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SESSIONAL PAPERS

Univexstte d'Ottawa
VOLUME lO nOCBMBHTS OFF^L-

GOVERNMENT PUBLICATION^
University oi OtWtVa

THIRD SESSION OF THE SEVENTH PARLIAMENT

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DOMINION OF CAJST^DA

SESSION 1893

VOLUME XXVI.

56 Victoria. Alphabetical Index to Sessional Papers. A. 1893

t& See also Numerical List, page 3.

ALPHABETICAL INDEX

SESSIONAL PAPERS

OF THE

PARLIAMENT OF CANADA

THIRD SESSION, SEVENTH PARLIAMENT, 1893

Note. — In order to find quickly whether a paper has been printed or not, the mark (n.p.) has been
inserted when not printed ; papers not so marked, it may be understood, are printed. Further information
concerning each paper is to be found in the List, commencing on page 3,

Adulteration of Food 66

Agriculture, Annual Report 7

Archives, Canadian 7ft

Auditor- General, Annual Report 1

Banks, Chartered 3

Banks, Unclaimed Balances in 3ft

Baptisms, Marriages and Burials (n.p.) 75

Beet-root Sugar (n.p.) 34

Bonds and Securities (n.p. ) 36

Bonne Esperance, Fishery Officer for (n,p.) 20/t

Boundaries of Quebec 43

Bounties, Fishing (n.p.) 20, 20a, 206, 201

Bridge Across the Richelieu River. . . . (n.p.) 44

British Canadian Loan and Investment Co. (n.p.) 55

British Columbia Fishery Commission 10c

British Columbia Quarantine Station . . . (n.p.) 68

Canadian Cattle, Scheduling of 50

Canadian Fishermen, Treatment endured by

(n.p.)

20;

Canadian Pacific Railway 30

Canadian Pacific Railway, Lands sold by 30a

Canal Statistics 9a

Caron, Sir A. P., Charges against 27

Census of Canada, 1890-91 Vol. A.

Census of Canada, 1890-91 (n.p.) 46, 46a

Central Ontario Railway Co (n.p. ) 62

Chartered Banks 3

Cheese (n.p. ) 70

Cholera, Prevention of (n.p.) 65

Civil Service Board of Examiners . . , . 166

Civil Service Examination (n.p. ) 39

Civil Service List 16a

Civil Service, Superannuations 28

Commander's Certificate, Fishery Protection

(n.p.) 20 i

Commercial Relations, Canada 2e

Commissions to Public Officers 31

Conference at Washington 52

Conference, Canada and Newfoundland 20^

Cosgrove, John J (n.p.) 216

Criminal Statistics Jc

Culverts on Railways (n.p.) 61

Customs Department (n.p.) 41

Custom-house, Montreal , (n.p. ) 77

Dividends, Unpaid in Banks . 3a

Dominion Lands 29

Ellis, Wm (n.p.) 76

English Financial Agents . (n.p.) 53

Esquimalt, Defences of 32

Estimates , 2

Exchequer Court, Rules 25

Excise, etc. 6

Expenses, Unforeseen (n.p. ) 23

Experimental Farms, Annual Report 7%

Experimental Farms, Reports (n.p.) 40

Exports and Imports (n. p. ) 64

Financial Agents of Canada (n.p.) 53

Fisheries Statements and Inspectors' Reports. . 10a

Fishery Commission, British Columbia 10c

Fishery Officer for Bonne Esperance (n.p.) 20h

Fishery Overseers (n.p.) 20k

Fishery Protection, Commander's Certificate
■)

(n.p.

20 i

Fishing Bounties (n.p.) 20, 20a, 206, 201

Fishing Licenses (n.p. ) 54

Food, Adulteration of 06

French Treaty 51, 51a, 516, 51c

56 Victoria.

Alphabetical Index to Sessional Papers.

A. 1893

Geological Survey Report 13a

Governor-General 49, 69

Governor-General's Warrants 22

Hackett, Edward (n.p.) 48

Harkaway, Post Office (n.p. ) 59a

Herchmer, Lawrence, Charges against. . .(n.p.) 47

Horses, Trade in . . .' . • 2a*

Imports and Exports (n.p. ) 64

Indian Affairs, Annual Report 14

Inland Revenue, Annual Report 6

Insurance, Annual Report 4

Insurance Companies 4a, 46

Intercolonial Railway :

Time-table of Passenger Trains (n.p.) 26

Working Expenses 26a

Revenue. 266

Atkinson, C. A (n.p.) 26c

Running Privileges (n.p. ) 26^

Interior, Annual Report 13

Justice, Annual Report.

Kingston Penitentiary .

(n.p.) 38

• (n.p.)

21a

Labrie, Chas. I

Lands, Dominion ....

Lesage, Edouard (n.p.)

Library of Parliament, Annual Report

Licenses to U. S. Fishing Vessels (n.p.)

Lobster Industry 10d

Lurcher Shoal (n.p.) 72

Manitoba School Acts 33, 33a, 336, 33c, 33d

Marine and Fisheries, Annual Report 10

Militia and Defence, Annual Report 19

Militia, Establishment Lists 19a

Mines and Minerals 63

Miscellaneous Unforeseen Expenses (n.p.) 23

Montreal Custom-house (n. p. ) 77

Mounted Police, Annual Report 15

Murphy, O. E (n.p.) 66

McDougall, Lauchlin (n.p. ) 73

McGreevy, R. H (n.p.) 66

Mclnty re, Postmaster (n.p.) 21

McNamee & Co (n.p.) 71

Newfoundland and Canada, Conference. . . . 20d

Newfoundland and Canadian Trade 20/

Newfoundland Bait Act 20c

Newfoundland Fishermen (n.p.) 20/

North-west Mounted Police 15

Notre Dame du Rosaire Post Office (n.p.) 59

Oyster Fisheries of Canada 106

P. E. I. Tunnel (n.p.) 58

Pig Iron 37, 37a, 376

Postmaster-General, Annual Report 12

Prosser, Wm (n.p.) 20c

Public Accounts, Annual Report 2

Public Officers' Commissions 31

Public Printing and Stationery 1M

Public Works, Annual Report 8

" Quadra, " Steamer ... .(n.p.) 74

Quarantine Station, British Columbia (n.p.) 68

Quebec, Boundaries of 43

Quelle Oriental Railway (n.p.) 45

Railway Culverts (n.p. ) 61

Railways and Canals, Annual Report 9

Railway Statistics.'. 96

Receipts and Payments. ..(n.p.) 24, 24a, 246, 24c, 24d

Richelieu River, Bridge across the (n.p.) 44

Rouleau, F. F (n.p.) 20g

Royal Commission, Liquor Traffic (n.p.) 67

Royal Commission, Sir A. P. Caron ... 27

Rules, I]xchequer Court 25

Scheduling of Canadian Cattle 50

Secretary of State, Annual Report 16

Small-pox in British Columbia (n.p. ) 56

Soulanges Canal (n.p.) 42

Steam-boat Inspection H

St. Sebastien Post Office (n.p.) 596

Superannuations, Civil Service., 28

Supplementary Estimates 2

Telegraphic System of the Empire 35

Trade and Navigation, Annual Report 5

Trade and Trade Openings 2 c

Trades Unions (n. p. ) 57

Treaty with France 51, 51a, 516, 51c

Trudeau, T (n.p.) 28a

Tunnel between P.E.I, and Mainland . . .(n.p.) 58

Unforeseen Expenses, Miscellaneous (n.p.) 23

Warrants, Governor-General's 22

Washington Conference 52

Weights, Measures and Gas 6a

Welland Canal (n.p.) 76

Wetmore, Justice, Report of (n.p.) 47

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1893

See also Alphabetical Index, page 1.

LIST OF SESSIONAL PAPERS

Arranged in Numerical Order, with their Titles at full length ; the Dates when
Ordered and when Presented, to both Houses of Parliament ; the Name of
the Member who m,oved for each Sessional Paper, and ivhelher it is ordered
to be Printed or Not Printed.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME A.

Census of Canada, 1890-91. First Volume Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME i.

1. Report of the Auditor General on Appropriation Accounts for the year ended 30th June, 1892. Pre-
sented 27th January, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 2.

3. Public Accounts' of Canada for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892. Presented 27th January, 1893,
by Hon. G. E. Foster. 2a. Estimates for the year ending 30th June, 1894 ; presented 30th
January, 1893. 2b. Supplementary Estimates for the financial year ending 30th June, 1893 ;
presented 17th February, 1893. 2-1&* Further Supplementary Estimates for the year ending
30th June, 1893 ; presented 16th March, 1893. 2c. Supplementary Estimates for the year ending
30th June, 1894 ; presented 27th March, 1893 Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

2d. Trade with Great Britain— Horses Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

He. Commercial Relations, Canada, No. 1. Reports upon Trade and Trade Openings in Great Britain and
other countries, to 31st December, 1892 Printed for both distribution and sessioncd papers.

3. List of Shareholders in the Chartered Banks of Canada, as on the 31st December, 1892. Presented

24th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 3.

3a. Report of dividends remaining unpaid and amounts, or balances, in respect to which no transactions have
taken place, or upon which no interest has been paid for five years or upwards prior to 31st Dec-
ember, 1892, in chartered banks of Canada Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

4. Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for the year ending 31st December, 1892.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

4a. Preliminary abstract of the business of the Canadian Life Insurance Companies for the year ending
31st December, 1892. Presented 20th February, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.
46. Abstract of statements of Insurance Companies in Canada for the year ending 31st December, 1892.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

li .3

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1893

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 4.

5. Tables of the Trade and Navigation of Canada for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892. Presented

27th January, 1893, by Mr. Wood (Brockville.). Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

6. Inland Revenues of Canada. Part I., Excise, &c, for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892. Presented

26th January, 1893, by Mr. Wood, (Brockville). .Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

6«. Inland Revenues of Canada. Part II., Inspection of Weights, Measures and Gas, for the fiscal year

ended 30th June, 1892 Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

66. Inland Revenues of Canada. Part III., Adulteration of Food, for the fiscal year ended 30th June,
1892. Presented 27th January, 1893, by Mr. Wood (Brockville).

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 5.

7. Report of the Minister of Agriculture for Canada, for the calendar year 1892. Presented 23rd Feb-

ruary, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

7a. Report on Canadian Archives, 1892 Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

7b. Report of the Director and Officers of the Experimental Farms, for the year 1892. Presented 20th

March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

7c. Criminal Statistics for the year 1892 Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 6.

8. Annual Report of the Minister of Public Works, for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892. Presented

20th February, 1893, by Hon. J. A. Ouimet. . .Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

9. Annual Report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, for the past fiscal year, from the 1st July, 1891,

to the 30th June, 1892. Presented 10th February, 1893, by Hon. J. G. Haggart.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

9a. Canal Statistics for Season of Navigation, 1892. Presented 10th February, 1893, by Hon. J. G. Haggart.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

96. Railway Statistics, and Capital, Traffic and Working Expenditure of the Railways of Canada, for
1892. Presented 29th March, 1893, by Hon. J. G. Haggart.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 7.

10. Annual Report of the Department of Marine and Fisheries for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892.

Presented 27th January, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

10a. Fisheries Statements and Inspectors' Reports for the year 1892.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

106. Report on the Oyster Fisheries of Canada, 1892. Presented 30th January, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.
lOc. Report of British Columbia Fishery Commission, 1892.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.
lOvi. Report on the Lobster Industry of Canada, 1892. ..Printed for both distribution and sessioncd papers.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 8.

11. Report of the Chairman of the Board of Steam-boat Inspection, etc., for calendar year ended 31st

December, 1892 Printed for both distribution and sessioncd papers.

VZ. Report of the Postmaster-General of Canada for the fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892. Presented

3rd February, 1893, by Sir A. P. Caron Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

1H. Annual Report of the Department of the Interior, for the year 1892. Presented 22nd March, 1893,

by Hon. T. M. Daly Printed for both distribution and sessioncd papers.

Ilia. Summary Report of the Geological Survey Department for the year ended 1892.

Printed for both distribution and sessioncd papers.

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1898

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 9.

14. Annual Report of the Department of Indian Affairs for the year ended 31st December, 1892. Pre*

sented 7th March, 1893, by Hon. T. M. Daly. . . .Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

15. Report of the Commissioner of the North-west Mounted Police Force, 1892. Presented 3rd March,

1893, by Hon. W. B. Ives Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

10. Report of the Secretary of State of Canada for the year ended 31st December, 1892. Presented 6th
March, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

16a. Civil Service List of Canada, 1892. Presented 9th February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

. Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

106. Report of the Board of Civil Service Examiners, for the year ended 31st December, 1892. Pre-
sented 29th March, 1893, by Hon. J. C. Patterson.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

Kid. Annual Report of the Department of Public Printing and Stationery of Canada, for the year ended
30th June, 1892, with a partial report for services during six months ending 31st December, 1892.
Presented 28th February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

17. Report of the Joint Librarians of Parliament, on the state of the Library of Parliament. Presented
26th January, 1893, by Hon. Mr. Speaker Printed for sessioncd papers only.

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 10.

1H. Report of the Minister of Justice as to Penitentiaries in Canada, for the year ended 30th J-une, 1892.
Presented 27th January, 1893, by Sir John Thompson.

Printed for both distribution and sessioned papers^

10. Annual Report of the Department of Militia and Defence of Canada, for the half-year ended 30th
June, 1892. Presented 31st January, 1893, by Hon. J. C. Patterson.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

10a. Establishment Lists of the Active Militia for the financial year 1893-94. Presented 25th March, 1893.
by Hon. J. C. Patterson -.Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

20. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 23rd March, 1892, for a return showing the
number and names of men and vessel-owners applying for bounties for the years 1889, 1890 and
1891, and not receiving the same, giving the reasons why such applications were not granted ; also
whether any were refused and afterwards granted, the names, amounts and reasons given why
such were afterwards granted ; also all papers and correspondence since 1888 in reference to the
bounty system and in regard to applications granted and ungranted. Presented 27th January,
1893. — Mr. Bowers Not printed.

20a. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 27th May, 1891, for a return giving a compara-
tive statement for the years 1882 to 1891, inclusive, (by province) of : (a) Total number of bounty
claims received by department, (b) Total number paid, (c) Number of vessels, tonnage, and
number of men entitled to bounty in each year, (d) Number of boats among which bounty was
distributed, and number of men engaged in boat-fishing receiving bounty, (t) Total number of
men receiving bounty. '(/) Total annual payments of fishing bounty. Presented 30th January,
1893.— Mr. Flint Not printed.

20b. Statement in reference to fishing bounty payments for 1891-92, required by chapter 96 of the Revised
Statutes of Canada. Presented 6th February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan ... Not printed.

20c. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 30th May, 1892, for a copy of all correspondence,
papers and reports relating to the investigation into the conduct of William Prosser, fishery over-
. seer for the district fronting the county of Essex, on lake Erie, and his dismissal from office. Pre-
sented 8th February, 1893.— Mr. Allan Not printed.

20d. Copy of the proceedings of the conference recently held at Halifax between delegates from the gov-
ernments of Canada and Newfoundland upon the fishery question and other questions between the
two governments. Presented 8th February, 1893, by Sir John Thompson.

Printed for sessional papers only.

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1893

VOLUME 10— Continued.

"ZOe. Further papers respecting the enforcement by the Newfoundland authorities against Canadian vessels
of the Newfoundland act respecting the sale of bait to foreign fishing vessels. Presented 9th
February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan, . . Printed for sessional papers only.

20f. Further papers respecting the several questions at issue between the dominion of Canada and the
colony of Newfoundland. Presented 13th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster.

Printed for sessional papers only.

20g. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 27th
July, 1891, for copies of all documents, petitions and letters in relation to the fishing rights of
F. F. Rouleau, Esq., advocate, of Rimouski, which said rights he and his predecessors have always
exercised on his property at Rimouski. Presented 13th March, 1893. — Mr.Choquette.

Not printed.

20h, Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 1st March, 1893, for copies of all correspondence
between the government and the Quebec board of trade, respecting the appointment of a fishery
officer in the place of Mr. W. H. Whitely, for the Bonne Esperance division, from Checatica to
Blancs Sablons. Presented 29th March, 1893.— Mr. Joncas Not printed-

itOi. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 13th Maach, 1893, for a return showing a copy
of a certificate of qualification held by each of the commanders of the fishery protection service
last season, as follows: Commander O. G. V. Spain, "Acadia;" W. H. Kent, "Agnes Mac-
donald;" E. Dun, "Bayfield;" Geo. M.May, "Constance;" J. H. Pratt, " Dream ; " Wm.
Wakeham, "La Canadienne ; " A. Finlayson, "Stanley;" C. T. Knowlton, "Vigilant." Pre-
sented 29th March, 1893.— Mr. McMullen . . . Not printed.

3©/. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 20th
March, 1893, for copies of all documents, reports and correspondence between the government and
the Quebec Board of Trade, or any other person, in relation to the treatment endured by Canadian
fishermen from Newfoundland fishermen along the Canadian Labrador coast. Presented 30th
March, 1893.— Mr. Joncas Not printed.

20k. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th March, 1893, for : 1. Copies of instructions
issued to the fishery overseers of Berthier, Maskinonge, St. Maurice, Champlain, Nicolet,
Yamaska and Richelieu, since 1st January, 1892, and of all correspondence on the subject between
the Government and the said fishery overseers ; or between the government and any other persons*
from 1st January, 1892, up to this date, in relation to such instructions and the enforcement there-
of. 2. A statement of fishing licenses issued in the counties aforesaid during the years 1891 and 1892,
separately. 3. A statement of the quantity and value of the various kinds of fish taken in the
said counties — separately — during the years 1891 and 1892. Presented 30th March, 1893. — Mr.
Bruneav. Not printed.

HOI. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for a return of all persons
receiving fishery bounties in the counties of Victoria and Guysboro', N.S., for the year 1892, with
amount paid each. Presented 30th March, 1893. — Mr. Fraser Not printed.

itl. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 2nd May, 1892, for a return giving all papers,
letters, petitions, applications, and every other document relating to the dismissal of the post-
master of Mclntyre, and the appointment of his successor.- Presented 27th January, 1893.— Mr.
Landerkin Not printed.

21". Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for copies of all letters,
correspondence, petitions and other documents received and exchanged by the government, re-
specting the dismissal of Edouard Lesage, postmaster of St. Leon, in the cqunty of Maskinonge,
and to any appointment or appointments made to the position since the discharge of the said
< ifficia .1. I 'resented Kith March, 1893.— Mr. Lcgris Not printed.

£1/,. Return ,to an address of the Senate, to his excellency the Governor-General, dated the 7th March,
1893, f«>i copies of the order in council, information, evidence and papers upon which the dismissal
of John .1. Cosgrove, an officer of the inland revenue department, proceeded and was determined.
I 'resented 23rd March, 1893.— Hon, Mr. O'Donohue Not printed.

tt'Z. Statement of Governor-General's Warrants issued since last session of parliament, in accordance with
tlif Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act, section 32, subsection b. Presented 30th January,

1893, by Hon. (1. K. Foster Printed for distribution only.

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1893

VOLUME 10— Concluded.

23. Statement of expenditure on account of miscellaneous unforeseen expenses. Presented 30th January,

1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not pr\ <>t, <l.

24. Ten days' statement of the receipts and payments of Canada, from the 11th to the 20th January,

1892, and from the 11th to the 20th January, 1803. Presented 30th January, 1893, by Hon. I ;. B.
Foster Not printed.

24«. Statement of the receipts and payments of Canada, 1891-92 and 1892-93, to 31st January. Presented
6th February, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not printed.

246. Statement of the receipts and payments of Canada, 1891-92 and 1892-93, to 10th February. Presented
17th February, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not printed.

24c. Statement of the receipts and payments of Canada, 1891-92 and 1892-93, to 10th March. Presented
15th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not printed.

24c/. Statement of the receipts and payments of Canada, 1891-92 and 1892-93, to 20th March. Presented
21st March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not printed.

25. Rules of the Exchequer Court of Canada in respect to any proceeding that may be had or taken in

the Exchequer Court of Canada to impeach any patent issued under " The Patent Act. " Pre-
sented 27th January, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan Printed for sessional papers only.

26. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 9th July, 1892, for

a copy of the latest time-table adopted to govern the running of passenger trains on the Inter-
colonial Railway. Presented 30th January, 1893.— Hon. Mr. Potver Not printed.

26a. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a statement of the work-
ing expenses of the Intercolonial Railway for the year 1890-91 and also for the year 1891-92, and
from the 1st July, 1892, to the 31st December, inclusive, under the following headings, viz. : —
Locomotive power, car expenses, maintenance of way and works, station expenses, general
charges, car mileage. Presented 27th February, 1893.— Sir Hector Langevin.

Printed/or distribution only.

266. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a statement showing
the revenue of the Intercolonial Railway for the years 1890-91 and 1891-92, and from the 1st July,
1892, to the 31st December, inclusive, under the following headings, viz. : — Passengers, freight,
mails and sundries ; giving also the number of passengers and the number of tons of freight carried
in each of the above-named years. Presented 27th February, 1893. — Sir Hector Langevin.

Printed for distribution only.

26c. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 13th March, 1893, for copies of all correspondence,
reports and other documents relative to the reduction in rank of C. A. Atkinson from conductor
to brakesman, on or about October, 1887. Presented 30th March, 1893. — Mr. Wood {Westmore-
land) Not printed.

26(Z. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 28th March, 1892, for copies of all letters,.
, telegrams and correspondence relating to the use by the Canadian Pacific Railway of running
privileges over the Intercolonial Railway between Halifax and St. John ; and copies of all agree-
ments between the Canadian Pacific Railway and the Intercolonial Railway, or any department
or officer of the government of Canada, relating Jo the running privileges given to the Canadian
Pacific Railway over the Intercolonial Railway and to the payments to be made therefor ; and
also of all agreements for the payments by the Intercolonial Railway to the Canadian Pacific
Railway for the cars and engines of the latter run over the Intercolonial Railway. Presented
1st April, 1893.— Mr. Davies Not printed.

27. Copy of the Report of the Commissioners appointed by Royal Commission to take evidence as to the

truth or falsity of certain charges made against Sir Adolphe P. Caron, member of the House of
Commons and of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, with copies of the evidence and exhibits
thereto pertaining. Presented 6th February, 1893, by Sir John Thompson.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

56 Victoria. List of Sessional Papers. A. 1893

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 11.

28. Statement of all superannuations and retiring allowances in the civil service, giving the name and
rank of each person superannuated or retired, his salary, age and length of service ; his allowance
and cause of retirement, whether vacancy has been filled by promotion or new appointment, etc.,
for year ended 31st December, 1892. Presented 7th February, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster.

Printed for sessional papers only.

2&a. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 1st
March, 1893, for copies of all correspondence, papers or orders in council relating Co the superan-
nuation or retirement of Mr. T. Trudeau, late deputy of the minister of railways and canals. Pre-
sented 21st March, 1893.— Mr. Edgar Not printed.

89. Return of orders in council of 1892 relating to the department of the interior, in accordance with
clause 91 of the Dominion Lands Act, chapter 54, Revised Statutes of Canada. Presented 9th
February, 1893, by Hon. T. M. Daly. Printed for sessional papers only.

30. Return under resolution of the 20th February, 1882, in so far as the same is furnished by the depart-

ment of the interior, respecting the Canadian Pacific Railway Company. Presented 9th Feb-
ruary, 1893, by Hon. T. M. Daly Printed for sessional papers only.

30«. List of all lands sold by the Canadian Pacific Railway Company from the 1st October, 1891, to the
1st October last. Presented 9th February, 1893, by Hon. T. M. Daly.

Printed for sessional papers only.

31. List of public officers to whom commissions have issued under chapter 19 of the Revised Statutes of

Canada, during the past year, 1892. Presented 9th February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

Printed in No. 16.

S'Z. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 17th
March, 1892, for copy of all correspondence between the imperial government and the Canadian
government concerning the defences of Esquimalt. Presented 10th February , 1893. — Mr. Laurier.

Printed for sessional papers only.

33. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated Oth
February, 1893, for copy of all petitions, memorials, appeals, and of any other documents addressed
to his excellency in council, since the 15th March, 1892, relating to the Manitoba School Acts of
1890 and to section 22 of the " Manitoba Act ''and section 93 of the "British North America Act."
Also copy of all reports to and of all orders in council in reference to the same. Also copies of
all correspondence in connection therewith. Presented 10th February, 1893. — Mr. LaRiviere.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

33a. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 6th
February, 1893, for a copy of the judgment of the judicial committee of her majesty's privy council
in the appealed case of Barrett vs. the City of Winnipeg, commonly known as the "Manitoba
School Case." Also copy of factums, reports and other documents in connection therewith. Pre-
sented 14th February, 1893. — Mr. LaRiviere Printed for both distribution and sessional pajecrs.

336. Further return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General,
dated 6th February, 1893, for a copy of the judgment of the judicial committee of her majesty's
privy council in the appealed case of Barrett vs. the City of Winnipeg, commonly known a.s the
" Manitoba School Case." Also copy of factums, reports and other documents in connection
therewith. Presented 20th February, 1893.— Mr. LaRiviere.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

33c. Supplementary return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-Gen-
eral, dated 6th February, 1893, on the subject of the Manitoba School Acts of 1890, with a certified
copy of a report of a committee of the honourable the privy council, approved by his excellency
the Governor-General in council on 22nd February, 1893, relative to the settlement of important
questions of law concerning certain statutes of the province of Manitoba relating to education-
Presented 1st March, 1893. — Mr. LaRiviere Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

SSd. Partial return to an address of tin: Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 3rd Feb-
ruary, 1893, for: 1. A copy of the deliberations, resolutions and ordinances of the former council
oi Assiniboia, relating to educational matters within its jurisdiction as it existed on the banks of

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the Red River before the creation of the province of Manitoba. 2. A statement of the amounts
paid by the said council of Assiniboia for the maintenance of schools, showing the persons to whom
such payments were made, the schools for which such amounts were paid, and the religious denomi-
nation to which such schools belonged. 3. A statement of the amounts paid by the Hudson's

Bay Company or by its agents, to the schools then existing in tVie territories forming to-day the
province of Manitoba. 4. A copy of all memoranda and instructions serving as basis for the
negotiations as a result of which Manitoba became one of the provinces of the confederation ;
together with a copy of the minutes of the deliberations of the persons charged, on both parts, to
settle the conditions of the creation of the province of Manitoba and of its entrance into the con-
federation ; and also a copy of all memoranda, returns and orders in council, establishing such
conditions of entrance, or serving as a basis for the preparation of "The Manitoba Act." 5. A
copy of the despatches and instructions from the imperial government to the government of
Canada on the subject of the entrance of the province of Manitoba into the confederation, com-
prising therein the recommendations of the imperial government concerning the rights and privi-
leges of the population of the territories, and the guarantees of protection to be accorded to the
acquired rights, to the property, to the customs and to the institutions of that population by the
government of Canada, in the settlement of the difficulties which marked that period of the history
of the Canadian west. 6. A copy of the acts passed by the legislature of Manitoba relating to
education in that province, and especially of the first act passed on this subject after the entrance
of the said province of Manitoba into the confederation, and of the laws existing upon the same
subject in the said province immediately before the passing of the acts of 1890, relating to the
public schools and relating to the department of education. 7. A copy of all regulations with
respect to schools passed by the government of Manitoba or by the advisory board in virtue of the
laws passed in 1890, b}' the legislature of Manitoba, relating to public schools and the department
of education. 8. A copy of all correspondence, petitions, memoranda, resolutions, briefs, factums,
judgments (as well of first instance as in all stages of appeal), relating to the school laws of the said
province of Manitoba, since the 1st June, 1890, or to the claims of catholics on this subject ;and also
a copy of all reports to the privy council and of all orders in council relating to the same subject
since the same date. Presented 30th March, 1893.— Hon. Mr. Bcrnier.

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

34. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 13th April, 1892, for copies of the instructions

issued to Prof. Saunders when he was directed to inquire into the question of the growing of
sugar-beet and the manufacture of beet-root sugar in Canada, or since that date up to the time
when his report was laid before this House. Presented 10th February, 1893— Mr. Beausolcd.

Not printed.

35. Return to an Address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated Gth

February, 1893, for all correspondence, documents, reports and orders in council about a special
commission to inquire into the most feasible means of completing the telegraphic system of the
empire. Presented 10th February, 1893 — Sir H. Langevin Printed for sessional papers only.

36. Detailed statement of all bonds and securities registered in the department of the secretary of state of

Canada, since last return, 1892, submitted to the parliament of Canada under section 23, chapter 19,
of the Revised Statutes of Canada. Presented 13th February, 1893, by Hon. J. Costigan.

Not printed

37. Statement showing quantity and bounty paid on pig iron produced in Canada since date of last return

to House of Commons, 16th March, 1892. Presented 16th February, 1893, by Mr. Wallace.

Printed for sessional papers only.

37a. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for return showing the
quantity of pig iron produced in Canada in the years 1870, 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1876, 1877,
1878, 1879 and 1880, and bounty paid, if any, during those years ; also amount of pig iron
imported from Great Britain and the United States respectively, and the total amount imported
during those years. Presented 28th February, 1893. — Mr. Macdonald (Huron).

Printed for sessional papers only.

376. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a return showing the
quantity of pig iron produced in Canada in the years 1881, 1882, 1883. 1884, 1885, 1886, 1887, 1888,
1889, 1890, 1891, 1892 ; and the bounty paid for the production in each of those years. Presented
13th March, 1893.— Mr. McMullen Printed for sessional papers only.

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38. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for the evidence taken

before Mr. James G. Moylan, inspector of penitentiaries, in connection with the investigation or
investigations held by that official at Kingston penitentiary during the past year which resulted in
the dismissal or resignation of certain officials of that institution. Presented 22nd February, 1893.
— Mr. Somerville .... . . . . . , Not printed.

39. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for a copy of the questions

put and the subjects submitted to the parties who presented themselves for preliminary or qualify-
ing examination, or both, at tho last examination for the civil service. Presented 23rd February,
1893. — Sir Hector Langevin Not printed.

40. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for a return showing the

number of Experimental Farm Reports published for the year 1891 ; the number published in
English and French respectively ; the number allotted to each member of the House of Commons
and Senate, and the number still on hand. Presented 24th February, 1893. — Mr. Grieve.

Not printed.

41. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 20th

February, 1893, for a copy of any report to council made by Hon. J. A. Chapleau when minister
of customs, on the reorganization of the customs department or recommending changes regarding
that department. Presented 24th February, 1893. — Mr. Landerkin Not printed.

45$. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a list of the names of all
tenderers for section eight of the Soulanges canal, also of the residence of each such tenderers, and
of the amount of each tender. Presented 27th February, 1893. — Sir Hector Langevin. Not printed.

43. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 2nd

February, 1893, for copies of all correspondence, memorials, departmental orders and orders in
council, not already laid before the House, respecting the north-western, northern and eastern
boundaries of the province of Quebec, together with all reports of surveys or explorations ordered
thereon or in connection therewith, by the government of Canada, since last session of parliament,
including the instructions for said surveys or explorations. Presented 27th February, 1893. — Sir
Hector Langevin Printed for sessional papers only.

44. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor General, dated 6th

February, 1893, for a copy of any order in council or other document which gave power to the
"Stanstead, Shefford and Chambly Railway Co." or their successors "The Vermont Central
Railway Company " to build a bridge across the Richelieu river at St. John's, P.Q. Presented
28th February, 1893.— Mr. Bechard Not printed.

45. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 6th

February, 1893, for copies of all petitions, correspondence and documents whatsoever respecting
the granting of a subsidy to the Quebec Oriental Railway. Presented 28th February, 1893. — Mr.
Vaillancourt Not printed.

40. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 1st March, 1893, for copies of instructions to
officers employed in the taking of the third census of Canada, 1891, and copies of forms vised.
Presented 1st March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster Not printed.

4G<7. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 6th February, 1893,
for information, accompanied with full explanatory remarks, from the officer in charge of the
direction and superintendence of the last Canadian Census of 1891, on the following points :
1. Was the enumeration of the French element of the population, in the taking of the Census of
1891, intended and carried on to convey the same information as was furnished by the previous
( 'ensus of 1851 and 1861 of the former province of Canada, and the Canadian Census of 1871 and
1881 ? 2. What was the meaning intended and the interpretation given, in the taking of the
Census of 1891, to the words French- Canadian and Canadian-French as heading of one of the
columns of Census Schedule No. 1 ? 3. What is the precise meaning and what is to be understood
by the various words made use of in the Census Bulletin No. 11, signed George Johnson, statisti-
cian, namely, the words Nationalities, Nationality, French-speaking, English-speaking, Canadiens-
Anglais, as part of the new nomenclature adopted? 4. Were there people of French nationality,
real Frenchmen, excluded from the registration of the French element of the population on account
of being born outside; of Canada, and were there French people included among the English-

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speaking on accountof being able to speak the English language ? Is there any connection fcx
such cases and the nomenclature of Bulletin No. 11, and if not, why is it that the simple
"French, formerly used as meaning the French element, was abandoned, to be variously replaced
by the words French-speaking, French-Canadians, and so forth ? 5. What were, in addition to the
printed instructions, the practical explanations and directions given to the officers, commissioners
and enumerators, as regard* the registration of the French element of the population, or p
of French origin or nationality ? G. Was the actual enumeration of the French, in 1801, uniform-
ally carried on throughout, in the various Census districts, sul (districts and divisions? 7. Ate
there reasons to apprehend, from direct investigation, personal knowledge, or statistical criticism,
that the figures given as representing the number of French people, are notably deficient in some
or many returns of the enumeration of 1891? 8. Were the returns delivered by the enumerators
examined by the commissioners, the officers, and at the central office under the. supervision, the
responsibility of the superintendent, in view to test their accuracy and to correct apparent errors ?
9. Was it noticed by some of the officers or the superintendent, that very serious discrepancies
existed in the return of the French between the Census of 1891 and the statistical series of previous
censuses, and was thereby trouble taken to investigate the serious question raised by the very
striking want of concordance ? 10. Is there any rational explanation of the returns of 1891 by which
the French appear to have met abnormous losses in their number, especially in Nova Scotia,
Ontario and the Territories ? 11. Are there local or accidental causes capable of explaining the
vast differences in the multiplication of the French which would have taken place, if the figures of
the Census of 1891 were correct, between Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia,
for instance ? 12. Was there, at any time, steps taken to ascertain the cause and extent of such
extraordinary returns ; if not, what was the cause of that omission ; if so, what were the proceed-
ings adopted, and what the results ? 13. Has the superintendent of the Census of 1891 taken
notice of the very determined objection to accept the extraordinary figures of 1891, as representing
the actual number of the French in Canada, and has any serious investigation of this important
question been undertaken by him ; if so, what are the conclusions arrived at, including the
statistical criticism involved ? 14. And that the said information include all instructions given to
the enumerators in the several years, 1881 and 1891, be brought down with the return. Presented
30th March, 1893.— Hon. Mr. Tasse Not printed.

47. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 20th

February, 1893, for a copy of the report of the Honourable Mr. Justice Wetmore, appointed by
royal commission to inquire into certain charges against Lawrence Herchmer, commissioner of the
North-west Mounted Police. Presented 3rd March, 1893. — Mr. Bavin Not printed.

48. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 2<>th

February, 1893, for a return of all correspondence, telegrams, reports and other papers relating
to the suspension of Mr. Edward Hackett, Inspector of Fisheries, Prince Edward Island, in the
year 1892 ; together with copies of the charges made against Mr. Hackett, the authority given to
the commissioner in Prince Edward Island to take evidence on such charges, together with the
evidence taken, and the report of the minister of marine thereon, together with any letters, cor-
respondence, orders or reports relating to the reinstatement of Mr. Hackett. Presented 6th
March, 1893.— Mr. Davics Not printed.

49. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 6th

February, 1893, for a statement showing total amount of money paid by years since confederation
on each of the following accounts : (a) Salary of Governor-General. (6) Travelling expenses of
Governor-General, (c) Expenditure on Rideau Hall on capital account and maintenance ; expen-
diture on Rideau Hall grounds on capital account and maintenance, (d) Expenditure on fur-
nishings of all kinds for Rideau Hall, (c) Allowance to Governor-General for coal and light.
(/) Expenditure on any other account in connection with the office of Governor-General.
(g) Expenditure on any other account in connection with Rideau Hall and grounds, {h) Total
expenditure of every kind since confederation in connection with the office of Governor-General,
(i) Total expenditure of every kind in connection with Rideau Hall and grounds. Presented 6th
March, 1893.— Mr. Mulock Printed for sessional papers only.

50. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 6th

February, 1893, for a return of all letters, correspondence, reports and all other matter on record,
passed between the department of agriculture and the high commissioner of Canada in London,

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the imperial board of trade or any other officials of an authoritative body in reference to the
scheduling of Canadian cattle in the ports of Great Britain and Ireland, on and after 20th
October, last. Presented 6th March, 1893. — Mr. Sproule Printed for sessional papers only.

51. Agreement entered into between Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and

Ireland and the President of the French Republic, regulating the commercial relations between
Canada and France in respect of customs tariffs. Presented 6th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E.
Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

51a. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, for copies of
correspondence and other papers in relation to an agreement entered into between Her Majesty
the Queen of the United Kindom of Great Britain and Ireland and the President of the French
Republic, regulating the commercial relations between Canada and France in respect of customs
tariffs. Presented 15th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster,

Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

516. Supplementary return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-Gene-
ral, dated 15th March, 1893, for copies of correspondence and other papers in relation to an
agreement entered into between Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland and the President of the French Republic, regulating the commercial relations between
Canada and France in respect of customs tariffs. Presented 20th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E.
Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

51c. Further supplementary return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-
General, dated 15th March, 1893, for copies of correspondence and other papers in relation to an
agreement entered into between Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Ireland and the President of the French Republic, regulating the commercial relations between
Canada and France in respect of customs tariffs. Presented 25th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E.
Foster Printed for both distribution and sessional papers.

52. Papers relating to the conference held at Washington in February, 1892, between the delegates of the

Canadian government and the secretary of state of the United States upon the several subjects
therein mentioned. Presented 7th March, 1893, by Hon. G. E. Foster.

Printed for sessional papers only.

53. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 1st

March, 1893, for copies of all letters, telegrams and correspondence between the government or any
member thereof, and the late English financial agents of Canada in London and the Bank of Mon-
treal in reference to the recent change of agency at London. Presented 7th March, 1893. —
Sir Richard Catrtwright Not printed.

54. Copy of an order in council of the 17th January, 1893, authorizing the issue of licenses to United

States fishing vessels during the year 1893, for the purchase of bait, ice, lines and all other sup-
plies, the transhipment of catch and shipping of crews. Presented 7th March, 1893, by Hon.
J. Costigan Not printed.

55. Statement of the affairs of the British Canadian Loan and Investment Company, on 31st December,

1892. Also a list of shareholders on the 31st December, 1S92. Presented 30th March, 1893, by
Hon. Mr. Speaker Not printed.

5«. Return bo an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 21st February, 1893,
for copies of all letters, communications and telegrams between the minister of agriculture or any
official under him, or any other minister or official of the Dominion government, and the Canadian
Pacific Railway Company, the British Columbia government, the mayors of the cities of Victoria
and Vancouver, the Dominion health officers of the ports of Victoria and Vancouver, relating to
the introduction of small-pox into Victoria and Vancouver, in May and June, 1892, by the mail
steamers from Japan and China. Presented 9th March, 1893. — Hon. Mr. Mclnnes (Victoria).

Not printed.

57. Return of applications for registration under the provisions of chapter 131, Revised Statutes
n.el,, "An Act respecting Trades Unions." Presented 15th March, 1893, by Hon. J.

( ' -' igan Not printed.

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VOLUME 11— Continued.

5H. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 15th March, 1893, for a statement showing

in detail the expenditure incurred since last session of parliament, in carrying on the borings
in the Straits of Northumberland to obtain data as to the probable cost of a tunnel, also for all
contracts, correspondence, telegrams or papers in anywise relating to such borings or such expen-
diture. Presented 15th March, 1893.— Mr, Perry Not printed.

59. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for copies of all petitions,

letters and documents whatsoever, in relation to the change in the location of the post office of
Notre Dame du Rosaire. Presented 20th March, 1893. — Mr. Choquctte Not printed.

59a. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a return of all petitions,
documents and letters in relation to a request made for increased mail service at the Harkaway post
office, during the past six years. Presented 29th March, 1893. — Mr. Landerkin Not printed.

596. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 1st March, 1893, for copies of all correspondence
and petitions asking for a change in the post office of St. Sebastien, in the county of Beauce ; and
of the report of the post office inspector in relation thereto. Presented 29th March, 1893. — Mr.
Godbout Not printed.

60. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 1st March, 1893, for copies of all accounts, letters,

receipts and other documents in relation to the claim of Charles I. Labrie, of Levis, for professional
service in connection with expropriation, during the construction of the St. Charles Branch. Pre-
sented 20th March, 1893.— Mr. Fremont Not printed.

61. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 1st March, 1893, for copies of petitions from

county councils and other municipal corporations asking that railways under Dominion control
be compelled to build culverts on natural watercourses crossing their lines, and correspondence re-
lating thereto. Presented 21st March, 1893. — Mr. Casey Not printed.

62. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 1st

March, 1893, for copies of all communications, memorials, etc., addressed to his excellency in
council, to the Dominion government or any member thereof, since 1888, urging the granting of a
federal subsidy to the Central Ontario Railway Company, to enable that company to extend its
line from Coehill northward. Presented 21st March, 1893. — Mr. Corby Not printed.

63. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 1st

March, 1893, for all correspondence, petitions and papers that are in the possession of the govern-
ment relating to the disallowance of chapter 1 of the Acts of Nova Scotia, dated 1892 : "An act
to amend and consolidate the Acts relating to Mines and Minerals," including any petition of
David McKeen, Esq., M.P., and others, in respect of the said act. Presented 21st March, 1893. —
Mr. Weldon Printed for sessional papers only.

64. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 6th February, 1893, for a return, in the form

used in the statements usually published in the Gazette, of the exports and imports from the first
day of July, 1892, to the first day of January, 1893, distinguishing the products of Canada and
those of other countries ; and comparative statements from the first day of July, 1891, to the first
day of January, 1892. Presented 21st March,- 1893. — Sir R. Cartwright Not printed.

65. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for all papers, documents,

correspondence, etc., addressed to the government in relation to the best means to be adopted to
prevent the spreading of cholera. Presented 23rd March, 1893. — Mr. Landerkin Not printed.

66. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 15th March, 1893, for copies of all correspon-

dence between the minister of justice and the Hon. J. G. Bosse, judge of the court of Queen's
Bench, in relation to the trial and condemnation of R. H. McGreevy and O. E. Murphy, charged
with a conspiracy to defraud ; of all recommendations and of all reports made by the said Hon. J.
G. Bosse in relation to the conviction of the said Murphy and McGreevy and to a commutation
of the sentence of R. H. McGreevy ; of the order for the commutation of the sentence of R. H.
McGreevy, and of any petitions, letters, etc., in relation thereto. Presented 24th March, 1893. —

Mr, Tarte , . . Not printed.

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67. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 23rd February,

1893, for: 1. A copy of the commission issued appointing and constituting certain persons a
royal commission to obtain reliable data respecting the operation and effects of legislative prohi-
bition of the traffic in intoxicating liquors. 2. Also a copy of any and all instructions given for
the guidance of the said royal commission by or under the authority of the government. 3. Also
copies of any and all documents and statistics furnished to the said royal commission, by any of
the departments of the civil service, or any officer of the government, embodying information or
suggestions in relation to the subjects which the said royal commission was appointed to examine
and report upon. Presented 15th March, 1893. — Hon. Mr. Vidal : Not printed.

68. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 7th February, 1893,

for copies of all letters, communications and telegrams between the minister of agriculture, or any
official under him, or any other minister or official of the Dominion government, and the govern-
ment of British Columbia or any official thereof, the British Columbia board of trade, and the
local Dominion engineer, relating to the erection of a proper quarantine station at Albert Head
or William Head, British Columbia. Presented 15th March, 1893. — Hon. Mr. Mclnnes (Victoria).

Not printed.

69. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 7th March, 1893,

for a copy of the royal instructions from her most gracious majesty the Queen to his excellency,
on his appointment to his present office. Presented 20th March, 1893. — Hon. Mr. Wark.

Printed for sessional papers only.

70. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 0th February, 1893, for copies of all correspon-

dence between Mr. Robertson, dairy commissioner for Canada, and the department of agi'icul-
turo, in relation to a certain resolution adopted by a committee of the board of trade of Bristol,
England, against accepting as Canadian chesse, cheese designated by the said committee under the
name of "French Cheese" and manufactured in the province of Quebec. Copies of all speeches,
letters and reports made by the said dairy commissioner, Mr. Robertson, on the value of cheese
manufactured in the provinces of Quebec and Ontario. Presented 25th March, 1893. —Mr. Rinjret.

Not printed.

71. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated

20th February, 1893, for copy of the claims made by Messrs. F. B. McNamee & Co., con-
tractors, in connection with the recommendations made by a select committee of the House of
Coaimons, June, 1887, with all reports, orders in council and other papers relating thereto.
Presented 28th March, 1893. — Sir Hector Langcvin : Not printed.

72. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 20th February, 1893, for copies of all correspon-

dence and reports accumulated between the years 1876 and 1893 in the hands of the government
relating to the Lurcher Shoal, near the entrance to the Bay of Fundy, and proposed means for
the protection of navigation in that vicinity. Presented 29th March, 1893. — Mr. Bowers.

Not printed.

73. Return to an order of the House of Commons, dated 13th March, 1893, for copies of all correspon-

dence relating to the claim of Mr. Lauchlin McDougall, of Victoria County, Nova Scotia, for
superannuation allowance, together with the amounts paid him as lighthouse-keeper in St. Paul's
and Ingonish, giving the separate amounts for each year. Presented 29th March, 1893.— Mr.
Fraser * Not printed.

74. Return to an address of the House of Commons to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 13th

March, 1893, for copies of all tenders, letters, telegrams and correspondence between the govern-
ment and their agents and any other persons, in regard to the contract let for the repairing of the
i )> .minion steamer " Quadra." Presented 30th March, 1893. — Mr. Prior Not printed.

*.■>. General statements and returns of baptisms, marriages and ^burials in the districts of Chicoutimi,
Gaspe, Joliette, Iberville, Montmagny, Ottawa and Saguenay, for the year 1892. Presented 30th
March, 1893, by Hon. Mr. Speaker Not printed.

7<». Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 14th March,
1893, for a statement and account showing the amount said to have been improperly retained by
William Ellis, superintendent of the Welland canal, and subsequently refunded by him, and not
included in a return laid before the Senate, in answer to an address of the Senate of the 18th June,

1891. Presented 28th March, 1893.— Hon. Mr. McCcdlwa Not printed.

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77. Return to an address of the Senate to his excellency the Governor-General, dated 28th February, 1893,
for a list giving the names of all persons employed permanently or temporarily at the custom-house
at Montreal, on the first day of January, 1868 ; also a similar list of those 80 employed on the first of
January, ultimo, with, in both cases, their ages, nationality, religion, salary, occupation an.l date
of appointment. Presented 30th March, 1893. — Hon. Mr. Bellerose Not printed.

REPORT

OP THE

MINISTER OF JUSTICE

AS TO

PENITENTIARIES IN CANADA

FOR THE

YEAR ENDED 30th JUNE

1892

OTTAWA

PRINTED BY S. E. DAWSON, PRINTER TO THE QUEEN'S MOST
EXCELLENT MAJESTY

1893
[No. 18—1892.] Price, 15 cents.

Department of Justice.

To His Excellency the Governor-General of Canada, &c.} &c, &c.

May it Please Your Excellency,

For the information of Your Excellency, I have the honour to submit the
accompanying Annual Eeport of the Inspector of Penitentiaries of the Dominion,
also the Annual Reports of certain officers of the Penitentiaries, and the prescribed
financial and statistical statements and tables, the same being for the year ended

30th June, 1892.

I have the honour to be,

Your Excellency's most obedient servant,

Department of Justice,

Ottawa, December, 1892.

JOHN S. D. THOMPSON,

Minister of Justice.

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Department of Justice.

INDEX.

Inspector's General Report

do report on Kingston Penitentiary

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary .

Dorchester Penitentiary

Manitoba Penitentiary

British Columbia Penitentiary . . .
Regina Jail

Page.

REPORTS, FINANCIAL RETURNS, STATISTICAL TABLES, &C.

Kingston Penitentiary, report of Warden .' 1

do per capita cost of convits . 3

do report of Protestant Chaplain 4

do do Roman Catholic Chaplain 4

do do Surgeon 5

do do Matron 12

do do Schoolmaster 13

do movements of convicts for past ten years 14

do do 1891-92 15

do returns of pardons 15

do do deaths 16

do do recommitments 16

do do punishments 17

do do remissions earned 17

do do value of labour 18

do do volumes in Library 18

do do grist-mill account 19

do do farm account 19

do do revenue , 20

.do do expenditure 21

do balance sheet 26

do officers employed 27

do convicts received during 1891-92 31

do criminal statistics 33

do distribution of convicts. 36

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, report of Warden 37

do per capita cost of convicts 39

do report of Protestant Chaplain 40

do do Roman Catholic Chaplain 41

do do Surgeon 42

do do Schoolmaster 44

do return of convicts received during 1891-92 45

do criminal statistics 47

do movements of convicts from 1874 to 1892 49

do do for 1891-92 50

do return of pardons 50

do do deaths 50

do do recommitments 51

do do punishments 51

do • do remissions earned . . 52

do do employments 52

do do officers employed 53

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St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, return of revenue 55

do do expenditure 56

do do cost of maintenance, less value of labour 61

do balance sheet 62

do days' work 62

do farm account 63

do value of buildings, land, &c 63

Dorchester Penitentiary, Warden's Report 64

do per capita cost of convicts 66

do Pi otestant Chaplain's report 67

do Roman Catholic Chaplain's report 68

do Surgeon's report 69

do Schoolmaster's report 71

do convicts received in 1891-92 72

do movements of convicts, 1891-92 74

do comparative statement of movements of convicts, for twelve years 75

do pardons 76

do deaths 76

do recommitments. 76

do criminal statistics 77

do punishments , 79

do remissions earned 79

do employments 80

do value of labour '. 80

do revenue 81

do expenditure 82

do balance sheet 86

do officers employed 87

do library 88

Manitoba Penitentiary, Warden's report 89

do per capita cost of convicts 91

do Protestant Chaplain's report 92

do Roman Catholic Chaplain's report 93

do Surgeon's report 94

do Schoolmaster's report 95

do movements of convicts during 1891-92 95

do convicts received, 1891-92 96

do movements of convicts for last ten years 98

do pardons , ' 99

do recommitments 99

do crimes 99

do length of sentences 100

do ethnology of convicts 100

do nationality 100

do ages 100

do religion 101

do education 101

do occupation 101

do civil condition 101

do punishments 102

do days remitted and lost 102

<!<> value of unproductive labour 103

do daily average of convicts 104

<lo officers employed 104

do revenue 105

<1o expenditure 106

do balance sheet 110

do farni account 110

do I i I >rary ' Ill

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British Columbia Penitentiary, Warden's report. L12

do per capita coat of convicts LIS

do Protestant Chaplain's report 1 1 I

do Roman Catholic Chaplain's report 114

do Surgeon's report 1 15

do Schoolmaster's report lit;

do convicts received during 1891-92 117

do movements of convicts during 1891-92 118

do do from 1882 to 1892 118

do pardons 119

do crimes for which imprisoned 119

do sentences . . 120

do ethnology of convicts 120

do nationality 120

do occupations 121

do civil condition.. . • 121

do moral habits 121

do ages . 122

do religion 122

do education 122

do punishments _ 123

do remission earned 123

do earnings of convicts 124

do officers employed , 125

do volumes in libraries 125

do revenue . , 126

do expenditure 127

do balance sheet , '. 132

Department of Justice.

SEVENTEENTH ANNUAL EEPOET

OF THE

INSPECTOR OF PENITENTIARIES

OF THE

DOMINION OF CANADA

FOE THE YEAE ENDED 30th JUNE, 1892.

Honourable Sir John Thompson,

Minister of Justice.

Sir, — As the law directs, Act 49 Vic, cap. 182, sec. 16, I have the honour to lay
before you my annual report, on the Penitentiaries of Canada, for the fiscal year
ended 30th June, 1892. In obedieuce to rule, I submit, herewith, the reports of the
several officers of the penitentiaries, whose duty it is to furnish such statements to
the Inspector, and also the returns, statistics, &c, &c, called for by the rules and
regulations approved by the Privy Council.

The following summary shows the movements of convicts in the penitentiaries
of the Dominion, during the last fiscal year : —

Kingston Penitentiary.

Males. Females. Total.

Eemaining 30th June, 1891 562 24 586

Eeceived since do 108 8 116

670 32 702
Discharged since 30th June, 1891 164 6 170

Eemaining 30th June, 1892 506 26 532

Nine male convicts died; two of the number were insane. Daily average 562^8^.

Two escapes occurred.

There were 54 convicts less on the 30th June last than on the same date in 189 1#

The number of the female prisoners increased from 24 to 26.

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary.

Males. Females. Total.

Eemaining 30th June, 1891 350 0 350

Eeceived since do 138 1 139

488 1 489

Discharged since 30th June, 1891 114 1 115

Eemaining 30th June, 1892 374 0 374

There was one death. No escape. The daily average was 353.
An increase of 24 male convicts is shown.

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Dorchester Penitentiary.

. Males. Females. Total.

Remaining 30th June, 1891 169 0 169

Received since do , 72 4 76

241 4 245

Discharged since 30th June, 1891 69 4 73

Remaining 30th June, 1892 172 0 172

One death took place. One escape. Daily average 170.
There has been an increase of 3 over the previous year.

Manitoba Penitentiary.

Males. Females. Total.

Remaining 30th June, 1891 71 0 71

Received since do 35 1 36

106 1 107

Discharged since 30th June, 1891 31 1 32

Remaining 30th June, 1892 75 0 75

No death occurred. Two escaped. Daily average 69*98.
Increase 4.

British Columbia Penitentiary.

Males. Females. Total.

Remaining 30th June, 1891 73 0 73

Received since do . 19 1 20

92 1 93

Discharged since 30th June, 1891 17 1 18

Remaining 30th June, 1892... 75 0 75

Increase 2. Escaped 2. Daily average 73. No death.

Recapitulation.

Kingston Penitentiary 532

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary 374

Dorchester do 172

Manitoba do 75

British Columbia do 75

Total number of convicts 30th June, 1892 1,228

do do do 1891 1,249

Total decrease, 30th June, 1892 , 21

In the several penitentiaries 387 convicts were received during the year ended
30th June, 1892, as compared with 414 the previous year, a decrease of 27. The
number discharged, last year was 408 and the year before 416, a decrease of 8 for the
fiscal year 1891-92.

Department of Justice.

The prison population, in Kingston Penitentiary, at the close of the year 1891-92,
shows a decrease of 54 contrasted with the total on 30th June, 1891, a very gratify-
ing exhibit in the criminal statistics of the growing and populous province of Ontario.
An increase of 24 in Quebec, 3 in the Maritime Provinces, 4 in Manitoba and li in
British Columbia falls short of counterbalancing Ontario's decrease by 21. As 6 con-
victs were transferred to Kingston, from other penitentiaries, in the course of the
year, the actual decrease in the number of convicts from Ontario, in 1891-92 is 60.

One might theorize upon this remarkable shortage — so to speak — in the criminal
record of Ontario. Has an era of reformation set in? Is crime really lessening?
Or, is a wider latitude as to its detection and punishment allowed, in Upper Canada,
than in the sister provinces? Let us hope there is no ground for the last hypo-
thesis; but that the large percentage of diminution in evil doing can be properly
attributed to the social, moral and religious improvement of the people of Ontario.

It is a rather startling fact at first sight that the number committed to St.
Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, in 1891-92 exceeded that sent to Kingston by 29.
This is altogether out of proportion to the population of the respective provinces.
Doubtless, many are sentenced to the Central Prison, for the maximum term, who
would be consigned to Kingston were the Toronto institution not in existence, and
this may, in a measure, account for the disparity noticed. There is no similar prison
in the province of Quebec, and this is to be regretted.

Of late years, our penitentiaries have had a most undesirable, because a most
hardened and irreclaimable class of criminals added to their numbers. This is parti-
cularly the case at Kingston and St. Yincent de Paul, where those cockney sneak
thieves and pickpockets, referred to, are numerous. These pests, gathered from the
slums of St. Giles and East London, after short terms of so-called probation, in a
certain notoriously mis-managed refuge, are periodically shipped out to Canada, as
immigrants deserving of encouragement and support. With very few exceptions — as
the police of our cities and towns know — these street Arabs from Whitechapel and
Eotherhithoand Eatcliff and other like haunts of vice, speedily return to their old habits,
on arriving in Canada, and, as a consequence, become a burden and an expense upon
the tax-payers of the Dominion, in our reformatories, gaols and penitentiaries. Steeped
as they have been in crime, from infancy, because inherited, they are found to be the
most troublesome and worst conducted convicts that reach our penitentiaries.
Their evil influence in corrupting others is potent and perniciouk The general
verdict of the Chaplains and the other prison officers, .regarding those youthful
imitators of Fagin and Bill Sykes, is most unfavourable. They consider them dead to
all good influences and that their reformation is hopeless. In order to protect the
community, against the depredations of such thoroughly trained malefactors, and
our youth, especially, against the evil effects of their example and influence, it were
advisable that effectual means be adopted to prevent mistaken philanthropists,
abroad and at home, aiding and encouraging the transplanting to Canada of exotics
so upas-like and so unsuited to the soil and moral atmosphere of the country.

The use of tobacco by convicts, and the supplying of it to them at the public
expense, has been sometimes commented upon in Parliament. One or two of the war-
dens, even, object to the custom, now so long established. Tobacco is not allowed to
minors, but there does not appear to be any well-grounded objection or valid reason
for depriving adults, and especially those who have been accustomed to it, of so trifl-

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ing a privilege. If smoking were allowed instead of chewing, it would be better on
the score of cleanliness and, perhaps, of health. The following paragraph from the
London Queen, of November 12th, may tend to allay the fears or the qualms with which
some " unco guid " folk3 are troubled in reflecting upon the great evil, physically and
morally, which tobacco entails upon those who come under the ban of the law and
whose other luxuries and enjoyments are memories of the past or expectations in the
future. The Queen says : — "The late Dr.W. F. Cumming, Kinellan,Murray Field, has,
according to the British Medical Journal, bequeathed to the managers of the Edin.
burgh Eoyal Infirmary the sum of £600 (payable on November 11) but only on the
condition of their undertaking to invest the same, and apply the annual income
thereof in the purchase of snuff and tobacco for the use of such poor patients, male
and female, as may be admitted in the infirmary on account of chronic maladies and
who have been addicted to the use of tobacco in any shape, and are known to be in
distress from the want of it." Dr. Cumming would not, it is reasonable to presume,
have devised the sum mentioned for tobacco and snuff, and the managers of the
Edinburgh Eoyal Infirmary would not, surely, admit these articles inside the doors
of that institution, were they productive of the injurious and demoralizing effects
which prejudice or self-righteousness is wont to ascribe to their use. 1 1 has been asked,
why not allow convicts whiskey as well as tobacco? Several reasons might be given
to show that there is no parallel between rations of tobacco and rations of whiskey
for convicts. In most if not in all the continental prisons of Europe the convicts are
allowed to smoke, and they are enabled to buy, out of their own earnings, their
tobacco and cigars and other little luxuries which are allowed under the prison rules.
As these rules have been framed by men of the highest reputation and acknowledged
experience in all that relates to the wise and proper administration of penal establish-
ments and treatment of convicts, it may be claimed that this department is not fairly
censurable for having adopted the same indulgent and encouraging practice of dis-
tributing a weekly allowance of tobacco to each adult convict in our penitentiaries.

The plain, home truths set forth, in lastyear's report, regarding the disciplinary
officers of the several penitentiaries, have, I am happy to say, produced good results.
There has been a general awakening among the careless and lethargic and those who
had been giving satisfaction before, have, since, shown themselves more zealous and
efficient. A number of the officers, of one of the penitentiaries, inconsiderately took
to themselves the remarks intended for the whole service, felt much aggrieved and
expressed themselves accordingly. Upon sober after-thought they discovered and
acknowledged their error.- The general consensus of opinion, particularly among
the wardens and other superior officers is, that the strictures were deserved and were
most opportune.

In this portion of the report I have no suggestion or recommendation to make
outside those submitted for your consideration in the report of last year. Of these
you were pleased to signify your approval, and your intention to carry them out as
the means and opportunity would allow. The leading journals of the Dominion, in
noticing the report referred to, mentioned favourably and with commendation the
principal reforms and improvements that were recommended. In view of Parlia-
ment being asked to take action upon any measures you may deem it expedient to
introduce, based upon the amendments proposed, it may not be out of place to sum-
marize them, here. They are as follows: —

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1. The multiplying of light industries for the purposes of revenue and the extend-
ing of trades and skilled labour among the convicts.

2. The appointment of* one duly qualified or of a commission to visit certain
countries in Europe, in order to acquire the information and particular details neces-
sary for the successful operation of the Prison of Isolation, at Kingston.

3. The establishment of a reformatory prison for young men between the ages
of 16 and 30.

4. A higher standard of qualification for the police of the penitentiaries, that is
to say, the guards and keepers, and a higher grade of salaries.

5. The adoption of the indeterminate sentence system.

6. A life sentence after third conviction for serious crimes.

7. The participation of the convict in his earnings over and above what covers
his maintenance.

8. A trial of the ticket of leave plan with all possible safeguards.

9. An increase to the small stipend granted to the eight organists in the four
penitentiaries, viz. : St. Vincent de Paul. Dorchester, Manitoba and British Columbia,
who, now, receive $50 each a year, for training and practising the choirs, in addition
to their attendance on Sundays and holidays. It was also proposed to allow to the
two convict organists, in Kingston Penitentiary, the sum of $10 each, a year, to be
deposited in the Post Office Savings Bank until the discharge of the one and the
other. The Chaplains are unanimous — without any preconcerted agreement — in
recommending an increase to the organists. Hon. Messrs. Bowell and Chapleau?
when at Dorchester, a short time ago, very considerately pleaded with you for a
more liberal allowance. It is not too much to say that $100, per annum, is well
earned by the respective organists.

The report for the year ended 30th June, 1890, contains the following para-
graph :—

" Being convinced that beneficial results would follow from the daily inter-
course and ministrations of the Chaplains, among the convicts, permit me to renew
my recommendation that provision be made as to salary and quarters — where the
latter may be needed — to this end." As you felt disposed to take the same view of
this important matter it may not be inopportune, now, to place it before you for
further consideration, the benefit to be derived by the convicts from closer and
more frequent association with their spiritual advisers, as experienced in the penal
prisons of Great Britain and Ireland.

The report and punishment books show that in some of the penitentiaries con-
victs have been kept in the dungeon one and two months and even for a longer
period. I have discouraged this practice in my minutes. No doubt, such punish-
ment or, rather, its equivalent is, as a rule, deserved. But, in view of the convict's
labour being lost to the penitentiary, for so long a time, some mode of punishment
other than the dungeon, after a short trial of that, should be adopted. If a week in
the dungeon do not produce the desired effect, longer confinement there generally
results in a greater degree of callousness, stubbornness and resistance to authority.
There are many convicts who would prefer idleness and the dungeon to daily rou-
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remission time and of the privilege of writing or receiving letter or visits of friends
and such like, could be substituted and I recommend that this be done. Extreme
cases may arise when the dungeon like the triangle would prove efficacious. A
great deal must be left to the discretion of the wardens; but, a too liberal use of
the dungeons is to be deprecated.

Kingston Penitentiary.
In his report, the warden states that, " the discipline, has been well maintained,
and the conduct of the prisoners has in a marked manner improved." The dark
cell and loss of remission time are the two principal modes of punishment by which
the discipline and conduct and industry of the convicts can be compared, year by
year. For the year ended 30th June, 1891, the summary of punishments awarded
shows that 201 were sent to the dark cells and 194 lost remission time. During the
year 1891-92, only 123 were sentenced to the dark cells «nd 120 forfeited short time.
These results bear out the warden's statement.

A full and searching inquiry into alleged irregularities and wrong-doing, on
the part of certain officers, was made under your instructions. Every member of the
staff was examined upon oath. The evidence is now before you for consideration.

The Prison of Isolation is not yet finished. It may not be ready for occupation
until early next autumn, as there is a considerable amount of work yet to be done,
such as the supplying of each cell with electric light and water-closet, as also neces-
sary furniture. The industries recommended are mat and broom-making, cane and
wicker work. I have prepared a code of rules which awaits the action of the Privy
Council, if approved by you. There being no similar institution on this continent,
for one's guidance and no opportunity having been afforded of obtaining the informa-
tion and experience necessary, from sources whence they could be procured — as
recommended in former report — there is reason to apprehend that the successful
inauguration and operation of the Prison of Isolation will be attended with much
difficulty and trouble. If proof were needed to show the great importance of opening
and conducting this Prison of Isolation upon the best and most approved plan and
principles, it were only necessary to advert to the large number of young men, 58
per cent under 30 and 11 per cent under 20 years of age, in this penitentiary alone,
to be affected by the result of the experiment.

The water tower will be roofed in time to have the tank constructed before
next summer. The Worthington pump, now in use at the penitentiary, has, it may
be presumed, sufficient power and capacity to send the water to the tower, in that
it supplied the exhibition grounds, a good half mile further, with abundance of water-
Should it prove inadequate, the " Annex" to the pump and boiler room, asked for
and approved by you, can be built.

The mill has been dismantled and the warden has received instructions to dis-
pose of the machinery to the best abvantage. The space occupied by the mill will
be converted into a bakery, for which it is very well adapted.

The impression is strong upon the minds of the citizens of Kingston that, the
water of the bay is vitiated by sewage of the penitentiary. To remove this as well
as to guard against the p rison supply being polluted by the discharge from the main
sewer, I, again, beg to recommend that a large tank or reservoir be made on the
esplanade to receive the drainage, &c, which can be pumped out for manuring
purposes.

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The laundry and baths, in the old annealing room, are nearly finished. This is a
more suitable place and in close connection with the dry room. The baths are similar
to those at St. Vincent de Paul, which have given so much satisfaction.

The only work done for the Departments is in connection with the Indian
Branch. It is to be regretted, in the interest of the penitentiary and of its inmates,
that a larger share of remunerative employment cannot be given by the Government.

Plans are being prepared for a new female prison and a criminal insane asylum,
for which votes were taken last session. Sites for these buildings can be had on the
penitentiary land — the former in the field east of the prison, and the latter north
of the warden's house, where a large portion of the protecting wall has been already
built. In consequence of the numerous works on hand and projected, it was stated
in last year's report, that it might be necessary to have the asylum built by contract.
The warden and Superintendent of works having consulted on the matter, undertook
to say that the asylum, the female prison and the officers' quarters could be put up
by convict labour. This may be done in the course of many years; but they cannot
be built, within any reasonable time, unless by contract. It could be ascertained
what the cost would be either way, the plans and specifications being prepared.
The greater portion if not all the stone, the lime and the iron-work could be supplied
by the penitentiary in connection with a contract. This would greatly reduce the
expense. Beside the buildings, just mentioned, other important and necessary works
are either in progress or about to be undertaken, Among these are the finishing of
the water tower, the building of a library and officers' mess room, over the kitchen,
the levelling and grading of the site for the officers' quarters and the taking down
and rebuilding of the prison wings, in view of enlarging the cells. The convict
labour available is not adequate to meet all those demands upon it, and hence the
necessity, for the first time, in the history of the penitentiary, of having works done
by outside hands.

The female prison continues to be conducted efficiently and satisfactorily. The
women are employed, constantly, in various ways. The matron gives a favourable
account of their conduct. There are two of the number crazy and one'of them gives
very much trouble, especially at night when she disturbs the others by her shouts
and loud talk. There is no proper place for female lunatics and there is no other
alternative than to pardon them in order that they be sent to an asylum, or retain
them, to the great annoyance of the other prisoners, not to speak of the trouble
and inconvenience caused to the matron and her assistant. Both these women were
of unsound mind when received into the prison.

The Protestant chaplain observes that the school monitors work better than he
had anticipated, and that the two libraries have been amalgamated, the religious
works being kept separately in the respective chapels.

The Catholic chaplain speaks in terms of high commendation of the conduct of
the prisoners under his care. He says they give no unnecessary trouble, that they
are respectful, in and out of chapel, constant in their attention to instructions, desir-
ous to become acquainted with the truths of religion and edifying in the becoming
and reverential manner in which they assist at the divine services. All this he
attributes, largely, to the good effect produced by the mission of the Oblate Fathers
last spring. The chaplain adds : — " The amalgamation of the libraries has admirably
succeeded in its purpose, as far as my department is concerned."

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The surgeon reports that " this prison was never in a more favourable position,
as regards its hygienic condition than at present." There has been no epidemic,
although several cases of typhoid were treated from which three deaths resulted.
" La grippe" also made another visitation. The surgeon remarks, with truth, that
" none are better looked after than the inmates of this institution. Their food is
wholesome and sufficient, their clothing warm and comfortable in winter, cool in
summer, their work not more laborious than labouring men outside are accustomed
to, their hours both for retiring and rising early; the dormitory and workshops well
ventilated ; they have works with which to occupy their minds when in their cells,
and were it not for the smallness of those cells, more comforts at night are enjoyed
by them than the majority of men of their class have outside those walls." This is
equally true of the other penitentiaries. Two of the convicts who died were over 80
years of age. In the insane ward 2*7 are under treatment. The surgeon states that the
majority of those are mentally incurable. Dr. Strange refers to the two insane female
convicts already mentioned. He says : — " This causes a great deal of trouble to the
matron and deputy matron and renders it almost impossible to prevent the sane
female prisoners from repeatedly violating the rules of the institution." Several
accidents — some rather serious — occurred during the year, the details of which are
given in the surgeon's return.

The schoolmaster describes the conduct of the men attending school and their
progress to have been " very satisfactory." The daily average was 90 out of 98 on
the roll.

The number of volumes in the library at the end of the year was 3,051 ; the
number of volumes issued, to 371 prisoners using the library, was 12,513.

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary.

The conduct of the prisoners, according to the warden's report and to what
transpired during the visits of inspection, has been " generally good."

There were 35 recommitments last year compared with 26 the previous year.
The warden thinks " it is time to provide for the punishment of this class of habitual
offenders." If some means of identifying them, as repeaters, before trial, could be
adopted, the judges trying them would be in a position to pronounce sentences accord-
ing to their deserts. Some years ago, in the annual report, I recommended that a
reliable penitentiary officer, of long service and experience, should be appointed from
Kingston and St. Yincent de Paul, to visit the gaols of Ontario and Quebec, within a
short time of the courts of Assize and the Queen's Bench being held, for the purpose
of identifying such prisoners, awaiting trial, as had served one or more terms as con-
victs and to give testimony to that effect. Something like this could be done ; for,
as a rule, the police do not trouble themselves to make known to the judges that
such and such prisoners were tried and convicted, although well aware of the fact,
and thus they escape the full penalty which a repetition of crime should entail.

The boundary wall has progressed steadily. The style of architecture — Tuscan
— adopted by Mr. Bowes, is most suitable, being massive, very pleasing to the eye
and quite in keeping with the splendid and substantial buildings which he designed
and erected, inside the wall. That it should be deemed necessary to make any
departure from Mr. Bowes's plan, is, in my opinion, a matter for regret. It is only
within a few days I have learned that alterations have been made in the stairs of the

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towers, and in the plan of construction of the north gate. Wooden steps have
been substituted for stone in the towers, quite at variance with the tout ensemble of
the structure. Considering how easily an evil-disposed person could set fire to those
stairs and burn them down, or how soon they will wear out, compared with stone,
there can be no economy in the change that has been made. There is abundance
of stone out of which to hew the steps, abundance of labour and ample time to do
the hewing, cui bono, therefore, the spoiling of those fine towers ? The plan of the
wall and the gates having been submitted to you and having received your appro-
val, any deviation therefrom should not, I assume, have been attempted without
your knowledge and consent. So far as I am aware, you have not been consulted.
If this be the case, I strongly recommend that the original plans, both as regards
the towers and gates, be followed. »

Several improvements, which are enumerated in the warden's report, have been
made. The opening of the new shop for carriage making, upholstering, painting, &c,
to which he refers, is of advantage to the convicts in the way of having trades and
profitable to the institution, on the score of revenue.

That no escape occurred among the hundred and odd convicts who worked out-
side the wall, affords proof of proper activity and vigilance on the part of the keepers
and guards in charge of the outside gangs.

With regard to the tinning of the barn and the Government tenements, men-
tioned by the warden, it will be well to submit for approval, an item in the estimates
to cover the necessary expenditure.

The warden passes the following encomium upon his staff: — " I am pleased to
say that the officers, as a whole, have been painstaking in the discharge of their
various duties, and are ever ready to assist me in maintaining the discipline of the
prison."

The granolithic floors for the central hall, corridors, &c, for which part provi-
sion was made in the last estimates, have not been yet laid, but, no doubt, before the
end of the fiscal year, this will be done.

The Catholic chaplain, on 30th June last, had 288 convicts on his register.
During religious service, he testifies, ■"' attention and good behaviour are maintained."
The singing is " remarkably good," and the chaplain says : " Our organist is most
certainly deserving of the increase of salary you mentioned in your last annual
report." He refers to the fruit of the .good example given by the officers and even
by the prisoners, as shown in the large number who frequent the sacraments and
the " notable progress in the discharge of religious duties." On the other hand, he
points out the evil effect of bad example which " has caused the fall of most of our
convicts."

There were 86 convicts attending the Protestant chapel on 30th June. This is
the largest number yet recorded, and rather crowds the chapel. In the event of the
number increasing beyond the capacity of the chapel, better accommodation, as to
space, can be provided in another part of the building. The chaplain does not desire
to change, if it can be avoided. Should it become necessary, he will take advantage
of the offer made to him of providing room elsewhere. Upon the completion of the
boundary wall a suitable chapel will be built. In speaking of the conduct of the
prisoners in the chapel, the chaplain says, — " Nothing could be more orderly." He

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expresses himself pleased with the new pipe organ, " which is a good substantial
instrument, and will be of material service in leading and sustaining the voices in
the service."

The surgeon represents the hygienic state of the penitentiary as very good.
There was no epidemic or contagious disease during the year, and at its close only
two patients were under treatment in hospital. This prison, since it was opened,
has been remarkably free from typhoid and other diseases of endemic character.

The school has been well and competently conducted, and the results very grati-
fying. The chaplains continue to bear testimony to the zeal and attention of the
teacher. The men who attend conduct themselves becomingly and evince a strong
desire to make good use of the opportunity afforded to improve themselves. " By
diligent study, both in the school and in their cells," the teacher says, " they
endeavour to procure the advantage of education."

The two libraries — Catholic and Protestant — have been much improved by the
addition of the books purchased from the parliamentary grant, as well as from the
special allotment which you were pleased to make from the gate fund, established
for this and other like purposes beneficial to the convicts. Referring to the library,
the Catholic chaplain says, — " The special grant of money has enabled me to buy
sufficient books to accommodate abundantly all our readers." The Protestant chap-
lain remarks, — " Out of the money appropriated I have been enabled to make a
valuable addition of books of an educational character; books of reference, also
biographical, historical and fiction, selected with the greatest care, in all amounting
to 281 volumes, which is much appreciated." No money can be better spent in con-
nection with our penitentiaries, than in keeping up the libraries. Owing to the two
languages — French and English — being used here, it has not been found practical or
desirable to amalgamate the libraries.

I quote the following from my minutes of inspection made during the year : —

" I have to express satisfaction at the manner in wnich I found the affairs of
this penitentiary conducted, as shown during my inspection. The discipline is well
maintained, and the conduct and industry of the prisoners, on the whole, very good,
indeed. No complaint has been made to me by the warden against any officer, and
no officer or convict has come before me with a grievance." — Minute Book, p. 532.

Again, — "It is but true to say the discipline was very much at a discount, from
the opening of the penitentiary, in 1873, until the appointment of the present warden.
His success in maintaining it is due to the fact that he follows the rules and obeys
the instructions he receives." — Ibid., p. 569.

The judgment, tact and influence exercised by the first chaplain, Father Leclerc,
among the convicts, for many years prevented a general gaol delivery, more than
once, without any sanction of law.

Dorchester Penitentiary.
On pago 623 of the Minute Book is the following entry : — " I am highly gratified
at being in a position to express my satisfaction at the general state of affairs here,
and to endorse the administration of the warden. My minutes of inspection show
there is no room for fault-finding or censure." Your own minute, in the same book,
in to the like effect. You wrote : — " Having visited the prison in company with Hon,
Mr. Bowell, Minister of Militia; Hon. Mr. Chapleau, Minister of Customs, and

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Messrs. Stewart and Venning, we made an examination of the building and premises,
during an hour and a half, and were pleased to observe the order, perfect cleanliness,
silence and discipline of the institution, for which the warden and staff deserve the
commendation which it has given me pleasure to bestow on them elsewhere."

(Signed) Jno. S. D. Thompson,

Minister of Justice.

The conduct and industry of the prisoners — a very few excepted — have given
satisfaction.

The officers havo been faithful and attentive in the discharge of their respective
duties. The warden had no complaint of consequence to make against any member
of the staff. Of the chaplains he says : — " I have very much pleasure in reporting
that the services of the chaplains have been most satisfactory, and I know that they
are doing good work." This is quite true.

The marsh lands, which had been much exhausted, were flooded last autumn
and remained covered until June. A considerable deposit of mud was left, from the
fertilizing properties of which the warden expects favourable results in the way of
good meadows and pasture.

The supply of spruce, from the penitentiary land having become exhausted, it
was necessary to buy what was required for the manufacture of tubs, &c.

The enlargement and other improvements in the tailor and shoe shops, referred
to in last report, have been made, thereby adding much to the convenience and com-
fort of the instructors and prisoners.

A new cement floor has been laid down in the laundry, which is now in good
repair, and so separated from the adjoining shops as to prevent the unsavoury odours
and steam of the suds penetrating there any more.

The supply of fuel from the penitentiary land will be exhausted this winter.
A great saving in the cost of coal has been accomplished for some years by the
thousands of cords of wood which the fallen and dozed trees of the bush furnished.

Some apprehension" has been felt about the water supply. On one or two occa-
sions the depth of water in the reservoirs decreased so much as to cause well
grounded alarm. It was found expedient to stop the supply to the officers' quarters
from the reservoirs, and to furnish them with what they required from the spring
near the farm-yard. In order to economize the water from the main source of supply
to the prison, it would be well to connect the quarry spring with the officers' houses
by means of a 3" pipe. The warden has been instructed to measure the distance in
view of ascertaining the number of feet of pipe required and to report the result.
In view of protecting the source of the water supply on the height of land, it
would be advisable to acquire the surrounding property. Negotiations were entered
upon for this end, but with no satisfactory result. The cutting down of the timber
around the little springs and rills from which the reservoirs are fed will tend materi-
ally to lessen the quantity of water, the shade being removed. Indeed, 1 have
learned that the owner of the land has been felling the large trees since the negotia-
tions were broken off. This is a matter that requires consideration, and that, too,
without much loss of time. To lose or have impaired the supply of such excellent
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taken to guard against such a contingency. The warden, consequently, has been
instructed to bring this matter before the Department in view of purchasing the
Turner property and of protecting the water source.

The warden has reported that the Eddy Company are not carrying out their
agreement to take, annually, at least 1,500 dozens of pails. Their order was short
that number, when the warden wrote. He has notified the company, more than
once, of their short-coming but with no satisfactory result. I recommend that,
unless the number of pails stipulated for be taken, that the arrangement be closed-
The warden is of opinion that he can make better terms, elsewhere, for the sale of
the woodenware.

The goods furnished by the Oxford Manufacturing Company give special satis-
faction; the colour of the cloth for officers' uniform is greatly improved. It may be
stated, here, that these goods have been equally approved of in the other peniten-
tiaries. The contracts for the other supplies are properly executed.

The officers' quarters are comfortable and in good repair. The addition of the
working kitchen and shed, for fuel, to those houses where it has been made, is a use-
ful and valuable one.

The chapel does not require any particular mention beyond the fact that, the
new organ is not giving satisfaction. The warden has been instructed' to ask the
builder either to put the instrument in proper order, exchange it for another and a
better one or reiund the money paid for it.

As some of the convicts have complained of the bread — without reason, I
believe — and as the convict temporarily in charge of the bakery haa not been giving
entire satisfaction, I recommend that a regular baker instructor be again employed.

The Protestant chaplain makes favourable mention of the attention of
the prisoners, during divine service; " a breach of decorum is entirely
unknown." He is not quite satisfied with the musical part of the service, owing to
the constant changes in the choir by the outgoing of trained and incoming of
untrained members. In his reference to the general library he says, — " it is as
satisfactory to my brother chaplain as to myself; and that, under Mr. Gray's manage-
ment, it is in better and smoother working condition than it has ever been." This
is a pleasing result of the fusion of the two libraries. There are 126 Protestant
convicts in Rev. Mr. Campbell's charge, and he is most zealous and attentive in look-
ing after their spiritual interests.

The report of the Catholic chaplain will repay perusal. It shows the deep con-
cern he takes in his work and in the welfare of the men under his charge. The
figures which he gives show what a large number of the convicts are wholly
ignorant and without religious instruction. " The longer I remain in this field of
labour " he says, " the fonder I feel of my work and of the men under my charge."
And this is the secret of Father Cormier's success. The convicts know he has their
well-being, here and hereafter, deeply at heart, and, consequently his advice and
teaching bear more than ordinary fruit. The behaviour of the prisoners, wherever
he meets them, in or out of the chapel, he describes as " most commendable." The
organist and singers are indefatigable, by means of practice and rehearsals, to keep
up the efficiency of the choir. The chaplain expresses his acknowledgments for
my humble — but as yet unsuccessful — pleading to obtain an increase of salary for

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the different organists. In the midst of so many and absorbing cares it is not sur-
prising that a trifling matter, comparatively, of this nature, should escape the
memory or attention of a minister. Lot us hope that a responsive chord will be
touched in the hearts of the members of the treasury board, and that the estimates
to be submitted at the approaching session of Parliament will show their apprecia-
tion of sacred music, in our penitentiary chapels, and of the untiring efforts made by
the eight lady organists — men cannot bo had for the pittance they get — to render
the religious services, on Sundays and holidays, joyful, and cheering and soul-inspir-
ing for the convict.

The surgeon claims for the institution the same good condition, as regards
health, that has always obtained since its opening. He notices the admission of 9
lads of 16 and under, and of 2 diminutive Mic-Mac Indians aged, respectively, 10 and
11 years.

The school has been well attended and conducted ; the average attendance dur-
ing the year, was 52*9. In my visits I observed that the prisoners were diligent in
learning an i attentive to the instructions they received. The following is what the
Protestant chaplain says of the school in his report : — 4i The discipline is perfect ; the
pupils show much genuine interest in their work, and a real desire to learn, from
which, to some extent, may fairly be inferred, some desire to reform." The school-
master in his report, says, — " Very considerable progress has been made by the large
majority of those attending, iand it is most encouraging to find so many who, on first
coming, knew nothing more than the alphabet, able, after a few months' attendance,
to read, write and figure with a good deal of proficiency." Want of education and of
all wholesome training, in youth, cause many to commit crime. For such the school
is a priceless boon, a great factor in leading to their reformation.

Manitoba Penitentiary.

Mr. Geo. L. Foster, accountant of penitentiaries, continued in charge of this in-
stitution, as warden pro tern., the past year. Not having paid a visit to Stony Moun-
tain, during that period, I cannot speak from personal knowledge of its affairs. From
the reports before me it may be reasonably concluded that the administration was
carried on very successlully.

The warden pro t an. enumerates the improvements made for the greater security
of the prison, which was required and will, no doubt, tend to prevent escapes. He
considers the prison wall will complete the necessary protection. A wall to inclose
an area of two acres, including the prison proper and the buildings, immediately in
proximity, may be put up, in the course of six or seven years, by convict labour,
when masonry is mastered to some extent. To build a wall surrounding twelve or
fourteen acres, as at other penitentiaries, twenty-five feet high and thick in propor-
tion, would give emploj^ment to all the convicts who could be set to work on it in
quarrying stone, dressing it, burning lime, mixing mortar and at mason work, for
twenty years at least. If the work be done by contract even the lesser wall — i.e.
round the two acres — will be a formidable and very expensive work. To increase
the staff of guards, so as to man four substantially built wooden look-out stands judici-
ously placed, and have a couple of mounted patrols on duty, while the convicts are
at work, should defeat any attempts at escape which is the main object of the pro-
posed wall. The present staff of twelve guards should supply the four men required
for the stands, [t would be only necessary, then to employ two more for mounted

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duty. This plan would be nearly, if not quite, as efficacious for the purpose as a
wall — provided the right stamp of men be employed — and it would be more econo-
mical, until such time {is the prison resources would be equal to the undertaking.
Should a wall that would barely encompass the buildings be erected, time and money
would be saved, but the many advantages of a spacious prison yard, which only ex-
perienced prison officials can duly appreciate, would be lost. Before anything be
done in the direction of building a wall, no matter of what extent, I recommend,
first, that it be ascertained whether the work can be done by convict labour ; if not,
secondly, what would be the approximate cost, by contract, of building a wall to
inclose, nay, twelve or two acres or the buildings alone. In connection with this
project, it may not be out of place to say that, most if not all of the escapes which
have been made, from this penitentiary, were due not so much to the want of a wall
as to some weak or insecure point in the prison, or to neglect or want of proper
vigilance by the officer in charge of the convicts who ran away. I recommend that
nothing be done regarding the wall, until such information as I have indicated be
obtained.

The use to which the dry sbed, or rink will be converted — a hay mow in the
farm yard and a coal shed near the railway station — upon my recommendation of
the suggestion of the warden, pro tem, is as good a disposal of that useless structure
as could be made.

The farm, according to the showing of the warden, pro tern, has been very much
extended as to the area under cultivation. When he took charge only 45 acres were
tilled. His report states that 89 acres yielded crops in 1891-92 and that 123 acres
will be ready for next year's operations.

The idea of the warden pro tern of feeding about 100 hogs, on the produce of the
farm, for prison use, is a good one, and will, doubtless effect the saving which he
points out. He expected to butcher five tons of pork this last autumn.

Upon the report of the warden pro tern and my recommendation you authorized
the wire fencing of the penitentiary land, except a small opening near Stony
Mountain Village.

I fully concur with the Warden pro tern in his recommendation not to allow the
roadway through the Reserve, asked for by the Municipality of Eockwood, at the
expense of*' 12 acres of our best farm land." Mr. Foster's explanation, coupled with
my own knowledge of the locality and its wants lead me to recommend that the
right of way, which would entail serious disadvantages and inconvenience be not
allowed without a further report on the matter.

The Warden, pro tern, took salutary precautions with regard to the drainage, the
cesspool and the very objectionable surroundings of the slaughter house. These
were well calculated to breed disease of a dangerous nature.

"The removal of the insane at an early date, will be a step in the right direc-
tion," Mr. Foster says, I agree with him. These afflicted people cannot be treated,
as their condition requires, in close connection with convicts and penal surroundings.
Even convict lunatics, should, if possible, be relieved from all association with their
former companions in crime.

I beg leave to suggest that some improvement be made in the Warden's
residence. To keep it up, properly, would require a much larger salary than is

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allowed. The removing of a storey, if it can be done, would, I think, be an im-
provement. The house is in an exposed situation, and the beating of it is very-
expensive.. Apart from this important item, the salary of the Warden is not suffi-
cient to meet the expense of its proper equipment. I recommend that such altera-
tions be made as will enable the Warden to occupy the house without causing too
great a strain on his pecuniary resources. Referring to my minutes I find thai the
Warden pro tern informed me that this house is unsafe. If this prove true it may be
necessary to take it down when it could be rebuilt on a better and more economic
plan.

The Protestant Chaplain states that the conduct of his convicts " has been all
that could be desired," with one exception. This is a negro who is grossly ignorant,
obstinate and very bad tempered. Being a powerful fellow, it is dangerous to trust
him among the other convicts and guards, as he is as treacherous as he is violent.
It may be advisable to transfer him to Kingston where he could be placed under
restraint as a lunatic, if necessary. The school and library, the Chaplain says, " con-
tinue to do most useful work."

I have to dissent from the chaplain's suggestion as to the mode of ascertaining
the religious persuasion of convicts by " the Judge or Sheriff." This should be done
by the proper officer, at the penitentiary, upon admission. Should any doubt or
dispute arise concerning the religion of a convict the matter can be investigated by
the warden, in presence of both chaplains, and reported upon, if necessary, for
the information and decision of the Minister. It seems strange to have any difficulty
or misunderstanding occur on this point, since every convict has full liberty to make
choice of the chapel, where he intends to worship, upon entering the prison, and
such choice ought, under the Eules, be final and preclude all interference on the
part of any officer. There is no trouble, on this score, at any other penitentiary.

The Catholic Chaplain, at the end of the year, had 25 convicts under his charge.
He says, — " In a general way those I had have given me satisfaction."

The Surgeon has no cases of severe illness, no accidents of a serious nature, and
no deaths to report. He has nothing specially important to mention.

Colonel Irvine has been appointed Warden vice Mr. S. L. Bedson, deceased. Mr.
D. D. Bourke, late Schoolmaster and Hospital Overseer, has succeeded Mr. M. D. O.
McDonell as Deputy Warden.

British Columbia Penitentiary.

The conduct of the prisoners is reported, by the warden, to have been good
and to have given satisfaction, one convict excepted. This man is thoroughly
depraved and wicked, and hails from the States. It is wrong that such hardened
and unscrupulous villains, as he is, should be let loose upon society at the expiration
of a comparatively short sentence. For these characters the Prison of Isolation,
coupled with the indeterminate sentence system, would be just the remedy.

The Warden calls attention to the defective character of the water supply.
Pursuant to my report, you have seen fit to authorize the negotiation of a contract
with the Water Works Commissioners, of New Westminster, to furnish the peniten-
tiary. The terms are favourable and include fire service, water for the farm-yard,
garden and the officers' quarters. Tenders for the pipe and plumbing have been
called for and* the award of the contract has been made. The water is pronounced

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to be of superior quality, from the Coquitlam lake, and will be abundant and unfail-
ing as long as required.

The Corporation of New Westminster made application for fifteen feet of ground,
in front of the Warden's residence, for the purpose of widening the public road
running from the City to Sappert'on and Port Moody. This has been allowed on con-
dition that the grade of the road be raised and a retaining wall built from the
wooden bridge over the creek, running out of the ravine, to the entrance gate to the
Warden's grounds. A similar wall is to be built, by the Corporation, at the foot of
the embankment upon which the officers' quarters stand. If this work be properly
and substantially done the G-overnment property will be greatly improved.

A new wharf, for the use of the prison, has been constructed, It is strongly
and solidly built. A shed upon it will be necessaty for coal, lumber, &c, and can be
put up by convict labour.

The small wharf and shed, directly opposite the entrance to the penitentiary,
have not been removed. It is objectionable to have these structures so near to
places where the convicts work, and to have small boats moored to them. By the
aid of confederates and these boats escapes could be easily effected. The Warden has
been instructed to carry out the provisions of the Act by clearing away the tres-
passers from all parts of the penitentiary reserve.

It is proposed to heat the prison with hot water, and an appropriation of $5,875
was made for that purpose, last Session. Tenders have been invited and the work
will be done at considerably less cost than was estimated.

The guards' quarters are in good repair, but baths are much needed. These can
be put in at comparatively small expense. I recommend that they be allowed.

The crops have been very good. The land is skilfully handled as regards
manuring, draining, rotation of crops and thorough cultivation. This is shown by
the fact that there is no expenditure for potatoes or other vegetables or forage
incurred here.

The trades carried on are tailoring, shoemaking, carpentry, blacksmithing and
baking, which give employment to about 30 convicts. The other prisoners are
engaged upon the necessary domestic work of the prison, and at outside labour such
as farming, clearing the land, gardening and general improvements on the reserve.

Several Indians and Chinamen work in the tailor shop and become \evy good
tradesmen. The work done in the shoe shop is of superior quality, the Instructor
taking great pains with his men. The output is greater than is required for the use
of the prison. I recommend that authority be given to dispose of the surplus to out-
side customers, at trade prices. This is so comparatively limited that it cannot
affect the regular dealers. Even at the risk of doing this, I consider it necessary to
urge the advisability of placing on the market the proceeds of convict labour, as
well to create revenue as to afford the prisoners the means of learning trades.

A number of officers are obliged to pay rent for the houses they occupy, ten
only having been built by the Government for married men. I recommend that
those who cannot be accommodated with lodgings be granted an allowance for rent
in order that they be placed on the same footing with the men who have free houses

Department of Justice.

In an ad interim report from the Protestant Chaplain, he makes object ion to con-
victs attending the Church of England service, provided, gratuitously, by Bishop
Sillitoo. There is no just ground for this complaint. The same arrangement would
be carried out, under similar circumstances, in each of the other penitentiaries) that
is to say, were clergymen of the different denominations to volunteer their services
and were accommodation available at the appointed hours for religious exerci
The principle of permitting convicts to attend the worship of the church to which
they belong has always been recognized by the Minister of Justice. The obstacles
in the way, heretofore, have been the lack of clergymen to offer their services, in
conformity with the prison hours and rules. The protest of the Chaplain, therefore,
in view of the usage establised by the former Board of Directors, and which has been
confirmed by successive Ministers of Justice, is inopportune and not in order.

The Chaplain reports 43 convicts remaining in his care, at the end of the year,
of whom 20 were Chinese, 3 Indians, 2 negroes and one half-breed, with 17 white
men. "The conduct of the prisoners, while attending Divine tervice has," he says,
" been very good."

The Catholic chaplain has had 23 convicts under his charge. Their general con-
duct, he states, "leaves little to be desired." He regrets that the accommodation
for those attending school is not better. As at Dorchester, the school is held in the
fla«: passage of the cell wing. At present nothing better can be provided, but when
the new Chapels come to be built this want can be met. The choir is making satis-
factory progress. Father Morgan also suggests that " the organist's remuneration
is hardly commensurate with the labour involved and the time taken up."

The Surgeon reports the health of the convicts to have been very good. It is
fortunate the penitentiary escaped ihe small-pox which made its appearance in
several places throughout the province. He says, — "The hospital overseer, Mr.
Carroll, continues to discharge his duties in a most satisfactory manner."

The school, under Mr. Keary, accountant, is conducted with the same careful
attention and competency as in former years. The schoolmaster's task is a difficult
one, requiring great patience and labour owing to the mixed races among the pupils.
Withal his success in bringing them on is remarkable. Chinese, Indians and Italians,
entirely ignorant of English, learn to read, write and cypher, very well, in a wonder-
fully short time. Of those attending the school the Catholic chaplain says, — " their
patience and assiduous attention to study certainly deserve praise."

It is very probable that a change in the Wardenship will be necessary, on
account of the ill-health of the present incumbent. Mi-. McBride entered the Colonial
service, as Governor of the Victoria Gaol, in 1864. This gaol answered, also the
purpose of a penitentiary, and a number of convicts — having long sentences, one a
life man — were transferred from it, in 1878, to the penitentiary at New Westminster
of which Mr. McBride was appointed Warden in June of that year.

Regina G'aol. .
This prison was opened nearly two years ago, for the accommodation of persons
undergoing sentences, up to two years, from the North-west Territories.

The gaoler, Mr. A. L. Lunan, has proved himself vevy competent for the posi-
sition. Mrs. Lunan is matron. The other members of the staff are an assistant
gaoler, an engineer, a stoker and three turnkeys.

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The following is the return of the prisoners admitted and discharged, during
fiscal year, 1891-92 :—

Males. Females. Total.

Eemaining 30th June, 1891 8 1 9

Received since do 52 5 57

60 6 66

Discharged since 30th June, 1891 43 6 49

Eemaining 30th June, 1892 17 0 17

Daily average 17.

Xo deaths occurred since the opening of the gaol.

The expenditure for the last financial year, was as follows : —

Salaries $ 2,999 50

Rations 1/241 30

Prison clothing and officers' uniform 1,617 22

Prison furnishing 4,825 29

Total 10,683 31

In the beginning the employe's, with the exception of the assistant gaoler and
day engineer, performed their duties in a perfunctory and half-hearted fashion, and
did not show their superior officer the respect to which he is entitled by his position.
Upon being given to understand that their places could be readily filled, if they did
not conform to discipline and rule, they accommodated themselves to the require-
ments of their respective lines of duty and they now give satisfaction.

The water supply is very defective and precarious. Two wells sunk by the
Department of Public Works, are of no use. One has run dry altogether; the other
contains only surface water unfit for drinking or cooking. The well, now dry, had
been yielding a fair quantity when the employe's of the Public Works Department
undertook to deepen the bore. Tbey succeeded in spoiling the well effectually. The
water, in Pile of Bones Creek, which has been pumped up to the prison, for all
domestic purposes, was run off in view of repairing the dam. This was done with-
out any notice having been given to the gaoler, and at the almost certain risk of
leaving the prison without water for the winter. Something must be done to pro-
vide a perennial supply of good pure water for cooking and drinking. Nodoubt,in
the spring, there will be abundance of soft water from the creek.

A portion of the land outside the gaol wall should be fenced in so that the
prisoners could have employment in tilling it. A good supply of potatoes and other
vegetables required for the gaol can be produced. There should be also a fence in
front of the gaol to keep off trespassers. I instructed the gaoler to submit for your
approval, an item in the next estimates for barbed wire and posts.

" The conduct of the prisoners, all round," the gaoler informs me, "is good."
They were all kept employed, though it has been found difficult to provide work for
them. The gaoler also tells me that the officers of the North-west Mounted Police,
being justices of the peace, commit the best working men, among the prisoners who
are brought before them, to the barrack prisons and send the useless and worn out
characters to the gaol. This does not appear to be right or fair to an institution
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men, capable of working, when well directed. I mention this matter for your
consideration.

I recommended that a house be elected, as soon ;»s possible, for the assistant
gaoler, which met your approval.

In order to carry on farming operations, an item will he required in (he
estimates to buy a yoke of oxen, a plough, a couple of harrows and other agricul-
tural implements.

The manner in which the gaol is managed, its cleanliness and the good conduct
maintained among the prisoners are creditable and satisfactory.

The drainage is, now, good. The pit or reservoir for its discharge, and the
cistern carts which I sent from Kingston for emptying it work admirably. Not the
slightest bad odour is felt about the sewage tank. The same cannot be said of the
ill-equipped and defective closets put in by the Department of Public Works.

I beg leave to reiterate my sincere acknowledgments for your uniform prompt
attention to the affairs of the several penitentiaries, which I have had occasion to
bring before you, since rendering my last report.

I have the honour to be, sir.

Your obedient servant,

J. G. MOYLAN,
Inspector of Penitentiaries for the Dominion of Canada.
Department of Justice,

Penitentiary Branch,

Ottawa, 22nd December, 1892.

xxm

Department of Justice.

KINGSTON PENITENTIARY.

No. 1.

REPORT OF THE WARDEN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 30th

JUNE, 1892.

Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit the annual report of this penitentiary for
the year ended 30th June, 1892.

The number of convicts remaining 30th June, 1891, was 586

Received since from jails 110

do do other penitentiaries 6

116

702

Discharged by expiration of sentence 123

do pardon « 34

do death , 9

do escape 2

Sent to lunatic asylum 2

170

Remaining on the 30th June, 1892 532

In the distribution of the convicts, variety of work is secured, and the require-
ments of the institution met in all its departments.

The industry of the convicts is good, more marked when engaged in mechanical
work than in other employments, showing a growing desire for work that will be
useful to them when discharged.

I have tried as far as possible to meet this preference in view of the motive, and
would gladly extend or vary these industries, if present conditions in employment of
convict labour were not so limited.

Present and prospective improvements in buildings will doubtless, for some time
to come, draw largely upon the men available for such work, and probably at the
proper time, provision will be made, apart from building operations, for carrying on
other industries in the prison of isolation, now nearing completion.

