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CONTENTS. —No. 105. 

NOTES • — Unpublished Humorous and Satirical Papers of 
Archbisliop Laud, 1 — A State-Paper Rectified, 5 — A Law 
Pastoral, 6 — Particulars regarding Sir AYalter Raleiirh 7 
— Fashionable Quarters of London, 8— Rye-House Plot 
Oards, 9 — The Lapwing: Witchcraft — John Rowo, Ser- 
jeant-at-Law — Charles Lloyd — Cambridge Tradesmen m 

1635 — Robespien-e's Remains, 10. 

QUERIES: — Old Latin Aristotle — John Barcroft — Ceno- 
taph to the 79th Re^riment at Clifton — William Chaignoau 
—Eleanor d'Olbreuse — Hyoscyamus — Laurel ^^ atcr — 
Lewis Morris— The Prince Consort's Motto — Richard 
Salveyne — Swinburne —Captain Yorke, 11. 

Queries witu ANSATEKSr — Pholey— Lines addressed to 
Charles L — Crest of Apothecaries' Company — Frumen- 
turn: Siligo — John Burton — James IL and the Preten- 
der — New Translation of the Bible, by John Bellamy, 
ch-ca 1818, 12. 

REPLIES : — Exhibition of Sign-Boards, U — ''Est Rosa 
Flos Veneris," 15—Rcv. P. Rosenhagen, 16-ColUns, Autho r 
of '* To-morrow," 17 — John Hawkins — Rev. F. S. Pope — 
Mrs. Cokayne — John Donne. LL.D. — Scottish — Execu- 
tion for Witchcraft — Mutilation of Sepulchral Monu- 
ments—Longevity of Clergymen- Ehret, Flower Pain- 
ter: Barberini Vase — Rev. Thomas Craig— Dr. David 
Lament —Baptismal Names — Tydidcs — Capnobata) — 
Joseph Washinirton — Ilandasyde — Early :\Iarriages — 
Revalcnta — Paper-Makers' Trade Marks — Christian 
Names — As Mad as a II?.ttei\ 20. 

Notes on Books, &c. 

going a step Airtlier in tlie same direction, to lay 
before you evidence that there really was within 
that cold harsh nian — for such in his ''full-blown 




^ " he exhibited himself to the world 
power of appreciatnig and applying wit and wag- 
gery for which, without this evidence, scarcely 
anyone, I think, would give him credit. 

But I must premise a few words of explanation. 
In 1613 the future Archbishop was, in his fortieth 
year. President of St. John's, Oxford, a Doctor 
of Divinity, and a lloyal Chaplain. In that same 
year a most absiiid ^'sedition,'' as it is termed 
by Antony ^ Wood, was raised in the University. 
Some of the youngsters, headed by one Henry 
V/iilhtwick of Gloucester Hall, deemed the di^r- 
nity of the Convocation House diniinibhed by the 
circumstance that the Vice-Chancellor and Doc- 
tors were in the habit of sitting in their assemblies 
bare-headed. There have been many foolish re- 
bellions ; but surely, if we knov/ the truth about 
this matter, no one v/as ever more silly than thig. 
Like many other hare-brained things, however, 
it found patronage among men of higher standing 
than those with whom it originated; and, thus 
supported, Avhat appears to have been a mere 
cljildish outbreak divided and excited the whole 



must sur)pose that, somehow 
or other, it linked itself to party difffrences 
of a In'iihcr character. Dons as well as uniler- 
graduates were, for "several years, kept in hot- 
WMter by this contemptible dispute. Some of the 
leaders of the dissentients even w^ent the length 


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Few people wonld look for humour hi anything 
said or written by Archbishop Laud. lie, wliose 
'^ hasty sharp way of speaking'' is commemorated 

occasioned considerable trouble once before— that 
of secession from Oxford, and the erection of a 
new colleac at Stamford. 

Occupying an eminent station in the University, 
Laud could scarcely have avoided taking some 
share in the dispute ; and we know that he wae not 
a man to do anything otherwise than energetically. 
AVhatever he did or said, we may be sure that on 
such an occasion he took the side of authority ; 
but we have no information on the subject, until 
the proposal w^as made to dismember the Univer- 


Aroused by a suggestion, which was cither 

absurd or of Aveighty moment, he d»jterniined to 
crush it at once by overwhelming it with ridicule. 
The stories of the iblly of the Gothamites, 
which v/ere then familiar to everybody, gave 
him a foundation to build upon. He conceiveu' the 

by Clarendon, who said of himself that he had design of publishing a burlesque account of the 
"no leisure for compliments/' and whose voice contemplated foumiation at Stamford, under the 

and nianner in speaking were such that they who 
heard and saw him always supposed that he was 
angry — such a man seems very unlikely to have 
been gifted with the slightest predisposition for 
drollery. Yet I had occasion, some time ago, to 
point out that, in his letters to his friends, there 
existed traces of a heavy but kindly pleasantry, of 
which I quoted several examples. I Lave now, 

(or, as he spelt it, Gotam^) 

Icfi^e, introducing into its imaginary regulations 

such G 

recollections as could be made 

applicable, with such other strokes of humour as 
could be brought to bear upon the contemplated 
design, in the way of quizzing and contempt. 

I know) 





any documents rcspectinn: it printed in the edi- 
?" n of bis Works published in the Library of 
AnMo-Catholic Theolo-y ; but there exist, among 
^ - the Public Kecord Ofhce, 

the° State Papers in ._- 

placed at the ind of the year 1613 yaricms papers 
mostly in Laud's handwritinor, ,vhich clearly in- 
dicate the nature of his contemplated publication 
None of tiiem are probably quite finished; but 
all are, more or less, advanced towards comple- 
tion. Why the intended pamj)hlet, or whatever 
it was to have been, was lai<l aside, does not a[)- 
pear. The Gothamite scheme may have died 
away, and it was not deemed advisable to stir its 
docayinfr embers ; or Laud's execution of jus de- 
sipn,' after much touching and retouching (of 
which the i)apers before ns ])resent ample evi- 
dence), may not have jdoased him. These manu- 

mere wrecks and rums 


scripts remain 

there is enough in them to indicate clearly the 
author's purpose, and to demonstrate, unless I 
very much mistake their character, that he pos- \ 
sessed no mean power of making s])ort. He denlt i 
with tlie subject before him in his naturally sharp, 
but also in a frolicsome and witty manner. 

The first of these papers— an "Epistle to the 
Pveader," desifrned as a preface to the intended 


seems to be all but conijilete. I shall give 

■ 1 T. "Ill /• T 

it you as it stands. It "will be Ibund to be quaint 
and ol l-iasliioncd, but not ^vilhout touches of 
cflective ploasaiitry. 

'* To THK Reader. 

•' Come, Pieador, let's be nierry ! I have a tale to tell : 
I AvoiiUl it were Morth the hearinp;, hut take it as it is. 
There's a great complaint made against this ag<s that no 
good works are done in it. Sine I hear Slander hath a 
tongue, and it is a woman's bird never born mute.* For 
not long since (besides many other things of worth) there 
was built in the air a verv famous college, the Seminauy 
OF Innocknts, commonly called in the mother tongue of 
that place, Gotam College. T do not think, in these 
latter freezing age?*, there hath been a work done of 
greater either profit or magnificence. The founder got 
up into a tree (and borrowed a rook's nest for his cushion) 
to see the plot of the building, and the foundation laid. He 
resolvtd to build it in the air to save charges, because 
castles are built there of lighter materials. It is not to 
be spoken how much lie saved in the very carriage of 
timber and stone by this politic device, which I do not 
doubt but founders in other place< will imitate. Yet he 
would not have it raided too high in the air, lest his Col- 
legians, which were to be heavy and earthy, should not 
ffet into it; and it is against all good building to need a 
adder at the gate. The end of this building was as 
charitable, as the ordering of it prudent ; for whereas there 
are many places in all commonwealths provided for the 
lame, and the sick, and the blind, and the poor of all 
sorts, there is none anywhere erected for innocents. This 
founder alone may glory that he is the first, and may 
prove the only patron of Fools. lie was ever of opinion 
that, upon the first finishing of his College, it would have 
more company in it than any one College in any Univer- 
sity in Europe. Such height would be waited upon by 

malice. Therefore he resolved to build it in no Univer- 
sity but very near one famous one. Not in an}', for 
such a place'cannot bear their folly; not far off, for no 
other i)lace so liable to discover and publish their worth. 
I could tell you much more, but it is not good manners hi 
the Enistle to prevent the tract. If you will not take 
the pains to walk about this College, you shall be ignor- 
ant of their building. If not to read their orders and 
statutes, you shall imt know their privileges. If not to 
be acquainted with some of the students, you shall be a 
stranger iu all places, and not well acquainted in your 
own country. One counsel let me give you: whenever 
you visit the place, stay not long in it;* for the air is 
bad, and all the studenfs very rheumatic. 1 have heard 
that Ladv Prudence Wisdom went but once (then she 
w^as masked and muffled, and yet she escaped not the 
toothache.) to sec it since it was built, and myself heard 
her swear she would never come within the gates again. 
You think the Autlior of this Work (who fi>r the founder's 
honour, and the students' virtues, hath taken on him to 
map out this building) must depart from the truth of the 
history. Reader, it needs not. For there is more to be 
said of these men, in truth and story, than any pen can 
set out to the world. His i)en is weak, and mine too; 
but who cannot defend Innocents ? Farewell. The founder 
laughed heartily v/hen he built the College : if thou canst 
laugh at nothing in it, borrow a spleen. You know I 
dwell a little tou^iear the College that I am so skilful in 
it, and have idle time to spend about it. But it's no 
matter. What if I w^ere chosen Fellow of the house? 
As the world goes, I had rather be rich at Gotham than 
poor in a better place. You know where I dAvell. Come 
to see me at any time wdien it is safe, that the Earsf of 
the College hang not over me, and I will show you as 
many Fellows of tliis Society highly preferred as of any 
other, 1 know you long to hear ; but you shall come to 
my house for it,*'as near'the College as*^it stands. There 
yo\i shall find me at my devotion for Benefactors to this 
worthy foundation." 



; ''Epistle to the Reader" is followed by a 
variety of rough noles, scattered over seventeen 
leaves, many of Avhich contain only a sentence 
or t^vo. They were apparently intended to be 
worked up into the designed work. 

"We next have a Latin Charter of Liberties, 
supposed to have been granted to the College by 
the En:iperor of jMorea. There are among the 
papers two drafts of this charter. In one, the 
En)peror's name is given as Midas. They are 
both framed as if granted to the founder, who was 
at first designated as *' Thomas AVhite, miles,'' but 
the ''White" was subsequently struck out. Why 
the name of Sir Thomas White, the founder of 
Reading School, where Laud was educated, and 
of his beloved College of St, John's, was thus In- 
troduced, I am unable to explain. 

The draft of a Foundation Charter of the 

College then follows. It runs in the name of 

" Thomas a Cuniculis, miles auritus, patriae Mo- 
reanus.^' * 


We next have two copies, but with many varl- 
tions between them, of a paper entitled *^The 
Foundation of Gotam College." This was "the 
author's principal efibrt. In his account of the 

Anima prudtns in sicco. 


3'd S. V. Jax. 2, '64.] 



rules and regulations of the college, he pours out 
his store of Gothamite recollections, with such 
fresh wit ns he could make to tell against the 
chief members of the party to whom he was 
opposed. It is difficult occasionally to identify 
the persons alluded to, but many of them will be 
easily recognised. The two brothers, Dr. Samp- 
son and IJr. Daniel Price, together with Dr. 
Thomas James, the author of Bellum Papule^ were 
clearly loaders in the suggestion which excited 
Laud's dislike. Upon them the vials of his wrath 
were consequently poured. All three were strong 

anti'Romiinists, Antony Wood tells us that Dr. 
Sampson Price was so distinguished in that re- 
spect, that he acquired the name of *' 'The Mawl 
of Heretics/ meaning pnpisls;" antl that, both he 
and his brother, were regarded with especial <lii:- 
llke at Douay. Both brothers were royal chap- 
lains and popular preachers, and of the same way 
of thinking, — that way being in most respects 
nearly as far removed from Laud's way, as could 
co-exist within the p:de of the Church oi' England. 
Dr. Thomas James, the well-known iiodley libra- 
rian, was a man of precisely the same anti-Ro- 
mani:<t views as the Prices, but probably of f;ir 
greater learnino: than either of them. All these 
had no doubt, like other men, their vanities and 
peculiarities ; and it is upon these foibles tliat 
Laud seizes and applies them to the purposes of 
his ridicule. Thus, we learn that James was 
highly pleased with his dignity of Justice of 
Peace, whence Laud styles him Mr. Justice 
James, and appoints him library keeper of the 
new college. AVe learn also, that Dr. Sampson 
Price enjoyed his nap at the sermons in St. Mary's, 
and that Dr. Daniel was fond of an anchovy toast, 
and had a general liking (in which respect he was 
probably not singular, either at Oxford or cdse- 
where,) for a good dinner. xVll these points come 

one or two omissions, from one of the two manu- 
scripts, adding here and there passages derived 
from the other. 

^*Thk Foundatiox of Gotam College. 

" The founder (being the Duke of Morea*) made suit 
and obtained leave for this foundation, that it might be 
erected, anno 1613. The reasons of his suit were: — 

" 1, Because, in the midst of so many good works as 
had been done for the bringing up of men in learning, 
there had been none taken in special for the Gotamists. 

" 2. Because every College in the University had some 
or other of them in it, which were fitter to be elected 
and chosen out to live together in this new foundation. 

out in the following paper ; which I print, witl 

" 3. Because it is unfit that, in a well-governed com- 
monwealth, such a great company of deserving men, or 

* This is not consistent with the foundation charter 
notice*! before, and is an evidence that the author's 
design was still unsettled. In the margin is written, 
"Sir Thomas Cuninsb}', con-founder." This is evi- 
dently the •* Thomas ^ Cuniculis," mentioned in the 
foundation charter. 

youth full of hope as those are (for stultorum plena sunt 
omnia)y should want places of preferment or education. 

" Maintenance. — Their mortmain is to hold as much as 
will be given them, without any stint; which favour is 
granted them in regard of their number (being the great- 
est foundation in Christendom), and at the instant re- 
quest of the honourable patroness the Lady Fortuna favet : 
provided always, that they hold no part of this their land, 
or aught else, in cap'de^ but as much as they will in 
Knight's service, so they lit their cap and their 

" Sociorum numerus. — The number of Fellows may not 
be under 500, and 200 probationers (if so many may be 
found tit) ; which it shall be lawful to choose out of any 
College in Oxford : Provided that Avhen, if ever, there is 
any eminent man found in the other University of Cam- 
bridge, or any other, it shall be lawful for them, which 
after the founder shall be put in trust with tlie election, 

to admit them in veros et perpduos socios. 




riiere is leave ii-rante-l tliev mav re- 

The statutes are appointed to be penned in brj*.'f, for 
the help of their memory, wdiich yet is better than ihe 
wit of anj' of the Fellowships. [^3Iemoran(hnn. In making 
of a speccli, tliey must not stop at any time, but when 
their breath fuls.J 
move ' Cuckoo bush,' and set it in some part of the Col- 
lege garden : and that in remembrance of their famous 
predecessors they shall breed a Cuckoo every year, and 
keep him in a pound till he be hoarse; and then, in mid- 
summer moon, deliver him to the bush and let him at 


" Uecause few of these men have wit enough to grieve, 
they shall have * Gaud\'es ' * every holyday and every 
Thursday through the year; and their *Gaudyes' shall 
be served up in woodcocks, gulls, curs, pouts, geese, gan- 
d( rs, and all such other fowl, wdiich shall be brought at a 
certain rate in ass-loads to furnish the College. But on 
other clays which are not ' Gaudves,' thev shall have all 
their commons in calf's head and bacon, f and, there- 
fore, to this purpose all the beef, mutton, and veal, shall 
be cut out bv their butcher into calves' heads; and on 
fish" days conger, cod's head, or drowned eel, with a piece 
of cheese after it — of the same dairy with that cheese 
which their wise predecessors rolled down the hill, to 
ViO to market before them. 

" Broths, caudles, pottage, and all such settle- brain, 

absolutely forbidden. Ail other meats to be eaten assa. 

^* Fasts, — They are to fast upon Snpientia. The 
solemn day of their foundation, Innocent's day. [Another 
solemn feast day to be renewed, St. Dunstan's.] 

Gotam annexed to the headship, 
other benefices belonging to the Fellows are Bloxam, 
Duns-tu, Dunstable, tSt. Dunstan's (East, West), Totte- 
ridge, Aleton, Battlebridge, Gidding (Magna, Parva), the 
prebend of Layton Buzzard, Little Brainford, Little Wit- 
nam (Mr. Dunns being patron of Little Witnam, gave it 
to a good scholar), a petition being made by the College 
that Witnam, and all that Mr. Dunns had in his gift, 
should belong to the College. {^Addtd in the margin : 

Cookeham (Magna, Parva), Steeple Bumstead, Uggly, 

St. Asaphs.] 

" An Act of Parliament held for them. 

" The College to be furnished with all munition save 
head-pieces. None of the generations of Wisemen, Wise- 
dom, or Wise, eligible into thehouf^e, for the disgrace their 

The book of Wis- 

" Benefices, 


predecessors have done to the College. 

dom to be left out of their Bibles. To abjure Pytliagoras, 

Tacitus, Tranquillus, and Prudentius. 


^^ Nepenthe potus.^' A fool at second coiirse. 
Mustard with everything to purge the head. 

f It being lawful for them, as well as the town^s-hoys, io 
eat bread and butter in the streets. 



[3'<i S. V. Jan. 2, '6i. 

« There arc three quadrangles: the north <^or Gota- 
mistl tl e Youth for those that wouUl be knaves if they 
wt'it eLuch- the middlemost for such as are %«»n. 
An onlwaTd q'nadnxngle also, at both .hose entrances is 

in mu' 

P'lfiooA..- Hooks given to the library*: 

Ctudities; Dr. Dan. Price's 



Ittfera; Just! 

Festivnx Vitulus 

« Causce deserendi Collegium. - Experience to be ex- 
pelled S? fear of corrupting the company and yet m 
some cases to be admitted, for Experientta stultoru 

^""'"'""iirnoramus ' to be played every year that they may 
be perfect, and on their election day a mock play. 
" No pictm-es but * We three.' . 

" ^^i sapientior fiat ipso facto amovcatur, nonsi doctior, 

because the greatest clerks are not always the wisest 

" 1] 

■Will. Sommor.s, Charles Chest-r, Tatcli, 

tus , 

iVorert.i§"Grunii""[Grunnii] Cor'ocotta3 Forcdll . 
/.,mp«/«,/ f '^ P'i'^er; TcMterbcUy; Howes' Uvomc; 
^sputcthmes Pua-Uc.; a children's dictionary; Seneca, 

manuscript. ^ ^ 

« Wlicii they koop their Act, Dr. James to answer in 

Divinity. . . r ^ i ^^ 

" The DUten/. — D\\ Sli. benic: out of office, aiifl so 

parted with his custom, drew a pillow. Dr. Dan. Price, 
'anchovies' ^uid could not dr.w anything but victual. 

" ^talutea 'in gnV—lU that dies, if he have not a son 
worthy to succeed him, must leave one of the Fellows 

ha-edtm ex Oi^se. 

** Bet.cfactor.^, ,- ,. . r,. n 

"liul.le,'"^ ike, Fortnna praripnc. \_]}lnr(jin. loni Cop- 
per of Okin::ham.^i] 

'^ The Cullc'^'-e n^'ver to bo overthrown, because the 
•A-orld cannot "stand without such a foundation. There- 
fore these willin,:^- to iriii<le, ^'C. 

*■' Ex*rci^. 5cA'o/.— Disputations Deammact infelHijentus 
forbidilcn. An do scnsn ct scnsaio? They nuist maintain 
a vacuum. The diversity of moons in divers place?, with 

the clieesy substance of it. 

** For geography, Sir John ]\Iandeville's Travels; and 

the South Indies. 

" Exercises.— 'r\\ey may play at no game at cards but 
Noddy and Lodam. NoChristmas pastime but blindman- 
bafT, push-pin, and blow-point; no race, but the wild 
goo^e race; no walking in the summer, but to look [for] 
birds' nests — especially the cuckoo. 

*• ^/Y^^aW.— Wear no gloves but calfs skin, yes, and 
goose skin ; no breeches but motley, and are therefore to 
have all old clonk-bags given them to help the poorer sort : 
and tliese to be kept in their wardrobe till time serve: 
they are to pluck off their fur from their gown, that they 
may prove true men. A feather in their cap, — they 
cannot be too liglit-hcaded. 

^^ Lands. — They nnist hold nothing in capite^ but as 
much as they will in .socage, and nothing in fee tail but 
fee simple. 

" Probationers, — None admitted till past twenty-four, 
lest he prove wiser, and so be cut off from the hope of the 

" He may be chosen, be he never so old, if he be able 
to show himself jMre/iM moribusy et sic inidoneus auditor. 

^^^Mf he be honest and constant expelletur, lie is not un- 
settled enough, &c. . . , 

" Tho^ Muriel * chosen, because, being senior proctor 
of Cambridge, the University refused him to be the 
fatherof the Act; a thing not known before, and given 

him for his worth. ^^f 

" Morlv chosen for a most famous sermon made at bt. 
J^Iarv's in Oxon, upon which both head and fellows took 
suclfa liking to him that there was [a] particular statute 
for him, that he should not be expelled whatever he 
committed, but still be thought worthy of his p.ace 

" Traveller's place.— Cory •aVs successors: if he have a- 
child eli^nble, they are bound to elect him. No man may 
travel but in the Ship of Fools, never coming near the 
Cape Bona? Spei, and their travel must be most toward 
^Gotsland': Fooliami the fat ; Morea. .^ . ,i 

" The head to be married and to keepe his wite in the 
College, that the children may be right-bred. 

" He must give over his house thatacceptsof any other 
benelicG but those that are in the College gift; but with 
anv of them he may keep his house as long as he will. 

must roast their own eggs, but their fuel to- 

• Many of the books and authors here mentioned are 
v;ell known — those I have not thought it necessary to 
note. Some few I do not know. 

t Wood notices Prince Henry^ his First Anniversary^ 

1(j13, 4to, as written by Dr. Daniel Price. He also 
preached Prince Henry^s funeral sermon. 

X Josias Bird published Lovers Peerless Paragon, a 
sermon on Cant. ii. 10, in 1613. He M-as chaplain to 
Alice, Countess of Derb}'. See Wood's Fasti, i. 334. 

§ Perhaps the Commentary of Cartwright, the Puritan, 
on the Book of Proverbs. 
Howes^s Chronicle. 

Who were these? 



be borrowed out of the town. ^^ ^n^ i r^ ^^ 

Tiie Dunces, Half-heads, Calfes, 

*■' Founders* kinsmen. 
Medcalfes, Woodcocks, Blocks, 




'' Election, — 'UxQh election to be at ^ Cookoe' t time 
more formallv, but at all times else extra ordinem, be- 
cause of the number of those who continually AViU be pro- 
vided for the place. 

" Pictures to be set vp in their quadrangles.— ^i^^civria 
Assentatio, Oblivio, MitroTrovia, Voluptas, Amentia, De- 
litise; Duo cZu— Kw/tos, Deus comissationis, Ni^YperoV 
vTvpoSj Dulcis somnus. 

Among other 


notes intended for inser- 
tion in their proper places in the complete work 
occur the following : 

<• Whereas there hath been a i^oolish and sophistical 
book intituled An Homo sit Asi7iu^, which maketh a doubt 
of that question, and lastly resolves negatively : that 
hereupon there may be a college which shall not by such 
quaint and sophisticate quiddities, but by most gross and 
sensible realities, prove the whole tract to be false. 

" No physicians, for physicians are no fools. 

**No other tongue to be spoken than their mother 
tongue, lest they should forget that to which they were 

born, and7ze affectare videantur exotica. 

" No division of texts in sermons, because no division 
must be in the Church. 
" St. Necdes [Neots?],ifitAverc not for their patroness, 

Fortune, had all dwelt there. 

"Asses to be kept against the consumption of their- 

wit. ^ 

" Young Mr. Linkes to be schoolmaster to and of the^, 

seminaria of the College. . ^^ ^ 

Of Pembroke Hall, proctor in 1611. 
+ Originally written ** at Midsummer 

S^^^ S. V. Jax. 2, '64.-] 



** Paul Clapham, another of the seminary schoolmasters. 

" They have this privilege of nature newly bestowed, 
that their old men shall not be even bis pueri, if they 
make a good choice at tirst. 

** Tell the holes of a sieve on both sides. 

" Excluduntur medicL Ist. Quiuy a fool or a physician. 
2nd. Less he shouM cure the rest. 3rd. Lest any man 
that is sick should borrow a physician hence and be 

^^ Domimts Thomas LecUis, colkgii con -founder, et oh 
hoc predarum opus jam nuperrhnehonore militis assignatns. 

"The schoolmen foresaw this worthy foundation should 
be ; otherwise they had never distinguished of 

f IntellectualiSy 

i ^v J SeyisitiviiSy 

JLppetitus < jYaiunilis, which no where 

(, else is to be found. 
" They must swoar by nothing but ' By this Cockoe,' 
or 'By the swine tha't taught Minerva;' ' Jnro per 


*• This title, ' Octavus SapierMim' annexed to the 


There are many other similar random jottings 
which I must leave, at any event for the present, 


them that which some people may 
esteem ihcTmost curious thing of the whole, — the 
outline of perhaps an intended Latin play upoii 
the same subject. It is divided into what would 
have been acts or scenes, and the first of them 
runs thus : 

" Ingrediuntur, Dr. Sampsonus, Dr. Danielus, Albecus. 
Equinus, colloquentes de Oxonia relinquemla et Stan- 
fordise erigendo collegio suis ingeniis niagis digno. 
hujus secessionis enarrant, prsepropere faciendum. Dr. 
Dan. et Albeeus statuunt statim Stanfordiam iter facere, 
et ibi situni commodissimum designare. Interea Equinus 
recipit se apud Vilpolum rhetorem insignem acturum ut 
literas suasorias ad Dominum Lectum det, qua) istos ad 
hoc collegium junctis sumptibus tedificandum eiEcaciter 
hortantur. Exeunt." 

I shall feel obliged by yoi;r correspondents 
directing me to any sources of information re- 
specting the subject to which these curious papers 
relate. On many grounds they seem to me to 
have nn interest. Unless your readers think so 
too, I fear they will consider that I have trespassed 

very unreasonably upon your pages. 

John Bruce. 

5, Upper Gloucester Street, Dorset Square. 


In the Miscellaneous state papers which were 
edited by the second carl of Hardwicke in 1778, 
in two quarto volumes, we have various specimens 
of the correspondence of James Land the favorite 
Buckingham. I shall not presume to characterise 
the letters on either side, unexampled as they are 
in some particulars, the interpretation of an ob- 
scure phrase in one of the letters, assigned to the 
year 1624, being the main object of this note. The 
extract which follows, modernised by the noble 
editor, contains the phrase in question : 

" Duke of Buckingham to king James, 

Dear dad and gossip, 

lu one of your letters you have commanded me to 

write shortlv, and merrilv. ♦ * * This inclosed -will five 
you an account of the Dunkirker's ships. By this l;ttlc 
paper you -will understand a suit of fine Hollands. By 
the other parchment, a suit of my Lord President's. Of 
all do but Avhat you please, so you give me your blessing, 
which 1 must never be denied, since I can never be othe 

Your Majesty's most humble slave and dog, 


Now, what are we to understand by a suit of 
fine Hollands? No doubt the manuscript has 
been mis- read, and we nui^t have recourse to 
another text. 

In 1834 a small volume entllled Letters of the 
duke and duchess of Buckingham made its appear- 

It contains the above-de- 
scribed letter printed from the Balfour papers 
LiTEUATiM, and the extract must therefore be 
repeated : 

ance at Edinburgh. 


**Deredad and gossope, 

In one of vour letters vou have commanded me to 
riii'ht shortlie and merelie, * * * This inclosed will <j:ive 
you an account of the Dunkerkers ships; by this little 
paper you will understand a side of hue JIol/a7id\sy by this 
other parchment a sute of my Lord Presidents; of all doe 
but what you please, so you give me your blessing, which 
I must never be denied, since I can never be other than 

Your Maty, most Immble slave and doge, 


I have forgotten to write mylegable hand in this letter, 

foririve me. 


The editor adds this note to the mysterious 


''Hardwicke makes this a suit of fine 

Hollands'' But the critic loaves it, with regard to 
the majority of readers, almost o.s much a mys- 
tery as before ! I must act the commentator. 
The form of the small h was sometimes used as a 
capital. A fac-simile of the signature of sir Henry 
Wotton appears thus, henry Walton — so hue means 

Vie now advance to 1846. The same letter 
was edited in that year by Mr. Halliwell. For 
hue Holhmd he substitutes Ilu^h Holland, and 

adds this note — '^This is, of course, a petition of 
a person of the name of Hugh Holland.'' 

The accumulation of materials on the life and 
writings of Shakspere, the splendor of the volumes 
in which those materials are embodied, and the 
recent patriotic proceedings at Stratford-upon- 
Avon, have obtained for Mr. Halliwell a very 
eminent position, but I cannot conceal the sur- 
prise which I felt on observing that he had fulled 
to recognise, in a person of the name of Hugh 
Holland^ the pupil of Camden— the friend of Ben. 
Jonson — the eulogist of Sliakspere ! 

The best account of Hugh Holland is given by 
Fuller in his Worthies of England, 1662. (Wales, 
p. 16.) — but it is devoid of dates. The Cypres 
garland of Holland, 1625, 4^ also contains many 



[3»d S. V. Jan. 2, '64 

particulars of bis career. Besules that poem, and 
ioine fugitive verses, he left three works in n ya- 
nuscnpt,-!. A metrical description of the chief 
cides If Europe ; 2. A chronicle of the reign of 
O Elizabeth; 3. A memoir of Camden, i he duke 
of Buckingham was his patron, and his services 
are thus recorded : 

« Tlicn vou great 1 >r.1, that were to me so gr.icious, 
In twentv weeks (a time not very spacious) 
To cause" mc tliricc to kiss (me thrice your debtor) 
That hand which bore tiie liily-bjaring sceptre.- 

It is verv probable that our non -poetical ])oet 
presented one of t!;e three manuscripts on each of 
those occa.-^i(m^. Alas! neither the praise of Cam- 

the marginal summary 
consecutive pages (1 
writing of prisoner, nc 
dence of forgery 

Take two examples from 


" The hand- 
facie evi- 

Encfland." I could not 

evidence of stealing m ^..^ 
explain wliat follows more briefly. Tha Eclogue 
is by the late John Loycester Adolphus,^ whose 
reputation is still too fresli to need revival by 
me. The best part of the wit will be understood 
by lawyers only, and the Common Law Procedure 
Act is' making much of it obsolete. _ The next 
generation will know no more about it than the 
present does of attornments; but I think you 
have enouirh of us 

among your readers to ex- 


The Transactions of the; Northern Circuit are 
said to be recorded in a book accessible to mem- 

bern of tlie circuit only, nnd to them under tli 
understood protection of '• private and confiden- 
tial/' So llie Northern Circviit keeps to itself a 
large amount of very good wit till it becomes 
moiddy — a word wliicli may be ap])lied to jokes 
when the circumstances vinder wldch they were 
made are forgotten. Should some modern Cneius 
Flavius treat this book as the Koman did that of 
Appius Claudius, he will serve the public; but I 
wish it to be understood that I have not seen 
the sacred volume, or obtained an extract b> 

den nor'the friend^hi[) of Ben. Jonson, nor the case the insertion of a piece which I know Lord 

patrono'^i* of Buckingham, availed. He did not Macaulay thought the best imitation he ever read, 

obtain Vhe favor which he solicited ; an 1, as Fuller Persons are mentioned of whom I know nothing, 

expresses it, he ^^ grumbled out the rest of his life If anything interesting is known about them, a 

in visible discont'entment;' lie died at West- statement of it will be acceptable. I believe all 

minster in 1G3:3, and letters of administration, of but one are dead. I leave a blank for his name^ 

which an attestel copy is In my possession, were though I am sure he would relish the joke even 

granted to his son, Arhdllnus^ on the 31 August. more than the char, 


The Terrace, Barnes, S.^\ . _^ ^ , ^ ^,^. ^ rr. o . 

Scene : The Banks of Wiadermere. — 1 IME : bunset. 


Addison, How sweet, fair Windermere, thy vraveless 

coast ! 
'Tis like a goodly issue well engrossed. 

Lewuu ilow sweet the harmony of earth and sky ! 
'Tis like a well-concocted alibi, 

A. Pleas of the crown are coarse, and spoil one's tact, 
Barren of fees, and savouring of fact. 

L. Your p'eas are cobwebs, narrower or wider. 
That sometimes catch the fly, sometimes the spider. 

A. Come let us rest beside this prattling burn, 
And sing of our respective trades in turn. 

L. Agreed : our song shall pierce the azure vault; 
For Meade's case shows, or my report's in fault, 
That singing can't be reckoned an assault.* 

A. ^Yho shall begin? 

L, That precious right, my friend, 

I freely yield, nor care how late I end. 

A. Vast is the pleader's raj>ture "when he sees 
The classical endorsement, " Please dra^Y Pleas." 

L. Dear are the words — 1 ne'er could read them 


" We have no case ; but cross-examine rigidly." 

A. Blackhurst is cov, but sometimes has been known 
To strike out " Hoggins" and write " Addison." 

L. Me Jackson ofc deludes, on me he rolls, 
Fiendlike, his eye, then chucks the brief to Knowles. 

A. Thoughts much too deep for tears pervade 
When I assumpsit bring, and, godlike, wave the tort. 

L. When witnesses, like swarms of summer flies, 
I call to character and none replies; 
Dark Attride gives a grunt ; the gentle bailiff sighs. 

A. A pleading, fashioned of the moon's pale shine, 
I love, that makes a youngster new-assign. 

L, I love to put a farmer in a funk, 
And make the galleries believe he's drunk. 

A. Answer, and you my oracle shall be, 
How a sham differs from a real plea. 

treachery, llie poem which I offer was repeated 
to me by one remarkable for the accuracy of his 
memory; aiul by putting down what I remem- 
bered then, and hearing scraps quoted by others, 
I think I can give a satisfactory copy. 

About thirty years ago, Joseph Addison joined 
the Korthern Circuit. Sir Gregory Lewin had 
been on it some years. Addison had been a pleader 

under the bar : he was a first-rate lawyer, a good 
scholar, a!)<l 


a thorough gentleman. 



neither p.daulic nor obtrusive, but he loved to 
talk law to those who could appreciate it. Sii 




1 believe till he died. In 1834 he pablished A 
Report of Cases (letermincd on the Crown Side of 
the Northern Circuit,~a, marvellous work, well 
^ - - jur's perusal. He took a clumsj note 

tJf the cases, and hnd n Bfrmwr.. cK,lr. :„ «,_:*: 


" No words or singing are equivalent to an ftSsauTt.'* 
Meade's and Belt's case, Lewin, Cro. Ca. 184. 





3rdS. Y. Ja^v2, '64.] 



i. Tell me the difference first — 'tis thought immense, 
Between a naked lie, and false pretence. 
Now let us gifts exchange, a timely gift 
Is often found no despicable thrift. 

A. Take these, well worthy of the Roxburgh Club, 
Seven counts struck out in Gobble versus Grubb. 

L, Let this within thy pigeon-hoh s be packed, 
A choice conviction on the Bum-boat Act. 

A. I give this penknife case, since giving thrives, 
It holds ten knives, ten hafts, ten blades, ten other knives 

L. Take this bank-note, the gift Avon't be \ny ruin ; 
'Twas forged by Dale and Kirkwood, see 1st Lewin. 

A. Change tlie venire knight; your tones bewitch: 
But too much padding chokes, however rich. 
Enough's enough, and surplusage the rest, 
The sun no more gives colour to the west. 
And one by one tlie pleasure-boats forsake 
Yon land with water covered, called a lake. 

'Tis supper-time; the inn is somewhat far, 

Dense are the dews, though bright the evening star. 

And . . . might drop in and eat our' char." 

An Inner Templar. 





Thirty or more years ago, I began to make col- 
lections for a new "Life of Sir VV alter Kaleigh ; 
but the publication of Tytler's biogrophy, and 
another subsec^uently by Mr. Whitehead, induced 
me to forego my scheme. I find, however, among 
my scattered papers, a few that I think may, some 
time or other, be of use to those who are looking 
for, or arranging, additional materials ; and, as I 
do not know of a better depository for them than 
•' N. & Q.," I add two or three of them now : 
hereafter, if acceptable, I will transmit others for 
insertion. There are so many memoirs of Sir 
AValter, that it is possible I may include some 
particulars already printed; but, to begin, I do 

not believe that such is the case with the follow- 
ing information, derived from the original ac- 
counts of the Lieutenant of the Tower, at the 
time when Sir Walter Raleigh and his friend and 
coadjutor LaAvrence Key mis, or Kemys, were 
in custody early in the reign of James L Of 
course, this was only about the Uiiddle of Raleigh's 
Cftrcer ; but I do not profess to observe chrono- 
logical order in my contributions to his history, 
and those who at any future period may avail 
themselves of them will be able at once to deter- 
mine to what dates they belong, and what events 
they illustrate. The first account is thus headed : 

" The demaundes of Sir George Harvie, Knight, Lieut* 
of the Tower of London, for the diett and charges of 
Prisoners in his custodie for one whole quarter of a yeare, 
viz. from Michaelmas, 1G03, to Christmas following?' 

After a statement of the cliargc on accoilnt of 
" the late Lord Cobham, and the late Lord Graj," 
we arrive at this entry : — r r 

^^^^ i I . 

-♦ Kirk wood's case, Leivh^ Cro. Ca. 143. 

S^ Walter] Item for the diett and charges of S"" Wal- 
Raleigh, >ter Raleigh, Knight, for himself and two 
Knight. J servants, from the 16 Dec^, being then sent 

from Winchester to the Tower againe, for 
one weeke and a half ended the xxv^^ of 

December, att iiij*' the weeke - 

- VJH." 

" Lawrence^ Item for the diett and charges of Lawrence 
Kemishe, >Kemishe, Esquior, from the 29^^ Sept. 1C03, 

J untill the last of December, on which day 


he was discharged from the Tower, being 
li weekes and two dayes, at x> the weeke 

xxviiji^ xj8 viijd.'* 

Here we see the precise chaige made for Ra- 
leigh, and that he was attended by two servants ; 
but no servant is mentioned in the entry for 
Kemys, who we know was often examined and 
questioned as to his complicity with Sir Walter 
and his friends, in the plot for which they were 
tried at AVinchester. The next account relates 
to the Fleet Prison, to which it should seem both 
Raleigh and Kemys had been removed : it is from 
Christmas, 1603, to the fca>t of the Annunciation, 
1G04. It is in this form : 


Sir Walter") Item more for the diett and charges in 
Kaleigh, >the Eleete of Sir Walter Kaleigh, Knight, 



J and two servants, for two weekes and a 
halfe, at v^^ the weeke - - xij^i 


The charge, therefore, for Sir Walter was 
greater in the Fleet than it had been in the 
Tower: for Kemys, who accompanied him, It was 
the same as in the Tower, viz. : 


the diett and charges of 


" Lawrence 1^ Item 
Kemishe. j rence Kemishe, from 25 Dec^ 1G03, untill 

the last thereof, being one Aveeke at xl» the 
weeke -.*---. xl^" 

Here we see that no addition of Esquire was 
made to the name of Kemys while he was confined 
in the Fleet. It is to be presumed that he was 
discharged at the end of the week ; and we meet 
with no farther mention of him, on this authority, 

in either place of confinement. Of Kaleigh we 
next hear after his return to the Tower, in an 
account by the Lieutenant, from the feast of the 
Annunciation, 1604, to the feast of St. John the 
Baptist in the same year. The charge is for 
thirteen weeks; not at 4/. per week, as in the 
first instance, but at 5L per week, ns in the Fleet; 
and the total is 65L The latest account by the 
Lieutenant of the Tower, that I was able to pro- 
cure a siglit of, was down to June 24, 1605 ; when 
the charge of oL per week for Raleigh and his 
two servants was continued. 

I may mention by the way, and as a biogra- 
phical note of some interest, connected with the 
late of Henry Constable, author of the beai^itiful 
sonnets published in 1592 under the title of 
Diana^ that he was in the Tower for ten weeks in 
1604, between the feasts of the Annunciation and 
St. John ; and that the charge by tlie Lieutenant, 
for keeping «ind maintaining him, was 3Z. 

In the next account nothing is said of 





[S'-d S. V. Jan. 2, '64, 

love to my L. Thomas hathe wisht mee to it : but I will 
not indure wrong at so pevishe a foole's hand any 
longer. I will rather loose my life ; and I think that my 
L. puritan Periam doeth think that the Queen shall have 
more use of roggs and villayns then of mee, or els he 

him ; so that we may infer that he was no longer 

in custody there. 

Reverting to Ketnys, it may be farther stated, 
that there ""is extant from him, but never yet ^ _ , . - , • i. ^ . . 

rinted that lam aware of, a long letter to the ! would not att Byndon's instance have yielded to try ac- 

- - ' tions agaynst me, being out of the lande." 

The whole of the above is in the handwriting 
of Raleigh, as well as the following document, 
which may serve to explain what is said in the 
r.S. regarding Mieres. 

" Know all men that I S^' Walter Ralegh, Knight,. 
Capitaine of her ma'^'^s Gard, and Lord Warden of the 
Stanneries of Devon and Cornwall, doe hereby auctliorise 
Among my miscellaneous papers, connected with John Meere, my man, to take, cutt, and cary away, ov 
the lon'rlin<l friendly intercourse between Raleigli cause to be cutt downe, taken, and carj-ed awaye, all such 
and Lo"rd Cobham, tried toirether at Winchester, i manner of Trees, growinge in my manor of Sherborne or 

T 1 i. -,.1 n r II •" 1 v-«.^„ ^1,- >i> v^,o,.r, else wher within an}' other my manors, or lands, in the 

I iiuve met with the following etter, which bears , ,„„,,i,,,i, ^^ KhPrhninP. or Yedmv.ter in Hip, countvof 

the date only of " 12"' August, but in what pre- 
cise year I am unable at this moment to deler- 

K & Q 

ing the truth of'any allegations against him ; and 
bearing testimony to his long friendship for, and 
dependence upon, Sir Walter Raleigh. ^ Kemys, 
as is well known, afterwards destroyed himself on 
shipboard in a fit of grief and despondency at 
the unmerited anger of Raleigh, who had been 
his effectual patron. 

hundreds of Sherborne, or Yedmyster in the county o£ 
Dorset, when he shall think convenient, to be employed 
to my necessarie use in my castell of Sherborne, as to 
hym 1 have gy ven dyrection : whom I have appointed as 

will be in a condition to supply the year from | well keper of the same castell, and to demand and keepe 
cu'cumstances mentioned in it. It is addressed 


" To the right honorable nn^ singular good Lorde, the • 
Lord Cobham, Lo. Warden of the five Ports," &c. 

" ^Iv worthy Lorde, — I am now arived, havino: stnvde 
£0 long as I had means. I caused the Antelope to be 
revitled for 14 dayes, wliich was as much as that phice 
could alTorde ; and that being spent, I durst not tariv to 
cum home towards winter in a fi.sherman. I presume 
there is no cause to doubt it: the castells are defensibell 
enough, the country reasonabell well provided, and the 
Spaniards will either do some what more prayse worthy, 
or attend a better opportunitye. I am reddy now^ to obey 
your commandments. If you will come to the Bathe, I 
will not faile yow, or ^vhat soever else your L. will use 
me in in this worlde, 

" I will now looke for the L. Henry of Northumber- 
lande, who, I tliink, Avill be here shortly, knowing my 
returne; and I doubt not but he wull meet us also att the 
Bathe, if your L. acquaynt hyme with the tvme. It is 
best, if your L. propose it, to take the end of this moueth 
att farthest. 

" I here that the Lord Chamberlayn is dead: if it be 
so, I hope that your L. may be stayde uppon good cause : 
if it be not so, I could more willingly cum eastw^ard then 
ever! did in my life. How so ever [it] be, they be but 
tlungs of the worlde, by which thos that have injoyed 
them have byne as littell happv as other poore men ; but 

the kayes of the same, as also to be overseer of all my 
woods and tymber within the sayd hundreds, that no 
spoyle be made therein ; or of any Fesaunts, or other 
game of the free warren whatsoever, within the same. 
Moreover I doe aucthorise him hereby to receave to my 
use all knowledge mone^', dew unto mee by my tenauntes- 
■within the sayd hundreds. In witnes where of I, the 
the sayd S^' Walter Ralegh, have here unto put my hand 
and scale the xxviij*'^ daye of Auguste in the xxxiiij*^^ 
yeare of the Raigne of our Soveraigne Lady Elizabeth, 
by the grace of God Queene of England, Fraunce, and. 
Ireland, defender of the Faythe, &c. W. Kalkgh." 

Out of this deed of 1586, no doubt, grew tLe 
lawsuit between Raleigh and Meere, which Jus- 
tice Periam Iiad heard during the absence of Sir 
Walter from England. J. Payne Collier. 



(late Norwich House) 


Queen Mary, for the town residence of the Arch- 
the good of these thingos wilbe, that while men are of "^^^^^ops 01 X ork, in lieu of their former palace 
necessity to draw lotts, they shall hereby see their seized by Henry VIII., it is doubtful whether he 
chanses, and dispose them selves accordinglv. I beseech or any of his successors ever inhabited it • for Sir 
your L. that I may here from yow: from hence 1 can Nicholas Bacon was residing in it, certainly a& 

early as the second year of Elizabeth's reif^n. He 

present yow with nothinge but my fast love and trew 
affection which shall never part from studying to honor 
yow till I be in the grave. ' 

«* Wemouth, the 12 of August. 
[P.S.] " My L. Vicount hath so exa 

" W. Ralegh. 

had previously resided in Noble Street, Foster 
Lane, Cheapside, in a house which he built. 

called Bacon House. 

nor any one else, could be hard for me to stay trialls 
while I was out of the land in her Majesties service, a 
right and curtesy afforded to every begj^er. I never 
busied mysealf with the Vicount, neather of his extor- 
liona or pmsonings of his wife, as it is here avowed and 
spoken. I have forborne hvn;c in respect of my L 
Thoma*, and chiefly because of Mr Secretory who in his 


nS^Tnl "Zl^TJ *^'Tf 'I as neather M-" Sergent Heale, next Lord Chancellor, Sir Thomas Bromley, there 
nor any one else, could be hard for me to stay trialls is no record .- b„f, \t ;. ,..f ; i.„i.i. iL. i,^ 

no record ; but it is not improbable that he 

of his successors did. 


Lord Chancellor Sir Christoi^her Hatton had a 
grant of the Bishop of Ely's house, in Holborn, 
long before he had possession of the Great Seal, 





3rd s. V. Jan. 2, 'G4.] 



he also bad a town liouse In Great Queen Street, 
Lincoln's Inn Fields, where he died. 

Sir Francis North, Lord Guilford, who was 
Lord Keeper to Charles II. and James II., resided 
when he was entrusted with the Great Seal in a 
great brick house, near Serjeants' Inn in Clian- 

Lane. His brother, in his entertaining 
biography of the Lord Keeper, intimates that he 
removed to some other house; but, as far as I 
recollect, omits to name where it was situate. 

The infjimous Chief Justice JcfTrejs, the last 
beth's next Lord Keeper; who resided in it till Chancellor of James II., heard causes in his house 

and continued to reside in it till his death. His 
name, and the bishop's title, are preserved in the 

streets built upon its site. 

Sir Christopher's successor, Sir John PCickering, 
who was only Lord Keeper, lived at first at Rus- 
sell House, near Ivy Bridge, in the Strand. He 
then removed to York House, under a lease from 
the archbi^jhop; which enabled his widow to keep 
possession for a year after his death. 

At the end of that year^ the archbishop granted 
a new lease to Sir Thomas Egerton, Queen Eliza- 


his death, in 1G17; 


been created Lord 

Chancellor by James L, and ennobled with the 
titles of Baron Ellesmere and Viscount Bracklev. 


Kinii^ James's second Chancellor, Lord Bacon, 

after residing for a short time in Dorset House, lution. 
Fleet Street, removed to York IIouse> the place 
of his birth ; which, soon after his disgrace, be- 
came the property of tlie Duke of Buckingham ; 
and within fifty years was converted into various 
streets and alleys, now, or lately, designated by 
the names and titles of that nobleman — George 
Street, Villiers Street, Duke Street, Of Alley, 
and Buckingham Street. 

in Duke Street, AVestminster. 

Lest I should fatigue your readers, and occupy 
too much of your space, I will stop here, and 
commence my next contribution with the Revo- 

Edward Eoss. 


I have met with a nearly perfect pack of play- 
ing-cards, ornamented with figures and inscrip- 
tions, all of which relate to the celebrated Rye- 
House riot. The cards are distinguished by the 
Sir Thomas Coventry, Lord Coventry, Lord mark of the suit, usually on the riglit-hand upper 
Keeper to Charles L, died in Durham House, in ' corner, but in some of the suit of Diamonds, and 
the Strand — now the site of the Adelphi. The I the ten of Spades, on the left-hand upper corner. 
Lord Keeper's country house was at Canonbury, 

I do not know the residences of King Charles's : words. Knave, Q 

The number in the suit is indicated by the 
Roman numerals, i , ii., &c., to x., and then by the 




s, ivnuve, v^ueen, ivuig. jLiie figiu'cs on 

tl»ese last court cards have no relation to their 
character as cards. Twelve cards are missin*r 

three remaining Lord Keepers — Sir John Finch 

Lord Finch of Fordwich ; Sir Edward Lyttelton, 

Lord Lyttelton of Mounslow ; and Sir Richard I namely, the Iv. and vii. of Hearts; the iii., vi., viii., 

Lane. Nor can I trace with any certainty the j and x. of Diamonds; the iii., iv.,ix., and King of 

London houses of the Commissioners of the Great 

Seal durinir the Commonwealth. 

The Earl of Clarendon, the first Lord Chan- 
cellor of Charles II. after the Restoration, resided 

Spades; and the i. and x. of Clubs. 

The figures upon the suit of Clubs are as fol- 
lows : 

i. MissiniX- 


at first in Dorset House, Fleet Street, before ' ii. Figure of a man resting on a walking-stick, 
mentioned as an early residence of Lord Bacon; ' and the inscription "AVest going downe to White- 
then at Worcester House in the Strand, the same halh" 
as Russell House, where Sir John Puckering had I iii. A man going to a door, with the inscription 

for some time resided as Lord Keeper in the I "Keeling gc»ing to the L*^ Dart.'' 
reign of Elizabeth ; and lastly, at the splendid 
mansion he built at the top of St. James's Street. 

iv, A man, wearing a hat and robed, sitting, 
and another man standinjr before him with his hat 

Sir Orlando Bridgeman, who succeeded the ' in his hand. Inscription, ^'Keeling examined by 
Earl, while he' held the Seal resided in Essex S^ L. lenkins/' 

House in the Strand — now the site of Essex v. A man, wearing a sword and hat, with words 
Street. from his mouth, '' I beg the King's mercy," bow- 

Anthony Ashley Cooper, Earl of Shaftesbury, ing to another man in an official dress. Inscrip- 
while he held the oflSce of Lord Chancellor, re- tlon, '^C. Rumsey delivering himselfc." 
sided in Exeter House in the Strand, wliere vi. Two men in oflicial robes, one of them 
Exeter Street and Burleigh Street now are. The w^caring a hat, standing at a table, examining 
Earl afterwards lived at Thanet House, in Alders- : another man, behind stands a guard. Inscription^ 

gate Street, where several of the nobility had *' Rumsey examined by the King and Councelh 


mansions in that reign. 

Sir Heneage Finch, Earl of Nottin;>ham, the 
next Chancellor, resided at Kensington in a man- 
sion which has since become a royal palace; but 



vii. A man in a hat writing at a table, the 
words from his mouth "I must discover all." In- 
scription, "West writinjr a letter to S' G. J/' 

a guard with a 

viii. One man, attended 




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javelin, arresting another man from behind, 
scription, " Lord Grey Apprehended." 

ix. Tlie Tower of London in the back ground. 
A man in a hat and flowing wig Landing from a 
boat, received "bj another man ; a coach standing 
by. Inscription, "Lord Grey making his Escape." 

X. Missing. 

Knave. A man in gown and bands, with tlie 
words from his mouth, " Fight the Lairde's bat- 
Inscription, "Ferguson the Independent 

the front, a man standing by an 



overturned cart ; at a distance a coach and six on 

the road. Inscription, " A conspirator overturn- 
ing a cart fo stop the King's coacli." 

Kiu'T. A nobleman siitinc^in an arm-chair, with 
the words from liis mouth, '' Assist me friends." 
BcliinJ liim :i .^liadowy black figure with horns, 
evidently the evil spirit, holding the back of his 
chair. Inscription, '' The Lord Shaftsbury." 

The six of Hearts has a representation of the 
execution of Lord llusscll, with the inscription, 
" L** Russell bclieaded In Lincohrs Inn Feilds." 

This may be sufficient to give a notion of these 
very curious cards; and I should be glad to know any other copy of them is known to be 

T. C. 

in existence. 


The Lapwing: WiTcncRAFT.— , _.. ^,^, 

an ohl French book a few days since I met with a 
word which caused me some vexatious research. 
The author tells his readers how tliey may render 
themselves invisible, and his directions are — "To 
wear a wig made of the hairs of a person who has 
Veen hung, having first had the wig steeped in 
the blood of line mi pn."'' I sought for tlie mean- 
ing of pnpu in Cliambaud's quarto French amt 
English Dictionary, in French and Latin, French 
and German, French and Spanish, French and Por- 
tuguese, French and Dutch dictionaries in vain ; 
but at last discovered that the word was obsolete,' 
and synonymous with the modern huppe, and in 
English signifies a lapwing, peewit, and hoopoe ; 




cmo; and that it is our old Ovidian friend the 
naughty Tereus, who fell in love with his sister- 
in-law, Philomela, whose tongue he cut out lest 
she should tell his wife how badly he had behaved • 
and who afterwards dined upon the remains of 
his son Itys I traced the pnpu afterwards 
from Ovid A/./, v.. 672, 673, 674; to Virgil, 
Eclog VI. 78 ; to Plautus, Copt. Act V. Sc. 4, iTne 
7 ; and found honourable mention made of it in 
Plmy 8 Natural History, in .Elian, Be Animal i. 
85; in. 26; vi. 46 ; x. 16; xvi. 5; in Pausanias, 
lb. 1, c. 40. What I wish to know is, does the 
Japwmg, so remarkable a bird in ancient lore and 

legend, and an ingredient In mediaeval French 
mafjic, hold any importance in the folk lore of 
England ? 

I appeijd in the original the receipt for 
one's self invisible : 

'• Porter une peruque faite des chevcux d'un peadu, et 
trempee dans le sang d'une pupa, afin de se rendre in- 



W. B. MacCabe. 

Dinan, Cotes <la Nord, France. 

John Rowe, Serjeant-at-Law. — Several in- 
quiries have been made in previous volumes re- 
specting Serjeant Rowe. From an Inq, p. m. at 

Exeter Castle, Oct. 28, 35 

VIIL, it ap- 

pears lie (lied on the 8th of October, leaving a son 

wards, .. ^^^ 

mouth, Totnes, &c., &c. 

of the same name, aged thirty-five years and up- 

a widow Agnes, and property in Davt- 

Another copy states, 

that his son John was thirty years of age, and his 
wife's name Mary. 

It will be seen from the above, that Serjeant 
Rowe was closely connected with Devonshire; 
and that, therefore, the statement in the Rowe 
pedigree (IlarL MS., 1174), that he was the son 
of John Rowe, of Rowes Place, Kent, is highly 

A family of the name of Rowe, or Roe, had 
been seated in the West of England for at least 
a century before the reign of Henry VIIL 

C. J. R. 

Charles Lloyd, the poet, the friend of Words- 
worth, Lamb, and Southey, died at Chaillot, near 
Paris, January 16, 1839, aged 64. {Gent Mag. 
N. S. xi. 335.) He was son of Charles Lloyd, 
Esq., banker of Birmingham ; was born in that 
town, and privately educated by Mr. Gilpin. On 
August 31, 1798, being twenty-three years of age, 
he was admitted a Fellow Commoner of Caius 
College, but never graduated. The late Mr. 
Justice Talfourd, in his Memorials of Charles 
Laruh^ referring to the year 1799, says: '^ Lloyd 
had become a graduate of the University." This 
is a mistake ; but it must be observed that 
another Charles Lloyd, a native of Norfolk, pro- 
ceeded B.A. at Emmanuel College in that very 
year. C. H. & Thompson Coopeb. 


Cambridge Tradesmen in 1635. 

loq. : 


** 'Tis becre that drowns the soules in their bodie.^. 
Uuson's cakes, and Paix his ale, hath frothed their braioes : 
hence is the whole tribe contemned ; every prentice can 
jeere at their brave Cassockes, and laugh the Velvet Caps 
out of countenance."— Randolph, Aristippus, 1635, p. 12. 

" Topicks or Common-places are the Tavernes; and 
Ilamon^ Wolfe, and Farlowes, are the three best tutors in 
the Universities."— ^m<7)/}?/s, 1635, p. 15. 

J. D. Campbell. 


J ' 

3rd s. V. Jax. 2, '64.] 



Robespierre's Remains. 

*' The mortal remains of Robespierre, St. Just, and 
Leba-^," says the Pa^rie, "have just been discovered by 
some workmen occupied in digging the foundations of a 
house at the Batignolles, at the angle of the Rue du 
Eocher and the old Chemin de Ronde. Those men, who 
played so important a part in the Revolution, were buried 
at the above 9i)ot ; the cemetery of the Madeleine being 

too full at the period of their death to admit of fresh | (Gtli edit. 1800) 

Cenotaph to the 79th Regiment at Clifton. 

Sir William Draper, nearly a hundred years a^o, 
erected in his garden at Clii*ton, near Bristol, a 
CGnotapli in memory of the officers and soldiers of 
the 79th re<iin:ient who fell durhi^i; the war in the 
middle of the last century. This memorial is 
alluded to in the Ann. Reg. 1768, vol. xi. 236 

The inscription, which is in 

interments." — Leeds Mtrcury^ Nov. 5, 1863. 


Old Latin Aristotle. — In a volume of Latin 
Sermones, printed at Cologne, and in the original 

Latin, is given in the Gent. Mag, 1792, vol. Ixii. 
part I. p. 168; and a translation of it occurs in 
the same volume at p. 162. According to the 
Gent. Mag. 1789, vol. lix. part ii. p. 607, it would 
seem that under the base of the sarcophagus the 
exploits of the regiment in the East Indies are 
particularised, and the names added of thirty- four 
officers who were killed in action. These names, 

binding, I have found parts of two leaves of an as far as I have been able to learu, not having 

early edition of ArLstotle in Latin. I know that been copied into any journal, I would suggest, 
they are early, because of the contractions, of the 


against the chances of that obliteration which 
by the omission of the first j time and the weather work on all exposed monu- 

letter of quoniam^ which was to have been sup- ments, that one of your Clifton or Bristol readers, 
plied by hand. I give a short extract belov, and interested in preserving the records on such me- 
I know that it i^ from the 4th book, near the moriab, impose on himself the task of sending you 
beiiinninji: of the treatise ''De Aninia;" and that a list of the names of those brave fellows for in- 

seriion in '^ N. & Q.'' To your military readers 
and others no doubt such a list Avould be useful, 
more so as the London Gazettes of the period — the 
chief source of reference in many instances — only 
note the deaths in war by totals. 

For purposes of identity, the names should be 
followed by any other information, such as dates, 
and the names of the battles and siei*;es in which 
the officers lost their lives, if such particulars occur 

it is not the translation in the folio, Paris, 1629. 
The page is printed in columns, just two inches 
wide. As far ^s potentia, in the extract^ the Ger- 
man-text letters are half an inch high. 

** [qluoniam anjte eade poten|tia |1 Postq; phus deter- 
mine 'vit qua si queda pambula | ad potencia vegetativa 

hie incipit | determinare de ipa & duo facit. qr 

Will some of your bibliographical readers be 
so kind as to tell me the edition to wdiich my 

fragment belon*2;s ? 

Wm. Davis. 

John Barcroft.— Li '' K & Q ," 3^^ S. iv. 187, 
it is stated that Laurence Halsted, Keeper of tlie 
Kecords in tho Tower of London, was born in 
1638, and married Alice, daughter of John Bar- 

on the cenotaph. 

M. S. R. 

"Wili-iam Ciiaigneau. — The famous Irish novel 
entitled The Histoi^y of Jack Connor, and which 
I believe first appeared in 1752, is attributed to 
William Chaigneau, Esq., who, in 1796, is re- 


ferred to as deceased {Gent. Mag.., 




croft, Esq. Is aiiything known of John Barcroft i 
There was a John Barcroft, perhaps his son, 
whose history presents some remarkable features. 
He was one of Cromwell's officers in Ireland, 
where it is to be supposed that he did good service, 
as he was rewarded with the estate of Castle Car- 
bery, near Edenderry, the name of which be 
changed, according to the fashion of the times, to 
Ask Ilill. The Castle Carbery estate reverted, on 
the Restoration, to the Colleys or Cowleys, ances- 
tors of the Duke of Wellington, to whom it had 
belonged from the time of Queen Elizabeth. John 
Barcroft, sickened perhaps by the scenes of blood 
"which he had witnessed during his service under 
Cromwell, joined the sect of Quakers, and be- 
came one of the principal founders of the Quaker 
colony at Balitore, co. Kildare, respecting which 
some interesting particuiars are given in i\\^Lead- 

Information respecting him will be acceptable. 

S. Y. R. 

Eleanor d'Olbreuse. — Where can I find par- 
ticulars of the parentage of this lady, who married 
one of the Dukes of Zelle, and so became an 
ancestress of our present royal family ? 


New Shoieham. 


In Bishop H 



heaie?* Papers. 



(sec. 5), the follow 

*• The Persian Hyoscyamus, if it be translated to Egypt 
proves deadly ; if to Je'^i'usaleni, safe and wholesome." 

I wish to know whether this is a positive fiict? 

W. J. Smith. 

Laurel Water. — It was stated in conversa- 
tion after Donellan's trial for the murder of Sir 
Theodosius Boughton, that a book on botany was 
lent to the captain by Mr. Newsom, the rector of 
Harborough, and that it was returned with the 



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leaf doubled down, saying that laurel water dis- 
tilled was a deadly poison. Can any of your 
botanical readers state in what book this accoun 
of laun-l-water is to be found ? A book cal ed 



Lewis ]\roRRis. 

a new 

book is notin the British Museum Perhaps one 
of your rea.lers may possess the book, and_ be able 
to state what the account oflaurel-w:iter is. 

An Ikquiber. 

At the conimcncement of 
Lord Tei^nmouth's Life of Sir William Jones is a 
ktter si-'ucd Lewis ^.lorris, in which the writer 
states, that he has sent Sir Wilham, as 
year's «'Ift, and in pursuance of an old Welsh 
cust^.m^'among kinsmen, a pedigree, showing their 
descent from a common ancestor. Can any of 
your readers inform me wliether the writer is tlie 
celebrated antiipiaiy and poet spoken of by ]Mr. 
Borrow in his recent work. Wild Wales, and whe- 
ther anything is now known of the pedigree in 
qncstion ? I'should be glad to know, too, whether 

s Morris has now any lineal descendants 


IL H. 

The Prince Consort's Motto. — Tlie motto of 

the Prince Consort— " Treu und Fest"— was one 
so strikingly applicable to his high character, that 
I should be dad to know its origin. 

On reading 


sat upon the \\'liite Horse was called ''faithful 
and true," it occurred to nie that the Elector of 
Saxony, from whom Prince Albert probably de- 
rived it, niit^ht have taken the motto from this 
passage in Luther's translation; but upon exandn- 
ation, I iind Luther's words are: 


Treu und 
As it seems probable that this 
motto, and the xchltc horse in the arms of Saxony, 
have been derived fr^m this passage, may I ask — 
When, and by whom they were first used ? 


Richard Salveyne. — In Cliiswick church, 
near London, upon a monument is read this im- 
perfect inscription 

"Orate pro anima jMathildis Salveyne iixoris Rychardi 
Salveyne Uiilitis Thesaurar: Ecclesie. mccccxxxii." 

So states an old MS. in my possession, but I do 
not find it recorded in the copious list of inscrip- 



It is further stated in the MS. this Richard 



whose tomb at Stanford in that county is there 

The monument at Chiswiek I presume to be no 
longer in existence. I do not find Richard Sai- 

ls anything known about 
be buried at Chiswiek, a: 


capacity ? 

, and what was his official 

Thomas E. Winnington. 

Swinburne. — Is anything known of a person 
of this name who was living about 1610 ? He was 
secretary to Sir Henry Fanshaw. Cpl. 

Captain Yorke. 

I am anxious to obtain in- 

formation about a JMr. Yorke, a Captain in the 
Trained Bands of London, who lived about the 

It is thcmght that he 

middle of the last century. 

was descended from the Yorkes of Erthig, Den- 
bighshire, Wales 

any c 
as to 

and I should be grateful to 

:orrespondent who could give me any details 
the Captain's connection with the Yorkes of 


Caue Town, 

PuoLEY. — What is the meaning of this word 
in the following advertisement, which I copy from 
a Ll^t of Books printed for and sold by Edward 
Cave, at St. John s Gate, Clerkenwell ? — 

"Travels into the inland parts of Africa, containing a 
description of the several Nations for the spivce of GOO 
miles up the liiver Gambia, with a particular account of 
Job Ben Solomon, a Pholey, who, in th.^ year 1733, w^as in 
Enc^laud, and known by the name of the African. Being 
the Journal of Francis Moore, Factor for several years to 
the Roval African Company of England." 

E. IL A. 

[An interesting account of the Pholeys, a free and in- 
dependent pejple of Gambia, is supplied by the author in 
the above work, in the first edition, 1738, p. 30, in the 
second edition (no date), p. 21. He says, '^n every 
kingdom on each side of the river Gambia there are some 
people of a tawny colour, called Pholeys, much like the 
x\rabs; which language they most of them speak, being 
to them as the Latin is in Europe; for it is taught in 
schools, and their law, the Alcoran, is in that language. 
They are more generally learned in the Arabick than the 
people of Europe are in Latin, for they can most of them 
speak it, though they have a vulgar tongue besides, called 
Phvhy. They live in hoards or clans, build towns, and 
are not subject to any kings of the country, though they 
live in their territories ; for if they are illtreated in one 
nation, they break up their towns, and remove to another. 
They have chiefs of their own, who rule with so much 
moderation, that every act of government se(?ms rather 
an act of the people than of one man. This form of govern- 
ment goes on easily, because the people are of a good and 
quiet disposition, and so well instructed in Avhat is just 
and right, that a man who does ill is the abomination of 
all, and none Avill support him against the chief 

The Pholeys are very industrious and frugal, and raise 
much more corn and cotton than they consume, which 
they sell at reasonable rates, and are very hospitable 
and kind to all; so that to have a Pholcy town in the 
neighbourhood, is by the natives reckoned a blessing. 





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Lines addressed to Charles I. — I copy the 
following vei'ses from MS. on a fly-leaf, at the 
end of a copy of Jus Imaginis apud Anglos^ or^ 
the Law of England 7'elating to the Nobility and 
Gentry^ by John Brydall, of Lincoln's Inne, 
Esquier, 1675." 8vo 

" Great Charles, thou Earthly God, Celestial Man I 
Whose life, like others', though it were a span, 
Yet in that life was comprehended more 
Than earth hath waters, or the oceans shore ; 
Thy heavenly virtues angels shall rehearse ; 
It IS a theme too high for human verse. 
He that would know the right, then let him look 
Upon this wise incomparable book. 
And read it o'er and o*er; which, if you do, 
You'll find the King a priest and prophet too; 
And sadly see our lot, although in vain" 

(^Cetera desunt,^ 

They appear to have been written by the hand 
of one William Thomas, as they follow these 
words: ''John ffurr his Booke. Willhim Tho- 
mas witnes, 1675." But they were evidently not 
William Thomas's composition, as he was an un- 
educated fellow, who wrote 

" Grate charls, though earthly god se- 
Lastiel man, huse J.ife Like others " 

and so on — oshians for " oceans," Engels for " an^ 
gels," &c. : on which account I have modernised 
the spelling, in order to make the whole inttlligi- 
ble. They seem to have been really the production 
of one who could \vY\tQ. verse, as well as the most 
extravagant adulation, and may be taken as an 
extreme example of the poetical hyperbole of that 
hyperbolical age. The ''incomparable book," for 
which they were first written^ was probably the 
Eikon Basilike. Do they occur in print in any 

edition of it ? 

J. G. N. 

[These lines are entitled " An Epitaph upon King 
Charles," signed J. IT., and are usually found printed in 
the earlier editions of the Eihon Basilike^ e. g. that by 
Royston, 24mo, 1649; that printed at the Hague by S. 
Brown, 24mo, 1G49; and in the Dublin edition of 1706. 
Vide " N. & Q." 2nd s. iv. 347 ; v. 393, 464 ; vi. 179.] 



will be glad to know the meaning of the rhino- 
ceros, or whatever the animal may be, which orna- 
ments all things sent from Apothecaries' HalL 

[The unicorn, as Actionized in heraldry, is a white 
horse, having the horn of the narwhale emanating from 
the forehead ; the belief in the animal being based on the 
passage in Job xxxix. 9 : « Will the unicorn be willing 
to serve thee?" but the original word "iie/n," thus 
translated " unicorn," is, by St. Jerome, Montanus, and 
Aquila, rendered ** rhinoceros"; and in the Septuagint, 
"monoceros" signifies nothing more than "one horn." 
The rhinoceros is therefore the misinterpreted unicorn of 
the ancients; and, from a belief in the fabulous medicinal 
qualities of the horn, has been advanced as the crest of 
the Company of Apothecaries, on some of whose sign- 

boards the rhinoceros presented the similitude of any- 
thing but the real beast ; and being frequently mistaken 
for a boar, the practice of painting the monster became 
more monstrous, and the boar proper has, to be more 
agreeable to the eye, been bedizened as a blue boar. 
Beaufoy's Tradesmen s Tokens, edit. 1855, p. 58.] 

Frumentum: Siligo. — In an account, teiJip. 
Edw. III., I find these words used for distinct 
kinds of grain. What kinds ? In Littleton's 
Latin Dictionary^ " siligo " is defined as " fine 
wheat, whereof they make manchet ; " and 'Mru- 
mentum" as '* all manner of corn or grain for 
bread." But in my account, the price of fru- 
mentum is 7^. and Ss, the quarter, that of siligo, 
5s. 6d. and 6s. Ad. only. Can I be referred to any 
more definite explanation of these terms? 

G. A. C. 

[Frumentum was used in the Middle Ages somewliat 
indeiinitcly, but it most frequently signifies wheat. Pure 
wheat—** Sa^pe sa?piusdesignatum opinor triticum purum, 
nee aliis granis mixtum.'^ (^Du Cange in verb.) In the 
passage lefore us it is certainly wheat. 

Siligo, in Middle-Age Latin, means rye. We know 
that in classical Latin it signifies a fine wheat, praised by 
Columella and riiny, as preferable to ordinary wheat for 
food, being finer, whiter, and lighter; but in the Middle 
Ages it almost always represents rye, as it assuredly does 
in this passage.] 

John Burton. — I have in my possession a 
rather scarce tract of 31 pnges, entitled Sacerdos 
Pai'cecialis Rusticus^ published at Oxford in 1757. 
Its author is "Johannes Burton de Maple-Durham 
in Com; Oxon. Vicarius." The duties of the parish 
priest are in it beautifully described in cUissical 
hexameters, 630 in number, and occasionally re- 
mind one of the picture, in Gohlsmith's Deserted 
Village^ of the country clergyman. 

Is anything known of the author, and what 
college in Oxford claimed him as an alumnus ? I 
presume that the same person was the author of the 
following eflfusions in ''^Selectee Poemata Anglomcm 





107; '*ilortusBotanicus,"p. 147; and 

borae Epinicion," p. 28; " Psalmus cxxxvii.," p. 

''Psalm us 

xlvi.," p. 275 for the name ^' J. Burton, S. T. P." 
is appended. Oxomensis. 

[Dr. John Burton, a learned critic and divine, was 
educated at Corpus Christi College, Oxford. lie died on 
Feb. 11, 1771, in the seventj'-sixth year of his age, and 
was buried at the entrance of the inner chapel at Eton. 
His Life has been published by his pupil and intimate 
friend, Dr. Edward Bentham. Most biographical diction- 
aries also contain some account of him.] 

James II. and the Pretender. — Can any of 

your readers refer me to any work giving details 
of the court held by James 11. and the Pretender 
at St. Germain-enrLaye, until the death of the 



[3'--i S. V. Jan. 2, '64. 

former? Did James II. confer pntents of nobility 

upon any of his adherents, and upon whom ? 
* N. H. K. 

[The state of the Court of St. Germains will be found 
in the fuUon-ing works: (1) A View of the Court of St. 
Germaiusfrom the Fear 1G90 to 1695, [by John Macky], 
8vo. 1G9G. (2.) " The Life of James IL, containing an 
Account of his Birth, I'ducation, &c., the State of his 
Court at St. Germains, and the particulars of his Death. 
Lo:id. 8vo, 1702." (3.) Clarke's Life of James IL, ii. 
472-647, copied from the Stuart Pai>ers in Carlton House. 
Consult also chap. xx. of Lord Macaulay's History of 
England, iv. 380. For the titles of nobility conferred by 
James II. after his abdication, see " X. & Q." 2>'J S. ix. 
23; X. 102,215,337.] 

New Translation of the Bible, by John 

Bellamy, circa 1818. — Bellamy did not complete 
the whole Bible. Query, how much did he pub- 

Geo. I. Cooper. 

[Eight parts of this new tran.slation were published, 
namely, from Genesis to tlie Song of Solomon, pp. 13G8. 
See Ilurnc's Introduction to the IIoli/ Scriptu^-es, ed. 184G, 

V. 3<)4.1 

li.>*li ? 


(3^d S. iv. 307.) 

in establishing an 

Bonnell Thornton's object 
exhibition of si(;n-boards was to convev satire on 
temporary events, objects, and persons. It took 
place at an opportune time, when the good- 
natured public was not disposed to consider it as 
an insult; and for a period it is said to have 
auswered the witty pr^yec tor's mast 


The mention made of this exhibition by the 
newspaper press of the day, presents so many il- 
lustrations of the state of art, and of the spirit 
of tlie times, that a few extracts from it may not 



The St. James's Chronicle of Maa-ch 26, 1762, 

after noticing the preparations of the Society of 
Arta, adds 

•* The Society of Si^^ii-Painters are also preparing a 

most magnificent collection of portraits, landscapes, fancy- 

pieces, history-pieces, night-pieces, Scripture-pieces, &c. 
Ac, designed by the ablest masters, and executed by the 
best ban Is in the^e kingdoms. The virtuosi Avill have a 
new opportunity to display their taste on this occasion, 
by discovering the different styles of the several masters 
employed, and pointing out by what hand each piece is 
drawn. ^ A Remarkable cognoscenti, who has attended at 
the Society's great room, with his eye-glass, for several 
mornings, has already piqned himself on discovering the 
famous painter of * The Rising Sun* (a modern Claude) 
in an elegant nightpieceof *The Man in the Moon/" 

The London Register for Apnl, 1762, as quoted 
m Mr. Tye's Patronage of British Art, gives us 
tte following account of the exhibition itself; 


" Oil entering, you pass through a large parlour and 
paved yard, of which, as they contain nothing but old 
common signs, we shall take no further notice than what 
is said of them in the Catalogue, which the reader will 
not find to be barren of wat and humour. On entering 
the grand room, you find yourself in a large and com- 
modious apartment, hung round with green baize, on 
which this curious collection of wooden originals is fixed 
flat, and from whence hang keys, bells, swords, poles, 
sugar-loaves, tobacco-rolls, candles, and other ornamental 
figures, carved in wood, which commonly dangled from 
the pent-houses of the diff'erent shops in our streets. On 
the chimney-board (to imitate the style of the catalogue) 
is a large^blazing fire, painted in water-colours; and 
-within a^kind of cupola, or rather dome, which lets the 
light into the room, is written in golden capitals, upon a 
blue ground, a motto disposed in the form following: 




'■ From tliis short description of the grand room (when 
we consider the singular nature of the paintings them- 
selves, and the peculiarity of the other decorations), it 
nuiy be easily imagined that no connoisseur who has 
made the tour of Europe ever entered a picture-gallery 
that struck his eye more forcibly at first sight, or pro- 
voked liis attention with more extraordinary appearance. 
We will now, if the reader pleases, conduct him round 
the room, and take a more accurate survey of the curious 
originals before us; to which end we shall proceed to 
transcribe some ot the most conspicuous features of the 
ingenious Society's Catalogue, adding, by the way, such 
remarks as mav seem necessarv for his instruction and 
entertainment : 

** No. 1. Portrait of a justly celebrated painter, though 
an Englishman and a modern. 

'' No. 8. ' Tlie Vicar of Bray.' The portrait of a beni- 
ficed clergyman at full length. * The A^icar of Bray ' is 
an ass in a feather-topped grizzle, band, and pudding- 
sleeves. This is a much droller conceit, and has much 
more effect, as here executed, than the old design of the 
ass loaded with pi'cferment. 

"No. 9. * The Irish Arms.' By Patrick O'Blaney. 
N.B. Captain Terence O'Cutter stood for them. This 
sign repre:?ents a pair of extremely thick legs, in white 
stockings, and black gaiters. • 

" No. 12. ' The Scotch Fiddle.' By M*Pherson. Done 
from himself The figure of a Highlander sitting under 
a tree, enjoying the greatest of pleasures, scratching 
where it itches. 

" No. 16. * A Man.' Nine tailors at work, in allusion 
to the old saying, * Nine tailors make a man.' 

"No. 19. * Nobody alias Somebody.' A character. 
The figure of an ofiicer, all head, arms, legs, and thighs. 
This piece has a very odd effect, it being so droTIy exe- 
cuted that you don't miss the body. 

" No. 20. ' Somebody, alias Nobody.' The companion 
of the foregoing, both by Hogarty. A rosy figure, with 
little head and a huge body, wdiose belly swags over, 
almost quite down to his shoe-buckles. By the staff in 
his hand, it appears to be intended to reprer^ent a con- 
stable: it might also be mistaken for an eminent justice 
of the peace. 

"No. 22. *The Strugglers: a Matrimonial Conversa- 
tion.' Bv Ransby. Represents a man and his wife fight- 
ing for the breeches. 


^ ■ 

3^d s. V. Jax. 2, '64. J 






f Secret/ 

* making a 

' A Freemason's Lodge ; or, the Impenetrable 
By a S\Yorn Brother. The snpposed ceremony 
and probable consequences of what is called 
mason.^ Represents the master of the lodge with a red- 
hot salamander in his hand, and the new brother blind- 
fold, and in a comical situation of fear and good-luck. 

" No. 27. * The Spirit of Contradiction.' Two brewers 
with a barrel of beer pulling different ways. 

"No. 35. * A Man in his Element.' A sign for an eat- 
ing-house. A cook roasting at afire, and the devil basting 

" Xo. 36. ' A Man out of his Element.' A sailor falling 

off a horse, with his head lighting against a milestone. 

*• No. 37. *A Bird.' By Allison. Underneath is writ- 


* A bird in hand far better 'tis 
Than two that in the bushts is. 

"No. 38. * A ]\ran loaded with Mischief,' is represen 
rrying a woman, a magpie, and a monkey on his ba( 



A perukemaker's sign 
Underneath is written 

*'No. 39. * Absalom Hanging, 
bv Sclatter. 

' If Absalom had not worn his own hair, 
Absalom had not been hani^in^ there.' 

^* But the cream of the whole jest is No. 49 and No. 50' 
its companion, hanging on each side of the chimney 
These two are by an unknown hand, the exhibition 
having been favoured with them from an unknown quar- 
ter. Ladies and gentlemen are requested not to finger 
them, as the}'- are concealed by the curtains to preserve 
them. Behind the curtains are two boards, on one of 
which is written *lla! ha! ha! ' and on the other • He! 
he! he"!' At the opening of the exhibition, the ladies 
had infinite curiosity to know what was behind the cur- 
tain.5, but were afraid to gratify it. This covered laugh 
is no bad satire on the indecent pictures in some collec- 
tions, hung up in the same manner with curtains over 

"No. G6. * A Tobacconist's Sign.' By Bransbv. The 
conceit and execution are admirable. It represents a com- 
mon-councilman and two friends drunk over a bottle. 
The common-councilman, asleep, has fallen back in his 
chair. One of his friends (an officer) is lighting a pipe 
at his nose; whilst the other (a doctor) is usin<? his 
thumb as a tobacco-stopper. 

"Some humour was also intended in the juxtaposition 
of the signs, as *The Three Apothecaries' Gallipots,' and 
* The Three Coffins,' its companion." 

The locale of the exhibition was the house of 

Bonnell Thornton in Bow Street, 



as we learn from the following advertise- 

ments, and from the title-page of the catalogue. 
The latter reads as follows : 

"A Catalogue of the Original Paintings, Busts, Carved 
Figures, &c. &e., now Exhibiting by the Society of Sign 
Painters, at the Large Room, the upper end of Bow- 
street, Coven t Garden, nearlv 

any candid person as a reflection on any body, or body of 
men. They are not in the least prompted by any mean 
jealous}'', to depreciate the merits of their brother arti.ts. 
Animated by the same public spirit, their sole view is to 
convince foreigners, as well as their own blinded country- 
men, that however inferior the nation may be unjustly 
deemed in other branches of the polite arts, the palm for 
sign-painting must be universally ceded to us, the Dutch 
themselves not excepted." 

The purchase of a catalogue entitled the owner 
to an admission to the exhibition. A printed 
slip was appended to it in the form of a ticket, 
which was torn off by the door-keeper upon pre- 
sentation, thus rendering the catalogue unavail- 
able for a second admission. 

Copies of the catalogue are of very rare occur- 
rence. The only one I ever saw was sold at 
PutticVs about a twelvemonth since. 



(P^ S. i. 214, 4o8; 3 



As tliis question appears to be of so ancient a 
date as tlie first volume of '' N. & Q.," it certainly 
ought to be disposed of at the earliest oppor- 
tunity. The lines will be found in the Anthologia 
Veterum Latinorum Epigrammatum et Poematum 
of Peter Burinan, the younger; and, also, in the 
collections of Wernsdorf and Meier, founded on 
the same work. It is pretty evident, from their 
epigrammatic character, that they are not a part 
of a larger poem, but complete in themselves. 
Burman quotes De la Cerda as his authority for 
the lines, but I can give an earlier one, having 
found tliem, introduced seemingly as a quotation 
into a work of Lievinius Lemnius, the learned 
Canon of Zeric-Zee, entitled Herharum atque 
Aihoimm qu(B in Bibliis passim ohvice sunt Expli^ 
catioy Antwerpia?, 1566. 

any authority or reference for the lines; but in 
the Opei^a Omnia of Virgil, edited by the learned 
Spanish Jesuit Johannes Ludovicus de la Cerda, 
they are again quoted, the editor telling us that 
they were found incised on marble. The lines 
occur in a note to n passage in the first book of 

Lemnius does not give 







edited by La Cerda, were published at Lyons in 

tl'piavhouse ^^^^^ ™^' P^^^^^lj, is all the reply that 


An advertisement was inserted in the cata- 

now be 



second does not admit of so ready an answer. 
One, who had a very complete idea of the world 

nnrl oTcrx In +1.^ i^M • .1 ijne, wuo uau a very cumpieie me 

a_nd also in the dailj papers, m these ^^ literature, shrewdl/observes that 


Societ}- for the Encouragement of Arts, &c^ and of the 
artists. Thej hitciul theirs as an appcudix onlv, or in 


"Commentators sometin:es view 
In Homer more than Homer knew." 

in all likelihood, most of the readers of 



will coincide in the opinion, that, 

the style of painters, a companion to the others/ 'lliere ' generally speaking, the notes and quotations of 
IS nothing in their collection that will be understood by , commentators and annotators should be received 




cum grano 

I would not presume to say 


Lemnius coined the lines to suit his purpose ; still, 
withal, they have a comparatively modern aspect. 
AVhon the authority is so very va^ue as " reperi- 
untur in marmore,'' we have every right to look 
for internal evidence, and that, as far as regards 
the antiquity of the lines — which, indeed, is the 

is, in my humble 


gist of the question 

opinion, wanting. For they seem to be deficient of 
the sonorous ring of the ancient Augustan metal, 
as well as of the quaint, flat chink of the mediaeval 
Latinity. Andbeinj]^ the only authority, as far as 

T r i.^ r, a. i r 4.^ ^t- " ^^oc epifframma lacium est, ut prove 

I am aware, for the often. repeated assertion, that ^^^^ ^,^^. ^^^^^^ ^^^^ explicaretu; poetice." 
the ancients respected the rose as an emblem ot 
silence, and consecrated it to Ilarpocrates, these 
lines, with regard to their antiquity, afford a very 

an emblem of secresy, it is certain that the Teu- 
tonic races did from a very early period. The 
custom and principle is particularly German, ac- 
cording to the ancient proverbial saying — 

^' Was Kir Kosen, bleib' unter dem Eosen." 

And Wernsdorf decides against the antiquity of 
the lines in question, because they form the only 
Latin notice of a peculiarly German custom and 
idea, while Meier, in his edition of Burman, goes 
further, and savs the Latin lines were written on 
tlie German proverb 

bium illud. Hoc 

J. S. L. puts the 
the custom therein referred to the 

interesting question ; or, as 

query — *' Is 

origin of the phrase suh rosa ? 


When looking for the origin or explanation of 
an emblem or symbol, we must study the natural 
features of the subject, and resolutely reject every 
tiling approaching to the fabulous or mythicaL 
And so 


J'iiere is, however, something more tlian a I ^^^^^'ds ot our worth} 

we cannot conclude better than in the 


English philosopher, 

custom referred to in the lines ; there is, also, a 
sacred principle. As is well known, it was a 
custom for the ancients to decorate their festal 
tables with roses ; but that they recognised the 
rose as a sacred symbol of silence, through an 
alleged mythical connection between ^he flower, 
Cupid, Venus, and Harpocrates, is exceedingly 
doubtful; there being no other authority for the 
assertion than these lines, of which the authorship 
is unknown, and the antiquity most questionable. 
La Cerda, though not the first to quote the lines, 
is, in all probability, the first who alleges that 
they were found on marble ; and the manner in 
which he introduces them into print is rather sus- 
picious, they being dragged in as an annotation to 
the following passage in the text : 

" II ic Regina gravem gemmis am'oque poposcit, 
Implevitque mero paterani, quam Belus et omnes 
A Belo soliti : turn facta silentia tectis." 

A more inappropriate quotation than the lines 
in question can hardly be imagined ; silence, it is 
true, is alluded to in the text, but there is cer- 
tainly not one word about roses. How tlien does 
the commentator connect the two? By artfully 
and illogically dragging; in another quotation, in 
which roses are alluded to, without any reference 
to silence. Here it is, from the nineteenth epi- 
gram of the tenth book of iMartial : 

" Usee hora est tua, dum furit Lyaius 
Cum regnal rosa, cum madent'capilli : 
Tunc me vel rigiili legant Catones " 

It is not, then, without justice observed in the 
Biographic Universelle, in allusion to Dp 1^, C.^y. 

a s Virgil 

" Que le 

paabesoin d 
pas Petre." 

Thomas Browne, who says : 

" Wlien we desire to con flue our words, we commonly 
say, they arc spoken under the rose; which expression 
is commendable, if the rose, from any natural property, 
may be the symbol of silence, as Nazianzene seems to 
imply, in these translated verses: 

* Utque latet rosa verna suo putaminc clausa, 
Sic OS vincla ferat, validisque arctetnr habenis, 
Indicatque suis prolixa silentia labris,' 

and is also tolerable, if b\' desiring a secresy to words 
spoken under the rose, we only mean in society and com- 
potation, from the ancient symposiac meetings to wear 
chaplets of roses about their heads; and so we condemn 
not the German custoni, which over the table describeth 
a rose in the ceiling." 