The water tower will be covered in before wiuter, and the prison of isolation
ready for occupation early in the spring.

The mill is being dismantled, and when the machinery is removed, work on the
new bakery will be commenced.

The other changes ordered will be pushed as rapidly as possible, many of which
will give employment suitable for winter work. The prison of isolation affords
accommodation for 118 prisoners. This being a new departure, specia,l rules for its
government, and industries suitable for cell work, are no doubt being considered, in
view of utilizing this building at the earliest moment.

It is to be hoped that the anticipated benefits arising from the classification of
prisoners in this department may be realized.

The discipline has been well maintained, and the conduct of the prisoners has in
a marked manner improved. Fewer reports, and most of these not serious, are
presented, a more ready disposition to obedience and a better appreciation of privi-
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

leges are manifest. I am satisfied that when the classification intended by the
Prison of Isolation is made, by the separation of the troublesome class from the
others, much more good will be accomplished. I cannot emphasize too strongly the
importance of this course, when apart from disciplinary advantages, the deterrent
effect of isolation upon repeaters cannot be but beneficial. The number of reeom-
mitals, I am glad to state, is less than last year. We have still coming in a large
number of young men under thirty years of age, about 58 per cent, and nearly 11
per cent of the whole population under twenty years of age. These facts need no
comment from me; they are understood and appreciated by the department at all
events.

Jn referring to the table of distribution of convicts, it will be seen that a system-
atic classification of work is pursued. These several departments are, I am pleased
to state, intelligently and carefully supervised.

Two successful escapes were made during the year, particulars of which were
reported to you at the time.

The consolidation of the libraries has been successfully completed, and with the
improved facilities for circulation, much confusion will be avoided.

During the year unfavourable criticism as to our sanitary condition, and the
effect of our sewage upon the health of the city of Kingston were made; investiga-
tion has proved our excellent sanitary condition, and the minimum of danger from
our sewage; nevertheless, the possible danger to our. water supply from sewage
other than our own will require to be looked after.

The decision reached to erect a female prison renders it unnecessary for me to
mention again the unsuitableness of our present quarters. It does not come too
soon. The same applies to our " insane ward." Humane considerations lead to the
hope of early completion of these structures, and I have no doubt, from the thought
already given them, they will be found well adapted for the purposes designed.

Within the past few years much has been accomplished in developing appliances
worthy of such an institution as this; our domestic system, as I might term it, is in
excellent operation. The departments in charge ot the superintendent of works
and the engineer have been tending rapidly to greater efficiency, and with the com-
pletion of our water system, will place us second to none in all that is required for a
public institution of this kind.

All the labour has been done by convicts, and the work performed is of a char-
acter inviting commendation.

Society demands protection by depriving the criminal of his place in it, should
it not favour and also require that while the prisoner remains a ward of the State,
every means should be adopted to enable him to resume with safety when liberated
the place he forfeited ?

Therefore, all that has been and is proposed to be done here, will be found in
the line tending to such humanizing effort without in any proper sense derogating
from the merited punishment due to crime.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

M. LAVELL,

Warden.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

J nspector of Penitentiaries,
Ottawa.

Department of Justice.

No. 2.
Per Capita cost of Convicts, Kingston Penitentiary, for the year 1891-92.

Daily Average 562

Names

"Salaries. . . . .

Gratuity on retirement

Officers' uniforms

Rations.'. ...

Convict clothing ,

do travelling allowance .

do discharge clothing. .

Bedding

Interments

Chapels

Library

Escapes

Hospital

Officers' mess

Heating

Light

Repairs to buildings

Maintenance of machinery . .

Armoury

Kitchen

Stationery

Farm

Stables

Maintenance of buildings. . .

Industries

Prison furnishing.

Telegrams

Postage stamps

Freight charges.

Express charges .

Advertising

Telephone

Travelling expenses

Magistrate fee : .

X OS

54,665

1,228

2,979

24,921

6,083

1,820

2,132

1,650

532

216

137

934

1,964

11,046

5,755

4,366

1,237

744

826

1,075

234

12,935

323

660

' 25

159

401

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80
30
83
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13
61
80
78
35
08
38
85
70
80
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86
86
79

70
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63
85
71
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78
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$ cts.

566 00

423 85

2,153 07

327 21
1,155 60

78 66

cts.

2,413 40

24,497 30

3,930 73

1,805 62
494 43

856 12

8,425 13 4,510 73

'$ ' cts,

630 38

823 63

,3,839 70

288 97
722 00

71 25

995 43

$ cts .

54,665 27

1,228 57

3,043 78

25,320 93

7,770 43

1,820 30

2,094 59

1,210 43

8 00

532 13

216 61

137 80

927 37

1,964 35

11,046 08

5,755 38

4,366 85

1,237 70

58 80

744 12

826 01

1,075 30

234 86

5,506 16

323 79

660 01

27 76

76 00

52 63

25 85

159 71

90 00

401 78

12 00

•s cts.

237 80i

Per capita cost $237 80^

Deduct for revenue 6 40§

Actual cost , $231 39|

Or, per diem per convict $ 0 63f ^

S. W. SCOBELL,

Accountant.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 3.
EEPOET OF THE PEOTESTANT CHAPLAIN.

Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

gIR> — ln presenting ray report for the year 1891-92, I have to state that the
duties have been duly performed.

I would wish to express my obligation to the Eev. Canon Fulton, Chaplain of
St. Vincent de Paul, for his kind advice and assistance in securing proper specifica-
tions for the new organ about to be erected in the chapel.

In the schools the system -of convict monitors seems to work very well, better
than I anticipated.

In the library, the two libraries have been amalgamated, the religious works
being retained separately in their respective chapels. My portion consists of 234
volumes, and some sixty-seven men have drawn on them.

During the year a number of fever cases occurred in the hospital, with unhappily
some deaths, in spite of the care and attention bestowed on them by the surgeon and
the hospital overseer.

I am, sir, yours respectfully,

C. E. CAETWEIGHT,

Protestant Chaplain.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries,
Ottawa.

No. -A.
EEPOET OF THE CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN.

Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — I beg to forward you my report for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

I am happy to say I have not one disagreeable fact to record. My duties as
chaplain are rendered pleasing and light by the ever-solicitous regard and cheerful
assistance of the officers, one and all. The convicts also give me no unnecessary
trouble. They are always respectful in and out of the chapel, and their constant
attention to the instructions so often addressed to them shows their desire to
become acquainted with the truths of our holy religion. Their becoming and
reverential manner during mass and benediction with the most blessed sacrament
is always most marked, and I might even add edifying. They attend to their reli-
gious duties most faithful^, and all, with some few exceptions, fulfilled the church's
obligation of confession and communion during the Easter time. This, in my
opinion, is greatly due to the zeal of the Oblate Fathers who so ably conducted the
missions of our diocese during last fall and spring. Whilst giving the mission in
the cathedral they found time to visit the penitentiary to preach there and hear the
confessions of all who might wish to approach the sacraments. The result was very
pleasing. Many who had not been to confession for years yielded through means of

-pecial grace and made their peace with God.

After the mission 1 asked those men who for want of opportunity or through
1 had never been confirmed or been to Holy Communion to form themselves
i class for qpecial instruclion. The result surprised me. I found there were
over twenty men and three women who had never received the grace of confirma-
tion, and ten of them had never been to communion. Since the formation of the
class, last December, we have had an addition of four more in the same pitiable
condition.

Department of Justice.

The amalgamation of the libraries has admirably succeeded in its purpose as
far as m}' department is concerned. All books not treating of religious subjects
were removed from our chapel library. This has had the effect of deepening the
men's reverence for that holy place, as a place set apart entirely for God and our
duties towards him.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

JAMES Y1NCENT NEVILLE,

Acting Chaplain.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries,
Ottawa.

No. 5.
EEPOET OF THE SUEGEON.

Portsmouth, Ont., 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour, once more, to present my report, this time for the year
ended 30tb June, 1892.

This prison was never in a more favourable position, as regards its hygienic con-
dition, than at present, and the health of the convicts, on the whole, has been good;
and although the number of admissions into the hospital last year exceeded those
of the previous one by 63 (owing to an epidemic of "la grippe"), yet, the mortality
has not been greater than in 1890-91.

When we consider the ages of some of those who have departed this life hero
since my last report, the thought must arise unless these prisoners had been well
cared for by the authorities of the prison death would have claimed them long
before, and I can safely say, without fear of contradiction, that none are better looked
after than the inmates of this institution. Their food is wholesome and sufficient,
their clothing, warm and comfortable in winter, cool in summer, their work not more
laborious than labouring men outside are accustomed to, their hours both for retiring
and rising early ; the dormitory and workshops well ventilated; thay have books
with which to occupy their minds when in their cells, and were it not for the small-
ness of these cells more comforts at night than the majority of men of their class
have out&ide these walls.

Among the list of deaths, you will observe, two have died beyond the age of 80,
both life prisoners, one from the female, the other from the insane ward. Two deaths
occurred from phthisis; one of those who died from this cause had been in the
hospital more than nineteen months; two from pneumonia, one over 80 years of age,
the other was a helpless case when received into hospital, and was, as the deputy
warden remarked, dying on his feet in the yard. He only lived five days after having
been admitted. One of those who died from typhoid fever had been a very dissipated
character before he came into prison, and his constitution having been broken down
by his former habits of life, he succumbed to the disease in a few days.

The number received into hospital during tho last twelve months was 283, and

9 remained on 30th June, 1892.

The number of prescriptions during the past year independent of those for
hospital patients amounted to 2,401 for the male and 328 for the female prisoners; so
you can easily imagine from the above that a convict, here, sutfering from the
slightest ailment is attended to at once.

We have at the present time old men who will not, in my opinion, live to com-
plete their terms of imprisonment. One over 70 whose sentence will not expire for

10 years, another 78 years old, a very feeble man, who was sentenced for live years,
some 21 months since, and who was in hospital the greater part of last winter and
spring ; a third, feeble and weak-minded.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

Eleven under the age of 20 have been received here since my last report, and.
only one over 74, a more favourable showing than in 1890-91.

We have not been visited with any. epidemic with the exception of " la grippe."
Last year in my report I mentioned the great benefit we had derived from the
use of ferrometers in rendering the drains almost free from noxious gases. Nine
more of these ferrometers are to be placed in other buildings, to connect with other
drains, in order to bring the danger of any disease arising from impurities from the
sewers to a minimum. ■ -

Insane Ward.

The number in this ward at present is 27. In the year just ended there have
been admitted, 8; discharged, cured, 3; improved sufficiently to resume work, 2;
transferred to a provincial asylum, 1; died, 2. The majority of those remaining are
incurable, mentally. Some few, however, show slight symptoms of improvement,
and I hope before long to be able to send them to work in the yard.

Female Department.

Things would run much more smoothly here were we not obliged to keep in the
ward people of unsound mind. At present we have two ssuch. We have no proper
place in which to confine these unfortunate creatures, and those whose minds are
not affected, and who will not believe that those mentally disordered are so, become
very exasperated from being disturbed at night by the noises they make. This
causes a great deal of trouble to the matron and deputy matron and renders it almost
impossible to prevent the sane female prisoners from repeatedly violating the rules'
of the institution.

A number of accidents occurred this last year. The serious ones, requiring
hospital treatment for any length of time, were the following: compound comrai-
nuted fracture of the femur; fraeture of the humerus; injury to left eye, in conse-
quence of which the convict who met with this accident lost the little sight he had
remaining in that eye when he was received into prison ; contused wound of scalp.

Many of the guards have been ailing during the year; no less than 626 pre-
scriptions have been dispensed for them in that time.

The tables appended show the number treated in hospital, and the nature of the
diseases for which they were treated.

Mr. Gunn, the hospital overseer, continues to .^charge his duties in a very
satisfactory manner.

I have the honour to be, sir.

Your obedient servant,

O. S. STRANGE,
Surgeon, Kingston Penitentiary.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

Department of Justice.

, tfo. 6.

KINGSTON PENITENTIARY.
Annual Return of Sick treated in Hospital, from 1st July, 1891, to 30th June, 1892.

Disease.

Admitted.

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Remarks.

3
4

Boils

Bronchitis, acute and chronic

2
1
4

1
4

2
1
4

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Colic

......

1
4
2
4
1
5
7

13
16

1
6

2
4
1
5

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13
16
1
6
1
4
2
•4
1
5
6

.....

Contusion ,

Cystitis ...

do simplex

Debility

Dysentery

Epilepsy

Erysipelas

Febricula

Fever, intermittent

do typhoid . ,

Fistula in ano.

I racture C. C

1
1

1
1
1

do humerus

Oelatio

Hemicrania

1
1
1
1
2
6
1

1
1
1
1
2
G
1

1
1
1
1
2
6
1

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Hemoptysis

Herpes Zoster

Hernia

Hysteria

Hsemophilea

Haematemesis

Hemorrhoids

1
1
1
1
2

58
5
2
4
1
9
1
1
1
4
2
1
1

18
1
1
2
3

1
1
1
1
2

58
5
3
4
1
9
1
1
1
5
2
2
1

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1
1
2
3

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1
1
1
2

58
5
2
4
1
9
1
1
1
2
1
1
1

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Injury to eye

Inserting bottle in rectum

Indigestion

Influenza (la grippe)

Lumbago

Malingering

Neuralgia

Otalgia

Ophthalmia

Peritonitis

Parotites

Purpura

Phthisis

Pneumonia

do chronic

Pleuritis

Rheumatism

Senile decay

Sciatica '.

2
3

^Insane.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 6.

KINGSTON PENITENTIAKY.

Annual Eeturn of Sick treated in Hospital, &c. — Concluded.

A. 1893

Disease.

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1
be

Remarks.

Stricture

Scrofula

1
1

2
1

Torticollis

Ulcers

TJraemic convulsions

7
1

1
7
1

1
6
1

Whitlow

Total

283

292

275

Kingston Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

O. S. STEANGE, M.D.,

Surgeon, Kingston Penitentiary.

Department of Justice.

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No. 9.

Annual Eeturn of Criminal Insane Convicts in the Insane Asylum, in connection
■with the above Penitentiary, from 1st July, 1891, to 30th June, 1892.

Distribution.

Male.

Female.

Total.

27
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O. S. STEANGE, M.D.,

Surgeon, Kingston Penitentiary.

Kingston Penitentiary,

Insane Asylum, 1st July, 1892.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 10.

INSANE WARD, KINGSTON PENITENTIARY.

Nominal Roll of Convicts admitted into the Insane Ward of the above Institution
between the 1st July, 1891, and 30th June, 1892.

Name.

Date of admission.

From
whence
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disposed

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July 8, '91

Sep. 10, '91
Dec, 30, '91
do 31, '91
Jan. 11, '92
Feb. 9, '92
May 16, '92
Mar. 16, '92
Jun. 7, '92

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for safety.

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Gilbaut, Octave

Slight improvement.

4
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Johnston, George

Harrison, Valentine

Berrill, George

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Andrews, William

Berrill, George

No improvement.

Thomas, Charles

Total

O. S. STRANGE, M.D.,

Surgeon, Kingston Penitentiary.

No. 11.
REPORT OF THE MATRON.

Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir. — I herewith submit my annual report of the work performed in the female
department of this penitentiary.

During the past year there were 1 death, 2 pardons, 3 discharges, 8 received,
leaving 26 at present.

I am, sir,
Your obedient servant,

R. A. FAHEY,

Matron.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries

Department of Justice.

No. 12.
.Return of Work done in Female Department for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

No. of

Articles.

131

203

228

333

1060

173

208

141

701

508

156

Work done.

Equal to
Days.

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Cotton shirts

Pillowslips

Sheets

Towels

Handkerchiefs

Pairs mitts

Pairs socks

Pairs sleeves

Pairs drawers

Flannel shirts

Surplices ' ,

Making carpet

Female Prison.

Sewing and knitting, house work, washing
cooking

Government Contract.
Flannel shirts

131

203

167

189

208

141

701

508

3,285

156

Rate
per
Day.

Cents.

30
30
30
30
30
30
30
30
30
30
30
30
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60 90

11 40

50 10

26 40

4 50

26 70

62 40

42 30

210 30

152 40

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Total.

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1,015 00

46 80

1,748 50

No. 13.

E. A. FAHEY,

Matron.

REPOKT OF THE SCHOOLMASTER

Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report of the school in this peniten-
tiary for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

The conduct of the men and progress made has been very satisfactory. Number
of scholars on roll 98, with an average daily attendance of 90. The branches taught
are reading, writing, spelling and elementary arithmetic. Those who attend school
appear to fully appreciate the privilege extended to thern. Many thanks are due
the warden for the interest he has taken in this department, also to the chaplains
and assistant teachers for their zeal in the cause of education.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. B. P. MATHEWSON,

Schoolmaster.

J. Gr. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

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Department of Justice.

No. 15.

Statement of the Movements of Convicts at the Kingston Penitentiary for the
Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Description.

Male.

Female.

Total.

Male.

Female.

Total.

502
108

Received since : —

108

2
0

110
6

580

From other penitentiaries

121

8
1

110

2
2

123

Discharged since : —

070
104

, 6

702

Death

Sent to asylum

170

Remaining- at midnight of the 30th June, 1892

50G

532

No. 16.

List of Convicts who have been pardoned out of the Kingston Penitentiary during
the Year ended the 30th June, 1892.

No.

Name.

William Hayes.
Mortimer Schell.
Frederick Jarvis

4 Nellie Taylor

5 James Ogelvie

6 Edgar Teadman

7 i Harry Horsey. ....

8 jMaude Stephenson. .

9 ; Henry Harding

10 J Victor Milburn

11 'James Washington. .

12 William Baldwin...

13 Clove Baldwin

14 (Alexander Newman.

15 iRobert Murphy

10 [Edward Cardo

17 Charles Carey.

18 Arthur P. Davis....

19 Geo. Catellier,

20 S. L. Hollingsworth.

21 E. H. Hayes

22 Duncan Currie

23 John Lamb

24 William Buckley ... .

25 Christie Carter

20 Arthur Pinel

27 William Jones

28 John Grey

29 Wm. Minnhinick . . .

30 Thomas Agget

31 Timothy Depew

32 Joseph Gigg

33 |Chas. H. Brown....
Henry Sare

Crime.

Rape

Larceny

Shopbreaking and larceny
Larcenv

do *

Burglary

Arson

Larceny

Murder

Forgery

Post office robbery

Larceny

Arson

Manslaughter

Rape

Murder

Post office robbery

do do

Larceny

Larceny and burglary. . . .

Rape

Larceny

Post office robbery

Larceny

Murder

Robbery

Arson

Forgery

Burglary

Place.

idG.

York.

Bruce.

Waterloo.

Westmoreland.

York.

Stormont, D. a

Frontenac.

Annapolis.

Essex.

Peterborough.

Essex.

Victoria.

do
Frontenac.
Quebec.
York.
Perth.
York.
Carleton.

do
Bruce.
Norfolk.
Quebec.
Carleton.
York.
Bruce.
Elgin.

Stormont, D. and G.

Wentworth.

Ontario.

Kent.

Middlesex.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)
No. 17.

A. 1893

Eeturn of Convicts who have died in the Kingston Penitentiary during the Year

ended 30th June, 1892.

No.

Name.

Crime.

Place.

Murder

Leeds and Grenville.

Halton.

Accessory to murder

Terrebonne.

Burglary

York.

Walter Coad

Larceny and horse-stealing

do receiving

Doing grievous bodily harm

Larceny

Simcoe.

Wm. Marshall

Went worth.

York.

Peter Connors

Rape

Perth.

No. 18.

Eeturn of Convicts recommitted to the Kingston Penitentiary for the Year ended

30th June, 1892.

No.

Name.

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Elizabeth Phelan

Michael Callaghan

Richard Harris

Thomas Johnston

George Clark

1
1
1
1
1

Stanley McFarlane

James Collins

John Ross

Amedee Paquette

John Stoddard

1
1

1
1
1
1
1
1

George Murray

1 >avid Dunlop

( reorge Stone

James Clark

Frank Ryan

Edward ( ringras

Frank Churchill

( !harles McGee

Thos. Spellman

Department of Justice.

No. 19.

Summary of Punishments awarded at the Kingston Penitentiary for the Year ended

30th June, 1892.

Months.

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July ...

28
27

4
15

2
7
3
8

3
2

9
2

2
2

1892.
January

1
1

2
1

'"i"

April

May . .

No. 20.

Return showing the Remission of Sentence earned by Convicts discharged from
the Kingston Penitentiary during the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

No. of

Men.

Days.

Men.

Days.

Men.

Days.

Men.

Days.

143

174

362

145

175

365

146

178

499

150

180

534

151

230

535

93-

156

263

536

157

269

546

101

159

270

623

108

160

313

801

124

165

318

810

132

I 166

326

820

133

167

352

822

136

168

353

1,128

137

354

138

173

361

123

18—2

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 21.

A. 1893

Eeturn showing the value of Labour and number of Days' Work, exclusive of
Material, done in the Kingston Penitentiary during the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Various Departments.

Carpenter and trades department

Masons and stonecutters

Blacksmith and machine shops . . .

Tailor shop

Shoe shop

Female prison

Farm, stables, teamsters, &c

Bakery

Dining hall, kitchen, and library .
Wings and officers' mess room.. . .

Wash-house

Dry room

Grist mill

No. of
Days.

14,277

64,376

9,711

12,113

6,611

5,736

6,784

1,840

6,573

6,429

2,568

7,700

600

Value.

$ cts.

7,138 50
32,188 00
4,855 50
6,056 50
3,305 50
1,720 80
2,713 60

920 00
2,629 20
2,571 60
1,027 20
3,080 00

240 00

68,446 40

No. 22.

Eeturn showing the number of Volumes in the General Library of the Kingston
Penitentiary, the number of Convicts who have used books, number of volumes
issued during the Year and the number added.

—

Total.

Number of volumes at beginning of year

2,646
405

3,051
371

do prisoners using Library

do volumes issued

12,513

Department of Justice.

No. 23.

Statement of Expenditures and Eeceipts of the Kingston Penitentiary Flour Mill,
for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Description.

To 2,624£& bush, wheat

2,434§g do

724H do

M iller's salary

600 days' labour of two convicts .

30 tons coal

Oils, &c

By 2,820 bags of flour

26H&A tons of bran

K.l |f tons of shorts

Grinding for stable and farm .
Balance

Rate.

$ cts.

17*

17"
06

0 40
4 30

2 46

16 00

17 00

Debits

$ cts.

2,952 97

2,848 91

767 83

700 00

240 00

129 00

20 00

7,658 71

Credits.

$ cts.

6,937 20

425 00

147 42

30 00

119 09

7,658 71

O'CONNOK,

Miller.

No. 24.

Farm Account, Kingston Penitentiary, for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.
Dr. Cr.

Description.

Amount.

To Farm and garden seed. . . .

Manure

Sulphur

Ginger

Sulphuric acid

Saltpetre

Labour, 20 convicts

Salary, farm instructor . . .

do 2 guards

do 1 guard

2 span horses

2 teamsters

Pig feed from dining hall.
Balance

$ cts.

95 93

109 25

4 20

2 20

1 80

2,110 00

700 00

1,000 00

400 00

600 00

700 00

75 00

224 87

6,024 00

Description.

Rate.

By 90 tons hay ;

70 tons straw

900 bush, potatoes

1,500 do oats

400 do pease

1,100 do barley

200 do carrots

1,000 do beets.

600 do parsnips

52 do beans . ...

100 do tomatoes

50 do corn ,

237 do onions

600 do turnips

200 heads cauliflowers

3,000 do celery

5,000 do lettuce

15,000 do cabbage

400 doz.ears green corn, per doz

500 bunches herbs

12,000 lbs. pork

100 loads pumpkins

! cts.

8 00
5 00
0 40
0 35
0 70
0 50
0 40
0 40

0 50

1 00
0 50

0 50

1 00
0 30
0 10
0 03
0 01
0 05
0 10
0 05

0 07

1 00

Amount.

$ cts.

720 00

350 00

360 00

525 00

280 00

550 00

80 00

400 00

300 00

52 00

50 00

25 00

237 00

180 00

20 00

90 00

50 00

750 00

40 00

25 00

840 00

100 00

6,024 00

P. WOOD,
Farmer.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

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Department of Justice.

No. 26.
Details of Expenditure of Kingston Penitentiary for the year ending 30th June, 1892.

Staff Salaries.
Warden, M. La veil. . .

$ cts .

3,000 00

1,500 00

1,800 00

1,200 00

800 00

900 00

1,000 00

1,300 00

800 00

700 00

900 00

530 00

590 00

600 00

260 00
700 00
700 00
700 00

2,800 00
690 00

1,260 00
600 00

1,200 00
590 00
530 00

1,500 00

14,500 00

920 00

3,010 00

1,600 00

1,000 00
500 00
800 00
600 00

285 27

54,665 27

261 14
967 43

Un if onus, Officers' — Concluded.

Cement, bristles, boot polish and laces,

Beeswax, sweat bands, boot web and

shoe thread

s cts.

is 7:,

Deputy warden, William Sullivan

27 60

Accountant, S. W. Scobell

Nails, tacks, awls and eylets

7 98

Chaplain (Pro.), Rev. C. E. Cartwright
do (R.C.), Rev. J. S. Quinn

Art Journal, Book of Fashions, tailoring
department

10 00

Warden's clerk, Robert R. Creighton.

Mations.

Beef, 14,876 lbs. at $6.40 per ewt

Mutton, 6,358 lbs. at $7 per cwt

Sugar, 17,197 lbs. at 4|c

2,979 40

Chief instructor, James Adams

Engineer, James Devlin

Electrician, Charles Baylie

9,520 64

445 02

Steamfitter, Charles Munroe

752 37

Steward, James Weir

Tea, 3,595 lbs. at 20c.

Butter, 6,054 lbs. at 17c

719 00

Hospital overseer, Wm. A. Gunn

Schoolmaster, divided among 4 guards.
Messenger, M. J. Kennedy

1,029 18

Barley, 6,587 lbs. at 2^c. . .

164 68

Rice, 5,137 lbs. at 4c

205 48

Matron, Rose' Ann Fahey

Oatmeal, 692 lbs. at 2|c

19 03

Deputy matron, Mary Smith

Salt, 39,962 lbs. at ^c

Tobacco, 2,400 lbs. at 50c

199 81

Miller, P. O'Connor

1,200 00

Baker, Wm. Coward

Vinegar, 388 galls, at 14c

54 33

Farmer and gardener, Neil P. Wood.. .
Trade instructors, 4 at $700

Pepper, 420 lbs. at 10c

Fish, 3,1751bs

Wheat, 5,793 bush

42 00
131 00

do 1

do 2 at $630.

6,579 98
1,339 00

do 1

Keepers, 2 at $600

Bacon, 11,598 lbs ,

Potatoes, 3,428 bush

975 85
1,220 00

do 1

Beans, 43 bush

53 90

do 1

Pease, 39 bush . ,

13 85

do 3 at $500

Onions, 9 bush

10 38

Guards, 29 at $500

Malt, hops and yeast

58 47

do 2 at $460

51 30

do 7 at $430

31 40

do 4 at $400

104 48

Convicts'' Clothing.

Grey and checked cloth, 1,483 yds

Grey flannel, 2,211 yds

Stoker, 1 .'

24,921 15

Teamsters, 2 at $400

do 2 at $300

Supplementary guards during sickness
among the officers

710 02

885 85

Grey cloth, 2,769 yds

Moleskin, 904 yds

1,246 28
336 00

Gratu ities.

Forfar linen, 658 yds

141 32

Sarah Burke, sr

Crash lining, 1,160 yds

Silesia lining, 102 yds

Cotton, grey, 2,876 yds

126 00
11 97

Jeremiah O'Driscoll

229 74

Duck 560^ yds

96 10

1,228 57

Drilling, 2,474 yds

228 62

Uniforms, Officers'.

37 48

713 19

314 74

106 40

267 40

160 88

70 91

31 09

49 21

19 24

34 74

150 50

86 09

54 49

88 05

89 60
41 55

225 84
91 83
30 25

190 36
98 71

Print, 59 yds

9 08

Blue serge, 1,197| yds

Flannel, white, 25 yds

12 50

Worsted coating, 259 yds

Coating, 23 yds

15 20

Broadcloth, 28 yds .

Woollen yarn, 942 lbs. . .

394 15

Silesia and Italian cloth, 1,321 yds

Tweed and grey frieze cloth, 2364; yds. .
Print and Holland, 742 yds..

185 65

Woollen scarfs, mufflers and shawls. . . .

82 00
40 34

Twilled cotton and canvas, 268 yds

Doeskin, 31| yds

Needles, thimbles, tape measures and

137 16

Grey cotton and hair cloth, 193 yds

Merino and towels

Scissors, tailors' irons and benzine. . . .

49 81
33 67

Officers' gold crowned buttons. . .

15 25

do fur caps and hats

33 30

do braid

Leather, sole, 2,590 lbs. .

417 15

Machine and silk twist

51 89

Linen and cotton spools

86 35

W adding, buttons and hooks and eyes .

French and Canadian kip leather

Pebble and welt leather

Russets and kid skins

do upper

do calfskins

Brushes, bristles, cement and emery

straps

Sponges, ink, camphor, needles and
shoe thread

83 75
9 80

32 15

Sole leather, 1,029 lbs

23 10

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 26. — Details of Expenditure of Kingston Penitentiary, &c. — Continued.

Convicts' Clothing — Concluded.

Boot tree, sand-paper and wax

Knives, rasps and pegs

Xails, tacks, awls and leather boot laces
J. Cunningham , —

2 new sewing machines and repairing
old ones

Freight on cloth, &c

Convicts'1 Travelling Allowance.

1 convict

1 do

22 do $8.00.

6 do $9.00

56 do $10.00

3 do $11.00 ;..

33 do $12.00

1 do

20 do $15.00

9 do $20.00...*

2 do $25.00

1 do

Discharge Clothing.

$ cts.

26 16
17 25
61 30

160 62
56 79

4 00

5 00

6 00
176 00

54 00

560 00

33 00

300 00

12 30

14 00

300 00

180 00

50 00

30 00

1,820 30

Cloth, tweed, 1,472 yds

Cloth, Italian, 435 yds

Canvas, 1,000

Drilling, 708i yds

Cotton, white, 614 yds

Print, 468 vds

Holland, 149£ yds

Linen and cambric, 91 yds

Hats and caps

Underclothing

Shawls and bonnets, for women

Silesia, 657 yds

Cotton, grey, 121| yds

Wadding

Linen thread, twist, machine silk and

thread

Collars, braces and ties

Buttons, thimbles, &c

Woollen yarn, mufflers and socks

Leather, sole, 392 lbs

do Canadian and French kip,1001bs

do pebble and sheepskins

do welt

Boot laces, shoe thread and bristles. . . .

Bedding,

Blankets and rugs, 843. . .

Ticking, 1,262 yds

Sheeting, «S90| yds

Cotton, twilled, 615 yds. .

Needles and twine

Iron eyes and bolts

John Tinner & Co. —
1 wire weaving machine

Cha/peh.

Organ for Protestant chapel

( larpets, .'>7 ! yds

( landles, wax, :« Lbs

V. tinents, Sec., kc

885 03

114 92

80 00

78 77
66 23
26 39
21 53
14 08

150 63
157 00
14 50
65 70
10 23
25 00

123 40
35 81
25 92

79 34
76 02
48 00
13 32

8 50
12 51

2,132 83

1,215 65
189 37
SO 0.3
57 43
12 25
11 30

75 00

1,650 03

400 0©

39 38
13 95
50 16

Chapels — Concluded

Oil and wine, for communion
Incense, &c, &c. ..........

Dusters and covers

Oil-cloth and glue

Tuning organ, R. C. chapel

Interments.

Clothing and fittings of 4 convicts

Library.

Books for library

Duck for covering books, 20 yds. .
Drill do do 30 yds..
Glue do do

Escapes.

Officer's expenses in search of convict
Wm. McKay

Officer's expenses in search of convict
Manson.. i

Officer's expenses in search of convict
Ferguson ....

Donation to Toronto police

Hospital.

Milk, 1,395 galls at 16c

Hospital comforts

Sundries for 'Xmas dinner

Carpets, mats, baskets and d usters . . .

Turpentine, lard and soap

Crockery and rubber sheeting

Garth & Co., for copper boiler to bath

Medicine

Appliances and sundries

Officers' Mess.

Beef, 10,617 lbs. at $6.40 per cwt. . .
Mutton, 1,432 lbs. at $6.40 do ...

Butter, 1,617 lbs. at 17c

Sugar, 920 lbs. at 4§c

Tea, 160 lbs. at 20c

Bread, 6,080 lbs. at l^c

Flour, 1,300 lbs. at $2". 60 per cwt. . .

Potatoes, 294 bush, at 50c

Coffee, 160 lbs. at 40c

Fish, 1,670 lbs

Rice, 250 lbs

Milk, 964 galls.....

Raisins, currants, figs, tapioca and corn

starch

Spices, essences, assorted peels and

mustard

Eggs and apples

Crockery, and knives and forks

$ cts.

4 38

7 20

4 05

8 01

5 00

532 13

8 00

202 51

3 50

4 50
6 10

216 61

21 83

10 40

55 57
50 00

Heating.

Coal, egg, 2,063,&fo tons at $4.58

do soft, 100 tons at $4.70

do chestnut, 19£££# tons at $4.72. . . .

Wood, hard, 20(5,^ cords at $3.95

Castings

Repairs to boilers

137 80

223 90

16 10

9 53

21 28

22 70
11 83

129 83

413 53

86 08

934 78

679 48
91 75

274 21
40 25

32 00
91 20

33 80 II
147 00

84 00
140 67 I

10 00 j
154 24 (I

72 29

34 34 i!
53 52':
25 60;' i

1,064 35

0,448 88

470 001

04 10

816 33!

43 02}

20 00J

Department of Justice.

No. 26. — Details of Expenditure of Kingston Penitontiary, &c. — Continued.

Heating — Concluded.

Steam hose

Canada plate

Nozzles, flanges, elbows, &c., &c. . . .
Steel scoops, flue cleaners, and water
pan

Light.

Coal, e$g, 558^%% tons at $4.58

do od, 773 galls

Poison Iron Works, boiler

John Markam

J. Muckleston & Co

Perkins Electric Lamp Co

Toronto Construction Co

Gas oil, 3,200 galls

Fire-brick and clay

Elbows, T. , clamps, valves, sockets and
rings

Machine oil and boiler compound

Silk cord, lamps, reflectors, and rubber
tubing

Oil covers, flanges, sand-paper and saw-
dust

Candles and matches

Belting, files and copper

Castings and sockets

Repairs to Buildings.

Lumber

Iron, assorted

Machine and caststeel, 3,086 lbs

Castings, sheet iron, lowmoor iron and

galvanized iron

Nails, tacks, bolts, hinges and butts. . .

Screws, sheet lead, zinc and wire

Tools, carpenters', blacksmiths' and

tinsmiths'

Shovels, locks and keys, hoop iron and

sash fastening

Mixed paints for roofing.

White lead, varnish, shellac, &c

Glass, putty, whiting and ochre

Glue, sand-paper, chalk and fitches ....
Copperas, borax, solder and neatsfoot

oil

Blue, gold leaf, spongts, &c

Buckles, hooks and eyes, rules, &c

Drills, washers, alabastine, &c

Fire-clay, bricks and sand

Coal, blacksmith, 54 tons

Wood, soft, 157 cords

Cleaning drains

Cement, 82 brls .

Shingles and emery wheels

Boiled oil, 84 galls

Manilla rope and brushes

Maintenance of Machinery.

Packing and cotton waste

Flanges, elbows, globes, pipe and T . . .

Belting, lacing and oilers

Twist drills and wrenches

Repairs to boilers

Cashman chuck

Steam pump fittings

Copper and steel wire, files and knives.
Steam gauge, bolts and polish

> cts.

31 00
10 95
73 43

10 47

11,040 08

2,556 08
121 36
809 00
542 70
258 00
228 00
335 15
144 00
154 26

91 81
110 30

43 00

25 42

49 59

60 16

136 55

5,755 38

1,285 34
161 44
298 60

108 11
125 55
177 46

100 43

90 20
329 57
60 24
54 82
57 40

41 93

12 57
34 77
72 30
88 27

251 39

433 33
96 00

275 25
50 30
56 37

105 21

4,366 85

250 10
131 83
77 87
42 05
48 63
35 00
40 00
23 86
6 82

Maintenance of Machinery. — Con.

Patent drills, Swede iron and machine
steel

Twine and candle wick

Parker & Evans, machine oil and boiler
compound

John Markum, machinery

Armoury.

12,000 cartridges..
Cleaning fire-arms .

Kitchen.

Soap, 8,804 lbs. at 4c

Potash, 1,150 lbs

Borax, 230 lbs

Brooms, 40 doz. at $2.54

Starch and blue

Spoons, knives and forks

Goggles and spectacles

Brushes and combs

Meat cutter and potato pealer

Pots and kittles, locks and keys

8 boxes tin, at $6.75

Common soap and toilet, black lead..
Camphor, baskets, towels and shears

Stationery.

Subscriptions to papers . .
Cutting padding pads. . . .

Stationery account

Queen's Printer's account

Farm.

Seeds, flower, garden and farm

Manure

Tools and repairs

Implements (farm)

Sulphur, rope and axle grease

Flower pots

1 pump

Pigs ;

1 team working oxen ,

D. McEachran, V. SL—

Report on hog cholera

M. W. Sine, V. S.—

Attendance at piggery

Willow baskets

Plaster Paris and sulphuric acid

Bags, ginger and Paris green. . . .

Stables.

Harness, repairing, and leather..

Trimmings for carriages, &c.

Brushes, blacking and castor oil

Rim spokes, iron and needles

Whips, saddle gong and nails

Blankets, liniment and common soap
M. W. Sine, veterinary surgeon

$ cts.

10 IS
7 15

454 96
103 25

1,237 70

10 80
48 00

58 80

352 16
57 50
32 48

100 00
22 35
44 80
10 25
20 61

7 10

8 05
54 00
15 22
19 6tt

744 12

6 00

1 80

642 87

175 34

826 01

98 03

109 25

55 61

15 86

16 60
6 00

10 00
510 00
125 00

49 20

53 00

10 00
5 00

11 75

1,075 30

115 15
11 29
10 80
21 64
9 25
16 73
50 00

234 86

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 26. — Details of Expenditure of Kingston Penitentiary, &c. — Continued.

Maintenance of Buildings.

Iron, assorted

Nozzles, flanges, elbows, cocks, &c

Paints, varnish and black japan

White lead, turpentine, boiled and raw

oils

Nails, steel and common wire

Galvanized, lowmoor and sheet iron,

sheet zinc, &c

Drills, nuts, rivets and files

Malleable and other castings

Soil pipes and closets

Rope, fire-clay, crucibles and hair

plaster

Car bolts, screws, pig lead, cowl and

valves

Brushes, lumber and block tin

217 barrels cement

Frank Gormley, account

Garth & Co. do

W. H. Howlan&Co. do

E. R. Welch & Son do

Dalton & Strange do

James Vanader do

J. Muckleston & Co. .do

Edison Light Co. do

Robert George do

Miller Bros. do

Industries.

Powder and fuse

Machine and cast steel and iron

Chain, shovels and files

Rules, emery wheels and borax

Rivets, nails and coal oil

Lumber and hickory wood . /

Prison Furnishing.

Carpets, oil-cloth, mats and napkins

Type- writer

Flags, dusters, baskets, &c

Crockery, knives and forks, measures

and camel's hair

Cloth brushes, blacking and black lead.
Castile and toilet soap, sponges, &c. . . .
Twine, shears, sheet zinc and whisks . .

Copperas, Bcales, castors and rope

Locks, tacks, wire, sponges, &c

Snuff, trimmings, starch and blue

Mending clocks, packing cases, &c . . . .
Life belts and rubber

Miscellaneous.

Telegrams

Postage .iinl stamps
Freight charges. . . .
E v i 'i ess do

Advertising

Telephone

Magistrate's fee . . . .

$ cts.

601 78
287 56
262 92

190 07
227 03

127

139

152

44 77

143
221
237

5,352
730
205
610

1,393
264
707
593
210
174

12,935 86

112
63
32
41
15
58

323 79

263

100

25
37
12
26
48
27
36
9
21

660 01

27
76
52
25
159
90
12

143 95

Travelling Expenses

M. Lavell, warden

James Adams

James Devlin

Rev. C. E. Cartwright

Neal P. Ward

Hospital Department.

Acetum cantharides, \ lb.
Acid acetic, 1 lb ...

do boracic, 1 oz

do carbolic, 17 lbs

do gallic, \ lb

do hydrochloric, 2 lbs . .

do nitric, 1 lb

do salicylic, 1 lb. 12 oz .

do sulphuric, 1 lb

do sulph. arom. , 1 lb . . .

do tannic, 1 lb

do tartaric, ^ lb

Amnion, carb. , 1 lb

do mur., 4 lbs

Antifebrin, 2 lbs. 8 oz

Bals. Copaib. , i lb

Beef, peptonoids, 3 doz

Bismuth carb. , 2 lbs. 8 oz

do tris. nit. , | lb

Bovenine (small), \ doz

do (large), 3J doz

Bromidia, \\ lbs

Calcischlor., 82 lbs

Camphor, 2 lbs

Carbo animalis, 6 lbs ....

Celery eomp., 1 bot

Cerii, oxalus, \ lb

Chionia, h lb

Chloroform (D. & F.), 1 lb. . . .

Cinchona pulv. , 6 lbs

Cincho quinine, 5 oz

Creta praep. , 1 lb

Cuticura soap, 1

Emplast. belladonnae, 10| doz

do canthar., 1 yd

do capcine, 2 doz

do dental, § doz

Meades, 5 yds

sinap. , 50 yds

Emulsion cod liver oil, Miller'

do do Scott's, 3

do do Warn pole's, 2. .

Extract belladonna, \ oz

do ginger, Sanford's, \ doz

do hammamelis, Pond's, 3

do nucis vom. , \ oz

Ferri per sulph., 13 oz

do sulph. exsceiatta, \ lb

do sulph. pulv., 36 lbs

Fid. ext. cascara sagrada, 5h lbs

do do P.L\&Co.,21bs

do ergotse, 3 lbs

do gent, co., 11 lbs

( rum acaciae pulv., (>£ lbs

do tragacanth. and pt., 1 oz

( S-lycerine, 3 lbs

Hyd. submur., \ lb

Iodoform, 2 lb

Lactopep'syn, 1 bot

Lime juice, £ doz.

Lin. farini, 200 lbs

Liniment camph. co., 7 lbs

do saponis, 5 lbs

do
do

11.

Department of Justice.

No. 26. — Details of Expenditure of Kingston Penitentiary, &c. — Concluded.

Hospital Department — Continued.

Liquor amnion, fort., 4 lbs. . .

do potassse, 4 lbs

Magnes. carb. , 1 lb

do sulph. , 155

Morphine sulph., £ oz

Oil, cedar, 4 oz

do morrhuae, 2^ galls

do olivae opt., 8 lbs

do ricini, 40 lbs

Paris green, ^ lb

Pil. aloin, 25

do aloin co. , 500

do aloin co. c. podoph, 1000.

do atropine, 100

do cath. co. imp. , 3 lbs

do hydrarg, h lb

do hyoscene, 100.

do morph. , i gr. . 500 .

do morph., | gr., 500

do rhei co. , 100

do salol, 200

Plumb, acet, 1 lb

Podophyllin, 1 oz

Potass, bicarb, 9 lbs

do bromide, 9 lbs

do carb. , 5 lbs

do chlor. pulv., 8 lbs

do iodid., 1 lb

do nitras pulv., 5 lbs

Prescription, 73612

do 73766

Pulv. capsici, \ lb

do ipecac, f lb

do ipecac co. , 1^ lbs

Pulv. opii, 2 oz

do rhei, | lb

do seidlitz, 10 doz

Quinine sulph, 15 oz

Resin alb. , 1 lb

Sapo hisp., 6 lbs

Sodae biboras, 1 lb

do bicarb., 3 lbs. . .:

do et pot. tart., 8 lbs

Spts. ammon. arom., 47 lbs.

do eth. nitras, 9 lbs

do frumenti, 26| galls

do methyl., h, gall

do myrceae, 1 lb

do terebinth, 4 lbs

do vini gallici, 8 oz

do do rect., 2-34-8 galls. . .

Sulphur, 36 lbs "

Syrup hypophos. hemat., 3 lbs,

do scillae, 2 lbs

do trifol. co. , 3 lbs

do ferri iodid, 5 lbs

Tincture aconite, 3 lbs

do belladonnas, 5^ lbs. . .
do cam ph. co., 39 lbs. . . .

do canthar. , 6 oz

do cardam. co., 1 lb

do catechu, 35 lbs

do cinchon. co., 2 lbs.. . .

do digital. , 4 lbs

do ferri mur. , 1 lb

do gent, co., 4 lbs

do hyoscyam., 10i lbs. . .

do iodi., 3 lbs .

do opii, 6 lbs

$ cts.

0 80
0 60
0 20
3 10
0 53

0 40

3 14

1 56

4 80
0 15

0 20

1 50

3 00
0 40

5 25

0 50

1 25

2 00
2 50

0 50

1 60
0 15

0 50,

2 70
5 40

1 50

2 00

4 00
0 50
0 40
0 30
0 08
2 63
2 63
0 90
0 80

2 60

7 50
0 05
0 90
0 20

0 60

3 20
21 15

4 50
53 50

1 25
0 40
0 32

0 25

8 54

1 80

2 50

0 56
2 75
2 50

1 35

2 30

12 48
0 25
0 35

13 65

0 90

1 60

0 20

1 20
4 20

2 10
4 20

Hospital Department — Concluded

Tincture scilhe, 3 lbs

do tolu, ^ oz

do valerian, 1 lb

do zingiberis, 2 lbs

Terebene, £ lb

Ung. carbolic, 1 lb

do fejri persulph, 1 lb

do gallae co., 1 lb

do iodi., 1 lb.

do resinae, 1 lb

do simplex, 2T% lbs

Vaseline, 15 lbs

Vin. ipecac, 4 lbs .

Appliances, Sundries, dx.

Absorbent cotton, 1 lb. 14 oz . . .

Atomizer bulb, 1

Boxes, chip, 1 gross

do ' folding pill, 1,000

do paper pill nest, 1 doz

Brush, sable, 1

Bedpans, 3

C. H. pencils, 1 doz

Capsules, empty, 800

Caustic holders, 2

Caustic points, 2 ,

Corks, 17 gross

Electro silicon, 2

Eye shades, 6 . . .

Feeding mugs, 3

Fly paper, 1 doz

do holders, 2

Glass gallipots, 4-oz. ,11

do 1-lb., 9

Indelible ink, 1 bottle

Insect powder, h lb

Lint, 3rVlbs.

Medicine glasses, 1-oz., 1 doz.. .
do 2-oz., \ doz. .

Mortar, wedgewood, 1 ,

Moth camphor, \ lb

Paper cups, antiseptic, 15

Reagent case, 1

Repairs Semple's inhaler

Silver wire, \ oz

Soda mint, 1

Spectacles, 3

Splints, felt, adjustable

Sponges, 18

Syringes, eye, 3

do glass, 3

do I. R., 3

Suppositories

Suspensories, 1 doz

Trusses, double, 2

do single, 3

Urinals, 8

Vaccine points, 30

Vials, 2-oz. , 6 doz

do 4-oz. , 6 doz

do 8-oz., 13 doz

do 16-oz., 1T7^ doz

do 32-oz., 2 doz

Grand Total,

$ cts.

1 20

0 33

0 40

0 90

0 40

0 30

0 40

0 90

0 60

0 40

1 15

3 00

1 80

413 53

0 96

0 50

1 60

2 50

1 75

0 40

3 75

0 25

1 50

2 10

0 17

6 05

0 30

0 75

1 20

0 50

0 10

1 10

1 85

0 20

0 25

2 80

0 95

0 50

1 00

0 25

0 32

2 75

0 50

0 25

3 50

14 50

2 10

0 50

0 45

1 92

0 25

1 51

3 00

2 25

5 40

3 75

1 25

1 63

4 60

1 87

0 25

86 08

139,385 51

56 Victoria.

Dr.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 27.
Balance Sheet, Kingston Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892. Cr.

Buildings, lands, &c

Protestant chapel, library and school .
Roman Catholic library and chapel. . .

Engineer's department

Storekeeper's department

Chief trade instructor's department . .

Sundries in yards and wharf

Steward's department

Tailor's department

Shoe department

Carpenter's department

Blacksmith's department

Mason's department

Hospital and asylum

Armoury

Female prison

Stables and farm

Stonecutter's department

Quarry and railroad

Grist mill

Office furniture

North lodge

West lodge

Towers (furniture)

Public Works Department, stores

Electric light stock

Bakery

Outside labouring gang

To Balance investment.

$ cts.

856,490 16

3,007 57

1,541 43

67,473 00

1,352 28

5,288 65

1,135 75

24,482 91

4,188 31

1,320 54

2,601 64

1,311 96

293 73

2,647 32

1,718 69

1,554 45

3.024 10

2,829 51

1,394 75

3,198 36

424 70

124 31

25 00

87 45

4,906 54

13,923 41

485 30

175 05

1,007,006 87

Balance .

$ cts.
1,007,006 87

S. W. SCOBBLL,

Accountant.

Department of Justice.

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No. 29.
op Convicts received iu the Kingston Penitentiary during the Year 1891-92. giving Civil State,

Department of Justice.

No. 30.
Criminal Statistics, Kingston Penitentiary, for the Year ended 30th June, 182!).

Description.

481

11)

500

341

1G5

506

56
240
103

29
18

506

400
21

506

340

506

263

506

7
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7
4
6

15
2

2
6

1
5
4

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2
2

507

532

345

187

532

57
248
110
64
35
18

532

415
23
94

532

77
349
106

532

268

532

7
1

—

Description.

Race

White

Occupation

Bricklayers

Blacksmiths

3
4

1
5
3
3
1
9
1

20
7
9
2
1
1
1
2
1
1

50
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
226
1
3
1
5
1
6
1
1
1
2
1

14
1
1
1

10
2
1
1
9
1
1
1
1
1
1

18
2
5
1
1
1
1
1

Coloured

Indian

Single

Boilermaker

1
5

Brakemen

Broom-makers ...

Marital

Clerks

Married ....

•

Under 20 years

Confectioners. . . .

Carpenters

Cigarmakers

Cooks

Coopers. . . .

Age

Currier

20 to 30 do

Cabinetmaker . .

30 to 40 do ...

Doctor

40 to 50 do

Engineers ...

50 to 60 do ...

Express agent. . .

Over 00 do

Electrician

Farmers

Firemen

Gardener

Groom

Education. . .

Harnessmakers

Read only

Hotelkeeper

Hatter

Hostler

Jeweller .

296

Moral habits

Musician. . . '.

Moulders

Temperate

Intemperate . . .

Merchant

England

Machinists

Millwright

Optician

Where born.

Post office clerk

United States

Polisher

Ireland

Piano finishers

Scotland

Plumber

Ontario

Painters

Plasterer

Quebec

Finland

Germany

Quarryman

Roofer

India

Spain

Shoemakers

Sailors

Sweden

Steamfitters ,

Italy

Nova Scotia

Stereotyper

Surveyor

New Brunswick

Stonecutters

P. E. Island

Gibraltar

Spinner

Sawyer

1
1

Austria

Stoker

Wales

School teacher

Denmark

Ag'ents

Steward

Safe maker

Tailors

Traders

Teamsters

Occupation .

Barbers

Bootblack

Telegraph operator

Theatrical manager

Bakers

Bookbinder

1
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

N0# 30. — Criminal statistics, Kingston Penitentiary, &c. — Continued.

Occupation. .

Crimes.

Description.

Watchmaker.. . .

Waiters

Weaver

Window dresser.
Females

Abortion.
Attempt to kill.

do shoot

do rob

do rape

do at bodily harm..

do sodomy

do burglary ....

Aiding and abetting rape

Assault

Arson

Burglary

Bestiality

Buggery

Bigamy

do and horse-stealing

do and forgery

Burglary and larceny ....

Blackmail

Cattle stealing

Counterfeiting

Carnally knowing girl of

10 .

Carrying explosives

Embezzlement

do and larceny
Felonious wounding. . . .

Felony

Forgery

do and uttering ....

Fraud

Grievous bodily harm . . .

Horse-stealing

House-breaking

do and larceny. . .

do and wounding

Highway robbery

Indecent assault

Incest

Larceny

do
d(

do
do

and receiving. . .

and injury to
property

and shooting. . . .

and false pre-
tense

and wounding. .

and sheep steal-
ing

Manslaughter

Murder

do accessory to

Malicious injury to pro-
perty. .... _

Obstructing railroad

Offering counterfeit
money

Post office robbery. . .

506

21 i

26 532

2
4

1
1

7
3
1
2
1
11
29
72
1
6
7
1
1
8
2
1
6

3
3
2

102

1
1

1
22
15

2
34

Crimes ,

County.

Description.

Perjury

Pocketpicking

Rape

Receiving stolen goods . .

Robbery

do with violence.,
do and larceny ....

Shooting with intent ....
do do and
robbery

Sodomy

Suffering girl under 10 to
resort to his house to be
carnally known

Uttering forged paper . . .

Algoma

Alberta '.

Brant

Bruce

British Columbia

Carleton

Colchester

District of Nipissing. . . .
do Parry Sound.

Dorchester

Duff ern

Essex

Elgin

Frontenac

Grey

Gaspe

Huron

Halifax

Haldimand

Hastings

Halton

King's

Kent

Lambton

Lincoln ,

Leeds and Grenville

Lennox and Addington . .

Lunenburg

Lanark

Middlesex

Manitoba

Montreal

Muskoka

Northumberl'd & Durham

Norfolk

Ontario

Oxford

Peterboro'

Peel

Prescott and Russell

Perth

Prince Edward Island. . . .
Prince Edward County . .

Quebec

Renfrew

Simcoe ,

Stormont, Dundas and
Glengarry

506

Department of Justice.
No. 30. — Criminal Statistics, Kingston Penitentiary, &c. — Concluded.

Description.

6
H

'eg

—

Description.

■"eg

County ....

St. John, N.B

"i
'4

1
7
4

17
8

138

532

1
1

Sentence.
Religion . .

&if$ years

7 do

8 do

9 do

10 do .

1
48
2
4
46
6
1

19
6
7

Terrebonne

7
4

17
8

134

506

1
1
1

5?,

Victoria

12 do

13 do . . .

Welland

14 do

15 do

Westmoreland

York . .

20 do .

21 do .

24 do .

506

138

182

506

12
2
4

25 do .

Life

Church of England

Catholic

2*4* years

2-sf^ do

532

2irf^ do

2^V do

145

2& do .

2
4
1
13
1
132

1
'"2

1
138

1
33

1
105

1
18

194

2i" do

Presbyterian. . . .

2j do

Methodist

2i do

2| do

Jews

Infidel

3 do

Lutheran

3i do

Baptist

3| do

101

Disciple

Mennonite

Salvation Army

4 do .

H do

4f do

5 do

5i do

53?

6" do .

6i do

18—3

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 18931

No. 31.
Distribution of Convicts in the Kingston Penitentiary on the 30th June, 1892.

No.

How employed.

Carpenter shop

Tinsmiths

Painters

Upholsterer

Coopers

Carpenters, outside gang

Blacksmith and machine shop
Engineers and pipe-fitters ....

Stonecutters

Mason gang, No. 1

do 2

Labouring gang

Quarry

Railroad gang

Tailors

Shoemakers

Farm and gardens

Hospital patients

do orderlies

Asylum patients

do orderly

Dining hall and kitchen

Electric light room

Protestant chapel

No. of
Men.

No.

64 i

How employed.

Protestant library

Catholic chapel

Cells, wings and dome

Mess room

Wash house and bath room

Dry room

Bakery

North lodge

West do

Store room

Grist mill

Stone breakers

Bucket ground

Stables

Teamsters

Yard cleaners

Ash pile

Wood gang

Barber

Storekeeper's office

Females

Total

No. of
Men

532

Department of Justice.

ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PENITENTIARY.

No. 1.

ANNUAL EEPORT OF THE WARDEN FOR THE YEAR ENDED

30th JUNE, 1892.

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report upon this penitentiary for
the fiscal year 1891-92.

There were confined on the 30th June, 1891, a total of 350 male prisoners. Since
that time there have been received from common jails 138 males and 1 female.
In the same period there were discharged by expiration of sentence, 104 males ; by
pardon, 9 males ; died, 1 male ; transferred to Kingston Penitentiary, 1 female —
making a total of 114 males and 1 female discharged or otherwise disposed of.

The prison population at this date is 374 males, an increase of 24 men as com-
pared with last year.

I regret to say that there has been an increase of 9 over the previous year, in
the number of those who come back here for a second, third and fourth time ; and
I think it is high time to provide for the punishment of this class of habitual
criminals.

The conduct of the convicts has been generally good. Breaches of discipline
have been chiefly confined to cranks and irreclaimable characters.

The sanitary condition of the prison is very good.

Work on the new boundary wall has been pushed on vigorously, and since the
1st of July last, another section of 425 feet has been built, apart from the tower.

Two water-sumps were constructed along the Masson road, below the warden's
residence, to prevent the flooding of the road.

Five hundred feet of nine-inch tile drain were laid on the farm along the
St. Frangois road ; and the hill along that road was also lowered five feet.

Fifteen acres of wire-fence were put up, and between five and six acres of land
cleared of stones and boulders.

Four thousand loads of rubbish were carted from behind the new bouudary wall
to the creek below, to level the grouud on that part of the farm.

Five hundred feet of pipe were laid from the government tenements, to supply
water to the piggery.

The lodge of the assistant engineer has been completed, and is now occupied.

During the year a new shop was opened in connection with the carpenter's shop,
where convicts are instructed in carriage making, upholstering, painting and coach-
varnishing, by Mr. E. Leclair, whose appointment was secured by your favourable
and considerate recommendation.

This shop has already turned out several conveyances, such as a stone-wagon,
an English buggy, also a sleigh, besides the repairing of several others. Apart from
the teaching of new trades, this shop will ere long, be a source of revenue to the
institution.

Although over 100 convicts have been employed outside of the prison precincts,
it affords me great pleasure to state that no escape took place.

It would be to advantage to extend the artificial heating to the chapels, offices
and all the other parts of the institution where fuel is used either in grates or stoves.

I regret that the Public Works Department had this item struck off the esti-
mates before submitting them to Parliament.

37
18— 3J

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

I beg to call your attention again to the fact that the barn and all of the gov-
ernment tenements require to be tinned anew. This work and other heavj7 repairs
to buildings should have been done in the course of the past year, but had to be
postponed for want of funds on the part of the Public Works Department.

It will be necessary to provide for those urgent works next year.

The total of revenue for year ended 30th June, 1892, amounts to $1,230.02, and
the earnings of convicts for the past year amount to $55,031.50 ; being an increase
of $1,824.75 over the previous year.

The total expenditure for the year, including the material on hand on the 30th
June, 1891, is $88,553.74 ; but by deducting from this amount the revenue deposited
to the credit of the .Receiver-General, and the sums paid for items which should not
be charged to the account of ordinary expenditure, the real expenditure for main
tenance of convicts would be $81,390.94.

The average number of convicts for the year was 353.

The average cost per convict for maintenance proper is $230.56-£.

The yearly cost of each convict after deducting the value of labour is $74.67J, or
per diem 20-f- cents.

I am pleased to say that the officers, as a whole, have been painstaking in the'
discharge of their various duties, and are ever ready to assist me in maintaining the
discipline of the prison.

' In closing this report, I beg to offer you my sincere thanks for the kindness and
assistance shown me in the discharge of my duties.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant.

TELESPHOKE OUIMET,

Warden.

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

Department of Justice.

No. 2.

ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PENITENTIARY.

Per capita Cost of Convicts for the Year 1891-92.

Daily average, 353.

Names.

Salaries

Gratuities

Uniforms

Rations

Convict clothing

Travelling allowance

Discharge clothing

Bedding

Interments .

Chapels

Library

Escapes

Hospital

Heating

Light

Repairs to buildings

Maintenance of machinery

Armoury

Kitchen

Stationery

Farm

Stables

Telephones

Telegrams

Postage

Freight

Express

Advertising

Travelling expenses

Transfer

Stationery and Queen's
Printer's Office

By Refund of Expenditure

Cash .
Expenditure

for 1891-92.

44,216

100

3,137

15,508

7,734

881

1,347

711

788

175

615

5,939

1,137

2,409

418

760

1,606

168

217

cts.

64
00

97
<)7
83
00
31
43
30
75
66
90
29
71
76
80
60
22
05
00
57
21
80
32
37

59
50
36
80

298 16

5,631 92

78 18

85,553 74

Deduct
Material on
hand out of
Appropria-
tion
for 1891-92.

$ cts .

896 01
1,935 77
6,986 45

483 79
392 41

209 97

1,704 00

476 46

2,336 68

41 00

98 65

318 03

658 00
179 50

Net
Expenditure
for 1891-92.

cts.

2,241 96
13,572 30

748 38

863 52
319 02

405 32
4,235 71

661 30
73 12
47 60

100 02

102 57
1,426 71

Add

Stock on

hand

from 1891.

cts.

514 03

2,500 62
5,256 62

260 35
393 90

177 26

2,737 90

460 92

2,356 21

12 00

45 00

310 38

650 00
35 50

Actual Cost

for

1891-92.

$ cts .

44,216 64

100 00

2,755 99

16,072 92

6,005 00

881 00

1,123 87

712 92

23 30

788 75

175 66

31 90
582 58

6,973 61

1,122 22

2,429 33

59 60

43 57

410 40

1 00

752 57

1,462 21

5 80

11 32

55 37

83 59

27 50

168 36

217 80

32 95

298 16

87,629 89

78 18

87,547 71

Per
Head.

$ cts.
124 41

7 80i
45 53|
17 01

2 49f

3 184
2 02
0 06i

2 23|
0 49f

0 09

1 65
19 75i

3 18
6 88
0 163

0 12}

1 16|
0 00£

2 13

1*1

01|
031
15f
23f
0 07|
0 47|
0 61|
0 09i

0 84|

Amount of revenue $1,230 02

Per capita cost $248 01

Deduct for revenue 3 48|

Actual cost $244 52f

G. S. Mal^part,

Accountant.

TELESPHOKE OUIMET,

Warden.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 3.
EEPOET OF THE PEOTESTANT CHAPLAIN.

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to present to you my annual report for the year ended
30th June, 1892, on which day there were 86 convicts under my charge, being an
increase of 6 during the year.

The figures stand thus: —

Convicts remaining 30th June, 1891 80

do received during the year 28

Total 108

Convicts discharged, 20

do pardoned 2

— 22

86
They are all from towns and cities, with the exception of 8 from rural parts,
and those had been drifting through the villages. Amongst the foreign element
(American and English) there is an increase of 8 over last year.

Organ.

I wish I could suitably express my thanks for the new pipe organ. It is a good,
substantial instrument, and will be of material service in leading and sustaining the
voices in the service. As to the men's conduct in the chapel, nothing could be more
orderly, and although there is a want of interest in some, the responses and singing
are made in a hearty manner.

School.

Thirteen Protestant convicts are at present attending school, studying both
French and English, and are making satisfactory progress.

Library.

Out of the money appropriated I have been enabled to make a valuable addition
of books of an educational character ; books ot reference, also biographical, historical
and fiction, selected with the greatest care, in all amounting to 281 volumes, which
is much appreciated.

I did intend to again venture to recommend that work suited to each individual
be provided to occupy all their time, and a small reward for extra work be given,
but I find your admirable report for last year covers the whole ground of needed
reform, which if carried out would be a benefit to the men and reduce to a minimum
the dangerous element to society.

1 have to acknowledge with thanks the assistance and support received from
iho warden and deputy, and of other officials, for their willingness to render their
aid whenever required, and I conclude by tendering you my best thanks for your
uniform courtesy and the many favours I have received at your hands.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

JAMES FULTON, M.A.,

Protestant Chaplain.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

Department of Justice.

(Translation.}

No. 4.

EEPOET OF THE EOMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN.

St. Yincent de Paul Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to present my annual report for the year ended the 1st
July, 1892.

Since 30th June, 1891, the Eoman Catholic chapel of the St. Yincent de Paul
Penitentiary received 110 convicts, 84 were released, 7 pardoned, 1 died, and has at
present 288 members.

Attention and good behaviour are maintained during religious services

Cleanliness in our beautiful chapel is carefully observed by everybody. The
singing is remarkably good and our organist is most certainly deserving of the
increase of salary you mentioned in your last annual report. '

The greater number of the convicts partake of the sacraments of the Holy
Church, many, very often ; and there is a notable progress in the discharge of
religious duties. This is a fruit of the good example given by the officers and even
by the prisoners.

Bad example has caused the fall of most of our convicts. It is their love of
riches and pleasure, obtained without working, that has led them astray. They wish
to be rich and to enjoy pleasure. They cause injury, steal and even commit murder,
if it is necessary, in order to reach their end, hoping they can escape human justice.
As for the justice of God, it is little considered by those who are offered to them
as examples of honesty, and these convicts only think ot it at the last hour of this
life.

This is particularly the case with the greater part of the foreigners coming from
Europe or the United States. For these, self-interest supersedes authority, moral
sense and honesty. Their sole object is to procure for themselves enjoyments and save
appearances. Lost since their childhood in the darkness of sophistry, viewing the
exhibition of bad morals, the glorification of criminals, habits of spend-thrifts of all
conditions and ranks, pages of leading periodicals and novels, they seek in skill and
boldness the means of accomplishing their shameful designs.

To such people religious attendance preserves faith and sometimes restores the
practice of religion.

You are aware, Mr. Inspector, that the Eoman Catholic chapel has always been
open for entering or leaving, and if we have tried to prevent the sad mockery of
some easy chapel-changers, consciences have all the time been as free here as any-
where else.

Many thanks to you, Mr. Inspector, for the special grant of money which has
enabled me to buy sufficient books to accommodate abundantly all our readers.

Tbe school is still progressing.

Allow me, Mr. Inspector, to thank you for your devoted cares in behalf of our
difficult task, and to subcribe myself

Most respectfully, yours,

L. O. HAEEL, Priest,

Roman Catholic Chaplain.
J. G-. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 5.
REPORT OF THE SURGEON.

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 15th July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit to you my annual report for the year ended
30th June last.

The hygienic state of the penitentiary is very good.

I am happy to inform you that this institution has not been visited by any
epidemic or contagious disease during the past year. There has been only one death
from among the convicts during the year, and this case was of old age and general
debility.

On the 30th of June there were two patients in hospital under treatment. The
annexed list will show the number of patients treated in hospital and cells.

Mr. O'Shea, the hospital overseer, continues to fulfil his duties to my entire
satisfaction.

I am thankful to the warden and the officers for the aid they render me in the
discharge of my duties.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

M. H. E. GAUDET, M.D.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

Department of Justice.

Annual Keturn of Sick treated in the Hospital and Cells of the St. Vincent do Paul
Penitentiary during the year ended 30th June, 1892.

Diseases.

Acne

Anteritis

Amygdalitis

Bronchitis

Blepharitis

Cardialgia

Cystitis

Chancre, venereal. . . .

Catarrh, nasal

Contusion

Coryza

Debility

Diarrhoea

Dyspepsia

Dysentery

Delirium tremens

Epistaxis

Erysipelas

Gastric derangement.

Epilepsy

Eracture

Gonorrhoea

Gleet

Heart disease

Haemoptisis

Hemorrhoids

Lumbago

Neuralgia

Ophthalmia

Orchites

Otitis

Plurodynia

Phthisis (pulmonary).

Prurigo

Spermatorrhoea

Stricture, urethral. . .

Syphilis

Scurvy

Ulcers, syphilitic. . . .
Rheumatism

M. H. E. GAUDET, M.D.,

Surgeon.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 6.
EEPORT OF THE SCHOOLMASTER

St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to present to you my tenth report on the school and
the Eoman Catholic Library, for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

Subjects of instruction : Spelling, reading, writing, orthography and arithmetic.

The average attendance is 56 ; being, in consequence, an increase of 10 over the
preceding year. These 56 scholars are distributed as follows : —

Spelling, numeration, tables, blackboard writing 15

Beading (elementary) simple rules, copybook writing 26

Beading (analytical) compound rules, dictation 15

Total 56

I am pleased to state that almost all the convicts attending the school show, by
their good conduct and attention, a desire to profit by all the means of instruction
offered them, and by diligent study, both in the school and in their cells, endeavour
to procure the advantages of education.

The library is in a good and prosperous condition, and greatly appreciated. To
the convicts who are able to read, it furnishes a continual source of intellectual
enjoyment, and to the student proves a valuable auxiliary to the text-book.

I owe my best thanks to the warden, as well as to the chaplains for their aid
and kindness towards me in the discharge of my duties.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your most obedient servant,

J. T. DOEAIS,

Teacher.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

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Department of Justice.

No. 8.

Criminal Statistics, St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, for fear ended 30th June, 1892.

Race

Marital

Age

Education..

Moral habits

Religion ,

Sentence .

I description.

White...
Coloured
Indian . .

Married

Single

Under 20 years
20 to 30 do
30 to 40 do
40 to 50 do
50 to 60 do
Over 60 do

Cannot read . . .

Read only

Read and write

Temperate . .
Intemperate

Roman Catholics.
Protestants

22 months

2 years

2 years and 25 lashes .
2 do and 50 do

do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do

9 do

10 do
12 do

14 do

15 do

17 do

18 do
20 do
25 do
Life..

and 50 lashes,
and 58 do

and 3 days ,

367
2
5

374

128
246

374

179
92
42
17

374

86
21

267

374

168
206

374

289
85

374

367
2

374

128
246

374

17!)

374

267

374

168
20(5

374

289
85

374

District.

Bcnpl K hi.

Montreal

Quebec

St. Francis . . .

Richelieu

Bedford

Beauharnois

Joliette

Three Rivers.

Iberville

Rimouski
St. Hyacinthe
Arthabaska . . .
Beauce

< rasp^

Ottawa

Terrebonne. . . .
Montmagny . .

Country.

Occupation

374

Quebec

United States . .

England

Ireland

France

Ontario

Scotland

Newfoundland .

Brittany

Denmark

Germany

Hungary

Italy

Manitoba

New Brunswick
Sweden

Advocates

Agents

Accountant ....

Barbers.

Bricklayer

Bakers

Bartenders ....

Butchers

Book-keepers . .
Bridge-builder. .

Bank-teller

Brakeman

Banker

Blacksmiths . . .

Carpenters

Carters

Clock-maker . . .

Clerks

Cabinet-makers .

Collector

Cooks

Cooper

Cigar dealer

Confectioner . . .

Coachman

Cigar-makers . .

287

7
5
5
5

:;
:;
3
2
2
2
2
2
1

374

262
36

8
5

2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

374

2
2

1
4
1
5
2
3
6
1
• 1
1
1
5
11
21
1
12
3
1
5
1
1

•->

'.'.'.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 8. — Criminal Statistics, St. Yincent de Paul Penitentiary &c. — Concluded.

Occupation.

Description.

Cri

Dyer

Draughtsman .
Detectives

Druggist

Engraver ....
Electrician
Farmers

Firemen

Grocer

Gardeners

Horsedealer

Hatter

Hostlers

Hunter ...

Jeweller

Labourers

Letter carrier. . .

Masons

Mail driver

Medical student.

Miners

Merchant

Marble-cutter . . .

Machinists

Moulders

Nail-makers
Nickel-plater. . .

Plasterer

Painters

Printers

Plumbers

Pattern-maker . ,

Peddlers

Roofer

Statuary ........

Saddler

Storeman

Steamfitter

Switchman

Stonecutters
Shoemakers ....

Sailors

Traders

Tailors

Tanners

Travellers

Trunk-maker . .
Tinsmiths

Larceny

| Shop- breaking

House-breaking

Stealing from the person.

Forgery

Hoi s( -stealing

Receiving stolen goods. . .

( J ross indecency

Burglary

Manslaughter

Wounding with intent. . .

Robbery

Rape

Damaging property

Wounding

Arson

1
1
2
1
I
1
11
2
1
4
1
1
2
1
1
121
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
9
2
4
1
1
10
4
3
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
10
23
5
11
13
2
3
1
3

374

1
1

2
1
1
1
11
2
1
4
1
1
2
1
1
121
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
9
2
4
1
1
10
4
3
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
10
23
5
11
13
2
3
1
3

374

Crii

Description.

Stealing a post letter con-
taining money

Shooting with intent ....

Neglecting to provide. . . .

Larceny by a servant. . . .

Having in their possession
property stolen in an-
other part of Canada . .

Indecency

Indecent assault

Obtaining property by
false pretenses

Stealing money

Illegal appropriation ....

Bringing into Canada
stolen property

Shooting with intent to
kill

Stealing money out of a
post letter

Bigamy

Assault

Embezzlement

Attempting to break into
a shop

Stealing in a church . .

Attempt to commit i

' larceny

Altering an order for the
payment of money

Altering a post order ....

Wounding with intent. . .

Stealing from his master.

Embezzling a post letter .

Breaking into a counting-
house

Carnally knowing a girl
under 14 years of age . .

Assault with intent to
murder

Damaging a railway car
riage

Sacrilegious larceny

Attempt to carnally know
a girl under 12 years .

Rape and larceny

Forcibly taking away a
girl with intent to car-
nally know .......

Attempting to shoot with
intent to kill

False pretenses

Assault with intent.

Larceny in a dwelling-
house

Altering a Dominion note

Larceny as a bailee.

Assault with intent t
rape

Discharging a fire-
with intent

Obtaining money by false
pretenses

Larceny on board railway
cars

Aggravated assault.

S
ft

3
3
3
3

3
3
3

3
2
2

2
2
2

2
1

1
1

1
1
1

1
1

1
1
1

374

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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)
No. 10.

A. 1893

Movement of Convicts at St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary from Midnight of the]
30th June, 1891, until Midnight of the 30th June, 1892.

Description.

Remaining at midnight 30th June, 1891.
Received since from common jails

Discharged since —

By expiration of sentence

By pardon

By death

Transferred to Kingston Penitentiary.

Remaining at midnight of 30th June, 1892 .

Male.

Female.

Total.

Male.

Female.

Total.

350

350
139

104
9

1
1

138

488
\

114

489
115

104
9
1

374

No. 11.

List of Convicts pardoned out of St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary during the Year
ended 30th June, 1892, with Crime and Place where convicted.

No.

Name.

Thomas Beliveau. . .

Joseph Belec

Jean Louis Charron

Edward Slack

Octave Meunier ....
Joseph Berthiaume .
Luther T. McGrath.
Raymond Brule

Hubert Collin

Crime.

Horse-stealing

Larceny

Stealing money out of a post letter

Embezzlement

Forgery

Uttering a forged bank note

Manslaughter

Assault with intent to do some grievous

bodily harm

Opening a post letter bag and stealing a

letter therefrom

Where convicted.

Arthabaska.
Montreal.
Terrebonne.
Bedford.
Quebec.
Montreal,
do

Richelieu.

Gaspe.

No. 12.

List of Convicts who have died in St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary during the Year
ended 30th June, 1892, with Crime and Place of conviction.

No.

Name.

Narciaee Belinge,

Crime.

Larceny

Place of conviction.

Montreal.

Department of Justice.

No. 13.

List of Convicts recommitted in St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary during the Year
ended 30th June, 1892, with the number of recommitments.

No.

Name.

o
K §

§ 9

o
OS

s
11

0) .J

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No.

20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35

Name.

t s

!Z2

o
H

o s

Alphonse Portelance

"i*

James Johnson

William Robert

i
i
i
i
i
i
i

Joseph Gauthier

Victor Chaput

1
1

Joseph Favreau

Joseph Gagner

George Verret

Arsene Latendresse

Napoleon Lamoureux

Napoleon Labreche

Francois X. Beauvais

Joseph Belec

Frederic Legault

Joseph Larivee

Alphonse Brazeau

1
"l

T. Brochu alias Therien ....
Damase Larose

Patrick Scanlan ....

1
1
1

William Gray

Prime Collin

i
i
i
i
i
i

Alfred Metayer.dit St. Onge
Xavier Charest. . ,

Joseph Thibault

William Wilton

Joseph Poitras. . .

Edward Carmody

Joseph Wayland

1
1
1
1
1

Napoleon Giroux

J ean JLortie

Paul Giroux

Damase Laf ramboise

Paul Letore

Totals

Louis Morier

No. 14.

Summary of Punishments awarded in the St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary for the

Year ended 30th June, 1892.

^Description of Punishment.

No.

812
811
254
275
95

Description of Punishment.

No.

Deprived of light

Deprived of library books

On hard bed

In dark cells on bread and water . .

Placed in dungeon on bread and water

Deprived of school

Reprimanded

do tobacco

Lost remission

To wear shackles ,

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 15.

A. 189S

Return showing the remission of Sentence earned by Convicts discharged from the
St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary during the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

No.
of Men.

Days.

No.
of Men.

Days.

No.
of Men.

Days.

No.
of Men.

Days.

177

. 5

355

135

178

359

160

179

363

163

180

365

165

245

449

166

254

455

170

258

524

174

264

625

92
94

175

176

270
343

104

No. 16.

Statement showing the Employments of Convicts in the St. Vincent de Paul Peni-
tentiary on the 30th June, 1892.

How employed.

Wood yard

Carpenters

Blacksmiths

Stonecutters

Masons

Farm

Teamsters

Tinsmiths

Tailors

Shoemakers

Bakers

Yard

Gate.'. .".'.'.' .'.'

Steward's' department

Engineer's do

Warden's quarters and garden

Deputy warden's quarters and garden.

No.
of Men.

•2

How employed.

Deputy warden's and accountant's offices.

Chapels

Messenger

Hall guard

Hospital

School and library

Change room

North wing

West do

East do

South do

Sick cells

New-comers

Punishment cells

Excavation

Total

No.
of Men.

2
1
6

374

Department of Justice.

No. 11.

List of Officers in the St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary on the 30th June, 1892,
giving Salary, Bank, Nationality, Religion, Age and Date of Appointment.

Telesphore Ouimet

Rev. L. O. Harel

jfcev. .lames Fulton

Thomas McCarthy

M. H. E. Gaudet, M.D

Geo. S. Malepart.,

Gordon B. Papineau

Charles N. Contant. . . .
George B. Lamarche. . . .

( tetave Labelle

N a] k >leon Charbonneau .
Eugene Champagne ....

Ephrem Trudeau

David O'Shea

-Joseph T. Dorais

Edward Kenny

Jean Vaudry

Procope Dumas

N. Beauparlant

T. Nantel

D. O'Borne

G. Labelle

B. A. Brissette

C. Sigouin

Eugene Leclair

John Lynch

James Blain

.Joseph Demers

Gilbert Chartrand

Ubalde Chartrand

James Carty

Jean Bte. Lemay

Edouard Prevost

Aristide Rochon

Charles Taillon

Napoleon Plouffe

Olivier Lamere

Francois Plouffe

Henri Boyer

Antoine Plouffe

George Nixon

Felix Lesage

Jean Bte. Malepart. . . .

Vincent Bisson

Alberic V. Pare

Elzear Bertrand

Samuel Filion

Napoleon Bastien

Godfroi Monette

Pierre Breland

Wm. Wright Gibson. . .

Lewis Henry

Martin Plouffe

Isidore, Charlebois

Theodore Chabot

John D. Fitzgibbon

George Charbonneau . . .
Daniel J. McLellan. ..

Hilaire Roger

Felix Clermont

George Shefritt

38—4

Salary.

2,800
1,200
1,200
1,500
1,400
1,100
800
820
900
1,000
790
780
500
530
700
700
700
700
700
700
700
700
660
660
600
500
600
600
600
600
600
600
590
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
50d
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
490
490
490
430
430

Rank.

Warden

R. C. Chaplain. .
Prot. do

Deputy warden.

Surgeon

Accountant

Warden's clerk..
Chief keeper
Storekeeper .-.-.*.
Clerk of works . .

Steward

Engineer

Asst. engineer. .
Hospital overs'r .
Schoolmaster.. . .

Farmer

Instructor

Messenger

Keeper

Guard

Nationality.

Canadian .

do .

Irish

Canadian .

do .

Irish

do .....
Canadian .

do .

do .
Irish ....
Canadian .

do .

Irish

Canadian .

do .

Irish

Canadian .

do
Irish

Religion.

Catholic

do
Protestant
Catholic .

do .

do .
Protestant
Catholic

do
Protestant
Catholic .

do .

do .
Protestant

do
Catholic

do
Protestant

A g*

Date of

Appointment.

31st January, 1887.
27th April, 1887.
1st October, 1889.
31st January, 1887.
31st January, 1887.
1st June, 1882.
1st January, 1886.
25th June, 1887.
1st March, 1880.
1st Sept., 1888.
30th June, 1888.
1st February, 1890.
1st July, 1890.
24th January, 1890.
24th July, 1882.
1st January, 1876.
20th May, 1873.
20th May, 1873.
15th April, 1877.
10th March, 1887.
22nd June, 1882.
8th Sept., 1886.
1st August, 1888.
22nd May, 1889.
1st March, 1892.
1st March, 1887.
20th May, 1873.
1st January, 1878.
1st March, 1887.
1st April, 1887.
1st March, 1888.
30th June, 1888. .
22nd May, 1889.
22nd April, 1891.
1st May, 1890.
6th March, 1882.
21st April, 1882.
16th May, 1882.
18th August, 1882.
14th June, 1883.
6th August, 1883.
29th August, 1883.
1st May, 1884.
12th July, 1884.
17th April, 1885.
1st August, 1885.
3rd August, 1885.
19th May, 1886.
25th May, 1886.
8th July, 1886.
6th August, 1886.
4th Dec, 1886.
5th March, 1887.
4th May, 1887.
2nd.June, 1887.
25th June, 1887.
30th June, 1888.
16th August, 1888.
1st January, 1889.
19th July, 1889.
30th Nov. 1889.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)
No. 17.

A. 1893

List of Officers in the St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary on the 30th June, 1892,
giving Salary, Eank, Nationality, &c. — Concluded.

Name.

Salary.

Rank.

Nationality.

Religion.

Age

Date of
Appointment.

Alfred Nadon

430
430
400
430

400
400
400

Guard

Canadian . .

do ..

Irish

Canadian . .

do ..

Catholic ... .

28
33
29
44
48
43

13th January, 1890.
1st February, 1890.
22nd April, 1891.
22nd April, 1890.
1st March, 1892.
4th Nov., 1881.
9th Nov. 1881.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 19.
Expenditure of St. Yincent de Paul Penitentiary, for Year ended 30th June, 1892

Summary

Salaries

Gratuity, W. Holden

Uniforms

Rations

Convict clothing

Travelling allowance

Discharge clothing

Bedding ; .

Interments

Chapels

Library

Escapes

Hospital

Heating

Light . ..

Repairs to buildings

Maintenance of machinery

Armoury

Kitchen

Stationery and Queen's Printer

Farm

Stables

Telephone

Telegrams and postage ,

Freight and express

Advertising

Travelling expenses

Transfers

Less — Refunds

Staff Salaries.

Warden, T. Ouimet

Deputy warden, T. McCarthy

Roman Catholic chaplain, L. O. Harel.

Protestant chaplain, J. Fulton

Surgeon, M. H. E. Gaudet

Accountant, G. S. Malepart

Warden's clerk, G. B. Papineau

Storekeeper, G. B. Lamarche

Chief keeper, C. N. Contant

Clerk of works, Oct. Labelle

Steward, N. Charbonneau

Engineer, E. Champagne

Hospital overseer, D. O'Shea

Trade instructors, at $700, 7

do 660,2

do 600, 1, 4 months

Schoolmaster, J. T. Dorais

Keepers, at $600, 6

do 590,1

do 500, 1

Guards, at $500, 22

do 500, 1, 8 months

do 490, 3

do 430, 5

do 400, 1

'In 400, 1, 4 months

Messenger, at $500, 1

Teamsters, at $400, 2

Assistant engineer, at -$500, l

Protestant chaplain's back pay. . .

Uniforms.

cts.

Welt leather, 334 lbs.
Calf, split, 160 lbs. ..

44,216

100

3,137

15,508

7,734

881

1,347

711

788

175

615

5,939

1,137

2,409

418

299

- 760

1,606

111

168

217

88,631 92

78 18

88,553 74

2,800 00

1,500 00

1,200 00

1,400 00

1,100 00

800 00

900 00

820 00

1,000 00

790 00

780 00

530 00

4,900 00

1,320 00

200 00

700 00

3,600 00

590 00

500 00

11,000 00

333 28

1,470 00

2,150 00

400 00

133 36

500 00

800 00

500 00

300 00

44,216 64

Uniforms — Concluded.

Blue sheepskin, 1 doz

French calf, 167| lbs

Lambskin, 21 skins

Calf, kid, 2 skins

Split leather, 104 lbs

Moccasin, 64 lbs

Varnish, 4 galls

Carbone, 3 lbs

Webbing, 11 pieces

Twist, 83 spools

Sewing silk, 1 lb

Farmers satin, 886 yds . .

Pocketing, 170i yds

Braid, 144 yds

Sleeve lining, 1,027^ yds

Buttons, 40 gross

Braid, dh gross.

Blue serge, 1,054| yds

Wrappers, 4 only

Cambric, 322^ yds

Wadding, 1,080 yds

Jean, 494; yds

Tweed lining, 90| yds

Caps, 4 only

Frieze, 226| yds

Interlining, 414^ yds

Brown holland, 101 yds

Mitts, 65 pairs

Thread, 7 1b

Elastic, 10 yds

Canvas, 252J yds

Silesia, 334f yds

Hooks and eyes, 13 gross

Buckles, 12 gross

Grey cotton, 564; yds

Binding, 6 gross

Helmets, 5f doz

Hook eyelets, 1 box

Peaks, 6 doz

Barrel buttons, 3 doz

Blue cloth, 30^yds

Sweat bands, 6 doz

Cap straps, 6 doz

Mations.

Beef, 77,094 lbs

Mutton, 4, 048 lbs....

Butter, 1,567 lbs

Herrings, 21 brls

Tobacco, 2141 lbs....
Codfish, 1,420 lbs. . . .

Sugar, 4,429 lbs

Molasses, 938 galls . . .

Milk, 173i galls

Flour, 825 brls

Vinegar, 179^ galls •

Pease, 58h bush

Pork, 16,800 lbs ....

Cloves, 15 lbs

Malt, 3 brls

Lard, 200 lbs

Hops, 100 lbs

Oatmeal, 3, 600 lbs...

Pepper, 700 lbs

Christmas extras

Beans, 554; bush

Rice, 2,000 lbs

Potatoes, 255£ bags . .
Tamarack, 30 cords. .

$ cts.

5 50
218 08
141 75

7 00
14 56
21 12

6 20

2 55

3 30
69 40

8 00
372 12

59 68
100 80
226 05
114 90

47 50
681 12

0 80
61 23
27 00
10 84

130 13
18 00

147 39
41 46

17 17
99 13
10 30

5 00
35 32
97 93

1 71
3 60
5 63

3 90
157 50

1 50

18 00

4 50
61 00

4 50

2 75

3,137 97

782 08
303 63
313 40 !
126 00
027 68

78 10
194 84
375 20 1

38 76 j
661 25

44 95

512

60
126

97
110

75
127
127

Department of Justice.
No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for Year ended 30th June, 1802 — Continued.

Regions— Concluded.

alt, 11,400 lbs

'.a, 21 1 W^

allow, 300 lbs

Con victs' Clothing.

Spanish leather, 4,021 lbs.

Ipper leather, 200 lbs.. .

luff leather, 140ft

Sheepskin, 386 lbs

'orpoise, 23 1 lbs

[arness leather, lOOi lbs.

rhread, 128 lbs

Nails, 235 lbs

.velets, 10 boxes

[ tcks, 36 gross

Needles, 534 papers

Wax, 40 lbs

Veatsfoot oil, 21 galls

Burrs, 0 lbs

I bags

|fnk, 10 galls

Wis, S boxes

Bristles, H lbs

Wl handles 12h doz

Hammers, 1 doz

knives, 4 doz

Lasts, 41 prs

jxalic acid, 2 lbs

'ramps, 6 prs ,

: Vdraganth gum, 1 lb

Jompass, i doz

Red calf, 150 lbs

Hooks, 2 doz

Thread, 28 gross

Buttons, 138 gross

irey cotton, 7493 yds

Springs, 12

Flannel, 2,498 yds

Wrappers, 49

Thimbles, 6 doz

Chalk, 5 boxes

Convict cloth, 7,415J yds.

Moleskin, 1,039 yds

Sponges, 4 doz

Indelible ink, 36£ lbs

Footed socks, 178 prs . . .

Benzine, 1 gall

New socks, 1,006 prs

Bobbins, 12

Lever, 1 . . . .

Holland, 308| yds...'

Silesia, 300 yds

Scissors, 4 prs

Canvas, 489g yds

Tape, 5 gross

Machine oil, 1 gall

Tip leather, 109 lbs

Camphor, 1 box

Pins, 25 papers

Heel shaves, 12

Rasps, 2 doz,
Emery straps, 1 doz .
Sand stone, 1 doz ....

Punch, 1

Size stick, 1

rapesca

Whisks, Hi doz

Pape measures, h doz.
Shuttles and feeders.

liinen, 107i yds

Straw hats, 40 doz. ..

$ cts .

57 00
53 50
36 00

15,508 07

844

(10

173

112

162

999

3,549

467

352

Convicts' Clothing — Concluded
• lean, 17 U yds

Buckles, 9 gross

Rings, 1 doz

Snaps, \ do/.

Elastic,' 523 yds

Take up block, 1

Travelling Allowances.

1 convict, at $ 5

55 do 7

43 do 8

6 do 9

4 do 10

2 do 12

1 do 14

1 do 15

Discharge Clothing

8! ft. buff leather

187 lbs. kip do

7 boxes eyelets

12 prs. lasts

1,329£ yds. flannel

15 doz. hats

13 doz. ties

10 gross buttons

12 doz. handkerchiefs

12 doz. braces

150 yds. canvas

8II5 yds. tweed

5 lbs. wax

4 doz. mitts

3 yds. imitation lambskin . . .

117 yds. cotton

133 yds. farmer satin

360 yds. wadding

Bedding.

100 prs. blankets

1 0 wrappers

1 doz. needles

492 yds. denim

120 yds. grey cotton

1 doz. quilts

42 doz. twine

638i yds. gingham

l,222i yds. crash linen .
60i yds. sheeting

Interments.

40 lbs. tapers .
Oil

Chapels.

42^ yds. communion cloth.

Needle work

1 pair candle sticks

1 feather duster

18 yds. carpet

$ cts .

53 37
0 20
0 95

0 33

41 H4

0 IS

■31 S3

5 00

385 <»(,

344 00

54 00

4) 00

24 00

14 00

15 00

ssl 00

10 56

56 10

3 00

3 60

398 78

105 00

22 75

32 10

10 80
18 00

21 00
527 31

3 25
36 00

22 50

11 70
55 86

9 00

1,347 31

360 00
2 00
1 20

83 64
12 00
18 00
25 08
51 08
110 03
48 40

•11 43

14 80
8 50

23 30

21 25

1 30

2 00

2 75
14 10

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (So. 18.) A. 1893

No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

Chapels— Concluded

17 yds. matting

\ gall, mass wine

1 ostensory

Corona.

Care of chapel

1 organ

14 doz. scapulars

220 hosts...

1 church register

1 chalice gilt

Organist's salary

Library.

Books, 299 vols

Skiver, 5 skins

Linen, 5 yds

Bibles, 2 .•••.•••

Newspaper subscriptions

Escapes.

Officer's expenses

Hospital.

Eggs, 39 doz

White sugar, 70 lbs

Medicines

Canton flannel, 20 yds

Biscuits, 1 box

Apples, li bush

Honey, 9^ lbs

Alcohol, 1 gall

Chicken, 1

Linseed, 25 lbs

Services of oculist

Subscription, " Math. Brief

Jug and basin . .

Tumblers, h doz

Spectacles, 2 doz

Heating.

Maple, 47 cords

Birch, 50 cords

Hard coal, 552^% tons
Soft coal, 288£fi$ tons. .
Steam coal, 267yV°cr tons.

Casting, 80 lbs

Grates, 3

Mica, 40 sheets

Wicks, 2

Range repaired

Light.

Chimneys, 297 A doz. . .

Lamps, 6

Bowls, (i

Collars, 30 doz

Wicks, 63 reels

Coal oil, 1,298^|, galls

Burners, 64 doz

Repairs to Buildings.
1 1 panes glass

515 11)8. ochre

4« doz. pommade magique. . . .

cts.

141

400

100

788 75

144

175 66

31 90

7
3
531
2
0
1
1
3
0
1
53
1
1
0
4

615 29

267

292

3,833

1,367

140

5,939 71

312

720

1,137 76

Repairs to Buildings — Continued.

1 crucible

1 tap

7 gross brass buttons

10 doz. brushes

3 doz. carpenter pencils

3 brls. horse-shoes

Chains

40§ yds. carpet

2 sponges

2 balls cord

Saw-dust

6 prs. wheel boxes

6 boxes tin

2,266 ft. lumber !

3,170 bolts and nuts

2 prs. knobs

10 quires emery cloth

8 truck wheels

1 brading machine

404^ lbs. block tin

3,236^ lbs. iron

50 lbs. horse-shoe nails

7 pads

740 lbs. paint

20 lbs. rivets

2 lbs. sifting wire

4 doz. eyelets

h doz. whip sockets

1 scale repaired

Inspection weights and measures .

5 boxes tar camphor

10 doz. mirrors

13 ft. cane

65 galls, varnish and japan

15 lbs. washers

2 hammers

20 lbs. root

50 gross screws

2 rat traps

202 lbs. nails....

300 lbs. tallow

1 drawing knife

2 scrapers

2,717 ft. basswood

716 ft. birch

799 ft. hickory

10 lbs. bristles

Carriage lamps

Yl\ doz. files

25 sheets mica

49 quires sand-paper

Carriage-maker's tools

5 boxes Canada plate

2 wheel plates

15^ lbs. stove pipe wire

1 sun blade

362 lbs. steel

220 ft. leather

2| doz. shafts

2 saws

8 lbs. pumice stone

4 axes

4 sleigh ferrules

1 set steel axes

49£ galls, raw oil

1 putty knife

60 drain pipes

3 handscrews

290 lbs. hair

1 paint crushing machine

Paint spatula.

51 yds. carriage cloth.
36 yds. binding

2 vices.

Department of Justice.

No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

Repairs to Buildings — Concluded.

9 paint brushes

t» lbs. pipeclay

15 H>s. fibre

4 balls twine and cord

8 prs. tips

S21bs. hlling-up

lyd. felt

Ufl yds. green cloth

1] gross lace

t anti-rattlers

Roof repaired

216 H>s. chloride of lime. .

3 brls. charcoal

4 gross tacks

1 pr. hinges

1 pkge. copper thread. . . .

Bevel square

3!> ft. cowhide

3 double-irons

2 sheets pasteboard

1 soldering stove

240 prs. bucket ears

2 btls. muriatic acid

1 leather strap

6 prs. pincers

305 lbs. whiting

120 lbs. springs

2 prs. snips

Spoke-shaves

Rolling machine repaired.

4 hooks

2 ball-braces

10 sets hubs and spokes. . .
17 yds. duck

5 lbs. casting

724 ft. elm

1 machine screw

26 doz. birch brooms

1 brl. Albany sand

1 compass

3 chisels

8 castors

220 lbs. glue

373 lbs. borax

1 mortising machine

8 bits

5 doz. drill bits

260fg lbs. wire

3 doz. locks

1 folding machine

15 lbs. tampico

2 iron planes

1 paper-cutter.
2bei

;nt poles.

Hall paper

27 lbs. rubber

1 ball twist

3 sets reins

10 yds. muslin

15 yds. rubber drill.. . .

6 doz. buckles

5 pieces malleable iron .
Clock oil

Maintenance of Machinery.

Turpentine, 41| galls

Tallow, 300 lbs".

Oil, 6 galls

Bath-brick, 1 doz

Pommade magique, 12 doz

$ cts.

4 05
0 60

6 oo
0 73

3 30

4 80

0 92
63 71

7 60

1 65

7 82
17 20

3 00

5 96
0 25
0 10

0 90

5 27

1 95

0 20

6 25
9 60

5 00

3 00

1 20

1 53

8 16

7 00

2 55

6 50
1 70

4 25
30 00

8 60

0 40

22 32

1 50
10 40

2 50
0 90

3 25

4 80
37 50
29 94
46 00

3 75

4 80
14 74

6 25
26 00
3 75
6 75
50 00
2 90
8 00

23 67
0 25

5 25

2 50
12 00

3 80
5 11
0 25

2,409 80

24 90

36 00

8 50

6 00

13 20

88 60

Armoury

Care of arms

Revolver repaired

Cartridges

Kitchen.

Black lead, 3 doz

Soap, 3,087 lbs

Brooms, 36 doz

Concentrated lye, 48 doz

Caustic, 775 lbs

Whisks, \ doz

Stone, blue, 8 lbs

Combs, 17 doz

Razors, h doz

Towels, | doz

Cups and saucers, 2 doz.

Meat dishes, 2

Pearline, 3 boxes

Forks and knives, 36 doz
Spoons, 12 doz

Stationery and Queen's Printer.

Packing cases . . . •

Stationery Office

Queen's Printer's Office

Farm.

Paris green, 162 lbs

Forks, 74 doz

Fork handles, 1 doz

Scythe stones, 6

Land plaster, 36 brls

Cement, 3 brls

Drain pipes, 200

Mowing machines repaired, 3

Fingers, 6

Sections, 6

Sundry articles

Manure

Fence wire, 950 lbs

Cramps, 100 lbs

Rake handles, \ doz

Spades and shovels

Lumber, 827 ft

Feed, 2 tons

Putz, 3£ doz

Timothy, 5 bush

Seed

Buckwheat, 1 bag

Pease, 6 bush

Potatoes, 30 bags

Hellebore, 2 lbs

Rake repaired

Stables.

§ cts .

49 92

l 00

46 30

97 22

6 00
197 66
90 00
26 40
31 00

1 60

1 90
10 10

3 50

2 00
2 40
1 20

18 00

25 20

1 20

418 05

1 00
263 39

34 77

299 16

Bran, 8,020 lbs

Straw, 4,877 bundles.

Oats, 815£ bags

Horses shod

Salt, 203 lbs

Sponges, 2 doz

Saddles repaired, 10 .

Felt, 2yds.

Axle-tree repaired, 1 .

Brushes, 1 doz

Soft soap, 35 lbs

32 40

20 15

1 80

0 60

18 20

4 50

186 82

31 25

2 10

0 72

4 75

203 35

46 25

5 50

0 60

29 25

13 39

53 00

1 30

11 00

58 14

1 25

6 00

18 00

0 80

9 45

760 57

60 16

146 31

815 25

51 14

1 30

17 70

14 00

10 00

1 50

9 00

5 25

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Concluded.

Stables — Continued.

Brass terrets, 3i doz

Castile soap, 5^ lbs

Tar paper, 6 yds

Hay, 4,100 bundles

Veterinary services and medicines

Cart axles, 4 *

Saddle, 1

Small scale, 1

Carriage wheels repaired, 2

Collars repaired, 4

Harness blacking, 1 doz

Rubber boots, 1 pair

Reins

High wines, lTTg gall

Bells, 1 doz

Spring repaired

Snap, 1

Harness repaired

Carpet, 3 yds

Tar camphor

Nitre

Horses clipped, 2

Hames, 4 pairs

Scissors, 1 pair

Lamps plated

Whip sockets, 2

Oil cakes, 75 lbs

Whip, 1

Cord, 3 packages

Linseed, 30 lbs

cts.

4 45

0 83

0 24

528 00

46 18

28 00

4 00

1 50

6 00

2 00

1 00

0 90

4 00

2 25

0 50

0 35

7 85

3 30 !

0 45

0 10

1 50

10 25

1 00

6 25

0 80

3 75

1 50

0 36

1 4;<

Stables — Concluded

Traces, 1 pair

Pommade magique, 1 doz . . .
Interfering boots

Miscellaneous.