The lines which have caused so mucli inkshed 
have been thus paraphrased : 

" The rose is Venus' pride; the archer boy 
Gave to Harpocrates his mother's flower, 
What time fond lovers told the tender joy 
To guard with sacred secresy the hour: 
Hence, o'er his festive board the host uphung 

Love's flower of silence, to remind each guest. 
When wine to amorous sallies looser! each tongue, 
Under the rose what passed must never be 

William Pikkerton. 






ce qui n'a 
ne devrait 

Whatever douht tliere may be respecting the 
ancient Romans using the rose at their foasls, as 

Nobody seems to have looked at Mr. John 
Taylor's Junius Identified. An extract from this 
work, and the original communication to the 
Athenmim^ on^ which the question was raised in 
your pages, will secure your having all that has 
been said (Taylor, p. 119, AthencBum, Aug. 28 and 
Sept. 4, 1858) : 

" The Rev. Philip Rosenhagen was the schoolfellow^ 
and continued through life the mutual friend, of Sir Philip 
Francis and Mr. Woodfall. ... It is a little remarkable. 


3"! S. V. Jax. 2, '64. ] 



that to Mr. Kosenhagen the letters of Junius Avere at one 
time attributed, though certainly without foundation. 
In the Essay prefixed to the last edition of Junius the 
conjecture is thus noticed : — * It is sufficient to observe 
that Mr. Rosenhagen, who was a schoolfellow of Mr. H. 
S. Woodfall, continued on terms of acquaintance with 
him in subsequent life, and occasionally wrote for the 
Public Advertiser : but he was repeatedly declared by 
Mr. Woodfall, who must have been a competent evidence 
as to the fact, not to be the author of Junius^ s Letters. A 
private letter of Rosenhagen's to IMr. Woodfall is still in 
the possession of his son, and nothing can be more dif- 
ferent from each other than this autograph and that of 

The followinii are tlie communications to the 

AtJieiKSum: the second by myself. The first is an 
extract from the Gazetteer of Jan. 24, 1774 : 

" The celebrated Junius is at last discovered to be the 

gen. He was originally a great ac- 

Rev. Phil, R 

quaintance of Mr. Home's, and a contemporary of his at 

Cambridge. Mr. R gen was there celebrated, above 

all others, for his classical abilities. Mr. R gen was 

in London during the whole time of Junius's publication ; 
for a considerable time before, and ever since, he has been 
abroad. He is now resident at Orleans in PVauce, where 
he cuts a very conspicuous appearance, having married a 
ver}' beautiful and accomplished young lady, sister of the 
celebrated Mrs. Grosvenor ; nor does he make it anv secret 
where he resides that he is the author of Junius." 

" The identity would have been perfectl}' clear in 
1774, though few would see it in 1858. The Rev. Philip 
Rosenhagen is lost, because he published nothing with 
his name. But he was verv well known in the literarv 
world, and better still in the convivial world : this, how- 
ever, must have been more after 1774 than before. He 
had the sort of reputation to which Theodore Hook 
should attach a name, as the brightest and most enduring 
instance of it. He took a high-bottle degree in England, 
and was admitted ad eundem in India, where he went as 
chaplain some time before 1798, to increase and fortify 
the well-earned gout which he carried out with him. I 
think I have heard, from those who knew him, that he 
had been one of the boon companions of the Prince of 
Wales, He was a necessary man to be fixed on as the 
author of Junius y at a time when anv man of much talent 
and no particular scruple, who wrote nothing which he 
acknowledged, was set down as one to be looked after in 
that matter. And if it should turn out after all that 
Junius is to be written by some biting scamp on whom no 
lasting suspicion has settled, this same Philip Rosen- 
hagen has a fair chance. I think that the Junius rumour 
was current among his acquaintance." 

It now appears that the Junius rumour was so 
strong, that ^yoodfall himself had to deny it re- 



(3--^ S. iv. 445.) 

It will be difficult, at the lapse of more tlian 
half a century, to obtain many particulars of the 
life of John Collins. Of the many who laughed 
at his humorous monologue. The B 


formed as an interlude at the Theatre Royal, 
Birmlnfl^ham, then under the management of the 
elder Macready, at the end of last, or the begin- 
ning of the present century — those who are alive 

were mostly children, who cared little about the 
private doings of the performer who amused them 
in public ; while the elders who accompanied them 
have made their exits from that larger stage, on 
which they were fellow-actors with him. He was 
" bDrn at Bath, and bred up to the business of a 
stay-makeiV as I gather from a short notice of 
him, as '^an actor,'' in the Thespian Dictionary^ 
8vo, 1805; and we may conclude that his father 
was a professor of the sartorial art, from his 
verses, '' The Frank Confession," *^ inserted by the 
author some years ago in the Bath Chronicle^ in 
consequence of a report being spread with a view 
to injure him in the eye of the fashionable v/orld ; 
which report was nothing more nor less than his 
being the son of man who supplied his employers 
with raiment for the body, while he was furnish- 

public with amusement for the mind.'^ 
In this piece the verses occur: — 

" This blot on mv scutcheon, I never vet trv'd 

To conceal, to erase, or to alter ; 
But suppose me, by birth, to a hanginaa allied, 
Must I wear the print of the halter? 

" And since 'tis a truth I've acknowledged through 
And never vet labour'd to smother, 
That *a taylor before I was born took a wife, 
And that tavlor's wife was mv mother.' 

• ••••• 

" Yet, while I've a heart which nor envy nor pride 
With their venom-tipp'd arrows can sting, 
Not a day of my life could more gladsonieI_v glide, 

ino; the 


I'm the son of a King I " 

Were it prov'd 

From an expression in this piece — 

" While I, brushing hard over life's rugged course, 
Its up and down bearings to scan/' &c. 

we may also infer that, while in Bath, he had 
turned his attention to the stage; and set to work 
with his Brush to *^rub off" cares and troubles. 
His name is not to be found in Pye's Birmingham 
Directory for 1785; but we may suppose that he 
shortly afterwards made his appearance in that 
town, as we find among his verses an *' Impromptu, 
on hearing the young and beautiful Mrs. Second 
sinnr. at the Musical Festival in Birmino;ham, for 
the Benefit of the General Hospital there," — this 
lady being one of the vocalists engaged at the 
Festival of 1793. We find his name, '^Collins, 
John, Great- Brook Street," in the Directory for 
1797 5 since which, and the previous one, a period 
of six years had elapsed. It was in that street, in- 
deed, nearly opposite the church at Ashted — and 
not Camden Street, though he may have subse- 
quently removed there — that he is known to have 
lived ; and he was editor, and part proprietor 
with Mr. Swinney, of the Birmingham Chronicle^ 
under the firm of Swinney & Collins. This paper 
was subsequently purchased, or at least edited, by 
Mr. Joseph Lovell, a pin-maker in the town* I 
mention the fact as possessing some interest : this 
gentleman having been the son of Robert Lovell, 




[S^-*i S. V. Jan. 2, '64- 

the Fantisocrat of former days, the early friend 
ami brother-in-hiw of Coleridge and Southey, who 
were consequently the nncles of our Birming- 
ham editor, Lovell also became a resident In Great 
Brook Street, where he died. Collins had no fa- 
mily : his wife, remembered as a handsome woman, 
suffered from that fearful malady a cancer in the 
breast, and never rallied from an operation for Its 
removal. His portrait — the chief characteristic of 
which is so lKip[)ily hit off by Mr. Pinkerton 
is, as I have been informed by contemporaries, 
an aduiirable likeness. I believe that the Brush 
was never published. There is also a theatrical 
portrait of him in the character of Master Slender. 
Several co[)ies of mnemonical lines on English 
history have appeared in these pages. The fol- 
lowing by Collins, are illustrative of his manner, 
and will be read with Interest. I transcribe them 
from the probably unique original broadside in 
the possession of Mr. "William Ilodgetts, an in- 
telligent printer of Birmlngliam, who knew Collins 
personally ; and whose portfolios are not more 
crammed with literary and artistic scraps of rarity 
and local value, than his head is full of the un- 
printed traditions and memories— the '^ trivial 
fond records'' — of a long and active life wholly 
devoted to letters. Why does not such a man 
provide against the prospective loss of the va?t 
mass of facts he has accumulated, by embodyino- 
them in an autobiograpliy or local chronicle I 
But this by the way. Thfi dnoiimpnh ;« n^ 

But this 


w ay 


'' The 

Chai'tkr of Kings. 

A Comic Song, 

In Do^^gerel Verse; 

KepeateJIy sung with Universal Applause hv Mr. Dignum 

at the Tlieatre Royal, Drury Laue; ' 

and written by 

Mu. Collins, 
Author of the ' Oral and Pictorial Exhibition,' which 

bears that Title. 

" The Romans in England awhile did sway ; 
The Saxons lonjj after them led the wav, 
Who tugg'd with the Dane till an overthrow 
Tbey met witli at last from the Norman bow t 
Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other 
W ere all of Ihcni Kings iu their turn. 



But liufus l>is son, by an arrow was sirin': 
And Harry the first uas a scholar bri-'ht, 
Air.1 Stephy was forced for his crown to (iffht; 
Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other, &c 

' Second Henry Plantagenet's name did bear, 
And Cocur- de- Lion was his son and lieir; 

«Tu- u '.^''' ^''•y^'' '''^3 e^"'^^ from John, 
Which Harry the third put his seal upon. 


There wa^ Teddy the first like a lygcr bold, 
Thongh the second by rebels was bought and suld ; 

leddy the third was his subjects^ pride, 
Though„d8on Dicky, was popp'd aside. 
Yet. barnng all pother, the one and th.. .^.. 


" There was Harry the fourth, a warlike wiglit, 
And Havry the fifth like a cock would fight ; 
Though Henny his son like a chick did pout. 
When Teddy his cousin had kick'd him out. 

Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other, &c. 

" Poor Teddy the fifth he was kill'd in bed, 
Bv butcherinij: Dick who was knock'd on the head; 
Then Henry the seventh in fame grew big, 
And Harry the eighth was as f^it as a pig, 

Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other, &c, 

" With Teddy the sixth we had tranquil days, 
Though Mary made fire and f;iggot blaze; 
But good Queen Bess was a glorious dame. 
And bonny King Janiy from Scotland came, 

Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other, &c. 

" Poor Charley tlie first was a martyr made, 
But Charley his son wa>s a comical blade; 
And Jemmy the second, \vhen hotly spurr'd, 
Ran awav, do vou see me, from Willy the third. 
Yet, barring all pother, the one and the other, &c. 

" Queen Ann was victorious by land and sea. 
And Georgy the first did with glory svray, 
And as Georgy the second has long been dead, 
Long life to the Georgy we have in his stead, 

And, may his son's sons to the end of the chapter, 

All come to be Kings in their turn. 

As the idiom of this whimsical ballad may seem 

rather singula?^, it may be necessarj^ to observe, that it 

Avas originally sung in the character of an Irish School- 

" Printed and sold by Swinney & Ferrall, No. 75, 
High Street." 

This sonpr, wliich was liigbly popular in its day, 
will be also found in the Scripscrapologia^ but with 
a different heading. 

The first piece in this volume is a 

" Previous Apostrophe (for it cannot be called a Dedi- 
cation) to Mk. Meyler, Bookseller at Bath, at one? the 
most ingenious and most indolent Bard of his Day; who, 
having written a Thousand excellent Ihings, which he will 
not be at the trouble of transcribing and arranging for 
Publication, is now become such a liuryer of his Talents, 
that they are all consigned to an old Lumber Box in the 
Corner of his Garret; and he seems quite indifferent 
about adding to the Heap the bare composition of another 

These verses were not without effect, for soon 
after appeared : 

"Poetical Amusement on the Journey of Life; 
sisting of various pieces in Verse, Serious, Theatric, 
grammatic, and Miscellaneous. 
Bath. 8vo. 180G." 


By William Meyler. 

At p. 193, of this amusing collection, we'find 
retort courteous to ''John Collins, Esq." 

" The well-known and facetious author of The Morning 
Bnish; who, in an Apostrophe, prefixed to a collection of 


scrapologia, has censured the author, &c. . . . Perhaps 
the vanity that was awakened by the praise, mixed with 
those friendly censures, was the prime cause of thia 
Volume being put to press," 

These lines will be thought, perhaps, a little toq 



3'd s. V. Jan. 2, '64.] 




but, especially in connection with tlie sub- 


ject, ma?/ appear to merit preservation: 

" To Joio Collins, Esq, 

" When Players and Managers of Drurj, 
Some full of dread, and some of fury. 
Consulted lately to enhance, 
Their Treasury's close-drain'd finance; 
Ere bounced had ' Carlo ' into "water, 
Or Cherry shown his * Soldier's Daughter ' ; 
'Mongst various schemes to prop the Stage, 
Brinsley declared he'd now engage 
His long expected play to finish, 
And all their cares and fears diminish ; 
Make creditors and audience g.iy 
Nay, actors touch their weekly pay. 

* Fair promises! ' Mich. Kelly cries, 
On which no mortal e'er relies ; 
Again to write you will not dare. 
Of owe ?nany Sir, you've too much fear.' 
*Fear! whom? 'l dread no man's contro]/ 
^ Yes, yes, you dread him to the souk' 

* Name him at once, detractive Vandal ! ' 
' The author of T/te School fo?^ ScandaU 
Thus, Collins, docs it hap with me. 
Since noticed by a Bard like thee, 
And blaz*d in thine 'Apostrophe.' 
I fain had written long ago. 
Some tribute of my thanks, or so; 
Some Avarm and faithful sweet eulogia. 

At reading thy Scripscrapologia ; 

But whisp'ring fears thus marrd the cause— 
*Thy Muse is not the Muse she was; 
When scarce a day but Avould inspire 
Her mind with some poetic fire. 
Disused to rhyme, in ''old chest laid," 
She's now an awkward stumbling jade ; 
And if thou e'er deserved the bays, 
Resume no more thy peccant lays, 
Nor damn thy friend's poetic praise.' 

Ah ! when I now invoke the Nine, 
Ere I have hammer'd out a line. 
Some queer sensations make me stop, 
And from my hand the goose-quill drop; 
* Richard's himself,' no more be said, 
For Richard's of himself afraid. 

But hence, ye stupefying fears ! 
Why should I dread? hence, hence, ye cares; 
Let me in gratitude's warni strain, 
ThriUing and glowing through each vein, 
Press to my lip that friendly hand 
Which points to where Fame's turrets stand ; 
And as the path I upwards climb, 
V\\ pause and listen to thy rhyme; 
While Poesy around me glides, 
And Laughter holds her jolly sides. 

Oh ! as I read thy motley page. 
Where wit keeps time with morals sage, 
I trace those days when pleasure's morn 
Bade roses bloom that knew no thorn ; 
When many an Epigram and Song, 
Came from thy voice \\\X\i humour stronirf 
Those well-known notes again appear 
To come fresh mellowM to mine ear, 
With accents faithful, bold, and cleai^ 

May ev'ry pleasure still be thine, 
That hope can wish, or sense deftne ! 
May Ashted's shades— if shades there be, 
For strange is thy retreat to me 
Afford thee health— Oh! cordial bliss! 

Enjoy i 



t 'l 

L f 

May Ashted's blessings round thee pour, 

Amid th}-" autumn's tranquil hour; 

And may the partner of thy cot, 

(Whom never yet m}' praj^er forgot,) 

Long feel as cheerful, bright and bonny, 

As when she first beheld her Johnny." [1804.] 

The well-known song ''To-morrow'' has figured 
in many collections ; the last stanza, with its fine 
pathos, is eminently poetical. The liev. Ja!nes 
Plumtre has the following remarks upon it: 

"The serious pun, which is similar to the Paronomasia 
of the Greeks and Romans, is sometimes used by Collins 

The "Mulberry Tree" has some, but the 
fruit is not of the best flavour. The following, in his song 
of " To-morrow, or the Prospect of Hope," (the whole of 
which is given in my Collection, vol. i, p. 19-1), is not 


* And when I at last must throw off this frail covering, 
Which I've worn for thrcscore years and ten. 

On the brink of the grave I'll not seek to keep hovering, 
Nor my thread wish to spin o'er again : 

But my face in the glass I'll serenely survey. 
And with smiles count each wrinkle and furrow; 

in his songs. 


, 5 J> 

was, I am led to 

May become everlasting to-morroAv. 

Letters to Ji)lin Aikin^ M.I)., on his Volume of 
Vocal Poetry, 8vo, Cambridge, 1811, p. 372 

Having, as we have seen, been successively a 
staymaker, a miniature painter, and an actor, 
Collins was somewhat advanced in life when he 
took up his residence in Birmingham. He was 
a big ponderous man, of the Johnsonian type, and 
duly impressed with a conviction of his varied 
talents. Men of this manner are apt to become 
unwieldy with age; and so it 
believe, wMtli our friend Collins — whose Brush 
probably ceased to attract the public, with his 
growing inability to sustain the labours of a 
sprightly monologue. Even in 1804, the date of 
his book, he speaks of it as his '^once popular per- 
formance," and he seems then to have retired into 
private life. He continued to reside at Great 
Brook Street, Ashted, with a niece, Miss Brent. 
This lady, to wdiose parentage some degree of 
mystery was attached, was possessed of a fortune, 
and kept some kind of carriage. The uncle may 
not have been entirely devoid of means, but I 
fancy was somewhat dependent on his niece for 
the comforts of age. lie died suddenly a few 
years later — probably in 1809 or 1810, as ]\Ir. 
Plumpton, in the book above referred to, pub- 
lished in 1811, speaks of him (p. 331) as "the late 
ingenious Collins, author of 2'he Evening Brush '' 

and Miss Brent returned to Bath. 

John Collins was undoubtedly a man of shrewd 
and kindly humour, as well as considerable natural 
talent. His song, '-To-morrow/' is a piece of 
unquestionable merit: though whether it deserves 


extravagant laudation 

of Mr. 


whose opinions on poetry will be taken cum grano 
by many who have read his criticisms on art — is 

another question. Many other pieces in the little 




[3'-d S. V. Jan. 2, '64. 

volume before rae— "How to be Happy," p. 110; 
*' The Author's Brush through Life," p. 152, &c._ 
are of great, if not equal merit, and the entire 
collection is well worthy revival and perusal. 

William Bates. 



For my friend I've a board, I've a bottle and bed, i 
Av/and tea times more welcome that friend if he's 

poor ; 
And for all that are poor if I could but find bread, 
Not a pauper without it should budge from my door. 

" Thus Avhile a mad world is involv'd in mad broils, 

For a few^ leagues of land or an arm of the sea ; 
And Ambition climbs high and pale Penurj^ toils, 

For what but appears a mere phantom to me; 
Through life let me steer with an even clean hand, 

And a heart uncorrupted by grandeur or gold; 
And, at last, quit my berth, when this life's at a stand. 

For a berth which can neither be bought nor be sold.'' 



Your able correspondent, Mr. Finkerton, has 
been enabled to supplement ^Mr. Palgrave's very 
scanty notice in The Golden Treasury, of the 
author of the admirable poem '' To-morrow. 
So long since as June 9, 1855, I had called 
attention, in the pages of this periodical, to Col- 
lins and his Scripscrupologia, and said, '' The 
book contains a variety of poetical pieces; among I find the following account of this auti.or in 

whicli are several songs. One of these, ' In the Dr. Hcefer s Nouvelle BiograpJiie Generale, tome 

downhill of life, when I find Fm declining,' <till xi. col. 194 : 

** Collins (John), actcur et litterateur anglais, ne 
vers 17o8, mort en 1808, a Birmingham. II se fit re- 
marquer au theatre dans presque tnus les genres. II 
chantait avec uue rare perfection des Romances et d'autres 
poesies de sa composition. On a de lui: The Morning 
Brush, ouvrage facetieux. Ses cours publics lui pro- 
curerent une assez grande fortune. 11 otait aussi nudes 

enjoys a justly deserved popularity.'* (^' N. c^c Q.'' 
1»'* S. xi. 450.) I also quoted at lengtli (apropos 
to a subject then under discussion) some other 
very popular lines by the same ready writer, but 
which were often ascribed to other authors,— 
*' The Chapter of Kings," that historical raemuria 
tcchrdca which contains such well -remembered 
lines as — 

proprietaires du Binningham Chronicle,''^ 

** Then ILirry the Seventh in fame grew big, 
And Harry tlie Eighth Avas as fat as a pig.' 


The Scripscrapologm lias another song of the 
same charact'.*r as '^To-morrow," and embracing 
many of its qualities. As the book is so rare, 
perhaps you would like to print the song in ques- 
tion, wdiich I here subjoin : — 

" HOW TO UE ilAri^Y. — A SOXG. 

^' In a cottage I live, and the cot of content, 

Where a few little room?, for ambition too lovr, 
Are furnish'd as plain as a patriarch's tent, 

With all for convenience, but nothing for shov/ : 
Like Robinson Crusoe's, both peaceful and pleasant, 

Dy industry stor'd, like the hive of a bee; 
And the peer who looks down with contempt on 
Can ne'er be lookM up to with envy by me. 

** And when from the brow of a neighbouring hill, 

On the mansions of Pride, I with pity look down, 
While the murmuring stream and the clack of the mill, 

1 prefer to the murmurs and clack of the town. 
As blythe as in youth, wdien I danc'd on the green, 

I disdain to repine at my locks growing grey : 
Thus the autumn of life, like the springtide screre, 

Makes approaching December as cheerful as May. 

" I lie down with the lamb, and I rise wdth the lark, 
So I keep both disease and the doctor at bay ; 
Anil I feel on my pillow no thorns in the dark, 

Which reflection might raise from the deeds of the 
day : 

For, with neither myself nor my neighbour at strife, 

Though the sand in my glass may not long have to 

Tm determin'd to live all the days of my life. 
With content in a cottage and envy to none! 

** Yet let me not selfishly boast of my lot, 

Nor to self let the comforts of life be confin'd ; 
iJ^"^ ^^^^hd the pleasures must be of that sot, 
Who to share them with others no pleasure can find ! 



P.S. A notice substantially the same as the 
above nmv be seen in tlie new edition (>f Michaud's 
BiograjJiie Univcrsellc^ tome viii. p. 606. 

John Hawkins (F^ S. xi. 325 ; 3^^ S, iih 459 ; 
iv. 425.) — We beg to refer Mr. Hareanb to a 
communication from us, which appeared in your 
columns so recently as June 3 In the present year, 
su^gestinof that the author of the MS. Life of 
Henry Prince of Wales was John Hawkins, secre- 
tary to the Earl of Holland, and one of the clerks 
of the council, who died in 1631. 

C H. & Thompson Cooper. 


Rev. F. S. Pope (3^^^ S. iv. 395.)— Mr. Brod- 
RiCK begs to inform the inquirer that Mr. Pope, 
formerly minister of Baxtergate Chapel, Wliitby, 
left that place, and died at York, he believes, 
some twelve or fifteen years ago. Mr. Brodrick 
knew and was well acquainted with Dr. Bateman. 
The Rev. W. L. Pope, Fellow of Worcester Col- 
lege, Oxford, and now Minister of the Chapel of 
Ease, Tunbridge Wells^ is the brother of the late 
Mr. Pope, of Whitby. 

18, Talbot Square, Hyde Park. 

Mrs. Cokayne ("y^ S 


I thank Dr. Rimbault for his courteous and very 
satisfiictory^ answer to my query. His account is 
confirmed in several particulars by Wood in his 
Life of Aston Cockaine^ for so lie spells the name 
(A. OAv. 128, ed. Bliss.) The tradition of ^^Dr. 
Donne's chamber '' at Ashbourne Is valuable as at 



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ingest sister." 

H. J. H. thinks It " odd that Mrs. Cokain should 

be so little known," not being aware perhaps that 

there was more than one lady of the name at the 

period. I shrewdly suspect that he has learnt 

something more than he knew before, through my 

query, which, like many others, was addressed to 

Q " ■ 



) — I beg to add a more 

complete answer to Anglus than I last forwarded 
to you. 

It is true that ish^ terminating some words, has 
the signification of rather^ as darkish; but the 
other word, brackish, is not an English word at 
all without the ish. But ish has no more mean- 
ing in the word Scottish than it has in Danish, 
Swedish, Spanish, ^^c. A Dane, Scot, or Swede 

save time in further consulting books of reference, ' is absolutely of Danish, Scottish, and S 
and to elicit something more than I did know on : descent, not in deo;ree or rather so^ 

the matter. As to the story of Charles Cotton's 
witticism on her head-dress, and his 

losing lier 

estate by liis humour, I can scarcely reconcile it 
with the fnct that she had children of her own, 
unless she intended to disinherit them for the sake 
of her nephew. Will H. J. H. allow me to ask him 
to trace the relationship? In *the History and 
Topography of Askhourne^ Sfc. published in 1839, it 
is stated that Thomas Cockayne lived in London 


(p. 16) 



what earlier authority does this statement rest? 


of Delta's 


(A. O. 





are answered by 

" durinu 


ays « .^^ 

the time of the civil wars he sufTered much for his 
religion (which was that of Rome) and the king's 
cause, pretended then to be a baronet made by 
King Charles I. after he, by violence, had left 
the parliament about Jan. 10, 1641, yet not 
deemed so to be by the officers of arms, because 
no patent was enrolled to justify it, nor any men- 
tion of it made in the docquet-books belonging to 
theclerkof thecrown in chancery, where all patents 
are taken notice of which pass the great seal ; " 
and afterwards he adds — *^The fair lordship of 

Ashbourne also was some 
William Boothby, Bart." 
British Bihliogropher^ vc 
I have not erot. 

ago sold to 




Dr. Bliss refers to the 

ii, pp. 450-463, which 


John Donne, LL.D. (3^^ S. iv. 295, 307.) 

Thanks for the information given in your answer, 
though it does not meet the precise point to which 
my query was directed. I was aware of his ad- 
dressing Lord Denbigh as his patron, but I do 
not see the connection between this and his beinjx 
supposed to have held the rectory of Martins- 
thorpe. May I ask where his will is to be found ? 
Was it ever proved ? The " S** Constantine Iluy- 
gens, Knight," to whom Donne's son addressed the 
letter in the presentation copy of the BIA0ANA- 
T02, now in the possession of your correspondent 
A. B. G., was not the brother but the father of 
great astronomer. 

"HuYGHKNS (Ch\6i\Qr{), Hughenlua, vit le jour k La 
Haye, en IG'29, de Constantiu Huyghens, gentilhomme 
liollandois, connu p:ir de mauvaises'podsies latincs, qii^l a 
trfes-bien intitules Momenta desultoria, 1G55, in-12."— 

Dictionnaire Historigue, §-c., pour servir de Supplement 

aux Delicts des Pays^Bas, i. 274. Paris, 1786.' 


In German isch is a termination to the words 

Banisch^ Englisch^ Schoifisch^ Sweo 
in the same sense as in Danish, &c. 


Execution for Witchcraft (3^^^ S. iv. 508.) 

Sir AValter Scott, in his Letters on Demonology 
and Witchcraft^ mentions a trial and execution for 
this supposed crime which took place in Scotland 
of a date six years later than the English case re- 
ferred to by Pelagius. In 1722, the Sheriff- 
Deputy of Sutherland gave sentence of death, 
whicli was carried into execution on an insane old 
woman who had a daughter lame of hands and 
feet, which was attributed to the mother's beinir 
used to transform her into a pony, and getting her 
shod by the deviL (See Letter dth.) 

Sir Walter adds that no punishment was in- 
flicted on the sheriff for this gross abuse of the 
law. It was the last case of the kind in Scotland ; 
yet such was the force of prejudice, and of mis- 
taken interpretation of the Scriptures that, in a 
declaration published eight years afterwards by 
the Associated Presbytery of Seceders from the 
Church of Scotland (and which will be found in 
the Scots Magazine of 1743) there is classed 
among other national sins, against which they 
desire to testify, '' the repeal of the penal statutes 

against witches." 


Mutilation or Sepulchral Monuments (3^* 

S. iv. 286, 363, 457.) — My note of certain monu- 
ments which had suffered mutilation has provoked 
so many observations in the pages of " 'N. & Q." 
that I cannot let the subject drop without 
making one or two remarks. 

I admit that my language was strong. 



tended that it should be so. The uncalled-for 
destruction of family records, if condemned at 
all, must be condemned strongly. Had the monu- 
ments in question been to members of my own 
family, I should, without a 'moment's hesitation, 
have placed the matter in the hands of my soli- 
citor ; as they did not, I sent copies of the in- 
scriptions in order that for the benefit of future 
genealogists, they might be rescued from oblivion. 
Vebna assumes that the slabs in question " have 
been overlaid by tile paving, more suited to the 
sacred character of the spot." As far as I can 
remember, the new paving was of white bricks, 
such as I should be sorry to see in any decent 



[Sr'i S. V. Jan. ?, '64. 


When I wrote 

kitchen. Vebna adJs, that I am " unfortunate 

in my selection of a signature. 

the note, I had just come from a place named 

P , and wanting to put some letter at the 

end of my note, ex P. suggested itself to me, and 
so I wrote XP. I hope this solution of Yebna's 
** mare's nest " will prove as satisfactory as that 
equally intricate puzzle which, when deciphered, 
was " Bill Stumps, his mark/' 

I agree entirely with the remarks made by 
Mr. II. T. Ellacombe and Mr. P. Hutchinson, 
whom I have to tliank for writing replies which I 
felt too idle to do mvself I must add, in con- 
elusion, that I tliink the destruction of our old 
sepulchral memorials — the only witnesses to the 
iireatness of many a bygone family — is to be 

And I would ask, what pLiCe 

be a 

deeply lamented. 

is so well fitted as the House of God to 
store-house and record room of the names and 
acrinns <>f those who, while living, have worshipped 
at His altars, who are numbered among the taitli- 

fill departed, and whose actions 

" Sint'U sweet ami blossom in the dust"? 


A friend of mine visited Hereford Cathedral 
lately on purpose to see if the tombstone of a 
great-<;reat-grandparent required rechiseling or 
any other repairs. Alas! the cathedral had been 
" restored." The tombstone was gone, and nothing 
could be learned about it; and the whole of thai 
patt of the floor had been relaid with beautiful tiles 
to look like marbles and granites. The sooner this 
sort of thing is put a stop to the better. P. P. 

Longevity of Clergymen (.y'l S. iv. 370, 502.) 
lo the mstanccs named by your correspondents 
you may add the following : — The Rev. AVilliam 
Kirby, the celebrated entomologist, was rector of 
Barham in Suffolk, sixty-eight years, and died 
July 4, 18o0, in the ninety-first year of his a-e. 
^Lije, by Lreeujan, p. 505.) 

Dr. William Wall, the a- 

Infant Baptism, was vipnv 

History of 
of Shoreham, in Kent, 

fatty-three, and died January 13, 1727-8 


eighty-two years, (Hook 


) Dr. Wall was sue- 

V^i'p'''' ^■'?''-''f " ."'■. ?!"»•«'•»"' I'J •I'e Rev; 


in! ^V' //^^' ""^^'^ ninety-two yeai. 


Jmniediatfcly following the 

) The case of two flpvfrv.Y^o« , 


officiating i-„ tUe sanTe-pari:!, "foTthtltcelfonl 
hundred and two ve year,, !, . lengtr^? tZl 



and the prices in manuscript. There were many 
purchasers of the works of the above flower- 



them are the names of Lady 

Weymouth, who bought sixty-two pieces, I 
Stamford twenty, Lord Brownlow twenty-seven, 
Wedgewood (the potter) eighty, Lord Parker 
nine. Walker 

ninety-two, Shepherd fifty-one, 
Morrison thirty-six, and many others. I find the 
prices varied from \L ^s. to 8Z. 18a\ Qd. the lot of 
four paintings. The celebrated Wedgewood was 
a purchaser of prints and other things at thissale.^ 
and the following note in the catalogue regarding 
his bidding for the Barbeiini Vase may not be 
unacceptable : — ^' 1029Z., bought for the Duke of 
Portland; cost the Duchess 1300/. Mem., the 
contest for the vase was between his Grace and 




On his Grace askin 


, -,--_, 'He 

was determined to have it, unless his Grace per- 
mitted him to take a mould from it for his pottery, 
as he wished to possess every rare specimen of art 
that could be attained ; ' on which his Grace o-ave 
Wedgewood his consent, and the vase was knocked 
down, and immediately put into the hands of Mr. 
Wedgewood, who has moulded from the same in 
imitation of bronze, &c." 

„ ]f Porcelain^ 

states It was knocked down to the Duchess at 
1800/., whereas my Catalogue states 1029/. Which 



is correct ? 

Rev. Thomas Craig (3 



Rev. Thomas Craig, minister of the Associate 
Congregation of Whitby, 1789, who published 
Three Sermons on Important Subjects, Whitby, 
1791, of the time of whose death your correspon- 



^ , . wishes to be informed, was my 

lather. He died in the year 1799. 

Thomas Cbaig, 

bixty-one years Pastor of the Congregational 




Church at Bockinir. 

Dr. David Lamokt (S-''^ S. ... ^^^.^ ^^ 

David Lamont, about the date of whose death 

rn /i, Z'"''^.^',"''!''''"^' "^'^^ ^" 1837. I cannot 
tell the day of the year, but that may, I suppose, 

be had, from any contemporary local newspaper. 
He was Moderator of the General Assembly of 
the Church of Scotland in 1822, and preached be- 
fore Kmg George IV. in the High ChurcH of 
i^.dinburgh, on the forenoon of August 25, same 



4 J ' 

iiAPTisMAL Names (3'^ S. iii. 328 ; iv. 508.) 
i should^ say that in case of any objectionable 
name bemg g.yen at the font, such as those cited 
at p. di8, vol. ni., a refusal might be made to bap- 
tise on the ground of the sponsors attemptincr to 
throw scorn, and to bring contempt, i.pon so 
fl^'^I'v^'' office of the church. 1 very^ much 
doubt, however, whether any clergyman could re. 
tuse to give such a name as " Bessie." In one re- 





3'dS. V. Jan.?, -64.] 



gister I have seen tbe name *' Bob" recorded, and 
a clergyman of ray acquaintance baptised one of 
Lis own children by the name "Tom." "Kate," 
too, is of frequent occurrence. Whether Sir 
Thomas Dick Lauder's second name was a sur- 
name, or an abbreviation of Richard, I cannot 


318.) — I have no 


Tydides (3^^ S. iv. 139, 318 
conjecture as to who or what is intended l>y 
" Tydides;" but a hint or two may put others in 
the way which I cannot find. Of course the hca:l 

of the clei^ical Melanippus on the table is lliat of 
some clergyman ill-used by his bishop, — perhaps 
his preferment eaten up. For the meal of Tydeus, 




The "blazon" of Tydeus is given by iEschylus : 

i^K^yovO vTv aarpoLS ovpavhv r^rvyixevov * 

IIp^a§t(rroy Ixcrrpoju^ iwicrhs 6(p6a\/iihs Trp^irei, 

Septeai contra 77iedas, v. 389. 

Tydides has added to the arms of Tydeus, 
Gwillim says : — 

** He beareth azure, the sun, the full moon, and the 
seven starres, or; the two first in chiefe, and the last 
of orbicular form in h:we. It is said that this coate 
armour pertained to Johannes de Fontibus, sixth bishop 
of Ely, Avho had that (after a sorte) in his escutcheon 
which Joseph had in his dream." — Gwillim, Display oj 



Was any bishop of Ely, about a century ago, 
charored (after a sorte) with ecclesiastical can- 

nibalism ? 
U. U. Club. 

n. B. c. 

CAPNOBATiE (3"^ S. iv. 497.) — The only in- 
formation I am aware of, respectin;^ the Capno- 
bata3, is in the French translation of Strabo, where 
it is su<i*;ested that intoxication by inhaling smoke 
and using the vapour of linseed as a bath are 
intended by that designation, referring to He- 
rodotus (i. 202, iv. 75). AVith due submission, 
I think this very doubtful. Strabo, in the section 
previous to the mention of the Capnobatae (vir. 
111. 2), refers to the Hippemolgi (milkers of 

(people who live on milk), 


Abii (people devoid of riches), Hamaxoeci (d 
lers in waggons) ; and in the two foll< 
tions he mentions the Capnobatas (p 
cover the smoke), who are described as religious 
(06o(re§6ry), and abstaining from animal food (e^- 
i//ux^v), but who lived in a quiet way on honey, 
milk, and cheese. They were also remarkable 
(Strabo, vii. iii. 4) for living in a state of celi- 
bacy, which they also adopted from religious 
motives- The obvious inference, I C(mceivQj is, 
^at requiring no cooking, the Capnobatse closed 
the aperture {KattPoMnri) which served as a chim- 
ney, and thus received the characteristic descrip- 
tion of KaTri/ogc^rai, people who cover the smoke. 

Their resemblance to the Hindoos cannot escape 
notice : — 

*' Contrary to what might have been expected in a hot 
climate, but agreeable to the custom of ahnost all Hin- 
doos, one small door is the only outlet for smoke, and the 

onlv inlet for air and light," ("The Hindoos," L.E. K. 
\. 387.) 

Their state of celibacy also has its parallel 
amongst the Hindoos, who, by destroying female 
infants, augment the ratio of the males, and con- 
sequently of unmarried men, leading thereby to 
the legit imatised prostitution of which Ceylon and 
the Xairs of Malabar furnirsh examples. (7'A^ 
Hindoos^ \. 247, 285-287.) To remedy this evil, 
marriage is rigidly enforced by tlie Hindoo i>arent 
on his child, even prior to maturity, and the 
widower speedily provides himself with another 
wife. (7^/. i. 284.) The geographical connection 
is thus shown : '^ Tartary, or the environs of 
Mount Caucasus, is the original natal soil of the 



chain reaches to 

the east shore of the Euxine, Avhilst the IMysii or 
Moesi, amongst whom the Capnobata^ are found, 
occupy the south-western and western coasts of 
the same sea. The lin^j^uistic connection of the 
Hindoos, the Romans and Greeks, is well ascer- 
tained. This brief notice of the Caj)nobata3, which 
Strabo extracts from Posidonius (a teacher of 
Cicero), is an historical trace of what has been 
called the Thraco-Pelasgian origin of the Greeks. 


Joseph Washington Q^^ S. iv. 516.) 


— H 

died a year later than is stated in the reply to 
C. J. K., as his will was dated Feb. 25, and 
proved April 7, 1693-4. He describes himself 
as, not of Gl ray's Inn, but '' of the Mid' lie Temple, 
Gentleman." If he had a son John, he was probably- 
dead at the date of his will, for he provides for 
his '^ only daughter Mai^y," and then leaves the 
residue of his property to his son JRohert^ who was 
still living in 1703. The daughter, Mary, was 
unmarried in 1739, when she })roved the will of 
her aunt Sarah Kawson. The earliest ancestor to 
whom I can yet trace him positively was Richard 
Washington, gent., of co. Westmoreland, who, ac- 
cording to an Inq. p. m. died Jan. 3, 1555-6. He, 
Joseph Washington, is mentioned in Wood's Athen. 
Oxon. (ed. Bliss) iv. 394, snh, James Harrington. 

J. L. C; 

Handasyde (3^<i S. iv. 29, 95, 432.) —The will 
of the Hon. Major-General Thomas HandasyJ 
(not Ilandasyde), who died in his ei<i;htj-fifth 
year, March 26, 1729, is probably at Huntingdon. 


St. Neot*s. 

Early Marriages (S""*^ ,S. iv. 515.) 

I am 

much interested in the inquiry started by Vectis, 
and am tolerably well acquainted with social 



■[3rdS. V. Jan. 2, '64. 

science literature; but do not know that any ! marks in tlieir papers, has^ever been published; 
writer has entered upon a scientific demonstration 
of the postulate, that eaily nian'iao"es tend to 

purity of morals. The statement has often been 
made in fugitive essays, associated with a con- 
demnation of the advice given, and so often re- 

but the late Mr. Dawson Turner had collected a 
large quantity of specimens of old paper, which 
he showed me with great self-gratulation on his 
success in what he believed to be a hitherto un- 
pursued inquiry. He entered into the subject 

iterated by a certain class of economists, against ■^vith lively interest; had all his samples of paper 
early marriages. There have been as yet no data arranged in chronological order, and initiated me 

on which to establish it positively. The statistics 
recently published in relation to Scotland, show- 

^^ _____ 


births in 

established facts 

in entering upon marriage 
be a irreat evil. It docs not follow that 

ing tue great number of illegitimate 

excess over the standard of Ireland, and even 

England — when taken in connection with other 

will go far to prove that ^' fore- 
sight and restraint" 

early marriages are always imprudent ones ; but 
that doctrine has been taught to a most injurious 
extent. When this complex question is entered 
upon fairly, and the condition of Ireland con- 
trasted with that of Scotland, it will be found 
that^ great mistakes Lave been made in our in- 
vestigations, and that hasty conclusions have been 

arrived at. 

readily in the mysteries of ** Pot," " Crown,'' 
''Feather," and ^'Foolscap." I quite understood 
from him that he could determine the age of the 
paper by its texture and water-mark. Whether 
he contemplated the publication of the results of 
his researches in this line, I do not know ; nor 
have I any idea what became of his large collec- 
tion of old papers, which I suppose were sold, to- 
gether with his extensive library, and very curious 
and valuable collections in various other depart- 




Names ( 


A correspondent asks, how we are to account for 
the great prevalence of Pagan mimes in a Catholic 
country like France, if, as I had asserted, the 
Catholic Church so much disapproves of Chris- 

The wliole question is a most important one, ,- , . , . , - - , . , 

but to pursue it would not be consistent with the I P^-.-'i b^^pf'^mal names which are not 
objects of " N. & Q." I am now manipulating i ^f '^t'^"' and admonishes her clergy not to tole- 
the Statistical Returns of the Three Kingdoms'; i ''1^^ *'Af" • ^/^"^^^^'^' that the first Revolution, 
with the view of elucidatinir this subject. Vectis I '• '? <^!n-istianity was openly disowned, and das- 
will do well to consult Quetelet. In his Treatise '"'"^ ''.^ '''^''° affected in everything, will ac- 

(see Chaml)ers's People's Edition) 

count in great measure 

for the introduction of 

found some valuable tables, accompanied bv his /^'^" names; but it must also be remembered 

own remarks. Althcugh he does not enter upon 
1 hupiiry specially, his chapters, where he 
examines into the causes which influence the 


that many such names are also the names of Chris- 
tian saints, and as such allowable. The following 
occur to me at this moment: Achilles. 

- -- ■■•-^-^ ^.. ....x.....^,; ui^ , * „ T5 1 TT -r . T • ^^^^xander, 

fecundity of mai ringes, may be read with much i ti^ • iia^cchus, Horace, Justin, Leander, Lucian, 
advantage by those'who "" 

are interested in the 
suljject immediately before us. It may be well 
also, to consult Sadler's work. The Law of Popu- 
lation. Both these works were published before 
our Stat stical knowledge had assumed a definite 

form but they are valuable in every research of 
this kind. r^ g 

Revalenta (3^'^ S. iv. 49G.) — I remember the 
tirst introduction of the article now called " Reva- 
lenta." I knew the man who first prepared if, 
and advertised it under the name of "Ervalenta " 
It was then mciyly the meal of ground lentils; 
not of the Egyptian sort, but the common lentil, of 
a ligliter colour. The botanical name of the lentil 
IS £:rv>wi lem; and probably the name Ervalenta 
was found rather too transparent : and so, by 
transposing the first two letters, the article was 
better concealed, and some mystification gained- 
and the preparation is now named "Revalenta" 


'cian, Martial, Marius, Xestor. Plato, Pollio, 








Socrates, Valerian. F. C. H 

As Mad as a Hatter (2°^ S. iv. 462.) 
Although an inquiry respecting this simile ap- 
peared in " :N'. & Q." as far back as June 1860, 
it has not hitherto elicited a reply. The phrase, 
however, has now again come up in that very 
amusing volume, Capt. Gronow's Becollections and 
Anecdotes, 2nd series [may it be followed by a 
third!] 1863, pp. 151, 152 :— " on the subject of 

politics, my dear Alvanley, he is as mad as a 

One is at a loss to understand why a hatter 
should be made the tvpe of insanity rather than 
n tailor or a shoemaker; but may not the phrase 
in question be thus explained? The French 
compare an incapable or weak-minded person to 
an oyster : — " He reasons like an oyster" Qiuitre). 
i would suggest, therefore, that, through simi- 
larity of sound, the French Jiuitre may, in the 
case before us, have given occasion to the Eng- 
lish '• hatter." From " II raisonne comme une 

-arl^s of the old papV:Ser "and the wa?^^^^ ' th " "'^ ''Y^ ^•"."^^"^ " ^^ ^^^ ^ ^ ^«''-" 

, una ine water- I There are other similar instances, where sound 


S"-'! S. V. Jan. 2, '04 ] 



s followed ratlier tban signification. So in our 
vernacular phrase, "Thai's the cheese;'' i. e. 

That's the thing" {chose). 

John Har 






" Job a; 

lorrins" is of course an anagram of John llar- 
ison. What was the rehition of this person to 
lis hero, "Longitude" Harrison, and what led 
lim to adopt so transparent a device for concealing 
lis identity ? Job J. B. Workard. 

Stepmothers' Blessings (3'''' S. iv. 492.) — The 
roublesome splinters of skin, which are often 
brmed near the roots of the nails, are probably 
ialled "stepmother's blessings," upon the same 
►rinciple that they are called "back-friends;" 

►otii. . . . ' -„ „ -- 

F. C. H. 

expressions designating something odious, 
nd bringing no good. 


Nose" (3 


) — An edition 

)y M. Louis du Bois in 1821, together Avith some 
!?orman songs o^ the fifteenth century from a 
^S. till then unedited. Job J. B. Workard. 

Jane the Fool (3 


) — Some 

»f the entries relating to this person in Sir F. 
i-Iadden's edition of the Privy Pui-se Expenses of 
he Princess Mary would seem to suggest that she 
(ras the victim of mental disease. The first entry 
n which she is mentioned bears date 1537. In 
543, in four successive months, March, April, 
Jlay, and June, there is a charge of 4^. per month 
or shaving her head. In July there is a charge 
or 22.9. Qd. paid to her during sickness. In 
August, her head is again shaved. In the suc- 

leeding January, the charge for shaving her head 
s 8t/., and a like entry appears in July, August, 
-nd Sei)tember, 1544. All the other entries' re- 
erring to her are for clothing. In 1556, she had 
ome disorder of the eye. Is there anything to 

how that she acted as a jester ? 

Job J. B. Workard. 

Earthenware Vessels found in Churches 



1" and 2""* S. /;«.?sm.)— Numerous communica- 
ions have appeared in the P* and 2"** Series of 
' N. & Q." on the subject of the earthen jars, or 
)0ts, which have been found in several churches 
mbedded in the masonry, and generally under- 
leath the stalls of the choir. In one of these 
S. X. 434), I described a jar of this kind in 
ny possession; which was found, in 1851, be- 
leath the choir of St. Peter's Mancroft, Norwich. 
L saw several of the jars as they lay in the ma- 
onry horizontally, with their mouths outward, 
hough it could not be ascertained whether they 
iver protruded or .appeared in the wall. I gave 
in opinion that they might have been intended 
or sepulchral vases, to receive the ashes of the^ 
leart, or some other part of the body of the 
anons ; but that opinion I have for some time 
ixchanged for the far more probable one. that 

they were Intended to increase the sound of the 


Indeed, I consider the question quite set at 
rest by a recent paper in the Gentleman's Maga- 
zine for November last, where the following is 
quoted from the Chronicle of the Order of the 
Celestines at Metz, for the year 1432 : 

" It was ordered that pots should be made for the choir 
of the church of Ceans, he (Br. Odo) stating that he liad 
seen such in another church, and thinking that they 
made the chanting resound more strongly." 

It is added, that such jars have been found in 
several churches in France, inserted horizontally 
in the wall, with their mouths emero-inir. F. C. H. 


St. Patrick, Apostle of Ireland \ a Memoir of his Life and 
Mission; with an Litrodnctory Dissertation on some 
early Usages of the Church in Ireland, and its historical 
Position from the Establishment of the English Colony to 

the present Day. By Jas. Ilenthorn Todd, D,D., ^c. 
Dublin. (Hodges, Smith, & Co.) 

Any of our readers who have ever tolled (as was 
lately our own fortune) through the previous biographies 
of St. Patrick, and tried to sift truth from fable in the 
A\M-itingsof Ussher, Ware, Betham, Lanigan, and Cotton, 
will appreciate the welcome with which we opened this 
scholarly memoir of Dr. Todd. The accomplished author 
has studied to produce a complete monograph upon the 
early history of Christianity in Ireland, subjoining be- 
sides some supplementnry remarks on the present posi- 
tion of the Established Church. He thinks it necessary 
to argue for the historical existence of the Saint, in oppo- 
sition to the ultra-Protestant extravagance, which would 
resolve the Apostle of Ireland into a mythical personage; 
he denies Patrick's asserted commission from Pope Celes- 
tine, as wanting authority to establish it, and scouts the 
later fables by which the Saint's real history has been 
obscured. He discusses the wholesale conversion of the 
Irish clans under tlie influence of their chiefs, and their 
relapse into Druidism after Patrick had been removed 
a useful lesson to our missionaries in tlie present day. 
lie examines minutely into the singular episcopate wiiich 
obtained so long among the Irish, and the multiplication 
of bishops wdthout a see, whose wandering ministrations 
were as unwelcome to the English prelates of tlie day as 
Irish preaching has since been among ourselves, lie 
describes at length the ancient monastic institutions of 
the country, which Patrick was so instrumental in in- 
augurating, and in connection with some of the monks, 
tells a curious storj^ of primitive copy-right law, which 
will amuse some of our literarv readers. St. Finniau 
possessed a beautiful copy of the Gospels; St. Columba 
borrowed it, and made a transcript of it by stealth. Fin- 
nian heard of the fraud, and claimed the copy as his 
own ; and King Diarmait, before whom the holy monks 
carried their cause, decided in Finnian's favour, w^ith the 
remark, " that as the cow is the owner of her calf, so the 
Book is the owner of any transcript made from it." But 
for more of this sort, and for a great deal more valuable 
learning, we must send our readers to Dr. Todd's in- 

teresting and scholarly volume. 

The Seven Ages of Man ^ Desci 
Depicted by Robert Smirke. 


The late Robert Smirke's Illustrations of Shakspeare'a 
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Letters of Queen 3Ltrgaret of Anjou and Bishop Bfching- 
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,^j,, T/fc'' Lines 071 a lU'ind Boy ,'' hjf Bohert T, Conrnd.are printed 

djnong his poems in Ayimere, or the Bondman ot Kent, 8vo, 1852, p. 195, 
The poem is too long for quotation, ■ :' • . 

Old Mortamtv. OhJ]/ one volume was pvhUslied (>/'Sepulc]irorum Tn- 
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Bom circa 1548; died in London, Jan. 1G34. 

In no published memoir of the life of this cele- 
brated divine, have I ever met with an account 
of his parentage, or the place of his birth ; the 
following notes, may, therefore, be of use to some 
future biographer, and save him^the trouble of a 
protracted search. 

The will of "AValter Travers, Clerk," was 
proved in London, at the Prerogative Court, on 
Jan. 24, 1634, and in a clause of it is contained 
tbis brief reference to his family : 

" My father dying seized of three tenements in Not- 
tingham, left the one to his daughter Anne, and the other 
two to his three sonnes then liveing, that is, to me the 
said Walter, the Eldest, John the next, and Humphry, 
the youngest," &c. 

Following up this clue, I recently found that, 
among the inhabitants of Nottingham chargeable 
to the subsidies of the 35th and 37th Hen. VIII., 
and the 13th Eliz., there lived, at " Brydelsmyth 
Gate, w^^'in y* towne of Notyngham," a certain 
" Walterus Travers,"* by occupation a " Gold- 
was afterwards lucky enough, at 



York, to meet with his will ; and as it, at once, 
proves that the goldsmith was father to the divine, 
I think I need not apologise to the readers of 
" N. & Q." for giving it in full : 

** In the Name of God, Amen : the fiftenth dale of 
September, in the yeare of cure Lorde God a thousande, 
five |hundrith, seaventie and five, I Walter Travers, of 
the Towne of Nottinghm, Gold Smythe, beinge weeke 
and feeble in bodie, but of good, sownde, and perfect re- 
membrance, thanks be to God thearfore, do ordaine and 
make this my laste Will and Testamente, in mann^ and 
forme foUoweinge : First, and before all thinges, I comende 
me into the handes of cure Lorde, who haste created 
and redemed me, beschinge the most humblye, for Jesus 
Christe sake, pardon and forgiveness of all my synes; 
asseuringe myself also undoubtedlie, as trustinge to thy 
promeys, lorde, which cannot deceave, that, altho' I 
be in my selffe most unworthie of thy Grace, yet, for that 
Jesus Christe, thoue wilte receive me to the. Not ac- 
comptinge to me my synnes for whiche he hathc suflfered, 
and fully satisfied thie Justice allredie; but imputing to 
me, of thie fre grace and mercie, that holynes and obe- 
dience whiche he hatlie performed, to thie moste perfecte 
lawe, for all those that shoulde beleve in hime, and come 
unto the, in his name. Withe faithe, O lorde, seinge that 
of thy goodnes thoue haste wroughte and planted in me, 
by the preachinge of the liollie gospell, I stedfastelie hope 
for the performance of thy promyse, and everlastinge 
lifFe in Jesus Christe. This blessed hope shall reste with 
me to the laste daie, that thoue rayse me upp agane, to 
enjoye that liffe and glorie that now I hope for. Thear- 
fore, I commende my sowle into the handes of God, my 
bodie I Will that yt be honestlie buried, and lade upp in 
pease to the comynge of the Lorde Jesus, when he shall 
come to be glorified in his Sayntes, and to be marvolous 
in theme that beleve; in that daie when this corruptible 
shall put on incorruptible, and this mortall imortalitie, 
accordinge to the Scriptures. And as for those goods and 
landes that God hath given me, I declare this my Will, 
and full mynde and intente thearof, in forme followinge : 
that is to saie, I give and bequethe all and singular that 
my messuage, house, stable, and gardens thearto belong- 
inge, whiche I latelie purchased of Thomas Cowghem, 
late of the saide towne of Nottingham, alderman, deceased, 
wherein I nowe dwell, to Anne Travers my Wiffe, for 
and duringe her naturall lifFe, and after her decease, to 
Anne Travers my daughter, and to theires of her bodie 
lawefullie begotten and to be begotten : And, for defalte 
of such issue, to Walter Traverse, John Traverse, and to 
Humfrey Travers, mj' Sones, equallie amongste theme, 
and to theires of theire bodies lawefullie begotten and to 
be begotten : And, for defalte of such Issue, to the righte 
heires of me the saide Walter Travers, the Testator, for 
ever. Further, I will that the saide Anne, my wiflfe, 
duringe her liflfe, and allso the saide Anne, my daughter, 
duringe her lyfFe, after the decease of my said Wiflfe, 

hnvinrrp. f.hA saidft mfissuap-ft and nremvses. shall erive and 



tributed to suche poore people, within the towne of Not- 
tingham, as they shall thinke moste mete and conveniente. 
Allso, I give and bequethe all my other lands, tenements, 

and hereditaments, not before by me given in this my 



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The issue of this 


was four sons 

Testamente and presente laste Will, to my said Wiffe , ,,r ,, , ,, 

Anne Traverse during her naturall liffe; and after her Elias, Samuel, John, and \V alter— who all were 

decease to my saide three Sones, Walter, John, and educated at Cambridge, and entered the church. 

Humfre'y, equallie amongeste theme, or so many of theme Elias Travers died rector of Thurcaston, Leices- 

as shal be then livinge, and to thcires of theire bodies tershire, in 1641 ; Samuel was ejected from his 

lawefullie begotten and to be begotten : and, for defalte 
of such Issue, to Anne Travers my daughter, and to 

of Thorverton, Devon, in 1646, and 
died soon after ; John was presented to the 


theircs off her bodie lawefullie begotten and to be be- vicarage of Brixhom, Devon, in Dec- 1617; was 

gotten ■ and for defalte of suche Issue, to the righte heirs ejected therefrom in 1646, and died curate of St 

of me the saide Walter Travers for ever. And I will Helen's, Isle of Wight, m 1659; and Walter 

that my saide daughter Anne peaccablie permytt and became 

Chaplain to King Charles I., was 


sented in succession to the Rectory of Steeple 

Ashton, Wilts 



of Well 

goods and 

suffer my saide thre sones to have and enjoye the saide 

landes to them bequithed, which I boughte of Robert 

Wynsell; notwithstanding anie bondes, or assurance 

thearof, heartofore by me to the saide Anne, or to her 

use, made. And for the disposinge of my 

chattells tliat God hatlie given me, I will that my debts 

be paide and my funeralls discharged, of the whole: and 

the resedewe of all my goods and chattells, gold, silver, 

plate, and howeslioulde stuff, moveable and unmove- 

able (my debts paide and funralls discharged), I give to 

Anne my Wiffe, and to Anne Travers my 

equallie betwixte theme. And I do make and ordeine 

the saide Anne my WitTe, and my saide daughter my full 

Executrices of this mv Testament and laste Will; and I 

make my wellbeloved Sones, Walter and John Travers, 

Supvisors of the same, to se the same justlie and trewlie 

executed, done, and performed : theis beinge Witnesses — . i j -> • 

Lawrence Brodbent, Esquire; the Queenes Highnes Ke- P'^' ^^ adoptmg a like method of imparting his 

ceivor within the Counties of Xottinghin and Derbie 
Thomas Atkinson — Symon Willson — Richard Ogle 
Arthure Francis — John Warde, and others." 


Somerset ; and dying, liector of Pitminster, 
April 7th, 1646, was buried in Exeter Cathedral. 
Of these four brothers, John and Walter only 
married ; one of the sons of Walter being Thomas 
Travers of Magdalen Coll. Carab,, M.A. in 1644, 
who became Lecturer at St. Andrew's, Plymouth, 
and Rector of St. Columb Major, from which 
living he was ejected by the Bartholomew Act, in 

Perhaps some Nottinghamshire antiquary can 
assist me in hunting up the origin of the old gold- 
smyth of '^ Brydelsmyth Gate," from whom de- 
scended so many distinguished men ? or can, at 
least, point to some class of records likely to bear 
fruit? If so, he would confer a great favour on 



H. J. s. 

" This will was proved in the Exchequer Court 
of York, 18th January, 1575, by the Oaths of Ann 
Travers (Widow, the Relict j, and Anno Travers 
(the daughter), the Co-Executrixes therein named ; 
to whom probate was granted, they having been 
first sworn duly to administer." 

Two of the three sons herein named, Walter 
and Humphry, entered at Cambridge, where 
Humphry became Fellow of C.C. Coll., and after- 
wards married, but left no issue male. Of Walter, 
the future Lecturer at the Temple, and opponent 
of Hooker, I leave the Messrs. Cooper to give 
an account, in their valuable Athena Cantahridg- 



took his degree at 

John Travers, second son, ^ .^.^ „„ 

Oxford in 1570, and was afterwards presented to 
the Rectory of Faringdon, Devon, which he held 
until his death in 1G20. He married, on July 25, 
1580, Alice, daughter of John Hooker of Exeter, 
and sister to Richard Hooke ~' 
Temple. This fact explains a 8.....„^v. ... „ aitcx 
Traverses Supplication to the Lords of the Council 
(Hooker's Works, iii. 557) 
Hooker, he says : 

•* Hoping toll ve in all godly peace and comfort with 
mm, both for the acquaintance and good will which hath 
been between us, and for some bond of affinity in the 
marriage of his nearest kindred and mine » 

Master of the 


Some thirty or forty years ago, this learned 
judge was travelling the Northern Circuit with 
one of his brother Judges of Assize, and it hap- 
pened that the business at an assize town was not 
got through till late on a Saturday. It was abso- 
lutely necessary to open the Commission on the 
following Monday at the next assize town, which 
was at a great distance in those days of travelling, 
and either for that reason, or because of the heavy 
usiness to be disposed of there. Justice Park 
proposed to his brother judge to set off late on 
the Saturday, and to get as far as they could that 
night, so that they might avoid the necessity of 
journeying any part of the way on the Sabbath. 
His brother judge, who was not so scrupulous on 
that point, protested against the proposal, and the 
result was a compromise, the terms of which were, 
that they should start at a very early hour on the 
Sunday morning, and attend divine service at 
whatever church they might reach in time for t^e 
morning service. It thus happened that between 
ten and eleven o'clock the steeple of a small parish 
church within a short distance from the high road 
was sighted, and the postboys were ordered to 
make for it. Thus the inhabitants of a'quiet 
country village in the Wolds were thrown into a 

f - 

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state of " intense excitement '^ by the announce- 
ment that " my Lords the Judges'' were coming 
to church. The rector selected a sermon, on 
which he rather prided himself; the churchward- 
ens dusted out the squire's pew, where their 
lordships might be the observed of all observers, 
and the rector's wife and daughters selected their 
best bonnets in honour of an event, the like of 
which had certainly never occurred before within 
the memory of the vei^y " oldest inhabitant." The 

jud_ ; 

state as could be mustered by the parish autho- 
rities for the occasion, and all went perfectly well 
and in order till the termination of 
Prayer, when the psalm was to be given out. In 
those days, the selection of the psalms was con- 
fided to the uncontrolled discretion of the parish 
clerk, who, when the tidings of the arrival of the 
august personai^es reached his ears, had become 
quite as much alive to the importance of the proper 
performance of his duties upon the occasion as 
the rector and churchwardens were. 
in the selection of psalms upon special occasions 
had been the Table of Psalms set out at the end 
of Tate and Brady's Version, giving alphabeti- 
cally the first words of each psalm. On 


His guide 



and concluding that the psalm, of which these 
were the opening words, must be an appropriate 
one, he gave them out, and invited the congrega- 

tion to join in singing the 58th Psalm, which they 
proceeded to do most heartily, being struck by 
the appositeness of the introductory Avords, and 
thus they sang at the two learned judges : 

" Speak, ye Judges of the Earth, 
If just 3'our sentence be? 
Or must not innocence appeal 
To Ileav'n from your decree? 

" Your wicked hearts and judgments are 
Alike by malice swayed; 
Your griping hands, by weighty bribes, 
To violence betrayed." 

And so forth ; with all the other denunciations of 

the Psalmist upon the unjust Judjjes of Israel. 
This • - -•>- - o 

Query i 

IS my Note of the circumstances; my 

they occurred ; who was the rector, and who was 
the brother Judge ? who, by the way, was after- 
wards heard to declare publicly that nothing should 
ever induce him to go to church a^ain with brother 




^Under this name, in the BiUiotheca B 
Watt has rolled two persons into one, I 



James Kirkwood. fhp minister of 

Astwick, Bedfordshire, and again returning to the 
tirst, all under the same headin/j. Misled bv this 

authority, I have only recently, on becoming pos- 
sessed of the several works of these Kirkwoods, 
discovered the confusion ; and as neither (although 
both arc of sufficient mark) appear in the new 
edition of Lowndes^ I venture a few jottings by 
way of supplying the deficiency in " N. & Q." 

James Kirkwood, the schoolmaster, was a very 
notable character. We first hear of him in 1675, 
when he obtained charge of the school at Linlith- 
gow ; leaning to episcopacy when the Presbyte- 
rians were resolved to extinguish it root and 
branch from Scotland, Kirkwood soon got into 
trouble with his superiors; and the struggle to 
maintain office on the one hand, and to oust the 
schoolmaster on the other which followed, must 
have made it a cause celehre in that quiet burgh. 
The clever pedagogue, however, could not hold 
his CTOund an:ainst the local maijnates, and the Do- 
minie was deposed. 

The litigation which arose out of these squab- 
bles is recorded in A Short Infoi^mation of the 
Plea hetwixt the Town Council of Linlithgoiu and 
Mi\ James Kirkwood^ Schoolmaster there^ whereof 
a more full Account may perhaj)s come out here- 
(fter^ a quarto tract of twenty pages. Kirkwood 
here intimates that he has a heavier rod in pickle 
for his persecutors, and, being of a waggish and 
satirical disposition, he carried his threat into exe- 
cution. Anion j; other charjjes brought against 
him was, that he was "a reviler of the Gods of 
the people." " By Gods," says Kirkwood, ^' tliey 
mean the twenty-seven Members of the Town 
Council, the Provost, four Baillies, Dean of Guild, 
Treasurer, twelve Councillors, eight Deacons ; 
so that the Websters, Sutors, and Tailors are 
Gods in Linlithgow," 

Tickled with this notion, and being bent upon 
ridiculing the magistrates, he crowned his con- 

tempt for the burghal authorities by publishing, 
in a small quarto, pp. 79 — 

"The History of the Twenty-seven Gods of Linlith- 
frow ; Being an Exact and True Account of a Famous 
IMea betwixt the Town Council of the said Burgh and 
Mr. Kirkwood, Schoolmaster there. Seria Mixta Jocis." 
Edin. 1711, 

which contains many curious particulars regard- 
ing the social and religious state of affairs during 
the contention for supremacy between the Pres- 
byterian and Prelatic parties. 

Our schoolmaster, it might be supposed, steered 
a safer course in his next appointment at Kelso. 
But, no : the same cantankerous humour brought 
about a collision there, and we next have Mr. 
Kirkwood's Plea before the Kirh^ and Civil Judi- 
catores of Scotland. London : D. E. for the Au- 
thor, 1698. Another quarto of about 150 closely 
printed pages, containing the story of his subse- 
quent wranglings with the Kirk Session and 
Presbytery there, in all its minuteness. Beyond 
what can be gleaned from his own words, I find 




[3^d s. V. Jan. 9, '64* 


but little recorded of this remarkable character. 
In Penney's History of Linlithgoicshire^ and in 
Chalmer's Life of Ruddiman^ he is spoken of as the 
first grammarian of his day. He frequently him- 
self alludes to the high repute in which he was 
held in this respect by his learned contemporaries, 
but I question if he is to be found in any of our 
biographies, or his name even to be traced in the 
British Museum Catalogue. 

In addition to that I have mentioned, I possess 
his Prima Pars Grammaticce in Metriim redacla : 
Authore Jacoho Kirkwoodo^ 12mo, Edin. 1675. 
With the Privy Councirs Privilege for nineteen 
years ; the Second and Third Parts. Editio Se- 
cuiula^ 1676; and All the Examples^ hath Words 
and Sentences of the First Part of Grammar^ trans- 
lated into English by I. K. 1676. Contained in one 


As with AVatt, my first impression on becoming 

acquainted with the names of these Kirkwoods 
was, that the grammarian and the minister at 
Astwick were identical, and that James Kirkwood 
was one of the rahhled curates for whom the 
government had to provide for in the south ; but 
a very slight examination showed this to be a mis- 


and we find that, while the 


battles with the 

schoolmaster was fijihtinff 
Gods of Linlithgow and Kelso, tlie minister of 
Astwick was engaged in England with his pasto- 
ral duties, and in connection with the Hon. Rob. 
Boyle, labouring to supply the Irish with a Verna- 
cular version of the Scriptures. The minister was 
however, also a Scot. He figures in Charter's, 
Catalogue of Scottish Writers as " James Girdwod, 
Minister of Minto, outed for refusing the Test." 
The only work of his which I have is, A New 
Family Booh ; or the True Interest of Families, 
being Directions to Parents and Children, &c. 
With a Preface by Dr. Ilorneck, 2nd edit. 12mo, 
London, 1693. A frontispiece by Yander Gutch 
in two compartments— the happy and the un- 
happy family ; the latter a grotesque representa- 
tion of the wicked parents, with a hopeful lot of 
seven children all in a state of inebriety, with the 
usual accompaniment of the religious chap-book 

the monster in the corner of the picture vomiting 
flames, indicating a family on the road to Tophef. 

Perhaps some other correspondent may be able 
to tell us what became of the restless gramma- 
rian ; and, if any, what was the relationship be- 
tween these two Kirkwoods. J. Q. 



"[usn woras h 
tner, dropped 

or in a great measure, their original signification. 


pleasing way in one of his entertaining 


The word "Wit has, however, been overlooked, 
and I have something to say, not in example, but 
in illustration of it. 

" Tell me, O tell," says Cowley, " what kind of 
thing is loit? '' a question I admit the propriety of 
his asking, for he defines it but by negatives and 

Every one concedes to Butler 

negatives alone. 


ivit of the finest quality. But this is in its present 



or affectation in another : and he who was styled a 
toit in the age of Elizabeth is styled a poet now* 

'^ Nothing," says Addison, '' is 
and so little understood as z^zY." 


says Locke, "lies in the assemblage of ideas, and 
putting those together with quickness and variety, 
wherein can be found any resemblance or con- 
gruity, thereby to make up pleasant pictures and 
agreeable visions in the fancy." Addison shows 
that any resemblance cannot be called wit: " thus, 
when a poet tells us the bosom of his mistress is 
as white as snow, there is no wit in the compari- 
son ; but when he adds, with a sigh, that it is as 
cold too, it then grows into wit." ..." True 
wit," says the same great writer, "consists in the 
resemblance and congruity of ideas, and false wit 
in the resemblance of words. Mixed wit, which 
we find in Cowley, partakes of the character of 
both, a composition of pure and true wit." 

I select a few instances of the use of the word 
ivit from the wo^rks of Dryden : 

" True wit is sharpness of conceit, the lowest and 
most grovelling kind of wit — clenches. . • . There are 
many witty men, but few poets. . . . Shakspeare's 
comic wit degenerated into clenches; his serious swelled 
into bombast. . . . No man can say Shakspeare ever 
had a fit subject for his wit, and that he did not excel. 

. One cannot say Ben Jonson wanted wit, but rather 

that he was frugal of it. 

Wit, and language, and 

If 1 would 

humour, we had before Jonson's days, 
compare Jonson with Shakspeare I must acknowledge him 
the more correct poet, but Shakspeare the greater wit. 
. . . Shakspeare, who many times has written better 
than any poet in our language, is far from writing wit 
always, or expressing that wit according to the dignity of 
the subject. . , . Donne was the greatest wit, though 
not the greatest poet, of our nation. . • . Donne's 
Satires abound in wit. I may safely say this of the pre- 
sent age, that if we are not so great wits as Donne, yet 
certainly we are better poets. . . . The composition 
of all poems is, or ought to be, wit, which is no other than 
the faculty of imagination. ... The definition 6f wit 
(which has been so often attempted, and ever unsuccess- 
fully, by many poets) is only this, — that it is a propriety 
of thoughts and words; or in other terms, thoughts and 
words elegantly adapted to the subject." 

_ > 

Twice has Dryden repeated his definition or 
description of wit; "which is not,". says Addison, 
I' so properly a description of wit as of good ^rit-^ 
ing in general. If Dryden's be a, true definit^o^ ' 
of wit, I am apt to think," Addison adds, ".that . 
Euclid is the greatest wit that ever set pen to . 
paper." .n f-;, ^ 


. s 'k, 


Jan. 9, '64. ] 




/^ Wit, in its original signification, Johnson tells 
us, " denoted the powers of the mind — the mental 
faculties — the intellects." The meaning has been 
greatly extended ; it has been used for imagin- 
ation, and for quickness of fancy or genius. A 
wit, too, has been called a poet, and a poet desig- 
nated a wit. 

Ben Jonson uses the word wit for verse ; he who 

possessed wit possessed the faculty of song. Shak- 
speare, Fletcher, and Jonson formed, says Sir 
John Denham, a triumvirate of wit. What is 
translated poetry, says the same writer, but trans- 
planted wit. Cleveland, wishing to express the 
rank of Jonson among the poets of his age, says, 


** Stood out illustrious in an age of wiL^^ 

Pope, alluding to the little patronage which 
poets meet with, speaks of 

" The estate whicli wits inherit after death." 

The mob of gentlemen that twinkled in the 
poetical miscellanies of the days of the Charleses 
are called by Pope the " wits " of their age. 

"But for the wits of either Charles's days, 
The mob of gentlemen who Avrote with ease." 

It is not poetry^ says Butler, that makes men 
poor, for men have taten to wit only to avoid be- 
ing idle. 

" It is not poetry that makes men poor ; 
For few do write that were not so before : 
And those that have writ best, had they been rich, 
Had ne'er been clapp'd with a poetic itch ; 
Had lov'd their ease too well to take the pains 
To undergo that drudgery of brains ; 
But being for all other trades unfit, 
Only to avoid being idle set up — wiiJ^ 

iDavenant has a great Nursery of Nature in his 
Gondihert^ and foremost in th 
has a band of pleasant poets : 

"And he who seem'd to lead this ravish'd race, 

Was Heaven's lovM Laureate that in Jewry writ ; 
Whose harp approach'd God's ear, though none his face 
Durst see, and first made inspiration, wity 

That King David was a wit, and wrote wit, 
sounds^ in an ear of the nineteenth century as a 
sad misapplication of terms. Yet in Davenant 
the word, m its old signification, is very appropri- 
ate, and very poetical. 

Such have been the changes in the meaning of 
of the word wit. Shakspeare was 

but Wordsworth would have dec 

■pliment to be called a wit in ours. Johnson's de- 
finition of wit is admirable :--"That which though 
not obvious, is, upon its first production, acknow- 
ledged to be just, that which he that never found 
wonders how he missed."* This is near the mark, 
but perhaps this is nearer':— "Wit," says Corl^n 
Morris,! " is the lustre resulting from the quick 

* Life of K^owiey, t^: -On.i 

t Essays on Wit, Humour^ and RaiUery/s 




elucidation of one subject, by a just and unex- 
pected arrangement of it with another subject." 

Further illustrations of the early use of the 


wit" might worthily find a place in the 
columns of ^'N. & Q." Shakspeare's daughter, 
" good Mrs. Hall," was (her epitaph tells us) 

" witty above her sexe." 

Peter Cunningham. 


A few months since an able, affecting, and most 
interesting appeal, in behalf of the Catholic Blind 
Institution, Glasnevin, in the immediate vicinity 
of this city, appeared in the Freeman's Journal^ 
from the pen of its present guardian. Brother 
Jerome Moroney. After enumerating several in- 
stances of the high intellectual attainments of 
which this afflicted class are capable, such as that 
of Didymus of Alexandria, who had among his 
pupils the illustrious St. Jerome and Palladius; 
Diodatus, the preceptor of Cicero ; Scupi Neria, 
who held a professorship in Bologna, wrote poetry 
in Latin and Italian, and was one of the most 
accomplished scholars of his day ; Salines, who, 
although blind from his infancy, was yet elected 
Professor of Music in the University of Sala- 
manca about the year 1713; the writer of this 
brief memoir — and to this I wish particularly to 
direct the attention of your readers — mentions 
that in the year 1542 Dr. Wauchop, 
blind from infancy, attained, as a divine and a 


scholar, such 


eminence, that he 


readily obtained the degree of Doctor of Divinity 
in the University of Paris ; attended on the part of 
Julius III. at the Council of Trent, and was sub- 
sequently appointed by Paul III. to the see of 

Now, being under the impression that 
blindness, as well as any prominent physical de- 
fect, constituted what is termed a canonical im- 
pediment, incapacitating the parties for the 
reception of Holy Orders, I was, I confess, some- 
what sceptical as to the accuracy of Brother 
Jerome's statement, more particularly as I could 
find no reference whatever to Dr. Wauchop in the 
profound and learned work of Dr. Lanigan, or 
such writers on Irish subjects as I happened to 
have at hand. At length, however, this worthy 
monk referred me to Dr. Renehan's Collections on 
on Irish Church History^ from which I make the 
following extract : 

" Robert Wauchop (alias Venantius) was appointed to 
the see of Armagh by Paul III. when informed of the 
death of Dr. Cremer in 1542. Wauchop was by birth a 
Scotchman, and although blind from childhood yet such 
were the natural powers of his mind, and such his perse- 
vering industry, that he distinguished himself highly 
during his collegiate studies, and easily obtained the 
degree of Doctor of Divinity from that learned faculty. 
Pope Paul TIL had confirmed the Order of the Jesuits, 
and selected Wauchop in 1541 to introduce that order 




into Ireland. In consequence, John Coclure was first sent 
to this country, and after his death many others, among 
whom was Paschasius, Francis Zapata, and the celebrated 
Alphonsus Sahneron, who afterwards attended the Council 
of Trent. Wauchop was shortly afterwards appointed 
to the see of Armagh, but it would appear he never took 
possession of his see, which was already taken possession 
of bv Dr. Dowdal bv the appointment of Henry VIII. 
His 'learning, pietv, and prudence recommended Inm to 
the confidence, and secured him the esteem of Paul HI., 
and so hiirhlv did that discriminating pontiff, as also his 
successor Julius III., appreciate his taste for business, that 
he sent him as their Legate a latere to the Emperor of 
Germany and to the Court of France, which gave occa- 
sion to 'the saying 'Legatus c;i3cus oculatis Germauis.' 
He also ?.ttended on the part of the pontitf at the Council 
of Trent during the first ten sessions from 1545 to 1547. 
After tlie death of Paul IlL, his patron, and the conse- 
quent prorogation of the Council, he started for Ireland, 
and subsequently retired to France, where he died in a 
convent of the Jesuits at Paris, on the 10th of November, 

Nov/ with reference to Dr. Dowdall, above 
alluded to, a few brief particulars may, en passant^ 
prove interesting. On the 16tli of March, 1543, 
died George Cromer, Archbishop of Armagh ; and 
on November 28, a mandate was i.<sued by Henry 
VIIL for the consecration of George Dowdall. 
He was consecrated by Dr. Staples, assisted by 
other bisliops ; but, unlike his suflragnn, neither 
the frowns nor caresses of the world could turn 
him from the path of rectitude and duty, as the 
following circumstance will satisfactorily prove. 

the first 



English Liturjjy was read 
time in the cathedral of Christ's Church, Dublin, 
on Easter Sunday, lool ; and in the same year, 
Sir James Crofts, the Lord Deputy, invited tlie 
bishops of the Catholic Church and of the Re- 
formation to have a discussion on religion. The 
prelates assembled in the great hall of St. Mary's 
Abbey, Dublin: the subject of debate being the 
Sacrifice of the Mass. The primate, Dr. Dowdall, 
defended the Catholic doctrines. His antagonist, 
on the irotestant side, being no other than his 
consecrator Edward Staples, once Catholic bishop 
of Meath.* Whatever may have been the rela- 
lative learning or abilities displayed by the dis- 
putants, there was no doubt on which side lay the 
prospect of worldly promotion. The result of the 
djscussion being, says Ware, that it gave to the 
King and Council an opportunity to deprive Dovv- 
dall for his obstinacy of the title of Primate of 
all Ireland, and of annexing it to the see of 
Dublin for ever. Accordingly, Brown obtained 
Letters Patent from King Edward VI., dated 
October 20, 1551, that he and his successors should 
be Primates of all Ireland. Dowdall, aware of 
the tone and temper of the parties he had to deal 
with, fled to the Continent and took refuse in the 


Edward VL died 

•e*s Bishops, p. 35 1 ; IMorau's Diocese of Meath 

in July, 1553, and was succeeded by Mary, daugh- 
ter of Catherine of Arragon. Soon after her ac- 
cession, Archbishop Dowdall was recalled from 
exile, and the title of Primate of all Ireland was 
by Letters Patent restored to hira. To reform 
abuses which crept in during the last two reigns, 
and to remove false brethren from the sanctuary, 
were the especial objects of his care. ^ • -^ 

Dowdall having now obtained considerable in- 
fluence in the government of the country, lived to 
see those principles triumph for which he suffered. 
He saw the seeds of true faith and Christian piety, 
planted by his episcopal labours, growing up into 
a rich and abundant harvest, and Providence 
spared him the mortification of seeing the crop 
destroyed by the political elements that shortly 
after his death checked their growth and threat- 
ened their entire ruin. Having held a synod of 
his diocese at Drogheda in 1557, he died in the 
year 1558 in England, on the Feast of the As- 
sumption, just three months before the accession 
of Elizabeth to the English throne. Vide Rene- 
han's Collections on Irish Church History. 

To return, however, to the special object of this 
brief communication. I must not forget, says 
AVare, that during the life of George Dowdall, 



conferred that archbishopric on Robert Waucop, 
a Scot, who, although blind from his youth, yet 

applied himself with that 

diligence to 


tliat he commenced Doctor in Divinity in Paris. 
He assisted at the Council of Trent from the 1st 
Session held in 1545, to the eleventh in 1547. He 
was sent by the Pope as legate a latere into Ger- 
many from whence arose the proverb, Leg'atus 
caucus ad oculatos Germanos — a blind legate to 
the sharp-sighted Germans, By his means the 
Jesuits were first introduced into Ireland. He 


m a 


1551. De Burjio, in his Hihernia Dom 
states that: 

" Pater Nicolaus Orlandinus e Societate Jesu Memorj3& 
prodidit, hac tempestate floruisse Robertum Iba) Primis^ 
virum insignem et super alias fulgentissinias virtutes eo" 
admiratione dignum, quod quamvis a puero fuerit oculia 
captus, nihil tamen minus claro mentis lumine haeresis 
furore obviam ire, laborantique insulas subvenire curave- 
rit, atqueejus J?o9a^M nonnullosPati'es Idibus Sept. Roma 
profectos & B. Igiiatii Patriarchie magistri sui docu- 
mentis in munere obeundo instructos in Ibernia. . . . 
multum opera3 impendisse. Post Eeligiosorum vero Redi- 
tum, Primatum ipsum qui Cone. Trlden. intferfuit, swctm 
Provinciam petentem, Parisiis in Conventu Patrum Soc. 
10 Nov. diem obiisse ea verba identidem proferentem : 
Domine, siPopulo tuo sum opus, ego quidem laborem non 
recuso; sin minus, nequicquam moleste fero ex hujus 1^- 
boriosissimje vita) prajsidio et statione discedere divino , 
tuo conspectu et sterna) quiete recreandus " f ' ' • v 


(torn. ii. lib. 3) 

us that he closed his career in a manner worthy of 


3'dS. V. Jan. 9/64. J 



his uniform piety, with the zeal of an apostle, and 
the resignation of a saint. The last sentence he 
%vas heard to utter was " O Lord, if my continu- 
ance here be necessary for the good of Thy peo- 
ple, I shrink not from the useful task which Thy 
will may allot to me ; but if it be not, I cheerfully 
yield up my station in this laborious life, that my 
my spirit may enjoy beatitude in Thy presence." 

Such, Mr. Editor, are a few of the leading facts 
I have been able to collect regarding this extra- 
ordinary man : one who accumulated a vast store 
of knowledge under cirumstances, it must be ad- 

mitted, of the most unfavourable character, and 
of whom it may be said — humble Catholic priest 
as he was — his history belongs to mankind at large 
rather than to sect or party. T. Mc K. 

A Passion for witnessing Executions. 
Looking into Jesse*s Life and Correspondence of 
Selwijn the other day, brought to my mind a story 
I have heard of a laird in the north of Scotland, 
who died some thirty or forty years ago ; who 
seems to have had as great a penchant for attend- 
ing executions as the witty George, and whose 
local standing would appear to have made his 
presence at such exhibitions a sine qua nan, I 
give the anecdote as I heard it, pi'emising that it 
may be relied on as authentic. On one occasion 
an unfortunate wretch was about to be " turned 
off:" the^rope 'ivas adjusted, and everything was 

with apparent anxiety, evidently for an addition 
to the spectators. Being asked why he did not 
proceed with the business, he replied, with a look 

The hangman, however, stood waiting 

of surprise at his questioner : 





is nae come yet!" The hangman's 
paramount desire to please the local dignitary 




Robert Kempt. 

Longevity. — As several instances of longevity 
have lately appeared in your columns, is it not 





son, who died last September ? He graduated in 
1804, and was elected Fellow of Clare College in 
1812: so that lie was more than half a century 
a Fellow of that society. J. C. Boscobel. 

Michael Johnson of Lichfield.— Besides the 
work cf Floyer mentioned in my recent Note (3'^'' 
S.^ iv. 459), I have found another printed for 
Michael Johnson. Considering the very humble 
way in which he carried on his business, it is 
amusing to read about his "shops" at three dif- 
ferent towns : 

i'apu.aKO''Ea(Tavos '. or the Touchstone of Medicines, 

w T. ^^ 5'"^ "^^^^ ^'^y®"" "^ the City of Litchfield, Kt., 
M.D. of Queen's College, Oxford. London: Printed for 





Michael Johnson, BookseHer; and are to be sold at his 

shops at Litchfield and Uttoxiter, in Staffordshire; and 
Ashby-de-la- Zouch, in Leicestershire. 1687." 

In the later works of Floyer, the name of Mi- 
chael Johnson does not occur as publisher. Trea- 
tises dated 1698, 1707, and 1725, have the names 
of London publishers only. Jatdee. 

Amen. — As an instance of the curious deriva- 
tions to which even learned men have been driven 
for lack of philological science, may be mentioned 
the notion of St. Thomas Aquinas respecting the 
word hi))v. That Father gravely states, in his 

Commentary vpon 

(xxv. extr.) 



woi'd is derived from d privative, and fxrju the 
moon, q. d. Sine luna, hoc est, sine defectu, puta 

solidum et stabile." 

W. J. D 

Ring Mottoes. — On a ring dug up at Godstow 
Priory, Oxfordshire. Date early in the fifteenth 
century, black-letter characters : 

Most in mynd and yn niyn herrt. 
Lothest from you ferto departt- 

On plain betrothal rings of the seventeenth cen- 
tury : 

I haue obtained Avhom God ordained. 
God unite our hearts aright. 
Knitt in one by Christ alone. 
Wee Joyne our loue in God aboue. 
Joynd in one by God alone. 
God above send peace and love. 

All exhibited by the Rev. James Beck to the 
Archaeological Institute, March, 1863. (Vide its 

T. North. 

o — 

Jouimal^ p. 195.) 


Charlemont Earldom and Viscount. — James, 
the '' volunteer" Earl of Charlemont, succeeded as 
fourth Viscount April 21, 1734, and was raised to 
the Earldom on Dec. 23, 1763. Francis, his eldest 
son, the late Earl, died last Christmas day ; con- 
sequently, the father and son held the Viscounty 
for more than one hundred and twenty years, and 
the Earldom for one hundred years. S. P. V. 


Anonymous. — Who was the author of a little 
treatise on Resurrection^ not Deaths the Hope of the 
Believer, 12mo, pp. 46, issued in 1838, at the 
Central Tract Depot, 1, Warwick Square, London ? 

Is this Depot still in existence ? 

Mrs. Barbauld's Prose Hymns. 

Of this 

charming little work, Mr. Murray has just issued 
a charmingly illustrated edition. It contains 
fifteen hymns, of which the tenth, eleventh, and 
twelfth are not in the ^' new edition, printed 
1799," though they have appeared, I believe, in 
some other modern copies. I have been familiar 
with the remaining twelve hymns for fifty years. 




other three have the appearance of Imlta- 
Can they be from Mrs. Barbauld s pen .'' 


tions. - , 

Or who is the author of them i 


Burial- PLACE of S 



Stnndin"- beside the ruins of a Scott 



Giants and Dwabfs. 

" N. & Q." inform me where I can inspect the 

best collections for 




church built in 1591, and talking with a friend 
about it, he mentioned that he remembered having 
been told by his grandfather, that it had been 
the custom to bury the still-born children of the 
parish all along the outside walls of the church, 
and as close to the walls as they could be laid. 
Any information as to such a custom will oblige. 

JL • XT • 

Churchwarden Q 

Considerable con- 

troversy has arisen as to the origin and; duties of 
the officer called sidesman, who is annually elected 
at the same time with the churchwarden. Is he 
the same person alluded to in the 83rd canon of 
Archbishop Whitgift, 1G03, which is directed to 
" the churchwardens or questmen 

Captain Alexander Cueyne. — Seeing that 

the names and addresses of those now livin^,_ their 
heights, weights, and ages? 


General Lambert. 


Medals of Thomas Simon, originally publishea in 
1753, mention is made (p. 31) of a medal of 
General Lambert. The medal, in silver, is stated 
to be in the possession of the heir of the family ; 
and, as I recollect, there was a cast of it in the 
cabinet of Maurice Johnson, Esq., secretary of 
the Gentlemen's Society at Spalding. 

Maurice Johnson died in 1755. 

Is It known what has become either of the 

orif^inal medal or of the cast ? 




A. A. 



correspondents) to assist me with information 
about Captain Alexander Cheyne, who died there 

about six or 




Captain Cheyne 

was formerly an ofTicer in the Engineers, and hav- 

commission, settled at Ilobart 

ins: resigned his 

Town, where he held some official colonial situa- 
tion, such as surveyor-general. I wish to ascer- 
tain the date of his death, and to be favoured with 
a copy of the inscription or any tablet, or tomb- 
stone raised to his memory. It will also greatly 
serve me if any account be added of his colonial 
services, together witli the dates and names of the 
offices he may have filled in Tasmania. 

M.S. R. 

Earl of Dalhousie. — At the contested elec- 
tion for Perthshire, in 1838, when the Earl of 
Dalhousie (then the Hon. Fox Maule) was un- 
seated by the return of Lord Stormont, it is said 

The Laird or Lee. — At a road side just en 

tering the village of Mauchline, in ^Ayrshire, 
there^ is a tombstone surrounded by iron rails. 