Telephone

Telegrams

Postage

Freight

Express

Advertising

Travelling Expenses

J. Leblanc

G. B. Lamarche

E. Kenny

G. S. Malepart

Tel. Ouimet

J. Cloutier .'.

Thos. McCarthy

T. Lesage

Transfers.

One convict to Kingston

Grand Total.

$ cts.

0 70

1 10

2 50

1,606 21

5 80
11 32
55 37
83 59
27 50
168 36

351 94

95 95

47 25
4 95

48 75
17 50

1 20

2 00
0 20

217 80

32 95

88,553 74

G. S. Malepart,

Accountant.

TELESPHORE OUIMET,

Warden.

Department of Justice.

No. 20.

tatement showing cost of Maintenance of the St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary,
for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Expenditure for year ending 30th June, 1892,
' June 1891

including

material on

hand 30th

$ cts.

-s cts.

87,147 71

1,230 02

Cr.

881 00

1,123 87

32 95

59 60

2,429 33

51,081 50
3,950 00

By Discharge allowance

85,917 69

do clothing

4,526 75

81,390 94

•

55,031 50
26,359 44

Average number of convicts 353

do cost per capita for maintenance $ 230 56,

Yearly cost of each convict after deducting the value of labour. 72 6

Or, per diem per convict 0 204

TELESPHORE OUIMET,

Warden.

G. S. Mal£part

Accountant.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 21.
Dr. Balance Sheet, St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 30th June, 1891-92. Cr.

To Buildings, land, &c

Farm

Tailors

Shoe shop

Brickyard

Tinsmith

Hospitals

Carpenters

Armoury

Deputy warden's quarters

Protestant chapel

Storekeeper

Book bindery

Roman Catholic library . .

School

Blacksmiths

Bakery

Roman Catholic chapel . .

Stables

Warden's quarters

Protestant library

Engineer

Steward

Office furniture

Stonecutters

Balance

769.
1,
4

$ cts.

725 00
791 25
608 28
748 82
853 00
357 15
212 71
354 74
860 25
302 00
184 15
118 20
35 53
446 30
258 70
992 90
815 73
208 80
172 00
638 10
323 75
208 35
801 82
037 79
962 68

881,018 00

By Balance.

$ cts.
881,018 00

881,018 00

G. S. MalIspart,

Accountant.

TELESPHORE OUIMET,

Warden.

No. 22.

Statement of Days' Work in each Department for 1891-92, St. Vincent de Paul

Penitentiary.

Departments.

Days.

Price .

Amount .

Stonecutters, masons and excavators

21,103
7,873
6,932

12,027
l,722i
4,258-

23,710
1,209*
304"
4,863
7,307
8,664
1,095
1,095

cts.

50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50

% cts.

10,551 50
3,936 50
3,466 00
6,013 50 !

861 25

2,129 00

11,855 00

604 75

152 00

2,431 50

3,653 50 i

4,332 00

547 50

Carpenters

Shoemakers

Tailors

Tinsmiths

Blacksmiths

Steward

Bakery

Engineer

Stonebreakers, wood yard and jobbing

Boundary wall

Farm, garden and stables

Hospital orderlies

Chapels and libraries

51,081 50

TELESP1
G. S. MalSpart,

Accountant.

[ORE OU

1ME1
W

irden.

Department of Justice.

No. 23.

The Farm in account with the St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, for the Year

1891-1892.

Description.

Dr.

To Implements, seeds, tools and

fencing

0,530 days convict labour.. . .
1,200 days horse labour

1 keeper's salary

2 guards' do

1 farm instructor's salary . . .

Rate.

$ cts.

500 00

Amount.

cts.

700 57
3,208 00

600 00

000 00
1,000 00

700 00

6,928 57

Description

Ck.

By 3,600 bush, potatoes

600 do grain

7<>(> do turnips

300 do beets.

$ cts.

0 50

(i 50
0 40
0 40

250 do parsnips

500 do carrots

0 40
0 40

200 do tomatoes

0 80

1 00

800 do mangold

30 baskets cucumbers . . .

1,400 heads cabbage

5,000 stalks celery

0 30
0 00
0 04
0 04

8,586 lbs. pork

4,000 bdles. hay

0 07
0 08

4,000 do straw

0 04

1,000 do leeks. . .

0 08

500 loads manure

Balance

lv.lt'-.

Amount.

L,800 00
300 oo
280 00

120 00
100 00
200 00
160 00
180 00
240 00

18 00
560 00
200 00
001 02
320 00
160 00

80 00

122 00

200 00

127 67

1,159 88

6,928 57

Ed. Kenny,

Farmer.

TELESPHORE OUIMET,

Warden.
G-. S. MalSpart,

Accountant.

No. 24.
Summary of Real Estate, St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary, 30th June, 1891-1892.

Penitentiary buildings, lands, &c

Warden's house and premises ...

Brick do do

Water works, sewers and appurtenances

Stone house and premises

Prison walls and towers

Bridge

One terrace of 8 houses

Brick sheds and watchman's boxes

Two limekilns

Tramway and rolling stock

Drainage

New wall

$ cts.

620,625 00

12,000 00

1,500 00

10,500 00

1,000 00

7,500 00

1,500 00

10,000 00

1,000 00

600 00

19,000 00

25,000 00

60,000 00

769,725 00

G. S. Mal^part,

Accountant.

TELESPHORE OUIMET,

Warden.

5G Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. IS.) A. 1893

DORCHESTER PENITENTIARY.

No. 1.

ANNUAL REPORT OF THE WARDEN FOR THE YEAR ENDED

30th JUNE, 1892.

Dorchester Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report, with the necessary returns,
of the Dorchester Penitentiary, for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

On the 30th June, 1891, there remained 169 convicts ; received since, 72 males
and 4 females ; total 245. Discharged during the year, 69 males, and transferred to
Kingston Penitentiary 4 females, total 73, which left remaining at midnight on 30th
June, 1892, 172 prisoners, an increase of 3 over the previous year. The daily average
for the year was 170, a decrease of 5 over last year.

Our expenditure for the year was $43,464.94, leaving an unexpended balance
of $147.44.

The hay crop, on the marsh, was almost a total failure, necessitating the pur-
chase of considerable quantity. The marsh has been failing for years aud from all
the information I could gather I came to the conclusion that the marsh needed
flooding by the tide. I secured the consent of all the owners of the marsh in the
body in which ours is situated, to cut out the aboideaux and to make sufficient
openings in the dyke, to admit the flow of the tide over the marsh. These openings
were made in November and left open until the middle of June. Quite a deposit of
mud was left on the marsh, from which I expect good results for a number of years;
of course I do not expect very much hay this year.

The spruce lumber required to make butter tubs had to be purchased last year
instead of getting it off of our own "land as formerly — the supply having been
exhausted.

The large reservoir has been thoroughly overhauled and repaired, in the same
manner as the small one was two years ago.

The tailor and shoe shops have been enlarged and otherwise improved ; they
are now all that is required.

I have erected the new carriage house authorized by you on your last visit.

The wash-house is being repaired by putting up a brick wall behind and around
one side, a couple of feet higher than the tubs, the wooden walls having rotted down.
The ceilings I sheathed with pine boards ; the steam from the hot water while
washing continually destroyed the plaster and anew cement floor has been put down,
the old one not having been constructed in a proper manner in the first place.

The Minister having approved and authorized the building of a working kitchen
and wood shed to all the houses occupied by the officers of the staff the same as the
one I built last year and which met with your approbation, I will have them built
as fast as I can, building a couple each year.

I had a brush fence put around all our wilderness land and converted it into a
pasture for our young cattle. I have a gang of prisoners at work clearing up that
portion of it that will grow vegetables.

The rust struck our potatoes in August, before they had time to mature and a
large quantity of them rotted in the cellar during the winter, if this had not hap-
pened we would have had sufficient for our use.

We lost a very valuable brood-marc while in pasture on the marsh last summer.

Robert Welsh a young lad 14 years old, who was serving a seven years' sen-
tence, for manslaughter, died of consumption on the 11th January last. I learned

Department of Justice.

that he had, the day before his death, expressed a wish that his body could be interred
beside that of his mother, in Truro. I sent the body to Truro and telegraphed a
friend there to carry out the poor boy's wish.

The conduct of the prisoners has been very good.

Guard Samuel Barnes was retired on account of continued ill-health. Teamster
John McDougall was promoted to the position of guard and Thos. P. (lillespie was
appointed teamster.

I have very much pleasure in reporting that the services of the chaplains have
been most satisfactory and I know that they are doing good work. While on this
subject probably it would not be out of place if I were to put on record here, the
opportunities that prisoners have in this prison for reformation.

There are two chaplains, a Protestant and Roman Catholic. These gentlemen
have, in addition to their Sunday services, Bible class once a week, religious instruction
twice, and choir practice once. The sick are visited regularly by the chaplains.
There are a general and two religious libraries. Magazines and other good and use-
ful books are allowed to be received. There is school for an hour every week day,
which is wTell attended, to teach those who have not been fortunate enough to have
had this privilege before coming here. Young boys and middle aged men have come
here unable to read or write, who have gone away able to do both. Each prisoner
has a lamp in his cell until 9.30 in the evening, this gives them ample time to
study their lessons and do their reading. Their are eight trade instructors, and as
many as can be are taught trades. As much care is taken in their moral and reli-
gious training as is ordinarily exercised by a parent over his children. Altogether
I think the opportunities here for reformation will compare favourably with those
enjoyed in reformatories.

We have had those who were reared in orphan homes, religious schools and
reformatories, who were when they came here, which was only a few weeks after
their discharge from those institutions, as bad as the generality of those that come
here; therefore we must not be discouraged should some return for the second or
third time.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

JOHN B. FORSTER,
J. G. Moylan, Esq., Warden.

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893

No. 2.
DOECHESTEE PENITENTIAEY.

Per capita Cost of Convicts for the Year ended 30th June. 1892.

Daily average, 170.

Salaries

Retiring gratuity

Uniforms

Rations ..."

Convict clothing

Discharge clothing

do allowances

Bedding

Interments

Chapel

Libraries

Escapes

Hospital

Transfer of prisoners

Heating

Light

Repairs to buildings.

Maintenance of machinery.

Kitchen

Stationery .'

Queen's Printer

Farm and stables.

Telegrams

Postage

Freight

Express

Advertising

Interest

Telephone

Officer's quarters

Office furnishings

Travelling expenses

Industries

Cash

Expenditure

for

1891-92.

$ cts.

,820 53

617 96

,104 05

,895 28

,840 67

649 21

516 00

371 47

.7 72

155 15

66 92

35 88

342 46

250 75

444 35

314 72

280 66

464 29

261 03

100 81

54 40

,965 99

15 27

82 28

244 94

14 65

68 79

54 25

20 00

26 00
63 90

27 11
,287 45

43,464 94

Deduct
Stock on

hand
30th June.

1892.

$ cts.

430 17
406 14
869 44

107 82

191 44

69 15

28 72

1,896 92

3,999 80

Net Ex-
penditure

for
1891-92.

cts.

673 88

5,489 14

971 23

541 39

180 03

273 31

286 00

390 53

,805 51

Add Stock

on hand,

30th June,

1891.

$ cts.

314 47

1,148 96

823 40

42 46

23 62

106 70

350 00
24 23

2,613 76

5,447 60

Actual Cost

for

1891-92.

$ cts.

24,820 53

617 96

988 35

6,638 10

1,794 63

583 85

516 00

203 65

7 72

155 15

66 92

35 88

380 01

250 75

794 35

310 23

280 66

464 29

261 03

100 81

54 40

1,965 99

15 27

82 28

244 94

14 65

68 79

54 25

20 00

26 00
63 90

27 11
3,004 29

44,912 74

Per capita
Cost.

$ cts.
144 24|

3 m
5 8l|
39 0Z

10 5£
3 44^
3 01
1 20
0 04^
0 9l|
0 39^
0 21
2
1
4
1
1
2
1
0
0 32

11 5f
0

0 4£

1 44
0 08|
0

0 32
0 12
0 15
0 37| I
0 16

17 67^

262 44

Amount of revenue year ended 30th June, 1892 $ 2,836 55

Per capita cost $ 264 19

Deduct for revenue 16 69

Actual cost per capita $ 247 50

JOHN B. FOESTEE,

Warden.

John A. Gray,

Accountant.

Department of Justice.

No. 3.
EEPOET OF THtf PEOTESTANT CHAPLAIN.

Dorchester Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my report, as Protestant chaplain of the
Dorchester Penitentiary, for the year ending with the 30th June, 1892.

On that day there were 126 convicts, as against 117 on the corresponding day of
1891, and as against 119 on 30th June, 1890. I regret to add that statement shows
an increase of 5 percent upon any preceding year.

We have only the oft told tale of "the daily round, the trivial task," with few
circumstances of an unusual character, to diiferentiate one day or one year from
another. And yet, it is of the first moment that the ever recurring public services,
sermons, and addresses and private monitions shall retain spirit and freshness to give
them point and effect.

The voluntary attention, apart from the compulsory attendance, of the prisoners
during Divine service, as I have, in substance at least, said more than once before,
leaves little to be desired on that particular ; whilst anything like an actual breach
of decorum is entirely unknown.

I am not quite as well satisfied with the musical part of the service as I would
like to be, seeing we have frequent choir practice ; but the dissatisfaction I feel,
arises out of the frequently recurring removal of outgoing men who have been partly
trained, and whose places are filled by untrained prisoners. But, all said and done,
with such material as we have, we do the best that we can.

1 am glad to be able to say, that to refer to the General Library is the same
thing as to say that it is as satisfactory to my brother Chaplain as to myself ; and
that under Mr. Gray's management it is in better and smoother working condition
than it has ever been.

The same kind of statement must be made in any reference to the day school,
the showing of which is very good. The average attendance has shown since Mr,
Gray took charge of the school in 1889, a steady increase. In that year the average
attendance was 39*25 ; whereas, for the year just closed, it was 52*9. The school
discipline is perfect ; the pupils show much genuine interest in their work, and a
real desire to learn, from which, to some extent, may fairly be inferred some desire
to reform.

The appointment of a Eoyal Commission on the liquor traffic prompted me to
ascertain from the data at my command, the proportion of convicts who refer to
liquor as the cause of their crime. I found the proportion to be a slight fraction
over 41 per cent. This is lower than is generally or popularly supposed ; but, even
with this proportion, we find that outgoing men frequently change that statement,
and assign some other cause.

One convict under my charge died during the year. Some time before he died,
having professed repentance toward God, and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ,
I baptized him ; and, afterwards, at his own earnest desire, I administered the Holy
Communion to him, to his great comfort.

I continue to be debtor to all the officers, from the wTarden down, for uniform
courtesy, and readiness to help me whenever I require assistance.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. EOY CAMPBELL, "

Protestant Chaplain.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 18931

No. 4.
EEPOET OF THE KOMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN.

Dorchester Penitentiary, 1st September, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit to you my annual report for the year endedji
30th June, 1892, on which date I had 52 convicts inscribed on my register as against!
51 last year. Out of that number, 13 are preparing for their first communion; 5
have not yet been baptized but are under a course of instruction. During the year!
5 have been admitted for the first time to the sacrament of Holy Eucharist and 2 to!
baptism. The catechism class is weekly attended by 29, six of them unable to read.!
I had to set apart an hour during the week to teach them. These figures show that]:
the great majority of convicts are in a great need of religious instruction, the absence!
of which in most cases has led them here. When the amount of good to be done is]
so great, and, at the same time, the conditions are so favourable, it is not surprising
that a pastor of souls should express his satisfaction and the consolation he feels in]
ministering to such needs. In my last report I gave expression to this sentiment,
and I herein repeat it. The longer I remain in this field of labour the fonder I feelj
of my work and of the men under my charge. Of course it would be too much of a]
gratification could I state that they all reform or all work in that direction ; but it
is yet very pleasant to know that some do. Others amend to a certain extent, a]
very effective step to a fuller conversion ; whilst a few remain obdurate to the voice
of God and rebellious to his divine grace. In the course of the past year I heard
from four or five convicts, who wrote to me after their discharge from penitentiary,
that they had secured work, kept away from bad company, adopted good steady
habits and felt happy. They moreover expressed their gratitude to those who had|
been instrumental in directing their steps on the right path.

In the chapel, at catechism classes, in whatever occasion or place I have to meet]
the convicts, I must in justice say that, to a man, their behaviour is most commend-
able. Their attention and general demeanour during mass and public instructions ia|
praiseworthy, being rather filial than servile.

The choir, I am pleased to say, is growing more and more efficient and renders!
every Sunday the different chants of divine service in a manner at once admirable
and edifying. This is not surprising as organist and singers are indefatigable i]
their efforts to ensure this result by long and attentive rehearsals. Here I cannot refrain |
from paying you, Mr. Inspector, my tribute of thanks for your efforts, reiterated ii
your report of last year, to press strongly the just claims of the different organists]
to an increase of salary.

The libraries continue to be well conducted and books distributed regularly. II
was given to understand that the warden is to apply for a special grant to furnish!
the general library with some of the books selected conjointly by himself and!
chaplains ; and it will be, I feel certain, a necessary and profitable expenditure,
add yearly a few volumes to the Catholic library.

In conclusion we must all be thankful to you, Mr. Inspector, for your untiring
zeal in devising judicious ways to reform the criminal classes, as your last year's!
report is an ample proof. I was very favourably impressed with some of the sug-
gestions therein, which being put into effect would certainly accomplish the object!
in view. Neither can I pass over in silence what you yourself call a very goodi
suggestion in the report of the Protestant chaplain of Kingston when he says:
"That every convict should be paid what his work is actually worth; that the!
expenses of the institution should be charged against this at a just per capita rate.
This ought to give every man a personal interest in preventing waste, either of foodj
or material ; that every wife, child, mother or other person dependent on any con-
vict should have a lien on the surplus earnings of that convict remaining after sucl
deduction of expenses, amount of lien to be determined by circumstances in eacl
case ; that any further surplus should be divided equally between the Government

Department of Justice.

uhI the convict himself. From such an arrangement I would hope for several
lesirable results." Morally speaking I would venture to say that this plan, if put
nto execution, would have a most salutary influence over most convicts.

The uniform civility and gentlemanly demeanour of all the officials towards me
[ cannot ignore, and to mention it here is to show my high appreciation thereof.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant.

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

A. D. CORMIER, Priest,

Roman Catholic Chaplain.

No. 5.

REPORT OF THE SURGEON.

Dorchester Penitentiary, 30th September, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my report for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

The state of the institution is in the same good condition that has always pre-
vailed since it was opened twelve years ago; cleanliness, good ventilation and a pro-
3er temperature being its most marked characteristics.

The enlargement of the shoemaker's and tailor's shops is a most satisfactory
mprovement as regards health, and affords better facilities for good work ; there
>eing plenty of room and good light.

The water supply continues abundant, affording a full quantity for every desir-
ible purpose in the prison as well as supplying the officers' cottages.

The men have been employed largely this season in farming operations and other
>utside work which tends to keep them in good health. My experience has been
,hat there is nothing that is so conducive to health and contentment amongst
Drisoners as moderate systematic daily employment for all ; just and fair treatment to
he industrious and prompt discipline to the negligent. The lazy man is invariably
he one who complains most, and idleness tends to deprave even a good man.

The number of prisoners admitted this year has been larger than in any pre-
vious one — 72 males and 4 females. The physical condition was not as good as last
rear's admissions ; 9 lads came here at the age of 16, or under ; 7 between 40 and
10, and 2 over 60. We concluded our year's admissions by the reception of 2 dimi-
mtive Micmac Indians, aged respectively 10 and 11 years. A considerable number
)f those were suffering from syphilitic or kindred diseases on admission.

The general and physical condition of the convicts throughout the year has been
atisfactory. The number sent to hospital was 23 ; there was one death from con-
sumption. The number of applications for advice and treatment was 2,874. There
s included in the above applications, a considerable number of convicts who were
luffering from slight ailments, but were not so ill as to justify me in placing them
n hospital; and yet requiring medical treatment. We have not been visited by any
contagious disease and there have been no serious accidents.

Annexed are the tables showing the cases treated in the cells and hospital.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

r. Gr. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

ROBERT MITCHELL, M.D.,

Surgeon.

18—5

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Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

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No. b".
RH5PORT OF THE SCHOOLMASTER.

Dorchester Penitentiary, 30th September, 1892.

Sir. — I beg leave to submit my report as schoolmaster for the year ended 30th
June, 1892.

The daily average attendance during the year was 52*9, as compared with 52-08
for the year preceding, being an increase for the year just closed of#82; and this
notwithstanding the fact that the prison population of the latter year was 5 less
than for 1890-91. Were it not that so many men are employed during the summer
months on the farm and in winter gathering fuel, lumbering, &c, at such a distance
from the prison as to prevent them coming to the school, the attendance would be
somewhat larger than it really is.

Very considerable progress has been made by the large majority of those attend-
ing, and it is most encouraging to find many who, on first coming knew nothing
more than the alphabet, able, after a few months' attendance, to read, write, and
figure with a good deal of proficiency.

The conduct of those attending was — with very few exceptions — excellent, and
on only two occasions during the year was I obliged to dismiss a pupil for mis-
behaviour.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

JOHN A. GRAY,

Schoolmaster.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

18— 5*

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No. 8.

Statement of the Movements of Convicts at the Dorchester Penitentiary during
the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Remaining at 12 p.m., 30th June, 1891.
Received since —
From common jails -.

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By expiration of sentence

Pardon

Death

Escape

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Sessional Papers (No. 18.)
No. 10.

A. 1893

Eeturn of Convicts who were pardoned out of the Dorchester Penitentiary during

the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Name.

Crime.

Where convicted.

Larceny

do *

St. John, N.B.

Geo. M. Lee

Wounding to prevent arrest

do do

Forgery

Frederictou, N.B.

Newton Lee

Halifax, N.S.

St. John, N.B.

Larceny

Halifax, N.S.

Robert Davis

Wounding

St. John, N.B.

Truro, N.S.

do ...

Arthur Armondale

Shooting with intent to kill

Bigamy

Annapolis, N.S.
Amherst, N.^.

W. H. Crossman

No. 11.

List of Convicts who have Died in the Dorchester Penitentiary during the Year

ended 30th June, 1892.

Name.

Crime.

Where convicted.

Robert Welsh

Manslaughter

Truro, N.S.

No. 12.

List of Convicts who were recommitted to the Dorchester Penitentiary during

the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Name.

Recommitment.

Alexander Conners

First recommitment.

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First do
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Thomas Davidson

John McKenna

Henry Await

Charh-s Stew ait

• I<h.'|,|i Harris

Henrj Brown

Department of Justice.

No. 13.

Criminal Statistics of prisoners remaining in the Dorchester Penitentiary on the

30th June, 1892.

Sentence.. . .

Nationality.

Description.

Larceny

Burglary and larceny

Assault and robbery

Shooting with intent

Attempted rape

Manslaughter

Forgery

Rape

Burglary

Arson

Obstructing railway

Murder

Buggery

Assault

Receiving stolen goods

Attempt to murder

Sending threatening letter. .

House-breaking

Robbery

Horse- stealing

Bigamy .

Procuring abortion

Fraud

Malicious injury to property

2 years
24 do
2h do
2j& do

3 do
3J do

4 do

5 do

6 do

7 do

8 do

9 do

10 do

11 do

12 do

14 do

15 do

16 do
20 do
25 do
28 do
Life

White

Coloured . . . . 0

Canadian

English

Irish

172

154

172

137

Nationality

Age.

Religion . . .

Occupation

Description.

Scotch

United States.
Newfoundland
West Indies. .

France

Germany

Under 15 years

15 to 20 do

20 to 30 do

30 to 40 do

40 to 50 do

50 to GO do

60 to 70 do

Over 70 do

Roman Catholic. . .
Church, of England

Baptist

Methodist

Presbyterian

Protestant. J

Congregationalist . .

Labourers . .

Sailors

Barbers

Shoemakers .
Stonecutters

Clerks

Plasterers . . ,
Carpenters . .
Butchers

Soldiers

Millwright .

Stoker

Blacksmith .
Plumber
Machinist. .

Dyer

Teacher ....

Cook..

Druggist

Painter

Weaver

Baker

Steamfitter .
Shipwright

172

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No. 13.— Criminal Statistics of prisoners in Dorchester Penitentiary, &c. — Conclud.

Description.

Civil Condi
tion

Province.
Nova Scotia.

New Bruns-
wick

Married . . . . '

Single

Widowers

County

Halifax

Cumberland

Colchester

Queen's

Pictou

Inverness

Hants

Annapolis

Cape Breton

Lunenburg

Antigonish

Digby

King's

Guysboro'

Westmoreland

St. John

131

172

109

Description.

Province.

New Bruns-
wick

P. E. Island,

Total by Pro-

Co unty

Albert

Charlotte

Madawaska

Northumberland. .

King's

Victoria

Carleton

Restigouche

York

Kent

Queen's.

Prince

King's

Nova Scotia.

New Brunswick.. . .
P. E. Island...

109
49
14

172

Department of Justice.

No. 14.

Return showing Punishments awarded in the Dorchester Penitentiary during the

Year ended 30th June, 1892.

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September

October

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December

1892.

January

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4

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March

8
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April

May

June

No. 15.

Return showing Remission Time earned during the Year by Convicts remaining in
the Dorchester Penitentiary on 30th June, 1892.

No.

Days .

No.

Days.

Convicts earned

120
119
118
117
116
115
113
110
107
105
90
85

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7

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4
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Sessional Papers (No. 18.)
No. 16.

A. 1893

.Return showing employment of convicts in the Dorchester Penitentiary as on 30th

June, 1892.

How employed.

Carpenter shop

Blacksmith shop

Shoe shop..

Tailor shop

Machine shop

Pail making

Saw-mill

Bakery

Stables and teamsters
Farm.

No.

How employed.

Building dyke . . .
Working in yard.

Prison work

Kitchen

Sick

Hospital

Idle

No.

Total.

172

No. 17.

Return of the value of labour, exclusive of materials, on work done in the Dor-
chester Penitentiary, for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Various departments.

Carpenter shop

Tailor shop

Shoe shop

Blacksmith shop

Machine shop

Bakery

Saw-mill

Wooden manufactures

Farm

Stables and teamsters

Cutting and hauling firewood.

Boiler room

Work on dyke

Kitchen

Waiters and cleaners

Washing

Barber

General work around yard . . .

$ cts.

1,366 50

2,525 50

1,223 00

525 00

571 00

466 50

2,604 50

2,393 50

1,628 50

2,141 50

1,779 50

290 00

551 00

964 50

1,967 50

645 50

127 50

1,608 50

23,379 50

Department of Justice.

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No. 19.

DOECHESTER PENITENTIARY.

Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

A. 1893

Staff Salaries.

Warden, John B. Forster

Deputy warden, Charles Ross

Accountant and schoolmaster, John A.

Gray

Surgeon, Robert Mitchell

Protestant chaplain, Rev. J. R. Camp-
bell

Roman Catholic chaplain, Rev. A. D.

Cormier

Roman Catholic chaplain, Rev. A. D.

Cormier, arrears

Storekeeper and steward, John Eraser.

Engineer, James A. Piercy

Hospital overseer, F. A. Landry

Carpenter instructor, Charles Miller. . .

Blacksmith do John Downey. . .

Shoemaker do Nathan Tattrie . .

Tailor do Wm, R. Burns . .

Woodenware do Wm. Hogan ....

do do do arrears

do ^,do Henry Godsoe. . .

do do do arrears

Parmer, A. B. Pipes

Keeper, John Johnston

Messenger, James McDougall

Guards, 13 at $500

do 1 at 500, 3 months

do 1 at 430

do 3 at 400

do 1 at 400, 9 months

Teamster, 1 at $300, 11 months 17 days.
Special matron, Mrs. Forster

Retiring Gratuity.

Samuel Barnes

Uniforms.

551| yards serge

45^ do frieze

7 do broadcloth

lOi do doeskin.. .

94f do coat canvas

107 do twilled cotton. . . .
115i do grey do ....

121 J do Italian cloth

51^ do corduroy

141 do fancy silesia

52 do black do

107 do cottonade

7 do tweed

52£ do fancy wool lining.

5 do sleeve lining

4 gross buckles

1 do braid

1 1 do stay tape

0 tape lines

L2 reels twist

2 do/., machine silk

2 ll.s. do

1 ,; His. sewing silk

35 fui- caps

.'5 \ cloth caps

7 tfross brass buttons

253 lbs. sol,, leather

73 pairs boot and shoe uppers

$ cts.

2,400 00
1,300 00

1,200 00
1,200 00

GOO 00

600 00

158 38
860 00
900 00
700 00
700 00
700 00
700 00
600 00
660 00

70 00
660 00

70 00
660 00
600 00
550 00
6,500 00
124 98
430 00
1,200 00
300 00
285 53

91 34

24,820 53

322 12

29 57

34 30

18 38

13 23

13 36

6 93

57 68

20 70

17 72

6 11

29 22

4 90

17 32

2 90

(i 85

13 30

1 61

1 00

9 00

16 00

15 00

15 51

130 00

43 00

31 75

53 13

110 40

Rations — Concluded.

73 lbs. nails

1 doz. sheepskins

66 lbs. kipskins

1 side welt leather

1 side grain leather

1 doz. red lining skins

3 rolls boot webbing

2 boxes chalk

Rations.

907 lbs. tea, at 19c

3,652 do sugar, at 6c

4,116 do oatmeal, at 3c. . . .
5,000 do coarse salt, at ^c. .

125 do pepper, at 17c

1,969 do onions, at 3ic

45 qtls. codfish, at $4.50

17 brls. mess pork, at $17.50.

25,289 lbs. beef, at 6ic

13 brls. herring, at $4

115 galls, vinegar, at 20c. . . .
393 do molasses

531^ lbs. tobacco, at 35c . . .
1,539 do beans, at 3£c

5 bags fine salt

672 lbs. rice, at 3|c

400 brls. flour, $5.68

29 lbs. hops, at 50c

50 do malt, at 6c

392 do barley, at 2^c

4 brls. peas, at $5. . ."

420 lbs. butter, at 20c

6 brls. cornmeal, at $3.25. . .
400 bush, potatoes, at 40c. . .
'Xmas extras

Convict Clothing.
l,011f yds. grey flannel, at 40c

do grey tweed, at 44c

do black and grey tweed, at 50c

do coat canvas. . .

do drilling

do grey cotton . . .

do twilled cotton.

do holland

do corduroy

do French canvas

do jean

do white duck . .

do osnaberg

161 straw hats

10 pairs moccasins

6 doz. handkerchiefs .

3 gross buckles

3 do stay tape

do pant buttons. .
lbs. sewing silk.. . .

do linen thread. .

do yarn

do drafting paper

do beeswax

do sole leather . . .

do wax do
5!)} do calfskin

323^
403
96^
124*

408i

228"

7f
14H

56 "

8.',

10
36

210£

30^

2,087
520

Department of Justice.

No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

Convict Clothing Concluded,

2 sides welt leather

3 doz. sheepskins

1 gross square awls

.~> do sewing do

loo ll.s. zinc nails

50 do hungarian nails

1 do bristles

50 do iron nails

18 do shoe thread

(i do toe tacks

B gross lasting tacks

24 pairs lasts

1 doe. rasps

(i pairs boot-forms

10 boxes eyelets

6 crimping machines

2 doz. bottles burnishing ink.

1 do shoe rasps

1 lb. hard ash

Repairs to sewing machines

Subscription to Tailor's Journals.

I) ischa rge Cloth ing

522f yds. tweed

11!! do hoiland

44. \ do Italian cloth

90 do coat canvas

110! do silesia

6 do braid

22 do linen thread

24 gross buttons

1 lb. silk reels

12 reels twist

22 doz. handkerchiefs

5jt do neckties

7 do pairs braces

0£ do felt hats

Ik do caps

Gj\ do undershirts

6^ do drawers

6& do cotton shirts

32 lbs. drafting paper

2 bales wadding

44 calfskins

12 sheepskins

10 lbs. toe tacks

1,000 needles

Discharge Allowances.

1 convict at $ 5

27 do 6

5 do 7

HI do 8....

3 do 9

B do 10

3 do 15

$ cts .

9 00

10 60
2 00

7 25

11 00
6 00

0 80
2 50

10 20

1 50

0 54
10 20

2 50
4 00
2 00
2 50
4 80
2 50

8 00

1 96
10 00

1,840 07

270 83
14 28

20 03
13 44
12 90

0 00
24 00
17 72

7 50

10 37

21 80

8 45

11 69
41 66

4 90

39 00

40 13
37 09,

2 56
10 00
33 00

3 50
2 50

1 20

649 21

Bedding.

100 blankets at $1.80. .

160 yds. ticking

543 do forfar sheeting at 27c
350 do towelling at 6Ac . ...

5 00
162 00
35 00
152 00
27 00
90 00
45 00

516 00

180 00
22 11

146 61
22 75

371 47

Interments.

Clothing and coffin fittings . .
Expressage of body to Truro.

Chapel.

Wine, altar, bread and candles

Washing altar linen

Catechisms, beads and scapulars

Church ornaments

Flambeaux,' &c

Roman Catholic organist Mrs. LeBlanc
Protestant organist, Miss Forster

Libraries.

50 lbs. junk board, at 6c

2 copies Life Leo XIII

1 do Sir John A. Macdonald.

45 volumes

Subscription to St. John Sun

do Empire . . .

Escapes.

Expenses on search for escaped convict
Peters

Hospital.

85 lbs. biscuits

2 do coffee

50 do granulated sugar

It? doz. oranges. :

2 do' oysters

66 do eggs

179| lbs. butter

61 yds. white cotton

4 doz. knives and forks

1 box sponges

8 rolls batting

1 doz. tumblers

1 do pairs spectacles

3 catheters

2 yds. plaster

Drugs and medicines

Transfer of Prisoners.

2 transfers to Kingston Penitentiary
Heating.

7 tons hard coal

137^ do s°ft coal

1 old stove

12 boiler couplings

Grate linings

Light

1245| ! galls, oil at 20c.
30 oil barrels at 60c .

2 lamps

6 lanterns

37 doz. chimneys . . .

6 do burners

4 gross wicks

10 do matches . . . .

9 cts .

1 78

2 94

7 72

22 00
6 oo
4 00
12 00
11 15
50 oo
50 00

155 15

3 00

8 00

6 00

3S 92

5 00

6 00

66 92

35 88

9 09
0 80

3 50
0 73
0 30
9 61

33 92
6 99

4 26
3 00

0 40

1 20
1 20

1 25

2 05
264 16

342 46

250 75

38 65

393 69

1 50

4 60

5 91

444 35

249 25

18 00

6 15

4 50

20 40

10 02

3 40

3 00

314 72

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 19. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30lh June, 1892 — Continued-

Repairs to Buildings

5 brls. cement

16 casks lime

6 brls. coal tar

2 brls. charcoal

6 boxes glass

16 locks

8 door latches

204 lbs. galvanized iron . .

9 kegs spikes

6 kegs nails

12 gross screws

51 lbs. solder

1 jackplane

2 augers

3 lbs. borax

473 lbs. tarred paper

1 doz. pencils

7 pairs hinges

16 whitewash brushes

12 doz. brushes

Rope, hose and couplings.

Tape and cord

Repairing prison roof. . . .

$ cts.

Ma intenance of Mach inery.

1 burr machine

1 turning machine

1 wiring do

1 pair stock shears

1 pair elbow bench shears

1 stove pipe former

,2 soldering irons

42 galls, cylinder oil

171 f galls, black oil

1 side lace leather

1 vise

129 lbs. lead pipe

7 com]), bits

2 bags fire clay

1 brl. calc. plaster

Repairs to saws

18 stop-cocks

10 iron castings

2 brass cocks..

1 doz. saw blades

Rivets and solder

41 couplings and pulleys

1 set Morse drills

265 11 >8. sheet lead

1 set stencil letters

24 ft. belting

25 lbs. boat nails

40 lbs. steel

1 doz. axes

1 clock

25 lbs. dry red lead

34 lbs. black lead packing

116 Lbs. sheet lead

99 ll»s. ties

100 ll.s. drier

1 doz. scoops ". . . .

40 II is. yellow metal

!»2 lbs. galvanized sheet iron

500 saw teeth

Hose couplings and ties

Kitchen.

'J, c.io |i,s. common soap, 4!c,

29 His. castile soap

8 doz. toilet soap

(5
50

55
93
64

s,s

93 !

08 |

280 66

464 29

118
3
4

Kitch en — Concluded.

10 tin dishes

6 doz. dippers

10 doz. pans

6 doz. plates

16 doz. spoons

12 sets knives and forks

18 doz. brooms

784 lbs. sal-soda

6 fly traps.

6 doz. mirrors

1 box tin for pans, &c

Tableware for officers' mess. .

Stationery

From Stationery Office .
2 packing cases

Queen's Printer.
Printing account books and forms .
Farm and Stables.

1 Acme harrow

; 1 springtooth harrow

\ 1 cultivator

I 1 road scraper

\ 1 pupg..

3 pairs hickory oxbows

3 oil-cloth covers

1 tripod harrow

1 seed sower

1 cutter grindstone

1 riding saddle

32 lbs. harness leather

Repairs to harness

Repairs to waggon . ...

Rope

Hay and garden seeds

75 lbs. horse-shoe nails

Plough fittings

Mowing machine fittings

Hay rakes and forks

6 scythes

44 baskets

23 brls. cornmeal

4 doz. axe handles

Shoeing horses

Services of stallions

12 horse brushes

12 curry combs .

24 dyke spades

24 potato forks

17 lbs. chain

6 shovels

2,473^ bushels oats

11 do barley

2 do buckwheat

36 tons hay

16 do grass-standing

Legal expenses — Turner marsh
Fertilizer

Miscellaneous.

Telegrams. . ,

Postage

Freight

Express
Advertising.

261 03

99 81
1 00

100 81

54 40

Department of Justice.

^o. 19. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Concluded,

Miscellaneous Concluded.

llttTcst

'( lephone

quarters

)ffioe furnishings

Travelling Expenses.
John B. Forster

Industries.

! 0,400 lbs. black hoop iron, g in .
12 lbs. do lin.
i,352 lbs. galv. do § in .
5,464 lbs. do do fin.
§2,000 tinned rivets

2,0844 ^)S- 'ron w*re

• reams sand-paper

LOO lbs. cut tacks

8 cts.

54 25
20 00
26 oo
68 90

590 08

27 11

393 25

3 92

117 60

142 18

16 60

72 21

19 50

13 50

Industries Concluded.

4 doz. axes

2 pairs shears

147 galls, paint oil

173 do turpentine

41 do varnish

40| do japan

4,374 lbs. dry white lead

200 lbs. exhibition red

100 lbs. patent dryer

1,364 lbs. whiting

Brushes

1,547 lbs. zinc

37,205 ft. pine logs

121,524 ft. spruce

400 logs

3 cords birch

Total

S cts .

6 75

7 21

91 47

99 17

:;:; 00

28 55

208 29

40 00

7 60

8 45

11 70

107 78

316 23

442 H4

92 00

7 50

2,287 45

43,464 94

18—6

56 Victoria.

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A. 18!

Dr.

No. 20.
Balance Sheet, Dorchester Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Land

Buildings..

Armoury

Mason

Chapel

Library

Machinery

Hospital

Officers' quarters

School

Office furniture . .
Prison do
Carpenter shop. .
Blacksmith do . .
Shoe do . .

Tailor do . .

Farm

Industries

Storekeeper

Steward

Baker

Customers

$ cts.

20,800 00

367,000 00

808 50

83 60

1,274 44

313 50

3,352 45

597 93

1,121 25

32 25

966 25

6,189 51

762 34

407 31

272 44

742 74

5,302 83

1,896 92

3,164 78

237 93

186 16

263 06

421,776 19

Balance

$ I
421,776

421,77(

Department of Justice.

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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 22.
Library Return of the Dorchester Penitentiary for the Year ended 30th June, 189'

General library

Protestant library

Roman Catholic library

Total Number
of Volumes
in Library.

540
224

308

1,072

Number

added during

Year.

101

Number of
Convicts who
used Books.

138

105

288

Total Numb,
of issues
during Yeai

7,176
2,730
1,170

11,076

Department of Justice.

MANITOBA PENITENTIARY.

e,l>

No. 1.

1 REPORT OF THE WARDEN FOP THE YEAR ENDED 30tii JUNE, 1892.

Manitoba Penitentiary,

Stony Mountain, 30th September, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report for fiscal year ended 30th
Tune, 1892.

The movements of inmates for the year have been as follows : —

Convicts remaining 30th June, 1891 71

Received since 36

107
Discharge during the year 32

Remaining 30th Jane, 1892 75

Lunatics remaining 30th June, 1892 39

Total inmates 30th June, 1892 114

Daily average of convicts 69-98

do lunatics 44*48

do inmates 114*46

The above is a slight decrease of returns of last year.

The expense of the institution, I am glad to say, shows a decrease; the gross
expenditure for the year ending June, 1891, being $50,120.57 against $45,401.34 for
this year — a decrease of $4,719.57, or $67.40 per convict.

This saving has been made under heads of rations, clothing, hospital, postage,
telegrams, printing and stationery, travelling allowance and light.

Considerable improvements have been made in the security of the prison: three
outside doors — one in main prison building, another in laundry passage and a third
in laundry building — have been bricked up as unsafe and unnecessary; several
windows have had their iron protection strengthened. Two strong iron gates have
been erected, one across the main hall entrance and the other in basement passage
immediately below, cutting off any possible escape by way of accountant and store-
keeper's offices.

The prison wall to be constructed will complete the protection necessary for
such an institution.

Upon my recommendation the Minister has directed the moving of the dry shed
to points where it can be put to practical use. The building is 150 feet in length
and was formerly used as a rink, and it has now been cut in two unequal portions ;
1 one part of 90 feet has already been moved to the farm-yard and has been filled with
hay for winter consumption. The remaining 60 feet will shortly be placed near the
Canadian Pacific Railway depot to serve as a coal shed, the railway authorities
having granted a site for the building.

In the past our coal was dumped from the cars into the snow or water as the
case might be. There was considerable waste in this method. Our shed will obviate
this in future and will also save labour in loading and teaming. Heretofore the

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893

coal was hauled to the farm-yard and stored, from whence it had to be reloaded and
teamed to points inquired. This second handling will now be unnecessary as the
coal will remain in the shed at the depot until required and then hauled direct to
points where needed.

The farm has been very much extended since my taking charge, when only 45
acres were cultivated; this year we have taken crop off 89 acres — 45 acres oats, 2*7
barley, 13 potatoes, 4 flax and turnips. About 34 acres of new land have been broken,
which will make a total of 123 acres for next year's crop.

The above produce is intended for rearing and fattening about 100 hogs for
prison consumption ; the pork obtained in this way will cost about 4 cents per pound!
as against 8 and 9 cents paid to contractors. The saving in this direction will bej
considerable. We have already a fine lot of pigs, but the numbers are not what they
should be owing to the havoc made by hog cholera last fall. We expect, however,
to kill five tons of pork this fall.

By direction of the Minister tho reserve has been inclosed with a wire fence,
with the exception of a small openning left on the north-east corner adjacent to the!
village of Stony Mountain. A road is thus left through the reserve. It would not
be out of place for me to mention here that the municipality of Eockwood have]
petitioned the department for a right of way through the penitentiary land. If
this be granted and the road located where desired, 12 acres of our best farm land,]
and already under cultivation, will be taken away. To my mind the travelling public)
will be in no way benefited, as the proper road allowance skirting the west
side of the reserve is the direct road between Winnipeg and all points north of the!
Mountain. In support of my statement it will be sufficient to mention that a hotel,]
stables and stores are now under construction near the Canadian Pacific Eailwayj
depot at Stony Mountain, and on this road allowance, the spot being chosen as the]
best location for the convenience of travellers. The benefit of a road through the
reserve would be confined entirely to the village of Stony Mountain, and would be
useless unless the expropriation of the road were continued a distance of 13 miles to|
Winnipeg — an expensive matter for the mere object of saving of a quarter of a mile,
necessary to get on the road allowance above referred to instead of coming through!
the reserve.

The cesspool receiving drainage from the quarters occupied by the chaplaine
and surgeon has been offensive, especially to the Eoman Catholic chaplain, in frontj
of whose door it was located. I have therefore had the course of the drain altera
and the cesspool removed to about 100 yards farther south.

The meat contractor having to slaughter his animals elsewhere has clearec
away another cause of the offensive smells, at one time prevalent around the prisorl
buildings.

The lemoval of the insane at an early date will be a step in the right direction;]
the patients themselves will benefit greatly by the change. Their return here ir|
l«w88 was a mistake, which four years' experience has too well proven. After theii
removal the hospital building will be free for some other use. The upper flat woul
serve admirably for tailor and shoe shops — the lower floor would afford more thai
ample accommodation for our convict sick.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Tour obedient servant,

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

GEO. L. FOSTEE,

Warden.

Department of Justice.

No. 2.

Statement showing Cost per capita for 1891 and 1892.

I >aily average, 7<».

Expenditure.

alaries...

rratuitu s

informs.

itions

othing

Bcharge clothing

^veiling allowance and gratul

•■■ Iding

lospital

Chapels

Cscapes

i library
It 'pairs to buildings
(tables

Mtchen

arm

Maintenance of machinery

[eating

^ight

Vrmoury

' encmg

Jueen's Printer and stationery.
Felegrams

Express charges

Freight

Advertising

Travelling expenses

,'Vttornies fees

Special service

[Transfer of convicts

Justice fees

il'hoto camera

Telephone

ppecial furnishing

Jhristmas extras

Total

Cash
Expenditure

fori Si II
and 1892.

$ cts.

19,833 76
671 92

770 72
7,406 19
1,900 46

367 49

(174 US
326 36
597 94
169 21
330 58

70 30

1,136 96

1,103 37

387 45

301 47

60 10
6,702 89
190 65
3 40
321 30
410 65
382 32

84 24

77 89

39 98
260 27

80 07

43 45
7 00

72 35
198 65

12 00

7 52

135 00

232 40

32 02

45,403 01

( Add

Stock on
Hand,

1891.

% cts

432 16

452 is

453 is
88 76

199 97
13 00

275 30
60 00
70 42

77 98

873 75
476 32

78 65
12000

3,671 97

Total Ex

pendil ure

for is«. H

and L892.

0 cts.

L9,833 76

671 92

1,202 88

7,858 67

2,353 64

456 25

674 68

326 36

7'. '7 91

182 21

330 58

70 30

1,412 26

1,1(53 37

457 87

379 45

60 10

' 7,576 64

66(5 97

3 40

399 95

410 65

502 32

84 24

77 89

39 98

260 27

80 07

43 45

7 00

72 35

198 65

12 00

7 52

135 00

232 40

32 02

49,074 98

1 )l'(|ll(t

Stock,
Sales, As}
luni Sup
plies, &c.

■S cts.

2,460 on

17:; 21
1,770 is
1,174 74

120 til

"37*38

99 19

212 59
37 60

161 74
35 25

1,555 67
269 62

"6 75'
11600

2 10

11,220 36

.\.t Cash

'. pendil ure Per capita

for is; 11
and 1S92.

s cts.

17,373 76

671 92

1,029 67

3,088 00

1,178 90

336 21

(574 68
288 98
(ilis 72
182 21
303 58

70 30

1,199 67

1,125 77

296 13

344 20

60 K)
6,020 97
397 35
3 40
399 20
410 65
392 32

84 24

77 89

39 98
258 17

80 07

43 45
7 00

72 35
198 65

12 00

7 52

135 00

232 40

32 02

37,854 62

( lost.

540 78

Net cash expenditure , $37,854 62

Per capita cost $ 540 78

Less — For balance paid by the Department of Interior on

account of insane patients $11,107 47

Cash revenue 1,017 51

12,124 98

Net expenditure $25,729 64

Net cost per capita per annum $ 367 56

Per convict per diem $ 1 00

P. McGowan.

Accountant.

GEO. L. FOSTEK,

Warden.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 189)

No. 3.

REPORT OF THE PROTESTANT CHAPLAIN.

Manitoba Penitentiary,

Stony Mountain, 22nd August, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report of Protestant prisoners i
this penitentiary for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

Number on books, 30th June, 1891 45

do received during year 25

do discharged by expiration of sentence. 18

do transferred to Kingston penitentiary... 3

do escaped 2

do pardoned 1

do remaining on books, 30th June., 1892 46

Showing an increase of 1 over last year. Of this number there are 45 male and
female convict. The latter being a girl not 15 years of age when received, who*
tender age suggests that had there been a reformatory for federal convict
there she should have been sent, rather than to associate with criminals of a moi
hardened type.

The usual Sunday services have been regularly performed. In addition to th
instruction thus given, early in January I opened, a bible class, inviting all convicl
present, who cared to do so, to attend. The warden kindly placed a room at m
disposal, and provided a suitable guard. I have met with much encouragement froi
this venture, as evidenced from the steady increase both in point of numbers attendin
as well as deep earnestness manifested in those subjects under discussion. I earnest!
pray God may continue to vouchsafe His blessing on our little gatherings, so thi
much spiritual good may be realfzed and experienced by all those attending. Th
attendance at our first gathering was 10, now it is 33. Perfect order and decorui
obtains at these meetings.

On Sunday, 26th June, at the regular morning service, an adult Indian unde
sentence of death, was, after due preparation and at his own request, received int
the church by the solemn rite of baptism. Under the special circumstances of th
man's crime, and the short time to elapse before the sentence was to take effect,
was a most solemn and trying service, felt equally by myself and all those presen
By the intervention of the public, generally, a petition for commuting his sentenc
to life was prepared, and owing to the apparent circumstances surrounding the cas<;
was granted by the Governor General.

The conduct of those attending my ministrations has, with one exception, bee
all that could be desired. The exceptional case is that of an illiterate and stubbor
negro. From the time of his inception here, he has been a " thorn in the flesh," nc
only as regards his spiritual affairs, but also in respect of almost every rule of th
prison. Every argument known has been used with this man in order to bring hii
to view things in a proper light, but with little success. His case is now, I unde
stand, under consideration with the object of transferring him to Kingston. SpeaJ
ing only in regard to his spiritual condition I am led to think, that if not insane o
this subject, that he is a most hopeless and desperate case.

Considerable disappointment was felt by the convicts in not being allowed, fo
some reason or another, to have (as was usual upon all similar occasions) theij
chapel decorated with evergreens, &c, on Christmas. The small expenditure fo
such was so trivial that I earnestly hope in future it will warrant the department i
even acceding to this plea of a time-honoured custom, if nothing more, on the great
est day of all to those who bear the name of Christians.

Department of Justice.

The school and library continue to do most useful work under the painstaking
care and solicitude of Mr. Bourke and his assistants. As has been previously men-
tioned, only the elementary subjects are generally taught. Still we find, that not a
few young men who are unfortunate to be sent here, having long sentence to servo,
who are thoroughly versed in these simpler subjects, are yet desirous ot prosecuting
their studies to a higher degree. Mr. Bourke is ever ready to go out of his way, by
lending his own books and drawing from others, in order that their desires may be
gratified. I would strongly uige that Mr. Bourke be allowed to obtain such books
not in stock as he may require, with every due regard to economy, for such deserv-
ing convicts.

The choir continues its good work, under many difficulties (proverbial in all
choirs, but more especially found to be so in prisons) by the persistent efforts of Mr.
Deuden.

By permission of the warden, I have had the assistance from time to time, of
Rev. W. A. Burman, principal of Rupert's Land Indian Industrial School, in minis-
tering to those Indians assigned to my care. To this gentleman and true friend of
the Indian I owe a very great debt of gratitude.

Last but not least, I have with much regret to refer to some interference in
their religious convictions felt by those regularly assigned to my care, and to ven-
ture to suggest a remedy for obviating all such painful matters if I may be allowed,
in the future.

There is no need for me to enter into details of interference here, other than
mention the mere fact. No end can be gained thereby. Therefore I would respect-
fully suggest, trusting it may meet with your earnest consideration if not approval,
that when any convict is convicted and sentence is to be passed on him by the pre-
siding judge, that before leaving the prisoner's dock, the judge or sheriff, ascertain
his religious persuasion and that this be signed by such officer and forwarded by
judge or sheriff along with the customary commitment papers, to be handed over to
those responsible for the safe custody of such — and that this shall in all cases be
held an official declaration of his or their belief, except when sincerely and earnestly
convinced to the contrary, to be determined by the minister or inspector.

Much difficulty and embarrassment would I think in this way be spared the
wardens, and certainly all of the chaplains would accept it as a most fair and equit-
able solution of what is often a vexed subject. Good-will and the kindest relations
would or should then exist from one officer to another.

In conclusion, sir, I beg to renew my thanks to all those officers who have
assisted me in the discharge of my duties.

I am sir, your obedient servant,

ARTHTJK W. GOULDING/b.D.,
J. G. Moylan, Esq., Protestant Chaplain.

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

No. 4.
REPORT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN.

Manitoba Penitentiary, Stony Mountain, 13th August, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to forward my annual report for the fiscal year ended
the 30th day of June last.

At the end of the year there were some 25 convicts under my charge. It is
about the same number I had the year before.

In a general way those I had have given me satisfaction.
I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant

G. CLOUTIER, Ptre,
J. G. Moylan, Esq., Chaplain.

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

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No. 5.

REPORT OF THE SURGEON.

Manitoba Penitentiary, Stony Mountain, 25th August, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report for the year ended 30th
June, 1892.

I have to report no cases of severe illness, no accidents of a serious nature and
no deaths. My department, under the efficient management of hospital overseer
Bourke, furnishes nothing specially important calling mention here.

The insane still under my care have received every attention which it is
possible to give them here.

Number of days in hospital 487

The warden has been kind in his attention to the sick, for which he has my
thanks.

The usual returns are hereto appended.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

W. R. D. SUTHERLAND, M.D.,

Surgeon.

Annual Return of Sick treated in Hospital, Manitoba Penitentiary, from 1st July,

1891, to 30th June, 1892.

Disease.

Biliousness '

Burn

Conjunctivitis

Diarrhoea

Debility, nervous

Dyspepsia

Epilepsy

Gumboil

Insomnia

Neuralgia

Nephritis

Rheumatism

Rheumatic arthritis. .

Syphilis

Sprain

Toothache

Wound

Total...

W. R. D. SUTHERLAND, M.D.,

Surgeon,

Department of Justice.

No. 6.
KEPOET OF THE SCHOOLMASTER.

Manitoba Penitentiary, 22nd August, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual school report. The enrolled attend-
jance for the year was 23. In addition to this number, many convicts not attending
school are permitted the use of school books, and nearly all of both classes exhibit
the same desire to improve which I have noticed in former reports. It is difficult
ko estimate the amount of good being done by school and library. Apart from the
use to which the knowledge acquired here may be applied later on, the attention
iwhich a convict gives to study, especially when he finds he is making good progress,
has a tendency to remove that melancholy, meditative disposition peculiar to convict
life. I regret to have to repeat that many of those attending school arc mere youths,
Ito whose moral improvement penitentiary associations are not favourable.

Itfrequently happens that a young convict comes here who has a fair knowledge
of the elementary English branches of learning. He sees before him a long term of
j imprisonment and desires very naturally to pursue his studies further. To meet the
requirements of those cases, 1 havo supplied from my own private library as well as
from that of the Protestant chaplain text books on the more advauced branches. I
I desire to express my thanks to the Rev. Mr. Goulding for his kindness in this
matter. I would respectfully recommend that the school be supplied with such text
books on advanced branches as the schoolmaster may deem necessary.

I must express my gratitude to the warden, Mr. Foster, for the warm interest
which he takes in my work.

Number of volumes in general library 137

do Protestant library 309

do Catholic library 199

Total 645

Number of volumes added during the year 61

Number of convicts using books in General library 67

do do Protestant library 44

do do Catholic library 23

Number of volumes issued during year 2,986

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,
J. G-. Moylan, Esq., D. D. BOUI^vE,

Inspector of Penitentiaries. Schoolmaster.

No. 7.
Movements of Convicts for fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892.

Movements.

Remaining at midnight 30th June, 1891 .
Received during fiscal year

Discharged by expiration of sentence .

do escape

Removed to Kingston female ward . .
1 >ischarged by pardon

Con-
victs.

Total discharged

Total remaining midnight, 30th June, 1892 .

Total.

107

GEO. L. FOSTER,

Warden.
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No. 10.

Return of Convicts pardoned in Manitoba Penitentiary during the Fiscal Year

ended 30th June, 1892.

No.

Name.

Crime.

Where
coin icted.

Term.

(>0

Wet-backside

Larceny ....

Fort Macleod, N.W.T

2 years.

No. 11.

Return of Recommitments of Convicts in Manitoba Penitentiary during the Fiscal

Year ended 30th June, 1892.

No.

Name.

Recommitments.

Crime.

Remarks.

r>?

Joseph Farrell. .

Larceny and pre-
vious convictions
Horse-stealing.

Alfred Phillips

First

about 30 hours after
discharge from the
penitentiary.

No. 12.
Crimes of Convicts confined in Manitoba Penitentiary 30th June, 1892.

Crimes.

Robbing the royal mail

Manslaughter

Murder

Bringing stolen property into Canada

Doing grievous bodily harm .

Intent to murder

Larceny and previous convictions

Robbery

Larceny

Horse-stealing

Arson

Stealing

Attempted rape

Crimes.

Shop-breaking

►Perjury

House-breaking and larceny

Receiving stolen property

Burglary

House-breaking and cattle stealing
Carnally knowing a girl under age.
Killing cattle with intent to steal . .

Shooting with intent

Cattle-stealing

University

BIBLI0THECA

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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893?

No. 13.
Terms of Convicts confined in Maniotba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

<r>

eg 02

02 53
fH,®

«3

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Remarks.

Since commuted to a life term.

No. 14.
Race of Convicts confined in Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Race.

Number.

Race.

Number.

White

Half-breed Indians

5
6

Black

Indians

Total

Nationality of Convicts coi

No. 15.
lfined in Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Nationality.

Number. 1

Nationality.

Number.

1
14
1
8
5

Dane

Scotch

* 9

English . .

Irish

Spaniard

Total

No. 16.
Ages of Convicts confined m Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

From

15 to 20

Years.

From

20 to 25

Years.

From

25 to 30

Years.

From

30 to 40

Years.

From

40 to 50

Years.

From

50 to 60

Years.

From

60 to 70

Years.

Total.

100

Department of Justice.

No. 17.
Religion of Convicts confined in Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Religion.

Number.

Religion.

Number.

Unknown— pending decision of de-
partment

unan Catholic

Total

No. 18.

Statement of Education of Convicts confined in Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th

June, 1892.

Education .

Number.

Education.

Number.

'annot read nor write

'an read (English) only

(54

Can read Cree (only)

Can read Italian (only) . .

• ad and write (English)

Total

No. 19.
Occupation of Convicts confined in Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Occupation.

labourers . . .
blacksmiths.

armers

lerks

ow-boys . . .

ooks

Tailors ....

arpe titers . .
firemen ....

iutcher

Machinist. . .

Number.

Occupation.

Telegraph operator.

Steamfitter

Bricklayer

Printer

Painters

Brassfinisher

Tinsmith

Baker

Jeweller

No occupation

Total .

Number.

1
1
2
1
1
1
1
30

No.
Civil Condition of Convicts confined in

20.
Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Civil Condition.

Number.

Civil Condition.

Number.

Single

55
19

Married

Total

18—7

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Punishments inflicted

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 21.

on Convicts in Manitoba Penitentiary
ended 30th June, 1892.

dun

A. 1893

the Year

Punishments.

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3

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Remarks.

Confined in penal dark cells.

2
1

2
6
6

6
92
54

2
24
1
6
1
1
1

188

11
1

6
4

"4'

5
5

9
9

Admonished

Deprived of library books. . .

*For attempt
ing to escape

2
1

Confined in cell

Floerered

Deprived of all remission . . .

*1
1

Totals

No. 22.

Statement of days remitted, lost or earned by Convicts in the Manitoba Penitentiary
during the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Month.

1891.

July

August

September

October

November

December ,

1892

January

February

March

April

May

June

Total

Earned.

4,306i

Lost.

372i

349i

334

347^

356

335

364i

354f

355

366$

87*

403^

367$

296

Remarks.

'Includes 75 days lost I
one convict for attemp
ing to escape.

102

Department of Justice.

No. 23.

VALUE of unproductive labour by convicts in the Manitoba Penitentiary, during the

Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Employments.

Kitchen and scullery

Bakery

Laundry

jarpenters' shop

Tailors' shop

■Uiof shop. .

/leaning lamps

Blacksmiths' shop

Vt tending stables

do piggery.....

Rawing wood and hauling. . .

rarden

Farm and root house

'Iraning grounds

Butchering

Repairing quarters

Fencing farm

'Packing and hauling ice ... .

Garden's residence

jDeputy warden's residence . .
Painting and whitewashing .

iHaymaking

Steward's orderlies

Storekeeper's orderlies

(Basement
Prison
)hapels
jVIain hall

Hospital
Librarian

do
do
do
do
do
do

General employ.

Days

1,012

732

1,000

1,650

2,456

1,145

900

350

580

635

2,163

1,140

1,762

325

101

115

732

390

210

320

732

260

366

732

366

1,064

366

500

22,544

Rate.

$ cts.

0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25
0 25

Amount.

$ cts.

25^ 00

183 00

250 00

412 50

614 00

286 25

225 00

87 50

145 00

158 75

540 75

285 00

440 50

81 25

25 25

3 75

28 75

14 75

183 00

97 50

52 50

80 00

183 00

65 00

91 50

183 00

91 50

366 00

91 50

125 00

55,636 00

GEO. L. FOSTEE,

Warden.

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No. 24.

A. 189!

Daily Average of Inmates in Manitoba Penitentiary for Year ended 30th June

1892.

Monthly Totals

Convicts.

1891
1891.

July,
August,
September, 1891 .

1891.

1892.

October,

November,

December,

January,

February,

March,

April,

May,

June,

2,315
2,230
2,165
2,138
2,068
2,137
2,079
1,916
2,089
2,064
2,193
2,222

25,616

Daily
Averages

69 98

Monthly Totals.

Lunatics.

July,

August,

1891.
1891.

September, 1891.

October,

November,

December,

January,

February,

March,

April,

May,

June,

1891.
1891.
1891.
1892.
1892.
1892.
1892.
1892.
1892.

Total average of inmates.

1,418
1,457
1,358
1,395
1,336
1,364
1,364
1,276
1,364
1,306
1,301
1,343

16,282

Daily

Average!

44 -4|
11441

GEO. L. FOSTER,

Warden.

No. 25.
Eeturn of Officers of Manitoba Penitentiary on 30th June, 1892.

Name

Geo. L. Foster

M. O. D. McDonell
A. W. Gould ing. . . .
Gabriel Cloutier . . . .
W. R. D. Sutherland

P. McGowan

Benjamin F. Power.

Win, Durden

John Mustard

I). I). Bourke

John Smith

Wm. Shead

Eli Lusignan

John I'uigh

J. O. Beau pre

George Addison ....

Wm. Eddies

P. McFarlane

I). Gr. Sutherland.. . .

Charles Gingras

Wm. (irahame

E. Freeman

Amedee Manseau. . .
Wm. II. Walpole...
E. Bourke

Rank.

Warden

Deputy warden and chief keeper ....

Protestant chaplain

Roman Catholic chaplain

Surgeon

Accountant and storekeeper

Assistant accountant and storekeeper

Warden's clerk

Steward

Hospital overseer and schoolmaster..

Engineer and blacksmith

Tailor instructor .

Carpenter instructor

Guard

do ,

do and messenger

Religion.

Protestant

Roman Catholic

Protestant

Roman Catholic

Protestant

Roman Catholic

do
Protestant

do
Roman Catholic
Protestant

Roman Catholic
Protestant. . .
Roman Catholic
Protestant

do ^.

Roman Catholic
Protestant

do ......

Roman Catholic
Protestant

do .....

Date of
Appointment.

May 1, 1891
Jan. 18, 1881
April 11, 1886.

do
May

Feb.

Nov.

Sept.

5, 1883,
1, 1882.
9, 1886.
1, 1892
1, 1887.
1, 1884,

July 23, 1886
Nov. 1, 1889
Dec. 1, 1886.
April 1, 1892.
Mar. 24, 1885.
July 28, 1885.
Oct. 20, 1885.
Aug. 19, 1885.
Feb. 1, 1888.
11, 1888.
1, 1891 .

Dec.
Feb.
June
do
July
Mar.
Sept.

1, 1891 .

2, 1887.
1, 1891.
1, 1892.
1, 1891.

Salary,

2,000 (!

1,200
800
600

1,200

1,100 (j
700
660
800
870
780
750
600 (I
650 »,
650 0
650 i
650 i
590 i
560 i
500 '
500
650
500
500
500

GEO. L. FOSTER,

Warden.

104

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A. 1893:

No. 27.
Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Salaries.

Warden, Geo. L. Foster

Deputy warden and chief keeper, JE.

D. O. McDonell, 7 days

Protestant chaplain, A. W. Goulding. .
Roman Catholic chaplain, G. Cloutier.

Surgeon, W. R. D. Sutherland

Accountant and storekeeper, P. Mc-

Gowan

Assistant storekeeper, B. F. Power, 4

months 11 days

Warden's clerk, Wm. Durden

Steward, John Mustard

Hospital overseer and schoolmaster, D.

D. Bourke

Engineer and blacksmith, John Smith .

Tailor instructor, Wm. H. Shead.

Carpenter instructor, John Puigh, 9

months

Carpenter instructor, Eli Lusignan, i

months

Guards, 4 at $650

do 1

do 3 at $500

Guard Preston, for 2 months

do McNaughton, 7 months, — days

E. Bourke, 10 months

A. McDonald, 9 months

John Puigh, 3 months

W. Walpole, 4 months

$ cts.

2,000 00

22 55

800 00

600 00

1,204 00

1,100 00

254 27
660 00
800 00
870 00

780 00
750 00

524 97

do
do
do
do

Salaries, Asylum Staff

Attendant, Wm. Abbott

do A. Pritchard

do J. H. Hackland . .

Matron, Ellen McLean

Attendant, Isabel McLeod. . . .

do Catherine Davis . .

Retiring Gratuities.

P. H. Ennis

Ben Preston

Uniforms.

11 prs of black gloves

4,000 eyelets

l,ooo hooka

10IJ doz. frogs

5$ lbs. twist

6 gioss brass buns and rivets

174 lbs. of French calf

60 prs. do vamps, at $1.50

1 pre. do do 2.50
| yds. silk velvet

218 yds. silesia

36 yds. gold braid, at 7.>c

0} lbs. assorted sewing silk

6 gross braid assorted

( loal wadding

335 yds. coat canvas

40 yds. grass linen

Shoe blacking

2 lbs. rubber tissue

1 1 j ds. gold cord

150
2,600
590
560
1,500
108
338
416
419
162
166

17,378 06

500
500
500
360
300
300

2,460 00

143

528

671 92

Uniforms — Concluded.

4 doz. Spanish glycerine

2 forage caps

2 gold collars

2 gold crowns

75 yds. serge, blue, at 70c

152 yds. do 60c

101yds. do 55c

13t; yds. Halifax tweed..

2 cap ornaments

2 doz buckskin mitts

1 gross military hooks and eyes
26^ yds. Italian cloth, at 55c . . .
Coat buttons

Rations.

822 sacks flour

52,121| lbs. beef

13 brls. mess pork, at $18. . .

488 lbs. of mutton

186 do of fresh pork, at 8c

887i do whitefish

3,300 do codfish

2,518 do of butter, at 17c. . .

515 do of tea

75 do Java coffee

280 do raisins

226 do currants

500 do rice

2,003 do beans

588 do split peas

804 do pot barley

3,146 do oatmeal

3,075 do sugar

20 do granulated sugar . .

260 do lard

30 do hops

25 do pepper

h do allspice

h do cloves

\ do nutmegs

3,360 do salt

300 do fine salt

342 do chewing tobacco . .
192^ do smoking tobacco. .

53 do suet

45 do baking powder. . . .

8 do yeast gems

Essence of lemon

Lemon peel

Soda bicarb

3 doz. of eggs

2 boxes of clay pipes

5 brls. of apples

81 galls, of vinegar

349 % galls, molasses

Clothing.

106

Shoe knives

Emery straps
Awls, assorted . . . .

h deer bones

| doz. pincers

1 doz. lasts

1 doz. rasps

2 files

1 gall, of shoe ink .

10 (M
12 Oil

4 (X

8 0i
52 5<
91 5'
55 8.
47 8

1 0
40 2

0 6
14 5

0 6

;io 7

2,027 0

3,181 8

234 0

43 9

14 8

49 6

198 0

428 0

113 3

27 7

19 6

16 9

25 0
85 1

17 fi

28 C
98 2

153 7

1 l|

26 6
5 4

5 (1
0 21
0 2]

o a

37 i\

4 c

174 4

115 l\

3 1

20 i\

6 S
0 E
0 7
0 (
0 t\

2 J
16 5
24 i\

197 (I

,406

Department of Justice.

No. 27. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

( 'loth ing — Concluded.

5 lbs. of wax

;<o Iks. assorted shoe nails

} lb. bristles

Lworted shoe rivets

2 peg wheel markers

2 lbs. lasting tacks

3 gross sand paper

1 gall, shoe varnish

1 gross assorted awls

.'-, aoz. hammers

9 Iks. shoe thread

1 \ bush, pegs

1 gross heel ball

3 llis. rivets

1,196^ lbs. sole leather

160 lbs. kip leather

2*2 lbs. waxleather

47 lbs. moose hide

202 lbs. moccasin leather

8 doz. steel shanks

2 doz. strip awls

| gross tailors' needles.

Singer sewing machine needles .

35 gross assorted buttons

15 doz. tape assorted

White thread assorted

177 lbs. yarn

4 doz. straw hats

014 yds. grey flannel

478A yds. convicts' tweed

20.', yds. dress tweed

'Mm yds. jean

Pattern paper

4 pairs hose

357 i yds- grey cotton

2 shawls

2 pairs gloves

B yds. black silesia

115 lbs. moccasin leather

124A yds. grey tweed

Wrappers

3 pairs shears

2 stencil brushes

1 box tailors' chalk

Tailors' thimbles.

149A yds. duck

Beeswax

'1 gr< iss buckles

48 yds. brown Holland

Machine knitting needles

Shoe blacking

2 clothes baskets

20 lbs. cotton yarn

1 Singer sewing machine

Sperm oil

Stencils and figures

Flat-iron holder

184.1, yds. grey cotton, at 9£c. . .

126| do Kentucky jean

40 do brown duck

5 lbs. linen thread

5 gross bone buttons

Sundries furnished asylum

Discharge Clothing.

55 lbs. Canadian calfskins . . .

105 feet of cordovan

1 doz. coloured sheepskins .

2i do braces

2h do overshirts

34 do undershirts

1$ do drawers

$ cts.

1 00

2 00

2 75

2 00

1 50

1 00

1 35

2 20

t; 62

1 62

7 20

1 87

0 62

1 50

382 80

96 00

11 00

47 00

101 00

4 00

1 20

2 99

8 04

10 20

9 00

45 52

69 92

3 00

244 05

237 95

5 47

57 39

4 00

1 80

32 90

5 00

0 70

0 75

40 25

54 67

1 00

22 50

0 34

1 10

0 20

34 34

1 40

1 30

7 08

3 75

0 94

2 50

9 10

45 00

1 25

7 00

0 25

17 07

30 42

8 70

4 50

0 45

161 49

1,899 06

41 25

21 00

7 00

6 63

19 00

22 75

9 75

DiBckargi Clothing Concluded.

2 doz. pocket 'kerchiefs

2 do neckties

LA d<» felt hats

8lf do farmers' satin

272.\ yds. silesia

\\ doz. linen collars

10ij| gross assorted coat and vest buttons

1 doz. fur caps

2 do mufflers

127 yds. Canadian tweed, at 04.^e

42 do gelantina

gj, doz. vest buckles

Travelling Allowance and Gratuity.

11 convicts, at $20 each

16 do at $15 do

Paid for railway tickets

For charges for discharged Indians. .

Bedding.

361 yds. of ticking

40 pairs of blankets, at $3.60
24 do do 2.65

112 yds. duck, heavy

2 pillows

J chamber set

Sundries for asylum

Hospital.

2 doz. lemons, at 80c. ; Enos' fruit salt,

$2 _

2 boxes dominoes

2 boilers, copper bottoms

Playing cards

1 doz. briar root pipes

65 yds. white cotton

25 do grey flannel

2 jars mustard

3 oil sheets

1 cook stove and furnishing

30 lbs. granulated sugar

! 1 clock

21 galls, spirits f rumen ti

3^ do vini gallicis

Paid Dr. Blanchard

do McTavish

Sundry drugs

Chapels.

Paid Wm. Durden, organist. . : ,

do Miss Eva McDonell

Bottle of port wine

Prayer books

Altar furnishings

Box candles

Paid for washing altar linen, &c

$ cts.

i :,o

4 70

13 <u

44 99

47 82

3 00

16 11

12 00

<; oo

si 1)2

7 Of)

i. 75

307 4!)

220 00
240 00

102 38
52 30

074 08

53 26
144 00

63 60

33 60
3 00
3 00

25 90

326 36

2 80

1 70
4 00

3 10

2 65

6 50

7 50
2 00
6 00

34 25

1 75

6 50

47 25

13 38

120 00

10 00

328 58

597 94

62 50
37 50

1 25
10 00
14 00

0 96
43 00

Escapes.

169 21

?aid expense travelling, livery, &c. .

do Detective McKenzie

John Mustard's exp. to Florida

330 58

107

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 27.— Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

Library.

70 volumes

59 yds. brown duck.

Repairs to Buildings.

Wire cloth

1 package tacks

8 lbs. rivets . . .

Soil pipe

2 brls. Portland cement

2,400 ft. glass

Files, assorted

67t? lbs. putty

Yale blank keys

2 doz. carpenters' pencils

17 gross screws

Pump heads

5,500 ft. boards

1,666 ft. pine

8 kegs nails

1,203 ft. ash, birch and oak. . .

533 scantling

1,804 ft. select pine

700 ft. ceiling

151 ft. hickory

37 ft. cedar

150 lbs. white lead

20 lbs. Indian red paint

15 lbs. glue

28 lbs. ultramarine blue

| doz. whitewash brushes. . . .

1^ doz. paint brushes

4^ doz. butt hinges

2 doz. Yale night latches

J doz. mortise chisels

§ doz. auger bits

1 doz. adjustable augers

Traps, bends and fittings, &c .

Lead pipe

14 lbs. block tin

2,410 lbs. iron

263 lbs. sheet steel

10 lbs. nuts

125 lbs. clinch nails

19 lbs. brads, assorted

\ doz. flush bolts

1 oil stone

1 diamond

4 galls, shellac

1 do walnut stain

5 do turpentine

2,700 bricks.

Paid for plumbing and fitting
£ doz. locks

Kitchen.

§ doz. barber scissors

3 tea steepers

Sundry tinware

3,860 Lbs. of soap

7 doz. brooms

125 lbs. chloride of lime..

200 yds. towelling

5 butcher knives

2\ doz. scrub brushes

3 doz. spoons

3 doz. pots pomade

2 brls. washing soda

\\ doz. bannister brushes

2 clothes lines

1 hair brush

$ cts.

58 50
11 80

70 30

113

101

305

17
50

56
50

oo
21
00
75
75
36
oo

75
15
66
16

22
50

60
20
03
31
00
71
88
00
70
oo
92
66
78
oo
78
-II
75
65
50
00
75

1,136 96

9 00

3 00

30 53

224 56

18 00

13 80

27 00

3 92

!> 37

0 75

1 50
16 80

6 75
0 30
0 90

Kitchen — Concluded.

Repairs

1 doz. tumblers

1 do stove blacking

1 do combs

1 do mirrors •

1 do stove brushes

1 do razors

1 do blueing

Sundries for asylum

Stables.

1 double-seated express wagon

341 bush, oats

3tj tons bran

6 do chopped feed

Unground feed

56 lbs. flax seed

181^ bush, barley

Paid for chopping barley and oats

h, gross buckles

3 gross brass burrs

62 lbs. harness leather

2 halters

2 collars

Harness repairs *

| doz. tie chains

2 horse brushes

1 curry comb

1 rubber coat and gloves for messenger.

1 horse whip

1 doz. axle grease

Horse liniment

i doz. neck yokes

1 martingale

1 pair spurs and chains

1 riding saddle

2 fly nets

h doz. harness dressing

I do water buckets

1 set wheel tires and bolts

1 bull ring ,

2 lbs. pumice stone

1 set wheel felloes

\ doz. tins drop black

1 gall, carriage varnish

2 do raw oil.

2 do castor oil

1 comb and sponge

Carriage repairs

Service of stallion

lbull

Paid McNerney

1 pair horses

1 horse !

Paid veterinary surgeon

$ cts.

75
75

(Ml

25
2 75
2 42
0 30
4 55

387 45

Farm.

Repairs to implements.

Hay ground rent

Garden seeds

75 lbs. binding twine . .

Oak plank

4 pieces timber.

Iron

1 ton Bios coal

Rope

Service boar pig

1 set of harrows

15 bush, seed barley. . .
Sacks

48 00
104 80

43 25
162 00

30 00

2 80
38 78
23 51

0 45

1 50
19 84

3 00
9 00

0 50

2 25

1 98
0 30
7 50
0 80

0 75

5 50

2 40

1 75

2 50
25 00

2 50

6 00
2 25
2 33
0 25

0 20

1 40
1 50
1 75

1 48

2 55
0 !)5

4 75
13 00
27 80
22 50

325 00

145 00

4 00

1,103 37

28 10
59 00
34 80

11 25
13 98

2 00
13 74

12 00
4 56

3 00

13 00
7 50
0 50

108

Department of Justice.

No. 27. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Concluded.

Farm — Concluded.

154 bush, seed potatoes

Weights and measures inspector's bill.
Shovels

i ar paper

Veterinary surgeon's bill re sick hogs.

Maintenance of Machinery

Sturgeon oil

1 gauge, $1.50 ; 4 valves

Stop cocks

1 doz. files

1 inspirator

Tallow

Mulder

Mur. acid

Rubber packing

I Jandle wick

Sundry castings

Heating.

I cords wood

)06^$fij tons soft coal .
"''iV.u, tons hard coal.

Iron pipe

Urate bars

Stove pipe

Buck saws

h doz. axes

1 stove back

Armoury.

Repairs to revolvers .

Kepan

26 ii»s.

shot.

Light.

'20 gross matches

(Brackets, chimneys and burners

Lamp shades

BjW doz. lanterns

1476^ galls, coal oil, at 22c. . . '

Prisoii furnishing.

Emery cloth .
Pots pomade .
Blank keys . .

$ cts .

62 34

7 75

8 25
2 70

17 00

301 47

3 00

3 26

3 43

3 86

10 50

14 68

1 10

0 30

13 57

0 50

5 90

60 10

974 47

4,606 20

692 11

10 69

39 75

20 82

4 50

9 25

6,362 29

0 65
2 75

3 40

9 40
51 57

8 10

16 75

104 83

190 65

2 25

4 50

5 00

Prison furnishing ( loncluded.

Locks

Cell combs and mirrors.
( ralvanized iron pails. . .

( 'onservatory stock

Scuttle

Cockroach exterminator.

BaDCOCk hose

Bell snap

Green baize

Cretonne

Brown duck

Bannister brushes

Repairs electric bells

Iron

Screws

Zinc

Barber straps

W. C. paper

Charges on a wardrobe .
Bedroom furniture

Fencing.

Cedar posts .
Barb wire . .

Queen's Printer and Stationery.

Sundries .

Miscellaneous.

Telegrams

Postage

Express charges

Freight do

Advertising

Travelling expenses

Attorney's fees

Special service

Transfer of convicts

Justice's fees

Photo camera repairs

Telephone

Christmas extras

L e s s — Refunded Depart-
ment of Interior for

lunatics, N.W.T $16,257 82

Officers for provisions. . . 3,420 82

Total .

1 ct».

:;i 00

2 50
96 ok
17 50

0 75

8 00

3 50

0 90
6 50
3 50

2 40
lo 13
32 10
48 80

6 55

1 40
1 34

3 60
3 00

235 27

556 57

213 35
197 30

410 65

381 82

84 24
77 89
39 98

600 81

80 07

43 45

7 00

72 35

198 65

12 00

7 52

135 00
32 02

45,408 28

19,678 64
25,729 64

109

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893

No. 28.
Balance Sheet, Manitoba Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Buildings, land, &c

Storekeeper

Steward

Tailor shop

Shoe do

Carpenter shop

Blacksmith shop . .

Engineer's department

Farm stock

Stables

Hospital

Protestant chapel

Roman Catholic chapel

Armoury

School

Library

Furniture and office furnishings.
Officers' quarters

$ cts.

315,558 92

1,053 67

6,133 00

1,130 19

612 45

553 50

169 86

8,529 20

2,184 25

3,587 00

816 95

864 37

941 87

1,245 39

130 30

405 76

1,414 75

1,838 50

347,169 93

By Balance.

$ cts. I
347,169 93,

347,169 9J

P. McGOWAN,

Accountant.

No. 29.
Statement of the Manitoba Penitentiary Farm for the Year 1891—

92.

154* tons hay, at $2.50

$ ctej

386 a

204 4'

1,022 bushels oats, at 20c

139 do barley, at 30c

41 7l

40 do wheat, at 50c

1 , 1 47.', do potatoes, at 20c

20 01
229 5|

418£ do turnips, at 20c

83 7'

25 do mangels

6 2

1 1 5 do sundry vegetables

244 do onions, at $2

46 C
49 0

2,529 lbs. pork, at 8c •

1,000 heads cabbage, at 4c

189 galls, milk, at 20c

202 a

40 q

1,408 i

' j
■ — 1

P. McGOWAN,

Accountant.

110

Department of Justice.

No. 30.
Stock in School and Library, 30th June, 1892.

School.

1st Readers 05

2nd do 32

3rd do 18

4th do 13

Grammar, English 18

do French 35

Arithmetics 39

Geographies, small 12

do large 20

Slates 52

Crayons r 1 box

Slate pencils li gross

Histories, British 4

Spelling books 45

Dictionaries 5

Blackboard 1

Pens '. \ gross.

Penholders . 3^ doz.

Library.

Volumes in general library 137

do Protestant library 309

do Roman Catholic library 199

045

Volumes transferred for use of Sunday school from general library 91

do do do Protestant library 41

132

Volumes in library 513

D. D. BOUEKE,

Schoolmaster.

Ill

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

BRITISH COLUMBIA PENITENTIARY.

No. 1.
REPORT OF THE WARDEN FOR THE YEAR ENDED 30th JUNE, 1892. I

British Columbia Penitentiary, 2nd July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit to you the annual returns on the manage-:
ment of this penitentiary for the year ended 30th June, 1892.

On the 30th June, 1891, there remained here 73 convicts; received since, 19
males, 1 female, total 20. Discharged by expiration of. sentence 15, by pardon 1, byj
escape 2, which left remaining on 30th June, 1892, 75 convicts.

I am pleased to note the decrease in number of convicts received during the,
past year, that is, when compared with the number admitted during former years.
The conduct of the prisoners has been good, and you will be gratified to know that!
the general health has been very favourable. Although there has been a great deal
of sickness in the surrounding neighbourhood, we have suffered very little inconve-
nience from illness — at the present writing there are no cases in hospital.

I musi draw your attention to the fact that our water supply is far from sum!
oient, and at times it is not fit for drinking or cooking. The work of clearing and
building is going on above the dam; old roads are being reopened, and after rain,
the condition of the water is most objectionable.

The city water works are nearly completed, and one of their mains runs along!
the northern boundary of the penitentiary grounds ; therefore I hope you will seel
fit to have the prison and other buildings connected with the institution, supplied!
from that source.

The school continues to be satisfactorily conducted by Mr. Keary.

A new wharf, which improvement was very much needed, has been built during
the year. In order to make it more serviceable for our wants, it will require to bd
partly covered,

I am glad to see that an appropriation has been made for heating the prison
building with hot water. This should have been done in the beginning. It i*
impossible to keep the place neat and clean with the number of clumsy stove*
required.

You will be pleased to hear that the conduct of the officers has been good. ]|
am happy to say that I have seldom had to report anything to the contrary.

And now, in closing this short report, I beg you will accept my sincere thank*
for the kindly assistance received from you on many occasions, not only during th*|
year just ended, but also during the many years that I have had the honour Oil
managing this institution; under your able guidance.

I remain, sir,

Your obedient servant,

ARTHUR H. McBRIDE,

Warden.
J. G. Moylan, Esq ,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

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Department of Justice.

No. 2.
Per Capita Cost of Convicts for Year 1891-92.

Daily average, 73.

Salaries

Uniforms

Rations...

Clothing

Travelling allowance .
Discharge clothing . ,

Bedding

Chapels

Library

School

Hospital

Heating

Light

Repairs to buildings

Armoury

Kitchen

Stationery and Queen's

Printer

Farm

Stables

Furniture

Telegrams

Postage

Freight charges

Express charges

Advertising

Telephone

Wharf...

Industries

Totals

Cash
Expenditure

$ cts.

19,749 66

414 42

3,860 73

2,418 86

267 50

301 09

106 75

107 00
171 76

21 00

20 15

387 83

1,125 45

1,965 05

2,033 72

205 45

517 67

133 11

642 76

127 60

20 00

90 30

44 00

27 16

6 50

51 00

84 00

1,379 60

346 03

Add
Material on

hand
30th June,

1891.

$ cts

532 79

113 34

3,424 50

180 69
433 41

8 38

55 00'

185 53
338 81
133 08
439 17
55 00
191 00

190 00

102 40

7 37

46 50

Total

Expenditure,

1891-92.

$ cts.

19,749 66

947 21

3,974 07

5,843 36

267 50

481 78

540 16

115 38

171 76

76 00

20 15

573 36

1,464 26

2,098 13

2,472 89

260 45

708 67

323 11

745 16

134 97

66 50

90 30

44 00

27 16

6 50

51 00

84 00

1,379 60

346 03

Deduct
Material on

hand
30th June,

1892.

$ cts.

" 71397

104 61

4,634 72

343 50

121 67

2 25

65 00

181 20
304 70
106 83
689 02
95 00
242 47

186 00

140 05

11 12

47 00

Net

Expenditure

$ cts.

19,749 66

233 24

3,869 46

1,208 64

267 50

138 28

418 49

113 13

171 76

11 00

20 15

392 16

1,159 56

1,991 30

1,783 87

165 45

466 20

137 11

605 11

123 85

19 50

90 30

44 00

27 16

6 50

51 00

84 00

1,379 60

346 03

35,074 01

Annual

Per Capita

Cost.

$ cts.

270 54

3 20

53 01

16 56

3 66
1 90
5 73

1 55

2 35
0 14

0 28

5 35
15 88
27 28
24 44

2 27

6 39

1 88
8 29
1 70

0 27

1 24
0 60
0 37
0 09

0 70

1 15
18 90

4 74

480 46

Amount of revenue, 30th June, 1892 $471 55

Per capita cost on net expenditure $480 46

Deduct for revenue 6 44

Net per capita cost per annum $474 02

Net per capita cost per diem $1 30

113

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893,

No. 3.

REPORT OF THE PEOTESTANT CHAPLAIN.

British Columbia Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir. — I have the honour to submit my fourteenth annual report for the yeai
ended 30th June, 1892.

There have been 51 convicts under my care during the year, 43 remaining at
this date ; white men, 17 ; Chinese, 20 ; Indians, 3 ; coloured, 2-, and half-breed, 1

All the duties of my office have been regularly performed. The conduct of the
prisoners while attending divine service has been very good. There is nothing oii
importance to notice in connection with the school, library or singing class. All!
have been duly attended to.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant.

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

ROBERT JAMIESON,

Protestant Chaplain.

No. 4.

REPORT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN.

British Columbia Penitentiary,

New Westminster, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report for the year ended 30t
June, 1892.

The general conduct of the convicts leaves little to be desired.

It is to be regretted that better accommodation cannot be provided for those wh<|
attend the school ; their patience and assiduous attention to study certainly deserv
great praise.

The choir organized last year continues to make satisfactory progress. I niigl
suggest that the organist's remuneration is hardly commensurate with the labou;
involved and the time taken up.

The number of convicts under my charge has been reduced during the yea |
from 28 to 23.

I cannot conclude without thanking the warden, schoolmaster and other officei
for their unvarying kindness.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

W. M. J. MORGAN, O.M.I.,

Acting Chaplain.
J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

114

Department of Justice.

No. 5.

EEPORT OF THE SURGEON.

British Columbia Penitentiary, 1st July, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit my annual report for the year ended 30th
rune, 1892.

The health of the convicts in this penitentiary has been very good during the
)ast year, and we have reason to be thankful that small-pox, which is now more or
ess epidemic throughout this province, has found no entrance into the penitentiary.

I again beg to call to your attention the question of the heating of the prison.
Che system in use at present gives a very uneven heat, and the alleged hospital has
>nly a small grate to heat a large room. The substitution of hot water for the pre-
sent arrangement is a matter which calls for immediate attention, and the whole
prison should be included in any such system.

The hospital overseer, Mr. Carroll, continues to discharge his duties in a most
satisfactory manner.

I have to thank the warden and other officers for many kindnesses.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

W. A. DeWOLF SMITH,

M.D.

G. Moylan, Esq.,
Inspector of Penitentiaries.

&c,
Surgeon.

Annual Return of sick treated in Hospital from 1st July, 1891, to 30th June, 1892.

Diseases.

•

50 u

s ^
a a

-fci

bb
g

Abscess

9
1
2

1
9
1

2
2
1

1
18

9
1

"2
1
1

Accidents

.'Chancre

Insane

, Phthisis

Scrofula

Stricture

Ext dent

W. A. DeWOLF SMITH, M.D.,

Surgeon.

115

56 Victoria

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1895

No. 6.

REPORT OF THE SCHOOLMASTER.

British Columbia Penitentiary, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — I beg leave to submit ray report on the school at this penitentiary fo
fiscal year ended 30th June, 1892.

The average attendance 27. Subjects taught : reading, writing, spelling, dictjii
tion and arithmetic.

With pleasure I state that the majority of those attending desire to improve, b;
embracing every opportunity both in schoolroom and in cell practice. Many than
are due our warden for the great interest he has taken in this department ; also, t
the chaplains for their zeal in the good work of education.

It is to be regretted that a more suitable room for school purposes cannot b
provided. As it is now, we utilize one side of the wing for teaching, which is not a
all convenient.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

W. H. KEARY,

J. G. Moylan, Esq.,

Inspector of Penitentiaries.

Schoolmaster.

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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893

No. 8.

Eeturn showing Movement of Convicts in the British Columbia Penitentiary duringt

the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Description.

Remaining at midnight 30th June, 1891
Received since

Discharged : —

By expiration of sentence .

By pardon

By escape

Remaining at midnight 30th June, 1892 .

Male.

Female. Total.

No. 9.

Comparative Statemknt of Movement of Convicts in the British Columbia Penjten
tiary for ten years ended 30th June, 1892.

—

1883.

1884.

1885.

1886.

1887.

1888.

1889.

1890.

1891.

1892

On bail, by order of Supreme Court

1
44

Admissions : —

39
2

34
1

12
3
1

Recaptures

Total

29
21

"i"

2
1

32
1

'"'a

30
6
1
3

1
4

25
8

Discharges : —

By Expiration of sentence

Pardon

Having sentence reduced.

Death

Bail, order of Supreme Court

Scut to Kingston Penitentiary

"'2'

Escapes '

18
74

16
93

26
96
92f

105

ioih

Total . . .

89
94

45
68
73^

22
91

72^

80{,

36
73

Remaining at midnight on 30th June, each year.

75.

A eerage, daily

68f

Department of Justice.

No. 10.

jiST of Convicts who have been pardoned out of the British Columbia Pentientiary
during the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

So.

Name.

Crime.

Place.

82]

James Kavanagh

•

Abominable crime

No. 11.

Table of Crimes and Number of Convicts guilty of each Crime, British Columbia
Penitentiary, for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Description.

\Iurder

Manslaughter

Jobbery with violence

Maliciously wounding

\ minding with intent to murder

Shooting with intent to do grievous bodily harm
: Obtaining goods by false pretenses

Sending threatening letters

eiving

rtering counterfeit money

Buggery

Sodomy

Abominable crime

Burglary

Rape

Arnault with intent to do grievous bodily harm. .

Assault occasioning actual bodily harm

\ ssault with intent

Attempt at larceny

I Attempt to break and enter

Entering house with intent to steal

Breaking and entering

House-breaking

House-breaking and felony

iking and stealing

- Larceny from dwelling

[ House-breaking and larceny

1 arcenv

Larceny and receiving

Feloniously stealing and receiving

! Feloniously stealing

Stealing from person

irgery .

Indecent assault

Arson

Arson
iPerjury

Male.

Female.

Total.

119

56 Victoria.

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A. 189

No. 12.

Tabular Statement showing number of Convicts sentenced, with length of

sentence of each.

Sentence.

Life

15 years

14 do

13 do

12 do

10 do and 13 lashes

10 do

7 do

o
H

Sentence.

o years

4 do

34 do

3" do

2± do

2 do and 24 lashes

2 do

Total

Ethnology of Convicts in the

No. 13.

British Columbia
30th June, 1892.

Penitentiary, for Year ended:

Race.

Whites . . .
Coloured .
Half-breed
Indians. . .

Race.

Japanese

Chinese

Total

Female.

No. 14.
Nationalities and Number of Convicts of each Nationality.

1 description.

Female.

Description.

Canada

20
7
5
5

19
1
3

....

5
5
19
1
3

Sandwich Island

2
25

England

1 reland

Scotland

Switzerland

1 iiitcd States

Norway

[taly

China

Total

121

)

Department of Justice.

No. 15.
Occupations.

1 description.

Female.
Total.

Description.

4
1
39
1
4
1
!)
4
3
1
3
1
1
3

4
1
.... 39
1
4
1
9
4
3
1
3
1
1
3

Wood turner

i
i

1
4
3
1
1
1
1

ivil engineer

labourers

Ship carpenter

Cabinet-maker

arpenters

Shoemaker

House-keeper

Total

No. 16.
Civil Condition.

Married
nngle . .

Description.

Total

Male.

26
66

Female.

Total.

No. 17.
Moral Habits.

Description.

Male.

Female.

Total.

Temperate

53
34

ntemperate

\bstinent

Total

121

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 189:

No. 18.
Ages of Convicts.

Age.

Under 20 years
20 to 25 do
25 to 30 do
30 to 35 do
35 to 40 do
40 to 45 do

<ri

Age.

45 to 50 years
50 to 55 do
55 to 60 do
Over GO do

Total.

J2
la

7
4
4
3

" 1

No. 19.
Eeligious Belief.

Description.

Male.

Female.

Total1

Roman Catholics.

10
9
8
2
4
1

Church of England

Presbyterians

Methodists

Baptists

Lutherans

Campbellite

None

No. 20.
State of Education.

Race.

Could Read when
admitted.

Could Write when
admitted.

Wholly
Illiterate.

Total j

Male.

Female.

Male.

Female.

Male.

Female.

Whites

45
4

2-
9'

( 'oloured

Half-breeds

1 adians

7
24

Chinese

1
1

Japanese

122

Department of Justice.

No. 21.

iReturn of Punishments awarded in British Columbia Penitentiary during the Year

1891-92.

Nature of Punishment.

Total.

Bread and water, with hard bed

4
3
1

1
1

3
1

....

1
1

4
1

1
1
1

4
5

6
2

27
21

Deprived of light

Received corporal punishment

1
36

2
1

Admonished

No. 22.

Return of Remission of Sentence earned by Convicts in British Columbia Peniten-
tiary since date of Imprisonment.

Number.

Number

Days.

Number.

Number

Days.

1 convict earned

2 convicts earned

4
6

8
10
15
17
19
20
21
27
30
32
33
36
38|
47
48
50
51
53i
62
60|
79"
80i
82*
831
84f
91
93
934
94
95

1 convict earned

1 do

1211
122

2 do

2 convicts earned

125

1 convict earned

136!
145

1 convict earned

1 do '

1 do

149

1 do

153

1 do

156!
168

1 do

2 convicts earned

1 do

17H
174

1 convict earned.

1 do

2 convicts earned

1 do

176

1 do

176!
177

1 do

1 convict earned. . . .

1 do

190

1 do

225

3 convicts earned. . .

1 do

253

1 convict earned

1 do

268

1 do

280

1 do

284

1 do

303|
310

1 do

- convicts earned. .

1 do

311

2 do

1 do

339i

1 convict earned . .

1 do

351

1 do . .

1 do

356!
362

1 do

424

1 do

5391
656"

2 convicts earned. . .

1 do

1 convict earned .

1 do

761

2 convicts earned.

1 do

843

2 do

123

5G Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

A. 1893

No. 23.

Table of Earnings of Convicts in each description of Labour at the British Columbia
Penitentiary for the Year ended 30th June, 1892.

Tailoring

Farming

Shoemaking

House-cleaning

Clearing land

Cooking

Carpentering

Baking

Building wharf

Blacksmithing

Cribbing ravine

Driving team

Washing

Piling manure

Making fence

Weeding

Orderly

Gai-dening

Making road

Attending stable

Cleaning road

Picking stones. ......

Mending clothes

Working in ravine

Whitewashing

Building photo studio .

Laying waterpipe

Shovelling coal

Painting

Shovelling snow

Building range

Description.

Number

Days.

3,509*
2,490"
2,490
1,660
l,503i
926
853
607
5381
501
4821
451*
431"
337i
335
329i
301
288
261
183^
176
95
88
73|
64
63
56
49
35
26
8

19,2121

Rate per
Dav.

$ cts.

0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50
0 50

Amount.

$ cts

1,754 75

1,245 00

1,245 00 j

830 00

751 75

463 00 j

426 50

303 50]

269 25

250 50 j

241 25

225 75

215 50

168 75

167 50

164 75

150 oil

144 00 '

130 50

91 7fi

88 00

47 50

44 00

36 7£

32 0C;

31 5(

28 0(j

24 5<(

17 5<

13 (Xj

4 0(

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124

Department of Justice.

No. 24.

jIST of the Staff at the British Columbia Penitentiary on the 30th June, 1892, giving
Salary, Bank, Nationality, Eeligion, Age and date of Appointment.

Name.

\itlmr H. McBride. . .

I aim's Fitzsimmons . . .

\V. A. De Wolf Smith.

I Keary

;.\. \{, Jamieson. . . .
F.Guertin, O.M.I

Pirns. A Mclnnes

W. J. Carroll.

reo. Mackenzie

\. Coutts

lames Miller

'has. X. Derrah

ruy W. Walker

Thus. \V. Quilty

Hamilton McKee

Finlay Stewart

lames Doyle

Patrick Smyth

U. J. Robertson

I). C. McGillivray . . . .
Adam Jackson

Mm McXiven.. . .
Patrick Fiunegan.
Thomas Sampson.
W. A. Patchell...
K. J. Muldoon....
Daniel MeMaster.

Salary

per
Annum.

2,150

1,400

600

1,100

600
600
800
630
750
750
660
660
600
600
600
600
600
600
590
590
590
560
560
530
530
500
500
530

Rank.

Warden

Deputy warden

Surgeon

Accountant, storekeej

er and schoolmaster,
Protestant chaplain. . .

R. C. chaplain

Steward

Hospital overseer

Trade instructor

Keeper

Guard

Teamster

Guard

Messenger and guard .
Guard

Nation-
ality.

Ireland .

do .

Canada .

Ireland .

do .
Canada .

do .
U. State
Scotland
Canada .
Scotland
Canada.
England
Canada.
Ireland .
Canada .

do .
Ireland .
Canada .

do .
Australia
Ireland .
Scotland
Ireland .
England
Canada .

do .

Religion.

Presbyterian

Roman Catholic. . . .
Episcopalian '

Roman Catholic

Presbyterian

Roman Catholic. . . .

Methodist

Roman Catholic. . . .
Presbyterian

Episcopalian

Roman Catholic

Presbyterian

do
Roman Catholic.

Presbyterian

Roman Catholic.

Episcopalian

Reformed Episcopal

Presbyterian

Roman Catholic. . . .