On the stone is the following inscription : 

"Here lie the bodies of Peter Gillies, John Bryce, 
Thomas Young, William Tiddison, and John Bruning^ 
who were apprehended and hanged without trial at 
Mauchline in 1G85, according to the then wicked laws, 
for their adhesion to the covenanted Avorke of Reforma- 
tion. — Kev. xii. 11. 

" Bloody Dumbarton, Douglas, and Dundee, 
Moved by the devil and the Laird of Lee, 
Dragged these five men to death with gun and sword. 
Not suflFering them to pray or read God's word : 
Owning the worke of God was all their crime 
The Eighty-five was a saint-killing time. 

"Erected by subscription in 1830. The old decayed 
tombstone from which this is copied lies below." 

Who was the personage here alluded to as the 

'^ Laird of Lee"? 

M. M 

Language given to Man to conceax his 
Thoughts. — " Language is given us not so much 



as to conceal our thoughts.'' This 

famous saying occurs, as above quoted, in one of 

Goldsmith's works {The Bee) ; but it has also 

that Lord Dalhousie retired to the Highland Inn, been traced back to South, the eminent divine, 

and it is well known to have been a favourite 

at Amulree, in the same county ; and that he 
there wrote the following, or similar lines, in the 
visitor's book : — 

" Rdected by the men of Perth, 
Cast on the world an ex-M,P. ; 
I sought and found a quiet retreat 
Among thy wilds, sweet Amulree." 

Is the visitor's book, referred to, still in exist- 
ence ? If so, where can it be seen ? I am told 

that t 

many curious stanzas and re- 


saying of Talleyrand's. 

aware of any other cCi^p^^^^n^v. ^ — 

the dictum in question has proceeded ? 

"Fais ce que tu dois,'' etc. — Can the famous 
old knightly motto, " Fais ce que tu dois, advienne 
que pourra," be '^""' — '^ — — -^ --xi -^?._ . 

variations ? 

assigned, on good authority, to 


ir readers 

om whom. 

I rather 

think the substance of it may be found in the 
works of some Greek author^ whose name I cannot 
however recall. It is certainly, under any circum- 
stances, a remarkable fact that three such totally 
different individuals as the before-mentioned, 
should have promulgated this Machiavellian sen- 
timent independently of each other, unless we 
suppose that Goldsmith derived his from South; 
but even then, how came the witty Frenchman to 
think of it, who most certainly could scarcely have 
been familiar with the writings of the other two 
persons designated ? And, as I have said before, 


3'd S. V. Jan. 9, '64.] 




be of very great 



Alpha Theta. 

ing in the first instance. 

[The saying has been traced in our 1«* S. vol. i. p. 83, 
to Lloyd in his State Worthies, Dr. Young, Voltaire, and 

Habriett Livermore : the Pilgrim Stran- 
ger.— In the year 1836, about the end of August, 
Miss Livermore came from Philadelphia to Liver- 
pool : from thence, she crossed to Dublin (through 
the night of Aug. 31), and then proceeded by 
steamer to Plymouth. She remained at Plymouth 
for some time. She called herself " the Pilgrim 
Stranger f and she was then on her way to Jeru- 
salem°in pursuance of what she designated to be 
a divine monition. She spoke of herself as being 
in some way descended from the North American 
Indians; and also as bein^ the daughter (or 
granddaughter) of " Lord Livermore, Attorney- 
General to King George III., by whom he had 
been honoured with an American peerage/' She 
said that Joseph Wolff was one of the two wit- 
nesses in Rev. xi., considering herself to be the 
other : hence, in her lodging in Plymouth, she 
placed Dr. Wolff's portrait on the wall, that the 
two witnesses might be together. After some 
months, she went to Jerusalem ^ and after a resi- 
dence there, she returned to America. She paid 
a second visit to Jerusalem ; and, on her return, 
she again stayed (about twenty years ago) for some 
time in Plymouth, and was again in London be- 
fore returning to America. Her opinions and 

professions still continued to be very peculiar. 
She absolutely identified Mohamet Ali and Na- 
poleon Buonaparte ; remarking, however, that it 
was very strange that there was a difference in 
their ages. Can any reader of " N. & Q." give 
information respecting Harriett Livermore ? Is 
she still living? And if not, when did she die, 
and where ? Did she visit Jerusalem more than 

twice ? 





In a letter written by Sir Walter Scott, 


t), he describes his state of health at that 

time, and says : 



able to walk more than half a mile on foot, or ride a mile 
or two on a pony, on -which I am literally lifted, while 
my forester walks by his head, for fear a sudden start 
should unship me altogether. I am tied by a strict regi- 
men to diet and hours, and, like the poor madman in Bed- 

'>f my food tastes of oatmeal p 

To what do these last words 'refer? 



1 1 - I 

Sir Edward May. 

The second Marquis of 
Donegal married Anna, daujihter of Sir Edward 
May, of Mayfield, county Waterford, Bart. I 

should be glad of any particulars relating to this 
baronet, his ancestors, or descendants. What 
were his armorial bearings ? Carilford. 

Cape Town. 

Kev. Petee Peckard, D.D., Master of Mag- 
dalen College, Cambridge, author of a Life of 
Mr. Nicholas Ferrur, published in 1790. I am 
desirous of discovering his present representative 
if there is one living, or, if otherwise, the deposi- 
tary of his literary collections and MSS. Were 
they bequeathed to Magdalen College ? J. L. C. 

Penny Loaves at Funerals. — A singular cus- 





torn was wont to prevail at Gainsborough, 

penny loaves on the occasion 
funeral to whomsoever mio;ht demand them. What 

And does it still 

was the origin of this custom ? 
exist ? 

Robert Kempt. 

Mr. AV. B. Rhodes, author of Bomhastes Fu- 
rioso^ died in 1826. From the obituary notice of 
the author in the Gent. Mag. he seems to have 
written some other dramatic pieces. What are 
the titles of them, and have they appeared in 
print ? R. L 

Scottish Formula. — Can any of your readers 
inform me when the following formula was first 
brought into use, and employed by the Moderator 
pro tempore in closing the General Assemblies of 
the Scottish Church ? 

" As this Assembly was constituted in the name and 
by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, the only King 
and Head of this Church, so in the same name and by 
the same authority, I hereby appoint the next General 
Assembly of the Church of Scotland (or Free Church of 
Scotland, as the case may be), to be lield on the ' 
day of May, 18 


Or words to this effect. 


Trade akd Improvement of Ireland, — I am 

now pursuing some inquiries into the commercial 
history of Ireland. I have obtained a tract of 100 
pages, An Essay on the Trade and Improvement 
of Ireland^ by Arthur Dobbs. Published in Dub- 
lin, MDCcxxix. It is full of Important statistical 
information. On the last page it is stated that 
" The rest of this discourse shall be given in a 
second part/' Can you or any of your readers 
assist me to the second part, or inform me if such 
second part was ever published? I think it will 
be the same Arthur Dohhs who is given in Lowndes 
as the author of a work entitled An Account of the 
Countries adjoining to Hudson s Bay^ in the North- 
ivest Part of America^ London, 1744. But no 
mention is made of the work on Ireland above re- 

ferred to. 

T. B. 

Wild Men. — What work contains an account 
of the sect who, durincr the last century, held 

evann;elical principles in Scotland, and were termed 
"Wild Men," and these principles themselves 

"Wild Doctrines?" 





[S^d S. V. Jan. 9, *64. 

General Wolfe by Gains- 


Portrait of 


from Hogarth to Turner (vol. i. p. 26), mention is 
made of a portrait of '' General Wolfe, m a silver- 
laced coat,'* and Mr. Thornbury has kindly re- 
ferred me to his authority. In the Catalogue of 
Portraits, appended to G. W. Fulcher's Life of 

Gaifisborough (1 

I have found, under the 

heading of "Soldiers and Sailors:" "General 
Wolfe. (Head and bust.) He is in uniform, and 
wears his hat ; the silver lace on which, and on his 
coat, is touched with great brilliancy. Possessor, 
Mrs. Gibbon." (Query, Gainsborough's sister?) 
Wolfe and Gainsborough we^e born in the same 
year ; and the latter, it appears, did not remove 
from Ipswich to Bath, where he acquired cele- 
brity as a portrait painter, until 17G0 — the year 
after Wolfe's death. From this, and other cir- 
cumstances, I think it improbable that the General 
sat to Gainsborough. However, I wish to in- 

quire whether any correspondent of 

N. & Q 

ever met with a reputed portrait of Wolfe by that 
artist ? And if so, when, where, &c. ? 

Robert Wright. 

102, Great Russell Street, W.C. 

*' Adamus Exul" of Grotius.— In 1839 there 
was published *' The Adavius Exul of Grotius^ or 
the Prototype of Paradise Lost: now first trans- 
lated from the Latin, by Francis Barhani, Esq." 
(Pp. xii. and 51.) This pamphlet Is introduced by 
a dedication to John A. Heraud, Esq., then the 
editor of the Monthly Magazine^ in the October 
Number o^ which, in 1839, this translation from 
Grotius was also inserted. In the preface to the 
translation, Mr. Barham gives a curious account 
of the original Latin drama of Grotius, which 
was not, it seems, included in his collected works. 
Mr. Barham concludes his introduction thus : 

" We may just add, that if this work should excite 
much interest, it is our intention to republish the original 
Latin — now extremely scarce." 

Twenty-four years, however, have passed, and 
there has not (so far as I know) been any edition 
of the Latin of this drama. 

Is the Adamus Exul a genuine production of 
Grotius? If so, why has it had no place in his col- 
lected works ? Is there any mystification about this 
book ? Where can genuine conies of ifc bp raph ? 



was the translator? Was he the editor of 
5 Ecclesiastical History^ published in nine 
Mr. Straker? What other works are 


there of Mr. Francis Barham? 


[A copy of the original Latin tragedy, with the auto- 
graph of Grotius, is in the British Museum. It is entitled 

" Ilvgonis Grotii Sacra iaqvibvs Adamvs Exvl Tragoedia 
aliorvmque eivsdem generis carminvm Cvmvlvs iconse- 
crata Francia^ Principi. Ex Typographio Alberti Henrici, 
HagiC Comitatensi, 1601," small 4to, It will be re- 
membered that this was one of the works quoted by 
William Lauder in his attempt to defraud Milton of his 
fame as author of the Paradise Lost. 

]Mr. Barham was the editor of the first recent reprint 


of Jeremy Collier's Ecclesiastical History^ 1840. (The 
edition of 1852, by Mr, Lathbury, is decidedly the best.) 
Mr. Barham's name is also counected with the following 

works: 1. The Life and Times of John Reuchlin^ or Cap^- 
711071. 2. The Political Works of CicerOy comprising " The 

Republic " and " The Laws," translated from the original. 

2 vols. 3. The Hl^rew and English Holy Bible ^ from the 

text of Heidenheim and the version of Bennett. 4. 
Socrates^ a Tragedy in Five Acts. 5. M. Guizot's Theory 
of Syncratism and Coalition^ translated from his cele- 
brated article on " Catholicism, Protestantism, and Phi- 

Cambridge Bible. — A Bible printed at the 
Pitt Press, dated on the title-page 1837, contains 
a preliminary inscription as follows : 

*'In consequence of a communication most graciously 
made by his Majesty King William the Fourth to the 
Marquess Camden, Chancellor of the University of Cam- 
bridge, the Syndics of the Pitt Press, anxious to testify 
their dutiful obedience to His Majesty's wishes, undertook 
the publication of this impression of the Holy Scrip- 

A copy on vellum was printed for his Majesty, 
the first eight pages being struck off at the Public 
Commencement, 1835, by the Chancellor of the 
University, the Duke of Cumberland, and other 
royal and noble personages. The Bible is a quarto, 
in a beautiful type, double columns within red 
lines. My copy was purchased at Sotheby and 
Wilkinson's, and I am under an impression that 
this edition was not sold to the public. 

What was the communication made by King 

AVilliam IV. ? 

H. T. D. B. 

[At the first commencement after the installation of 
the Marquis Camden as Chancellor of the University of 
Cambridge, on July 8, 1835, he and his friends proceeded 
to one of the press-rooms in the north wing of the Pitt 
Press, when the first two sheets of a splendid edition of 
the Bible were struck off* by the Chancellor, the Duke of 
Cumberland, Prince George of Cambridge, Duke of Wel- 
lington, Duke of Northumberland, the Archbishop of 
Canterbury, &c. On which occasion the Chancellor in- 
formed the noble personages that His Majesty, Williani 
IV., had expressed to him a desire to have a copy of that 
Sacred Book from the press which bore the name of the' 
illustrious statesman, William Pitt. See the Chancellor's^ 
speech as reported in the Cambridge Chronicle and Jour^ 
nal of July 10, 1835, This is the last edition of the Bible, 
in which the reading occurs. Matt. xii. 23, " Is this the 

Son of David?" instead or "Is not this the Son of 
David?"] . : ... •• .. 



S I 



3^<iS. V. Jax. 9,'C4.] 



Britannia on Pence and Halfpence. 


sliall be glad of any information as to the origin 
of this figure, when first employed, and ^ why 

Also why the fourpenny piece is the 

W. H. Wills. 


only silver coin which bears it. 


[The earliest coin we have been able to trace with the 
figure of Britannia is a copper halfpenny of Charles IL, 
1672. This coin was engraved by Roetier, and the 
figure of Britannia is said by Evelyn to bear a strong 
resemblance to the Duchess of Richmond. " Monsieur 
Roti (graver to his late Majesty Charles II.) so accurately 
expressed the countenance of the Duchess of Richmond 
in the head of Britannia in the reverse of some of our 
coin, and especially in a medal, as one may easily, and 
almost at first sight, know it to be her grace." {Numls' 
matCj p. 27.) Walpole says, he believes this was Philip 
Rotier, and that he, " being in love with the fair Mrs. 
Stuart, Duchess of Richmond, represented her likeness, 
under the form of Britannia, on the reverse of a large 
medal with the king's head." (^Anecdotes of Painting ^ iii. 
173.) In 1836, it was resolved to issue silver groats for 
general circulation ; the reverse is a figure of Britannia 
helmeted, seated, resting her right hand upon her shield, 
and supporting a trident with her left. " These pieces," 
says Mr. Hawkins, ** are said to have owed their exist- 
ence to the pressing instance of Mr. Hume, from whence 
thev, for some time, bore the nickname of Joevs. As 
they were very convenient to pay short cab-fares, the 
Hon. M.P. was extremely unpopular with the drivers, 
who frequently received only a groat where otherwise 
they would have received a sixpence without any demand 
for change. One driver ingeniously endeavoured to put 
them out of circulation by giving all he received to his 
son upon condition that he did not spend them or ex- 
change them. This had, however, one good effect, as it 
made the man an economist, and a little store became 
accumulated which would be useful upon some unex- 
pected emergence." {Silver Coins of England, p. 257.) 
Consult also Ruding's Annals of Coinage, ii. 385.] 


John Wigan, M 

Where can any sketch 

3 life of this distinguished physician and 
eminent scholar in the last century be found? 
He edited a m; "" 

published at the Clarendon Press at Oxford in 

1723. A John Wife 


New Inn Hall 




Robert Friend, elected to Christ Church as Stu 



sides Aretaus he edited Dr. John Friend's Work., 
and was the author of several copies of verses in 


Such pfirticulars, 



however, as I can discover about him are but 


[John Wigan, M.D., born 1695, was the son of the Rev. 
Wm. Wigan, rector of Kensington. He was educated at 
the Westminster school, and af. Thrisf. rhnroh n^fAr^ 

A.B. Feb. 6, 1718, A.M. March 22, 1720 ; proceeded M.D. 
July G, 1727. On Oct. 5, 1726, he was admitted Prin- 
cipal of New Inn Hall, Oxford, and about the same time 
appointed secretary to the Earl of Arran. lie was ad- 
mitted a fellow of the College of Thysicians, April 3, 1732> 
and settled in London. In 1738 Dr. Wigan accompanied 
his friend Mr. Trelawny to Jamaica as physician and 
secretary, and died there Dec. 5, 1739, aged forty-four. 

if the College of 


John Reynolds. — Can you furnish any parti- 
culars of the life of John Reynolds, Esq., Admiral 

of the White, who died in 1788. R. S. F. 

[Some particulars of Admiral John Reynolds after he 
entered the navy, are given in Charnock^s Biographia 
Navalis, r. 503. On the 30th of October, 1746, he was 
promoted to be captain of the " Arundel " ; was governor 
of Georgia, between 1745 and 1758; appointed captain of 
the '*Burford"in 1769 or 1770 ; removed into the "De- 
fence " early in 1771, which was his last command as 
private captain. On March 31, 1775, he was promoted to 
be rear-admiral of the Blue, as he was on Feb. 3, 1776, to 
be rear-admiral of the White ; early in Jan. 1778, to be rear 
of the Red, and on the 29th of the same month to be 
vice-admiral of the Blue. On Sept. 26, 1780, he was far- 
ther advanced to be vice-admiral of the White, and on 
Sept. 24, 1787, made admiral of the Blue. His death took 
place in January, 1788.] 

Richard Gedney.— Can you oblige me with a 
few particulars regarding the life of this juvenile 
poet ; the date of his death, &c. ? R. L 

[Richard Solomon Gedney was born atXew York on 
Oct. 15, 1838. At the age of two years he was brought 
over to England, and educated first at Chorlton High 
School, near Manchester, and afterwards at Cheltenham 
College. In his late jeavQ he manifested a strong par- 
tiality for dramatic literature; but, alas! this youthful 
aspirant for literary fame did not live to complete his 
eighteenth yean After a protracted illness, he died on 
July 15, 1856, and his remains were embalmed and for- 
warded to America for interment in the family mausoleum 
at Malvern Hall, on the banks of the river Hudson. See 
a brief Memoir of this youthful genius by James Ogden, 
M.D., prefixed to E. S. Gedney's Poetical Works, Second 

Edition, New York, 8vo, 1857^] 

Arms of Sir William Sennoke. — The arms 
of Sennoke, Lord Mayor 1118, are seven acorns. 
I should be gUid to know their relative position, 

and the tinctures of the coat. 




three, and one ; but in Burke's Armory we read, " Seven- 
oke (Lord Mayor of London, 1418). Az. seven acorns 
or, two, three, and two." Under the local name " Seven- 
oke," Burke gives " Vert, seven acorns or, three, three 
and one," as in Stow.] 



[3'd S. V. Jan. 9, '64 



word seems to express a particular or certain 
weight or quantity : thus, 7 wegh salts et dimidium, 
a weicrh and half of salt. Bosworth's Ang.-Sax. 
Diet, translates « wa?g, weg," a wey, weigh, weight ; 
"wegg, wgecg," a mass. The modern usa^e— a 
wei"-h°or wey of cheese, for instance— is also inde- 

finite. A reference to any authority where used 
otherwise will oblige. Gr- A. C. 

[The following passages in the " Statutum de ponderi- 



will explain as well as may be the question asked by our 

correspondent : — 

"Waga euim, tara plumbi, quam lane, sepi, vel casei, 

ponderat xiiij petras." And in another place w^e have 


Twelfth Night : the worst Pun. 


the amusements of Twelfth Night, did any one 
ever hear of a prize given to the party who could 
make the worst pun? Joseph Miller. 

[We never did; but we have heard many puns which 
might fairly ue admitted to the competition. We once 
heard of a prize offered for the worst conitndnuny Avhich 
was won by the following : 

" Why is the bellowing of a single bull less melodious 
than the bellowing of two ? Give it up ? " 

Answer: "Because the first is only a bull, but the 
second is a bull-bull" (bulbul, a nightingale). 

This was unanimously admitted by the friends as- 
sembled to be the worst conundrum they had ever heard 
and as such received the prize.] 

Portrait of Bishop Horsley. 

In any of 

the numerous publications of the Bishop, was 
there ever a portrait of him published in any of 
them, or in any contemporary publications of his 

time, or since t 

Geo. I. Cooper. 

[A Memoir of Bishop Horsley, with a portrait, may be 
found in the European 3Iagazine, Ixiii. 371, 494." In 
Evans's Catalogue of Engraved Portraits, vol. i. p. 177, 

are the following : 8vo, CJ. ; large folio, 5s. proof, 7^. 6d., 
by J. Green, engraved by Meyer; 4to, 2s. M. by Hum- 
phrey, engraved by Godby.] 

'\ Education.''— Who was the author of a work, 
entitled, Of Education, especially of Young Gen^ 
tlemen? My copy is "the fifth impression, Ox- 
ford, printed at the Theatre for Amos Curteyne, 
anno 1687,'' and has a woodcut of the Sheldonian 
Iheatre on the title-page. H. T. D. B. 

[This is one of the productions of Obadiah Walker, 
sometime Master of University College, Oxford, who' 


of James II., and abjured it on his abdication. Comi 


nials, Oct. 26, 1689; and Dod's ChurcJi ITistory, ii.3.] 



(3'* S. iv. 390, 435.) 


The notice of Collier's Short View In CoUey 
Gibber's Apology, led me early to procure the 
book, >nd its own proper merit and interest, to 
search after the works of those who took part in 
the controversy with him. One of these led to 
another, till at length — (in the way that Charles 
Lamb said that he had managed to acquire the 
wonderful mastery over tobacco, by which he as- 
tonished the weaker nerves of Dr. Parr: "by 
toilino- after it, Sir, as some men toil after vir- 

tue")— I 

In looking this over with the list of 
londent. I find that I am able to add 

the titles of the following : 

"Overthrow of Stage Playes, by way of Controversy 
between D. Gager and D. Rainoldes, wherein is manifestly 
proved that it is not only unlawful to be an Actor, but a 
Beholder of those Vanities. By Dr. JohnReynolde." Lon- 
don, 4to, 1599. 

"Theatrum Redivivum; or, the Theatre Vindicated, by 
Sir Richard Baker, in Answer to Mr. Pryn's Histrio- 
Mastix, Wherein his groundless assertions against Stage- 
Plays are discoveretl, his mistaken Allegations of the 
Fathers manifested, as also Avhat he calls his Reasons, to- 
be nothing but his Passions." London, 12ni0, 1662^ 
pp. 141. 




^' A Vindication of the Stage, with the Usefullness and 
Advantages of Dramatic Representation, in Answer ta 
Mr. ColUer's late Book, entituled," &c. 4to, London,1698^ 
pp. 29. 

"A Letter to Mr. Congreve on his Pretended Amend- 
ments," &c. 8vo, London, 1698, pp. 42. 

"A Further Defence of Dramatic Poetry; Being the 
Second Part of the Review of Mr. Collier's View, &c. 
Done by the same Hand," 8vo, London, 1G98, pp. 72, 

"A Representation of the Impiety and Immorality of 
the English Stage, with Reasons for putting a stop thereto^ 
and some Questions addrest [to those who frequent the 
Play-Houses." 12mo, London, 1704, pp. 24. 

*' Serious Reflections on the Scandalous Abuse and 
Effects of the Stage : in a Sermon preached at the Parish 
Church of St. Nicholas in the Citv of Bristol, on Sunday 
the 7th Day of January, 170|. By Arthur Bedford, lliLA.,'^ 

&c. 8vo, Bristol, 1705, pp. 4^ 

" The Stage-Beaux toss'd in a Blanket, or Hypocrisie 

Alamode; Exposed in a true Picture of Jerry — ^, 

a Pretending Scourge to the English Stage, a Comedy^ 
with a Prologue on Occasional Conformity ; being a Full 
Explanation of the Poussin Doctor's Book, and an Epi- 
logue on the Reformers. Spoken at the Theatre Royal in 
DruryLane. 4to, London, 1704, pp. 64. ,'/\^ 

[This piece was written bv the celebrated Tom Brown.T 

"The Evil and Danger of Stage Plavs, shewing their 

Natural Tendency to Destroy Religion, 'and introduce a. 

General Corruption of Manners, in almost Two thousand' 

Instances, &c. By Arthur Bedford." 8vo, London, 1706, 
pp.227. . . .;, .-., ■ 

[" As the eminent labours of Mr. Collier and others 



J I 




have justly alarmed 
endeavours may be 

further conviction," 


" A Defence of Plays ; or, the Stage Vindicated from 
several Passages in Mr. Collier's * Short View,' wherein is 
offered the most Probable Method of Heforming our Plays, 
with a Consideration how far vicious Characters may be 
allowed on the Stage. By Edward Filmer, Doctor of the 
Civil Laws." 8vo, London, Tonson, 1707, pp. 167. 

[This is the work of which the imprint is sought.] 

« The Works of Mr. Robert Gould," &c., 2 vols. Svo, 
London. 1709. 




"A Serious Kemonstrance on Behalf of the Christian 
Religion, against the horrid Blasphemies and Impieties 
which are still used in the English Play Houses, to the 
great Dishonour of Almighty God, and in contempt of the 
Statutes of this Realm, shewing their plain Tendency to 
overthrow all Piety, and advance the Interest and Honour 
of the Devil in the World ; from almost Seven thousand 
Instances taken out of the Plays of the present Century, 
and especially of the last four years, in defiance of all 
methods hitherto used for their Reformation. By Arthur 
Bedford, M.A., Chaplain to the Most Noble Wriotheslev, 
Duke of Bedford," &c. Svo, London, 1719, pp. 383. 

[In this very curious book, the reverend compiler has, 
with singular industry'', and, as it Avould appear, out of 
consideration for the convenience of lovers of obscene and 
blasphemous reading, produced a manual which saves the 
necessity of reference to our more licentious writers for 
the drama. Thus we are reminded of those Judicious 
editions of the Classics, in uswn scJwlariim^ so neatly sati- 
rised by Byron in Don Juaii, canto i. xliv. Very little is 
known of the Rev. Arthur Bedford; he was successively 
Vicar of Temple in the city of Bristol, and Rector of New- 
ton St. Loe, in the county of Somerset. He afterwards 
resided in London as chaplain to the Haberdashers' Hos- 
pital at Iloxton, and died September 13, 1745. His other 
works are enumerated in the Fly-Leaves, published by 
Mr. Miller late of Chandos Street, 12mo, 1854, p. 17G, 
1st Series."] 

"The Conduct of the Stage considered ; Being a Short 
Historical Account of its Original, &c., humbly recom- 
mended to the consideration of those who frequent the Play- 
Houses. *One Play-House ruins more Souls than Fifty 
Churrhes are able to save,' Bnlstrode's Charge to the 
Grand Jury of Middlesex, April 21, 1718." 8vo, London, 
1721, pp. 43. 

"The Absolute Unlawfulness of the Stage Entertain- 
ment fullv demonstrated, by W, Law, A.M.'' 2nd ed. 
Svo, London, 1726, pp. 50. 

" A Short View, &c., by Jeremy Collier." 8vo, London, 
17:8. " ' 

[" Containing several Defences of the same in answer 
to Mr.^Congreve, Dr. Drake," &c. I cite this reprint of 
Collier's original worlc here, in chronological sequence, 
as being the best edition, and the one to be specially 
sought for by the collector, as he will here have, without 
further trouble, the "Defence," the "Second Defence," 
and the " Further Vindication" in reply to Dr. Filmer.] 

."An Oration, in which an Enquiry is made whether 
the Stage is, or can be made, a School for forming the 
Mind to Virtue, and proving the Superiority of Theatric 
Instruction over those of History and Moral Philosophy. 
By Charles Poree of the Society of Jesus/ Translated by 
Mr. Lockman.'?, Svo, London, 1734, pp. Ill, 

The citation of the last two pamphlets has taken 
me somewhat beyond the Collierian controversy 
proper ; but they are not without value and im- 
portance as bearing on the general subject. 

William Bates. 



S.iii. 490; iv. 19.) 

games therein alluded to. 

Allow me to assure Chessborough that, to the 
best of my belief and information, I have not 
'' misquoted the passage from Justinian/' sent by 
me to your columns some months ago, in the hope 
of eliciting, if possible, an exact explanation of the 

I have since consulted 
several of the best editions of the Corpus Juris^ 
and cannot find anything to justify the substitu- 
tion of " cordacem " for " contacem ; " and, be- 
sides, from an extract which I shall presently give, 
it will be seen that the ^' quintanum contacem'' 
is quite another thing from the " cordax," with 
the aid of which Chessborough interprets the 

Among those which I have consulted I may 
mention the well-known editions oi Dion. Gotho" 
fredus^ cura Sim. van Leeuwen, Amst. 1663; the 
Corpus Juris Academiciim.^ Friesleben, 1789; and 
a modern stereotyped edition (1858) of the Corpus 
Juris^ originally prepared by the critical brothers, 

The passage I before sent to you was (taking 
the Gothofredan edition as our guide) from Code, 
3, 43, 3, in med. By way of further explanation 
I would take the liberty (assuming that the work 
is not in Chessborough's hands) of quoting a 
previous passage, c. 3, 43, 1, which has the ad- 
few notes (curd van Leeuwen) in 
explanation of the text : 

" Duntaxat autem ludereliceat fioj/o^oXou^^^ liceat item 
ludere Kopro/j.ovoPoXoi^'^^ kovtomov KovraKa, et item liceat 
ludere ^^ x^P^^ '^^^ 7rop7r7?y, id est, ludere vibratione Quin- 
tiana,^! absque spiculo, sive aculeo aut ferro, a quodam 
Quinto ita nominata bac lusus specie. Liceat item ludere 
Trepzx^T V, id est, exerceri lucta : ^^ liceat vero etiam ex- 
erceri hippice,^^ id est, cquorum cursu," &c. 

Havinsr before me the information contained in 
this passage, what I wanted was a reference to 
some work of authority containing a full and ac- 
curate description of the different games. If such 
a work does not exist, I reciprocate the wish ex- 

vantage of a 

pressed by C 

that some modern 

" 48 Id est, singulari saltu. 
4^ Saltu conto sussulto. 

50 Alii legunt /car ii^(/)aj,velCatampo, vol Catabo, quod 

genus est ludi Festo. 

51 Ab inventore sic dicta. 

52 Seu colluctatione. 


55 'iTTTTiKiT;. Troia sive Pyrrhica, curriculum equorum," 



[S'-J S. V. Jan. 9. '64. 

' -rr 

ould <^ive to the world the results of 


"Strutt w „- - . , £ M 

his researches in this neglected field. ^ 

A difficulty occurs in CHESSBORoroH s render- 
IriT of the "singular! saltu" a somersault; be- 
cause, supposing it to be a somersault, how, in he 
"salti conto sussulto " could it be thrown Avith a 
T5ole ^ May it not rather have been an ordinary 

' • ^ The note marked ^^ ^^^^ ^'ve 



ilying jump? 

CuESSBORouGii a better clue if he will kindly con- 
tinue his inquiry, and oblige one at a distance who 
has not his facility for reference and research. ^ 
What was the " vibratio Quintiana ? ' for if it 
was " ab invontorc sic dicta," as the note says it 




), it 


at variance with Chess- 

deep rows of the circus." 
be an exercise in whieli 


or five 

at some object, (lie kqvtus 

Would it not rather 

was hurled 
sine fibula/* 






rr to avoid dan2:er. 

I admit this to be an 

pecially of these works might furnish us with an 
explanation. We know that in the Roman chariot 
races the charioteers Avere divided into ditferent 

according: to the 
(v. Adams's Bom. Ant.) ; 

colours of their 

(^reges v. factiones) 

(/. alhd) 


(yeneta), the 


{aurea ct purpurea) 

(Bell. Pers. i.) 

exnlanation par hazard, and therefore will not 
stake my '' etymological sagacity" on its accuracy. 

The irepixvT^v was evidently a wrestling match, 
" cxerceri lucta," but of what precise nature still 
depends on some of your obliging; correspondents. 
I have no doubt that the " hipplce " was some 
modification of the " Indus Trojas," for, judging 
from the account given by Virgil (yEn. v. 545) ot 
that very intricate movement, it would scarcely 
have been worth the performer's while to have 
played for the single " solidus," which Justinian 

fixed as the legal limit. 

I find I omitted to add another game to those of 

" that in the time of Justinian no less than 30,000 
men lost their lives at Constantinople in a tumult, 
raised by contention among the partisans of these 
several colours." The constitution prohibiting 
these " lignea equestria," Chess borough will re- 
member, was Justinian's own : but can he trace 
any connection between the two matters ? _ 
conclusion I may add, that in the hope of satisfy- 
in"' my curiosity, I have consulted different com- 
mentators on the Code, but find that, like those 
on the Digest, they deal with the general subject of 
the " alea"" without specifying or inquiring into 
the character of the prohibited games. 



Cape Town, S. A. 


(y^ S. iv. 187, 233, 293.) 

I am certainly not a little surprised to find 
Canon Dalton taking up this subject in a serious 
manner, having always considered it as a weak 
which I before sought explanation, viz., what ex- invention of an enemy. Admitting, as we must 
actly were the " lignea equestria"? In the Code do, that St. Patrick was a Christian, a man of 

etiam ne sint equi (seu ( 
And in the " arunmentum 


common sense, and ordinary ability, the story 
) lignei," &c. falls to the }jjround at once. For, surely, it must 




**Balsamon notat de equi lignei significatione, incidisse 
apud Imperatorem gravem quondam disputationem, qui- 
busdam asserentibus ilium ludum significari, quo pueri 
extra circum aurigando pro equis hominibus utuntur ; 
aliis, vero, contro contendibus ligneam esse fabricain per 
scalas ligneas exaltatam, habentem in medio diversa fo- 
ramina: nam qui hoc genere ludcbant, quatuor globiilos 
(Vvtrsorum colorum superjiciebant ex superiore parte, et 
qui primus globulorum per foramina ex ultimo foramine 
egrediebatur, hie victoriam dabat ei, qui projecerat.'* 

This extract may assist in the solution of the 
difliculty, although, if there 

be evident to the meanest capacity, that neither 
as a symbol, argument, nor illustration, can any 
material substance, natural or artificial, be com- 
pared to the Divine mystery of the Trinity in 

It is pleasant to turn from this absurd, if not 
egreglously irreverent, story of St. Patrick and 
the Shamrock, to the charming and instructive 

was *' gravis disnu- 


legend of St. Augustine, on the same holy and 
incomprehensible subject. When this revered 
Father was writing his De Trinitate^ he one day 
wandered on the seashore, absorbed in profound 
meditation. Suddenly, looking up, he observed a 
beautiful boy, who, having made a hole in the 


tatio apud Imperatorem,'* as to its exact meaning, sand, appeared to be bringing water from the sea 
we can hardly now look for a precise settlement. ] to fill it. 
I have no access here to the works of Balsamon, 
who was a scholar and ecclesiastic of the Greek 
church in the twelfth century, and wrote Com' made 

doing, my pretty^ 

am going 

meniariifs in Photii Nomocanonem^ 4to, Paris, 

" Impos- 


Photius wrote his Nomocanon 


year 858 a.d. ; it was published at Paris, 4to, with 
a Latin version, by Justel, 1615. The latter es- 

are you 
child ? " inquired the holy man. 
to empty the ocean into that hole I have just** 

in the sand," replied the boy. 
sible ! " exclaimed the saint. " No more impos- 
sible," replied the child, " than for thee, O Au- 
gustiiie, to explain the mystery on which .thou 
art now meditating " . The boy disappeared, and,. 

% * 

^. I 




Augustine then understood that he had been 
vouohsafed a celestial vision. 

The earliest notice that I know of the story of 
St. Patrick and the Shamrock, is found in The 
KoraUy not that of JNTahomet, by the way, but a 
work attributed to the indecent scoifer and dis- 
grace to his cloth, Laurence Sterne, and runs as 
follows : 

" Explaining the mystery of the Redemption once to a 
young Templar, I happened to make an allusion, adapted 

to his own science, of the levying a finej and suffering a 

recovery ; this simile was repeated afterwards to my dis- 
advantat^e; and I was deemed an hilidel thenceforw^ird. 
And why? merely because 1 am a merry parson, I sup- 
pose — for St. Tatrick, the Irish patron, because he Avas 
a grave one, was canonized for illustrating the Trinity 
by the comparison of a Shamrock."* 

The various differences of opinion, respecting 
what plant really is the shamrock, are most ludi- 
crous. A Mr. Bicheno, a Welslnnan, I believe, 
discovered it in the wood-sorrel, Oxalis acetosella; 
and Mr. Redmond, who, at least, has an Irish 
name, follows the example of Moore, and calls it 

' But it must be recollected that 
Moore can claim poetical licence for his error, 
and does not fall into Mr. Redmond's curious 
confusion of ideas, by speaking of a " trefoil 



t That 



flesh is grass " 

we know, 

but Mr. Redmond will find a difficulty in per- 
suading us that all vegetable is. The plant known 
all over Ireland as the shamrock is, most un- 
doubtedly, the white clover, trifoUum repens : it is 
not '' peculiarly indigenous to some parts of Ire- 
land only,'' but to my certain knowledge is found 
in England, Scotland, and France- Curiously 
enough, in the last-mentioned country, it bears a 
a kind of implied sanctity, its common French 
name being Alleluia; while a kindred plant, the 
large clover, cultivated for fodderj^both in France 
and England, is termed Saintfoin — Foenum sanc- 

;Mn. F. R. Davies shrewdly hits the mark, 
when he notices the white clover as a sacred 
plant of ancient Pagan times. Almost all tri- 
foliated plants have been so. Pliny, in his Natural 
Histojn/^ tells us 

" Trifolium scio credi praevalere contra serpentimn 
ictus et scorpionura, — serpentesque nunquam in trifolii 

* From l^he Posthumous Works of a late celebrated 

Genius, Deceased. This rather rare book is reviewed in 

the Gentleman^s Magazine for 1770. My copy bears the 

imprint, Dublin, mocclxx. Some bibliographers have 
erroneously attributed this work to Swift. Tliis error 
can only be accounted for by the well-known fact, that 
as travellers not unfrequently describe places they have 
not visited, so bibliographers very often take it upon 
them to describe books they have never seen. [ Tlie Post- 
hinnous Works of a late Celebrated Genius Deceased, a kind 
o'* Shandiana, including also The Koran, is by Mr. Richard 
Griffith, of Millecent, co. Kildare. Vide Ge7it. Mag. vol. 
Ixvii pt. ii. p. 755, and "N. & Q." l*t g^ i^ 418.— Ed.] 
t Grass produces blades, not leaves. 

aspici. Prajtcroa, celebratibus auctoribus, contra omnia 
venena pro antidoto sufficere." 

These are very remarkable passages, to the 
comparative mythologist ; taking them in con- 
nection with the legends of St. Patrick, the 
snakes, and the shamrock. 

About fifty years ago, Dr. Driunmond, a dis- 
tinguished Irish botanist, found in the western 
part of the county of Cork, a variety of clover 
with a brown spot in the centre of each leaf, 
Avhich he poetically and fancifully named "the 
real Irish Shamrock ; '' this plant, however, is 
En<;lish, as -well as Irish, and I have discovered 

it growing, plentifully, beside the towing path on 
the Suri*ey side of the Thames, between the Cross 
Deep at Twickenham and Teddiiigttm Lock. 

As I have just observed, many tri-foliated plants 
have been held sacred from a remote antiquity. 
The trefoil was eaten by the horses of Jupiter * ; 
and a golden, three-leaved, immortal, plant, af- 
fording riches and protec^tion, is noticed in Homer's 
Hymn, in Mercurium. In the palaces of Nineveli, 
and on the medals of Kome, representations of 
triple branches, triple leaves, and triple fruit, 
are to be found. On the temples and pyi-amids of 
GibeKel-Birkel, considered to be much older than 
those of Egypt, there are representations of a 
tri-leaved plant, which in the illustrations of 
Iloskins's Travels in Ethiopia seems to be nothing 
else than a shamrock. The triad is still a favourite 
figure in national and heraldic emblems. Thus 
we have, besides the shamrock of Ireland, the 
three legs of Man, the broad arrow of England, 
the phaon of heraldry, the three feathers of the 
Prince of AVales, the tri-color, and the fleur-de- 
lis of France. Key, in his exceedingly interesting 

work, Histoire (In D 

- - - - J - - — M 

Francaise (Paris, 1837) 

ijives ensfraviufTS of no less than 311 dilTerent 
forms of fleur-de-lis, found on ancient Greek, 
Eoman, Egyptian, Persian, and JMexican vases, 
coins, medals, and monuments. Including also 
forms of the fleur-de-lis used in mediaeval and 
modern Greece, England, Germany, Spain, Por- 


Georgia, Arabia, China, and Japan. It 

also appears on the mariners' compass, and the 

pack of playing-cards ; two things which, however 

essentially difierent, are still the two things that 

civilisation has most widely extended over the 

habitable globe. William Pinkerton. 


For a good summary of the evidence in favour 
of the Wood Sorrel, see an article by Mr. James 
Hardy in the Border Magazine^ i. 148. (Edin- 
burgh, Sept. 1863.) Job. J. B. Wobkabi>. 

Callimachus, Hyvin. in Dianam. 



[3'd S. V. Jan. 9, '64. 


(y^ S. Iv. 529.) 
In answer to the appeal of your correspondent, 
C. P. L., I beg to inform him that Wangey House 
stands on the south side of Chadwell Heath, about 
two miles from the town of Eomford, but in the 
parishes of Barking and Dagenham. The present 
house was erected in the second quarter of the 
last century ; but I have a rudely drawn sketch 
of the old Harvey mansion, from the large map 
of Barking Manor, a.d. 1653. The Manor of 
"U^angey has for some centuries been held distinct 
from°the manor house and lands. The Harveys 
lived at Wangey House from early in the reign of 


of the family, and I shall be happy to give 
further information. Edward J. Sage. 

Stoke Newington. 

ViRGii/s Testimony to our Saviour's Advent 



S. iv. 490.) 

The exact words of the line 


when Alderman, afterwards 

Sir James, Harvey, purchased the estate from Cle- 
ment Sysley of Eastbury House— until far on in 
the rei<m of King Charles II. Of this there is 
good evidence. See Visitation of Essex, 1634, in 
the College of Arms ; Funeral Certificates, Col- 
le<^e of Arms : D:io;enham Parish Ref]jisters ; 
Karvey Wills at Doctors' Commons; Barking 
Manor Court Rolls, &c. From these and other 
sources, I have collected much relating to the 
Harveys — as a considerable Essex family. Sir 
James Ilarvey, who died in 1583, was father 
of Sir Sebastian Ilarvey, who settled at Mardyke, 
an old house still standins: near Dagenham 
James, who succeeded his father at Wangey — 
and William, who died, s. p. in 1610. Sir Se- 
bastian Harvey died intestate in 1620, leaving 

one daughter, ]\Iary, afterwards the wife of John 

quoted by your correspondent are not, I believe, 
to be found in Virgil. The line intended by the 
author of the Christian Mystery is doubtless the 
seventh in the well-known fourth eclogue, or Pol- 
lio, of Virgil. 

^' Jam nova progenies coelo demittitur alto." 

In the 




prefixed to this eclogue in 

Forbiger's Virgil^ Lipsise, 1852, voL i. p. 62, the 

writer observes 

^' Vaticinationem Sibyllas de Christi natalibus expres- 
sam esse, quam Virgilius ingeniose ad natales nobilis 
pueri transtulerit jam Lactantius, Inst. vii. 24, statuit, 
et Constantinus M. in Orat. ad Sanctorum Ccetuin, Eusebii 

librisde demonstrare voluit. Cujus 

auctoritatem qiinm dim plerumque Christiani homines 
(cf Werusdorf, Poet. Lat. 3Ihu t. iv. p. 767, sq.^ turn re- 
centioribus temporibus viri docti secuti suntplerique." 

And airain 

and d 

" Succurrel)at jam vaticinium illud vulgatmn de rege 
sive heroe venturo vel nascituro (cf. Suet. Aug. 94), quod 
sub Nerone iterum increbruit." (Suet. Vesp. 4.) 

With this of Virgil's, we may compare the first 
eclogue of Calpurnius. 


m. James Ilarvey had a very large family, 

ied in 1627. His stately monument, with 
its quaint inscription, still remains in the rector's 
chancel at Dagenham church. Samuel, his second 
son, who lived at Aldborough Hatch, in Barking 
parish, married Constance, daughter of Dr. Donne, 
and widow of the celebrated Edward Alleyn. At familiar to ray ears on reading it, and on referring 
his house, of which I have also a tracing from the to the fourth Eclogue, I found the sentiment thus 
map of 1653, Donne was taken with hfs last ill- expressed: 

In the mediaeval dramatic colloquy concerning 
our Saviour's birth, contributed by Mr.AVorkard, 
he says that Virgil gives his evidence thus : 

"Ecce polo demissa solo nova progenies est," 

but that he cannot anywhere find the words. The 
idea, if not the actual words, I thought, sounded 

ness. Samuel Harvey's children eventually in- 
herited the property of the family. 

Numerous entries of the Harvey family are 

scattered through the Registers of Dagenham, 
Barki - - " - ' 


~0 "* O 5 

Hornchurch. There must 

as the 

many entries also in the Registers of St. 
Dionis' Backchurch, Fcnchurch Street, 
town house of the Harveys stood in Lime Street ; 
and the earlier generations were burled in St. 
Dionis' church. ■- - - • 


I found about forty entries at 
The last, January 21, 1677-8, re- 
cords the burial of James Harvey, e^ent. 
had, not jnany years before, sold 


" Jam nova progenies coelo demittitur alto." 

This is so very like what is put into Virgil's 
mouth, that we may surely conceive the other to 
be merely an error of copyists, or a line written 
down from memory. Might not the Mantuan 
possibly, when summoned after so long rest, have 
somewhat adapted his metre, to that of the rest of 
the dialogue, and spoken thus ? 

the Wangey 


These brief notes may be acceptable to C. P. L., 

History of Essex 

" See, sent down from highest heaven, 
Wondrous child to man now given." 


r k 

Jos. Hargrove. 

^ They 

These Harveys mu^t not be confounded with the Har- 
veys of Chigwell, CO. Essex ; nor with the Herveys of 

Clare College, Cambridge. 

Richard Adams (2«« S. x. 70 ; 3"^ S. iv. 527.) 

Some light may be thrown upon his Identity from 
the facts, that the one of this name, who was the 
second son of Sir Thomas Adams, Alderman of 

Marks, an important manor house, which stood within a 
mile of Wangey. They were in no way connected with 
these families. 


are not, however, offered as a satisfactory account '''J 





3^d s. V. Jan. 9, '64. ] 



London,^ &c,, was born on January 6, 1619-20; 
and died without issue on June 13, 1661. He 
was buried in Lancaster Church, where there is, 
or was, a monumental inscription. He would have 
been only seventeen years of age in 1637 ; rather 
young to be the author of the verses in the Cam- 
' *' " • j^^ ^IgQ^ YxQ were admitted a 

Fellow Commoner of Catharine Hall in April, 
1635, he would have but barely passed his fifteenth 

bridge collection. 

year, me Messrs. uoopei 
babilities better than I can. 

J. L. C 

Thomas Coo (2"<* S. vi. 344, 375, 376.) — This 
person, who represents himself as starving in New- 
gate in November, 1633 (Bruce's Calendar Dom. 
State Papers^ Car. I. vi. 310), was of Peterhouse, 

B.A. 1586-7 ; M.A. 1590. 

C. H. & Thomfson Cooper. 


George Bankes (2^^^ S. ix. 67.) — We make 
no doubt that the president of some college, whose 
Common-Place Book constitutes MS. Harl. 4050, 
was George Bankes, Fellow of Peterhouse, Cam- 
bridge, B.A. 1597-8; M.A. 1601; Taxor, 1615; 
Vicar of Cherryhinton, Cambridgeshire, 1629-38. 
We have transcripts of many college orders signed 
by him* In 1633 and 1635 he adds president to 
his name. 

For the information of such of your readers as 

University, we may explain that in that College, 
President is synonymous with Vice-Master. The 
term certainly occasions confusion, as in one in- 
stance here, and in several at Oxford, it denotes 
the head of the coUene. 

not be conversant with the usages of this 

C. H. & Thompson Coopee. 


Quotation (3*^^ S.'iv. 499.) —In reply to your 
correspondent M. S., the lines he alludes to must, 
I imagine, be these : 

" Tender-handed stroke a nettle. 
And it stings you for your pains ; 
Grasp it like a man of mettle, 
And it soft as silk remains. 

"Thus it is with vulgar natures. 
Use them kindly they rebel ; 
But be rough as nutmeg-graters, 
And the rogues obey you well." 

The author was Aaron Hill, and they will be 
found at p, 822 of the Elegant Extracts. W. 

Sir Nicholas Throgmorton (3"^^ S. iv. 454.) 
I find in Nichols's Progresses of Queen Elizabeth, 
vol. i. p. 215, mention made of a Sir Nicholas 
Throcmorton, Knight, as having received the 
degree of Master of Arts at a convocation held at 
Oxford, Sept. 6, 15G6." A note at the foot of the 
page referring to the convocation gives its place 
in the Calendar, viz., Fasti Oxon. vol. i. col. TOO, 
Perhaps this may be of some assistance to the re- 
searches of Mr. Theobald Smid. Various other 
members, I should suppose of the same family, 

with variously spelled names, may be found in 
the same book at the following pages : — vol. i. 
pp. 192, 197 note, 534; vol. ii. pp. 73, 86, 

K. R. C. 

Pen-tooth (3"^** S. iv. 491.) — I am inclined to 
think that the Huntinudonshire labourer meant 

piiij though he said pen-tooth : for the e and i are 
very much confounded in the eastern counties, 
and very likely so in the bordering county of 
Huntingdon. In Norfolk, a person will speak of 
a pill when he means a pen for sheep, or cattle ; 
and a ^^w-tooth was probably a pin-tooth (a ca- 
nine tooth), which is more sharp-pointed than our 
other teeth. Thus the uvula^ in Norfolk, is called 
the pin of the throat ; and Shakspeare speaks of 
the pin^ or point of the heart. F. C. H. 

Margaret Fox (3^^ S. iv. 137.) — The follow- 
ing are the arms of her first husband, of the name 
of Fell, of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields, Middlesex, 
granted Jan. 9, 1772 : Ar. three lozenges in fesse 
vert- between as many damask roses ppr. seeded 
or barbed of the second. Crest^ out of a mural 
coronet, gu. a dexter arm embowed in armour, 
ppr. garnished or, holding in the hand ppr. a tilt- 
ing spear of the last. Durham. 

Frith (S'*** S. iv. 478), in the Weald of Kent? 
where also it signifies a wood, is pronounced 
"fright." This is another of the singularities of 
pronunciation peculiar to that county, derived, 
probably, from their ancestors, the Jutes. Thus, 
a ditch, or dyke, is called a " dick." It seems not 
unlikely that such variations may throw light on 
the original languages, or dialects, of the Angles, 
Jutes, and Saxons. The word " burh," variously 
pronounced " borough," " burgh," and " bury," is 
an instance which has already been given. Can 
your readers furnish more. They might be of great 

service to the philologer. 



A. A. 

) — Our best 

thanks are due to your correspondents; for, in all 
archaiological investigations the most valuable in- 
formation we can have, next to the proof of what 
a thing really is^ is the being assured of what it is 
not it seems pretty clear that tedded grass is 
that first shaken out of the swath. Now what are 
tods of grass ; surely the weight of less than half a 
truss of hay would have been in those times a very 
inconsiderable remuneration. Are the tods the 
hay-cocks ? I should explain my reason for this 
query is, that an answer may throw some light on 


A. A. 

in the middle ages. 
Poets' Corner. 

Pew Rents {^'^ S. iv. 373, 443.) — Your cor- 
respondents are really in error when they suppose 
that before the Reformation there were no pews 
nor pew rents. This is one of the very things ob- 
jected against the Romanist party by Bishop Bale 




[S'-'i S- V. Jan. 9, '64. 



550), B b viii. 

recto. Among other things he enumerates, 

"All slnynes, images, church-stoles, and/;e?re.s that are 
well pnyed for, all banner staves, Pater-noster scores, and 
paces of the holy crosse.'* 

I say nothing of the spirit or taste wliich per- 
vades the work, but it is impossible tliat sucli 
things as pews and pew rents could have entered 

into the bishop's head if they never existed. The 

first edition is phiced 

AVatt 1550, only two 

years after Grafton printed the first Primer, and 
long before the Reformation had tinie to influ- 
ence the '^manners and customs" of the people. 

A. A. 


Longevity of Clergymen (3^'* S. v. 22.) — The 

Rev. Peter Young, minister of Wigton, was ap- 
pointed to that cliargc in 1709, and is now the 
only minister In the Church of Scotland who 
dates from the last century. G. 

May: Tri-Milchi {Z'^ S. iv. 516.)— As an 
ilhistration of the milk-producing qualities of the 
month of j\Iay, I may mention tiiat when my 
housekeeper expressed surprise to the fish boy, 
who brought her shrimps one May morning, that 
they were so early, he answered: '' Oh, yes, ma'am, 
shrimps ahvays come in in May with the fresh 




PiroLEYs (3^^ S. V. 120 





clearly the Fulas, otherwise called Fulani, or Fel- 
latahs. The description of their character by 
Edward Cave, in 1733, is singularly in accordance 
with what modern travellers have stated of them. 
The works of Clapperton and Dr. Barth should be 
consulted by E. II. A., if he is curious to learn 
more. F, G^ 


Tike Life and Correspondence of George Calixtus, Lutheran 
Abf}ot of Konigalmtter, and Professor Priniarhis in the 
University of HebnstadL By the liev. \V. C. Dowdinir, 

M.A. (J. H. &. Jas. Parker.) 

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a man as ever breathed. And we hope our readers will 
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schools — of conversions to Rome among his old fellow- 
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Irofessor— of the thirty years' war scattering his 600 
academics to the winds — of the abortive conference at 
1 horn —of his yearnings and strivings to heal over the 
wounds of disunited Christendom. It is a touchinp- 
story; troubles abroad, but peace always at the heart' 
It 13 a biography which will always be profitable to the 
thoughtful reader. Just now it possesses an additional 
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item and Sleswig, which ^fr. Dowding puts well before 
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Narratives of the Expulsion of the English from Normandy, 
]MCCCCXLix — MCCCOL. Rohevtus Blondellus de Reduc- 
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the causes which led to the expulsion of the English from 
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In two chapters of the eighth and last pub- 
lished volume of his History of England^ Mr. 
Froude has sketched the leading events of the 
struggle with Shane O'Neill at the commencement 
of Elizabeth's reign ; but the theme was worthy 
of a much larger space, and indeed required an 
ampler treatment, to render it intelligible to Eng- 
lish readers. In that struggle the Scots formed a 
principal element, and, in connection with their 
settlements in Ulster during the fifteenth and six- 

teenth centuries, Mr 
materials at hand. 

and plentiful 
The whole story of these 

Scottish settlements, however, is told at page 10, 
m the following words : " The Irish of the North, 
and the Scots of the Western Isles, had for two 
centuries kept up a close and increasing inter- 
course/' This intercourse, practically speaking, 
began with the marriage of John Mor Macdonnell 



Glens of Antrim, about the year 1400, and a 

simple recital of facts in the history of their de- 

• scendants, the Clan Ian Vor, or Clandonnell South, 

would have been highly important in reviewing 


Ulster during 
y previous knowledge of 

Scots, the reader is introduced to a company 
theia thus, at page 10 : 

" James M'Connell (Macdonnell) and his two brothers, 
near kinsmen of the House of Argyle, crossed over with 
2000 followers to settle in Tyrconnell, while to the Cal- 
logh O'Donnell, the chief of the clan, the Earl of Argyle 
himself gave his half- sister for a wife." 

James Macdonnell had not only two, but seven 
brothers, the sons of Alexander of Isla, all of whom 
were leaders of greater or less note in the ranks of 
the Clan Ian Vor, and all of whom were probably 
born and brought up on the Antrim coast, where 
their father resided from the year 1493, having 
been then banished from Scotland by James IV. 
They were not, however, '* near kinsmen of the 
house of Argyle,'' neither had they any immediate 
family relationship with the Campbells, farther 
than that James Macdonnell, the eldest brother, 
was married to a daughter of Colin Campbell, the 
third Earl of Argyle. James Macdonnell and 
two of his brothers may have gone on some expe- 
dition into Tyrconnell (Donegal), as the allies of 
the O'Donnells, but they never went there for the 
purpose of settling permanently, although their 
movements may have been so represented, or mis- 
represented, by English officials. James Mac- 
donnell, when in Ulster, had his own well-known 
town and castle at lied Bay, on the Antrim coast, 
and his two brothers, Colla and Soiley (who no 
doubt went with him into Tyrconnell on the oc- 
casion referred to by Mr. Froude), dwelt re- 
spectively at Kinbann and Ballycastle, on the 
same coast. Mr. Froude always speaks of Calvagh 
O'Donnell as '^ the Callogh," thus adopting the 
phraseology of English emissaries. By them he 
is no doubt also misled, in supposing that Argyle 
gave his "half-sister" to the *^ Callogh" as wife. 
The fact that the lady in question is always 
termed Countess of Argyle naturally enough puz- 
zles Mr. F., seeing that, had she only been the 
Earl's half-525/^r, she could not have had the 
title of Countess. This lady, however, has been 
hitherto regarded as the step-mother only, of 
Archibald, fourth Earl of Argyle, having been 
his father's second wife, and consequently Countess 
dowager of Argyle. She afterwards became the 
second wife of Calvagh O'Donnell, but continued 
to retain her Scottish title. She was one of the 
seven daughters of Hector Mor Maclean, Chief 
of the house of Dowart, in Mull. Her mother 
was Mary, daughter of Alexander of Islay, and 
sister to James Macdonnell. After her abduction 
by Shane O'Neill, Sussex wrote to Elizabeth that 
'* Thre of the Mac Illanes (Macleans), Kynsmen 
of the Countess of Oirgyle" had oflTered great 
services to her captor for her release. It must 
be admitted, however, that the lady is still some- 
what of a genealogical puzzle, but it is certain she 
could not have been half-sisier to the then Earl 
of Argyle. The latter is represented as being a 
wonderful match-maker, for he is described as 
proposing to marry James Macdonnell's widow 



[3'd S. V. Jan. 16, '64. 


(- another half-sister of Argyle,' page 395) to 
Shane O'Neill, after the latter had repudiated or 
put away James ATnn.donnell's daughter; -^ 

again (page 387), as making arrangements with 
O'Neill for marrying two of his children by the 
Countess of Argyle, with two of the children o 
James .Macdonnell ! This business was mooted 
in 1565, when O'Neill's children by the Countess 
could not have been more than three and Jour 
years of age respectively ! 

The following is Mr. Froude's account (p. 380; 
of Shane O'NeTu's celebrated expedition against 
the Scots, in the spring of 1565 : 

"O'Neill lav quiet through the winter. With the 
sprint? and the fine weather, when the rivers fell and the 

sorin'T, after they had sown their own barren 
patch"es of soil with bere or barley, throughout 
Cantire and the Isles. If an emergency arose, 
however reinforcements were summoned by the 
simple means of lighting a great fire on Torr- 
Head which is the nearest point of the Antrim 
coast' to Cantire, the Channel here being only 
eleven miles and a half in breadth. Mr. Froude 
asserts that the Warning Fire was lighted on the 
" gigantic columns of Fairhead," but local tradi- 
tion° invariably assigns that distinction to Torr- 
Head ; and in Norden's Map of Ulster prefixed to 
vol.ii.'of the State Papers, we have the following 
announcement at the latter headland : " At this 
marke the Scotts used to make their Warning 
Fires." It is not unlikely, however, that Fair- 
head, which is much higher and more prominent, 
althounh further from Cantire, may have been also 
used for the same purpose ; but on what authority 
Mr. Froude's statement rests, I do not know. 

At page 418, Mr. Froude thus describes the 
place of Shane O'Neill's assassination : 

'•' In the far extremity of Antrim, beside the falls of 
Isnaleara, where the black valley of Glenariff opens out 
into Red Bav, sheltered among; the hills and close upon 
the sea, lay'the camp of Ailaster M'Connell (Alexander 
Oire Macdonnell) and his nephew Gillespie." 

The county of Antrim extends alonj^ the coast 
from Belfast to Coleraine, but the point here so 
indefinitely referred to is neither at one ex- 


and broke them to pieces. Six or seven hundred Avere 
killed in the field; James M'Connell and his brother 
Sorh-ljov were taken prisoners; and for the moment the 
Avhole colony Avas swept away." 

In this brief space, Mr. Froude compresses all 
the stirrin<5 events of that remarkable campaign; 
the mustering of CNeilfs force in Armagh aiter 
the solemnities of Easter — his march into Clande- 
bove, an<l tlie gathering of the gentry in that ter- 
ritory, with their adherents, around the standard 
of tlieir great chief — the battle of Knockboy, near 
Ballymena, where Somhairle Macdonnell with- 
stood, for a time, the overwhelming force of tremity nor the other. Shane O'Neill was slain in 

the present townland of Bally teerim, overlooking 
Cushindun Bay. and still containing traces of the 
buildiniz in vvhich his last fatal interview with 

den's Map 

O'Neill — the siei^e and capture of Ked Bay 
Castle (Uaimdergh) — the landing of the Scots at 
Cu<hindun under James Macdonnell, and their 
union with Sorlev Boy's small force — their re- 
treat before O'Neill northward alonjj the coast 
to Baile Caislean (now Ballycastle) — the furi- 
ous battle of Gleanntaisi, in that district, com- 
mencing at five o'clock on the morning of the 
2nd of May — O'Neiirs halt at Ballycastle, where 

the Macdonnells took place. In Noi 

prefixed to the State Papers, vol. ii., the name of 

this townland is Balle Teraino, and it is accom- 



ith the foUowinir note: "Here Shane 

O'Neale was slayne. 



some authority ibr associating 

that chieftain's 

he listened to, but rejected, the despairing pro- death with the '* falls ot Isnaleara" and the 
posals of the Scots, and from which he addressed ^^ black vallev of Glenariff." We are told, also, 
his celebrated letter to the Lords Justices, in- 
forming them of his victory — his subsequent 
capture of the Castles of Downesterick and Dun- 


his sendinjj James and 


ncU, together with nineteen other Scottish leaders, 
captured on the field of Gleanntaisi, to dungeons 
in Tyrone — and his own triumphant return into 


In selecting the season of spring for this " dash" 
against the Scots, Shane was not so much con- 
cerned about "when the rivers fell and the ground 
dried" as about the necessity of having the blow 
dealt before the period when reinforcements began 
generally to arrive from Scotland. The Scots 
were known to leave Antrim each season in Oc- 
tober, or early In November, except such num- 
bers as were necessary to hold certain positions 

along the coast, and as regularly to return in the 


that O'Neilfs lifeless body was " Hung into a 
pit dug hastily among the ruined arches of Glen- 
arm," and if so, the assassins must have carried 
the corpse a distance of at least twelve vales! 
Local tradition affirms that the mutilated remains 
were buried in an old church enclosure at,^or 
near, the place of assassination, and Campion 
tells us that O'Neiirs last resting-place was 
'' within an old chapell hard by." **' 

The Scottish leader whom ]\Ir. Froude desig- 
nates as *' Gillespie" was the eldest son of James 
Macdonnell, and, as such, was naturally more in- 
terested than any other in avenging his father's 
death, and repudiating the false story of his 
mother's proffered marriage with O'Neill. Mr. 
Froude, misled by others, represents Gillaspick 
Macdonnell as nephew of James Macdonnell, but 
Campion is correct in stating that '' Agnes 



3'dS.V. Jan. 16, '64. J 



(James Macdonneirs widow), had a sonne Mac 
Gillye Aspucke, who betrayed O'Neale to avenge 
his father's and uncle's quarrell." It is not likely 
that a nephew of the lady only by marriage would 
have stood up so fiercely for her reputation. This 
Gillaspic, or Archibald, was James Macdonnell's 
eldest son, and is always mentioned as his heir in 
the various grants of lands in Cantire made to 
his father by Mary Queen of Scots.* James Mac- 
donnell had a nephew (son of his brother Colla) 
named also Gillaspick, but he was killed by an 
accident at Ballycastle, just on the day he came 
of age, and could not have been more than fifteen 
years of age at the time Shane O'Neill was slain. 
Mr. Froude 'writes too decidedly in the vce 
victis style, and is angry because the Irish did not 
accept with abetter grace the blessings of subju- 
gation. He utters complaints as he proceeds, 
pretty much in the spirit which dictated the let- 
ters of Fitzwilliam and Piers, The queen, for- 
sooth, "cared to burden her exchequer no further, 
in the vain effort to drain the black Irish morass, 
fed as it was from the perennial fountains of Irish 
nature." (Page 377'8.) This writer also speaks 
as if he really believed that the Irish and Scottish 
chieftains were more truculent or ferocious than 
English officials. Shane O'Neill is described 
(page 420) as a " drunken ruffian," and Allaster 

M'Connell (Alexander 


Macdonnell) acts 

(page 413) " like some chief of Sioux Indians." 
All tlii-^ may be true, but their " Irish nature" is 

not blacker 

than English nature 

after all. The 

English were caught twice plotting the secret 
assassination of Shane O'Neill by poison; and 
Sussex, the Lord Deputy, was concerned in at 
least one, if not both, of these infamous affairs. 
As Mr. Froude proceeds, he will find that Sir 
James Macdonnell, of Dunluce, was poisoned, in 
1601, by a government emissary, named Douglas, 
whom that chief was hospitably entertaining at 
his castle on the Antrim coast. Mr. F. will also, 
no doubt, meet the followinjT extract from a letter 

along the banks of 

written by Sir Arthur Chichester, and descriptive 
of a journey made by that famous statesman and 
soldier from Carrickfergus ' ... 

Lough Neagh : 

"I burned all along the Lough within four mvles of 
Dungannon, and killed 100 people, sparing none, o"f what 
quality, age, or sex soever, besides many burned to death ; 

we kill man, woman and child ; horse, beast, and what- 
soever we find." 

This stolid monster's policy was, that the Irish 
could be more quickly reduced to subjection by 
hunger than any other means ; hence he destroyed 
corn and cattle in every direction; and during 
his administration, little children in Ulster were 
seen eating the flesh of their dead mothers ! '' 




Geo. Hili 

« -1.^^^ Origines Farochiales Scotia;, vol ii. part 1, under 


** But roomer^ fairy, here comes Oberon,'' 

3Hdsummer NighVs Dream, II. 1. (Fuck.) 

By thus adding rto the roome of the first folio, 
on the supposition that the printer or copier 
dropped it through carelessness or ignorance, the 
line can be scanned, and the rhythm i^, I think, 
better, and the expression less prosaic than those 
of any other reading. Boom and roomer wtrf^ sea 
phrases, which, in speaking of the sailing of ships, 
meant to alter the course, and go free of one 
another, or of rocks or land, or more generally in 
reference to the wind, to go, as we now say, large 

(or roomer, freer) 



"Then nn'ght the Hopewell and the Swallow have 
payed roome [payed off before the wind] to second him, 
but they failed him, as they did us, standing off close by 
a wind to the eastward ; " 

and in the same, Best, narrating how in Frohislier's 
second voyage the ships were caught in a storm 

amidst drifting ice and icebergs, says : 

" We Avent roomer [oti' our course, and more before the 
wind] for one (iceberg), and loofed [luffed up in the 
wind) for another (and so up and down during tlie whole 

Hence roomer aptly expresses one of the two 
courses which must be adopted by an inferior 
vessel when it meets another, whose sovereignty 
entitles her to hold on her way unchecke-i, and 
the course which would be adopted if it were 
wished to get away unchallenged. The fairy had 
luffed, and so stayed her course to speak with Puck. 
Having interchanged civilities, Here, says Fuck, 
comes Oberon, bearing down upon you full sail ; 
do you, vassal as you are of a power that he is 
unfriends with, alter your course; go off before 
the wind, and free of him. In a word, roomer. 
Why should not the earth-engirdling imp have a 
few such phrases at command, or have gone mas- 
querading as a sailor-boy, especially in Attica or 
in England in 1595 ? in both which places even 
Titania seems to have been fond of Neptune's 
yellow sands. Or, if objection still be made, I 
would quote the inlander Romeo, who talks as 
though by nature of the high top-gallant of his 



"Now is the jerkin under the line." — Tempest, W. 1 

meaning it was put as were the stakes at tennis, 
and so could be taken by the winner. 

" Let us keep the lawes of the court ; 
That is, stake money under the line (sotto la corda), is it 

not so? 
Yea, Sir, you hit it right : 
Here is my money; now stake you," 

Florin's Second Fruitesy ch. 2. "At tennis 

in Charter House Court." 




[3^d S, V* Jan. 16, '64. 

" Hamlet. 


" Thus has he (and many more of the same breed that 
I know the drossy age dotes on), only got the tune of 
the time and outward habit of encounter, — a kind of 
yesty collection, which carries them through and through 
the most fond and tvinnowed opinions, and do but blow 
them to their trial, the bubbles are out." (First Folio.) 

Act V. So. 2. 

*^ Prophane and trennowed (trennowned) quartos fanned 
and winnowed." — Warhurton. 

Hamlet of course means thatOsrlc and his com- 
peers have not that inward wit necessmy to parley 
true euphuism, but only the outward trick of the 
language, which, while it passed with folks of like 
mind, would not stand the trial of better judg- 
ments. So at least he says in the rest of the pas- 
sage ; but when he is made to say that their 
yesty collection of words carries them through 
and through the winnowed, or fanned and win- 
nowed, opinions of the age — through the wheat of 
the world — he is made to say the contrary of what 
he means, and the contrary to the fact; forOsric 
did not pass through two such winnowed opinions 
as those of Horatio and Hamlet. Or if, contrary 
to all analogy of speech, the fanned and winnowed 
opinions are the chaff and not the wheat, what 
sense is there in a yesty collection carrying one 
through either wheat or chaff? or if a yesty col- 
lection did such a strange act, where, after such a 
passage, would be the bubbles that the puff of air 
is to blow away ? But if for winnowed or tren- 
nowed, we read vinewed or vinnewed — and blue 
vinney is Dorsetshire, and vinewedst is spelt in 
the Iblio edition of Troilus and Cressida " whinidst " 

we have a change that restores the sense — a word 
not incongruous with, but suggested by, the meta- 
phorical yesty collection, and a repetition of that 
Shakspearian expression, a mouldy wit. In truth, 
Hamlet's metaphor Is drawn from Sly's pot of ale, 
as is shown by the words, "blow them to their trial." 
The yesty collection is the frothiness of sour and 
stale beer, which passes with those of corrupted and 
vitiated taste; but when tried and blown upon by 
more sober judgments flies off, and does not remain 
like the true head of sound liquor or wit. 

B. Nicholson. 


AVriting of Elsinorc, Ma 
hony, in a small work on The^Baltic. nublisht^d ii 
1857, says : 

^ ** It was not here, but in Jutlanc^, according to Saxo 
Grammaticus, from whose Chronicle Shakspeare drew the 
plot of his inimitable tragedy, that Amblettus, or Hamlet, 
about four centuries before the Christian era, avenged the 
murder of his father. But though the tourist wfll seek 
in vain the grave of the Danish prince, he will find 
ample compensation in the many romantic stories con- 
nected with the monuments in the old cathedral and the 
gloomy vaults of Kronburg Castle/' 

This reminds me of the following story, an 
contraire, lately told by a friend. He visited 


Elsiuore this autumn, and hearing that the Eng- 
lish who called there always asked for and visited 
" Hamlet's grave,'* he undertook the same pil- 
grimage. On his road, at a short distance out 
of the town, he came to a place called Marienlyst, 
a public garden nicely laid out, and with the 
usual refreshment rooms of the continental states. 
Sauntering along the walks, he met a gentlemati, 
with whom he entered into conversation, and 
stated his object in being there. After a few | 
turns of the path, the gentleman pointed to a ' 
block of stone about three feet high, something 
like part of a column standing on a slight mound^ • 
and said, " That is Hamlet's grave/' My friend 
thanked him, but, seeing a smile on his coun- 
tenance, asked " What is the matter?" " Well," 
said he, ''I will explain. On the establishment of 
this place a short time since, a countryman called 
on the proprietor to say that he was so much 
troubled with the English visitors who flocked to 
his cfarden to see ' Hamlet's errave/ and did him 

so much damage, that he would be greatly obliged 
if the proprietor would allow him to place the 
stone at the back part of his garden, by which 


be greatly benefited. This was acceded to, and 
here is the grave. I fear you will think you have 
had your walk for nothing." As dinner was not 
quite ready, he made a sketch of the spot. 

Have any of your correspondents and readers 
experienced this walk to *' Hamlet's grave " ? and 
if so, have they ever heard how this block came to 
be originally attributed to this so-called " Prince 
of Denmark," and when it may have been first 
named and placed in its former position? It 
would seem to lie between 1857 and 1863. 

Wyatt Papworth. 




I have lately acquired a copy of The Grand 
Impostor Detected^ or an Historical Dispute of the 
Papacy and Popish Religion, by S. C., Part i., 
4to, Edinburgh, 1673. The initials upon the title 
are, in the dedication to the Duke of Lauderdale 
and preface, extended to Samuel Colvill ; and it 
is still a moot point whether the man, who here 
so seriously handles the Pope is identical with 
he of the same name who, in the opposite vein, 
showed up the Scottish Covenanters in the Mock 
Poem, orWhiggs' Supplication, 8vo, London, 1681. 
The last is undoubtedly a piece of coarse texture, 
and, at first glance, assorts so ill with the former, 
that^ without closer inspection one might accept 
the inference drawn by Lowndes— that there were 
two of these Samuel Colvills. I have, however, 
looked into the long preface of the polemic ; and, , " 
on comparing passages with others in the Anther's 





\ * 

^r<» S. V. Jan. IC, '64.] 




Mock Pi 

sufficient re- 

semblance in the phraseology to warrant the belief 
that they are both written by the same hand; and 
should the books be in the possession of any of 
your correspondents, I shall be glad to have my 
opinion checked. Charter, a contemporary, in 
his Catalogue of Scottish Writers (not published 
until 1833), certainly assigns both to the same 
person — Samuel Colvill, Gentleman, and brother 
to Alex^ Colvill, D.D., and it is only upon the 
apparent incongruities of style displayed by the 
polemic and poet, that any doubt upon the sub- 
ject existed. With respect to the author, there 
does appear to be a most remarkable want of in- 
formation. Can nobody supply a biographical 
Note which would explode or confirm the popular 
belief, in his being a son of Lady Culros ? 

A correspondent, some time back, suggested 
tbat he might be also the "S. C." who wrote The 



tor^ it is highly improbable that in April of that 
year the same individual obtained an imprimatur 
both at Edinburgh and London : and that, too, 
for works of such an opposite character. It seems 
to me also, that we should know something more 
regarding the publication of the Whiggs* Suppli- 
cation. There are many contemporary manu- 
scripts of the poem about, which, coupled with 
what the author says in }x\s Apology^ would almost 
lead to the belief that it was at first extensively 
published in that way ; indeed, as far as we know, 
it ^may have got into print surreptitiously — the 
original edition bearing only ^' London, printed in 

the year, 1681." 

fe of R udd 

author was alive in 1710: it being noticed that 
the North Taller was printed at Edinburgh that 
year by John Reid ibr Sam. Colvill. As the 
author of the Scots Hudihras has come in for 
more abuse than commendation, I may record 
Daniel Defoe, when dealing with his own ene- 
mies, adopts the language used by honest Sam. 
Colvill in his Apology, to repel malicious criti- 

cism. Cunn 



too, m his H 

f Great 

(always supposing there is but one 

being a strenuous defender of the Protestant re- 


1 do not find 

edition, 1787. Finally, who wtis the " S. C," 
alluded to by Peterkin In the following extract 

from his Records of 
burgh, 1838? Spea] 

rf Scotland, 

•1G54 : 

ft. Leif 

to w ; 





w; and Mr. Samuel Colvill they offered to the Old 
College of St. Andrews: this last is stUl held off, but the 
other three act as principaU." 

A. G 

P.S. The author of the Grand Impostor designed 
a much larger work, but says it would be difficult 
for him to publish it all at once; and, 1 think, no 
more than this Part i., treating '^ Of tlie Bishop- 
rick of St. Peter,'' appeared. Samuel Colvill, in 
his dedication, calls himself a condisciple of his 
patron ; and reminds his grace that he had before 
received his countenance, by the acceptance of 
several trifles from him. What were they ? 

I should add, while upon the subject, that to 
mc the London imprint, 1681, to the Moch Poem^ 
appears a blind. At the period the Presbyterians 

were at the 

height of their 

resistance to the 

episcopal intrusion; and it would hardly have 
been safe to have openly published at Edinburgh 
such a book, with the aggravation of what may 
be considered a Puritanical armorial device upon 
the title. Colvill was, of course, a prclutic advo- 
cate; and my belief is, that the book was printed 
at Edinburgh, and not at London as indicated. 
The second impression of 1G87 was avowedly from 
Edinburgh, without the device; and '^ Sam. Col- 
vir' signed to the Apology for the first time. 


Some seven years ago I explored for the first 
time the priest^s chambers belonging to this noble 
perpendicular church. The inner room, which, if 
I remember right, contained no furniture but an 
old box and a shelf or two, was strewn, and heaped 
with antique books, folios and quartos, brown, 
wormeaten, dilapidated. They lay jumbled toge- 
ther on the shelves, tossed together on the floor ; 
some open ; all dusty and uncared for. The lat- 
tice stood wide, and the wind and rain were driving 
in ; the bindings of the books were wet accord- 
ingly, and clouds of loose leaves were eddying 
about the room. These books were the remains 
of the old church library of St. Mary's, and this 
was their normal condition. 

After seven years I returned to the place last 
September in company with the parish clerk. 
The window was still open, but it was not raining 
this time, and the books, such of them as survive, 
had been, by some pious hand, thrust piecemeal 
and sausage-fashion into that same old box. "When 
the lid was lifted, and the simoom of disturbed dust 
that arose had been fanned away by the clerk's 
coat-tail, I spent my ten minutes in jotting down 
the titles, as far as I could discover them, of the 
topmost volumes. Behold the random result: 

" St. Bernard on the Canticles, folio. 
"Crakenthorp's Logic. 
"Calvini Op. (one vol. of), folio. 
"The Theologia Naturalis of Raymond Lebon, folio. 
"The Theatrum Hist, llluat. Exemplorum, folio. 
" Sylvester's Du Bartas. (A fine, 1 think folio, copy.) 
" Guicciardini's History of Florence." (A fine and 
early Italian edition.) 




quisitely humorous portrait of Lanthorn Leather- 
head, with his " motions'' oi Hero and Leander 


Nearly all these were seventeenth century edi- 
tions, and had ori;:inally been noble copies and well 
bound ; and everyone of them had lost its title- 
page, and few or many of its leaves. As I closed 
the lid, I addressed to my companion certain old dramatists. A large circle of readers of an- 


brief, and possibly, caustic remarks ; but he, re- 
adjusting his coat-tail the while, in a spirit of 
meekness, replied, " Sir, it was always so ! Why 


other class of literature will remember how, a 
century later, Steele and Addison celebrated the 
" skill in motions" of Powell, whose place of ex- 

he continued, "they used to make bonfires of the hibition was under the arcade in Covent Garden 
books, and I remember when I was a boy (he In April, 1751, the tragedy of t/aw^ /S'Aar*? was ad- 

light the vestry fires with 'era. 


that was used to vertised for representation at " Punch's Theatre in 

Apres tout, what matters it ? 




friend again remarked, with a sympathetic snuffle, 
*' T' books is nigh all gone now, Sir." A. J. M. 

Beverley Minster. — I have found the follow- 
ing lines on Beverley Minster in an old newspaper 
(date 1836) 

James-street, in the Haymarket," by puppets ; 
*' Punch's Theatre'' being, of course, located in 
Hickford's Room ; and other puppet exhibitions 
were announced at different times during the last 




c*w.» o..^^L.iv^ iixw^ v^i iixti^ii to know "^^^s ^-^^Vl^ited at the Coart end of the town, Avith the 
^Vt!^^' / "iTk"^/! "-ii^» oi.vL4iVA iixw^ Y^Lj iiiu^ii ^ Italian title, Fantoccini, which greatly attracted the no- 

who IS their author. They are of considerable I tice of the public, and Avas spoken off as an extraordinarj 

performance: it was, however, no more than a puppet- 
slio\\^, Avith the motions constructed upon better pj-in- 
ciples, dressed with more elegance, and managed with 

merit, and aptly describe that beautiful structure, 
the west front of which is perhaps the finest speci- 
men of the perpendicular style in England; 

" Built in far other times, those sculptured walls 
Attest the faitti which our forefathers felt, — 
Strong faith, Avhose visible presence yet remains : 
^V^e pray with deeper reverence at a shrine 
Hallowed by many prayers. For years, long years, 
Years that make centuries— those dimlit aisles. 
Where rainbows play, from coloured windows flung, 
Have echoed to the voice of prayer and praise; 
With the last lights of evening flitting round, 
I^Iaking a rosy atmosphere of hope. 
The vesper hymn hath risen, bearing heaven, 
But purified the many cares of earth. 
How oft has music rocked those ancient towers. 
When the deep bells were tolling; as they rung, 
The castle and the hamlet, high and low. 
Obeyed the summons : earth grew near to God. 
The piety of ages is around. 
Many the heart that has before von cross 
Laid down the burden of its many cares. 
And felt a joy that is not of this world : 
There are both sympathy and warning here. 
Methinks, as down we kneel by those old graves 
The Past will pray with us." ' 


greater art, than they had formerly been." 

I have a note of an "Italian Fantoccini" hav- 
ing been exhibited at liickford's Room in Panton 
Street (the same place as the before-mentioned 
** Punch's Theatre in James-street'' it havinff en- 


1770; but it is more 

likely that the exhibition, referred to by Strutt, 
was one which was shown in Piccadilly in 1780, 
and which continued open during the greater part 
of that year. Many different pieces, chiefly of an 
operatic kind, were represented ; and from the 
advertisements, which are very numerous, I have 
selected the following as best explaining the 
nature of the performance : 

" Italian Theatre, Xo, 22, Piccadillv. 
Fantoccini, on Thursday next, wilf be 

At the Italian 

Thursday next, 
Comedy in three Acts, called 


performed a 

. _ , The Transformations ; or, 

Harlequin Soldier, Chimney Sweeper, Astrologer, Statue, 

Clock, and Infant.' End of Act I. Several favourite 

Italian Songs, Duets," and Chorusses. 
Dance in Character. 

End of Act II. A 

Exhibitions of puppets have always been amongst 
the favourite amusements of the British public. 
1 speak not of that most popular of wooden per- 
formers, Mr. Punch, but of such entertainers 
have aimed at the representation of more xt^-u- 
Jarly constructed dramas. The allusions to them 
m our older writers are numerous; but it will 
w f ^"^ ^'1'''^ \^^^ *^°^« of Shakspeare, in his 


And End of Act III. A most mag- 
nificent Representation of a Royal Camp. The whole to 
conclude with a general grand Chorus. Tickets at Five 
Shillings each may be had as above, and of Signor 
Micheli, No. 61, Haymarket, where Places may be taken 

T^u"^ T?^^^^"^ "^ ^'^^ Forenoon till Five in the Evening. 
Ihe Room is neatly fitted up, kept warm, and will be 
Illuminated with Wax. The Doors to be opened at Six, 

' Vivant Rex et 

and begin at Seven o'Clock preciselv. 
Regina.' " 


This, and 

tion of the Prodigal Son." is mentioned as one of 
the many callings which the merry rogue Auto- 
lycus had followed ; and of Ben Jonson, whose ex- 

♦ Italian Fantoccini, No. 22, Piccadilly. 
Every^ Evening during this Week, will be 

new Comic Opera in two Acts, called * Ni'nnette h la 
Cour; or. The Fair " 
Mons. Favre. 

Nancy at Court.' The Poetry by 

c- _, , The Music composed by the celebrated 

bignor Pergolesi, Signor Jomelli, and other celebrated 
Composers. End of Act II. A Dance in Character. And 
i.nd of the Opera, a Merry new Dance. To which will 




be added a new Entertainment, in one Act, called 'Har- 
lequin's Love-Triumph, By the Magic Art.' With an 
additional Farce of Harlequin, while refreshing himself 
with a Dish of Macaroni, is surprised by the Appearance 
of a Spaniard from a remote Corner, who sings a favourite 
Comic Song. In which Harlequin will take his Flight 
round a Room of 60 Feet long and 40 Feet wide, in a Man- 
ner trulv surprizing, and never before exhibited in 
Europe/ The whole of the Scenery and Machinery en- 
tirely new. The public is acquainted by the Managers 
that this valuable Edifice is just imported from Italy; 
and is, in small Compass, the exact Model of the superb 
Teatro Nuovo at Bologna, and the Scenery are the Paint- 
ing of the celebrated Bibbiena. Front Seats 55. Back 
ditto 2s. 6d. Tickets may be had as above, and of Signor 
Micheli, No. 61, HaymaVket. Places may be taken from 
Eleven in the Forenoon till Five in the Evening. The 
Koom is neatly fitted up, kept warm, and will be illu- 
minated with Wax. The Doors to be opened at Half- 
past Six, and to begin at Half-past Seven o'Clook pre- 
cisely. U^ Any Ladies or Gentlemen may have a 
private Exhibition any Hour in the Day, by giving 
Notice as above the Dav before. Vivant Rex Sc Regina. 

" (Wednesday, February 23d, 1780.)" 

Signor Micheli named in these announcements 
was, in all probability, a gentleman who held the 
post of copyist to the bpera-house, at that period, 
when hut few opera sonns were printed singly, 
and the copyist had the privilege of supplying the 
dilettanti with manuscript copies, a very lucrative 

Can any reader of '^ N. & Q/' say which of the 
existing houses in Piccadilly bore the Xo. 22 in 
1780? The numbering of the houses was altered 
after the removal of several for the formation of 

Regent Circus. 

In conclusion, I may just remind the reader of 
the ''Marionettes" exhibited some years since at 
the Adelaide Gallery behind St, MartiiTs Church, 
(where '' Practical Science" has now given way 
to tea and coffee and cheap ices), and of George 
Cruikshank's admirable delineation of the itinerant 
Fantoccini shown in the streets of the metropolis 

in 1825. 

W. H. Husk. 



d of this proverb appears to be the 

Greek — '' Mm ycXi^wy tap oh ttoiu'* — which we have 

in Aristotle, Ethic. Nic. (A) ; and I think the 
old vereion is the better. Was the form — " One 
ST^f allow does not make a Spring^^ — ever In use ? 
This leads me to notice what appears to me to 





accustomed to 


look upon the adyent of the swallow as one of the 
surest signs of returning Spring ; and yet I can- 
not, at present, recall a single passage of our old 
poets containing any allusion to the swallow as 
Bpring's harbinger. And hot only this, but I find 

the swallow connected more especially with sum- 
mer : — .' '*r :. 

" The swallow follows not summer more willing, than 
we, your Lordship." 


speare, Timon of Athens^ Act III. Sc 

A modern poet has the same idea : 

*^ And the swallow 'ill come back again with summer 

o'er the wave." 

Tennyson's Mat/ Queen. 

It is true Shakspeare says : 

" daflfodils, 

That come before the swallow dares, and take 
The winds of March with beauty ; . ." 

Winter's Tale, Act lY. Sc. 3. 

And allowance must of course be made for poetic 
license ; but that which strikes me as remarkable, 
is the absence of passages connecting the swallow 
directly with the first return of spring. And I 
shall be obliged if your correspondents will refer 
me to any such passages, if such there be. No 
poet has shown a greater love for our small birds 
than Chaucer, and yet he seldom mentions the 
swallow. The only instance I can recollect is in 
**The Assembly of Foules," and that is not com- 
plimentary : 

" The swalowe, murdrer of the bees smale, 
That makeH honie of flowres fresh of hew," 

Perhaps the bird's lack of song was the cause 
of the poet's neglect, for he loved the small birds 
for their son^x. No one can read Chaucer without 
noticing how he loved the warbling of the little 
feathered songsters, especially in the early morn- 
ins:. R. C. Heath. 

Druidical Remains in India. — After the pub- 
lication of the Notes on the religicm of the Druids 
in ^'N. &. Q." {ti'^ S. iv. 485), it may interest 
some of vour readers to learn that throui^hout the 
south of India, situated in secluded spots, such as 
mountain summits, sequestered valleys, and trncts 
overrun by jungle, are to be found cromlechs, 
cistvaens, tolmens, upright stones, double rings 
of stones, cairns and banows, containing earthen- 
ware cinerary urns, spearheads, &c. &c., and 
every other relic of the Druidical religion occur- 
ring in our own country. They have been exa- 
mined, and are fully described in one of the 

periodicals of the Madras Presidency. 


furnish another interesting link in the chain of 
evidence connecting the ancient inhabitants of 

Europe with those of India. 