Methodist

Episcopalian

Roman Catholic. . . .

Age

Date
of
Appoint-
ment.

May 16, 78.

Aug. L2, 78.
Nov. 1, '87.

Mar. 10, '84.
Jan. 4, 79.
May 15, '89 .

do 10, '82.
July 23, '86.
Nov. 1, '83.
Oct. 1, '86.
Sept. 24, '88.
Nov. 1, '88.
May 17, '92
Jan. 18, '82.
Nov. 7, '84.
April 1, "85.
Oct. 1, '86.
Feb. 21, 79.
Oct. 11 , '87
Dec. 26, '87 .
May 18, '88.
Oct. 1, '88.
June 1, '89
Mar. 0, '90 .
April 1, '90.
Aug. 18, '90.
Oct. 1, '90.
Feb. 1, '91 .

No. 25.

JReturn ahowing number of Volumes in Protestant and Eoman Catholic Libraries,
respectively, showing number of Convicts who have used books from each
Library; the number of Volumes issued during the year and the number of
Volumes added.

Number of volumes at beginning of year

do do added during year

do do on 30th June, 1892

do of prisoners using library

do of volumes issued during the year

125

Protestant
Library.

383
46

429

2,704

Catholic
Library.

201

239

1,300

Total.

584

litis

4.004

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Department of Justice.

No. 27.

Details of Expenditure, British Columbia Penitentiary, for the Year ended 30th

June, 1892.

Staff Salaries.

Warden, Arthur H. McBride

Deputy warden and chief keeper, Jas.

Fitzsimmons

Accountant, storekeeper and school-
master, W. H. Keary

Surgeon, W. A. DeWolf Smith

Chaplain, Rev. R. Jamieson

do Rev. K. Guertin, (). M. I. . .
do do arrears

Stew aid, Thos. A. Mclnnes

Hospital overseer, W. J. Carroll.
Trade instructor, George Mackenzie. . .

do A. Coutts

do Chas. N. Derrah

do Jas. Miller

do Kenneth McRae

do Guy W. Walker

Keeper, Thos. W. Quilty..

Guards, at $600 j)er annum

do 590 do

do 560 do

do 530 do

do 500 do

Teamster

Messenger

Uniforms.

10 yds. braid mohair, at 20c.

7i gross buttons

25$ yds. frieze, at 65c

25 summer hats, at $1.50. .. .

25 winter hats, at $4

2 lbs. rubber tissue, at $4. . .
202| yds. blue serge, at 60c. .
168 yds. blue serge, at 55c. . .

38 yds. blue serge, at 70c

Wrappings

Ration)

1,4294 lbs. beef, at 12*

11,306^ lbs. beef, at 9c

U ton bran

266 lbs. butter, at 30c

Christmas extras

3,876 lbs. salmon, at 6c

254 brls. flour, at $5,85

35 lbs. lard, at 10c

1 kitchen range

135 galls, molasses, at 45c

50 lbs. pepper

1,200 lbs. rice, at 4c

2,900 lbs. salt, at lc

I H00 lbs. soap, at 4c

S lbs. soap, shaving, at 40c

-,271 lbs. sugar, at 5|c

279 lbs. tea, at 26c

398 H>s. tobacco, at 52c

I 724 galls, vinegar, at 60c

Woods <fc Gamble, professional services

Cloth ing.

is awls

1 barometer

2 oz. bristles, at .$1 ]

99 yds. brown Holland, at 16c.

cts .

2,150 00

1,400 00

1,1(1(1
600
600
600

165

800

630

750

660

495

600

1,800

1,770

560

1,590

1,000

600

560

19,915 26

100

121

414 42

178 68

,017 58

47 50

79 80

46 88

232 56

,485 90

3 50

130 00

60 75

2 50

48 00

29 00

32 00

10 00

130 58

72 54

206 96

43 50

2 50

3,860 73

Clothing Concluded.

Buckles

'M gross buttons, at 25c

4 lb. shoe buttons, at $1 .50*

56 yds. canvas, heavy, at 45c

200 yds. canvas, coat, at Kic

2 chamois skins, at $]

1 chest measure

10 pis. cork soles, at 25c

496 j yds. cotton

2 boxes crayons, tailors, at $1 .25. .

10 gross eyelets, at 50c

-j doz. feather dusters, at .$14

1 doz. hafts, awl

2 pi's, hair-clippers, at $7

121g yds. hair cloth, at 37^c

6 hammers, at 65c

28 doz. handkerchiefs, at $3

44 doz. hats, straw, at $1 . 50

1 heelshave

212 yds. Italian cloth, at 75c

4 kit lamps, at 80c

1 leather patching machine

67 ft. leather Canadian buff, at 25c .

19 lbs. do harness, at 30c

114^ lbs. leather pebble, at 25c .

134 lbs. do
1128 lbs. do
3624 lbs. do
20 sq.ft. do
135^ yds. linen,

California sole, at 40 .

B. C. sole, at 30c

B. C. upper, at 60c . .

welt, at 25c

Forfar, at 25c

43| yds. linen, French, at 25c. .
130 yds. lining, fancy, at 25c . . .

3 lining, shoe, at $1

6 doz. prs. mitts, at $5.50

nails, brass, at 40c

do Hungarian, at 15c.

iron, at 14c

channel, at 40c. . . .
channel, at 35c. . . .

do
do
do

38 lbs.
57 lbs.
40 lbs.
6 lbs.

6 lbs.

Needles

14 galls, oil, sperm, $4

Packing

5 reams paper, pattern

7 reams paper wrapping

3 reams locks, at 60c

l^lbs. rivets, at $1.40

1 quire sand-paper

3 sewing machines, at $70

Sharpening shears

1 doz. shears, tailors

3J gross shoe hooks, at 75c

Shoemaker varnish, etc

2 galls, shoe pegs, at 25c

1954 yds. silesia, at 25c

2834 yds. silesia, at 20c

7 skins, Canadian calf, at $1

22 lbs. skin Canadian kip, at 85c . .
58| lbs. skin, French calf, at $1.60.

6 skins, French kid, at $2.75

24 lbs. skin, French kip, at $1.40. .

f doz. skins, sheep, at $15

14 doz. skins, sheep, at $10.50

1 gross steel shanks

9 lbs. shoe tacks

2 thermometers, at $2

9 gross, cotton spools, at $5.75. . . .

2 doz. linen spools, at $4.20

9 lbs. shoe thread, at $1.25

14 doz. spools silk thread, $12

1594 yds. towelling, at 124c

34 doz. towels

s cts.

2 40
'.i 25

0 75
25 20

32 oo
2 00
5 00
2 50

47 81

2 50

5 00

3 50

1 00

14 00
45 51

3 90
84 oo

6 75

1 50
159 00

3 20

75 00
36 75

5 70

28 62

53 SO

338 40

217 50

5 00

33 81

10 94

32 50

3 00

33 00

15 20
8 55

5 60

2 40
2 10

11 35

6 00

0 50
49 40
31 00

1 80

2 10
0 50

210 00
0 75

19 75
2 50

11 47
0 50

48 87

76 70

7 00
18 70
93 20

16 50
33 00
11 25
15 75

6 00

7 15

4 00
51 75

8 40
11 25

18 00

19 94

20 30

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18)

No. 21. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892-

4. 1893

■Continued.

Cloth ing — Concluded.

Tanning

2 lbs. twine, at $1.10

Twist machine

12 lbs. wax, bees, at 75c . .
6J lbs . wax, shoe, at 35c. .
h gross webbing, at $3.50:
156 lbs. yarn, at 60c

Convicts' Travelling Allowance.

1 convict.

do
do
do
do
do

at $12.50.
at 15.00.
at 17.50.

Discharge Cloth ing.

186^ yds. canvas, at 16c.

14 collars, at 25c

14 hats, felt

195§ yds. flannel

I85 yds. Italian cloth . . .

14 neckties, at 25c

212^ yds. tweed, at 70c. .

Bedding.

1 bedstead

150 yds. canvas, at 45c

2 doz. counterpanes, at $15 .
1 mattress

Chapels

Organists' salaries

1 bottle communion wine

1 doz. hymn books

20 hymn books, Chinese, at 25c.

Library.

141 hooks for Catholic library

48 books for Protestant library

1 B.C. Directory

1 map of New Westminster

Sub. !» nios. " Dailv Colonist," at $1.
Sul). 12 inos. " Columbian," at $1. . . .

School.

6 doz. slates, at

12d.

date pencils, ;it

Escapes.

1 doz. 1 plates

{ doz. I plates, at $1 .
1 doz. cabinet plates. . .
1 roll printing paper

camera

I developing, h photos

Travelling expenses, pd. ( ruard Quilt}

for- detective

$ cts.

18 00

2 20

109 83

9 00

2 27

1 75

93 60

2,418 86

267 50

118

301 09

106 75

100

1
1
5

107 00

170 96

21 00

Escapes — Concluded.

Travelling expenses,, pd. Guard Jackson
do do Smyth.,

do do McNiven

do do Stewart .

Hospital.

3 lbs. acet. scillse, at 10c ...

f lbs. acid boracic, at 15c

5 oz. antipyrine, at $2.25

2 rolls antiseptic gauze, at $2.25.. .
10 lbs. aqua amon. fort, at 12c ....

2 lbs. barley, pearl

h gall. bay. rum, at $6

4 doz. .Johnston's fluid beef, at $6.
1 bottle beef, iron and wine

3 j galls, benzine, at 25c

If lbs. bismuth carb. , at $8

1 bottle black draught

24 doz. bottles

1 arm. atropia sulphas

6 stock bottles, at 50c

20 doz. nests boxes, chip, at 12|c.
h doz. nests boxes, pill, at 25c

2 brushes, at $5.50

2 oz. cam ph. salol, at $1.50

4 lbs. cas. sagrada, at 75c

2 lbs. chloroform, at $1.75. ..... .

10 lbs. chloride of lime, at 7c

rj doz. chlorodine C.B., at $6

1 oz. codia

5 gro. corks, at 20c

If lbs. cotton, absorb., at $2

1 box courtplasters

16 lbs. crackers, at 7c

\ lb. creosote, at $1.60

7 galls, cod liver oil

i gall, olive oil, at $1.50

1 gall, oil morrhua

100 pil. antipyrene, at 4c

100 pil. camph. mono., at 2c

500 pil. cath. co

3 bx. pil. Cockle's, at 75c

10 doz. pil. quin. sulph., at 20c. . .

1 doz. bottles porter

2 lbs. pot. bitart, at 30c

1 lb. pot. chlor

1 lb. pot. chlor. tablets

2 oz. quinine, at 40c

1 oz. quin. sulph

8 oz. rhei pulv, at 31 ^c

3 lbs. sal. Rochelle, at $1

10 lbs. salts, Epsom, at 5c

1 bottle sarsaparilla

1 box silicon

2 bars soap, at $1.50

9 cakes soap, acid carb., at 20c. . .
74 lbs. soap, castile, at 9c

3 boxes soap, cuticura, at $1.05. .
h doz. soap, Pear's, at $3

6 lbs. soda bicarb, at 15c

1 do salicylate

2 prs. spectacles, at $2.50

7fj lbs. sponges, at 75c

4 lbs. spr. camph. co.,

4 do ether nitr. , at 70c

2 stockings, silk elastic, at $3

1 roll sul). gauze

70 11 >s. sulphur, at 4c

128

15 lhs. sulph. magnesia, at 20c. . . .

10 syringes

3 bottles syrup, Fellow's, at $1.50.
1 lb. syrup ferri iodid

Department of Justice.

No. 27. — Details of Expenditure for the Yearendei 30th June, 1892 — Continued-

Hospital — Concluded.

\ do/., bottles syrup of figs, at $0.

13 lbs. syrup simplex, at 50c

I ll)s. taraxicum fid. ex., at $2. . .

benzoin, at 60c

calumba, at 20c

do card, co

campli. co., at 40c

fern, mur., at 20c

gent, co., at 35c

mix vomica

opii, at 75c

opii camph. co., at 40c. .

rhci co

senega, at 50c

senna, at $1.25

tolu, at $1.50

zingiber

lbs. tr

2 do

\ do
1 do

3 do

4 do

1 do

3 do

2 do
2 do

1 do

15 bottles triturates, Wyeth's, at $1.
.') trusses

5 o/.s. ung. pat. iodid, 50c

'.I lbs. vaseline, at 20c

2 bottles Witch Hazel ex., at 50c. . .

12 do/., eggs, at 15c

11 emp. bellad

10 bottles fruit salts, at $1 .

3 ozs. ferri et quin. cum strych., 75c.

Fruits

10 lbs. glycerine, at 75c

2 graduates, at 75c

10 lbs. gum camph. at 85c

3 bottles hydrangia, at $2

1 o/.. hyd. sub. chlor

4 ozs. iodoform, at $1

li rolls isinglass plaster, at $1

!) bottles lactopeptine, at $1

2 lbs. lin. aconite, at $2

2 do belladon., at $2

11 do saponis, at $1

lib lint

\ doz. lith. hydrangia, at $24

36 lbs. meal, linseed, at Gc

350 lbs. meal, oat, at 4c

20 lbs. mutton, at 12ic

cts.

50
50

on
20
60
to
80
Id
40
00
25
60
50
50
50
no
65
00
00
00
80
oo
so

00
25
05
50
50
50
00

00
00

00
00
55

50
00
50

Total for maintenance.
Heating

174,! tons coal, at $0

1 door and frame for bake-oven

180 lbs. grate bars

1 doz. pokers 1

- stoves |

1 Btoveback [

140 lbs. stoveback castings, at 15c

;. doz. tongs, at $6

387
7,662

Light.

'•"Kails, eoal oil, at 22c.
662,900 ft. gas

I doz. lanterns

II gross matches, at 50c.
24 bundles wicks, at 10c.

1,048 50
7 30
40
50
50
25
oo
00

1,125 45

Repairs to Bid/dings.

1 boiler and cover

Brushes, J)amt and whitewash.
Butts and hinges

1,937

1,965 05

Repairs to Buildings Concluded.

( 'ement and lime

1 east in n door front

Piles, assorted

Furniture furnishings

Glass

80 lbs. glue

1 heater coil

Locks and keys

Lumber

Methylated spirits

Nails and spikes

Oil, linseed

Oil sperm

Plumbing and gas fitting

Piping, valves and unions

25 padlocks

Paint

Patent driers

82 lbs. putty, at 5c

Repairing bake-oven

Repairing furnace and boiler-

Roof plate and cap

30 lbs. rope, at 20c

Sand-paper and emery cloth

41 gross screws

1 sink

1 steel tape

48 pkgs. tacks

Tar

Tools for carpenter and blacksmith shop?

Tracing cloth and drawing pins

30 galls, turpentine

Twdne

Varnish and shellac

2 water closets

Whiting

Wire

Zinc, lead and solder

Armour 1/ .

1 cap extractor

Caretaking

2,400 cartridges

1 Dominion flag

2 lbs. powder, at $1.

000 shells, cartridge.
2 sacks shot

1 shotgun

1 box wads

129

Kitchen.

7 bake-pans

1 doz. bath-bricks

25 lbs. blueing, at 10c

4 boilers, at $9

4 doz. brooms, at $3

59 buckets, galvanized

4 doz. buckets, wooden, at $4.50.

8 butcher knives

1 carpet-sweeper

0 doz. clothespins, at 5c

h doz. dusters, at $14

2 frying-pans, at 00c

1 sheet galvanized iron

\ doz. ladles, at $2.50

144 lbs. lye

2 meat saws, at $3.25

1 set meat scales

1 doz. mop-handles

Piping, bends, elbows, &c

s cts.

73 50

0 50
2 40

13 14

28 50

23 oo
15 00

11 2'A
52!) 52

10 00
98 25
43 70

1 oo
17:» oi

39 33

17 50

112 35

4 40

4 10

60 oo

12 20

2 50
6 00

14 40

24 50
6 oo

11 50

4 80*

5 00
62 90

5 30

29 00
4 20

45 75

17 50

54 50

!) 30

17 91

2,033 72

0 25

24 00

69 40

23 00

2 00

7 05

4 00

75 00

0 75

205 45

3 00

3 00
2 50

36 00
12 oo
69 90
18 00
10 10

5 50

0 30
7 00

1 80
1 50
1 25

23 04

6 50
12 00

4 50

7 85

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 18.) A. 1893

No. 27. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Continued.

Kitchen — Concluded.

2 galls, pipe varnish, at 75c

Repairing boiler

50 lbs. sal soda

3 sauce-pans

1 doz. scrubbing-brushes

1 doz stove-brushes

2 sieves, at 75c

500 lbs. soap, at 4c

6 doz. soup-dishes, at $3

1 steamer

1 steel sink

\ gross stove polish, at 50c

4 doz. strainers, at $2.50

6 doz. table knives, at $4.50

12| doz. table spoons, at $1.50

15 sheets tin, at 20c

6 doz. tin cups, at $1.50

25jt doz. toilet paper

4 wall-brushes

4 water-sprinklers, at 65c

9 doz. water-tins

10 doz. whisks, at $1

1 wringer

14 lbs. zinc, at 12^c

12 doz. tin plates

Stationery.

1 case

2 baskets, paper

Farm.

\ doz. axes, at $15

2 tons barley

4 barrels, at $1.12J

6 baskets, at $1

6,200 lbs. bran

36 lbs. chain, at 8c

6 doz. handles, axe and pick, at $4.50
h doz. hay forks, at $!)

15 loads manure, at 50c

1^ doz. manure forks

3 sets maul rings, at $1

66 feet oak lumber, at 13c

8 plough points, at 75c

Powder, fuse, etc

.', doz. rakes, at $7

248 lbs. rope, at 18c

1 doz. scythe stones

2 doz. sections for mower

Seeds

Service of bull

2 tons shorts

1 single-tree

300 ft. vitrified drain pipe, at 29c. . . .
60 wagon spokes, at 15c

$ cts.

1 50

1 25

2 50
7 25

15 00

5 50
1 50

20 00

18 00

4 00

3 50

0 25

1 25
27 00
18 75

3 00

9 00

88 08

6 50

2 60
23 25
10 00
10 00

1 75
9 90

517 67

0 50
2 50

3 00

7 50

73 75

4 50

6 00
88 00

2 88
27 00

4 50

7 50
13 75

3 00

8 58
6 00

86 75
3 50

44 64

1 50

8 25
61 41

2 00
71 25

0 75

87 00

9 00

Farm — Concluded.

50 lbs. wheat, at 2^c

I doz. wheelbarrows, at $25.

Stables.

3 doz. axle grease, at $3

550 lbs. barley, at 2|c

i ton bran

1 tin harness oil

1 breast plate

1 collar

1 set harness, single

1 pair horse clippers

2 horse rasps, at $1

2 pipe cutter rollers, at 50c . . . .
llf lbs. rubber packing, at 50c

2 rugs, at $4.50

\ ton shorts, at $37.50

3 doz. fire bolts, at 12c

3 doz. waggon bolts, at 25c. . . .
1 whip

Furniture.
20 yds. damask, at $1 ... .

Total for working expenses .

Miscellaneous.

Telegrams

Postage

Freight charges.
Express charges .

Advertising

Telephone

Wharf

Queen's Printer.
Stationery Office.

Industries,

Cocks, valves, &c

4,075 lbs. Cumberland coal, at lfc

2h kegs, horse-shoe, at $9

15 lbs. horse-shoe nails, at 15c. . . .

Iron

Steel '.

Tools for blacksmish shop

Tools for carpenter shop

Grand Total

$ cts.

1 25
12 50

642 76

9 00
12 37

17 50

0 75

4 00

5 00
36 00

2 25

2 00

1 00
5 87
9 00 j

18 751
0 36
0 75

3 00 1

127 601

20 00

6,640 7(1

90 3(
44 01
27 U
6 5(|
51 0i '

84 m

1,379 6<
74 8
55 2

1,812 el

71
22

135

44 (

46 (

346 (

36,626 ■

130

Department of Justice.

\T(>. 27. — Details of Expenditure for the Year ended 30th June, 1892 — Concluded.

RECAPITULATION.

off :
Salaries. .
Uniforms.

laintenanct :

Stations

Clothing

Travelling allowance
Discharge clothing. . .

Bedding

Chapels

Libraries

School

Escapes

Hospital

'orking Expenses :

Heating

Light

Repairs to buildings.

Armoury

Kitchen

Stationery

Farm

Stables

Furniture

sedlaneous :

Telegrams

Postage

Freight charges. .
Express charges.

Advertising

Telephone

Wharf

Queen's Printer. .
Stationery Office.

ilustritx :
Sundries

Refunded by warden

Total.

Grand Total.

19,915 26

1 1 » 12

3,860 ?:'.

2,418 86
267 :><>
30] on

IOC) 75
107 00
171 76
21 00
20 15
387 83

1,125 45

1,065 05

2,033 72

205 45

517 67

3 00

642 76

127 60

20 00

90 30
44 00
27 16
6 50
51 00
84 00
1,379 60
74 84
55 27

$ cts.

20,329 68

7,662 (57

6,640 70

1,812 67

346 04

36,791 76
80 00

36,711 76

131

5G Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 18.)

No. 28.

Balance Sheet, British Columbia Penitentiary, for Fiscal Year ended
Dr. 30th June, 1892. Cr.

Buildings

Land

Fencing

Tailor shop

Sundries

Farm

Store room

Wing

Shoe shop

Stables

Catholic chapel

Armoury

Warden's residence

Deputy warden's quarters .

Wash house

Blacksmith shop

Hospital

Accountant's office

Protestant chapel

Carpenter's shop

Halls

Convict's kitchen

Warden's office

Bakery

Lamp room

Steward's office.

Guards' room

Womans' department

Guards' quarters

Officers' dining room . . .
Meat room

To Balance.

cts.

217,511 00

89,500 00

9,750 00

4,246 Gl

2,939 00

2,682 10

2,548 22

2,230 20

1,335 92

1,257 10

1,104 26

1,028 05

1,003 25

984 75

968 85

850 51

753 30

655 25

615 50

583 06

372 25

332 70

162 80

128 10

122 60

95 40

57 65

48 95

47 45

40 95

31 00

343,986 78

343,980,

132

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 1893

DEPARTMENT

MILITIA AND DEFENCE

OF THE

DOMINION OF CANADA,

REPORT

FOR THE

HALF-YEAR ENDED 30th JUNE, 1892

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT.

OTTAWA

PRINTED BY S. E. DAWSON, PRINTER TO THE QUEEN'S MOST
EXCELLENT MAJESTY

1893

[No. 19—1892.] Jfrice 5 cents.

Militia and Defence.

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Sir Frederick Arthur Stanley, Baron
Stanley of Preston, in the County of Lancaster, in the Peerage of the United
Kingdom, Knight Grand Gross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath,
Governor- General of Canada.

My Lord, —

I have the honour to forward to Your Excellency the accompanying Report of
the Department of Militia and Defence of the Dominion of Canada for the half-year
ended 30th June, 1892, which is respectfully submitted.

I have the honour to be,

My Lord,

Your Excellency's most obedient servant,

J. C. PATTERSON,
Minister of Militia and Defence.

Department op Militia and Defence,

Ottawa, 15th December, 1892.

Militia and Defence.

CONTENTS OF REPORT

DEPARTMENT OF MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

HALF-YEAR ENDED 30™ JUNE, 1892.

Page,
kpoet of the deputy minister of mllitia and defence :

Present report, to end of fiscal year only ' \ ii

General Officer Commanding, Report of vii

Changes made in organization, &c, of Permanent Forces vii

Other measures of improvement suggested vii

("amps being held later in the year, those operations not in present report vii

Cartridge Factory, changes in machinery, may be required vii

Ammunition manufactured during half-year viii

Revenue obtained from Militia sources viii

Estimates, proportionate increase recommended , viii

Financial statement for fiscal year 1891-92 viii

lppbndix No. 1 to Report of the Deputy Minister.

Report of the General Officer Commanding the Militia: —

Present report supplementary, being to 30th June only 1

Returns submitted as Appendices, list of I

Permanent Forces, Return of personnel (Appendix A) ]

Discipline, comparison with previous year (Appendix B) . . . 2

Schools of Instruction, increased activity in (Appendix C) 2

Permanent Corps, development of regimental organization in 2

do do higher education of Officers again recommended 2

do do Medals (Imperial) for long service and good conduct 2

Active Militia, measures taken towards increased efficiency 2

Inspections, instructions as to manner of carrying out 2

Competition, system of, established 2

Absence without leave from inspection, check upon 2

Prizes for efficiency offered by Sir Donald Smith 2

do in other Districts, hoped for 2

Training in 1892-93, number provided for 2

do Comparison of numbers with two past years 3

do cost of, remarks on 3

do do transport, &c. , of Rural Militia 3

Organization, of Military Districts, changes in 3

' Staff, changes should be carried out 3

Active Militia, regimental reorganization 3

do separation of the two categories 3

( llothing, issues, absence of system in 3

Money allowance to city Corps recommended 3

Volunteer system, United Kingdom, referred to 3

Equipment, condition worse than before represented 4

Saddlery issued, unfit for use . . 4

Boots " do do 4

Material, Field Artillery, bad state of 4

Arms, most suitable new rifle, enquiry respecting. 4

Ammunition produced by Cartridge Factory, remarks upon 4

Rifle Ranges, not servicable for modern rifles 4

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 189:

PA<j

Appendix No. 1 to Report of the Deputy Minister — Concluded.

Report of the General Officer Commanding the Militia — Concluded.

Stores, system of issue to the Militia, objected to

Purchase should be vested in civil branch

Custody, inspection and issue, in military executive. . .

Store-houses inspected, report upon

Store Branch, reorganization urged

Workshops, military, in each District advocated

Ordnance, obsolete, should be disposed of

New, should be obtained with the proceeds

Barrack accommodation, Winnipeg, now provided

Kingston, sanitary condition bad

Works, defensive, old, plans for utilization of

Staff reorganization, again recommended

Appendices to Report of the General Officer Commanding : —

A. — Permanent Corps, Return of

B. — Courts Martial in Permanent Corps, Return of

C. —Cavalry, Artillery and Infantry Schools, number of Officers, &c. , who have

qualified in

D. — Local Headquarters, number of Officers and Men of City Corps trained at.

E. — Inspection Report of Corps included in Appendix D 10 i

F.— Royal Military College of Canada, Commandant's Report ]

Appendix No. 2 to Report of the Deputy Minister: —

Director of Stores, Report of

A. — S. A. ammunition issued for practice, 1st Jan. to 30th June, 1892

B. — do on repayment, do do

C. — Gunpowder, &c, issuedforpractice and salutes, do do

D. — Ordnance in possession of Militia and in Store charge on the 30th June, 1892. 34 ;-

Appendix No. 3 to Report of the Deputy Misister : -

Engineer Branch, Architect's Report 4

Appendix No. 4 to Report of the Deputy Minister: —

( Jartridge Factory, Superintendent's Report -I

Militia and Defence.

REPORT

Of THE

DEPUTY MINISTER

Department of Militia and Defence,

Ottawa, 14th December, 1892.

Sir, — The present report on the administration of the Department of Militia and

fence, to the 30th June last, is a report on six months' operations only. The Depart-

n of Militia and Defence was the only Department, the yearly report of which ran

■ h the calendar year to the 31st December, all the other branches of the Government

orting for the fiscal year ending on the 30th June. Great inconvenience, and delays

isons for which were not generally understood, arose from the impossibility of

paring and closing up returns until the calendar year was ended, the subsequent

ig and revision of proofs still further retarding the issue of the report. It has

ore been thought advisable, with your sanction, to adopt the course pursued in the

r Departments of the public service. In future, it is hoped that our report will be

at a very much earlier period.

The report of the General Officer Commanding will be found of great interest, deal-
ill as it does with matters of importance to the well-being and further development of
Militia system. Upon previous recommendations of Major General Herbert, several
es have already been made in the organization and regulations of the Permanent
. tending to bring these Corps up to the standard of efficiency that all bodies of
foliar soldiers should attain. Other measures are now suggested, for improvement in
I different branches of the service, and they will come up for your consideration as
h preliminary considerations are matured.

The greater part of the operations of the training of the Militia in camp during
; year 1892 took place after the 30th June; and I very much regret that, for this
. the present departmental report is devoid of much of the usual interest and
u.ility attached to those operations.

Should it be decided to introduce an improved rifle for the arming of the Militia,

- ae changes will be necessitated in the machinery of the Cartridge Factory. With the

• lit ion of one or two machines, however, and some changes in the existing plant, the

munition for the improved weapon can be promptly turned out at the Factory. I

lorn the Report of the Director of Stores (see page 28), that existing requirements,

'jth as regards small arm ammunition and shell, were fully met by the Factory, besides

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 18!

the reserve in magazine charge being added to. Of the Martini-Henry ammunition nc
produced at the Factory, a quarter of a million rounds were turned out during the
year ; and it will be observed from the Superintendent's report (Appendix No. 4 heret
that the output for the year 1892, of small arm ammunition, will not fall far short of U
million rounds. This ammunition has been tested, and has given the greatest satisfactic

I have the honour to report, as regards financial matters, that in some cases
amounts voted by Parliament were found to be insufficient for the requirements of tl
service, and. in consequence an increase will now be necessary.

Although the Department of Militia and Defence is not supposed to add much
the general revenue of the Dominion, it will be seen by referring to the report of
Director of Stores (Appendix No. 2) that during the fiscal year the amount of $20,125.
was deposited to revenue. The whole of the amount, except $4,450.78 paid in forrei
represents moneys deposited to the credit of the Receiver General for the purchase j
ammunition, military stores and clothing. These purchases are of constant occurren!
and are on the increase. This amount, therefore, is equivalent to a refund of just so mi
of the money that had been voted for the Militia, and our Estimates, may therefore!
considered as practically curtailed to that extent. I would also beg to point out thai
large amount of the Vote for the Royal Military College is likewise recouped in the sal
way, by deposits to revenue made by Cadets, amounting this year to the sum of $18,679.
In view of these facts, I would respectfully recommend that a proportionate increz
allowed in the Estimates, in order that the Militia service may receive the full value
the money which it is the intention to vote for its maintenance and development.

The Militia expenditure for 1891-92 was as follows : —

Militia Expenditure, 1891-92.

Salaries, Head Quarter staff $ 6,600 00

District staff.: '. . . 10,983 32

Brigade Majors 13,684 SO

Royal Military College. « 63,949 31

Ammunition, clothing and stores 191,403 03

Public Armouries and care of arms 59,884 52

I )rill pay and camp purposes 251,125 70

Drill instruction 36,314 15

Contingencies 38,882 38

Dominion of Canada Rifle Association 10,000 00

" Artillery Association 2,000 00

Drill sheds, rifle ranges and military properties 31,370 12

( lonstruction and repairs 63,680 79

Permanent ForceSj Cavalry, Artillery and Infantry;

.Hid Schools of .Military Instruction 479,166 38

Monuments, Battle fieldsdf Canada 50 00

Expenses, formation and drill of a new Kilted Battalion

at. Toronto 5,000 00

viii

Militia and Defence.

Provincial rifle range, Sussex, N.B $ 500 00

Improved rifled ordnance 1,713 55

Ordinary Militia expenditure $1,266,308 05

North-west service (Rebellion 1885) 3,956 47

$1,270,264 52

Pensions, 1891-92.

War of 1812 and subsequent service, down to 1839

(Upper Canada) $ 2,720 00

Annual grant to surviving veterans 1812-15 540 00

Active service (Fenian Raids, &c.) 3,147 50

Rebellion, N.W.T., 1885 20,604 45

$ 27,011 95

Revenue, 1891-92.

Casual revenue $ 163 29

Extra ammunition $ 11,722 27

Stores and clothing 3,969 14

Miscellaneous , 1,556 59

Rents, military properties 4,450 78

21,698 78

$ 21,862 07

Royal Military College 18,679 62

$ 40,541 69

Number of Pensioners, 1891-92.

War of 1812 and subsequent service, down to 1839

(Upper Canada) 32

Surviving Veterans, 1812, receiving an annual grant.. 18

Active service (Fenian Raids, &c.) 20

Rebellion, N.W.T., 1885 104

174

The report of Lieutenant White, Acting Architect in the absence through illness

of Mr. James, which report will be found in Appendix No. 3, calls for no special

ix
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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.)

A. 18931

comment. The duties which have devolved upon Lieutenant White have been ver
efficiently performed, and he has here given in detail an account of the works of repai
and maintenance of Militia buildings that have been carried on under the Enginee
branch of the Department.

I have the honour to be, sir, **

Your obedient servant.

C. EUG. PANET, Colonel,
Deputy Minister of Militia and Defence.

The Honourable

The Minister of Militia and Defence.

Militia and Defence.

AITKXDIX No. 1

REPORT OF THE DEPUTY MINISTER

MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Half-year ended 30th June, 1892.

{EPORT OF THE GENERAL OFFICER COMMANDING THE MILITIA.

Headquarters, Ottawa, 30th November; 1892.

The Honourable

The Minister of Militia and Defence.

Sir, — It having been decided, that in future the report of the Department of
►tiiitia and Defence shall extend over the whole period comprised within the fiscal
7ear closing on the 30th June annually, I have the honour to submit the following
is a supplement to the report, which was published under date of the 31st
December, 1891.

I do not propose to deal herein with matters other than those affected by
•ircumstances, which may have occurred within the fiscal period extending from
he 30th June, 1891, to the 30th June, 1892 ; consequently the details and results of
he Militia training, for which provision was made in the estimates for 1892-93,
lave been omitted, and will form the subject of a future report.

I submit herewith the following enclosures: —

1. Annual return of Permanent Corps of Active Militia. (Appendix A.)

2. Return of convictions by Court-martial. (Appendix B.)

3. Return of Officers, non-commissioned officers and men who have obtained
ertiricates of qualification at the Schools of Military Instruction. (Ap-
)endix C.)

4. Supplementary return of Officers and men drilled at local Headquarters in
'-891-92. (Appendix D.)

5. Inspection report of the Corps included in Appendix D. (Appendix E.)

H. The report of the Commandant of the Royal Military College. (Ap-
)endix F.)

The first of these returns (Appendix A) deals with the personnel of the
Permanent Force on the same principle as was adopted in my former report. A
■ine has been added to show the increase and decrease, under each heading, during
jhe past year, as compared with the, preceding one.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 1893 j

Appendix B shows an increase of 33 in the number of crimes dealt with by
Court-martial. This increase is almost entirely in one Corps — "B " Troop, Canadianj
Dragoons, at Winnipeg — which shows an increase of 25 cases tried by Court-martial,)
of which 12 occurred within the first two months of its organization. This fact
shows clearly the low ebb to which discipline had been allowed to fall in the!
" Mounted Infantry," from which this Troop was formed. The general increase of]
military crime is directly traceable to the same cause, viz., laxity of discipline'
in the past, and inequality in the manner of enforcing it.

Appendix C gives evidence of increased activity in the Schools of Military
Instruction. The returns for the year 1891 show that during the twelve months of
that year 304 Officers, N. C. Officers and men attended those Schools and obtained;
various certificates of qualification. Those now published show that in the first. six
months of the year 1892 that total was exceeded, and 312 certificates were granted.
As extra courses of instruction were organized this year, to be carried out in thej
months of July, August and September, there is reason to expect that the second!
six months of the year will yield equally satisfactory results.

A step has been taken towards remedying the defects of organization in th(J
Permanent Force, to which I referred in my previous report, by incorporating tluj
four Companies of Infantry into a Regiment, with the title of the " Canadian Regis
ment of Infantry," and by similarly connecting the two Troops of Cavalry, undej;
the title of the " Canadian Dragoons." The future development of the Regimenta
system, will make it possible to secure greater uniformity in drill, administra
tion, and in the standard of instruction, imparted at the Schools of Militan
Instruction.

There is much yet to be done to bring this small Force up to the level of th»
important duties devolving upon it. I regret that it has not been found possibl
to give effect to my recommendations, tending towards the higher education of th<
Officers, and I submit these again for your favourable consideration. The Officers ok
the Permanent Force must be professional soldiers, and to attain that charactei
they must devote themselves to the serious study of the profession they bav
adopted. They have little to look forward to in the way of material advantaged
and they have therefore the more right to expect, that the means be provided t
them for that education, by which alone they can become fitted, to perform efficienth
their duties as instructors of the Militia.

The Imperial Government has expressed its willingness to confer medals, fol
long service and good conduct, on non-commissioned officers and men of the Peij
manent Force, under conditions similar to those governing such rewards in th!
regular Army. I trust that means will be found to carry this desire into effecj
Such a distinction would be highly prized, and could not fail to be productive <
excellent results.

ACTIVE MILITIA.

In my previous report I attributed the lack of efficiency of a considerable paij
of the Active Militia to deficient inspection. Instructions have now been issued as tj
I he manner in which inspections are to be carried out, a system of competition hi|
been established, and measures have been taken lo check absence without leave froi
inspection. This practice has grown into a serious abuse, in certain city Corps »
.Militia, and if permitted to continue, must render abortive any attempt to raitj
the standard of efficiency in those Corps. I have pleasure in reporting thatthrouj
the generosity of Sir Donald A. Smith, K.C.M.G., prizes for efficiency have be(
offered for competition in No. 5 Military District, on the same principle as tho 1
established by Sir Casimir Grzowski, K.C.M.G., A.D.C., in No. 2 District. I am fu
ther encouraged in the hope of seeing similar prizes instituted in the other Militai
Dial riots of I be Dominion.

Arrangements have been made for the training in 1892-93 of 21,484 men of I
ranks of the Active Militia.

Militia ;m<l Defence.

The following comparative statement shows the numbers for which provision
made in the two preceding years : —

\ nil

L890-91. 1891-92.

Cfcvalrj

Field Artillery

Garrison Artillery.

Enjfineers

[nfantry

1,233
1,360

L8,036
20,629

L,186
1,360

17,778

20,324

1892-93.

1,722
L,360

L8,402

21,484

The increase this year has been made principally in the Cavalry, which costs
elatively about three times as much to train as the Infantry. Notwithstanding this
ict, however, the average cost per man trained will not exceed, and will probably
e less than in previous years. Nevertheless the cost of training the rural Militia
8 main 8 at a figure for which neither the country nor the men receive full value.
everal items of expenditure in connection with it, notably that of rail way transport,
inquire to be dealt with by executive enactments, under the powers conferred by the
|lilitia Act, 49 Vic, cap. 41, sects. 88, 89.

ORGANIZATION.

A considerable step has been taken in amending the organization of the Militia,
y the alteration of the boundaries of several of the Military Districts. The old
[ivisions, while adding to the cost of administration, were in certain cases so incon-
enient, as to render any arrangements for mobilization impossible. Authority has
eeu obtained for certain changes in the Staff of these Districts, and it is mo3t desir-
ble, in the interest of economy and efficiency-, that they be carried out.

It is an imperative necessity, that the .Regiments of Active Militia be likewise
ubmitted to a process of administrative reorganization. I have already, in my
aiiier report, pointed out the direction which this much-needed reform should take,
'he two categories of Militia should be separated, and placed under regulations
uitable to the conditions under which each performs its training. The establish-
ment of each Corps shouid be fixed so as to answer to the conditions of the locality to
fhich it belongs, and to the demands which may be made on it, both in time of peace
nd in the event of emergency. At present these establishments are not based on
ither tactical or administrative requirements.

CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT.

In my last report I drew attention to the unsatisfactory system, or more cor-
lectly to the absence of system, governing the issue of clothing to the Militia, and I
leeommended that, in the case of city Corps, the issue should be replaced by an
[llowance in money, and that the Commanding Officers should be entrusted with
esponsibility for the clothing of their Corps, subject to strict regulation and inspec-
ion. The sole objection, which has been urged against the practical character of
His proposal, is an alleged possible loss of uniformity. In once more urging it as the
fnly satisfactory solution of the question, I desire to draw your attention to the fact
hat two Battalions of the Canadian Militia at present procure the whole, and some
ther Battalions a part of their clothing in this manner. We have further the
■xample of upwards of 200,000 Volunteers in the United Kingdom, whose clothing,
•rovided entirely under regimental arraugement, is found satisfactory by the mili-

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A. 1891

tary authorities and by the men themselves. The system, therefore, is one whicl
has been subjected to a practical test. It has, moreover, met with universal su[
port from Commanding Officers of city Militia Corps, and the known capacity of th<
gentlemen in business matters, appears to me to invest their opinion, on such
subject, with considerable weight.

EQUIPMENT.

The condition of a large proportion of the equipment, in use in the Militia, il
even worse than I have already represented. Not only is a great part of it wori;
out with age, but much of that wnich is issued as new is of the worst possible quality
I have seen saddlery and other equipment, when issued fresh from store, which faih
to endure the ordinary usage of a twelve days' camp. I have seen boots, that had beei
issued to soldiers, the leather of which had no more consistency than paper.

The condition of the Artillery material, in possession of Field Batteries, is lik<
wise worse than I had been led to believe. I have now personally inspected nearl
all these Batteries, and I find that in many cases the carriages, which are of an ol'|
pattern, could not be depended upon to bear the strain of heavy firing. In soi
cases they require to be entirely renewed. .

ARMS.

An inquiry has been instituted, which is still proceeding, with a view to asceil
taming the most suitable small-bore rifle and carbine with which to re-arm tl
Militia. There are, however, two points of the highest importance, which have tj
be considered in connection with this question.

1st. The provision of Ammunition.
There is at present a considerable reserve of Snider ammunition, and the suppl
is maintained by the Dominion Cartridge Factory, which turns out an antiquat
form of cartridge. In order to manufacture the ammunition required for a model
small-bore rifle, considerable changes of machinery would be necessary, while tl
smokeless compound which has taken the place of gunpowder, in the modern fii
arm, could not be procured in Canada.

2nd. The provision of Rifle Ranges.

There is not more than one Eifle Eange in Canada, on which practice could
carried out to the full effective range of a modern rifle. There are few that adm|
of practice at a longer range than 600 yards, and many which are already consider*
unsafe for practice, even with the Snider rifle. The existence of abundant means f<|
practising rifle-shooting is as necessary a condition for attaining efficiency, as is
possession of good weapons. The question of providing such means cannot, therefo
be set aside when considering the advisability of arming the Militia with a ne|
weapon.

Whilst earnestly desiring to see the introduction of a better fire-arm, I cam
but recognize, that it would be a fruitless expenditure, were modern weapons plac
in the hands of the Militia, without due provision for the supply of ammunition tc
used with them, or for the means of instructing the men in their use.

STORES.

The system under which clothing, arms, equipment and military stores are
procured and issued to the Militia, appears to me open to very serious objection

The responsibility for purchasing stores, making contracts, viewing the sto:
furnished by contractors, as well as for their custody and final issue, is all vested
one Office, regardless of the conflict of opposing interests, affected, by the perfor
ance of duties of such widely different character. It would seem more in accorda
with business principles to vest the responsibility for purchase and contracts in
financial or civil branch of the Department, and give to the Military Executive
duties of custody, inspection and issue. This would be more easy since the amo
of stores (exclusive of obsolete and condemned articles) in possession of the Dep
incut amounts to little more than an " expense store" calculated to meet the curr
requirements of the Militia, but not providing for any reserve.

or
emi

Militia and Defence.

I have recently, by your desire, inspected a number of the Militia Storehouses,
bough theso do not fall within the regular sphere of my inspection. They are
Ilea1 with an accumulation of worn-out and worthless equipment, obsolete military
tores, and condemned utensils, for the care of which an unnecessary number of men
re employed. They are subject to no regular system of inspection, and there is no
sonal responsibility established in respect to them. The defect would be
edied by a readjustment of the duties of the Store Branch, such as I have
ggested. The establishment of military workshops in connection with the Stores
if each District, for repairing saddlery, harness, and other equipment, would effect
I great saving from the waste which now occurs.

I have caused a special inspection to be made of the Ordnance included in the
•Return of Ordnance" (Report of Director of Stores, 1891, Appendix D). The
result has been to show that the Department is in possession of a large amount of
fttterial of no military value, but which, if disposed of as old metal, would realize a
jonsiderable sum. I strongly recommend that this course be adopted, and that a
special appropriation be obtained from Parliament, equivalent to the proceeds of
<uch sale, to be expended in the purchase of modern Artillery material.

BARRACKS AND WORKS.

Acting upon the representations contained in my previous report, you have
!uithorized the necessary steps to be taken, for providing the much-needed barrack
'accommodation at Winnipeg, and there is every prospect that before the winter sets
nthe buildings will be sufficiently advanced, to admit of the men at that station being
suitably housed. The sanitary condition of other barracks, notably the T§te de Pont
barracks at Kingston, leaves much to be desired. Disease traceable to defective
sanitation is constantly present in those barracks.

In dealing with defensive works, I have submitted to you plans for the utiliza-
tion of certain old works, which have lost much of their defensive importance under
the conditions of modern warfare. By utilizing them as I propose, they will
ustify the expenditure necessary to maintain them, and the gradual obliteration of
these national monuments will be stayed.

STAFF.

I venture to quote the following from my published report on the Militia : —
" I am thoroughly convinced, that if the country is to receive an adequate return for
its Militia expenditure, a reorganization of the Staff is necessary. The first step in that
reorganization should be the more strict definition of the duties, and responsibilities, of the
Major-General Commanding the Militia, on the principle contained in Her Majesty's
Order in Council, appended to the Queen's Regulations for the Army. This should be
followed by the distribution of the Staff, in such manner as to ensure the proper perfor-.
miance of the duties and the maintenance of an efficient chain of responsibility J"

I have submitted details of a scheme, for the reorganization of the Staff, by which
I propose to gain economy in administration, combined with the systematic instruc-
tion of Staff Officers in those important branches of their duty, which have been
hitherto ignored. I venture to hope that this policy will be adopted by the Govern-
ment as the basis of a policy of Militia reorganization. Until some such solid
ifoundation is laid, the work of the Military Executive cannot produce any permanent
leffect, and it will continue to be seriously hampered. Much useful work has thisyear
been delayed, and the proposal, from which Hooked to obtain valuable aid, in dealing
jwith the scheme of defence for the Dominion, has been necessarily set aside, in con-
sequence of the difficulties arising, at the outset, from defective Staff organization.
! I conclude this report by urging the adoption of this most necessary measure.
Without it there will continue to exist in Canada, a condition of military impotence,
for the defence of her territory, side by side with the outward semblance of a mili-
tary body, devoid of the organization which constitutes the living spirit, and motive
I power, of such a body.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

IVOR HERBERT, Major-General,

Commanding Canadian Militia.
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Militia and Defence.
(APPENDIX B.)

Permanent Corps, Active Mtlitia,

Return of Convictions by Courts Martial from 1st July, 1891, to 30th June, 1892.

( lorps.

Disgraceful conduct of a
cruel, indecent or unna-
tural kind.

Offences against discipline,
i.e., insubordination and
insubordinate language.

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< lanadian ( " A " Troop

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1

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15
14

8
1
5
3

1
2
4
2

3
14

7
13

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28
29

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Canadian ( No. 1 Com pany ....

Regiment of I No. 2 Company. . .

Infantry 1 No. 3 Company.. . .

I No. 4 Company ...

Total Crimes

1X«)1-!)L> Total Crimes

Increase

10
4

14 60

101

25 42

128

Decrease

* 9

... .*

WALKER POWELL, Colonel,

Adjudant-General,

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No 19.)

A. 1892

(APPENDIX C.)

SCHOOLS OF MILITAEY INSTEUCTION.

Keturn of Officers, N. C. Officers and Men who have qualified in the Koyal Schools!
of Cavalry, Artillery and Infantry, with Grade of Certificate obtained, for thd
Half Year ending 30th June 1892.

School and Location.

Cavalry, Quebec

do Winnipeg.

Artillery, Kingston,
do Quebec . . .

d(i Victoria, B.C.
Infantry, Winnipeg

Long Course.

1st. 2nd

do London

do Toronto I

do St. John's, Quebec

do Eredericton . . ,

1st. 2nd

1 .

Short Course.

1st. 2nd

1st. 2nd.

2 1

3 ! 3

4 7
3 1

Special.

1st.

2nd.

16 9t . . .

4* . . .

2 j 2
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17 I 6
35
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23

111

Total.

Remarks.

31 f3 Equitation.

14 I* Equitation.

21 [

312

WALKEK POWELL, Colonel,

Adjutant-General.

Militia and Defence.

(APPKNDIX D.)

JLEMENTARY Return showing number of Officers and Men of the City Corps of

Active Militia trained in ihe year 1891-92 at Local Headquarters.

Military Distnct.

Authorized Esta-
blishment.

Received
12 1 >ays Training.

Received u

12 Days Tra

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N. C. O.'s and
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men.

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Office rs.

N. C. O.'s and

Men.

Horses.

No. 2 . .

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21

330
734
210

126
3

54
15

330
726
152

5
123

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1 35

10 6

20 8

5 23

Total

127

1,280

134

1,208

128

1 35

35 37

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ELL,

Adju

Colonel,
dant-General.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.)

A. 189
(APPP]

Inspection Report of the Cor

MILITARY DISTRICT

No. 2,

Lieutenant-Colonel W. D. OTTER,

Dep. Ad jt. -General.

Establish-
ment.

Corps.

Battalion

Corps.

Commanding

Officer and Head

Quarters.

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Actual Strength present
at Inspection.

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Toronto

Capt. Robertson,
Toronto

Capt. McGillivray,
Toronto

Capt. Currie, To-
ronto

Lieut. Michie, To-
ronto

Capt. Cassells, To-
ronto

Capt. Hendrie, To-
ronto .

Capt, Hunter, To-
ronto

Capt. Henderson,
Toronto

Staff

Total

42
42
42

42
42

42 | 2
42 I 2

33(5

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Militia and Defence.

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ours by His Excellency the I rov-
ernor (ieneral. Excellent phy-
sique, and very steady under
arms, considering that the Bat-
talion has only been in existence
for eight months. This Corps
promises to be a most efficient
one.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 189;

Inspection Keport of the Corp

MILITARY DISTRICT

No. 7,

Lieut. -Col. T. J. DUCHESNAY,

Dep. Adjt. -General.

Battalion

Corps.

Commanding

Officer and Head

Quarters.

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ment.

Corps.

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No. 8

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Lieut. -Col. Forsyth,
Quebec.

Capt. Breakey, Que-
bec 3

Capt. Hethrington,
Quebec . 3

Staff 6

Total 12

Lieut. -Col. Prower,

Quebec.
Capt. Wood, Quebec

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do Dunbar do . .

do Ray do . .

do Dunn do . .

do Wurtell do . .
Staff

Total 2G

Quebec Garrisoi

\rtill,i\

Lieut. -Col. Amyot,
Quebec.

Capt. Garneau, Que-
bec

Major Chouinard,
Quebec

Capt. Trudel, Quebec
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do Pennee do
do Evanturel do
do Pinault do
do Routiner do

Staff

Total

Capt. Morgan, Que

bee

104

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33 330 22

42 2

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182

258

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31 12

32 12

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nay, D.A.G., M.D. No. 7.

l!< marks oftht Inspector of Artillery .

Physique very poor ; drill bad.
Battery not efficient : did not
practice. Inspected by Major
Wilson; CA.

D. T. Irwin, Lt.-Col,
Inspector of Artillery.

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56 Victoria.

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Inspection Eeport of the Corph

MILITARY DISTRICT

No. 11,
Lieutenant-Colonel J. G. HOLMES,

Acting Dep. Adjt.-General.

Establish-
ment.

Corps.

Battalion

Corps.

Actual Strength present
at Inspection.

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Lt.-Col. Brior, Vic-
toria

C a p t . Townley,
New Westmins-

Lt. Sargison, Vic-
toria.

No. 3 do .... Capt. Quinlan, Vic-
toria

No. 4 <\<

New Westminster
Rifle Co.

Nanaimo I nfantry
Co

Capt. Smallfield.

Victoria

Staff

3 I 42

3 I 42
6

Total

Vacant,New West

minster

18 168

Capt. McGregor,
Nanaimo 3

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The Head Quarter Batteries performed Battalion Drill

under the Major fairly well. All the clothing of
; these Batteries is worn out. The accoutrements old
l and of several patterns. New issue recommended.

This is a very good Battery ; ranks first in Brigade in

efficiency. Company drill, manual and firing exer-

| cises well done. Armoury well kept, and interior

economy very good. New drill shed and armoury

much needed at New Westminster.

This Battery showed 2 well drilled gun detachments.
Battery in good order; ranks third in Brigade m
efficiency. Company drill, manual and filing exer-
cises fairly well done. Armoury well kept, and
interior economy fair.

Battery in fair order ; ranks fourth in Brigade in effi-
ciency. Company drill, manual and firing exercises
fairly done. Armoury well kept, and interior econ-
omy poor.

Battery in very good order ; ranks second in Brigade
in efficiency. Manual and firing exercises and com-
pany drill well done. Armoury well kept. Interior
economy very good.

Each battery at Head Quarters furnished one well
drilled gun detachment.

lli murks of tht G .O.C.

The remarks of the D.A.It. can only be accepted in a
relative sense. The Brigade is not in a satisfactory
condition, though this is not due to any want of zeal
on the part of the officers, who have had great diffi-
culties to contend with. To obtain any degree of
j efficiency the establishment must be increased and
oiganized on a sound basis.

[VOB Hkrbkkt,

Maj.-Oi a.

Disorganized.

Me/narks of tht a. O.C.

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3^ J^M At my inspection on the 8th September the state of
31 cr organization of this company appeared to be very
£»h imperfect, and proper steps had not been taken
?, by the D. A. G. to put it on a proper footing.

Ivor Herbert,

Maj.-Oen.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 189;

(APPENDIX F.)

KOYAL MILITARY COLLEGE OF CANADA.

REPORT OF THE COMMANDANT.

Royal Military College of Canada,

Kingston, Ont., 28th June, 1892.
The President,

Royal Military College of Canada.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit the following report for the Royal Militar
College year 1891-92.

The progress of the College, in fulfilling its high purpose, has been satisfactor
during the past year; and, the credit for the success it well maintains, is due in pa
to the happy combination, in its instructional staff, of high professional attainmeni
with large views of the responsibilities of instructors beyond the routine of impar
ing class knowledge ; and, in a great degree to the cadets themselves.

I cannot recall from my personal experience any instance in which the relation
between the students and instructors have been more satisfactory than preva
here.

[t is a source of great pleasure to observe the ambition of the Cadets toimprovt
and to note their respectful yet cordial relations with — and reliance on their Pr
feasors, and their submission to, and ultimate pride in a disciplinary system to whic
they had previously been unaccustomed.

Regarding the welfare of the Institution as intimately interwoven with t
welfare of the country, I would remark on scattered press notices, which appesj
from time to time, adverse to the continuance of the College. Those notices I veil
ture to consider most ill advised.

This College is alone of its kind in the Dominion: it is an essential nursery fo]
the germs of a military force without which — in the absence of universal brotheij
hood, — enduring internal peace and national independence are unattainable.

Those who decry the maintenance of efficient military organization shoul
justify their attitude by indicating the people who have ever enjoyed continue
national independence, or now enjoy it, unaided by respect for armed strength, or bj
inaccessibility.

It is a matter of familiar knowledge that war does not occur unless — on one sidl
or on both — absence of moral rectitude is the determining cause.

Military organization — unfortunately — is as essential to national preservatio
as the elaborate department of justice is essential to social order.

But, fortunately the status of Canada, as apart of the Empire, has made i]
fitting and wise to modify the system of instruction followed at the Royal Militar |
College, BO that while the military demands of the country upon it, may be dull
supplied, its Cadets arc, trained to take their place amongst their fel low-country mer.
as highly and technically trained gentlemen in most practical professions, and in
large measure prepared to enter the learned professions.

Militia and Defence.

We sincerely hope that the time is not far distant when the Government may

el themselves justified in giving full effect to their Order-in-Council of a date

'itainly prior to 1882, in which it is declared that " so soon as there are a sufficient

number of eligible graduates, appointments to permanent Militia corps will bo

; made solely from this list (i.e. of graduates) ; and after sufficient length of service

iand rank have been obtained by graduates, permanent Militia offices will be tilled

therefrom." That a national Military school should be maintained and its techni-

lally trained graduates remain unemployed in the Canadian Military forces, certainly

- anomalous.

If untrained gentlemen are better qualified than the technically trained military
raduates of this College, to officer the Canadian permanent corps, — then indeed, it
mst be admitted that — for military purposes — the school is at present superfluous.

The question is not one as to the fitness of gentlemen now holding appointments
ii the permanent corps, who by experience in the service may have become perhaps
'xceptionally well qualified. The point I would raise is that of first appointments,
n such cases, should untrained, or specially and technically trained men be appointed?
fhere is a general agreement of opinion, not merely amongst the public, but amongst
ixperts of the greatest weight and who have had experience of graduates' capabili-
ies in military life — that the course of training at the Royal Military College is
jdmirably adapted for supplying army officers.

Some of their number are already on the roll of those who have added distinc-
tion to the name of their native land abroad; and — at home — from Cape Breton to
lount St. Elias, over more than one-fifth of the longitude of the globe, are thought
with affectionate pride.

From many sources too, I have heard of the high estimate placed upon others
/ho, in the absence of military employment, or by choice, have elected to follow
ivil pursuits. I have learned with pleasure and pride of several of them immedi-
tely winning confidence in their characters and capabilities, and rapid advancement
n positions of responsibility. The graduating class of this year compares favour-
bly with its predecessors, — in some respects it has excelled all others.

Sergeant Francis Henry Vercoe is in the distinguished position of being the
rinner of higher aggregate marks than have ever been gained by a graduate here.

The Professor of Mathematics writes of him : — " His ability is remarkably un-
ommon, and it does seem fortunate, that the College has him on her list of graduates."

I cordially concur in Professor Martin's opinion, an opinion fully confirmed by
he reports of all the Professors without exception.

Company Sergeant-Major James Frederic Fraser has won higher aggregate
larks than — with one previous exception — have been scored hitherto. His applica-
ion and abilities are also reported on by all the Professors as of a very high order.

The Professor of Chemistry reports that "Company Sergeant-Major Fraser
btained the largest number of marks yet obtained in the first class;" while, in
hysics, Dr. Waddell states: "The average of marks of Mr. Fraser and Mr. Vercoe
i greater than the average of the two highest in physics in any former years.
* After two years' struggle they stand practically equal, Mr. Vercoe
aving 1888 and Mr. Fraser 1887 marks."

Then, this year's third man, Battalion Sergeant-Major Dumble — who has had the
lisfortune to have had his studies interrupted by illness — adds to the distinction of
he graduating class this year.

On only two previous occasions has his aggregate of marks been exceeded at
,he College. The Professor of Mathematics reports that " Messrs. Dumble and Fraser
are deserving of special mention for their attainments only second to that of their
, class-mate Mr. Vercoe."

As BattaHon Sergt-Major, Mr. Dumble's duties have involved responsibilities
fan exceptional kind in the disciplinary system of the College, and it affords me
■reat satisfaction to state that he has discharged those duties in the most exem-
plary manner.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 18S

To these three gentlemen the College if indebted for their efforts and succe;,
in not merely maintaining its reputation, but in advancing it in a very marla
degree. In passing I may mention as a test of application to work — modifiedH
some measure by individual temperament — a few details from the Medical Officea
watchful record.

At the end of May the average increase of weight of the graduating class d*
in excess of 15 lbs.

During the examination month — June — the three leaders lost respectively 2J- IB,
3J lbs. and 5J lbs.

Four of the others lost about 1 lb.

The two lowest in their class lost no weight, but one of these increased I
I} lbs.

As evidence of the physical improvement in Cadets during their residence he;,
it is noted that the average increase in weight has been over 15 lbs.; in height |
inches ; in chest measurement 2J inches ; and that — with the single exception ok
height measurement — there has been increase in all cases.

The Professors have made special mention of several Cadets as deserving}!
commendation, and I have great pleasure in acknowledging my personal indebtl-
ness to them for their meritorious work and conduct.

The Professors remark :

In Mathematics.

4th Class. — Gentleman Cadet G. O. Wilkes,

G. N. Cory,
have shown marked ability.

Gentleman Cadet G. A. Inksetter,
" J. W. Osborne,
" K. J. F. Hayter,
11 G. E. Frith,
have been most diligent and promise to do splendidly.

3rd Class. — The progress made by the whole class has quite exceeded jll
expectationR.

Gentleman Cadet G. F. F. Osborne and
" " H. B. Muckleston

possess a brilliancy of intellect which is not often met with. Their mathematjil
ability is of a high order.

Gentleman Cadet V. L. Beer,
F N, Gibbs,
H. D. L. Gordon,
J. E. Beatty,
" E. W. Brij>stocke,
" J. D. Doull,
»' F. C. Heneker,
" A. G. T. LeFevre,
" F. B. Osier,
have taken special interest in their work, with good results.
Gentleman Cadet E. H. B. Magee and
11 E. E. Tyrwhitt
are noted for special application at.d the most marked advance in their class.

2nd Class. — The Professor — noting that the hardest work is in this cl *
brings specially under notice the work of

Gentleman Cadet A. W. Burnham,
Corporal C. F. J. B. deBoucherville,

E. H. Strickland,
Gentleman Cadet H. N. B. Hollinshead,

" .I.W.Warner,
Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong.

((

Militia and Defence.

In mentioning Mr. Burnham's name the Professor adds of the results of his

'ts :

''This represents an immense amount of work in one year, and without a splen-
lid ability it could not be done."

" Mr. de Boucherville's standing is not far behind that of Mr. Burnham."
1st Class. — Of the natural ability and wonderful application of
Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,
Company Sergeant-Major J. P. Eraser, and
Battn Sergeant-Major W. C. Dumble
lie Professor is unable to speak too highly.

Military Engineering.

4th Class. — Gentleman Cadet E. J. F. Hayter,

" G. N. Cory,
" G. E. Frith,
11 J. W. Osborne
jliave won from 88 to 84 per cent of full marks.

Gentleman Cadet G. A. Inksetter,
" " F. P. Brown and

" N. S. Eidout
leserve special mention for industry and zeal.

3rd Class. — Gentleman Cadet V. L. Beer,

" G. F. F. Osborne,
" H. B. Muckleston,
specially mentioned.

Also, 2nd Class. — Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong,
Corporal C. J. Armstrong,

C. F. J. B. de Boucherville.
1st Class. — Companj^ Sergeant-Major J. F. Fraser,
Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,
Battn. Sergeant-Major W. C. Dumble.

Surveying and Reconnaissance.
The following are especially commended by their Professors : —

3rd Class. — Geutleman Cadet G. F. F. Osborne,
" " V. L. Beer.

Surveying.

2nd Class. — Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville,
Sergeant J. J. B. Farley.

Reconnaissance.

Corporal C. J. Armstrong.

Tactics, Strategy and War Administration.

3rd Class. — Gentleman Cadet V. L. Beer.
2nd Class. — Corporal C. J. Armstrong.
1st Class. — Sergeant F. H. Vercoe.

Military Law.

2nd Class.— Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville.
1st Class. — Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,
F. F. Duffus.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 18!

Peace Administration.

3rd Class. — Gentleman Cadet Y. L. Beer,

G. F. Osborne,
E. E. Tyrwhitt,
B. F. Osier,
Cadet Beer scoring over 97 per cent of full marks.

Theoretical Artillery.

3rd Class.— Gentleman Cadet G. F. F. Osborne,
" " E. H. B. Magee,

" " Y. L. Beer,

" " E. E. Tyrwhitt.

2nd Class. — Gentleman Cadet H. N. B. Hollinshead,
Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville,
Gentleman Cadet A. W. Burnham.

Practical

Artillery — Drills and Exercises

3rd Class.-

—Gentleman Cadet Y. L. Beer,

H. D. L. Gordon,

F. C. Heneker,

E. H. B. Magee,

H. B. Muckleston,

E, E. Tyrwhitt,

all with full marks.

2nd Class. — Corporal W. F. Sweny,
Sergeant J. J. B. Farley,
Corporal E. H. Strickland,
" C. J. Armstrong,
all with full marks.

French.

4th Class. — This class has been far above the average. With the except
of two Cadets, all scored 90 per cent of full marks.
Gentleman Cadet G. N. Cory,
" E. P. Brown,
" E. J. F. Hayter,
" G. E. Frith,
"' G. S. Wilkes,
" G. E. Francklyn,
are specially mentioned.

Also, 3rd Class. — Gentleman Cadet Y. L. Beer,

" G. F. F. Osborne,
" J. D. Doull,
" A. G. T. LeFevre,
" F. C. Heneker.
2nd Class. — Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville,
Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong,
Corporal C. J. Armstrong,
Gentleman Cadet J. E. Leckie,
Sergeant J. J. B. Farley,
Gentleman Cadet H. N. B. Hollinshead.
1st Class. — Corporal J. E. L. du Plessis,

Gentleman Cadet H. E. N. de Bury,
Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,
Batitn. Sergt.-Major W. C. Dumble,
Sergeant C. H. Branscombe,
Co. Sergt.-Major J. F. F'raser,
Sergeant W. H. Sullivan.
20

Militia and Defence.

English Literature.

3rd Class.— Gentleman Cadet G. F. F. Osborne,

" J. D. Doull,
" V. L. Beer.
" R. E. Tyrwhitt,
iiserve honourable mention.

2nd Class. — Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong,
J. J. B. Farley,
Gentleman Cadet H. N. B. Hollinshead,
Corporal C. J. Armstrong.
1st Class. — Sergeant F. H. Vercoe is deserving of special mention.

Physics.

2nd Class. — Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville,
" R. H. Strickland,
Gentleman Cadet A. W. Burnham.
Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong,
1st Class. — Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,

Co.'Sergt.-Major J. F. Fraser,
hese two gentlemen scored, as already mentioned, higher than any two of previous
are.

Geology.

1st Class. — Co. Sergt.-Major J. F. Fraser,
Sergeant F. H. Vercoe.

Chemistry.

2nd Class. — Corporal C. F. J. B. de Boucherville,

Gentleman Cadet J. T. Warner,

Sergeant B. H. O. Armstrong,

Gentleman Cadet A. W. Burnham.
1st Class. — Co. Sergt.-Major J. F. Fraser,

Battn. Sergt.-Major W. C. Durable.

Freehand Drawing.

4th Class. — Gentleman Cadet E. P. Brown,

" G. E. Francklyn,
" R. J. F. Hayter.
2nd Class. — Sergeant B. II. O. Armstrong,
J. J. B. Farley,
Corporal W. F. Sweny.
H. J. Lamb.
1st Class. — Sergeant R. P. Rogers,
F. H. Vercoe,
" C. H. Branacombe,
Corporal N. B. McLean.

Practical Geometry and Engineering Drawing.

4th Class. — Gentleman Cadet G. N. Cory,
" G. R. Frith,
" J. W. Osborne,
" R. J. F. Hayter,

" G. S. Wilkes.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 189

3rd Class. — Gentleman Cadet G. F F. Osboriuv,

" E. W. Brigstovke,

" V. L. Beer,

" F. B. Osier,

" H. B. Muekleston,
" " H. D. L. Gordon.

2nd Class. — Corporal C. F. J. B. de Bouchervilie.

Civil Engineering.

Battn. Sergt.-Major W. C. Dumble,
Co. Sergt.-Major J. F. Fraser,
Sergeant W. H. Sullivan,
•< F. H. Vercoe.

Drills and Exercises.

1st Class. — Battn. Sergt.-Major W. C. Dumble,
Sergeant E. P. Eogers.
Co. Sergt.-Major J. F. Fraser,
Sergeant F. H. Vercoe,
all very highly qualified.

I have now the pleasure to add a list of gentlemen who aie prize winners a
of those who are about to leave the College as " Honour" graduates and
" Passed " graduates.

JUNE, 1892.

Prize Classification.
Annual Class Prizes.

4th Class. — Highest Proficiency — Gent. Cadet George Norton Cory, Bishop's Colic

School, Lennoxville.
3rd Class " Gent. Cadet George Frederick Folger Osbon

Collegiate Institute, Kingston.
4th Class " Corp. Charles Felix Joseph Boucher de Boucht

ville, St. Mary's College, Montreal.
1st Class " Sergt. Francis Henry Yercoe, Collegiate Institu

Toronto.

Entire Course. — Subject Prizes.

Mathematics and Mechanics Sergt. Francis Henry Yercoe, Collegiate Instil

Toronto.
Military Engineering Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Fraser,

legiate Institute, Kingston.
Surveying, Military Topography

and Practical Astronomy Sergt. Francis Henry Yercoe, Collegiate Institi

Toronto.
Military History, Tactics and Mili-
tary Administration Batt. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton Dum

Trinity College School, Port Hope.
'" reuch Corp. Joseph Eugene Lenoblet du Plessis, Line

College Sorel, P.Q.
English Sergt. Francis Henry Yercoe, Collegiate Instit

Toronto.
Chemistry Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Fraser, I

legiate Institute, Kingston.

Militia and Defence.

f Sergt. Francis Henry Vercoe, Collegiate Insti- | .
) tute, Toronto. I §

W81CS ] Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Eraser, Col- ^

(^ legiate Institute, Kingston,

'eology Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Eraser, Col-
legiate Institute, Kingston,
jreehand Drawing and Painting. .Sergt. Eobert Percy Eogers, Collegiate Institute,

Peterboro'.
livil Engineering ..Batt. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton Dumble,

Trinity College School, Port Hope,
prills and Exercises Batt. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton Dumble,

Trinity College School, Port Hope.
.rtilllery .....Gent. Cadet Henry Neville Block Hollinshead,

Trinity College School, Port Hope.
Ingineering Drawing Sergt. Bertie Harold Oliver Armstrong, High

School, Montreal.
Reconnaissance Sergt. Francis Henry Vercoe, Collegiate Institute,

Toronto.

Extra Prizes.

)ominion Artillery Association ...Gent. Cadet George Frederick Folger Osborne,

Collegiate Institute, Kingston.

)ntario Artillery Association Gent. CadetFrank Nicholson Gibbs, Upper Canada

College.

DIPLOMAS.
Names. Distinguished in

Sergt. Herbert Wareham Clinch, Collegiate School,

Rothesay . ..

jent. Cadet William Mackenzie, High School,

Sarnia • Civil Engineering.

3orp. Norman Berford McLean, High School,

Brockville Civil Engineering.

Grent. Cadet Wm. Nassau Clarke, High School,

Brockville

Corp. Joseph Eugene Lenoblet du Plessis, Lincoln

College, Sorel French.

Sergt. Francis Ferguson Duffus, Merchiston

Castle, Edinburgh Civil Engineering.

Sergt.-Major Frank DugaldReid, High School,

Georgetown Civil Engineering.

Sergt. Clarence Henry Branscombe, High School,

Picton

Gent. Cadet Henry Robert Yisart de Bury, Stony-
hurst College, England French and Civil Engineering.

Sergt. Wm. Henry Sullivan, Collegiate Institute,

Kingston Civil Engineering.

Sergt. Robert Percy Rogers, Collegiate Institute,

Peterboro' Freehand Drawing Drills and Exer-
cises.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No 19.)

A. 189;

DIPLOMAS WITH HONOURS.

Names.

Distinguished in

( Mathematics and Mechanics.

Military Engineering.
I Military History, Strategy, Tactics, Military Ad|
Battn. Sergt.-Major Wilfred | ministration and Law.

Chatterton Bumble, Trinity <[ Practical Geometry and Engineering Drawing.

College, School, Port Hope.

French.

English.

Drills and Exercises.

Civil Engineering.

Co.Sergt.-Major JamesFrederick

Sergt. Francis Henry Vercoe,
Collegiate Institute, Toronto.

f Mathematics and Mechanics.
Military Engineering.

Practical Geometry and Engineering Drawing,
French.

)llegiate Institute, <j gg£ oW and volunt

Drills and Exercises.

Chemistry, obligatory and voluntary.

Civil Engineering.

Geology.

f Mathematics and Mechanics.
Military Engineering.
Military Topography, Reconnaissance and Suri

veying.
Practical Geometry and Engineering Drawing.
French.
English.

Physics, obligatory and voluntary.
Freehand Drawing.
Drills and Exercises.
Civil Engineering.
^Geology.

" Stanley Medals."
(For the highest aggregate of marks for the whole course.)

Gold medal — Sergeant Francis Henry Vercoe, Collegiate Institute, Toronto.

Silver medal — Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Fraser, Collegiate Institute,
Kingston.

Bronze medal — Battn. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton Dnmble, Trinity Colle^
School, Port Hope.

Sword of Honour for Good Conduct and Discipline.
Co. Sergt.-Major James Frederick Fraser, Collegiate Institute, Kingston.
The " Lord Stanley " Prize.

(To the qualified graduate intending to pursue a military profession either
the imperial Forces or in the Dominion Militia, for the highest proficiency
Military Engineering, Military Administration and Law, Strategy and Tacti<
Military Surveying, Topography and Reconnaissance.)

Battn. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton Dumble, Trinity College School, P(
Hope.

Militia unci Defence.

Recommended for Commissions in Her Majesty's Regular Army.

Eoyal Engineers — Battn. Sergt.-Major Wilfred Chatterton, Dumble, Trinity
College School, Port Hope.

Eoyal Artillery — Gent. Cadet Henry Robert Visart de Bury, Stony hurst College,
England.

t f S Sergeant Francis Ferguson Dutfus, Merchiston Castle, Edinburgh,

lntantrv— | gei^t Herbert Wareham Clinch, Collegiate School, Rothesay, N.B.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

D. R. CAMERON,

Commandant,

Royal Military College.

Militia and Defence.

APPENDIX No. 2

REPORT OF THE DEPUTY MINISTER

MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Half-year ended 30th June, 1892.

REPOET OF THE DIRECTOR OF STORES.

Department of Militia and Defence,

Store Branch, Ottawa, 1st December, 1892.

Sir, — I have the honour to submit the following report concerning the Military
Stores and properties under my charge covering the period from the 1st January
to the 30th June, 1892. It having been decided to harmonize the Annual Report of
the Department with the fiscal year, this report may therefore be considered as
supplementary to that of last year.

clothing and military stores.

The Militia clothing, store supplies and necessaries continue to be furnished,
as in the past, by Canadian contractors. The Inspectors of the Department
reported that the various articles, after due inspection, were found satisfactory, and
in accordance with the sealed patterns.

The aggregate issues ot clothing for the period from 1st January to 30th June
last have been 4,913 cloth, serge and tweed tunics, 6,545 pairs of cloth, serge and
tweed trousers, 3,163 forage caps and 3,445 great coats.

The detailed issues of clothing are shown in the following tabular statement: —

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No 19.

A. 1893

ISSUES.

Halifax

Trousers,

Riding

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Tunics, Cloth.

Tunics, Serge.

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AMMUNITION.

Practice ammunition issued to the Militia Force for the six months ending 30th
June, 1892, was as follows: — Snider ball, 409,355 rounds, and blank, 78,250 rounds.]
( Vide Appendix A.)

The issues on repayment for the same period were 118,770 rounds of Sniderl
ball, 600 rounds of blank, 25,470 rounds of Martini-Henry ball, 100 rounds of
revolver, and 700 rounds of ball for the new Magazine Eifle (Lee-Metford). also!
5,000 rounds of aiming tube ammunition, making a total of 150,640 rounds to Eifle
Associations and Militia Corps for target practice.

Deposit receipts to credit of the Eeceiver-General for sale of ammunition fori
the year ending 30th June last amounted, to $11,748.91, which includes the price of J
friction tubes issued to the Department of Marine and Fisheries for Fog Signal
Service, and powder and friction tubes for Noon Gun at Ottawa. ( Vide Appendix B.)

Field and Garrison Batteries of Artillery received the usual supply of powder,
shot and shell for annual practice and salutes. ( Vide Appendix C.)

The demand for small-arm ammunition, ball and blauk, was fully met by j
receipts from the Cartridge factory at Quebec; besides the reserve in magazine
charge was largely added to from the factory.

The manufacture of Martini-Henry ammunition having been introduced at the
Quebec factory, a supply of 249,000 rounds has been received in store charge,
also a supply of 9-pr. common and 64-pr. shrapnel shell.

A reserve supply of E.L.G.4 powder has been received from the Hamilton
Powder Company, and found to be satisfactory after undergoing the usual tests at |
Quebec.

ORDNANCE.

The Eeturn of guns in charge at the several stations will be found in
Appendix D.

Many of these guns are, of course, old and obsolete, but until they are replaced
by new and modern ordnance, it might not be considered advisable to dispose of |
them in any way ; however, this is a question for consideration of higher authority.

ARMS.

The armourers of the several Military Districts are reported as being fully ei
ployed in the repairs of arms at their respective stations.

The services of an Armourer are much needed at London, and at St. John, N.B„
and an assistant armourer at Winnipeg. Attention has already been drawn to this
subject in a previous report.

Militia and Defence,

HOARDS OF SURVEY.

Annual Boards of Survey on Militia stores were held during the year in each
Military District as required by Regulations and Orders. The duties of* these Boards
ire to make an inspection of the ordnance, ammunition, warlike and other stores in
jkarge of the Superintendents of Stores, to report on their state and the condition of
he buildings and works, to furnish a list of stores of every kind that the Boards
nay consider obsolete or unserviceable, with a recommendation as to their
lisposal, — also a return of such stores as are reparable.

The reports of the Boards show that the stores in charge of the Superintendent at
3ach station were carefully inspected. The recommendations of the Boards were
•arried out, when the quantity was large enough to justify a sale by public
tuction. Articles condemned as unfit for further service were sold in the
tsual manner. The proceeds of such sales were placed at the credit of the Receiver-
3eneral.

Independently of the stores condemned as useless from fair wear and tear, there
\re certain articles of accoutrements and equipment which, although considered
obsolete, are not absolutely useless, and until a new supply can be obtained
they have been continued on store charge to meet any possible contingency.

A number of old gun waggons and sleighs reported upon by special Boards of
Survey as unfit for further service, have been ordered to be disposed of as recom-
mended by the General Officer Commanding and authorized by the Honourable the
Minister of Militia.

HARNESS AND SADDLERY.

I have already submitted a memorandum recommending the appointment of one
or more harness makers to overhaul the old harness and saddlery returned into
store from field batteries, with a view of repairing and putting the same in condition
or re-issue ; any portion that might be found useless could then be disposed of.
I may add that this recommendation is strongly supported by the Major-Generai
Commanding.

Kingston and Quebec, where the most accommodation is available, would
appear to be the best places to establish workshops for this purpose ; accoutrements
and other stores could also be repaired at these places, and a great saving of public
money thereby effected.

CAMP LOSSES AND DEFICIENCIES.

It is almost impossible to avoid more or less damage to camp equipment, and
deficiencies of articles issued during the annual training of the Militia. The
jaggregate value of such losses is being reduced from year to year. The usual
jsteps have been taken to recover the amounts from the commanding officers of
jcorps responsible for the same.

MILITARY PROPERTIES.

The officers in charge of military properties in the several districts report the
same to be in a satisfactory condition. All repairs provided for in the estimates
were carefully carried out under direction of the Architect of the Department.

Under this head, I would beg to draw attention to the pressing necessity that
exists for providing a suitable store building at London, At present the district stores
are kept in rooms connected with the barracks originally erected for the Infantry
School Corps at that station, and not at all suited for the proper care of military
stores ; besides, the space occupied by the stores is now urgently required by the
Infantry School.

A powder magazine is also required in connection with these stores. Owing to
the want of this building and the very limited accommodation for the district stores,
ammunition and other stores intended for the supply of Military District No. 1 have

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.)

A. 1893

to be kept in reserve at Toronto. This has been attended with inconvenience, besides
causing extra expense for transport.

I have aiso to refer to the necessity of building magazines for use of th(
store branch at Halifax, N.S., and at Victoria, B.C. For the present the Depart
ment has to depend upon the Imperial authorities at these stations for the. temporary
use of their magazines for the storage of powder and warlike stores.

The following statement shows the number of tenants and the amounts receivec
on account of rentals for military properties under lease for the fiscal year ending
30th June, 1892.

Tenants and Eental from 1st July, 1891, to 30th June, 1892.

Number

of
Tenants.

104

Station.

Niagara

. Toronto

.Kingston

Ottawa

. Montreal

. Laprairie

St. John's, Que

Isle aux Noix

. Quebec

. Levis

New Brunswick

. Nova Scotia

.Prince Edward Island

Rents
received.

. Total number of tenants .

Total amount of rents received

$ cts.

117 00
120 00
528 31

1 00
302 50

2 00
50 00
84 00

2,624 57

385 20

177 25

53 08

5 87

4,450 78

Remarks

DEPOSIT RECEIPTS.

The following statement shows the amount received by the Store Branch oi
account of ammunition and stores issued on repayment, and for rents of military pi
perties during the fiscal year ending 30th June, 1892 : —

Ammunition.

Military Stores.

Clothing.

Rents.

Total Amounts.

9 cts.
11.7 is ill

$ cts.
1,793 33

$ cts.
2,132 70

$ cts.
4,450 78

$ cts.
20,125 72

ILITARY MUSEUM

The interest in the Museum at Ottawa is steadily maintained, and a number
articles of a military and historical character have been received from officers
Militia and others during the year; further contributions of a like nature are
pected from Officers and others interested in the military history of Canada.

A considerable number of books on military subjects have been received,
tbe suggestion is again revived as to the establishment of a Military Institute
Library at Ottawa for the benefit of the Officers of the Force, and as to the arranj
ment of winter courses of lectures under its auspices.

Militia and Defence.

GENERAL REMARKS.

Since the date of my last report a change in the Store Staff lias taken place in
litary District No. 2, Lt.-Colcnel J. Vance Graveley, of the 40th Battalion, having
m appointed Superintendent of Stores at Toronto upon the retirement of Lt.-
lonel W. N. Alger, an old and valued officer ot the Militia, who while serving hi

Store Branch, performed his duties with zeal and efficiency.

It affords me pleasure to bring under your notice the efficient services rendered
)j the Staff at Headquarters, and the District Superintendents of Stores.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your most obedient servant,

J. MACPHEESON, Lt.-Colonel,
Director of Stores and Keeper of Militia Properties.
The Deputy of the Minister

Of Militia and Defence,
Ottawa.

[A.j

Small Arm Ammunition issued for practice from the 1st January
to 30th Juner 1892.

Districts,

Rounds.

Military District No
do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do

1, London .

2, Toronto

3, Kingston

4, Ottawa

5-6, Montreal

7, Quebec

8, St. John, N.B.

10, Winnipeg . .

11, Victoria, B.C

Issued to Militia Corps for Rifle League Competitions .

Total

Ball.

H4,7(i5
55,000
20,800
3,700
07,910
32,340
17,000

12,840
105,000

Blank.

409,355

23,440
4,830

28,740
3,000
6,000
7,400
4,840

.250

J. MACPHERSON, Lt.rColonel,
Director of Stores and Keeper of Militia Properties.

5G Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.)

A. 189c

[B.]

Small Arm Ammunition issued on repayment from the 1st January

to 30th June, 1892.

Military Districts.

Military District No. 1, London

do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do
do

2, Toronto

3, Kingston

4, Ottawa

5-6, Montreal

7, Quebec

8, St. John, N.B

9, Halifax, N.S

10, Winnipeg

11, Victoria, B.C

12, Charlottetown, P.E.I.

Rounds.

Total

11,500
24,000

3,000
21,975

9,000
20,000

8,750
16,870
20,570
10,475

4,500

150,640

Amount.

1 cts.

190 00 I

394 80

48 00

618 63 |

164 00 1

284 00 1

168 80

279 52 (

326 90 |

168 00

76 00 j

2,718 65 I

Snider— Ball

Blank

Martini-Henry— Ball.
Revolver — (Jolts ...

Aiming tube

Magazine Rifle

Total.

Rounds.

118,770

600

25,470

100

5,000

700

150,640'

J. MACPHERSON, Lt.-Colonel,
Director of Stores and Keeper of Militia Properties.

Militia anil Defence.

[C]
Keturn of Gunpowder and Friction Tubes for Practice and Salutes from
the 1st January to 30th June, 1892.

.Military
Districts.

No.

2..

No.
Nos.

No.

6&G

7. . . .
S. . . .
!)....
10...
12.

Stations.

Corps.

( run-
powder.

Toronto Field Batteries of Artillery

Kingston Field and Garrison Batteries of Artillery, Royal Mili

tary College and Royal School of Artillery

Ottawa 'Field Batteries of Artillery and Salutes

Montreal Field and Garrison Batteries of Artillery and Salutes

Quebec do do

St. John, N.B . do do

Halifax, X.S . . . . Garrison Artillery and Salutes

Winnipeg. ... Winnipeg Field Battery and Salutes

Charlottetown . . Garrison Artillery and Salutes

Total.

Lbs

l.^o-

3,614}

Friction
Tubes.

No.

1,035

1,011£

1,015

320

l ;>;>

121

100

110

300}

439

800

2,959

J. MACPHERSON, Lt.-Colonel,
Director of Stores and Keeper of Militia Properties.

19—3

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 189:
[D.] — Return of Ordnance in possession of the Militj

Station.

Guns-^Field, Siege and GarrisJ

Rifled.

Smo<

Wrought-iron.

Cast-
iron,
convrtd

' Bronze.

Breech -
loading.

Muzzle-loading.

1
10

2
1

24-p

I'll
0 , c
o a

!M -

Military Distric

U
ft

ft
3i

i
50

i
i

3
1

4
1

4 .

Store charge

Charge of City

Guelph, 1st Brigade Field Artillery. .

Goderich Garrison Battery

Sarnia do

do Charge of Town

Stratford do

Gait do

Kincardine do

Toronto Drill Shed

Field Battery

1
1

Charge of City

Store charge

York Pioneers

Old Fort

New do

Hamilton Field Battery

Drill Shed

Charge of City

Port Colborne, Welland Canal Field
Battery

Sault Ste. Marie Mountain Battery. .
Lundy's Lane

'.'. J.

■i . 1
li . 1
1 .

2
1

Durham Field Battery

2
4

4
4

'2
••

;;

( 'obourg Garrison Battery

Port Hope do

Trenton do

Kingston Field Battery

Charge of City

Store Charge

Tete 'lu Tout Barracks.

1
1

Fori 1 [enry

Fort Frederick

<lo Tower .

Murnej do

Shoal do ....

Eas1 Branch do

West do do ....

Cedar Island do

Roj al M ilitary ( 'ollege. . . .
< rananoque Field Battery, . .

Brocks ill<', ( iharge of ( Jity

< Ottawa Field Battery . . .

Charge-of city

Store charge

Nepean Poinl

Time < run

Montreal Field Battery.

5&6

Militia and 1 Hence.

id in Dominion Store charge, on 30th June, 1892.

st-mm.

32-pr.

8-in.l

£ 5; -5 £

o Wo o

CO ">C -t<

» »o o

19-3J

CARRONADKf

Cast-ikon.

EOWITZEB

3.S

3, 3

12 2

MfoRTAR8,

Oast-iron.

10-in.

2.1

Remarks.

Col. Gzowski, 1 32-pr.

1 4-pr., bronze, Glengarry,
do Perth.

[Ottawa.
do Military Museum,

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19
[D.] — Return of Ordnance in

•

)

possession

A. 1891

of the Milil

■+3

Station.

Guns— Field, Siege and Gakbim

Rifled.

Sin .

Wrought-iron.

Cast-
iron,
convrtd

Bronze.

Breech-
loading.

Muzzle-loading.

p.
;;

'..

..
..

t
o

~r
cc

1'
2

3
2

71 '

i !

i '

* |i

* * 1

ri-

r-i

—

i
i

-
di

i
i

—

A
0

••

1
O
X

••

>
o
N

-f

4
1

Charge of City

Gran by, Shefford Field Battery. .....

St. John Garrison Battery. ...

Quebec Field Battery

Citadel

Richmond do

2
L

1
1

2
2

"
"

Parade Ground

Field Battery

City lines : —

Upper Casemate ...

St. Louis Curtain

do Bastion

Ursulines' Curtain

do Bastion

St. John do

Armoury Battery No. 1

do 2 . ..
Artillery Barracks

;;

Towers, No. 1

Nunnery Battery, No. 1

do 2

Montcalm Battery

1 [ope < S-ate do

Half Moon do

St, Charles do

sembly do

' rrand do

;;

ol t < ratedo . .

Wolfe's do

< larronade do

" E " Magazine Yard

1 1 nder 1 >ufferin Terrace. .

Artillery Park

No. I Fort

■

i
l

2 do

8 do

[aland of ' Orleans

Quebec, Store charge

[ale

Militia and Defence.

j (1 in Dominion Store charge, &c. — Continued.

( Iarronadks

Cast- 1 kon.

Howitzer

Mortars,

( lAST tRON.

—

«s

Remarks.

['.

1
3

■4

' |
2

■
2

\ '

;;

9 c

1
1

1(1 i.

(-t-ircii.

-'1

;;

I
4

a
10

i
i

• •

..
..
..

l-H

;;

• •
1

i
4

-M
-t

82-pr.

S-in.

-
-

—

-J

■•

2
1
21

♦3

-J

•

-r
it

0
1

"
•

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No.
]D.] — Eeturn of Ordnance

19.)

possession

A. 18

of the Mil

:
U

.2
"S
•u

Station.

Guns— Field, Siege and Gars

;

Rifled.

Sir

1 Cast-
Wrought-iron. 1 iron,
Jconvrtd

Bronze.

Breech-
loading.

Muzzle-loading.

_
6

i—i

O
CO

i-'

t !
o

. . .
.. .

■

o
as

~+
so

«c
pd

-a
o

f ■

' 8

Gaspe Garrison Battery

Quebec, Charge of City

Newcastle Field Battery

4
4

Woodstock .

••<■•

Dorchester Penitentiary

Carleton Tower

Drill Shed. ..

Fairville

Fort Howe

Red Head

Partridge Island

Dorchester Battery

Drill Shed

Chatham

2
2

St. Andrews

St. George

Fredericton

Halifax, N.S., Drill Shed

Point Pleasant

Pictou

4
2

Granville

Digby

Lunenburg . . .

Yarmouth

Sydney, C.B

Herring Cove

Chester .'

Liverpool

Winnipeg Field Battery

*3
1

!.]!!

• •

2
14

17 4

Store charge

Victoria, B.C

Finlayson Point. . . .

Esquimalt, Macaulay Point

Brothers Island

2
6

New Westminster

Prince Edward Island

Victoria Barracks

2
6

Fort Edward

Drill Shed

( S-eorgetown

Total

i in

Domin

ion

Stor

e <

Milii
jharge, <

;ia
fec-

and Defence

-Conclude* f.

Carronadks

Cast- ikon.

How

TZBB

MORTABS,

( 'A. ST IKON.

•J

—

■J

d
' /

Rbmabks.

wt-iron.

"
••

••

-
PC

•

0
}.

1
12

10-ii

:V2 \n:

CO
• -

S-in.

-t-3
:£
u

■'2

1
1
2

i
1

b:
0

'2
'2

:•;

..
4

0 ft
10 06

(-2 ;£>

'2
2

1 1

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Three 9-pr.- O.I.— 28 cwt.

:.:::

•3

"3
"2

130

114

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)

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Lit

t.-Colonel,
Militia Properties.

Militia and Defence.

APPENDIX No. 3

REPORT OF THE DEPUTY MINISTER

MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

REPORT OF THE ARCHITECT— ENGINEER BRANCH.

Department of Militia and Defence,

Ottawa, 30th June, 1892.

Sir, — In the absence of the Chief Architect, I have the honour to transmit here-
with the report upon the works and repairs made to the Military buildings and
fortifications under control of this Department from the 1st of January last to date.

LONDON ROYAL SCHOOL OF INFANTRY.

The plumbing and water supply pipes were overhauled and repaired.
The usual amount of lumber and hardware was supplied for petty repairs done
by the artificers of the school.

TORONTO.

New Fort Barracks. — A hot water heating apparatus was placed in the Captains'
Quarters. The sinks in the Butler's pantry were altered and repaired, and new shelves
were placed in the Officers' Quarters.

One room in the married Officers' Quarters had the plaster and floor repaired.

One room in the married men's Quarters was re-floored and a new floor was
placed in the ablution room.

A post and rail fence was placed around the parade ground.

The usual amount of lumber and hardware was supplied for the general petty
repairs made by the men of the school.

Old Fort. — The city water supply was introduced throughout the Old Fort,
and hydrants were placed for fire protection. 1,554 feet of fencing was put up along
the Garrison road, and the dead trees were renewed both along the road and in the
old Military Cemetery.

BEAMSVILLE.

The Drill Shed was re-shingled, the defective sheeting made good, the sill renewed
,in part, and the building put in a good general state of repair.

CAYUGA.

Some repairs were made to the doors and windows of the Drill Shed, and a drain
made around the shed to carry off the water which used to find its way in. The roof
of this Shed requires re-shingling very badly.

STEWARTON.

The Drill Shed at this place was put in proper repair.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 1893

GEORGETOWN.

The Drill Shed roof was re-shingled and several minor repairs made to the shed
to put it in a proper state of repair.

KINGSTON.

Tite de Pont Barracks.

"D" Qrs. in Block " B " were overhauled and put in repair, owing to a fir<
having occurred in these Quarters.

A drain was put in from the Eiding School to the street. The drains in place*
were overhauled and made good. The floor of the Quarter-master's Store was relaid
and a dry earth closet put in. Several minor repairs to the buildings generally
were made by the men of the Battery.

Wire screens were placed to the windows of the Drill Shed for protection of the
glass.

A few general and minor repairs were made to the fortifications generally.

ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE.

General repairs were made to doors, windows, floors, gas pipes, water pipes anc
drains on the usual monthly Barrack inspection report.

PERTH.

Drill Shed. — Slight repairs were made to this Shed and drain built to carry of
the surface water from it.

OTTAWA.

Military Stores. — New cupboards and shelving were put in for the proper storing
of clothing, &c. A new sidewalk was kid from Sappers' Bridge to the Stores an<
the fence straightened. The shed at the rear was boarded in on account of the
danger from the sparks of passing vessels blowing in.

Drill Shed. — The Armoury doors were all painted and minor repairs made tc
the shed.

Cartier Square. — The weeds were all cleared out and grass seed sown.

The drains were overhauled and cleaned.

The caretaker's house at Nepean Point had the gutters and fall pipes repaired)
and the caretaker's house at the Eifle Eange had sundry minor repairs to prevent if
from falling.

MONTREAL.

Drill Shed. — The roof and skylight was repaired and made water-tight.
The Armoury of the 5th Eoyal Scots was altered to admit of greater conveniens
to that Corps.

Eifle Eange. — The usual repairs to the ditches and fences were carried out.

ST. JOHNS, P.Q.

Infantry Barracks.— The plumbing in the Officers' and married Quarters waj
overhauled and made good and new water-closets of a modern kind put in.

The Captain's Quarters was overhauled and made clean.

The Water service was extended to the old Hospital building now occupied a
married Quarters.

The eavetrouffha and fall pipes were repaired on all the buildings.

A new Rifle RaDge was fitted up for the use of the men of the School and th
Annual Camps.

Militia and Defence.

ISLE AUX NOIX.

The old bridge leading to the Island was put in proper repair. All the drains
on the Island were opened up and overhauled for the better preservation of* the
building.

QUEBEC.

Citadel. — The water pipes having frozen in places were repaired and made
serviceable. The old fence around the glacis was repaired.

A large amount of new flooring was laid in the Casemates.

The drain from the King's Bastion was overhauled and renewed.

The chimneys of the Casemates were rebuilt and repaired where required.

Some new floors were laid in the Stables and the Stable slightly repaired.

The Commandants quarters was papered and painted and the plaster repaired.

Some new floors and slight repairs were made to the Officers' Mess establishment.

Some alterations were made on sanitary grounds in the Adjutants' quarters.

Cavalry Barracks. — A new platform was laid along the front of the Stables and a
new door was broken through to the same.

Cartridge Factory. — A new floor was laid in the engine-rooms.

All the plumbing was overhauled on sanitary grounds and two new water-closets
put in besides repairing the old ones.

The sidewalks fronting the Government property on St. Louis, St. Genevieve,
Palace, and Arsenal streets were repaired.

A new range was built on the Island of Orleans for the purpose of testing gun-
powder.

LEVIS.

No. 1 Fort. — Part of the wooden coping along the walls was renewed. The
damage caused by the winter frost at the Levis rifle range was repaired.

Eoyal Engineer Camp. — The caretaker's house was raised, new sills placed under,
and the roof re-shingled. All the broken glass of the huts were repaired.

FREDERICTON.

Infantry Barracks. — A new foundation was built under the guard-room and the
walls repaired. All the barrack rooms were cleaned and kalsomined. Window
shades were supplied for the windows. A new fence was built around the Park
Barracks.

ST. JOHN, N. B.

The caretaker's house at the Tower was repaired and new sills put under.

A new store building was put up in Fort Dufferin and the old store moved back
and repaired. The parapets, embrasures, gun racers and fences at Fort Dufferin
were all repaired.

The side-arm shed and embrasures at Dorchester Battery were repaired. A drain
also was placed around the magazine and the magazine door was repaired. The
caretaker's house at Fort Howe was repaired and put in"good order. ^JTfj

The fence at Red Head Battery was repaired, and the rifle range repaired and
put in good order.

HALIFAX.

Owing to the burning of the Halifax Drill Shed, there was a temporary building
erected for the storing of the arms and accoutrements of the Halifax Garrison
Artillery.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 19.) A. 1893

VICTORIA, B.C,

" C " Battery Barracks. — The fireplaces in the Barracks rooms were repaired J

New eavetroughs and fall pipes were put up and painted. A new box drain waa
put in. The recreation hall was clean and painted. Lumber and shingles were proJ
vided, and the men of the Battery performed the labour of the general repairs to the
Barracks.

There were five back doors and cutting of wall for the same, also five inside!
doors made in married quarters. New water-closets were built and painted.

A new flag-staff was erected and painted, and paints and hardware were pro]
vided for uecessary general repairs at the Barracks.

CHARLOTTETOWN, P.E.I.

Victoria Barracks. — The roof of the Barracks was painted. New gates wera|
put in and several minor and necessary repairs were made.

I havo the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

FEED. W. WHITE, Lieutenant,

Acting Architect.
The Deputy Minister

of Militia and Defence,
Ottawa.

Militia and I lefence.

APPENDIX No. 4

REPORT OF THE DEPUTY MINISTER

MILITIA AND DEFENCE.

Half-year ended 30th June, 1892.

GOVERNMENT CARTRIDGE FACTORY.

Quebec, 19th October, 1892.

Sir, — In accordance with your memorandum of the 8th October instant, I have
the honour to report on ODerations at the Government Cartridge Factory, from 1st
December, 1891, to 30th June, 1892, as follows: —

The manufacture of Snider ball ammunition which had been continued after 1st
December last, was interrupted in January, 1892, and the manufacture of Martini-
Henry rolled s'ervice ball cartridges mark III, for which raw material and R. F.
G.2 Powder had been received from England during the summer of 1891, was begun.

This manufacture was not pushed on rapidly at first, as operatives had to be
broken in and machinery adjusted to perfect the work. The appointed quantity of
337,000 rouuds to be fabricated, was, however, got through, and from tests carried
out and the shooting since done with this ammunition by marksmen on different
ranges, it appears to have given quite satisfactory results, comparing well, on all
points, with the imported ammunition.

Early in May, 1892, the manufacture of Snider ball was resumed and continued
at a rate which would ensure the appointed annual supply being forthcoming at the
end of the year.

From 1st December, 1891, to 30th June, 1892,303,000 rounds of Snider ball
ammunition were manufactured, and since 30th June last to present date, 838.000
more were made.

I expect that by the 1st December, 1892, the output for the year will have
reached 1,800,000 rounds of Martini-Henry and Snider ball ammunition. This will
exceed the production of several years back, and could be increased still more with
very beneficial results in lowering cost price.

The powder for this supply of Snider ammunition was obtained from Curtiss <&
Harvey, and passed inspection under War Office authorities in England as service-
able. I also tested this powder after being stored in Quebec, and found it suitable
for use in the manufacture of Snider ball ammunition. It was high in velocity but
not much higher than previous lots received which had in previous years given
satisfaction, and equal in every other respect to previous lots obtained from the same
manufacturers. As regards accuracy it was also equal to the general results
obtained in previous years. It would, however, be satisfactory to obtain from the
War Office authorities copies of records of proof and figures of merit obtained in
tests of powder conducted for us under their supervision. These results have not
been communicated lately to this office as was done at first.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 19.)