H. C. 

Anagrams. — A copy 
[Lugd. Bat. 1635] has 

follows : 

of the Jesnita Vapulans 
written upon a fljleaf as 

** Andreas Rivetus, 


" Veritas res nuda, 
Sed naturfi es vir, 
Vir natura sedes, 
E natura es rudis, 
Sed es vit& rarus, 
Sed rure vanitas, 
In terra sua Deus, 
Veni, sudas terra." 

B. H. C 



[3'd S. V. Jan. 16, '64 

A Note on Notes. — The words of Captain 
Cuttle, " When found, make a note of," are often 
quoted, but there is a much older authority for 
such a quotation : " Note it in a book, that it may 
be for the time to come." Is. xxx. 8.— City Press. 

Zaciiaky Boyd. — The following: notice of this 

Scots worthy, 


of the Old 

Testament still remains in MS., occurs in the 
Commissary Records of Glasgow, end of May, 

1625 : 

*' Elizabeth Fleming, executrix, confirmed to umquhile 
Robert Fyndley, Merchant, and Mr. Zacharia Boyd, now 
her spous." „ _ _ 

J. M. 


I have before me a bound volume, containing a 
MS. Chronicle of England ; comprising 103 leaves 
of vellum, written probably by the same hand, 
and 22 leaves of paper, by another. 

The vellum is manifestly deficient of a leaf or 
leaves at the beginning, as it commences in the 
middle of a sentence, and the first marginal 
chapter-title, in the (present) first page, is C° xx 
It ends also with an imperfect sentence, in 

C ccxx^. 

The paper appears complete at its beginning. 
The first chapter-heading is C. ccxxxiij, but it is 
deficient at the end. 

The dates of the vellum run from, say, b.c.400 
to AD. 1345. 

Those of the paper, from 20 Edw. III. (say 
134G) to the Battle of Agincourt, 1415. 

In the vellum, the initial letters of the chapters 
are fine, and finely illuminated with red and blue 
ink, the decorations sometimes occupying the 
entire margin of a page ; and the chapter-head- 
ings in the outer margin are likewise red and 
blue, and the chapter-titles red. 

In the paper continuation the ink is inferioi 
the chapter-headings, initials, and paragraph 
marks are in red ink ; the handwriting more 
current and neat, but less legible, at least to me. 

The following are extr^,cts» Page 1 begins 
with these words : 

"beirunto the Realme bot he was not of strengtbe. 
Bot neverthelesse tbis Donebaude ordeyned him a great 
power and conquered (loegrins?) and than this Done- 
baude wente into Scotlande for to conquer it. Bot 
Seatter (Scortter?) the king thereof assembled a grete 
power of hys people and of WftH^bemen whos ruler was 
one Pudah (Rudah? Rudak?). Bgt Seatter and Rudak 
was slaine and then this Donebaude toke feialte and 
homage of the cuntree and reigned thair in peace and 
quiete that many yeres ftfpre it yraa not soe. 

[In red ink] ** Howe Donebaud was the first king that 

1 • 




>/ gol(i€ in Brit 

(P. 102.) " In the ycre of our Lorde mcccxxxvii and 
' King Heury XII. [«ic: it was Edw. III.! In the 

nioneth of Marche, 


[s2c] Corne- 

walle a Duchie, and gave it unto Sir Edwarde his first 
Sonne, and he gave him also the erledom of Chester, and 
he made vi erles, that is to say, Sir Henry the Erles son 
of Lancaster was made Erie of Leyxfar [ PLancaster], 
William Bouyhon (Bohun), Eric of Northampton, Wil- 
liam Mountaleyn [Moimtacute], Erie of Salysbury, Hugh 
of Arundele, Erie of Gloucester, Robert Ufford, Erie of 
Suffolk, William of Clynton, Erie of Hunteyndon, &c. 
&C.&C." [Howe puts this in 1336.] 

" Howe Kyvg Edwarde came to Sleus (?) and disconiT 
fyte alle the power of France, 

" And in the xv yere of Kyng Edwardys raigne King 
Edwarde comaunde fro that tyme forthe for to wryte in 
hys wryttes and all hys other wrytinge the date of hys 
reygne of France the furste, and so he wrote unto hys 
lordes of Englonde, sptell and temporell, and thanne he 
come againe into Englonde with the quene and hyr 
cliildn, and scone after yat he wente agayne into France 
for to warre upon the King of France, the whiche had 
assembled and ordered to him a grete power of Almane 
of (potovins?), and at Sluys they mette together and 

foughte sore, when was killed xxxiij menne of the kinge 
[power?] of France, &c. &c. &c.'' 

I should be i^lad to learn whether the Chronicle 
is a known one, and Avhether it has been printed. 
The handwritings indicate that the MSS. were 
respectively produced at or soon after the last 
periods to which they refer ; and the style of 
narrative, in each case, towards the end, would 
lead to the belief that the writers were contem- 
poraneous with the facts they record, W. P. P, 

Baroness. — Is the daughter of a Freiherr en- 
titled to be addressed as baroness in EnMand? 
In Germany the address is Fraulein, or Miss. 
Which is correct ? Abrach. 


The Bloody Hand. — James I. granted the 
arms of Ulster as an honourable augmentation to 
be borne by "the baronets and their descendants." 
Out of this concession arise two questions: — Is 
the word descendants to be interpreted as in- 
cluding those not in tail to the baronetcy-^daugh- 
ters, for example, g-nd their children f If so to be 
interpreted, is the concession limited to the de- 
scendants of baronets of 1612? For example, a 

her lozenge ? 

has 9. son and daug 
the bloody hand w 

Does her husband retain it in her 

coat which he impales ? H 


heiress : Doe^ 
bloody hand in the egcutch 

pretence which thereupon he assumes, and does it 
appear in the children's quarterings P Jl. SxiitPE. 




shall I find a list of the different collections" of 

monumental inscriptions which have been 
lished ? '"' 

_ ^ 



Of course, I am well acquainted with 
Weever, Le IsTeve, Parsons, Gousrli. &c. 


Sfd s. V. Jan. 16, '64.] 



There is a list of some of the principal collections distance, and Rutland has a citadel and artillery."-( To- 

rn Sims 



George W. Marshall. 

and when ? H 


>r died in Dublin. Was 
her son an Irishman? Bunn's father was an 
officer. Ofwhatrank? In what regiment? Bunn 

died a Roman Catholic. Had 

at Stonyh 

Ushaw, or any other Roman 

Catholic college ? What were the leading facts 

of his life before he became lessee of the Theatre 
Royal Birmingham in 1 826 ? 

I ask merely for information's sake, with no 
unfriendly purpose. Many persons must be quite 





Thomas Cook, 


tioned as the author of MS. IMemoirs of that town 

(" N. & Q 

0). Information re- 

specting him will be acceptable. I particularly 
wish to ascertain at what period he lived. 

S. Y. R. 

Cromwell. — Is it generally known that Sir 
Marcus Trevor was created at the Restoration Vis- 
count Dungannon, for his signal gallantry in 
wounding Oliver Cromwell at the battle of Mar- 
ston Moor ? His daughter was the second wife 
of an ancestor of the late Lord Dungannon, by 
whose death without issue the title has again be- 

come extinct. 

E. H. A. 

CuLLUM. — lam anxious to ascertain whether 

pographical Notes, by John Kidley, M.A., London, 17G2, 
p. 17.) 

Was Stafford ever walled, or Oakham fortified ? 
Any fuller account of the book printed at Nurem- 
berg, or information where I can see a copy, will 

oblige T. P. E. 

Fowls with Human Remains. — About twelve 
years ago, during the construction of the new 
docks at Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, I was pre- 
sent at the exhumation of some human remains, 
on the banks of the Humber. They were found a 
short distance above the highwater line, beneath 
six feet of sand, and one or two feet of clay, which 
appeared to have been the original surface before 
the deposition of the sand. They consisted of the 
perfect skeleton of a figure of small stature, and 
were laid east and west. There were no remains 
of any metallic or other substances In connection 
with them ; but under the left arm were the bones 
of a fowl, a cock apparently, from the long spurs 
on the legs. Can any of your readers inform me, 
through your columns, whether similar instances 
have occurred of the bones of fowls being found 
in juxtaposition with human remains, and to what 

people and customs they may be referred ? 

J. D. Mackenzie, Captain. 

*' The Leprosy of Naaman." — Can any one 
acquainted with the literary history of Leeds 
inform me who is author of this sacred drama (by 
J. C.) Leeds, 1800? It seems to have been the 
production of a very young author, and contains 
at the end a few pieces of poetry. The editoi^ of 
this little book mentions that the juvenile author 

Sir William Cullum f t\^e first Baronet,h^d any ^^^ ^^j^^^^ ^^^^^1^^^, ^^^^^^ ^^,^^^^ ^^^ ^1^^ g^bj.^t 

relative named Dorothy Cullum, and who '^ Master 
John Archer " was, to whom he bequeathed a ring, 
with the inscription '' asis : x.c so shall thee'' f 


Enigma. — Will some one of your fair readers 
give the solution of the following, by the cele- 
brated Earl of Surrey ? 

" A Lady gave a gift, which she had not, 
And I received her gift, which I took not : 
She gave it me willingly, and yet she would not ; 
And I received it, albeit I could not : 
If she gives it me, I force not, 

oi Joseph. 

Nicholas Newi 

K L 

Can any of your Irish 

readers give me any information^ respecting the 
family, arms, &c. 

Nicholas Newland, subse- 


written Newl 

of Mount Mell 


And if she takes it again, she cares not, 

Construe what this is, and tell not; 
For I am fast sworn, I may not." 



English Topography in Dutch. 

J. L 

^* In A Description of England and Scotland^ written in 
High Dutch, and printed at Nuremberg, 1659, Maps of 
the principal towns are given, which are generally pretty 
correct; but Stafford is represented as a walled tOwn, 

'^ith drawhridfre and norfc-ciilliR. jjnil apvpn IiiUq \n tf»n 

Queen s co. Ireland, afterwards of Concord and 
Birmingham, in Pennsylvania, Esq. ? 
Quaker and a gentleman of good family, as will 
appear from books of that time, and came to 
Pennsylvania in 1683 with William Penn. He 
was a friend of Penn s, and soon after his arrival 
was made one of the provincial, or governor's 
council, and a Judge of the Common Pleas. 

The council was at this time (1685) the supreme 
legislative, judicial, and executive body. His 

Nathaniel Newlin 

Newlin, Esq., was a Justice 





the biography of Alfred Bunn, — Ed.] 

[t Sir Thomas Cullum was the first Baronet. Wotton 

Courts, a Member of the Provincial Assembly, 


Loan Offi 


the largest landed proprietors in the colony. 

Newlin township, in Chester 
owned by, and called after, him. 

ty, was first 

W. M. Newi 

Baronetage^ iu 20» 


T «i 

No. 1009, Pine Street, Philadelphia. 




Northumbrian (Anglo-Saxon) Money 

iMr. Bruce, in his invaluable work on the Roman 
Wall, says, at p. 433 of the edition of 1851, 

"Saxon monev is found in Northumberland of a date 
coeval with the arrival of that people." 

Will Mr. Bruce kindly describe that Saxon 



Order of St. John of Jerusalem. — Who are 
the publishers of Sir R, Broun's Synoptical Sketch 

V.y^ S. ill. 270) 
Profession, &^c. ( 



R. W. 

Painter to His Majesty. — ^N'ot finding any 
list of those who filled this post, can you inform 
me who was the person herein referred to ? 

"Til 1700, upon <a vacancy of the king's painter in Scot- 
land, he (Michael Wright) solicited to succeed, hut a 
shopkoep-r was preferred." — Walpole's Anecdotes, Sfc, 
Wornum's edition, 18G2, p. 474. 

w. p. 

(y^ S. iii. 70.) 

if it 

" He travels with a pocket fender." 

" Pocket toasting-forks have been invented, as 
Avas possible to want a toasting-fork in the pocket; and 
oven this has been exceeded by the fertile genius of a 
celebrated projector, who ordered a pocket-fender for his 
own use, which Avas to cost 200/. The article was made, 
but as it did not please, paAnnent was refused. An action in consequence brought, and the workman said upon 
the trial tliat he Avas A'ery sorry to disoblige so good a 
customer, and would Avillinirlv have taken thethincc back, 
but that really nobody except the gentleman in question 
Avould ever Avant a pocket fender. 

" This same gentleman has contriA^ed to have the whole 
set of fire-irons made hollow instead of solid. To be sure 
the cost is more than twentv-fold, but Avhat is that to the 
convenience of holding a few ounces in the hand Avhen 
you stir the fire, instead of a feAv pounds? This curious 
projector is said to have taken out above seventy patents 
for inventions efjually ingenious and important." — Es- 

vol. i. p. 185. 


Who Avas the gentleman ? Was there any such 
trial ? At tliat time the plaintiff could not have 
made the statement as above described, as he 
could not have been a Avitness Avhen a party. 

J. M. K. 
Pumice Stone.— In a note to Garth's Ovid's 

Art of Love, in vol. iii. of Poetical Translations 
(no date or editor given), I read on the lint 

** But dress not like a fop, nor curl your hair, 
Nor with a pumice make your body bare " 

"The use of the Pumice Stone is very ancient; the 
Romans plucked up their hair with it, and the book- 
binders now smooth their covers Avith it ... . The 
peasants in some parts of England take off their beards 
with it, instead of a razor." 

What date could this have been at? And was it 

with the pumice stone that the ancient Britons 

removed their beards ? 
References wanted. 


1. Alexander, 


asked where he would lay his treasure, answered^ 
among his friends ; beinix confident that tl 


would be kept with safety, and returned with in- 



the phrase 



fervidum ingenium Scotorum'' first employed as 
embodying a peculiar characteristic of the Scot- 

tish nation ? Vectis 

Spanish Drought. 

" There is a tradition that in the great drought of 
Spain, Avhich lasted a quarter of a century, the rivers 
AA'ere dried up and ^the cracks of the earth were so wide 
and deep that the^tire of Purgatory Avas visible through 
them. Allusions to this are frequent in the old Spanish 
romances," — Notice of Baretti's Travels in General Maga^ 
ztnGj December, 1772. 

I wish to knoAv if there Is any historical record 
of this drought, and shall be glad of any reference 
to the poets Avho mention it. J. M. K. 

ToRRiNGTON Family. — In the north transept 
of Great Berkhampstead church Is a handsome 
monument, *' whereon," says Weever, "the shape 
of a man In kni^htlv habiliments, with his wife 
lying by him, are cut in alabaster." These are 
said to be the memorials of Richard andMarofaret 

Torrington, Avho lived early in the fourteenth 
century. Is anything further known respecting 
them ? C J. K, 

IIalifax Laav. — I find In Motley's United 
Netherlands (\, 444), the foUoAvIng passage, oc- 
currlnij In a letter written by Leicester to 

Burghley : 

" Under correction, my good Lord, I have had Halifax 
law — to be condemned first, and inquired upon after." 

I have often heard of that peculiar kind of trial 
as applicable to Jedburgh, whence the term 
*^ Jedburgh justice;" but, with the exception of 
the gibbet laAv, I have not read of any peculiarity 
attached to Halifax, and shall feel obliged by any 
one referring me to any other instance by any 
author in which Halifax law is mentioned in the 
same spirit as Leicester quotes it; and judging 
by the manner In which he uses the phrase, it 
would seem to have been proverbial in his time. 

T. Wilson. 

28, Soutbgate Halifax. 

[There was a slight difference between the Jedburgh 
and Halifax law, although the mode of procedure by 
the latter was not very satisfactory to the poor crimi- 
nal. The inhabitants within the forest of Hardwick 
claimed a right or custom, from time immemorial, that if 
a felon be taken with goods to the amount of IS^d. stolen 
within their liberty, after being carried before the lord's 
bailiff and tried by four frith-burgers, from four towns' 
within the said precinct, he was, on condemnation, to be 

executed on the next market-day. 





f f 

i. .1 

Jan. 16, '64.] 




sometimes of those who condemned him. The instru- 
ment or process of execution, similar to the noted French 
guillotine, was denominated " Halifax gibbet law." See 
Bentley's Halifax, and its Gibbet Laia placed in a true 
Light, 12mo, 17G1.] 

Charles Leftley. 




Ijric was given to me, many years ago, by a per- 
son of considerable poetical taste, who told me it 
was written by "Leftley." I neglected then to 
inquire who Leftley was ; but I should be glad if 
any of your correspondents could give informa- 
tion as to who he was, and whether any of his 
writings were published, and are now in ex- 

The style of this little lyric is so truly aerial 
and Shakspcarian, that it reminds one of Ariel's 
song in the Tempest — "Where the bee sucks, 
there suck I " : 


" Zephyr, whither art thou straying? 

Tell me where? 
With prankisli girls in'gardens playing, 

False as fair? 
A butterfly's light back bestriding? 
Queen bees to honeysuckles guiding? 
Or on a swinging harebell riding, 

Free from care ? 

" Before Aurora's car you amble, 

High in air! 
At noon with Neptune's sea-nymphs gamble; 

Braid their hair. 
Now on tumbling billows rolling; 
Or on the smooth sands idly strolling ; 
Or in cool grottoes, listless lolling, 

You sport there ! 

" To chase the moonbeams up the mountains, 

You prepare ; 
Or dnnce with elves on brinks of fountains, 

Mirth to share ! 
Now with love-lorn lilies weeping: 
Now with blushing rose-buds sleeping. 
While fays, from forth their chambers peeping, 

Cry, * Oh rare ! ' '' 

C- H 

[Charles Leftley was educated at St. Paul's School, 
and subsequently employed as parliamentary reporter to 
The Times. A constitution naturally weak was soon 
impaired by his constant exertions of mind and body: a 
decline ensued, and he died in 1797, aged twenty-seven. 
For farther particulars of him consult the following 
work : ** Sonnets, Odes, and other Poems, by the late 
Mr. Charles Leftley, together with a short Account of 
his Life and Writings. By William Linley, Esq., Lond. 
12mo, 1815." This work is noticed in the Gent. Mag. for 
June 1815, p. 536.] 

I Psalm xc. 9. 

Our Prayer-Book version (and 

tlie Bible version is to the same effect) runs thus : 
" We bring our years to an end, as it were a tale 
that is toldy What is the authority for this trans- 
lation? The Septuagint version is as follows: 

ra €T7j l\^wv wael apax^T] ifi^Kercou.^^ ,,. The Vulgate 

says: ".Anni nogtri sicut ^raneft meditabuntur." 

De Sacy has this paraphrase : " Nos annees se 

passent en des vaines inquietudes comme celle de 

araiirnee. "'- --i ^^ 

AVycliffe's rendering 

IS curious. 



yens as an ireyn 
James Dixon. 

Has ire?/7i found its way into any of our archaic 
glossaries ? He says : 
shul be bethoyt." 

[The old irei/n is, no doubt, equivalent to irain and 
araiuy arayiye and arran, which in our language formerly 
signified a spider {aranea^. It would appear, then, that 

Wycliffe intended to follow the version of the LXX. and 
the Vulgate. For this rendering, we are unable to as- 
sign a shadow of authority; but the passage is obscure, 
as it stands in the original HebreAV. 

It will be remarked that, in our Authorised Version, 
the passage stands thus — " As a tale that is told ;" where 
the last three Avords, being italicised, are intended as 
explicative, and have nothing that corresponds to them 
in the Hebrew. Moreover, in the marginal renderings, 
for "as a tale " we find, " Or, as a ineditation,^' — which is 

perhaps the better rendering of the two. In Halliwell we 
find zra/n, arain, aranye^ and arran. but not ireyn.l^ 

Dissolution of Monasteries, etc. — Arch- 
bishop Laud, in his Diary^ under the date of 
1622, June 22, &c , observes : — 

**I saw two books in folio of Sir Robert Cotton's. In 
the one was all the Order of the Reformation in the time 
of lien, VIIL The original letters and dispatches under 
the King's and Bishops', &c., own hands. In the other, 
were all the preparatory letters, motives, &c., for tho 
suppression of the Abbies: their suppression and value, 
in the originals. An extract of both Avhich books I have 

per capita,^^ 

Are these in existence, and have they been 

printed ? 

W. P. 

[The two books consulted by Abp. Laud are now 
among theCottonian manuscripts in the British Museum, 
Cleopatra, E. iv. v., and entitled ^*A volume of papers 
and letters (most of them originals) relating to Monas- 
teries, and the Dissolution of them in the time of Henry 
VIII." — "A collection of papers, chiefly originals, con- 
cerning the Reformation of the Church in the reign of 
King Henry VIII., many of them corrected by the King's 
own hand." For the contents of each volume see the 


596. Much 

of the former MS. has been printed in the volume edited 
by Mr. Wright for the Camden Society.] 

A tower in Arun- 



of the architect called in seventy years ago by the 
then Duke of Norfolk to rebuild Arundel Castle. 
He also built the tower of St. Mary's church, Nor- 
wich. Can any of your readers give an account of 
him, where he was born, where ,he died, and his 

Christian name ? 


An Inquiber. 

to Charles, Duke of 

Norfolk, and built the three-cornered, or triangular tower, 






[S'd S. V. Jan. 16, '64. 




to make copies of parish registers (if ficcompanied 
by the parish clerk to see that I do not mean 
mischief), without being compelled by the incum- 
bent to have certified copies, and to pay 2s. 7d. 
for each of them ? K- I^- C. 

[There is no right to take extracts, or to make copies : 
the legal right is limited to inspection, and to a compari- 
son of the certiaed extract with the original.] 



(2"'» S. iii. 28, 93, 155, 216 ; y" S. iv. 437,524.) 

The word reliable was so fully discussed in 
*' X. & Q." 2"*^ S. that I almost wonder at your 
reopening the question. Having done so, how- 
ever, doubtless you will give me a small space to 
reply to some points in F. C. H.'s letter, 

if you remember. Sir, the very same objections, 
far better put, though with much less strong lan- 
guage, were brought against this word as have 
been now reiterated. The beginning of the 
discussion rose from a letter by Alpha in the 
Athenaeum. Then the controversy seemed to be 
carried on by the Athemeum versus The Times. 
(" Slipshod newspaper writers.") Now the Athe- 
TKEum itself comes in for its share of polite lan- 

First, then, I am at a loss to know how this 
word can be a vile " compound." I thought that 
it being a word quite incapable of composition 
was its one fault ; but no, it has another, it ap- 


cable only 



It is a 

gross perversion of language to use it In the sense 
of anything to be relied upon." So I suppose 
Credible, which I have proved incontrovertibly 
to be an exactly corresponding word, of the same 
form and sense, and suffering from the same ac- 
knowledged defect, must mean " disposed to be- 
lieve " ; batable (= debateable) disposed to bate 

arm I 


If it were 

not for what comes after, I should have thought 
that a sentence, so nnintelligible, must have been 
incorrectly printed. Alpha and many others have 
stated that -ble, -able, always are equivalent to 
passive infinitives. This I showed by numerous 
examples to be a mistake. Now we are told that 
it is a gross perversion to make one particular 
example anything else than a weak future par- 
ticiple active. *' Difiposed to," F. C. H. should 
really explain what this sentence means, for to 

the uninitiated it seome to lack sense altogether. 

The reason given by the supporters of the word 
reliably for its use is, that it is a most convenient 
word, perfectly intelligible, and now really under- 

stood by all, 


meaning , 


shade of meaning not to be found in any other 
word. This is uniformly denied, and usually the 
word trustworthy is proposed as a synonyme ; but 
this word does not express the exact shade of 

_^ ^ for it applies properly to persons, 
whereas^ we want a word to express the same of 

It is an unthoughtful and inaccurate 
expression to speak of a thing being worthy of 
trust': and so thoughtful writers want a word to ' 

to be relied on." F. C. H. 
upon this point. " We can," 
the same sense a host of legiti- 
mate expressions ; in fact, our language abounds 
with words expressive of the meaning to which 
this vile compound has been so lamentably ap- 
plied." And yet I venture to affirm that he has 
not adduced a single instance. But then in place 



says he, " use in 



thereof he has given us a 



string of 

words which have a perfectly different significa- 

tion. Q 


as they are, then, let us glance through them. 
We can proclaim a person or a source of informa- 
tion to be 

1 . Trusty. — Yes, of a person ; no, of a thing. 

2. Credible. — Of a person or fact. True ; but 
the word is in Latin at least as defective as re- 

3. Veracious. — Applied to a fact would be utter 
nonsense.. Veracious means .weaking truth. 

4. Authentic, 
rem in any way 
but quite unreliable. 

Absurd of persons, and nihil ad 

" ' - - authentic 

The facts might be 


Respcctahle. — These men are respectable; 


these facts are respectable. 

late either expression into worthy of being relied 

upon ? 

6. Unden 


The persons I shall next 


produce, my lud, are undeniable," 

would be a clever fellow if he made much out of 

it. Again : these facts are undeniable, would be 

sense, but would not mean the same as unrer 
liable. , ,. 

7. Indisputable .—Tho, same. Witnesses tem^g 
indisputable is not sense. If it means anything, it 
must be such as cannot be disputed ( 

Yile ^ word, therefore, as reliable. 



8. What are we to say of an undoubted wljt- 
ness? Has the word ever been used in the sense 
of trustworthy ? I trow not. We all know what 
undoubted facts are. We can rely upon them 
certainly, because they are undoubted and cer- 
tain, but the reliableness is not even hinted at in 
the word undoubted. 

iV *■« 

be used oF 

persons. It may well be used of facts, but tti 
it also suffers from the same defect as No." 8. 





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expresses much more than reliable, though it 
do(fS not give the exact shade of meaning at all. 

In conclusion, I can only say that I think this 
word has caused a great deal of causeless irrita- 
tion and stormy language — language showing far 
worse taste than the use of this word which I have 
shown before to be only one out of many, and quite 
as well formed as many words in Latin and English, 
which have been used at all times by the best 




(3^^ S. iv. 429.) 

In answer to the query of your correspondent 
as to the politics of this worthy man and sound 
lawyer, perhaps the following facts, coming from 
one that knew him, may not be unacceptable : — 

Sir Robert Gifford, like many other able law- 

Qow forgotten. His appearance on the 
Queen Caroline was, although on the 
unpopular side, remarkably brilliant. It was 
neither so rhetorical or eloquent as that of his 
opponent, Brougham, but it was powerful and to 
the point, and worthy of the position he held as 

He was a Tory from the time of his first ap- 
pearance, and was never a " rat.'' He rose from 
the ranks, and in attaininij his ultimate hiirh sta- 
tion, had no aid from political jobbery or aris- 
tocratic connections. He early attracted the 
notice of Lord Eldon for his ability as a lawyer. 
Latterly, from holdint^ briefs in Scottish cases, he 
acquired a sound knowledge of the law of that 
country. Then, as now, the peers had beeij 
grumblini^ at the vast quantities of appeals from 

' ; and as Lord Eldon, even with the 
aid of Lord Iledesdale, could not master them, it 
became a matter of serious consideration how to 
dispose of them. 

Thus it was that Sir Robert was 

the North 

55ir Kobert was pitched upon 
by the ministry to abate the evil, and as Deputy 
Speaker of the House of Lords, to hear and 
decide them. It was at one time thought that 
Sir Robert should only have a life-rent peerage ; 
but the expediency as well as legality of such a 
measurq was doubted by sound constitutional 
lawyers. Indeed it was generally rumoured that 
on the thing being suggested to the proposed life- 
rent nobleman, it was without hesitation declined. 
He had been raised to the Bench as Lord Chief 
Justice of the Court of Common Pleas January 8, 
1824, and created, January 30, a Peer of the Realm 
by the style and title of Baron Gifford of St. 



Chief Justice 

In April he 


His decisions in 

pointed Master of the Rolls, 

Scotch cases gave general satisfaction ; and as he 

was somewhat more rapid in giving'judgment 

than Lord Eldon was, he very soon disposed of 

the greater portion of the arrears. His lordship 
died prematurely on Sept, 4, 1826, to the great 
regret of his friends and to the loss of his country, 
for he was both an able and impartial judge. As 
he was born Feb. 24, 1779, he was therefore in 
the forty-seventh year of his age. 

Lord Gifford was a good-looking man ; mild in 
his general demeanour, and courteous to counsel ; 
a kind husband, and an affectionate father. He 
married as soon as his circumstances would admit, 
and he was fortunfite in the object of his choice, 
for Lady Gifford was as amiable as she was beau- 
tiful. She was, if I [mistake not, a clergyman's 
daughter. His eldest son, and inheritor of his peer- 
age, married a daughter of the Lord Fitzhardinge, 
a nobleman whose claim to be Baron Berkely by 
tenure was, we are inclined to think, somewhat 
hastily disposed of some short time since by a 
Committee of Privileges. J. M, 

(3^^ S. iv. 411, 522.) 

I am quite unable to answer M. F.'s inquiry as 
to whether Mrs. Fitzherbert had a child either by 
her first husband, Mr. Weld, or her second, Mr. 
Fitzherbert ; but if not, the child introduced into 
the caricatures referred to by M. F. is probably 
an allusion to a piece of scandal current at the 
time, and which was given to the public in a 
pamphlet entitled Nemesis^ or a Letter to Alfred. 
By '^^ * * *^ There is no date, but there can be 

little doubt that it was published in 1789, inas- 
much as it contains an affidavit bv the Kev. 
rhilip"! Wither, stating that it reached liim by 
the Fenny Post ; that he was totally ignorant of 
the author, and that he believed every part of it 

to be strictly true, except so much of it as related 
to himself. The affidavit is dated Feb, 11, 1789. 
The following passage gives Nemesis' scandalous 
account of Mrs. Fitzherbert: 

•*The first time the Prince saw Mrs. Fitzherbert was 
in Lady Sefton's box at the Opera, and the novelty of 
her face, more than the brilliancy of her charms, had the 
usual effect of enamouring the Prince. But he hud not 
to do with a raw, unpractised girl. An experienced 
dame, who had been twice a widow, was not likely to 
surrender upon common terms. She looked forwards 
towards a more brilliant prospect which her ambition 
might artfullj'- suggest, founded upon the feeble character 
of an amorous young Prince. She adopted the stale arti- 
fice of absenting herself for some months, and went to 
Plombiers, in Lorrain, where she contracted an intimacy 
with the Marquis de Bellevoye,* with whom she with- 
drew for some time, and lived in the greatest familiarity. 
The consequence of this intercourse was a necessity of 

— ■■■■■■■ ■^- -- ■ I ^ ■ < ■ ■ ■ » ■—■■■■. 

* Reputed the handsomest man in France before he was 
shot in the face, but that accident cooled Mrs. Fitzher- 
bert'e passion. — Note in OrimnaL 





retiring to Paris,* where, by means of her^ two Scotch 
Toad-eaters, the scandalous transaction was mdustnously 

concealed. , r *t, 

" Lest the matter should come to the ears ot tne 

Prince, it was thought right to come to England imme- 
diately, and bv Mr. Bouverie and Mr. Errington's assi- 
duity, the marriage was concluded. Whether in Grafton 
Street or Cleveland Square shall be fully disclosed. Iler 
relations, particularly her uncle, Mr. Farmer and Mr. 
Throgmorton, were tirst proud of the event; but smce 
the publication of your book, they have been very shy 

upon the subject. 

"The Marquis came over last winter, and became 
Ix-nown to the Prince. Mrs. Fitzherbert, fearing a disco- 
very, spoke of him as a man unworthy the Prince's ac- 
qua'intance. The Marquis, piqued, demanded the two 
thousand pounds she had borrowed from him; she re- 
fused to pay him unless he gave up her letters, with her 
notes of hand, which he refused. She then sent Anthony 
St. Leger and Weltje to negociate; and after much de- 
bate, by means of the Abbe Lechamp, the matter was 
compromised for tlie sum of two hundred pounds ; but 
the letters were not given up, and may hereafter be pub- 
lished to the disgrace ofaP****** who stands in 
so eminent a relation with respect to this country. Her 
brother Wat Smith, whom she had ill-treated, divulged 
many of the secrets, but he has been lately silenced by a 
large sum of money. Immense sums have been lavished 
in trinkets, and much is due to Gray and Castlefranc on 
her account. The expenses of puffing paragraphs in her 
favour, and of suppressing others against her, have 
amounted to large sums, which must come out of the 

public purse 

"She has correspondence in France through the Gros 
Abho, the Duke of Orleans's bastard brother, and through 
Abbe' Tavlor, and some Irish Friars in many parts of 
Italy." &c. 

A charge so gross could not pass unnoticed by 
the lady. The Kev. Philip Wither, who styled 
himself " Chaplain to Lady Dowager Hereford," 
and was a writer of political and polemical tracts, 
was indicted for libel, found guilty, sentenced to 


the term of his imprisonment had expired. 

there before 



(3^^^ S. V. 40.) 

Thoujih no one is bound to believe the tradi- 
tion of St. Patrick and the Shamrock, it is not 
to be summarily disposed of as attempted in the 
article referred to above. This is the first time 
I have heard that any one considered the subject 
as a weak invention of the enemy ; though this 
correspondent declares that he has always so con- 
sidered it. I am perfectly at a loss to conceive why 
he should so consider it. It is a very respect- 
able tradition, very widely received, very firmly 
believed, very respectably defended, and very 
warmly cherished by a whole nation, and many 

• Does the author design to insinuate that Plombiere 
was unable to furnish a midwife, and the other accom- 
modation necessary for a ladv obedient to the divine 
command— increase and multiply P—iVb^e in Original 

Others for many centuries. What could any 
enemy to Christianity have hoped to gain by in- 
venting such a story ? We may perhaps ^ guess 
what Mr. Pinkebton would assign for his mo- 
tives, as he seems to consider the tradition unten- 
able, because St. Patrick was too much of '' a 
Christian, a man of common sense, and ordinary 
ability," to have recourse to such an expedient. 
Now I should maintain exactly the reverse, and 
contend that it was precisely because the saint 
was such a man, that he was most likely to employ 
the Shamrock as he is believed to have done. 

He laboured to convert a rude, illiterate nation 
of Pagans to the belief of the sublime truths of 
Christianity. What more natural, when he incul- 
cated the belief in the great, fundamental doctrine 
of the Blessed Trinity, than to employ an object 
calculated to facilitate in some degree to their 
uncultured minds the belief of the mysterious 
Trinity ? As a " Christian," he would be anxious 
to gain their souls to Christ, and gladly take up a 
simple plant to help to illustrate his divinity. As 
a ^' man of common sense," he would see that the 
easiest way to enlighten their rude minds would 
be to adopt some very simple image, which their 
capacity could readily take in ; and as a man of 
'^ ordinary ability," he would employ that ability 
in choosing an illustration most likely to produce 
the effect which he desired. Certainly every one 
knows that no material substance can be com- 
pared to the divine mystery of the Trinity ; but 
this St. Patrick never attempted. He used the 
shamrock, not in comparison with the mystery, 
but as some sort of illustration, however feeble 
and imperfect, to soften the difficulty for the poor 
pagans, which it was well calculated to do. For 
myself, I am free to own, that being a "Christian," 
and I hope " a man of common sense " to boot, 
were I engaged to preach Christianity now to a 
nation of heathens, I should readily make use of 
any such illustration ; and am confident that it 
would greatly facilitate their belief in the divine 
mystery of the Blessed Trinity. 

The well-known name of Herb Trinity given to 
the Anemone Tiepatica^ on account of the three 
lobes of its leaf, shows that other Christians and 

men of common 


found plants with similar leaves, in some degree 
symbolical of the adorable Trinity. F. C. H.; 

* . 

t > 

I send you these few lines merely with the 
view of informing Mr. W. Pinkerton that I 
really see no reason why he should express his 
surprise on finding " that Canon Dalton takes 
up the subject in a serious manner." . •-.(kB *■ 

What was the subject? I sent a Query, to 
know^ on what foundation rested the ancient 
tradition, that St. Patrick made use of the Sham- 
rock to illustrate the Blessed Trinity ? F. C. H. 

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- % ' 


to the effect 

that, though the tradition was ancient and vene- 
rable, there seemed to be no historical foundation 

for it. 

Mr. Pinkert* 
the tradition an 
reverent story.'* 

iN now comes forth, and calls 
'* absurd, if not egregiously ir- 
Wht/^ I cannot understand, 
except that he appears, in his first paragraph, to 
have made a very strange mistake : these are his 
words : 

" For, surely, it must be evident to the meanest capa- 
city, that neither as a symbol, argument, nor illustration, 
any material substance, natural or artificial, be com- 
id to the Divine Mystery of the Trinity in Unity." 

Thus your correspondent supposes that St. 
Patrick compared the Shamrock to the mystery 
of the Trinity ! Surely there must be some mis- 
take. Is there not a great difference between 

Shamrock to the Blessed Trinity, 
and making use of it merely as a faint illustra- 

of Three distinct Persons united 







m one 

Divine Person ? This latter is all that the tradi- 
tion affirms; hence, I cannot see the least absur- 
dity in supposing the Saint to have made use of 
the Shamrock for this purpose. 

Mr. Pinkerton refers to the well-known trea- 
tise of St. Aujjustine De Triiiitate. There the 
Saint makes use of an illustration to explain, in an 
imperfect manner, the teaching of the Church on 
the adorable Mystery of the Blessed Trinity. He 
mentions that, as there are three Persons in one 
God, so the three distinct powers of the Soul 
the Will, the Memory, and the Understanding 
is an emblem or illustration of the Trinity. Now, 
I maintain that these two different illustrations, 
made use of by St. Patrick and St. Augustine, 
are far from being absurd or " egregiously irre- 
verent." J. Dalton. 

Without interferinix in the discussion as to St. 
Patrick and the Shamrock, which I am content 
to leave in Canon Dalton's hands, I beg to point 
out to Mr. Pinkerton that the appearance of the 



fleur-de-lys on the mariner's compass 

bearing at all upon his case. His words are these 
(p. 41): 

" It" (the fleur-de-lys) " also appears on the mariner's 
compass and the pack of playing cards; two things 
which, however essentially different, are still the two 
things that civilisation has most widely extended over 
the habitable globe.'* 

I will not pause to examine the exactness of 
the assertions contained in this extract. My only 
object in this reply is to mention the facts which 
concern the fleur-de-lys. 

The fleur-de-lys appears on the mariner's com^ 
pass, because Gioia invented, or perfected, it. 
Morerl says : — r i'. 

. V Gioia (Jean) natif d'Amalphi dans le Royaume de 
Naples, ayant oui parler de la vertu de la pierre d'Aimant, 

s'en servit dans ses navigations, et, pen h. peu, h, forces 
d'experiences, il inventa et perfectionna la Boussole. 
Pour marquer que cet instrument avoit ^te invent^ par 
un sujet des Eois de Naples, qui etoient alors Cadets de 
la Maison de France de la Branche des Comtes d'Anjou, 
il niarqua le Septentrion avec une Fleur-de-lys, ce qui a 
et^ suivy par toutes les nations." 

Moreri sives no date to Gioia. But the Tablettes 
Chronologiques of the Abbe Lenglet du Fresnoy 
place him under the year 1302. It is true that 
Du Fresnoy says, " II paroit par Guyot de Pro- 
vins, Poeta Francjois de la fin du xii siecle, que 
la Boussole ctoit des-lors en usage en France." 
But, if that statement is true, it only carries the 
fleur-de-lys to the place from which Anjou and 
Naples obtained it. And if, as is usually sup- 
posed, playing cards " were extended over the 
habitable globe" from France, the appearance of 
the fleur-de-lys upon them is taken back to the 
same source, and the value of both these instances 
will be determined by the value of the French 
fleur-de-lys itself as an instance. 

The introduction of the well-known incident in 
the life of St. Augustine does not seem very appo- 
site, and not a sufficient excuse for the expressions 
*' absurd, if not egregiously irreverent," which I 



by Mr. Pinkerton. 

Stuarts Lodge, Malvern Wells, 

D. P. 




) — J. W. M. will find the required quota- 
tion in Dr. King s '' Supplement to the Life of 
Sir Thomas More " (printed m extenso in Faulk- 
ner's Chelsea, vol. i. p. 113 — '^ Ayscough's Cat. 

MSS. Brit. Mus. No. 4455 " is the reference given 

in the foot note.) 

The passage at length is as follows : 

" Sir Thomas being one day at nu- lord mayor's table, 
word was brought him, that there was a gentleman, 
who was a foreigner, inquired for his lordship (lie being 
then Lord Chancellor); they having nearly dined, the 
Lord Mayor ordered one of his officers to take the gen- 
tleman into his care, and give him what he best liked. 
The officer took Erasmus into the lord mayor's cellar, 
where he chose to eat o^^sters and drink wine (as the 
fashion was then) drawn into leathern jacks and poured 
into a silver cup. As soon as Erasmus had well refreshed 

himself, he was introduced to Sir Thomas More. At his 
first coming in to him, he saluted him in Latin. 

Sir Thomas asked him, Unde venis? 

Erasmus. Ex inferis. 

Sir Thomas. Quid ibi agitur? 

Erasmus. Vivis vescuntur et bibunt ex ocreis. 
Sir Thomas. Annoscis? 
Erasmus. Aut tu es Morus aut nullus. 
Sir Thomas. Et tu es aut deus, aut daemon, aut mcus 

Walter E,yb. 

King's Eoad, Chelsea. 

The words " Aut tu es Morus aut nullus," are 
those of Erasmus ; and the retort " Aut tu es 






Amongst his otlier eminent acquaintance, he 
(More) was particularly attached to Erasmus. 
They had long corresponded before they were 
personally known to each other. Erasmus came 
to England for the purpose of seeing his friend ; 
and it was contrived that they should meet at the 
Lord Mayor's table before they were introduced 
to each other. At dinner they engaged in argu- 
ment. Erasmus felt the keenness of his antago- 
nist's wit ; and when hard pressed, exclaimed, 
'^ You are More, or nobody,'' the reply was, 
" You are Erasmus, or the devil." {Gallery of 



Storque (3'** S. iv. 475.) — Does not Ogygius, 
in calling his victim " ray stork" taunt him with 
the excess of (rropy)) he has displayed? 

In tlie copy of Randolph's posthumous Poerns^ 
1G3S, in the British Museum, the following ana- 
gram of the name of Richard, Lord Weston, 
Chancellor of the Exchequer, created Earl of 
Portland in 1632, is written on a flyleaf: 

" Vir durus ac houestus. 
Ricliardus Westonus, 
Vir durus ac bonus. 

''Te licet durum vocat ac lionestum, 
Xominis foelix anagramma vestri, 
Sis tameu quasi mihi mit^ durus, 

Valde et lionestus. 

" AlUhough your Lordsliippe's happy annagramme, 
Give you of hard and honest both the name, 
Yet let that hard (I praye you) fall on mee 
Gently, and pay mee with your honesty. 

Tiio. Raxdolph." 

As Randolph died in 1634, and the Poems were 
published by his brother after his death, I am at 
a loss to understand this flyleaf inscription. 

Job J. B. Workard. 

Heraldic Visitations printed (3^^ S. iv. 433.) 
The Visitation of London, taken by Robert 
Cooke, Clarenceux, 1568, has recently been edited 





Clerk OF the Cheque (3'^ 
an officer in the King's Court, so called because he 
hath the check and controlinent of the yeomen of 
the guard, and all other ordinary yeomen belonging 
either to the king, queen, or prince; giving leave, 
or allowing their absence in attendance, or di- 
nainishing their wages for the same : he also, by 
himself or deputy, takes the view of those that 
are to watch in the court, and hath the setting of 
the watch, 33 Hen, VIIL c. 12. Also there is 
an officer of the same name in the king's navy at 
Plymouth, Deptford, Wool — - - 



(Jacob's Law Dictionary, 1772, 

W. I. S. Horton. 

Quotations wanted (S**^ S. iv. 474, 498, &c.) 

The lines commencing 


" Few the words that I have spoken 

are by the Rev. J. Moultrie, Rector of Rugby, 
and appear in the volume of Poems published by 


In Bishop Alley's Commentary on St. Peter^s 

Epistles^ the lines 

" Hoc est nescire, sine Christo plurima scire ; 
Christum si bene scis, satis est, si caetera nescis ^ 

are thus rendered : 

" To know much without Christ is nothing expedient; 
But well to know Christ is onely sufficient." 

The original source of the thought I am unable 
to indicate. 

What authority has J. L. for calling the couplet 

an epitaph ? 

C. J. R. 

' God and the doctor," &c. 

The following lines by Quarles convey the same 


" Our God and soldier we alike adore, 
Ev'n at the brink of ruin, not before; 
After deliv'rance both alike requited. 
Our God's forgotten, and our soldier's slighted." 

I have heard the lines as quoted by T. C. B., but 
fancy they are only a version of the above^ 

W. I. S. Horton. 

Vixen : Fixen (S''^ S. iv. 389, 463.)— In looking 
through Gammer Gurton^s Needle (printed 1575, 
or, according to Oldys, as quoted by Hawkins, 
1551) in Dodsley's Old Plays, I have discovered 

the word '* fixen " twice used 

" That false ^a-en, that same 

Act III. So. 2. 

*' Ah, Hodge, Hodge, where was thy help, when Jixen 
had me down? "—Act IIL So. 3. 

John Addis. 

Rob. Burns (3^^ S. iv. 49t.)— Watt's Biblio- 
theca Britannica is far from an immaculate work, 
and I venture to think the Caledonian Musical 
Museum of 1809, there ascribed to the younger 
Burns, is among the compiler's errors of commis- 
sion. A book under that title is mentioiied by 


Lowndes under 




Museum, &c. &c.) 

3," with a portrait of 
robability that it is (in 
books, under the titles 
isitory, Edinburgh Mu^ 

Ayrshire bard, is, I presume, its only connection 

/ 1 

with the name of Burns. 

That Robert Burns, Jun., in early life had an 
inclination for his father's divine art, we know ; 
but Chambers — one of the latest of the poets' 
biographers, tells us that although he wrote a 
few songs and some pieces of miscellaneous poetry 
of considerable merit, his removal in 1804 to ^ 

London repressed his literary aspirations, wlbich 


J ^ 

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were ultimately criisTied out by a long life of 
routine drudgery at the Stamp Office. J* O* 

Brettingham (3^^ S. iv. - 
Messrs. Cooper for the dates < 
this architect and of his son. C 

Thanks to 


I possess a small 8vo, printed for J. Murray, 
32, Fleet Street, and W. Nicoll, St. Paul's Church- 
yard, 1779, entitled The Toilet of Flora. I am 
afraid An Inquirer will not obtain the informa- 
tion he expects from the book* The only mention 
of laurel water is at p. 1, in the following terms : 

"-4» Aromatic Bath. — Boil for the space of two or three 

Brettingham, also an architect, and supposed to minutes in a sufficient quantity of river water, one or 
have been a nephew of the father above named, more of the following plants—viz. laurel, thyme, rose- 
mary, wild thyme, &c., &c. ; or any other herbs that have 
an agreeable scent. Having strained off the liquor from 
the herbs, add to it a little brandy or camphorated spirits 
of wine. This is an excellent batli to strengthen the 
limbs; it removes pains proceeding from cold, and pro* 

and whom he appears to have succeeded 

art ? The latest date of him given in the profes- 

• 1 i • J T T^ * J ■ _/* A "L * ^ J. 

Dictionary/ of 



tice much later, as he was then only about forty - 
five years of age. Wyatt Papwortu. 

Shakspeare and Plato (3'"^ S. iv* 473.) — 

It is truly singular," says Coleridge, " that Plato, 

motes perspiration. 


genuine prophet and anticipator as he was of the Pro- 
testant Christian Era, should have given, in his Dialogue 
of the Banquet^ a justification of our Shakspeare; for he 
relates that, when all the other guests had either dis- 
persed or fallen asleep, Socrates only, together with Ari- 
stophanes and Agathou, remained awake; and that, 
while he continued to drink with them out of a large 
goblet, he compelled them, though most reluctantly, to 
admit that it was the business of one and the same 
genius to excel in tragic and comic poetry, or that the 
tragic poet ought, at the same time, to contain within 
himself the powers of comedy." — Remains^ vol. xi. p. 12. 


Laurel Water (S""^ S. v. 11.) 

" In the observations on Donellan's case contained in 
Mr. Townsend's Life of Justice Buller {Lives of English 
Judges^ p. 14), the following statement is made : — ' In his 
(Donellan's) library there happened to be a single number 

of the Philosophical Transactions; and of this single num- 

(3'^ S. V. 


A. F. B. 

The Pholeys, better 

known as Foulahs, are well described in Mungo 
Park's first Travels in Africa, He speaks of 

them in several parts of his book as he happened 

to come among them. 


They are found near the 

coast of Africa. They are of a tawny complexion, 
with silky hair and pleasing features. They are 
of a mild disposition, and retain their own lan- 
guage, though most of them have some knowledge 
of Arabic. They are employed in husbandry ; 
have large herds and flocks, and use milk chiefly 
as their diet, but not till it is quite sour. They 
make butter, but not cheese. They also possess 
excellent horses, the breed of which seems to be a 
mixture of the Arabian with the original African. 

chapters ii. iv. xiv. F. C. H 

Penny Loaves at Funerals (3'^'' S. v. 35.) 

Whether the custom of distributing penny loaves 

ber the leaves had been cut only in one place, "and this at funerals still exists at Gainsborouch, I do not 

place happened to contain an account of the making of 
laurel water by distillation.' Nothing is said of this in the 
reports of the trial. It is something like the evidence in 
Palmer's case about the note on strychnine in the book, 
although much stronger." — Stephen's General View of 
the Criminal Law of England, 1863, p. 348 n. 

R. R. Dees. 


if Flora 

ured through a notice of *' Books Wanted" 
N. & Q/' There is no mention in it of laurel 
water ; but in a work published nearly half a 


know ; but the other question of Robert Kempt 
is very readily answered. He asks what was the 
origin of this custom. It was the pious practice 
of our ancestors to direct in their wills that doles 
of bread or other alms should be given to the 
poor at their funerals, whereby they performed 
a double act of charity, relieving the corporal 
wants of the poor, and securing their prayers for 
the repose of their own souls. This custom not 
only prevailed in England till the change of reli- 
gion in the sixteenth century, but has been kept 
up among Catholics ever since^ I could point out 

1753, the poisonous quality of laurel water is no- 
ticed under the article " Laui-o-Cerasus," the 

aiithor there observes : " This was discovered in 
Dublin by the accident of two women dying sud- 
denly afrer drinking some the distilled laurel 
water." Several experimtihts Were then made by 
Drs. Madden and Mortlmei*, and communicated 
to the Royal Society. See Phil. Trans. Nos. 418, 

?20- . Septimus Piesse, F.C.S. 


have been distributed in loaves of bread to the 
poor at the funerals of wealthy Catholics. There 
can be no doubt that the custom at Gainsborough 
is a remnant of this ancient practice. F. C. H. 

Trade and Imphovement of Ireland (3'''^ S. 

V. 35.) 

Arthur Dobbs published a second part 

of his Essay on the Trade and Improvement of 
Ireland in 1731, 8vo. There is no account of 
him in Chalmers's Biographical Dictionary^ but 

your correspondent may find a short notice of 



[S'^d s. V. Jan. 16, '64. 

McCulloch's Lilerdtare of Political Eco 

(1845, 8vo, p. 46) 


There is, however, a fuller biography of Arthur 
Dobbs in George Chahners's valuable " Lives of 


Trade and Political Economy," 
which is a storehouse of information on the sub- 
ject. It is in manuscript in my possession, form- 
ing a thick 4to volume, and has never yet been 

Jas. Crossley. 





The armorial bearing 

at Dublin in 1731. Both parts of the work have 
recently been reprinted in vol. ii. of 

"A Collection of Tracts and Treatises illustrative of 
the Natural History, Antiquities, and the Political and 
Social State of Ireland, at various Periods prior to the 
present Century: in Two Volumes." Dublin, 18G1, 8vo. 

All the above-mentioned works are in the 
library of Trinity College, Dublin. 


Arms of Saxony (3'*^ S. v. 12.) — The writer 
of the Query entitled " The Prince Consort's 
Motto," expresses his opinion that the white horse 
of Saxony is derived from a passage in the Book 
of Revelations (xix. 11). 
in question is, without doubt, of a date long ante- 
rior to the era of the Reformation. The Horse 
was the emblem on the standllrd of the earliest 
Saxon invaders of the South of England, and is 
preserved in the names of the Saxon leaders 
Hengist (German, Hengst := Stallion) and Horsa 
(our *' Horse " and the German ^^ Ross.'') We 
find it again in the arms of Kent. Those Saxon 
invaders most probably were of the same race as 
the present inhabitants of Hanover and West- 
phalia, if we may judge from their speaking the 
" Platt-deutsch," or Low German, which is the 
same branch of the Teutonic from which the 
Anglo-Saxon was descended. Further, the arms 
of Hanover, as well as of Westphalia, are, to this 

De Letii. 

day, a white horse. 



Est Rosa tlos Veneris" (1*^ S. i. 458: 
5. IV. 453 ; v. 15.) — The passage sought after 
in the llhodologia of Rosenberg is as follows : 

" Rosam Cupido Veneris filius, ut poetas fabulantur, 
Harpocrati, silentii Deo, digito labia compescenti, donavit. 
Undfe mosille cumprimis Septentrionalium, fluxisse vide- 
tur, ut in coenaculis Rosa lacunaribus supra mensarum 
vertices uffigatur, quo quisque secreti tenax esset, nee 
facilfe divulgaret ea, quae sub rosa, id est, silentii fide dicta. 
Qua de re elegantissinius Poeta sequentem in modum 
canit: — " Est rosa flos Veneris," &c. Part 1, cap. 2. 

The author of the lines is not named. 

Job J. B. Workaei>. 



(3"^ S. V. 26.) 

There was yet another monthly periodical called 
The Amateur^ which also had an existence of 
nine months, having been born in July, 1855, and 

having expired in March, 1856, during which time 
eight numbers were published. It was intended 
to be a quarterly publication ; but " in conse- 
quence of the encouragement " that the first 
number received, it was altered to a monthly. At 
its fourth issue its price was reduced from 1*. to 
Qd. It was " projected by a small staff of unpro- 
fessional writers," and was published at 16, Great 

isrh Street. I believe that its editor 

was Mr. I 

' ^ - - J ' ^ CD 

lublished work (anonymous) wa 
Monster: a Christmas Lesson. 


Whatshisnarae (pp. 101). James Cooke, Fen- 

church Street, 1854. 


Mad as a Hatter (S"^"^ S. v. 24.) — Colchester 
and all its natives remonstrate against your cor- 
respondent Schin's suggestion as to the origin of 
this phrase. Even the hatters there are not will- 
ing to remove the obnoxious cap from their own 
heads on such terms. Neither sound nor sense 
could reconcile them to the notion of raakinij the 
oyster a symbol of madness. 


Finding some time 


I think in Halliweirs Dictionary 


gnatlery Is ui^ed in some parts of England in the 
sense of irritable, I fancied that in the same places 
a gnat might be called a gnatter, and hence 

1 i 1 .^^ ^i T J _ i jr •-1^ T 


mad as a 


I do not think I was far 

wrong ; though perhaps natter, the German name 
for adder, points to the true origin. It is easy to 
trace the progress — a natter^ an atter^ a hatter. 


EiCHARD Adams (2^^ S. x. 70; 3^** S. iv. 527; 

v. 42.) 

We see no reason to doubt the identity 

of the Richard Adams, who died in 1661, with the 
Fellow Commoner of Catharine Hall. At the 
period in question admission at a college at the 
age of fifteen was no unusual occurrence, nor is 
there anything remarkable in Latin verses by a 
lad of seventeen. We shall be obliged by a copy 
of the monumental inscription to Richard Adams 
in Lancaster church. 

C. H. & Thompson Cooper. 


Madman's Food tasting of Oatmeal Por- 

ridge (3 





The following extract 

from the Nodes AmbrosiancB may enlighten your 

correspondent Y. P. It is necessary, however, in 

the first place to observe, that the conversation 

has been turning on the Letters on Demonology 

and "FTiicAcra/if, recently contributed by Sir Walter 

Scott to the Family Library^ then in course of 
publication : 

" Shepherd, I'm inclined to gang alang wi' you, Sir.' v 
*' North. You must go along with me, James. *'' ' »'» 
" Shepherd. Na; no unless I like^ , : ". • -♦ * ^ 

" North. However, suppose that Sir Walter had stated 
the real difference. How does he illustrate it? 
" Shepherd. Hoo can I tell ? 
" North. By the story of an insane patient in the In- 
firmary of Edinburgh, who, though all his meals consisted 



3'<»S. V. Jan. 16, '64.] 



of porridge, believed that he had every day a dinner of 

ng lie ate tasted ofp 





Sir Edward May (3^* S. v. 35.)— Sir Edward 
May, M.P. for Belfast, was the son of Sir James 
May, M.P. for the co. Waterford, who was created 

baronet June 30, 1763. A few particulars 


of the pedigree appear in 
Dormant Baronetcies. 
eight billets, or. 

Burke's Extinct and 
Arms : gu. a fess between 

Sir William Sevenoke (3'-* S.v. 37.)— In the 
" List of Mayors of London," compiled by Paul 
AVright, B.D., F.S.A., 1773, appended to Hey 

Heln to E 

the arms are de- 

scribed—" Az. seven acorns or," and are engraved 
three, three, and one. This is probably correct. 

R. W. 

Longevity of Clergymen (3''* S. v. 22, 44.) 
The Preston Chronicle of Jan. 9, 1864, records the 
demise on Jan. 3, of the Rev. Joseph Rowley, in- 
cumbent of Stalmine, Lancashire, for sixty-four 
years ; having been appointed thereto in the year 
1799. The reverend gentleman was for fifty-four 
years— viz. from 1803 to 1858, chaplain of Lan- 
caster Castle, during which period he attended 
the execution of no less than 170 persons. 


Paper Marks (3 





The Rev. 

Samuel Dunne, son of the archdeacon, an anti- 
quary of some eminence, communicated in 1795 
to the Archcdologia a verj^ interesting and valuable 
article on Paper Marks. It is chiefly drawn up 
from some materials collected by Mr. Thomas 
Fisher, printer, of Rochester, and is illustrated 



plates exhibiting various 

marks from 

1473 to 1712. The size and form of the paper 
bearing the mark is shown, and the substance of 
the material is described as far as it can be. Alto- 
gether it is a very curious document. X. A. X. 

The Laird of Lee {3'^ S. v. 34.) — The 
Laird of Lee is commonly understood to be Lock- 
hart of Lee. Wodrow (vol. i. p. 282), says that 
Sir James Lockhart of Lee was the only sober 
man at the drunken meeting of Council at Glas- 
gow, 1662, which ejected so many ministers, and 
that he alone opposed it. This was more than 
twenty years before the Mauchline Martyrdom; 
80 that, however likely, it caimot be quite certain 
either that he is the person alluded to in the 
inscription on the Mauchline Monument, or, sup- 
^ posin;^^ he is, that it does him justice. J. R. B. 


Frith Silver (3-"^ S. iv. 477, 529.)— Fee-farm 
rents are payable to Lord Somers in most parts 
of the North Riding of Yorkshire ; and regular 
audits held at certain market towns, and collec- 
tions made by Mr. Samuel Dauby, of 7, Gray's 

Inn Square. The devisees of a Mr. Robinson have 
also a similar claim upon all estates which once 
possessed a deer park, surrounded by a bow rake. 
I believe frith silver is in lieu of underwood. 

I apprehend Mr. Danby is our best 



(3-^^ S. iv. 496.) 

evening converzationi 

" I was indebted for my first glimmering knowledge of 
history and antiquities to those 
round our small turf fire, where, after a frugal repast 
upon that imaginative dish, ^ potatoes and point,' my 
father used to talk of the traditions of other times. 

When there is but a small portion of salt left, the 
potatoe, instead of being dipped into it by the guests, is 
merely, as a sort of indulgence to the fancy, pointed at 




W. D. 

Greek aisd Roman Games (3*^** S. v. 39.) 
It may be added that the Nomocanon of Photius, 
and the Scholia of Balsamon, were republished in 
Voelli et Justelli Bihliotheca Juris Canonici Ve- 
teins^ Grmce et Latine^ Paris, 1661, 2 voll. fol. In 
loc. cit. Tit. xiii. c. 29, Balsamon supplies no 
further illustration than what has already been 
quoted. He only adds : 

" Videtur etiam mihi quoque alterum hunc ludum a 
lege aversabunde vitari et puairi; utpote qui cottum 
confirmet."— P. 1131. 

For /cf^TTos, see Ducange, Glossarium Medics et 

Tiifimai Latinitatis : ^^~^Thv kv^ou^ ^roi rhv kottou.'' 



(3^<» S. 




sidesmen appointed last Easter at the meeting of 
the parish of St. Michael's, Lichfield, were thir- 
teen in number; and were designated to the 

eight out-townships included in that parish. They 
are only assistants to the churchwardens, in re- 
ference to their respective townships. Iheir 
duties in recent times appears, from Canon 90 of 
the Constitutions of 1562, to be to prevent ab- 
sence of parishioners from church, and disturb- 

ance to the 


by absentees. 


Canon 89, the word " churchwarden " is made 
equivalent to questman (say inquestman or in- 


prior to these Constitutions, there 

was a distinction, for 

" In the ancient episcopal synods^ the bishops were wont 
to summon divers creditable persons out of every parish, 
to give information of, and to attest the disorders of clergy 
and people. These were called testes synodales ; and 
were in after times a kind of impanneled jury, consisting 
of two, three, or more persons in every parish, who were 
upon oath to present all hcreticks and other irregular 
persons (A"en. Par. Ant. 649). And these in process of 
time became standing officers in several places, especially 
in great cities; and from hence were called synods-men^ 
and by corruption sidesmen. They are also sometimes 
called questmen, from the nature of their office, in making 
inquiry concerning offences," 

By Canon 90, if the minister and j)arishioners 

cannot agree in the choice of these sidesmen, or 



[S^-d S. V. Jan. 16, '64. 

questmen, in Easter week, the ordinary of the 

diocese is to appoint 

May (3 

(Burn's Eccles 


) — I have se- 

veral old letters in the autograph of Sir Edward 
May in ray possession, and Carilford might, 
perhaps, communicate with me direct in his own 

J. Eeardon. 


Stillorgan, co. Dublin. 

(3^<» S. V. 11.) 

Tlie name has re- 

vived my boyish remembrance of a story, strangely 
illustrating the social habits and feelings of the 
last century; as I heard it narrated more than 
seventy years ago, by a then elderly aunt of mine, 
a lady as well nurtured and as kindly hearted as 

any of her time. 

The iMr. Chaigncau whom it commemorates 
was an eminent laceman in Dame Street (the 
Regent Street of) Dublin, where his speciality, 
though less expansive, was more expensive than 
are our wives' and daughters' crinolines. One 
day, a titled lady honoured his shop with a visit 
her sedan chair ; during her explorations, 
the sliopman observed her '^conveying" 
of lace into her muff. On her departure, he 
informed his master of this leze-houtique^ who 
posted after her ladyship, and, with the requisite 
bows and begging pardons, suggested her having 
unconsciously, of course — taken, &c. &c. Of 
course, also, Madam was indignant. That a person- 
age of her fortune and position could condescend 
to the vulgarity of shoplifting ! The laceman per- 
sisted in the "mistake": would she be good 
enouuh to order her sedan back to the shop? 



a card 

\ 4 

would she allow it to be examined ? 
desperate, he insisted on the search ; whereupon, 
drawing the card of lace out of her muff, she 
exclaimed (well do I remember my aunt's words 
and tone), "There, fellow; there is your lace; 
and it shall be the dearest lace to you that ever 
came out of your shop.'' The promise was duly 
kept : the esprit de corps Avas too strong for the 
tradesman : from one of the richest of his calling 
he gradually became one of the poorest; dwindled 
down into bankruptcy, and obtained his discharge 
by cutting his throat. 

Such was my aunt's story; she never mentioned 

entomb it. 

she had 

E. L, S. 


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CONTENTS.— No. 108. 

J'amily — 

NOTES: — The Resurrection Gate, St. Giles'-in-tlie Fields 
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I notice with regret that this gate, with its in- 
teresting old carving, has recently been removed. 
Whether it is the intention of the vestry to re- 
store it remains to be seen. 

The gate-entrances to churchyards were for- 
merly designated by carvings in wood, of which 
only a few remain : one of these was the semi- 
circular basso-relievo of the " Last Judgment," 
within the pediment of the north gate of St. 
Giles^in-tbe-Fields. Another on the same sub- 
ject, but much inferior, is preserved in the east 
gate of St. Stephen, Coleman Street. A figure 
of Time was formerly to be seen over the north 
gate of St. Giles', Cripplegate. It has been taken 

down and set up within the church, over the west 


The " Resurrection Gate," by which name it 
commonly known, was originally erected in 

1687. In the previous year the vestry made an 
order : — 

« That a substantial gate, out of the wall of the 
churcliyard near the round-house, should be made; and 
11160 a door answerable to it, out of the church, at the 
foot of the stairs, leading up to the north gallery. 


In pursuance of t 
ected and adorned 

with the curious piece of 

wood-carving, representing, with various altera- 

tions and additions, Michael 






In Edward Hatton's Neio Vieio of London^ 1708, 
speaking of the gate and wall, the author says : 

The churchyard is fenced with a good brick wall; 
and under a large compass pediment over the gate, near 
the west end, is a prodigious number of carved liguref^, 
being an emblem of the Resurrection, done in rdievo, 
very curiously, and erected in the year 1687." 

The erection of the gate, and the ct ceteras 
connected with it, cost the parish 185/. and up- 
wards ; out of which, 27/. was paid for the carving 
work. The several otiier items of charge, accord- 
\n^ to Parton, were as follows : 

" The New Gate. 
Mr. Ilopgood's bill 
Wheatley's bill 
Woodman, the mason 
Bailey, bricklaver - 

— Townsend, painter - 

— Sands, plumber 

Gravel for walk - .. - 
Spreading ditto, and rubbish - 
Love, the carver's, bill - 


- 2 5 

- 19 6 

- 27 












Total - 

185 14 6 




was of red and brown brick, and 

in the same 

stood near the centre of the churchyard wall. It 
was taken down in 1800; and the Tuscan gate, 
recently removed, erected in its place — the carv- 
ing being placed in the new gate 
situation it occupied in the old one. 

The author of the second edition of llalph's 
Critical Revieic of the Public Buildings^ Statues^ 
and Ornaments^ in and about London and West- 
minster^ 1783, speaking of St. Giles' Church, 
says : — 

** The bas-relief of the Resurrection, which is over the 
north gate of the churchyard, is a remarkably bold and 
characteristic piece of carving, and is in good preserva- 
tion. This last circumstance is, perhaps, owing to the 
narrowness and hurry of the street, -which prevents its 
being taken notice of. But the subject is unhappy even 
for a painter, and much more for a sculptor, as it is im- 
possible for the most creative fancy to imagine the small 
number in this piece can represent the * multitude of all 
nations gathered from all the corners of the earth.' The 
faces seem to want variety." 

Malcolm also commends the carving. Speaking 
of the church, in his Londinum Redivivum 
491), he says : 

" A very neat Tuscan gate has recently been erected ; 
and the arch is filled by the celebrated representation of 
the Resurrection — a performance of infinite labour and 
much merit, carved about 1687." 

J. T. Smith, however, was of a different opinion 
to that just expressed. Speaking of the old gate- 
way, in his Book for a Bainy Day (1845, p. 20), 

he adds : — 

" Over this gate, under its pediment, was a carved 
composition of the < Last Judgment,' not borrowed from 




Michael Aagelo, but from the workings of the brain of 
some ship -carver.'* 

Who shall decide upon the merits of a work, 
when sages differ ? Some years ago, examining 
the carving with a powerful glass, 1 was much 
pleased with its execution. It appeared to me to 
be a work above the ordinary degree of merit. 
I may add that I discovered, cut upon a small 
square in the middle of the lower group of figures, 
the following inscription : 

A. P. 8 

OO '» 


does this mean ? The entry in the old accounts 
informs us that the sculptor's name was Love. 



At a time when so much is said and thought of 
the decay of stone in our public buildings, the 
following passage from a letter to King Henry V. 
from an officer having the charge of public works 
at Calais, may not be read without interest, as 
showing the precautions taken in earlier times to 
preserve them. It is to be found in a late publi- 
cation of the Camden Society, entitled Letters of 
Queen dlnriraret of Avjou^ Bishop Be eking ton, and 
others^ p. 20 : 

"SoL'VEKAiNE I.ounK, t^c, as touchiiig the stone of 
this cuntre, that shukl be for the jainbes of your doores 
and M^iudowes of your saici chapcll, 1 dare not take upon 
Die to sett any more therof upon your workes, hit freteth 
and freeth so foule with himself\ that, had I not ordained 
lynnesede oyle to bed [bathe?] hit with, hit "vvoldc not 
have endured, or plesed your llighnesse. Whcrforc I 
have paveyed xiij tons tight [weight.^] of Cane stone, for 
to spede youre workes withal." 

From this it will be seen that, at that early 
period, linseed oil was applied to stone to preserve 
it, and whatever those who consider onlv the 

^fit of 

may say, it did and still does 
answer the purpose ; but not unless properly ap- 
plied. For stone should be duly kept and sea- 
soned before being used in a building, especially 
if intended for carving, just as much as timber ; 
for the stone which is positively the hardest to 
cutis by no meaiis, as an invariable rule, the most 
durable; but the best is that which, after being 
cut, hardens, and forms itself an exterior coat ; 
and this i.s the case with the Caen stone, which is 
soft Avhcn first taken out of the quarry. But if 
expected to form itself a coat, it must not be cut, 
and then exposed at once to the inclemency of 
the weather, but should be placed for a time in 
the dry, under a shed, constantly exposed to the 
air, but not to rain or tempests. When this has 
been properly done, and the stone is thoroughly 
dry, linseed oil may be applied, and will preserve 
it; not making streaks, as might be apprehended, 
unless very carelessly laid on, but producing a 
pleasing and subdued gray tint. There is vahie, 
I conceive, in the suggestion often matle of placing 

the stone as it lay in its natural bed ; but to cut 
it out of the quarry, and use it green (so 




what is it but a knavish practice of the builder to 
provide for a second job? For, in this state, the 
sun affects, and the winds and frosts crack and 
shiver it ; and if oil be applied, this makes the 

confining that 



matter still worse by ^ 
which ought to be permitted to ooze out, and thus^ 
hastening instead of preventing the decay of the 
stone, which, as a general rule, should have been 
quarried for some time, and have become perfectly 
dry before being used in the construction of 

It is no uncommon thing among small 
find the clusters of pillars in the in- 
terior composed simply of hard chalk, which 
answers the purpose very well. But let us sup- 
pose these to have been put together while the 
chalk was yet damp, and what would have been 
the consequence ? That the first frost would have 
shivered and broken them ; but the chalk being 
quite dry when put together, frost does not at all 
affect it. And something analogous to this may 
be observed in the use of much of our stone. 

I have before me an instance of linseed oil ap- 
plied more than twenty years since to ornamen- 
tal carving in stone out of doors, and deeply cut, 

which it has preserved. 




I have devoted some spare hours to many pages 
of ^'N. & Q.,'' where, especially of late, have ap- 
peared lists of Christian names and surnames, 
curious and otherwise, together with their sup- 
posed derivations. It was my good fortune, when 
in Asia Minor, &c.j to be intimate with many 
scores of Greek and Turkish better class peasants, 
and acquainted with perhaps as many of the other 
sex of both nations \ indeed, to use their own 
phrase, ''Was I not their good brother?" It 
struck me, a few days ago, that as I had collected 
the names of most of these old friends of mine, 


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their derivations, a list of them might, if printed, 
amuse your readers. It would at all events per- 
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to a few unstereotyped names for their heroes 
and heroines ; for really we have had only about 
a dozen proper names in these Eastern novels for 
this last half century. If agreeable, I ^ may, 'at 
some other time, give the historiographs of Arme- 
nian names — a thing totally uncared for, it seems j 
meanwhile, I append a few hona-fide modern^ 
Greek and Turkish names, common to all ages, 
and with the orthography best allied to their true 

1 r 





The following are a few clasaical nam®&'j ttese^, 


3r^ S. V. Jak. 23, ^64.] 



however, are very scarce : Female — Calliope, Cle- 
opatra, Irene, Penelope, Sophi, Hebi. Male 
Dimitri, Bacchyevani, Adoni, Xerxo. 

Of modern names palpably allied to ancient 
ones, take for instance: Female — Angelica, Pipina, 
Xristalania, Harcondoo. Male — Marco, Apostoli, 
Manoli, Theofani, Stepliani, Michali, Petrali, 

Yeoree, Yanako. 

As examples of female names made from male 

names, witness the following. The male roots are 
in italics: Female — Panayotectsa^ Athanasoola, 
Xi^istofoolethaj Zacharoolay Stamateets^y Costin- 
dina, Fanivoola, Photeetsay Sevastilama. 

To continue with female names, and as illus- 
trating how, by means of affixes to some female 
names, other Christian female names are formed, 

I have noticed : Female 

Zoe hecomivg 


teetsa; Helene, Helenika; Sevastee, Sevastalania; 
Katina, Kateriteena, and Vaslli, Vasilikee. 

the various nouns by this 

Sometimes again, 
German system of addition become female names, 
thus : i^-p/waZ^— Paraskevoola, or born on Friday ; 
Kiriakeetsa, or born on Sunday ; Staphelia, or so 
named from the grape (the red variety of which 
they will, by-the-bye, not eat on St. John the 
Baptist's day) ; Triandafooletha, from the numeral 
30, and so on in endless variety. 

Nor are comical names scarce ; and these, as 
in our own country, seem to have lost their evil 
power, and are used in common with the less 
suggestive ones ; for instance : Female — Castania, 
the chestnut-haired ; Astrienne, the starfaced ; 
Troumethela, the onion-headed ; and, as illus- 
trating good qualities, Kalee, the good one ; and 
Gramatiche, the writer. 

As examples, however, of real nicknames^ the 
mention of which sets the cafe in a roar, but 
which are nevertheless transmitted to posterity, 
take these few : Male — Garfelia Faga, or Gar- 
pelia the glutton ; Alexi Hesti, or Alexi, the 
open bowelled ; Evendria Glegori, or the sharp 
Evendria- It is noticeable also, that if the poor 
wight resides in some of the littoral villages 
where Turks and Armenians "most do congre- 
gate," the nickname^ to be more effective, will 
take a Macaronic construction ; as for instance, 
Lefteri Sakalee, or Lefteri with no beard ; or 
again, Anesti Kirkiyelani, or Anesti the forty 
liars. Neither friend nor foe escapes this ten- 
dency to give every one a name that will de- 
monstrate your person to them in a moment. 
And I may as well add that for two years I cer- 
tainly had no other name amongst the Greeks 
than Cochineas Diavolos. and no other amonirst 

the Turkomans than Yapigi BasM. 
\ When a stranger comes to reside in a village 
or town large enough to render surnames neces- 
sary, he is called after the village or island from 
which he emigrated, thus : Tlfa/e— Kireeako Dar- 

Panayote Tenedeo ; Vargheli Gallipolliti, and so 
on ; and if he has been a traveller abroad, in some 
cases, when he returns, the family name altogether 

. , Nik 

(or says he has), becomes Nik 

Stcliano Gh* 


Steliano Spania. 

Other surnames are derived from the occupa- 
tions of the persons who bear them, and remain 
similarly permanent in the family. Thus we have, 
Male — Ancholi Seece, or Ancholi the Groom; 


Fotaki Arabajee, or Fotaki the cart driver; Ali 
Meelona, or Ali the Miller ; Adam Caffajee, or 
Adam the Coffee-keeper; Seraphim Asvesti, or 
Seraphim the Lime-burner ; and Steli Pappuchee, 
or Steli the Shoemaker, 

The above are a few of the rules which these 
modern Greek proper names, &c. :^eem to follow. 
Of course there are scores of other names, which, 
like irregular verbs , are, so to say, words '' 
their own right," such as the male names Spero, 
Pani, Xafi, &c. The first named / hope never to 
meet again. Of female names of this order, take 
Rcyinee, a matron from Giourkioi ; and Marootha, 
the beauty of El-Ghelmez. 

It must be understood that the foreii;oinij names 
were all noted down in Asia Minor. In Greece 
Proper, other rules have sway with still more 
grotesque results. On a future occasion, I may 
send the more striking: combinations found in the 
larger towns, in comparison with which even the 
name of Chronontonthologos would suffer. 

To conclude, here are the more common Turkish 
names from the villages in the Interior. These 
rarely alter even in towns, and above all, have no 
jokes performed upon them ; rarely either do they 
take surnames : Male — Of old favourites, say 



Sulieman, Ishmael, Hussein, Achmet, and Osman. 
Female — Of old favourite female names, take 
Fatimeh, Ayesha, Sultanna, Musleumeh, Esmch^ 
and Gulezer ; and amongst those not so common 
to U3, I quote from out of my married friends. 



galoo, Mavehlee ; and from my single (at 
then sin] 


take Sheriffeh, Aleef, Ismehan, 

and Sevier — the last-named being the infinitive 
mood of the Osmanli verb to love^ and a very 
pretty verb too. W. Eassie. 

High Orchard House, Gloucester. 


« The Church Porch. 

•' Constancy knits the bones, and makes us stowreJ^ 

Some copies read lower. 

" The Thanksgiving. 

Shall I weep blood? Why, thou hast wept such store 

\ — " ."" ""''^Z ^Lcu, .UU3 . .«u.c;— ^uijeuK.u j^ui - « gj^^n j ^ i^i^od ? Why, thou 1 

uanclli ; Andoni Nichoretta ; Sali My tdene ; That all thy body was one door. 




[S'f'iS. V. Jan. 23, '64. 

Some copies read gore. See this word in '' The 


" Repentance. 

« Man's age is two hours' work, or three." 

What does this mean? The expression, "An- 
gel's age," is used in the poem entitled '' Prayer." 

" Jordan. 

" May no lines pass, except they do their duty 

Not to a true, hMt painted chair ? " 

What chair is here alluded to ? 

" Riddle who list, for me, and pull for prime J' 

What is meant by pulling for prime ? It can 



ringing for matms. 

mean, i presume, 
Does' it refer to the old game *' Primero ^' ? * 

« Sin. 

*' So devils arc our sins in perspective." 

Query, Does this mean that our sins in per- 
spective appear to have *' some good" in them ? 

" The Quiddity. 

"^ But it [a verse] is that which while I use 
I am with thee, and most take alV^ 

Some copies read, "must take all." Does not 
"take" here mean captivate? It seems to be so 
used in the poem entitled " Gratefulness." 

" Christmas. 

" We sing one common Lord ; wherefore he should 

Himself the candle hold." 

Should there not be a comma after " should " 
candle " ; " hold " meaning, as I think, 



" stay " ? 

" Virtue. 

'* Only a sweet and virtuous soul, 
Like season'd timber, never gives ; 
But when the whole world turns to coal, 
Then chiefly lives." 

Some copies read : " But tho' the whole world 

^Neither ^ 

turn to coal." 
very clear. 

All the editions of J'he Temple I have met -with 
differ materially in many parts, and I much doubt 
whether there is one that is free from many 
errors. J. D. 


" Dear Sir, 

" Edinburgh, Jan. 28th, 1820. 

■I have very little time for correspondence 
specially at this season, or I should have great plea- 
sure in cultivating yours. My answer to your former 
letter to me makes it less necessary to write at large in 
this. The novelty of a Quaker poem will rather attract 
notice and curiosity, I should imagine, than repel it. 



Bell & Daldy), is the following note to this line: *' Pull 

or prime." A French phrase, meaning, 'to pull, or draw, 
for the first place,' especially in sports involvinff a trial 
^^ Vide «N. & Q.,"2'^d S. iv. 496.-Ed.] 

of strength." 

But if I can conscientiously promote your notoriety 
without hurting your feelings I certainly shall do so. 

"I confess to the review of Clarkson, and also, lay 
claim to the paper on Prison Discipline. There is some 
necessary levity in the former — the latter was written 
from the heart. As to the phrase about honesty to which 
you object, it was not set down in mere unmeaning wan- 
tonness, but was intended as the mild and mitigated Ex- 
pression of an opinion founded perhaps upon too narrow 
an observation, but very seriously and conscientiously en- 
tertained, that the lower classes and ordinary dealers of 
your society, were rather more cunning and grasping, and 
illiberal in their transactions than the associates of other 
sects. I had recently had occasion, in the course of my 
profession, to see several instances of this, and was rather 
shocked and disgusted at finding instances of harshness 
and duplicity that amounted almost to criminal fraud, 
coolly [raised? illeg.'\ and defended by persons of this 
persuasion. It is possible that our Northern climate may 
corrupt them, and very likely that the instances may be 
rare and casual — yet Quaker traders, I learn, are gene- 
rally reckoned among traders to be sly and stingy, and 
ready to take advantage, and I cannot believe the repu- 
tation to be wholly without foundation. I have said 
that the body is generally illiterate, and I think you 
agree with me. That it has contained many eminent 
men since the days of Penn and Barclay no candid per- 
son will dispute I have myself the happiness of knowing 
several. I am well acquainted with Mr. Walker of Lon- 
don, and flatter myself I may call W. Allen my friend. 
To the philanthropy and calm and wise perseverance of 
the body in all charitable undertakings, I shall always be 
ready to do justice. But I trust I need make no profes- 
sions on this subject, nor does it seem necessary to dis- 
cuss further the points of difference between us. I sup- 
pose you don't expect to make a convert of me, and I 
certainly have not the least desire to shake you in your 
present convictions. There are plenty of topics, I hope, 
on which we may agree, and we need not seek after the 
exceptions, I sliall be happy if my opinion of your poem 
can be ranged in the first class. Being always, with great 
esteem, your faithful ser* 

" F. Jeffrey. 

"P.S. Do not let your Quaker Whigs be discouraged 
by abuse or ridicule. Being Whigs they must have 
borne abuse whether they were Quakers or not. That 
circumstance only suggested the [word illeg.'] topics 

abuse is one of the ways and means of electioneering, and 
cannot be dispensed with. Never mind it." ■ 

The above letter has not, I think, been printed. 
It is well worthy recording for many reasons/ 
I received the original through Mr. Dawson Tur- 
ner's sale. The penmanship is as hard to deci- 
pher as any MS. in modern English well can bei 

J. D. Campbell. 




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' t 



I should like you to publish the following as a 
Note, worthy of remembrance of all literary per- 
sons. A man, dressed in a suit of bl^ck, with a | 
white neckcloth, called recently at my private 
residence ; and, as I was at my office, he expressed 
a wish to see my wife. On entering her room, Ife 
stated that he had been requested by th^ rector 
of the parish to call upon me, and wished to see 
me personally. My wife told him I returned 

' I 


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3rd s, T. Jan. 23, '64. J 



Lome to dinner at six, and could be seen soon 
after that hour j but he stated that the night air 
was injurious to his health, and asked for my 
office address, which she gave him. When I 
returned home, she mentioned the circumstance ; 
and we both concluded that it was the rector's 
new curate, who wanted my subscription to some 
local charity. I was, therefore, fully prepared 
for the " curate,'' when he presented himself a 
fe\7 days after at my office. However, to my 
surprise, he stated that his object in calling was 



Life and Writ 

the rector was about to edit. He produced a 
letter from the clergyman, whose handwriting I 
recognised; and, as I was very busy, I did not 
read it, but at once told the man I would sub- 
scribe for one copy. He tried to get me to take 
two ; but I told him one would suffice. He then 
produced an order book, and requested me to 
write the usual order ; and asked me how I would 
have the work, in numbers or volumes ? So I 
desired him to supply it in volumes, as the work 
appeared. He produced what seemed to be a 
*' number," and opened it at the middle, where a 
handsomely engraved frontispiece showed the 
character of the work. This volume was in 
violet calf, and in a handsome binding. A few 
days after, while I was in Ireland, my wife in- 
formed me ih^i four volumes of Bunyan's Works^ 
bound in cloth^ had been sent, with a demand for 
2/. \Qs. — and, luckily, she had not paid the money. 
On my return home, I found it was an old work 
undated of Stebbing's, which I subsequently as- 
certained had been published in 1859. Soon 
afterwards, the publisher sent me an impudent 
reply to my letter of remonstrance, that the work 
was not the same I had ordered, not having been 
edited by our rector ; and the result was, a 
County Court summons. I was, however, not 
daunted by this, and told my story to the judge ; 




by-the-bye, appeared in his every-day dress, and 
had dropped the white "choker''), decided that 
the man had no claim on me, the order having 
been obtained under false pretences. I trust, 
if my Clapham and Brixton neighbours have 
been similarly imposed on, they will adopt a like 
course with the ** Canonbury " publish 

Devonshire Road, South Lambeth. 

N. H.R 


I had no idea until I met with the 

following items in the churchwardens' accounts at 
St. Mary's Church, Beverley, thalj the owl was a pro- 
scribed bird, but had supposed that he was pro- 
tected. Such, however, seems not to have been 
the case at Beverley. I transcribe |he text and 

context for the years 1642 and 1646 : 

xi* viij^ 

1G42, 26^1^ April. To the ringers, when the king 

came in and went out - - - 

„ C^^* July. Paid the ringers when the king , 

came in - . -, • - iij* viij^ 

„ IG^^^ July. For ringing when the king 

came from Newwark - - - iiijs viij^i 

Paid to Jas. Johnson for killing three 
owhs in the Woodhall closes, that 

he did steadfastly affirme them to 

belong to this church - - - 

1646, Paid John Pearson for killing an urchant 

Paid John Pearson for catching three urchants 

Paid Duke Redman for killing of eight jack 

dawes ------- 

Paid to the sexton for killing an oidcy and car- 
rying the ammunition in the chamber 


* • 






3 iM 




In the 

year 1809, Mr. E. B. Sugden first published liis 

Letters to a 


1863, the 7th edition of the same work, under its 
new title of A Handy Booh on Property Law^ was 
issued by its author (now Lord St. Leonards), 
still in the vigour of his faculties. 

In the year 1815, Dr. Charles Kichardson pub- 
lished bis Illustrations of English Philology ; and 
in 1854, published his valuable summary of the 

Diversions of Puri 
of Language. 

Origin of Na 

T. IL 

The followins extract 
from the letter of an emiorant to KafTerland, is a 
modern specimen of giving surnames to parties 
descinptlve of some quality or peculiarity in the 
party named, and as such may be worth record- 

"Our master, Mr, P 

is called E-gon-a-shalaw, 

which means hroad-shouldered ; Mr. D 


hecause he rose early when he first came out ; Mr. T . 

Umolotagas, that is, thin-faced; Mr. F , Maka-wha, 

because his eve-brows meet : Mr. S 

ej'c-brows meet ; 
weakly-looking; Mr. N 


— , lnS"W-bo, 
Mafumbo, stooping; Mr. 

•, Is- stop, large nose; Mr. G 

El-tabala, very 


W , Mack-ka-coba, because ho stoops in 


H. T. E. 

I ac- 

cidentally met with the above work a few days 
since, and am induced, in the cause of heraldry 
and genealogy, to suggest that in such compila- 
tions it would be better that a distinction should 
be made between claims and descents^ founded on 
documentary evidence or the undisturbed posses- 
sion of real estate, and those put forth on the mere 
conjecture of the parties immediately interested. 
I say this because many are misled by a claims 
and take it for granted that there is evidence for 
the same ; but in the work referred to several 
such claims have been inserted without any inves- 
tigation, and, consequently, Pepper's Ghost is so 
like a reality, that serious errors arise, whei;i such 
a record is considered as a book of reference. B. 



[S^d S. V. Jan. 23, '64. 



Conon Richardson, Abbot of Parshore Abbey, 
married, after the dissolution, a Miss Pates of Bre- 
don, CO. Vigorn ; and had issue two sons, Conon 
and Thomas. Conon had issue an only son, Sir 
William Richardson, Knt., who died s.p. Thomas, 
by his first wife Elizabeth, had a son Conon, of 
Tewkesbury ; and by his second wife Anne, daugh- 
ter of Leonard Mazey, of Shechenhurst, Worces- 


In The Builder of this day (Jan.9tb, 1864),Ifind 
the following «' curious," or rather marvellous "dis- 
covery at Gloucester,'' in Avhich "a fine portrait 
-^ T>,„„ 1? -^ concerned, and which, if true, is cer- 

of Pope 

N. &Q 


" It may not be generally known, or it may possibly 
be forgotten, that in the olden time county families often 
came into their principal city or town for some of the 
winter months, where they had their regular town houses ; 

* u- \. \. 1 i* \\ r.^ :.c,,^ . ooTr^r, ann^ nnfl ^Iv and those who had not, bestowed themselves in lodgings. 

tershire, he had further issue : seven sons, ana six ^....nnii^ rvn« thpn .. mnrh mnrP. ^%\nu^ 

daughters. The sons were Ilcnry, of London, 
haberdasher, buried a.d. 1G34; who, by his wife 
Anne, daughter of Anthony Nicholls of Morton- 
Hinmars, Gloucestershire, had issue a son Kenelni. 
The other sons of Thomas were Edmund, Leonard, 
Kafe, John, William, and Cliristopher. The arms 
borne by this family were : "Argent, on a chief, 
sable; 3 leopards' heads erased of the Ist," 

I find, in the Harl. MSS., the very same arms 
given to another family of Richardson : 

Richardson of Roskell, or Rostill, co. York, mar- 
ried Isabel Hart of Botrlngton, and had issue two 
sons and three daughters. William, the elder son, 
Avas of Southwark ; and by his wife Jane, daugh- 
ter of Robt. Harrison of Milton Green, Cheshire, 
had issue Thomas (^/. 17, anno 1623), John, AVil- 
liam, Francis, and Mary. George, the second 
son, had issue by his wife — who was a sister to 
Sir John King, Knt.— a son Richard. 

Sir Thomas Richardson, Serjeant-at-Law (anno 
1G20), bore the same arms as given at p. 240 of 
Dugdale's Origines Juridicales, And I find that 
Capt. Edward Richardson, of Colonel James Cas- 
tles' Regiment, who was '^ second son of William 
Richardson, Esq., descended of the ancient family 
of tlie Richardsons of Pershore, in the county of 
Worcester," was registered May 22, 1647, by 
*^ AVm. Roberts," Ulster Kinof, as bearing the same 
arms, with a crescent for di (Terence. His descen- 
dants continue to use these arms. 

WIHiam, the father of this Edward, may have 
been a son of Conon of Tewkesbury. I am 
anxious to know his exact descent. I shall feel 
greatly^ obliged to any of your correspondents 
who will kindly furnish me with any additional 
information respecting this family; so as to con- 
nect the several branches which are named above, 
I shall be glad to know anything respecting the 
parentage and descendants (if any) of Sir Thomas, 
and whether he was the same person as the Chief 
Justice [of the Common Pleas, 1626, and] of the 
King's Bench, 1631 ? whose arms, however, Dug- 
dale gives, at p. 238, as " Or (instead of argent) 
on a ch.,'* &c., quarterly with *' ermine on a can- 
ton, azure, a saltire gules/' 

Nash's Worceslershire contains a slight refer- 
ence to Conon and his issue. 


A visit to the metropolis was then a much more serious 
business than it is now-a-days. Folks were then content 
with the amusements the city afforded them : the the- 
atres, the Kssemblies, parties, &c., were a sufficient attrac- 
tion; consequent!}^ many fine old mansions will be found 
in our principal towns, now devoted to very different 
purposes from what they were originally built for. One 
of these abodes, the town house of the Guises, a mansion 
of about Queen Anne's period, has of late been occupied 
as a school of art ; and in making some alterations for 
this purpose, the architect observed an unusual, and, as 
it seemed to him, a needless projection of panelling in a 
small sitting-room, always called * Pope's room.* He 
made up his mind to remove this projection, and in doing 
so brought to light a fine portrait of Pope. This led him 
to suspect that the opposite side might also contain some 
treasure, and on taking it down a painting was revealed, 
since said to be the ' Temptation,' by Guido. A man in a 
rich dress of the time of Fran9ois Premier is holding up 
a string of pearls to a woman, who appears to be resisting 
his entreaties and tempting offer. ]t is described to us 
as a remarkably fine painting. 

" Pope was a frequent visitor in Gloucestershire and 
the neighbouring county of Hereford. His well-known 
lines to the ' Man of Ross ' were written during his sojourn 
in the neighbourhood. In Gloucestershire he was a guest 
of the family of the Guises, who had a seat, Highnam 
Court, not far from the city ; another, called Kendcombe, 
in the same county ; and the house in Gloucester alluded 
to. He was also a not infrequent visitor at the Bathursts, 
Lydney Park, near Cirencester. 

" Why these pictures were * walled up ' one cannot 
form any reasonable conjecture: there were no public 
troubles in Gloucester at that time. Are we justified in 
attributing their concealment to some anticipated family 
dispute respecting them, Avhicli might have been avoided, 
perhaps, by thus shutting them out from the world? 
Fortunately they were in a dry place, on each side of a 
fire-place, and have received no injury from their long 

" The pictures are now in the possession of Mr. Baylis, 
Thames Bank, Fulliam." 

Mr. Baylis's very remarkable collection of anti- 
equities and articles of virtu, particularly pictures, 
is now of long repute ; but is it still at Thames 
Bank, Fulham? I was under the impression that 
it had for many years left that locality. 

And are these pictures from Gloucester now 
in his gallery, or have they ever been ? Even if 
they are so, collectors are liable to be imposed 
upon by the dealers, and such a tale as the above 
is surely a most suspicious one. Is it even new, 
or cut from an old newspaper ? Perhaps some cor- 

L L 



3rd S. V. J AS. 23, '64.] 




- Baro Ubbigerus, Alchemical Writer. 


ask for information respecting the under- described 
work and its author. I am unable to find j^ny- 
thini]j about either in ordinary books of reference 

at hand. 

It is a thin 12mo of 86 pages, consisting of two 

treatises continuously paged. The first title-page 
is wanting, but the title at the beginning of the 
101 Aphorisms of which the first treatise is coin- 
posed runs thus : 

"AriiOKisMi UkbigeuAni; Or, Certain Rules, clearly 
demoustratiny the Three Infallible Ways of preparing the 

Grand P^lixiu (fthe PHiLosoniEKs." 

The title-page of the second treatise is as fol- 
lows : 

** Circulatuvi minus Urhigeranum^ Ok, The Piulo- 

SOPHICAL Elixir of Vi^getables; With The Three 
certain Ways of Preparing it, fully and clearly set forth 
in One and Thirt)' Aphorisms. By Bako Ukbigekcs, 
A Servant of God in the Kingdom of Nature. Experto 
Crede^ London*, Printed for Henri/ Faithorne, at the 
Kose in St. Paul's Church-yard, 1690." * 

John Addis. 

Samuel Burton. — Wanted, any information 
respecting Samuel Burton, Esq., whose decease at 
Sevenoaks, in Oct. 1750, is mentioned in the 

obituary of the GentlemaiUs Magazine. 

He had 

served the office of High Sheriff for the county of 
Derby, and had attained the age of sixty-eight 

"The Cork :Magazine'' 1847-8. 

E. H. A. 



author of an article in this Magazine on George 

Sandys *' Seven Chords of the Lyre,'' No. L pp. 35- 





Ricb. Dowdeswell, 

astatis suae 46, anno 1726," is written on the back 
of a portrait iu my possession. Can any of your 
correspondents inform mo who this Richard 
Dowdeswell was ? I think he or his son married 
a Miss Leverton. 

J. D. 



cestors, Nathaniel Eaton, of Manchester, in 1674, 
married Christian Vawdry, of " The Riddings," 
and Bank Hill, Timperly, Cheshire. He 


was a son 

Society of Friends, but I suspect 



according to Calamy, were ejected from thei 




conjecture is strenfrthcncd by the fact that the 
mother of Christian Vawdry (Margaret, daughter 
of Oswald Moseley, of Garratt, near Manchester), 
after the death of her first husband, Robert Vaw- 
dry, father of Christian Vawdry, married the well- 


[* There ought to be a beautifully engraved froutis- 
piece, -which is explained at the end of the volume. A 
German translation of it was printed at Uaniburgh in 

1705. The name Urbigcrus looks like a pseudonym. 

known John Angier, minister of Denton, Lanca- 
shire, who had as intimate friends or coadjutors, 

several . Nonconformist ministers of the name of 

I shall feel obliged by any hiformation or sur- 
mise as to the parents or relations of the above 
Nathaniel Eaton^ at the same time remarkin^j that 
his niarriajie in 1G74 is inconsistent with his beinjx 
the Nathaniel Eaton^ born in 1G09, who, according 
to Calamy, was the first master of the College at 
New Cambridge in New England, and who after- 
wards died in the Kino-'s Bench. 

M. D. 

Fingers or Hindoo Gods. — What is the mean- 
ing of the position of the fingers below described, 
which I have observed in effigies of c^ods and 
kmgs on Hindoo pagodas, as well as in scidptures 
of saints and abbots on Christian cathedrals ? 

The upper part of the right arm is pressed close 
to the right side, the lower part of the arm 
doubled up against the upper part, so that the 
hand is brought up to the shoulder; the palm of 
the hand is turned to the front, the fore and 
middle fingers pointing upwards : the thumb and 
other fingers being doubled on to the palm. 



II. C. 

Heraldic. — I shall feel obliged if you can tell 
me, is there any tradition by which the history or 
origin of the following arms can be found ? 

cheveron inverted or and sable, a lion 
rampant. Countercharged crest, a demi-moor 
holding in dexter hand an arrow, and in sinister 
a shield or. Motto: Mors potius macula.'' 

J. B. 


*' Hekaclitus Ridens/' a weekly fly-sheet, 
issued in 1681-2, and republished in 1713, runs 
over with abuse of Whigs and Dissenters. It is 
in the form of dialogues between Jest and Earnest. 
The wit is coarse and strong, and the book is 
altogether a racy specimen of people s English in 
those happy days. There are some useful his- 
torical and literary allusions in it. It lived to be 
eighty-two numbers old. In his postscript, at 
the end, the author alludes to his successful pre- 
servation of the nominis umbra ; wherein he says, 
" he has had such a felicity (notwithstanding all 
the conjectures that have been made of him), as 
that he is not more publicly known than the 
author of the Whole Duty of Man '^ 

Was Heraclilus llidens ever revealed ? 

B. H, C. 

The Holy House of Loretto, — Not long 

since, I read a letter in the Daily Telegraph that 
the Santa Casa has been removed to Milan. Is 
this a fact? And if so, what are the circum- 
stances? A Lorctto guide-book says, that angels 
carried this house, in 1291, from Nazareth to 
Tcrsatto in Illyria; and, in 1294, from Illyria to 


B. H. C. 



[Srd S. V. Jan. 23, '64. 


Rev. Edward James, A.M., Vicar of Aber- 
gavenny FROM 1709 TO 1719. 

Can and will 
any reader of " K & Q." oblige by giving some 
reference where to find any further particulars of 
him, and did he leave any descendants, and their 




" Massacre of the Innocents." 

' Some of tlie pictures " (at Bruges) " arc overcrowaed, 
and absnrdlv minute. In the hospital is a ' Massacre of 

the Innocents,' bv Hamlin, in which all out-of-the-way j\ly chin's black honours, and my shaggy brows! 

tides, by Cincmnatus Rigshaw, Professor of Theo- 
pbilanthrophy, &c., 4to, 1800 — there is a curious 
passage illustrative of the different styles of ora- 
tory °of Pitt and Fox. It is an imitation of 
Virgil's eighth Eclogue, and runs as follows : 

" Inconstant man ! from me thy fancy roves, 
And Pitt's big voice, and sounding periods loves; 
Thou lov'st no more, when I impassion'd speak, 
My shrill-ton'd treble's energetic squeak : 
Thy taste no more Judaic charms allows, 

methods of killing are exhibited. Beneath is a descrip- 
tion in uncouth Latin and Dutch, which I am sorry I 
liad not time to copv. One child's throat is said to be 
too small for the dagi^er, and the eyes of another are at 
tlie back of its cleft skull —illustrating ^ oculos per vul- 
nus vomit.'" — Jo7/r7?fy through Holland and the Nether- 
lands in 1777, by II. \\\ard, p. 56. 

I do not think that there is any such picture 
now in the hospital. Any account of this, or^a 
copy of the verses, will bo acceptable. Is Ilamlin 
a slip of the pen for Memling ? T. P. E. 




or direct me to, information regarding this fanatic, 
who published many indescribable books and broad- 
sides in EdinburMi and Glaso:ow at the beginning 

o o o o 

of last century, of which I possess a few ? 

" Tlie reason I call myself the Tinclarian Doc- 
tor, ' says he, '^ is because I am a Tinklar and 
cures old Pans and old Lantruns," which humble 
occupation he seems to have neglected and set 

Iiiiiiself up for a Light 

to the Ministers and a 

director of crowned heads. 

Speaking of Popish practices abroad, he ob- 
serves, '^ I have written so much about them in 
my French Travels, that I need not write of them 
here." Is this book of the Tinker's known? '^' 

J. O. 

P.S. The Doctor seems to have been at one 
time literally the Lamplighter of Auld Keekie. 
When the magistrates dismissed him from that 
post, he assumed the more spiritual office ; and 
his pertinacity in teaching both the clergy and 
laity in his incoherent fashion must have been 
sufficiently annoying to the Kirk. Some time 
ago I purchased his Testament, in which, in the 
usual style of these mad prophets, he applies, and 
inveighs against ** the beast in the Revelations, 
whose number is six hundred, three score, and 
six.'* If the 7?2u/zVer5 had had the lotting of this 
book, they could not have retaliated better than 
the auctioneer, who, as may be seen by the undis- 
turbed ticket, accidentally lotted The Great Tin- 
clarian Doctor, 666 ! 

Oratory of Pitt and Fox : " Sans Culo- 
*' — In a contemporary satire — Sans Culo- 


[* The death of this singular character is thus an- 
»unced in The Scots Magazine for March, 1740 (ii. 143) : 
WiUiam Mitcheh White-ironsmith, Edinburgh, well 



Begin my muse, begin the plaintive strain I 

Hear it St. Ann's, and hear each neighbouring plain." 

'No one who only knows the two great states- 
men by their portraits, could suppose that the 
''big voice and sounding periods" belonged to 
Pitt — and ''shrill ton'd treble's energetic squeak" 
to his great rival. Among the readers of ''N. & Q." 
there arc still some who must have listened to 
them both. Will they kindly give myself and 
your readers the benefit of their reminiscences? 
One confirmation of the statement I have met 
with, though I cannot now recollect my autho- 
rity, namely, that the late Lord Stanhope, in his 
style of speaking, bore a marked resemblance to 
his distinguished relative. May I add a second 
Query : Who was the author of Sans Culotides ? 

obviously, a violent Pittite. 

S. H. Y. 

Petrarcha. — I have three editions of this 
poet, that of Filelfo, folio, 1481, and two others. 
Peading in that most agreeable of bibliographers, 
Dibdin, p. 756, Lib. Comp., he says, " an edition 
by Rovillio, LSmo, 1574, with two suppressed 
leaves. The previous editions of Rovillio are 
1550-1." Now on examining my two copies I 
find '' II Petrarcha ; in Lyone appresso G. Rovillio, 
1564," size 4 in. by 2 in., printed with italic letter. 
The other II Petrarcha, Venice, by the well-known 
Nicolo Bevilacqua, 1564, size of the text 4^ in. by 
2 in. ; and this edition has a preface of four pages 

by G. Rovillio. 


caused to be printed, two distinct editions of the 
poet in the same year. I don't think this has 
been noticed before. Of the earlier edition above 
named I know nothing. I should be glad of any 
information concerning the suppressed leaves men- 

tioned by Dibdin. 

Hill Cottage, Erdington. 

Wm. Davis 

Portrait of Our Saviour. — In the Anti- 
quarian Repertory, vol. iii. (ed. 1808), p. 428, I 
find a letter from Wm. Lottie, Canterbury, dated 
July 15, 1780, with a drawing " of a very old 

1 ■ 


The accompanying drawing in the Repertory is 
a very fine representatior " ^ ' ' * 
an inscription that it was 

" Imprinted by the predesessors of the great Turke, 
and sent to the Pope Innosent the VIII. at the cost of the 
Grete Turke for a token for this cause to redeme his 
Brother that was takyn presonor." v \_ 

B^i S. V. Jan. 23, '64.] 



'Where tbe original of this painting was at the j part of the plant of that newspaper, but the 

earlier numbers are wantinj;. 

Wynne E. Baxter. 


From the newspapers I observe that a cameo 
has lately been discovered, said to have been 
executed by order of Tiberius, and supposed to 
be a representation of our Saviour, 

Could any of your correspondents inform me 
where the painting above referred to is to be 
seen ? What resemblance it bears to the alle^jjed 

cameo, and if the painting is a copy of the cameo ? 


Mrs. Parker the Circumnavigator. — In 1795 

was published at London, in 8vo, A Voyage round 
the World in the ''^Gorgon'" Man of War^ Captain 
John Parker^ performed by his Widoio for the Ad- 
vantage of a numerous Family. (Nichols's Lit. 
Anecdotes^ ix. 158, Gent. Mag. Ixv. 941.) I shall 
be jj^lad to know the Christian name of this lady 
and the date of her death. The work appears, 
from the review of it, to be of a \q,vj interesting 
character. S. Y. R. 

Perkins Family. — Does there exist, in MS. or 
in print, a more detailed and complete history of 
the family of Perkins than the one to be found 
in Burke's Landed Gentry ? A reference to such, 
if in existence, would huojely oblige me.f 

F. Bertrand D'Arfue. 

Quotation. — Are the following lines by Geo. 
Wither, or by any one of his time? Or, are they 
of more modern and less illustrious parentage ? 

" Oh God of glory ! Thou hast treasured up 
For mo my little portion of distress ; 
But "vvith each draught, in every bitter cup 
Thy hand hath raixt, to make its soreness less, 
Some cordial drop ; for which Thy Name I bless, 

And offer up ni}'' mite of thankfulness. 


W. Campbell. 

Sussex Newspapers. — I have in my possession 
the first number of the Hastings Chronicle^ 6^7, 

[July 29, 1829] 

of the B 

2d. [May 13, 1829.] The latter is composed of 
facetious skits on contemporary abuses, but the 
Hastings production is of a more pretentious 
character, devoting three columns to a *' retro- 
spective review of literature/' Did any subse- 
quent numbers appear? Is anything known of 
tlie contributing staff of the Hastings Chronicle ? 

Are any of the earliest numbers of the Sussex 
Advertiser in existence? J An imperfect copy was 
sold a short time ago, and now, I believe, forms 

[♦ The Dedication to the Princess of Wales in the 

above work is signed "Mary Ann Parker, No. 6, Little 
Chelsea."— Ed.] 

■ tt A carefully drawn-up pedigree of the Perkins of 

Orton-on-the Hill, co. Leicester, is printed in Nichols's 

Leicester shire J vol. iv. pt. ii. p. *8o4. — Ed.] 

[J A perfect set of the Sussex Advertiser^ from its com- 

mencement in 1825 to the present time, is in the British 
Museum.— Ed.] 


son allude when he speaks of the right ear filed 
zvilh dust^ in the following stanza from his poum of 
the Two Voices ? 

" Go, vexed spirit, sleep in trust ; 

The 7'ight ear that is tilled "with Just 

Hears little of the false or just," 

M. O. 

J. G. WiLLE. — I have in my possession a large 
folio volume of engravings by the elder Wille, of 
which I can find no mention in any bibliographical 
work. The title is as follows : (Euvres de Jean 

Georges Wille, celehre graoeur Allemand 

Paris, 1814. Then follows a Life of AVille in 
English, French, and German ; and after that, 
forty-one of his most celebrated plates. At the 
end of the volume is a '' Recueil de paysages et 
autres figures .... Paris, 1801 ;'' thirty-six in 
number, by the same engraver. 

I hope some of your readers will be able to In- 
form me how many copies of this work were pub- 
lished ; whether the engravings contained therein 
are late or early impressions ; and what is its 
present market value. J. C. Lindsay. 

New York. 

William Dell, D.D. — Can you inform me 
whether the '' Mr. Dell,'* who was sent by the 
Commissioners as one of the ministers of religion 
to attend King Charles L before his execution, 
was the William Dell, afterwards Master of Gonvil 
and Caius College, Cambridge, and Kector of 
Yeldon, Beds ? 

Is anything known of William Dell beyond the 

few sermons of his still extant? 

S. S. 

[William Dell, D.D. received his education at Emanuel 
College, Cambridge, where he was chosen Fellow, and 
held the living of Yeldon, co. Bedford. About the year 
1645 he became chaplain to the army, constantly attend- 
ing Sir Tliomas Fairfax, and preaching at head -quarters. 
On May 4, 1649, he was made Master of Caius College, 
Cambridge, which he held with his living at Yeldon till 
he was ejected by the Act of Uniformity. Although 
tinctured with the enthusiasm of the times, he was a man 
of some learning, with very peculiar and unsettled princi- 
ples. Wm. Cole has left a very unfavourable account of 
Dr. Dell among his MSS. He says, "On Dell's appoint- 
ment as Chaplain to the General Sir Thomas Fairfax, at 
the surrender of the garrison at Oxford, he, among others 
of his tribe, was sent down there to poison the principles 
of that university ; and on the morning of the martyr- 
dom of King Charles, he, with other bold and insolent 

fanatical ministers, went with all the solemnity becoming 



[8^d s. V. Jan. 28, '64. 

a better cause, and all the confidence and assurance pecu- 
liar to the fanatical tribe, to oflfer their unhallowed ser- 
vices to the blessed martyr, whom they had thus brought 

to the scaffold Dr. Dell was so little curious 

where his carcase was deposited, that he ordered himself 
to be buried in a little spinney, or wood, on his estate 
in the parish of Westoning, co. Beds; and I was told by 
my worthy good friend, Dr. Zachary Grey, that his son 
Ilumplney Dell, riding or walking by the spinney with 
an acquaintance, reflecting too severely as a son upon his 
father's base conduct and actinias in the late Rebellion^ 

rould not help exclaiming— pointing to the place Avhere 
his father was buried— ^ There lies that old rogue and ras- 
cal, my father!'" (Addit. MS. 5834, p. 271.) Dcll'sworks 
were republished in 2 vols. 8vo, in 1817. Vide The Non- 
i.miformisVs Memorial by Calamy and Palmer, ed. 1802, 



''Lingua Tersancta/' by W- F. — Can you 

j^ive me any information concerning the following 
book? Is it a rarity, or of any value ? It con- 
slsts of four parts each having a separate title- 

page : 

"Lingua Ter.sancfa; or, a most Sure and Compleat 
Allegorick Dictionary to the Holy Language of The 
Spirit ; Carefully and Faithfully expounding and illustrat- 
ing all the several Words or Divine Symbols in Dream, 
Vision, and Apparition, (S:c. By W. F., Esq., Author of 
the x^ew Jerusalem. London: Printed for the Author, 
and sold by E. Mallet near Fleet-bridge, 1703." 

The other parts are — " The Fountain of Moni- 
(ion," ^'The Divine Grammar," ^^Tho Pool of 
Bethesda watch'd.'* The first part, the title- 
page of which I have given at length, runs (in- 



[This work appears to be one of the shigular produc- 
tions of William F>eke, Esq. (a younger son of Thomas 
Freke, Esq. of Hannington, Wilts), of Wadham College, 
Oxford, and afterwards a barrister of law. He wrote 
An Essay towards an Union between Divinity and Morality^ 
1G87, 8vo. In this he styles himself Gul. Libera Clavis, 

7. f. Free Key, i. e. Freke. 


Question and Answer, concerning the Deity : to "vvhich is 

.idded, a Clear and Brief Confutation of the Doctrine of 
the Trinity, 1693 ; -which he sent to several members of 
parliament, -who voted them to be burnt in Palace Yard, 
the author being indicted in the King's Bench, 1693, and 
found guilty, the following year was fined 500/., and to 
make a recantation in the four courts in Westminster 



medley of follj-, obsci;nity, and blasphemy. Although his 
understanding was deranged, he Avas permitted to act as 
justice of the peace for many years. He resided at the 
Chapelry of Hinton St. Mary, co. Dorset, where ho died 
in 1746.— Uutchins's Dorsetshire, ill. 153 ; Wood's Athence, 

by Bliss, iv. 740 ; and « N. & Q." 2°'^ S. x. 483.] 


There is a curious, 

and it may be presumed a rare collection of 
Elegies to the memory of this person, who died 

on May 3, 1567. It was printed at Ratisbon in 

AujTust, 1568. 




*' Ista Leonarti Pamingeri effigies est, 

Attamen artificis non bene sculpta manu> 

Sic igitur paulo melius pingemus eundem : 
Corpore vir pra;stans, ingenioque fuit, 

Et bene Christicola de posteritate merendo, 
Extulit harmonicis dogmata sacra modis." 

The woodcut, notwithstanding the statement 
above, has every appearance of being a good 
likeness. Paminger has on him a fur robe, and 
holds in his hand what seems to be a music book. 
He is represented as being seventy-three years of 
age. Where can any account be found of him or 


his works? 

J. M. 

[Leonard Paminger, or Pamiger, an eminent musical 
composer of the sixteenth century, resident at Passau, 
was a learned man and intimate friend of Luther. He 
composed a great variety of church music, edited by his 
son after his decease, and published at different periods, 
1573, 157G, 1580. See Dictioyiary of Musicians, ed. 1824, ii- 

Miss Bailey. — The popular song of " Unfor- 
tunate Miss Bailey *' was admirably translated 
into Latin not later, I think, than 1807 or 1808. 
Can any one oblige me by stating where I can 
find the Latin version in question ? Eurydice is 

dying to see it. 


[As probably many others would be as pleased to see 
IMiss Bailey in her Latin costume as Eurydice, we sub- 
join a copy of it : 

'* SeduxiL miles virginem, recepLus in hybernis, 

Pnecipitem quae laqueo se transtulit Avernis. 
T ni ^.'i.-i. „.j — :„™ potabat, 

Impransus ille rcstitit, sed 

Et, conscius facinoris, per vina clamitabat 

* Miseram Baliam, infortunatam Baliam, 
Proditam, traditam, miserrimamque Baliam.' 

" Ardente demum sanguine, dum repsit ad cubile, 
' Ah, belle proditorcule, patrasti factum vile ! ' 
Nocturnal candent lampades — Quid multa.^ imago dira 
Ante ora stabat militis, dixitque, fumans ira, 

* Aspice Baliam, infortunatam Baliam, 
Proditam, traditam, miserrimamque Baliam.' 

" * Abito — cur me corporis pallore exanimasti? ' 
* Perfidius munusculum, mi vir, administrasti 
Pererro ripas Stygias — recusal justa Pontifex, 
Suicidara Qujestor nuncupat, sed tua culpa, carnifex. 
Tua culpa, carnifex, qui violasti Baliam, • ■ * ' 
Proditam, traditam, miserrimamque Baliam.' 

** fr 

■ i' 


Sunt mi bis deni 

i solidi, quamnitidi quam pulchri; ^ 
)res cauponabere sepulchril/ r f^.^ 

IIos accipe, et honores 

Tum Lerauris non facies ut antea iracundior, 

Argentum ridens numerat, fit ipsa vox jucundior 

* Salve, mihi corculum! lusisti satis Baliam; 

Vale, mihi corculum ! nunc lude,si vis, aliam. 

It was written by the Rev. G. H. Glasse, and printed 

> » 

— » \A. <' 



Gentleman*s Magaz 

2, p. 750.] 

Sundry Qi 
mid say "I 

1 f 

\^.^-~- * 




.» ■*. 


3^1 S. V. Jan. 23» '64.] 



reek for // 
phrase ? 

AVhat is the 





from the French into English ? 

3. Is 

sermons i 





[1. Jamicson explains the phrase, but does not give its 
origin. " * To gie one his kail throw the reek,' is to give 
one a severe reproof, to subject to a severe scolding match. 
*If he brings in the Glengyle folk, and the Glenfiulas and 
Balquhidder lads, he may come to gie you your kail 
through the reek.* Hob Rot/y iii. 75.'* 

2. Daniel de Superville's Sermons have been translated 
by John Reynolds, 2 vols. 8vo. York, 1812; and by 
John Allen, with Memoirs, Lond. 8vo, 1816, 

3. James Saurin's Sermons have been translated by 
Robert Robinson, Dr. Henry Hunter, and Joseph Sut- 
cliffe, in 8 vols. 8vo, tifth edition, 1812.] 

Mottoes and Coats of Arms.^ — Could you 
direct me in what book I can find the mottoes 
used by some of the nobility (peerages now ex- 
tinct), with their coats of arms, about the middle 
of the seventeenth century ? The crest and arms 
are found in many works on heraldry, but the 
mottoes are not given in any work I have con- 


G. W. 

[The following works may be consulted: Book of Fa- 
mill/ Crests and Mottoes^ with 4000 engravings of the 
Crests of the Peers and Gentry of England and Wales, 
Scotland and Ireland: a Dictionary of IMottoes, &c. — 
Elvin's Hand-Book of 3IottoeSy translated with Notes and 
Quotations, 12mo, 1860. — Fairbairn's Crests of Great 
Britain and Irelandy by Butters, 2 vols.roy. 8vo, 18G1.] 

*' The Athenian Mercury.'' — Over what 
period of time did this publication extend ? Who 
were the writers therein ? Are copies scarce? 

P. A. G. 

Dungannon, Ireland. 

[The Athenian Mercury was a continuation of the 
Athenian Gazette under another title, both of them super- 
intended by that eccentric bookseller, John Dunton, 
assisted by the Rev. Samuel Wesley, Mr. Richard Sault, 
and Dr. Norris. The first number of the Athenian Ga- 
zette was published 17th March, 1690-1, and that of the 
Athenian Mercury I3th Dec. 1692: the last number came 
out on Monday, 14th June, 1697. Both works at last 
swelled to twenty volumes folio; these becoming (very 
scarce, a collection of the most curious questions and 
answers was reprinted under the title of The Athenian 
Oracle, in 4 vols. 8vo. Consult Nichols's Literary Anec 



< % 

" Notes to Shakspeare.'' 

of Notes and Various Readi 

Lond. Edw. and Chas. Dillv ? 

Who is the authCr 
?■« to Shakspeare. 
The address to the 

sulbscribcd '^E. C.,'* and dated 1774 


have only the first part. Was a second presented 
to the public ? 

Wynne E. Baxter. 


JVoles and Various Readings to Shakspeare. Lond. 1779-80, 

4to, 3 vols. Vol iii. of this work is entitled •' The School 
of Shakspeare, or Authentic Extracts from divers English 
Books that were in print in that Author's Time, evidently 

shoAving from whence his fdbles were taken,"] 



(3^^ S. iii. 423 ; v. 10.) 

I thank Mr. Mac Cabe for his note, as it throws 
light, I think, on an old provincial word that has 
puzzled me very much. In the churchwardens' 
accounts of a parish in Dorset, 1701-24, I found 
amongst the various and numerous payments for 
"varments' " heads, one entry which all inquiry 
had hitherto failed to elucidate, viz. the payment 

of one shillinir per 

dozen for 

^ J.... — ^v.*. .v.. '^ popes, pops, or 
poops heads." Whether bird or beast remained a 

In the parochial accounts of Chedder, Somerset, 
" woope's heads'' are mentioned — a synonymous 
word, it seemed probable, varying with the dialects 
of the two counties. It now turns out that pup7t 
is an obsolete French word, and synonymous with 
huppe^ hoop (Bailey's DictJ)^ a lapwing. 

Why a price should have been put on the head 
of this harmless and beautiful bird I won't pre- 
tend to say, unless it were from the mistaken 
opinion that it fed on the grain in those cornfields 
which it often frequented for the purpose of pro- 
curing its natural food. The names by which it 
was known in this country 150 years ago seem to 

be quite obsolete now. 

AV. AV. S. 

Your correspondent W. B. Mac Cabe wishes 
to know whether "the lapwing, so remarkable a 
bird in ancient lore and legend, holds any import- 
ance in the folk-lore of England." I am not 
aware that the lapwing {Vanellus cristatus^ Flera.) 
figures at all as a remarkable bird in ancient lore. 
The pupu unquestionably denotes the hoopoe 
(Uptipa epops)^ a bird belonging to an entirely 
different order, and which has been long, and is 
still, regarded in the East with superstition. It 

is the cTTo;// of the Greeks, and the iipupa of Pliny, 
and certainly the term is used in a restricted 
sense to signify the hoopoe alone. In my article 
on " Lapwing," in Dr. Smith's Diet, of the Bible^ 
I have endeavoured to show that the hoopoe is 
the bird meant by the Hebrew duhephath. The 
Egyptians seem to have spoken of this bird under 
the name of koukoupha (see Horapollo, i. 55 ; and 

comp. Leemau's notes j Jablonki O^cra^ i. s. v.j 



[S*-*! a V. Jan. 23, '61 

Bochart, Hicro^. iii. 107-115, ed. RosenmuUer.) 
The Arabs call It hmlhiul; comp. Moore, Lalla 
Roolih, p. 395 (ed. Lond., one vol. 1850) 

^* Fresh as the fountain underground, 
Whon first 'tis by the lapwing found " 

where Moore has the following note : *' The liiid- 
luid or lapwing is supposed to haA^e the power of 
discovering water underground." (See "Lapwing," 
Smith's Diet.) The blood of this bird was be- 
lieved by the Arabs to have supernatural effects. 
To this day they ascribejnagical powers to the 

' As to the old 

hoopoe, and call it the ''Doctor. 
French word pupn, I refer your correspondent 
to Belon, rilistoirc de la NaL des Oijsexmx^ p. 
293, who says : 

"Xousluv donnons cg nom {la huppe) h cause de sa 
creste, niais'les Grecs Tout nominee e/>o/7s, a cause de son 
fry, Xous la nommos ua puput: car, en oultre ce qu'elle 
faft .son nid d'ordure, aussi tait une voix en chantant qui 
dit puput/' 

I need not say that the account of the materials 
whicli are here said to form the nest of the hoopoe, 
— originally proceeding from Aristotle, though 

still, I believe, credited by some of the lower orders 
in France, — contains a gross libel on the bird, 
which, it is true, is not very cleanly in its habits, 
but is not so bad as is reported. 

From the fact of the lapwing, or peewit, having 
a crest, and bein;^ a better known bird in Europe, 

to see how la huppe might 


it is easy 

sionallv be used to denote this 


The lap- 
wing, according to Dr. Leyden, quoted by Yar- 
rell {Brit. Blrds^ ii. 484, ed. 2nd), is still regarded 
as an unlucky bird in consequence of the Cove- 
nanters in the time of Charles 11. having been 
discovered by their pursuers from the flight and 
screaming of these restless birds. 

W. Houghton. 



(3^'i S. iv. 226, 317.) 

If it would be performing a really useful work, 
and if others will take it up, I will do my part 
by copying the inscriptions on all the tombstones 
in the churchyard of my parish. I have often 
thought of doing it, but have never had resolu- 
tion. Some of my friends tell me it is not neces- 
sary, for that the parish register is quite enough 
for all purposes. It may however be remarked, 
that the register contains the date of the burial, 
but not the day of the death, as the stone does. 
In some registers I know, I have seen occa- 
bionally both circumstances recorded ; but this is 
rare. And the stone contains more than the 
register. It generally mentions the age of the 
deceased person, or date of birth ; together witli 
some genealogical particular, as whose son or 


Antiquabius and E. are quite right 

in advocating the desirableness of having copies 
taken of all parish registers down to the time 
when' they firsb began to be made in duplicate. 
The insecure places in which these valuable books 
are kept, in most parishes, is a subject deserving 
the most severe censure. I know instances, and 
have heard of others, where the register has been 
burnt or otherwise destroyed ; because it was in 
<;om« closet at the vicaraire instead of safe in the 

parish chest, where it ought to 


All the 

original registers ought to be deposited in some 



nished to each parish. It has always been mar- 
vellous to me that some Member of Parliament 
has never taken up this truly national subject. 
And it is hiijh time that some check should be 
put upon the reckless destruction of old churches 
that is now going on all over the country. How 
many crimes are committed in the name of 
"restoration!" Of course, it is the interest of 
architects to knock one church down, and build 
up another. A clergyman consults an architect 
on the state of his church; and then, very soon 
afterwards, unconsciously to himself, becomes 
little better than a puppet in the hands of his 
architect. Many of our old churches, which are 
now being levelled with the ground, might be re- 
tained to the admiration of generations yet un- 
born, if the spirit of preservation, instead of the 
spirit of destruction, were more prevalent in the 
land. It would be well for our churches, if every 
vicar of a parish were something of an architect, 
for so indeed he ought to be. In that case he 
would be the master over his architect, instead 
of being his servant, as he is now in too many in- 
stances. As for churchwardens, they need not be 
named; because they are, generally, three degrees 
more ignorant, and ten degrees more pig-headed, 

than their betters. 


with me, that not one clergyman in ten, or one 
churchwarden in a hundred, is fit to have the cate 
of his own church or parish register. These 
are hard words, no doubt ; but I beg to say this 
opinion has been forced upon me by clergymen 
and churchwardens themselves. I have watched 
them from time to time, and have found them 
wanting. Remember, I am speaking of the great 
majority : for there are some few honourable ex- 
ceptions, but only a few. Let clergymen study a 
little ofarchitecture, and alittle of antiquities; and 
then they would be better able to appreciate the 
venerable features in the fabric of their churches, 
and guard them with a jealous care against the 
sweeping measures of an architect, or the igno- 

rance of churchwardens. 






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9* S. V. Jan. 23, 'Gl.] 



►— *< 


(3^dg^ V. 40, 60,) 

While innocently wandering in the pleasant 
meads of literary antiquities, culling a flower here 
and there, and occasionally interchanging courte- 

" ' spirits delighting in similar 




pursuits, I find that I have unwittingly stumbled 
into a perfect Santa Barbara of something very 
like odium iheolof^icitm. Of course, the consequent 

and strong 

explosion took place, sudden, fierce, 
as a treble charge could make it, but, with respect 
to myself, quite innocuous ; in all good feeling, I 
earnestly hope that the magazine has suffered as 
little injury as the intruder, and that the engineers 
have not been hoisted by their own petards. 

First in place, as first in ability and candour, 
appears F. C. H. His argument, if it be worthy 
of the name, has no reference to what St. Patrick 
did or did not, but as to what he (F. C. H.) would 
do, if placed in similar circumstances, and just 
amounts to this — I would do it, a7'gal St. Patrick 
did. Apart from its obvious weakness, this is a 

these two different illustrations, made use of by 
St. Patrick and St. Aujjustine, are far from beins: 
absurd or 
plying that I had applied these epithets to St. 

Au2ustine's illustration 

egregiously irreverent,'* thereby iin- 

which again is mcor- 

most dangerous 

method of dealing 



It is curious to observe how the v/ord illustra- 
tion has been modified by F. C. II. and Canon 
Dalton, since they first used it, regarding this 
allejied act of St. Patrick. The former now terms 
it '' some sort of illustration, however feeble and 
imperfect," and the latter, " a faint illustration." 
To illustrate a subject is literally to throw light 
upon it, and may be done either rhetorically, or, 
in our commonest use of the word at the present 
^^J'} hy a pictorial or material representation ; 
the latter, of course, being the stronger and more 
forcible. A wretched man, named Carlile, a few 
years ago, exposed in his shop-window in Fleet 
Street, a hideous en<Travinii^, under which were 
the words '^ Jews and Christians, behohl 

God ! " 

A Jewish gentleman smashed the pane, 
and in consequence was taken before a magistrate. 
The gentleman pleaded just indignation as his 

spiritual. Eliminate the beautiful language and excuse ; while Carlile urged that the engraving 

florid French sentiment from M. Kenan's Vie de 
Jesiis^ and we shall find a very similar absence of 
reasoning, if I may so express myself, impotently 
brandished against the miracles of our Saviour 
M. Kenan cannot work miracles, he would not if 

was carefully made from Scriptural descriptions of 
the Deity. The magistrate at once dismissed the 
case, observing that the exposure of such an en- 
graving was a blasphemous insult to the com- 

munity at 


Suppose Carlile had put a 

he could, and therefore, &c. &c. I have not the shamrock in his window, and had written beneath 
honour of being personally acquainted with it, Christians, behold your Trinity ! — would the 
F. C. H., but from his communications in this 

Journal, I believe him to be a Christian gentleman 
and scholar, a man of common sense, and more 
than ordinary ability; nevertheless, he must ex- 
cuse me for not placing him in the same category 
as St. Patrick, the venerated Apostle of my much 
loved native land. '* What could any enemy to 
Christianity have hoped to gain by inventing such 
a story ? " asks F. C. H. I answer, the story is 
one eminently calculated to throw contempt on 
the sacred mystery of the Trinity ; but I would 
certainly despair of being able to bring F. C. H. 
to my opinion. 

^ With respect to Canon Dalton's communica- 
tion, I am .... . . , , 

blasphemy or insult be any the less ? 

I could say something of the word comparison; 
its derivation from the Latin com par^ signifying 
the putting together of equals ; of the well-known 
mode of comparison by illustration ; but I fear it 
would be of little service to persons seemingly 
ignorant of the meaning of the simple word tradi^ 
Hon, (Vide 3^^ S. iv. 187, 233, 293). 

D. P. points out *' that the appearance of the 

compass has no 
As in the same 

nothing less than 


say it IS characterised by 



to me, " Your correspondent supposes 
tbat St. Patrick compared the Shamrock to the 
mjrstery of the Trinity." This is incorrect ; my 
paper was, on the contrary, an objection to that 
supposition, as expressed by others. Again, he 
says, " Me. Pinkerton refers to the well-known 
H-eatise of St. Augustine Be Trinitate" This 
also is incorrect ; I referred to and related a legend 
of St. Augustine, said to have occurred when he 
was writing De Trinitate. Canon Dalton then 
adduces St. Augustine's verbal illustration of the 

fleur-de-lys on the mariner's 
bearing at alF' upon my case, 
paragraph, I was endeavouring to show that " the 
triad is still a favourite figure in national and 
heraldic emblems,'* I am certain that it has a very 
extended and important bearing. For D. P/s 
information on the antiquity of the mariner's 
compass, I am obliged ; but as an old sailor and 
traveller in almost all parts of the globe, who has 
long studied the history of that most valuable 
instrument, I fancy that I know much more about 
it than is to be found either in Moreri or Du 

The legend of St. Augustine, which D. P. 
terms a well-known incident in the life of that 
saint, IS not apposite, I am told. If words have 
any meaning, it was not intended to be so. I 
designated it as charming and instructive, while I 

Trinity, jind ends by saying, ** I maintain that stigmatised the story of St. Patrick as absurd, if 



[3»<i S. V. Jan. 23, '64. 

not egreglouslj irreverent. As these last words 
refer to a simple matter of opinion, and seem to 
have fiiven offence, I retract them, with regret 
that I had ever used them ; though, of course, my 
opinion remains unchanged. And it is consoling 
to me, in this case, to be informed by F. C. 11. 
that " no one is bound to believe the tradition of 
St. Patrick and the Shamrock." Having thus 
retracted my expression of opinion, I shall con- 
clude with a matter of fact. The reply of F. C. II. 
though feeble, was at least fair; but the com- 
munications of Canon Dai,ton and D. P. are 

tainted by either a stolid misapprehension, or 
wilful perversion, of what I did write. And I 
confidently appeal to (he grand jury, formed by 
the intelligent readers of "N. & Q.," if this Ian- 
2ua2e be too strong for the occasion. 

William Pinkerton, 









This author, John Shurley, or 


wrote his name both ways), was a voluminous 
writer of epliemeral productions in the last quar- 
ter of the seventeenth century. lie is, undoubt- 
edly, the person so graphically described in the 
following passage from old John Dunton".^ Life 
and Errors : 

'* ^Ir. Shirley {alias Dr. Shirley) is a goodnaturod 
writf^r, as I know. He has been an indefatigable prcss- 
niauler for above these twenty years. He has published 
at least a hundred bound books, and about two hundred 
sermons ; but the cheapest, pretty, pat things, all of them 
pence a-piece as long as they will run. His great talent 
lies at colh'ciion^ and he will do it for you at six shillings 
a sheet. He knows to disguise an author that you shall 
not know him, and yet keep the sense and the main 
scope entire. He is as true as steel to his word, and 
would slave off his feet to oblige a bookseller. He is 
usually very fortunate in Avhat he goes upon. He wrote 
Lord Jeffrcf/s^s Life for me, of which six thousand were 
sold. After all, he subsists, as other authors must expect, 
by a sort of geometry."— Edit. 1818, i. 184. 

Besides numerous small tracts and ballads, 
mostly printed by *' William Thackeray In Duck 
Lane," Shirley was the author of the following 
works, chiefly "collections" as Dunton expresses 
it— a list very far short of the " hundred bound 
books " which came from his ready pen : 

1. The Most Delightful History of Reynard the Fox, 
in heroic verse. 4to, 1681. 

2. The Renowned History of Guy, Earl of Warwick: 
containing his noble Exploits and Victories. 4to, 1081. 


8vo, 1682-3. 

4. The Honour of Chivalry; or, the ^v....v„o «mv* x^c- 
lectable History of Don Bellianis of Greece. Translated 
out of Italian. 4to, 1683. 

5. The History of the Wars of Hungary, or an Ac- 
count of the Miseries of that Kingdom. 12mo, 1685. 

6. The Illustrious Historv of Wnmpii . fK«,.riir.i.^ tv^^-i^ 

enrich'd and intermixed with curious Poetry and delicate 

Eancie. 8vo, 1686. 

7. The Accomplished Ladie's rich Closet of Rarities. 

12mo, 1688. 

8. The True Impartial History of the Wars of the 

Kingdom of Ireland. 12mo, 1692. 

9. The Unfortunate Favorite; or, Memoirs of the 
Life of the late Lord Chancellor [Jefferies]. 8vo, n. d. 

When T. B. says, "there Is no mention of him 
[J. Shurley] in Holm's edition of Lowndes,'' he is 
in error. The works in the above list, marked 2, 
6, 7, and 8, arc duly chronicled by Lowndes ; but 
under Sh/rley, not Shz^rlcy. There should have 
been a counter reference under the latter name. 
In this respect much might be done towards im- 
proving this (with all its errors) valuable hand- 
book to the literary collector. 

Anthony Wood mentions a John Shirley, the 
son of a London bookseller of the same name, 
who wos born in 1648, and entered Trinity Col- 
lege in 1664. But for the certain fact that this 
person died at Islington in 1679, I should have 
imagined him to have been the John Shirley of 


whom I have given a notice ; especially as Wood 
tells us '^ he published little things of a sheet and 
half-a-sheet of paper. 

Dunton, it will be seen, calls our author *^ Mr. 
Shirley, altas Dr. Shirley.'' If, therefore, we sup- 
pose him to have been originally educated for the 
medical profession, he may have been the author 
of the following works, unnoticed by Lowndes or 
his editor. They were certainly written by a John 
Shirley : 

1. A Short Compeadium of Chirurgery. 8vo, 1678. 

2, The Art of Rowling and Bolstring, that is, the 
Method of Dressing and Binding tip the several Parts. 

8vo, 1683. 

Edward F. Rimbault. 

French Coronets (3'''^ S. iv. 372.) — In answer 
to M. B., there are descriptions and engravings of 
the coronets worn by the French nobility in Sel- 


If H. 


Blason. Paris, 1858. 


Baroness (3*^^^ S. v. 54.) — Foreign titles give 
no rank in this country. 

The daughter of a haron 

would be received as the daughter of a baron by 
the style to which she is entitled in her own 
country. G. . 

The Bloody Hand (3'^ S. v. 54.) — Your cor- 
respondent has raised two questions upon false 
data : a reference to one of the thousand patents 
which exist would have shown that no such grant 
was made to baronets and their descendants. For 
their greater honour and distinction all baronets 
of England and Ireland, as do now the baronets of 
the United Kingdom, enjoy the privilege granted 
to them and *' their heirs male" of their body, of 


3fJS. V. Jan." 23, '64.] 



bearing in a canton a Land gules, which was in Gozzo) and Pasquin, of which I cannot give an 

time being, | account, not having been tempted to read enough 

of it. Though probably stinging when fresh, it is 

fact a grant to the baronet for the 

' «nd is a distinction borne by, and personal to, the 

individuals enjoying and possessed of the digniti/ . 

Such a grant as your correspondent alledges woulJ 

have overshadowed the land by this time with the 

"Bloody hand of Ulster," G. 

. Aems of Saxony (3'*^ S. v. 12, 64.) — Let me 
add a passage from Fliessbach's Muntzsammlung^ 
to what De Leth says about the arms of Han- 

not interesting now. 

The title is 

" Le Vision! politiche sopra gli interessi piu recon- 
diti, di tutti Prencipi e Eepubliche della Christianity, 
divisi in varii Sogni e Ragionaiuenti tra Pasquino e il 
Gobbo di Rialto." Germania, 1G71, 24mo, pp. 540. 

H. B. a 

U. U. Club. 


"Hannover hat kein eigentliUmliches Wappen. 

sich entweder das 

dem Revers der Munzen zeigt 

sixchsische rennende Pferdy" &c. &c. 


Bull-bull (3*^*^ S. v. 38.) — A joke on this 

as having been 

John Davidson. 

Satirical Sonnet : Gozzo and Pasquin (3*^^ 
S. iii. 151.) — Chevreau gives a sonnet by M. des 
Yveteaux, founded on Martiars Vitam qnce faci- 
unt heatiorem (lib. x. ep. 47), and says : — 

•' Un Abbe, qui avoit lu le sonnet crut me donner quel • 
que chose de fort bon, ea uie donnant a Kome le sonnet 
qui suit : 

" Haver la moglie brutta ed ingelosita ; 

Araar chi mai veder non si possa ; 

E ritrovarsi in mar quando s'ingrossa, 
E non aver da chi sperar aita ; 
Lo star solingo in parte erma, e romita ; 

Viver prigione in sotterranea fossa ; 

Haver il mal Franceseinsino al ossa; 
E cortegiando strapessar la vita. 
Haver Ferrari, e zingari vicini ; 

Trattar con gente cerimoniosa; 
L' haver ii far con hosti, e vettorini ; 

Certo rendon la vita assai noiosa : 
Ma star a Roma e non haver quattrini, 

E piu d'ogn' altra insopportabil cosa." 

ChevrceanOj t. i. p. 295, Amst. 1700. 

Gravina settled at Eome, in 1685. His repu- 
tation was high, and he was the principal founder 
3f the Arcadians in 1695 ; but he was not ap- 
pointed Professor of Civil Law till 1699. Hi 
temper was not good, as may be seen by the 
quarrels between him and Sergardi, and probably 
ie was unquiet at waiting so long for promo- 
ion. The Letters from Roma and Bologna are 
lated 1699. ^^ 



name of the nightingale is told 
made by the late Lord Robertson (a Judge of the 
Court of Session, well known as Peter or Patrick 
Robertson), in order fully to see the wit of which, 
it is necessary to explain to your English readers 
that in the Scotch vernacular the word '' cow 
pronounced "coo." A lady having asked him, 
" What sort of animal is the bull-bull ? '' he replied 
I suppose, Ma'am, it must be the mate of the 
coO'Coo'' (cu(?koo). G. 


Salden Mansion (3^^ S. iv. 373.)~Kappa will 
find a small engraving, with a history of the old 
mansion at Salden, and of the branch of the For- 
tescues to whom it belonged, in the first volume 


of the Records of Backinghamslin^e^ published at 
Aylesbury, by Pickburn, for the Bucks Archoeolo. 

gical Society. 

F. T>. IL 

;he "Abbe 


Chevreau does not say when he met 
but supposing him to be Gravina, 
ve may guess that the sonnet as described in the 
Letteis was written in an impatient spirit before 
he appointment, and the sLing changed from, "to 
eek promotion at Rome without ready money," 
o '' star in Roma e non aver quattrini^'' after it. 
le might have thought the sonnet too good to be 
ost, though the point was spoiled, as the evil of 
»eing without money is not felt more at Rome than 
n many other places. I think this is enough to fix 
he authorship of the sonnet ; but would Chevreau^^ 
rho never omits an opportunity of naming a 
lever or illustrious acquaintance, have called so 
istinguished a man as Gravina « Un Abbe"? 

There is a satirical dialogue been Gobbo (not 

Madman's Food tasting of Oatmeal Por- 
ridge (3^*^ S. V. 35, G4.) — In Sir Walter Scott's 
novel, The Pii^ate^ there is the following note : — 

*' A late medical gentleman, my particular friend, told 
nie the case of a lunatic patient confined in the Edinburgh 
Infirmary. He was so far happy that his mental alien- 
ation was of a gay and pleasant character, giving a kind 
of joyous explanation to all that came in contact with 
him. He considered the large house, numerous servants, 
&c., of the hospital, as all matters of state and consequence 
belonging to his own personal establishment, and had no 
doubt of his OAvn wealth and grandeur. One thing alone 
puzzled this man of wealth. Although he was provided 
with a first-rate cook and proper assistants, although his 
table was regularly supplied with every delicacy of the 
season, yet he confessed to my friend, that by some un- 
common depravity of the palate, everything which he 
ate "tasted of porridge." This peculiarity, of course, 
arose from the poor man being fed upon nothing else, and 
because his stomach was not so easily deceived as his 
other senses." — The Pirate^ vol. ii. chap. xiii. note i. 

A Wykehamist. 

Chukchwarden Query (S''* S. v. 34, 65.) 
In answer to A. A. I extract the foUowinir : 

" Sidesmen (i-ectius synodsmcn) is used for those per- 
sons or officers that are yearly chosen in great parishes in 
London and other cities, according to custom, to assist 
the churchwardens in their presentments of such offenders 
and offences to the ordinary as are punishable in the 
spiritual courts: and they are also called quesfmen. They 
take an oath for doing their duty, and are to present per- 
sons that do not resort to church on Sundays^ and there 
continue during the whole time of divine service, &c. 

Cano7i 90. — They shall not be cited by the ordinary to 



[3^^ S. V, Jan, 23. '61 

appear but at usual times, unless they have wilfully 
omitted for favour, to make presentment of notorious pub- 
lick crimes, ^'ben they may be proceeded against for 
breach of oath, as for perjury." Canon 117. — Jacobs 
Laiv Dictionari/y 1772, sub v. 



Name (y^ S. iv. 141, 418, 

'Formerly there "svere many persons surnanied Ujic 
Devil.' In an ancient book we read of one Rogerius 
Diabohis, Lord of Montresor. An English Monk, Wil- 
lehnus, cognomento Diabolu.s. Again, Hughes le Diable, 

Robert, Duke of Normandy, son of 

- 'In 

Lord of Lusignan. 

William the Conqi' 
Norway and Sweden there were two families of the name 
of 'Trolle,' in English, ^ Devil;' and every branch of 
thoir familio.^ had an emblem of the devil for their coat of 
arms. In Utrecht there was a family called * Teufel,' (or 
Devil) ; and in Brittanv there was a family of the name 
of * Diable.'"— il/^/?M/y3/i/Tor, August, 1799. 


(3-^ S. 


Craven. In 
had a quar 

515.) — The following may assist Sigma Theta in 
his inquiry after the Watsons of Lofthouse, York- 
shire. The pedigree in the British Museum is 
evidently that of the Watsons of Lofthouse near 
AV^akefield, a branch of the Watsons of Bolton-in- 

the year 1493 W.Watson, of Lofthouse, 
;rel with Gilbert Leigh, Esq., about 
some land, and referred the case to Sir Ed. Smith, 
and Sir John York, of Wakefield, for arbitration. 
About the year 1600 John Rooks, of Royds Hall, 
near Bradford, mar. Jennet, dau. and co-heir of 
Richard Watson, of Lofthouse, Esq. ; soon after 
which event the family appear to have removed to 
Easthaye, near Pontefract, as we find that Ed- 
mund Watson, of Easthaye, answered to the sum- 


of Dugdale at his sitting at "Pomfret, 7 

Apr. 16GG," and claimed, — Arms. Argent, on a 
chevron azure between three martlets gules, as 
many crescents or.* Crest. A griffin's head erased 
sable, holding in bis beak, or, a rose-branch slipped 
vert. *' For proofe hereof there is an old glasse 
window in an house at Loftus, which was antiently 
belonging to this family, as Mr. John Ilopkinson 
affirms." This was Mr, Hopkinson, the Loft- 
house antiquary, who attended Dugdale, in his 


piled the MS. pedigrees of the Yo ^ 

a copy of which is in the British Museum. 

I flo not trace any connection between the Wat- 
sons of Lofthouse and those of Bilton Park, who 

and to have acquired 
the Stockdales. See 
(Tong), and Dugdal 



:ove's Knaresborough 

tations of Yorkshire^ 

Ed. Surtees' Society, Whitaker's Craven^ also his 

■ Elmete^ James's Bradford, and the 


liichardson Correspondence. 

C. Forrest, 




Longevity op Clergymen (3'** S. v. 65,) 
The gentleman whom Prestoniensis terms the 
Rev. Joseph Rowley, was named Joshua, He was 
a son of Sir Joshua Rowley, Bart., and after being 
educated at Harrow School, was admitted a pen- 
sioner of St. John s College, Cambridge, March 29, 
1787, and a fellow commoner, March 1, 1788, pro- 
ceeding B.A., 1791, and commencing M.A., 1794. 

C. H. & Thompson Coopee, 


Arthur Dobbs (S"'^ S. v. 63.) — May I express 
a hope that your correspondent, Mr. Crossley, 
will kindly favour us with some particulars fronj- 
(if not with the whole of) George Chalmers's un- 
published biography of Arthur Dobbs? Francis 
Dobbs, whose Concise View from History and 
Prophecy^ &c. (Dublin, 1800), is certainly a curi-; 
osity, was, I presume, a member of the same 
family. Abhba. 

BisHor Dive Downes's "Tour through Cork 
AND Ross" (2"^ S. ix. 45.) — Having sent a query 
respecting this valuable and interesting document, 
I may be permitted to record in " N. & Q.,'' that 
" the whole of Bishop Dive Downes's Tonr through 
the Diocese of Cork and Ross, in 1699 and follow- 
ing years, has been incorporated into" the Rev. 
Dr. Brady's Clerical and Parochial Records of 
Corli, Cloyne, and Ross, of which two volumes 
have appeared (Dublin, 1863). AbhbAc 

Of Wit (3^^ S. v. 30.)— Mr. Peter Cunning- 
ham has favoured us with several interesting ex- 
amples of the various uses of the word ''wit:" 
may I be allowed to append to his illustrations one 
or two Biblical passages which show the pi^osaic 
definition of the term, as implying ingenuity, sa- 
gacity, discernment, or knowledge generally : 

"For I was a witty c\\\\6, and had a good spirit." 

Wisdom of Solomon, viii. 19. 

^*I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out know- 
ledge of witty inventions." — Proverbs, viii. 12. 

Holofernes commends Judith for her wit^ or 

wisdom : 

" And they marvelled at her wisdom, and said, there is 
not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, 
both for beauty of face and wisdom of words. — Likewise 
Holofernes said unto her, . . . and now thou aft both 
beautiful in thy countenance, and witty in thy words."- 
Judith, xi. 20-23, 

I suppose the earliest use of this word, as a con- 





ever may have been the intellectual powers of 
those who composed the witan, we may presume 
that the knowledge of which the senators gave 
proof, was solid, prosaic, and practical ; we ca» 
hardly fancy a sprightly Saxon cutting jokes, or 
capable of any lively association of ideas, that 


N. &Q 

worth _. 
F. Thillott. 




S'd S. V. Jan. 28, '64. ] 







being formerly 

employed in 

a vague 

sense to express the almost identical dialects of 
Arabic and Syrlac. This word, " Matfelon," 
ftfter allowing for the corruptions and abbrevia- 
tions naturally incident to its use for centuries, 
bears so strong a resemblance to the Arabic par- 
ticiple equivalent to the word ''Paritura," that 
even if I quoted Pennant incorrectly, yet I think 
it more probable that he should be mistaken in 
citing a current tradition, than that so curious a 
coincidence should be entirely unfounded. But 
my impression is that I quoted Pennant cor- 
rectly ; and, at all events, if we credit Pennant's 
testimony to a matter of fact, i. e. the existence of 
such a tradition, the word "Matfelon" was sup- 
posed to express one of the sacred functions 
assigned by the divine counsels to the Blessed 
Virgin Mary in her relation to the incarnation of 
her adorable Son. 

Since I last wrote I find that it is not at all 
necessary to regard " Matfelon " as feminine, and 
abbreviated from " Matvaladatum," because, al- 
though in opposition with '' Mary," Eastern syn- 
tax commonly admits the agreement of an epithet 
in gender with the more worthy masculine to 
which it may refer. In tracing also the word 


to the Arabic '' Matvaladon," or 

" Matfaladon," I should be glad if one of your 
correspondents would supply me with examples 
of d being passed over in rapid pronunciation. 
The d is nearly = the hard th, and this is dropped 
in tlie pronoun them. In Greek and Sanscrit 
there is a kind of interchange of the letters t/, ^, 
and hj some Latin supines lose the d. In Eng- 

5t.Maet Matfelon (3^« S. iv. 5, 55, 419, 483.) 
id not at all undertake to interpret the word 
" Matfelon : " all that I attempted m my former I 
communication was an approximate verification of 

the meanmg said 

been traditionally given to it. 

. Pennant undoubtedly intimates that the 
" Matfelon '' was 

I have seen these verses attributed to St. Aij- 
gustin. The thought was very likely his origi- 
nally, but the verses smack rather of mediaeval 
quaintness. F. C. H. 

Mrs. Fitzherbert (S'^ S. iv. 411, 522 ; v. 59.) 
I was personally acquainted with Mrs. Fitzher- 
bert, and have long been intimate with her re- 
latives and connexions ; and I have always heard 
that she never had a child at all. Indeed I have 
not the least doubt that this is correct. 

F. C. II. 

'' One Swallow^ does not make a Summer " 

ra^'^ s. V. 




The late ingenious Dr. Forster, 

the arrival of the swallow 


" Cum Zephyris si concedes et hirundine prima." 

He also mentions that the swallow's return was 
a holiday for children in Greece, in anticipation 
of which thev used to exclaim : — 


n Zefy ;(;eAi5a?z/ aparrore (paivriaQaL. 


He quotes some poet, to him unknown, who 
says, writing of Spring : 

" The swallow, for a moment seen, 
Skimmed this morn the village green ; 
Again at eve, when thrushes sing, 

I saw her glide on rapid wing, 

O'er yonder pond's smooth surface, w^icn 

I welcomed her come back again." 


low Day," and as named in the Ephemeris of 
Nature, X^XiboPocpopia ; and he mentions that the 
west wind is called in Italy Chelidonius^ from its 
blowing about the time of the swallow's appear- 
ance. All these passages bear upon the subject 






Heath to one modern poet, 

who, in a well-known passage, connects the swal- 

lish Cholmondeley makes Chomley^ Sawbridge- ^*^^^ with the earlier of the two seasons 

worth, Sapsworth. In Scottish bridge makes hrigg, 

&c. I should be pleased with some more exam- 

underneath the eaves, 


My learned friend A 

appears to 


The brooding swallows cling; 
As if to show me their sunnv backs, 
And twit me with the Spring." 

Alrcwas, Lichfield. 

iiiants tradition, and therefore my remarks 
do not apply to his suggested interpretation. 
But, I would ask, are any examples of a similar , 
fot-m in dedicating churches ? Would the name 1 Psalm xc. 9. 
of God be subjoined even to that of his £ 






The following 


St. Mary's, Great Ilford. 

Quotations Wanted (3'^ S. v. 62.) ~ I hav^ 


extract, from a very strikin^^ sermon by the Rev. 
A. J. Morris (I believe) an Independent minister, 
may be interesting to Mr. Dixon, and to other 
readers : 


verses : /^ Hoc est nescire," etc. : 

" Qui Christum noscit, sat est si c^etera 
: Qui Christum nescit. nil snlf. si r/pfpri 

. -^'Z' ^--v •-■ ^^i^ j " • we spend our years as a tale that is tola/ ilie 
lollowing form of the ^vords scarcely give the true idea. •That is told/ is in 

italics, the sign of insertion by the translators: there is 
nothing answering to it in the original. Instead of * tale,' 
the margin has 'meditation;' * we spend our years 
as a meditation.' But even this hardly gives the full 



[3^d s. V. Jak. 23, '64. 

thought. Hengstenberg observes, that the word * can- 
not signify a conversation, a tale: for it always de- 
notes something inward, and is never used of a conver- 
sation with another. As little can it denote a pure 
thought, for the noun in the other two passages where it 
occurs stands for something loud ; and the verb properly 
denotes, not the pure thought, but what is intermediate 
between thought and discourse. The Psalmist compares 
human existence, as regards its transitory nature, to a 
soliloquy, which generally bears the character of some- 
thing transitory and broken. The mind does not ad- 
vance beyond single half-uttered words and sentences, 
and soon retires again into the region of pure thought. 
To such a transitory murmur and ejaculation is that 
human life compared, which stupid dreamers look upon 
as an eternity/ 

"The word occurs twice: in Job xxxvii. 2, 


attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that 
goeth out of his mouth ;' and Ezekiel ii. 10, — ' And there 
was written therein lamentations, and mourning^ and woe.' 
In the first passage, the reference is to the thunder, the 
loud and sudden claps of thunder, which is the voice, the 
utterance, the grand soliloquy of God. In the second 
passage, the word describes the broken accents of grief — 
the abrupt and incomplete exclamations of deep and 
overwhelming sorrow. So when life is described in the 
text: the meaning is, that it is a brief and broken ex- 
clamation, a hurried voice, a short and startling sound, 
which soon is lost in the silence of eternity." 

Alfred Atnger. 

Alrewas, Lichfield. 


S. iv. 515 ; V. 



) — The story mentioned by 
your correspondents is of very doubtful authority. 
Jortlu ignores it. Knight knows nothing of it. 
It is nowhere noticed in Erasmus's own works. 
The German write 
even allude to it. 



do not 

Burigni narrates the tale on 

very doubtful evidence. His words are 

"Des Auteurs, dont le suffrage k la verite n'est pas 
d'un grand poiJs, ont pretendu que la connaissance de 
Morus et d'Erasme avait commence d'une facon sineu- 
lifere," etc. ^ ^ 

And he refers, for the oriirin of the incident, to 


) There is one 

p. 44." {Vie ctErasme^ 

circumstance which seems at once to render the 
story incredible. The scene of it is laid in 
London, after More had become famous. Now 
Erasmus was at Oxford in 1479, probably at the 
very time that More was resident there. He 
distinctly mentioned More (ep. 62) among the 
friends whose acquaintance he had made at Ox- 
ford, Charnock and Colet. It is scarcely likely 
that two such men should have been residing at 
the University at the same time ; and have pos- 
sessed mutual friends, and yet have never met 

Morice was completed, in 1510, in More 

own house. 

W. J.D 

Sir Edward May (3-^^ S. v. 35, 65.) — R. W. 

should have mentioned where, in Burke's Extinct 
and Dormant Baronetcies, the pedigree of this baro- 
net is given. From his arms, *' Gu. a fesse between 
eight billets or,'' he was clearly of the family of 
the Mays of Kent, of which one of the late repre- 
sentatives, the eccentric but amiable and worthy 
Walter Barton May, Esq., built Hadlow Castle, 
near Tunbridge, a singular and handsome struc- 
ture, after the fashion of Beckford's Fonthill 
Abbey. It is now the property of Robert Rodger, 
Esq., J. P. A. 

Scottish Games {S'^ S. iv. 230.) — Permit me 
to help in the elucidation of ray own queries on 
this subject. I would remark that I naturally 
thought it needless 

to refer to 


tionary^ when one so learned in Scottish matters 
as Mr. Eraser Tytler indicated ignorance ; but I 
have done so, and the following is the result : 
Prop= a mark or object at which to aim (only 
reference, Dunbar's Poems^ Bannatyne ed. p. 53.) 
Sax. Prap. It means a thing supported, propped 
up. This justifies my "Aunt Sally" conjecture. 
'' Lang Bowlis," = *' agame much used in Angus, 
in which heavy leaden bullets are thrown from the 
hand. He who flings his bowl furthest, or can 
reach a given point with fewest throws, is the 
victor. It is not '^ Golf" then ; but '^ Row-bowlis," 
as distinguished from " Lang Bowlis," is likely to 

the bowls used 
in it resembling (and perhaps originally they 

be our modern game of bowls 



There is no trace of the game in 
Kiles" are referred to in Jamieson 

as '^ Keils," not, however, as Scotch ; and the de- 
finition given of cognate words supports my sug- 
gestion that " nine pins " is meant. There is no 
trace, so far as I can see, of " Irish Gamyne" in 
Jamieson. '* Tables " must be chess or draughts. 
Jamieson quotes ^' Inventories, A 1539, p. 49," in 
which distinction is made between " table men " 
and " chess men," but he thinks '* tables" never 
meant draughts, only chess and dice. Perhaps 
Mr. Tytler's 
he asked the 
have known. 


of " Tables." He 

in thinking 


till a later period in London. But if the date of ^^ Manilla Hall, Clifton : 


(3'''' S. V. 11.) — In compliance with the sugges- 
tion of your correspondent M. S. R., I send you 
the following, copied from the cenotaph in front ^ 


become Chancellor, i. e. in 1529, or even after he 



C. Brereton, J. Moore. 

bad been Icnighted, 2. e. about 1517, its absurdity Captains. — Iluntcall, Stewart, Wingfield, Delaval, 

is manifest ; as it is quite certain, from numerous 


and we know that the En 

Chisholra, Cheshyre, Upfield, Strachan, Muir, Moore. 

LieutenanU.~^hs\ey, G. Browne, Hopkins, Eobins 
T. Browne, Le Grand, Winchelsea, Roston, Campb 

Fryer, Turner, Richbell, Coucliier, Bristed, Ilardwick: 

. f 


S'** S. t. Jan. 23, '64.] 




- Ensigns.— Collins, Paslette, La Tour, Hosier, M*Mahon. 

' Surgeons.— Smith, Athcrtou. 

As your correspondent points to the particular 
/olumes of the Annual Register and Gentleman's 
Magazine^ in which the Latin inscription and a 

In what old romance does the valiant knight 
fail to boast of his " trusty blade" ? 

'' Trustworthy data'' — " trustworthy facts,'' 
" trustworthy documents," &c. &c., are phrases of 
everyday occurrence, and I must 

translation are to be found, I do not send them assert not less correct than common. 

with this, but the names and dates of the battles 
(of which he desires to be informed) 


The lines of Pondicherry stormed, Sept. 10, 1760, 

Pondicherry surrendered, Jan. 16, 17G1. 

Carricall taken, April 5, 17G0. 

Siege of Madras raised, Feb. 17, 1759. 

Battle of Wandewash, Jan, 22, 17G0. 

Arcot recovered, Feb. 10, 17G0. 

Manilla Hall, which was built on Clifton Downs 
by Sir Wm. Draper soon after his return from 
the capture of Manilla from the Spaniards, is now 
the Boarding School of C. T. Hudson, M.A. of 
St. John's Collc^^^e, Cambridge, for some years 
Head Master of the Bristol Grammar School. 

The cenotaph in question stands on the right- 
hand of the portico (as you come out of the hall), 
and on the left-hand is a handsome obelisk, some 
twenty-five or thirty feet high, to the memory of 
Lord Chatham, bearing this inscription : 

** GuLiELMO Prrx, Com. de Chatham : Hoc Amicitia? 
privat£e Testimonium, simul et Honoris publici Monu- 
mentum posuit Gulielnms Draper. 


K ELI ABLE (3"^'^ 




J. C. IL 

The strictures of 

J, C. J. on the new-ccined word " reliable^ arc 
more confident than convincing. 

As I have not had the advantage of seeing what 
he may have previously Avritten on the subject, I 
cannot judge whether he has shown that it is " a 
mistake to consider the terminations -ble and 
-able equivalent to Passive Infinitives,'' but as the 
word under discussion is intended by those who 
employ it to come under that rule, thiii is imma- 
terial. The objection to its construction is ob- 
it expresses only " to be relied," whilst 
it is meant to express "to be relied upon.'' It 
may possibly be that other words in common use 
have an equally defective formation, but that is 
no justification for encumbering the language 
with more of such awkwardnesses. '' Depend- 


able'* is, to use J. 


an '^ exactly 

corresponding word'' with reliable, which " cre- 
dible '' (to be believed) is not. 

J. C. J. maintains that the word supplies a de- 
ficiency in the language, and he rests his plea on 
the broad allegation that "trust'' and its deriva- 
tives are " properly " limited to personal applica- 
tion. I altogether demur to so arbitrary a re- 
striction. To " trust a tale," "trust his honesty," 
"trust his heels/' &c, &c., «'-'- ci..!..^^..... 


" Trustworthy" itself is not a word of great 
antiquity ; but as I consider it, till better proof 
be ofiered to the contrary, to answer every pur* 
ose for which " reliable" or " dependable" can 
e required, I must unite in the protest against 
the intrusion of adjectives 


Scarce half made up, 

And that so lamely and unfashionably ; " 

and it is a satisfaction to me to observe that the 
use of " reliable " is hitherto confined to a class 
of writers little likely to influence aspirants to a 


pure English diction. 


) — I have amongst 

my books a large-paper copy of the first edition 
of Cambria Tritimphans, by Percy Enderbie, 
which was once the property of Fabian Philipps, 
the author of Veritas In 


tograph on the title-page. One hundred and two 
years after its publication, the book became the 
property of Lewis Morris, the antiquary ^ whose 
autograph, with the date 1753, is also on the title- 
page. On one of the fly-leaves is the following 
note : 

" This copy of Cambria Triamplians belonged to that 
distmguished antiquary, Lewis Morris ; the marginal 
notes are in his own handwriting. This book was given 
to mc by his son William IMorris, of Gwaelod, near 
Aberystwith, Cardiganshire, S. W. — Robt F. Greville'^ 

This very rare book passed into my hands after 
the dispersion of the library of the Hon. Robert 

Greville about 

two years ago. 

I wish that I 

could afford IL IL more information on the sub* 
ject of Lewis Morris ; but I have shown that, not 
many years ago, he had a son living at Gwaelod, 

who is perhaps yet alive. 

John Pavin Phiixips. 


vide Shakspeare, 

i J 

•' I* He might in isome great and trusty 
danger fail you."— ^// « Well that Em 


business In a main 

f« mil. - 

Socrates' Dog (S'"* S. iv. 475.) — G. 11. J. will 
find the following in Bryant's MjjtJiologT/^ vol. ii. 

p. 34 : 

** It is said of Socrates that he sometimes made use of 

an imcommon oath, fxa rhv Kvva KalTOv x^l^^-t ^y ^h^ dog 
awe? 70056, which at first does not seem consistent with 
the gravity of his character. But we are informed by 
Porphyry, that this was not done b}' way of ridicule: for 
Socrates esteemed it a very serious and religious mode of 
attestation ; and under these terms made a solemn appeal 
to the son of Zeus.^^ 

Thus far the learned Bryant ; what reference 
the oath has to Bible matters, I cannot now dis- 
cuss ; but Daniel, xii. 1, has reference to it.* 


* t 

-And at that time Dhall Michael sUnd wp/' &c/ 



[S'-d S. V. Jan. 23, '64. 



Tfie Psalms interpreted of Christ. By the Rev. Isaac Wil- 
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Those of our readers who are acquainted with Mr. 
Williams's volumes on the Gospels, will know what to ex- 
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the same accumulation of patristic learning, the same 
devotion to the very letter of Holy Scripture, the same 
vein of kindly thoughtful piety. Mr. Williams (as might 
be expected) adopts that sj^stem of interpretation, which 
supposes all the Psalms of David to be spoken in the 
person of Christ, which St. Augustine has worked out in 
his Eniirratlones, and with which English readers have 
l)een fimiliarised by the Exposition of Bishop Home. It 
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rude trenchant spirit of modern criticism. 

Ahwandri Necham Dc Naturis Reram Llhri Duo. JVith 
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and Ireland during the Middle Ages, now publishing 
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in Xeckam's Treatise De Naturis Rerumy with 



manual of the scientific knowledge of the close of the 
twelfth century, made yet more interesting and instruc- 
tive by the contemporary anecdotes so freely introduced 
by its author. Alexander Neckham, for so was the au- 
thor of the two documents now first published generally 
designated, was foster-brother of Richard Coeur de Lion, 
having been, moreover, born on the same day in the 
month of September, 1157. He was educated at St. Albans, 
then became a distinguished professor at Paris, and after- 
wards, according to Mr, Wright (p. xii.), proceeded to 
Italy, though that gentleman seems subsequently (p. 
Ixxiv.) to doubt such visit. Neckani eventually became 
Abbot of Cirencester, and, dying at Kempsey in 1217, 
was buried in Worcester Cathedral. Mr. Wright's in- 
timate knowledge of Mcdia3val Literature and Science, 
pointed him out as a htting editor for this very curious 
Mediaeval Encyclopaedia. 

The Divine Weeh ; 07% Outlines of a Harmony of the Geo- 

Rev. J. II. Worgan, M.A. (Rivingtons.) 

By the 

^Mr.Worgan's title sufHciently explains the subject of 
his work and the method by which (in his judgment) 
the Mosaic Account of the Creation is best squared with 
the discoveries of geology. Instead of understanding 
the sacred writer to be describing the preparation of the 
globe for man, its present highest occupant, and to ignore 
(as not coming within the compass of his design) the 
previous revolutions which it had experienced — a view 
adopted by the late Dr. Buckland— our author maintains 
the theory which at one time found favour with the late 
Hugh Miller, that the Mosaic Narrative exactly covers 
the geological period, each " day " coinciding with some 
well-marked epoch in the formation of the crust of our 

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Beneath an arch cut in the wall which separates 
the Elder Lady Chapel from the north aisle of 
Bristol Cathedral is an altar tomb, which is usu- 
ally ascribed to Robert Fitz- Harding, the founder 
of the Berkeley family, and Eva his wife. Mr. 
Britton, however, says {Bristol Cathedral, p. 57), 
it ^" may with more certainty be referred to the 
third Maurice, Lord Berkeley, who died in 1368, 
and Elizabeth his wife." Both of which statements 
are, I believe, incorrect. 

At the foot of this tomb is a modern inscription 
on a plain marble tablet, which records that it is 

" The Monument of Robert Fitz-Harding, Lord of 
Berkeley, descended from the Kings of Denmark; and 
Eva Ins wife, by whom he had five Sons and two Daugh- 
ters: Maurice, his eldest Son, was the first of this Family 
gat tooK the Name of Berkeley : This Robert Fitz- 
Harding laid the Foundation of this Church, and Monas- 
tery of St. Augustine, in the yelr 1140, the fifth of Kin^ 
btephen ; dedicated and Endowed it in 1 148. He died iu 
the year 1170, in the 17th of King Henry the Second." 

* On the summit of this tomb repose the effi^^ies 
Of a male and female ; the foririer habited in ^the 
mixefi armour of the fourteenth centyry, and the 
latter m the female attire of the same period. 

From this circumstance it is clear that these 
figures could not be intended to represent Robert 
Fitz-Harding and his lady, who flourished two 
centuries before; and it will appear also upon 
examination that it is equally incorrect to appro- 
priate them to a warrior who died in 1368, and his 

The head of the male figure is covered with a 
conical skull-cap or helmet which is attached to 
a hawberk or tippet of mail by an interlaced cord. 
Chain mail also appears on the lower part of the 
body and the feet ; but the upper portion, as well 
as the front of the arms and legs, are covered 
with plate armour. This kind of mixed body- 
armour was introduced in the reign of Edward 
II., who ascended the throne in 1307. The dress 
of the female effigy also refers to the same period 

namely, the beginning of the fourteenth cen- 
tury, when the attire of ladies of rank was com- 
posed of the coif, hood, or veil, and wimple 
covering the head, neck, and chin; whilst the 
body was enveloped in a long loose robe, over 
which was worn a cloak or mantle. This fashion 
appears to have changed early in the reign of Ed- 
ward III., who succeeded his father in 1327, when 
the loose dress was superseded by the tight- bodied 
gown conforming to the shape of the person. 

These particulars clearly decide the age of this 
monument, and fixes the date of its erection at 
the commencement of the reiirn of the last-named 
monarch. If additiomd evidence were required, 
we find it in the tomb itself on which these effigies 
repose, for the sides are embellished with a series 
of recessed canopied niches and buttresses, of a 
style clearly indicating that the monument be- 
longs to the same period as the figures 
upon it. 

A comparatively recent Inscription on a small 
brass plate, on the south side of this tomb, record.^ 



that it " was erected to the memory of Maurice, 
Lord Berkeley, ninth Baron, of Berkeley Castle, 
who died the 8th day of June, 13G8. Also of the 
Lady Margaret, his mother, daughter 

of Roger 


Mortimer, Earl of March, and first wife of Thomas, 
eighth Lord Berkeley. She died the 5th day of 
May, 1337." Why a female should in this case 
be represented on a tomb by the side of a man 
who was the husband of another, it is difficult to 
conceive. Mr. Britton is assuredly wrong In as- 
signing these effigies to so late a period as 1368, 
when the fourth^ and not as he says, the third 
Maurice, Lord Berkeley, died; for the attire of 
both figures is too early for that date. The tliird 
Maurice, Lord Berkeley, died in 1326. He was 
twice married, his first wife being buried at Port- 
bury, a. manor belonging to the family, about seven 
miles from this city, and in the county of Somer- 
set; but his second wife, who was Isabel, daugh- 
ter of Gilbert dfe Clare, whose arms appear over 
the high altar of the church, is, I have no doubt, 



[B^^ S. V. Jan, 




On a chantry tomb in the Newton Chapel also 
in the cathedral, is the following inscription, 

-which was placed there " by Mrs, Archer, sister ^ i i . - 

to the late Sir Michael Newton of Barrs Court, from the neck by narrow bands, passing over the 

On the left side of the judge lie the effigies of a 
slender female habited in a flowing robe, reach- 
ing to the feet ; but to the upper part of the per- 
son it fits tight down to the wrists, where it is 
laced, leaving however the breasts exposed. Over 
this is another robe reaching to the knees, and 
terminating: with a broad hem ; it is suspended 


*' la memory of Sir liichard Newton Cradock of Barrs 
Court, in the County of Gloucester, one of his Majesties 
Justices of the Common Pleas, who died December the 
13th, 1444, and with his Lady lies interred beneath this 

The above inscription remained undisputed by 
any writer until the meeting of the Archa3ological 
Institute for 1851 was held in this city, when, in 



F.S.A., the statement it contains was completely 
refuted. It was there shown that, although its 
erection '' may have been to the memory of a Cra- 
dock, the notion that the judge was buried there 
must have arisen from some misapprehension, and 
it is not true that he died in 1444 ; (for) the last 
fine levied before him was in Xovember, 1448." 

Mr. Ellacombe then proceeds " to prove, be- 
yond a doubt, that Judge Cradock and his lady 
rest in Yatton church, Somerset;" where, in the 
centre of the De Wyck Aisle, or north transept, 
stands a very handsome alabaster altar tomb. Its 
sides are enriched with five beautifully-wrouf>-ht 
niches, within which are full-length fi^rures of 


of So 



ich Collinson says (Hist 
619), were once charged 

with Perrott; but they are now almost entirely 
obliterated. The east and west ends of the tomb 
have each two niches, with figures and shields 


On the 

summit, the venerable judge is represented in the 
costume of men of his rank at the time in which 
he lived 



with a robe reaching to his feet ; over his shoulders 
he wears a tippet extending halfway down his 
arms. Covering all is a cloak or mantle, falling- 
nearly to the ankles. This is fastened on the 
right shoulder by a button, and beneath it round 
the neck is a collar of esses. This cloak han^s 
gracefully on the left side, and is passed over 
the left arm after the manner of the chesible 
on that of ecclesiastics. Round the middle is an 
ornamental girdle, from which depends a short 
sword in an enriched scabbard; and also the 
gypciere or purse, common in the reigns of Henry 
VI. and Edward IV. The head of the judge rests 
on what appears to have been a helmet, sur- 
mounted with a wreath crowned with a ducal 
coronet, from which issues a garb, the crest of the 
family ; his feet rest against two do^a. 

having a broad 

chest, and leaving the under robe, which sits clo^e 
at the hips, exposed below the waist, which is en- 
circled with a small ornamented girdle. From a 
curb-chain round the neck was apparently sus- 
pended a ci'oss, beneath which a cord, reaching to 
the knees, terminates with small tassels. Higher up 
in the neck is an ornamental collar or band, from 
which hangs a jewel. A cloak or mantle, fastened 
across the breast by a cordon and jewels, extends 
to the feet, which it nearly envelopes. The head, 
once supported by angels, is covered with the 
mitred head-dress, the front 
turned-up lappet above the forehead, from whence 
the mitre issues. On each side at the feet is a 
small dog, and the hands of both figures are raised 
as in supplication ; but the entire monument, 
with its effigies and beautiful sculpture, is much 

"This tomb (says Mr. Ellacombe) is by tradition as- 
cribed to Judge Cradock. The female figure is supposed 
to represent Emma de Wick. The inscription is gone. 
There can be no doubt, from the costume, that the male 
Gf&gy is that of a judge. That it is a Cradock is con- 
firmed by the garb or wheat-sheaf, on which his head is 
laid. Besides, in the interesting accounts of the church- 
wardens of Yatton, anno 1450-1, among the receipts there 
is this entry : * It. recipimus de D'no de Wvke per manu' 


pimus ue jj no ae vvj^Keper 
J. Newton, filii sui de legato Dn'i Rici. Newton, ad 
Campana xx^.' 

" That this date is nearer the time of his death than 
1444, as stated on the monument in the Cathedral, is 
confirmed by the fact of the fine levied in 1448." 

Mr. Ellacombe then proceeds to give other 
reasons for his opinion, and finishes his remarks as 
follows : — 

" I conclude, therefore, that Judge Cradock's tomb is 
in Yatton Church, and that the tomb in Bristol Cathedral 
is not his. 1 have not been able to assign that tomb to 
any other of the family, unless it be to Richard Newton, 
a grandson of the judge, the time of whose death, 1500, 
would accord well with the design of the monument ; and it 
is not known where he was buried. If my view be correct, 
the circumstance of his being called Richard, after his 
grandfather, mi^ht have led to the mistake."— (Prdceec?- 



A third erroneous monumental inscription iii 






which is chiselled on a pedestal of marble, after 
the manner of the Perpendicular style of English 

architecture, beneath a bust of the poet laureatCj 
and is as follows ! 

' • 

J ^ 

3^<i S. V. Jan. 30, '64.] 



*' "Robert South ey, 

Born in Bristol 
October iv., ^idcclxxiw 

Died at Keswick, 
March xxi., mdcccxliii." 

This error is perhaps the most inexcusable of all. 
Southey himself says (Selections from his Letters^ 
vol. iv. p. 334), I was born August 12th, 1774, in 
Wine Street, Bristol, where my father kept a 
linen-draper's shop;'' and in another place he says 
that he "was born at No. 11, Wine Street, below 
the pump : " the house now occupied by Messrs. 
Low and Clark, furriers, &c. Southey's family 
seems, in its elder branch, to have " long since 

but a younger 

from Lancashire, and established himself as a 

' From 

disappeared ; 

son " emigrated 

clothier at Wellington, in Somersetshire. 
this younger son the poet derived his descent. 

The last error of the same character which I 
shall notice at present, is on a tablet erected in 
Highbury Nonconformist Chapel in this city, to 
commemorate the names of Jive sufferers, and the 
date of their martyrdom, who^ in the reign of 
Queen Mary, rather than abjure the Protestant 
faith, sealed the truth with their blood on this 
spot. The tablet records as follows : 

" In Memory 
of the undernamed 


who, during the reign of Queen Mary, 

for tlie avowal of their Christian faith, 

were burnt to death on the ground 

upon which this Chapel is erected. 

Eicliard Shapton, Richard Sharp, 

suffered Oct. 1555. Mav 17th, 1557. 



Edward Sharp, 
Sept. 8th, 1556. 

Thomas Hale, 
May 17th, 1557. 

Thomas Banion, 

August 17th, 1557. 

* Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after 

that have no more that they can do.' " 

The error on this tablet is in the numher of the 
sufferers, and not in the fact; and it occurs in 
the names of the first two martyrs there men- 
tioned, the mistake resting with Mr. Seyer, the 
author of the Memoirs of Bristol^ who perpetually, 
throughout his work, quotes the dubious manu- 
script calendars relating to this city, which I have 
before shown were, according to his own testi- 
mony, utterly unworthy of credit (2°^ S. v. 154). 

One of these records (says Mr. Seyer) contains 
the following : 

"1555. On the 17th of October, one William Shepton 
(^alias Shapman, alias Shapen), a weaver, was burnt for 

Another calendar (he continues) is thus : 

"1556. This year two men, one a weaver, the other a 
cobbler, were burnt at St. Michael's Hill for religion. 
And (it is added) a sheerman was bnrnt for denying the 
sacrament of the altar to be the very body and blood of 
Christ really and substantially." '»*Mi t>H 

. : Docs he then mean to say there were three ? 
He then cites a third of these mischievous calen- 

dars, in which the name of Edward Sharpe occurs, 
and this, I have no doubt, has caused the error 
referred to : for there is no mention whatever of 
such a person having suffered martyrdom in Bris- 
tol by any writer deserving the name of an autho- 
rity. In the best edition of Fox's Martyrs — that 
of 1646— /owr only are recorded, namely, William 
Sarton, who was burnt September 18, 1556 ; 
Richard Sharp, May 7, 1557 ; Thomas Hale, 
burnt in the same fire with Richard Sharp, and 
Thomas Benion, who suffered on the 27th of the 
same month and year. {Acts and Monuments^ vol. 
ill. pp. 749, 750, 855.) George Pryce. 