A. 1893

The more extended use of Marti ni-Henry rifles throughout the force, points out
to an increased demand for Martini-Henry ammunition, and it is satisfactory to be
in position to state that this more modern and accurate nature of ammunition can be
manufactured successfully in this factory.

During winter extensive experiments were carried out at the Cove Fields gun!
butts, by Captain Thomson, R.A., with the new smokeless powder of the British ser-
vice, termed " cordite."

These experiments gave very satisfactory results, and in rifles this explosive
gives very uniform ballistic results, and accuracy of practice on -range was remark-
able.

It would be worth considering if a new small-bore rifle could not be obtained'
by converting Martini-Henry rifles into Martini-Metford, substituting a small bore
barrel to the present *45" calibre, without altering the breech and lock mechanism, '
replacing, however, the " fore-end " of wood by one of a shape suitable to take the!
small bore barrel, and altering some minor parts. A pattern has been sealed to
convert Martini-Henry carbines in this manner for artillery and cavalry service in
England. Thus a good and stout small-bore rifle would be obtained, and if at any!
future time the Lee-Metford magazine rifle was introduced, both arms would be
available, taking the same ammunition. The converted Martini rifle would shoot asi
far and as accurately as the Lee-Metford rifle of the British service. It would be a|
single loader but still much more accurate and far ranging than the Martini-Henry,
with a practically much longer point-blank range, and a hardly perceptible recoil,;
instead of the violent one now felt when firing the Martini-Henry rifle.

The manufacture of artillery projectiles has been carried out during the period)
of the year above mentioned. During that period, viz., from 1st December, 1891, |
to 30th June, 1892, the following number and descriptions of artillery projectiles!
have been manufactured : —

9-pr. common shells, 482.

9-pr. shrapnel, 30V.

H4-pr. common shells, 358.

Besides, 400 64-pr. shrapnels were in hand and a quantity of other shells in dif-j
ferent stages of manufacture. A good deal of time was lost in the shell shop, help-
ing to make Martini-Henry cartridge machinery. This reduced the expected out-;
put. Several improvements in mode of manufacture have been adopted with a view!
of reducing cost price. However, the greatest obstacle to cheap production
in this branch is the limited output authorized. Staff wages are nearly the same
whether making one thousand or five thousand shells, and the general expenditure]
is, in the latter case, considerably reduced.

The present output could not, however, be increased to a great extent withot
enlarging the shell finishing shop, which was adapted to its present work from wh?
was only a repair shop. If an extension was thought advisable and an increase al
of engine power, which would be then needed, authorized, I am ready to submit!
necessary data as to buildings, machinery, and extra power required. If, howevei
no Mich changes were contemplated, and we kept to present means of manufacturing
1 would still have to urge the necessity of obtaining a more powerful drillii
machine than such as we have at present. This would expedite manufacture at
allow the appointed number of shells to be manufactured annually, of which ther<
is an appearance of running short, situated as we are at present.

The raw material for the years' 1892-93 consumption, was duly received in go(
order, and examined carefully.

A lot of cast iron was rejected, to be replaced by a similar quantity of pro]
quality.

No action has yet been taken as regards scrap metal which has accumi
lated since over a Tear. I beg to draw attention to this, and to request that
early decision may be arrived at, if possible, as it takes much store and yard rooi
besides scrap iron getting deteriorated by the weather.

Militia and Defence.

The personnel of the Factory has remained the same during the period between
I he 1st December, 1891, and 30th June, 1892, with the exception of a few additional
Imperatives being taken on, at piece work prices, to increase the output of small arm
immunition, which would otherwise have run short of requirements.

I have to bring to notice that the office staff is not apparently able to meet the
Barren t business of the Factory.

Very few repairs to buildings had been done at the date of 30th June, 1892.

The flooring in some parts of the Factory requires still repairs, which were
estimated for last spring.

In view of the danger of contagious disease spreading next summer, I would
point out that my suggestions of last year be considered, as to the advisability of
improving the sanitary condition of the Factory by removing and replacing old
closets by more modern and perfected appliances, and providing lavatories, &c, for
which estimates were submitted.

A range at the Island of Orleans was prepared in June last for testing gun-
powder. It was satisfactory, except, however, the gun platform, which was too
weak, and will have to be rclaid properly. These tests can now be safely and
conveniently carried out there.

With reference to these tests, I would point out that small lots of powder
ordered, entailed as much trouble and expense to test them as large ones, and when
possible, large lots should be ordered. Much time is taken for those experiments,
which is diverted from regular work, apart from increasing the expenditure of this
Factory, without any allowance being made in accounts for this service.

The machinery in use in this Factory, similar to that used for same purpose in
Imperial Arsenals, has always been, and is still of a kind suitable for the manufacture
of built up small arm ammunition.

Very few improvements could be effectuated in this machinery, whilst the
ammunition now in demand is to be produced. Solid drawn brass cartridges would
require quite different machinery, in fact, very nearly an entirely new plant for the
small arms now in use. It may appear a doubtful advantage to adopt a more
expensive, and what has not proved to be a much more efficient kind of ammunition.
Moreover, large bore rifles are everywhere giving way to small bore, with composite
bullets and cartridge cases of an improved pattern, charged with explosives of a
nature different to what we are using now, and necessitating new machinery
specially designed for the purpose.

Our present machinery is still very serviceable for the manufacture of the
ammunition of the rifles now in use in Canada, and has been kept, all through, in
very fair order ; the engines and boilers are equal to their present work. The
boilers have been inspected as usual, during the year, by an authorized boiler
inspector, and found in a safe condition. The regular certificates have been given
to that effect.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

OSC. PEEVOST, Major,

Superintendent, G.G.F.
To the Deputy Minister
of Militia and Defence,
Ottawa.

Militia and Defence.

DEPARTMENT

VIILITIA AND DEFENCE

DOMINION OF C^N^DA^

ESTABLISHMENT LISTS

OF THE

ACTIVE MILITIA

FOR THE

FINANCIAL YEAR 1893-94.

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT

OTTAWA

PRINTED BY S. E. DAWSON, PRINTER TO THE QUEEN'S MOST
EXCELLENT MAJESTY

1893

Militia and Defence.

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Sir Frederick Arthur Stanley, Baron
Stanley of Preston, in the County of Lancaster, in the Peerage of the United
Kingdom, Knight Grand Cross oj the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Governor-
General of Canada.

My Lord, —

I have the honour to forward to Your Excellency the accompanying Lists of
Regimental Establishments of the Permanent and Active Militia of the Dominion of
Canada, for the financial year 1893-94, to be submitted to Parliameat in accordance
with Order in Council of 29th December, 1892.

I have the honour to be,

My Lord,

Your Excellency's most obedient servant,

J. C. PATTERSON,

Minister of Militia and Defence.

Department of Militia and Defence,

Ottawa, 3rd March, 1893.

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Newfoundland and Canada.

FURTHER PAPERS

(20d, 20e, 20/.)

Respecting the enforcement by the Newfoundland Authorities against Cana-
dian Vessels of the Newfoundland Act respecting the sale of Bait to
foreign fishins; vessels.

Ottawa, March, 1893.

CONTENTS.

Xo. 19H. Page.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 30th March, 1892. — Acknowledges receipt of despatch
10th March, 1892, forwarding substance of resolution passed by Legislature of Nova Scotia on
proposed Convention between Newfoundland and United States 1

Ko. 199.

I High Commissioner to Prime Minister, 2nd April, 1892. — Acknowledges receipt of Order in Council
of 3rd March, 1892, in which he is recommended to discuss the points at issue with Newfound-
land representative. Has had no instructions, however, and Mr. Harvey had returned to New-
foundland. Nevertheless, prior to his knowledge of the proposal he had met Mr. Harvey at Mr.
Pennell's office (at Colonial Office), and discussed question of discrimination. Mr. Harvey asked
suspension of duties and withdrawal of objection to Bond-Blaine Convention. He was told that
the latter would involve practical abrogation of Treaty of 1818. Canada's favourable treatment
of Newfoundland referred to 1

xo. aoo.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 30th April, 1892.— Forwards Minutes of Council (1098)
25th April, 1892, referring to a report that in connection with certain proceedings arising out of
an attempt to test the legality of the imposition of " extra " duties by Newfoundland, the Gov-
ernment of that colony intended seeking ex post facto legislation. Asks consideration of pro-
priety of instructing the Newfoundland Government on the subject of such method of legalizing
post action 2

Xo. S801.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 25th April, 1892. — Canada has received an unfavourable
reply from Newfoundland to unconditional proposal of 16th April to resume status quo ; and
Canadian Government learns of introduction by Newfoundland of discriminating revenue bill,
containing retroactive provisions to legalize post action. Reservation asked for. Legislation
against Newfoundland fishermen in Canadian waters may be necessary 3

Xo. 30».

, High Commissioner to Prime Minister, 30th April, 1892. — Forwards copy of letter with enclosure
from Colonial Office, and his reply thereto on the subject of a statement by the Leader of the
Opposition in Newfoundland Legislature, alleged on his authority, as to the expressed intention
of Newfoundland to refuse bait to Canadians. Quotes language from his letter to the late
Premier and unhesitatingly states that it accurately describes what passed at his meeting with
Mr. Blaine 4

xo. ao3.

i Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 19th May, 1892.— Forwards Minute of Council (1162),
14th May, 1892, dealing with despatch of Lord Knutsford, 9th April, 1892, respecting the
placing of an exparte case before the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. Every ex-
pedient had been tried without result. Suggestion of a reference came from Great Britain.
The consent of Newfoundland does not appear to be necessary. The case is not strictly an
crparte one, but a question of fact. It could not be put differently for a correct decision. New-
foundland had disregarded opinion of Law Officers, and refused reference of case. They now
propose retroactive legislation. Reference of case is recommended 5

20d, e,/_ a

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20r.) A. 18!

Xo. 204. pJ

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston. 17th May, 1892.— Acknowledges Minute of Council 7th
March. Mr. Harvey having returned to Newfoundland, Conference no longer practicable.
Views as to discrimination already expressed in despatch 26th March, 1892

Xo. 205.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 25th May, 1892.— Forwards Minute of Council (1143),
18th May, 1892, dealing with despatch from Sir Terence O'Brien (Enclosure No. 1) 18th April,
1SU2, as to statement attributed to the Leader of the Opposition in Newfoundland Legislature,
alleged on the authority of Sir Charles Tupper as to expressed intention of Newfoundland to
exclude Canadians from bait privileges. The Leader of the Opposition quoted from a letter
from Sir Charles Tupper to the late Sir J. A. Macdonald detailing the substance of a conversa-
tion exchanged with Hon. J. G. Blaine. The phraseology of Mr. Bond's despatch calculated to
mislead. A correct presentment suggests conditional action. At all events Newfoundland had
already excluded Canada prior to the date of conversation. No question of intention could
therefore arise . ,

Xo. 206.

High Commissioner for Canada to the Prime Minister, 18th May, 1892. —Encloses a cutting from the
Times newspaper, announcing statement by the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs in the
House of Commons to the effect that the proposed convention between Newfoundland and the
United States would not be approved, and that negotiations must proceed pari passu with
similar ones between Canada and the United States. Reports a conversation with Lord Knuts-
ford in which his lordship expressed the hope that nothing would be done in the way of re-
taliating to retard Newfoundland joining the Dominion

Xo. 207.

Hon. A. G. -Tones to Hon. Charles H. Tupper, 18th May, 1892. — Asks how many trap net licenses
were issued to Newfoundlanders on Canadian Labrador during 1891

Xo. 208.

Hon. Charles H. Tupper to Hon. A. G. Jones, 20th May, 1892. — Enquiry is being made to answer
definitely about Labrabor licenses

Xo. 200.

Deputy-Minister of Marine and Fisheries to Commander Wakeham, 20th May, 1892. — Call at
Esquimalt Point for instructions re cod traps

Xo. 210.

Hon. Charles H. Tupper to Commander Wakeham, 21st May, 1892. — States that status quo of 1889
will be reverted to between Canada and Newfoundland ; and directs a fair division of trap
licenses between fishermen of both countries and Labrador .

Xo. 211.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 21st May, 1892. — Communicates message from Gov-
ernor of Newfoundland, agreeing to revert to the status quo of 1889 for the 'current year (1892) . .

Xo. 212.

Sir Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 21st May, 1892. — Newfoundland Government agrees
to revert (pending conference) to status quo of 1889 for current year (1892). Additional duties
will be removed on receipt of intimation that Canada has removed duties on Newfoundland
I >i < ducts

Xo. 213.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 22nd May, 1892. — Message received with satisfac-
tion. Proclamation suspending duties on Newfoundland fish and fish products is being prepared,
bul under statute it should recite that Newfoundland duties had been reduced. Announcement
of removal by Newfoundland hoped for, when arrangement will be made to effect complete re-
ciprocity..

Xo. 211.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 22nd May, 1892.— Replies to 21st May, 1892. Can-
ada bad received message from Newfoundland with satisfaction, and had answered that
proclamation suspending duties on fish and fish products was being prepared. Arrangements
would be made to effeel complete reciprocity in remission of duties, when announcement
ed '•' removal of additional duties by Newfoundland

Xo. 215.

Deputy Minister of Marine and Fisheries to Commander Wakeham, 23rd May, 1892.— License book
not defining licenses to Newfoundlanders, state those issued to them in 1891

Xo. 21C.

So Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 23rd May, 1S92.— As duties come on automatically
under Revenue Act when imposed on fish by Canada, they will be removed in "Same manner
when taken off by Canada

Newfoundland nnd Canada.

No. 217. Page.

.id Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 24th May, 1892. Could not a formal notice of
intention to remove duties reriproeally In- aeeepted as sufficient on )><>th sides to remove deadlock. 13

Xo. 21*.

: Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 24th May, 1892. — If any difficulty be anticipated
both Governments could fix on date for removal simultaneously of imposition of duties on re-
use products 13

Xo. 919.

iraman der Wakehani to Deputy-Minister of Marine and Fisheries, 24th May, 1892. — Gives names

ight Newfoundlanders to whom licenses on Canadian Labrador were issued in 1891 14

Xo. 220.

ice O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 25th May, 1892. — A mutual notice agreed to remove
duties on and after Friday, 27th May, 1892. Proclamation will issue on reply 14

Xo. 221.

trd Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 26th May, 1892. — Dominion Government agree to
remove duties on and after Friday, 27th May, 1892, on understanding Newfoundland does like-
wise same day, and also removes restrictions as to bait fishes. Proclamation will issue to-mor-
row afternoon on assumption of agreement being carried out by Newfoundland 14

Xo. 222.

■ Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 27th May, 1892. — States that notice removal duties
and granting bait licenses to Canadians on same terms as Newfoundland fishermen to be
gazetted 27th May, 1892 14

Xo. 223.

rd Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 27th May, 1892. — Expressing thanks for telegrams.
Proclamation passed Council, and will be gazetted to-morrow 14

Xo. 224.

id Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 27th May, 1892. — Repeats telegram sent to Governor of
Newfoundland, 26th May, as to removal of restrictions by respective Governments simul-
taneously 15

Xo. 225.

rd Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford, 28th May, 1892. — Expresses the hope that retroactive
legislation will not be allowed to pass without reservation 15

Xo. 220.

rd Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 30th May, 1892. — Expresses satisfaction of Her
Majesty's Government at arrangement arrived at with Newfoundland 15

Xo. 227.

rd Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 30th May, 1892. — Expresses satisfaction at concilia-
tory attitude and makes certain overtures regarding the arrangement for a Conference 15

Xo. 22 H.

rd Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 31st May, 1892.— Referring to telegram of 28th May.
Governor of Newfoundland has been informed that the Queen may be advised to allow retro-
spective provisions regarding Customs duties, but not license fees under Bait Act 16

Xo. 229.

rd Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 31st May, 1892.— Referring to telegrams, 25th April,
30th April and 28th May, 1892, respecting Newfoundland Revenue Bill. The clause providing
for discriminating duties on Canadian goods included in every Newfoundland Act since 1885, in
view of duty imposed by Dominion Customs Act. Her Majesty's Government unable to instruct
reservation of Bill. Pending negotiations should arrange difficulties. Retrospective provisions
regarding bait license fees must be reserved unless accompanied by suspending clause 16

Xo. 230.

mite of Council, 6th June, 1892 (1122 H).— Dealing with Colonial Office despatch, 26th March,
1892. (No. 190 preceding papers.) The Newfoundland Tariff Act was held to be discriminative,
and past action of Newfoundland renders Canadian Government naturally apprehensive of legis-
lation giving such power 17

Xo. 231.

uute of Council, 6th June, 1892 (1194 H).— Dealing with a despatch from the High Commissioner
for Canada, 30th April, 1892, covering correspondence (see enclosures in No. 202) on the preceding
subjects of his interview with Mr. Blaine at Washington, 1891, and language used with regard
to Newfoundland's intention to exclude Canada from bait supply. Recommending that copies

be sent to Governor of Newfoundland , 20

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 181

Ko. 333.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien, 11th June, 1892. — Forwarding despatch with en-
closures received from the High Commissioner for Canada on the subject of the alleged state-
ment regarding the intention of Newfoundland to exclude Canadians from bait privileges

So. 333.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 17th June, 1892. — Reason to believe Newfoundland
prefers Canada as a meeting place for Conference

No. 334.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 21st June, 1892. — Acknowledging receipt of despatch
19th May, 1892, (No. 203 preceding). Since that date a considerable change has taken place in
the attitude of Newfoundland and it is hoped the friendly discussion which is to take place
will result in a permanent and satisfactory arrangement. Her Majesty's Government think it
advisable to take no further steps as to the submission to a Committee of the Privy Council of
the question of the legality of Newfoundland's action in refusing bait to Canadians

No. 335.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston, 6th July, 1892. — Referring to telegram 31st May, 1892,
(No. 229 preceding) although unable to authorize proclamation of legislation sanctioning collec-
tion of bait license fees, 1890. His Lordship suggests that Canadian Government should with-
draw action for recovery of sums collected ; the sums being trifling in the aggregate. Such
action would find favour

No. 336.

Sir F. B. T. Carter to Lord Stanley of Preston, 12th July, 1892.— Acknowledges No. and

enclosures in relation to the statement alleged to have been made by Sir Charles Tupper re-
specting the exclusion of Canadians from British privileges in Newfoundland ,

No. 337.

The Marquis of Ripon to Lord Stanley of Preston, 26th August 1892. — Acknowledging despatch of
30th June forwarding Minute of Council, 6th June, 1892. Contentions raised not assented
to and have already been dealt with. There was some misunderstanding between the Minister
of Marine and Fisheries and the Newfoundland delegate respecting the mode of enacting the
Newfoundland Revenue Bill of 1891 . .

Ido. 338.
Minute of Council, 12th Sept., 1892 (1317 H).— Dealing with CO. despatch, 6th July, 1892 (No. 233
preceding). Regarding the suggested withdrawal of the suits for the recovery of the license fees
under Bait Act, the Canadian Government were under moral obligation to the litigants, and
unless prepared to assume liability of Newfoundland, the Government cannot well recede from
what they have been advised was a just and legal claim, although anxious to promote good
feeling ,

No. 339.

Administrator of Newfoundland to Lord Stanley of Preston, 15th September, 1892. — Enquiring as
to earliest date for a meeting at Halifax

Xo. 340.

Minute of Council, 23rd September, 1892. — A deputation from Canadian Government can meet
Newfoundland delegation at Halifax any time after 10th October, 1892

Mo. 341.

Minute of Council, 23rd September, 1892.— Appointing the Minister of Militia and Defence, the
Minister of Customs and the Minister of Marine and Fisheries a deputation to confer with dele-
gates from Newfoundland

No. 343 .

Sir T<-r< n< - O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 25th October, 1892.— Delegation from Newfound-
land purpose leaving on November 2nd, by Allan mail steamer

No. 343.

Minute of Council, 29th October, 1892 (1289 H).— The Government of Newfoundland still declining
to entertain the claim of Mr. Henry Dicks in regard to the schooner "Hattie" and for a refund
of Customs duties; the Minister of Justice recommends that the papers connected therewith
should be referred to the Newfoundland Conference . i*

NO. 344.

Minute of ( louncil, 29th October

room of the Minister .

ctober, L892. — Appointing the Minister of Justice on the delegation
if Marine and Fisheries, who is called to England on official business .

No. 345.

Bit Ten uoe O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston, 5th November, 1892.— Delegates start 5th Novem-
ber,1892 6

\o. 340.

Approved report of a < lommittee of Council, 9th December, 1892.— Submitting copy of proceedings
of the conference at Halifax between the delegates from the Governments of Canada and New-

foundland .

Newfoundland and ( fanada.

No. 198.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 30th March, 1892.
Excellency

The Governor-General in Council, &c, &c., &c.

My Lord, — T have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your despatch, no.
the 10th March, forwarding the substance of the resolutions passed by the
bive assembly of Nova Scotia, respecting the proposed reciprocity convention
bween Newfoundland and the United States.

I have, &c,

KNUTSFORD.

No. 199.

Victoria Chambers, 17 Victoria Street,

London, S.W., 2nd April, 1892.

r Honourable the Premier,
Ottawa, Canada.

Sir, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of a copy of the order in

incil dated 3rd March, 1892, on the subject of the refusal of the government of

swfoundland to issue bait licenses to Canadian fishermen. I notice in the report

ned by the minister of justice and the minister of marine and fisheries that it is

i "inmended, in accordance with a suggestion made by Lord Knutsford, that I should

i instructed as to the views of the government, and be requested to act, on behalf of

Dominion, at a conference with a representative from Newfoundland, to discuss the

I nts at issue between the two colonies.

I desire to take the opportunity of mentioning that I have not so far received any
I traction upon the subject. There was some allusion to the matter a little while ago
(the newspapers, but at the moment I was under the impression that my name had
I ii used instead of that of the minister of marine and fisheries. I found out
I >sequently, however, that this was not the case, but, in the meantime, Mr. Harvey,
I ■ representative of the Newfoundland government, who was in this country at the

had returned to St. Johns.

i Before, however, I knew anything at all of the proposal, I met Mr. Harvey at the

x Stephen's Club in company with Mr. Pennell, the chief clerk of the Canadian de-

; tnient of the colonial office, and at the request of Mr. Harvey met him at Mr.

ill's office at the colonial office, and discussed the various points in dispute with

i i. Mr. Harvey informed me that the Canadian government were altogether under a

apprehension in supposing that the effect of the Bond-Blaine convention would be to

1 riininate against the imports of the Dominion, and showed me the new tariff in

the same reductions were made. I pointed out that I was equally under the im-

ssion, and quoted the language of the convention, which I contended would still

hem to make a corresponding reduction below the tariff he showed me. Mr.

I rvey stated that there was no intention to discriminate against Canada ; but it was

however, to me that if the convention had gone into operation the United States

* ild have demanded a reduction in the duties in their favour, equivalent to the ad-

to be given to them under the proposed treaty.

Mr. Harvey suggested, in the course of the conversation (and showed me a memor-

i to that effect), that if Canada would remove her oppositions to the Bond-Blaine

>tion, and suspend the duties now charged on Newfoundland fish, Canadian vessels

be allowed to get bait as heretofore, and that the imports from Canada would be

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. ■

restored to the position they formerly occupied. I could only say to Mr. Harvey th
thought the initiative lay with them, and that if they would allow Canadian fishen
to obtain bait, and remove the prohibitory duties on imports from Canada, they wr
receive equally favourable treatment from the Canadian government, but that the B<
Blaine convention was a much wider question, and one that could not be adopted w
out a practical abrogation of the Treaty of 1818.

I naturally referred to the way in which Canada had been treated by Newfoi
land, especially in view of the pledges that were given at the time the Bait Act recei
the royal assent, and of the exceptionally favourable treatment accorded in many I
to Newfoundland. I expressed the opinion very strongly that I thought it was to
interest both of Canada and Newfoundland to act together in matters which concer
British interests in North America, so far as it was possible to do so, and reminded
that a similar view was expressed by a joint committee, of which he was chairmai
the legislative council and house of assembly of Newfoundland, appointed to consi
the subject of the export and sale of bait, when they were seeking the passage of
Bait Bill of 1886.

Of course you will understand that this interchange of opinions between
Harvey and myself was of purely an informal nature, but in view of the order in cou
referred to above, I think it well to acquaint you with what has taken place. .

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

CHARLES TUPPER.

No. 200.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.

Government House, Ottawa, 30th April, 1892.

The Right Honourable

The Lord Knutsford, G.C.M.G.,
&c, &c, &c.

My Lord, — With reference to previous correspondence on the subject of the il
tions between this Dominion and the colony of Newfoundland, I have the honoufc
forward copy of an order in council embodying a report by the minister of marine I
fisheries, who represents that he has received information that it is the intention ofni
district court of that colony to decide that the imposition of extra duties upon Cjt
diai i goods under the provisions of the Newfoundland Revenue Act was illegal.

In view of the rumoured intention of the Newfoundland government to enacjj
post facto Legislation to legalize the exaction of these duties, ministers request that p
majesty's government be moved to consider the propriety of instructing the govep
of Newfoundland to refuse her majesty's assent to any such legislation.

I have, &c,

STANLEY OF PRESTON.

[Enclosure 1 in No. 200.]

CERTIFIED Copy of a report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council, ap#)
by His Excellency the Governor- General in Council on the 25th April-, 1892.

On ;i report, dated 19th April, 1892, from the minister of marine and fish<
stating thai important information has reached him touching the relations bet
Newfoundland and Canada.

The minister observes that it appears for the purpose of testing the legality (
Imposition of the "extra" duties imposed by way of retaliation against Canada,
certain articles under the (assumed) authority of the Newfoundland Revenue A<
action was begun in 'Ik- district court of that colony, against the receiver-gener

Newfoundland and Canada.

back a small amount, within the jurisdiction of that cou; *;, paid under protest in

PB duties.

That while, up to the time of the receipt of the information, judgment had not yet

, n delivered, it was generally understood that although upon a technical point— want

I notice of action — the plaintiff* would be non-suited, the decision of the court would

i ablish the principle of the case in favour of the right to recover back the duties.

The minister observes further that the grounds relied upon for this decision are : —

i I.) There is a defect in the wording of the section of the Revenue Act, applicable

[the case. The words " shall be levied, collected and paid'' which follow the words

he following duties, etc.", have been omitted.

(2.) The main ground that the fishermen of Canada " have not the privilege of

fish on all parts of the coasts of the colony," that privilege, a right having been

from them by the refusal of the government of Newfoundland to issue licenses to

jnadians for the purpose of catching bait fishes.

An appeal will, of course, be made from this decision to the supreme court of

•wfoundland.

The minister desires to invite attention to the rumoured intention on the part of

Newfoundland government of introducing into the legislature of that colony an

, to legalize the imposition of the duties already illegally imposed, and he learns that

- tion is being taken by certain Canadian importers and shippers in this matter.

Boon as particulars can be obtained respecting the proceedings referred to they will

laid before your excellency in council.

It is hoped that ex post facto legislation touching discrimination or prohibitory

against Canadian goods will be disallowed by the imperial authorities.
The minister is not aware of any particular reason for supposing that his excel-
v the governor of Newfoundland would refuse assent to such a bill, unless some
i vimis indication of the wishes of her majesty's government in that direction had
iven.
The committee, on the recommendation of the minister of marine and fisheries,
vise that your excellency be moved to forward copy of this minute, if approved, to
■ right honourable the principal secretary of state for the colonies, for the informa-
In of her majesty's government, together with a request that her majesty's govern-
Int be moved to consider the propriety of instructing the governor of Newfoundland
i;»n the subject.

All which is respectfully submitted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

No. 201.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.

25th April, 1892.

Canada made unconditional proposal direct to Newfoundland on the. 16th inst., to
1 nine status quo for this season, to enable efforts for settlement by conference or other-
tie to be made, and have received an unfavourable reply.

My government now learn that the government of Newfoundland has introduced
' enue bill, containing discriminating tariff against Canadian products as before, with
i material verbal amendment.

It also contains retroactive provisions which legalize the license fees exacted in
1 )0 for which Canadians are now, with prospects of success, seeking redress in the
' '>'ts. They hope earnestly that her majesty's government will have the bill reserved,
Pp will, while legislation hostile to Canada is continued, decline to sanction it.

Pressure of public opinion may, it is feared, render necessary legislation respecting
' ung in our waters similar to that enacted against our fishermen by Newfoundland.

STANLEY.
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No. 202.

Office of the High Commissioner for Canada, Victoria Chambers,

17 Victoria Street, London, S.W., 30th April, 1892.
The Honourable

The Prime Minister,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I have the honour to transmit herewith for your information, a copy
letter, with enclosure, which I have received from the colonial office respecting a s
ment made in the Newfoundland legislature as to what passed at my interview witb
Blaine at Washington in April, 1891, together with a copy of my reply.
I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

CHARLES TUPPER,

High Commissioner.

[Enclosure 1 in No. 202.]

Colonial Office, S.W., 23rd April, 1892.
Sir C. Tupper, Bart., G.C.M.G.

Sir, — I am directed by Lord Knutsford to transmit for your information a {
phrase of a telegram from the governor of Newfoundland respecting a statement n
in the Newfoundland legislature as to what passed at your interview with Mr. Bl
in April, 1891.

The governor of Newfoundland has been requested by telegraph to repeat
message to Lord Stanley of Preston.

I am, etc.,

EDWARD FAIRFIELD.

[Enclosure 2 in No. 202.]
Sir Terence O'Brien to Lord Knutsford (Received April 12th, 1892, 11 p.m.) T'elegrwk

(Paraphrase.)

At the request of my government I forward the following minute of council :
My ministers consider it desirable that her majesty's government should
immediately informed of the following facts : On the 6th instant the leader of
opposition stated, upon the authority of Sir Charles Tupper, that Mr. Blaine assr
at the conference held with Sir Charles Tupper and Sir J. Pauncefote on the 2nd A
L891, that Mi-. Bond had expressed intention of this government to exclude Canad
from bail privileges. As the leader of the opposition purports to quote from a desp
from Sir 0. Tupper to Lord Stanley, my government immediately telegraphed to B<
asking if statement was correct, and received the following reply : "I never state
Sir Charles Tupper that you had expressed the intention of your Government to ex<
Canadians from bait; you never said anything of the kind to me. Siii
Pauncefote, who was present at the interview with Sir C. Tupper, says that no fJ
thing w;is Baid or alluded to." This emphatic reply establishes the fact that no prcl
given or implied that Canadians would be excluded from bait under convention
that United States would be in any way differentially treated.

! Enclosure 3 in No. 202.]

17 Victoria Street, S.W., 28th April, 1892.

SlH, I beg to acknowledge the receipt of Mr. Fail-field's letter of the 23rd ins
transmitting a paraphrase of a telegram from the governor of Newfound

i ii

Newfoundland and Canada.

ting a statement made in the Newfoundland Legislature as to what passed al

interviews with Mr. Blaine in April of last year. It appears to me that there is

,ie misapprehension in the matter.

1 have never stated that Mr. Blaine asserted in my interviews with him that Mr.

i.nl expressed the intention of the Newfoundland government bo exclude

nadians from bait privileges.

What I did say in my report to the late Sir John Maedonald upon the subject was
follows :

"Mr. Blaine said that it did not appear necessary to negotiate ahy^treaty with
\\ t'oundland, as that colony had expressed its readiness to give the United States the
ges they enjoyed by their own action, and that thfjy proposed not only to give
it to United States fishermen, but to refuse to giv*e the same privilege to Canada. I
.1 Mr. Blaine that the Bait Act in Newfoundland had received the assent of her
\ upon the distinct pledge of Sir Ambrose Shea and the then premier of New-
mdland that Canadian vessels would not be affected by it. That I understood the
irts of Newfoundland had' declared that the. action taken under that act was not
al. T added that her majesty had the power to disallow any bill that might be
ssed upon the subject by the colony."

I have no hesitation in saying that the above quotation describes accurately what
3sed at my meeting with Mr. Blaine.

Mr. Blaine asked whether Newfoundland had the power to continue to grant the
vileges in question to the United States, and I replied in the manner T have already
licated.

In any case it should be borne in mind that before, the date of my meeting with
i. 1 Maine, Newfoundland was issuing licenses to United States fishermen, and with-
Iding them from Canadians.

I am, (fee,

CHARLES TUPPER.

No. 203.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.

Government House, Ottawa, 19th May, 1892.
ie Right Hon. the Lord Knutsford, G.C.M.C., (fee, cfec.

My Lord, — With reference to your lordship's despatch no. 88, of the 9th ultimo,
which you intimated that her majesty's government would not feel warranted in
ferring to the judicial committee of the imperial privy council the case submitted
this government with a view to the determination of the bait controversy between
uiada and Newfoundland, I have the honour to forward herewith copy of an approved
jinute of the privy council of Canada covering a report by the minister of marine
jid fisheries, who urges that her majesty's government may be moved to reconsider
eir decision.

The minute represents that Canada has shown all willingness to adopt as a solution

the difficulty the reference to the judicial committee suggested by your lordship,

'nle Newfoundland has declined to accept it, and he considers that, as the consent of

ewfoundland is unnecessary, and as, moreover, the case prepared by Canada is quite

lobjectionable, her majesty's government might with propriety refer it independently

either Canada or Newfoundland.

I have, cfec,

STANLEY OF PRESTON

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 2<jf.) A. 1!

[Enclosure 1 in No. 203.]

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee ofjhe Honourable the Privy Com
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the lJfth Jfay, 11

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a despat
hereto attached, dated 9th April, 1892, from Lord Knutsford, respecting the bait
troversy. with Newfoundland.

The committee have also had under consideration a report, hereto attached, di
10th May, 1892, from the minister of marine and fisheries, to whom the despj
above mentioned was referred, in which they concur.

The* committee advise that your excellency be moved to forward a copy hereof
the right honourable the principal secretary of state for the colonies for the infoi
tion of her majesty's government.

All of which is respectfully submitted for your excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

[Enclosure 2 in No. 203.]

Ottawa, 10th May, 189:
To His Excellency the Governor-General in Council.

The undersigned has had referred to him a despatch from her majesty's princi
secretary of state for the colonies, dated 9th April, 1892.

This despatch acknowledges receipt of minutes of the Canadian privy council
the bait controversy with Newfoundland, forwarded in your excellency's despatch
the 10th March last, and states that Lord Knutsford, having carefully considered i.
papers, believes that on reconsideration your excellency's ministers will agree
her majesty's government that they would not be warranted in placing an ex
statement of this controversy, prepared by one side only, before the judicial commi
of the privy council.

His lordship states that your excellency's ministers will doubtless co
whether there is any other way by which the validity of the action of the gover
of Newfoundland can be tested.

It will be within the recollection of your excellency that, after other expe
had apparently failed, your excellency's advisers suggested imperial legislation fo
removal of the embargo placed, contrary to solemn pledges, upon Canadians unde
provision's of the Newfoundland Bait Act.

The suggestion of a reference to the judicial committee of the privy council
from her majesty's government, and was promptly accepted by the governme
( lanad'a.

Tt does not appear that the consent of the government of Newfoundland is ne<
sary to the submission of the case to the judicial committee.

The case in strictness need not be described as ex parte.

The undersigned would further observe that the questions of fact contained i:
reference do not involve any collection of evidence.

No attempt has Ix-en made in the draft case to depart from a statement
undoubted facts.

The question put for decision is: "Are the contentions of the government
Canada, as above stated, or any of them, in accordance with law, and if not to wl
extent are they in accordance with law V

The government of Newfoundland could not, it is submitted, with a view
procuring 8 correcl decison, put the case differently, nor could it possibly better its o
position by any other form of submission.

The undersigned begs to call your excellency's attention to the provisions
the Act 3 and I William IV., chapter 41, intituled: "An Act for the better Adn
istration of Justice in His Majesty's Privy Council." This statute provides for cert

Newfoundland and Canada.

embers of his majesty's government to form a committee to be styled : " The Judicial
anmittee of the Privy Council," before which appeals in certain cases lie. Section 4
•ads as follows : —

"(IV). And be it therefore enacted that it, shall be lawful for His .Majesty to
fer to the said Judicial Committee for hearing or consideration any such other matters
hatsoever as His Majesty shall think lit, and such committee shall thereupon hear OT
insider the same and shall advise His Majesty thereon in manner aforesaid."

The present case seems to be one which may very properly form a reference to this
immittee under the provisions of the section just quoted.

It will he within the recollection of your excellency that, at the time when the
anadian government had asked that her majesty's government should he moved to
lopt legislation to prevent the government <>f Newfoundland refusing bait licenses
• Canadian tishing vessels, while freely granting them to the citizens of a foreign nation,
ord Knutsford suggested to your excellency's government, in his despatch, covered
v privy council reference, no. 784 H, that a joint case should be prepared, stating the
icts on behalf of the government of the dominion of Canada and that of the colony
E Newfoundland for reference to the judicial committee under the particular section
referred to.

In the despatch dated 26th May, 1891, the secretary of state for the colonies in-
►rmed the governor of Newfoundland that he had communicated with the law officers
r the crown, and enquired whether, in their opinion, the Colonial Act of 1889 gave
ower to the colonial government to refuse licenses to Canadian and French fish-
men, while granting such licenses to United States and colonial fishermen, and, if it
id give such power, whether that power might be exercised otherwise than by procla-
lation of the governor under section 4 of the act. He asked whether, if the act did
ot give such power of discrimination, the colonial government could in its executive
apacity arbitrarily exclude any class of her majesty's subjects from fishing in the
British waters of Newfoundland, while allowing other British subjects and foreigners

so.

Lord Knutsford was advised that, in the opinion of the law officers, the colonial
overnment has power to refuse to give licenses under the act of 1889 to French fisher-
icii, who, as foreigners not entitled to fish in the British territorial waters of New-
wmdland, do not belong to the class of persons to whom the act contemplates that
icenses will be granted; but that the United States fishermen are not subject to exclu-
ion on this ground, by reason of the special right belonging to the United States, and
ecognized in the treaties, of 1783 and 1818, to enjoy in common with British subjects,
be fisheries of these waters ; and that, in their opinion, the colonial government is not
ntitled by the act to exclude Canadians or other British fishermen from obtaining
ses.

His lordship was further advised that the act of 1889 gave, by implication, power
Jo the colonial government to make regulations as to the mode and terms of issuing
es, but not to discriminate between persons who at the time of its passing were
entitled to fish in its territorial waters.

On the same date the secretary of state for the colonies, in notifying Sir William

Whiteway of the decision of the law officers of the crown, expressed a strong hope

hat, as the action of the Newfoundland government was ultra vires, the prohibition

list issuing licenses to Canadian fishermen wrould at once be withdrawn.

The executive of Newfoundland, however, declined to accept the decision of the

aw officers of the crown, and continued their policy of discrimination against Cana-

lian fishermen.

The government of Newfoundland has, therefore, refused to accept the decision
af the law officers of the crown, and also declines to take part in the reference of a
joint case to the judicial committee of her majesty's privy council.

The reference to the judicial committee by her majesty's government, indepen-
dently of Canada or of Newfoundland, appears to the undersigned to be now a most
natural proceeding.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (Xo. 20d to 20f.) A. 181

It is significant in this connection that the government of Newfoundland now j»
pose retroactive legislation for the purpose of legalizing their past action.

The undersigned would also invite your excellency's attention to the fact til
having been advised that the exaction of fees from Canadian fishing vessels under I
Bait Act of 1889, during the year 1890 was illegal, he arranged with the honours!
the minister of justice to take steps for the recovery of the sums paid by the mastl
of Canadian vessels for licenses issued to them during that year. Should, however, I
Newfoundland government obtain such ex post facto legislation, the result of these jl
ceedings would, of course, fail.

The undersigned, therefore, recommends that your excellency should convey I
request of the Canadian government that the right honourable the secretary of stj
for the colonies be moved to reconsider his despatch, and that the question be nl
referred to the judicial committee of her majesty's privy council.

The undersigned recommends that a copy of this report, if approved, be transmitij
to the right honourable the principal secretary of state for the colonies, for the inij
mation of her majesty's government.

Respectfully submitted,

CHARLES H. TUPPER,

Minister of Marine and Fisheries.

[Enclosure 3 in No. 203.]
Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 9th April, 1892.
To His Excellency the Governor General, &c, &c, &c.

My Lord, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your despatches
66 and 67, of the 10th of March, forwarding minutes of the Dominion privy coi
respecting the bait controversy with Newfoundland.

I have carefully considered these papers, and I think that on reconsideration
ministers will agree with her majesty's government that they would not be warn
in placing an exparte statement of this controversy prepared by one side only before
privy council.

Your ministers will doubtless consider whether there is any other way by \
the legality of the action of the Newfoundland government can be tested.

I have, &c,

KNUTSFORD.

No. 204.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 17th May, 1892.
To Hi- Excellency the Governor General, etc., &c, cvc.

My Lord, I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your despatch no.
of the 11th of March enclosing copy of an order in council respecting the relatic
between the Dominion and Newfoundland.

5 on will have learned from my telegram of the 9th of March that the propoa
conference here is no longer practicable as Mr. Harvey had returned to Newfoundlai

\\ iih regard bo the question whether the draft convention between Newfoundla
and the United States involves discrimination in favour of the latter and agaii
Canada, I have already placed my \ lews before you in my despatch of the 26th of Mar<

I have, &c,

KNUTSFORD.

Newfoundland and Canada.

No. 205.
Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Kuutsford.

Government Eouse, Ottawa, 25th May, L892.

The Right Honourable the Lord Knutsfohd, K.C.M.G., &c , &c, &c.

My Lord, — On the 18th April, T received from the governoi of Newfoundland a
belegram repeating under your lordship's instructions a telegram which he had sent to
vour lordship on the 12th of that month relative to a statement alleged to have Ix-en
made by Mr. Morine, the leader of the opposition in the Newfoundland legislative
assembly, as to the intention of Newfoundland to exclude Canadians from bait privi-
vvhich had been contradicted by Mr. Blaine. This telegram was referred to my
ministers for consideration, and I now have the honour to transmit copy of an approved
minute of the privy council maintaining the accuracy of the statement made by
Mr. .Morine, and representing that Mr. Blaine's contradiction applied to an incorrect
version of the statement.

I have, etc.,

STANLEY OF PRESTON.

[Enclosure 1 to No. 205.]
f

Certified Copy of a report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,

approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 18th May, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a telegram,
hereto attached, from his excellency Sir Terence O'Brien, governor of Newfoundland,
stating that he had been desired by Lord Knutsford to repeat to your excellency a
telegram sent to him on the 12th April, 1892.

This telegram refers to a statement made by the leader of the opposition in the
legislature of Newfoundland touching a reported assertion by Mr. Blaine as to the
attitude of Newfoundland towards Canada under the Bond-Blaine convention.

The undersigned has ascertained that the source from which Mr. Morine obtained
the information which he used in support of his statement in the legislature was a letter
written a year ago by Sir Charles Tupper to the late Sir John A. Macdonald, detailing
the substance of a conversation exchanged with Hon. Mr. Blaine, in the presence of her
majesty's minister, in which Mr. Blaine is represented as stating that they (Newfound-
land) proposed not only " to give bait to United States' fishermen, but to refuse to give
the same privilege to Canada."

This letter was published in the Canadian Sessional Papers of 1891, together with
ether correspondence on the subject, and has been before the public ever since, without

curacy being questioned by any one.

It will be further observed that in the phraseology of Mr. Bond's telegram, the
words " had expressed the intention of this government to exclude Canadians from the
bait privileges," are calculated to mislead.

The minister observes that the question would have been properly put had the
language used in Sir Charles Tupper's letter been adopted, viz. : — ". That they proposed
not only to give bait to United States' fishermen, but to refuse to give the same privi-
leges to Canada."

It is submitted that the correct presentment of the ease suggests that the proposal
was conditional upon certain contingencies involved in the ratification of the conven-
tion.

The former presentment, for which there is no justification afforded by the letter
ol sii Charles Tupper, asserts that an actual expression of the intention of the govern-
ment of Newfoundland to exclude Canadians from the bait privileges had been authori
tatively given, and that such intention Mas in no way contingent upon any future
arrangements to be entered into between the United States and Newfoundland.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 18!

Whatever treatment Newfoundland was to extend to the United States had
connection with her already established relations with Canada, and, if it could be he!
that the incident of the conversation should turn on a question of memory, Mr. Box
is not assisted in establishing that it was not the intention of his government to
criminate against Canada, for the conference was held on 1jie 2nd April, while
Bond had already issued instructions to the officials of Newfoundland, dated 20t
March, entirely excluding Canadians from participating in the bait privilege.

The minister further observes that the conclusion of the despatch of the govern^
of Newfoundland reiterates the point which the Newfoundland authorities have laboui
so bard to maintain — that no promise was implied or given that Canadians would
excluded from bait, or that the United States would be treated differentially in ai
way.

Whatever force could be given to this argument under different circumstance
cannot, it is submitted, apply under those existing, as the absence of any specific sta
ment, that it was intended to discriminate against Canada, could not be held effective
against an actual and persistent discrimination being exercised on every opportunity,
favour of the United States' citizens against Canadians.

The committee, on the recommendation of. the minister of marine and fisheri(|
advise that your excellency be moved to forward a copy of this minute to the ri£
honourable the secretary of state for the colonies, for the information of her majesty
government.

All which is respectfully submitted for your excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

No. 206.

Office of the High Commissioner for Canada,
Victoria Chambers, 17 Victoria Street, London, S.W., 18th May, 1892.

The Hon. J. J. C. Abbott, Q.C.

Dear Mr. Abbott, — I send, for your information, a cutting from the Times j
Friday last, in which you will notice that the under secretary of state for foreign affail
in reply to a question in the house of commons, stated that the government b1
decided not to approve the proposed convention between Newfoundland and the UnitU
States, and that they were unable to depart from the position taken up that negotiation
between the United States and Newfoundland must proceed pari passu with negotl
bions for any arrangement between Canada and the United States.

I had a long conversation a day or two ago with Lord Knutsford upon the subje;
when In- int. Mined me that the government had arrived at the decision to which I hal
referred. He informed me, however, that it would strengthen his hands a good dl
with liis colleagues, if the Canadian government did not extend their retaliatory poll
against Newfoundland. His lordship stated that the government recognized that II
only \\;i\ out of the difficulties of Newfoundland was the admission of the colony hi
the Dominion, and they were extremely anxious that nothing should be done likely!
retard this very desirable consummation, At the same time he frankly recognized i|
provocation the Dominion had received, and also the injury inflicted upon Canadil
fishermen and traders by the hostile policy of our neighbours. In these circumstanl
I though! it desirable t<. send the following telegram to you in cipher yesterday : — !

" Long conversation Knutsford last night. Government decided not to pen|
Newfoundland arrangement with States unless Canada included."

Yours faithfully,

CHARLES TUPPER.

Newfoundland and ( Canada.

[Enclosure 1 in No, 206. J

IThe Times, L3th May, 1892.
NEWFOUNDLAND.

Mr. F. Evans asked the under-secretary for the colonics upon what day he would
iv upon the table the correspondence which had passed between her majesty's govern-
nent and the government of Newfoundland, respecting the proposed convention recently
ligreed between the governments of the United Slates and of Newfoundland.

Baron H. de Worms. — Papers will be presented as soon as the interests of the
mblic, sci- vice permit.

Mr. F. Evans. -Am 1 to understand that on a question so closely affecting the
l^elfare of the people of' Newfoundland a little closer answer cannot be given by the
government ?

Baron H. de Worms. — It would be contrary to precedent to present papers until
initiations are completed.

NEWFOUNDLAND AND UNITED STATES CONVENTION.

Mr. F. Evans asked the under-secretary of state for foreign affairs whether her
majesty's government had declined to assent to the convention between the United
States government and the government of Newfoundland.

Mr. J. W. Lowther. — The answer to the honourable member's question is in the
iffirmative. Her majesty's government have not been able to depart from the position
which they have taken up that the negotiations of a convention between the United
States and Newfoundland must proceed pari passu with the negotiation of an arrange-
ment between Canada and the United States.

No. 207.

Halifax, N.S., 18th May, 1892.
Hon. Charles H. Tupper,

-Minister of Marine and Fisheries, Ottawa.

Will you please telegraph me how many trap licenses issued to Newfoundlanders

A. G. JONES.

No. 208.

Ottawa, 20th May, 1892.
Hon. A. G. Jones, Halifax, N.S.

Enquiry being made to answer your telegram definitely about Labrador licenses.

CHARLES H. TUPPER.

No. 209.

Ottawa, 20th May, 1892.
,! Commander Wakeham,

SS. " La Canadienne," Gaspe.

Call at Esquimalt Point for instructions re cod traps.

WILLIAM SMITH,

Deputy-Minister of Marine and Fisheries
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5G Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 189cl

No. 210.

Ottawa, 21st May, 1892.
Commander nVakeham,

SS. " La Canadienne," Gaspe.

Status quo 1889 to be reverted to between Canada and Newfoundland. A faifl
division of traps will, therefore, be made to fishermen of both countries this season ii
Labrador.

CHARLES H. TUPPER

No. 211.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

(Paraphrase.) 21st May, 1892.

The following message has been received from the governor of Newfoundland : — •
k" My ministers request me to transmit the following message : —
" Upon consideration of proposal in the telegram from the secretary of state fo
the colonies of the 16th ult. to revert to status quo of 1889 for the current year, an<
for conference to effect an amicable adjustment of existing differences, and also of Lor<|
Knutsford's despatch of 7th instant, it was resolved that, in order to meet the views o
her majesty's government, and to restore friendly relations between the two colonie
a communication conveying an expression of these views be sent to the governor gen
eral of Canada."

Your government should communicate as soon as possible with the Newfoundland
government. I am confident that this will be received with great satisfaction ii
Canada.

KNUTSFORD.

No. 212.

Sir T. O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.

(Paraphrase.) 21st May, 1892.

I am requested by my ministers to transmit the following message : —
My government agree, in order to meet the views, of her majesty's government, a
contained in despatch from colonial office, dated 7th instant, and telegram of 16th ult
to revert, pending conference, to the status quo of 1889 for the current year.

Additional duties on Canadian products will be removed on the receipt of intinu
tion thai your government have removed duties on Newfoundland products.

O'BRIEN.

No. 213.
Lord Stanley of Preston to S>r*T. O'Brien.
(ParapJvra&e.) 22nd May, 1892.

The Canadian government has received your message with satisfaction.

A proclamation suspending duties on Newfoundland fish and fish products is bein
prepared, bu1 under the statute it should recite that Newfoundland duties have l><j*'
reduced. Ii is hoped that your government will be able to announce, without delft}
t he iviim.n al of t he addil ional duties.

Arrangements will be made to effeel complete reciprocity in remission of duties i]

t he meant ime.

STANLEY.
12

Newfoundland and ( anada.

No. 214.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.

Paraphrase.) 22nd May, L892.

Your telegram of May 21st respecting Newfoundland.

I had received yesterday morning telegram to same effect, and in reply, telegraphed
it we received message with satisfaction, and that proclamation suspending duties on
»wfoundland fish and fish products was being prepared. Meanwhile arrangements
11 be made to effect complete reciprocity in remission of duties. We cannot under
statute issue it until Newfoundland duties have been reduced, but it will be issued
moment we receive announcement of removal of additional duties.

STANLEY.

No. 215-

Ottawa, 23rd May, 1892.
Wakrham, Gaspe.

License book does not show any licenses issued Newfoundlanders. What licenses
did you issue Newfoundlanders 1

WM. SMITH,
Deputy-Minister of Marine and Fisheries.

No. 216.

Sir Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.
(Para])hrase.) 23rd May, 1892.

As duties came on automatically under Revenue Act on your putting duties on our
fish, they will, when you take off your duty, come off in the same manner.

O'BRIEN.

No. 217.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien.
(Paraphrase.) 24th May, 1892.

Your telegram of the 23rd.

If neither party can move till the other moves first it is obvious deadlock. Could
nut a formal notice of intention to remove duties reciprocally say from 1st June be ac-
cepted as sufficient on both your side and ours 1

STANLEY.

No. 218.

Sir T. O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.

tyelegram.) 24th May, 1892.

Referring to my telegram of 23rd May should you anticipate any difficulty, we
should both of us fix on date for removal simultaneously of imposition of duties on
product of both countries.

O'BRIEN.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 189

No. 219.

Paspebiac, 24th May, 1892.
Wm. Smith, D.M. M. and F.

Eight licenses from number 411 to 418 in license book : Captains Penny, Blandfor
two Shetlers, Begruey, Brown, Buckle and Whitely.

W. WAKEHAM.

No. 220.

Sir T. O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.
{Paraphrase.) 25th May, 1892.

My ministers agree on mutual notice to remove duties on and after Friday, 27
inst.

Proclamation will be issued upon your reply concerning this.

O'BRIEN.

No. 221.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien.
{Telegram) Ottawa, 26th May, 1892.

Dominion government agree to remove duties on and after Friday 27th inst., on tl
understanding that on that day Newfoundland government do likewise, and also remo^l
restrictions as to bait fishes. Please telegraph as soon as instructions are issued, h\\
our proclamation will issue to-morrow afternoon on the assumption that the agreemer
has been carried out by Newfoundland.

STANLEY.

No. 222.

Sir Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.

(Telegram.) 27th May, 1892.

Notice inserted in Gazette to-day that extra duties levied under section 13 Revem;
Act 1891, will not be collected on and after this date. Dominion government havin
removed duties on fish and fish products exported from Newfoundland into Dominion c
Canada, notice has been given by telegraph to officials to grant bait licenses to Dominio
fishermen upon same terms as to Newfoundland fishermen giving similar bonds.

O'BRIEN.

No. 223.
Lord Stanley oj Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien.

(Telegram.) Ottawa, 27th May, 1892.

Thanks for telegram. Our proclamation passed through privy council and wi
appear in Canada Gazette to-morrow, so that I hope all difficulty departs for the presem

STANLEY.
H

Newfoundland and Canada.

No. 224.
Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.

I'Teh'f/ram.) Ottawa, 27th Muy. L892.

I sent following message fco governor of Newfoundland, 26th May:
" Dominion governmenl agree to remove duties on and after 27tfn Maw on I be under-
standing that on 27th May, Newfoundland government do likewise, and also remove
jjBtrictions as to bait fishes. Please telegraph as soon as instructions are issued, but
mr proclamation will issue 27th May, on the assumption that the agreement has been
harried out by Newfoundland." This is satisfactory so far.

STANLEY.

i'lDj

No. 225.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Lord Knutsford.
Wdegram.) Ottawa, 28th May, 1892.

My telegram of 25th April, private. I learn that a bill of same purport is being
Aessed through legislature just now. I hope that it will not be allowed to pass with-
out reservation. It appears to me to be objectionable, both as being unfair and as
being retroactive.

STANLEY.

No. 226.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.
(Tehtjram.) 30th May, 1892.

H. M. G. learn with satisfaction intelligence in your telegram of 27th May as to
Newfoundland.

KNUTSFORD.

No. 227.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien.

(Teleyram.) Ottawa, 30th May, 1892.

Sincerely glad that matters are on a better footing. We fully appreciate con-
ciliatory attitude and reciprocate kind feeling. Could you now ascertain informally
what their views are about a conference. It appears to me that it would be best held
in London. One of our principal 'ministers will probably be there before long upon
other business and you might prefer him to high commissioner. What would suit
| best as to time, 1 On hearing from you I propose to telegraph secretary of state for
■ the colonies. This telegram unofficial, but Dominion ministers would agree. Please
| show it to prime minister if you think fit.

STANLEY.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 189?

No. 228.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.
(Telegram.) 31st May, 1892.

Referring to your telegram of 28th May. following telegram sent to governor \
Newfoundland, May 26th: — " Law officers of the crown advise as regards custoirl
duties levied under section 13 of Revenue Act, 1891. Queen may be properly advise
to allow retrospective provisions contained in your telegram of 27th April ; as regarcj
license fees under Bait Act, they advise under any pretence statutory or other authoritj
for charging such fees ought to be sanctioned by retrospective legislation ; if Revenul
Bill amended accordingly you may assent to it." Section 13 of Newfoundland
Act was adopted in 1885 in view of section 4 of Canada Customs Act of that year,
hope that negotiations about to be begun will result in modifications in sections <|
Canadian and Newfoundland Acts referred to. Despatch follows by mail.

KNUTSFORD.

No. 229.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 31st May, 1892.
Governor General, &c.

My Lord, — I have the honour to acquaint you that her majesty's governmerl
have had under consideration your despatches and telegrams respecting the Revenij
Bill which has been passed by the legislature of Newfoundland.

Her majesty's government have given their careful attention to the representation
of your ministers on the subject of section 13 of this bill, which provides for the levj
ing in certain circumstances of discriminating duties on Canadian goods, but they haty
ascertained that the same clause has been included in every Newfoundland Revenij
Act since 1885, when it was inserted in view of the duty imposed by the Dominic;
Customs Act of that year on fish from Newfoundland and other countries.

Her majesty's government have therefore been unable to take so serious a step \
to instruct the governor to reserve the bill on account of this provision, as urged h
your ministers.

I venture to hope tliat during the negotiations with Newfoundland upon whicj
your government are about to enter it may be found possible to arrange for the mutuJ
withdrawal of the sections in the Canadian and Newfoundland Revenue Acts whicfl
have given rise to the present difficulty.

With regard to the retrospective provisions of the measure, as to the duties leviej
under the similar clause in the act of 1891 and the sums paid for license fees under tlS
Bait Act in 1890, with a view to the full consideration of these provisions, I instructed
the governor that unless they were accompanied by a suspending clause he must resenfl
the measure.

The question was then referred to the law officers of the crown, and they ha%||
reported thai her majesty may be properly advised to assent to the legislation fcj
retrospective legislation of the duties levied under section 13 of the Revenue Act ([■
L891, but that with respect to the sums charged for license fees under the Bait Act il
L890. .i there was no statutory or other authority for charging such fees they ouglj
nut to be sanctioned by retroactive legislation.

I have, therefore, in accordance with this opinion informed the governor of New!
foundland that if the bill is amended by the omission of the retrospective provisions em
t<> tin' bait license fees he may assent to it.

I have, tfcc,

KNUTSFORD.
16

Newfoundland and Canada.

No. 230.

Ibrtified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the Gth June, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a confidential
[espatch, hereto attached, dated 26th March, L892, from the right honourable the
ecretary of state for the colonies, acknowledging the receipt of a telegram from your
soellency dated 15th March, 1892, stating the views of the Canadian government as
0 the manner in which the draft Newfoundland convention discriminates against
aiiadii in favour of the United States.

The committee have had also under consideration the annexed report from the
linister of marine and fisheries, to whom the despatch was referred in which they
joncur.

All of which is respectfully submitted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

[Enclosure 1 in No. 230.]

Department of Marine and Fisheries,

Ottawa, 19th April, 1892.
o His Excellency the Governor-General in Council.

The undersigned has had under consideration the privy council reference no, 1122 h,
- th Ap., 1892.

It covers a confidential despatch from her majesty's principal secretary of state

it the colonies, dated 26th March, which acknowledges the receipt of a telegram from

<»ur excellency dated 15th ultimo, stating in what manner the draft convention

en Newfoundland and the United States discriminates against Canada in favour

he United States.

After quoting sections IV and V of this draft, referring to their meaning and

ating that it was natural in an arrangement applying solely to the United States that

i k uls imported only from that country should be mentioned, his lordship proceeds to

I hat there is nothing in article IV to imply that Newfoundland will not extend to

countries the same scale of duties. Lord Knutsford is of opinion also that even if

invention had come into force, an act of the legislature of Newfoundland would

e necessary to affect the rates of duty on imports.

He further points out that section 22 of the Newfoundland Tariff Act makes the
duction of duty on flour and pork, on the coming into force of the convention, of general
•plication.

Your excellency's ministers are assured by his lordship that her majesty will not
■ advised to give assent to any legislation by Newfoundland discriminating directlv
st the products of the Dominion.

His lordship then, touching the draft convention, the treaty of 1818, and the act

1819 — while admitting that privileges in excess of those allowed under that treaty

Mild be secured to United States' citizens — suggests that similar privileges were ac-

>rded United States' vessels by the Canadian government under licenses for a fee of

per ton, and that so far as Canada was concerned, the draft convention would

e the treaty of 1818 absolutely unimpaired.

The undersigned, on the important feature of discrimination, would refer to a joint
port of the honourable the minister of justice and himself, embodied in an approved
mute of council of 12th December, 1890, and the minute of council of 29th Jan-
iry, 1891.

These reports discussed the discrimination involved in the draft convention while
ider discussion.

) I 17

20d, e, /— 2

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.)

A. 1893

The opinion of your excellency's government was further expressed by an approved
minute of council (no. 972 H.) embodying a report of the undersigned, dated 3rc]
March, 1892, upon a despatch from the governor of Newfoundland, dated 26th Decern
ber, 1891, communicating a minute of the executive council, declining to take part ir
the submission of a case to the judicial committee of her majesty's privy council

The. undersigned now has the honour to submit that not only was discriminatior
contemplated by Newfoundland in favour of the United States of America against th<
Dominion of Canada, as indicated by sections 4 and 5 of the draft convention, but tha
to discriminate against Canada was, and is the intention of the government of Ne
foundland, is the more clearly established by the fact that, at the time of the conven
tion, the general duty on flour and pork was higher than the duty named in the drafi
convention.

It is of importance to note, in this connection, that, subsequently, the revenue hi
transmitted by the governor of Newfoundland for royal assent expressly provided foi
such discrimination. One of the delegates from Newfoundland on the French Sho:
Question, and a member of the legislature of Newfoundland, informed the undersign
that this bill was returned to Newfoundland for amendment, and it was amended b
the executive and not by the legislature, so that the general duties and those under t
convention were made to appear the same.

From the above there would appear to be abundant evidence that so soon as th
treaty is ratified the legislature of Newfoundland will be asked to raise the
duties, otherwise the effort of the United States to limit the duties on goods from th;
country is not easily understood.

The undersigned desires to invite your excellency's attention to the present di
crimination under a substantially prohibitive tariff against Canada as indicative of tl
intention of the Newfoundland government in this direction.

To show that the interpretation of the proposed arrangement is correct, the unde
signed refers to an article published in the New York Tribune of 13th November, 189
a recognized organ of the administration of that country, as well as by the attempts
the part of the United States to introduce the principle of discrimination in the r
treaty with the West Indies.

The undersigned submits also, and it should not be forgotten, that independen
of any treaty and apparently upon an informal and secret understanding, fishing ve
of the United States of America now, and since the negotiations, have been enjoying
the waters of Newfoundland privileges contrary to the provisions of the treaty of 181
which are denied the fishing vessels of the Dominion of Canada, and to those of
other country except the vessels of the United States.

This particular feature of the case formed the subject of a special report to yo
excellency dated 4th March, 1892, embodied in an approved minute of council, (i
$68) to which attention is again directed.

While his lordship's assurance that "Her Majesty will not be advised
assent to any Newfoundland legislation discriminating directly against the products
the Dominion" is very gratifying, it is nevertheless the fact that the governor
Newfoundland annually approves of orders in council directly discriminatory a
prohibitory to Canada, which are contrary to law, according to the law officers of
crown, and fiscal duties substantially prohibitory are at present being enforced
Newfoundland against goods from Canada.

The undersigned cannot refrain from reminding your excellency, in dealing vi
the drafi treaty and the intention and purpose of the Newfoundland government, of
pa i assurances and broken pledges of that executive, and of the unfriendly treat:
experienced bj Canada at the hands of Newfoundland, your excellency's governing
naturally apprehensive of any legislation which gives that colony the power to fu
discriminate against Canada. So that, if article IV of the convention may be cons
as not implying thai Newfoundland would refuse to others the scale of duties spe
for articles from the United States, it certainly affords no guarantee upon which
maje ty's government could rely that British interests would not be sacrificed to th]
< if a t'< ireign power.

Newfoundland and Canada.

The undersigned takes this opportunity to call your excellency's attention to an
mportant feature of the draft convention, to which the Canadian government, it is
true, has already objected, hut which is not dealt with by Lord ECnutsford.

Under the provisions of the convention, it is proposed, in substance, by the United
States' government, to favour the goods of Newfoundland in preference to those of
( lanada.

This feature of discrimination is clear.

To this the Canadian government strongly objects. It involves a policy fraught
with the gravest consequences in the consideration of imperial interests in British North
America, [t is practically an attempt to divide those interests which have hitherto
been united.

It is in effect a proposal to buy most favoured treatment through a surrender on
the part of Newfoundland of the most important rights acquired for British America as
a whole by the convention of 1818.

The undersigned submits that the interest involved under this convention of 1818
concern neither Canada nor Newfoundland alone ; but, affecting both, as they do, they
concern Canada to a much greater degree than Newfoundland.

In the opinion of the undersigned a sanction of the draft convention amounts, in
effect, to the destruction of important fishery clauses of the treaty of 1818.

The secretary of state of the United States may very properly seek the attainment
of this end, but it is yet believed by your excellency's government that no govern-
ment in Great Britain will aid him in the endeavour.

His lordship refers to the action of Canada in granting licenses to United States'
fishing vessels under the terms of what was known as the modus vivendi of 1888.

Your excellency will observe that Canada is pursuing, in this regard, a policy
highly endorsed by her majesty's government and in accordance with the understanding
of her majesty's commissioners and a representative of the government of Newfound-
land at Washington in 1888, and subsequently sanctioned by the legislatures of New-
foundland and Canada, and always by acts of parliament. In this arrangement New-
foundland co-operated with Canada, until it appeared possible to that colony that
advantage could be gained for Newfoundland at the cost of Canadian interests.

It is not to be forgotten, moreover, that the licenses granted to United States'
fishing vessels in Canadian waters preserve intact every provision of the treaty of 1818,
since the limited privileges granted from year to year are sold at a rate of $1.50 on each
registered ton of the vessel whose owner takes out a license.

No discrimination in the United States or in Canada is obtained in exchange for
this arrangement, and no interest of Newfoundland or of the British empire is impaired.

On the other hand it is now proposed by the draft convention, and contemporane-
ous action on the part of Newfoundland, to exclude Canadian vessels from the enjoy-
ment of privileges which are to be given free for a term of years to vessels of the United
States, and contrary to the provisions of the treaty of 1818.

The cases are not, therefore, it is submitted, analogous.

In conclusion, the undersigned remarks that the reference to imperial legislation in
this connection was made in order to strengthen the position taken by Canada when
claiming that the draft convention involved Canadian interests as well as those of
Newfoundland, and it is submitted that the imperial parliament could and should pro-
tect these interests, which so much affect the prosperity and solidarity of the British
empire.

The undersigned thoroughly agrees with Lord Knutsford in the manifest desir-
ability of removing any misapprehensions as to matters of fact and intention, so as to
leave the way open to a friendly settlement of the question at issue.

The undersigned recommends that a copy of this report, if approved, be forwarded
to the right honourable the principal secretary of state for the colonies, for the informa-
tion of her majesty's government.

Respectfully submitted,

CHARLES H. TUPPER,

Minister of Marine and Fisheries.
19
20d,«,/-2£

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 1893.

[Enclosure 2 in No. 230.]
(Despatch 26th March, 1892.)

(See No. 190, papers relating to Canada and Newfoundland. Session of 1892, page!
183, 23c, d, e, f, and h.)

No 231.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the > Honourable the Privy Council\
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 6th June, 1892.'

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a despatch dated
30th April, 1892, from the honourable the high commissioner for Canada, transmitting
a copy of a letter with enclosures, received by him from the colonial office, respecting ai
statement made in the Newfoundland legislature as to what passed at an interview
between the high commissioner and Mr. Blaine at Washington in 1891, also his reply!
thereto.

The minister of marine and fisheries, to whom the despatch was referred, observes!
that the high commissioner quotes the language used by him in the communication to
the late prime minister of Canada in connection with his interviews at the conference
at Washington during the year 1891.

The minister, in this connection, desires to call attention to the minute of council,
dated 18th May, 1892, upon the same subject, which deals more fully with the state
ment as made in the Newfoundland legislature.

The committee, on the recommendation of the minister of marine and fisheries,
advise that your excellency be moved to forward a copy hereof, together with copies oil
the despatch of the high commissioner, with its enclosure, to the governor of New-j
foundland, for his information.

All of which is respectfully submitted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.
[Enclosure 1 in No. 231.]
(See no. 202 preceding.)

[Enclosure 2 hi No. 231.]
(See Enclosure no. 1 in no. 202 preceding.)

[Enclosure 3 in No. 231.]
(See Enclosure no. 2 in no. 202 preceding.)

[Enclosure 4 in No. 231.]
(See Enclosure no. 3 in no. 202 preceding.)

No. 232.

Lord Stanley of Preston to Sir Terence O'Brien.

Office of the Governor-General's Secretary,

Ottawa, 11th June, 1892.

Ili^ Excellency Sir Teebncb O'Brien, K.C.M.G.

Sir, With reference fco your telegram of the 18th April last, dealing with a state
men! alleged bo have been made by the leader of the opposition in the Newfoundland
legislative assembly on the authority of Sir Charles Tupper, as to the intention olj
Newfoundland bo exclude Canadians from bait privileges, I have the honour to forward
herewith a copy of an approved minute of the privy council, 6th June, 1892, submit!
ting copy of a despatch, with its enclosures, received from the high commissioner or
tin subject,

Newfoundland and Canada.

It will be observed that the high commissioner denies having made iise of the
batement attributed to him in your telegram, and quotes the exad language of his
eport to the late Sir John Macdonald, which would appear to have been misappre-
lended.

I have, &c.,

STANLEY OF PRESTON.

No.' 233.
Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

June 17th, 1892.

We have reason to believe Newfoundland government prefer Canada to this coun-
ty as meeting place for conference in relations with Canada. Your ministers should
ommunicate with Newfoundland government as to best practical arrangements for
neeting.

KNUTSFORD.

No. 234.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 21st June, 1892.
The Governor-General,

&c, &c, &c.

My Lord, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your despatch no.
157 of the 19th May, forwarding copy of an approved minute of the privy council
igain urging that the case prepared by the Dominion government as to the legality of
.the action of the Newfoundland government in refusing to issue bait licenses to Cana-
dian fishermen should be submitted to the judicial committee of the privy council.

Since the date of your lordship's despatch, a considerable change has taken place
thAhe attitude of Newfoundland on this question, and her majesty's government hope
that the friendly discussion of the matter between the two governments which is to
take place will result in a permanent and satisfactory arrangement on this point. In
these circumstances her majesty's government do not think it advisable at present to
take the further steps indicated by your ministers.

I have, -&c,

KNUTSFORD.

No. 235.

Lord Knutsford to Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 6th July, 1892.
Governor General,

The Right Honourable Lord Stanley of Preston, G.C.B.

My Lord, — With reference to my telegram of the 31st May, I have the honour to
acquaint you, that although I have felt unable to authorize the governor of Newfound-
land to issue a proclamation bringing into force the section of the Newfoundland
Revenue Act, which sanctions the collection of the bait license fees imposed during 1890,
1 am strongly of opinion that as the government of that colony have now adopted a
more friendly attitude towards Canada, it would be a graceful act on the part of your
ministers and in accordance with the spirit of the modus vivendi agreed upon between
the two governments, rf they were to withdraw the actions which it is understood they
have brought for the recovery of the sums paid for these license fees.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 1893;

There is still, unfortunately, considerable feeling against Canada existing in New]
foundland, and this cannot fail to be intensified should these actions .be pressed, and
thus the good hopes which her majesty's government have entertained of establishing
the relation of the two colonies on a permanent and satisfactory footing might bq
seriously imperilled.

The sums paid do not amount to much in the aggregate, and the persons who hav(j
paid them have no doubt long since written them off, so that little hardship would b(|
entailed on individuals by the withdrawal of the actions, and I am confident that th*1
forbearance of your government to press their claims in this matter would be highM
appreciated in Newfoundland, while it would certainly be viewed with satisfaction m
her majesty's government.

I have, &e.,

KNUTSFORD.

No. 236.

Sir F. B. T. Carter to Lord Stanley of Preston.

The Governor-General, &c, &c, &c.

Government House, St. John's, 12th July, 1892.

My Lord, — With reference to your lordship's despatch of the 11th June lasl
respecting a statement alleged to have been made by Sir Charles Tupper in relation tj
the exclusion of Canadians from British privileges within this colony, I have the honou
to state that I have submitted your lordship's despatch, with enclosures, to the executiv
council.

I have, &c,

F. B. T. CARTER, Administrator.

No. 237.

The Marquis of Rvpon to Lord Stanley of Preston.

His Excellency

The Lord Stanley of Preston.

Downing Street, 26th August 1892.

My Lord, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your despatch of
30th of June, forwarding a copy of an approved minute of the privy council deal
with the question of discrimination between Newfoundland and the United States.

Tn reply I have to acquaint you, for the information of your ministers, that I
ii«>t he supposed to assent to the contentions raised in this minute, as they have aires
been dealt with in previous communications. I do not think it necessary to disc
tlicin t'urt ber.

I would observe, however, that there would appear to have been some misunc
standing between the minister of marine and fisheries and one of the delegates fi
Newfoundland respecting the mode of enacting the Newfoundland Revenue Bill
L891.

That measure was received in this department from the colony exactly in the fc
in which it now stands amongst the statutes of the colony ; it was not returned to N<
foundland for amendment, and it will be seen from the Journals of the Newfoundk
Legislature of the 4th of May, 1891, that the amendment in question was made in
usual manner by the legislature.

T have, &,c.

RIPON.
9?

Newfoundland and Canada,

No. 238.

brtified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council mi the I '2th
September, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a despatch,
ated 6th July, 1892, from the right honourable the principal secretary of state for
lir colonies, advising of the inability of her majesty's government to authorize the
overnment of Newfoundland to issue a proclamation bringing into force the sect ion <»f
he Newfoundland Revenue Act which sanctions the collection of the bait license fees
Imposed during 1890.

The minister of marine and fisheries, to whom the despatch was referred, observes
hat his lordship the secretary of state for the colonies expresses hiinself as strongly
>f the opinion that, under the changed condition of affairs between the colony of New-
foundland and the dominion of Canada, it would be a graceful act on the part of the
Canadian government, and in accordance with the spirit of the modus vvvendi agreed
ipon, if they were to withdraw- the actions brought for the recovery of the sums paid
for such license fees.

The minister further observes that it is said that the sums paid do not, in the
iggregate, amount to much, and the persons who have paid them have no doubt long
since written them off, and that little hardship would be entailed by the withdrawal of
he actions, while it would be appreciated by Newfoundland, and be viewed with satis-
faction by her majesty's government.

The minister suggests that, in his view, according to the understanding under
which proceedings were instituted, the Canadian government would seem to be under
a moral obligation to the litigants to carry on these suits, if possible, to a successful
termination, nor could the claimants be asked to forego their demands unless Canada
were prepared to assume the liability of Newfoundland. However small the amounts,
the claimants are for the most part ill able to afford their loss, and the minister does
not conceive that the hope of establishing good relations with Newfoundland, would be
seriously impaired by insistence on what Canada is advised is a just and legal claim,
inasmuch as it is not to be presumed that the government of Newfoundland would
desire to retain any amount which might be found by the proper tribunal to have been
exacted without the authority of the law.

The minister, with every desire to promote good feeling between Canada and New-
foundland, and to co-operate with her majesty's government in the maintenance of the
most cordial and fraternal relations, is unable to recommend that the suits in question
be abandoned.

The committee, concurring in the above, advise that your excellency be moved to
forward a copy of this report, if approved, to the right honourable the principal
secretary of state for the colonies, for the information of her majesty's government.
All of- which is respectfully submitted for vour excellency's approval.

* JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

No. 239.

Administrator of Xeivfoundland to Lord Stanley of Preston.

St. John's, Newfoundland, 15th Sept., 1892.

Am requested by my responsible advisers to enquire of Y. L. earliest possible date
at which it will be convenient for a deputation of Canadian government to meet delega-
tion from this colony at Halifax to discuss fishery question and other questions of differ-
ence between the two governments.

k ADMINISTRATOR.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 18!

No. 240.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Councl
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 23m
September, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had before them a telegram from tn
administrator of the government of Newfoundland to your excellency, dated the 15t|
September, 1892, hereto attached.

The committee advise that your excellency be moved to inform the administrate)
by telegraph, that a deputation from the Canadian government can meet a delegatio
from the government of Newfoundland at Halifax to discuss the fishery question an
other questions between Newfoundland and the Dominion, any time after the tenth da]
of October next.

The committee further advise that the government of Newfoundland be invited ti
name a day subsequent to the tenth of October, on which it would be convenient f<
their delegates to meet a Canadian delegation.

JOHN J. McGEE,
Clerk, Privy Council.

No. 241.

Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council approved by His Excellent
the Governor-General in Council on the 23rd September, 1892.

The committee of the privy council beg to recommend to your excellency that th
minister of militia and defence, the minister of customs, and the minister of marine an*
fisheries, be appointed a deputation to meet and confer with certain delegates from th
government of Newfoundland upon the fishery question and other questions betweei
the two governments.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

No 242.

Sir Terence O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.

St. John's, Newfoundland, 25th October, 1892

My Lord, — Referring to my telegram of October 22nd, delegation from Newfoundj
land purpose leaving on November 2nd by Allan mail steamer.

O'BRIEN.

No. 243.

CERTIFIED Cop? of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci^
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 29th Octobei

is'.,:.

The committee <>f the privy council have had before them a despatch, heret<
attached, dated 20th June, 1892," from the administrator of the government of New
foundland, advising thai his government still decline to consider the claim of Mr
Henry Dicks forthe rest ..ration of his schooner "Hattie," which was seized by the New
foundland officials, and for a refund of customs duties claimed to have been iJlegalh
collected from him, and also a report thereon, hereto attached, dated 19th August, 1892
from the minister of marine and fisheries, to whom the above mentioned despatch wa*
referred, in which W is recommended that the despatch in question be referred to tht
minister of justice for his consideration of the steps which may be taken' in this case.

Newfoundland and Canada.

The minister of justice recommends that the claim in question and all papers in

mnection therewith — minute of council of 31st December, 1890, no. 2840 ; minute

council of 26th January, 1891, no. 145, 1891 ; and minute of council of 26th

[arch, 1892, no. 560H — be referred to those members of your excellency's council,

no are about to confer with commissioners from the government of Newfoundland in

i to divers matters in difference between that colony and Canada, with a view to

;cir obtaining proper settlement, and in the event of no such settlement being

I, that the papers be again referred to the minister of marine and fisheries in

•der thai the whole matter may be brought to the attention of her majesty's govern-

ent

The committee submit the above recommendation for your excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

[Enclosure 1 in No. 243.]

Department of Marine and Fisheries, Canada,

Ottawa, 19th August, 1892.
i His Excellency

The Governor General in Council.

On reference, no. 1289H, from the privy council, dated 14th ultimo, covering copy
a despatch of the 20th June last, from the administrator of the government of New-
ondland stating that his ministers still decline to consider the claim of Mr. Henry
icks, for the restoration of his schooner "Hattie," which was seized by the Newfound-
(iii officials, and for the refund of customs duties claimed to have been illegally collected
>in him, the undersigned has the honour to recommend that the despatch be now
ferred to the honourable the minister of justice for his consideration of the steps which
iy he taken in this case.

Respectfully submitted,

CHARLES H. TUPPER,

Minister of Marine and Fisheries.

[Enclosure 2 in No. 243.]

Administrator to Governor-General.

Government House, St. John's, 20th June, 1892.
ie Right Honourable

The Lord Stanley of Preston,
&c., <fec., &c.

My Lord, — In answer to your lordship's despatch of the 30th March last, forward-
: an approved minute of the privy council with reference to the case of Mr. Henry
1 have the honour to inform your lordship that my ministers still decline to
isider the claim.

I have, &c,

F. B. T. CARTER,

Administrator.

[Enclosure 3 in No. 243.]

RTIFIED Copy oj a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 26th March, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had under consideration a despatch (hereto
ached), dated 10th April, 1891, from the governor of Newfoundland communicating

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20r.) A. ^188

a letter from his colonial secretary, dated 9th April, 1891, in answer to a minuteB
council of the 31st December, 1890, recommending that the attention of the NewfouB
land government be called to a claim on behalf of Mr. Henry Dicks, owner of I
schooner "Hattie," of Charlottetown.

The minister of marine and fisheries, to whom the despatch was referred, obserH
that in the despatch it is stated that the government of Newfoundland considered t{§
there were no grounds for the claim set up by Mr. Dicks, as if he did suffer loss it mi
upon a breach of the local laws.

The minister further observes that the minute of council above referred to fully M
out that the claim in question, amounting to $2,000, was preferred by reason of I
treatment received at the hands of the Newfoundland authorities in connection with I
Bait Act, and it was also pointed out that throughout the whole transaction thjt
appeared to be every disposition on the part of Mr. Dicks to comply with the requH
ments of the local laws.

The minister, in view of the answer returned by the Newfoundland govermJj
in this connection, recommends that your excellency be moved to inquire of the dfl
ernor of Newfoundland whether his government is ready to afford an opportunitylfc
Capt. Dicks to substantiate his claim by proof.

The committee advise that your excellency be moved to forward a copy of I
minute to his excellency the governor of Newfoundland.

All of which is respectfully submitted for your excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council. 0

No. 244.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Cot
<ij>l>roved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the
October, 1892.

The committee of the privy council beg to recommend to your excellency thai
minister of justice be appointed a member of the deputation to meet and confer
certain delegates from the government of Newfoundland upon the fishery question
other questions between the two governments, in the room of the minister of me
and fisheries, who is obliged to proceed to England on official business.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

No. 245.

Sir T. O'Brien to Lord Stanley of Preston.

St. John's, Newfoundland, 5th Nov., 1892.

Mail steamer arrived this morning. Delegates will start to-night.

O'BRIEN.

No. 246.

Report of a Committee of the Honourable tlie Privy Council, approved by His £
lency the Governor-General in Council on the 9th December, 1892.

The committee of the privy council, on the recommendation of Sir John Thorn}
K.( J.M.G., submil the accompanying copy of the proceedings of the conference rece
held al Halifax bel ween delegates from the governments of Canada and Newfoundl
for your excellency's information.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.
26

Newfoundland and Canada.

If is Excellency the Governor-General in Council :

Pursuant to arrangement, delegates representing the governments of Canada and
fffoundland respectively, met in the legislative council chamber at Halifax on the
ember, 1892, at 11 o'clock.

Tlurc were present, the honourable Mackenzie Bowell, honourable J. A. Chapleau
I honourable Sir John Thompson, K.C.M.G., representing the government of Canada,
honourable Sir William Whiteway, K.C.M.G., honourable A. W. Harvey and
tonrable Robert Bond, representing the government of Newfoundland.

The delegates thereupon filed their credentials (see appendices 1, 2, 3 and 4).

The conference was organized by the selection of Sir William Whiteway as chair-
n. and Mr. Douglas Stewart, of the department of justice, Ottawa, as secretary.

1 1 was agreed that the following subjects should be considered by the conference : —

(1.) The convention between Newfoundland and the United States, known as the
nd-Blaine convention.

(2.) The bait question.

> The imposition of a tariff on Newfoundland fish by the Canadian government,
I the tariff of Newfoundland on Canadian products.

> The boundary between Canadian Labrador and Newfoundland, and collection
luties at Labrador.

(5.) The status of Newfoundland fishermen on the coast of Canadian Labrador, and
status of Canadian fishermen on the coast of Newfoundland.

) The fees collected from United States vessels under the modus vivendi, for
in 1888, and succeeding years.
It was understood that the conclusions which might be arrived at by the conference
»uld be ad referendum to the respective governments.

It was agreed that the sessions of the conference should begin at 10 o'clock a.m.
t S o'clock p.m. each day until the conference should conclude.

LABRADOR.

The question of the Labrador boundary was first considered.

Mr. Bowell explained that the present grievance was one more particularly relating
customs exactions than one in connection with location of the boundary. While
nister of customs, his attention had been called to the report of Lieut. Gordon, R.N.,
which it was stated that traders who supplied the coast of Labrador, and who usually
ide Rigoulette their first port of call, were required by the Newfoundland customs
icials to make entry there, and pay duty on the full cargo, although a portion of the
rgo was intended for consumption on Canadian territory. This system was said to
ply more particularly to supplies for the Labrador coast in the vicinity *of Ungava

Sir William Whiteway said that it seemed to him that the Newfoundland customs
icials would only exact duty upon such goods as might be reported for entry at the
it in Newfoundland territory to which they might be consigned — that this was more
a matter between the traders or importers and the customs officials, than one for the
isideration of the respective governments. He pointed out that the Canadian gov-
nnent had full power to exact customs duties on all goods entering their territory at
a Bay or elsewhere, even though they had previously paid duty at Rigoulette,
d that the customs officer at Rigoulette had no instructions to exact duties on goods
her than those entered for consumption in Newfoundland territory.

Mr. Harvey stated that he had never heard of the grievance before, and that he
a quite sure that the customs officer on the coast of Labrador had no authority to act
the manner which had been alleged.

Mr. Bond repudiated any desire on the part of the Newfoundland government to
rmit such a practice.

Mr. Bowell replied that while it was satisfactory to learn that no instructions had
en given by the Newfoundland government to its officers to collect customs duties

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A 18!;;

upon goods, the ultimate destiny of which was for consumption in Canada, it was hi
portant to know whether such duties had been collected and passed to the credit of M
Newfoundland revenue. It would be seen by reference to the reports of Lieut. GordJIi
of 1884 and 1886, that this had been done, whether through error on the part of NeB:
foundland customs officials or not, was not known. In confirmation of what he had sali
he might mention the fact that Mr. Parmelee, commissioner of customs of Canada, Ml
during the past summer, visited some of the Hudson Bay posts, on the shores of Jamil
Bay, and had, on inquiry, learned from Hudson's Bay officers, that duties had been p;'[
by the company to Newfoundland officers upon goods destined to that portion of tM
Dominion on the shores of Ungava Bay, from which place they were distributed I*
trading purposes in the interior of that portion of Canada. If this were the case, al
there did not seem to be any doubt of it, the practice should not be continued, whateJi
might be done in relation to such moneys as had been so collected in the past. He \k\
scarcely prepared to accept the proposition laid down by Sir William Whiteway, tn
this was more of a matter between the "traders or importers and the customs officiji]
than for the consideration of the respective governments." If duties had been improp.'
ly collected by the customs officials of either government, upon goods which were fl
consumption in the territory of another country, it was clearly a question of consideBl
tion for those governments interested, and not for the trader or official. Such pow«
could never be recognized as existing in an officer of any government.

Mr. Chapleau added that the Hudson's Bay officers had informed Mr. Parmeli
that the Newfoundland customs officers had collected duties at Rigoulette upon goqV
which were known to be for consumption in Canadian territory in the neighbourhoods
Ungava Bay.

The question was allowed to stand over, pending further information as to tw
actual practice in the past, at the Newfoundland ports referred to, and the value ajl
quantity of goods which were so entered, if any, destined for consumption in Canada*
being agreed by the delegates from both countries, that if irregularities of the charaejl
under discussion had occurred, it was a matter of administration solely, and- would be})'
disposed of.

With reference to the boundary question, Sir William Whiteway said that t»
delimitation was marked on a map which had been published, he understood, by auth
ity of the Canadian government, and was now in the colonial secretary's office in j.
John's, and which was quite acceptable to him as showing the true boundary.

Mr. Harvey stated that he had never doubted but that the delimitation, as sho1!
on the map referred to, was final.

Sir John Thompson explained that the map was merely a possible boundary S'l
geated by the geographer of the department of the interior at Ottawa. That the g<
eminent of Canada had understood that the question of boundary was yet undecided.

Tlif question of the boundary in Labrador was further discussed for some time, al
an examination was made of three different maps, in which different boundaries ;
shown, none of which, Sir William Whiteway said, was the map referred to by him.

THE BAIT QUESTION.

The bail question was then introduced by Mr. Harvey, wdio stated that he was, J
a great extent, the author of the bill, and was a member of the committee which fin^f
prepared it. He explained that, at the time the statute was adopted, it was not intend
that fishermen of Canada should be treated differently from those of Newfoundland, 1
th.it the rights of fishermen of Newfoundland or of Canada to obtain licenses was

iifit her case guaranteed.

THE HOND-HLAINE CONVENTION.

Sir William Whiteway suggested that it would, he thought, be desirable that
Canadian delegates should make a statement to the conference of the reasons wh
induced the Canadian government to protest the ratification of what was known as
Bond Blaine convenl ion.

Newfoundland and Canada.

far John Thompson reviewed the history of previous negotiations affecting the rela
, of thr provinces of British North America with the United States, and pointed out,
in thf Reciprocity 'Treaty of L854 (although the maritime provinces of British
tli America \\ ere not represented in the negol iat ions), they (Newfoundland included)
• riven an opportunity to avail themselves of the provisions of that treaty. Again,
pi, when the Washington Treaty was effected, it contained a similar provision in
ur of Newfoundland, although Newfoundland was not represented. When an agree-
t was made with the administration of the United States in 1888, Newfoundland's
vsts were protected. Her government was consulted at the various stages of the
.nations and a provision was inserted requiring the consent of the legislature of the
m. The practice had been from the earliest times, as regards negotiations between
imperial government and foreign countries, that the interests of all her British
th American colonies should be considered together, not only as regards fisheries
uts, but also regarding matters affecting trade relations.

The negotiations between Mr. Blaine and Mr. Bond were well advanced before the
fulian government had become aware of them, as it first did through the press,
awards an intimation came from the British minister at Washington that the con-
ion was on the point of being concluded. Canada had no opportunity of being

trd, and when she asked for the option to be included in any convention which might

made, Mr. Blaine intimated that he would negotiate for a wider treaty with Canada.

then reviewed the negotiations on the part of Canada, in conformity with Mr. Blaine's

rgestion for a " wider arrangement." Negotiations had been entered upon by Canada,

1 it was found that the "wider" arrangement would involve conditions which it

ukl be impossible to accept. No arrangement, in short, could be effected without dis-

, nination against Great Britain- — the practical adoption of the United States tariff —

i the imposition of fiscal conditions which would practically give the United States

fixing of a tariff for Canada. He pointed out that the Bond-Blaine convention would

-ult in a discrimination against Canada, and that it was accompanied by restrictions

ights and privileges which her fishermen had previously enjoyed and which were

t imposed on United States fishermen. He suggested that the following principles

•ukl be assented to : —

(1.) That Canada as well as Newfoundland should have the right to take pat in
h, or any negotiations which would affect the interests of both countries.

(2.) That at the very least, no convention should be concluded which both countries
>uld not have the option to avail themselves of.

He quoted an address of the legislature of Newfoundland passed in 1852, asserting
ese principles in relation to the negotiations for the treaty of 185-1. He also referred
the decision of her majesty's government to the like purport when steps were being
ken to effect a separate arrangement with Prince Edward Island.

The efforts to obtain a fair arrangement with the United States were only relaxed
len it was found that the conditions imposed would sow the seeds of imperial disin-
flation; and he thought that any separate arrangement such as the Bond-Blaine con-
ation, would divide the hitherto united interests of British American dependencies.
He referred to the fact that the convention would accord to the United States
hermen privileges in Newfoundland which were denied by the treaty of 1818, and
it any abrogation of the provisions of that treaty would seriously affect Canadian
hermen. The latter would therefore suffer from the discrimination before referred
and from the loss of the benefits of the treaty of 1818.

Sir William Whiteway asked the Canadian delegates whether, supposing for the
ke of argument, a limited time was fixed to afford an opportunity for Canada to nego-
ith the United States, and those negotiations becoming futile, they would persist
their protest against the completion of the Bond-Blaine convention 1 In suggesting
is question, he observed that if correct, as contended, and no doubt it was so, that the
tides which under that convention would be admitted free to the United States from
ewfoundland, it would be advantageous to Canada to have admitted free from there
so, then if Canada could not obtain the concessions and Newfoundland could do so,

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 18

would it not be beneficial to the empire as a whole, if a part could obtain the privil
although the whole could not 1 Was it an evidence of friendliness for Canada to obj
to Newfoundland to be benefited because Canada could not? He then went on toar;
that the opening up of a new market in the United States for Newfoundland fish wo
indirectly be beneficial to Canada in withdrawing the fish sent to the United States fi
other markets.

A discussion then followed as to the articles enumerated in the convention, and
question of crude minerals having been mentioned, Mr. Bond stated, that althougl
was not stipulated in the draft convention submitted to Sir Julian Pauncefote by
Blaine, it was thoroughly understood that crude minerals should be admitted in
event of a resolution of approval being adopted by the Boston chamber of comme
This resolution of approval had been adopted, and he (Mr. Bond) had communica
such to Sir Julian Pauncefote and "suggested the insertion of the words.

Sir William White way, reviewing concisely the position of Newfoundland,
fisheries, and the disabilities under which she laboured, consequent upon the Fre
Treaty question, repeated his question and asked, whether in view of all the circ
stances, in the event of Canada failing to secure a reciprocal arrangement for her-
within a given time, she would persist in her refusal to acquiesce in a convention secujd
by Newfoundland 1

Sir John Thompson thought that the Canadian delegates should hardly be aske<i -
make a pledge in advance. It would be only fair to see what the grounds might be^ .
which equal arrangements wTould be refused to Canada, assuming that they were tc I
refused. If they were refused on the ground of Canada's fidelity to the interests of j
empire, Canada could not be blamed for asking that the protection of her lnajes
government should still be extended to her people against a convention which w
injure their interests.

Sir William White way contended that Canada would not be injured, but ^v-
foundland would be benefited by the Bond-Blaine convention.

Mr. Harvey reviewed the circumstances which led up to the Bond-Blaine convent I
He stated that in all previous negotiations, more particularly those of 1854, lfl
and 1888, Newfoundland was not represented. That while it was true that she jat
given the option of becoming a party to such arrangements iis had been effected, y<jlb
was equally true that her interests had been sacrificed in each case. That she m
watched with interest the negotiations made in 1888 between Canada and the Vim
States, and attributed their failure, not to diverse trade interests, so much as to o'ei
questions in dispute between the two countries. He considered that .the failure of W
was due almost entirely to the irritated state of public feeling in the United States 1tl
reference to such questions as the "Canal Tolls" and " Behring Sea" difficulty.

In view of this it was thought desirable by the government of Newfoundland
enter into negotiations on her own account. With this in view she made applies
and eventually received the consent of the imperial government to enter upon such ik>-
fciations. The result of these negotiations was entirely satisfactory to the go verm;"
of Newfoundland, and, as he believed, not inimical to the interests of Canada. He
sidered it rather unjustifiable on the part of the Canadian government that they shall
refuse to allow Newfoundland to profit by these privileges simply because Canada i
not participate. •

He lucidly pointed out the peculiar position in which Newfoundland was ]
on accounl of the fact that she had only one great industry. That her chief ind
had been crippled by the aggressiveness of the French, in asserting their alleged ri
which had virtually driven Newfoundland fish from the markets of Europe. Hel
mitted thai Canada did not afford any market, at present, for the products of
foundland, the herring trade with the province of Quebec having been crowded oi :
the deyelopmenl of the frozen fish trade of the maritime provinces of Canada. Ii I
extremity, Newfoundland had looked to the almost unlimited markets of the UJt*
States and had mel with a very satisfactory response. He referred to this a
roborating his previously expressed opinion that the United States was not unw|

Newfoundland and Canada.

iter into reciprocal arrangements with British colonics with which no outside
questions were pending. He referred fco Sir John Thompson's statement that,
traditions regarding the treatment of the fisheries in British North America, they
jlways been considered the property of the empire and not the property of the
tees to which they were adjacent. In this connection lie pointed OUl that this
had first been violated by Canada, when, in 1885, she adopted a statute which
authority fco levy duty upon fish imported from Newfoundland, while Canadians
indisputed right fco fish in all Newfoundland waters and take the fish there
it by them into the Dominion without payment of duties. In view of this fact, he
nded that it hardly became Canada to attribute to Newfoundland a violation of
litional usage. He appealed to the Canadian delegates to act with justice and
fiity, and fco endeavour fco appreciate the peculiar position in which Newfoundland
at present placed.

Sir John Thompson replied that, while it was true that the statute of 1885 applied to

countries, including Newfoundland, it was not to be forgotten that that act had not

en put into operation until after the "Bait Act" had been adopted by the legislature

Newfoundland, and in fact, not until after the Bond-Blaine convention had been

sgotiated. He considered this a sufficient answer to the suggestion of Mr. Harvey

mada had taken the first step towards the violation of the long-established usage

ferred to.

Mr. Bond handed in the following returns presented by the customs department
Newfoundland, being from the 1st January to 31st December in each respective

Calendar Years.

Imports
from Canada.

Imports from
United States.

Exports to
Canada.

Exports to
United States.

2,126,840
2,340,138
2,150,016
2,040,547
1,937,605
1,986,229
2,041,144
2,076,258
2,423,319
2,499,945

2,214,733

2,839,302
2,145,928
1,955,278
1,671,810
1,337,322
1,602,138
1,615,143
1,247,754
1,526,674

404,090
397,176
332,675
231,173
195,245
312,084
482,497
489,367
631,104
794,844

308,722
589,673
291,137
196, 79<',

288,453

258,057

327,925
485,202
452,100

*91

580,577

Mr. Chapleau presented detailed returns of the trade between Canada and New-
foundland during the last five years, as shown by the Canadian trade returns. The
•Mowing is a recapitulated summary : —

IMPORTS FROM NEWFOUNDLAND.

Fiscal Year.

89a

Total Imports.

426,769
488,874
470,362
751,121
925,056

Total
Free Goods.

Total Dutiable.

396,480
484,623
460,545
736,724
698,104

30,289
4,251
9,817

14,397
226,952

Entered for

Home
Consumption.

421,599
488,050
469,639
751,003
753,249

Duty

collected.

3,211
1,087
3,386
3,452
4,191

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EXPORTS TO NEWFOUNDLAND.

Fiscal Year.

Total Exports.

1,523,827
1,303,335
1,185,739
1,467,908
1,750,714

Produce of Canada.

Not the
Produce of Canada. 1

1888

1889

1890

1,422,802
1,147,681
982,154
1,312,621
1,533,607

101,025
155,654
203,585
155,287
217,107

1891

1892

He pointed out that the trade between Newfoundland and Canada was of no mel
importance, and was in the aggregate nearly equal to that carried on between NeB
foundland and the United States. He impressed upon the Newfoundland delegates tl
friendly spirit which had always been evinced by Canada as illustrated by the fact th.l
although the Customs Act empowered the Canadian government to collect duties on tl
imported from Newfoundland, its provisions had been held in suspense, so far as trl
colony was concerned, with the exception of two or three months, when through tl
irritation of the Bait Act it had been allowed to go into operation.

Mr. Harvey explained that the amount of Newfoundland fish which appeared
" Entered for home consumption " in the Canadian trade returns, was misleadiiB
Almost the whole of this fish was transhipped from Canadian ports to other countriH
and was merely entered at the customs to avoid the cost and trouble of warehousiil
As to the duty not having been exacted, though enacted on Newfoundland fish in 18M
the Newfoundland government, at his (Mr. Harvey's) suggestion, immediately i
learning of the imposition of duty on Newfoundland fish, inserted a clause in their ta:B
imposing a heavy differential duty on articles coming from any country, which possess]
the right to use Newfoundland fisheries, and still impose a duty on fishery produH
when exported from the island. This automatic clause caused the merchants and mill j*
of Canada to bring such pressure to bear on their government that the duties were xfl
exacted on Newfoundland fish.

Mr. Bowell pointed out that the Trade and Navigation Returns of Canada did it
bear out that statement. These returns showed clearly the quantity of fish import!
from Newfoundland and entered for home consumption in Canada, and also the quantB
imported from the same colony and subsequently exported. Entries would not bemn
as indicated by Mr. Harvey. If an entry were made for immediate exportation.*
would be so entered in the customs returns. The trade in Newfoundland fish, parti -
laily herring, was of much greater importance than indicated by Mr. Harvey. He tni
explained how these statistics were kept, contending that they were in the main correB
and that if any errors existed, it would be in the omission by the officials in enters
fche full quantity imported.

A desultory discussion followed, after which the conference adjourned urB
Thursday, at 10 o'clock a.m.