Bristol City Library. 


Many are of opinion that Milton's well-known 
similitude of English history, prior to the ac- 
cession of Henry VH., applies better to the 
early state of Ireland than to his own country. 
Notwithstanding, however, the deliberate judg- 
ment of so eminent an authority in the one case, 
and its very ready acceptance by the multitude in 
the other, I fully concur with your correspondent, 
Mr. Geo, Hill, that the history of the Conquest 
or " Plantation " of Ulster, in the sixteenth century, 
is deserving of more extended treatment than it 
has hitherto received at the hands of the professed 
historian, more particularly in our own time. 



cessors in the land of St. Patrick, can be discussed 
by all sincere loyalists and lovers of truth and 
justice, as well there as here, without any danger 
of rekindling the extinct fires of national bigotry. 
In the lapse of three centuries, the angularities of 
the Celtic and Saxon natures respectively have 
been rounded off, old fjictious rivalries have ceased, 
and, under themore benign sway ofour present most 
excellent sovereign, the two peoples have become 
one indeed, cherishing the same loyal sentiments, 
the same political aspirations. The experience of 
the Past is the property of both, and both may 
deduce from it, if they will, many invaluable les- 
sons for the Present and Future. But this, by- 

the-way. My 
supplement the 

some measure, to 
Mr. Hill (vide 

) I do not pretend to have studied so 
deeply the various incidents of the sanguinary 
struggle in Ulster, in the beginning of Elizabeth's 
reign, as that gentleman has done; but when in- 
vestigating, some months ago, the early career of 
Sir Francis Drake, I had occasion to consult 
sundry documents and correspondence of the 
period bearing upon it, which are preserved in the 
State Paper Office. That labour resulted in the 
discovery (or that which is tantamount to it) of a 
very interesting passage in the life of the admiral. 



[S^d S^ V, Jan. 3(V 

After Ills successful voyage to the West Indies 

in 1572, Drake, in the followinij year, joined the 
standard of Walter Earl of Essex, when that 
easily-gulled courtier was moved to undertake 
his quixotic expedition to " the gall and nursery 
of all evil men in Ireland," as in one of his de- 
spatclies thence to the Lord Treasurer, he desig- 
nated Ulster, the scene of his exploits.* Ostensibly 
his object was "to rid her majesty's subjects of 



Antrim), the ancient terrii 
scendants of the princes of Tyrone; which, after its 
conquest, the too confident adventurer proposed to 
divide amongst the most distin^ruished of his fol- 
lowers. This pretty little scheme of spoliation 
was patronised by, if it did not originate with, the 
queen, and was finally brought to bear by the in- 
tervention of Leicester, who only desired to banish 
his rival from the court. It generally happened, 
whenever Elizabeth condescended to participate 
with any of her subjects in speculations of a pecu- 
niary or political nature that she got the best of the 
bargain, and such was the case in the present in- 
stance. She bestowed upon Essex two birds in 
the bush for the one which he placed in her hands. 
In other words, the earl was compelled to surrender 
fifteen of his manors in England for the possible 
acquisition of half a county in Ireland, Amongst 
his followers were, besides Drake, the Lords Dacre 
and Rich, Sir H. Knollys and his four brothers, 
and three of the ''black" sons of Lord Norreys. 

According to all the published biographies of 
Drake, the fact of his service in Ireland, between 
the years 1573-1575, is known only by tradition. 
It has been said that he fitted out, at his own ex- 
pence, 'Hhree frigates" (or r^Lthov fngols, a very 
different class of vessel to our frigate, which was 
not introduced Into the royal navy until at least a 


he rendered material 

aid to the filibustering cause ; but in what parti- 
cular way, or in what particular place, had passed 
out of remembrance. The facts which I have dis- 
interred from the national archives show, that he 
was commissioned for the service by the queen, and 
that he commanded the squadron which conveyed 
Essex and his force, comprising 1200 horse and 
foot, to the scene of their adventure. He landed 
them at Carrickfergus in the last week of August, 
1573. His own ship, called the " Falcon," was 

probably a hired one, as 

If so, 

the duty of selecting them had devolved upon 
himself, and hence the tradition " " " " 
plied them at his own cost. 

of ms navmg sup- 


he was persistently thwarted by a jealous Lord- 


by his 
and how, in fine, be 

Essex to Burghlej, 23 June, IS 
T Vide bis Reclamation, 20 Sept 


was crushed to death by an ever-increasing weight 
of disappointment, sorrow, and anguish, are mat- 
ters too well known to need recapitulation in this 
place. The only real success he could boast of, in 
his Irish campaign, was the surprisal and reduction 
of the island of Rathlin — a service in which he 
had no personal share. It was effected by 


, ^ Dr^ke 

B 1 

and John Norreys. ^ ,, 

Of the early history of Rathlin or Raghery* 1 

know very little, beyond the fact that, from a very 

remote period, it served for a stepping-stone to 

the Scots, 




dustrious compiler, Mr. Rowley Lascelles, ex- 








It lies about five miles off the northerri 

coast of Antrim, immediately opposite to Bally^' 
castle. Its shape is that of an acute angle> of 
which the upper or horizontal line extends (ac- 

:he Ordnance survey) 

or perpendicular 

Access to its shores is, I believe, at all times dif- 
ficult, so many shoals encompassing them ; and, 
owinij to a very singular and violent conflictioii 

known locally as the " Sloghna- 

the lower 

line three miles. 





or gulp of the sea, it is sometimes ex- 
ceedingly dangerous, if not altogether imprac- 
ticable. The Kinramer, or western end of the 
isle, is craggy and mountainous, and the coast 
destitute of a harbour ; but the Ushet, or eastern 
end, is more level and fertile, besides being sup- 
plied with several small ports. 

At the time when Essex resolved to surprise 
it, the island was subject to Sorley Boy, or 
Somhairle M'Donnel (voungest son of Alexander 
M'Donnel, quondam Lord of the Isles) 


nel, possessed himself of it, asstiming iit the same 
time the chieftainship of the Irish- Scots, and 
seizing upon the person of his nephew, the son 
of his deceased brother, whom he detained there 

pledge ** 


an hostage. 

This captive is 




exempted from butchery by hf^ 





want of provisions, although it was the 
height of summer, obliged Essex to break up hfs 
camp, which was then in the vicinity of Carrick- 
fergus, and betake himself to the Pale/' ::Before 


charge of John Norreys. Its safi 
insured by the presence of Drake, 
before intimated, Essex took no oe 



. JL. , , , 



i - 

1 -r-^* 


♦ I have read somewhere, that the name of the island 
has suffered so many variations in its orthography as 
renders it now impossible to determine what may be the 
most proper. From the days of Pliny to our own, it has 

been spelled in ten or a dozen different waysr.' ; 'Vfdt vll 

a^d S. V. Jan. 30, '64.] 



tails originated with, and were perfected by him- 
self. The whole shows that he was not deficient 
in military sagacity or skill. In his despatch to 
Elizabeth he says : 

"I thought good to leese^no opportunity that might 
serve to the annoying of the Scot (against whom only I 
have now to make war), and finding it a thing very 
necessary to leave a good garrison at Carigfergus, for that 
purpose I appointed CCC footmen and iiij^^ horsemen to 
reside there, under the rule of Capt. John Xorroyce, to 
whom I gave a secret charge, that having at Carigfergus 
the three frigates, and wind and weather serving, to 
confer with the captains of them, and on the sudden to 
set out for the taking of the island of the Raughliens 
(with care in their absence to leave a sufficient guard for 
the keeping of the town of Carigfergus) ; and when I 
had given this direction (to make the Scots less sus- 
picious of an}^ such matter pretended), I withdrew myself 
towards the Pale, and Capt, Norryce with his company 
to Carigfergus, with my letters of direction unto the 


of the three frigates, which he found there ready 

assenting to the 

for my service." * 

Norreys, accordingly, on the departure of his 
chief, took counsel with Drake, Potter, and Syday, 
"the captains of the three frigates," who, readily 

practicability of the proposed 
scheme, concluded to take it in hand at once. 
They collected all the small boats belonging to 
the town, which would suffice for transports, and 
on July 20th, the expedition got under weigh 
from Carrickfergus. It is not added what number 
of men was told off for this service. Owing to 
the variableness of the winds the fleet, when at 
sea, parted company, and nearly three days were 
consumed in making the island. No other incon- 
venience, excepting the loss of time, resulted from 



(says Essex) 

themselves, that they met at the landing-place of 

the Raughliens the xxij day in the morning at 

instant." The spot chosen for the debarca- 


tion of the troops was probably in Church Bay. 

The islanders, perceiving the tardy approach of 
the English, and fully comprehending their object, 
had ample time to prepare for resistance. They 
drew up all their forces on the beach, every foot 
of which they obstinately contested ; but 


at length overpowered by the invaders, they fled, 
panic-stricken, " to a castle which they had, of 
very great strength," where, outstripping their 
pursuers, they shut themselves in. The castle 
referred to hy the Earl was probably that which 
bore the name of the Bruc:\ from the fact of his 
having found 

1306, when driven' out of Scotland by Baliol. 
The foundations of it are still visible in the north- 
eastern corner of the island. 

The English proceeded to. invest the place, and, 
after much hard fighting, in which several- fell 

an asylum there, in the winter of 

on either 



• Irish Cor. S. P. O. 


* 1 

K>\^ >' 

to capitulate, almost unconditionally. Only the 
lives of the *' Constable," and of his wife and 
child, were guaranteed ; " all the rest were to 
stand on the curtesy'' of the victors. What fol- 
lowed is best described in the languajje of Essex : 

" The soldiers being moved and much stirred with the 
loss of their fellows, which were slayne, and desirous of 
revenge, made request, or rather pressed to have the 
killing of them, which they did all, saving the persons 
to whom life was promised, and a pledge w^hich was 
prisoner in the castle was also saved, w^ho is son to Alex- 
ander Og M'Alyster Harry. . . . There were slayn that 
come out of the Castle, of all sorts, CC ; and presently 
news is brought me, out of Tyrone, that they be occupied 
still in killing, and have slayn [all] that they have 
found hidden in caves and in cliffs of the sea, to the 
number of CCC^^^ more." 

Deteriores armies sumus licentid ! For myself, I 
am thankful to have lived in the age of Mormon 
and Zadkiel, instead of in that of Bacon and 

The spoil taken in the island amounted to 4000 
sheep, 300 kine, 200 stud mares, and sufficient 
" beer-corn '' to supply 300 men for a whole year, 
besides other more valuable household property. 

If ferocious to his enemies, Essex was grateful 
to his friends, more especially to the conquerors 

of Rathlin. 

In beseeching the queen to 


them with a letter of thanks for their services, he 
assures her majesty that, '' both for captains and 
soldiers, there is no prince in Christendom can 
have better, nor more willing minds to serve her '' 
than these. He reiterated this request to the 
lords of the Council, as well as to Walsingham, to 
whom, in a private communication, he adds in a 

** I do understand this day by a spy, coming from 
Sorleboy's camp, that upon my late journey made against 
him, he then put most of his plate, most of his children, 
and the children of the most part of his gentlemen with 
him, and their wives into the Raughliens, which be all 
taken and executed, as the spy saith, and in all to the 
number of vjC^^. Sorley then also stood upon the main- 
land of the Glynns, and saw the taking of the island, and 
was likely to run mad for sorrow (as the spy saith), 
tearing and tormenting himself, and saying, that he then 
lost all that ever he had." 

"As the spy saith,'' — twice repeated! Let us 
flatter ourselves with the idea, that the writer's 
humanity was slightly touched — that he was har- 
bouring an agreeable suspicion that some, if not 
all, of these helpless women and children had 
escaped from the swords of his fiendish soldiery. 

Essex set great store by his conquest of Rath- 
lin : it was the only fruit of his costly labours in 


MSS. in the British 


Museum, there is one (Titus, B. xii. f. ■ 
entitled " The Earle of Essex' l)eclaracon in 

Estate he founde Ulster at his arrival there, 
how he left it at his comeing awaye." The Earl 
remarks therein, inter alia^ " when I was dis* 
charged, I left the Raughliens in her maj^^* pos- 




as the best 



in my opinion, to 



[Sfd S. V. Jan. 30, '64. 

banish the Scot." He is asked (p 



hley) : " What is meant to be done with the 
isle of Ruughliens ; and how may it be recovered 
and kept ; and what profit may grow thereby ? "" 
To which Essex replies : " A fortification in the 
Raughliens, with a sufficient force to resist their 
landmg at the first, is the most requisite ; within 
short space [it] will bear the charge with a gain." 
Of the subsequent fortunes of the island, I know 




[no. III. J 

The Revolution introduces us to the great 
Lord Somers ; who, soon after he was appointed 
Lord Keeper of the Great Seal, removed from 
the Temple to Powis House, in Lincoln's Lin 
Fields. This house Kino^ AVilliam determined 
should be for ever appropriated to the use of the 
Chancellor or Keeper. It v/as, therefore, pur- 
chased by the government, in 1696, for that pur- 
pose; and Lord Somers, and his successor Sir 
Nathan Wright, both remained in it while they 
held the ofBce. 


Lord Cowper, during his first Chancellorship in 
,ieen Anne's reign, also resided in the same 
house, as also did his successor Lord Harcourt ; 
but before Lord Cowper's second Chancellorship, 
in the beginning of the reign of George I., the 
house had come into the possession of the Duke 
of Newcastle, and was thenceforward called New- 
castle House. It still exists, and forms the north- 
west angle of Lincoln's Inn Fields, leading into 


Street. After leaving this house, 

Lord Cowper removed to Great George Street, 

I am not certain where Sir Thomas Parker, the 
unfortunate Earl of jMacclesfield, resided while he 
was Lord Chancellor of George I. ; but he was at 
the time of his death 

building a house in St. 

James's Square; and he died, in 1732, in his son's 
house in Soho S([uare. 

Of George II.'s first Chancellor, Peter, Lord 
King, I do not know the town residence. His 
second Chancellor, Charles, Lord Talbot, lived 
and died in Lincoln's Inn Fields, but in what 
house is not stated. His third Chancellor, Philip, 
Lord Hardwicke, who held the Great Seal nearly 
twenty years, died seven years after his resigna- 
tion in a house so far west as Grosvenor Square ; 
but his residence, while he was in office, was in 


Great Ormond 

the site of which is now occupied bj Powis Place. 
Of the numerous Chancellors of George IIL, 
I do not know the official residences of Hobert 
Henley, Earl of Northington, nor of Charles 
Pratt, Lord Camden ; but the latter died at his 
house in Hill Street, Berkeley Square, in 1794, 


gration to the west had become common. ; 

Henry Bathurst, Lord Apsley and Earl of Ba- 
thurst, on receiving the Great Seal, resided in Dean 
Street, Soho ; but afterwards built Apsley House, 
in Piccadillv. now the residence of the Duke of 



For the town residences of the Hon. Charles 
Yorke, of Edward, Lord Thurlow, of Alexander, 
Lord Loughborough, and of some others with 
which I am unacquainted, I must rely upon your 
numerous correspondents. 

John Scott, Earl of Eldon, resided when Lord 
Chancellor, at first in Bedford Square, and then 
in Hamilton Place, Piccadilly. 

Thomas Erskine, Lord Erskine, during the brief 
period in which he held the Great Seal, resided 
on the south side of Lincoln's Inn Fields, in the 
house afterwards occupied by the Verulam Club. 

John Singleton Copley, Lord Lyndhurst — Lord 

Chancellor to three sovereigns, 
liam IV., and our present Q 

IV., Wil 

died the other 


L ^ 

day (as we all have cause to lament) at the patri- 
archal age of ninety-two, in the house in George 
Street, Hanover Square, which he occupied while 

in office. 

Lord Brougham's residence while Lord Chan- 

.m IV., was in Grafton Street, New 
Bond Street. 

With regard to Queen Victoria's Chancellors, I 
require information as to the residences of the 
Earl of Cottenham, Lord Truro, and Lord St. 
Leonard's, while in office ; but they were all in 
the west. 

Grosvenor Square. 

Upper Brooke Street 

Lord Chelmsford's house was, and is, in Eaton 
Lord Campbell carried the Seal as far south- 

west as Stratheden 

House, K..-^ 


the present Chancellor, Lord Westbury, lives at 
much the same distance north-west, in Hyde 
Park Gardens, Bayswater Road. 

Having thus shown the migration of these legal 
functionaries from one extreme to the other, I 
hope some of your correspondents will supply you 
with the progress of fashion which has led other 
classes and professions from the east to the west. 
And I shall be obliged by any additions to, or 
corrections of, the details which I have offered 

you. Edward Foss. 




( '' 

and biographers concerning the time and place of 

Henry Carey's Dragon of Wt 


mock opera of Pyramus and Thishe^ is conceived 


• S'-d S. V. Jan. 30, '64.] 






in the true spirit of burlesque,) are very contra- do not recollect of having ever met 





notice of a work now before me, which I should 

Hawkins (History of Music, London, 1776, v. imagine to be unparalleled in the annals of such 
371), says ^'Larnpe died in London about twenty trilling. 

years ago 

Burney (History of Music^ iv. 672, 

I subjoin its title, verbatim : 

London, 1789,) tells us that Lampe, " quitting ^^ jani De Bisschop Chorus Musarum, id est, Elogia, 
London In 1749, resided two years at Dublin ; Poemata, Epigrammata, Echo, /Enigmata, Ludus Foeti- 

and in 1750 went to Edinburgh, where he settled, cus, Ars Hermctica, &c. Lugduni Batavorum, 

very much to the satisfaction of the patrons of 
music in that city, and of himself; but in July, 
1751, he was seized with a fever which put an 
end to his existence at the age of fifty-nine. 

Ex Officina 

J oh: Du Vivie, 

rjoh: J 
ina < 

I Is: i 




Severini J 

_ _ _ „ _ The volume, a stout small 8vo of 434 pages. 

This statement ilrepeated, in "nearly the same I commences— after two dedications, one of them to 
words, in the article ^' Lampe" in Rees's Cyclo- \ Cornelius De Witte, Baro de Ruiter 
pcedia (also written by Burney), the date 1748, 


1 a 

however, being substituted for 1749. The ac- 
count £riven in Burney's History is copied in 

Gerber's Lexicon der TonJiilnstler (iii. 166, Leip- 

1813), and in Schilling's Lexicon der Ton- 


scries of eloiiia on different members of the De 

Must (iv. 312, Stuttgart, 1837). The Dictionary 
of Musicians (London, 1824,) states that "Lampe 
died in London in the year 1751 ;" and Fetis 
(Biographie des Musiciens, Brussels, 1840, vi. 34), 

says, " II mourut en 1756. 

The General Advertiser^ London newspaper, of 
Thursday, September 12, 1751, has the following 

raph : 

" By letters from Edinburgh, we have the following 
inscription, taken from the monument of Mr. Lampe, the 
celebrated Master of Musick, who lately died there ; 

" ^ Here lie the mortal Remains of John Frederick 
Lampe, whose harmonious Compositions shall outlast 
monumental Registers, and with melodious Notes through 
future Ages perpetuate his Fame, 'till Time shall sink 
into Eternity. His Taste for moral Harmony appeared 
through all his Conduct. He was a most loving Hus- 
band, an affectionate Father, Friend, and Companion. 
On the 25th Day of July, 1751, in the 48th Year of his 
Age, he was summoned to join that heavenly Concert 
with the blessed Choir above, where his virtuous Soul 

now enjoys that Harmony which was his chief Delight 
upon Earth.' " 

It is curious (supposinf; this inscription to be 
accurate) that the statements of all Lampe's bio- 
graphers should be more or less tainted with 
error : Burney, whose account in other respects 
13 correct, erring with respect to the deceased's age. 

Can any of your readers inform us in what 
church, churchyard, or other place of sepulture 
in the Scottish metropolis, Lampe's remains rest ? 
What is the character of his monument, if exist- 
ing ? And whether the copy of the inscription, 
given in the General Advertise?^ is correct or 
not? W. H. Husk. 



The pages of " N. & Q." have" repeatedly con- 
tained specimens of Palindromical verses and 

other kinds of misdirected literary labour ; but I 

Ruiter family. 


the Birth-day of 

poem on 
William III. and others on the Praise of Amster- 
dam, the Fire of London, &c. succeed. Next 
in order are the Epigrams, occupying nearly 160 
pages, and for the most part wofuUy deficient in 
point, all at least I have had patience to read. 
Here is one of the best : 



" Parvus eras, nee Erasmus eras mus, dictus Erasmus, 
Die age, si Sum mus, tunc quoque suminus ero." 

The next division of the work, and th*e first 
wliich is characteristic of it — entitled Ludus 



with a Palindromical poem 

apparently, however, not written by Bisschop, as 
it is termed Melos retrogradum ayuwarov. 

This composition extends to no less than sixty 
lines, but the first six will probably be enough for 
the readers of " N. & Q." 

*' Sumere tironem si vis, me novit eremus : 
Jurem non animo, nomina non merui. 
Aspice : nam raro mittit timor arma, nee ipsa, 

Si se mente reget, non tegeret Nemesis. 
Me turn animat recte, me dem, et certamina mutem, 
Si res una velit utile, vanus eris." 

It will be observed that each line may be made 
the same syllabically, whether read from right to 
left, or vice versa. 

Next in order is a poem. In Natalem Christie 
extending to eighteen lines, and constructed on a 
model which will be best understood by a speci- 
men : — 

** Magne puelle, jaces lecto, te stringit egestas; 
Agne tenelle, taces tecto, me cingit honestas. 
iEthera pax spernit, dux majestate tremenda: 
Sidera fax cernit, lux libertate verenda." 

Various classes of similar verses succeed, which 
I shall name in order, giving a specimen of each. 

" Concordantes Versus. 




quas obruit 



quod temperat 

Correlativi 'Tersiis. 

Praedator, miles, lictor, neco, saucio, macto, 

Plebem, hostem, furem, fraudibus, ense, cruce. 
Sic legito prcccederifes versiculos : pr(Bdator neco pkhe 



[3'd S, V. Jan. 80, '64; 

fraudibus: miles saucio hostem ense; lictor macto furem 


Scalaris gradatio. 
Sol solus solidat solamina sollicitorum 
Sollicitatorum sollicitudinibus. 

Gigantei Versus. 
" Terrificaverunt Otthomannopolitanos 
Intempestivis anxietudinibus. 
Debellaverunt Gratianopolitanos, 
Terriculamentis, Carlomontesii. 
Depugnaveruut Constantinopolitani, ^ 
Opprobramentis illachrymabilibus/' 

Versus recurreates seu reciprocU exlieroico Pentametrum 

"Agros cultor arc non pigra sedulitate. 
Sedulitate pigra nou aro cultor agros 


LitercB Ketrogradcc, 

—This is a letter regarding 

a young man to his father, which, read from the 

beginning, expresses praise, 

(the punctuation at the same time being slightly 

altered), censure. One sentence, forming about 

ont^-fifrli of the whole, will suffice 

^ 1 

and, from the end 


'* Pater, filius tuns frugi vivit, nee precioslus tempus, 
et pecuniam dilapidat; frequentandis identidem templis 
et gymnasiis, nou compotationibus, comessationibus, ve- 
natui, aleis, ludis operam dat. Vice versa, 

*' Dat operam ludis, aleis, venatui, comessationibus, 
compotationibus, nou gymnasiis et templis identidem fre- 
quentandis: dilapidat pecuniam et tempus preciosius, nee 
vivit frugi tuus filius, pater.'* 

Lus7is in literci A, Lans Gulielmi Ill.y Sfc. 

" Agglomerata acics, addensans agminis alas, 
Advolat auxih'is, arvoque affulget aperto; 
Auriacusque ardens animis, animosior arte, 
Auctoratus adest, arm a aureus, aureus arma 
Adfremit ; auratis armis accingitnr armos." 

And so on for thirty-three lines more. 

Echo in Ignaticolas. — This is a long poetical 
invective against the followers of Ignatius Loyola, 
extending to fifty-two pages, and containing many 
references to notorious members of the order and 
their nefarious doings. Each line ends with an 
" echo," thus 

" Patres, Jesu nomen sibi arrogantes, furantur, — urantur. 
Est societas superba, ftxmosa, passim invisa, orbifatalis; 

— talis. 
Patres qua&runt gloriam sui, non Deimajorem ; — o rem ! 
Ignatium, hominem militarem Deo, assimulant, 


Logogriphi. — Virtus, virus, vir, tus. 

T si sustuleris medio de nomine ; rerum 

Optima qua3 fueram, rerum tuncpessima fio. 

Mas caput est ; mea cauda petit sibi funus, et ignes." 

JEJnigmata. — Of these there are upwards of 
three hundred. We subjoin the sixty-ninth, on 
a telescope : 

" Non video ; per me facio vidisse remota : 
Extendor, minuor; manus adjuvat. Aspicis ex me 
Sidera, quae fugiunt oculos. Ego servio nautis." 

We also subj 

*' Oo papapa, ii mamama : mors rumrum erit phusphus- 
phus aeajajnus, et mimhninus vitrc rererenae: felicicici iii 
ad pammm mimiminare popopount. 

" Sic legito voce^ prcecedentes : Obis pater, ibU mater : 


■ g" * ^ ' 

mors duorum erit triumphus teternus^ et terminus vttcB ter-^ 

re?ice : feliciter iter adpatriam terminare poterunt.^* 

Among some Sententice retrogradoi, p. 414, oc- 
curs the "famous line which has 


" Sator erepo tenet opere rotas." 

It will be observed there is a slight difference 
between this version and the common one. If 
we suppose Erepo to be a proper name, 
some such meaning as this might be educed from 
this puzzling line, which it is worth noting Biss- 


(or arrests) 

{antiquum) — The planter 


"Quid est Veritas? Est vir qui adest. 
Ignatius Xaverius. Gavisi sunt vexari. 
Cornelias Jansenius. Calvini sensus in ore.'* 


]sr. &Q 

sufficient materials for forming an estimate 
of this extraordinary volume. Their astonish" 
ment will be immeasurably enhanced when they 
read the following sentence, which comprises the 
whole of a preliminary address to the reader, with 
the exception of a reference to the very numerous 
typographical errors which occur throughout the 
work : 

" Si poematum meorum fontes, ingenii tui palato sapiunt> 
addam pra^terea ferculorum delicias, quinque alia volu- 
mina, eadenijUt liic libellus, forma in octavo impritnenda; 
quorum secundum volumen erit Heroicorum poematum ; 
tertium Elegiacorum variorum plurimorum : quartum 
Elegiacoruni in Patrem Commire Jesuitam Galium, qui 
Marian Stuart^e regina) Manes consceleravit : quintum 
Lyricorum: sextum Elogiorum : septimum undecim mil- 
lium sententiarum ferenovarum; octavum Comoediarum 
ac Tragccdiarum Latinarum: nonum deuique imaginem 
secuudi s^eculi Jesuitarum/' 

The discrepancy between the general and spe- 
cific enumeration of these MS. volumes is very 
curious, and not corrected in the list of errata, 

I suspect the work is rare. Besides my own 
copy, I have only traced it in three Catalogues 
one of these that of Dr. Parr's Library, where it 
occurs under the head of " Recentiores Poetici, 
Satirici, Faceti, &c," ISTo note appears to have 
been found in Dr. Parr's copy, but I may quote 
what he says of the whole class in which he bad 

and that 


placed it : " Most of them very rare, and 
expensive ; all expensive except one, 
not a very cheap one." 

Should any of the readers of " IsT. & Q." desire 
to see some further specimens of Bisschop's la- 
bours, I shall be happy to transmit a few for in- 

sertion in its pages. 


J. D. 

Esquire. — I have just found the following 
among some papers, which may be interesting to 

N. & Q 

■A \ 

sions, three vinegar- makers indicted certain thieves for a 



, J 




. i 

S'd S. V; Jan. 30, '64. ] 



robbery, and called themselves Esquires in the indict- 
ment. In proving the case they proved themselves to be 
vinegar-makers, and the witnesses who swore to that 
fact, were cross-examined at length as to the fact of their 
being esquires, which they negatived. On this. Counsel- 
lor Ludlow took an objection to the indictment on the 
ground of misdescription, which was fully argued. He 
said, that if the culprits were convicted on such an in- 
dictment, they might be indicted at a future time for 
the same offence by the same parties under the true de- 
signation of vinegar-makers, without being able to sup- 
port a plea of autrefois acquit, by the production of the 
first indictment. It was argued on all hands, that if a 
person be an esquire, and also a vinegar-maker, he may 
call himself by his more worthy addition ; but it was 
contended that a person who was not an esquire had no 
rigfct to call himself so to the detriment of a party ac- 
cused. In support of the indictment, it was said among 
other things, that the vinegar-makers might be esquires 
by reputation, such esquires being mentioned in some old 
law books; but this was opposed by the dictum of Coke, 
Reputatio est vulgaris opinio ubi non est Veritas. The 
Court decided against the validity of the indictment, and 
the thieves were acquitted. Shutt and Justice were the 
counsel for the prosecutors." — From a note cjiven many years 



By outcasts, blackguards, and banditti; 
Quoth Thomas, 'Then the time may come 
When Laurencekirk shall equal Rome.' " 


.. Edinburgh. 

English Wool in 1682. 
pages of a learned disquisit 
man and published " Francofurti adViadrum" 

In turning 

in 1682, 
to the m< 
transferring fo your columns : 



Lord Gardenston, one of the Judges of the 
Court of Session in Scotland founded about a 
century ago the present village of Laurencekirk, 
on his property in Kincardineshire. To encourage 
strangers to settle in it, he gave Free Rights (copy- 
holds) at an unusually low rate, and consequently 
got several of them taken by parties of question- 
able respectability. He built an inn in the vil- 
la2:e, and put into one of the rooms an album, 
inviting travellers to write in it any suggestions 
or observations ; and he called frequently to look 
at the contents. It is said that he felt much nettled 
on finding in it one morning the following lines: 

"Frorn small beginnings Rome of old 
Became a great and populous cit3% 
Though peopled first, as we are told, 



jr of contents the passage 
Anglicana melior est G 

srmanica, et qua? 
ratio ejus/' J. M. 

A Testimony to our Climate. — The Times of 
the 20th instant chronicles the death of eight per- 
sons between seventy and eighty, of five between 
eighty and ninety, and of four over ninety. The 
united ages of these seventeen persons giving an 
average of eighty-two years for each. On the 
2 1st we read of fifteen dying between seventy and 
eighty, of eight between eighty and ninety, and 
one over ninety. The average of these twenty- 
four being very nearly seventy-six years a-piece. 
On the 22nd there appeared two over ninety, six 
between eighty and ninety, and ten between 

The average here belnjj 

rd. thirteen be- 

seventy and eighty, 
nearly seventy-nine. 
tween seventy and eighty, seven between eighty 
and ninety, and one over ninety, making an aver- 
age of seventy-nine and a half each. We suppose 
our American cousins would say, if these eighty 
individuals, whose longevity we have noticed, had 
lived anywhere else but in our own land of fogs 
and changeable weather, they would never have 
died at all. li» C. L. 


In turning over the leaves the other day of a 
little book, entitled Description of Nun eh am- Court- 
ney, in the County of Oxford, 1797, 8vo, I met with 
the following note, in the catalogue of pictures in 
the library, given at p. 28 : 

** Milton, by Vandergucht, after the original in the 
possession of Lord Onslow; at the back of which is the 
following inscription : 

'' ^This original picture of Milton* I bought in the 
year 1729 or 1730, and paid twenty guineas for it, of Mr. 
Cumberbatch, a gentleman of very good consideration 
in Chester, who was a relation and executor of the will 
of Milton's last wife, who died a little while before that 
time. He told me it hung up in her chamber till her 
death, and that she used to say her husband gave it her, 
to show her what he Avas^in his youth, being drawn 
when he was about twenty -one years of age. 

* Ar. Onslow.' " 

« Post Hispanicam pr^cipua bonitas est lan» Angli- ^P^^)' ^ ^^^^ • '' ^^^ picture 

Milton's Works (p 




tudine ac pinguedine superant; sic melior etiam illarum 
lana; cnjus rationem reddunt, turn quod pabulis alantur 
minus laetis, quae opiliones fugere jubent, tum quod ea 
regione oves vix bibant, sed ad sitim extinguendam 
CGftlesti fere rore sint contentse. Q^ibus alia adhunc ad- 
jicitur quod Angli lac agnis hoh subducant. ut in Ger- 
mania contingit, sed ejus usum tontlnuuijd ipsls conce- 

about twenty, was in the possession of the Rt. 
Hon. Arthur Onslow." This portrait forms a 


to Masson's Life of Milton 



in troubling 

with this Note, is, to 

ascertain the connection between Mr 



alluded to in the above 


^ A A. 

This o6cur3 at section 64 of a Dissertaiio j 
7*a de Lana et Lanificis^ by David Cofflery In 

Kn account of the different portraits of Milton will 

be found in the 
Publications, vol. xii. p 




[S^d S. V. Jan. 30, '64. 

extract; and I may add, that any information 
relative to the family of Comberbach, or, as it is 
frequently spelt, CumberhatcK will be very ac- 
ceptable to and gratefully received by me. ^ 
In the first volume of Pickering's editi 

tion of 

Milton's Works, 1851, there is a pedigree of the 

YounsT, Garter. 

From this, it appears that Milton married three 
times : first, to Mary, daughter of Richard Powell ; 
second, to Catherine, daughter of Captam Wood- 
cock ; both of whom died in child-bed, having had 
issue. By his third wife—" Elizabeth Minshull of 

""mtwich, CO. Chester, marr. lie. 

Stoke, near N 



in 1729 (a relation to Dr. Paget) 

.she is described as Elizabeth Milt^ 

CO. Chester, wid., dated 22 Aug. 1717, proved 

at Chester, Oct. 10, 1727,"— he had no issue. To 

this extract (from Sir G. C. Young's pedigree) 

there is this note : 

" Elizabeth Milton, after payment of debts and funeral 
expences, gives the residue of her effects to her nephews 
and nieces in Namptwich equally to be divided, without 
naming them, and appoints her loving friends Samuel 
Acton and John Allcock, both of Namptwich, exors: 
the latter only proved the will." 

From this it would appear that Mr. Comber- 
bach was not an executor. That he knew some- 

of the Milton family, is shown by the 





" Mr. Milton's mother (I am informed *) was allaugh- 
ton of Haughton Tower in Lancashire.'* 

a * 


to William Cowper, Esq., Clerk of the Parliament, dated 
15 Dec. 1736." 

This letter is, I suppose, lost; but, if extant, it 
mijjht afford some information. 

I have consulted the accounts of the Minshull 
family given by Ormerod {History of Cheshire^ 
vol. iii. pp. 181, 191), and in the Publications of 
the Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire 
(Session IL pp. 85, 232), but am not able to dis- 
cover the connection between Elizabeth Minshull 
and Mr. Comberbach from them. 

Mr. Masson {Life of Milton^ vol. i. p. 23), 
says : 

•* Roger Comberbach was Roger Comberbach * the 
younger, son of an elder of that name, who was born in 
IGCG ; and became recorder of Chester, and author of 
some legal works. Both father and son were interested 
in the antiquities of Cheshire, and both knew Nantwich 
well, where the elder had been born. Milton's widow 
died at Nantwich in 1727, and might have been known 
to both." 

I cannot tell in wliat way the Comberbachs, 
father and son, evinced an interest in the anti- 
quities of Cheshire. I must say I doubt it. At 

* See an account of his descendants in Ormerod, vol. iii. 
pp. 229, 232 ; Burke's Comvioners, vol. ii. p. 461 ; Burke's 
Landed GerUr^, art. ** Swetenham of Somerford Booths." 

the last Visitation of Cheshire, we find Roo:er 
Comberbach, of Nantwich, among those who dis- 
claimed their right to arms. And as far as I can 
learn from the College of Arms, no grant has 
ever been made. My desire to obtain informa- 
tion concerning tliis family, must be my apology 
for trespassing so much on your valuable space. 

George W. Marshall. 

American Authors. — Can any of your Ame- 
rican readers give me any biographical particu- 
lars regarding two American poets and dramatists? 
1. Jonas B.Phillips, author of CamzYZw^y, a play, 
acted at the Arch Street Theatre, Philadelphia, 
in 1833. He was also author of several other 
plays. 2. Dr. AVare, author of Dion, a Play, 
acted at Philadelphia, about 1828. Who was 
this Dr. Ware ? There are two or three American 
Dr. Wares. I find these authors mentioned in 
Rees's Dramatic Authors of America^ Philadelphia, 



R. 1. 

An Aldine Book. — Looking over a very high 
shelf of classical books during the Christmas 
holydays, I met with Poraponius Mela and So- 
linus, commencing with an address by Franciscus 
Asolanus, 12mo, Venice, 1518. On consulting 
A. A. Renouard, I find that it is an interesting 
edition, considered as science or literature ; but I 
am only concerned here with it bibliographically. 
Renouard (I write from memory) describes the 
book on two 8vo pages, but he omits to say that 
it is printed in Italic letter, that large square 
spaces have been left for an illuminated or orna- 
mental letter at the beginning of each chapter, 

(in my copy) is only a piccolo in the middle 

of the square. But, in the collation, after men- 
tioning that there should be 233 feuillets and 
three more, the last with the anchor (one of the 
most elegant and delightful bookmarks I know), 
he says nothing of four at the beginning of the 
book, which there should be to make it complete. 
The register 


ays that *a, b, &c. are in quater- 
nions. Renouard has omitted altogether the four 
leaves with the star. Will some of those who 
enjoy the luxury of Aldus's editions, and of Re- 
tt ouard's Aide in 3 vols., be so good as to tell me 
whether I am correct, and whether the title-page 
is given literally correct by Renouard, and how 
it is arranged lineatim ? Wm. Davis. 

Hill Cottage, Erdington. . '^ ' 

Balloons: their Dimensions. — Is M. Na- 

dar's " Geant " balloon the largest that has ever 
been constructed ? I should be particularly 
obliged to any of your correspondents who will 
furnish me with the dimensions of some of the 
most remarkable ones that have preceded it. 
Aeronautic Treatises disagree with one another 

so strikingly on this point, that I should be glad 

to know how to get at the truth. R. C.L. 

* 1- » 

3^-1 S. V. Jan. 30, »64.] 



^ , 



Beech Trees never struck by Lightning. 
This is an opinion which prevails in Kent, but, 
strange to relate, in Buckinghamshire, which 
abounds in these trees, the saying is unknown. 
On takins some loni; rides throuj;h the woods 
there last summer, we observed Oak, Elm, and 
Ash, which had evidently suffered more or less 
from the thunder-stroke, but not one Beech, 
though they are *often the loftiest trees in the 
forests. Since this time my friend has made re- 
peated inquiries on the subject, and cannot meet 
with any one who has seen such a thing. Can 
any of your readers assist me with any further 
information? If it be true that the Beech is 
proof to the electric fluid, it will be very valuable 
information, as lives are lost almost every year 
by persons taking shelter from storms of rain 
beneath trees which are not so favoured. The 



{Laurus nohilis) I: 

A. A. 

Poets' Corner. 

John Bristow. — -Mr. Samuel Tymms, in his 
Family Topographer (vi. Cumberland, 37), makes 
the following statement : 

*' Of Stainton was Mr. John Bristow, who published a 
Survey of the Lakes after attaining his 94th year. He 
never employed a surgeon or physician, nor gave a fee 
to a lawyer ; his clothes were spun in his house, and made 
of the wool of his own sheep." 

It will be seen that the material matter known 
as a date is wanting in this account. I cannot 
trace the publication alluded to. Under the cir- 
cumstances I have recourse to your columns, in 
the hope of obtaining from Mr. Tymms or from 
some other quarter more definite and precise in- 
formation respecting John Bristow and his book. 

S. Y 


I possess a landscape thus inscribed on its back : 
" Exhibited at the British Gallery, 1821.*' I want 
to know in what this designation differs from that 



where are exhibited the works of the ancient 

isters, in Pall Mall ? 
CuEious Essex Saying. 


They say in this 

county "Every dog has his day, and a cat has two 
Sundays.''* The former half of the proverb In some 
form or other may be said to be cosmopolitan, but 
what can the latter half mean? Does it allude to 
the supposed tenacity of life of the feline race, or 
is there any special folk lore attached to it ? 

Poets' Corner. 

A. A. 

■ To Compete, — Can any correspondent favour 
me with the earliest recognition, In an English 
work, of this verb ? In reading an old smoke- 

fr k 

[* For severar articles on this subject see "N & '^ 
l'*, 231; vii. 25; X. 513.-ED.] h^ ,*, 

dried Scotch book, Guthrie's Great Interest^ Glas- 
gow, 1736, I find the verb, and I find Jamieson 
has no other authority than the passage in which 
I found it independently. He mentions that the 
verb has no existence in English. It is not in 
Walker's Dictionary^ 1831. J. D. Campbell. 

Earldom of Dunbar, — Can any of your 
readers inform me whether anything more than 
may be read in Douglas's Peerage^ is known re- 
specting this earldom having been claimed or as- 
sumed after the death of George Home, or lluiue, 

created Earl of Dunbar in 1605 ? 




Dunbar" is mentioned in a paper now before nic, 
dated Feb. 2, 1613-14: who was he? George, 
Earl of Dunbar, died in January, 1610-11. 

John Bruce. 

5, Upper Gloucester Street, Dorset Square. 

Elma, a new Female Christian Name. 

The late much-lamented Earl of Elgin and Kin- 
cardine has left an only surviving daughter by 
his first wife Elizabeth-Mary, only child of Charles 
Lennox Cumming-Bruce, Esq. Her name is Lady 
Elma Bruce- This name of Elma is one I never 
saw before. Is it a composition from the first 
syllables of her mother's two names — Elizabeth 

and Mary ? 

J. G. N. 

Freemasons. — I have lately found an allusion 
to the craft in a place where it would be least 
expected. In the edition of the letters and pane- 
gyric of Pliny the younger, published at Leipsic 
in 1805, with notes by Gesner and others, I find 
the following passage in a note of Gesner : 

" Novimus, quid nuper de Collegii Fabrum Liberalium 

Britannici coloniis per Franciam et Italiam metuerint 
quidam principes." — P. 528. 

Perhaps some member of the craft will elucidate 
this historical allusion of the German annotator. 

H. C. C. 


Prayer-Book. — Is anytliing 

known of the editor of an edition of the Common 
Prayer Book, with notes, and " ornamented with 
a set of elegant copper plates;" bearing the im- 
print, " Gainsborough : Printed by J. Mozley, 
MDCCLXxviii ? " The volume is octavo, and con- 


New Week 
3 Devotions 


Brady and Tate's Psalms. The plates are original 
enough, and are all inscribed " Gurnill, Sculpt'^ 
The book is curious as an edition of the Prayer 
Book, and as a specimen of the Lincolnshire press. 


a view to escape 

danger from 

Mr. Mozl 

title-pasje: "The Christian's Universal Compa- 

_ • . M '^ T> XT fl 



Haccombe and its Privileges. — Prince, in 
his WortJiies of Devon^ under " Thomas C^rew,'* 
speaking of Haccombe, says 



[ 3'<» S. V. Jan. 30, '64. 


« It Is, as to the number of dwellings, the smallest 

parish in England; consisting but of two dwellings, the 
mansion-house and the parsonage ; but it enjoys privileges 
beyond the greatest. For it is out of any hundred, and 
beyond the precincts of any officer, civil or military, to 
take cognizance of any proceeding therein. And by 
roval grant from the crown, it is exempted from all duties 
and taxes, for some noble service done by some of the 

ancestors of this family [Carew], towards the support 

What were the services rendered, to gain for 
this parish such extraordinary privileges? Mr. 
Maclean, in his Life and Times of Sir Peter Carew, 
reproduces in a note this account from Prince, but 
oflers no explanation. It is also given in Gorton 
and other topographical dictionaries. It appears 
from the Carew pedigree given by Mr. Maclean, 
that the founder of the Haccombe branch was 
KiLdioIas Carew, who lived in the middle of the 
fifteenth century ; it is therefore to be presumed 
that the services in question were rendered by 
him, or at a subsetpient period. I have not been 
able to find a notice of any grant of the kind in 
Rymer, but the Index to that work is very faulty. 

Prince further sa3''s that the Rector of Hac- 
combe '''tis said," may claim tho privilege of 
wearing lawn sleeves, and of sitting next the 
bishop ; and is under the visitation only of the 
archbishop of Canterbury : a kind of chorepi- 
scopus. Lysons, however (HiH, ofDevoii)^ denies 
that the rector has any such privileges.'^ E. V. 

The Haight Family. — I would feel truly 
obliged for any facts regarding the locality and 
genealogy of the Haight family which any of 
your correspondents may be able and willing to 
communicate. I believe its origin is undoubtedly 
English, and the limited information I now have, 
tends to show that one branch of it, at least, 
settled in this country some little time prior to 
the middle of the last century, at Rye, West- 
chester County, N. Y. Perhaps your corre- 
spondent, A, who so kindly furnished important 
facts respecting the Tylee family, may possess 
and be willing also to impart information touching 
this inquiry. D. K. N. 

New York. 


** Irenffius ascribes to the personifications and suspension 
of the powers of nature by the evil spirits, the apparition 
of Castor and Pollux, the water carried in a sieve, the 
ship towed by a lady's hand, and the black beard which 
became red at a touch." — A Letter to Dr. Gortin^ by 
Thomas Severn, B.D., London, 1759, p. 22. 

The author quotes abundantly, but seldom by 
chapter or page. I have found him accurate in 
those quotations which I could trace. I cannot 
find the ^bove, and shall be obliged by being told 
where it is, or where the delusions are mentioned. 

a T. H. 


[♦ These privileges are noticed in our !•< S. fx. 185. 

Thomas Lee of Dartvhall, co. Cheshire. 

According to the pedigree of the Lee family given 
in Ormerod's History of Cheshire^ vol. i. p. 466, 
Thomas Lee of Darnhall married Frances, daugh- 
ter and coheiress of R. N. Venables, of Antrobus 
and Wincham. The issue of this marriage was Na- 
thaniel, born 1655 ; Thomas^ born 1661 ; Robert, 
born 1664; John, and Elizabeth. Ormerod says 
nothing of this marriage or is»ue of the Thomas 
Lee born in 1661. In a pedigree I have seen, he 
is said to have married Jane, daughter of Thomas 
Davis, Esq. of Corby Park, Northamptonshire. 
Can any of your correspondents give me any in- 

formation on this point ? 

D. S. E. 

on the following points relathiii to 

Lepel. — I should be obliged by any information 


General Nicholas Lepel, father of the celebrated 
Mary Lepel, who was married in 1720 to Lord 
Hervey : 1. When did he enter the army? 2. 
What were his arms? 3. What tbe date of his 
death ? 4. What is the name of his father? 


Col. James Lowther. — Col. James Lowther, 
who was M.P. for Westmoreland, died at Caen, in 
France, in 1837. Can any of your readers state 
the day and month? Also, the date of his birth 

and marriage ? 
Wm. Russell M 

F. R. A. 

This gentleman. 

who died Dec. 30, 1854, is noticed in the obituary 
of the Gent. Mag. Feb. 1855, as editor or pro- 
prietor of a work called The Literary Humourist. 
What is the date of this publication ? Was it a 



Sir Wm. Pole's Charters. — Can any reader 
of '' N. & Q.'" inform me where is to be seen a 
copy of Sir William Pole's (the celebrated Devon- 
shire antiquary) "great volume of MS. Charters," 
" as big," as he says himself, " as a church Bible ?^' 
I do not at present recollect to have seen it 
quoted in any work later than CoUinws's Peerage 
of England^ by Brydges, published in 1812. 


Poor Cock Robin's Death. — Is it a fact that 
in a church, the name of which I forget, about 
twenty miles from Stamford, there is a colored 
glass window containing a representation of tbe 
death of poor Cock Robin? If so, could you or 
any of your readers tell me the name of the 
church? And are there supposed to be any 
similar instances ? W. P. P. 


" Li Sette Salmi."— Under this title I have a 
metrical version of the Seven Penitential Psalms, 
in MS. It comprises 118 verses ot" eight lines - 
each ; one verse to a page, with the Latin text 
above. The seven psalms are followed by fifteen 
lines, which I give below for the sake of the inter- 
weaving of the Latin lines. Book-worms have 



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, almost destroyed this pious effort, and yet nearly [ said to have remained unrepealed till long after- 
f all of it can be read. Unhappily, the enemy has wai*ds. 

devoured the more important portion of the 

. .1 t _--Zt/^-„ T __j. V T_l 11 

author's name : *'Can. Jacopo — nt 

be gratified to ascertain this author's name. 

first line of the sixth psalm is 

<* Signer' che uedi i miei pensicri aperti." 

I should 




" Ecoo che la mia niorte s' auicina, 

E di molti peccati ho colmo il petto, 

Domine ad adiuuandu me festina. 

" Hor tempo h ch' io pianga il mio difetto, 
E spieghi auanti a te le mio querele, 

Vt passer solitarius in tecto. 

" Sempre fui peccator fero, e crudele, 

M^ sol per tua bont^ Signor ti pregho, 

Omnes iniquitates meas dele. 

" Auanti h te le mie genocchia piegho, 
E in te sol la mia salute pende, 

Quia unicusy et pa?fper sum ego. ^ 

" Dhe fa ch' io scampi quelle pene horrende, 

Ghe nel inferno si paton si graui, 
Deus in adiutoriu men intendej^ 

B. H. C 

Stamp Duty on Painters' Canvass. — Various 

conflicting statements have been volunteered as 
to the exact date at which a stamp duty was 
imposed by the government of the day on the 
canvasses used by artists. 

The Excise mark is to be often found upon the 
backs of pictures of the period ; and upon some 
said, by competent judges, to have been painted 

1781, 1782. 
The mark 

lynolds t 



f > 

. f G. R. (double cypher, reversed.^ 

J. J. 0. 

It is Important, to establish the abo 

yond controversy, as the genuineness and origi- 
nal itv, and thus the great money 
otherwise, of various pictures said 
Thomas Gainsborough| and Sir Joshu 

upon /Xing' of the date (by 

to be by 

) on which this duty maik was first 

3n canvasses : 
leased to be ii 

w«ll as when 

^he duty. It is by some alleged to 
irst imposed during the Americau i 
De^an in 1775, and terminated during the Pilt 
inmistration in 1783 ; but the Excise duty is 

I repeal of 
have been 
jrar, which 

The spelling is carefully copied. 

Sir Joshua Reynolds died Feb. 23, 1792.' 

Thomas Gainsborough died August 2, 1' 

... K 

^V ,. 

The proprietors of theatres al;so are said to 
have loudly complained, during its imposition, of 
the oppressiveness of this tax ; from the great 

expense added thereby to the canvasses used for 

The recital of the Acts* of Parliament 


imposing and repealing this duty — would be im- 
portant, as placing the question beyond dispute. 

It is desired to know, decisively, at what date 
a duty was first imposed by the government of 
Great Britain on the canvasses used by artists ? 
And also, the date of repeal of said duty? 

L. F. K 

Mr. Thackeray's Literary Journal. 

It is 

stated in the Edinhurgh Review (1848), that Mr. 
Thackeray started and edited a weekly critical 
journal. Can any reader tell me the title of the 
journal referred to ? The statement has lately 
been repeated in several quarters — the old Par-^ 
tjienon being named by Mr. Hannay ; but I think 
a very slight perusal of the Parthenon would con- 
vince any one that Mr. Thackeray's hand was not 


s. — This officer, 


Colonel Robert Venable 

author of The Experienced Angler^ served in the 
Parliamentary army, and was Governor of Chester 
in 1644. In 1G49, he was Commander-in-Chief 
of the forces in Ulster, and Governor of Belfast, 
Antrim, and Lisncgarvey. In 1654 he, with Ad- 
miral Penn, was joint commander of the expedi- 
tion sent by Cromwell against Hispaniola ; and 
on their return, in the following year, both com- 
manders were committed to the Tower. Here I 
lose sight of Venables. Any other information 
respecting him will be thankfully received. 

In the Harleian MSS. there is a paper, partly 
in the handwriting of CcJonel Venables, detailing 
the time he served in Cheshire, and the amount 
of pay due to him from 1643 to 1646. A similar 
record of his services in Ireland, if it could be 
obtained, would be of great value and interest. 

The notices of Venables in the Civil War tracts, 
Nickolls's State Papers^ and the reprint of his 
Experienced Angler^ are known to the inquirer. 
In the last work, there is a curious typographical 

the artificial 

rismg to 

error. Speaking of fish 

fly, the author is represented to say: "and they 
will bite also near Tom Shane's Castle, Mountjoy, 
Antrim, &c., even to admiration.'* 



Toiji Shane, or where was his castle? one, who 
knew the district referred to, would be inclined 
to inauire — if he did not at once see that the 

words shoujd be 
Mountjoy, Antrlnij &c." 

" near Toome, Shane's Castle, 

The information might possibly be obtained by a 
reference to some of the Stamp Acts, 



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Venables must have left much 


mentary matter behind hira ; and it is with the 
hopes of discovering some of it, if still in exist- 



Isaac Walton ? The latter says that he never 
saw the fiice of the former, and yet he wrote a 
commendatory address for the Expeinenced 



Mr. Wise. — AVarton, in a letter written in 1790, 
mentions " Mr. Wise, the librarian.'' I should be 
glad if any of your readers could kindly tell me 
who this Mr. Wise was, and what was the destin- 

ation of his papers ? J- O. Halliwell. 

West Brompton. 

Words derived from "iEvuM." — Will you 

permit me to ask which is the correct way to spell 
words derived from the Latin cevum; whether 
coeval^ primeval^ and medieval^ or with a dipth- 
thong ? There is the authority of good authors 
for both ? P. 

KoYAL Arms. — 1. Do princesses, daughters of 
the soverei^^n, wear coronets similar to those worn 

by the younger sons of the sovereign? and is that 
of the Princess Royal different from those of her 
sisters ? 

2. When is the label of 5 points used to dif- 
ference the royal arms ? Should it be used in the 

case of the present Duke of Cambridge and his 
sisters ? 

3. Should the arms of a Royal Duke be im- 
paled with those of his wife ? and if so, the Duke 
being a Knight of the Garter, should the Garter 
encircle the escutcheon ? 

4. In emblazoning the arms of her Majesty and 
the late Prince Consort, would it be right to 
make use of two shields, — one with the Queen's 
arms, and the other with the Prince's ? and should 
cach^ shield have separate supporters, and be in 
fact in every way separate from the other? 


[Answers to such professional and technical queries 
can hardly be expected from the general readers of this 
work. Its pages would be outrun speedily by such 
questions. We have endeavoured to procure a satisfac- 
tory answer in this case. 




2. The label of 6 points has been used to difference the 
arms in the cases of grandchildren and nephews of the 
Sovereign ; but it does not follow as a 
of 5 points should be used. The E 
uses the label of 3 points granted to his father. 

3. If the Royal Duke be a Knight of the Garter, the 



4. In emblazoning the arms of the Queen and her late 

e (if : 




would only be put in a separate shield by the side of her 
husband's ; her coronet would be that of her husband. 
See answer 3.] 

Bacon Queries. — Lord Bacon heads the lega- 
cies to his friends by one of " ray books of orisons 
or psalms curiously rhymed," to the Marquis 
Fiat, late Lord Ambassador of France. 

Was this a MS. or some early copy in English 
or French ? Was it Marot's ? 

The great chancellor also orders the sale of his 
chambers in Gray's Inn, calculating the produce 
of the ground floor, with the third and fourth 
floors, at 300/. as a small relief to twenty-five 
poor scholars of the two universities. 

Is the situation of those chambers now known, 
and is the tree that went by the name of this great ' 
philosopher and lawyer still standing ? If so, at 
what part of the gardens ? J. A. G. 

[The book of " orisons or psalms " was doubtless his 
own production, entitled Certaine Psalmes in VersCy by 
Francis Lord Verulam. Lond. 1625, 4to. Dr. Cotton 
mentions two editions of this work, one for " Street and 
Whitaker," the other for " Hannah Barrett andR. Whit- 


The Psalms are, i. xii. xc. civ. cxxvi. cxxxvii, 
Walton, in his Life of George Herbert j informs 
us, that " Sir Francis Bacon put such a value on Mr. 
Herbert's judgment, that he usually desired his appro- 
bation, before he would expose any of his books to be 
printed ; and thought him so worthy of his friendship, 
that having translated many of the prophet David's 
Psalms into English verse, he made George Herbert his 
patron, by a public Dedication of them to him, as the 
best judge of Divine poetry. 

Lord Bacon's chambers were in Coney Court, looking 
over the gardens towards St. Pancras church and High- 
gate Hill ; the site is that of No. 1, Gray's Inn Square, 
first floor. The house was burnt Feb. 17, 1679, with sixty 
other chambers. (^Historian's Guide, 3rd edit. 1688.) The 
trees said to have been planted by Lord Bacon in Gray's 
Inn Gardens are probably destroyed; at any rate, " none 
now exist coeval with his time." 
Book of London, ed, 1850, p. 209.] 



' ; f 



OR. THE Sage's 

Old Age and the Grave 


Bohn's edition of Lowndes, this 


book appears 
in Henry. In 



A quotation from D 

IS ap- 

pended, and a reference to the Retrospective 

i T 

I « 


The writer in the Retrospective Review (vii. 76) 
begins bis account of tbe book thus : 

" The author of Hermtppus Redivivus was John Henry 
Cohausen, a Germw physician, who did not quite make 

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I ' 

jjood his own theory, but died in a sort of nonage, when 
he was only eighty-five years of age. His book was 
translated into English by Dr. John Campbell, and has 
always been considered curious, as giving a summary of 
the many facts and opinions which have been published 
respecting this very interesting subject," &c. 

D'lsraeli, in his Curiosities of Literature^ under 
the head of " Literary Blunders," writes of this 
book as follows : 

** But the most singular blunder was produced by the 
ingenious Hermippus JRedivivus of Dr. Campbell, a curious 
banter on the hermetic philosophy, and the universal 
medicine; but the grave irony is so closely kept up, that 
it deceived for a length of time the most learned. His 
notion of the art of prolonging life, by inhaling the breath 
of young women, was eagerly credited. A physician, 
who himself had composed a treatise on health, was so 
influenced by it, that he actually took lodgings at a 
female boarding school, that he might never be without 
a constant supply of the breath of young ladies. Mr. 
Thicknesse seriously adopted the project. Dr. Kippis 
acknowledged that, after he had read the work in his 
youth, the reasonings and the facts left him several days 
m a kind of fairy-land. I have a copy, with manuscript 
notes by a learned physician, who seems to have had no 
doubts of its veracity. After all, the intention of the 
work was long doubtful; till Dr. Campbell assured a 
friend it was a mere jew cTesprit^^^ &c., &c. 

John Addis. 


[The person whom Dr. Campbell meant to represent 
under the character of Hermippus Redivivus was Mr. 
Calverley, a celebrated dancing-master, whose sister for 
many years kept a school in Queen's Square, London, 
where likewise he himself lived. A picture of him in the 
dancing-school was formerly there, drawn at the great age 
of ninety-one, May 28, 1784. Vide '' N. & Q." l^t S. xii. 
255; 2"dS. ix. 180.] 


I wish to know the deriva- 

tion of the name Maiden Castle, which is applied 
to an ancient earthwork situated on an elevated 


the sea-coast, and 

which appellation I believe attaches to several 
other similar camps or fortresses in England. 

Middn is a word belonging to the Indo-Euro- 
pean, or Aryan, class of languages, and means a 
plain. It is possible that the same word with the 
same meaning may have been employed by the 
early inhabitants of that part of JBritain whose 
ancestors were Aryans. Were such the case, 
Maiden Castle, or Midan Castle,>ould be svnonv- 
mous with the Castle on the Plain. 

[Maiden Castle is one of the largest and most complete 
Eoman camps in the west of England. Some derive the 

H. C. 

word Maiden 


(whence the Saxon word Maid or Maiden), and thence 
conclude that fortifications so called were deemed im 


^Gloss. voce Dunium) 


Dun, the Castle of the great hill: in his ophiion, it is the 
T)uniumof Ptolemy, the capital of the Durotriges. Cam- 

Avith Durnovaria. Baxter calls Dunium " Arx in excelso 
monte posita ad mille fere passuum a Durnovaria," now 
Maiden Castle, g. d. Mai dim, or the great hill, or hill of 
the citadel or burgh. Vide Hutchins's Dorsetshire^ ii. 

Horses first Shod with Iron. — Can any of 
your readers inform me when horses were first 
shod with iron? I have just had brought me a 
stone about five inches over, on which is plainly 
impressed the mark of a pony's or mule's shoe. It 
was found near the scythe-stone pits on the Black- 
borough Hills, between Honiton and Cvdlompton. 

Henry Matthews. 

(History of 

442—454, ed. 

1846) has a valuable article on the history of horse-shoes 
from the most remote period. Their early use in England 
is thus noticed by him : ** Daniel, the historian, seems to 
give us to understand that in the ninth century horses 
were not shod always, but only in the time of frost, and 
on other particular occasions. The practice of shoeing 
appears to have been introduced into England by Wil- 
liam the Conqueror. AVe are informed that this sovereign 
gave the city of Northampton as a fief to a certain person, 
in consideration of his paying a stated sum yearly for the 
shoeing of horses; and it is believed that Henry de 
Ferres or De Ferrers, who came over with William, and 
whose descendants still bear in their arms six horse- 
shoes, received that surname because he was entrusted 
with the inspection of the farriers. I shall here observe, 
that horse-shoes have been found, with other riding fur- 
niture, in the graves of some of the old Germans and 
Vandals in the northern countries ; but the antiquity of 

them cannot be ascertained."] 

Bishop of Salisbury. — Who was John^ 
Bishop of Salisbury in a.d. 1661 ? In CardwelFs 
Synodalia (sub anno 1661) p. 683, xxxi. Sessio 
cxxv., I find, " Introducto libro precum in La- 
tina concept', relatum fuit curae et revisloni re- 
verend! in Xto patris Johannis permissione divina 
Sarum episcopi." Brian Duppa was Bishop from 
1641 to 1660, and Humphrey Henchman from 

1660 to 1663 ; John Earle, 1663 to 1665. 

M. N. 


May 8, 1661, continued its sittings until Sept. 26, 1666. 
Session 125 was holden on the 18th of May, 1663, at 
■which time John Earle was Bishop of Salisbury, having 
been recently translated from Worcester to Sarum.] ] 



S. iv- 286, 363, 420, 457 ; v. 21.) vl ^ 

I have read with much Interest the communica- 
tion from your correspondent upon this subject. 

den changes this into Durnium to make it correspond The matter is one well deserving the most careful 



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attention of all who 

are engaffed 

either in the 

__ — ^ ^ ^ 

enlargement, or restoration of our churches ; for 
it is while carrying on these works, that the de- 
struction of ancient memorials is generally per- 
petrated ; but it is extremely difficult to know 
what is to be done in some cases where reallv, if 
monumental absurdities are to be left untouched, 

of churches to meet the spiritual wants of an in- 
creasing population, or of such improvements as 
fjood taste would dictate in the restoration of 
fine architectural features wantonly cut away to 
make room for ridiculous and costly monuments 
encumbered with weeping cupids, heathen urns, 
lamps, festoons, and other inappropriate devices 
mostly ill chosen, and badly executed. As far, 
therefore, as these mistaken 
cerned, I can see no reason why they may not be 
removed (with proper sanction), when they inter- 
fere with church extension ; but whenever this 
becomes necessary, the utmost care should be 
taken to preserve the inscriptions. Frequently 
it happens that the obituary occupies a very small 
part of a gigantic monument; surely the refixino- 
of these small tablets, without their offensive 
framework, would be sufficient. In reuard to 


are con- 

brasses upon the floor, incised inscriptions and 
effigies on stone slabs, &c., it would really be well 
that these should neither be hid or rnaterially 
altered in their positions, excepting under the 
most cogent circumstances; and then a re^-ular 
entry of the fact should be made in the parish 
book. It frequently happens that, from exces- 
sive dampness, there is a necessity for raising the 
church floor, and sometimes in the re-arrano-ement 

of seatinL^ parts of the floor formerly seen be- 
come concealed; and others, hitherto hid, are 
brought to view. Whenever this occurs, the 
altered state of things shoidd be duly noted, and 
this seems all that can be done under the circum- 
stances. ^ Few will deny that there is much more 
beauty In well arranged encaustic tiles than in 
damp and broken grave slabs ; but if this advan- 
tage is to be only gained by destroying memorials 
of well-known ancient families, it is certainly bet- 


ter to forego artistic 
the records. Colour 

feeling than to 

appears to be one of the 
mducements for substituting tiles for stone ; and, 
no doubt, the flooring of a church may be ^. 
much an object of design and skill as any other 


part, but colour is not essential. 

Perhaps no 

lloor IS more beautiful than that of the Cathedral 
of Sienna, wholly devoid of colour, yet rendered 
exquisite bv '^'' • • ^ .v, . 

its numerous incised 



other devices. It is rarely, however, that such 
floors are to be met with. However, whether 
plain or enriched, I feel the force of your cor- 
respondent's observations; and hope that his 
remonstrance will induce those who are the 

authoriseU guardians of our churches to be a little 

more careful when meddling with monumental 
inscriptions. And here I may add, that feeling 
the importance of this and kindred subjects, a 
standing Committee has been appointed by the 
Royal Institute of British Architects " for the 
conservation of ancient buildings and monuments ;^* 
and that the members will always be ready to aid 
those who are altering or adding to old structures, 
in resisting wanton and unnecessary spoliation.^i : 

Benj. Ferret, F.S.A. 

i ■ 


(3'^ S. Y. 57.) ■ 

"We bring our years to an end like a tale [that 
is told] " is not quite correct as to the last word^ 
tale: and the Greek and Latin versions are de-i 

cidedly wrong m translatmg Han (=176 in pronun- 
ciation), spider. According to Calasius, this word 
occurs thirty-eight times in the O. T. The errors 
of Wyclifle and De Sacy arise from copying the 
Septuagint and Vulgate. This is remarkable in 
De Sacy, who was a Jew, or of Jewish extraction, 
and who altered his name, Isaac, by anagram, to 
De Sacy. The word npH (hege) has the same 

(hego) in Syriac, and j^j^ 



meaitation^ and the re- 
meaning is very clear 


suit of meditation. This 

from Psalm i. 2 : '^ And in thy law will I meditate 
day and night " ; also from Psalm ii. 1 : " The 
people imagine vain things." The word was used 
flrst by Joshua (i. 8), and is not found in the Pen- 
tateuch, although the ninetieth Psalm is attributed 
to Moses. See Gesenius. Mendelssohn has ein 
geschwdtz, a chattering; De Wette, ein laut^ a 
sound. Others translate it, a breath, a sigh, a^ 

A Spanish Jew, who spoke Arabic, 



once told me that HJIl meant any thought that 
arose in the mind. In Arabic it means to com- 

a poem, and in that language, as well as in 
Sjriac, it means to divide a word into syllables, as 
an effort of thought. From the same root the. 
Chaldee derives its words for rhetoric and roirie.- 

The proper and only known Hebrew v 



spider is 
states in 

• T - ' 


aceaoish, as 
Bible Diet 


Job, viii. 14, and Isaiah, lix. 5. 

lowing the Syriac version, has spider in Ps. xc. 9,] 

Wright i 

iii. 1370)., See 1 
The Arabic, fol- ' 


(goge) in error, I 6onc6iv% 

\ ' 4 

T - ' 

01 , {hagogo) 

hagga^ being also a pji^ntasm in Hebrew 

D. Michaelis 1 

Heh. Lex.,\.A\^.) Th 


which is the 
Ps. xc. 9. 

inference may be drawn that the interpreter, mis 
taking the Hebrew .,^.1 1^. .1.. :.j.\^^\...^ ..g- , 
uifying spider^ gave that as the meaning to the 

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Greek amanuensis of the LXX. Similar errors 

of hearing occur in this Greek version. 

(xviii. 137) 

In Eich- 

;s Schul- 

tens on this word 


exasstuantem/* but attributes to Kirachi a better 
sense, who says, " the word njn denotes speech^ 
which comes from the mouth ; as this passes 
swiftly, so swiftly fly our years." In such way 
al»o do Rashi and Aben Ezra explain the word, 

what rapidity our years pass away. The transla- 
tors of the Bible Version may have Intended the 
words, a tale that is told^ to correspond with the 
Latin words sermo or loquela. Rosenraiiller (ut 




I venture to send you some further remarks 
in addition to your own —respecting the meaning 

;) appears to give the meaning of the 
pression : " Evanescunt vitse nostrse dies, sicut 
verbum emissum in aerem statim dissolvitur, 
neque revocari amplius potest/* 

But I am inclined to consider the wtret apax^iq 
of the Septuagint version, and the sicut aranea of 

rendering of the 

the Vulgate, the most 


the Syriac agrees with 

of the latter portion of Psalm xc. 9 ; Vul_ 
Psalm Ixxxix. 

The only difficulty arises from the obscurity of 
the Hebrew word HJn. Professor Lee, in his 

Hierozoicon (Cap. XXIL tc 
i.) supposes that in the Hebr 
'e used bv the LXX.. anotl 

Hebrew, Chaldee, and English Lexicon {siib voce)^ 
translates it as meaning a murmur^ ivhich gradii- 



word, 7103, was then found, with the meaning 

sicut aranea^ which is almost the same in Arabic. 
(See Rosenmuller's Scholia in Vetus Testamentum^ 
Pars Psalmos continens, tom. iii. p. 2300, ed. 


tatio : so also does Gesenius (Z 
Heb. et Chaldaicum). Castell (sub voce) gives 
several meanings, as, sermo^ loquela^ gemitus^ mur- 
mur, and refers to this Psalm. 

Foreign Thpo 

H^--- ^^.. 

on the Psalms, vol. xii. in Clark's 





Sheridan's Greek (S^'^ S. iii. 209.) — Another 

version of the story of Loi'd Belgrave's quotation 
from Demosthenes in the House of Commons, is 

will not admit tliat the word can mean a conver- given by Mr. De Quincey 

sation, or tale; but prefers the translation — a 
soliloquy, because it generally bears the character 
of somcthinfT transitory. 


examining the ancient Syria 

Bihlia Polyglotta (Londini, 1656, tom. 

m % • 


in his '' Selections 
Grave and Gay. Autobiographic Sketches. Edin- 
burgh, 1854." Vol. ii. p. 40. IIerus Fuater. 

it^ IS remarkable to see how closely they agree 
with the rendering of the Septuagint Version. 
and with the Vulgate. 

Quotation Wanted (3^^ S. iv. 288.) 

" Stand still, iny steed, 
Let me review the scene" — 

is from Longfellow's poem, " A Gleam 
shine " 

if Sur 

E. V. 

Thus, in the Syriac we 
to quote the Latin translation: ''Nam 
Cuncti dies nostri confecti sunt indignatione tud; 
et defecerunt anni nostri sicut aranea." 

(3^** S. v. 55.) — Is the answer to the 


n * 



In the Arabic we have 


nostri finierunt, 



If we suppose the recipient of the gift to be an 
illegitimate child, and the lady its mother, I think 

anni nostri ceu textura araneae sunt labentes." 


In the -^thiop 

us : " Oiinnlnni 

the translation runs 
dies nostri defecerunt: 

this enigma. 

Cruel King Philip (2"^ S 

r. C. II. 

4 a 



nesd meditatl sunt." 

^ defecimus. Anni nostri sicut ara- 


Paraphrase (Targum) 


a different meaning 

The lines arc a paraphrase of Lucian : 

Kparuv 4(JLavT0v Svuarhs ^v* eSet^^T? Se iioi eV 'ywvihitfi 

/ a_r i.._y. -1 /I-.1 — r^.. < 1^ ' -..^w^/o 

J^^.?, as if it originally signified the 


mouth : " C 


turn oris in hyeme.'* i RosenmliUer (Scholia 



TaTy TpLoSoiS fj.eTairovi^T€s, 

Philonides. — ■*'Aro7ra Sirjyri rd irepl rwu jSacrzAeiW, Koi 


111. LipsiJB, 1804, p. 2298) remarks, that this mean- 
ing IS by no means to be rejected, j 

It seems to me, that all the various renderings 
of the Hebrew word can easily be reconciled one 

with anothpr. sinrl hn mntln tn «-.-^««^™ i1 


of the Psalmist 

which is, to show us with 

♦ This remark of course implies, that as the word il^H 

does not mean a spider, some other word was originally 
used, as Bochart supposes. Cappell, however, in his 
Critica Sacra (tom. ii. pp, 659-607), tries to reconcile the 
Septuagint rendering with the Hebrew, thus: "Anni 
nostri similes sunt telis araneafum, qua*? meditantuvj id 
est,' quas texunt/' One of the meanings given to the 
Hebrew noun is meditatio. which vou seem to prefer. 



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iiriara* rl Se 6 Sco/cpctTTjy eTrparre 

Xiyywu a-rravras' <Tvv(i(Ti S* aiTw flaXajUTjSTjy, kolL OSffT- 
<reyy, Kal NeVrwp, Kal e? Tis AoAos peKp6s' en /leuroi 
iTr€(pv(r7jTo avTcp Koi dLCf>^7]K€L ^K Trjs (papfiaKOTTOO'las ra 
aKcKr], d Se ^ekriaros Aioy€y7]s TrapoiK^t fxeu 'Xap^ av air aXcf 

Acavpicp Koi MfSa r^ 4>piry2 
TToXirreAwj', k.t.A. — ^e 

iii. 23. 

^AXoty Ticri tc3v 


56f?/; /n the 

World for a day or two, and let me 

know through the office of "N. Sc Q 
may send for it, I shall be greatly obliged. 

H. B, C. 

U. U. Club. 

Orbis Centrum (S'^ S. iv. 210.)— Ebn Hankal 

begins his Oriental Geography (p. 2 of Ouseley's 
translation) with the following sentence : 

"We begin with Arabia, because the Temple of the 
Lord is situated there, and the holy Kaaba is the Navel of 
the World:' 

Perhaps your correspondent does not know that 
the inhabitants of Boston (Massachusetts), with 
that self-laudatory spirit which they inherit to 
such a remarkable degree from their English an- 
cestors, call their city " the hub of the universe.'* 

J. C. Lindsay. 

St. Paul, Minnesota. 

Greek Proverbs (3*^^ S. iv. 28G) ; Greek 
Games (vols. iv. and v.); Ancient Humour 
(iv. 471). — "I shall be glad/' says Mr. W. Bowen 
KowLANDS, " of any examples of this saying vjAo; b 
T]\os in Greek authors.'' 

''"HAi| ?/AiKa T^pTref, &c. -^qualis ^qualem delectat.] 

Huic paria sunt, Semper similem ducit Deus ad similem, 

Clavum clavo et paxillum paxillo pepulisti; hoc est, er^ 

ratum altero errato curasti.'* — Proverhiorum Diogeniani 
Centuria V. 

''"HAo) rhv 'i\ov ^K/cpoueis.] Pollux, lib. ix. Onomast. 
originem refert ad ludum quem KivZaKicrixhv Grseci nomi- 



Verum cindalismus ludus 

est paxillorum. KivZaKovs enim paxillos vocaveruut. 
Opus autem erat non modo paxillum terra? argillosaein- 
figere, sed etiam infixum elidere verberantem caput altero 

paxillo. Unde etiam proverbium manavit, "HAco rhv ^\oVy 

TraTTaAw rhv itarnkKov^ Clavo clavum, et paxillo paxil- 
lum." ^ ^ 

Schottus, the editor of Adagia, sive Proverhia 
GrcBCorum ex Zenohio seu Zenodoto, Diogeniano^ et 
SiiidcB Collectaneis, Antverpiae, 1612, folio, refers 
in loc. {SiddcB Cent, vii.) to Hieronymi Epist. ad 
Rusticum Monachum^ and to Erasmus, Chil. i. 
Cent. ii. initio, who quotes Publii Syri Mimus, 
" Nunquam periculum sine periclo vincitur." 
There is an English proverb not unlike— viz. 
" Every man cannot hit the naile on the head." 
And the Greek word ^Kos reminds us of an in- 
stance of patristic humour, Chrysost. in 2 Cor. xi., 

Oi Xajcri^oyr^s iiKovs^ cAeouy &^LOt^ quoted in Alex. 

Mori in Novum Foedus Notce, ed. by J. A. Fabri- 
cius, Hamburg!, 1712, ad Act. xxvi. v. 14. 



The Shamrock and the Blessed Trinity 
(3'*^ S. V. 61.) — I request you will kindly allow me 
to correct a serious mistake which I inadvertently 
made in my remarks on " St. Patrick and the 
Shamrock." The proper expression should have 
been, — "As a faint illustration of Three distinct 
Persons, united in one Divine Nature.^'' Instead 
of using the word Nature, I unfortunately wrote 


J. Dalton. 

Trade and Improvement of Ireland (3*^^ S. 
V. 35.) — The second part of the Essay on the above 
subject was published in Dublin in 1731, and 
dedicated to the Duke of Dorset, at that date 
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. The author was a 
member of the Dobbs family of Antrim, among 
whom are several names of distinguished literary 

The second portion of the Essay is replete with 
curious and reliable information on the social and 
industrial condition of Ireland 140 years ago. I 
happened to open that part at p. 96, where the 
author notices one remarkable impediment to 
industry, which happily has been in great part 
removed within the last thirty years. I mean, 
the great number of holidays. He writes : 
" There are forty-nine more holidays in Ireland 
than our law allows, including St. Patrick's day, 
his Wifes^ and his Wife's Mother's'' Now, on 
referring to the life of the great Apostle of Ire- 
land from the pen 

biographer, Dr. Todd, I cannot find any mention 
whatever of his wife, or whether he left offspring 
to transmit his name and virtues to Posterity; 
though the learned Doctor informs us, pp. 353-4, 
that the Saint's ancestry, both on father's and 
mother's side, were highly respectable ; and quotes 
Patrick's own statement to that effect in the cele- 
brated epistle against Coroticus : " Ingenuus sum 
secundum carnem ; nam Decurione patre nascor," 
&c. It is conjectured that it was this passage 
which suggested the composition of the ancient 
Irish ballad — 

" St. Patrick was a gentleman, and born of decent people." 

I enclose my card for T. B., who is welcome to 

of his most distinguished 

any further information from 

J. L. 


^y^ S. V. 63, 82.) — It 

terest Abhba to know that I possess an impres^^ 
sion of a book-plate of the Dobbs' family. The 
arms on it are those of Dobbs' quartering Dalway,' 
with an escutcheon of pretence for Osborne. There 
is no name printed on it, but I have assigned it to 
Arthur Dobbs, as I find from Burke's Landed 

^ y 


I heiress of the Osborne family. 

H. M 

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KiNDLiE Tenants (3^^ S. iv. 355.) — The ex- 
tract from the supplement to Jamieson's Diction- 
ary does not exactly answer H. E. N/s question. 
Dr. Jamieson was a divine, not a lawyer ; but 
even in the popular Scotch law-books (see Burton's 
Manual^ p. 292), the answer given applies more 
precisely to what are termed *^rentallers" than to 
the peculiar class of holders called kindly tenants^ 
known only to exist in Annandale and Orkney. 
Perhaps the following interesting extract from a 
work written so far back as 1842, but still excel- 
lent, affords the most definite information. Speak- 
ing of four contiguous villages called Four Towns, 
in the parish of Lochmaben, Fullertons Gazetteer^ 
vol. i. p. 588, says : 

" The villages are Hightae with 400 inhabitants, Green- 
hill with 80, and Heck and Smallholm witli about 70 
each. The lands are a large and remarkably fertile tract 
of holm and haugh, stretching along the west side of the 
river Annan from the immediate vicinity of Lochmaben 
Castle, the original seat of the royal family of Bruce, to 
the southern extremity of the parish. The inhabitants of 
the villages oxt proprietors of the lands, and hold them by 
a species of tenure nowhere else known in Scotland, 
except in the Orkney Islands; and they have from time 
immemorial been called *The King's Kindly Tenants,' 
and occasionally the * Rentallers of the Crown/ The lands 
originally belonged to the Kings of Scotland, or formed 
part of their proper patrimony, and were granted, as is 
generally believed, by Bruce, the Lord of Annandale, on 
his inheriting the throne, to his domestic servants, or to 
the garrison of the castle. The rentallers were bound to 
provision the royal fortress, and probabl} 
in its defence. 

to carry arms 
Thev have no charter or seisin, and hold 

their title by mere possession, and can alienate their pro- 
perty by a deed of conveyance, and procuring for the 
purchaser enrolment in the rental-book of Lord Stormont. 
The new possessor pays no fee, takes up his succession 
without service, and in his turn is proprietor simply by 
actual possession. The tenants were in former times so 
annoyed by the constables of the castle that they twice 
made appeals to the crown ; and on both occasions — in the 
reigns respectively of James VL and Charles IL — they 
obtained orders under the royal sign-manual to be al- 
lowed undisturbed and full possession of their singular 
rights. In more recent times, at three several dates, these 
rights were formally recognised by the Scottish Court of 
Session, and the British House of Peers.'* 

This, then, is a species of holding sai generis^ 
and altogether ditTerent from the low cottiers of 
the laird's rental-book, because the law will not 
recognise these unless there be two things in 
existence besides mere possession — there must be 
a lease, and there must be a rent. 

SiioLTO Macduff. 

Quotations Wanted (3"^^ S. v. 62, 83.) — In 
the verses quoted, the word est is unfortunately 
printed instead of scit^ so that the point and anti- 
thesis are marred. The lines should run thus : 



F. C. H. 

Baptismal Names (3'** S. iv.508.) — I can sup- 
ply an instance of a Christian name which strikes 

" • i 

me as more curious and unaccountable than any 
mentioned in your columns. The present Vicar 
of Canon Pyon, Herefordshire, is the Rev. R. 
Cockatoo Dawes. I should be interested in hear- 
any other instance of this euphonious 

R. C. L. 

in<j of 


Passage in Tennyson (3''*^ S. v. 75.) — I cannot 
see that there is any particular allusion in the 
second line of the passage : 

*• Go, vexed spirit, sleep in trust; 
The right ear that is filled with dust 
Hears little of the false or just." 

The words M. 0. gives in italics, are simply an 
expression for the peace and silence of the grave. 
The specification of the right is not uncommon, as 




Alfred Bunn (3'''^ S. v. 55.^ — Mrs. Bunn, the 
mother of Alfred Bunn, about the year 1819, kept 
a lady's school at South Lambeth. D. N. 



Stereoscopic Vieivs of the Ruins of Copayi, Central America^ 
taken by Osbert Salvin, M.A. 

We are indebted to Messrs. Smith, Beck, & Beck for a 
series of Stereoscopic Views, which cannot fail to interest 
alike the antiquary and the ethnologist. They consist of 
Photographs of Monoliths and other sculptured remains 
of Indian art from the ruins of Copan, which is situated 
in the republic of Honduras, close to the frontier of Gua- 
temala. That these monuments are connected with the 
ancient worship of the country there can be little doubt 
though the date of their erection, and the race of Indians 
by whom they were erected, are alike unknown. Mr. 
Salvin does not look upon them as of remote antiquity, 
for the stone of which they are formed is not one capable 
of offering great resistance to the action of the weather, 
and it is therefore matter of congratulation that such 
effective representations of them have been secured. Some 
of the monoliths are very striking, so is the representa- 
tion of the Jaguar's Head, the Square Stone with Hiero- 
glyphics, and especially that containing a Head, and other 
sculptured stones. The whole series, indeed, must be most 
acceptable to ethnological students. 

Bibliotfteca Cliethamensis : Sive Bihliothecce Puhlicce Man^ 
cuniensis^ab Iliunfredo Chethani armigero fundatce^ Cata- 
log? Tomiis IV.f exhibens Libros in varias Classes pro 
Varietate Argumenti distributos. Edidit Thomas Jones, 
.A., Bibliothecce supra dictoi Custos. (Simms, INIan- 

The readers of "N. & Q." have seen in the contribu- 
tions to our pages of the learned Librarian of theChethara 
Library such unquestionable evidence of his erudition, 
diligence, and knowledge of books, as to render any com- 
mendation of the present Catalogue perfectly uncalled for. 
A glance at the four goodly volumes of the Chetham 
Catalogue is suflScient to call forth from all reading men 
their congratulations to the people of Manchester on the 
possession of so valuable a library, and also of a Librarian 
who strives so zealously to tarn that library to good ac- 



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New Testament for English Reac 

'*horised Version^ with Marginal I 
and Renderhigs^ Marginal Refe 


cal and Explanatory Commentary. By Henry Alford, 
D,D., Dean of Canterbury. Vol /. Part IL The Gos- 
pel of St. John, and the Acts of the Apostles. (Riving- 


We have so recently called attention to the First Part 
of this very useful work, that we may content ourselves 
with announcing its satisfactory progress. The present 
portion, it will be seen, extends to the conclusion of the 
Acts of the Apostles. 

Cre-Fydd's Family Fare, The Young Housewife's Daily 
Assistant i^i all Matters relating to Cookery and House- 

keeping, 8^x. By Cre-Fydd. (Simpkin &. Marshall.) 

There are three recommendations to this new Manual 
of Domestic Economy— 1st, the receipts are practically 
available for the moderate and economical, yet reasonably 
luxurious, housekeeper; 2ndly, they have been tested, 
and served on the table of the authoress, and passed the 
ordeal of fastidious and critical palates; and, lastly, the 
quantity of every ingredient used is carefully given, as 
well as*the exact time requh-ed for cooking. Cre-Fydd 
has in this way done good service to her countrywomen, 

and their husbands, 

Arundel Society. — The annual publications of this 

Society for the year 18G3 will be — a chromo-lithograph 
from a drawing by Signor Mariannecci, after F. Lippi's 
fresco "The liaising of the King's Son;'' another from 
Masolino's " SS. Peter and John giving Alms;" two life- 
size heads from the same; and a line engraving, after Fra 
Angelico's picture " St. Stephen thrust out of the City," 
in the Chapel of Nicholas the Fifth, in the Vatican. 
These will appear in a few* weeks. At the same time will 
appear two extra publications : — 1, A chromo-lithograph 
after Fra Angelico's picture, "The Annunciation," in the 
Convent of St. Marco, Florence; 2. " The Conversion of 
Hermogenes," after Masaccio's picture in the Eremitani, 
Padua. The annual publications by the Arundel Society, 
for 1864, will consist of a chromo-lithograph after Luini's 
fresco at Sorotmo, "The Presentation n\ the Temple; " a 
ftiU-sized head from the same; an engraving of "The 
Conversion of Saul," after the tapestry in the Vatican, 
designed by Raphael, and comprised in the series repre- 
sented by the Hampton Court Cartoons (the cartoon of 
"The Conversion of Saul" is lost), and a line engraving, 
continuing the series after Fra Angelico's pictures in the 
Chapel of Nicholas the Fifth, from the picture of " St. 
John." By way of occasional publication there will be 
added to next year's issue a chromo-lithograph, after Luini's 
picture at Soronno, "Christ among the Doctors." M. 
Schultz, who made the drawing from Memling's famous 
triptych in the Hospital of St. John, Bruges, for the So- 
ciety, is to superintend the process of chromo-lithograph- 
ing his own work. This will be done in Paris. If the 
copyist is as successful with the reproduction as he has 
been in his more immediate work, the result will have 
the highest value. Independently of its Art value, the 
original is interesting for containing a portrait of Mem- 
ling looking through a window in the central part of the 
triptych, as if a spectator of the scene it represents, ** The 
Adoration of the Magi."* On the opposite side of this 
composition kneels Brother Jan Floreins, donor of the 
picture to the hospital. On the left wing is painted the 
** Presentation in the Temple," on the right "The Nati- 
vity." The exterior panels of the work, which protect 
those within, are respectively painted with figures of St. 

John with the Lamb, and St. Veronica holding the guda- 



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CONTENTS.— No. 110. 

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Those who publish the private diaries of de- 
ceased persons, or extracts from them, are apt to 
fall into the error of biographers. They feel a 
tenderness towards the writer, and omit anything 
which may show him unfavourably. Obiection 
may be taken to this practice, even when the 
diarist is only speaking of himself. But, when he 
is speaking of others, and especially when he is 
speaking against others, such omission may be a 
grave wrong to those who are represented. It 
may be that the omitted parts would completely 
destroy the value of the whole testimony. Sup- 

f)Ose, for instance, a person of some name should 
eave memoranda imputing delinquencies of vari- 
ous kinds to various persons ; suppose that, among 
the rest, it should be found that the late Duke 
of Wellington either wanted courage and con- 
duct in the field, or, was bribed by the enemy. 
If at a future time these memoranda should 
find a publisher or an extractor, who should 
omit the slander on the Duke and retain what is 
said about others who would not be so well 
known, it is clear that those others would not be 
treated with historical fairness. The editor pr 
extractor might very innocently think only of his 
author, and of the wretched fi;:ure 
make : but his readers have a right to expect 
thaC^ be should think of them, and of the other 
parties assailed. 

he would 




coarse remarks which Reuben Burrow wrote in 
the fly-leaf of a book. In giving them I had a 
meaning which I did not explain. Two years be- 
fore, some extracts from the diary of Reuben 
Burrow had been published in a scientific journal : 
these extracts contained various disparagements, 
which possibly might be slanders; accompanied 

by the 
graphy, that 



taken from a friendly bio- 
habits had been formed by 

casualty and the necessities of the moment rather 
than by design and the prudent hand of a master." 
Ihis biography also describes him as having, in 
private life, '' some of those excentricities which 
frequently, attend genius, though by no means 
necessarily." This gentle allusion to the habits 
of a man whose stories about other persons were 
put into print, induced me to publish the fly-leaf 
above alluded to. I then knew nothing of the 
journal or diary, except the extracts. I have 
lately been made aware that the extractor, a 
friend from whom I am 


to differ widely 
in this matter, presented the diary to the library 
of the Astronomical Society soon after the com- 
pletion of the extracts. I am thus enabled to 
supply deficiencies, and to give the character of 
this accuser of the brethren in the manner in 
which I hold it ought to have been given. 

It is very gratifying to think that such " ex- 
centricities " in private life as Burrow exhibited 

not " necessarily '' the accompaniments of 

genius." Even in his day the gifted man would 
not often leave to his son 
note book in which obscene epigrams are recorded, 
and in which the dismissal of a servant is noted 
with his name mispelt into the foulest word in 
the language, vowels and all. But this is pos- 


and three daughters a 

sibly consistent with truthful evidence, and sound 
judgment upon the conduct of others. For a 
specimen of the reliance to be placed on Burrow 
in these particulars, I shall content myself with 
quoting the following passage. He was starting 


for India, and Lord Howe, with the fleet which 
was to relieve Gibraltar, protected the India 
fleet for a time, and then left them a convoy : 

^' The weather continned pretty much the same till 
the end of September, and the Avind was sometimes 
favorable; vet Howe never took the least advantaf]:e of 
it; but on Sept. 30, when we were in lat. 48° 6', and the 
French West India fleet were expected every moment 
with five ships of the line, this scoundrel Howe left us 
entirely to ourselves, with only a fifty-gun ship to take 
care of us, and went away from us, though he might 
have convoyed us a much greater distance without the 
least interference with his destination. From the stu- 
pidity and carelessness of this rascal's behaviour, I can 
have no other opinion but that he and his brother are a 
couple of cowardly scoundrels, or else that they are bribed 
by the enemy : for I am certain that they might by this 
time (Oct. 6) have been all at Gibraltar; and indeed 
much sooner, had thej'' used the least industry or con- 
trivance. What damned stupidity this cursed nation of 
ours has fallen into. Though this cursed rogue and his 



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brother have already behaved in the worst manner pos- 
sible in America, yet they are now trusted with another 
expedition " 

At the time In question, Lord Howe had run a 
very brilliant career : and as he did relieve Gibral- 



I send for insertion, if you think them worthy 
of a place In *^N. & Q.," a few more papers from 
my collections regarding Sir Walter Raleigh, his 
tar according to instructions, and as the India fleet friends, and relatives : the dates of some of them 
was not hurt by the French, we may surmise that are uncertain, as no year is mentioned; and as to 

The whole of the above others the commencement of the year, whether on 
passage is omitted in the extracts, though parts January 1 or on March 25, will make a differ- 
before and after come under marks of quotation, ence, for which, of course, allowance must not be 

he knew how to manasie. 

This omission is not due to supposed Irrelevancy 
or want of interest, for it is quoted that the car- 
penter had forgotten to close the ports, by which 
the water came in and created alarm. I hold 
that enou^b ou^ht to have been o;iven to show 
what kind of person the writer was. Having ex- 
amined the stories M'hich ho tells about other 
mathematicians, I find much reason to think that 
lie is no more to be depended on about them than 
about Lord Howe. His plan seems to be, to take a 
rumour, or the gossip of an acquaintance, and to 
erect It into a positive fact of a decided character. 
There is an old joke — it seems to have been no 

a^jainst Hallev, which has lived in oral 
tradition, and I think has been printed. Halley 
was sent to Germany by the Royal Society to 
examine the astronomical methods of Hevelius, 
and it was the laugh of his friends against him 
that he had flirted — as we now say — with Mrs. 
Hevelius, and made her husband jealous. Such 
bndinage was sure to arise — especially In the 
reign of Charles 11. — where a younir and hi<^hlv 

accomplis>hed single man was entertained m 
house of a friend who had a handsome wife, B 


row affirms that Halley betraved tlie confidence of 
his liost to the utmost, and uses the phiinest words. 
I have given enough to show that Reuben 
Burrow must not be taken as a witness against 
the character of any other person. I may add 
that he records nothing but what is dispararrino-, 
nothing — or just next to nothing — to the honour 
or credit of any one whom he mentions. His 
antipathy to Wales, the hero of the abuse trans- 
cribed by me, as above mentioned — and with 
whom^ he seems to have been on terms of friendly 
acquaintance while fly-leafing him in every one 
of his works — has some of its sources laid open. 
The chief of them seems to be that to Mrs. 


es he attributes the lies 


about Mrs. Burrow 

as he calls 




and a swelled face to some of her husband's ex- 
centricities which attend genius, but not neces- 
sarily, in private life. This is the most credible 
aspersion of Burrow's whole lot. His biographer 
admits that he was an occasional pugilist; the 
witness is one against whom nothing has ever 
been produced ; and the story is, taking all we 
know of Burrow, naturjvl and provable in its 


A. De Morgan 

omitted. The documents were copied by me 
from the originals at various periods, some of 
them as fur back as the year 1830 or 1831. 
Addressed in Raleigh's hand thus : 

*^ For her ma^^ speciall affairs. To the right honor^^e 
my very good L. the L*^ Cobham, L^^ Warden of the 
Cinkportes, her ma^^^ leiftenant generall of Kent, att 
Plymouthe. From Sherborne the 13 of Aug. at 12 in 
the night. Post hast, hast, post with spede. Hast, post 
hast, hast for life. 

** I have seat your L. M^ Secretories letter, by which 
you may perceve tliat 8 sayle of Spaniards ar entred into 
our seas as high as S* Mallos. Your L. may see that if 
you "vveare not loose, you should be tied above for a while. 
If you needs will into Cornwale, then make hast, or I 
think yow Avilbe sent for. I can say no more, butt that 
I am your Lordshipp's before all that leve. 

" W. Ralegh." 

Lady Raleigh added the following postscript in 
her own hand-writinij : — 

"And I could disgest this last word of Sur Wal tar's 
letter, I wold expres my love likewise: but unly this: I 
agree and am in all with Sur Waltar, and most in his 
Love to you: I pray hasten your returne for the eleket 
sake, that we may see the bathe to gether. 

" Your trew poore Irind, E. Ralegh." 

(Indorsed) " 17 Janr, 1595. S^ Jo. Gilbert to Sir Wa. 
Ealeghe. Report of a Frenchman latelie come out of 

" To my ho. good brother, syr Walter Raylygh, Knyght, 
lo. warden off the Staner^^s and capta3aie of her ma- 
jestys garde, att Sherborne. 

" My ho. good brother. Heare arryved, yn this ses- 
shons weake, a Frenche mane which came owt of Spayne, 
and ys servante too my Lis. off the gowarsen, who re- 
portes that the Kynge of Spayne has seante all his forces 
of Spanyards and Itallyans from Cartagena too the Duke 
of Savoye, and soo into the lowe cowntryes; and they 
cary Avith theame 3 myllions off money for paye of the 
sodgers theare. Antony Godderde demandyd off him 
whether the Kynge of Spayne seante any forses 3''nto the 
Indes to the empyer of Gvvyana? he awnswyrd that of 
that empyer he harde nott, but the Kynge ^had seante 
forses too the dell awradoo [the El Dorado'\, and made 
proclamasyonthorro Spayne, that they that woldeshulde 
have lyberty to goo with theare wy ves and chyldreane. 
The fyrste attempte that the Spanyardes pre'tende to 
make wilbe agaynste flushynge, and soo upon Inglande; 
and theare wilbe and ys reddy yn Spayne and in the 
stretes 100 saylle off shyppes, '^ga'^lly asses and gallys, to 
sett saylle by the ende off february: more I have not 
harde. The Lo. bleasse all yowr actyons. Exter, thys 
17 off Janowarv, 1595. 


** Yowres for ever too be commandyd, 

(Indorsed) "16 Mar. 1595, S^ Jo. Gilbert to S^ Wa.' 
Ralegh." , " 

•i -> 




><>S.V. rKB.6,'64.] 



« Too my ho. good brother, syr Walter Raylygh, Knyght, 

Lo. Warden off the Stanerys, and captayne of her 

majesty's garde. 

« My ho. good brother. Ileare are arryvyd 3 fly 

bottes from Saynt Lncar, which came from thense the 

26 of february laste, who reporte that theare are theare 

20 ^ 

ri oof p 

off Spayne. Theare came owte of Saynt Lucar, yn theare 
company, sertyne shyppes which w^eant for Lusborne, 
loden with 1400 tones off corn too be bakyd ynto bysky 
fbr the kynges provysion; and theare came at thatt 
tyme too other greatte shyppes too Saynt Lucar, off GOO 
tones apesse, too lode corne and too retorne too Lusborne. 
" They further reporte that the Kynge bofte G hulkes 
off 200 tones apesse, which are gone to the dell awrado. 

saj'lles of men of war amakinge reddy, butt nott with 
;te ; wheareoff 5 of theame are of the greteste shypps 

full of men, womene, and chylderne, and vyttells ; wheare 
off theare weante 1400 soldyers, 
" Theare are arrvvvd att Si 

nt Lukar, abowte anvekes 
paste, 3 of the Kynges frygottes, which brafte from 
Saynte Jolin de Porteryka 2 myllions and a halfe of 
sylver, as the reporte was amongeste merchantes; and 
that syr francys Drake rechyd theare owtewarde : at 
that tyme they were alodynge off the tresure. He en- 
teryd the harbors with hys pynasses, and fyryd one of 
the frygottes. Syr francys cowlde nott enter the har- 
boor with his shyppes, for they had sunke a fr3^gotte yn 
the harboro, and by that meanes lost both the towne, 
treasure, and frygottes. Thys ys all that I can at thys 
presaunte advertys yow off; and soo levynge to treble 
vow, I commyt yow to the protectyon oif the AUm^'ghty. 
iFrom Greanewage this IG off marclie, 1595. 


Youres for ever to be commandvd, 

'' John Gilberte." 

The following paper seems to have reference to 
the Expedition to Cadiz, under the Earl of Essex ; 
it is without date or indorsement : 

** And because it may happen by fight, or otherwise, 
that you, our Admirall of these forces committed to your 
charge, may miscarrye in this action (which God, we 
hope, will prevent), we have thought good (providinge 
for all events) to appovnt and authorize in such extre- 
mitye our Servant S^ Walter Raleigh, Captayne of our 
Guard, and Lieutenant of our County of Cornewalle, to 
take the charge of our said fleet and forces, beinge now 
our Vice-admyrall of the same. And in the meane while 
that he be assistant unto you in all your enterprises and 
attemptes, and all other resolutions and determinations 
for these our services, as well for the annoyance of the 
Enemye as for the safegarde of our fleet, and forces afore- 
sayd. In wytnes whereof we have caused these our 
Letters to be made Patentes, to contynue duringe our 
pleasure. — Witnes our self," &c. 

J. Payne Collier. 

P.S. From a MS. volume of miscellaneous 
poetry and prose, in the library at Bridgewater 
House, I extracted the following; but it strikes 
me that I have seen it in print, and if any of the 
correspondents of *'N, & Q/' can tell me where 

the lines are to be found, I shall be obliged to 



" Here lyes the noble Warryor that never blunted sword : 
Here lyes the noble Courtier that never kept his word ; 
Here Ives his Excellency that governM all the State; 
Here fyes the L. of Leicester that all the world did 


It is still the custom in parts of Pembrokeshire, 
on Twelfth-night, to carry about a wren. 

The wren is secured in a small house made of 
wood, with door and windows — the latter glazed. 
Pieces of ribbon of various colours arc fixed to 
the rid<T^e of the roof outside. Sometimes, several 

wrens are brought in the same cage ; and often- 
times a stable-lantern, decorated as above-men- 
tioned, serves for the wren's house. The pro- 
prietors of this establishment go round to the 
principal houses in their neighbourhood : where, 
accompanying themselves with some musical in- 
strument, they announce their arrival by sin^^ing 
the '' Song of the Wren." The wren's visit is a 
source of much amusement to children and ser- 
vants; and the wren's men, or lads, are usually 
invited to have a draught from the cellar, and 
receive a present in money. The "^ Song of tlie 
Wren" is generally encored; and the proprietors 
very commonly commence high life below stairs, 
dancing with the maid-servants, and saluting them 
under the kissing-bush— where there is one. I 
have lately procured a copy of the song sung on 
this occasion. I am not aware that it is in print. 
I am told that there is a version of this song in 
the Welsh lan2:ua(]fe, which is in substance very 
near to that given below : — 


" Joy, health, love, and peace. 
Be to you in this place. 
By your leave we will sing, 
Concerning our king r 
Our king is well drest, 
In silks of the best; 
With his ribbons so rare. 
No king can compare. 
In his coach he docs ride, 
With a great deal of pride ; 
And with four footmen 
To wait upon him. 
We were four at watch, 
And all nigh of a match ; 
And with powder and ball, 
We fired at his hall. 
We have travell'd many miles, 
Over hedges and stiles, 
To find you this king, 
Which we now to you bring. 
Now Christmas is past, 
Twelfth-dav is the last. 
Th' Old Year bids adieu 
Great joy to the New." 

It would appear, from the ninth line of the 
song, that the wren at one time used to occupy a 
coach, or that her house was placed upon wheels. 

TK^ ^rr^r^A ui.oll" ig fitly uscd for the wren's 

The word 



Wa. Ra." 

nest: it is really a "hall/' or covered place. 

it is from the shape of his nest, that the wren gets 

his name, raeaning covered. 

The reference to " powder and bair* is curious ; 
and there is another song about the wren, still 



ra'd S. V. Feb. 6, '64 

survivinfj in this district, which contains a refer- 

ence to guns and cannons. 

I regret that I can 

only remember two verses ; and as far as I know, 
they are not printed : 



it « 

Where are you going ? ' says the millder to the maiden 
' Where are you going? ' says the younger to the elder. 

* I cannot tell,' savs Fizzledvfose: 

* To catch cutty wroiiy says John the-red-nose. 

*' * How will you get him ? ' says the millder to the malder. 
' How will you get him ? ' says the younger to the elder. 

* I cannot tell,' says Fizzledyfose : 

'With guns and great cannons/ says John the-red- 

" When ye hande shaketh memento 
When ye lippes blacketh confessio 



\ .\ 

When ye winde wanteth satisfactio 
When ye voise roleth mei miserere 
When ye limmes fayletb libera nos don 
When ye eyes holloweth nosce teipsum 
For ther doth forbere(?) vade ad judici 

I will conclude this with an acrostic hymnj 
where I copied it I quite forget : 




Perhaps I ought not to call this a song, as I 
never heard it sung, and it is very little known 
here ; but I suspect it used to be sung when the 
party of seekers were setting out in search of 
the wren, which they wanted for the Twelfth- 

The wren here is generally called, by the com- 
mon people, " cutty wron," or " cutty wran." 

Query. What are the meanings of the words 
" millder '' and " malder " ? J. Tombs. 


In a MS, ci'rra 1450: 

"Quae librum scripsit ipsum 
Videat in patria Jesum Christum. 


In a Salisbury book, 1527 : — 

" Mi bewte ys fayr ye may well see 
Wherfor I y^nke mi"^mast' Dygbe 
Whersomever ye me see or happyn to mette 
I dwel -vv' mi master Dygbe in Lym Strette 
Wheresomever I am in viiage towne or cite 
Mi dwellyiig is in Lyme Stretwith mi master digbe 
Pore pepuU for mi master digbe doth py (pray) 
For he refreshyt them both night and day 
Many a poore body ye may here see 
Pray for that ma — ^ mi master digbe 
Mi master digbe is of London noble cite 
Wherein I was made & had mi fayre bewte 
Poor men & rich men of evry degree 
Is bound to pray for mi master Digbe 
Whosoever in me doth look & rede 
Pray for mi master Digbe— God be hvs spede 
Ml master digbe dwellethe in Lvme Strett 
Wher mony a noble marchand there doth mette/' 

Time of Elizabeth 

" Omnipotens Christe 
Mihi Salter cui constat hber 

Dogmata plura dare." 


" Si tibi copia — si sapientia formaque detur, 
Sola superbia destruit omnia si domiuetur." 

The following, from a book formerly belonging 
to the celebrated John Dey, the astrologer: 

"In Dei Nomine Amen. 
The thirde day of December a^ Dili 1576. I. Thomas 
Watson of Walton in the county of " 

" I llustrator mentium 
E rector lapsorum 
S anctificator cordium 
V itajustorum 

S alus peccatorum 

M ater orphanorum 
A djutrix lapsorum 
li efugium miserorum 
I lluminatris c^corum 
A dvocata peccatorum." 



J , O. J . 


In readinji Dr. D. Wilson's interesting work on 

the Pre-historic Annals of Scotland, I was struck 
with the resemblance of the inscription on the 
Newton stone (vol. ii. p. 214,) to those of certain 
rocks in North-west India. It appears that Col. 
Sykes also detected the similarity. In short, the 
letters — the powers of which are well known, and 
with the appearance of which I am familiar — are 
almost precisely those of the Arian variety en- 
graved on the sepulchral stones of the topes^ and 
in other Buddhistic Inscriptions found in Affghan- 
istan, the ancient Arian a. The characters are 
known as the Arian or Bactrian, and are closely 
related to the Phoenician. The letter like O is, 
however, not in the Arian ; but in the Phoenician 
it has the power of the Hebrew ayin, V. There 
is one word, at the end of the fourth line, which 
is in the Lat character — the oldest form of Saa- 
scrit : this word is Nesher. 

so clear a clue, I readily wrote the 
whole inscription in equivalent Hebrew letters, 


til us : 

nnn ^n>o^ 

vw "»y "3X nn 

mn 'iv^ ysK' 

In English letters, thus : 

domiti babeth 
zuth Ab-ham-hpwha 
min phi Nesher 
chii caman 
sh'p'ha joati hodhi. 

-■ I 



. . > 

^ X 



S"-* S. V. Feb. 6, '64.] 



-w - ^ 

that we find an Inscription in the 

• It will be observed that the lines are arranged 
in measure : three lines of four syllables, and 

three of five. 

The words are unmistakably Hebrew, with 
Chaldaic admixture, as in the word man (j^^^) 5 
and the literal rendering is as follows : 

" Silently I rest In the tomb ;* Ab^ham'howha'f 
is in the home of splendour. From the mouth 
(or doctrine) of Neshe7%\, my life was as an over- 
flowing vessel ; iny wisdom Avas my glory.'* 

The word Nesher beinij inscribed in the ancient 
Sanscrit character, employed by the early Bud- 
dhists, indicates that the person so named was an 
ancient teacher of the doctrines of Buddha, from 
the first seat of Buddhism; and that the person 
commemorated on this sepulchral stone, as one 
instructed by this teacher, was himself a Buddhist 

The fact 
Arian and Lat character of India, known to be 
Buddhistic, on a tombstone of very early date in 
such a place, is sufficient proof that a Buddhist 
cohmy was established there at the time of its 
erection. The form of the letters in the word 
Nesher^ is certainly that of the Sanscrit of the 
fifth century b.c. 

From Buddhistic history we know that, soon 
after the death of Godama Buddha, or Sakya, mis- 
sionaries went out in all directions to promulgate 
his doctrines. This occurred about five hundred 
years b.c. Northern mytholojry plainly indicates 
its connection with India and Buddhism. 

But the most interesting circumstance is the 
Hebrew character of the inscription on the 
Newton stone, though the letters themselves re- 
semble those in use in North-western India at 
the period of Buddhist ascendency, and both the 
ancient Sanscrit form of letter and that of the 
Arian are found together in several instances on 

the same rock, as transcripts of the same inscrip- 
tion and in the same lan^uaire. 

How can an inscription, presenting examples 
of both those forms of letters, and expressing 
Hebrew words, and found in Scotland, be ac- 
counted for? There are numerous evidences 
that many of the Israelites, especially those of the 
Ten Tribes, wandered from the place of their 
captivity into Bactria and North-western India, 
and there became Buddhists. Traces of such 
persons are found in several parts of Europe, but 
especially in Great Britain ; where an extensive 
Hebrew influence, and y^ not Jewish, was cer- 
tainly established at a very ^arly period. Among 
the several facts connecting this Hebrew influ- 
ence In Britain with Buddhism, is a singular pas.- 

i . 

fc ^ 

• IlISJ, mound, tumulus or vault 
t I, take this to be adopted as a proper nam 
fying father of a wrong-doing or perverse people. 
X Nesher, in Hebrew, means an eaerle. 


sage quoted by the Rev. E. Davies, in his work 
on the Mythology of the British Druids (Appen- 
dix, No. 12). The passage consists of four short 
lines, which Mr. Davies suspected might be 
Hebrew ; in consequence of Taliessin, the Welsh 
bard, having stated that the bardic lore was de- 
rived from a Hebrew or Hebraic source. The 
lines referred to are in an ancient Druidical hymn 
in praise of Lludd the Great {Welsh ArchcBology^ 
p. 74). These lines are described as the prayer 
of five hundred men, who came in five ships. 
Mr. Davies transcribed the passage in Hebrew 
characters, but did not attempt to translate it. 
When literally rendered, however, even from Mr. 
Davies's transliteration, it makes verv irood Bud- 


dhistic sense. The Hebrew source of this passage 
is further indicated bv the fact, that those who 
used it are represented as saying : '^ We all at- 
tend upon Adonai," — the Hebrew name of the 


The Dannaan of Irish tradition are not un- 
likely to have been Israelites of the sailor-tribe 
Dan, who very early mingled with the maritime 
population of Zidonia (see Deborah's Song, &c.). 
Dr. Latham thinks it probable that the Danai of 
Homer, &C.5 were Danites. (Ethn. of Europe^ 
p. 137.J 

If the Dannaan of the Irish were Danites, we 
can account for the presence of Hebrews in Scot- 
land during the pre-historic period : for, as we 
are informed, the Tuatha de Dannaan introduced 
their monuments into Scotland, Ireland, and 
Wales, long before the Christian era. 

Then, as Great Britain was known to India 
before the death of Godama, we can understand 
how Israelitish converts to Buddhism there miijht 
also know that Hebrew colonists dwelt in Britain, 
and desire to join them ; and, according to the 
zeal (»f the time, introduce Buddhism. 

From the direct reading of the Newton stone, 
as well as from collateral evidence, there is then 
reason to conclude that it was erected to the 
memory of a Hebrew Buddhist missionary of 
some influence in pre-historic Scotland. The 
inscription in the Ogham character, on the same 
stone, is possibly a transcript in the same or an- 
other language, and may serve to test the cor- 
rectness of the reading thus confidently offered. 
• Can you favour me with Information concern- 
ing any other northern inscription in the same 
character ? And also inform me, where I may 
find a copy of the Ogham inscription on the New- 
ton stone ? Is there any published explanation 
of the Ogham alphabet? 

Geo. Moore, M.D. 




[3'-'« S. V. Feb. 6, '64 

Cardinal Beton and Archbishop Gawin 
Dunbar.— In the book of protocols or notarial 
instruments before the Reformation kept by nota- 



public, occasionally valuable facts 

are re- 

corded. Very many of these books have perished, 
but still there are several yet preserved. In 
lookinjT over certain extracts from the Protocols 
of Cuthbert Simon, the following entries occur : 

" Jacobus secundus Archiepiscopus Glasguensis Ordi- 
natus et consecratus fuit apud Striviling dominica in 
albis, viz. xv Aprilis, anno m, quinquagesuno nono et 
duravit usque ad quintum junii anno xxiij° et sedes 
turn vacavit per translationem ejus ad Archiepiscopatum 

Crt |-ipf 1 Andre 6 

" Jacobus quartus Scotorum rex coronatus fuit apud 
Sconaiu in die Sanctfe Marine Magdalene videlicet xxij 

Julii. , o^ • -r 

"Jacobus quintus coronatus fuit m castro de btriviling 
per Jacobum Glasguensem Archiepiscopuni xxij Sep- 
tembris, Anno Domini M, quinquagesimo xiij. 

" Gawinus Archiepiscopus Glasguensis consecratus fuit, 
Edinburgi quinta Februarii, Anno Domini m, quinquages- 

the first time in England at that festival. ^ This 
note has been retained, without comment, in the 
English translation (by Lady Wallace) of the 
LeUers. But the statement is incorrect, as there ■ 
had been three performances of the oratorio in 
England prior to that at the Birmingham Fes- 
tival on September 20, 1837. The first of these 
performances was at the Liverpool Musical Fes-^ 
tival, under the direction of Sir George Smart, 
on Friday morning, October 7, 1836 ; the second 

was 1 


imo xxxiuj 

on March 7, 1837, and the third by the same • 
body on September 12, in that year. The com- 
poser was present, as an auditor, at the latter 
performance, which he would have conducted, 
but for the interference of the Birmingliam Fes- 
tival Committee, who considered that his doing 
so would have been a virtual breach of his en- 
gagement with them. lie had, however, super- 
rnt°nded three of the rehearsals, and it was in 
remembrance of his association with the Society 
on this occasion that the silver snuif-box men- 
tioned by him in the letter of October 4, 1837, 

The first prelate here mentioned was the cele- 
brated Cardinal Beaton whose hostility to the j ;;;;' p^ Je^^^^^rtJInm^ 
English mterest was the foundation ot all the mis- ^ 

fortijnes of the unhappy Mary. Had she_ been [ Easter. — In The Chronology^ of 
affianced to the youthful Edward, and received a 
virtuous education in England, instead of having 
her youth corrupted by the vicious, wicked, and 
immoral practices of the French Court, her fate 


would have been otherwise than it was 


under the training of Catherine de Medici — a 
worse woman than even her namesake of Russia 
and with the example of Diana of Poictiers, the 
king's mistress, before her, whose pet she was 
how was it possible that the best disposition in 
the world could escape contamination ? 

Beton was the second James ; the first was 
James Bruce, a son of Bruce of Clackmanan, 
Archbishop of Glasgow. Keith was not aware 
when or where he was consecrated. See Scotish 
Bishops, Edin. 1824, 8vo, p. 255. 

Gawinus was Gavin Dunbar, a nephew of 
Gavin Dunbar, Bishop of Aberdeen. He was an 
accomplished man, and the education of James V. 
was entrusted to him. He was Prior of White- 

(at pp. 88 — 91), a rule is given 
for finding Easter, independently of all^ tables. 
The rule as printed is incorrect, and gives an 
erroneous result when G is the Sunday letter, 
and the epact is either 6, 13, 20, or 29. The 



no remainder, G is the Sunday letter; and the 
number under G should be, not 7, but 0. For 
instance, in the year 1849, the epact was 6 ; and 
G was Sunday letter, and Easter fell on April 8. 
Applying the rule as printed, it should have 

fallen on April 15. Thus, under su 
45-6=39. Under subdivision (o) 

on (n), 

which, divided by 7, gives no remainder. Then 

no remainder 



haven in Gallowav. 


Mendelssohn's Oratorio, " St. Paul." 


is always desirable that any erroneous statement 
of fact, particularly when contained in a work 
carrying on its face an appearance of authority, 
should be pointed out as soon as possible. In 
the recently published volume of Letters of Felix 
Mendelssohn Bartholdy^ there is appended to a 
letter written by Mendelssohn to his mother on 
October 4, 1837, in which he refers to the Musical 

deducted. 46—31 = 15, the day of April on which 

Easter did not fall in that year. T. 

Dialects of the Suburbs. — My engagements 
in London, and my residence in the direction of 
Hio-horate. necessitate a diurnal transition from 

o o 


ford Street extremity of Tottenham Court Road. 

These daily journeys by omnibus, up and down, 
have brought me into acquaintance with some 


Festival held at 


in that year (at 

Allow me to place 

specimens of suburban 



& Q 


which he had conducted his oratorio, St. Paul)^ a 
note by the editors, Mendelssohn's brother and 
cousin, st£^ting that St. Paul was performed for 

few examples, not only for the amusement of your -^^ 
readers, but as evidences of that modification and 
disguisement, whereof our pliable vernacular has 
always shown itself so susceptible. 


tavVn ! " 

ck awms ! " 



Iguytill ! " 


r T 

8'd S. V. Feb. 6, '64.] 





« Geddish D 



Adelaide Tavern ; Breck- 

nock Arms; Hlghgate Hill; Ked Cap; Kentish 


Here the news-boys interpose, with a phraseology 
of their own — '' Heaving Staw ! '' Dillitilli- 

" Heavinii Stann'rd ! " " Imbortint- 


grawph ! " 
frumraimerrikey ! " 

Evening Star; Daily Telegraph ; Evening Stan- 
dard ; Important from America; Letter from 


Here a cad shouts — '' Full inside ! '' ''I vish I 

vos ! " responds a hun^rry loafer from the footway. 

" I owney vish / vos ! " 

In the morning this is altered — " Full inside ! " 
cries the cad. To whom sarcastically replies the 

yer injoyed yer 


driver of a rival bus 
brekfast ! 


SwoRD-BLADE iNSCRirxioNs. — The columns of 
your interesting and valuable journal have, from 
time to time recorded, for the amusement of its 
readers, quaint inscriptions on sundials and on 
bells. Permit me to send you two curious mot- 
toes, which were found on sword blades, and 
communicated to me by Mr. Latham, of the firm 
of AVilkinson & Co., the eminent sword-makers in 
Pall Mall. The first is from an old Spanish blade, 
and runs thus : 

" Non ti fidar cli me se il Cor te manca." 
" Trust not to me if thv heart fail thee " 

and the second is from a Gascon sword : 

*' Si mon bras redoutable estoit arme de ce Fer. 
J'attaquerois le Diable au milieu de I'Enfer." 

W. F 



Source of the Nile. — The following note may 
be interesting at the present time : 

"November, 16G8. 
At a Meeting of the Council of the Koyal Society of 
London for Improving Natural Knowledge : 
" Ordered, that these documents be printed. 

"Brounker, Pres." 

The discourses were printed accordingly, with 
the follow in jj title : 

" A Short Relation of the liiver Nile, of its Source and 
Current, &c., &c. London: printed for John Martyn, 
printer to the Royal Society ; and are to be sold at the 
sign of The Bell, without Temple Bar, 1669." 

In this little book, which I have recently been 
reading, there is a wonderful resemblance in the 
description of the source of the Nile, and that 
which has been lately read before the Royal So- 
ciety. Septimus Piesse, F.C.S. 

The Princess de Lamballe. — It will be 
remembered by the readers of [French History, 
that one of the most horrible atrocities of the 
Reign of Terror was the murder of this unfor- 
princess in 1793. After death, the remains were 
subject to the greatest indignities,' and the head 
carried upon a pike through the streetsof Paris. 

A question has been raised since as to what be- 
came of the head after the mob had satiated their 
fury by its public exhibition. A late number of 
Galignani sets the question at rest by the publi- 
cation of a document which has been lately dis- 
posed of at a sale of autographs in the Rue Drouet. 
The document is as follows : 

" Section of the 15.20. Permanent Committee. Sep- 
tember 3rd. Year IV. of Liberty, and L of Equality. 
Citizen Jacques Pointal of the Corn Market, 69 Rue des 
Pctits Champs, applied to the Committee for permission 
to inter the head of the ci-devant Princess de Lamballe, 
which he had succeeded in obtaining possession of. As 
the patriotism and humanity of the said citizen could 
not but be commended, we immediately proceeded to the 
cemetery of Enfants-Trouves, near tlie place where our 
Committee met, and within our section, where we had 

the said head buried, and we have given the present act 
to serve the said citizen as a discharge and authorization. 
Done bv the Committee, in the above-mentioned dav 
and vear.— Desequellk, Commissioner of the 15.20." 

T. B. 


I have a cast of the fine old seal of the borough 
of Stamford, the matrix of which, I believe, is 
preserved in the Museum of the Society of Anti- 
quaries, London. Its relief is very high, and its 
workmanship singularly beautiful. The device is 
the Virgin and Child, seated under a rich canopy, 
with a praying figure beneath, the legend appa- 
rently being, ''" Stavnford . Bvrgenses . Virgo . 
Fvndvnt . Tibi . Preces.'' From its having four 
projecting hinges, similar to those on King Ed- 
ward's double staple seals, I feel alr^ost satisfied 
that this is only one side of the ancient double 
seal of Stamford. If I am correct as to this, is 
the other side of the matrix still in existence, or 
are impressions from it still extant ? 

I have also copies from the seals now used by 
the Boroughs of Glastonbury, and Bury-St.- 
Edmund's,^but both are very small and modern, 
the former having for device a mitre in front of 
two crossed croziers on a shield, with the legend, 
'' Floreat Ecclesia Anglic;'' and the latter, a 
crest merely of the wolf with its paw resting on 
the crowned head of the martyred king, with 
motto of " Bvry . Sci . Edi." As both of these 
towns once possessed ancient and striking seals, I 
would like greatly to ascertain where casts from 
them are to be procured. 

Seal-engraving appears to be almost a lost art 
for the last 300 years, as the high relief, beauty 
of design, and richness of execution of even the 
smallest seals up to that period contrasts forcibly 
with such as have been executed since then, es- 
pecially with the more recent examples. There 
are some exceptions, I must acknowledge, to this 




sad decadence, but they are far from being nu- 


1860, in 

History of 

merous. Can any reason be assinned why seals Chess f Did nothing more appear about this sub- 
cannot now apparently be engraved in the bold ject ? ""' 

and beautiful manner in which this was done four ^^"""^ 

or five centuries ago? 

My collection of English municipal seals is now 

Colon N A, 


The Comet or 1581. — Reading lately Bret 



a \QYy extensive one, mainly through the kind four quarto volumes, I came upon the 

facilities afforded by your columns, but I have : notice of a comet, which may be interesting to 


loniT been desirous to obtain some of the older some readers. 

seals of cities and towns, which I yet want, to Camerarius, of date August 18, 1531 : 


render it as complete as possible. I beg to 
name those above referred to, also the double 
seals, now used, of the cities of London and 
Dublin; the double seals of the boroughs of 
Shaftesbury, Southampton, and New Shoreham ; 
the 1589 seal of the city of Winchester; the 

those now used 

Hereford and North 
bv New Windsor 

and Q 

borough. To those I would add two ecclesias- 
tical examples, viz., the singularly beautiful seals 
of Christ Church, . Canterbury, and of Thomas 
Arundel, Archbishop of Canterbury, 1396—1414. 
You know my address, and should any readers 
of ^^ N. & Q/' communicate with me, and kindly 
favour me with gutta-percha casts of all or any 
of the seals I have named, I would gladly re- 
ciprocate the obligation out of my own very ex- 
tensive collection of mediaeval seals. E. C, 

Author wanted. 

" This world's a good world to live in, 
To lend and to spend and to give in ; 
But to beg or to borrow, or ask for one's own, 
'Tis the very worst world that ever was known.'' 

It was 4hought by a friend to be Sheridan s ; 

he has, however, searched his works without suc- 

Mr. Danikt. Cam 

K. K. C. 

Any Information will 
be gratefully received respecting '' Mr. Daniel 
Campbell, Minister of the Gospel," author of 

Sacramental Meditat 

Death of 

the Suffi 

The seventh editiim, published 

m 1723,^ Is dedicated to Archibald, Duke of Ar- 
gyje, with a preliminary letter, also addressed 

my own Flock, and Parishioners of the 






Chess. — Has not at last a copy been discovered 
of Vicent, Libre deUjochs, partilis, ^c, 1495? 
According to the Illustrated London News, No. 
833, a rumour to this purport was afloat some 
years ago. Was ever a reply published bv thn 

writer of the 

Ear.ay on Persian Chess (N 

), or in his behalf, to the critical remark 


mred after^unsuccessfully in our 1-t S. ii. 71,lo2, 156. 

^' Vidimus Cometen. 

qui per 
in occasu Solstitiali. 

dies amplius decern 

Videtur autem 

jam se ostendit 
super Cancrum aut extremam Geminorum partem posi- 
tus. Nam occidit post solem horis fere duabus; et mane 
paulo ante solis ortum in oriente prodit; ita cum coelo 
circumagitur, proprium motum quern habeat quaerimus. 
Est autem colore candido, nisi si quando nubes eum pal- 
lidiorem reddunt. Caudam vertit versus Orientera. Mihi 
quidem videtur minari his nostris regionibus, et prope- 
moduni ad ortum meridianuna vertere caudam. Non 
vidi ante cometen ullum, et descriptiones hoc non diserte 
exprimunt. Erigit caudam supra reliquum corpus. Qui- 
dam affirmant esse ex illo genere quo3 vocat Pliniiis 



Id ego non 

potui oculis 

judicare. Qua^so te ut mihi scribas an apud vos etiam 

conspectus sit; quod non opinor; distat enim a terra vix 

duobus gradibus; si tamen conspectus est, describe dili- 

genter, et quid judicet Schonerus, significato." (Vol. ii. 
p. 518.) 

In a second letter to Camerarius, of date Sept. 
9, he remarks : — 

" Cometen hie judicavimus a Cancro ad Libram usque, 
proprio motu vectum esse. Quanquam autem in Libra 
nunc est Jupiter, tamen illius motus causam existimant 
Martis motum esse, qui nunc ab Arcto discedit. Et plane* 
tas comet^e sequuntur, ut scis." {lb. p. 537.) 

Melancthon at this time was in Thurlngia, I 

think In Erfurt. I believe there is a letter of 
Luther regarding this same comet, but I cannot 
lay my hand on it. There was a comet in 1527, 
on which Gerhard (Gerhardus Novimagus) wrote 


thon had not seen it ? 





Sybilla de Cbaworth, wife of Walter d'Evreux, 
and mother of Patrick, Earl of Salisbury ? " 




testified and confirmed by their deed all dona- 
tions made by their children," &c. Of what 

Maud ? Temp 


CO. Glouc^" 

On what authority do the Scropes * quarter 
the arms of Chaworth ? Several of the posses- 
sions of Ernulphde Hesdene in Somersetshire and 
Gloucestershire are found {temp. Wm. Rufus) to 
be the property of Patrick de Chaworth. Rud- 
der {Hist. Gloucestershire, p. 510), says Hesdene 
conveyed Kempsford, and adds, under "Platherop," 



* It does not appear to me that the tiptoffs, through 
whom (apparently) the Scropes claim this right, were 
justly entitled to it. - - 




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that that manor "probably passed to the Cha- others. The pamphlet is now fororotten. (D 

worths at the same time. 

matic Table 

Colllnson {HisL Som. i. 160), states that some 
hides in Weston, formerly the property of lies- i \nji 
dene, were in the possession {temp. Wm. Rufus) virulence 9 
of Patrick de Cadurcis; *'but how he (Hesdene) 

144, Lond. 


) What 
Was the 

parted with his estate does not appear.' 

Is there any authority for Rudder's statement, 
or did he not, from the fact of the manors in 
question being found afterwards in the possession 
of Chaworth, conjecture that they were conveyed 
by Hesdene ? Does it not seem that Chaworth 
became possessed of this property in right of his 
wife Maud, who might have been a sister or daugh- 
ter of Hesdene ? 

I may add, that I have reasons for doubting the 
accuracv of a nediixree of Hesdene inserted in 
Burke's Visitation of Seats and Arms. H. S. G. 

Oliver de Durden, etc. — In vol, ii. p. C3, of 

a publication of the year 1742, entitled Antiquities 
of the Abbey Church, Westmiuster, and under the 
head of " Monuments to remarkable Persons 
Buried in that Church," it mentions that next to 
the monument of Kinij Henry HI. is one of ^' Oli- 
ver de Durden, a Biiron of England, and brother 
of King Henry HI." 

Query. — 1. What was the name of his mother, 
and was he a half-brother of King Henry IH. ? 
I cannot obtain the information from Rapin or 
the other historians of that period. 

2. Is there any book or record in which the 
names cf Henry HL's barons are given ; and if so, 

where can it be seen ? 


Grumbold Hold. — One of the three manors 
in the parish of Hackney has this name. It for- 
merly belonged to the vicars of the old church, 
and the tradition is thev were so severe in exact- 
ing their fines, and there was such dissatisfaction 
and grumbling among the tenants in consequence, 
that it acquired the nickname of Grumble Hold. 
Surely, if this were the case, no lord or steward of 
a manor would have chosen to place such a name 
at the very head of each Court Koll. May it not 
rather be St. Grumbold's or St. Rumbold's 
Manor? The name is a corruption of Rumual- 

dus. Hasted {HisL of Kent, iii. p. 380) 

the fishermen of Folkestone used to make a feast of 

whitings every Christmas Eve, and call it "Rum- 

bold N.^ 

The old church at Hack 


sometimes called that of St. John, and sometimes 
of St. Augustine. Any further information would 


Poets' Corner. 

Dr. Hill : Petition of I 

wrote a pamphlet, entitled 


Bsq., the Petition 




1 1759, Dr. Hil 

David Garrick 
If of herself 

The purport was to charge Mr. Garrick 
"with mispronouncing some words, including the 
letter t, as furm for firm, vuriiie for Virtue, and 

W. D. 

Hyla Holden of Wednesbury, gent., born 1719, 
died 1790; married in 1745 Elizabeth, dau'T^hter 
of John Walford of Wednesburv; gent. (Backer, 
Hist. Northamptonshire^ i. 317.) 

Particulars of their issue and descendants will 
oblige. Also any particulars of the Walford 



H. S. G. 

fe of Bentley 


(p. 317), tlie following communica 
a letter of Kuster's friend, Wasse : 

"We heard soon after that he [Kuster] had been 
blooded five or six times for n fever, and that upon open- 
ing his body there was found a cake of sand along the 
lower recrion of his bellv. This, I take it, was occasioned 
by his sittinf^ nearly double, and writinc: on a very low 
table, surrounded witli three or four circles of books [for 
his edition of Hesychius probably] f)laced on the ground, 
which was the situation we usually found him in." 

Is any reliance to be placed upon the story of 
the *' cake of sand alonfj the lower region of his 
belly," or is it merely a case of calculus ? 

t. j. buckton. 

Lanterns of the Dead: Hound Towers of 
Ireland. — In the admirable dictionary of M. 
Viollet le Due (vol. vi. p. 165) is a very curious 
account of certain towers which are found in 
cemeteries in the centre and west of France, and 
in which formerly lights were burned at ni;:ht to 
indicate the proximity to the last resting-places of 
the dead. He states they are also called faval, 
tourniele, and pUare. The earliest notice he gives 
is from an old chronicle of the Crusades, which 
states : 

"Then died Saladin (Salahedins), the greatest prince 
that there was in Pagandom, and was buried in the 
cemetery of St. Nicholas of Acre near liis mother, who 
was there very richly interred ; and over them a beauti- 
ful and grand tower (une tournifele bifele et grant) where 
is night and day a lamp full of olive oil, and the hospital 
of St. John of Acre pays, and causes it to be lighted, who 
hold great rents Avhich Saladin and his mother left 


The author says, however, there is a tradition 
that they were " menhirs," or erections of stone, 
consecrated to the Sun in Druidical times. He 
ogives illustrations of three of these lanterns of the 
dead. They have all a small door raised some 
distance above the ground, and an opening or 
window at the top, where the lipjhted lamp was 
exhibited. One is from Celfrouin (Charente), 
and is like a pier surrounded by clustered columns 
about SIX feet in diameter, and including a sort 
of conical top or spire about forty feet high. The 
mouldings, &c., show it to be the work of the 
thirteenth century. The second exists at Ciron 

(Indre), has a similar door, and six lancet windows 



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nt the top, and is not more than twenty-five feet 
hi^rh. The third is at Antiorny (Vienne), and is 
square with small jamb-shafts at the an^rles, and 
is about thirty-five feet high, and seems also to be 
of the thirteenth century. They all stand on 

flights of steps. z. t i ;i 

Is it possible that the round towers of Ireland 
were intended to serve as cemetery lights or lan- 
terns of the dead ? In France these fannls seem 
to be confined to the Celtic districts, and it is not 
impossible that the Celtic races in Ireland may 
have seen and copied them. They have the same 
entrances a little above ordinary reach, the same 
windows at top, and the same conical caps. Could 
any amonir the French antiquaries who peruse 
" N. & Q." f\ivour us with some further informa- 
tion with rcfjard to these curious towers ? It is 
not impossible after all that they may be the means 
of dispelling the mystery which has hung so long 

over the far-famed round towers of Ireland. 

A. A. 



wish to obtain information relative to the ancestry 
of Richard Leigh, of Blrkitt, in Bolland, in the 
county of York. He was buried at Slaidburn, 
March 1, 1676. His wife's name was Jane ; I do 
not know her surname. They had issue Leonard, 
of whom presently ; William, who married and 
left issue ; James, also married and left issue ; 
Ellin, married to Nicholas Parkinson, and had 


issue five sons and one danirhter. 

_i married (May 9, 1657,) Eliza- 
and had issue Richard, who was 
father of Leonard Leigh of Harrop Hall, who left 
issue a daughter Anne, married to Samuel Har- 
rison of Cranage Hall, in the cour)ty of Chester. 

The arms borne by this family were : A cross 
ingrailed ; and in the first quarter, a mascle. 

To any of your correspondents who will favour 
me with a reply, I shall be happy to give further 
information as to the descendants of the first- 
mentioned Richard Leii^h. 

Geohge W. Marshall. 

beth Brio;gj • 

Literati of Berlin. 

" Nothing could be more second-rate and second-hand 
than the litterateurs of the court of Berlin. Voltaire was 
the only able man whom Frederick ever persuaded to 
join them : he ridiculed them and their master as soon as 
flattery ceased to he profitable. Maupertuis was a small 
astronomer; Boyer, a pedant, quoting Greek and Latin, 
which he could not construe ; Clairfons, who translated 
Dante into unreadable French ; and Hersted, whose double 
version of the Ilenriade might be taken for a burlesque. 
Yet Frederick was so proud of these and his other medi- 
ocrities, that he published a catalogue of them in three 

large volumes." 
London, 1776. 

Notes made in North Germanyy p. 172, 

I shall be glad to know the full title of the 
Catalogue in three volumes, and anything about 
Clairfons oj* Hersted, of whom I cannot find any 


E. T. H. 


In an obi docu- 



at Paris. Has this life ever been translated or 
published? G. P. 

New York. 

Model or Edinburgh. — About twenty years 
ao"o there was exhibited, first in Edinburgh, and 


afterwards in Glasgow, London, and other places, 
a beautiful model in wood of the city of Edin- 
burgh showing the Castle, the public buildings, 
and each individual house in the ditFerent streets 
and squares with much accuracy and distinctness. 
It was, according to my recollection, about twelve 


feet in length and eight in breadth ; was very 
elaborate, and must have taken long to construct, 
bein<r in every respect most creditable to the 


It attracted considerable 

notice at the 

time, and a friend told me that, being in the room 
at Piccadilly where it was shown, the late Duke 
of Wellington was among the visitors; and he 
heard his grace say, that his seeing this model would 
induce him to visit the original, which, however, he 

never did. 

Can any of your readers state whether this 
piece of work is still in existence, where it is, and 

who was the artist ? 

J. R. B. 



Dugdale, m his 


Newhaven IN France. 

Baronetage^ under " Stourton," says that Williaraj,^ 
Lord Stourton, died a.d. 1548, '' being Deputy- 
General of Newhaven, in France, and the Marches 

ment, of a.d. 1570, relating to the bounds of a ^ 
forest and the rights of certain owners of land 
therein, it is mentioned that '' The servants of Sir 
A. B. did, in the fence-month, mark saddles, 
waynes, and carts, at certain gates and other 
places ;" and that " the said marking was farmed 
out at so much per annum." Can any reader pro- 
duce notices of a similar custom in explanation ?. 


The Empress Maud. — I have read that a Life . 
of the Empress Maud, daughter of Henry II., was 

Mottoes Wanted. — A company is established 
to supply Burton-upon-Trent with water from 
Lichfield and the tributaries of the river above 
that city: the object is not to supersede the use 
of the present Burton water in brewing, but to 
economise it by bringinn: water from another source 
for domestic and manufacturmg and other pur- 
poses, and also for all other brewing purposes ex- 
cept that of making ale. Mottoes, conveying the 
following ideas in Greek or Latin, especially from 
classic authors, are requested : 

1. To succour, not to supersede. 

2. We bring silver to save gold. 

The latter means that the Burton springs being 
valuable as gold, we bring silver to economise its ^ 

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3' J S. V. Feb. 6, '64.] 



thereof." Lord Stourton was In command of one 



there any place at or near that town bearinjr, or 
known to have borne, the English name of New- 

haven ? 


Order of the Cockle in France. — In the 

Peerage of 1720, which has already been the sub- 
ject of a query (3'^ S. ii. 67, 117), and which the 
kindness of your correspondent G. enabled me to 
identify as the third edition of Francis Nichol's 
British Compendium^ the famous Sir James Hamil- 
ton, Earl of Arran, and Regent of Scotland 
during the minority of King James V., is said to 
have been ** Knight of the Cockle in France." 
This is doubtless ''L'Ordre de Chevalerie du Na- 
vire, ou de la CoquiUe de Mer, institue en 1269, par 
S. Louis," in commemoration of a hazardous naval 


The collar of the Order was composed of 
escallop shells alternately with double crescents, 

and their 

badge was a 





upon waves of the same. What were the circum- 
stances of the hazardous naval expedition, in com- 
memoration of which it was instituted ? 


Cape Town, S. A. 

Proverb Wanted. — Can you tell me where I 
may find the first mention of the following, and 
which is the earlier form ? — *' We praise the food 
as we find if; and "We praise the fool as we 
find him." An early reply will much oblige. 

Roman Historian. 

" The Roman historian describes a supposed lunatic 
mutilated and confined so long in a narrow cell, as so 
nearly to have lost the human form, that, on his libera- 
tion, he was too offensive to be pitied — deformitate miseri- 
cordiam amisitj^^ — A Letter to Sir W. GarroWy A.G.y by 

Charles Barton, M.D., London, 1813, pp. 64. 

The Letter is on the bad management of lunatic 

Who is the Roman historian so vaguely quoted, 
and where can I find the passage ? M. M. 

Seals. — Will any collector of seals, &c,, kindly 
furnish me with an impression or cast of a seal 
or gem representing a man approaching a house, 
and carrying on his back what appears to be a 
sheaf of corn ? The seal is oval, and about an 
inch long. If sent to the post office at this place 
it would be gratefully received, and repaid in 


M. M, S. 

Shakespeare Portraits. — What works are 
there treating especially on this subject, besides 
those by Mr. Boaden and lyCr. Wevill? G. W. 

Translators of Terence.-t-1. Can you give 
me any account of this Charles Herinebert ? He 
published Terence (volume i.), translated into 
French, Cambridge University Press, 1726, 8vo. 

2. A¥ho is translator of the Andria of Terence, 
Cambridge and London, Hamilton, 1659 ? 

3. The comedies of Terence, translated by S. 
Patrick, 1745, revised and materially improved by 
James Prendeville, Dublin, 1829, 8vo. Wanted 
any information regarding the editor. R. I. 



information as 


and its mineral springs be procured ? These aqua* 
calidce appear to have been known to the Romans. 

S. P. Q. R. 

Writs of Summons. — William De Rythre, 
Lord of Rythre in the county of York, had sum- 
mons to parliament from the 28th Ed. L to the 
6Lh Ed. II. inclusive. In the 26th Ed. L he had 
summons to Carlisle equis et armis^ in which writ 
he is designated as a hai^on ; the earls and barons 
then summoned being respectively distinguished 
by their rank. Is it therefore to be inferred that, 
althoui2;h in this case, no record of a summons to 
parliament earlier than that of the 28th Ed. I. is 
extant, yet that a previous summons had been 
addressed either to himself or an ancestor ? 


Situation of Zoar. — The exact situation of 
this ancient city is, I am aware, still a matter of 
discussion amonjrst biblical critics, but I was not 



vol. iii. p. 1834, we 

prepared for such exactly opposite statements re- 
specting it as appear in the articles on '^Moab" 
and ''Zoar" in Dr. Smith's Dictionary of the 
Bihle^ both by an author to whom students of the 
Bible are deeply indebted — Mr. Grove of Syden- 

Under the article " Zoar 
find the following remarks : 

"The definite position of Sodom is, and probably will 
always be, a mystery, but there can be little doubt that 
the plain of Jordan was at the north of the Dead Sea ; and 
that the cities of the plain must therefore have been 
situated there instead of at the southern end of the lake, 
as it is generally taken for granted they were.'' 

And then, after giving what seems to my mind at 
least very satisfactory reasons for this opinion, Mr. 
Grove concludes : 

" These considerations appear to the writer to render it 
highly probable that the Zoar of the Pentateuch was to 
the north of the Dead Sea, not far from its northern end, 
in the general parallel of Jericho." 


p. 391, also written by Mr. Grove 
we find 

" Zoar was the cradle of the race of Lot. Although the 
exact position of this town has not been determined, 
THERE IS NO DOUBT that it was situated on the south- 
eastern border of the Dead Sea." 

Can these two statements be reconciled? If 
not, which, in Mr. Grove's opinion, contains the 
most probable account of the situation of ancient 

Zoar ? A. E. L. 





[S^dS. V. Feb. 6, '64. 

CoLKiTTO AND A, S. — In Milton's Sonnets^ 
there are some obscure allusions. Thus, in the 
6th [11th], who is meant when he says : 

^* Why is it harder, Sirs, than Gordon^ 
ColkittOy or Macdoanel, or Galasp ? " 

The last two were chiefs in Ireland in the war 
of 1565 ; but who are the first two, Gordon and 
Colkitto f Again, in his lines *' On the New 
Forcers of Conscience,'' we have 


A classic hierarchy 

Taught ye by mere A. S. and Rutherford." 

The latter is the well-known Scottish divine, 
Samuel Rutherford ; but who is '* A, S.'" 



[AVarton has the following note on the first passage : 
" Milton is here collecting, from his hatred to the Scots, 
what he thinks Scottish names of an ill sound, Colkitto 
and Macdonnel are one and the same person; a brave 
officer on the royal side, an Irishman of the Antrim 
family, who served under Montrose. The Macdonalds 
of that family are styled, by way of distinction, 3fac 
CoUcittock, i. e. the descendants of the lame Colin. 
Galasp is a Scottish writer against the Independents. 
He is George Gillespie, one of the Scotch members of the 
Assembly of Divines, as his name is subscribed to their 
Letter to the Belgick, French, and Helvetian churches, 
dated 1643: in which they pray 'that these three na- 
tions may be joined as one stick in the hands of the 
Lord: that all mountains may become plains before them 
and us: that then all who now see the plummet in our 
hands, may also behold the top-stone set upon the head 
of the Lord's house among us, and may help us with 
shouting to cry, Grace, Grace, to it.' (Rushworth, p. 

371.) Such was the rhetorick of these reformers of re- 
formation ! " 

A. S. noticed in " The New Forcers of Conscience/' is 
Dr. Adam Steuart, a minister of the Scottish Kirk, and 
a doughty champion he appears to have been in the 
polemics of that time; witness his effusion entitled, 
" Zerubbabel to Sanballat and Tobiah," imprim. Mar. 
17, 1644, 4to. Consult 




I have noticed in The Times and 

other papers, recently, the question mooted as to 
whether Captain Speke did really discover the 
source of the Nile. It has occurred to me that 
he may have done so iji part, by tracing one of its 
sources. Some of your readers are, no doubt, 
well acquainted with the moorland districts of 

and if those regions nre visited in 
uic summer season, they will leave with the impres- 
sion of having discovered the rise of one of the 

this kingdom , 

that place 


same sprng, which they th 


head, will in many cases be traced for a mile or 

more in some other direction. May not this be 
the case with Captain Speke's discovery ? 

I had recently a parcel from a bookseller's shop, 
wrapped up in an old map. On examination, I 
found it to be an old map of Africa, having the 
Nile to the lakes Zaire and Zastan. The map is 
curious, and apparently about two hundred years 
old. It was once, I should think, part of Jt book. 
On the back is printed a description of Africa, 
commencing thus : *' Africa as it lay nearest the .^ 
first people." It is engraved by Abraham Goos. 
I shall be glad to know from what folio work it 
is taken, and if of any real value ? G. P. 

[Abraham Goos published various maps at Amsterdam 
in the earl}^ part of the seventeenth century. Dr. 0. 
Dappers's Beschreibung von Africa (Description of Africa), 
fol. Amsterdam, 1670, has a large map of Africa; but 
this map does not bear the name of Goos. — The question 
respecting Captain Speke and the Nile will probably give 
occasion ere long to sharp discussions, but on a scale far 

Major Richardson Pack. 


I should be glad 

to know something respecting the author of a 

e, entitled Mi 

small volum 

Verse^ the second edition : London, printed for 
E. Curll, in Fleet Street, m.dcc.xix. The volume 
is dedicated to the Honourable Colonel William 
Stanhope, His Majesty's Envoy Extraordinary 



dedication is signed '^ Richardson Pack," who is 
styled Major Pack in an eulogistic poem by G. 
Sewell, prefixed to the work. The author ap- 
pears to have served in Spain, and to have pos- 
sessed an elegant literary taste ; although his 
poems are disfigured by the licentious freedom In 
vogue in his day. Among the prose articles in 
the volume, is a Life of Wycherley, the poet. 

John Pavin Phillips. 


[Richardson Pack was educated at the Merchant Tay- 
lors' School, and was for two years at St. John's College, 
Oxford. His father intending him for the legal profes- 
sion entered him at the Middle Temple; but the Stiidy of 
the law not agreeing either with his health or inclination, 
he joined the army, and served abroad under Gen. Stan- 
hope and the Duke of Argyle. The Major died at Aber- 
deen in Sept. 1728. The various editions of his Poetical 
Miscellanies^ all published by E. Curll, maybe seen in 
Bohn's Lowndes. For other particulars of him CorlStltt 






I have recently met 

an old translation into Latin hexameters 



of Spenser's Calendar. As the title-pane of my 
copy is missing, I should feel obliged if any one 
would inform me of the author's name and the 
date of the publication. Let me inquire, too, 


i * 




3'dS.V. Feb. 6, '64.] 







[The following is the title: — " Calendarium Pastorale, 
fiire JEghgm duodecim, totidem Anni Mensibus accom- 
modafn?, Anglic^ olim scriptae, nunc autem eleganti La- 
tino Carmine donatae a Theodoro Bathurst. Lend. 1653, 
Svo." Jt is dedicated by the editor, William Dillingham, 
to Francis Lane. Some copies have no date. It was re- 
published by John Ball, with a Latin Dissertation, " De 
Vita Spenseri et Scriptis," and an augmented glossary. 
Lond. 1732, 8vo, with cuts by Foudrinier.] 

Quotations. — Where are the following quota- 
tions to be found ? 


A thing 

O'er which the raven flaps her funeral wing.'' 
[Byron's Corsair, canto ii. stanza xvi.] 

" Perhaps it was right to dissemble your love, 
But why did 3'ou kick me downstairs.^ " 

[These lines first appeared in the Asijlum for Fugitive 
Pieces^ 1785; and again in The Panel, by J. P. Kemble, 
1788 (Act L Sc. 1). It has been conjectured that Mr. 
Kemble was the author of them. See " N. & Q.," 2^^ S. 
vii. 176 ; viii. 37.] 

" 'Tis sweet to know there is an eye will mark 
Our coming, and look brighter when we come.-' 


G, F. B. 

Who is the author of the following specimen of 

"Britanniarum majestas ad ortum solis ab hesperio 

cubili porrecta." 

J. L. 


[This quotation, wherever it occurs, is altered from the 
following passage in Horace, Od. lib. iv. carm. xv. : 

** Famaque et imperi 

Porrecta majestas ad ortum 
Solis ab Hesperio cubili."] 

meaning of the 

Springs. — What is the 
" springs" in the following passage ? 

" If aught of oaten stop, or pastoral song, 
May hope, chaste Eve, to soothe thy modest ear. 
Like thy own solemn springs, 
Thy springs, and dving gales." 

Collins, Ode to Evening^ 1 




[Spring, as used in this passage, is a Scotch word, and 
signifies a quick and cheerful tune on a musical instru- 
ment. The word occurs in Douglas's Virgil^ clxvii. 6 : 

" Orpheus mycht reduce agane, I ges9, 
From hell his spousis goist wuh his sueit stringis, 
Playand on his harp of Trace sa plesand i^pringi^?' 




A certain time during the day at 


which the guard turns out under arras, 
picquets kre inspected, and the band or drura 
and fifes play for about ten minutes. •' Retreat 


is in some way affected by the tinie of the year ; 
the hour at which it comes off being regulated by 
the time of sunset. What is the reason for the 
name retreat being applied to this particular pa- 
rade, if it may be so termed ? John Davidson. 

[The military term retreat has various significations; 
but whenever it is applied to a parade or muster of the 
troops, we think the expression must have originally 
referred to the men's retiring to their quarters when the 
muster was over, not to the muster itself.] 


Can you direct me to any 

book, where conjectures are hazarded on the site 
of the Roman town Durocobriva, besides those 
contained in the works of Camden, Chauncy, and 
Clutterbuck, which are within my reach? In 
modern atlases this town is represented as occu- 
pying the present site of Maiden Bower, near 
Dunstable. Are there sufficient reasons for this 



[The learned AVilliam Baxter is of opinion that th% 
site in question was AYoburn, in Bedfordshire, He also 
maintains that the proper orthography was Durocobrivis. 
See his Glossarium Antiquitatiim Pritannicarurrij edit. 
1719, p. 113.] 

Anonymous. — AVho was the author of 

'^ An Autumn near the Rhine; or Sketches of Courts, 
Society, and Scenery, &c., in some of the German States 
bordering on the Rhine. With a Map of the Eastern 
Part of Germany as settled at the Congress of Vienna. 
London, 1818"? 

T. H. 

[By Charles Edward Dodd, Esq., Barrister of the 

Middle Temple, who died very soon after the publication 
of his work.] 

(3'^^ S. IV. 175.) 

Mr. Frank Buckland, in his letter to The Queen 
newspaper of the 16th inst., which no doubt some 
of your readers have also seen, lias thrown a new 
light upon Cromwell's head. Visiting a friend 
Lately in Ham^pshire, who possesses some interest- 
ing relics of Charles L, he was informed by him 

** that, despite all the curious stories about the existence 
of Oliver Cromwell's head, he thought he kneAV of the 
existence of a head, which all evidence seems to prove to he 
the very head of this great man. [_These italicised words 
I do not know whether Mr. Buckland's, or his friend's.] 
The storv is as follows: — * Oliver Cromwell was buried 
in Westminster Abbev. I well recollect mv father, the 
Dean [Buckland, of course], pointing out the place to 
his friends. The grave was situated in the very centre 
of the centre chapel, at the east end of Hen. VII.'s Chapel ; 
but there is no stone to mark the place.' " [These italics 
are Mr. Buckland's.] 

Mr. Buckland then quotes the usual historical 
account of the magnificent burial of the Protector 



[3rd s. V. Feb. 6, '64. 


(which is still a disputed point, 
and that It was disinterred by the 

Royalists, Awnq- at Tyburn, and cast into a hole 


1 the gallows. 

He then continues, what I presume to be his 
friend's story (for he is rather involved in his 



" The head ^vas subsequently separated from the body, 
and placed on an iron spike 'over the gate at Temple 
Ear. Here it remained till it was blown down by the 
wind. It was at that moment picked up by a soldier, 
who immediately secreted it. It remained in this soldier s 
family for several generations; till at last, not many 
years ago, it was given by the last survivor of his family 
to Mr. Wilkinson, a suro-eon of Sandgate, near Folke- 
stone, and is at this moment in the possession of that 
gentleman's son. The skin covering the skull is quite 
dry and hard, but in excellent preservation. The hair of 
the mustache still remains ; and the wart also, which we 
see represented in his portraits, is plainly to be seen; and 
the flesh has been embalmed^ which would not have been 
the case with the remains of an ordinary person. I re- 
<&:ret to say I have not seen it myself. [I presume, Mr. 
Buckland means he has not?] With the head are pre- 
served the actual documents, in which are offered large 
rewards for the restoration to the authorities of the head, 
after it was blown down ; and severe threats upon those 
wdio retained it knowingly, after these notices were 

I will not now enter upon the vexed question 
as to the place of burial of Oliver Cromwell ; but 
if the above facts are correct, and there ap|)ears 
no reason to doubt, surely some means ought to 
be taken to have the head and documents ex- 
amined, by Mr. Wilkinson's permission, by some 

judge of their historical 

person competent to 




S. V. 99.) 

He favoured the rising in Cheshire under Sir 
Georije Booth on behalf of Charles II. in August, 

but lay concealed, designing to surprise 
Chester had Booth succeeded in his bold 




In March following, 
il Venables the eroverr 


Castle, and he aided the Restoration. What re- 
ward he received we cannot state, but his friend 
Dr. Peter Barwick petitioned Charles 11; that 
Colonel Venables might be honoured with some 
eminent mark of the royal favour, since it was 
sufficiently known that he formerly both could 
have restored his majesty to his throne, and would 
have done it, if he had not been hindered by the 

■was trusted. 


Colonel Venables was an Independant in re- 
ligion, and in 1664 was denounced to the govern- 
ment as one who had secretly promoted the rising 
in Yorkshire, known as the Farnley Wood Plot. 
There was* probably little truth in the accusa- 

tion. He seems thenceforward to have lived in 
retirement at his seat in Cheshire. He died in 

1687, beini? buried on July 26. 

Dr. Peter B 

erences to Life of 
186, 190, 207, 219, 

262, 277, 431, 451, 456, 471, 521, 522; Borlace's 
Irish Rebellion, 277, 282, 283, 314; App. 24; 
Campbell's Chancellors, 4th ed. vi. 2; Carlyle's 
Cromwell, ii. 65, m ; iii. 81, 97, 144, 145 ; Claren- 
don, Cromwelliana, 55, 58, 65, 70, 71, 142; 

Green's Cal. Dam. /State rap. Car. il., in. < 
Leon. Howard's Letters, 1 ; Hunter's Life of 
ver Heywood, 179 ; Lancashire Civil War 

63, 354 


f Adam Martindale, 210, 216 

)/ Hen. Newcome, 207 ; No7^ris P 

19 : Ormerod's Cheshire, i. 487 ; Granville Penn's 

Memorials of & 
Col. State Pap 

Wm. Perm ; Sainsbury's CaL 

Thomas's Hist. Note 


Papers ; Whitelock's Memorials 

Zouch's Life of Walton, ed. 1823, 33, 34. 

Lord Campbell was evidently under the impres- 
sion that Colonel Venables was a mere country 
squire ; and a more recent writer, having occa- 
sion incidentally to mention the colonel, appears 
to have been equally unaware of his historic and 
literary fame. C. H. & Thompson Cooper. 


(3-^^ S. V. 36.) 

N. &Q 

note of inquiry respecting my published writings, 
to which note is appended an account of a few of 
them. I do not know, nor even guess, the names 
of those correspondents who have thus favoured 
me with their notice ; nor do I complain of their 
remarks, which are written with that gentlemanly 
courtesy which distinguishes the pages of your 
periodical. But, as the titles of my books have 
been thus publicly requested, it seems fair that I 
should be allowed' to give a completer list of them 

appears in your pages, which 

in bibliographic information. I have 

such an esteem for your journal as a permanent 

record of the curiosities of literature and science, 

that I take the pains to correct your list by the 

of Cicero's Re- 

than that which 

following additions 

Besides my Enojlish versions of 
public and Laws^ I translated for the first time 
into English Cicero's Divination and Fate^ pub- 
lished in Bohn's Classical Series. Some other of 
my publications are versions of the Ecclesiastes 
nnd Canticles of Solomon, and the Prophecies of 

Micah from the Hebrew 



iessarony or Harmony of the Gospels^ in a revised 
translation, published by Messrs. Rivington ; 
Man's Rierht to God*s Word, from the French prize 

M, Boucher: The> Pleasures of P^ 


' iH 








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■m * 

poem. A Key to Alism and the Highest Initia- 
tions; being a treatise on the system of universal 
theology, theosophy, and philosophy. A Life of 
James Pierrepont Greaves, an eminent mystic, 
noticed at large in Mr. Moreirs History of Philo- 
sophy. A Life of Colston, the Bristol philanthro- 


The New Bristol Guide^ &c. Of course I 

Long before 

do not mention a multitude of compilations to lead- 
ing journals and periodicals. 

As to the Adamus Exul^ to which the inquiry of 
your correspondent is especially directed, I would 
mention that the only original copies of the Latin 
I ever saw were two contained in the library of that 
great book collector, Mr. Heber. 
his death, he told me he possessed them, and his 
words were verified ; for after his death they were 
sold among the books of his library. One copy 
of these scarce literary curiosities passed into the 
hands of Mr. Lilly, the London bookseller; and I 
persuaded my friend Mr. Hallam, the historian, to 
have it purchased for the British Museum. Whe- 
ther it was so or not I cannot tell. The other 
came into the possession of a private gentleman. 
Both of these copies were kindly lent to me, and 
I collated them with Lauder's edition of the Ada- 
miLS Exul, Dr. Parr's copy of v/hich I still possess. 
I found that it faithfully agreed with the Latin 

career he was a sub-librarian in the Bodleian ; in 
1726 was elected keeper of the archives 5 and in 
1750 RadclilTe librarian. He retained the two 
latter offices till his death in 1767, a^ed 7'2. His 
edition of the Annates reruni gestarum TElfredi 
magni seems to have been carefully prepared, 
and the list of 340 subscribers proves the esti- 
mation in which he was held. 

For his other works, I must refer to the four 
noble folios, compiled by the reverend Bulkeley 
Bandinel and his associates, which exhibit to the 
students of all countries, at all hours, and at a 
very moderate expense, the incomparable treasures 

of the Bodleian Library. 

Bolton Corxev. 

The Mr. Wise about whom Mr. J. O. Halli- 
WELL makes inquiry was Radcliffe Librarian at 
Oxford. Tlicre is a good deal said of him in 
BoswelVs Johnson under the year 1754, in which 
year Johnson and Boswell visited him at Elsfield. 
He took a great interest in the gift of the M.A. 
doi^ree which Johnson received from the Univer- 
sity, by diploma, in February -1755. A short 
account of hirn is given in a book not quite so 
commonly seen as BoswelVs Johnson — the Lives 
of Leland^ Hearne, and Anthony a Wood^ edited 
by Warton and Huddesford, Oxford, 1772. The 
Life of Anthony a Wood was republisherl by the 
late Dr. Bliss in 1848. I do not know of any- 
second issue of the Lives of L eland and Hearne^ 

original of Grotius, with the exception of a very 
few words. My English version of this wonderfully 
rare and grand tragedy is sometimes very literal, 
and sometimes merely paraphrastic, especially in 
the choruses. But The Tirnes, and other leading ^^^^^^^ ^^^ contained in the first of the two volumes 

organs of criticism, seemed to grant in their re- 
views that I had established this fact — that Milton 
was more indebted to the Adamus Exid than to 
any poem in existence. It is desirable that the 
Latin original should be reprinted. But the 

ublic taste for truly Miltonic poetry is at a very 

ow condition. I fear that if new Miltons were now 
to arise they would suffer as much from neglect as 
he who received five pounds for the copyright of 
the noblest epic in the universe. 

Francis Baeham. 


(3^*^ S. v. 100.) 

Life of 


of Warton and liuddesford. I therefore tran- 
scribe the passage. It is a note, at p. 26 of the 
Life of Hearne : 

" Francis Wise, B.D. was son of Francis Wise, Mer- 
cer in Oxford, and was entered of Trinitv Collej^e in the 
year one thousand seven hundred and eleven, elected 
Scholar, and afterwards Fellow of that Societv. In 1719 
he was appointed Under Keeper of the Bodleian Library, 
and in 1727 was elected Gustos Archivorum bv the Uni- 
versity. At this time he was domestic chaplain to the 
Right Honourable the Earl of Guilford, then Lord 
North, in whose family he frequently resided at Wroxton 
in Oxfordshire: by that Nobleman he was presented to 
the Donative or Curacy of Elsfield near Oxford, under 
whom also he held a small Estate in that Place on a long 
Lease, upon which he built a commodious little House, 
where he resided during the last Years of his life; and 
spent his Time in literary pursuits, and as an Amusement 
in forming an elegant Garden, which, though a small 
piece of Ground, was diversified with every object in 
Miniature that can be found in a larger Scale in the most 

published in 1772, records his obligations to '' the ^, ^_ 

late ^learned Mr. Francis Wise, ^keeper of the | admired Places in this Kingdom. In 1750 he was ap 

archives/' for transcripts of some curious papers 
from the collections of Strype and Charlett, I 

pointed Radcliffe Librarian by the Officers of State, and 
died October 6, 1767. He published 


Mr. Wis 
1790; but I -do 

Asser's Life of Alfred. 

not find any of his letters of that date in Mant, 



Francis "W 

obtained a fellowship in 
1717; B.D, 1727. 

was educated at Oxford, and 

CoUeore, M 


*An Enquiry concerning the first Inhabitants, &c., 
'History and Chronology of the Fabulous Ages, 1764/ 

At an early period of his He had a younger brother, Robert Wise, B.D. Fellow of 



[3"i S. V. Feb. 6, '64. . 


Trinity College, Oxford, an eminent tutor there; an uni- 
versal Scholar, more particularly an excellent Mathema- 

tician, but of such extreme Diffidence and Modesty, that 

been allowed him, the public never 


had a longer life 

the -worse since the}^ were first discovered ; the air being 
much more inclement, and the soil much more barren 

. . . . In short the Summer Islands 


would have reaped any advantage from his Studies, 
died in 1750. This note is subjoined to preserve the 
Memory of a worthy Man which otherwise will be lost." 

To tliis extract I will only add that many Oxford 
men, all who w^ere fond of that beautiful walk to 
Elsfield, will recollect Mr. Wise's garden, in 

which some at least of the "objects" mentioned ^^ ^ 

by Warton and Huddesford were visible wheri I | from plnkertoii^^^ 

than formerly .... 

are now far from being desirable spots 

water on the islands, except that which falls from the 

clouds, is brackish, and at present the same diseases 

reign there as in the Caribee Islands .... The 

north or north-east wind renders the air very cold.'V 

Dobson's Encychpccdia^ 1798. 

" The islands are healthy, the climate is delightful.*' 

Ntio American Cyclopccdia, 1858. 

If Selrahe's object is a literary one, this note 

was last in Elsfield. I am sorry that 

no account of '^ the destination of his papers." 

D. P. 

Stuarts Lodge, Malvern Wells. 

^'One Swallow does not make a Summer" 

(3'"'^ S. V. 53.) — All poetical references which I 
have seen speak of the appearance of swallows as 



summer only, 
" N. & Q." may possibly remember an impromptu 
attributed to Sheridan when George IV. 
Prince of Wales. One very cold day the prince 
came into a coffee-house where Sheridan happened 
to be, and called for somethinof to drink to warm 
him. He was so pleased with the first glass that 
he called for a second, and then a third, and then 
declared himself comfortable. Sheridan imme- 

a slip of paper the following 
and handed them to Georire : — 

"In the Novus Orbis of De Laet (pp. 27-30) there is 
some interesting information concerning these islands." ' 

Also the description in Raynal's Hist, of the East 
and West Indies^ iii. 524. 

From my own knowledge I can state (what 

everybody knows perhaps), that it is the custom 

for invalids to spend the autumn and winter there, 

until about the middle of February, when they 

The readers of i generally leave for Santa Cruz (also called very 

unhealthy by some writers), the Havana, or else- 
where, the prevailing winds of the " vexed Ber- 


beiiinninor at 

diately wrote on 


"The Prince came in, and said 'twas cold, 
Then put to his mouth the rummer. 
Till swallow after stvallow came, 

When he pronounced it summer,''* 


J. O'B. 


I would add to examples from H , _. 

R. C. Heath's information, a citation from Cow- 
ley, exactly what that correspondent desires. 
("Anacreontic xi. The Swallow.") Our poet re- 

that season to be very 
unpleasant. With the exception of the early 
spring months the climate is delicious. 

I observe the variety of spelling Summer, 
Summers, Sommers, and Somers. The same oc- 
curs in the name of Sir George Somers, from 

whom the name of the group is said to come. If 
age ogives authority, see Smith's General Historie 
of Virginia^ New JEngland^ and the Summer Isles; 
but the title is all 1 know of the book, having 
never seen it. But, again, A Plaine Description 
of the Barmudas^ now called Sommer Islands^ with 
the manner of their Discoveries anno 1609. By 
W. C, London, 1613. 

Since writing the above, I have made a note of 
Letters from the West Indi^s^ by William Lloyd, 
M D., London, 1838; An Historical and Statistic 
cal Account of the Bermudas from their discovery 

proaches this vivacious and active but tuneless ^ the present Time, bj Wm. F. Williams, London, 

bird, for breaking his rest and robbing him of a 

delightful dream. 

It commences : 

" Foolish prater; what dost thou 
So early at my -window do 


and concludes thus, which is to the purpose of 

C. H 

** Thou this damage to repair, 
Nothing half so sweet or fair ; 
Nothing half so good can'st bring, 

Though men say thou Iring'st the Spring. 


J. A. G. 

(S'-'' S. iv. 397.) 

You mig 

1848 ; Bermuda, by a Field Office?^ London, 1857. 

St. T. 

"Pig and Whistle" (S'^ S. iv. 101.) —Pro- 
bably many of your readers are familiar with this 
name at Cambridge. I believe it existed once on 
the sijinboard of an inn in Trinity Street, now 
called the Blue Boar; but, however this may be, 
a few years back it was the popular cognomen for. 
a new hostel built opposite the Gate of Trinity 


The argument for the name being at-\ 



your quotations, in further illustration of a diver- 
sity of opinion upon the same subje< 
ing from two works of good repute : 

"i^ T ,^^^®"^ly agreed that the nature of the Ber- 
muda Islandfl haa uudereone a surDrisinfir alteration for 

tached to this building was rather a droll one. It 
was because it was situated midway between a cer- ' 
tain college (which shall be nameless) whose so-;', 
ciety was styled, in rival-undergraduate slang, 
" Pigs," and another whose Principal has a name 


said to be unpronounceable without a " whistle," 

R. C. h. 

I t 







I k 












3^dS. V. Feb. 6, '64.] 



St. Willibrokd: Frisic Literature (3'^ S- 

Longevity of Clergymen (S^^ S. v. 22, 44 ) 



The bookseller 


Leeuwarden writes to me 

Suringar, of j The Rev. James Powell, close upon eighty years 

of age, has been over fifty years curate of Dill- 

" If you have not yet replied to the second part of 
W. C/s query in the* Namrscher^ you might tell him, 
there exists a Frisic Grammar bv Ra>k, revised hy De 
Haan Hettema in 1832 (price fl. ISO, or 3s.); that, 


besides, in 18C3, a very concise Frisic Grammar was pub- 
lished by Colmjin (for about fl. 1, or Is. 8rf.) ; and 
that the Frisic Vocabularies are, that on the Poems of 
Gysbert Japix, by Epkema, in 4to, 1824 (antiquarian 
price fl. 5, or 85. Ad,) an excellent book; Kichthofen, 
Ahfriesisches Worterbuch, in 4to, 1840 (fl. 7 a fl. 10, 
lis. 8d. to 16«. 8rf., antiquarian price): I think out of 
print; de Haan Hettema, Proere i?an een Friesch Neder- 
landsch Woordenhoek, in 8vo, 1832 (fl. 1, Is. 8c/.) 

Excepting Richthofen, I have these all for sale. I 
should thus be able to suit your querist, and further ac- 
commodate him with any production of Frisic literature 
he might desire, as I try to keep these in stock as com- 
pletely as possible. 

" Forgive me, that I, though totally unacquainted with 
you, yet make free to forward you the above: the pur- 
pose of the Navorsche?' will, I hope, be promoted by it." 

John H. van Lennep. 

Zeyst, near Utrecht. 

Grave or Pocahontas (2"^ S. vii. 403.) 

" 16in, June. — Geo. Lord Carew. Extracts from Letter 
to Sir Thos. Roe; in the form of a journal: — 

" Sir Thomas Dale returned from Virginia and brought 
divers men and women of that country to be educated in 

One liolfe also brought his wife, Pocahuntas, 
the daughter of Powhatan, " the Barbarous Prince." — 
P. 18. 



{Calendar of State Papers^ Colonial Series, 1574- 


1617, 18 Jan. London. — The Virginian woman Poca- 

huntas has been with the King. 

sore against her will." 
Domestic Series, 1611 

She is returning home, 
P. 428. {Calendar of State Papers, 

"1617, 29 March, London. — The Virginian woman 
died at Gravesend on her return." — P. 454, {Calendar of 
State Papers, Domestic Series, 1611—1618.) 

Should not the date of her burial be March 21, 
16if, instead of M/?/ 21, 1616. The church of 
St. George at Gravesend was destroyed by fire 
ID 1727, where she was buried. I inclose you a 
transcript from the parish register that was sent 
to me in 1859: 

**1616, May2j. Rebecca Wrothe,wyff of Thomas Wroth, 

gent, a Virginia Lady borne, was buried in the Chaunn- 

G. J. Hay. 

Fingers op Hindoo Gods (S'^ S, v. 73.) — In 
Higgins's Anacahjpsis H. C. will find some curious 
speculations and theories on this subject. How- 
ever, I have not the book within reagh, and there- 
fore cannot jjive particular references. Enne- 

Bohn's S 

Hist, of Magic (H 

Library, vol. i 
gives to this symbol a magnetic 
How far this so-called 771a 




hand of the Ro 

Henry F, 



wyn, in Herefordshire, and is so still. R. C. L. 

cle of January 23, 1864 : 



Croston, the Keverend Streynsham Master, M.A., died at 
the rectory there, at the patriarchal age of 97. The de- 
ceased, both in years and in length of ministerial service, 
was the oldest clergyman in Lancashire, having been in the 
ministry above seventy-five years. HeAvas also the oldest 
beneficed clerg3'man, having been inducted to the rectory 
of Croston, on the death of his father, in 1798, and had 
thus been iu the enjoyment of that valuable benefice 
above sixty-five years. His father, the Kev. Robert 
Master, D D. was the rector from May, 1759, to Sep- 
tember, 1798, so that the incumbency of father and son 
extended over the long period of nearly 105 years, a rare 
instance of prolonged enjoyment of an ecclesiastical be- 




(3^^ S. iv 

Some few weeks ago a correspondent in- 

quired who wrote the hymn, commencing ^^ Author 
of good we rest on Thee.'' He will find it in 


Hymns A 

but, as tiuit version 

seems to differ in a few places from the one printed 
in " N. & Q.," I append a cop] 

"Author of good! to Thee I turn; 
Thy ever \vakeful eye 
Alone can all my wants discern, 
Thy hand alone supply. 

"0 let Thv fear within me dwell. 
Thy love my footsteps guide; 
That love shall vainer loves expel, 
That fear all fears beside. 

"And since, by passion's force subdued, 
Too oft, with stubborn will 
We blindly sliun the latent good. 
And grasp the specious ill ; 

"Not to my wish, but to vay want, 
Do Thou thy gifts supply 
The good unasked in mercy grant 
The ill, though asked, deny.'* 

E. Y. Heineken. 

Richardson Family (3"*^ S. v. 72.) — Though 
I cannot offer a satisfactory reply to your corre- 
spondent, or trace out the various branches of the 
Richardson family, I may point out some inac- 
curacies in liis query. No person of the name of 
Conon Richardson is recorded as Abbot of Per- 
shore, either in Dugdale, Stevens, or Styles's his- 
tory of t])e Abbey ; but to a person of this name, 
the Sheldon family, who received the grant 
at the dissolution of monasteries, conveyed the 
manors of Pershore. His son married Anne, 
daughter of Leonard Meysey (not Maxey) of 
Shechenhurst, near Bewdley, 

At the close of the seventeenth century, there 
existed in the Abbey church of Tewkesbury a 
monument to Couoa Richardson --^ ^ ab equefltri 



C3^d S. V. Feb. 6, '64. 

familiS de Pershor oriundo ;'' who died aged 


The tomb was erected by his only 
son Edward, and may possibly be now in the 
church. The arms — Argt. on a chief sable, three 
lions' heads erased of [the first], langued gules 
are drawn on my MS. 

The Richardson family have so long been ex- 
tinct in the county of Worcester, that we have 
lost all trace of their descendants: but the stately 
Abbey of Pershore, whose property they once 
held — a small part indeed of its ancient magni- 
ficence — is under restoration by Mr. Gilbert 
Scott ; who, I understand, thinks its great lantern 
tower was erected by the same architect, or by a 
close imitator of him, who built the steeple of 
Salisbury Cathedral. Thomas E. Winnington. 

An account of the parentage and descendants of 
Sir Thomas Richardson will be found in the sixth 

volume oi^F ass's Judges of England^ p. 359. He was 
created a Serjeant-at-Law in Michaelmas Term, 
1614, and King's Serjeant in February, 1625 ; 
was chosen Speaker of the Parliament that met 
in January, 1620-1 ; appointed Chief Justice of 
the Common Pleas in November, 1626 ; and pro- 
moted to the Presidency of the Court of King's 
Bench in October, 1631. 

The two representations of arms in Dugdale's 
Origines Juridiciales are of the same person. One 
in p. 240, in the chapel of Lincoln's Inn, of which 
society he was a member, put up when he was 
Speaker in 1620-1 ; and the other, in p. 238, in 
Lincoln's Inn Hall, when he became Chief Jus- 
tice of the Common Pleas. 

There was no other serjeant of the name durinn- 

the reigns of James I. or Charles L 



S. V. 

E. A. O. 

) — ]!^otw 

standing: the lexicographers, I cannot think it 
likely that the same word would have been used 
to designate two such very dissimilar birds as the 
lapwing or peewit, and the hoopoe ; and there can 
be but little doubt, I should suppose, that e7roi|/. 


parat Royal, Inipe, are only various forms of the 
latter name. 

That the common name for the lapwing in 
former days was peewit would appear from what 
Tu„ AT Walcot calls "the Bursar's 

Mr. Mac 

Rebus," in one of the windows of the Bursary at 


motto "Redde quod debis; " .. .. ,_^ .., „, 
weight, which has long been its traditional ren- 

with the 
i. e, pay it, or pay 


In the west country I cannot find that it bears 
any other name than peeivit; and it certainly 
seems to me exceedingly improbable that its name 
should have been altogether changed, and its 
former designation utterly lost, during the com- 
paratively short period of 150 years, in the neigh- 

bourmg counties of Dorset and Somerset. 

-■ * 


The question, then, still remains what were 


s, or popes, or pops, or poups upon 
whose unhappy heads a price was set by our rude 
forefathers in vestry assembled ? If I might 
hazard a conjecture, I should be inclined to sug- 
gest, though with some diffidence, that they might 

have been bullfinches, which birds, under the name 
of 7nopes, or mwoaps^ are still but toojustly regarded 
in the west with the fiercest animosity, on account 
of their bud-destroying propensities. The curious 
interchange of the letters M. and P. in the nick- 
names Molly and Polly, Matty and Patty, Meg and 
Peg, rather helps my supposition. 

C. W. Bingham. 

Vre need not, I think, go to Old French for the 
word pope, as applied to a bird. The bullfinch is 
so-named in some parts of England, and he has 
always had a bad repute as a mischief-maker in 
gardens and orchards. Jaydee. 

I think that I can elucidate the mystery which 
at present hangs over the parochial accounts re- 
ferred to by your correspondent W. W. S. Pope, 
Nope, Alp, Ked-IIoop, and Tony-Hoop, are all 
provincial appellations of that beautiful and in- 
teresting, but very destructive bird, the common 
Bullfinch. To its mischievous propensities orni- 
thologists, from Willughby downwards, have un- 
fortunately been compelled to testify. 