W. V. WHITEWAY, Chairman. M. BOWELL,
1!. BOND. J. A. CHAPLEAU.

A. W. HARVEY. JOHN S. D. THOMPSON.

DOUGLAS STEWART, .Secretary.

Thursday, 10th November, 1892.
ill the delegates being present.

Conference resumed at 10 o'clock

THE liOND-BLAINE CONVENTION.

of the Bond-Blaine convention was continued.

( 'onsideral to

Mr. Bond discussed the points referred to by Sir John Thompson during
previous day's proceedings and dwelt particularly on the suggestion made, that in

Newfoundland and ( !anada.

, limis affecting the interests of the British North American colonies, all those
ependencies should be consulted, lit- referred to the manner in which Newfoundland

ts hud been sacrificed or neglected, during the progress of previous negotiations,
mi 1 traced the various measures adopted by Newfoundland, in her endeavours to secure

rht to negotiate for herself with regard to trade and fishery matters. He con-
dered that Sir John Thompson's contention with regard to joint negotiations was
illy answered by the fact that, although Canada had participated in various negotia-
ons from time to time, Newfoundland had never been asked or invited to have her

its represented. He traced the various steps taken by Newfoundland to secure a
ah\ to be heard in her own interests, and the consent eventually given by the imperial
overnment in 1890, which resulted in the Bond-Blaine convention. These efforts to
'.tain the right to negotiate, as well as the various steps in connection with the con-
dition under discussion, had, he submitted, been properly and regularly taken, as
ould appear by the despatches in connection therewith, which were on file in the
►lonial ottice. The negotiations for a separate treaty extended over a lengthened
eriod, and it was to be presumed that the Canadian government had been advised of
ic same by the imperial government.

He proceeded to discuss the points at issue and the contentions of Sir John
bompson with regard to the discriminatory effect on Canada. When negotiating the
►nvention he had distinctly assured Mr. Blaine that no discrimination, would, nor
mid be attempted by his government as regards Canada. He referred to the lower
i riff suggested on flour and pork, and stated that the changes in the tariff could only
b consummated by a revision of the Customs Act, which revision must necessarily be
lbject to the royal assent. He presumed that this assent would not be given if it
tould be found that the changes involved a discrimination against other British clepen-
encies. This, he considered, was sufficient protection to Canadian interests. He fully
incurred in Sir John Thompson's contention that the rights of a colony could not be
i well protected by indirect representation as if directly represented during negotia-
nts. In this connection he submitted that Canada had not acted on that principle
luring the negotiations of 1888. While it was true that Sir James Winter had been
insulted with regard to these negotiations, it was equally true that he had never been
:corded an opportunity to appear before the plenipotentiaries, and that as a result
Important interests of Newfoundland were overlooked. Referring to the suggestion

anada should have been included in any negotiations with Newfoundland, he said
"wt'oundland had never objected to Canada being included in such. He pointed out
iat no such objection had been made on the part of Canada to the negotiations until
tter it had been publicly announced that the negotiations were successful. He closed
ivr distinctly asserting that the convention did not involve any discrimination against
anada, nor did it involve a lowering of the duties exacted, generally, from United

products. With the exception of the articles he had mentioned, flour and pork,

is specification of the duties to be exacted on United States products was merely a

uarantee that those duties should not be increased during the term of the convention,

bd he repeated the opinion expressed by his colleagues, that Canada had no right to

against an arrangement merely on the grounds that it gave to Newfoundland

bages which Canada had repeatedly attempted to obtain in vain. He could not

ie that it would be seriously contended, now that it had been found impossible
r Canada to conclude an arrangement with the United States for reciprocal trade,

my injustice was done by the endeavour on the part of Newfoundland to obtain

' ification of the Bond-Blaine convention. In reply to a question put by Sir
illiam Whiteway, he understood Sir John Thompson to say that if the United States
ntinued to exhibit illwill towards the Dominion, or ventured to carry out the threats

liation which had been made, the Dominion government would have to persist in

position to the Newfoundland convention. He pointed out the great injustice of
l'U a position, contending that it was tantamount to a declaration that Newfoundland

differ for acts committed by the United States and for which Newfoundland was
no way responsible. He hoped that he had misunderstood Sir John Thompson's
>int

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Mr. Chapleau asked the Newfoundland delegates whether they questioned th
right of Canada to appeal to the imperial authorities for protection in trade negotiation
in which they considered their interests were being prejudiced.

Mr. Harvey would not go so far as to deny the right of Canada to protest, but wha
he objected to was that she should persist in her protest in view of the explanations an
reasonable assurances which had been given.

Mr. Chapleau asked if it was to be understood that the convention did not involv
any disadvantage to any of the provinces of British North America, and if the delegate
from Newfoundland were prepared to give assurances that under no circumstance
should such discrimination be made ?

Mr. Bond, " certainly." He thought it should be remembered in considering thi
question that for many years Canada had obtained from the United States certain coi
cessions under treaty in return for privileges, which Newfoundland alone could furnisli
He referred to the bait privileges. Up to last year it was believed by the United Stata
that Canada was able to supply her fishermen with all the bait they required. This idt
had been exploded by the enforcement of the Bait Act against Canadian fishermen la>
year, for it was then clearly demonstrated that Canada had not a sufficiency of bait t
meet her own requirements, and that Newfoundland held the key of the position as A
gards the Canadian, the United States and French bank fishing. He took the positio!
that, if Canada desired in future to obtain concessions from the United States in e:
change for privileges which it was now evident that Newfoundland could alone confe,
it was another reason why the colony should demand and expect the withdrawal <
Canada's protest.

Mr. Bowell pointed out that the provisions of the proposed treaty did not, in h
opinion, bear out the interpretation put upon it by Mr. Bond. There was a distill
provision in the convention that flour and other articles, the product of the Unite!
States, should be admitted into Newfoundland at a lower rate of duty than that charge
upon the same articles when imported from other countries. He could find no provisi<
giving the same advantages to Canada . On the contrary, the Americans had stipulate
that in the case of a reduction of duty on these articles when imported from other couii
tries, a like reduction should be made on the articles mentioned in the treaty, when ii
ported from the United States, which seemed to imply that the same difference in dm)
in favour of the United States should be continued during the existence of the treat
if ratified. He could not conceive it possible that Great Britain would refuse to gi\
her consent to a tariff act, as suggested by Mr. Bond, passed by the Newfoundlai
l<LMslature, to give effect to a treaty which had been ratified with her consent, n
would Canada ask her to do so after consenting to the ratification of the treaty. 1!
believed Mr. Blaine intended, when he accepted the wording of that paragraph, that
discrimination against Canada should be secured, and he misunderstood the Amerio
character if they would allow any changes to be made in the wording of the propoa
treaty, such as had been intimated by Mr. Bond.

Mr. Bond said that granting for the sake of argument Mr. Bowell's contention w

correct, l\ must be remembered that Newfoundland had given the most positij

Lranoes to the imperial government and to Canada of its willingness to take su

steps as might be deemed necessary to assure that there would be no discriminati«

against < ianadian products.

Sir William Whiteway repeated his question asked yesterday, whether, in t
event of Canadian negotiations with the United States proving futile, Canada wou
perBisI in her protest against the Bond-Blaine convention 1 He thought it eminently
desirable thai there should be a clear understanding upon this point, and therefore [•'
trusted that there might be a definite reply, for such reply might affect future action.lj

Sir John Thompson stated that under such circumstances as at present exist, it
probable that th« protest will be pressed, but that circumstances might arrive whi
would induce Canada to withdraw her objections. He referred to the manner in whij
Mr. P.laine had received the suggestion that the convention should, with some modi
cations, apply to Canada, and stated that, in the event" of such a proposition bei

Newfoundland and Canada.

iccepted by the United States government, Canada would, he thought, be disposed fco
relinquish ;ill opposition to the convention.

[n an answer to a question by Sir John Thompson, Mi-. Bond explained that the

term "Newfoundland waters" used in the convention, should have been the "produce
.f thf sail water fisheries of Newfoundland," wheresoever they mighl be. He had
isked for an amendment of Mr. Blaine's draft of the convention to make thai plain.

Sir John Thompson said that in that ease, the catch of Newfoundland fishermen <>n

: he coast of Canadian Labrador and on the Banks would be admit ted free by the [Jnited

States, while the catch of the Canadian fishermen at the same places and in the same

would be subject to duties. This discrimination in the United States markets

ig&inst Canadians was a serious matter, and required grave consideration.

Mr. Harvey referred to the discussion which had taken place and the explanations
given, and stated that to his mind the question was confined to the following objections
>n the part of Canada :

(1.) Canada fears a differential tariff.

(2.) Bait restrictions.

(3.) Canada insists that licenses shall be issued stipulating the privileges accorded
foreign fishermen.

(4.) Canada should have her fish free in the United States.

With reference to these he was prepared, with concurrence of the premier of New-
foundland, to give the following assurances :

(1.) That a satisfactory guarantee will be given by Newfoundland that no differ-
■ntial tariff will be enacted.

(2.) That the same guarantee will be accorded that the fishermen of Canada shall
tave, and continue to have the same rights and privileges as the fishermen of Newfound-
Mid.

(3.) That a system of licenses will be adopted, based on the system in practice under
he mndus vivendi.

There only remained the stipulation that Canada should have her fish free of duty
d the United States market, a matter which is entirely out of the power of Newfound-
ami to give.

W rith these assurances he asked the Canadian delegates whether they would not
• insider the propriety of relinquishing their protest against the convention.

Mr. Chapleau pointed out that the alleged concessions mentioned by Mr. Harvey
\cre enjoyed by Canada in common with Newfoundland previous to the irritation
irising from the present difficulty.

Mr. Bo well drew attention to the fact that there was no provision in the Newfound-
ind Customs Act to exempt Canadian fish from duty.

Mr. Harvey stated that Newfoundland had never treated fish taken in Canadian
iters as "foreign" fish, notwithstanding that Canada had treated Newfoundland fish
- foreign caught, and so taxed it, and by the clause in her tariff of 1885 had made
Newfoundland fish exactly the same as United States "foreign" fish.

MODUS VIVENDI LICENSE FEES.

Sir William Whiteway called attention to the fact that Canada had never made
pplication to the government of Newfoundland for a statement of the amount received
y that colony for licenses under the modus vivendi. He complained of the irregular
rocedure on the part of the minister of marine of Canada in applying to the honour-
Mr James Winter for official information, for which the government of Newfound-
tnd should have been applied to.

He noticed that Sir James Winter had written to the honourable Mr. Tupper to
ie effect that the government of Newfoundland had refused information as regards
hese licenses. From inquiries made he had learned that Sir James Winter was in error
i making such a statement. The information had not been asked for, much less re-
used, and this question of the division of license fees might have been settled had
pplication been made direct by the Dominion government to the government of New-
'inuUand, and friction upon this point avoided.

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Sessional Papers (No, 20d to 20f.)

A. 1893

BAIT QUESTION JOINT ACTION.

A discussion then ensued as to the proposal on the part of Newfoundland that
Canada should aid in protecting the bait fisheries of Newfoundland from depletion.

Sir William Whiteway pointed out that the attempt on the part of Newfoundland |
to protect her fishing interests against French bounty-fed competition had been greatly j
hampered :

(1.) By the infringement of the Bait Act by Canadian fishermen, and the want of
authority to prosecute offenders in the courts of Canada, and

(2.) By the fact that although the colony prohibited the sale of bait fishes to French]
fishermen, the latter were able to obtain a large amount of bait from the Canadian fish- J
ermen, who brought it, not only by smuggling from the Newfoundland coast, but also,
from the Magdalen Islands and other parts of the Dominion coasts.

Mr. Chapleau suggested that in view of the fact that Canada was just now endea-|
vouring to secure improved trade relations with France, the time was hardly opportune
to place restrictions upon her fishermen.

Mr. Bo well thought this question to be one for serious consideration, and asked the
Newfoundland delegates whether action, with a view to suppressing the sale of bait
French fishermen, would be of any particular benefit to Newfoundland.

Mr. Harvey assured the Canadian delegates that any action by the Canadian gov-
ernment in the line suggested, would be of immense benefit to Newfoundland and wouk
be greatly appreciated by her citizens. He desired to remind the Canadian delegat
that the question of concurrent action in this matter had been considered by the hon.fi
Mr. Howlan, who, he understood, had reported favourably upon it. The suggestion hf
also been conveyed to the Canadian government through their high commissioner in
London, as was shown in the published despatches. He desired also to add that New-|
foundland and Canada had each taken its respective course with regard to the treatment
of the United States fishermen, after the expiration of the Washington Treaty, without
consultation with the other.

Mr. Bowell said he was surprised to hear, that statement, as his recollection w*
that Newfoundland not only knew what was being done, but concurred in the arrai
ment, and arranged for a division of the fees collected. He would look into it and brim
up the question at a future meeting of the conference.

MODUS VIVENDI LICENSE FEES.

Mr. Bond said there would appear to be some misunderstanding as regards tin
returns of license fees collected by the respective governments from American fishermei
under the modus vivendi of 1888. It had been agreed between the governmc
Canada and Newfoundland that the fees so collected were to be equally divided. Tin!
Newfoundland customs department complained of the non-receipt of such returns, ;u
qo <li\ ision of fees had taken place. He was in a position to furnish the conference wil
a ict tut! of the fees collected by Newfoundland, and asked that the Canadian retiu
mighl be laid before the commission.

The question was allowed to stand.

NEWFOUNDLAND ASSURANCES.

Mr. Bowel] then asked (he Newfoundland delegates to state definitely their attitj
with regard t<. the assurances which had been given by their predecessors that the
vdsione of 'In' Bait Act should not apply to Canadian fishermen.

Sir William Whit cw ay stated that while he felt the lor'ce of the position, th|
succeeding government was obliged to cany out the engagements made by their pi
cessors, yel it must be remembered that the assurances referred to were not contains
a minute of the executive council of Newfoundland — they were never communicate
the legislature that there was no record of them — that the promises were made by
Robert ThoTburh, then premier, by Sir James Winter, then attorney-general, and
Sn Ambrose Shea, who was not, a member of the government — that the fact of si

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Newfoundland and ( Canada.

pfoniises having been made was only known t<» him (Sir William Whlteway) and his
o©lleagues long after they had come into office, and after a different policy had been
adopted. Ilnw could Mich a promise override an act and indicate who should or should
not be affected by it .' Although he made these remarks he admitted the force of the
Canadian position, that they had been induced to withdraw opposition bo the Bail Ad
lt\ t hese promises.

Mr. Bowel] said he was glad to hear the assurances given by Sir William, as any
gfcher course would destroy the continuity of any government. Without these assur-
feces it is not likely that Canada would have withdrawn her opposition to the sanction-
ing of tlit' act by her majesty's government, nor is it likely her majesty's sanction
would have been given to the act had Canada persisted in opposing it.

Conference adjourned until Friday at 10 o'clock.

W. Y. WHITEWAY, Chairman. M. BOWELL,
Et. BOND, J. A. CHAPLEAU,

A. W. HARVEY, JOHN S. D. THOMPSON,

DOUGLAS STEWART, Secretary

Halifax, 11th November. 1892.
Conference resumed 10.30 o'clock.

BAIT ACT JOINT ACTION.

Sir John Thompson continued the consideration of the desire expressed by New-
foundland that Canada should adopt legislation to aid in the enforcement of the New-
foundland Bait Act. He called Sir William Whiteway's attention to the doubt as to
the power to adopt legislation against offences committed outside of Canadian territory.
He intimated the willingness of the Canadian government to facilitate in any way pro-
ceedings for the penalties incurred in connection with bonds. The right to sue on such
bonds existed now, but it might be that further facilities could be afforded as to matters
of procedure.

Sir William Whiteway expressed great pleasure at the intimation given by Sir John
Thompson, admitted the doubt as to the validity of the legislation involving control out-
side of territorial waters, but said that what Newfoundland really required was the
power to prosecute in Canadian courts and to enforce the penalties of fine, imprisonment
and confiscation as though the proceedings were being had in the courts of Newfound-
I land.

DIVERSITY OF ACTION, 1886-8.

I Mr. Bowell called attention to a statement made by Mr. Harvey at a previous

meeting, that Canada had originated and carried into effect the modus Vivendi system of
; fishing licenses without in any wray consulting Newfoundland. He pointed out that, on
i the contrary, before the modus vivendi system wras adopted, the government of New-
foundland was consulted, as shown by public despatches which he quoted, and that the
government of Newfoundland had transmitted several suggestions as to details, some of
which were adopted by the Canadian government — notably that with reference to the
duration of the licenses.

Mr. Harvey explained that, in making the statement Mr. Bowell referred to, he
had reference to the action of the Canadian government, taken at the expiry of the
Washington Treaty.

Sir" John Thompson pointed out that the concession made by Canada at that time
was this : — The Washington treaty having expired during the fishing season, and the
president of the United States having given an assurance that he would bring the ques-
tion of the fisheries, by message, before congress at its next session, recommending a
commission to consider the whole subject, the Canadian government had thereupon with-

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 1893

held the enforcement of the provisions of the treaty of 1818, during the remainder off
that season only.

The United States having failed to act on the president's suggestion, the Canadians!
government made provision for a vigorous enforcement of the provisions of the treaty off'
1818. These provisions were enforced in Canadian waters from the beginning of the;
season of 1886 until the adoption of the modus vivendi which accompanied the treaty of j'
February, 1888.

Mr. Harvey stated that the policy pursued by the Newfoundland government be-i
tween the expiry of the Washington treaty and the adoption of the modus vivenqf
referred to, was one of suspense. No attempt was made by them to enforce the pro-i
vision of the treaty of 1818, and during the period referred to the United States
enjoyed all the privileges in Newfoundland ports and waters, which they had underj
the fishery articles of the treaty of Washington.

Mr. Chapleau pointed out that this exceptional conduct on the part of the govern-i
ment of Newfoundland, namely, the suspension of the provisions of the treaty of 1818,)
was really the first instance in which either country had undertaken to deal with fish-i
ery matters locally and separately from the other..

He referred to the complaint made by Mr. Harvey, that the interests of New-J
foundland had been sacrificed by the treaty of 1871, and expressed surprise that under!
such circumstances Newfoundland should have continued privileges of 'the treaty with-
out compensation for three years after its legal expiry.

ST. PIERRE CONSULATE.

Mr. Bowell brought to the attention of the conference the difficulty experienced!
by the customs department at Ottawa in protecting the gulf ports against smuggling,
owing to the facilities afforded by the proximity of St. Pierre as a basis for operations.
He asked the Newfoundland delegates whether they did not consider it advisable that
a joint application should be made by the two governments to the imperial authorities!
with a view to the appointment of a British consul at St. Pierre.

Sir William W'hiteaway stated that the Newfoundland government had usedj
every possible endeavour to secure the appointment of a consul there, but that their
application had not been successful. On behalf of his government, he would state that;
they would gladly acquiesce in Mr. Bowell's suggestion.

Whereupon it was agreed, that a joint application should be made to the imperial
government urging the appointment of a British consul and assistant consul at St.
Pierre, the former to be paid by Canada and the latter by Newfoundland.

BAIT ACT JOINT ACTION.

Sir William Whiteway referred to the promise and assurance of his predecessors
with reference to the Bait Act, and asked the Canadian delegates to state what actionj
they woe prepared to take with a view to the successful enforcement of the act. Hej
pointed out the fact that the successful operation of the act would be alike a benefit
to Canada and to Newfoundland, inasmuch as experience had shown that it would'
reduce the catch of the French fishermen, and thereby leave a larger market open to'
the fishermen of the British provinces.

Sir John Thompson said they were not prepared to give any further assurancei
than that ( lanada would enact legislation to the extent of her power to do so, to enforce;
penalties of bonds executed under the Bait Act, in order to prevent violation of the
ac1 by Canadian fisher n.

Sir William Whiteway asked if Canada would pass a Bait Act similar to the New-
foundland Act.

Sir .John Thompson could not give an answer to that question without submitting
t In- matter t<» Ins colleagues.

Mr. Harvey referred to the difficulties attending the enforcement of the act,!
especially of securing <-\ Ldence to convict parties who had violated its provisions. He
also quoted statistics which showed that the act had been, to a certain extent, success-

Newfoundland and ( lanada.

il, having during the term of its operation resulted in reducing the catch by French

shermen to t lie extent of 50 per cent. He was willing to admit thai this was nol

bolly due to the enforcement of the Bail Act, but was nevertheless largely the result

Another good effect, principally attributable to the act, was the fact that the

of Newfoundland tish had gone up from 12 shillings to 15 shillings during the

eriod of its enforcement. The year before the Bait Act was passed, a great deal of

sh was sold in Newfoundland at 5 shillings per quintal, and many whole cargoes were

n overboard in the Mediterranean. He pointed out that the evil effects of the

Vench bounty system were not confined to Newfoundland. Thai Nova Scotia fisher-

icii also sutler from the policy of granting bounties to French fishermen. As an illus-

ration, Nova Scotia fishermen from the Banks, and French fishermen arriving in

lalit'ax with cargoes, at the same time, would reap very different results.

The Nova Scotia fishermen would probably receive at the rate of $3.50 per quintal,
The French fishermen would receive the same price, and in addition would secure from
he French government $2.40, or in round figures, $6 per quintal.

Mr. Chapleau inquired whether, as a matter of fact, Nova Scotia fishermen
applied bait to any extent to the French.

Mr. Harvey stated that the supply by Nova Scotia fishermen undoubtedly did much
0 render nugatory the provisions of the act. Not only was this the case, but American
Labermen also, availing themselves of the Canadian licenses, procured cargoes of bait at
ape Breton and the Magdalen Islands, which was supplied to the French thereby
aabling French fishermen to evade the Bait Act. If Canada passed no Bait Act to
'•strain her fishermen from supplying bait taken in Canadian waters to the French at
>t. Pierre, and had free access to Newfoundland supplies of bait, the consequence would
be that the Canadians would supply St. Pierre so far as the supply would suffice from
Magdalen Islands and Cape Breton, and the Canadian banking fleet would go to
Newfoundland for bait for their own use, and thus largely frustrate the object aimed
it by the Newfoundland Bait Act. Nothing would fully secure that object except a
Bait Bill applying to bait taken in Canadian waters as well as in Newfoundland waters.
In reply to a question put by Sir John Thompson, Mr. Harvey stated the fact that an
agent of the Newfoundland government, who visited St. Pierre, had reported that two
vessels laden with bait were at that port supplying the French with 2,000 barrels of
bait. One of these was an American vessel under license from the Canadian govern-
ment, the other was a Nova Scotia vessel, both from Magdalen Islands. This was but
one instance, but it clearly illustrated the practice which was being carried on to the
detriment of Newfoundland. It was not easy to get Newfoundland fishermen to give
evidence of the Nova Scotians supplying bait at St. Pierre, because the fact of New-
foundland fishermen being in St. Pierre at the same time was prima facie evidence of
theii having themselves violated the law.

Sir William Whiteway did not dispute the right of Canada to remonstrate against
the loyal assent being given to any act which she might consider detrimental to her
interests. He contended, however, that the protest made by Canada was made under
the mistaken supposition that the act would be prejudicial. He referred to the state-
ments set forth by his colleague, Mr. Harvey, and to the assurances and explanations
which had been given during the progress of the conference, and asked the Canadian
delegates whether, in view of these assurances, they did not consider that they should
waive the exaction of the promise made by the late government of Newfoundland, and
also withdraw their protest against the completion of the Bond-Blaine convention.

Sir John Thompson called attention to the fact, that the question of the bait supply
to Canadian fishermen and that relating to the Bond-Blaine convention were two
distinct matters. The grievance of Canada with regard to bait had been temporarily
removed, but he would like to be assured as to the action of the government of New-
foundland in the future.

Mr. Bond stated that there was a difficulty in giving any assurance. When the
act was under consideration by the assembly, he had asked the question of the
government of that day, whether it was intended that the act should apply to Canadian

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 18S

fishermen. Sir James Winter, then attorney-general, from his place in the house, gal.i
the most distinct and positive assurance that the act was intended to apply to Canadia
as well as French and American fishermen. That was a matter of record. It appear
by correspondence which the Canadian representatives had tabled, that Sir James Wintr
had also given the imperial and Canadian governments the most positive assuranl
that the Bait Act should not apply to Canadian fishermen (as had Sir Robert Thorbuij
the then premier, who was at the time in London), but there was no evidence that til
promise was made with the concurrence of the executive council of Newfoundland. 2
a matter of fact, there was no minute indicating that the matter had ever been brougl
before that council. The legislature, which was in session when the assurance wj
given, was not acquainted of the fact, and the present legislature, with those fac
before them, had decided that the undertaking of Sir James Winter and Sir Robe
Thorburn was in no way binding upon them as a legislature, and had declared that tl
act should be enforced against Canadian fishermen. Under these circumstances,
would be appreciated how difficult it was for the delegates to give the assurance asked f<

Sir John Thompson pointed out that the royal assent was given on the assurainj
that the provisions of the act would not be enforced against Canada, and that tli
government of Newfoundland could not take the benefit of the royal assent withoi
assuming the obligations attached to it and on which that assent was given. H
pointed out reasons why he thought Canadian fishermen should be put on the san
footing as those of Newfoundland.

(I.) The assurance given by Newfoundland in order to secure the royal assent.

(2.) The spirit of comity which should exist between the colonies.

(3.) The doubt which existed in view of the opinion of the law officers of tlj
crown as to the right of the government of Newfoundland to impose exceptional trea,
ment on Canadian fishermen.

Sir William Whiteway — Are you willing to carry out any legislation which ma
be constitutional with a view to assist in carrying out the Bait Act?

Sir John Thompson — We are willing to adopt any legislation which may 1
constitutional to prevent our fishermen from violating your Bait Act after obtainiq
your bait.

Sir William Whiteway — Would it be proper to state to what extent legislatio
would be granted ?

Sir John Thompson stated that to do so would involve a careful consideration (
the legal question which he had before referred to.

Whereupon it was agreed that the question of the extent to which aid might legal]
be given should be fully considered by Sir William Whiteway, Sir John Thompson an
Mr. Chapleau, with a view to ascertaining what might properly be done.

BOND-BLAINE CONVENTION.

Adverting to the Bond-Blaine convention, Sir William Whiteway asked if th
Newfoundland delegates were to understand that all that the Canadian delegate}
required was that time should be given with a view to some satisfactory arrangemei
of a similar kind between the United States and Canada, and that in the event of sue
proving unsuccessful Canada would be prepared to withdraw all opposition to the cod
summation of the Bond Blaine convention.

Sir John Thompson stated that Canada could not be expected to waive her rigbj
to appeal bo her majesty's government against the completion of any convention prejd
dicial to her inter,

Sir \\ illiain Whiteway said that the immediate issue would seem to be : " WoulJ
the convention be detrimental to Canadian interests ? "—and he thought that it haj
been clearly shbwn thai the convention would not prove detrimental to the interest!
0* Canada, inasmuch as the diversion of the Newfoundland fish trade into a nevj
channel would leave the markel formerly supplied by that trade open to be supplied bj
( 'anada.

Mr.

Newfoundland and Canada.

Mr. Chapleau stated that the reason given by Mr. Bond for the negotiation of the
invention was, in effect, that no other profitable markets were available. Such being
e, Canadian fishermen would not profit greatly by assuming the privilege of sup-
lying markets which it would, from his statement, appear did not exist.

Mr. Harvey contended that the effect of the convention would be to the advan-
Lge of the fishermen of Newfoundland and Canada, and to the disadvantage of the
shermen of the United States. As regards the herring trade especially, Newfound-
md fishermen would take the place of American fishermen and supply the American
larket, thus leaving Canadian fishermen free from the competition which they had
itherto experienced in attempting to cope with the fishermen of Newfoundland.

With reference to cod oil, he contended that the large production of Newfound-
.iid would be directed, to a very great extent, to the American market, where it would
Bplace pogy oil, which is now being used in immense quantities in tanning and other
nlustries. His mercantile experience led him to believe that the withdrawal of this
roduct from the markets of Great Britain would increase the price in those markets at
mst 10 per cent. This would undoubtedly be to the advantage of Canadian fishermen.

As to codfish, the Newfoundland production would supplant the American catch,
tasmuch as the Americans were not able to compete with Newfoundland fishermen on
ijiial terms, and the withdrawal from other markets of a large portion of codfish hithei t<»
applied by Newfoundland must necessarily raise the price in these markets.

He did not contend that the two countries wrould be equally benefited, but by way
! comparison, he estimated that if Newfoundland should be benefited to an extent
qual to 50 per cent, Canada would be benefited to at least 15 per cent. To impress
poii the conference the sincerity of this view he cited his opinion as expressed in a
qnfidential memorandum which he had presented to Lord Knutsford, and which had
advertently obtained publication.

Mr. Bowell expressed the opinion that the effect of the proposed convention would
e that Newfoundland would have a monopoly of the American market at the expense
f Canada. At present Canada and Newfoundland were competing on equal terms, but
nder the proposed convention, Newfoundland fish would enter the United States free,
hile Canada continued to pay a heavy duty. He combattecl the statement that the
hole of the fish trade of Newfoundland would be diverted to the United States. They
■duld still supply other existing markets and have the advantage of free entry to the
Fnited States for their surplus jDroducts, while Canadians would, be handicapped by a
leavy tax.

Mr. Harvey appealed to the Canadian delegates to consider whether they were jus-
ified in preventing Newfoundland from availing herself of a market which was found
o be open to her, simply because it was believed that Canada should participate. He
miniated that each year's delay involved a loss to the people of Newfoundland of hun-
of thousands of dollars. The loss to the traders would aggregate annually a very
irge sum, while the fishermen would suffer to double the extent of the trader.

Sir John Thompson stated that he considered the position to be thus : Canada and
Newfoundland now share the American market. By the adoption of the convention, it
proposed that Newfoundland should share it with the United States, and Canada be
hut out.

Sir John Thompson stated that, if it be agreeable to the Newfoundland delegates,
e and his colleagues would, at the next session of the conference, submit a proposition
writing with reference to the matters under discussion.

Agreed to.

LABRADOR BOUNDARY.

^\ ith reference to the Labrador boundary, Mr. Bowell stated that, since the ques-
ion had been last discussed, he had received a telegram from the privy council office of
•ttaw a, stating that, although it had been recommended to Council that the map asked
or by the government of Newfoundland should be transmitted, the recommendation
tad not been approved, inasmuch as it was considered that the map was imperfect, and
hat its formal transmission might therefore be misleading.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 189'

Mr. Harvey expressed the opinion that the map referred to was a very satisfactoH
one, except that he should insist that Melville Bay should be under the exclusive cu;!
toms control of Newfoundland.

Mr. Chapleau pointed out that the delimitation, as shown on the map referred t<|
gave a considerable portion of the coast of Melville Bay to Canada, and that the contra
of the coast would naturally involve the control of the waters adjacent thereto.

Mr. Bowell called attention to the fact that, although the Hudson's Bay post ai
North-west river might by this delimitation be located in the territory of Newfoundlanc.
vet it was probable that a large portion of the goods landed there would be intended fd
consumption on the Canadian side of the border.

Sir John Thompson suggested that the Newfoundland government should appoiB
a geographer to act jointly with the geographer of the department of the interior;!
Ottawa in tracing up all available data, and to report the results of their examination t
their respective governments.

Sir John Thompson's suggestion was agreed to.

PRIVILEGES TO UNITED STATES FISHERMEN.

Sir William Whiteway called attention to a correspondence between the Hon. C. H
Tapper and Sir James S. Winter, dated 2nd and 19th December, 1891, and 2nd an,
9th January, 1892, published in the Canadian Blue-book, relative to an alleged permi
sion on the part of the government of Newfoundland to United States fishermen to fig
in Newfoundland waters, from which it would appear that Sir James Winter had ii.
formed the Hon. Mr. Tupper that " Recent developments had furnished good reason f<
concluding, not only that such permission has been granted, but that it has been doi
in such a way as to assist the Americans in defrauding their own revenue, in workin
injustice (or at least inequality) as between Americans themselves, and an injury ij
our fishermen."

Sir William Whiteway desired to say that such statement was entirely incorrect. '

MODUS VIVENDI LICENSE FEES.

Mr. Chapleau called the attention of Sir William Whiteway to the fact thathewjj
mistaken in supposing that the request for a statement of the amount collected fd
license fees had not been made to the Newfoundland government.

Among the published despatches was the following : —

" 16th October, 1888.
" Bon. M. Fbnelon, Colonial Secretary, St. John's, Nnd.

•• Please send me list of modus vivendi licenses issued to date, and say what prj
portion of the total United States fishing vessels visiting Newfoundland took license,1

"C. H. TUPPER,
" Minister of Marine and Fisheries. '

Mr. Bond submitted a statement of the license fees collected by Newfoundlai
under tin- modus vivt ndi arrangement, as follows : —

In L888, the collections from American tishing vessels amounted to $8,089.50.

In L889 collections from American fishing vessels amounted to $6,740.75.

A.a bo i li«' collections in L890, he explained that the books of the department, co
taining the requisite details, had been destroyed in the recent fire, and that he a\
therefore unable t<> give the exact amount collected from American fishing vessels. Tl
blue book, however, showed that the aggregate collections for licenses granted to Frenc
Canadian and American tishing vessels during 1890 amounted to $20,912.99.

Sir William Whiteway was under the impression that he had in his office the infcj
tnation uecessary t" complete the statement, his recollection being that he obtained
from the customs department previous to. the fire.

Newfoundland and Canada.

It was agreed that the statements as to the collections made by each country for

tecs should be officially transmitted to the other, and that the aggregate should
divided equally.

PISH INSPECTION.

Sir .John Thompson inquired whether Newfoundland intended to improve her

of fish inspection.
Sir William Whiteway explained that their statute on the subject was based on the
' oadian act ; that for some time previous to his assuming office in 1889 the act had
en enforced, he understood, by his predecessors, but that his government had
a ted an inspector, and taken the necessary steps to enforce the law rigidly.
Conference adjourned until Saturday, at 1 1 o'clock.

W. V. WHITEWAY, Cha irman. M. BOWELL,
R. BOND, J. A. CHAPLEAU,

A. W. HARVEY, JOHN S. D. THOMPSON.

DOUGLAS STEWART, Secretary.

Halifax, 12th November, 1892.
Conference resumed at 3 o'clock (no morning session).

TREATMENT OF FISHERMEN.

Mr. Bowell asked leave to file a statement with reference to the treatment accorded

uadian fishermen by Newfoundland as compared with the treatment of Newfoundland

bermen by Canada. He explained that he did not desire to submit this as a grievance,

much as by way of illustration of the liberality accorded to Newfoundland fishermen

the government of Canada.

Leave having been granted he submitted the following memo. :

Canadian Treatment of Newfoundland Newfoundland Treatment of Canadian

Fishermen. Fishermen .

.Newfoundland fishermen were accorded full 1 & 2. They were compelled to pay license fees of

vileges of the inshore fisheries concurrently with $1 per ton, and give bonds before they were allowed

nadians. to procure bait to carry on their fishing operations:

No restrictions whatever were placed upon their (minute of council, 24th April, 1890) and subse-

rations. quently they were refused bait under any circum-

i They were exempt from light dues. stances, being refused licenses under the Bait Act

I They were exempt from harbour dues. (instructions, 1891). They were prevented from

They were exempt from pilotage dues. catching or purchasing bait. And finally, by a strict

were afforded all port privileges. interpretation of the term "bait fishes," their traffic

". Canada built and maintained free of all charges in frozen herring for commercial purposes was en-

on shipping, lights and fog signals on the coast of tirely stopped. (Case " Ocean Belle/'

wfoundland. 3. They were compelled to pay light dues. (Min-

Canada did not exact similar duties. utes of council, 29th May, 1890.)

l."'< [id Newfoundlanders annually operate on the 4. They were compelled to pay harbour dues.

Canadian Labrador without restrictions. (Minutes of council, 29th May, 1890.)

'mniamler Wakeham, 15th February, 1892.) 5. They were compelled to pay pilotage dues.

(Minutes of council, 29th May, 1890.)

6. Fishing vessels were entirely excluded from any
privileges.

7. Newfoundland imposed light dues on Canadian
vessels for the lights which had been built and main-
tained by Canada. (Memo, by Commander Wake-
ham, 9th Nov., 1892, and report 15th Feb., 1892.)

8. On the coast of Labrador, Newfoundland ex-
acted duties from Canadians on barrels and salt used
for their fishing operations, and, in many instances,
where the articles were not used through failure of
catch, duty was, the following year, levied on the
same articles. (Quebec board of trade, 30th Octo-
ber, 1889.)

9. 112 Canadians in nine vessels fished on New-
foundland Labrador, 1891.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 181

Mr. Bowell said he thought it well to call the attention of the Newfoundland d

un-

gates to the comparison shown by No. 7 of the precis just submitted, inasmuch
seemed rather extraordinary that the Newfoundland government should impose lis
dues on Canadian vessels for lights on their coast which had been erected and wc
maintained by Canada. In elaboration of this he begged to submit the followi
extracts from reports made to the department of fisheries by Commander Wakeham
the Canadian fisheries protection service.

The first extract is from a report dated loth February, 1892, as follows : —

" These vessels had to pay duty on passing the line at Blanc Sablon on the sj
and barrels which they had on board for curing their fish. I called on the Newfoui
land collector at Blanc Sablon, and he informed me that his orders were to collect dut
as usual on all salt and barrels on all Canadian fishing vessels passing to the eastwa;
For at least ten years back some of our vessels have had to pay these duties. At c
time they even made our vessels pay light dues, though all the lights on the west co;
and on both sides of the straits were built and are maintained by your department."

The second extract is a memorandum dated 9th November, 1892, as follows : —

" The lights in the straits of Belle Isle and at Rich Point and Cape Ray, on t
wesi coast of Newfoundland were built and are maintained by Canada. It is a n
that Canadian fishing vessels were compelled to pay light dues. I, myself, crossed
' La Canadienne ' to Flowers Cove, and complained to the collector of customs at tl
port of this practice, which was eventually given up. The government of Newfoui
land maintains no light on the coast in question (French shore)."

Mr. Bowell said that, in submitting this data, he did so with a view to elicit fr<
the Newfoundland delegates any explanations or comments which they might desire
make, in order that it might go upon the records before the conference concluded.

Mr. Harvey explained that as regards light dues, the system was universa
applied by Newfoundland, being applicable to their own vessels as well as to all othe
He referred to the fact that Newfoundland was peculiarly situated on the line of c<\|
merce between Canada and Europe, and that her extensive coast made it necessary tl
she should, for the benefit of commerce generally, maintain an efficient light servi
The great cost of erection and maintenance of these lights made it necessary that tj
system of light dues should be maintained and continued. While it was true that th
lights were necessary for the protection of Newfoundland commerce, it was equally til
that the benefits accruing to Canadian commerce were ten times greater. He point
out that the lights erected and maintained on the Newfoundland coast by the Canadii
government were on a portion of the coast little frequented by Newfoundland vess<|
and were essentially beneficial to Canadian vessels. He deemed it impracticable
adopl any system by which exceptional treatment might be afforded Canadian vess
in the vicinity of Canadian lights, inasmuch as vessels in paying dues contributed to
general fund for the support of lights on the whole coast, and no system could
(lc\ ised or successfully operated on any other principle.

Mr. Bowell had no doubt that the explanation of Mr. Harvey was correct, as to '
causes which led to the exaction from Canadian vessels of lighthouse dues. Still, it M
a question which should receive the attention and consideration of the Newfoundlaj
governmenl with a view to relieving such vessels of the tax.

UNION.

Mi. Bowell would, with the consent of the conference (though the subject had
been specially relegated to them by the government of Canada), ask the attention
the delegates presenl to the greater question involved in the project of the entrance
Newfoundland into the Dominion as a province of Canada. In applying the tt
" greater question," he did so advisedly, believing that union was the true solution
all the questions and difficulties which had been brought before this conference.
was aware of the diversity of opinion which existed both in Canada and in Ncwfou
land, as to the practicability and desirability of such a union, but he believed that
great prosperity and success which British North America had achieved under confedt;

Newfoundland and ( Janada.

i. would he enhanced to a still greater decree by the unity of action, increased powe r
stige which would result from a union of all the British North American pro-
Bees. He referred to the vexed questions which the conference had been discussing

inU the past few days, all of which, he submitted, would disappear as a shadow if the
(Countries resolved to unite their interests and adopt uniform legislation which would
I in the interests of all concerned.

It might he said that this solution, although desirable, was not one for presejnt

ration, but he submitted that it was the general belief in both count lies that such

I nion must sooner or later be consummated. He admitted the diversity of opinion as

i- immediate completion, but he felt satisfied that he voiced public feeling in Canada

^tatinu that the matter was only one of time, without any doubt as to what the result

Juki he.

The question was one which concerned not only the contracting parties, but was, in
I ..pinion, of the greatest possible moment to the imperial government. The friction
J ich had existed between Canada and Newfoundland, from time to time, and which
med almost inevitable to countries competing for the same markets in products nearly
Intical, led to protests and counter-protests which formed the most vexed questions
J:h which the colonial office had to deal. He considered the union of the British
jirth American dependencies not only of vital importance to the peace and welfare of
■ people of Canada and Newfoundland, but to a great extent an imperial necessity.

There were many reasons why Canada should treat .this subject favourably, and he

night that there were reasons still greater why it should meet with the approval of

iwfoundland, as the advantages to be derived equally by both were of themselves of

amount importance. The united action consequent upon such a union would enable

eat with the United States more advantageously, while the greater Canada which

juld then be established must necessarily command greater respect, both from the

Iperial government and other governments with which it might have to deal, commer-

lly or otherwise. He would ask the delegates to consider for a moment the more

e, and less expensive, protective service which would be afforded to the fisheries

both countries if present misunderstandings and competition were removed ; and he

Iced the Newfoundland delegates to consider whether as an important portion of Canada,

y would not feel greater strength and confidence in facing the vexed question of

French rights on their shores.

As to whether this question should be considered by this conference, was a matter

the delegates to say. For his part, he could not allow the opportunity to pass with-

t bringing it to their attention, and expressing the hope that ere long the British

pendencies on this continent which, but a few years ago, were scattered and isolated,

I which by degrees had been growing more closely together, would become a happy,

osperous and united power. He did not propose that they should enter into a

nsideration of the minute details of the terms of union at the present conference.

pat might be made a subject for future negotiations, should they agree to bring the

bject under the notice of their respective governments for action. In the meantime,

!■ believed the present meeting to be a fitting opportunity to consider the subject in a

endly way. It was of sufficient importance to occupy the minds of the best men in

th Canada and Newfoundland, and should not, therefore, be lost sight of when

•ling questions materially affecting the interests of both countries.

Sir William Whiteway was glad that the subject had been mentioned. It was not

e of those relegated to the Newfoundland delegates as a part of their mission, but he

w no reason why the representatives of the two countries stiould not discuss the

fficulties and advantages which would accrue to • British North America by the com-

etion of the union. His views, personally, on this question were well known. He

(1 always been in favour of confederation, and viewed it as entirely one of terms. If

w ere considered improper to formally discuss the matter he could see no harm in the

.est ion being considered informally, with a view to bringing out the views of the

legates representing the two governments.

Mr. Harvey strongly objected to the question being brought before the conference
ifore the decision of matters, especially referred to it, had been concluded. He said

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 18!

that the Newfoundland delegates were here with definite instructions to discuss cert;
questions and that the union of the two countries was not among those questions. I
union was the ultimate destiny of Newfoundland, as many believed, he was o^_
impression that it would not be a practical question for many years to come. In otl
words, confederation was a question of the future : the delegates were here to deal wi
present issues. The questions which they had come here to discuss were matters deej
affecting the present interests of the island, and he thought it would be a great mista
to take up the moot question of a union, at least before definite decisions had be
come to as to what could, or could not, be done regarding those questions which h
been relegated for the consideration of the conference.

►Sir John Thompson said that in so far as the Canadian delegates were concern
they were here to discuss any questions pending between the two countries. It h
been suggested in the press of Canada, and he thought that it was generally unders
by the public, that union would form one of the questions for the consideration of
conference. He could not conceive any reason why it should not be dealt with
solution of all pending difficulties, and in his opinion no more pertinent question co
possibly engage the attention of the conference. As to the subjects which should
considered at this meeting, the Canadian delegates had no intimation that the questi
of the Bond-Blaine convention, which had absorbed such a large portion of the time
the conference, was one which would come up, any more than this question. He
not object to the consideration of the convention, however, and did not wish it to
supposed that the reference to union had been made in order to evade a conclusion
any other question.

In like manner he could not conceive why Mr. Harvey should object to t
discussion of a question which involved such great interests when considered
connection with the future of British North America.

Mr. Chapleau thought that the question of union might be of paramount impoi
ance, and that even admitting Mr. Harvey's statement that the instructions tot
Newfoundland delegates did not include this matter specifically, yet he could concei
the question coming before the conference as a solution of the questions directly und
discussion. In that connection he would ask Sir William Whiteway whether t
imperial government had lately shown any disposition to settle the French sho
difficulty, which he conceived to be the greatest difficulty in the way of considering t
question of union.

Sir William Whiteway thought that the imperial government had every dispositk
to arrange an amicable solution of the dispute, but that the French government had n
*-\ idenced such a disposition in that direction as he would desire. The question involv
not only the French rights on the coast, but also the more aggravating fact that tl
French and others used St. Pierre and Miquelon as a basis of operations for smugglii
and fishing, and not as a place of shelter only for French vessels fishing on the Banks.

PROPOSAL "A."

Mr. Bowellj on behalf of the Canadian delegates, handed in a formal proposal, (,
Appendix 5.)

Conference adjourned until Monday, at 3 o'clock.

W. V. WHITEWAY, Clmirman. M. BOWELL,

I! BOND, J. A. CHAPLEAU,

A W. HARVEY, JOHN S. D. THOMPSO

DOUGLAS STEWART, Secretary,

Conference resumed at :\ o'clock. Halifax, 14th November, 1892.

PROPOSAL " B."

Sir William Whiteway, on in-half of the Newfoundland delegates, handed
counter proposal " B." (Set Appendix G.)

proposal "c."
air. Bowell, on behalf of the Canadian delegates, handed in counter-proposal

'>" Appendix 7.)

Newfoundland and Canada.

LIGHTH01 8ES.

Mi-. Bond handed in a statement showing the amount paid by Newfoundland for
e maintenance of lights for year 1892, as follows: —

Newfoundland Lights.

Estimate for Maintenance for the year 1892.

Gull Island, Cape John $1,840

Long Point, Twillingate 1,250

Twillingate Wharf Light 120

Cann Island, Seldom-come-by 700

Offer Wadham Island 3,400

Penguin Island 800

Cabot Island, Bonavista Bay 1,500

Puffin Island, Greenspond 900

Little Denier 800

Cape Bonavista 2,000

Green Island, Catalina 2,000

Fort Point, Trinity 220

Hants Harbour, Trinity Bay 220

Baccalieu Island ' 3,900

Carbonear Island 800

Harbour Grace Island 1,450

Harbour Grace Beacon • 450

Bay Roberts (Green) Point 230

Brigus, North Head 650

Cape St. Francis 3,500

Fort Amherst 1,800

St. John's Leading Lights 300

Cape Spear 2,700

Ferryland Head 1,700

Buoy, Powles' Trepassey 300

Cape Pine 2,000

Point La Haye, St. Mary's 250

Cape St. Mary's 2,100

Point Verde, Placentia 750

Dodding Head, Burin 1,500

Allan Island, Lamaline 250

Grand Bank 200

Brunette Island, Fortune Bay 1,650

Garnish, Fortune Bay 200

Belloram, Fortune Bay 300

Rocky Point, Harbour Breton 220

Pass Island, Hermitage Bay 850

Gaultois, Hermitage Bay 220

Boar Island, Burgeo 700

Ireland Island, La Poile Bay 800

Rose Blanche Point 800

Channel Head, Port au Basque 650

Sandy Point, Bay St. George 400

Mechanician, salary and travelling expenses 900

Contingencies 400

Alteration in lamps (seal to kerosene oil) 2,000

850,670

RICHARD H. O'DWYER,

Receiver-General.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 20d tQ 20f/

A. 1895

LICENSE FEES.

Mr. Bond also handed in the following return of Canadian vessels which had been
supplied with licenses to take bait during 1890, and desired to say that the receiver-
general had intimated to him that owing to the customs books being destroyed in the
late fire he could not vouch for the absolute correctness of the returns : —

Return of Canadian Vessels which have been supplied with licenses to take bait, 1890.

Place.

Cape Broyle

Burin

Trepassey

Sandy Point

Channel

Rose Blanche . .

St. Jacques

Belloram

St. Mary's

St. Lawrence. . . .
Heart's Content.
Portugal Cove. ,

Placentia

Carbon ear

Holyrood

Ferry land. ... .

123

Number

Tonnage.

Vessels.

Crew.

3,128

552

240

• 8

778

128

399

889

160

1,091

184

547

287

346

410

2,979

506

733

136

391

12,429

2,065

Number of

Visits

made during

season.

239

MODUS VIVENDI LICENSE FEES.

Mr. Bowell handed in the following memorandum with regard to the modus
vivendi license fees, and stated that he did so in order that the precise facts, so far as
the action of Canada is concerned, might appear on the records of the proceedings of
this conference :

MEMORANDUM.

The mutual recognition of licenses issued to the United States fishing vessels by
the respective governments of Newfoundland and Canada was recommended, as well asj
;m equal division of the fees respectively collected.

The government of Newfoundland suggested that all annual licenses should expire
on the 31st December in each year.

Canada agreed to the suggestion of the Newfoundland government, and the gov-
ernor ot' Newfoundland acquainted the governor-general of Canada that his govern-;
iinnt would recognize the validity of all Canadian licenses. (Minute of council, 15th
Sept., L888.)

\ the information of the issue of licenses reached the department of fisheries,!
copies of the licenses were forwarded to the colonial secretary of Newfoundland, and a
request was made that, a list of licenses issued by Newfoundland should be furnished
in ret urn.

The fisheries department continued sending this information to the Newfoundland
government well on into tl*> season of 1889, but the request for reciprocal information
not having been complied with, the practice was discontinued.

The minister of marine and fisheries oh the 16th October, 1$88, telegraphed the
colonial secretary of Newfoundland in the following words : —

Newfoundland and ( Janada.

" Please send me list of modus vivendi Licenses issued bo date and say wlmi pro
portion of total United States fishing vessels visiting Newfoundland book licen i

This request has not yet been complied with.

Finally, in 1891, the high commissioner for Canada cabled the minister of marine
and fisheries to ask Sir .lames Winter for the number of such lie. -uses Issued for
different years.

The following reply was received: —

" Unable to procure information you ask immediately. Go vernment forbid officials
furnish.'5

The modus vivendi licenses issued by the Canadian government were as follows : —

Fear.

No. of Vessels.

Tonnage.

Fees collected.

119

2,554
6,393
9,641

7,399

$ cts.
3,831 00

ISS'.I

1890

9,589 50

14,4(51 50

i^.'l

11,098 50

The reciprocal issue of licenses by Newfoundland, however, continued only during
the years 1888 and 1889.

In 1890, Newfoundland exacted from Canadian fishing vessels license fees, the
total amount of which is only known to that government, but the department of
marine and fisheries is in possession of detailed information that fees were paid by
US Canadian fishing vessels aggregating $5,780.38. Other vessels are known to have
paid similar fees but definite information is not yet available.

REFUND OF FEES.

Sir William Whiteway drew attention to the subject of the suits now pending in
the courts of Newfoundland, to enforce a refund of the license fees paid by Canadian
vessels. He said that while it was intimated in the formal proposal of the Canadian
government (" C ") that that government had not power to withdraw these suits, it
seemed to be clearly shown in the despatches published that these suits were completely
under their control, either as regards prosecution, suspension or withdrawal. From
reports and letters of the minister of marine, it appeared that these claims were
collected by the Canadian Government through the medium of a public notice. He
would beg to call attention to the following : —

" Department of Fisheries,

"Ottawa, 22nd January, 1892.
" The Collector of Customs at .

"Sir, — The honourable the minister of marine and fisheries being advised that
the exaction by the Newfoundland government from Canadian fishermen, of fees for
licenses to purchase bait during the year 1890 was illegal, intends to take steps to
er them for the fishermen. •

11 1 inclose you herewith a supply of forms which are to be filled up with the neces-
sary information to enable action for recovery of the fees.

"You will please distribute these forms among any parties, who to your knowledge
nay have paid such fees, or to deliver to parties applying to you for them in accordance
with the notice published in the newspapers.

" I am, sir, your obedient servant,

" S. P. BAUSET,
"Acting Deputy- Minister of Fisheries.'''
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.) A. 1893

"NOTICE TO BANK FISHERMEN.

" Department of Fisheries,

" Ottawa, 25th January, 1892.

" The undersigned has been advised that the exaction of license fees from Canadian)
fishermen by the government of Newfoundland during the fishing season of 1890 was,
illegal, and he intends to take such proceedings as are available to obtain redress on i
their behalf. For this purpose he respectfully requests that the owners or masters of
all fishing vessels from whom license fees have been collected would place themselves in
immediate communication with the nearest collector of customs and give him such full)
particulars of the matter as they can.

" CHARLES H. TUPPER,
" Minister of Marine and Fisheries."

" Ottawa, 27th January, 1892.

" Sir, — I herewith send you a form for the purpose of obtaining a statement of the
amount of the fees, etc., you paid to the Newfoundland government during the year
1890, for licenses to purchase bait, &c, for your fishing vessel, and I have to request you
to be good enough to fill up this form and sign the authority printed on the back of the
same.

" The honourable the minister of marine and fisheries being advised that the
exaction of fees in question was illegal, intends to take steps to recover them back for
the fishermen.

" I am, sir, your obedient servant,

"S. P. BAUSET,
" Acting Deputy-Minister of Fisheries."

It was, therefore, evident that the suits were not in consequence of the complaint*
of the fishermen, but as a result of the invitation issued by the department.

Sir John Thompson explained that the government held themselves responsible foi
the procedure. Very great pressure had been brought to bear upon the government h\
the injured fishermen (as would appear by reference to the documents now on the table)
both through the medium of direct communication, repeated telegrams, and the indirect
pressure brought to bear through the members for their respective constituencies
While Sir William Whiteway was quite correct in his statement that the Dominioi
government had complete control of the suits now pending, it was equally correct thai
the withdrawal of these suits would not cancel the individual right of the injured fisher
imii i<. inter suits on their own behalf.

Mr. Ohapleau, in support of the remarks of Sir John Thompson, quoted from th(
report of Lieut. Gordon, of the 3rd December, 1890, asking that the government oi
( !anada should take up the case of the fishermen, in the following words : —

"The man is only a poor fisherman, and is not able to take the necessary legp
steps to defend his own rights or recover damages, and as he apparently endeavoured it
every particular to comply with the local laws, his case is one which, I think, the gov
eminent may fairly take up in the general interests of our fishermen, for this is not ai
isolated case, and there is a \w\ strong feeling among the fishermen on our coasts tha
Newfoundlanders have every privilege <>n our shores, whilst, when they visit Newfound
land, they are regarded as foreigners and treated in a directly hostile manner."

Ee ;il-" quoted an opinion expressed by the council of the Montreal board ol
t rade, as follows ; —

"That the council is of opinion that all retaliatory legislation against Newfound
Land should be withdrawn and that diplomacy should be trusted to arrange other matter
in dispute, and further, that the government should be sustained in its opposition to I

Newfoundland and Canada.

giving rights and privileges to a foreign power on this continent in the British
forth American inshore fisheries, which jointly with Newfoundland belong to the

i, .million of Canada by birthright and immemorial usage."

The Halifax board of* trade had adopted the following resolution on the subject : —

" That whereas the Halifax board <>f trade is deeply sensible of the grave injury
. trade that results from the hostile legislative enactment between the governments of
Newfoundland and Canada, and of the great loss and inconvenience that arc inflicted 0E
..tli countries by the present position of affairs, be it resolved: (1.) That the Halifax
card of trade urge upon the government of Canada by special memorial the desirability
I arranging, if possible, a modus vivendi under the terms of which the hostile tariffs and
nactments of both countries should be held in abeyance until sufficient time is given to
nahle diplomatic conferences to adjust the whole difficulty.

(2.) " That the Halifax board of trade is of opinion that the Bond convention
etween the governments of Newfoundland and the United States would affect Cana-
ian fishing interests most injuriously, in that the produce of the Canadian fisheries
ould compete in the American markets with the produce of the Newfoundland fisheries
t an enormous disadvantage, represented by the severe duties exacted from produce of
lanadian fisheries, from which the produce of Newfoundland fisheries would be exempt.
V.nd that the Halifax board of trade deem it desirable that the Canadian government
lould use every effort to prevent the Bond convention from being carried into effect.

(3.) " That the Halifax board of trade should also memorialize the Canadian
»\ eminent to urge on the Newfoundland government the withdrawal of the Bait Act
lirected against Canadian fishing vessels, on the grounds that its enforcement is a viola-
ion of the pledge given by the government of Newfoundland ; is opposed to the comity
hat should exist between colonies under the British flag ; and is not a fair return for
lie port privileges which Newfoundland fishing vessels enjoy without restriction on the
lanadian and Labrador coasts and their free admission to Canada's inshore fisheries."

Mr. Bowell stated that the grievance connected with the imposition of these license

as intensified by the discrimination in favour of American vessels. He quoted

com the Royal Gazette of Newfoundland a proclamation over the signature of the

olonial secretary, containing instructions for magistrates, customs officers, etc., in

elation to the Bait Act, of which the following is an extract : —

u No license shall be granted except to Newfoundland and United States fishing

Is, and before granting such license the customs officer or magistrate shall require
0 have produced to him the ship's register, in the case of Newfoundland vessels, and in
he ease of United States vessels the clearance papers from the American customs."

Mr. Bond explained that in treating American vessels thus considerately they felt

hat they were treating with a friendly power, who had expressed a willingness to grant

hem certain concessions pending the ratification of the convention, which was in abey-

ute through no fault of the American government, and considered it unwise to impose

i tax on American vessels.

Mr. Bowell replied that it was very much to be regretted that the government of
Newfoundland should have looked upon Canada (composed as it is of British provinces)
is an unfriendly power, which was the only inference that could be drawn from the
remark which had fallen from Mr. Bond. On behalf of the Canadian government he
lesired to disclaim any feeling of hostility or unfriendliness towards Newfoundland.
Dn the contrary, the desire of Canada was to maintain the most friendly relations,
>oth eomercially and politically, with that colony, as was evidenced by the official papers
iow before the conference. In regard to the remarks of Sir William Whiteway, he
Mr. Bowell) could not understand why objection should be taken by the Newfoundland
delegates to the proposal of the Canadian delegates to refer the question of the right on
he part of the government of Newfoundland to collect license fees from the Canadian
ishermen to a court of competent jurisdiction. If the Newfoundland government had
the legal right to collect this tax why should it object to have that right affirmed by a
ribunal competent to give a decision 1 If no such right existed it could scarcely be
upposed that the government would desire to retain money illegally taken from Can-

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adian fishermen. The question of testing in a court of law the rights of a subject again
the crown was of constant occurrence, and if the Canadian fishermen had been illegalfl
taxed by the Newfoundland government surely it was not asking too much that the*
toilers on the sea should have the privilege at least of taking their case into court, i|(
order to have their grievances redressed — if grievances really existed. To deny tli
right would be anti-British, and he could not but express surprise at.the position takt
upon this question by the Newfoundland delegates. If they were legally right, the
had nothing to fear ; if wrong, the money taken from the fishermen as license fees wi
illegally taken, and should be refunded. A goverment could not afford to be less coil
siderate of the rights of a subject than would an individual in a private transaction, i
which the right to property is involved, hence he hoped the Newfoundland delegate
would reconsider the position they had assumed on this question.

" OCEAN BELLE.''

Sir John Thompson suggested that it might be well to consider some of the clain:
which had been brought to the attention of the cabinet for alleged ill-treatment <
Canadian vessels by Newfoundland officers. He referred especially to the case of tl
schooner " Ocean Belle," owned by John Allen & Sons, of Halifax. Captain Wraytoij
the master of this schooner, filed a statement of which the following is an extract : — j

"Left Halifax, N.S., 21st January, 1891, for Fortune Bay, Newfoundland, to pr«j
cure a cargo of frozen herring ; arrived at St. Jacques on 29th following. Enterei
vessel at custom-house, paid duties and received coastwise clearance from collects
Clinton. Asked him for instructions and if any further papers were necessary for n
to procure herring. He answered me : ' There is nothing to prevent you securing yoij
load of frozen herring ; you can do so, so far as I am concerned. I have no instruction
to the contrary.

" Left St. Jacques on the 4th of February ; sailed to Belloram and other placd
about the bay in search of herring, but secured none until the 16th of March, when w
took on board 175 barrels. On the 20th March we took another lot of 60 barrels. A
midnight on the 23rd of March we returned to Belloram. On the 25th purchased frotj
one Patrick Farrell 260 barrels of fresh herring. Just as the purchase was conclude
the steamer " Greyhound," employed by the government of Newfoundland, steamed int
Belloram, with Philip Hubert, collector of customs at Harbour Breton, on board, wh
at once sent a policeman on board my vessel and demanded the removal of the hatched:
I protested against disturbing the hatches, the weather being soft, but finally had t
comply with his demand. I was then asked to go on board the " Greyhound," wlic
collector Hubert informed me I could take no more herring, at the same time fo
bidding Farrell delivering me any of the lot I had secured from him, and placed a police
man on board to prevent his doing so.

u On the following morning (26th) collector Clinton arrived from Bay L'Ar
(telegraph station) and I at once went with him on board the "Greyhound," whei
consultation was held to decide what to do with the herring I had already on boan
They decided to take a bond from me to land the fish at Halifax, N.S., at the sam
time stating their instructions were to allow no Canadian vessels to secure fresh herrinj
I asked them to put their refusal in writing. This they refused to do.

• During the 26th, the wind changed to north-north-east, and the weather turne|
intensely cold. Tried to secure herring again from Farrell, but policeman prevent.
Iiim from handling t hem.

" ( )n t lie morning of the 27th (the steamer " Fiona," also employed in the Newfoum

land government service, and having on board commissioner Sullivan, not having arriv<

pected) I sailed for the bay, the east. On the way down secured a lot of 25 barre

of herring, spread them on ice for freezing, and engaged 250 barrels more from or

Jeremiah Petit ; hadaboul LOO barrels in boats to spread on ice when steamer " Fiona;

arrived and co lissioner Sullivan boarded my vessel, asking me what I was doing her<

Told him I w&b trying to freeze balance of my cargo if allowed to do so. He then askej
me it collector Huberl had not forbidden me taking herring; I replied he had, but thfl

Newfoundland and ( Janada.

• had r°fused to put his order in writing, or give or show his authority for the course

was baking. Commissioner Sullivan then demanded the hatches removed, looked ;ii

h and ordered the hatches replaced: at the same time forbidding me taking

iother fish. 1 then demanded of him a written notice thai I should secure no herring.

his he positively refused to give, and was some time in doubl whether he would allow

6 bo take what herring I had already on hoard. Finally, I was allowed to take V(

9 Jacques with the first catch of herring. Before leaving, Mr. Sullivan ordered the

en in charge of the 100 barrels of herring to throw them overboard, which was done

i the presence of myself and crew. The night following was intensely cold. 1 had

ten to go on board the "Fiona," when I was compelled to take a most binding oath

the herring I had on board would not be used for bait in Nova Scotia.''

" HATTIE."

In this connection,

Mr. Howell referred to the statement of Henry Dicks, owner of the schooner
Hattie," of Charlottetown, from which it appeared that Mr. Dicks had taken out a
shing bounty license under the provisions of a statute of Canada.

He states : "That on the 5th day. of July he entered the port of Channel, New-
►undland, reported at customs, paid the usual light dues, and made entry of fishing
applies, consisting of 130 empty herring barrels and 4^ tons of salt.

•■ That a duty was exacted from him on his supplies amounting to $16.70.

" That upon protesting against the payment of such duty Mr. Dicks was detained
Dur days, but in order to obtain a clearance to proceed to the fishing grounds he eventu-
II v paid the duty, though the barrels and salt had not been landed.

" That having cleared from the port of Channel on the 10th July, for coastwise
ishing, having on board the aforesaid fishing supplies, usual stores, and a seine, preven-
ive officer Richard Furneau, in the service of the Newfoundland government, came on
K>ard (the 7th August) when he was seven miles from Burnt island, and seized his vessel
or alleged violation of the law in hauling herring with a seine.

"That he afterwards proceeded to Channel, and was granted a license on the 11th
Vugust to continue fishing, on giving bonds for $2,000, that the fish were for food and
exportation.

"That having resumed charge of his vessel an officer again came onboard, and
vould not allow the petitioner to resume fishing. Shortly after the petitioner discovered
hat his seine had been ' tripped ' and that the herring were lost by the interference of
he preventive officer.

" That on the 13th August the petitioner paid $18, or $1 a ton to the customs
>tficer, getting a receipt therefor ; but the seizing officer refused to allow the ship to go.

" The petitioner was arrested and on the 20th August was tried for an infringement
)f the Bait Act and a fine of $6 was imposed. The petitioner being unable to afford an
ippeal, this fine was paid.

"The herring season was then over, the crew had become demoralized, the petitioner
iad sustained very serious loss, and being an ordinary fisherman, he was unable to seek
•■dress for the interference which resulted in the loss of his fish from the seine, as well
- that of the fishing season. He claims the sum of $2,000 damages."

Mr. Bond stated, in connection with the cases referred to by Sir John Thompson
md Mr. Bowell, that he did not, at the moment, remember the circumstances connected
tfith them, nor the reasons which induced the Newfoundland government to consider
heniselves justified in refusing to entertain them. In such matters the government
»f course, guided by the reports of the officers intrusted with the enforcement of
lie Bait Act, and on his return to Newfoundland he would be glad to look into the
.natter.

In reply to Sir John Thompson, he stated that the Newfoundland government
^vould be quite willing to consider any renewed representations which might be forward-
'd by the Canadian government, and would be glad to forward copies of any reports
which may have formed the basis of the past action on the part of the Newfoundland
government.

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CUSTOMS EXACTIONS.

Mr. Bowell called attention to a number of grievances which had been reported t*
the Canadian government with reference to the practice said to prevail among Nev!
foundland customs officials, of charging and collecting upon goods (in some cases even o
salt and barrels) which had never been landed on Newfoundland territory.

Mr. Chapleau said that Captain Wakeham of the fisheries protection service, ha]
made a special report regarding these matters. In the report of the 15th February las!
Captain Wakeham had called attention to the cases of the following, viz. : —

" Garland " Petite Riviere.

•• Magic " Lunenburg.

" Vigesco " Halifax.

" Valiant " LaHave.

" Ella Maud " Shelburne.

" Mayflower " , LaHave.

" Vanilla " '. do

" Bessie A." do

" Jewel " Lunenburg.

These vesels had to pay duty on passing the line at Blanc Sablon, on the salt an
barrels which they had on board for curing and packing their fish. For many yeai
Canadian fishermen having taken no fish, had to pay these duties on the same barrel
and salt the following year. In this way the duty had sometimes been paid three timt
on the same articles, although these articles were carried for fishing operations only-
were not intended for trade and were never landed.

Captain Wakeham had also reported that on the sedentary shore fisheries whei
goods were landed and sold, Canada has, during the past two years, collected duties o
dutiable articles, but the salt, nets, hooks and lines, etc., used in fishing operations wei
admitted free.

Sir William Whiteway stated that he had been informed that the practice of CO
lecting duties upon goods which had not been landed was in vogue during the admini:
tration of his immediate predecessors ; but on his assuming Office, the matter was brougb
to the notice of the government, and orders were issued immediately to have it discor
tinned, and customs officials were instructed not to collect duties on goods intended to b;
used in carrying on the fishing when not landed.

THE PROPOSALS.

Adverting to the proposal and counter-proposals which had been formally submittec
Mr. Harvey recapitulated the points at issue as he understood them, and state
that in view of the fact that the Newfoundland delegates had agreed to guarantee t
remedy the objections made by the Canadian government against the Bait Act, and th
discrimination which they feared would be exacted by Newfoundland through the pr<
visions of the Bond-Blaine convention, he expressed deep regret that the Canadian
delegates had not, seen fit to adopt the counter-proposal (B) submitted by Sir Williar

Whiteway.

Mr. Bond pressed upon the Canadian delegates the advisability of consiclerin
whether the counter proposal, jusl referred to by Mr. Harvey, should not be reconsidei
ed with a \ tew O. its adoption if possible.

.Mr. Chapleau said the Canadian delegates had assumed that the assurances give.
by their Newfoundland colleagues, that the objections taken by Canada to the Bon<
Blaine convention, as regards the Bait Act of Newfoundland, and the possibility of dif
criminating against Canadian exports to Newfoundland under that convention, were r<
moved by the concession to Canadian fishermen and vessels, of the same rights to proem

i,ili'- as are c leded to Newfoundland fishermen, and under the same conditions an<

'■ brictions, and thai no discriminations would be made against Canadian exports t
Newfoundland, provided the Canadian government would undertake to have legislatioi
enacted by the Canadian parliament, giving effect to the Newfoundland Bait Act, am

Newfoundland and Canada.

Mpeventing violations of the same by Canadian fishermen and vessels, and provided also
that the fishery products of Newfoundland, and the packages containing the same, would
be admitted tree of duty into Canada, With that view, the Canadian delegates agreed
thai such legislation would be recommended to the Canadian parliament, and thai the
freedom of duty to Newfoundland fishery products, and the packages containing them,
would be granted by Canada.

The Canadian delegates further declared thatt they were ready to submit to their
oolleagues of the cabinet at Ottawa, the reasons and arguments proffered by the New-
foundland delegates tending to remove the objections made by Canada to the Bond
Blaine convention on the ground that such convention would be greatly detrimental to
the fishery interests of Canadian fishermen, and that they would do this with the view
of bringing the relations of the two colonies to the most harmonious character consistent
with the interests of both countries.

The Canadian delegates, in furtherance of the mutual desire expressed by both
parties to come to an amicable agreement and settlement regarding the difficulties now
Boosting between the dominion of Canada and Newfoundland, asked that the modus vi-
wndi between the two colonies be extended until the 1st August next, so as to allow the
renewal of negotiations with the United States for the admission of Canadian fishery
products into the American markets on terms satisfactory to Canada and Newfound-
land.

The Canadian delegates must express their deep regret that their offer has not found
favour with the Newfoundland delegates, and that their sincere desire to bring about a
friendly issue to the controversy between the two colonies has been frustrated by the
persistent demand that a complete surrender of the rights of Canada to object to a con-
vention which she thinks detrimental to her interests and to the general interests of the
future union of all the British North American possessions should be stipulated by the
Canadian delegates in recommending to their colleagues of the Canadian government to
withdraw their protest against the Bond-Blaine convention, in the case of a refusal by
the United States to grant to Canada the same, or adequate advantages as those which
were stipulated in the Chamberlain-Bayard Treaty of 1888.

UNION.

Mr. Bowell expressed his regret that the delegates from Newfoundland had not
seen their way clear to a friendly consideration of the much more important subject of
union, which might be a solution of all the questions now agitating the two countries.
It appeared, however, that Mr. Harvey had objections to even discuss the subject until
all others in dispute had been settled.

Sir John Thompson, reverting to the former discussion upon this subject, was still
■trongly of opinion that, although the question of union might not be finally disposed of
•at this conference, what had taken place should be made a part of the record. Though
the subject of union was not specially mentioned in the order in council of Canada, it
was understood that all matters affecting trade relations with Newfoundland might be
discussed, and any proposition tending to a solution of the existing difficulties, not only
might, but should be considered. He must, therefore, insist that what had been said
should be recorded in the proceedings of the conference, otherwise there would not be a
correct record of what had taken place.

Mr. Harvey expressed himself strongly against any consideration of the question of
union, until a definite answer had been given by the Canadian delegates with reference
to the proposals now before the conference. He re-affirmed his statement made at a
previous meeting, that the conference should first dispose of the questions which had
been placed before it. He called attention to the origin of the conference, in the sug-
gestion of Lord Knutsford, at the time when there was a cessation of trade and com-
merce between the two colonies) that a conference should be arranged to consider the
points in difference between the two governments, and that, pending the meeting of the
conference, all hostile proceedings should cease. This was agreed to, the truce was pro-
claimed, and this is the way the conference and the matters in "dispute should be, m his

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opinion, brought to an agreement or a direct issue ; after which, if time permitted, he
would be glad to listen to any expression of opinion which the Canadian delegates might
desire to make, as to the terms upon which the union might, at some time in the future,
take place. This union must be dependent on circumstances which may arise in the
future.

Mr. Bond quite concurred in the opinion of Mr. Harvey that it was of paramount
importance that the questions directly relegated to the conference should be first dis-
posed of. At the same time he could not conceive of any objection to consider any
proposal submitted by the Canadian representatives as a solution of present difficulties.
If Mr. Bowell seriously brought forward the question of union, he was quite prepared
to hear what he had to say. He used the word seriously, advisedly, because on Satur-
day, when the matter was first introduced by Mr. Bowell, it had been suggested that
the discussion should not be recorded as part of the minutes of this conference, and he
was of opinion that any proposal seriously made should form part of the records together
with the opinion expressed thereon. He did not agree with his friend Mr. Harvey that
the Newfoundland representatives had no authority or right to consider the question.
He submitted that their duty was to consider all questions of difference between the
two colonies, and proposals as to a solution of such differences, and he desired to refer
to the minutes of council signed by his excellency the governor of Newfoundland
(appendix 4), which was their authority so to do.

Mr. Harvey again protested against the consideration of this question, until the
conference should come to some decision upon the questions which had been relegated to
it, and which had formed the subject of discussion during the past few days.

Sir John Thompson, in reply to Mr. Harvey, said that the Canadian delegates
could, of course, only discuss the questions which the Newfoundland delegates were
willing to discuss, and must discuss them in the order desired by the Newfoundland
delegates. He considered, however, that the question of union was one of the greatest
pending between Canada and Newfoundland, and therefore within the authority of the
delegates to discuss. In any case, he pressed that what had been said on this subject
on Saturday and to-day should appear on the record, if any record of the discussion was
intended to be preserved and made public. The expectation of the public in Canada
was that the question of union would be brought forward, and if the delegates, on their
return, should be asked whether that question was taken up, they could not be expected
to deny the fact. If the record was silent on that subject, they would be obliged to
contradict the record.

Sir William Whiteway expressed the opinion that the consideration of the question
of union, if proposed as a solution of existing difficulties, was a proper one for the con-
sideration of the conference.

Mr. Bowell said he could not help remarking, and he would do so, he hoped, not in
;ni offensive manner, that Mr. Harvey had been conjuring up phantoms for the purpose
of knocking them down, which he admitted had been very well done. It must be re-
membered, that he (Mr. Bowell) had not even suggested delay in the settlement of the
questions now before them for consideration. All that he had done was to ask the con-
sideration of the greater question in a manner that might lead to a final settlement of
all questions of dispute between them.

Sir William Whiteway, on behalf of the Newfoundland delegates, handed in
counter proposal " l>." (See appendix 8.)

( lonference adjourned until Tuesday, at 3 o'clock.

W. V. WHITEWAY, Chairman. M. BOWELL.

I! BOND. J. A. CHAPLEAU.

A W. HARVEY. JOHN S. D. THOMPSON.

DOUGLAS STEWART, Secretary.

Halifax, 15th November, 1892.

Conference resinned al .'I o'clock, all the delegates being present.
Mr. Bowel) handed in proposal "E." (See appendix 9.)

Newfoundland and Canada.

// was agreed that the delegates should recommend fco their respective governments
the rate of postage between the two countries be reduced to three cents per ounce,
that newspapers, when scut from the office of publication, be transmit ted free.
It was moved by Mr. Bond, seconded by Mr. Chapleau, and

Resolved, that the Canadian and Newfoundland delegates desire to record their
appreciation of the kindness of the provincial government of Nova Scotia, in
tag at their disposal the legislative council chamber, during their deliberations in
t'.ix and that this expression of their gratification be conveyed to the said govern-
t through the Hon. W. S. Fielding, premier.

// was agreed that no statement of the business of the conference should be made
ic until the delegates report to their respective governments.
Conference concluded.

YV. V. WHITEWAY, Chairman. M. BOWELL.

R. BOND. J. A. CHAPLEAU.

A. W. HARVEY. JOHN S. D. THOMPSON.

DOUGLAS STEWART, Secretary.

APPENDIX 1.

I port of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council, approved by His "Excel-
lency the Governor-General in Council on the 23rd September, 1892.

The committee of the privy council have had before them a telegram from the
istrator of the government of Newfoundland to your excellency, dated the 15th
itember, 1892, hereto attached.

The committee advise that your excellency be moved to inform the administrator

telegraph, that a deputation from the Canadian government can meet a delegation

m the government of Newfoundland at Halifax to discuss the fishery question

I other questions between Newfoundland and the Dominion any time after the tenth

of October next.

The committee further advise that the government of Newfoundland be invited to
ic a day subsequent to the 10th October, on which it would be convenient for their
tes to meet a Canadian delegation.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Administrator, Newfoundland, to Lord Stanley of Preston.
im.) St. John's, Newfoundland, 15th September, 1892.

ii requested by my responsible advisers to inquire of your lordship earliest
psible date at which it will be convenient for a deputation of Canadian government
I delegation from this colony to discuss fishery question and other questions
lifference between the two governments.

ADMINISTRATOR.

APPENDIX 2.

' of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council, approved by His Excel-
lency the Governor-General in Council on the 23rd September, 1892.

lhe committee of the privy council beg to recommend to your excellency that the
er of militia and defence, the minister of customs, and the minister of marine and
- be appointed a deputation to meet and confer with certain delegates from the
ment of Newfoundland upon the fishery question and other questions between
two governments.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.
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APPENDIX 3.

Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council, approved by His Excelled
the Governor-General in Council on the 29th October, 1892.

The committee of the privy council beg to recommend to your excellency t
the minister of justice be appointed a member of the deputation to meet and cor,
with certain delegates from the government of Newfoundland upon the fishery quest!
and other questions between the two governments, in the room of the minister
marine and fisheries, who is obliged to proceed to England on official business.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

APPENDIX 4.

Certified Copy of Minutes of the Honourable Executive Council, approved by m
Excellency the Governor on the 27th October, 1892.

On consideration of the question of a delegation to Halifax, Nova Scotia, to cow
with delegates from the government of the dominion of Canada upon the questio: rf
the fisheries and other matters of difference between the two governments, it in
resolved that the Hon. Sir W. V. Whiteway, K. C. M. G., premier, the Hon. Roljrt
Bond, colonial secretary, and the Hon. A. W. Harvey do proceed as delegates f p
this colony to Halifax, on the 2nd proximo.

T. O'BRIEN, Lieut-Col,

Governor. •

"A"— APPENDIX 5.

The Canadian representatives, having stated their objections to the Bond-BL
convention, and the representatives of Newfoundland, having assured the forrnei
their desire to remove all such objections, in so far as it may be in the power of
government and legislature of Newfoundland to do so, and having declared that
ratification of that convention is a matter of the utmost importance to the colonfcl
Newfoundland, the Canadian representatives desire to express their gratification at le
assurance before mentioned.

They are unable to state, without consultation with their colleagues of the cabM
that the protest of Canada against the ratification of the convention would not be I
tinned, even though it should be found impossible to secure for Canada admission
Canadian fishery products to the markets of the United States, on terms like i
granted to Newfoundland under the convention.

The ( 'anadian representatives, therefore, suggest that, for the present, thatquesp
be lefl in abeyance, and that in the meantime, an agreement be made as follows:—

' hal lice majesty's government shall not be asked by Newfoundland to ratify
convention until a reasonable time shall have elapsed to give Canada a further 0]
t unity to ascertain whether the United States will consent to put the fishery pre'
oi ( 'anada and <»t' Newfoundland on the same footing, or grant equivalent conces
to ( anadian products.

Thai it be understood to be the intention that Newfoundland will put Cana

fisher ii and vessels on equal footing with Newfoundland fishermen and vessel-

time to time a; to supplies of bait, and other matters, and that no discrimination
be made against exports from Canada to Newfoundland. These two provisions t
aecured at leasl tor the time during which the convention shall be in operation,
should be ratified

Newfoundland and Canada.

That, in the meantime, i.e., during the period allowed for negotiations on the pari
Canada, the fishermen and vessels of Canada shall have bait and other farilit ies, on
q same footing as those of Newfoundland, and that no duties shall be imposed in
Lnada on the fishery products of Newfoundland in their fresh, salted, dried or cured
ite, including fish oils, and no discriminating duties in Newfoundland on exports from
mada.

That Canada will adopt such legislation as may he within the competence of her
rliamenl against infractions of the laws of Newfoundland respecting bait, by Canadian
bermen and vessels who may obtain supplies of bait in Newfoundland.

" B "—APPENDIX 6.

The Newfoundland delegates, having carefully considered the paper submitted by

madian delegates, regret that notwithstanding the fact that the Newfoundland

tes have expressed their willingness to recommend to their government the

emoval of the objections raised by Canada, viz., differential duties — access to bait —

• • under 1818 treaty — to the Bond- Blaine convention, the Canadian delegates

tesitate to undertake on behalf of their colleagues, the withdrawal of the protest, even

t'ter time has been allowed for the conduct and termination of further negotiations with

he United States on the part of Canada.

If the Canadian delegates will, however, undertake to recommend to their colleagues
be withdrawal of the protest under the foregoing circumstances, if the Canada-United

- negotiations have not been concluded by 1st June, 1893, the Newfoundland
lelegates will cordially assent to the proposal as submitted.

In case this meets with the approval of the Canadian delegates, the reports to the
respective governments should embrace provisions regarding the consulate at St. Pierre —
ni agreement for the delimitation of Labrador boundary, and that the suits now being
>rosecuted in the Newfoundland courts regarding license fees, should be withdrawn.

The Newfoundland delegates would also suggest that the verbiage of the two first
►aragraphs on the second page of the paper submitted, should read somewhat as
ollows : —

(1.) That it be understood to be the intention that Newfoundland shall put Cana-
lian fishermen and vessels on the same footing, and that Canada shall put Newfoundland
ishermen and vessels on the same footing as regards their respective fisheries as the
espective fishermen and vessels were upon prior to the year 1890. That no discrimi-

I union will be made by Canada or Newfoundland upon the exports from each of the
olonies to the other, and that fishery products and packages containing the same shall
be free upon entry into each colony from the other. These two provisions to be secured
0 each colony during the operation of the convention, should it be ratified.

(2.) That, in the meantime, i.e., during the period allowed for negotiations, the
•revisions contained in the next last preceding paragraph shall be in operation between
wo colonies.

"C"— APPENDIX 7.

The Canadian delegates beg to offer the following suggestion to the delegates from
Newfoundland on the counter-proposal just handed in by the latter to the former.

^ ithout discussing for the present the completeness of the statement of Canada's
objections to the Bond-Blaine convention, but coming at once to the request that the
panadian delegates shall recommend to their colleagues the withdrawal of the protest
made by the Canadian government, they request the Newfoundland delegates to consider
die efiects of such a promise. In negotiations like the present, which are ad referendum,
* promise to recommend would be considered by the Canadian government as an obliga-
tion assumed on their behalf by three of their colleagues, and that government would,
in consequence, not consider themselves free to deal with the whole question on its

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merits. The Canadian delegates can, therefore, only undertake to submit the whol
question to their colleagues, and to assure the delegates from Newfoundland that th
representations that they have made will be considered by the Canadian governmen
with an anxious desire that the relations of the two countries shall be of the most hai
monious character, consistent with the interests of both countries.

The Canadian representatives acquiesce in the proposal to make representations t
her majesty's government with reference to a consulate at St. Pierre, and to delimi
the Labrador boundary, whenever the Newfoundland government is prepared to do s
— an examination of the question being in the meantime made by geographical experts
As regards the suits now pending in the Newfoundland courts for the recovery «
license fees, the Canadian government is hardly in a position to withdraw them. The
are suits by and on behalf of persons who claim a refund of license fees, etc., an<
action of the character suggested in the counter-proposal would not bind the claimant
to surrender their rights. The Canadian government, however, would undertake, if i
be considered desirable, to secure a suspension of these suits for the period referred t
in the next following paragraph, as allowed for negotiations. They would prefer tha
an agreement should be come to for a reference of the question of the liability of th
Newfoundland government for claims of that class, to some legal tribunal, such as th
judicial committee of the privy council, the supreme court of Canada, or the suprem
court of Newfoundland ; with the right to appeal to the judicial committee if eithe
of the two latter courts should be the court resorted to.

They submit that the period allowed for the negotiations referred to in the pn
posal and the counter-proposal should be the 1st of August next.

In other respects, they respectfully invite the Newfoundland delegates to recoi
sider the terms of the proposal made by the Canadian delegates at Saturday's meetim

"D"— APPENDIX 8.

The Canadian representatives having expressed their willingness to adopt sue
Legislation as may be within the competence of their parliament, against infraction (
the laws of Newfoundland respecting bait by Canadian fishermen, and vessels who ma
obtain supplies of bait in Newfoundland, the Newfoundland representatives undertak
to recommend to their cabinet that Canadian fishermen and vessels shall be put 0
equal footing with Newfoundland fishermen and vessels as to supplies of bait and tha
no discrimination will be made against imports from Canada, provided all the produc
of the Newfoundland fisheries and packages in which the same is contained shall h
admitted to Canadian ports free of duty, and also that the fishermen of Newfoundlan
are admitted to equal privileges with Canadian fishermen in Canadian waters ; th
mutual concession to continue in force until the fist day of June next. Should th
Bond-Blaine convention in the meantime receive the ratification of her majesty's go*
ernment, or the Canadian government, on or before that date, withdraw their protes
against the ratification of the same by her majesty's government, then the said priv
lege shall continue to exist. The Newfoundland representatives had hoped that aft<
the assurances given, viz., that such guarantee as the government of the Dominion <
( 'anada Bhall deem satisfactory will be given by the government of Newfoundland tha
no differentia] tariff will be exacted against the produce of the Dominion of Canada
thai the Canadian fishermen will be admitted to equal rights and privileges with th
fishermen of Newfoundland, and that a system of licenses shall be adopted as a reood
nition of the continuity of the treaty of 1818; which meant the removal of evei
objection within the powers of the colony to remove, the Canadian representative
would have undertaken the withdrawal of the protest, or at least to recommend to the
colleagues the withdrawal of the same after a reasonable time had been allowed ti
afford Canada a further opportunity to ascertain whether the United States would ooi
bo put the fishery products of Canada and of Newfoundland on the same footing
or grant equivalent concessions to Canadian products.

Newfoundland and ( Janada.

The Newfoundland delegates fail to sec thai in asking the Canadian representatives

i these negotiations which are <ul referendum to recommend to their government the

,'ithdrawal <>t* the protest, their freedom of action would he contracted or influenced !«'-

>nd the expi-ession of an opinion by the Canadian representatives, and they regret thai

nadian representatives decline to accede to their requesl in tins behalf.

[n the absence of such an undertaking the Newfoundland delegates are unable to
ive a promise to the effect that her majesty's government will nm be asked by the
overnmenl of Newfoundland to ratify the convention aforesaid, more especially as such
itification is considered to be of vital importance to the trade and commerce of the
olony.

The Newfoundland representatives presumed that in proposing the withdrawal of
■if suits respecting the license fees, their request would not have been deemed unreason-
ble, hut would have met with a ready acquiescence, and they fail to perceive any conces-
ion on the part of the Canadian representatives in a proposal to refer the matter to a
ndicial tribunal, which is the utmost that can be done under the most antagonistic cir-
unistances. They would, therefore, most respectfully ask a reconsideration of this sub-
eel by the Canadian representatives, a modification of their proposal.

"E"— APPENDIX 9.

The Canadian delegates will submit to their government the reply handed to them
v the Newfoundland delegates last evening.

In the meantime, however, they respectfully assert that the stipulations which that
•ply designates as " mutual concessions " can hardly be regarded as such, for the fol-
owing among other reasons :

(1.) The right of Canadian fishermen to buy bait in Newfoundland on equal footing

ith Newfoundland fishermen had already been secured, as a condition on which the

'.ait Act received the royal assent, and the law officers of England have, it seems,

idvised her majesty's government, that it is illegal for the government of Newfound-

ind to adopt any other course.

(2.) Equal rights of fishing in the waters of the two countries could not be regarded
is a concession to Canada by Canadian fishermen. They are of opinion that the fish-
>f Newfoundland waters are not so productive as to afford them lucrative employ-
aent, while the fisheries in Canadian waters are far otherwise. The fishermen of Canada
D using the deep sea fisheries (which are open to the world) desire to enjoy the right to
»rocure bait in Newfoundland. The fisheries of Canada have always been open to New-
oundland fishermen on the same terms as to Canadians. Both have always had the
tine terms in the markets to which the produce of the fisheries was carried. If, how-
sver, the convention between the United States and Newfoundland should give the
Newfoundland fishermen a preference over Canadian fishermen in the markets of the
1 oited States by stipulation for free fish for Newfoundland, while Canadian caught fish
\'ould remain subject to duty, the disadvantage to Canadian fishermen would be seriously
■nhanced if Newfoundland fishermen could pursue the fisheries in Canadian waters,
anadian fish would then indeed have a free market, but only when caught by New-
foundland fishermen.

(3.) The offer that, in the event of Canada submitting to have the convention go
into force, discriminating duties would not be imposed on her exports to Newfound-
land, is merely an offer to do that which the government of that colony and the dele-
gates have avowed their intention in making the convention. Canada has never imposed
liscriminating duties on imports from Newfoundland, and although Newfoundland for a
time did so against Canada, it has been assumed that she did so under a feeling of irri-
tation and that a policy so contrary to the principles which should govern the relations
between two dependencies of the empire would not be adhered to.

As regards the desire and expectation of the Newfoundland delegates, that the
-nits should be absolutely withdrawn, it must be remembered that these suits were

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 20d to 20f.)

A. 189;

brought to recover sums of money which were obtained by the Newfoundland goven
merit from persons in Canada, without (it is contended) the authority of the law. Tt
Canadian delegates submit that the proposal for a reference of the controversy to soi
-competent authority should be satisfactory, and that the Canadian government shoulj
not be asked to pay their people the money which has thus been obtained by Newfouiu
land. This would be the result of their undertaking to have the suits withdrawn,
the individual claimants could not be expected to abandon their rights, and neither tl
parliament nor government of Canada could take away those rights.

6 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 25.) A. 1893

RULES

[25J

)fthe Exchequer Court of Canada in respect to any proceeding that may be
had or taken in the Exchequer Court of Canada to impeach any patent
issued under " The Patent Act."

GENEEAL OEDEE.

In pursuance of the 55th section of " The Exchequer Court Act," 50-51 Victoria,
hapter 16, and 52 Victoria, chapter 38, it is ordered that the following rules shall
e in force in respect to any proceeding that may be had or taken in the exchequer
ourt of Canada to impeach any patent issued under " The Patent. Act," and the
mendments thereto: —

1. In any proceeding for the impeachment of any patent under the 34th sec-
ion of " The Patent Act," as amended by the act 53 Victoria, chapter 13, intituled
; An Act to amend the Patent Act," the practice and procedure which in like pro-
jeedings were in force in her majesty's high court of justice in England immediately
irior to the passing of the act of the parliament of the united kingdom of Great
jiritain and Ireland, 46 and 47 Victoria, chapter 57, intituled " An Act to amend
jnd consolidate the Law relating to Patents for Invention, Eegistration of Designs
nd Trade Marks," shall be followed as near as may be.

2. In any such proceeding the party seeking to impeach the patent may, in ad-
ition to any ground or cause for impeachment that might be relied on under the
4th section of the said act, set up and rely upon any ground or cause mentioned
b the 37th section of "The Patent Act," as amended by the act 55-56 Victoria,
hapter 24, intituled " An Act to further amend the Patent Act."

3. If in any case it is sought to impeach a patent for one or more of the grounds
»r causes mentioned in section 37 of " The Patent Act," as amended by 55-56 Vic-
oria, chapter 24, intituled "An Act to further amend the Patent Act," and for no
•ther cause, a sealed and certified copy of the patent and of the petition, affidavit,
pecification and drawings thereunto relating may be filed in the office of the regis-
irar of the court, and proceedings to have the same declared null and void may
hereupon be taken by information in the name of the attorney general of Canada,
r by a statement of the claim at the suit of any person interested, in accordance
rith the ordinary practice of the court.

Dated at Ottawa, this 5th day of December, A.D. 1892.

GEO. W. BTJEBIDGE,

Judge) Exchequer Court.

Edarar versus Caron.

K !<: 1 * O I J T

ROYAL COMMISSION

In reference to certain charges made agai

HON. SIR A. P. CARON, K.C.M.G.

SESSION, 1893

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT.

OTTAWA

PRINTED BY S. E. DAWSON, PRINTER TO THE QUEEN'S MOST
EXCELLENT MAJESTY

1893

Edgar versus Caron.

TABLIi OF CONTENTS

Page.
>rder in Counci], appointing Royal Commission 1

!( unmission, cop}7 of 2

)rder in Council, remitting fees on Commissions 8

" providing for payment of expenses 8

iteport of Commissioners 10

setter of Mr. Edgar to Commissioners 11

from Crown Counsel to Mr. Edgar 16

leply to above letter by Mr. Edgar 22

'urther letter from Crown Counsel to Mr. Edgar 23

■)ath of Judge Routhier as Commissioner 25

Tait " 26

Commission to Secretary, G. F. Hamel 26

)ath of Secretary 26

)aths of Stenographers 27

Totice of appearance by J. S. Archibald 27

Voces- verbal, minutes of proceedings 28

List of witnesses examined 35

List and inventory of exhibits produced and filed.

Series " D." 36

" "D.T." 39

" "LI." 41

" "J.S." 55

" "H.J.B." , 57

" "W.R.D." 58

" " J.G." 59

" " A.R.Mc." 59

" "ARC." 59

Evidence, M. G. Dickieson 61

L. K.Jones 71

J. G. Scott. 90

H. J. Beemer 124

W. R. Dean 153

Appearance of Hon. Geo. Irvine for Mr. Beemer.. 160

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893J

Pagi
Evidence, Hon. Thos. McGreevy 16]

" James Geggie ; 17i

E. F. Wurtele id

" A. R. McDonald 18,

" P. E. Grandbois, M.P 19

" J. J. McDonald 1

" E. D. Bosweli 21:

" P. B. Dumoulin 21'

" Prank Ross. 21;

u J. I. Tarte 21

Sir A. P. Caron

Exhibits— Series " D." ,

"D.T."

" "L.J."

" "J.S."

" "HJ.B."

" "W.R.D."

" "J.G."

" " A.R.Mc." «

" " A.P.C."

Subpoenas

Edgar versus ( Jaron.

report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council
on the 16th June, 1892.

The Committee of the Privy Council, on the recommendation of the
President of the Privy Council, advise that a Royal Commission under the
Act, chapter 114 of the Revised Statutes, respecting inquiries concerning
Public Matters be issued, directed to the Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier
0f the city of Quebec, one of the Judges of the Superior Court, in and for
the province of Quebec, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, of the city
of Montreal, also one of the Judges of the said Superior Court, authorizing
such Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of certain alle-
gations and charges against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, one of Her
Majesty's Privy Councillors for Canada, and a member of the House of Com-
mons of Canada, as set forth in a resolution adopted by the House of Com-
mons on the fourth day of May, 1892, with powers to summon before them
any witnesses and to require them to give evidence on oath, orally or in
writing, or on solemn affirmation, if they are persons entitled to affirm in
civil matters, and to produce such documents and things as such Commission-
ers deem requisite to the full investigation of the matters into which they are
appointed to examine.

The Committee further advise on the same recommendation, that the
sittings of the said Commission be held at such place as shall be found con-
venient, and that the Commissioners report the evidence as well to Your Ex-
cellency in Council as to the Speaker of the House of Commons.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

2?— 1

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Extract from The Canada Gazette of Saturday, August 6, 1892.

COMMISSION.

STANLEY of PRESTON.

[L.S.]

CANADA.

VICTORIA, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, &c, &c., &c.

To the Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier, of the city of Quebec, one of
the Judges of the Superior Court in and for the [province of Quebec, and
the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, of the city of Montreal, one of the
Judges of the Superior Court in and for the province of Quebec, —
Greeting ;

ROBT. SEDGEWIOK, ^ \17 HERE AS it is, in and by the Revised Statutes
Deputy of the Minister of V V? of Canada, chapter 114, intituled : "An Act

Justice, Canada. J respecting Enquiries concerning public matters,"

among other things in effect enacted, that whenever the Governor in Council;
deems it expedient to cause an enquiry to be made into and concerning any)
matter connected with the good government of Canada, or the conduct of any|
part of the public business thereof, and such enquiry is not regulated by any
special Law, the Governor in Council may by the Commission in the case con-
fer upon the Commissioners or persons by whom such enquiry is to be conducted,
the power of summoning before them any witnesses, and of requiring them to
give evidence on oath, orally or in writing, or on solemn affirmation, if they
are persons entitled to affirm in civil matters, and to produce such documents
and things as such Commissioners deem requisite to the full investigation of
the matters into which they are appointed to examine :

And whereas during the Session of Parliament which took place during
the present year (1892) Mr. James D. Edgar, a member of the House of
( Jomraons, made in his place in the House of Commons, on the sixth day of
April last, certain statements against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
K.< . \l.< 1., another member of the House, and a member of the Queen's Privy
Council for Canada, which are set forth in the Votes and Proceedings and in
t be Journals of the said House :

A.ND whereas on a subsequent day the said James D. Edgar moved that
the said statements be referred to the Select Standing Committee of the Housej
of Commons on Privileges and Elections, and a debate arising thereon, as to
the propriety and expediency of so referring the said statements, and on the
meaning of the charges and imputations which were contained and implied in
the same, the following resolution was come to by the House : —

James D. Edgar, 1 lie member representing the Electoral District of the]
West Riding of the County of Ontario in this House, having stated from his
place in this House, that he is credibly informed and believes that he can
establish by satisfactory evidence —

Edsrar versus ( !aron.

1. That during each of the years 1882 to 1891 inclusive, the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company received by way of bonus from the Dominion
>f Canada, subsidies amounting in the aggregate, to upwards of one million
tollars, which subsidies were voted by Parliament on the recommendation of
the Ministers of the Crown.

2. Arrangements were entered into" by the said Railway Company where-
by the expenditure of said subsidies was made by a Construction Company
through, or in conjunction with, one H. J. Beemer, a contractor — and the said
Beemer, and those who assisted him in financing for the said railway works,

\od the benefit of the said subsidies.

3. During the whole of the said period from 1882 to 1891, the Honour-
tble Sir Adolphe P. Caron was, and still is, a member of the House of Com-
mons of Canada, a member of the Canadian Government, and one of Her
Majesty's Privy Councillors for Canada.

4. That the said Sir A. P. Caron was, during the wThole, or the greater
part of the said period, one of the members of the said Construction Company,
jand thus had means of knowledge of, and did know of the dealings with the
'said subsidies and their destination after they were paid over by the Govern-
ment to the said Railway Company.

5. That during the said period, and while the said railway was being
constructed in part by means of said subsidies, the said Sir A. P. Caron cor-
ruptly received large sums of money out of the said subsidies, and from moneys
raised upon the credit of the same, and from parties beneficially interested in
the same.

6. That during the said period out of said subsidies, and out of moneys
raised upon the credit of the same, and from parties beneficially interested in
the same, large sums of money were from time to time corruptly paid and
contributed, at the request and with the knowledge of said Sir A. P. Caron, for
election purposes, and to aid in the election to the House of Commons of the
said Sir A. P. Caron, and other members and supporters of the Government
of which he was a member, and that after some of such last-mentioned corrupt
payments and contributions wrere made, further and other subsidies were
granted and paid to the said Railway Company by the Government of which
Sir A. P. Caron was a member.

7. That the Temiscouata Railway Company was given incorporation by
Letters Patent issued by the Canadian Government on 6th October, 1885, and
since that date the said Railway Company has received from the Dominion
of Canada subsidies to the extent of $649,200 — which subsidies were voted by
Parliament on the recommendation of Ministers of the Crown.