'' Libentissime vescuntur primis illis gemmis ex ar- 
boribus ante folia et flores erumpentibus, prascipue florum 
Mali, Pyri, Persicte, aliarumque hortensiuin, adeoque 
non leve damnum hortulanis inferunt, quibus idcirco 
maximb invisae sunt et odiosae." 



ighby. I could give quotations 
rom Montagu, Selby, Yarrell, 
and many others ; but I have cited quite enough 
to show '' why a price should have been put on '* 
popes' or woopes' or hoops' heads by church- 
wardens at the commencement of the eighteenth 



n — 


William Mitchell, the Great Tinclarian 
Doctor {S'^ S. v. 74.)— For information respect- 
ing this oddest of characters, J. O. cannot do 
better than consult the very valuable and most 
interesting Domestic Annals of Scotland, written 
by Robert Chambers, LL.D., &c., vol. iii. p. 358. 
See also, Traditions of Edinburgh (p. 42), by the 
same author. William Pinkerton, 

Elma, a Christian ISTamb (3'''^ S. v. 97.) — In 

answer to the query of J. G. N., I have to say 
that Elma was the name by which the late Ladjr 
Elgin was familiarly called, as he supposes, from' '[ 
the first syllables of her two Christian names.i. 
Her daughter was so christened ; her father, in 
his distress at her mother's death, being unable 
to think of any other name. ' - v -'' ■' 

One op her nearest Relatives. 

^ - ■- r ' 






\ J 

3'^ S. V. Feb. 6, '64.] 



Natter (S^^ 



One query 



Your correspondent B. L. of Colchester, 
while searching for the origin of the simile " Mad 
as a hatter/* has dug up some etymological re- 
mains, which lead my thoughts in another direc- 
tion. When, at Cambridge, we used to make 
botanical excursions under the delightful guidance 
of the late Professor Henslow, we used to be 


species of toad found in 

that neighbourhood, and known to the villagers 

Alfred Ainger. 

as the Tiatter-jacli. What is natter in this word ? 
Is it the German word for adder, or is it merely 
a corruption of the Englisli word adder — as thus, 
an adder-jack^ a vatter-jach^ and so called from the 
fact tliat the animal in question crawls instead of 
hopping like common toads ? Does the word 
occur in any other compounds among obsolete or 
merely local names of reptiles ? 

Alrewas, Lichfield. 

Gaspar de Xavarre : Spengle Qy^ S, iv. 88.) 
It would seem, from the notice in the Bihliotheca 
HispaTia Nova^ that there was a Latin version of 
Gaspar de Navarre's work ; but perhaps Antonio 
translated part of the title only. I believe the 
Spanisih book is very scarce, but there is a copy 
in the British Museum: 

" Tribunal de Supersticion Ladina, dirigido a Jesus 
Nazareno, por cl Doctor Gaspar Navarro, canonigo de la 
santa iglesia de Jesus Nazareno de Montaragon, naturel 
de la Villa de Aranda de Moncago. Huesca, 1G3L" 4to, 
pp. 244. 

The passage, corresponding with that quoted, 
is : — 

" Maleficio tacito llaman los magos a aqnel que se dh. a 
las Brujas, para que no sientan los tormentos que les da 
la justicia: este se suele dar por coruida o por bevido os 
les imprime el Demonio eu las espaldas, o les pone y ab- 
sconde entre la carne y el pellejo, para que no digan la 
verda^i, aunque mas les atormenteu: como lo dizeu los 
Inquisidores de Germania, in Malleo^ part. i. qua3st. 14. 
Y con estos hechizos ellas se estan burlando, y riendo de 
los tormentos: y para que estas no sientan, suele el De- 
monio aplicar reincdios frigidissimos. Y viendo esto la 
gente barbara se espantan mucho, pareciendoles que es 
cosa milagrosa, y es cierto que no lo es ; porque esto lo 
haze el Demonio, el quel, como tengo provado eu las dis- 

£utas passadas, no puede hazer milagros. Pero haze el 
demonio esto, poniendo ciertos medicamentos, que quie- 
ten entorpezean el sentido, o detergan el influxo de la 
facultad animal a los organos en cl tal persona, que cau- 
sen humores crasos, y gruesos que impieden la via, pa- 
raque los espiritus vitales no passen a las partes exteri- 
ores y assi impieden el sentimiento y dolor. Otras veces 
el mesmo Demonio se apodera de los sentidos exteriores 
por si proprio para que no sientar; otras vezes de cosas 
naturales en quantitad haze medicamentos que turban los 
humores; otros vezes detiene el Demonio los tormentos, 
no lleguen al sentimiento, subllevando al paciente, y 
aliviandole del tormento, teniendo los cordeles floxbs, 
y aunque mucho les aprieten, es de poca importancia, 
c^ue como el Demonio tiene superioridad sobre las cosas 
corporales (si Dios le da licencia) haze lo que quiere 
dellas,^— P.56, b. K : ,,: ^ ■ > 




author of Malleus Maleficorum^ which Is often 

cited by Gaspar de Navarre. 


Garrick Club. 

Epitaph : '' Hoc est Nescire " (3"^^ S. v. 83.) 
This epitaph (as written, 3^^ S. iv. 474) 

IS in- 

scribed on a monument in the church of the vil- 
lage of Atcham, near Shrewsbury, Whether then 
and there orimnal, I know not. The mode of 


sentiment would suggest Boethius (Anicius) 
Lactantius, as the author, rather than the cele- 

J. L. 

brated Bishop of Hippo. 


Arg. a Saltire Az. (3 







of arms, mentioned by your correspondent, 

appertains to the family of Yorke, of Bewerley, 
Yorkshire. See Burke's History of the Com-' 
moners of Great Britain and Ireland (edit. 1838), 
vol. iv. p. 744. 

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CONTENTS. —No. 111. 

NOTES: — Schleswick: the Danne-werke, 127 — A Witty 
Archbishop, 128— The Infant Prince of Wales, 129 — An 
Old London Rubbish Heap, lb. — A General Literary In- 
dex, &c., 131 — Congreve the Poet — A Heroine — Primula : 
the Primrose — Camel born in England — Sir Francis 
Walsingham— Neology — Lynch Law in the Twelfth Cen- 
tury, 132. 

QUERIES: — Thomas Jenny, Rebel and Poet, 132 — Ameri- 
canisms — Anonymous — Aubcry and Du Val — Great 
Battle of Cats — Becket — Robert Callis — Posterity of the 
Emperor Charlemagne— Family of Do Scarth — The Danish 
Rignt of Succession — Engraving on Gold and Silver — 
Descendants of Fitzjames — Thomas Gilbert, Esq. — Pos- 
terity of Harold, King of England — Hindoo Gods — The 
Iron Mask — Leighton Family — Matthew Locke — Lord 
Mohun's Death, 1677 — Napoleon the First — The Oath 
ex-oflScio — Pope's Portrait — Practice of Physic by Wil- 
liam Drage — Proverbial Sayings — Stone Bridge — Ulick, 
a Christian Name — White Ilats — Life of Edward, Second 
Marquis of Worcester, 133. 

QuEEiES with: Answers:- Hilton Crest : "Houmout" 

Trousers — Dr. George Oliver — Bishop Andrewes' Will 
Top of his Bent — Blind Alehouse, 136. 

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by the Dog, 138 — Decay of Stone in Buildings, 76.— Ro- 
man Games, 139 — Burton Family, 140 — Stamp Duty on 
Painters' Canvass — Situation of Zoar — The Old Bridge at 
Newington — Maiden Castle — Rye House Plot Cards — 
Newhaven in France — Lewis Morris — Twelfth Night: 
the worst Pun — Sir Edward May — Quotation — Toad- 
eater — Crapaudine — The Owl — Heraldic — Passage in 
Tennyson, Ac, 141. 

Notes on Books, &c. 



The war now disturbing Denmark has recalled 

attention to the very ancient fortification which 

forms a defence for Jutland from attacks on the 
southern fr< 


" Danorum 

Torfseus says the name is not 

11 1 i_ -r\ ... , _ '-.7 • 

but Dan 

or the '^ Danish entrench- 

" Danorum vallum/' 
ment ; " and the narratives of various assaults 
which it has withstood, and of its vicissitudes of 
destruction and restoration, are to be found in the 
collections of Langebek, Wormius, and Suhm, 
as well as in the Saga of Olaf Tryggveson and 



orimnal construction. Mr. Laing, in his version 
of the Heimskringhy says in a note at p. 390, vol. i. 
that it was raised by Harald Blaatand to resist 
the incursions of Charlemagne ; and the Archse- 
ological Society of Copenhagen, in their Index 
to the Scripta Historica Idandorum^ vol. xii. 
p. 118, describe it as "vallum vel munimentum 
illustre, in finlbus Dani» meridionalibus posi- 
fum ; quod a Regina Thyria filioque Haraldo cog- 
nomine Bldtoon extructum esse fertur." 
'- But whatever the date of its original formation, 
this remarkable work was in complete preservation 
and efficiency in the time of the King Olaf Tryggve- 
son, who reigned in Norway between a.d. 995 and 

1000; and his Saga recounts the two expeditions 
conducted by the Emperor Otho, to compel the 
Danes by force of arms to conform to Christianity. 
In the second of these, when Otho, a.d. 998, led 
an army to the Daneverk, its condition is thus 
described in'the Saga : 

"De meridie Ottho Imperator veniens, Danavirkum 
accessit, munimentorum istius valli defensore cum suis 
Hakono Jarlo. Danevirki autem ea erat constitutio, ut ab 
utroque mari duo sinus longius in continentem penetrent, 
inter intimos quorum recessus relictum terrse spatium 
munierant Dani, ducto ex lapide, cespite, atque arboribus 
vallo, extra quod fossa lata atque profunda in altum erat 
depressa, sed ad portas disposita castella." — fSnorri Stur- 
leson, Heimshringla^ vol. i. p. 217, 

Another version of the same Saga, edited by 
Svienbjorn Egilsson, in the collection of the histo- 
rians of Iceland, published by the Royal Society 
of Copenhagen, gives some minuter particulars, 
describing the nature of the country between the 
Eider and the Schlei : 

" Duo sinus hinc illinc in terram insinuant; inter in- 
tima vero sinuum bracliiaDani aggerem altum et firmum 
extruerant, etc. — Centeni quique passus portam liabebant 
oui superstructum erat castellum ad defensionem muni- 
menti; nam pro singulis portis pons fossae erat impositus." 
— Scrip. Hist. Islandiccy t. i. 144: see also ib,y t. x. 228, 

etc. ; xi. 23. 

History it is said repeats itself; and the result 
of the assault of the Emperor Otho has a parallel 
in the present war between the Prussians and the 
Danes: when the former, instead of persevering 

in the attack on the D 

turned the 

flank of the defenders by a movement across the 
Schlei, by which they succeeded in landing their 
troops in the rear of the great embankment. 
Precisely the same strategy is stated, jn the Saga, 
to have been resorted to by the German Emperor 
nearly a thousand years before. Earl Hakon, 
who commanded on the side of the Danes, so suc- 
cessfully repulsed every assault of the enemy, 
that Otho fell back towards the south ; collected 
his ships of war at the mouth of the Schlei, 
landed them to the north of the Danne-verke, 

and eventually achieved a victory. 

The cata- 
laf Trygg- 

veson : 

"Ceciderc ibi ex Imperatoris acie plurimi, nullo ad 
vallum capiendi emoluniento ; quare Imperator (re non 
saipius tentata!) inde decessit .... turn flexo mox 
Slesvicum versum itinere, cum totam illuc classem^ acci- 
verat, exercitum inde in Jutlandiam transportavit." 
HeimskringlUi torn. i. p. 218. 

This battle is celebrated, in the Vellekla^ in^ a 

Laing : 

thus rendered into English by Mr 

" Earl Hakon drove, by daring deeds, 
These Saxons to their ocean steeds; 
And the young hero saved from fall 

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Archbishop of Dublin. Not so familiar are cer- 
tain minor and more curious gifts, which he kept 

more eager was he to speak. It has been 
posed that the figure of the " Dean/' in 

Mr. Lg- 

f Roland 

elegant writer 


from him. Indeed there can be no question but 
that it is an unacknowledged portrait. 


" What is the difference,'' he asked of a youno- 

clergyman he was examining, " between a form and 
a ceremony? The meaning seems nearly the 

by him for his own and his friends' entertainment, same ; yet there is a very nice distinction." Va- 

which broke out at times on more public occa- 



in queer quaint distinctions ; and if an object had 
by any possibility some strange distorted side or 
corner, or even point, which was undermost, he 
would gladly stoop down his mind to get that 
precise view of it, nay, would draw it in that odd 
light for the amusement of the company. 

nous answers were given 


lies in this : you sit upon a form, but you stand- 

upon ceremony 


and the Rev. Mr. Day, a popular preacher. " How 
inconsistent," said the archbishop, *'is the piety of 
certain ladies here. They go to day for a sermon, 

Thus he struck Guizot, who described him as and to morrow for a novel ! " 

" startling and ingenious, strangely absent, fami- 
liar, confused, eccentric, amiable, and ennraijinir, 
no matter what unpoliteness he might commit, or host, ^' Mr. 

what propriety he might forget." In short, a 
mind with a little of the Sydney Smith's leaven, 
whose brilliancy lay in precisely these odd analo- 


It was his recreation to take up some in- 
tellectual hobby, and make a toy of it. Just as 

At a dinner party he called out suddenly to the 

!" There was silence. "Mr. , 

what is the proper female companion of this John 
Dory ? " After the usual number of guesses an 
answer came, "Anne Chovy." 

Another Riddle. 

"The laziest letter in the 

years ago, he was said to have taken up that strange alphabet ? The letther G ! " (lethargy.) 

instrument the boomerang, and was to be seen on 
the sands casting it from him, and watching it 
return. It was said, too, that at the dull intervals 
of a visitation, when ecclesiastical business lan- 
guished, he would cut out little miniature boome- 
rangs of card, and amuse himself by illustrating 
the principle of the larger toy, by shooting them 
from his finger. 

The even, and sometimes drowsy, current of 
Dublin society was almost always enlivened by some 
little witty boomerang of his, fluttering from mouth 
to mouth, and from club to club. The archbishop's 
last was eagerly looked for. Some were indif- 
ferent, some were trifling ; but it was conceded 
that all had an odd extravagance, which marked 
them as original, quaint, queer. In this respect he 
was the Sydney Smith of the Irish capital, with this 
difierence — that Sydney Smith's king announced 
that he would never make the lively Canon of St. 
Paul's a Bishop. 

Homoeopathy was a medical paradox, and was 
therefore welcome. Yet in this he travelled out 
of the realms of mere fanciful speculation, and 
clung to it with a stern and consistent earnestness, 
faithfully adhered to through his last illness. 
Mesmerism, too, he delighted to play with. He 
had, in fact, innumerable dadas, as the French call 
them, or hobby-horses, upon which he was con- 
tinually astride. 

^ This led him into a pleasant affectation of being 

&-c.^ and the 


The most unmusical in the 

world — having a Dun-Drum, Still- Organ, and a 
Bray for stations. 

Doctor Gregg. — The new bishop and he at 

dinner. Archbishop : '' Come, 
John Cork, you mustn't stop the 
The answer was not ina{)t : " I see 
is determined to draw me out.'' 


you are 
bottle here." 

On Doctor K x's promotion to the bishopric 

of Down, an appointment in some quarters un- 
popular : '' The Irish government will not be able 
to stand many more such Knocks Down as this!" 

The merits of the same bishop being canvassed 
before him, and it being mentioned that he had 
compiled a most useful Ecclesiastical Directory, 
with the Values of Livings, &c., "If that be so," 
said the archbishop, *' I hope next time the claims 
of our friend Thom will not be overlooked." 
(Thorn, the author of the well-known Almanack.^ 




« ' 

to preach before him." 




raore recondite or less known the subject, the to-day." "Oh, your G 

begged to be let off, saying 
will excuse my preaching next Sunday." 
tainly," said the other indulgently. Sunday came, 
and the archbishop said to him, " Well ! Mr. 
What became of you ? we expected you to preach 


> * 



S'd S. V. Feb. 13, '64.] 



my preaching to-day." ' "Exactly; but I did not 
say I would excuse yon from preaching." 

At a lord lieutenant's banquet a <]:race was 

"My lord," said the 

Cassel; 11. Louisa-CaroHne of Hesse Cassel; 12, 
Christian IX., King of Denmark; 13. Alexandra, 
Princess of Wales. 

IV. 1 to 8, as Descent I ; 9. Princess Louisa 
given of unusual length. "My lord," saia the of England; 10. Princess Louise of Denmark; 
archbishop, "did you ever hear the story of Lord 11. Louisa-Caroline of Hesse Cassel ; 12. Chris- 

Mulgrave's chaplain ? " " No," said the lord lieu- 
tenant. "A young chaplain had preached a ser- 
mon of great length. * Sir,' said Lord Mulgrave, 

bowing to him, * there were some things in your 
sermon of to-day I never heard before.' ^ 0, my 
lord,' said the flattered chaplain, ' it is a common 
text, and I could not have hoped to have said any- 
thing new on the subject.' ' / heai^cl the clock 
stinke twice^' said Lord ^lulgrave." 

At some religious ceremony at which he was to 
officiate in the country, a young curate who at- 
tended him grew very nervous as to their being 
late. " My good young friend," said the arch- 
bishop, " I can only say to you what the criminal 
going to be hanged said to those around, who were 
hurrying him, ' Let us take our time ; they can't 
begin without us.' " roRicK Junior. 



I have met with the curious fact, that the 
infant Prince of Wales, whose birth is now the 
subject of universal rejoicing, is descended from 
King Henry VII. in eight different ways, 
being through his mother ; so that he derives 
more Tudor blood from his mother than his father 
in the ratio of three to one. The subjoined out- 
line of the descents may not be uninteresting to 
some readers of " N. & Q." 

Paternal Descents. 

I. 1. Princess Margaret; 2. James V. King of 
Scotland ; 3. Mary, Queen of Scots ; 4. James I. 
King of England; 5. Princess Elizabeth of Eng- 
land; 6. Princess Sophia of Bohemia; 7. George I. 
King of England ; 8. George IL King of Eng- 
land; 9. Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales; 10. 
George IIL King of England; 11. Edward, Duke 
of Kent; 12. Queen Victoria; 13. [Albert-Ed- 
ward, Prince of Wales. 

IL 1. Princess Margaret; 2. Lady Margaret 
Douglas ; 3. Henry Earl of Darnley ; 4. James L 
King of England ; 5. Princess Elizabeth of Eng- 
land; 6. Princess Sophia of Bohemia; 7. George I. 
King of England ; 8. George IL King of Eng- 

eg • 10. 

George IIL Kinu of 

land ; 9. Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wal 

__ - - ^ Enojland; IL Edward, 

Duke of Kent; 12. Queen Victoria ; 13. Albert- 
Edward, Prince of Wales. : 

Maternal Descents.- : 

-llJ-^'ltoS, as Descent L; 9. Princess Mary 
of England; 10. Charles, Landgrave of Hesse 

tian IX. King of Denmark ; 13. Alexandra, 
Princess of Wales. 

V. 1 to 3, as Descent IL ; 4 to 13, as Descent 

VL 1 to 3, as Descent IL; 4 to 13, as Descent 

yiL 1 to 9 as Descent IIL; 10. Frederick, 
Prince of Hesse Cassel ; 11. William, Prince of 
Hesse Cassel ; 12. Queen of Denmark ; 13. Alex- 
andra, Princess of Wales. 

VIIL 1 to 3 as Descent IL : 4 to 13 as De- 

scent VIL 

Charles Bridger. 


Having determined to build a bridge over the 
Thames, the first thing to do is to sink shafts for 
the foundations of the piers ; and a nice long work 
it is, for the deeper you get, the more you can't get 
any foundation at all. Even as far back as Thames 

Street this is the case 

very unsatisfactory to 

contractors ! but the old rule holds good here as 
elsewhere — the ill wind to the bridgemakers is all 
in favour of the antiquaries. For why is all this 
land on the Thames bank up to Thames Street so 
rotten and unstable ? Simply because it is a vast 
rubbish heap. At the top we have the debris of 
former buildings, the ruins of the Great Fire. 
Let us watch awhile the navvies as they pick 
away and cart off the rubbish ; first a few coins 
of later reigns, old broken pots and crockery of all 
sorts, not unlike the roughest of the present day. 
Here some ancient weights remind you, that once 
upon a time here stood the old Steelyard. What 
are those black bits of leather the men are shak- 
ing and knocking the dirt off'? Look closely at 
one, and you will see it once covered the dainty 
foot of some fair city damsel. How prettily her 
little red stocking must have peeped through the 
curiously cut open-work in front, mighty pretty 
to look at, but not over warm one would think. 
Here is a shoe of the reign of Queen Bess, with 
its long heel, and pointed toe ; not thrown away 
before a huge hole had been worn in the sole. 
How any feet could have been tortured into 
the boots belonging to those soles, not unlike 

one can hardly imagine. 

hour-glasses in shape. 

Close to these more pc ^, , „ 

other respect the same as when it was thrown 
away ; jugs of common unglazed stoneware, orna- 
mented round the bottom with the great thumbs 
of the potters. Here and there a bit of better 
quality of the same shape, but heavily glazed. 



[3'd S. V. Feb. 13, '64. 




perfect ; no, its handle has gone, 
glorious old Bellarmine jug, with the three lions 
of England on either side. The pick has unfor- 
tunately made a small] hole in one side,^ but no 
great consequence, for, on nearer observation, you 
you see it is like the rest, thrown away because 


a little further, and up turn relics of 
knightly deeds mixed with the thrown-away tools 
of the craftsman — spurs without rowels ; some 
with long spikes instead; some with rowels^ an 
inch and a half in diameter, having a terribly 
fierce look. How did the horses fare, you wonder. 
Up turns a great horseshoe ; and you remember 
that the beasts in question were the great Flemish 
fellows, and you hope they had thicker skins than 
our more graceful and beautiful favourites. Those 
horseshoes are worth looking at. See how for- 
ward the nails are put : surely better than we 
do. Again, they are evidently cut with a sharp 
instrument out of a thick sheet of metal, pro- 
bably when cold ; a fact which would account for 
their being as good as new. W 

limited store of false relics of all ages — all found 
on the spot of course. If you are not a good 
judge of such things leave them alone altogether, 
or you will lose your money, and be well laughed 
at by friends and foes. 
'^It caligatus in agros. 




soles which have just been once more brought to 
light. Surely these must be the horrible military 
nailed boots so harassing to the corns of the civi- 
lian ; there is not a space without a great nail. 
Look here, too, on this one is a bit of Roman pottery 
sticking ! Military boots ! — no such thing ; why . 
they would only fit a lady ; and here is a tiny one, 
just so armed, which must have belonged to qiute 
a child. No doubt this hill side was then rough 
and muddy enough, and so they required stout 

under leathers. Why 

a sandal, beauti- 

fully cut out of one sheet of leather — no nails here* 
It was well worn, however, before the wearer cast 
it off; the holes in the bottom are still visible. 
Here one is struck by the enormous quantity of 
broken red pottery. How perfectly indestructi- 
ble it is, but all broken ; much had been mended 
and rivetted by the Romans themselves. Their 
looking bits of" pipe-clay, with the names of the drills must have been as good as ours, so perfect 
makers stamped on the edges ? Are they tobacco- and smooth are the holes for the rivets. Here. 

stoppers ? Let us try. H 
but what tiny bowls. It will not do, the things 
will not go into them at all ; and still there are 
so many, they must have been for some use. 
They served our ancestors for curl papers to keep 
their wigs in order. Just look at those pins — 
some three inches long ; some with leaden heads, 
no doubt considered highly ornamental. What 
a curious collection of old knives and forks, and 
how strangely time has aSected them. This fork 
— see ! might be polished again it is so nearly 
perfect, even the ivory handle with silver studs is 
undecayed, though discoloured. Its partner, the 
knife, is quite gone — nought but the shape re- 
remains — handle all powder, and blade not much 

Shall we never get down to terra firma? Surely 
we must now be over twenty feet below the sur~ 

too, we have A and B scratched on the surface to 
show how the bits fitted. Broken to fragments 
as it is, all the pottery and glass is well worth 
examination. Though not one perfect, or nearly 
perfect, bowl be found, from the fragments you 
may make a regular Roman pattern book, and 
very excellent patterns too ; consisting of adapta- 

tions of all sorts of 


as if we 

face, and how dark the soil is getting. It looks 

were on the banks of a great river. 
And so you are ; in a few feet more you will be on 
the old Roman river bank, and then the rubbish 
heap will be still more interesting than higher up. 
Even here, however, will be some familiar things 
not unlike those in use in the present day. 

" Would you like to buy some of these thinors 
we've found,'* says a simple looking navvy ? 



and other plants 
beautifully conventionalized. Here and there are 
fine geometrical ornaments ; but, above all, how 
excellent are the animals — lions fighting with 
boars, wolves, dogs, leopards, tigers just about to 

On one bowl are many illustrations of 
the gladiators labours ; surely that man is fighting 
with a bull ; here the secutor is pursuing the re- 
tiarlus. There are wild beasts ; one poor fellow 
is lying flat on his back, dead ; the author of his 



iS missmg. 


have ladies' ornaments, some very odd ; one 
bracelet is formed out of a bit of iron wire, and that 
is all ; another is made of iron, bronze, and copper 
wire twisted together, showing how cheap orna- 
ments were fashionable among the lower orders 

as now. 

them must 

classed those great bone skewers, of which I see 

about, if indeed some of them 


us see what you have." "I've got the right stufi' 
this time, guv'nor ; but the man as Las found 'em 
wants a tidy bit. Here 



^ If you are a collector beware ! That man, 
simple as he looks, can supply you witli an un- 

were not tools. Do you want to know what the 
Romans had for needles and pins ? here you may* 
satisfy your curiosity. Pins there are of "bone 
and ivory; needles also of the same. Some of 
bronze verv well made, but rather coarse, from' 

See, too, there is 

an mch to six inches in length. 

a good and perfect gimlet ; look at the ring on 
the top to put a cross piece of wood throug' 


3'4 S. V. F^. 13, '64.] 



instead of over as with us. Those two long 



up a meat hook, a small bell, a 
rmg; some soldier's perhaps, 
tity of writing pens, with sharp points at one end to 
write with, and aflat edge at the other to erase with. 
To make us sure that the bank of the Thames 
in Roman times extended thus far, we now ac- 
tually come upon their embankment ; great piles 
driven in with transverse timbers all along the 
old water line. But now we must bid good bye 
to our rubbish heap, for down comes the concrete, 
and in a day or two the hole will be closed for 


J • U. J . 





** During three years (458 — 460) Auvergne aud Dau- 
phine were connilsed by violent and continued volcanic 
eruptions • . . . attended by earthquakes, shaking as it 
were the foundations of the earth. Thunders rolled 
through the subterraneous caverns ; so awful were the 
concussions, the sounds, the fires, that the beasts of the 
forest, driven from their haunts, sought refuge in the 
abodes of mankind, 

" An impending invasion of the Goths added to the 
terror of the threatenings of Nature. Instructed, and pro- 
fiting by the example of the Ninevites, Mamertus, 
Bishop of Vienne, assembled his people in prayer and 
humiliation. To avert the evil, he instituted the solemn 
Litanies, or Rogations on the three days preceding the 
Feast of the Ascension, because they were the only days 
of the year then actuallj'' set apart for the purpose of such 
solemn supplications. These forms of prayer, rendered 
more impressive by the awful character of the calamities 
and portents which had suggested them, corresponding 
so nearly with the signs and judgments of Scripture, 
were speedily adopted throughout Gaul and England. 
Here they were continued by usage and tradition, until 
finally established as a portion of the national ritual in 
the, Council held at Cleofeshoe (a.d. 749), which ap- 
pointed that three days should be kept holy, after the 
manner of former times; and it is hardly needful to ob- 
serve, that the Rogation days retain their station in the 
Rubric of the Church of England at the present day. 

** A remarkable epistle of Sidonius ApoUinaris, Bishop 
of Clermont . . . addressed to Mamertus himself .... 
preserves a full notice of the earthquakes and volcanic 
eruptions. Alcimus Avitus, the successor of Mamertus, 
carries on the chain of testimony. This prelate .... 
composed an ample series of Rogation Homilies ; and in 
addressing his people, he recalls to their memory the 
events which a great portion of them must have wit- 
nessed, and exhorts them to gratitude for the deliverance 
they had received." FHomilia de Rogat. v. Grynaei 
Orthodoxographa, p. 1777; Sirmondi Opuscula, ii. 150-7; 
Ejusdem Opp., ii. 134-40 ; Bihliotheca Maxima, ix. 591-2 ; 

Sermo Feria tertia in Rogat. v. 'Martene Thesaurus, i. 
47—56.] ' 

" Amongst the strange examples of the oblivion at- 
tending written evidence, not merely when lurking in 
archives or concealed in manuscript?, but when amply 
diffused by means of the printing-press, we may remark 
that this is perhaps the first time that Avitus has been 
quoted as elucidating either Sidonius, or Gregory of 


the latter of whom also notices the events, 

— Quarterly Review ^ voL Ixxiv. 


with more brevity/' — 
294, sqq. 

This Is a strange statement, inasmuch as in the 
edition of Sidonius by Slnnondus, referred to by 
this writer, as in that by Savaro, these two au- 
thors — Sidonius and Avitus — are illustrated by 
each other ; and Sirmondus expressly remarks : 
" Cum hac auteni epistola [lib. vii. ep. 1] compa- 
randa est Alcimi Aviti Homilia de Rogationibus 
. . . sunt enini ut arojumento, sic tota narrationis 

serle simillimas." The spiritual weapons with 
which the Arverni were instructed by Pope Ma- 
mertus succeeded, observes Sidonius, " si non 

effectu pari, affectu certe non impari 

Doces denuntiatae solitudinis minas orationuni 
frequentia esse amoliendas : mones assiduitateni 
furentis incendii aqua potius oculorum quain 
fluminum posse restingui : mones minacem terrae 
motuum conflictationem fidei stabilitate firman- 
dam." Cf. Baronii Annal. JEccL ad A.c. 475 ; 
Beyerlinck, Theatrum Humance VitcE^ vi. 356. 

'' The title of Pope is given to Mamertus by the 
early writers, and perhaps the style of Pope was 
assumed by or given to the see of Vienne — so 
venerable for its antiquity. 

The treatise, De Statu Animce^ inserted in Gry- 
n^ei OrtlwdoxograpJia (pp. 1248 — 1306), and in 
Biblioth. Maxima^ vi., is by a brother of the bishop. 
See Butler's Lives of the Saints^ May 11. 

" Quid plura,'* writes Gregory of Tours, refer- 
ring to the same terrors (Hist. Franc.^ lib. ii. 


s. 34 ; in Bouquet, Gallicarum Ii. S.^ ii. 553 ; 
Acta Sanctorum^ Maii xi.) '' penetravit excelsa 
poli oratio Pontificis inclyti, restinxitque domus 
incendium flumen profluentium lacryniarum." Cf. 
Adonis Chronicon^ ad annum 452 (in BihL Pair.^ 
1618, ix. ; BihL Maxima, xv. 796) ; '•Binii Notas 
ad Hilari Papse Epistolas," in Labbe, iv. 1047; 

and " Concil. Arelatense, 


Rupertus, lib. ix. c. 5. 


1040, sqq. ; 
(In Hittorpii SuppL de 

Divinis Officiis^ i. 1 028) . Liturgia GalUcana^ 
Mabillonii, p. 152. Baronius (id)i suprd^ vi. 310,) 
adds: "At de his (Rogationibus) consule a nobis 
dicta in Notutionibus ad Romanum Martyr oh giant 
(ad 25 Aprilis) locupletius." Other authorities 
are ijiven in Ducange's Glossariiim. 

^' We have two sermons of St. Mammertus, one on the 
Rogations, the other on the Repentance of the Ninevites, 
being the twenty-fourth and twenty-fifth among the dis- 
courses which bear the name of Eusebius of Emisa." 
[These are printed in BihUoth. Fatr.y 1618, torn. v. par. 1, 
pp. 5G8-9, sub nomine Eusebii Gallicani. By Hooker these 
Homilies are all ascribed to Salvianus, Book vi. iv. G,] 
"For an account of the literary history of these Homilies, 
and of the vflrious opinions which have been entertained 
regarding their origin, see Oudin, Comment, de Scriptor. 
Eccles., i. 390— 42G. He does not mention Salvian as one 
of the supposed authors, but after deciding against the 
claims of Eucherius and Hilary of Aries, acquiesces in that 
of Eaustus Regiensis." — Keble. 




[3^d s. V. Feb. 13, '64, 

CoNGREVE THE PoET. — In a foot iiote to p. 213, 
Yol. ii., Cunningham's edition of Johnson's Lives 
of the Poets, it is stated on the authority of Leigh 
Hunt, that Congreve's mother was Anne Fitzher- 
bert, daughter of Sir Thomas Fitzherbert. This 
statement is erroneous. The mother of the poet 
was a Miss Browning; his grandmother was the 
Anne Fitzherbert spoken of, 

was Colonel William Congreve, who was the son 
of Richard Congreve, a cavalier named for the 
Order of the Royal Oak. Richard Congreve was 
descended from Richard Congreve, temp. Henry 
VI, whose ancestor was Galfrid de Congreve of 
Stretton and Congreve, temp. Edward IL He 
was descended from another Galfrid de Congreve 
and a dauirhter of the house of Drawbridgecourt 

Congreve's father 

of HantS; te77ip. Richard I. The family was settled 
at Congreve, in Staffordshire, long before the Con- 
quest. The best portrait of Congreve is undoubt- 
edly that by Sir Godfrey Kneller, now in the 
possession of the junior branch of the family. 

H. C. 

A Heroine. — The following, which I have 

extracted from a New York paper, seems to me 

. worthy of preservation : 

"Mrs. Catherine Shepherd has just died at Hudson, 
Kew Jersey, upwards of 100 years of age. Her father 
was Jacob Van Winkle, a descendant of one of the origi- 
nal Dutch settlers there. Her husband was a soldier of the 
revolution. From a steeple at South Bergen she saw the 
British fleet take possession of New York, and the British 
army marching to Philadelphia. The British soldiers 
liung her father because he would not give them up his 
money, and after leaving him for dead, she cut him down, 
and restored him to life. She risked her life in carrying a 
message to the American commander at Belleville, to 
warn him of a night attack from the British forces, by 
"which she saved the American troops from destruction.""^ 

T. B. 

Pkimula : THE Primrose. 

** ^Cur,' mea Phillis ait, Me te mWn primula venit, 

Primula, flaventes rcre gravata comas: 
Scilicet ingenti permiscet gaudia curre, 
Atque inter niedias spes quoque pallet amor. 


I forget where I met with these lines, but sus- 
pect they are of Etonian origin. I do not think 
they have ever appeared in print. 

Primula here^undoubtedly means the primrose; 
but the London gardeners give to a different plant 
of the same species, which bears a crimson flower, 
the name of primula. See in the conservatory at 
the Pantheon, Oxford Street, Jan. 1864. 

Camel born in England. — On Thursday the 
7th January last, a young camel was born at Hack- 
ney, during the stay of Wombwell's Menagerie 

there. As this is said to be the first instance of 
one being born in this country, it is worth noting. 
By-the-bye, what is the proper name for a 
young camel? Is it a calf? J. C. J. 


N. & Q 

It may be worth 

in his 

memoir of this statesman gives him the title of 



History of 

does it appear in the Catalogue of these Knights 
contained in Sir Harris Nicolas's Synopsis of the 
Peei^aoe. Sir Francis seems to have received 

his services. 



A few days ago, I was at a party 
of literary people, where the question was asked : 
'' What is neology ?'' The answer that was given, 
whatever might be its merits in other respects, 
appeared to me to have so much wit in it as to 
deserve being made a Note of. 

"Neology" — said the gentleman who under- 
took to solve the question — " Neology is the 
visible horizon that bounds the out-look of the 
popular mind ; and, as such, it recedes as the 
popular mind advances. In the time of Galileo, 
the revolution of the earth round its axis was 
neology. Half a century ago, neo\ogy was barely 
distinguishable from g'^ology. In the present day, 
neology consists in the application — or, as some 
deem it, the misapplication — of learning and com- 
mon sense to the records of revelation. Who can 
say what will be the horizon of the popular mind 


ten years hence ? " 

Lynch Law in the Twelfth Century. 


have lately stumbled upon the following in Harl. 
MS. 3875, fo. 288. The scribe, in a side-note, 
naively remarks that it is *' a sharpe reckoning " ; 
and in this most of the readers of ^^ N. & Q." 
will I think aofree : — 


*^ Testiculi presbiteri ahscisi. — Alexander archie'pus 
(Ebor') salutem, &c. Noverit nniversitas vra, quod acce- 
dens ad nostram p'sentiam Joh'es de Clapham, nobis ex- 
posuit, quod ipse dim quendam d'num Jo'hem Biset, 
capellanura, cum Johanna filia Lodowici de Skirrouthe, 
uxore sua, solum cum sola in camera quadam ostio clauso 
turpiter invenit, qui dolorem hujusmodi ferre non valens, 
testiculos prefati Presbyteri abscidit Nos autem, auditis, 
et plenius intellectis factis antedictis cum circumstantiis, 
p'fatum Jo'hem de Clapham ab excessu hujusmodi absol- 
vimus in forma juris, et eidem pro p'missis penam in- 
junximus salutarera. Dat' apud Cawoode, 20^ Decemb^, 

John Sleigh. 


Thomas Jenny, gent., was one of the persons 
attainted by Parliament in respect of the great 
northern rebellion in 1569. 

From an abstract of his examination in Sir . '' 
Cuthbert Sharp's Memorials (271, 272) it ap- 
pears that he had been trained up under Sir ^ 
Henry Norris and Thomas Randolph in the 
queen's service in France and Scotland. 








■ " These circumstances render it almost certain 
that he was the author of the following poems : 

Poem by Thomas Jenye, entitled " Maister Randolphe's 
Phantasy, a brief calculation of the proceedings in Scot- 
land, from the first of July to the last of December." 
[This poem extends to about 800 lines, and is dedicated 
to Thomas Randolphe, in an epistle dated by the author 
"At his Chamber in Edinburgh,'' 31 July, 1565. It 
professes to feive an account of the proceedings and 
troubles in Scotland, consequent on the marriage of the 
queen %vith Lord Darnley, and is supposed to be narrated 
by Thomas Randolphe."] (Thorpe's Cal Scottish State 
Papersy 227.) 

" A Discovrs of the present troobles in Fraunce, and 
miseries of this tyme, compvled by Peter Ronsard, gen- 
tilman of Vandome, and dedicated unto the Queene 
Mother. Translated by Thomas Jeney, gentilman. Ant- 
werp, 4to, 1568. Dedicated to Sir Henry Norries, Knight, 
L. ambassadour resident in Fraunce." (Ritson's Bibl 
Foetica^ 257.) 

Randolph, In a letter to Cecil, dated Berwick, 
May 26, 1566, alludes to an untrue accusation 
aorainst himofwrltlr 


Phantasy, and Queen 
Elizabeth, by a letter dated Greenwich, June 13, 
in the same year, remonstrates with the Queen of 
Scots on her unjust treatment of Mr. Randolph 
in regard to his Phantasy. (Thorpe, 234, 235.) 
Jenny, after his attainder, fled from England, and 
was at Brussels in June 1570. (Thorpe, 293.) 
He was living therein 1576, and had a pension 

from the king of Spain. 

Pie is sometimes called Genynges or Jennings. 
In AVright's Queen Elizabeth and her Times 

(i. 255) 


writer had come from Dieppe to Rye in order to 
provide an English barque for the escape of the 
Earl of Murray from France. The allusion to 

my Lorde my master" is apparently to Sir 
Henry Norris, and there can be no reasonable 
doubt that this Thomas Jenny is the writer of 
the letter referred to. 

I desire specially to ascertain, (1.) Whether 
Maister Randolphe's Phantasy was printed, and 
if so, where ? (2.) Whether Thomas Jenny can 
be identified with Thomas Brookesby, alias Jen- 
nings, who figures in the investigations relative 
to the Gunpowder Plot? (See Green's CaL Dam. 
State Tapers, Jas. I. i. 250, 292, 293, 297, 303.) 
And generally I shall be glad to receive any other 
information respecting Thomas Jenny and his 


S. Y 

Americanisms. — Are the words, "conjure" and 

So it 
' I do 

"conjurations,'* unknown in England? 
would seem from a note on the passage, 
i\%^y thy conjurations " {Romeo and Juliet, Act V. 
Sc. 3), in Dyce's Few Notes (p. 115), where the 
commentator cites a passage from an early drama 
to prove that conjuration means earnest entreaty. 

The word, in this sense, is in every-day use in 
the United States. 

I find, in the London ^S/^y for April, 1699 (p. 15.), 
the expression : ^' When we had liquored our 
tiiroats,'* &c. Perhaps this may be regarded as 
the origin of our cant phrase, ''to liquor," or '' t(» 

It is, of 

meaning, to take a dram. 

liquor up '' 

course, confined to the vulgar. 

Mr. TroUope, in his North America, uses the 
verb '* be little,'* which has always been considered 

a gross Americanism. 

The Greeks used the verb 


fiiKpvpw, the Germans verkleinen, and the French 
rapettisser, in the same way, J. C. Lindsay. 

St. Paul, Minnesota. 


" The Honour of Christ vindicated ; or, a Hue nnd Cry 
after the Bully -who assaulted Jacob in his Solitiuk*. 
Printed for, and sold by the Booksellers of London and 
Westminster, m.d.ccxxxii. 

Who wrote this tract, which is dedicated '' To 
the Reverend Dr. J. T.^' Who was the Doctor ? * 
It advocates the view that an emissary of Esau 
invaded the quiet of Jacob, and tried to nssassi- 
nate him. It is certainly not a reverent pnuluc- 
tion ; but it is hard to say what was considered 
irreverent in days when Swift could write as he 
wrote on the subject of the Spirit. Would tlie 
date admit of the tract having been written by 
that bookseller, named Annett, who was prose- 
cuted some time or other for blasphemy? C. 

AuBERY AND Du Val. — Can you refer me to 
any information respecting Mons, Aubery and 
Mons. Du Val, who came to England as Commis- 
sioners of France in the reign of King Edward 
VI. ? They are mentioned in a letter from Tlio- 
mas Barnabe to Sir AVilliam Cecil, Secretary of 



P. S. C. 

Great Battle of Cats. — More than thirty 
years ago, I have a perfect recollection of hearing 
the following strange story told as a fact, by u 
gentleman who believed it to be true. I was 
very young at the time, and the story made a 
strange impression on my mind. I find it in an 
old note-book of my own, from which I wish to 
transfer it to a lasting niche in " N. & Q. '* 

The narrator, was a Kilkenny gentleman, and 
the scene of the alleged conflict was laid on a plain 
near that ancient city. The time might have been 
some forty years before the tale " as it was told to 
me :" so that, calculating up to the present time, 
the hella horrida hella would be about seventy-five 
or eighty years ago. My informant stated that 
he knew persons, then alive, who actually in- 
spected the *' fiejd, after the battle." 

One night, in the summer time, all the cats in 

[• Trobably the Eev. Dr. Joseph Trapp.— Ed.] 



IS^d S. Y. Fkb. 13, ^64. 


citj and county of Kilkenny, were absent from 
ir "local habitations ;" and next morning, the 
plain alluded to (I regret I have not the name) was 
found covered with thousands of slain tabbies ; and 
the report was, that almost all the cats in Ireland 
had joined in the contest ; as many of the slain 
had collars on their necks, which showed that 
they had collected from all quarters of the island. 
The cause of the quarrel, however, was not stated ; 
but it seemed to have been a sort of provincial 

between the cats of Ulster and 
Leinster — probably the quadrupeds took up the 
quarrels of their masters, as at that period there 
was very ill feeling between the people of both 
provinces. I have no doubt, that this Kote will 
elicit something further on this curious story, of 



which the above is a skeleton. 

This has nothing to do with the story of the 
two famous Kilkenny cats. S. Redmond. 


Becket. — Can any reader give mo a clue to 

the history of a " Captain Becket," who perished 

fighting under Marlborough (where, I cannot 

say) ? ° He married Elenor 'Percy. The tradition 

is, that she was a ward in Chancery ; and that, in 

consequence of his marriage with her, Becket was 

- - ' ■ j^i3 (]escend- 

St. T. 

obliged to escape to the Contment. 
ants are quite numerous 

Lord Kingsale 

Robert Callis was author of TJw Beading upon 
the Statute 23 Hen. VIII. cap. 5, of Sewers, 2nd 
edit. 1685, 4to. I shall be glad of any informa- 
tion concerning him or his family. 

Edward Peacock. 

Bottesford Manor, Brigg, 

Posterity of the Emperor Charlemagne. 
It would appear by Burke's Peerage., and indeed 
by other publications of a kindred character, that 

derives his descent from John, 
only son of William De Courci, Baron of Stoke- 
Courci, CO. Somerset, and Lord of Harewood. 

An inquisition held on the death of this Wil- 
liam De Courci, who was Justice of Normandy, 
and who died a.d. 1186, represents that he had 
but one son William, and a daughter Alice, who 
married Waryn Fitz-Gerold, Chamberlain to 
King John. 

According to the testimony of deeds, the au- 
thority of which is unquestioned and unquestion- 
able, William de Courci, brother of Alice, wife of 
Waryn Fitz-Gerold, died unmarried and without 
issue, 9 RicL, whereupon his sister Alice became 
his sole heir, in which capacity she had livery of 
all his estates. In further confirmation of this 
fact, Waryn Fitz-Gerold, only son and heir of his 
mother Alice, obtained, a.d. 1205, a. charter of 
free warren in respect of the . manor of Hare- 
•wood. That William de Courci was the last 
lineal descendant in the male line of the Emperor 
Charlemagne. This being the case, perhaps from 

some of your numerous correspondents informa- 
tion may be obtained as to the origin of the house 


of Kingsale. 

De Scarth. 



Family or De bcARTH. — Uan your 
spondent P. inform me whereabouts in Holstein 
stands the stone marking the place 
Skartha, the friend and comnanion of Swein ? 

where fell 


be the 

Kinff of 

This Swein, or Swejne, must 
Denmark who, in the year 1003, established him- 
self in England ; if so, he probably bestowed the 
lands in Orkney, bearing the name of Skarth, on 



is peculiar to Orkney, though your other corre- 
spondent, Sholto Macduff, says that in Annan- 
dale some lands were granted under a somewhat 
similar title by Bruce, the Lord of Annandale, on 
his inheriting the throne, to the garrison of hi 

castle. I merely throw out this suggestion for 
the sake of a reply from those better informed 
than myself, and 1 should be glad to hear more 
on the subject. J. S. D. 

The Danish Eight of Succession. — Can any 
of your numerous Shaksperian readers account 
for, or explain why, the right of succession, which, 
on the death of the king should have seated 

Hamlet on the throne of Denmark, is never 
alluded to by any one in the whole course of the 
play ? 

And 1 should also be glad to know if an} 


on the subj ect ? 


Engraving on Gold and Silver. — Permit me 


how long has the 

articles of gold and silver been practised? 

art of engraving 

have looked into Herbert's History of the Gold- 
smiths' Company, but he is not definite on this 
head. I should like to know the first engraved 
arms. This was probably on a salt, which was 
formerly placed in the centre of a table : above 
which, sat the lord and his family ; below, the 
higher servants of the household. Hence the by- 

word, to " sit below the salt." 
Descendants of Fitzjames. 


what hook 

English or fi^reign, can I find an account of the 
descendants, to the present time, of James Fitz- 
james, Duke of Berwick, natural son of James II. ? 

Charles F. S. Warren. 

Thomas Gilbert, Esq. — A volume, styled 
Poems on Several Occasions^ by Thomas Gilbert, 
Esq., late Fellow of Peter House, in Cambridge, 
was published in London, 8vo, in the year 1747. 
The dedication of the work is to J. Hall Steven- 
son, Esq., of Skelton Castle, and dated from 
Skinningrave, Information respecting this gen- 
tleman is requested by Edward Hailstone. 


Horton Hall. 

i .. ■ 




8'd S. V. Feb, 13, •64,] 




A genealogical work, entitled, RechercJies sur 

VOrigine de plusieurs Maisons Souveraines (TEu- 

rope, compiled at St, Petersburg!! by the Baron 

de Koehne, and printed at Berlin by Ferdinand 

Schneider in 1863, states that Wladimir, Grand 

Duke of Kiew, seventh in descent from Rurick, 

and ancestor of the Romanof Emperors of Russia, 

married Gida, daughter of Harold II., King of 


Can any genealogist say whether Harold had a 

daughter named Gida, or whether he left any 

posterity at all? Hippeus. 

Hindoo Gods, — Is there any book with a list 
of most of the Hindu gods and illustrations of 
their images? Havinir a number of idols in bronze 


and stone, T am desirous of naming them ; and the 
account given in The Wanderings of a Pilgrim in 
Search of the Ticturesque is the only book I have 
on the subject. 

Also, I should be obliged if I could be in- 
formed what constitutes the difference between 
the images of Budha and Gauda. 

John Davidson. 

The Iron Mask. — Anions the arms brought 
from Paris to this country, after the defeat of 
Napoleon, and now displayed as a trophy in the 
Rotunda at Woolwich, may be seen the armour 
of the renowned Chevalier de Bayard, and a 
curious helmet, or iron mask, which I have heard 
some persons affirm to be the iron mask which 
figures so conspicuously in the romance of French 
history. Can you,jpr any of your readers decide, 
whether it is that famous headpiece ? H. C. 

Leighton Family. 


ghter of the Hon 

of Northampton, married Mr. Leighton, whose 
son, Wm. Leighton, married Miss Dilly, of the 
family of the publisher Dilly, of the Poultry, Lon- 
don. I wish to ascertain the true spelling of 
Leighton. Has the family ever spelt it Layton ? 


Matthew Locke. — I am anxious to find out 
whether Matthew Lock, the composer of the 

Macbeth^ married Alice Smyth 


children, of whom Alice was probably the youngest. 
I do not know the exact date of her birth, but her 

father's seventh 

- 1 

was married to Matthew Lock, wl 
1, 3, 5, azure ; 2, 4, Cj or ; a fal 
expanded, or. ;' 

Were these the arms of the mu 
be was not the husband of Alice 
any relation ? " '■ • • 

1648. Alice 


« ^ 

P "% 

F. L. 


In a MS 

before me, written to Locke in October, 1677 

is mentioned: " My Lord Mohun hath lately de- 
ceased of his wound, to the great affliction of all 
his friends." This was the fourth Lord Mohun, 
who was an active politician in Charles II/s reign 
in opposition to the court, and had made a cele- 
brated motion in 1675 for the dissolution of the 
Parliament. Can any of your readers help me to 
any particulars about Lord Mohun's death ? 

C. H. 

Napoleon the First. — Is there any published 
work in which I can find the actual number of 
men raised by Napoleon : the details, manner. 
and times of the several levies, whether by en- 
rolment, enlistment, or otherwise ? The histories 
to which I have access simply say- that he took 
the field with so many men ; that he now en- 
larged liis army by such and such a number, &c. 
The information which I seek is such as might be 
valuable to a general recruiting- officer, or a 


The Oath ex-officio. 

St. T. 


any of your 
readers refer me to the form of this oath ? It was 
administered in the Star Chamber, and in the 
Court of High Commission. It compelled the 
person to confess or accuse himself of any criminal 
matter. It was abolished by the 13th Car. IL 

John S. Burn. 

cap. 12. 


Pope's Portrait. — Can any one explain the 
allusion to Pope's portrait in the following pas- 
sage of Tristram Shandy^ vol. viii. chap. ii. ? 

*^ Pope and his portrait are fools to me — no martyr is 
ever so full of faith or fire — I wish I could say of good 
Avorks too." 

Sterne has added a note to the passage, '^ Vide 
Pope's Portrait." J. B. Greening. 

Practice of Physic by William Drage. 

I possess a curious old book with the title : 

*' The Practice of Physick ; or, the Law of God (called 

To which is added 

Nature) in the Body of Man, &c. &c. 

A Treatise of Diseases from Witchcrafc. 

By William 

Drage, Med. and Philos. at Hitchin, in Hartfordshire. 
London: Printed for George Calvert, at the Half-Moon 
in St. Paul's Churchyard, 1666." 

A second title describes the latter work : 

*' Daimonomagein ; a Small Treatise of Sicknesses and 




manner, was the like published." 


This appears to have been printed by J. Dover, 
living in St. Bartholomew's Close, 1665, and is 
separately paged. 

I have before seen a copy of this work, but 
without the " Treatise on Witchcraft ; " but I 
find no mention of the author in Bohn's Lowndes. 
Can you give me information respecting him, and 
whether he is the author of any works on philo- 
sophical subjects ? T. B. ' 





Proverbial Sayings. — Two common sayings 
are, " One half of tlie world knows not how the 
other lives," and " Needs must when the Devil 
drives." They are (the latter slightly varied) in 
Bishop Ilall's IJohj Observations, Nos. xvii. and 

(Works, ed. 1837, 101, 103.) Is this their 
orijiinal source ? Lyttelton. 

Stone Bridge. — In a document bearing date 
1599, an event is recorded as having occurred at 
" Stone Bridge, in the Parish of St. Martin's-in- 
the-Fields." Where was Stone Bridge ? 

F. S. Merry WEATHER. 

Ulick, A Christian Name.— What may have 
been the origin of this name, which at first was 
peculiar to members of the family of De Burgh, 
but was subsequently used by many others in 

Ireland ? 



White Hats. — When did the fashion of wear- 
a white hat commence ? Had the colour in 

question any political significance ? Whence, also, 
its continued unpopularity ? for, twenty years 
since, the wearer of one was hooted at by boys 
in the streets, and termed a " Kadical ; '' and, even 
now, he is frequently questioned by them as to 
his affinity to the '' Man who stole the Donkey." 

White hats are evidently of old date (whatever 
their shape might have been), as can be shown 
by the following extract from one of the letters 
carried by Lord Macguire to his execution (a. d. 
1644): — 

" Most loving Sir. — My master his coach shall wait for 
you iufallibly. — That day your friend William shall go 
by coach all the way, upon a red horse, with a white hat, 
and in a pray jacket, and then," &c. &c. — X^/rfe Rush- 
worth's Collections, vol. v. pt. ill. p. 737. 

Arthur Houlton. 

Life of Edward, Second Marquis of Wor- 

Having been some years collecting ma- 


„y ^^ — .^ 

Worcester, author of the Century of 


have consulted the British Museum Library, 
State Paper Office, Bodleian Library, and the 
Beaufort MSS., &c. 

The work affiDrds an excellent opportunity for 
the introduction of any information, particularly 
arising from stray MS. documents, however ap- 
parently uninteresting. I have reason to believe 
that many of his letters lie scattered, one here, 
another far distant ; also, receipts for the loans of 
money during the Commonwealth, and between 
1660 and 1666. 

Information respecting his " honoured friend," 
Colonel^ Christopher Coppley, would likewise be 
interesting. He was under Fairfax's command 
in the north. 

My work is written in order of date, 



Hilton Crest: "Houmout." — 1. Whv do the 

_ ^ 

Hiltons of Hilton Hall, Durham, bear as their 
crest the singular device of a Moses' head ? 

2. The entire motto of Edward the Black 
Prince is stated to have been, ** De par houmout 
ich dien." To what language does '^ houmout" 
belong, and what is its signification ? Denkmal. 

[The Hilton crest, as given by Surtees {Durham, ii. 
20), is "on a close helmet, Moses's head in profile, in a 
rich diapered mantle, the horns not in the least radiated, 
but exactly resembling two poking •sticks.'^'* This is pro- 
bably one of the earliest exemplars of this singular bear- 
ing, which Dr. Burn {History of Westmoreland^ i, 541), 
calls " the crest of cuckoldom.'* He says, " Horns upon 
the crest (according to that of Silius Italicus, * Casside 

cornigera dependens infula 

') were erected in terrorem. 

And after the husband had been absent for three or four 
years, and came home in his regimental accoutrements, it 
might be no impossible supposition, that the man who 
wore the horns was a cuckold. And this accounts also, i 
whv no author of that time, when this droll notion was 
started, hath ventured to explain the connection. For 
woe be to the man in those days that should have made a 

joke of the holy war; which, indeed, in consideration of 
the expence of blood and treasure attending it, was a 
very serious affair." 

Several attempts have been made to ascertain the origin 
and the meaning of Houmout, one of the mottoes of Edward 
the Black Prince. (See two papers in the Archccologla, vols. 
xxxi. and xxxii. ; the first by Sir Nicholas Harris Nico- 
las, and the second by J. R. Blanche, Esq.) According 
to the former, " the motto is probably formed of the two 
old German words, Hoogh tnoed, hoo viocd, or hoogh-moe, 
i. e. magnanimous, high-spirited, and was probably 
adopted to express the predominant quality of the Prince's 
mind." Mr. Planch^, on the other hand, conceives that 
" Houmout is strictly speaking Flemish ; and, instead of 
considering * Houmout' and 'Ich Dien' as two separate 
mottoes, is inclined to look upon them as forming one 
complete motto." 

Dr. Bell, however, by dividing '^Houmout" into two 
words, is of opinion that "the entire rendering Hou mout 
icu DiEN is almost vernacular, and plain English How 
must I SERVE." Vide his recent work New Readings 
for the Motto of the Prince of Wales, Part I. 8vo, 1861.] 

Tkousers. — When did the word '' trousers " 
come into the language ? It is never used in this 
country except among Englishmen, "pantaloons*' 
being the substitute. - - - 

St. Paul, Minnesota. 

[This word (variously spelt trossers, trousers, and trow- 
zers) frequently occurs in the old dramatic writers. . In 
Act I. Sc, 1, of Ben Jonson's Staple of Newes, Peniboy,' 
junior, "walks in his gowne, waistcoate, and trouses,^^ ex- 
pecting his tailor. A man in The Coxcomb of Beaumont 
and Fletcher, speaking to an Irish servant, says, " I'll 
have thee flead, and trossers made of thy skin to tumble 

J. C. Lindsay. 




Trossers appear to have been tight breeches. 

4 J 




I ^ 

SrA S. V. Feb. 13, '64.] 



•* Trowses (says the explanatory Index to Cox's History 
of Ireland) are breeches and stockings made to sit as close 
to the body as can be.'* See the Commentators on Shak- 
speare, King Henri/ F*„ Act III. Sc. 7.] 

Dr. George Oliver. — What relation is the 
Dr. George Oliver, the author of The Religious 
Houses of Lincolnshire and other works on Free- 
masonry, to the late Dr. George Oliver, the His- 
torian of Devon, and author of several works of 
a kindred nature ? They appear to have been 
written about the same period. As the names 
are similar, can a distinct list of each author's 
writing be procured, as it appears very difficult 
to make it from the Publisher's Catalogue ? 

A Devonian. 

[Future biographers and bibliographers, it is to be 
feared, will be sorel}' puzzled in assigning to each of the 
above authors his own special productions. Their Chris- 
tian and surnames are not only the same; but both were 
contemporaries, and both divines, Doctors in Divinity, as 
well as ecclesiastical antiquaries. For lists of their re- 
spective works consult Bohn's new edition of Lowndes. 
We cannot trace any relationship between the late Dr. 
George Oliver, D.D. of St. Nicholas Priory, Exeter, and 
the present Rector of South Hykeham, Lincolnshire.] 

In a list of printed 
wills, given by Mr. C. II. Cooper (3^^ S. iii. 30), 
is that of Bishop Andrewes. May I ask your cor- 
respondent whore I can find a copy? An outline 
jthe will is published in Gutch's Collectanea 

extract in " The Life 


Bishop Andrewes' Will. 

Curiosa (vol. ii.) 

of Andrews," N 

hrary ; but I do not think the will has ever been 

printed in its integrity. I possess a MS. copy. 


[Bishop Andre wes's Will, with three Codicils, is printed 
in extensoivoxn the original in the Registry of the Pre- 
rogative Court of Canterbury, in his Two Answers to 
Cardinal Perron^ published in the Library of Auglo-Ca- 
tholic Theology, 8vo, 1854.] 

Top or his Bent. — How 

rived ? 

St. T. 

[From Bendy to make cro(jked ; to inflect ; as in Hamlet^ 
Act IV. Sc. 2. : « They fool me to the top of my bent ; " 
to which Mr. Douce has added the following note : " Per- 
haps a term in archery ; i. e. as far as the bow will admit 

Blind Alehouse. 





the meaning of 
I find it in the Life of Nich. Ferrar. 

Wordsworth's Eccles. B 

' " St. T. 

[The phrase " Blind-alehouse " occurs also in Etherege's 
Comical Revenge, 1G99 : « Is the fidler at hand that us'd to 
ply at the blind-alehouse f '' We also read of a blind path. 
The meaning of both phrases is clearly that of unseen ; 
out of public view; not easy to be found ; private. Gosson, 




• ♦ 


(3^^ S. V. 72.) 

Incredulus having appealed to a Gloucester 
correspondent to clear up the mystery of the 
" Curious Discovery at Gloucester'' of " a fine 
picture of Pope," and of " The Temptation," by 
Guido, I gladly embrace the opportunity of placing 
your readers in possession of what information 1 
have been able to glean in reference to it. The 
'' Curious Discovery " surprised no one more 
than Mr. Kemp, the master of our School of Art. 
An Italian master found under his very nose, and 
he not aware of it ! 

The paragraph in The Builder has but a very 
slight substratum of truth. In the first place, the 
^^ discovery," if a discovery at all, is by no means 
a recent one. The picture said to be by Guido 
was never walled up in any recess, but occupied 
a panel in Mr. Kemp's bedroom, and was never 
considered to be of any value, either by Mr. 
Kemp, an artist of experience, who closely in- 
spected it, or by any gentleman connected with 
the Art School. It was, I am assured, coarse in 
execution, and as a work of art almost contempt- 
ible. Mr. Kemp remarked, also, that the head 
of the Tempter appeared to have been painted 
more recently than the other parts of the body. 

The picture said to be of Pope occupied an 
oval panel (evidently constructed for it) over the 
kitchen mantelpiece, and, from what I have heard 
of it, I am inclined to think it merits as little con- 
sideration as 2^he Builder s Italian master. It 
was surmounted by a bust, which certainly bears 
a resemblance to Pope, judging from the most 
authentic portraits of him. The old housekeeper 
at the School (an illiterate woman) believed it 
to be a portrait, not of Pope, but of a Pope (of 
Rome), and on that ground had a great aversion 
to it, and regarded it with a painful degree of 
awe. She used to say that the eyes of the pic- 
ture (though it was much injured by dirt, smoke, 
&c., " followed her all over the kitchen when she 
was at work ;" and she did not attempt to conceal 
her satisfaction on its removal. 

The house In which the alleged discovery was 
made once belonged to the Guises, as is evidenced 

by the arms of that family being carved in several 
of the rooms. The modern owner was Miss Cother, 
from whom Mr, Baylis probably obtained the 
pictures. By the way, if I am not misinformed, 
Mr. Baylis, some years ago practised as a surgeon 
In this city, and was doubtless acquainted with 
Miss Cother. 

There is a tradition that Pope was a frequent 
visitor at this mansion, and one of iti old walnut 
pannelled rooms is yet called *^ Pope's Study." 

I shall be happy to furnish any other informa- 

tion that can be obtained. 

F. G. B. 



[S'd S. V. Feb. 13, '64. 


(3'<» S. iv. 475, 527 ; v. 85.) 

Your correspondents who have remarked upon 
the above well-known oath of Socrates, have not 
noticed the fact that the philosopher is alluding to 
the worship paid to the Egyptian divinity, Am ibis. 
Socrates expressly refers to this deity in the words, 



The use of 

this form of oath has its origin in the religious 
scruples of the mind of the devout Greek. Ac- 
cording to tradition Rhadamanthus first imposed 
upon the Cretans the law " that men should not 
swear by the Gods, but by the dog, the ram, the 
goose, or the plane tree." Your correspondent, 
Mr. J. Eastwooi> (S'^ S. iv. 527), very perti- 
nently refers to Potter's Grecian Antiquities for 
information on the subject. The passage in ques- 
tion is so interesting that I will briefly quote some 
of its parts : 

" Sometimes either out of haste, or assurance of their 
being in tlie right, they swore indefinitely by an^/ of the 
Gods. . . . Others, thinking it unlawful to use the 
name of God upon every slight occasion, said no more 

than Nal ^a rhv^ or"i?y," &c,, by a religious ellipsis 
omitting the name. Suidas also mentions the same cus- 
tom, which, saith he (pvOfii^et irph? eva^^eiav^^ inures 
men to a pious regard for the name of God. Isocrates, in 
Stoba3us, forbids to swear by any of the Gods in any suit 
of law about money, and only allows it on two accounts, 
either to vindicate yourself from the imputation of some 
wickedness, or to deliver your friends from some gi'eat 
danger. • . . Pythagoras, as Hierocles informs us, 
. . . rarely swore by the Gods himself; or allowed his 
scholars to do so ; instead of the Gods, he advised them to 

swear by t?V rerpafcru//, ''the number four,'' ... as 
thinking the perfection of the soul consisted in this number, 
there being in every soul a mind, science, opinion, and sense. 
. . . By which instances it appears that though the 
custom of swearing upon light and frivolous occasions was 
very common among the Greeks . . . yet the more 
wise and considerate sort entertained a most religious re- 

gard for oaths." 


Porphyry's words, to which Bryant (^1 
Mythology, i. p. 345) refers, are as follows : 


akXa Kard rhi/ rod Aihs Kol Maias TraTSa eiroL^ro rhv 
ZpKov.—De Abstinent iii. 285. 

The Egyptian Anubis was identified by the 
Greeks with Hermes, the son of Jupiter and 
Maia. (See on this subject Jablonski, Pantheon 
jEgyptiorum, lib. ii. cap. i.) Hence, if Porphyry is 
correct, it would seem that the pious and reverent 
Socrates, instead of invoking the sacred name of 
Hermes, uses an expression which implies the same 
meaning; or else, as perhaps is more probable, he is 
merely strengthening his assertion m accordance 
with the command of Rhadamanthus, without re- 
ference to any definite God. I may state that 
your correspondent, Le Chevalier Du Cigne 
(3'"*^ S. V. ^5), misrepresents Bryant's opinion with 

regard to the terms " by the dog and the goose.** 
The whole of the argument employed by Bryant 
in the chapter from which your correspondent's 
quotation is taken, is meant to show that the 
Greek words, kvo)u and x//j/, are a corruption of the 
term "Cahen, the Cohen, jilD (priest)^ of the He- 
brews." The Greeks, says Bryant, with his cha- 
racteristic mode of explaining myths, '^ could not 
help imagining from the sound of the word, which 
approached nearly to that of /cuwv and canis, that 
it had some reference to that animal, and in con- 
sequence of this unlucky resemblance they con- 
tinually misconstrued it a dogJ'^ (i. p. 329.) 

W. Houghton. 


(3^^ S. V. 68.) 

W. appears to be unaware that this fatal liabi- 
lity in most kinds of freestone may be arrested 
or averted by means of a solution of silica and of 
calcium; by which Mr. Frederick Ransome forms 
sand into an artificial freestone, surpassing in 

4 J 

show the 


in durability, any kind of building-stone known. 


Freestone, as found in quarries, consists mainly 
of sand consolidated into a mass by cementing 
substances introduced amongst it in the opera- 
tions of nature; and is more or less durable#ac- 
cording to their composition, and to their insolu- 
bility in the water and the acids to which they 
may be exposed under the influences of the at- 
mosphere. Even in different parts of the same 
quarry, the strength of these cementing substances 
seems to differ : so that, in selecting the stone for 
a building, it is impossible to make sure of its 

Boiled linseed-oil has long been a means re- 
sorted to, in this part of the country, to arrest 
the disintegration of building-stone ; and, no 
doubt, it is found to effect its purpose for a few 
years, that is, so long as it remains sufficiently in 



ultimately, the oil itself becomes decomposed and 
washed out by the action of the weather, and the 
parts of the stone that had been saturated with it 
crumble more readily than those that had not 
been anointed with it 

By a judicious application of Mr. Ransome's 
solutions, the originally defective natural cement 
that held together the sandy particles of the stone, 
and the gradual decomposition of which is letting 
it crumble into sand, is effectually replaced — not 
on the surface merely, but for some distance 
within the substance of the stone — by pure sili- 
cate of lime, insoluble in and impervious to mo»*» 
ture : a cement which the lapse of time only 
hardens, and the strength of which, as witnessed 







V V 




Si-^iS. V. Feb. 13, '64.] 



in the concrete remains of our buildings of the 
early ages, is proverbially known. Atmospheric 
influences have no effect upon it. I have experi- 
mentally applied these solutions to the purpose 
I mention ; and, although it is only the lapse of 
many years that can afford the absolute test of 
their efficacy, the instantaneous arrest of the de- 
cay that was rapidly defacing the building, and 
which has not reappeared during weather of the 
most trying kind, convinces me that time will 
prove the remedy to have been most effectually 

Mr. Ransome's discovery is one of the most 
remarkable instances in our time of the practical 
result of scientific induction. Experto Ckede. 


The communication of W. on this subject, and 
his suggestion that stone should be kept some 
time before it is used, reminded me that there is 
great authority for the antiquity of the practice. 

We find, in the Holy Scriptures (1 Chron. xxii*), 
that Kin«j David ''set masons to hew wrought 
stones," and prepared ''timber also and stone" 
for the building of the temple by Solomon afte?^ 

his death. 

M. E. F. 

The remarks of W. are worthy of note, espe- 
cially as to the use of linseed oil. I can speak of 
its virtue from experience of forty years and 
more ; but when it is applied, the stone should 
not be in a green state. 

In the quotation from the recent Camden vo- 
lume, in a letter in which the writer speaks of 
*'Lynsede oyle to bed hit," the editor of that 
volume put a query whether it means bathe. I 
must differ from him, because to bed a stone is a 
phrase in common use among masons for setting a 
stone in its place ; and in setting freestone (indeed 
I believe all stone), it is usual to souse the beds 
with water. And I would suggest, that instead of 
sousing with water, the clerk of the works had 
provided linseed oil to be used in bedding the 
stones instead of using water ; and as the king was 
to pay, the cost was not heeded. By such a pro- 
cess every stone would be thoroughly saturated 
with the oil, which would no doubt be a greater 
preservative of it than merely brushing o"il over 
the surface. H. T. Ellacombe, M.A. 



(S-^S.Iil. 490; iv. 19,&c.) 

"' Will you allow me to answer that part of my 
•own query, under this head, which refers to the 
KouTo^ liovravo:/^ and to apologize for trespassing so 
largely upon Cuessborough's patience, as well as 

upon your space : 



information T 



the Peopl 

1801, 4to, p. 92) 

bus^^ and identifies the idvra^ 
Quintana," therein mentionec 
t Quintain of later times ; 

Strutt, in his 
of England 
speaking of 
Quintain, he 

I's (De Alea- 


that the 

words, x^P^^ '^V^ TTopTTTjs, "sine fibula," provided 
that it should be performed, as I suggested, with 
pointless spears, contrary to the ancient usage, 
which required, or at least permitted, them to 

have heads or points. 


This exercise, as in common use 


the Romans, is 
{Epitome Institi 



1. cap. XI. 


Meursius (D 


I Kovravov. Florence, 1741) 





Fresnoy Du Cange, in his Glossarium ad Scrip- 
tores Medi(E et Infimce Laiinitatis (Paris, 1733-36, 
foL, in voce '• Quintana''). 

I regret that I have not access to the works of 
the two last-mentioned authors, and would feel 
very grateful to any of your correspondents, who 
are more fortunate in this respect than I am, for 
an account of the Quintain as given by them. 
I would also ask, if the words xw^\s ttjs irSpTrv^i 
sine fibula," do not refer more to the point 

rrro^a,) of the wcapon, than 

(cuspis^ acies^ aiXM-i <^^<- 

to the head ? If, that 

IS. it were not a 


having a blunt or pointless head 

the morne" — so that it could do no hurt? 

" bedded with 


definition of the word ''fibula," as 

(De B. G 


durum, oblongum quod 


in foramen 
at" (C(Bsar. 

Commen.^ 1661, Amstelodami, ex officina Elze- 

Strutt also tells us, 



Pollux (Onomasticon^ lib. ix. cap. 7), that the 

Greeks had a pastime 



which was one person riding upon the shoulders 
of another, as upon a horse ; and gives two very 
curious illustrations of a sport of this kind, as 
practised in England, at the commencement of 


(2, B. vii.) 






of Justinian's code? If so, it was a 

modification of the Ludus Trojse ; for the per- 
formance of which, 

jjle solidus must 

been an ample reward. As before, I reserve my 
" etymological sagacity " ! Udyte. 

Capetown, S. A. 




[.3'<i S. V. Fjjb. 13. '64. 


(2°« S. iv. 22, 124 ; ix. 19 ; 3''' S. v. 73.) 

The following memoranda, as showing some- 
thing of the origin of the Burtons of Weston- 
under-Wood, the ultimate ownership of their 
landed estates, the precise way in which those 
estates passed, and other facts destructive of state- 
ments hitherto adopted, may be considered rele- 
vant by your correspondent E. H. A. 

Francis Burton of Weston-under-Wood, parish 
of Mugginton, co. Derby, yeoman, was living 13 
Jac. L, being then 56 years of age (Add. MS. 
6692, p. 261, British Museum.) William Burton 
was buried at St. Alkmund's, Derby, April 7, 1680. 

(Parish Register.) 

Francis Burton of Weston-under-Wood, gent., 

was father of one son and two daughters, viz. : 

I. Francis Burton of Weston-under-Wood,Esq., 
whose descendants, by his first wife, appear to have 
been— Francis Burton of Ednaston, gent., died 
Oct. 9, 1742, aged 70; Richard, his son, died June 
3, 1745, aged thirty- six; Mary and Francis (in- 
fants) died 1740; John Burton, died Dec. 29, 
1708, aged thirty-five, all buried at Brailsford. 




win at St. Alkmund's, March 18, 1682. He was 
High Sheriff of Derbyshire in 1706, and died July 
6, 1709, leaving, by Mary his wife, one son : 

I. Samuel Burton of Derby, Esq., High Sheriff 
of the county in 1719, buried at St. Alkmund's. 
His monumental inscription (according to Glover) 
reading, in brief, thus : 

" Underneath this place lies interred the body of Samuel 
Burton, Esq., who died October 24th, 1751, aged G7. His 
decease having rendered extinct, in the male line, a 
family which had been very anciently seated in this 
county, Joseph Sikes, Esq., of Newark, Notts, as only 
surviving issue of Mr. Burton's first cousin in the female 
line, became heir-general of the family and estates." 

II. Margaret Burton married William Cham- 
bers of Derby, gent. She died Nov. 26, 1685, 
and was buried at All Saints, Derby. Their only 
child (to survive) Hannah Chambers, married 
Joseph Sikes of Derby, gent., at St. Alkmund's, 
April 1722. She was buried at St. Michael's, 
Derby, May 3, 1751 ; and he at the same place, 
May 23, 1752, having made his will April 11 pre- 
ceding. They had ' ^ ' "" ' ' ^ 

1. Samuel Sikes, baptised 
at AlkmundV June 18, 1723 ; said to have mar- 
ried Sarah Webber ; predeceased his father, s. p. 
2. Joseph Sikes, of the Chauntry, Newark, heir- 
general of the Burtons, baptised at St. Alkmund's 
Nov. 14, 1724; married Jane Heron, who died 
s. p. ; and 2. Mary Hurton, by whom he left at 
his decease, March 10, 1798, Joseph Sikes, LL.B. 
(of whom presently) ; Hannah-Maria Sikes, mar- 



George Kirk, Esq. ; 

Sophia-Josepha Sikes, 
married Rev. Hu^h-Wade Grey, M.A. 3. Ben- 
jamin Sikes, baptised at St. Michaefs Aug. 15, 
1726, predeceased his father, s. p. 

III. Mary Burton, married Ebenezer Crees of 
Derby, gent., who died March 5, 1691, and was 
buried at All Saints'. Joseph Sikes, LL.B. of 'the 
Chauntry, Newark, thus inherited the estates of 
the Burtons, situated in the parishes of St. Alk- 
mund, Derby, Brailsford, and other dispersed 
parts of the county, the value of which estates is 
considerable. This gentleman had a fancy for 
addino^ initials to his name other than those to 


which he was really entitled. Thus, in one edi- 
tion of Burke's Commone?^^^ the letters '^F.R.S.*' 
are so attached. 

Your correspondent has asked, " Who was Sir 
Francis Cavendish Burton? " The answer is an 

imaginary person, who existed only in the brain 
of Mr. Sikes, who, instead of ascertaining the real 
parentage of his grandfather (if he did not know 
it), made a "short cut," and attached his name at 
once to the pedigree of Sykes of Leeds, by con- 




of Martha Burton with 

Richard Sikes, thus imposing upon Dickinson in 
his Antiquities of Notts, Burke in his Commoners^ 
and Hunter in his FamilicE Minoriim Gentium. 
The latter is in the British Museum, Add. MS. 
24,458, the learned compiler of which, when he 
found out the hoax, wrote against this particular 
statement — But this is all a mistake. 

As a specimen of what Mr. Sikes could do In 
the way of '' mistakes," allow me to append the 
following from the Clerical Journal Directory of 
1855, the italics being mine : 

" Sikes, Joseph, F.S.A,, Author of Strictures and Com- 
mentary on the much-appreciated Life of the remarkable 
Dr. Anthony Ashley Sikes, as applied to the insidious 
* Characteristics ' of his once celebrated namesake kni\\ony 
Ashley, second Earl of Shaftesbury." 

That the "Strictures and Commentary" would 
have been a literary curiosity liad they existed, 
the readers of '' N. & Q.," will be prepared to 

Joseph Sikes, LL.B., died April 21,^ 1857, leav- 
ing his property to Mr. Francis Baines (whose 
daughter Mr. Sikes had previously adopted), and 
who is the present owner of the estates of the 
Burtons, whose heraldic honours he has not appro- 
priated, though he has assumed the name and 
arms of Sikes. 

The arms of Cavendish (!) were quartered by 
the late Mr. Sikes, the imaginary marriage re- 
ferred to in this letter being the sole founda- 
tion for such an absurdity. Rightly or not, the 
Burtons of Weston- under- Wood used the arms 
of those of their name at Dronfield ; and these 


something like reason ; 

but their consanguinity (if any) 

very remote. It is a curious coincidence that a 




ftrd S. V. Feb. 13, 'G4.] 



family named Sykes was contemporaneous with 
that of Burton, at Di'onfield — members of it 
serving as churchwardens, &c., in the sixteenth 
and seventeenth centuries. It also terminated in 
a heir-general in 1799, the estates now vesting in 
Mr. Kobert Sykes Ward. Query^: Could there 
possibly be a common ancestry between Sykes of 
Dronfield and Sikes of Derby and Newark? In 
the endeavour to solve this question, the informa- 
tion concerniiii]^ the Burtons of Weston-under- 

James Sykes. 

Wood was acquired. 



(3^^ S. 



swered. The excise duty on painters' canvass was 
levied in July, 1803, under the Printed Linens Act, 
43 Geo. III. capp. 68—69. It was one of Pitt's 
schemes for the maintenance of the war against 
France. The duty, paid by the colourmen or 
vendors of the strained canvasses for artists, was 
threepence-halfpenny the square yard, and the 
excise officer used to visit their workshops three 
times in each week, measure the strained can- 
vasses for the amount of duty to which they were 
liable, and stamp them on the back. The order 
from the excise Office, for the non-gathering of 
the duty, was issued on March 17, 1831 ; stating 
the duty had ceased on the first of that month. 
It is idle, therefore, to suppose that any asserted 
picture by Gainsborough, or Reynolds, 
the excise brand on the back, could be painted 
by artists who were 

former in 1788, and the latter in 1792. Several of 
the supposititious paintings by Sir Joshua, painted 
during the infliction of the war tax, were doubt- 
less painted by Christopher Pack; of whom some 

notice will be found in the 1857 volume of Wil- 
lis's Current 

J. H. Burn. 


deceased long before : 


Current Notes^ 
torial management. 

London Institution. 

Situation of Z 





I am 

very grateful to A. E. L. for the good-natured 
way in which he has noticed my misdeeds. The 
article under the head of *' Zoar '' {Dictionary of 
the Bihle^ yoh liu p. 1856, &c.) contains my own 
conclusions as to the position of the place — if 
conclusions they can be called on evidence so im- 
perfect. When I wrote the article on " Moab," I 
had not looked into the question for myself; but 
accepted without hesitation the positive state- 
ments of Robinson and others. I discovered the 
error some time since, and it will be corrected in 
the second edition. G. Geove. 

The Old Bridge at Newington (2"*^ S. xii. 
323.) — Allow me again to call attention to the 
stone inscription, once more threatened with ex- 
tinction. After I noted on it in " N. & Q.'' the 
stone was replaced nearly upon the same site, and 

screened by wooden palings ; but now new build- 
ings are being erected on the grounds once occu- 
pied by the Fishmongers' Almshouses, and I sadly 
fear the relic of civic jurisdiction will be totally 
martyred unless some one in authority flies to 
the rescue. To those who saved it in its former 
peril I address this; and I hope they will assist in its 
being restored upon as near its former site as pos- 
sible. Our landmarks are being torn down, but 
this one should remain to tell of olden times in 

South London. 

T. C. N. 

Maiden Castle (}i'^ S. v. 101.) — The de- 
rivation of Maiden from the Celtic Mad^ cannot 
be satisfactorily established, since the word in its 
primitive form existed in the Teutonic tongues 
long before the Saxon had come into contact with 
the Cymry. It is found in the A. S. mcegd^ maid, 
daughter^ maga^ son, male relative; Goth., magiis^ 
the equivalent of TraTs, reKvov ; magaths^ -napQ^vos ; 
Old High Ger., magad; Mod. Ger., magd ; Old 
Frisian, maged^ &c. These may all be traced to 

Sanskrit, ^T"^ , madhya^ unmarried woman, vir- 
gin ; but the connection is more apparent than 
real. Madhya is doubtless derived from Tf^ , 

madhu^ sweetness, honey; Gr., jueSu; Lat., mel; 
A. S., medu; Eng., mead^ &c. Mcegd^ maga^ and 

their congeners, may be traced to Sanskrit, 

mali^ the primary idea of which is " power," but 
which is also applied in the sense of gignere^ par- 
ticularly in the Teutonic derivatives. (See Bopp, 
Sa?is. Gloss,^ 253; Grimm, Deutsch. Gram.^ ii. 27; 
iii, 320.) Originally, then. Maiden^ with its male 
equivalent (now lost), signified blood relations. 
Grimm derives the Scottish Mac (filius) from the 

same source. 

A maiden fortress is generally understood to 
mean one which has never been captured; a 
maiden mountain ( Jungfrau) one which has never 
been ascended. Is it necessary to go further for 
an explanation in the present instance ? 

J. A. PiCTOK. 



TE-HousE Plot Cards (3'^ S. v. 9.)— Alder- 
INI asters lent me a pack of these cards to 
exhibit at the soiree given by Dean Alford at Can- 
terbury, on the occasion of the Kent Archaeologi- 
cal Association holding their annual meeting in 
the metropolitical city. 









answer to your correspondent J., T beg to state 



C. F. S. TV 



[S'^d s. V. Feb. 13, »64. 

Morris (3^^ S. v. 12.) — In the Intro- 
3 the Welsh Poems of Garonwv Owain 


Ixxxv, Ixxxvi., there is 

(Llanrwst, iSbu;, pp 

given some little account of Lewis Mdrys amongst 
others who were at all connected with that highly 

writer. As this 



count of Lewis Morys was drawn up by Dafydd 
Ddu Eryri, it must have been written a good while 
ago, probably fifty years. I think that it first ap- 
peared in some earlier edition of Garonwy Owain. 
From it we learn that Lewis Morys was born 
March 12, 1700, in the parish of Llanfihangel 
Tre*r Beirdd, in Anglesey, as shown by the re- 



siart Morys and Margaret his wife, who was the 
daughter of Morys Owen, of Bodafen y Glyn, in 
the same parish. Lewis Morys, in his early days, 
followed his father's employment of "cowperiaeth." 
He afterwards became a land-surveyoi% and sub- 
sequently obtained a situation in the custom-house 
at Holyhead; he afterwards was collector at 
Aberdyfi, in Merioneth. 

with various Welsh literarv undertakings, and he 
bad a reputation amongst his countrymen as an 
antiquary and scholar. He died April 11, 1765. 
Dafydd Ddu Eryri does not mention Lewis 

He was lonjj 


S 3 

troubles, especially his imprisonment on 

account of supposed deficiencies in his accounts. 
He also passes by his quarrels with other literary 
men. Some curious statements on these subjects I 
have seen in Welsh Magazines. As he died ninety- 
nine years ago, a son of his can hardly have been 
recently living at Gwaelod, as Mr. John Pavin 



Memoir of Morr 



a drawing by Morri 

Thomas Purnell. 

Twelfth Night : the worst Pun (3^^ S. v. 38.) 
The detur pejori, not for the worst '* pun,'* but for 
the worst conundrum, as our grand master itali- 
cises the distinction between the two perpetrations, 
is mine: I protest myself the Senior Pessime. 
In 1815, when the Byronic muse was mystifyin^r 
and tristifying the world, I indited a ballad, which 
my old friend, John Taylor, of The Sun, got slight 
of, and inserted therein. Half a stanza will show 
the bitaurine bellow no less luscinian at Istamboul 
than Snug the Joiner's leonine roar had been in 
Athens : — 

" When my lord he came wooing to Miss Anne Thrope, 
He was then a * Childe ' from school ; 
He paid his addresses in a trope, 
And called her his sweet bul-bul : 

if bulls 







Being too conscientious to descend from my '* bad 
eminence," I declared to him its paternity, which 
he promised to record in a forthcoming edition. 
Whether this ever forthcame I know not ; but if 
the saddle be put on the right horse by "N. & Q.** 
I shall rest contented with the tulit alter honores. 
The conundrum has long been unjustly discredited. 
Johnson etymologised it '* a cant word," and de- 
fined it " a low jest, a quibble, a mean conceit," 
like the dislocated Hs and supernumerary Rs 
which have possessed themselves of our theatres. 
Better justice has, however, been done to this ill- 
used term (2"*^ S. vii. 30), distinguishing it as a 
play of sentiment, whereas a pun is but a word- 
play ; and, referring it to the classical etymon, 
Koivhp Zvoiu, commune duorum. 

Edmund Lenthal Swifte. 

Sir Edward May {^'^ S. v. 35, (^5, 84) — See 
Burke's Extinct Peerage, p. 611, '' May of May- 
field," commencing with Edward May, Esq., the 
first settler in Ireland, from whom Sir Edward 
May appears to have been in the fifth descent. 
Numerous references to pedigrees, in the Harl. 
MSS., of the Mays of Kent, may be found in Sims's 
Index to those and other MSS. in the British 
Museum. R. "VV". 

Quotation (P*^ S. xii. 204) 

'' Death hath a thousand ways to let out life." 

The only reply which seems to have been 
offered respecting this quotation is in 2"^ S. vii. 
177, and that is unsatisfactory. These words, 
slightly varied, are placed in the mouth of Zeno- 
cia, in Beaumont and Fletcher's play. The Custom 
of the Country, Act II. Sc. 1 : 

'' Death hath so many doors to let out life, 

I will not long survive them. 


Blair, in The Grave, v. 394, has these words 
(in connection with suicide) : 

" Death's thousand doors stand open — who could force 
The ill-pleas'd guest to sit out his full time, 
Or blame him if he goes ? " 

Cf. Vire-il's expression. JEn 


patet isti janua letho." 


Toad-eater (•2«d S. ii. 424) is, literally, oui 
Dutch dood-eter {dead-eater), fern, dood-eetster^ i 
person, who, to borrow another Dutch expression 
" eats one's clothes off one's body," or " ' ' 


ears off one's head." In English, the adjective 
dead in composite words, also assumes the sense 
of " hopelessness " or « worthlessness," as, Tor 
instance, "a dead bargain" (for the salesman), 
a " dead-wind," a « dead-lift," &c. ' _ 


Zeyst, near Utrecht. 



(S'-d S. iv. 423, 443.)— The answers 

S. Charnock and W. I. S 








3'd S. V. Feb. 13, '64] 



subject very much interested me, and I have been 
trying to find out something more of its physical 
properties than was contamed in the replies of 
those gentlemen, but without success. One finds 
in French dictionaries the word crapaudine trans- 
lated '' toadstone," but what is exactly meant by 
the word I cannot say : for the toadstone is an 
iffneous rock (almost a porphyry), found in 
Derbyshire, near Matlock, and derives its name 
from the German todstein (death-stone), because 
where it occurs the lead lode dies or ceases ; 
therefore, it is plain that, in the sense in which it 
is now used, it has no connection with ci^apaud. 

Mentioning the subject to a friend, I find the 
word has a gre