8. That since the 6th October, 1885, and while the said Temiscouata
Railway was being constructed in part by means of the said subsidies, the said
Sir A. P. Caron corruptly received large sums of money from the persons who
from time to time controlled the said Temiscouata Railway Company and the
said subsidies, or who were beneficially interested in the said subsidies.

9. That also since the said 6th October, 1885, the persons who from time
to time controlled the said Temiscouata Railway Company and the said sub-
sidies, or who were beneficially interested in the said subsidies, paid and
contributed large sums at the request, and with the knowledge of the said Sir
A. P. Caron, for election purposes to aid in the election to the House of
Commons of the said Sir A. P. Caron, and other members and supporters of
the Goverifment of which he was a member, and that after some of such last-
mentioned corrupt payments and contributions were made, further and other

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

subsidies were granted and paid to the said Eailway Company by the Goverrj
ment of which the said Sir A. P. Caron was a member.

That in the course of the Debate arising on the resolution based on sucl
statements of the said Mr Edgar, it was stated by the Honourable Mr. Millg
the member representing the Electoral District of Dothwell, as follows : —

" So when the leader of the Government and his colleague undertake tl
seriously argue that this House is denuded of all its power to enquire into th'
misappropriation of public money for the purpose of corrupting the elector]
of this country, because the trial of election petitions has been referred to thj
courts, I take issue with those hon. gentlemen on that ground. The trial d
election petitions is one thing. The use of public money for deliberate corrud
tion of the electors by a member of the Administration is a proper matter foj
enquiry by this House, and is not in the smallest degree restricted in any wa
by reason of the trial of election petitions having been referred to the courts.!

That it was further stated by the said' Mr. Mills : "These charges poir
to a member of this House in his official capacity as a member of the Admin
istration, rather than to his conduct as a member of this House. What, il
effect, are the charges here made ? They point to the fact that, the Crown wa
advised to appropriate large sums of money for particular purposes, and tha
these moneys were diverted from these public purposes and placed in th
hands of a Minister of the Crown for the purpose of corrupting the electorat
in certain portions of the Dominion of Canada."

That it was further stated by the said Mr. Mills : " There is a statemec
made here that this hon. gentleman, the Postmaster-General, is the Ministd
of the Crown who advised these subsidies being appropriated to aid these con)
panies. There is a charge that he obtained a portion of the subsidy so voted
or its equivalent, from these companies, and used it for his own purpose if
his own election, and in the elections in twenty-three constituencies in th:
Dominion. That charge is specific and clear enough. It is also stated thi
after some of these moneys were received by him this same gentleman advise
the Crown to grant other subsidies to other parties, and that from these othe;
subsidies, moneys were also obtained."

That it was further stated by the said Mr. Mills as follows : —

" If he advised the Crown to make these appropriations, and had J
understanding with one of the railway companies participating in them th
these moneys, or a portion of them, should go to him, we ought to know it;
we are entitled to know it."

That it was stated in the said Debate by Sir Richard Cartwright, tbj
member representing the Electoral District of the South Riding of Oxford
referring to the said charges of the said Mr. Edgar, as follows : —

" What in the name of wonder is it that my hon. friend beside me hs
charged the Postmaster-General with ? He has charged him in no vague lai!
guage, but in terms, with being guilty of the most corrupt conspiracy, for ta
purpose of destroying the electoral liberties of the people of Canada, of whicj
any adviser of the Crown can be found guilty."

It was stated in the said Debate by Mr. Edgar aforesaid, as follows : — |

" Those railways which are involved in this charge were aided by tl.
Dominion and Provincial Governments, and what I complain of is the apprcj
priation of Dominion subsidies to the Postmaster-General." And again :

" The Minister of Marine drew a nice point when he said that I did no

should have done, charge his colleague with public robbery. •Well, I di
not put it in those words but in words which I certainly intended to mea|

Edgvir versus ( 'aron.

robbing the public. If it is not public robbery for a member to take moneys
lout of publio subsidies, I would like to know what is." And again :

"So I think il I get a chance to go on and prove these charges there will
r hat is, under the law, a most abominable conspiracy."

That, from the aforesaid statements made by the said J. D. Edgar, and
troni comments and arguments thereon by the said David Mills and Sir Richard
Oartwrighl and the said James D. Edgar from their places in this Houm it
1 1 (pears that it was the intention of the said J. D. Edgar by said statement to
charge Sir A. P. Caron, a member of this House, and of the Honourable the
Privy Council of Canada, with grave offences and derelictions of duty, not-
withstanding that the said statement of the said J. D. Edgar, first above cited,
did not make any definite or precise charge against him.

That the following charges and allegations are indicated by the said state-
ment made by the said J. D. Edgar, and by the comments and arguments of
the aforesaid other members of this House, and by his own comments thereon
as intended to be made in the said statement, against the said Sir A. P. Caron,
namely:

1. That during each of the years 1882 to 1891, inclusive, the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company received by way of bonus from the Domi-
nion of Canada, subsidies amounting in the aggregate to upwards of a million
of dollars, which subsidies were voted by Parliament on the recommendation
of Ministers of the Crown

2. That, during the whole of the said period from 1882 to 1891, the
Honourable Sir A. P. Caron was, and still is, a member of the Canadian Gov-
ernment, and one of Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for Canada, and also a
member of the House of Commons in each Parliament which has been elected
since the year 1 882.

3. That during the said period, and while the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway was being constructed in part by means of said subsidies, the said Sir
A. P. Caron knowingly aided and participated in diverting the said subsidies
from the purpose for which they were granted, by receiving, for election pur-

i poses, from the said railway company, or from a construction company tormed
for the construction of the said railway, or from one H. J. Beemer, as manager
! thereof, or contractor of the said railway, la'ge sums of money out of the said
j subsidies, and out of moneys raised upon the credit of the same ; and also,
during the said period, did further knowingly so aid and participate byobtain-
I ing from the said companies, or one of them, the payment out of said subsidies,
| and out of moneys raised by the said companies, or one of them, on the credit
: of the same, of large sums of money for election purposes, and to aid in the
! election to the House of Commons of the said Sir A. P. Caron, and other
i members and supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

4. That, after some of (he last-mentioned payments were so obtained and
1 made, the said Sir A. P. Caron, in consideration thereof, corruptly aided and
' assisted the said Company to obtain further and other subsidies from the

Dominion Parliament.

5. That, since the 6th of October, 1 885, the said Temiscouata Railway
Company received various subsidies from the Dominion of Canada, amounting,
in all, to about $649,200, and that the said Sir A. P. Caron knowingly aided
and participated in diverting the said subsidies from the purposes for which
they were granted, by receiving from the said Company large sums of money
out the said subsidies, or out of moneys raised on the credit of the same, and
also by obtaining the payment by the said Company, out of the said subsidies,

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18931

or out of moneys raised on the credit of the same, of very large sums
money to aid in his election as a member of the House of Commons, and in
the election of other persons as members of the House.

6. That after some of the last-mentioned payments were so obtained and
made, the said Sir A. P. Caron, in consideration thereof, corruptly aided an
assisted the said Company to obtain further and other subsidies from th
Dominion Parliament.

7. That the said Sir A. P. Caron misappropriated public money for the
purpose of corrupting the electors of Canada, to wit, a portion of the mone
voted as subsidies as hereinbefore stated.

8. That the Crown having been advised to appropriate large sums o.
money for public purposes, to wit, the said subsidies, such moneys, or a port!
of them, were diverted from the purposes for which they were so appropriated
and placed in the hands of Sir A. P. Caron for the purpose of corrupting th
electorate in certain portions of Canada.

9. That the said Sir A. P. Caron had an understanding, when the sa
subsidies or some of them were voted or recommended, with one or more o
the railway companies participating in said appropriations, or with a perso
or persons interested in said appropriations, that the moneys so appropria
by Parliament, or portions of. them, should go to him.

10. That the said Sir A. P. Caron, by virtue of the fact so alleged, entere
into a corrupt conspiracy with the said companies, or one or more of them.

That, in the opinion of this House, it is expedient that enquiry should b
made as to the truth or falsity of the allegations and charges last mentioned
and numbered respectively 1, 2, e, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 (being the allegation
and charges included in the original statement of the said James D. Edgar,!
and those made in the course of the debate thereon), and that for that purpose
the House deems it proper and convenient that the evidence relating to such
allegations and charges should be taken by one or more commissioners to be
appointed under chapter 114 of the Revised Statutes of Cauada, and having
all the powers mentioned in said chapter, and that such evidence should be
laid before this House when completed..

That the names of the said Commissioner or Commissioners be submitted;
for the approval of this House before his or their appointment.

And whekeas it is expedient, pursuant to the said resolution of the House'
of Commons, that enquiry under oath should be made as to the truth or!
falsity of the said charges or allegations mentioned ;

And whereas the names of you the said Adolphe Basile Routhier, and,
Melbourne M. Tait, having been submitted to, were duly approved by, the
said House of Commons, —

Now know Ye, that under and by virtue of all and every the powers and
power, in that behalf vested in Us, and by and with the advice of Our Privy
Council for Canada, We, reposing trust and confidence in your loyalty, in-

iv and ability, have nominated, constituted and appointed, and do hereby
nominate, constitute and appoint you the said Adolphe Basile Routhier and
Melbourne M. Tail to bo Our Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth
or falsity of th. said charges and allegations so made as aforesaid against the!
said Sir Adolphe I'. Caron and hereinbefore more particularly mentioned am;

set ollt.

And under and by virtue of the powers vested in Us by the statute lastlyj
hereinbefore recited, We do hereby authorize and empower you as such Com-
missioners to summon before you any witnesses who may be able to testify oi

Ederar versus ( ;ii/on.

to produce documents showing the truth or falsity of the charges or allega-
tions aforesaid, and require them to give evidence on oath orally, or in writing
or on solemn affirmation, in case they are persons entitled to affirm in civil
matters and to produce such documents and things as you our said Com-
missioners shall deem requisite to the full investigation and procuring oi flic
evidence with respect to the matters into which you are hereby appointed to
enquire and examine.

• And We do hereby confer upon you all the powers and authority which
We are authorized by the said statute to confer.

And We ordain and instruct that a record shall be made of all the
evidence and documents which shall be given before you as to the aforesaid
statements, charges and allegations, and that in the event of a difference of
opinion arising as to the admissibility of any evidence or documents submitted
to you as such Commissioners, then such evidence shall be taken and such
documents shall be received, subject to any objection which may arise or appear
to you, and shall be recorded separately.

To have, hold, exercise and enjoy the said office, place and trust unto you
the said Adolphe Basile Routhier, and unto you the said Melbourne M. Tait,
together with the rights, powers and privileges and emoluments unto the said
office, place and trust, of right and by law appertaining, during pleasure.

And We do hereby require and direct you to report to Our Secretary of
State for Canada, the evidence taken before you as such Commissioners as
aforesaid.

In Testimony Whereof, We have caused these Our Letters to be made
Patent and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Wit-
ness, Our Right Trusty and Well-Beloved the Right Honourable Sir
Frederick Arthur Stanley, Baron Stanley of Preston, in the County
of Lancaster, in the Peerage of the United Kingdom ; Knight Grand
Cross of Our Most Honourable Order of the Bath ; Governor-General
of Canada.
At Our Government House, in Our City of OTTAWA, this SIX-
TEENTH day of JUNE, in the year of Our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and ninety-two, and in the Fifty-fifth year of Our
Reign.

By Command.

L. A. CATELLIER,

Under Secretary of State.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council
on the 20th June, 1892.

The Committee, on the recommendation of the President of the Privy
Council, advise that no fees he exacted for the issue of Commissions to Mr.
Justice Routhier and Mr. Justice Tait, members of the Royal Commission,
appointed to enquire into certain charges and allegations preferred against Sir
Adolphe P. Caron, a member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada.

JOHF J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council,

Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council
on the 20th January, 1893.

On a report dated 23rd December, 1892, from the Minister of Justice,
submitting herewith a memorandum of the expenses incurred in taking the
evidence in connection with the investigation of the charges against the
Honourable Sir A. P. Caron, KC.M.G.

The Minister recommends that authority be granted to pay the amount
of the expenses, and to charge the same to the vote for " Litigated Matters."

The Committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Kdir.ir versus ( !aron.

MEMORANDUM.

Hon. Mr. Justice Routhier, fee as Commissioner s 250 00

L Hon. Mr. Justice Tait " " 250 00

" travelling expenses 217 49

S. Archibald, Q.C., retainer (to cover solicitor work) $ 500 00

20 days at $75 1,500 00

2,000 00

Paid for travelling expenses $ 254 51

G. F. Ham el, salary as secretary

of the Commission 500 00

G. F. Hamel, disbursements for
messenger, bailiffs, station-
ery, &c 117 03

Telegrams 6 66

Bailiffs, and serving subpoenas.... 13 00

Witness and accountants' fee 595 00

Copying 7 30

1,493 50

!. J. Bisaillon, Q.C., counsel fee, 18 days at $50 $ 900 00

Travelling expenses 170 00

1,070 50

. Owens, stenographer 367 50

!. O*. Marceau " 61 75

L Desjardins " 17 90

$5,728 64

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18S

To the Honourable

The Secretary of State for Canada,

Ottawa.

Sir: — The undersigned Commissioners, appointed by Royal Commissi*!,
under the Great Seal of the Dominion of Canada, dated the 16th day of Jol
last, to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of certain charges therein jt
forth, made against Sir Adolphe P. Caron, K.C.M.Gr., Member of the Hoiii
of Commons of Canada, and of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, and!)
report to you the evidence taken before them, have the honour to report jj

1. That they held their first meeting in the Court House at the cityl
Quebec, on the 8th day of September last, when the Commission was read I
the Secretary, and Mr. J. S. Archibald, Q.C., annouced that he appeared ft
behalf of the Crown. The Commission then adjourned to meet again at m
same place at the hour of half past ten in the forenoon, on the 20th of s;l
September, for the purpose of taking evidence.

2. The Commissioners, as they deemed it their duty to do, notified m
James D. Edgar, member of the House of Commons, of the time and placep
fixed for taking evidence and requested him to furnish them with a list of 1
witnesses he desired to have examined. In reply to this notice, Mr. Edg
for reasons stated in his letter, declined to assume any responsibility for 1
prosecution of an enquiry, under the reference as drawn, and added a pc
script, wherein he gave a list of the witnesses whom he would have cal
and of the documents and papers which he would have required them
produce, had he been given, as he states, an opportunity to prove his charg

3. The Commissioners met according to such notice. Mr. Archiba
Q.C., and Mr. Bissaillon, Q.C., appeared for the Crown, and Mr. Ferguson, Q.
Mr. Pentland, Q.C., and Mr. Fitzpatrick, for Sir Adolphe P. Caron ; and 1
examination of the witnesses was commenced.

4. Adjournments were allowed, from time to time, to meet the con
nience of counsel and of the witnesses.

5. The sittings of the Commission were public and accommodation v
afforded for reporters of the public press.

6. All the persons named by Mr. Edgar, with the exception of
Adolphe P. Caron, were duly summoned to appear and to produce the do
minis referred to by him.

7. They all did appear, and were examined by the counsel for the Cro|
in Buch ;i manner as to bring out any evidence, oral or documentary, pertirij
to thf enquiry that could be obtained from them, and they were open
cross-examination by the counsel for Sir Adolphe P. Caron.

8. At the conclusion of their examination, Sir Adolphe P. Caron, hav
expressed a desire to make a statement, was allowed to be examined in I
own behalf by bis counsel, and was cross-examined by the counsel for
Crown.

9. At the request of the latter, and also to afford time, to prepare
record for transmission, the Commission then adjourned for a few days, |
met again on the l!)th instant, when the investigation was declared closed

Edgar versus ( laron.

10. Nothing occurred during the course of the enquiry to indicate, nor
i\t- the Commissioners any reason to believe that any person, other than

examined, is possessed of information relevant thereto.

11. They now transmit : —

(1.) The letter of Mr. Edgar to the Commissioners, above referred to, and
rtain correspondence between the counsel for the Crown and that gentleman ;
(2.) A list of the names of the witnesses examined ;
(3.) A list of the exhibits produced, with a summary of the contents of

xhibit ;
(4.) The depositions given by witnesses ;
(5.) The exhibits so fyled.

The whole respectfully submitted.

A. B. ROUTHIER

M M TAIT f Commissi°ners-

ebec, 24th November, 1892.

Toronto, Sept. 18th, 1892.

The Hon. A. B. Routhier,
The Hon. M. M. Tait,

Commissioners, &c.

Gentlemen, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of a letter from
you of the 8th instant, enclosing a copy of the Royal Commission dated 16th
June last, and informing you that you will meet as Commissioners at Quebec
Dn 20th instant, for the purpose of taking evidence thereunder. I am also
requested by you to furnish to the Commissioners a list of the witnesses whom
,1 may wish to examine.

In answer to this request, I beg to submit with all respect, a statement of
the position I propose to take in regard to this Royal Commission, and some
of my reasons for doing so.

I made certain charges in my place in the House of Commons against
Sir Adolphe Caron who is also a member of the House of Commons, and I
moved for an investigation thereof by a committee of that House, having
power to take evidence under oath.

The majority of the House did not accede to my motion but the Hon.
Mr. Bo well, a colleague of Sir Adolphe Caron in the Ministry, proposed by
!way of amendment that other and different charges should be referred to a
Royal Commission to take evidence thereon. Mr. Bowell's amendment was
carried, and these latter charges are the subject of the present enquiry. Grave
objections have been taken by many of the leading and most experienced
[members of the House of Commons to the action of the House in this case.
They have expressed a conviction that it was entirely unprecedented, opposed
|to Parliamentary laws and usage as settled by the practice of the mother
country, a violation of the privileges of members of the House of Commons,
laud designed to elude and defeat the ends of justice.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189;!

While sharing these views, I would have been personally disposed td
waive them in this instance if the charges made had been fairly laid before
you for investigation. Such, however, had not been the case.

My charges are not fairly nor fully submitted to you, and to show yoij
that it was intended by the Government that they should be inquired into, .1
beg to quote the language of the Minister of Justice and leader of the House:
who, referring to my charges in the debate on the motion for a committed
used the following significant words : — " I have already said enough to shovj
that the charges do not come within the category of charges which I men|
tioned as those in which the House could properly exercise its authority and
jurisdiction ;" and also " as the Resolution comes before the House I shalj
ask the House not to support it."

I wish to mention and to place on record some of the instances when
Mr. Bowell's charges as referred to you have omitted essential portions of m;
charges ; and also where they include charges which I neither made, no,
suggested, nor believed to be true.

There is in the first place, a wilful and flagrant omission from the text o
the Royal Commission. This omission cannot be understood by the Commit
sioners from a mere perusal of the document itself, which contains a grave mis
statement of fact, and a suppression of highly important matter.

Your Commission informs you that a resolution was passed by the Hous|
of Commons stating that " James D. Edgar, the member representing thi
Electoral District of the West Riding of Ontario in this House, having statei
from his place in this House, that he is credibly informed and believes that h
can establish by satisfactory evidence that, etc." Here follow 9 numbered
charges as I presented them — but the Commissioners will be surprised to lean
that my charges are 10 in number, and the 1 0th is deliberately left out of th
statement or recital of what my charges were.

By reference to the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons ci
6th April, and 4th May, 1892, it will be seen that my 10th charge was a
follows : —

" That the said sums of money hereinbefore mentioned in paragraphs
and 9, as paid and contributed for election purposes, were so used, togethe
with other sums contributed by public contractors with the Dominion Govern
ment, and were controlled and distributed by fhe direct authority and wit;
the knowledge of the said Sir A. P. Oaron, in lavish and illegal amounts foj
the purpose of corruptly influencing the electors, and in the general electio
of 1887 alone, upwards of $100,000 of moneys so contributed were so used fc
ili<' i mi rpose of corruptly influencing the electors in the following Electoral
Districts, that is to say: — The Counties of St. Maurice, Champlain, Levis!
Montmorency, Charlevoix, Kamouraska, Temiscouata, L'Islet, Dorcheste:;
Berthier, Portneuf, Quebec, Gaspe, Rimouski, Montmagny, Bellechasse, Beauci
and M^gantic, and Quebec West, Quebec Centre, Quebec East, and Tim
Rivei

I made two grave and specific charges in No. 10, namely : — That (1) Th
mi ins of money mentioned in my paragraphs 6 and 9. (2) Together with th
other sums contributed by public contractors with the Dominion Governmen
were controlled and distributed by the direct authority and with the kno\
ledge of the said Sir A.dolphe Caron in lavish and illegal amounts for the pu
pose of corruptly influencing the electors. Then, in order to be specific an
clear^ I particularized I >v giving the names of 22 counties in which $100,00
wen d in one election. Yet this whole charge is unfairly omitted eve

Edgkr versus ( Jaron.

roni the recital of what my charges were, as well as from the subjects for your
nquiry.

It will be observed that in each of my charges, 5, 6, 8 and 9, I charged
Sir Adolphe Caron with corruptly receiving money from persons who were

licially interested in said subsidies.

This charge has been absolutely eliminated from all parts of the refer-
mce to the Commissioners and yet it cannot be denied that it is one of the
gravest character.

To make, apparently, up for this omission, an entirely new charge or
erics of charges, may be found in Mr. BowelPs statement, which is referred
0 you for inquiry.

In Mr. BowelPs charge 3, referring to the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company, it is alleged that Sir Adolphe Caron received large sums
>f money for election purposes "from said railway company" or " from a cons-
truction company formed for the construction ot the said railway."

I made no such charge ; I do not believe in its truth, and in a speech I
expressly informed the House that the. money was not obtained from the
companies, but "from persons who were beneficially interested in said
subsidies."

Then in Mr. BowelPs charge 5, referring to the Temiscouata Railway
Company it is alleged that the said Sir Adolphe Caron diverted the said sub-
sidies by receiving large sums of money "from the said company," and " by
obtaining the payment by the said company" of very large sums of money.

Again, I say, no such charge was made by me, and the Government
knew why I did not make it.

In Mr. BowelPs No. 6, the same charge as to the companies is repeated,
because it speaks of " the last mentioned payments so obtained and made."

The assumed dealings with the railway company are again introduced in
Mr. BowelPs charge No. 9, and in his final charge No. 10, a corrupt con-
spiracy is boldly charged to have existed for Sir Adolphe Caron and the said
companies or one or more of them ; and this in spite of my distinct assertions
to the contrary.

In Mr. BowelPs motion of reference as it appears on the face of this
royal commission he did me the honour to quote an extract from a speech I made
in the House of Commons during a debate on my motion. May I be per-
mitted to make a further extract from a speech delivered by me in the same
debate, and one week before Mr. Bowell introduced his amendment ? On 27th
April, 1892, I said :—

" Perhaps I had better allow the Postmaster-General to draw up these
charges himself and let him have them just as he would like them to be. I
do not know how else I can satisfy the hon. gentleman on the other side
of the House. I dare say if the Postmaster-General had the drawing of these
charges he would limit them for instance to the charge that he received from
the Lake St. John Railway so much money out of the subsidies, and another
charge, that he received from the Temiscouata Railway Company so much
money out of the subsidies, and then he would valiantly disprove those
charges. I imagine that these are the charges he would like to see there,
from the fact that although there is not a syllable of allegation in the charge
from beginning to end that he received money from either of these corpora-
tions as corporations, still, when he got up he told us with a great flourish
of trumpets that he had voluntarily received telegrams or letters from the
managers of these two companies saying that he has never received any

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189:-

moneys from those companies. Why, Mr. Speaker, nobody said he did'
Does he imagine that anybody would think or believe that a railway corpora
tion like that of the Lake St. John Railway, with a board formed, for instance*
of representatives of the city of Quebec, would calmly sit down at their boari
meeting and pass a formal resolution, or that a meeting of shareholders woulij
pass a resolution to pay so much money out of their subsidy to the Hon
Postmaster-General for himself or his elections ? No, Sir, it is absurd, ana
the Hon. Postmaster-General when he made that declaration was simplj
setting up a man of straw and knocking him down again."

On 4th May, after Mr. Bo well's amendment had been moved, during thj
debate, and before the vote was taken, I quoted the above extract from raj
former speech, and added these words : — " Why, Sir, I was prophetic on tha
occasion, they have done exactly what I anticipated, but hardly believed would
be possible."

In the face of my express omission to charge Sir Adolphe Caron with thi
receipt of moneys from any company or corporate body, after my explici
statement in Parliament that I did not make and could not prove any sucij
charges, and although I had distinctly warned the Government of the futilit !
and deception of any such allegation, yet we find, them making that ver
charge the prominent feature of this inquiry, and I am called upon to support ii

I have shown that I did not make the charges referred to you, and thaj
I did make other charges, which are not referred to you.

The charges which I made I was prepared to substantiate, and I indicat)
in a postscript to this letter the names of witnesses whom I would hav
summoned.

Whether the Commissioners will continue their inquiries when they hav
been informed of the true position of matters, it is not for me to suggest.
am, however, firmly of opinion that neither in the interest of justice, nor i
common self-respect, should I assume any responsibility for the prosecutiol
of an inquiry under a reference which appears to have been skilfully drawl
to baffle investigation and to screen the offenders.

I have the honour to be, gentlemen, your obedient servant,

J. D. EDGAR.

Postscript to letter of 13£/i September, 1892.

Although I have been refused the investigation I demanded, and while
declined to take any part in this reference fpr the reasons stated, yet I tak|
this occasion to make public a list of witnesses whom I would have called haj
I been given the opportunity to prove my charges, namely : —

1. Sir Adolphe Caron, whom I would have also called upon to produc;
for inspection his bank books, cheque books and books of account, during th«
period from 1882 to 1891.

2. The Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Constructiof
Company, and the production by him of all contracts, sub-contracts, an
agreements in connection with the construction of or financing for the Quebe
and Lake St. John Railway; also the minute books, and books of account c
the company, and any books showing the receipt or transfer of any Dominion
subsidies.

8. The Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
and the production of books showing dates of the receipt and payment o
disposal of Dominion subsidies.

Edgar versus ( !aron.

4. The Secretary of the Temiscouata Railway Company, and the pro-
Ijiction of books showing the dates of the receipl and payment or disposal of

iminion subsidies.

5. The Hon. Thomas McGreevy, whom I woidd also have required to
oduce all books, bank books, cheque books, cheque stubs, receipts, letters,

3, papers and vouchers relating to the receipt and to the payments of
iction expenditures while he acted as political treasurer of the conservative
itv in the district of Quebec.

6. J. J. Macdonald, whom I would also have required to produce all
ments, correspondence and papers of all kinds relating to the purchase

him of his interest in the Temiscouata Railway, and all vouchers, notes or

ies connected with, and books containing entries relating to the payment

him of the consideration therefor, and all vouchers, notes or cheques con-

d with, or books containing entries relating to the payment of moneys to

d in the election of Sir Adolphe Caron or other members or supporters of

ie Government of which he was a member since the said J. J. McDonald

quired an interest in said railway and became beneficially interested in

I >ominion subsidies to said railway.

7. J. Israel Tarte, whom I would also require to produce all agreements,
>rrespondence, papers, vouchers, or documents of any kind relating to the
iile to J. J. Macdonald of an interest in the Temiscouata Railway, or to the
ivment of the consideration therefor, or to contributions by any person bene-
pially interested in the subsidies to said railway for election purposes, to aid
it the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron or other mem-
|3rs or supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

8. Dr. Grandbois, M.R, whom I would also require to produce all agree-
ments, correspondence, papers, vouchers or documents of any kind relating

the sale to J. J. Macdonald of an interest in the Temiscouata Railway, or
the payment of the consideration therefor, or to contributions by any person
eneficially interested in the subsidies to said railway for election purposes to
id in the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron or other
lembers or supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

9. A. R. MacDonald, whom I would also require to produce all agree-
lents, correspondence, papers, vouchers or documents of any kind relating to
;ie sale to J. J. Macdonald of an interest in the Temiscouata Railway, or to
ue payment of the consideration therefor, or to contributions by any persons
jeneficially interested in the subsidies to said railway for election purposes to
id in the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron or other
jiembers or supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

10. The representatives of the estate of the late Hon. J. G Ross, of
'uebec, and the production of all agreements, vouchers, papers, correspon-
ded connected with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, or
pe construction thereof, or the financing therefor, and also all notes or
ouchers, books containing entries, relating to payments to or for Sir
\dolphe Caron while the late J. G. Ross was connected with the construction
f, or financing for, the said railway or beneficially interested in the Dominion
ubsidies thereto.

11. H. J. Beemer, and the production by him of all contracts, agreements,
ooks, papers or correspondence relating to the construction of the Quebec and
^ake St. John Railway, or the financing therefor, and all notes, cheques,
heque stubs, vouchers, bank pass books, books of account or any other
japers, letters or documents relating to or containing entries relating to the

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18:

payments of money to Sir Adolphe Caron or relating to contributions i.
election purposes to aid in the election to the House of Commons of i
Adolphe Caron, or other members or supporters of the Government of whiii
he was a member.

12. The Manager of the Quebec Bank at Quebec, and the production
all books showing the discount and deposit and general accounts of i
Adolphe Caron and Thomas McGreevy during the period from 1882 to 181
while subsidies were being granted for the construction of the Quebec a!
Lake St. John Eailway, and the Temiscouata Railway.

13. The Manager of the Banque du Peuple at Quebec, and the prodij
tion of all books showing the discount and deposit and general accounts of 'I
Adolphe Caron and Thomas McGreevy during the period from 1882 to 181.,
while subsidies were being granted for the construction of the Quebec all
Lake St. John Railway, and the Temiscouata Railway.

14. In the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons of 1(1
June, 1892, in a Notice of Motion given by Sir Richard Cartwright, are to i
found copies of letters, receipts and other documents which seem to hav6|i
direct and essential relevancy to the charges which I made in the Housed
Commons. In case of failure to secure the production of the originals fr< i
Mr. Thomas McGreevy, I would have called upon Mr. John Alexander, of tp
Engraving Bureau, 16 Adelaide Street, West, Toronto, to produce and pre:
the photographic fac-similes thereof which he had executed.

J. D. E.

Montreal, November 9th, 1892.
James D. Edgar, Esq., Q.C., M.P.

Be Caron Charges.

Sir, — "We have before us your letter dated at Toronto, the 13th Septefi
ber last, addressed to the Honourable Basile Routhier and Honourable M. .
Tait, Commissioners, stating your reasons for declining to be presein
assist the Commissioners in the investigation of the matters referred to th<
by the commission.

We very much regret that you should have felt called upon to adi
this course, especially in view of the wide range of subjects covered b;
Commission, and the earnest desire of all parties connected with the en
to take advantage of every means which might assist in discovering the tru
Allow us to call your attention to a portion of Mr. Archibald's letter to 3 I
of the 5th September last, namely: — "I beg to inform you that I have b
retained by the Government of Canada as counsel to conduct the investigate 1
referred to in the commission, a copy of which is herewith enclosed. Inasnn n
as the resolution of the House of Commons by virtue of which the Comm
issued was mainly based upon charges originally preferred by yourself, I 1
instructed to inform you that my professional services are at your dispell
for the purpose of enabling you, so far as possible to substantiate these charts
or any of them, and I will be glad to meet you at any time and place ju
may specify for the purpose of consultation and receiving your instructions. I
am further desired to request that you be present at the investigation, and

Edgar versus ( Jaron.

vould take it as a favour if you would, in the meantime, furnish me with the
tamos of all persons whom you wish or think desirable should be summoned
L witnesses and I will see that all efforts are made to seeure their attend-
ance, the government paying their expenses.

• " I am instructed to give all possible consideration to your suggestions
whether made in the meantime, or during the progress of the investigation.

am authorised to state that the Crown will pay your personal expenses while
ittending the investigation."

In giving your reasons for non-compliance with our request you first
rtated that u grave objections had been taken by leading and experienced raem-
>f the House of Commons to the course pursued by the Government,
From a constitutional standpoint, but added that you were personally disposed to
o waive any objection of that character, if the charges had been fairly laid before
rhe commission for investigation." It will be unnecessary for us to say anything
upon the constitutional point which you refer to, particularly as that was a
matter for the House of Commons. There remains then your complaint :

1. That a wilful omission was made by the Government in the drafting
of the Commission by wholly omitting from the statement of your charges as
made in the House any reference to your tenth charge, which was as follows : —
••That the said sums of money hereinbefore mentioned in paragraphs 6 and 9,
as paid and contributed for election purposes were so used, together with
other sums contributed by public contractors with the Dominion Government,
and were controlled and distributed by the direct authority and with the
jknowledge of Sir A. P. Caron, in lavish and illegal amounts for the purpose
lof corruptly influencing the electors, and in the general election of 1887 alone,
iiipwards of $100,000 of monies so contributed were so used for the purpose
of corruptly influencing the electors in the following electoral districts, that is
to say : — The counties of St. Maurice, Champlain, L'Islet, Dorchester, Ber-
thier, Portneuf, Quebec, Gaspe, Rimouski, Montmagny, Montmorency, Char-
levoix, Kamouraska, Temiscouata, Levis, Bellechasse, Beauce and Megantic,
and in Quebec East, Quebec West, Quebec Centre and Three Rivers."

2. That this charge, though of grave import, was also entirely omitted
from the statement of matters to be investigated by the Commission.

3. That the other charges were so changed, principally by limiting the
scope of the enquiry in a manner to prevent the Commission from investigat-
ing transactions relating to the subsidies granted to the two railway companies
referred to, after such subsidies had passed through the hands of said com-
panies and into the hands of other persons beneficially interested therein, that
you could not prove the charges as actually referred and did not believe them
to be true.

4. That other charges which you neither made nor believed to be true
were referred to the Commission for investigation.

Before proceeding to some observations as to whether your complaints were
■ well founded or not, let us call your attention to the scope and object of the
i Commission as set forth on the sixth pa£e of the copy sent you as follows : —
"That in the opinion of this House it is expedient that enquiry should be made
as to the truth or falsity of the allegations and charges last mentioned
(namely, u those formulated by the House itself as being the purport of com-
munications made to the House by you and other members") and that for
that purpose the House deems it proper and convenient that the evidence
relating to such allegations and charges should be taken by one or more Com-
missioners," etc. The Commission then proceeds to define the duties of the

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893 1

Commissioners, and finally directs them to report to the Secretary of State thej
evidence taken before them. It appears to us that your letter bears evidence;
of two misapprehensions on your part : —

1. That you have such a political responsibility towards the House arising
out of it3 final determination upon the matter submitted to the Commission as
your letter implies ;

2. That your assistance was asked for the purpose of putting yon inj
default upon the prosecution of }^our own charges.

The charges, as we view them, are formulated by the House, upon its
own responsibility as being in effect and substance charges which were madej
in the House. They were based, it is true, chiefly upon the statements made)
by you (presumably after careful scrutiny of the sources from which youij
information was derived) and it was solely because it was assumed that you
would be therefore, in an exceptional manner, able to aid the labours of thej
Commission, that, by the direction of the Government, as we above stated]
we requested your attendance and assistance.

From the above considerations it is evident that, so far as your objections!
are concerned, the only question material to be decided is, whether all thd
evidence which could have been legally adduced under your charges as madcj
in the House, would also be relevant under the charges as actually submitted
to the Commission. We submit that it is not at all competent for you tc
complain that the charges formulated by the House contain more than those
alleged by you, provided that the statements made by you to the House coulc
be relevantly proved as elements in the charges which the House' actually
made, and which it sent to the Commission for investigation.

Keeping these considerations in view, we will not refer to your objection!
seriatim : ,

With regard to the first objection that your tenth charge had been wil
fully omitted in the recital of your charges as made in the Commission, w<
can see no ground for it to rest on, nor even any explanation of your having
made it, other than that it was a mistake arising from a hurried and imperl
feet examination of the matter. That charge (your tenth) referred to electora
corruption in a large number of counties at a general election held five year
previously, and, as you very well know, the House refused to grant an inves
tigation of so extended a character, and concerning matters which might ver
well have formed the subject of election petitions in the several constituencie
mentioned if such petitions had been made in due time, and which actually
did form the subject of election petitions in some of them. It was omitte(
by Mr. Bowell in his amendment to your motion, and omitted, no doubt, pur
posely, because the House could not be asked to grant an inquiry upon tha
charge, as it was asked to do upon the subject and purport of the others. I
is, however, only necessary to say that the Commission cites verbatim th<
resolution of the House upon which it was based and does not justify you
charge of wilful omission. That resolution was debated at great length, a
you arc well aware, for in the debate you took a prominent part.

Now, as to your second objection, that said tenth charge contained matte
prave imporl and should have been referred for investigation, let us for tb
moment eliminate all that refers to the corrupt use of money in certain name-
counties for purposes of bribery which, as you know, the House refused t
investigate, because it was a matter which belonged to the ordinary courts t
be proceeded upon by election petitions, and not one which would, at tha
time, affect the rights or privileges of any member of the House, and let u

18 '

Edcrar versus ( laron.

•■^

ask : What remains in said charge? Only the allegation thai sums of money

obtained out of subsidies, or on the credit of subsidies granted to the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway Company, together with other sums obtained from
Gk>vernmen1 contractors were controlled and (list ributed by the direct authority
and with the knowledge of Sir Adolphe Caron for electoral corruption. TJiis
manifestly adds nothing to the previous charges except the general allegations,
that money to an amount not stated, had been contributed by persons not
named, or otherwise identified, and this money also had been corruptly used
by Sir Adolphe Caron. If you knew the persons from whom such other
monies had been obtained, you had an opportunity to mention them, or other-
wise render identification possible. If you did not know it is difficult to see
how you could justify the general charge, if, indeed, it was really intended to
add anything to those preceding it. We should suppose that you could not
expect an inquiry to be granted on so vague an allegation.

You, of course, are familiar with the practice of the courts in cases where
vague and general charges are made. The person promoting them is obliged
to particularize or to have his charge struck out, as giving no fair notice to
the opposite party of the nature and scope of the accusation.

Coming to the third objection, it is manifest by reading the commission,
that in so far as it refers to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway it is
founded upon a misquotation of the language of the commission. By looking
at your charges as recited in the resolution wbich is set forth in the commis-
sion we find that in your first charge you state the amount of subsidies that
had been granted and paid by the Dominion of Canada to the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company ; in your second you allege that arrange-
ments were made by the Railroad Company whereby the expenditure of such
subsidies should be made by a construction company, through or in conjunc-
tion with II. J. Beemer, a contractor, and that the said Beemer and those
who assisted him in financing for the said railway works received the benefit
of said subsidies. Then follow Nos. 3 and 4 referring to Sir Adolphe's posi-
tion in the Government, and his means of knowledge of the dealings with the
subsidies by the parties receiving them. Then follow Nos. 5 and 6 which
allege that Sir A. P. Caron corruptly received large sums of money out of said
subsidies or from money raised on their own credit from persons beneficially
interested in them ; and further that large sums of money were contributed
for corrupt election purposes out of said subsidies at the request of Sir A. P.
Caron.

The charges as set forth in the reference follow yours in alleging the
granting the subsidies, and the position of Sir A. P. Caron in the Government,
and by the third charge proceed as follows. " That during the said period
and while the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company was being con-
i structed in part by means of said subsidies the said Sir A. P. Caron knowingly
aided and participated in diverting said subssdies from the purposes for which
they had been granted by receiving (for election purposes from the said rail-
way company) or from a construction company, formed for the construction of
the said railway, or from one H. J. Beemer, a manager thereof, or contractor
of the said railway, large sums of money out of the said subsidies, and out of
moneys raised upon the credit of the same ; and also during the said period
did further knowingly so aid and participate, by obtaining from the said com-
panies, or one of them, the payment out of said subsidies and out of monies
raised by the said companies, or one of them, on the credit of the same, large
sums of money for election purposes, and to aid in the elections to the

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

tl ouse of Commons of the said Sir Adolphe P. Caron and other members and
supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

" That after some of the last mentioned payments were so obtained and
made, the said Sir A. P. Caron, in consideration thereof, corruptly aided and
assisted said companies to obtain other and further subsidies from the Dom-
inion Parliament."

In your letter you state your objection on this head as follows : — "It will
be observed that in each of my charges 5, 6, 8 and 9, I charged Sir A. P.
Caron with corruptly receiving money from persons who were beneficially
interested in said subsidies. This charge has been absolutely eliminated from
all parts of the reference to the Commissioners, and yet it cannot be denied
that it is one of the gravest character. To make up apparently for this omis-i
sion an entirely new charge or series of charges may be found in Mr. Bowell's;
statement which is referred to you for inquiry. In Mr. Bowell's charge three
(3), referring to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, it is alleged!
that Sir A.' P. Caron received large sums of money for election purposes from!
said railway company or from a construction company formed for the construc-
tion of said railway."

You will perceive upon examination that you have omitted from your
citation from charge three (3) of the reference, the following words : — " Or
from one H. J. Beemer as manager thereof, or contractor of the said railway."!
You have apparently overlooked your own second charge in which you des-
cribe the parties who were interested in said subsidies as follows :— " Arrange-i
ments were entered into by said railway company whereby the expenditure'
of said subsidies was made by construction company, through or in conjunc-
tion with one H. J. Beemer a contractor, and the said H. J. Beemer and those;
who assisted him in financing for the said railway works received the benefilj
of the said subsidies."

The Commission, as you will perceive, though not making use of the exacij
words used by you, varies your charge by specifically inserting the name o:
the person whom you declare (as indeed the proof is) have been beneficially
interested in the subsidies, and by omitting the general word upon which you
lay so much stress " persons beneficially interested in the subsidies." I refeJ
you again to the principles which regulate every fairly conducted enquiry and
which require that an accuser shall give fair notice to the opposite party o
the names of those in relation to whom he is accused of wrong-doing.

You will thus see that in the case of the Quebec and Lake St. John Raili
way Company, at least, the Commission specifically directs inquiry into ami
corrupt dealing with the subsidies granted to said railways by Sir Adolptoj
Caron, in conjunction, not only with the company itself, but also with all thos-J
who became entitled to handle said subsidies before they were expended ill
the actual construction of the road, or, to use your own phrase, with all thos<
•' who were beneficially interested therein."

With reference to the Temiscouata Eailway Company it is to be noted
thai you do not specify, as you did in the other case, the persons who wen
beneficially interested in the railway, but you content yourself with gener
language, viz.: "The persons who from time to time controlled the Temiscouat
Railway Company and the said subsidies, or who were beneficially intereste
in the said subsidies." This difference of expression on your part may ver
probably be explained by the fact that you knew (as you might easily hav
known by consulting public documents in the Railway Department, and th
sessional papers, and as the Government well knew), that the said railwa

20 ,

Edffar versus Caron.

company at all times controlled said subsidies and received them personally
from the Government. The evidence taken shows that the company contracted
with the linn of McDonald & Bosvvell lor (he construction of the work, but
the consideration of that contract was the transfer of all the assets of the
company, including the capital stock, to said McDonald & Boswell, so that the
latter became really the Temiscouata Railway Company although they kept
their construction account in the names of McDonald & Boswell.

We cannot think that under the circumstances above stated you could
seriously contend that the omission of the names "McDonald & Boswell" from
the reference, or the omission of the general language used by you above
recited could have rendered irrelevant evidence offered of the dealing with
said subsidies by McDonald & Boswell, in conjunction with Sir Adolphe Caron
for corrupt purposes. Such an objection was indeed made on the part of Sir
Adolphe Caron, but it was set aside as unfounded by the Commission.

But even if such evidence were irrelevant under the fifth of the reference,
I would it not be relevant under the seventh which reads as follows : " That the
said Sir A. P. Caron misappropriated public money for the purpose of corrupt-
ing the electors of Canada, to wit, a portion of the monies voted as subsidies
as hereinbefore stated." You say that Sir A. P. Caron either personally
received, from persons beneficially interested in the subsidies granted by
Parliament to the Temiscouata Railway Company, or that upon his request or
with his kuowledge such persons contributed large sums of money out of said
subsidies to aid supporters of the Government in the elections. We have but
to ask you whether such acts would constitute a misappropriation of public
money on the part of Sir A. P. Caron ? If they would, it is specially charged
in clause No. seven (7) of the reference. If they would not, why do you
complain of their omission from charges which you have repeatedly declared
to be charges of misappropriation of public money ?

Then follow the 8th, 9th and 10th clauses, which vary the statement of
the accusation against Sir A. P. Caron as to make every fact which would
tend to show corrupt dealing with the subsidies referred to by him, either
alone or in conjunction with others, admissible in evidence.

We cannot help thinking, if you will allow us to say so, that it was the
existence of these more serious charges, which, while containing all that you
had alleged, went so far beyond your accusation, that you shrank from even
appearing to support them, combined with what we think was a mistake as to
the nature of your responsibility in connection with the result of the Commis-
sion, which chiefly decided you to decline our request for your assistance.

We have however placed before the Commission fully and fairly all the
evidence relevant to the inquiry. We have called all the witnesses whom you,
mentioned as being likely to give evidence in the matter, together with others,
who, during the course of the investigation, it seemed proper to examine.

We have asked the Commission to adjourn and to meet again on a day
to be fixed, to formally close their labours, and, although the adduction of
evidence is understood to have been closed, still if you request it and give us
satisfactory reasons to believe that any other witnesses you may now wish to
name can give important evidence relevant to the inquiry, we shall apply for
a re-opening of the proceedings for the purpose of hearing such witnesses. We
enclose a copy of the depositions taken.

We are vour obedient servants,

J. S. ARCHIBALD,
F. J. BISAILLON.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893!

2T. B — The 19th of November instant has been fixed for the meeting otj
the Commissioners above mentioned.

J. S. A.
F. J. B.

The foregoing is a duplicate ot a letter mailed at Montreal to James 1).

Edgar, Q.C., M.P., Toronto, on the 14th day of November instant.

Montreal, 15th November, 1892.

J. S. ARCHIBALD,
F. J. BISAILLON,

Toronto, 16th November, 18^2.
To

J. S. Archibald, Esq., Q.C. and
F. J. Bisaillon, Esq., Q.C.

Re Caron Charges.

Gentlemen, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter
dated 9th instant, but which only left Montreal on the 14th and was received
by me yesterday. I have not yet had time to peruse with care the bulky
volume containing four hundred pages of evidence which }^ou forwarded to
me on the same day ; and moreover it would be premature of me to enter
upon criticism of the course of Counsel for the Crown, or of the rulings of
the Commissioners, until the proceedings are reported to the House of
Commons. You quote from your letter of the 5th September last, in which
you offer to place your professional services at my disposal to enable me to
substantiate the charges to be investigated by the Royal Commission. I gave
my reasons for not complying with the invitation by enclosing a copy of my
letter to the Commissioners, dated 13th September, and I need not repeat
them now. I will only say that my general view, to which I still adhere,
was, that some very important charges were wholly omitted from those
referred to the Commission, while others were garbled beyond recognition.

For reasons at which I can only guess, no reply whatever was vouched
to this letter. As to whether my views were concurred in by either the
Commissioners or the Counsel for the Crown, I was allowed to remain com-
pletely in the dark until yesterday, when all too late in the day, you dispute
some of my positions, and say that the Bowell charges were even broader
than my own. Why you did not announce these to be the views of the
Commissioners and yourselves until the material witnesses had all been
examined and dismissed, you do not attempt to explain.

I confess to unqualified surprise at your statements that Mr. Bowell's
charges were more serious than mine, that they contained all that I had
alleged, and thai they went so far beyond my accusations that I shrank from
even appearing to support them. I fear that your enthusiasm over your briefs
has somewhat affected your imaginations, for it can scarcely be believed that
Sit- A.doiphe ( laron's colleagues intended their charges to be more serious, or!
theh accusations against him to be more severe than mine. To state such aj
proposition is to refute it.

If, however, the proceedings under the Commission shall show that a
broader interpretation of some of the charges before them was given than I
had supposed would have been warranted by their language, I will frankly

Edgar versus Caron.

acknowledge it. It seems to be very deplorable that so many alterations were
made by Mr. Bowell in his revision of my accusations as not only to have led
myself but the public press and (as you stale) Sir Adolphe Caron's lawyers,
to the conclusion that there were essential and intentional differences in the
meaning of the two sets of charges.

Again, although you received in the middle of September, and before a

single witness had been called, my letter to the Commissioners fully stating

niv doubts as to the admission by them of evidence which I might produce in

Bupport of my original charges, it is not until every one of the witnesses I have

named have been examined that I have received the slightest intimation from

either yourselves or the Commissioners that any such evidence would be

| admitted. Without a wish to impute improper motives to any one, I cannot

! help feeling that those who are uncharitably disposed may be inclined to doubt

rhe frankness of your silence on this point — a silence that was carefully main-

i tained until every one of these witnesses had been examined. When that safe

, stage has been reached, I am told that the enquiry has a wider scope than

I was supposed, and I am now asked if I have any other witnesses to name. It

• seems to me that even the tactical advantage of this step of yours is doubtful,

i because it so manifestly comes too late. I may add that I am not at present

aware of any material witnesses in support of my original charges beyond

those named in my letter of 13th September last.

I. gather from the hasty glance I have been able to give the evidence that
even the restricted nature of the inquiry, and the unprecedented circumstances
! surrounding it did not prevent some startling revelations of a portion of the
facts upon which my charges were based. For these exposures you are entirely
indebted to the list that I gave of witnesses whom I would have called in sup-
port of my original charges. After I had furnished that list it would have
been impossible for you, (even if you had so desired) to refrain from calling
them.

When even the imperfect evidence elicited shall be made public, no one
will be at a loss to perceive why party political exigencies required that I
should have been refused an investigating committee of the House of Commons.
I am much mistaken if an aroused and indignant public opinion will not insist
that the full, fair, and open inquir}^ which I demanded from my place in
Parliament shall be granted next Session, and the partial disclosures made
shall be probed to the bottom.

I have the honour to be, gentlemen,
Your obedient servant,

J. D. EDGAR.

Montreal, Que,, 19th Nov., 1892.

James D. Edgar, Esq., Q.C., M.P.,
Toronto.

JRc Caron Charges.

Sik, — Your letter dated the 16th inst. reached us yesterday.

We note the following statement in your letter : u I may add that I am
not at present aware of any material witnesses in support of my original
charges beyond those named in my letter of 13th September last." We

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893;

must convey to you our thanks for this admission because it leaves no doubi
that the Commission has exhausted every source of information.

You do not controvert the soundness of the arguments of our letter of th ei
9th inst. with regard to the scope of the inquiry further than by what may
be called an argument urn ad absurdum which you state as follows : "I confes^
to unqualified surprise at your statements that Mr. BowelPs charges were
more serious than mine: that they contained all that I had alleged, and thai!
they went so far beyond my accusations that I shrank from even appearing to
support them. I fear that your enthusiasm over your briefs has somewhat!
affected your imagination, for it can scarcely be believed that Sir Adolphe's
colleagues intended their charges to be more serious or their accusation?!
against him to be more severe than mine."

You assume that we had asserted that Mr. Bowell and the members oi
the Government, colleagues of Sir Adolphe Caron, had made charges against
him, and that these were more grave than those made by you. This.assumpl
tion is altogether erroneous. The language of our letter to you on the .poimi
is as follows : —

aThe charges as we view them are formulated by the House -on its own
responsibility as being in effect and substance charges which were made in thej
House. They were based, it is true, chiefly upon statements made by you,' j
etc. We then proceeded to point out (as the Commission itself always does),
that your original charges were amplified in debate by you and other members
of the House, and that the reference was so drawn as to include all that had
been originally charged (with the exception of your tenth charge), and also all
that was alleged to be the meaning of said charges by yourself, Sir Richard
Cartwright and Honourable David Mills in the course of said debate, and thai
the interpretation of your charges by the gentlemen named gave to them a
graver import than their language implied. Neither did Hon. Mr. Bowell.i
nor did any member of the Government make any charges against Sir Adolphq
Caron ; but finding certain charges publicly made in the House against him.
they proposed to the House to cause them to be investigated by Royal Com-'
mission.

The remainder of your letter is taken up by a complaint that neither W€
nor the Commissioners had intimated to you that the scope of the investi!
gation was broader than you had supposed, until all the material witnesses
had been examined.

This is, we think, a peculiar complaint to come from you, a leading andl

rienced barrister, a member of the House of Commons, who took ad
active part in the debate upon the resolution of the House upon which tl i<
Commission was founded. If your real reason for not taking part in the
investigation as you were invited to do, was that you doubted whether the
evidence would be permitted to travel over ground deemed essential by you
why did you not present yourself and test the judgment of the Commission

ipon the point? It would have been quite competent for you to hav<
retired when you found yourself unduly restricted.

Yon were requested by Mr. Archibald's letter of the 9th September, tc|
appear al the investigation, and assist its work. He offered you his pre
istance for that purpose. You not only declined to assist, bin
stated that your self respect would be compromised by doing so. You di ^
not address your letter, stating your reasons for declining, to Mr. Archibald
bu1 you addressed it to the Commissioners themselves, where it would becom
pari of their record, sending at the same time a copy to Mr. Archibald.

Edffar versus Caron.

k©

Now you complain that neither we nor the Commissioners informed you

\ ou were in error as to scope of the inquiry, until all the material wit-

s had been examined, and you suggest want of frankness on our part.
hall not suggest want of sincerity on yours.

We cannot suppose that you expected the Commissioners to enter into a
jorr^spondence with you as to what judgment they would give upon the
admission of certain kinds of evidence. That would be contrary to their duty
as judges.

Did you then expect the Counsel for the Crown, to whom you had not
addressed your communication of the 13th Sept., to place his opinion against
yours so positively expressed, and to beg you again to assist in an inquiry in
in which you alleged your self respect would be compromised ? You relied
upon your own judgment as to the point in question. You declined Mr.
Archibald's offer of professional assistance, and you could not reasonably
expect that it would be renewed.

We thank you for the indirect assistance given to us in making public
the names of the persons whom you expected would give material evidence.
|When we had examined them all, in order to take every means of making the
enquiry as thorough as possible, we decided to write to you to ascertain
whether you knew of any other persons who ought to be examined. We did
not ask you in any way to depart from your previous course of non-interven-
tion, but only to do what you had previously done, make public the names of
all witnesses known to you. We desired to put on record a reply to your
letter of 13th Sept., (a right which you would surely not deny us) and we
availed ourselves of the occasion to communicate such reply to you.

We shall not follow you into your suggestions of want of frankness and
bad faith on our part. These may very well be left to be determined by the
public judgment founded upon the work which we have done.

We are your obedient servants,

J. S. ARCHIBALD.

F. J. BISAILLON.

I do swear that I will truly and faithfully, to the utmost of my abilities,
execute the office and duties of Royal Commissioner named by Letters Patent
of 16th June, 1892, to receive evidence on charges preferred against the Hon-
ible Sir A. P. Caron, KC.M.G. So help me God.

A. B. ROUTHIER.

'Sworn before me this 7th day of)
September, 1892, at Quebec. J

J. H. R. Burroughs,

Com. per Ded. Pot.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

I do swear that I will truly and faithfully, to the utmost of my abilities
execute the office and duties of .Royal Commissioner named by Letters Paten
of 16th June, 1892, to receive evidence on charges preferred against the Hon
ourable Sir A. P. Caron, KC.M.G. So help me God.

M. M. TAIT.
Sworn before me this 7th day of 1 ,

September, 1892, at Quebec. J

J. H. R. Burroughs,

Com. per Ded. Pot.

CANADA, ^

Province of Quebec, V

District of Quebec. J

COMMISSION" OF THE SECRETARY OF THE ROYAL COMMISSION,

We, the Honourable Adolphe Routhier and Melbourne M. Tait, Judge:
for the Superior Court for the Province of Quebec, by virtue of the power!
vested in us in our capacity of Royal Commissioners named by Letters Paten!
under the great seal of the Dominion of Canada, dated the sixteenth June on|
thousand eight hundred and ninety-two, to take evidence as to the truth oj
falsity of the charges preferred against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron!
K.C.M.G., and report to the Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canaclj
the evidence taken therein ; do hereby, nominate and appoint Gustave Fan
bault Hamel, of St. Mary, Beauce, advocate, the clerk and secretary of this com
mission.

Given under our seal in the city of Quebec, the sixth day of September
one thousand eight hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,

M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

CANADA,

Province of Quebec,
District of Quebec.

ROYAL COMMISSION.

I swear that I will discharge exactly and faithfully, to the best of rii
capacity, the office of clerk, to which I am appointed by the Royal Commi-
sion. So help me God.

GUSTAVE HAMEL.

iti before me at Quebec, this \
7th day of September, 1892. j

A. B. Routhier,

Commissioner.

Edgar versus ( !aft)ft.

CANADA,

Province oe Quebec,
Distrid of Quebec.

ROYAL COMMISSION.

I swear to fulfil exactly and faithfully, to the best of my ability, the duties
iographer to the Royal Commission appointed to take evidence as to
he truth or falsity of the charges preferred against the Honourable Sir
\dolphe P. Caron, K.C.M.G., and report them. And so help me God.

THOMAS P. OWENS.

•orn before me this 20th day 1
of September, 1892. /

A. B. ROUTHIER,

Royal Commissioner.

CANADA, ^|

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec. J

ROYAL COMMISSION

I swear to fulfil exactly and faithfully, to the best of my ability, the
>ffice and duty of stenographer to the Royal Commission appointed to take
vidence as to the truth or falsehood of the charges made against the Hon-
orable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, K.C.M.G., and report thereon. So help me God.

J. 0. MARCEAU.
5 worn before me this twentieth "I
clay of September, 1892. /

A. B. ROUTHIER,

Royal Commissioner.

CANADA,

Province of Quebec,
District ot Quebec.

ROYAL COMMISSION.

I appear on behalf of the Government of Canada,
Quebec, 8th September, 1892.

J. S. ARCHIBALD.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189 i

m THE MATTER OF THE ROYAL COMMISSION.

. Appointed under the Great Seal of the Dominion of Canada, for the pul
pose of taking evidence as to the truth or falsity of charges preferred again!
the Honourable Sir A. P. Caron, KC.M.G.

FIRST SITTING.

Thursday, 8th September, 1892.
The first meeting is held in the Court House, Quebec.

present :
The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier,
" Melbourne M. Tait,

Commissioners.

The Commissioners take their seats at 11.15 a.m., and announce thatM,
Gustave F. Ham el, of Quebec, advocate, has been appointed clerk and seer
tary of the Commissioners.

The secretary then reads the commission and also the certificate of J. I
R. Burroughs, Esq., commissioner per dedimus potestatem, stating that 1«
received the commissioner's oath of office.

Mr. J. S. Archibald, of Montreal, Q.C., appears on behalf of the Gover
ment of Canada, and states that he is instructed to act in the case as a Crow
prosecutor in a certain criminal suit. Mr. E. A. Pentland, Q.C., and Ml
Charles Fitzpatrick, appear on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron. The commissid
then adjourns to the 20th inst. the hearing of witnesses.

SECOND SITTING.

Tuesday, 20th September, 1892.
The Commissioners take their seats at 10.30 a.m.

Honourable Judge Routhier, Chairman of the Commissioners, states th;|
they have sent a letter to Mr. J. D. Edgar, Member of the House of Commoi
for West Ontario, notifying him to appear before them, but he hi
declined to do so, for the reason set forth in a letter now fyled in the record.

F. J. Bisaillon, Q. C, appears as counsel for the Government. A. Fe;
guson, Q.C., Ottawa, also appears as leading counsel for Sir A. P. Caron.

Matthew J. Dickieson, of the city of Ottawa, Chief Accountant of tn
Finance Department, is then sworn in and examined by Mr. Archibald c
behalf of the prosecutor and asked to produce all certificates from the Audit*
General, powers of attorney, cheques and vouchers, relating to the paymei
of the subsidies granted to the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway and tl
Temiscouata Railway.

Application is made by A. Ferguson, Q. C, leading counsel for the defeiu
on behalf of Sir Adolphe Caron to have a statement made of all these diff
nut accounts of subsidies paid so as to give them the opportunity of statin
if they admit these payments and thus avoid a great loss of time. Applicatid
i- rejected by the Commissioners on the objection raised by Messrs. Archibaij
and Bisaillon, Q. C, for the Government. The witness is then examined.

Mr. Archibald on behalf of the prosecution asks that the Commissione
adjourn until the 21st at 10.30 a. m. The Commission is adjourned accordingly

Edgar versus ( laron.

THIRD SITTING.

Wednesday, 21st September, 1892.

The Commission take their seats at 10.30 a. m.

Louis Kossuth Jones, Secretary to the Chief Engineer of the Railway
►epartment, Ottawa, is then examined and sworn on behalf of the Crown
5 M. Bisaillon, Q. C, and produces the following documents concerning

fie Lake St. John and Temiscouata Railway, which are fyled in exhibits

|>r the Crown.

At 4 p. m. Commission adjourns to the 22nd September, 1892, at 10.30 a. m.

FOURTH SITTING.

Thursday, 22nd September, 1892.

The Commissioners take their seats at 10.30 a. m.

Mr. J. G. Scott, Secretary to the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway and
,ake St. John Construction Company, is then examined by J. S. Archibald,
J. C, for the Crown and asked to produce all vouchers, documents, papers,
ontracts, &c, concerning said above companies and having any relation to the
aid companies, by the Federal Government.

The examination of Mr. J. G. Scott is continued until adjournment at
.30 to the 23rd September inst.

FIFTH SITTING.

Friday, 23rd September, 1892.
The Commissioners take their seats at 10.30 a. m.

Examination of J. G. Scott, Secretary to the Lake St. John Railway
Company, continued by J. Archibald for the Crown.

Objection is taken to the evidence of certain payments by way of gift or
oans by the Quebec & Lake St. John Construction Company to any electoral
ourposes for the election of Sir Adolphe Caron or his supporters.

A. Ferguson objects strongly to such evidence on behalf of Sir Adolphe
Caron, on the ground that it is not coming under the jurisdiction of the Com-
mission and not within the scope of the inquiry.

Mr. Charles Fitzpatrick also argues at length the same objection.

Messrs. Archibald and Bisaillon for the Crown contend that it is within
(the scope of the inquiry and that they have a right to show that large amounts
of money were thus paid to the electoral fund by the company to aid the
election of Sir Adolphe Caron or his supporters coming out of the Dominion
Government subsidies.

The Chairman overrules the objection on the ground that their Commis-
sion gives them the right, to inquire into such dealings as those referred to.

At 12.30 a. m., Mr. Fitzpatrick counsel for Sir Adolphe Caron, begins
the cross-examination of the witness.

At 1 p. m., adjournment until 2 p. m.

At two p. m., sitting is resumed and cross-examination of J. G. Scott
continued until 3 p. m.

Then witness is re-examined until adjournment at 4 p. m., to the next
morning at 10.30 a. m.

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SIXTH SITTING.

Saturday, 24th September, 1892.
The Commissioners take their seats at 10.30 a. m.

The following witnesses are called, James Geggie, Frank Eoss, of tl
city of Quebec, and Henry James Beemer, of the city of Montreal.

Messrs. Geggie and Beemer are present and the latter is then examine
by J. S. Archibald, Q. C, for the Crown and asked to produce several docil
ments concerning his different transactions with the Lake St. John Railw*
Company and Construction Company.

Mr. Fitzpatrick on behalf of Sir Adolphe Caron moves for an adjoui
ment until Thursday the 29th instant, in order to facilitate the production
said documents by witness. He also asks that only those books and document
which have some reference to the matters now inquired into, be produced ai
that for that purpose they be examined by witness before the counsels of bot
parties and further submitted for approbation to the Commissioners.

J. S. Archibald, Q. C, for the Crown says he has no objection to su<
adjournment and the motion is granted.

The Commission then adjourns till Thursday, 29th September, 1892,
10.30 a. m.

SEVENTH SITTING.

Thursday, 29th September, 1892.
The Commission take their seats at 10.30 a. m.

The names of Messrs. Israel Tarte, Thomas McGreevy, Frank Ross, Jam*
Geggie, Antoine Bonheur, Wm. Dean, Manager of the Quebec Bank,
H. J. Beemer are called.

Messrs. Tarte, Beemer and I >ean are present.

The chairman reads a telegram from Honourable Thomas McGreevjj
stating that he would be before the Commission the next day, 30th instant.

H. J. Beemer, of the city of Montreal, contractor for the construction of
portion of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company is then examine*)
by J. S. Archibald, Q. C, for the Crown.

1 1 is examination is interrupted for a few minutes to allow Mr. J. G. Scotij
Secretary to the Lake St. John Railway Company, to produce certain docvjt
ments which are filed in the record.

Mr. Beemer's examination is then continued. The witness being aske

iv i! he has in his possession accounts of political subscriptions to the elec
tion of Sir Adolphe Caron or his supporters from 1882 to 1891, and if he di<;
subscribe to such fund.

Mr. A. Ferguson, Q.C., on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron, objects to suci
questions

Mr. C. Fitzpatrick also argues at length the same objection.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C., on behalf of the Crown, answers.

Judge Routhier, Chairman of the Commission, overrules the objection, !

Mr. Beemer having answered that he had in his possession an accouu:
book <>!' monies Bpent for election purposes, is ordered to produce it on motioi
from Mr. Archibald, Q.C.

At 4 p.m. witness returns in court without the books, which he could no!
find, and promises fco produce them the next morning.

Commission then adjourns until to-morrow, 30th ins't., at 10.30 a.m. .

Edgar versus Caron.

EIGHTH SITTING.

Friday, 30th Sept., 1892.
Commissioners meet at 10.30 a.m.

Hon. Geo. Irvine, Q.C., appears on behalf of II. J. Beemer and asks the

[mission to be allowed to consult with his client before the latter be
imined any further. Application is granted and Honourable Thomas
.K'Greevy is then examined by counsel for the Crown.

In answer to the question asking him to produce all documents, account
►ooks, &c, in his possession, having reference to the matters enquired into,
\ itness states that he has no such documents except receipts which he could
i \i tind but which he would produce as soon as discovered.

W. R. Dean, manager pro tempore of the Quebec Bank, is afterwards
xamined by J. S. Archibald, Q.C., and produces a statement or extract from
|he books of the bank giving the liability of H. J. Beemer with the bank and
lie late J. S. Ross.

At 2 p.m. Mr. Beemer's evidence is taken up and continued. Witness
producing statement asked for by the Crown.

At 5 p.m. Commission adjourns to next morning at 10.30.

ninth sitting.

Saturday, 1st Oct., 1892.
Commissioners meet at 10.30 a.m.

Mr. James Geggie is examined by J. S. Archibald, Q.C., and produces
ilocuments concerning the financial relations between Hon. J. S. Ross and H.
[T. Beemer, and having reference to political subscriptions from 1882 to 1891.

Mr. Chs. Fitzpatrick, on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron, cross-examined
witness.

Mr. Dean is recalled to produce certain documents.

Commission adjourns until Tuesday, 4th October, at 10.30 a.m.

TENTH SITTING.

Tuesday, 4th October, 1892.
The Commission take their seats at 10.30 a.m.

The names of Messrs. J. J. MacDonald, A. R. MacDonald, E. D. Boswell,
A Grandbois, Thomas McGreevy, Frank Ross, R B. Dumoulin, Israel Tarte,
Krnest Wurtle ; and then called

Honourable Thomas McGreevy, is asked by J. S. Archibald, Q. C, on

•ehalf of the Crown, to produce the papers and documents, which he was

ordered to produce by the Commissioners when previously examined, and

that he is unable to do so, having searched for them unsuccessfully, but

\ ill try and find them, and if so, will produce them on Friday.

The Chairman reminds witness that the next time he comes back before
he Commissioners he must be in a position to state whether or not he has lost
*uch papers.

The examination of Ernest Wurtle, of the city of Quebec, accountant of
Mr. Beemer, is then taken up.

Mr. Archibald then declares that he has finished for the moment with
the enquiry concerning the Lake St. John Railway matter and will now
examine witness in reference to the Temiscouata Railway subsidies.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18!

A. R. Macdonald, Superintendent of the Quebec Division of the Interc]
lonial Railway Co., is then examined by Mr. Bissaillon, Q.C., on behalf of tl
Crown.

Mr. Bisaillon, for the Crown, moves that when the Commission adjoui
it stands adjourned until Tuesday next so as to allow him to have witness*
summoned, and read a rule ordered against them in case of refusal to atten(
By Mr. A. R. Macdonald's evidence, it appears that his is only incidental
that of Messrs J. J. McDonald and E. D. Boswell, who are really the mo,j
important witnesses in this matter of the Temiscouata Railway, being
possession of all the papers and documents belonging to the Company.

His Honour Judge Tait, Commissioner, complains of the loss of til
resulting from these repeated adjournments, drawing the Counsel for
Crown's attention to the fact that the subpoena to the last mentioned witnes
had not been sent in time. As far as he is concerned he is not disposed
grant any further adjournment after this last one.

J. S. Archibald, Q. C, on behalf of the Crown, states that he has act
with all possible diligence, and cannot be held responsible for the noi
appearance of Messrs. McDonald and Boswell, these gentlemen having h
their domicile some days ago. Of course the Commissioners are aware tl
the prosecution have worked in the dark to a certain extent.

Dr. Grandbois, M. P. for the County of Temiscouata, is then examine
by Mr. Bisaillon, and subsequently cross examined by Mr. Ferguson, Q. (|

The Commissioners adjourn at 4 p. m. until Tuesday the 11th instant,
10.30 a. m.

ELEVENTH SITTING.

Tuesday, 11th October, 1892.

The Chairman of the Commission, Honourable Mr. Routhier, adjoui
the Commission until Tuesday the 18th October instant, because of the n<
appearance of the necessary witnesses.

TWELFTH SITTING.

Tuesday, 18th October, 1892.

Honourable A. B. Routhier, Chairman of the Commission, takes
seat at 10.30 a. m., and states that the Commission will remain adjoun
until Tuesday, the 26th instant,

The attornies for the defence, Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Fitzpatrick, bei
unable to attend before that date.

THIRTEENTH SITTING.

Wednesday, 26th October, 1892.
Commissioners meet at 10.30 a. m.

1 1 onourable Thomas McGreevy reappears and is asked by J. S. Archibald
Q.O., for tin- Crown, to produce the papers, orders, etc., which he was ordere(
to ). rot luce, but only agrees to read them and have copies taken by th*
stenographers. Ee is then examined, de novo, in relation to these document:
and cross-examined by Mr. Pentland on behalf of Sir Adolphe Caron.

John J. McDonald, railway contractor, is then examined by J. S. Archi
bald, Q.O., for the Crown. Is a member of the firm of McDonald & Boswell
and lives in River <lu Loup.

Edaur versus ( 'aron.

During his examination, witness is asked to say if one of the considers
ions of the transfer made to McDonald & Boswell by the Temiscouata Railway
Jompany was that the said McDonald & Boswell would subscribe money to

-lection of Sir Adolphe Oaron or any of his supporters.

An objection is raised by A. Ferguson on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron.

Judge Routhier, Chairman of the Commissioners, overrules the objection,
aying that the question is only preliminary, and it will remain for the Crown
i prove some connection between Sir A. P. Caron and the obtaining of the
\ from the contractors.

E. D. Boswell, of the firm of McDonald & Boswell, is then examined.

Commission adjourns at 4 p.m. until to-morrow, Thursday, 27th October.

FOURTEENTH SITTING.

Commissioners meet at 10.30 a.m.

E. D. Boswell continues his evidence until 12 m., when P. B. Dumoulin,
manager of the Quebec branch of La Banque du Peuple, is also examined by
| he Crown and asked to produce the books of deposit, or of account, of Sir A.
?. Caron from 1882 to 1891, in said bank, and states that to his knowledge
Sir A. P. Caron never had any account at his bank during that period.

The Commissioners adjourn until 2 p.m.

F. Ross is examined by the Crown and states he has no knowledge what-
ever of anything connected with this enquiry.

"W. R. Dean, of the Quebec bank, is examined, de novo, by J. S. Archibald,
;md cross-examined by Mr. Ferguson on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron.

A. R. McDonald is examined also, de novo, in relation to certain
igreements referred to by J. J. McDonald in his examination in relation
to the Temiscouata Railway Company transfer to McDonald & Boswell, to the
effect that subscriptions to the electoral fund were then mentioned, and states
j'hat such is not the case. He further argues that he does not know what has
oecome of the $25,000 subsidy of the town of Fraserville to said Railway Com-
pany, as J. J. McDonald has never thought proper to account to him.

Israel Tarte, of the city of Montreal, journalist, shareholder of the Temis-
couata Railway Company, and still one of its directors, is then examined by
phe Crown through J. S. Archibald, Q.C.

This closes the evidence on behalf of the Crown.

J. A. Ferguson, on behalf of Sir A. P. Caron, asks that he be allowed to
examine his client, and is permitted to do so.

Sir Adolphe P. Caron, Postmaster-General of Canada and Privy Councillor
:>f Her Majesty for Canada, is then examined, and gives his story of his con-
nection with the Lake St. John and Temiscouata Railway Companies.

He is subsequently cross-examined by J. S. Archibald, Q.C.

Evidence is declared to be closed on both sides, and Commission adjourns
to report.

FIFTEENTH SITTING.

Saturday, 19th November, 1892.

Commissioners meet at 10.30 a.m.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C, on behalf of the Crown, states that he has sent Mr.
[Edgar, M.P. for the West Riding of Ontario, copy ot the evidence and a letter
itiled in the record on the 16th instant, requesting him to say whether he had

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any more witnesses k> suggest, and if so that they might be examined. H;
also states that an answer was also received, which is produced and filed.

Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C., for the Crown, and C. Pentland, on behalf of Sir A
P. Caron, are present in court.

Commissioners then adjourn to report.
Certified correct.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk E. C.

Edgar versus ( Jaron.

LIST OF WITNESSES EXAMIJS'KD.

1892.

Sept. 20th. — Matthew G. Dickieson, Chief Accountant of Finance De-
partment, Ottawa.
" 21st. — Louis Kossuth Jones, Secretary to the Chief Engineer of

Railway Department, Ottawa.
" 22nd. — J. G. Scott, Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway and Lumbering and Trading Company, Quebec.
" 24th. — Horace James Beemer, railway contractor, Montreal.
" 29th do do denovo.

" 30th. — James Scott, de novo.
" 30th. — H. J. Beemek, de novo.
" 30th. — Hon. Thomas McGreevy, Quebec.

" 30th. — William R. Dean, Manager ad interim of the Quebec Bank,
Quebec.
Oct. 1st. — James Geggie, of the City of Quebec.
" 4th. — Hon. Thomas McGreevy, de novo.
" 4th. — Ernest Wurtele, of the City of Quebec.

" 4th. — A. R. McDonald, Superintendent of Quebec Division Inter-
colonial Railway, Granville.
" 4th. — Dr. Grandbois, M.P., Fraserville, P.Q.
'• 26th. — Hon. Thomas McGreevy, de novo.
" 26th. — John J. McDonald, railway contractor, Fraserville.
" 26th.— E. I). Boswell, of the firm of McDonald & Boswell, Fraserville.
" 27th.— do do do

" 27th. — P. B. Dumoulin, Manager of La Banque du Peuple, Quebec.
" 27th. — Frank Ross, Quebec.
" 27th.— W. R. Dean, de novo.
" 27th. — A. R. McDonald, de novo.
" 27th. — J. Israel Tarte, journalist, Montreal.
*c 27th. — Sir A. P. Caron, KC.M.G., Postmaster-General of Canada.

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Quebec, 20th September, 1892.

The Royal Commission to enquire as to the truth or falsity of certain
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe R Caron, Member of the
House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of Her Majesty's
Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, met at the City of Quebec this
morning for the purpose of taking evidence in reference to such charges.

Present : — The Honourable Basile Routhier, and The Honourable Mel-
bourne M. Tait, Commissioners.

Mr. J. S. Archibald, Q. C, and Mr. Bisaillon, Q. C, appeared for the
Crown.

Mr. Ferguson, Q. C, Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q. C, and Mr. Pentland, Q. C,
appeared for the Honourable Sir A. P. Caron, who was also present in person.

Matthew G. Dickieson, Chief Clerk of the Department of Finance,
Ottawa, aged forty three (43) years, being duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C. —

Q. — Mr. Dickieson, are you in possession of the warrants and cheques and
certificates relating to the payment of the subsidies granted to the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company ? — A. I am.

Q. These are the original documents in the Department of Finance? —
A. Yes, sir.

Q. You have also the same documents which relate to the payment of the
subsidies to the Temiscouata Railway ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. These I presume are documents which belong to the Department ? —
A. They belong to the Department.

Q. You are prepared, I presume, to allow copies of them to be taken ? —
A. Oh, yes.

Q. Will you now produce these documents, first beginning with the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company ; will you please just state what
is the general nature of these documents which you are producing ? — A. I
produce the certificates ; we call them certificates, they are the authorization
for the cheques.

Q. The certificates are the authorization ; whose authorization ? — A. They
are the authorization of the Attorney General.

Q. Perhaps you had better explain the manner in which these payments
are made, the necessary proceedings to obtain payment of a subsidy ? — A. To
explain one will explain all. The process is by the Audit Act. When an
application is made by a Department for a certain payment to be made.

Q. When you say the Department, you mean the Department affected
by the payment? — A. Yes, the Department, in this case, of Railways and
Canals. The Auditor, being satisfied that the payment should be made, issues
this certificate ; the wording of the whole of them is about the same. It

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-states in the first place what the money is for. This first one is for a subsidj
for ten (10) miles, of three thousand two hundred dollars ($3,200.00) per mild
making thirty two thousand dollars. The Auditor then certifies that th
cheque may issue and signs it, sending this to the Finance Department. Thj
cheque is made out in the Finance Department, signed by the Deputy d
Finance, or an Officer acting for him, and sent back to the Auditor General)
who also signs it or an officer for him. The cheque is then- handed to thi
party entitled to receive it, if he is present, or sent to the Department, bj
whom it is sent to the person in whose favour it is drawn. For instance, thi]
first cheque.

Q. Is that the first cheque in point of time that you have referring tj
this matter? — A. Yes, that is the first cheque issued. I now produce thi]
first cheque dated the seventeenth day of November, one thousand eight hun!
dred and eighty three, it is for twenty four thousand three hundred and fiftj
five dollars and fifty five cents ($24,355.55). That was in part payment of thj
thirty two thousand dollars ($32,000.00). From the document before me
understand that there was at that time the balance between the twenty fou:
thousand dollars ($24,000.00) and thirty two thousand dollars ($32,000.00) du<
to the Customs Department, and an entry was made debiting the Lake St
John subsidy and crediting the Customs. We did not pay the whole thirty
two thousand dollars ($32,000.00) in cash, but the seven thousand dollar:
($7,000.00) was taken in payment of the Customs.

Q. So that that cheque really represents a payment by the Governmen
of thirty two thousand dollars ? — A. Yes, sir.

The witness produces the cheque with certificate attached and files it as
exhibit (D 1) at enquete.

Q. Now, the second cheque ? — A. The second cheque is dated the fifth
day of May, one thousand eight hundred and eighty five. It was paid to th(
Bank of Montreal under a power of attorney for the Quebec & Lake St. Johr
Railway, and the amount is thirty-seven thousand and twenty-seven dollar*
($37,027.00).

Q. Does the certificate show what it is for ? — A. It is a subsidy to the
Quebec & Lake St. John Railway.

Q. Does this indicate on what particular portion of that Railway ; is iti
the first, or second, or third ten miles ? — A. The certificate does not say. It!
was issued on the authority of a report of the Chief Engineer dated on the!
8th day of April, 1885, and there is an Order in Council of the twentysecond
day of April, 1885.

Q. You say that this was paid to the Bank of Montreal under power of
attorney ; are you in possession of that power of attorney ? — A. The power
of attorney is here.

Q. Is the power of attorney attached to the cheque ? — A. Yes.

The witness produces the cheque together with the power of attorney1
x hi hit (1) 2) at enquete.

Q. Now, with regard to the third cheque ? — A. The third cheque wasi
issued on the twenty second day of September, one thousand eight hundred'
and eighty five (1885). It is payable to the Quebec Bank. The previous
power of attorney has been rescinded and a second one to the Quebec Bank!
substituted. The amount is thirty-eight thousand three hundred and seventy-
five dollars ($38,375.00).

Q. [s there any certificate or any special information on the certificate
concerning it?— A. The authority is a letter from the Chief Engineer of the

Eclair versus Caron.

th day of September, and an Order in Council of the fifteenth day of Sep-
ember, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five (1885).

Q. And simply "specifies that it is for the Quebec & Lake St. John liail-

? —A. Yes, sir.

Q. Have you any special document which cancels the previous power of
ittorney to the Bank of Montreal? - A. No, I have not.

The witness produces cheque and power of attorney to the Quebec Bank
\hibit (D 3) at enquete.

Q. Now, the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is for twenty-seven
housand eight hundred and forty dollars ($27,840.00). It is dated on the
j.iineteenth day of November, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five
85).

Q. To whom is that cheque made payable? — A. It is payable to the
(Quebec Bank. This certificate contains a little more than any of the others.
; I says "subsidy due on fourth ten mile section," and it is by Order in Council
pf the sixteenth day of November.

Q. Does it say the total amount of the subsidy ; it does not seem to be the
jtotal amount of the subsidy that would be due ; is there any further explana-
tion ? — A. There is no explanation.

The witness produces the cheque and certificate as exhibit (D 4) at
jenquete.

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is a payment of
jtwenty-four thousand five hundred and thirty-two dollars ($24,532.00), also to
jthe Quebec Bank. The cheque is dated on the twentieth day of January, one
(thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886) and is authorized by an Order
iin Council on the eighteenth day of January. It is between the fortieth and
| fiftieth mile.

The witness produces the certificate and cheque as exhibit (D 5) at
| enquete.

Q. What about the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated on the
twenty second day of February, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six
|(1886). It is for ninety-six thousand dollars ($96,000.00) to the order of the
i Quebec Bank for the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, and is
; authorized by an Order in Council on the seventeenth day of February.

The witness produces cheque and certificate, which is filed as exhibit
(D 6) at enquete.

Q. By the way, the Quebec Bank referred to, is that the Quebec Bank
having an Ottawa branch? — A. Yes, sir. When the Quebec Bank is referred
to it is paid always to the Ottawa branch of the bank. The next cheque is
for six thousand dollars ($6,000.00), on the twenty-second day of July, one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886). It is authorized by Order in
i Council of the thirteenth day of said July.

Q. Paid to the Quebec Bank likewise ? — A. Paid to the Quebec Bank
likewise.

The witness produces the cheque and certificate attached which is filed as
exhibit (D 7) enquete.

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is for eighty-three
thousand six hundred and eighty-eight dollars ($83,688.00). It is dated the
ninth day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-six (1886), and it is authorized by an Order in Council of the
twenty-ninth day of September, 1886.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18&j

Q. And likewise paid to the Quebec Bank ? — A. Likewise paid to thj !
Quebec Bank.

The witness produces the cheque and certificate as exhibit (D 8) enquefr n

Q. "What about the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is for thre!'
thousand three hundred and ten dollars ($3,310.00), and is dated the thirteenth
day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred ana'
eighty-six (1886) and is authorized by Order in Council of the seventh of sai<|
December.

Q. Also paid to the Quebec Bank ? — A. Also paid to the Quebec Bank

The witness produces the cheque and certificate which is filed as exhibii
(D 9) at enquete.

Q. "What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is for forty eighi
thousand seven hundred and forty-seven dollars ($48,747.00) in favour of thj
Quebec Bank, dated on the twenty-third day of December, in the year on>j
thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886) and authorized by Order hi
Council of the seventeenth day of said December.

"Witness produces cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 10).

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated on th<
fifteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seveij
(1887), for sixty thousand four hundred and seventy-four dollars ($60,474,001
in favour of the Quebec Bank.

"Witness produces the cheque and certificate which is filed as (D 11) a]
enquete.

Q. Are these all signed in the same way ? — A. They are all signed ; the^|
are all signed or receipted by the officer of the Bank; the first one is receiptee
by the Secretary-Treasurer of the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Comi
pany.

Q. And the certificates of the Auditor-General bearing the receipts ol!
the payee ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. All the documents that you have produced, in the right hand columr
bear the receipt of the payee of the cheque ? — Yes, that is the signature oi
Mr. Noel of the Quebec Bank. In the first certificate or two the receipt is
signed on the right hand corner at the top.

Q. But in all cases the certificates bear the receipt of the payee ? — In all
cases. Yes, sir.

Q. "What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated on tin
thirty first of August in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
seven (1887). It is in favour of the Quebec Bank for one hundred and threej
thousand four hundred and seventy-nine dollars ($103,479.00).

Q. It is receipted by the officers of the Quebec Bank ? — A. It is receipted!
by one of the officers of the Quebec Bank.

The witness files cheque and certificate as exhibit (D 12) at enquete.

Q. "What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is for eighty-five
thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars ($85,814.00) dated the twenty
second day of October, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-!
seven (1887) and in favour of the Quebec Bank.

Q. It bears the receipt of whom ? — A. This bears the receipt of J. H.
Pinney.

Q. Who is he ? — A. He is an officer of the bank.

Witness produces cheque and certificate which is filed as exhibit (D 13)
at enquete.

Edgfar versus ( Jaron.

Q. Whal is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated ou the ninth

if April, one thousand eight hundred and eight-eighl (188o), and is for
forty two thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars ($42,720.00) in favourof
he Quebec Bank and is signed by C. V. N"oel, the Manager of the Bank.

Witness produces cheque and certificate which is tiled as ex hi hit (D 14)

iquete.

(,). What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the
twenty-seventh day of February, one thousand eighl hundred and eighty-uine
(1889), and is for nineteen thousand nine hundred and eleven dollars ($19,911).
It is in favour of the Quebec Bank for the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company, and is also signed for by Mr. JSToel, Manager of the Quebec Bank.
This cheque was issued in virtue of an Order in Council of the sixteenth day
of February.

Witness produces cheque and certificate as exhibit (D 15) at enquete.

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next*cheque is dated on the twenty-
fifth day of October, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-nine (1889) and
is for thirty-eight thousand four hundred and forty dollars ($38,140) in favour
of the Quebec Bank and is receipted by Mr. Piddington, an officer of the
hank.

Q. Is it by virtue of any Order in Council? — Yes, an Order in Council
of the twelfth day of October.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 16) at enquete.

What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the sixteenth
1 lav of January, in the year one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1891)
and is for twenty thousand eight hundred dollars ($20,800). It is in favour
of Frank Ross. The previous power of attorney is clone away with, and
another substituted. It is issued by authority of Order in Council of the
ninth day of said January.

Q. And is receipted? — A. I fancy that this cheque must have been sent
to the department. There is no receipt on the certificate. The practice is
to send cheques sometimes to the department. Mr. Ross in whose favour that
was drawn lived in Quebec, I suppose, and the department that asks for a
cheque has the cheque sent to them, and they would transmit it to the party.
When the party is in Ottawa the cheque is delivered personally

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 17) at enquete.

Q. What endorsement do you find on that cheque ? — A. The endorse-
ment is " pay to the order of Ross & Co., in liquidation." " Frank Ross for
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company." It is endorsed by ■" Ross
&Co., in liquidation for Frank Ross," and then it seems to have been deposited
in the Quebec Bank, Montreal, as they endorsed it "pay to the order of the
Quebec Bank, Montreal, for collection on account of Quebec Bank, Quebec,
James Stevenson, General Manager, for the Quebec Bank, Thomas McDou gall,
Manager."

Q. With regard to exhibit D 17, of course after a cheque is paid by the
bank it is returned by the bank to the department? — A. Yes, sir. The
next cheque is dated on the thirteenth day of February, in the year one thou-
sand eight hundred and ninety-one, for fourteen hundred dollars. It is in
favour of Frank Ross also, and it is authorized by Order in Council of the
second of said February.

Q. Is the certificate receipted in this case? — A. The certificate is not
receipted.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189c'

Q. What endorsement does the cheque bear? — A. " Frank Ross for th <
Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Company." " Ross & Co. in liquidation, Jamd
Geggie," and "for credit Quebec Bank, James Stevenson, cashier."

Q. For credit of Quebec Bank, is that at Ottawa? — A. That I fancy 1
the endorsation of the Quebec Bank here, to be placed to the credit of th
Quebec Bank at Ottawa.

Cheque with certificate filed as exhibit (D 18).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on tw
twentieth day of February, one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1891'
for fifteen thousand one hundred and fifty dollars ($15,150.00). It is in favoni
of Frank Ross for the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Company, and:)
authorized by Order in Council of the seventeenth of said February. Thj
cheque is endorsed by Frank Ross for Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Conj
pany, and " John Ross & Co. in liquidation for credit Quebec Bank, J. SteveiH
son, cashier."

Q. In this case also the certificate is not receipted ? — A. It is not receipted

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 19).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on till
twenty-seventh day of February, one thousand eight hundred and ninety-od
(1891), and is for twenty-six thousand three hundred dollars ($^6,300.00). M
is in favour of Frank Ross for Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Company, U
endorsed by Frank Ross for Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Company, ani
re-endorsed by John Ross & Co., in liquidation, and for credit Quebec Banli
J. Stevenson, cashier.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 20).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on tl:i
thirtieth day of April, one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1891},
for six thousand seven hundred dollars ($6,700.00) in favour of Frank Ros
for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, is endorsed p. p. Fran
Ross, James Geggie, " for the Quebec Bank, Thomas H. Jones, Accountan
endorsation guaranteed."

Q. This one bears the statement that it is for subsidy under 51 Vic, caji
3, does it not? — A. Yes, sir, it is authorized by Order in Council of thl
eighteenth day of April, 1891.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D 21).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on tlj
seventeenth day of October, one thousand eight hundred and ninety one (18911
for nine thousand six hundred dollars, in favour of Frank Ross, Quebec anL
Lake St. John Railway Company, is endorsed by Frank Ross for Quebec anh
Lake 81 John Railway Company, John Ross & Co., in liquidation, deposl
credit Quebec Bank, Quebec, J. Stevenson, Cashier. This is issued undi
authority 58 Vic, Cap 2, by Order in Council of the eighteenth day of Mail
IS!)].

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (E> 22).

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is for four thousanj
five hundred and twenty two dollars and seventy three cents ($4,522.73) !
dated thirteenth day of November, in the year one thousand eight hundrd
and ninety one (1891) in favour of Frank Ross, Quebec and Lake St. Joh
Railway Company, is endorsed for Frank Ross, Quebec, for Quebec and \aiV
St. John Railway, and deposit of credit of Quebec Bank, Quebec, J. Stevenso
( icn«i;il Manager. It is issued under authority 53 Vic, cap. 2, and is also und<
authority of Order in Council of the fifteenth day of October, 1891.

Edg-ar versus Caron.

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Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (I). 23).

Q. These are all the subsidies paid to the Quebec and Lake St. John
ailway Company down to the year one thousand eight hundred and ninety-
ie (1891)? — A. Yes. I also produce with reference to the first thirty-two
lousand dollars ($32,000.00) paid, the authority, charging to the Quebec and
ake St. John Railway Company seven thousand six hundred and forty-four
>llars and forty-five cents ($7,v>44.-l5) ; that is Customs duties which J attach

hibit (D 1).

Q. I presume these are Customs duties on materials imported by the
ilway ? — A. I do not know anything about that.

Q. What is the total amount of the subsidies of which you have given
ddence ? — A. The total amount is eight hundred and thirty-two thousand
ght hundred and twenty-seven dollars and seventy-three cents ($832,827.73).

Q. That is down to the year one thousand eight hundred and ninety -
le? — A. Yes. I produce also a summary statement of the said subsidies
om exhibit (L) 1) to exhibit (D 23), said statement being marked (D 24).

(I Will you now proceed to produce the documents with regard to the
ivments on account of the subsidies paid to the Temiscouata Railway Coni-
iny? — A. The first payment is by two cheques dated the fourteenth day of
pptember, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven (1*87), one on the
lolsous Bank, Montreal, in favour of C. A. Pipon, Manager of the Molsons
ank, Toronto, for Temiscouata Railway Company, ten thousand dollars ; and
i the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa, for forty five thousand nine hundred and
rty-six dollars ($45,946.00) in favour of the same party. It is authorized
'; order in Council of the ninth of September, 1887. It is endorsed by
harles A. Pipon, Manager for collection and credit of the Molson's Bank,
ipronto, for the Molsons Bank, James Elliott, Manager, T. A. M.

Q. The first cheque for ten thousand dollars is endorsed how ? — It is
dorsed by C. A. Pipon. Manager for collection and credit of the Molsons
ank, Toronto, C. A. Pipon, Manager.

Q. Where is the authority for putting it that way? — A. It is a power of
torney from the Temiscouata Railway Company to Charles Pipon signed
the President of the Company, A. R. McDonald.

Q,. Is it in favor of Pipon personally, or Pipon as agent of the Bank ?

As Pipon, Manager of the Bank. It is signed Charles A. Pipon, Manager
the Branch Molson's Bank in the city of Toronto.

Q. Can you say why the sum was divided in two cheques ? — A. Yes, we
id not money enough in the Molsons Bank ; we never keep a large sum in
e Molsons Bank.

Q. And so, one of the cheques was drawn on the Molsons Bank at
ontreal? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. And one upon the Bank of Montreal at Ottawa ? — A. Yes.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (DTI.)

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the fifth
iy of October, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven (1887). It is
r fifty-four thousand two hundred and forty-eight dollars (S54.248.00) in
veur of the Molsons Bank, Toronto, for the Temiscouata Railway Company.
is authorized by an Order in Council of the first of said October and is
idorsed by Charles A. Pipon, Manager for collection and credit of the Molsons
iank, Toronto, C. A. Pipon, Manager.

Cheque and certificate filed as "exhibit (D T 2).

97_ %

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18|

Q. AVhat is the next cheque? — The next cheque is dated on the twenjl;
ninth day of November, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven (18m
it is for forty-four thousand eight hundred and six dollars ($44,806.00), alsoll
the order of Charles A Pipon, Manager of ihe Molsons Bank, Toronto, ifl
authorized by Order in Council of the twenty-eighth of said November aft
endorsed by Charles A. Pipon, Manager for collection and credit ofBankil
Montreal, Toronto, C. B rough, Manager.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 3).

(v). What is the next cheque?— A. The next cheque is dated on the thiH
first day of December, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven (18q|
it is for eleven thousand one hundred and eighty-four dollars ($11, 184.B
payable to the order of Charles A. Pipon, Manager of the Molsons Baft
Toronto, for Temiscouata Railway Company. It is endorsed by Charlesl
Pipon, Manager and for collection and credit of Bank of Montreal, Toroin
C. Brough, Manager.

Q. What is the signature at the bottom? — A. These are Mr Bradldfc
initials, A. P. B. It indicates that the cheque was sent to the Department.
Railways and Canals to be sent to Mr. Pipon at Toronto.

Q. As a matter of fact it is probable that all of these cheques which I
not receipted upon the certificates were sent by you to the Departments
Railways. — A. I have no doubt of it.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 4).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on I
thirteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight. It
is for fifty thousand five hundred dollars ($50,500) in favour of Chariest
Pipon, Manager of the Molsons Bank, Toronto, for Temiscouata Railvjy
Company. It is authorized by Order in Council of the eighth day of s[d
February and is endorsed by A. P. Broderick for Manager.

Q. It bears the stamp of the bank? — A. Yes, it bears "Molsons Ban
Toronto, for collection and credit of Bank of Montreal, Toronto, C. Broitt
Manager." I may explain that that certificate was for two payments, but ■
does not concern the Temiscouata Railway Company.

Q. This cheque at any rate appears to have been endorsed by some dw
qualified officer of the bank? — A. I have no doubt of it.

Q. You say that this cheque was for two payments ? — A. Yes, sir, I m
the certificate was for two payments, but one does not concern this inquirp
ie tin; Murray Canal.

Q. The cheque is only for that portion which concerns the Temiscoufi
Rail vv ay ': — A Exactly.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 5).

Q. VV hat is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is for thirty-tip
thousand dollars ($33,0<i0) and is dated on the sixth day of June, in the w
<>nc thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight (1888). It is in favour of ji
Bauk of Montreal, Ottawa. The former power of attorney is superseded!*
another which I produce attached to the cheque and certificate. It is am
ized by Order in Council of the sixth day of said June and the chequat
receipted by J. VV. C. O'Grady, of the Bank of Montreal.

Q, If is receipted for by O'Grady on the certificate itself? — A. Yes, sink
was handed t<> him.

Filed as exhibit (DT 6).

Q, \Vli:M is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on
twenty-seventh day of July, in the year one thousand eight hundred

!»

Edffar versus Caroh.

Jrhtv-eight (1*88). It is for twenty -one thousand dollars ($21,000) payable

Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized by Order in Council of the

enty-fifth day of said July and is receipted for by C. A.Elliott, of the Bank

, Montreal. This cheque was likewise not endorsed, but the receipt is on the

i rhHcate.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (I) T 7).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the eighth
if September, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight
388), and is for sixty-one thousand four hundred and sixty-four dollars
i 1.464) in favour of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized by Order
Council of the fifth of said September and is receipted for by J. W. C.
Grady, of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. The receipt is contained on the
Irtificate of the Auditor General.

Cheque and certificate as exhibit (1) T 8).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the sixth

►f October, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight

i and is for ten thousand dollars ($10,000) in favour of the Bank of

unreal, Ottawa. It is also receipted for by Mr. O'Grady. It is authorized

• Order in Council of the twenty-fifth day of September.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 9).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the
enty-seventh day of November, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight
ndred and eighty-eight (1888). It is for fifty-nine thousand and six dollars

006). It is in favour of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized

• Order in Council of the twenty-third day of November, and is receipted
p by Mr. Elliott, of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (I) T 10).

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next is dated on the first day of
•bruary, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-nine (1889), and is for
even thousand seven hundred and forty-six dollars ($11,746) in favour of the
ank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized by Order in Council of the

I y-seventh inst., but this must mean the twenty-second of January, 1889,
scause it cannot be the twenty-second clay ot February, when the cheque is
ited on the first of February. It is receipted for by Mr. O'Grady, of the
ank of Montreal, Ottawa. The receipt is contained on the certificate of the
uditor General.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 11).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is a payment of
venty-four thousand three hundred dollars ($74,300) by two cheques both in
vour of the Bank of Montreal. The first for four thousand three hundred
hilars on the Bank of Toronto, Toronto, and the balance of seventy thousand
ollars ($70,000) on the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. They are both dated on

twenty-third of January (1890). They are authorized by Order in
ouiicil of the fifteenth day of said January, and by 48 Vic, cap. 58. I did
)t notice that the Act was mentioned in the others. It is also receipted for
Mr. O'Grady.

Q. The first cheque is on the Bank of Toronto, Toronto. — A. Yes. It is
ulorsed for collection and credit of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa, F. Gundry.
lanager, and endorsed for collection and credit of the Bank of Montreal,
bronto, C. B rough, Manager. It is receipted for by Mr. O'Grady, of the
;ank of Montreal, also.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 12).

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 183

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated on tb
seventeenth day of December, one thousand eight hundred and ninety ('8ffl
in favour of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa, for the Temiscouata RailwB:
Company, and is for forty-eight thousand five hundred and twenty dollaj
($48,520). It is issued under authority of 51 Vic, cap. 3, and Order B
Council of the fifth day of said December. It is receipted for by Mr. O'GracH
of the Bank of .iontreal, Ottawa.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 13).

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated on t»
twentieth day of January, in the year one thousand eight hundred and ninelt
one (1891) in favour of the Bank of Montreal. Ottawa, and is for thirty-foU
thousand two hundred and fifty dollars ($34,250.0 ). It is by 51 Vic, cal
3, and Order in Council of the sixteenth day of January, and receipted for v
Mr. O'Grady, of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 14).

Q. What is the next cheque? — A. The next cheque is dated on the mill
day of October, in the year one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1831
and is for thirteen thousand three hundred and ninety-five dollars ($13,395.0(1
It is in favour of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized by 51 Vijj
cap. 3, and Order in Council of the second day of said October. It is receipt I
for by Mr. O'Grady, of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 15).

Q. What is the next cheque ? — A. The next cheque is dated the twen if
third day of December, one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (189u
It is for forty-one thousand four hundred and thirty-five dollars ($41,435.0,.*
also in favour of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. It is authorized by Ordp
in Council of the nineteenth day of said December, and is receipted for by MS
O'Grady.

Cheque and certificate filed as exhibit (D T 16).

Q, rl hat is all you have in reference to this railway up to the end of t v
year one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1891) ? — A Yes.

Q. What is the total amount of the subsidies which you have mention!
up to the end of the year one thousand eight hundred and ninety-one (1801
— A. The total amount of the subsidies was six hundred and twenty-fo
thousand eight hundred dollars ($624,800.00).

<l All of these amounts were paid as subsidies granted to that road
the Government of Canada? — A. Yes, sir, as appears by the certificate.

W itness H les summary statement of the above amount as exhibit (D T 1

Q. The sums which you have mentioned constitute the whole of the pr.-
ments that were made on account of the subsidies to those two railways? —
i sir; they arc all the amounts that we have charged.

Q. Down to the end of the year one thousand eight hundred and ninef
-in- (1891)?— A. Yea.

Q In each case there lias been some moneys paid since that date? — 1}

Q you have no other payments in the Department of Finance referrin
to these matters excepting those which you have brought? — A. I do if
know of any. There may be a letter cancelling the first power of attorney
the case of the Temiscouata Railway. Of late years we require a letter bef<
cancelling, bul years ago we did not. The new power of attorney we tol
cancelled the old, bul of late years we have required a letter.

Q. And of late years you have required a letter? — A. Yes.

Edrrar versus Caron.

.-'

Q. And yon say there may be such a letter cancelling the power of
attorney in the case of the Temiscouata Railway Company? — A. There may

Q. And you are not sure if there is? — A. I am no1 sure if then' is.

Q. But apart from that there are no other documents relating to the
natter in the possession of the Finance Department? — A. No other that I
enow of, except copies of the Orders in Council. Of course, we have copies of
ill the Orders in Council.

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron do not cross-examine the witness.

And further deponent saith not.

And [, Thomas P. Owens, one of the official reporters of the House of
Jommons and a sworn stenographer in this case, do depose on the oath I have
taken that the above is a true and faithful transcript of the evidence of the
above named witness taken by me by means of stenography.

TIIOS. P. OWENS.

Quebec, 21st September, 1892.

The Royal Commission to inquire as to the truth or falsity of certain
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, resumed its sitting
at the city of Quebec this morning for the taking of evidence in reference to
jsuch charges.

Present: — The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier, and the Honourable
Melbourne M. Tait, Commissioners.

Louis K. Jones, Clerk in the Department of Railways and Canals and
jSecretary to the Chief Engineer of the Government of Railways, aged forty-
two (42) years, being duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Bisaillon, Q. C, of Counsel for the Crown.

Q. Mr. Jones, will you state to the Commissioners what is your position
in the Department of Railways and Canals ? — A. I am Clerk in the Depart-
ment and Secretary to the Chief Engineer of the Government Railwa}xs.

Q. You received a subpoena to bring with you all the papers in connection
with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway and the Temiscouata Railway? —
|A. I did.

Q. Did you bring these papers ? — A. Yes, I brought all the papers that
were given to me.

Q, Are all these papers the originals ? — A. All these papers are the
originals, except the Orders in Council, and they are certified copies, the
originals never going out. *

Q. Have you amongst your papers a petition of E. Beaudet, Vice-President
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, asking amendments to the
Act passed the last session, and asking one hundred and seventy thousand
dollars ($170,000.00) additional on account of the line being twenty-five miles
longer than was estimated ? — A. Yes.

Q. What is it ? — A. It is from the Minister of Finance inclosing a peti-
tion of E Beaudet, Esquire, Vice-President of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway, asking an amendment of the A ct passed last session by granting one
hundred and seventy thousand dollars ($170,000.00) additional on account of
the line being twenty-five miles longer than was estimated. It encloses petition

5G Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189$

signed by some members of Parliament. The petition is addressed to Si
Charles Tupper, then Minister of Railways and Canals. It is sent by thfl
Deputy Minister of Finance, Mr. Courtney ; the Minister of Finance thel
being Sir Leonard Tilley.

Petition filed as exhibit (LJ 1).

Also I produce and file a letter from J. G. Scott, dated the fourth of MaJ
in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three (1883) addressed tj:
the Secretary of the Department of Railways enclosing a specification togethe
with the certificate from the Chief Engineer to the effect that " the sectioir
for the subsidy upon wThich payment is now asked is a fair average to th
quality of work of the whole road."

Filed as exhibit (LJ 2).

I also file a certified copy of Order in Council dated on the sevenfj
day of June, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three (1883) granting I
further subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars ($3,200.00) per mile foi
additional- distance of twenty-five miles (25) not exceeding on the whole eightj
thousand dollars ($80,000.00), and containing sketch of the approximate route
This copy of the Order in Council is certified by the Clerk of the Privy Coun
cil, Mr. John J. McGee.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 3).

I also produce a certified copy of Order in Council dated the eighteenth
day of August one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three (1883) giving
authority to execute an agreement with the above Railway Company fo
the construction of a line between St. Raymond and Lake St. John. Fron
the Journal, this Order in Council appears to have been amended by anothe
Order in Council of a later date.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 4).

I also produce a letter numbered 32619. There appeared to be two petition
addressed to Sir A. P. Caron, Minister of Militia, and they appear to have beeil
transferred by him to the department without any remark. This is a lettei
addressed to the Honourable Sir A. P. Caron and he appears to have transferre<
two petitions, one from the inhabitants of the parish of Val Cartier and th
other from the inhabitants of the parish of St. Gabriel West, County o
Quebec, praying for a subsidy to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company for the purpose of purchasing rails for the abandoned location of th«
road, ten miles between River Jacques Cartier and Gosford, and failing ;
subsidy asking the Government for old rails.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 5).

I ;il so produce and file report from Mr. Ridout, dated the tenth day o
November, on the first ten miles section of the Quebec and Lake St. Join
Railway. He considers the work on this section a fair average of the whol<
line and recommends a payment of the subsidy of three thousand two hundrec
dollars ($3,200) per mile on this section, amounting to the sum of thirtv-tw(
thousand dollars ($32,000).

Filed as exhibit (LJ 6).

I also produce and file a letter from the Deputy Minister or Commissione
of Customs dated on the sixteenth of November, one thousand eight hundrec
and eighty-three (1883), addressed to the Secretary of the Department o
Railways and Canals with reference to the claim of the Department of Custom;
againsl Messrs. Withall and Ross, and stating it was understood that th(
amount due for this claim would be deducted from the first payment of th

Ederar versus Garon.

dy. The amount of the claim is seven thousand -even hundred and
c\ out \ -seven dollars and fifty-two cents ($7,777.52).
Filed as exhibit (LJ 7).

I also produce and file another letter from the Commissioner of Customs
lated on the seventeenth day of November, one thousand eight hundred and
ighty-three (1883), stating that the amount is found to be seven thousand six
nnidred and forty-four dollars and forty-five cents ($7,644.45), the other
imount being incorrect.
Filed as exhibit (LJ 8).

I also produce certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the fifteenth
v of Xovember, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three
1883), authorizing payment of subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars
per mile for the first ten (10) miles, or a total of thirty-two thousand dollars
18-2,000).

Filed as exhibit (L J 9).

I also produce letter dated the twenty- first day of November, in the year
roe thousand eight hundred and eighty-three (1883), from the Accountant of
the Department of Customs, Mr. Parmelee, addressed to the Secretary of the
Department of Railways and Canals, asking that a cheque be issued in favour
of the Customs Department for the sum of seven thousand six hundred and
forty-four dollars and forty-five cents ($7,645.45), and deducted from the
Bubsidy to the Lake St. John Railway.
Filed as exhibit (L J 10).

T also produce document purporting to be a letter from J. G. Scott,
Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, dated on the twenty-
sixth day of January, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
four (1884) and addressed to Sir Charles Tupper, Minister of Railways, stating
jthat he is directed on behalf of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany to request that the Government will be pleased to take the necessary
(means to complete the subsidy granted to this railway by the resolution of
the years one thousand eight hundred and eighty-two (1882), and one thousand
eight hundred and eighty-three (188;:>), so 'that it may cover the whole mileage
'to be built, and then he gives in detail the mileage and encloses a pamphlet
and map.

Filed as exhibit (L J 11).

I also produce and file a petition sent by J. G. Gagnier, Thomas McGreevy
and several others, addressed to The Honourable Sir Charles Tupper, Minister
of Railways and Canals, and dated Ottawa, the first day of March, one
i thousand eight hundred and eighty-four (1884), and appears to be a petition
asking for aid for the Lake St. John Railway Company, and is apparently
signed by a number of Members of Parliament.
Filed as exhibit (L J 12).

I also produce and file letter addressed by J G. Scott, Secretary of the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, to the Secretary of the Depart-
ment of Railways and Canals, dated on the nineteenth day ot July, one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-four (1884), in which he states that he is
directed to enclose for the information of the department a copy of the
resolution of the Board of Directors of this Company, adopted at a meeting
held on the tenth instant, transferring to Messrs. Ross and Company, of
Quebec, the subsidy payable by the Dominion of Canada at the rate of three
thousand two hundred dollars ($3,200.00) per mile upon ten miles of this
railway, from Station 2186 at Lake St. Simon to Station 2714, near River Pierre.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189]

Filed as exhibit (L J 13).

I also produce and file a repoit signed by Mr. Collingwood Schriebej
Chief Engineer of Government Railways, dated on the eighth day of April, i
the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty -five, addressed to tlh
Secretary of the Department of Railways and Canals, on the second ten mild
north of St. Raymond on the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, stating tha
the section is not completed according to the requirements of the contracli
and enclosing a copy of the report of Mr. Ridout, Inspecting Engineer.

Filed as exhibit (L J 14).

I also produce and file a certified copy of the Order in Council, dated o t
the tw^enty-second day of April, in the year one thousand eight hundred anil
eighty-five (1885), authorizing payment of a sum of thirty-seven thousand an
twenty-seven dollars ($37,027.00) to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railwaf
Company, being the subsidy on the second ten miles north of St. Raymond. I]

Filed as exhibit (L J 15).

I also produce and file a letter sent by J. G. Scott, dated on the nintj
da}7 of September, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-fiv
(1885), addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways and CanaLI
and stating "we have transferred to Messrs. Ross & Company, by deed befoi
notary, the subsidy payable by the Dominion upon thirty miles of this railwa!
from station 2714 to station 4298, opposite to the Island of Lake Edward."

Filed as exhibit (L J 16).

I also produce a letter from S. Piddington, who, I think, signs for thl
manager of the Quebec Bank, addressed to the Secretary of the Departmed
of Railways & Canals, under date the first day of September, in the year on
thousand eight hundred and eighty-five (1885), stating that he encloses
power of attorney received from Messrs. Ross & Company, Quebec, to be place
on file. The power of attorney does not appear to be here, but it appears t
be filed with contracts.

Filed as exhibit (L J 17).

I also file report signed by Mr. Schreiber, dated on the twelfth day c
September, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five (1885 |
addressed to the Secretary of the Department, with reference to the inspection
of the section of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway between the twentietl'
and thirtieth miles west from St. Raymond, and stating that under the term
of the contract he thinks that the subsidy of thirty-eight thousand three hud
dred and seventy-three dollars ($38,373.00), applicable to this section, has beeii
earned, and the company may be considered entitled to receive it, and he en
closes a copy of the report of Mr. Ridout, inspecting engineer.

Filed as exhibit (L J 18).

1 also file certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the fifteenth daj
of September, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five (1885)*
being aul hority to pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, th
amount of their subsidy apportioned to the section between the twentieth an<j
thirtieth miles, t be sum of thirty-eight thousand three hundred and seventy
three dollars ($38,373.00).

Filed ;is exhibit (L J 19).

I also Til*- a letter signed J. G. Scott, secretary of the Quebec & Lake Stj
John Railway Company, dated on the twenty-first day of September, in th
year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five (1885), addressed to th
Departmenl of Railways and Canals, enclosing copies of the following
transfers of the subsidies payable by the Government to this company. Oij

Edfirar versus Laron.

the twenty-fourth day of August, one thousand eighl hundred and eighty-five,
transfer in favour of Ross & Company, of seventy thousand dollars ($70,000.00),
out of a subsidy of ninety -six thousand dollars ($96,000.00). Also a transfer
in favour of the Honourable J. G. Ross, as president of the Quebec & Lake
St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, of twenty-six thousand
dollars ($26,000.00), out of a subsidy of ninety-six thousand dollars ($96,000.00).
On September the fourteenth, a transfer in favour of Ross & Company, of
thirty-two thousand dollars ($32,000.00), being a subsidy upon ten miles from
station 3770 to 4298. The transfers are not under this cover and this is jusl a
letter covering them.

Filed as exhibit (L J 20).

I also produce and tile a letter signed Jas. G. Ross, President of the Quebec
& Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, dated on the tenth
day of October, one thousand eight hundred and eighty five (1885), addressed
to the Secretary of the Department of Railways and Canals, enclosing a copy
of resolution of Board of Directors of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company, transferring to the Quebec Bank a subsidy
to the extent of twenty six thousand dollars ($26,000,00) transferred to him
in his capacity as President of that Company on the twenty-fourth day of
August previous.

Filed as exhibit (L J 21).

I also produce and file a report signed Collingwood Schreiber, dated on
the ninth day of November, one thousand eight hundred and eighty five
(1885), addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways and Canals,
with reference to the inspection from the thirtieth to the fourtieth miles north
of St. Raymond. He says that the subsidy applicable to this section amounts
to twenty seven thousand eight hundred and forty dollars ($27,840.00) which
may be deemed to have been earned. He refers to the report of the Inspec-
ting Engineer, Mr. Ridout.

Filed as exhibit (L J 22).

I also produce and file certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the
sixteenth day of November in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hun-
dred and eighty-five (1885), with reference to the section of the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway, from the beginning of the thirtieth to the fortieth
mile north of St. Raymond. It authorizes the payment of twenty-seven thou-
sand eight hundred and forty dollars ($27,840.00)'.

Filed as exhibit (L J 23).

I also produce and file a report signed Collingwood Schreiber, dated on
eleventh day of January, one thousand eight hundred and eighty six (1886)
addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways and Canals, with
reference to the section of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway between
the fortieth and fiftieth miles north of St. Raymond. It refers to Mr. Ridout's
inspection and it says "he thinks that the balance of twenty-four thousand five
hundred and thirty-two dollars ($24,532.00) might sately be paid the Company."

Filed as exhibit (L J 24).

I also produce and file a letter signed J. G. Scott, Secretary of the Que-
bec and Lake St. John Railway, dated on the twelfth day of January, one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886) addressed to the Secretary of
the Department of Railways and Canals, making application on behalf of the
Company to enter into an agreement with the Government with reference to
that portion of the line extending from its junction with the North Shore Rail-
way to St. Raymond subsidised bv Act 48 & 49 Vic, cap. 59.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Filed as exhibit (L J 25).

I also produce and file copy of an Order in Council dated on the eighteenth
day ot January, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886)
being authority to pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
the sum of twenty four thousand five hundred and thirty two dollars ($24,532.00)
as per report of the Chief Engineer.

Filed as exhibit (L J 26).

I also produce and file certified copy of the Order in Council dated on the
twenty eighth day of January, in the year one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-six (1886) approving of the agreement and location plans of the fifty
miles north of St. Raymond for which a subsidy of ninety six thousand dol-
lars ($96,000.00) has been voted. In this is included the specification and a
draft of agreement approved.

Filed as exhibit (L J 27).

I also produce a report signed Collingwood Schreiber, dated on the
eleventh day of February, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
six (1886) addressed to the Secretary of the .Department of Railways and
Canals, reporting that he considers the subsidy of ninety-six thousand dollars
($96,000.00) has been earned.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 28).

I also produce and file certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the
seventeenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six
(1886) authorizing the payment to the Lake St. John Railway Company of
ninety-six thousand dollars ($96,000.00) on that part of the line from the
junction with the North Shore Railway to St. Raymond.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 29).

I also produce and file letter from Sir A. P. Caron, Minister of Militia,
dated on the fourth day of March, in the year one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-six (1886) to the Department of Railways and Canals, and stating " I
beg to enclose you a petition from the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany which has been placed in my hands for the purpose of transferring it to
you. It transfers a petition signed by J. G. Ross, President .of the Lake St.
John Railway Company for an increase of subsidy.

Q. An increase to how much ? — A. The endorsation on the back of the
paper says an increase to six thousand dollars per mile for one hundred and
eighty miles from Quebec to Lake St. John.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 30).

Q. Please produce the other letters and documents and describe them as
you have been doing ? — A. I also produce and file a letter from J. G. Scott,
dated on I he first day of April, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six
(1886) addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways and Canals,
Baying that he is directed to toward the enclosed list of shareholders of this
Company.

Q. What are the names of the shareholders according to this letter? —
A. Bon. Jas. G. Ross, Quebec, P.Q., $25,000 ; W. S. Ogden, Cardiff, Wales,
$25,000.00; William Withall, Montreal, P.Q., $25,000.00 ; John Ross, Quebec,
P.Q., $85,000.00 ; dames Connelly, Munissing, Michigan, $12,500.00 ; Estate
late J. B. Renaud, Quebec, I\Q.,' $5,000.00 ; Elisee Beaudet, Quebec, P.Qi
$3,000.00; Hon. Sir A. P. Caron, Ottawa, $2,500.00; Hon. P. Garneau,
Quebec, $2,000.00 ; Hon. I. Tl.ibaudeau, Quebec, P.Q., $2,500.00 ; Estate late
P. V;i!l. ■,-. $500.00 ; city ot Quebec, $450,000.00. Small shareholders repre-
senting of stock $101,000.00. Total $079,000.00.

E Igar versus Caron.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 31).

I produce and file letter signed J. G. Scott, Secretary of the Lake St. John
Railway Company and dated on the twenty first day of June, one thousand
light hundred and eighty-six (1886) addressed to the Secretary of the Depart-
ment of Railways, enclosing a copy of the transfer of the subsidy of three
thousand two hundred dollars ($3,200.00) per mile payable by the Dominion
Government, in favour of Ross & Company, Quebec, for forty miles from sta tion
g296 to station 2410.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 32).

I also produce and file a report signed Collingwood Schreiber, dated on
the seventh day of July, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
six, addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, in which he
Lys that the work is now completed according to contract on the section of
railway between the fortieth and fiftieth miles north of St. Raymond, entitling
the company to receive the balance of the subsidy applicable to this section
amounting to six thousand dollars ($6,000.00) which he suggests be paid.

Filed as exhibit (L J 33.)

I also produce and file certified copy of Order in Council dated on the
thirteenth day of July, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six
(1886), authorizing the payment of six thousand dollars ($6,000.00) on the
section referred to above in accordance with the report of the chief engineer.

Filed as exhibit (L J 34).

I also produce and file a report signed for Mr. Schrieber by F. J. Lynch,
who was engineer in charge of Mr. Schreiber's office and he signs Mr.
Schreiber's name by his initials. It is dated on the twenty-second day of
September, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886). It
is in reference to the inspection of the section of the Lake St. John Railway from
the fiftieth to the seventieth mile north of St. Raymond, and quotes the report
of Mr. Ridout, the inspecting engineer.

Filed as exhibit (L J 35).

I also produce certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the twenty-
ninth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-six (1886), authorizing the payment to the Lake St. John Railway
Company the sum of eighty-three thousand six hundred and eighty-eight
dollars ($83,688.00).

Filed as exhibit (L J 36).

I also produce the report signed Collingwood Schrieber, dated on the
twenty-fifth day of November, in the year one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-six (1886), addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways
and Canals, with reference to the inspection of the section from the seventieth
to the eightieth mile north of St. Raymond. It says that Mr. Ridout has
inspected section eight (8) and reinspected sections six (6) and seven (7). With
the exception of a few timber box culverts, which are condemned, he states that
the work is well and substantially done. The subsidy applicable to the three
sections from the fiftieth to the eightieth mile is one hundred and thirty-five
thousand five hundred and thirty-five dollars ($135,535.00); deducting cost of
replacing timber culverts with masonry, three thousand one hundred dollars
($3,100.00), balance one hundred and thirty-two thousand four hundred and
thirty-four dollars ($132,434.00).

Filed as exhibit (L J 37).

I also produce another report signed by -Mr. Schrieber, dated on the
fourth day of December, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886).

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

It is addressed to the Secretary of the Department ot Railways. He says that
it appears the sum of thirty-five thousand three hundred and ten dollars
($3v310.00) is applicable to the first ten mile section of the Lake St. John
Railway north of St. Raymond, whereas thirty-two thousand dollars only of
that amount has been paid, leaving a balance of three thousand three hundred!
and ten dollars ($3,310.00) due thereon, which "I now certify, as this section
of the road is completed." The cause of thirty-two thousand dollars only
having been previously certified on this section is that at the time the 1
certificate was prepared the total subsidy had not been apportioned off intoj
sections.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 38).

I also produce and file certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the
seventh day of December, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
six (1886) authorizing the payment of that balance of three thousand three
hundred and ten dollars ($3,310) on the first ten miles section of the road from
St. Raymond northwards.

Filed as exhibit (LJ 39).

I also produce and file certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the
seventeenth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight
hundred and eighty-six (1886) authorizing the payment of forty-eight thousand
seven hundred and forty-seven dollars ($48,747) under a certificate of the
Chief Engineer of Railways on the sections between the fiftieth and eightieth
miles north of St. Raymond.

Exhibit (LJ40).

I also file a letter signed J. G-. Scott, addressed to the Secretary of the
Railway Department, dated on the twenty-fourth day of December in the year
one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six (1886) asking the Secretary to
send him a memo, showing how the payment of forty-eight thousand seven
hundred and forty-seven dollars ($48,747) made the previous day is arrived
at, and how much of it belongs to the three thousand two hundred dollars
($3,200) a mile subsidy, and how much to the one thousand nine hundred
and sixty-one dollars ($1,961) per mile subsidy. On the back of the paper
there is the endorsation that it was referred to the Chief Engineer of Railways
and on the back of the paper there is the endorsation that the subsidies
applicable to sections six, seven and eight amount to one hundred and thirty-
five thousand five hundred and thirty-five dollars ($135,535) deducting
estimated cost of replacing timber culvert with masonry three thousand one
hundred dollars ($3,100) leaving a balance of one hundred and thirty-two
thousand four hundred and thirty-five dollars ($132,435) ; previously paid
eighty-three thousand six hundred and eighty-two dollars ($83,68:) leaving to
be ]»:ii«l forty-eight thousand seven hundred and forty-seven dollars ($48,747).
Filed as exhibit (LJ 41).

I also produce and file a report signed Collingwood Schrieber, dated on
the ><<•<,, i,| (Jay 0f February, in the year one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-seven (1887) addressed to the Secretary of Department ot Railways
with reference r.o the inspection of the sections of the Lake St. John Railway
between the eightieth and ninetieth mile and between the ninetieth and
hundred! Ii mile

< !■ Cs there anyl hing in this report about the payment of the subsidy ? —
A. He -hows work done on the sections between the eightieth and ninetieth
mile to the amounl of sixty thousand four hundred and seventy-four dollars
($60,474) and between the ninetieth and hundredth mile, he says that the

Edgar versus Caron.

; Tin ling is said to be completed and the track lai< I seven miles, 1ml that Mr.
lidout is unable to proceed further than the ninety -first mile as the road was
ompletely blocked with snow.
Filed as exhibit (LJ 42).

I also produce certified copy of an Order in Council dated on the eighth
lav of February, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven
ls^7) recommending that authority be given for the payment of sixty
IfDusand four hundred and seventy-four dollars ($6 ,474).
Filed as exhibit (L J 43).

Q. Have you got a report of Mr. Schreiber, elated qn the thirteenth day
>f July, in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven
1887)? — A. It does not appear to have been here, but there is a synopsis of
hat report in the journal. From the synopsis it is a report on the inspection
nade by Mr. Ridout to the one hundred and tenth mile north of St. Raymond,
||»howing a subsidy earned of five hundred and sixty-one thousand four hundred
I and seventy dollars ($561,470.00), less previous payments.

Q. Please give the Order in Council referring to this report? — A. There

s a certified copy of the Order in Council dated on the twenty-fifth day of

' August, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven, being an

I jiuthority to pay to the Lake St. John Railway Company the amount of one

iiundred" and three thousand four hundred and seventy-nine dollars ($103,479).

f|[ may say that these amounts are always subject to any previous payment

[being deducted. They always give authority to pay the whole amount, but

jithe accountant deducts the previous payment. From this Order in Council it

ippears that the chief engineer reported on the thirteenth da} of August

,1887).

Filed as exhibit (L J 44).

Q. Can you find the report of the engineer now ? — A. Yes, I produce
ind file a report dated on the thirteenth of August, in the year one thousand
. pight hundred and eighty-seven (1887), signed Collingwood Schreiber, address-
ed to the Secretary of Railways and Canals, with reference to the one hundred
land ten miles north of St. Raymond, shewing amount of subsidy earned, five
jhundred and sixty-one thousand four hundred and seventy dollars ($561,470.00).
He says that the company have earned this amount of subsidy from which
should be deducted previous payments. *

Filed as exhibit (L J 45).

J also produce letter dated the second day of September, in the year one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven (1887), signed J. G. Scott, addressed
to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, asking for a memo, shewing
»w the amount of subsidy, one hundred and three thousand four hundred and
seventy-nine dollars ($103,479.00), has been arrived at. That was referred to
Mr. Schreiber on the fifth of September, and he wrote a memorandum on the
back, " Subsidy applicable to the section in question, five hundred and sixty-
nine thousand five hundred and seventy dollars ($569,570.00), less value of
work to be made to conform to the specification, three thousand one hundred
dollars ($3,100) ; work yet to be done, five thousand four hundred dollars
\400.00) ; total, eight thousand five hundred ($8,500.00), leaving a balance
of live hundred and sixty-one thousand four hundred and seventy dollars
(s-561,470.00) ; previous payments to be deducted, four hundred and fifty-seven
thousand nine hundred and ninety-one dollars ($457,991.00), and balance due
company, one hundred and three thousand four hundred and seventy-nine
dollars ($103,479.00)."

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 18!

Filed as exhibit (L J 46).

I also produce and file letter dated on the sixth day of September, o
thousand eight hundred and eight-seven (1887), signed by J. G. Scott, sec
tary to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, addressed to the Secretary
the Department of Railways, in which he states that he is directed to encl
for the information of the department a copy of a notarial agreement betwe
the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company and the Quebec and Lake
John Railway Company, by which the former concedes and transfers to t
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company any pretension they may have
a subsidy of ninety-six thousand dollars ($96,000.00), voted at the previo
Session of the Dominion Parliament, to aid in the construction of railway fr
Chicoutimi to Lake St. John, or from Lake St. John to Chicoutimi.

Filed as exhibit (L J 47).

Q. Will you please continue to file the other documents bearing on t.
case, and describe them as you have been doing ? — A. I produce and file t
the following documents : —

Report from Department of Justice, dated 16th September, 1887, sign
by A. Power, Acting Deputy Minister of Justice, reporting on the propo
transfer to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company of the subs'
granted to the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company.

Exhibit (L J 48). "

Report dated 5th October, .887, signed for Collingwood Schreiber, 1
Francis J. Lynch, with reference to the inspection from the one-hundred
and tenth mile, from the one hundred and tenth to the one hundred ai
twentieth mile, and from the one hundred and twentieth to the one hund
and thirtieth mile.

Exhibit (L J 49).

Certified copy of an Order in Council, dated 11th October, 1887, for
payment of eighty-five thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars ($85,
on the construction of the road up to the hundred and thirtieth mile.

Filed as exhibit (L J 50).

A memo, initialed by Mr. Schreiber, dated 1st November, 1887, sta
that the subsidy payment of eighty-five thousand eight hundred and fourt
dollars was arrived at as follows : — Subsidy applicable irom the Junctio
St. Raymond, ninety-six thousand dollars ($96,000.00). From the first mil
the hundred and thirtieth, five hundred and fifty-one thousand two hun
and eighty-four dollars ($551,284.00). Deductions from fiftieth to sixt
mile, fifteen hundred dollars ($1,500.00). From sixtieth to seventieth
one thousand dollars ($1,000.00). From seventieth to eightieth, six hund
dollars ($600.00). From one hundred to one hundred and tenth mile, tw
hundred dollars ($1,200.00). From one hundred and tenth to one hundred
twentieth mile, fourteen hundred dollars ($1,400.00). From one hundred
twentieth to one hundred and thirtieth mile, fifteen thousand seven hund
and twenty dollars ($15,720.00). Total deductions, twenty-one thousand
hundred and twenty dollars ($21,4^0.00), leaving a balance of six hundred
twenty-five thousand eight hundred and sixty-four dollars ($625,8n4.
previously certified, five hundred and forty thousand and fifty dol
($540,050.00), balance, eighty-five thousand eight hundred and four
dollars ($85,814.00).

Filed as exhibit (L J 51).

A.lso a letter from A. Benoit, Private Secretary to the Minister of Militi
dated on <li,- fourteenth day of November, one thousand eight hundred an

Edgar versus Caron.

-sweiii, ■a&ctere-ssed to tine Secretary of the Department of Railways and

s, stating Uhat "he is directed by the Hon. Sir A. P. Caron to enclose

dated 12th instant, from J- <3. Scott, with regard to the claims trans-

enred, a»d requesting that he would bring it to the notice of the Minister of

iafrwavs and Canals." A letter faom Mr. Scott is enclosed.

Exhibit l(U 62).

A letter signed J. G. Scott, dated 18th November, 18H7, addressed to the
'Secretary 'i©f the Department of Railways, enclosing copy of transfer in favour
)f Messrs. Ross<& Co., of Quebec, of the subsidies payable by the Dominion
lpon elevemana'twenty-threeone hundredths (llr2T,;io) miles of road terminating
Sit Point son Trembles, amounting to fifty-seven thousand nine hundred and
■i%<eight dollar ($57,958).
Exhibit .(LJT 53).

A report signed Collingwood Schreiber, addressed to the Secretary of the
(Department of -Eailways and Canals, with reference to plan and profile of the
tmended location sent in for approval of the section between the one hundred
jmd tenth and one hundred and twentieth miles, Quebec and Lake St. John
AaS way Company.
Exhibit (LJ54).

A letter signed H. J. Beemer, dated 7th January, 1888, addressed to the
Minister <@f Railways, urging the inspection of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway between the one hundred and thirtieth and one hundred and fortieth
niles

Exhibit (LJ 35).

A letter dated 16th January, 1888, from Sir Adolphe Caron, Minister
|)f Militia, addreseed to the Minister of Railways and stating " will you kindly
•ead the enclosed and let me know what 1 can answer ? " and enclosing a letter
rom Mr. Scott.

Q. What is this letter from Mr. Scott? — A. He wants a definite answer
is to whether the Eailway Department will accept the transfer of the ninety-
ix thousand dollars ($96,000) made to their company by the Saguenay and
jake St. John Railway Company.
Exhibit (LJ 56).

Q. Can you state by referring to the journal what the reply to this letter
vas?*— A. Yes, it appears from the journal that the reply sent to Mr. Scott
n reply to the letter enclosed by Sir A. P. Caron, was that additional legisla-
tion would be required, before the transfer as made could be accepted.

Q. And the same reply was sent to Sir A. P. Caron, was it not? — A.
fes. There was a copy of the letter written to Mr. Scott sent to Sir A. P.
<aron, I suppose, for his information.

Q. Will you file the report from Mr. Schreiber dated the 23rd of March,
890? — A. I file said report addressed to the Secretary of the Department of
Railways with reference to Mr. Ridout's inspection of sections thirteen and
ourteen of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. He states that he has
efficient information before him to satisfy him that there is work done
^presenting the full proportion of subsidy on each of these two sections.

Q. Does he recommend payment? — A. He does not recommend any
•ayment.

Q. Are the previous payments stated in this letter ? — A. He does not
jay previous payments, but he previously reported work done to the amount
if 8647,284, making the balance $42,720.
Exhibit (LJ 57).

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I now file copy of Order in Council dated 30th March, 1888, bell
authority to pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company tl
balance of $42,720 as per chief engineer's report.

Exhibit (LJ 58).

I also file certified copy of Order in Council dated the 16th of Februd|
1889, being authority to pay to Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Comply
the sum of $19,911, on the report of Chief Engineer of Government Rail wig.
dated the 7th February, 1889. This report seems to be missing on the pap||
but the journal shows that there is such a report and gives a synopsis of it»

Exhibit (LJ 59).

I also file report dated 2nd of October, 1889, signed Collingwood Schreiljr.
addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways. It is "on the I
pection made by Mr. Ridout and it shews an amount of $748,355.00. He m
that this sum if payment is to be made is subject to the reduction of I
amount already paid. Exhibit (LJ 60).

I also file certified copy of an Order in Council dated 12th October, l£jt
which gives authority for the payment to the Companv of a sum of $23,48(1
and $14,960,00. Making a total of $38,440.00. Exhibit (LJ 61).

I also file report from Frank Ross, President of the Quebec and Lakel
John Railway, dated the twenty-eighth of October, 1890, being the AnJ
Report of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway and General Statement!
the year ending 1889.

Exhibit (LJ 62).

I also file a letter from J. G. Scott, dated the 18th of October, lm
addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, asking if |
Department will kindly arrange to let them have cheque as soon as convenijj
in payment of the subsidies of work inspected by Mr. Ridout on the first ;
second instant.

Exhibit (LJ 63).

I also file report dated the 27th of October, 1890, signed Collingw
Schreiber, addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, vM
reference to the inspection of the bridge over the St. Charles River, andiit
states before any subsidy can be paid it is necessary that the company shoj.d
(inter into a contract under the subsidy act and furnish a complete set of vouchl
shewing the cost of construction of the bridge.

Exhibit (LJ 64).

Q. Now, will you give us a report of the inspection of Mr. Ridout of 1
27th of October, 1890 ?— A. The leport of Mr. Schreiber on the inspection
Mr. Ridout cannot be found. It was not among the papers handed over to m
There is an entry of it in the Journal. This report of Mr. Schreiber' s is c«
in connection with the inspection of the Lake St. John Railway for operiff
for tin Hie, and not in connection with the payment of subsidies.

Q. Have you the report of Mr. Ridout of 30th October, lb90?— A. Tit
i^ aot here, but, from the journal, Mr. Schreiber reports with reference to i
Ridout's inspection of the Lake St. John Railway, from St. Raymond top
150 miles north. He states that the works are not sufficiently advance(pi>
\\an-;mi the payment on subsidy account.

I file a mpy of the Order in Council dated 13th of November, 1890, wlw

tna to be an authority to enter into a contract with the Quebec and Ljfc

St. John Railway for the bridge over the St. Charles River, and for tw<jk

miles of that railway from Lorette via Charlesbourg to Quebec. There is k

drart of the contract and the specification attached. Exhibit (LJ 65).

Edo-ar versus Caron.

I produce u copy of a report signed C. Sclireiber, dated the 13tli of

ember, 1890, mid addressed to the Department of Railways with reference
he subsidy applicable to the main line of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Iway, showing the subsidy represented by work done to be $754,195.00 and
ting that it' payment is to be made the amount of the previous payments
uld be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 66).

I produce certified copy of an Order in Council, dated 9th January, 1891,
>eing authority to pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
>alanee of $20,800.00.

Exhibit (LJ 67;.

I produce report signed C. Schreiber, of the 27th January, 1891, shewing
i subsidy represented by work done $26,300.00 on the 12 miles called the
Loop Line between Lorette and Quebec.

Exhibit (LJ 68).

I also produce report signed C. Schreiber, addressed to the Secretary of
he Department of Railways, dated 26th January, 1891, with reference to Mr.
Ridout's inspection of the main line, shewing subsidy represented by work
lone, $755,595.00. He states that if payment is to be made the amount of
orevious payments shall be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 69).

I also file certified copy of the Order in Council, dated 2nd February,
1891, being authority to pay the company the sum of $1,400.00 in connection
with the main line.

Exhibit (LJ 70).

Also certified copy of an Order in Council of the same date, 2nd
February, 1891, in reference to the inspection of the twelve miles of Loop
Line on the Lake St. John Railway and authority for the payment of
$26,300.00.

Exhibit (LJ 71).

I also file certified copy of an Order in Council, dated 7th February, 1891,
in connection with the bridge over the River St. Charles, subsidized by Act
53 Vic, Ch. 2, and being authority for the payment to the company of
$15,150.00.

Exhibit (LJ 72).

I also file a letter dated 19th February, 1891, signed C. Schreiber, addres-
sed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, giving the particulars with
{reference to the payment of $26,300.00 on the 12 mile Loop Line between
iLorette and Quebec.

Exhibit (LJ 73).

I also produce certified copy of an Order in Council dated 20th March,
1891, with reference to the modifying the specifications attached to the con-
tract with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway of date 5th December, 1888.

Exhibit (LJ 74).

I also produce a certified copy of an Order in Council dated 8th April,
1891, in connection with modifying the contract and the Order in Council of
the '28th November, 1890, says to permit payment being made for the said
items of work as directed, and that authority be given for the payment of the
sum of $6,700 accordingly.

Exhibit (LJ 75).

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 182

I also produce a report signed C. Schreiber, dated the 13th April, 189
addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, giving the positi<j
of the subsidy on the Main Line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railw^
and shewing the subsidy represented by work done at this date as a $762,295.0'
It states that if payment is to be made the amount of previous payments shs
be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 76).

I also produce certified copy of the Order in Council dated 18th Aprj
1891, being authority to pay $6,700.00 of subsidy due to the Lake St. Jofl
Railway as per report of the Chief Engineer of Government Railways, dat(!
13th April.

Exhibit (LJ 77). .

I file a report dated 4th May, 1891, signed C. Schreiber, addressed
the Secretary of the Department of Railways, with reference to bridge ov
the St. Charles River, stating that the sum of $24,750.00 according to t
terms of the Order in Council has been earned by the Lake St. John Railw;
Company in connection with the construction of the St. Charles Bridge,
the payment is to be made, the amount of previous payments shall be deduct
that $24,750.00 is 15 per cent, on $165,000.00, the cost of the construction
the bridge.

Exhibit (LJ 78).

I file certified copy of Order in Council dated 18th May, 1891, in conn
tion with the subsidy granted for the construction of the bridge over tl
River St. Charles, authorizing the payment to the company of $9,600.00.

Exhibit (LJ 79).

I file report dated 27th November, 1891, signed C. Schreiber, addre
to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, with reference to the ins
tion of the 12 miles. It states that the road is completed according to
contracts, with the following exception " the forty thousand gallon water tai
now in the course of construction, is not complete " and that in the meantir
they were getting water at the C. P. Railway station. There is no recommend
tion for any payment.

Exhibit (LJ 80). •

Q. "Will you file the first Order in Council that was passed in refere
to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway ? — A. The first one I find amoi
the papers is a certified copy of Order in Council, dated 23rd March, 18
which is with reference to the subsidies granted by 45 Vic, Chap. 1
$384,000.00.

Exhibit (LJ 81).

Q. Have you got with you the contracts that were passed between tj
< Government of the Dominion of Canada and the Quebec and Lake St. Jo'i
Railway Company? — A. I have got with me copies of the original contra}.
The original goes to the Law Clerk, and at the time the originals were mai
these were copied. They were sent to Mr. C. Schreiber for his guidani
This contract No. 7119, dated 4th September, 1883, being an agreeme:
between the < Quebec and Lake St. John Railwav and the Government respe-
ing tin; subsidy of $384,000.00 granted by 45 Vic, Chap. 15. This contra
has i he specification attached, and also the Order in Council dated 18J»
August, 1883, and another Order in Council dated 28th November, 1890

Exhibit (LJ 82).

<2. Have you got ony other contracts in relation to the Quebec and La
St. John Railway? — A. There is an agreement with the Quebec and Lake

E lg*ar versus ( Jaron.

■ ohn Railway, dated 10th February, 1886, for a line of railway from the
inction on the North Shore Railway to St. Raymond, on the condition of the
>mpany extending their road to a point 50 miles north of St. Ravi hoik I.
3,200.00 per mile, not exceeding in the whole $96,000.00.

Exhibit (LJ 83).

I also produce copy of a contract dated 5th December, 1888, for 30 miles
Lake St John towards Chicoutimi, and appended are copies of three
lOrders in Council.

Exhibit (LJ 84).

I also file a copy of contract dated 2nd December, 1890, with the com-
anv for the railway bridge over the St Charles River, and also for twelve
piles of railway from Lorette to Quebec. The contract is attached to copies
f Orders in Council.

Exhibit (LJ 85).

Q. Is that all the papers you have in connection with the Quebec and
jake St. John Railway ? — A. Yes.

Q. Now produce the papers and documents, Orders in Conncil, &c, referr-
ing to the Temiscouata Railway Company? — A. I produce copy of an Order
n Council dated 30th of October, 1885, being authority to grant a charter to
he Temiscouata Railway Company in conformity writh the provisions of the Act.

Exhibit (LJ 86).

I also produce copy of Order in Council dated 6th October, 1885, giving
uthority to publish the charter in the Canada Gazette.

Exhibit (LJ 87).

I also produce statement from the Temiscouata Railway Company dated
:7th January, 1886, signed by A. R McDonald, P. Grandbois and J. J.
;\IcDonald, addressed to the Hon J. H. Pope, Minister of Railway?, being an
implication for a subsidy.

Exhibit (LJ 88).

Also certified copy of Order in Council, dated 1st March, 1886, being an
jiuthority to enter in an agreement with the New Brunswick Railway Com-
pany for the control of the line from Riviere du Loup, Riviere Ouelle to
Edmundston,

Exhibit (LJ 89).

Also Order in Council elated 5th April, 1886, draft of agreement and speci-
fication attached to the Order in Council.

Exhibit (LJ 90).

Also a letter from J. J McDonald, dated 31st May, 1886, signed J. J.
McDonald and P. Grandbois, two of the committee of the board of directors,
and addressed to the Honourable J. H. Pope, Minister of Railways, giving a
statement of the assets of the company with reference to their financial ability
to construct the railway.

Exhibit (LJ 91). "

Also report signed by Mr. Schreiber, dated 3rd September, 1887, addressed
to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, marked certificate No. I , with
reference to the inspection of the first ten mile section from Riviere du Loup.
It shows subsidies earned to the amount of $55,946.

Exhibit (LJ 92).

I produce certified copy of Order in Council, dated 9th September, 1887,
being authority to pay to the Temiscouata Railway Company $55,946.00 on
jaccount of subsidy.

Exhibit (LJ 93).

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189)

I also produce report from Mr. Schreiber, dated 26th September, 188
addressed to the Secretary of the Department of Railways, about the constru
tion of the first ten miles and the second ten miles, showing the amount
work done to be $110,194.

Exhibit (LJ 94).

I also file certified copy of Order in ( 'ouncil dated 1st October, 1887, bein
authority to pay the Temiscouata Railway Company the sum of $54,248
per last report of the chief engineer.

Exhibit (LJ 95).

Also report signed C. Schreiber, dated 23rd November, 1887, shewin,
work done, $155,000, and previously certified, $110,194.

Exhibit (LJ 96).

Also a certified copy of the Order in Council dated 28th November, 188
being authority to pay to the company $44,806 as per chief engineer's repo
of the 23rd November.

Exhibit (LJ 97).

T also produce report dated 10th December, 1887, signed C. Schreibe:
shewing the amount of subsidy earned, $166,184, less amount previously ce:
tified $155,000, leaving a balance of $11,184.

Exhibit (LJ 98).

Also certified copy of Order in Council dated 17th December, 1887, bein
authority to pay $11,184.

Exhibit (LJ 99).

I also file report signed C. Schreiber, dated 6th February, 1888, shewin
subsidy represented by work done, $216,629, previously reported, $166,184
balance, $50,445 or so, in round numbers, $50,500.

Exhibit (LJ 100).

I file certified copy of Order in Council dated 8th February, 1888, authorit
to pay $50,000 to the Temiscouata Railway Company on account of subsidy

Exhibit (LJ 101).

I file a petition of A. R. McDonald, President of the Temiscouata Railwa;
Company, dated 16th of April, 1888, which seems to be signed A. R
McDonald, President, per J. J McDonald, addressed to the Secretary of th
Department of Railways and Canals, asking for an increase of subsidy fro:
*i)'i,000, to $100,000 for the first 30 miles, and applied to the first twenty miles,

Exhibit (LJ 102).

I also file list of shareholders of the Temiscouata Railway Company.
i^ a, letter signed A. R. McDonald, President, addressed to the Secretary
the Railway Department, dated 17th March, being a list of the original sh
holders and present shareholders. The original shareholders were P. E
Grandbois, M.P., Damasse Rossiguol, M.D.L., George Honore Deschenes
M.P.P., .John J. McDonald, J. Israel Tarte. Charles Bertrand, Win. McCarthy.
A. R. McDonald, Adolphe Hamel.

Present >li;ireholders are P. E. Grandbois, M.P., Damasse Rossignol,;
I reorge Bonor^ Deschenes, John J. McDonald, J. I. Tarte, Charles Bertrand.j
Win. McCarthy, A. R. McDonald, Hector Cameron, Roger Ryan, Levitej
Therriault.

Exhibit (LJ 103).

1 also tile copy of report of Mr. C. Schreiber, dated 1st June, 1888, signed)

chreiber, per L. K. Jones. This says the subsidy represented by work!
done $249,629, previously reported $216,629, balance $33,000.

Exhibit (LJ 104).

Edgar versus Caron.

Also certified copy of Order in Council dated sixth June, one thousand
-lit hundred and eighty-eight (1888) authority to pav thirty-three thousand
liars ($33,000).

Exhibit (LJ 105).

Also report signed C. Schreiber dated fifth of July, one thousand eight
i ad red and eighty-eight (1888) which says "Considered that the amount
ked for can be safely advanced."

Exhibit (LJ 106)'.

Also certified copy of Order in Council in connection with this Report
ited the twenty-fifth of July, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight
888) which is authority to pav the sum of twenty-one thousand dollars
21,000).

Exhibit (LJ 107).

Also report signed for C. Schreiber, perF. J. Lynch, dated twenty-second
ugust one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight (1888) which shows
•oportion of value of work done three hundred and thirty-two thousand one
mdred and forty-eight dollars ($332,148) previously paid two hundred and
venty thousand six hundred and eighty-four dollars ($270,684) leaving a
dance of sixty-one thousand four hundred and sixty-four dollars ($61,464),

Exhibit (LJ 108).

Also certified copy of Order in Council dated fifth September, one thousand
glit hundred and eighty-eight (1888) authority to pay the company the said
mount.

Exhibit (LJ 109).

Also report signed for C. Schreiber, per F. J. Lynch, dated seventeenth
eptember, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight (1888) showing the
roportion and value of work done at that date three hundred and forty-two
lousand one hundred and forty-eight dollars ($342,148) previously reported
iree hundred and thirty-two thousand one hundred and forty-eight dollars
£332,148), balance ten thousand dollars ($10,000).

Exhibit (LJ 110).

Also certified copy of Order in Council dated twenty-fifth September, one
jliousand eight hundred and eighty-eight (1888), being authority to pay the
am ol ten thousand dollars ($10,000).

Exhibit (LJ 111).

Also report of Mr. C. Schreiber dated thirteenth November, one thousand
ght hundred and eighty-eight (1888) addressed to the Secretary of the
)epartment showing the subsidy represented by work done four hundred and
ne thousand one hundred and fifty-four dollars ($401,154) previously reported
hree hundred and forty-two thousand one hundred and forty-eight dollars
$342,148) balance fifty-nine thousand and six dollars ($59,006).

Exhibit (LJ 112).

Also Order in Council dated twenty-third November, one thousand eight
mndred and ninety-one (189 1 ) for authority to pay this sum.

Exhibit (LJ 113).

Also Order in Council dated thirty-first December, one thousand eight
mndred and eighty-eight (1888) being authority to enter into a contract with
be Temiscouata Railway Company for the construction of twenty miles from
^dmundston towards the St. Francis River, approving of the location of the
)lans and profiles in accordance with the suggestions of the Chief Engineer.

Exhibit (LJ 114).

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Also report signed C. Schreiber dated sixteenth January, one thousan<
eight hundred and eighty-nine (1889) showing subsidy "by work done fou
hundred and twelve thousand nine hundred dollars* ($412,900) and states tha
that amount is subject to the deduction of the sum& previously paid.

Exhibit (LJ 115).

Also copy of Order in Council dated twenty-second January, one thousan<
eight hundred and eighty-nine ( 1 889) for authority to pay the balance
eleven thousand seven hundred and forty-six dollars ($11,746).

Exhibit (LJ 116).

Also report of Mr. C. Schreiber dated tot December, one thousand eigh
hundred and ninety (1890) with reference to the inspection oi'the first twent;
miles of the St. Francis branch, in regard to subsidy, and it says the subsi '
represented by work done to this date is forty-eight thousand five hundrei
and twentv dollars ($18,520).

Exhibit (LJ 117).

Also copy of Order in Council dated 5th December,, 1890, being authorit
to pay this sum, $48,520.00.

Exhibit (LJ 118).

Also report dated 13th January, 1891, signed C. Schreiber, with referenc
to the work done on the St. Francis branch, which shows subsidy represented
by work done $82,770.00 from which previous payments shall be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 119).

Also certified copy of Order in Council dated 16th January, 1891, beinj
authority to pay the sum of $34,250.00 on the St. Francis branch.

Exhibit (LJ 120).

Also petition of J. J. McDonald, President of the Temiscouata Railwaj
Company, dated 21st May, 1891, addressed to the Hon. the Minister of RaiJi
ways and Canals, asking for a subsidy of $5,000.00 per mile for 12 mil*
beyond the 20 miles already built.

Exhibit (LJ 121).

Also report from C. Schreiber 'dated 13th August, 1891, with referenc;
to the first twenty miles of the St. Francis branch, showing subsidy reprt
sented by work done $96,165.00. It states the previous payments shall
deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 122).

Also certified copies of Orders in Council dated 2nd September, 1891, fc-j
authority to pay $13,395.00 in connection with the above report.

Exhibit (LJ 123).

Also letter irom J. J. McDonald dated 9th October, 1891, to the Honoui
able Mackenzie Bo well, acting Minister of Railways, with reference to
St. Francis branch of the Temiscouata Railway, asking for an additioi
subsidy of $1,800.00 per mile, as was given to the first 20 miles of the St
Francis branch.

Exhibit (LJ 124).

Also report signed C. Schreiber, dated 9th November, 1891, with refei
ence to the St. Francis branch ; this says — subsidy represented by work done
$99,800.00.

Exhibit (LJ 125).

Also another report of the 9th November, 1891, with reference to
St. Francis branch from the 20 to the 31} miles and says— subsidy represenl
by work done on that line, $37,550.00.

Exhibit (LJ 126).

Edgar versus Caron.

Also Mr. C. Schreiber's report dated 4th December, 1891, on the section
bf the St. Francis branch from the 20 to the 31-} miles; in which he says
that the company is entitled to receive the full amount of the subsidy applic-
able to this section of the railway, namely, $37,600.00, and if any previous
pa\ ments have been made the amount shall be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 127).
. Also report dated 4th December, 1891, signed C. Schreiber, which seems
to be on the first 20 miles of the St. Francis branch. He states that this
section is now completed according to the contract, and the company have
therefore earned the subsidy applicable thereto, 20 miles at $55,000.00 per
mile $100,000.00, and states that all previous payments shall be deducted.

Exhibit (LJ 128).

Also a certified copy of an Order in Council dated 19th December, 1891,
in connection with the first 20 miles of the St. Francis Branch and also for
11} miles which gives authority to pay to the company the sum of $41,435.00
in connection with these two sections.

Exhibit (LJ 129).

I have also in my possession copies of contracts furnished to Mr. Schreiber
by the Law Clerk of the Department. The first No. 8232 dated 21st June,
1886, with the Temiscouata Railway Company for the construction of 83 miles
of railway from a point on the Intercolonial Railway to Edmundston

Contract was attached to Order in Council dated 9th November, 1889, and
also specification.

Exhibit (LJ 130).

I also file contract dated 22nd January, 1889, with the Temiscouata Rail-
way Company to construct a railway from Edmundston towards the River
St. Francis. The contract is in connection with a subsidy granted. To this is
attached a copy of the Order in Council of the 24th December, 1890, and also
copy of memo, signed by Sir John A. Macdonald, Minister of Railways, dated
7th January, 1891, giving permission to use " pile tressles " to be approved
by the chief engineer of the Government railways, and also copy of Order
in Council dated 21st December 1891 ; copy of Order in Council dated 24th
December, 1890 ; copy of Order in Council dated 26th October, 1889, and
memorandum signed by Sir John A. Macdonald, dated 22nd October, 1889,
and copy of the specification. •

Exhibit (LJ 131).

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron does not examine the witness.

And further deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, one of the official reporters of the House of Commons,
being duly sworn, do hereby certify the foregoing deposition to be a true and
faithful reproduction of my stenographic notes.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) 'A. 1893

Quebec, 22nd September, 1892.

The Royal Commission to enquire as to the truth or falsity of certau
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, resumed its sitting
at the city of Quebec this morning for the taking of evidence in reference t(
such charges.

PRESENT :

The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier,
" Melbourne M. Tait,

Commissioners.

James G. Scott, Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway]
Company, being duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown.

Q. Mr. Scott, are you the Secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. Job
Railway Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. You have been summoned to produce the books showing all the|
receipts and payments of the Dominion s'ubsidies bv that company ?-
A. Yes.

Q. Have you produced the books here in court ? — A. I have.

Q. Are you also Secretary of the Lake St. John Railway Construction!
Company of the city of Quebec ? — A. That is not exactly the title of the)
company.

Q. What is the title ? — A. The title is the Quebec and Lake St. John|
Railway Lumbering and Trading Company.

Q. You are the Secretary of this last mentioned company ? — A. Yes.

Q. You were summoned to produce the contracts, sub-contracts an(
agreements in connection with the construction, Or financing for the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway, and also minute books and books of account oi
the company and any books shewing the receipt or transfer of any Dominioi
subsidy. Have you produced such books ? — A. I have.

Q. Mr. Scott, you speak of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lum-
bering and Trading Company, is that the company which actually constructed)
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway ? — A. Yes.

Q. When or how was that company incorporated? — A. By letters of
latent of the Provincial Government.

Q. Do you happen to have a copy of these letters patent ? — A. I hav<
not got it with me but I can procure it in a very short time.

Q. Have you at the moment an idea of the date of the incorporation
that company? — A. Yes, it was in the year one thousand eight hundred ar
seventy-eight (1878).

Q. Was it incorporated with any view to contract with the Quebec ai
Lake St. John Railway Company? — A. Yes, that was the intention.

Q. Are you in possession of any map or plan showing the line of tl
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company's road, because, if you are,
would probably simplify the examination? — A. I have not got anything
very good shape, but here is a small map that would snow it.

Q Was there any portion of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, that!
bad been constructed by the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
before it was undertaken by the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Co.? — A. The Railway Company was the

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Edo-ar versus Caron.

riginator of the road, and the Lumbering and Trading Company was the
ontracting company that undertook to built the road.

Q. Will you please look at the contract between the Quebec and Lake
!t. John Railway and the Dominion Government, exhibit (LJ 82) and say
whether any portion of the road was constructed before that contract ? — A. Yes,
here were about forty-tw7o miles of the road constructed previous to that date.
Q. Will you please indicate on the small plan which we will file as exhi-
»it J S 1, the portion constructed before? — A. The portion from the junction
>f the North Shore Railway to ten miles beyond St. Raymond was cons-
ructed at that date.

Q. What is the length of that portion ? — A. Forty-two miles.
Q. Under what circumstances was that portion built? — A. That was
milt by the Construction Company under contract between them and the
Railway Company.

Q. Have you that contract? — A. I can produce it this afternoon.
Q. Have you any copy of it among your papers ? — A No, the important
contract is really the contract with Beemer, and that is the one I brought.

Q. The important contract is that with Mr. Beemer ; what contract is
;hat ? — A. It is a contract dated on the tenth day of July, one thousand eight
lundred and eighty-three (1883).

Q. Between what parties ? — A. Between what we call the Construction
Company for short, as it is a long name, and Mr. Beemer.

Q. I have not heard of that before, I should like however to have the
ontracts between the Lake St. John Railway Company and the Construction
Company ? — A. I will produce that.

Q. When can you produce that? — A. This afternoon.
Q. In the meantime, Mr. Scott, would you produce the contract which
ivou said to be an important one between the Construction Company and Mr.
H. J. lteemer ? — A. When I say the important one, I mean that it embraced
the larger portion of the road. I produce exhibit marked JS 2, contract of
;date tenth day of July, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three (1883)
ibefore Tessier, notary public, between the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
'Lumbering and Trading Company, and H. J. Beemer, of the city of Montreal.
Q. Now, I find here, Mr. Scott, a reference to a subsidy to the Quebec and
Gosford Railway Company; what is the meaning of that reference? — A. A
subsidy.

Q. Yes ? — A. I think not.

Q. The sum of forty-eight thousand dollars ($48,000) which had been
paid ? — A. That was a provincial subsidy that had been originally paid to the
'wooden road, of which this company is the successor.

Q. What portion of this road, if anjr, was constructed by that particular
railway company ? — A. Do you mean the wooden road ?
Q. Yes ? — A. The first ten miles of it.

Q. On the same line ? — A. Well, pretty near the same line.
Q. Beginning at the junction of the North Shore with the Lake St. John
Railway ? — A. It did not exactly begin there, it began in the city, but we
utilized twelve miles of that location.

Q. At the time that the subsidy was granted by the Dominion Govern-
iment, and the company entered into a contract with the Dominion Govern-
iment, you have already stated that thirty-six miles had been constructed.
'Have you got the engineer, Mr. Light's report, relating to the matter? — A.
I The engineer's reports were all filed yesterday.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189-

Q. I mean the report relating to the construction of the road which wj
built before that contract, I don't think Mr. Light's report was filed yesterday
— A. I cannot recollect if there was any report from Mr. Light. I do w
know what report you refer to, but I can give you a time table showing tha
the road was running.

O. The road was running and equipped? — A. The road was runninJ
yes.

Q. I notice by the contract which you have produced as JS 2, that li
provides for the construction by Beemer, of one hundred and thirty-five mild-
(135) from the Lake Simon to Lake St. John, the contract has reference ak
to ten (10) miles between St. Raymond and Lake Simon, has it not? — A. Yefl

Q. Those ten (10) miles had to be let to whom? — A. McCarron
Cameron.

Q. They were partly constructed at the time, were they not? — A. Yes. rc

Q. Under the contract with McCarron & Cameron, was there any transftj
of subsidies or anything of that sort provided for? — A. No.

Q. Then under the contract exhibit JS 2, is there not a transfer of tri
subsidies to Beemer from St. Raymond, and not from Lake Simon ? — A. Ye !

Q So that the whole subsidy referred to in the subsidy contract with tr.
Dominion Government, exhibit LJ 82, was, by the contract between tr
Construction Company and Beemer, transferred to Beemer? — A. Yes.

Q. The contract between the Construction Company and Beemer specific!
that the company shall use its utmost endeavours to obtain other subsidi<>
and also to transfer them to Beemer? — A. Yes.

Q. Did the company carry out that provision? — A. Yes, they did.

Q. "What other subsidies did they get? — A. There were a number <j
additional subsidies obtained after that date.

Q. Do you remember what they were ? — A. Yes, I can specify thenj
Do you refer to Dominion subsidies only ?

Q. I suppose Dominion subsidies only? — A. In 1884 a subsidy was oil
tained from the Dominion for thirty-two (32) miles between the C P. B
junction and St. Raymond.

Q. How much?— A. $3,200 a mile or $96,000.00 altogether. In 1881
an additional subsidy of $1,961.00 per mile was obtained on about 95 miles (j
difficult work to the north of what was then constructed.

Q: I suppose that subsidy commenced at the point fifty miles north (
St. Raymond ? — A I believe it did.

Q. "Was that granted in 1886?— A. Yes, it amounted to about $186,000.0(|
In 1887 a subsidy was granted for a short mileage of nine miles, amountin;
altogether to $28,800.00.

Q. What mileage was that? — A. That was for an error in the calcuhl
lion in the mileage which had been made in previous applications. It we!
not an additional subsidy, but a subsidy for additional mileage.

Q. W 1 1 ere did this additional mileage come in? — A. We contended thi!
it came in at the north end of the road.

Q. And someone else contended that it came in somewhere else? — A
The ( i<>\ eminent contended that four miles belonged to the south end of tl{
road and would not pay the money.

Q. And never did pay it? — A. They have not so far.

Q. Why? — A. On account of that pretension.

< I Well, if it belonged to the south end of the road, and if the road wd
in a condition to get it, why did you not get it? — A. We thought we should!

Edgar versus Caron.

Q. But you did not get it? — A. We did not.

(,). Any other subsidies? — A. In 1890 a subsidy was granted for 12 miles
)f the new line into the city of Lorette. That amounted to $o8,400.00. In
he same year, 1890, a subsidy was granted towards the construction of a
nidge over the river St. Charles amounting to $30,000.00.

Q That is in the immediate vicinity of Quebec? — A. It is right at the
■ity, a very expensive bridge.

Q. That bridge is used by more than one railway, is it not? — A. Yes, the
juebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway use it.
Q. Is there any other subsidy ? — A. That is all.

Q. Anything about the subsidies to the Chicoutimi branch ? — A. Yes.

jln 1888 a transfer was made by the Government of the subsidy of 30 miles

which had previously been voted to the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway

.(Company amounting to $96,000.00, and in 1889 a subsidy was granted for an

additional 20 miles of that Chicoutimi branch amounting to $64,000.00.

Q. Is that all?— A. That is all.

Q. In what years were these transferred subsidies granted by the Govern-
ment to the original company? — A. It was a couple of years previous. I
think it must have been about 1886, but I have not got the exact date.

Q. That was a different company from the Quebec and Lake St. John ? —
A. Yes, a different company.

Q That is the company that was incorporated to build the railway from
Chicoutimi to Lake St. John? — A. Yes, and we bought them out.

Q. In the first place, you obtained a transfer from them of the subsidies ?
A. Yes, and everything they had.

Q. I think you made an effort to have the Government enter into a con-
tract with your company for the building of that road upon a transfer which
you received from the Quebec and Saguenay Railway Company ? — A. There
.was considerable correspondence upon that subject.

Q. But legislation was required ? — A. The Government would do nothing
until legislation would be granted.

Q. So that subsequently by legislation your company was authorized to
build the road which was originally to be built by the Saguenay and Lake St.
! John Railway Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. I notice in exhibit LJ 82, that (2) two subsidies are referred to, one
of $3fi4,000.00 and one of $80,000.00 ; will you explain these ; they appear to
be for the same mileage ; will you explain how that is? — A. They are not over
the same mileage. The $384,000.00 was granted for one hundred and twenty
miles north of St. Raymond.

Q. Was it not granted from St. Raymond to Lake St. John ? — A. It was
hitended to cover the distance from St. Raymond to Lake St. John, but the
| Government made an error in the mileage which was corrected in the follow-
■ ing session by the addition of twenty-five miles.

Q. So that the $80,000.00 over the twenty-five miles is not an additional
subsidy ? — A. No, it is for a different mileage.

Q. Now, were there any special contracts or transfers of subsidies between
the Construction Company and Beemer relating to the subsidies granted after
; the date of the contract, exhibit JS 2 ?— A. No, that contract covered future
; subsidies.

Q. And no writing took place between Beemer and the company relating
! to the subsidies subsequently granted, or was there any writing ? — A. Except
I with regard to the Chicoutimi Branch, that is a separate contract.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189'

Q. Was there any writing of any kind subsequently relating to subsidii
modifying or interfering with this contract JS 2 ? — A. No.

Q. The Construction Company carried out with Beemer the exact term
of this contract ? — A. Literally.

Q. In every respect ? — A. In every respect.

Q. What about the Lorette and Quebec Branch ; was there a subsequer
contract for that ? — A. No, the contract provided for that ; it was contemplate!
the time the contract was entered into.

Q. The only thing then is the Chicoutimi Branch ? — A. Yes.

Q. Will you produce the contract relating to that branch ? — A. I wil

Q. Now, the bonds of the road are mentioned also in this contract, J j
2?— A. Yes.

Q. It appears to me that there is some ambiguity; will you explain wha
was intended in relation to bonds ; that is, so far as it concerns the relatiorj
of the Construction Compauy with Beemer ? — A. It was one of the conside j
ations of the contract. He was to get $20,000 a mile in bonds.

Q. That is, the road was to be bonded for $20,000 a mile ? — A. Yes.

Q. And Beemer was to get this $20,000 a mile or the proceeds of tbj
bonds ? — A. Yes.

Q. Has the road been bonded ? — A. Yes.

Q. For $20,000 a mile ?— A. Yes.

Q. The bonds have been delivered to Mr. Beemer ? — A. Yes.

Q. All of them?— A. Yes ; that is, £780,000 sterling.

Q. That represents $20,000 a mile for how much mileage ? — A. For 19J
miles.

Q. The Government only get 186 miles ; how do you get at 190 miles ?-
A. Well, they did not vote subsidies for the whole mileage.

Q. The difference then is this last 4 miles before it reaches Roberval ?-
A. Yes.

Q. The actual length of road from Roberval to Quebec is 190 miles ? — A
Yes.

Q. You refer to the length passing over the North Shore, and in the bas
of the triangle to Quebec? — A. The mileage is the same in both cases.

Q. Is the Lorette Branch bonded also ? — A. Yes.

Q. How many miles have you then bonded ? — A. 190 miles.

<v>. You say 190 miles altogether? — A. Yes, we have taken up the rail
on the old line.

(I That is from Lorette to Quebec, as shown by the two sides of the triar
gle ; the rails have been taken up? — A Yes, they were taken up as far as th
C. P. R. Junction, a distance of eight miles.

<v>. Now, the road runs over the Lorette line ? — A. Yes.

Q What did you say the total amount of the bonds was ? — A. £780,00'
Bterling.

Q. I suppose that may be transferred into our currency at $4.86? — A. 1
comes within $3000 or $4000 of $20,000 per mile.

Q. That practically represents $20,000.00 per mile?— A. Yes.

Q. By ili«' contract, exhibit JS 2, it was provided that $450,000.00 shoul<
be paid to the Construction Company? — A. Yes.

Q. I Ins that sum been paid? — A. No.

Q. No part of it has been paid ? — A. No portion of it.

Q. Then the contract has not been carried out in its entirety, as you men
tioned a moment ago?— A. Well, not on his side; that was Mr. Beemer';
obligation and he was unable to fulfil it.

Edgar versus Caron.

<l But the contract provides for the deposits of the bonds in the hands
of the trustees ; have these bonds never been deposited in the hands ot the
hrUBtees? — A. Well, the unsold portion of the bonds are now held for other
debts than those contemplated by that contract.

Q. That is a very vague statement concerning them ; I should like to know
what has become of these bonds. Will you please explain how they have
been dealt with? — A. Well, a portion of them were sold in London.

Q. What portion ?— A. About £420,000 sterling.

Q. By whom ? — A. They were sold by Beemer's agents.

Q. How are the bonds drawn ; perhaps you may have one of them or a
blank of one of them ? — A. I have not got one ; they were £100 sterling bonds.

Q. You said there were £420,000 sterling sold in London ; the rest are
not sold ?— A. No.

Q. You say that the amount specified by the contract between the Con-
struction Company and Beemer to be paid to the Construction Company has
not been paid. Why is that? — A. Because he has never had funds to do so
owing to these unsold bonds.

Q. But the contract specifies that $200,000.00 are to be paid out of the
moneys derived from the first sale of bonds, to be issued on the first and
second sections of the road. Why did not the company insist upon the pay-
ment of this? — A. Because he could not touch the money.

Q. It seems then that five per cent was to be retained by the company
upon the progress estimates to pay these bonds ; how does it happen that the
company did not retain the five per cent ? — A. Not to pay the bonds.

Q. But to pay the $450,000.00?— A. Towards it.

Q. Was five per cent retained ? — A. It was not exacted.

Q. Then you mean to say the contract has not been carried out? — A. In
that respect, it has not.

Q. Then, Mr. Scott, you claim that so far as anything has been received
or realized in connection with this contract, either from subsidies or bonds,
that it has gone to Mr. Beemer and to Mr. Beemer alone ; do you claim that ?
— A. It has gone into the work.

Q. Mr. Beemer was doing the work, was he not ? — A. I do not think
Mr. Beemer is any richer for it.

Q. He would be poorer if he had it not ? — A. I suppose he would.

Q. That is not an exact answer to my question. I want to know whether
Mr. Beemer has got the whole proceeds both of bonds and subsidies relating
to that road? — A. Yes, he has had all the subsidies, and he has had all the
proceeds of all the bonds that were sold.

Q. The proceeds of all the bonds sold from beginning to end ? — A. Yes.

Q. Nobody has had a cent but him ? — A. Nobody that I know of has
ever touched a cent but him.

Q. You have been pretty active yourself, Mr. Scott, and you must have
performed an immense amount of labour in connection with this road; how has
that been remunerated ? — A. I was paid a salary by the company.

Q. Which company ; by Beemer ? — A. By the Construction Company.

Q. And although the Construction Company has not had a cent, they still
pay salaries to officers ? — A. If you look at the contract you will see that
there is a provision for paying office expenses of $11,000.00 per year.

Q. This $11,000.00 has been paid, has it? — A. Oh, yes, it has been paid.

Q. I presume the bonds were issued in favour of the railway company
itself ? — A. Well, they were made payable to bearer.

1)5

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893!

Q. But no person's name as the transferee was mentioned in the bond
—A. No.

Q. Now, by the 31st clause of contract, exhibit JS 2, it is provided "thd
when the bonds representing the mileage at $20,000.00 per mile on the firs
or second sections are about to be negotiated, they shall be deposited in th
Bank of Montreal, the Quebec Bank, or in the hands of other trustees to b»|
mutually agreed upon, and shall be handed to the purchaser by the sai(!
trustee or trustees in exchange for the sum of money agreed to be paid t<
them.'.' Was that ever done?— A. No.

Q; What was really done ? — A. The bonds were put in the hands of th»j
Clydesdale Bank, in London. The iirst claim on these bonds was the Provin
cial Government guarantee of interest.

Q. How was that claim protected ? — A. That claim in part is still un1
settled.

Q. Was anything done to protect that claim of guaranteed interest ? — Aj
Yes, the bonds were not issued till the guarantee was paid.

Q. Until the guarantee was paid ? — A. Yes.

Q. But I understand that this was a guarantee of interest running frod
year to year. Was any sum deposited to cover that guarantee ? — A. The sun
was deposited in this way. When first the bonds were issued and taken up
an amount representing the guarantee of these bonds was retained and hande<
over to the Government.

Q. The amount representing that guarantee was handed over to the Pre
vincial Government ? — A. Yes.

Q. I presume you have books in which all these matters are entered
have you ? — A. Yes.

Q. What amount was taken out of the proceeds of the bonds for th
purpose of covering the guarantee of interest ? — A. An amount representing
the guarantee on the portion sold was paid over to the Government.

Q. How much is that ? — A. About 40 per cent on the face of the bonds

Q. And that was paid into the hands of the Provincial Government ?— I
A. Yes.

Q. Do you know what the bonds sold for ? — A. The}^ . were put on th
market at 96.

Q. You don't know whether they realized that or not ? — A. They di<l
not realize that to Beemer. Of course he had to pay commissions.

Q. They were sold at 96 and there were commissions to be paid out o
that?— A. Yes.

Q. The result of that transaction simply means that Beemer has not pai<j
$450,000.00 to the Lake St. John Construction Company ?— A. No.

Q. And they have not exacted payment or tried to get it in any way?—
A. They could not.

Q. They did not, you mean; they are very lenient creditors, it appear
i<> me ? — A. Well, he was to pay out of the bonds and of course they saw th
position. Tli<\ saw it was impossible for him to pay when he did not sell]
Ee could noi | >ay what he could not get.

1 1 W liy < night it to be more impossible at that time than before, when tbM
made the contract with him. He got 96, you say, for the bonds? — A. Yes, bed
he did not touch the money.

Q. Well, who did touch it?— A. Well, £200 000 of it was locked up in |
Completion Fund for improvements to the road.

Q. Who locked it up there?— A. The trustees.

Edgar versus Caron.

Q. I thought no trustees were appointed? — A. Well, there were trus-
»r the sterling bonds in London. When the sterling bonds were issued
u Loudon of course there had to be a trustee deed.

Q Have you a copy of that deed somewhere ? — A. Yes.

Q. Then it would seem that if Beemer had build the road to satisfy the
rovernment and to satisfy your own engineers, it would not satisfy the
Snglish shareholders. Is that the meaning of the expression ? — A. Well, I
hink Beemer was a little too liberal in offering to put money into improve-
ments.

Q. So Beemer appears to have put up your $450,000.00 for the English
>ml holders ? — A. It looks so.

Q. Were there any monetary transactions in detail between the Construc-
iou Company and Beemer in relating to this work ?

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron objects to the question as irrelevant. Question
withdrawn.

Q. Will you please produce the books of the Construction Company in
vhich are entered its transactions concerning the building of the Lake St.
Tohn Railway ? — A. I produce two cash books and two ledgers of the Con-
struction Company from its formation up to the presenttime.

Q. Will you open them at the point where they refer to the matters
•eferring to the contract with Mr. H. J. Beemer ? — A. I now produce a state-
nent of moneys received from the Dominion Government in aid of the Quebec
md Lake St. John Railway Company and entered into the books of account
)f the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company.
This statement covers also the disposal of the money in question " exhibit
pS 3 ". I also consent that the books be placed in the hands of Mr. A. H.
rlimsoll, chartered accountant of Montreal, for verification of this state-
nent.

Q. I perceive that only the first of those subsidies appears to have been
)aid (as entered upon the statement which is produced) to Mr. Beemer, for
he amount of $24,355.55 ?— A. Yes.

Q. What is the item of $7,644.45 which appears to be here? — A. That
vas some duty which we owed to the Customs Department at Ottawa.

Q. Was it owed by the Construction Company or the Lake St. John
Railway Company ? — A. The Construction Company.

Q. All of the rest of the subsidies appear to have been paid to Ross &
Company? — A. Yes.

Q. How was that ? — A. Because Ross & Company advanced Beemer
noney ; the amount of the estimates as they were earned by the Engineer
nonthly.

Q. What evidence has the Construction Company got to justify them in
paying these moneys to Ross & Company ; what writing have you ? — A. We
;iave a transfer of these subsidies by Beemer.

Q. Will you please produce it ? — A. There were several transfers made
Tom time to time. I will produce them later.

Q. Who are Ross & Company ? — A. Well, the late James G. Ross was
n it.

Q. Was he sole member of the firm ? — A. I think so.

Q. Who represents his estate at the present time ? — A. It is represented
it present by Mr. Frank? Ross, of Quebec.

Q. You say that this transfer was for advances made by Ross & Companv
o Beemer ?— A. Yes.

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Q. Was the Honourable J. G. Ross in his lifetime a member of the Co'
struction Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. And a member of the railway company ? — A. No, not the railwa
company.

Q. But he was a member of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railwa
Construction Company? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you got any books here which will show who were the met
bers of the Construction Company? — A. Yes, these books here will show.

Q. Will you open them at a point to show that, and mention the nam<
of the shareholders, with the amount of stock held by each of the shar
holders ? — A. Yes, they are as follows: — John Ross, $25,000 ; James G. Ros
$25,000 ; William Withall, $25,000 ; James Connolly, $1,250 ; J. B. Renaut
$5,000; William Ogden, $2,500; Sir A. P. Caron, $2,500.

By Mr.' Justice Tait :

Q. From what period was Sir A. P. Caron a shareholder ? — A. Prom tc
first; he is still a shareholder ; the account was opened in 1879.

Q. He was a shareholder from the beginning of the company? — A. Ye

By Mr. Archibald :

Q. Name the other shareholders? — A. E. Beaudet, $3,000; Honourab
I. Thibaudeau, $2,500 ; Honourable P. Garneau, $2,000 ; Prudent Vallee, $50

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. I suppose all these parties were shareholders in the railway company
A. No, sir; they were not.

By Mr. Archibald :

Q. Sir A. P. Caron was a member of the railway company? — A. No, n<
of the railway company. I wish to correct a statement that was made he]
yesterday in regard to that matter. All these names were mentioned as bein
shareholders of the railway company, but that was not correct.

By Mr. Bisaillon :

Q. The list was sent to the Government as being shareholders of tl
railway company? — A. Yes, but it was not correct.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Sir A. P. Caron was not a shareholder of the railway company? — 1
He was not.

By Mr. Archibald:

Q. Look at your letter, dated on the 1st April, 1886, and addressed
A. I'. Bradley, Secretary of the Railway Department, Ottawa, and purport™
to enclose a list of the shareholders of the railway company, and say wheth<
the List attached to said letter, exhibit " LJ 31," is a correct list of the shar
holders of (ho Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company? — A.' No, it
;i(,t correct ; the names beginning . with Ross and ending with Vallee ai
incorrect ; they are shareholders of the Construction Company, but not of tl
railway company. The Dames of Ross, Ogden, Withall, John Ross, Connoll;
Renaud, Beaudet, Caron, ( \ arneau, Thibaudeau and Vallee; these are n<
shareholders in the railway company, hut they are shareholders in the Co
struction Company.

Edgar versus ( 'aron.

Q. How do you explain that ; where did the error arise ? — A. Well,

were really the people who were furnishing money to build the railway,

hey were shareholders in the Construction Company, and it was thought that

he object of the Government in asking information was to find out who the

hareholders were who were building the railway.

Q. "Who thought that? — A. It was thought by the company.

Q. Now, you headed this letter " Statement of the Department of Rail-
ways and Canals, Ottawa, of the Shareholders of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway ;" when you made that were you aware that it was the Quebec and
Ake St. John Railway Construction Company that these were shareholders
f? — A. If you notice, that does not say "Railway Company."

Q. This list was made out purposely ; there was no error about it. You
nade it purposely to indicate persons interested ? — A. Yes.

Q. You did not intend to give the Government the exact information
hey asked for when you sent this ? — A. I do not remember exactly the in-
ormation they did ask for. It was thought that the object of the Government
\as to ascertain what gentlemen were actually paying their money into this
ailway, and that was the object of giving that information ?

Q. So that when you made that letter out in that form and with that list,
ou made it after consultation with your board ? — A. I cannot recollect at
he moment, but I fancy so.

Q. Now, would you be good enough to give us the names of the share-
loldersofthe railway company? — A. That is a very lomg story because it
includes one hundred and one thousand dollars of small shareholders, proba-
i)ly five or six hundred of them and half of them dead.

Q. And I suppose their heirs have never looked after the stock ? — A. No.

Q. Will you prepare a list of the shareholders? — A. I will.

Q. Who are the important shareholders of the railway ; those having
arge blocks of stock? — A. There are no large blocks of stocks ; that $101,000
s composed of small amounts ; the city of Quebec owns a large block of
stock §450,000.

Q. But the city of Quebec is not in the Construction Company ? — A. It
8 in the Railway Company.

Q. Now, the only names on exhibit (LJ 31) who hold stock in the Rail-
way Company was the City of Quebec, and small shareholders representing
>101,000?— A. That is it.

Q. And none of the others were shareholders in the Railway Company ?
A.. They were not shareholders in the Railway Company for the amounts stated
here ; some of them have had a little stock in this Gosford road, of which our
Company is really a continuation.

Q. Will you now produce, Mr. Scott, the agreement between the Quebec
rod Lake St. John Railway Company, and the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway, Lumbering and Trading Company ? — A. I will have that contract
*ent for ; I produce the contract between the Lake St. John Railway Company
rod Horace Janson Beemer, relating to the Chicoutimi and other branches of
he Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Q. When you say "other branches" what branches do you refer to?
A There is one branch to La Tuque on the River St. Maurice, and another
to Riviere aux Pins settlements, that is not completed.

Q. And no subsidy has ever been granted ? — A. Well, not for the last.
There has been a Provincial subsidy granted for the La Tuque Branch.

Q. But not a Dominion subsidy? — A. Not a Dominion subsidy.

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Q. This I presume in reference to the Chicoutimi Branch transfers tlj
subsidies to Mr. Beeraer as in the other contract? — A. Yes, all the subsidi.
and all the bonds and all the stock pertaining to that road.

Q. On the conditions similar to those contained in the contract Exhibl
(JS 2) ? — A. Yes and in other respects.

Contract filed as exhibit (JS 4).

Q. What other contracts have you got? — A. I have the contract wit
W. H. Stevenson for building 12 miles of road, for which we paid him cas1
as he did the work.

Q. That is the first 12 miles?— A. Yes.

Contract filed as exhibit (JS 5).

Q. Thus that covered altogether with Beemer's contract and McCarrcj
& Cameron's contract and Stevenson's contract, the whole mileage of tli
road? — A. Yes, with Gibsone's.

Q. What is Gibsone's? — A. Gibsone's contract is for 16 miles, froi
Jacques Cartier River to St. Raymond.

Q. From the end of Stevenson's contract to St; Raymond was Gibson*/
contract? — A. Yes.

Q. And from the end of Gibsone's to Lake Simon was McCarron k Can
eron's contract? — A. Exactly.

Q. All of the contracts, with the exception of Beemer's, were for casl
wThich the company paid? — A. Yes, cash ; no connection with subsidies at a

Q. The company in the contract exhibit (JS 2) specified certain dedu
tions from the subsidies which are transferred to Beemer as being excepte<
There was the $100,000 from the city of Quebec, and I think $4^,000 whic
had been already paid to the Gosford road. These subsidies had been co
lected and paid to these different contractors as cash ? — A. The city of Quebc
subsidy had been collected on the first section of the road which was built b
the construction company ; that is to say, the $100,000, the $48,000 was tl
portion of the provincial subsidy which had been paid on the Gosford woode
road.

Q. I should like, Mr. Scott, to be informed as to the names of the Dire
tors, both of the Quebec and Lake St John Railway Company and of tl
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Construction Company? — A. Do yo
mean the present Directors?

Q. 1 want to know those who were Directors during the period coverel
by the Commission, namely, from 1882 to 1891? — A. Do you mean of tli
construction company?

Q. i mean of both companies? — A. The directors of the constructs
company in 1882 were W. Withall, E. Beaudet, Honourable A. P. Caroi
J. GL Ross, J. B. Renaud, Hon. P. Garneau, Hon. I. Thibaudeau.

<v>. Were they changed? — A. These directors have been elected ev.

since, except Renaud. Renaud has been replaced by Gaspard Lemoine, h

in-law, and Mr. James Rossi think was replaced by his brother-in-lav

Mr. Frank R

Q. Who are the directors of the railway company? — A. The directoi
of the railway company — I state from memory as I have not the books here
were, in L882, M. \\ . Baby, Simon Peters, J. D. Brousseau, K. P. Vallee, 1
A. Piddington, T. Ledroit and the Mayor of Quebec, at that date, was a men
ber - x-ojficio,

Q. There were none of the directors of the railway companythe same i
those of the construction company? — A. I think there was not at that time, f

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<,>. Sir A. P. Caron was not on the railway company? — A. No, he never
•

Q. Was the stock of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
h be transferred also to Beemer? — A. It was in the case of the Chicoutimi
mtract, but that he had direct from the railway company ; not in the other
iise, I think ; I do not remember precisely, but I do not think it was. *

Q. Would you mind saying what the amount of the subscribed capital
ock of the Lake St. John Railway Company was? — A. At what date ?

(J. On the date of its contract with the Dominion Government of 4th

ember, 1883?— A. About $550,000.00.

Q. That is subscribed ? — A. Yes.

Q. Was that paid up ? — A. Yes.

Q. All of it?— A. Not all of it.

Q. Is it paid up now ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. I asked you in the forenoon whether the list of the shareholders
f the Lake St. John Railway Company, which you furnished to the

raiment, was approved by the Board of Directers of the Construction
Company before being furnished, and you said that you thought it would be ;
an you ascertain that fact by looking into your Minute Book ? — A. It might
r might not be entered in the Minute Book.

Q. Look at the time you sent the list, namely, on the 1st April, 1886 ?
-A. I do not see any reference to it in the Minute Book.

Q. Do you think yoi* would have furnished that reply without the
pproval of the Board? A. No, I do not think I would.

Q. I suppose you can tell by your minutes whether Sir A. P. Caron was
•resent at any meeting of the Board which took place about that date ? — A.
"so, I think Sir A. P. Caron was not present at any meeting of the Board
iter 1880, with one or two exceptions; occasionally he would come down for
he summer holidays, and look in if there was a meeting, and shake hands
vith the gentlemen ; but to do any business, he was not there after 1880.

Q. That is when he became a member of the Government ? — A. Yes.

Q. And his residence was transferred to Gttawa ? — A. Yes.

Q. He then did not attend the meetings regularly after that date ? — A.
So. practically not at all.

Q. Except when he happened to be in Quebec ? - A. I think, on one or
wo occasions, he happened to be in Quebec when meetings were held. He
•ame in to shake hands with his friends.

Q. Is his presence at any of these meetings certified in your minutes ? —
A.. I think so ; whenever he happened to come in, I always put him down as.
)eing present. #

Q. I wish you would make a search to find the occasions when he was
present, so that they may be produced, to see what business was transacted?
—A. Yes, I will.

Q. Now, has the Lake St. John Railway Company, itself, got any books
)f account? — A. Well, they have since 1889; previous to that, practically,
they had no financial transactions.

Q. You say " practically ;" what do you mean by practically ; had they
my at all ?— A. No, they had none at all.

Q. They were simply a " prete nom " for somebody else, is that it ? — A. I
did not say that, I said they had no financial transactions. There was the
minute book, and the minutes of the meetings of the Board were all recorded,
but they had no cash book.

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Q. They had no cash book and no ledger ? — A. No.

Q. Well, now, the construction company kept a set of books I suppose fro
an earlier date ? — A. Oh, yes, from the commencement,some time about 187

Q. Is the first book-keeping referring to the contract of Stevenson ar
McCarron and Cameron? — A. Exactly.

Q. And after that had entirely reference to Beemer I suppose ? — A. Ye
and in connection with the working of the road ; they worked the road in co
nection with the traffic.

Q. With respect to the account that you produced, exhibit JS
which purports to acknowledge the reception of certain amounts of moneys ]
subsidies, and you state that these have been paid out in the regular way
the company. As a matter of fact, did these moneys ever reach the compatj
at all ?— A. Oh, yes.

Q. In what way ? — A. Through cheque.

Q. Is it not a fact that the cheques for these subsidies were paid und<
powers of attorney to certain banks ? — A. In some cases they were.

Q. In nearly all cases ? — A . I think the larger amounts were lately, bi
we always put them through our cash book.

Q. You put them through your cash book ? — A. Yes.

Q. In what way did you keep them in you cash book ; you never handle
the money ? — A. It was considered a cash transaction.

Q. I know, but you never handled the money ? — A. In cases where tl
money was paid to the Quebec Bank at Ottawa, we did not touch the mone

Q. Did you touch any of the money ? — A. Yes.

Q. Will you look through these cheques and see which of the chequ<
came into the hands of the Construction Company ? — A. The cheque date
17th November, 1883, for $24,355.55 filed in connection with exhibit D
came to the company. All these cheques, from exhibit D 2 to exhibit
23, inclusive, seem to have been paid to the Quebec Bank in Ottawa for Ros

Q. The first cheque is the only one that came to the hands of the Coi
struction Company ? — A. Well, there are five cheques here, payable to Fran
Ross, for the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, and they are ei
dorsed " Frank Ross, for the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
These cheques are marked D 18, D 19, D 20, D 22, and D. 23.

1 1 And were endorsed by Frank Ross ? — A. Yes.

Q. Did the money for these cheques come into the hands of the Construj
tion Company? — A. No, because all these subsidies had been transferred
\ Company ; they touched the money.

Q. The only money that was touched by the Construction Company w£
the $24,355.55?— A. Exactly.

Q. What did the Construction Company do with that? — A. They pai
it to Beemer.

Q. Eave you a cheque to show that? — A. I can show a voucher for it.

Q. Bui perhaps you have the stub of the cheque? — A. I think it was

pal cheques, as well as I can remember.

Q. I would Like to know how it was paid to Beemer? — A. I can get thr
Information.

Q, Now, all the other entries in your account relating to these subsidi
are mere book-keeping entries ? — A. Mere book-keeping entries.

Q. Will you please produce a statement of the accounts of the Queb
:""1 Lake 8t John Railway Trading and Lumbering Company with H.

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|3eemer, under contract, exhibit (JS 2) ? — A. What kind of a statement do
ou want?

Q. I want a statement of the whole monetary transactions between the
allies, showing the payments one way or the other, or the balance of account
Referring to all the transactions mentioned in this contract, for the construc-
i that road? — A. That would take a large volume.

Q. I do not know how much it would take, but I want to get a statement
>t that. You have stated that this account is nothing but a piece of book-
keeping. You must have an account for Beemer, under the contract,
lecause you engaged him to do a great many things, and he has to do a great
iuu iv things for you ? — A. On account of what ?

Q. Anything and everything ; I think Beemer had a right to run the
■ailway ? — A. He had a right to run the railway if he paid a certain amount
.■>n the $450,000, but when he did not pay we ran it ourselves, and we charged
iim freight for everything we hauled for him. If you want these freight
iccounts, it will take a volume that will involve a month of book-keeping to
g>et at. I do not see that this has anything to do with the account ; he paid
for these things out of other resources than the subsidies.
By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Did not he credit your Construction Company with all these moneys
he received from the Construction Company? — A. I suppose he did in his
account.

Q. Is not there any money account between Mr. Beemer and the
Construction Company ? — A. No, he had no running account, he paid every
month.

By Mr. Bisaillon :

Q. How did you account for the $11,000 he was to pay every year? — A.
He paid every month, according to the contract.

Q: Did you keep any account of that ? — A. We did ; these books will
show that.

By Mr. Archibald :

Q. You say the only accounts between you and Mr. Beemer are freight
accounts and office accounts ? — A. Yes, and the entries which we term " book
keeping entries " of the subsidies on the one side and paid on the other.

Q. I suppose the provincial subsidies were treated in the same way ? —
A. Yes.

Q. I want the books and these accounts investigated by a competent
authority ? — A. As far as the subsidies are concerned, both Provincial and
Dominion, a sheet of foolscap will show what mone}rs were received, and what
we did with them.

Mr. Archibald. — I ask for an order, Your Honors, that the accounts
between the Construction Company and Mr. Beemer may be submitted to
an expert accountant during this afternoon and evening.

Mr. Pentland. — There is no objection to that.

Mr. Archibald. — I want the production of correspondence between Mr.
Beemer and the company, or any officer of the company, relating to the
moneys which he undertook to pay under his contract ; and I want the cor-
respondence in relation to his obligations, assumed by him in his contract.

The further examination of the witness was adjourned, to be resumed
to-morrow morning.

And further, at present, deponent saith not.

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Quebec, 23rd September, 1892.

Royal Commission to inquire as to the truth or falsity of certain chargj
made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, resumed its sitting j
the city of Quebec, this morning, for the taking of evidence in reference 1
such charges.

Present :

The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier,
" Melbourne M. Tait,

Commissioners.

The examination of James G. Scott, Secretary of the Quebec and Lakj
St. John Railway Company, was resumed from yesterday.

By Mr. Archibald :

Q. Have you produced, this morning, the contract between the Quebtj
and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, of date Apr,
30th, 1878 ? — A. I now produce document referred to, marked exhibit JS !

Q. By this contract, the Construction Company undertakes to construct
road from Quebec to Lake St. John ? — A. Yes.

Q. Is the mileage mentioned in it ? — A. I do not think it is, because tlj
final location was not in then.

Q. Without reading this particular contract, I presume that transfei
all the subsidies of the Railway Company to. the Construction Company ?-]
A. Yes.

Q. Did you find the contract with McCarron & Cameron ? — A. I ha\j
not been able to find that contract. I can give you the name of the notar
and the date ; the notary is Cy. Tessier, and the date is 1882.

Q. What particular date in 1882? — A. I can't remember.

Q. Well, subsequent to the contract between the Construction Compan!
and Beemer, the Construction Company had no more relations wit
McCarron & Cameron, had they ; Beemer undertook to stand in the place (
the Construction Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you the transfers and assignments of subsidies ? — A. Yes, I no^
produce transfer of subsidy, dated 24th August, 1885, from the Quebec an|
Lake St. John Railway to Messrs. Ross & Company, of $70,000. Exhib:
JS 7. I also produce another transfer from said railway company, to th
Eonourable J. G. Ross, President of the Quebec & Lake St. John Railwa
Lumbering and Trading Company, of the same date, for $26,000. Exhib;
-1" 8, I also produce transfer, dated 14th September, 1885, from said railwa
company to Messrs. Ross & Company, of $32,000. Exhibit JS 9.

I also produce transfer, dated 3rd July, 1886, from said railway compan
1- Messrs. Ross & Company. Exhibit JS*10.

I also produce transfer of date 27th November, 1886, from said railwa
company to Messrs. U<>ss & Company. Exhibit JS 11.

I also produce assignment from said railway company to Messrs. Ross
Company of date L6th November, 1887. Exhibit J S 12. *

I als., produce transfers from the said railway company to Messrej
& Company of date 18th November, 1888. Exhibit JS 13.

I als.» produce transfer of subsidy from said railway company to Messn
,:' " * Company of date 18th February, 1888. Exhibit JS 14.

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I also produce transfer of subsidy from said railway company to Frank

. Esquire, dated 31st May, 1890. " Exhibit JS 15.

Q. I see the resolutions here of the railway company do not appear to be
attached to these transfers ? — A. The notary may not have attached them, but
there were always resolutions passed.

Q. I asked you, Mr. Scott, to look up the minute books of the Con-
struction Company, of the meetings, both of the shareholders and directors, to
Bee at what meetings Sir A. P. Caron was present. Have you done so? — A.
Yes.

Q. Have you got the list of those attendances ? — A. I have, I can read
them, they are as follows : He was present on the 14th July, 1879, at a
meeting of directors ; on the 6th August, 1879, meeting of directors ; on 25th
August, 1879, and the 16th September, 1879.

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron objects to the attendance at meetings before
1882.

Objection reserved.

A. He was present on the 27th October, 1879, 15th November, 1879, on
the 19th December, 1879, on the 20th December, 1879, 31st December, 1879,
6th February, 1880, 5th July, 1880, 7th July, 1880, 14th July, 1880, 16th
July, 1880, 28th September, 1880, 30th September, 1880, on the 1st August,
1882, and at shareholders' meetings on the 9th and 10th July, 1883.

Q. Anything in 1881 ? — A. No, he was present on the 16th July, 1886,
at a directors' meeting.

Q. After 1882, he was only at two meetings of directors, and two meet-
ngs of shareholders ? — A. Yes*

Q. Have you any objection to produce copies of the minutes of the meet-
ings at which Sir A. P. Caron was present, from 1882, up to 1891? — A. I
have no objection, but it will take some time ; I will give you communication
of these minutes.

Q. I suppose that you would have considerable personal intercourse with Sir
A. P. Caron, as manager of the company, would you not, in reference to these
matters? — A. Yres, I had.

Q. In relation to the affairs of the company ? — A. "Well, yes.

Q. Yrou kept Sir A. P. Caron pretty well informed as to what was being
done ? — A. I cannot say that I did that, because he was living in Ottawa.

Q. You had correspondence with him perhaps? — A. Not very extensive.

Q. What do you mean by not very extensive? — A. Of course I had
occasion to go to Ottawa to see the Government.

Q. And on these occasions, you called on Sir A. P. Caron? — A. Of
course.

Q. You of course obtained his ready assistance ? — A. Yes.

Q. He went with you, I suppose, to introduce you to the different depart-
ments of the Government? — A. He did.

Q. To support your views on what you were asking from the Govern-
ment?— A. Yes, when they were reasonable, he always did.

Q. For example, I presume that you were after the Government pretty
often for subsidies ? — A. Very frequently, yes.

Q. Did you ask him for some subsidies that the Government did not
grant you? — A. A great number, yes.

Q. With regard to these subsidies, Sir A. P. Caron gave you a pretty
loyal assistance with the Government in order to get them — did he ? — A.
Pretty much so, ves.

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Q. Even with respect to those you did not get? — Well, anything th
was reasonable, he always helped us in it.

Q. I suppose you did not ask anything that was not reasonable, did you
— A. We. did not think so.

Q. At any rate, Sir A. P. Caron was fully informed of all your procee
ings with reference to the subsidies ? — A. With reference to the subsidi

yes-

Q. He knew of the transfer of the subsidies to Ross & Company? — A.
cannot say that I ever informed him.

Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron know that Ross & Company were assisting th
construction of the road by advances of money? — A. I think he probabl
knew it.

Q. And that the subsidies had been transferred to Ross & Company?
A. That I cannot say.

Q. Now, Mr. Scott, I think you stated yesterday that you were authori
ed by the Board to submit a list of the shareholders of the Railway to Ottaw;
when you said " the Board," what Board did you mean, the Board of the Co
stmiction Company or the Board of the Railway Company ? — A . I do n
think I said I was authorized by the Board.

Q. In your letter to Mr. Bradley, Secretary of the Railway Departmeh
you say "referring to your favour of the 19th February last, I am now i
structed by the Directors to forward you the enclosed list of shareholders
this Railway." What do you mean by that expression "Directors?" — A.
presume I was ordered by the Board to do so, but I cannot find it in th
minute book. 4

Q. What Board would it be, the Construction Company's Board or th
Railway Company's Board ? — A. It might be either, as both were interested

Q. It is just because it might be either that I want to know whicl
Board ? — A. Well, I cannot tell you.

Q. Did the Railway Company have any Board meetings at all in 1886?— I
A. Yes, they had.

Q. Are you sure of that ? — A. Oh, yes.

Q. The}' had one I suppose for the election of Directors? — A. They ha<
more frequent meetings than that.

Q. Then you cannot say which Board it was that authorized you t<
furnish this list ? — A. I cannot say positively.

Q. I Cave you any means of finding out which Board it was that authoriz
ed you ? — A. I will have to look through the other minute book.

Q. Were the financing operations of the Construction Company after' th<
transfer to J. II. Beemer limited to the operation of the road? — A. Yes, and
the receiving and paying of subsidies.

Q. Which, as a matter of fact, you only nominally received and nominally
paid '.' — A. Well, as far as the Dominion is concerned, yes.

Q. Have you ;i construction account in your books? — A. Not after thj
date of Beemer' e conl pact.

Q. None whatever ? — A. I think not.

Q. Von arc perfectly certain of that ? — A. There would be no occasion
we did not build the road.

(.}- • (li(l uot ask you if there was any occasion ; I want to know if ther^
[g any accounl ? — A. iSTot to my recollection.

Q. Will you look in your books and see if there was any constructioi
account, apart from that referring to Beemer? — A. I will do so.

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Q. Have you got your books here ? — A. Yes.

Q. Just look in them, now. — A. Yes, I find some items charged to cons-
truction account after 1882 and 1883.

Q. Mr. Scott, did the Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company subscribe or contribute any sum of money between the 1st January,
1882 and 31st December, 1891, for political purposes to secure the election of
Sir A. P. Caron and political supporters of his in the House of Commons of
Canada ? — A. Not a cent.

Q. Not a cent ? — A. No.

Q. As secretary of that company are you in a position to say that every-
thing that was done by the company would be known to you ? — A. Yes.

Q. Did they by way of loan or gift or by any other method, give to any
electoral fund or to any person for an electoral fund, to secure the election of
Sir A. P. Caron or any of his political supporters during the period above
mentioned ?

Mr. Fitzpatrick, of counsel for Sir A. P. Caron, objects to the question on
the ground that it is established by this witness that the Lake St. John Rail-
way was constructed by means of federal, local and municipal subsidies and
that it is not within the powers of this Commission to enquire into the disposal
of any moneys other than those which came from the federal subsidy.

Objection over-ruled.

A. Does that mean political supporters in the House ?

Q. Answer the question ? — A. I want to know the meaning of the question.

Q. Political supporters of Sir A. P. Caron. — A. I want the question
defined. Sir A. P. Caron may have friends in the City Council or the Local
Legislature.

Q. We speak of the Dominion Legislature ? — A. I ask you to put the
question in that way.

Q. I will add to the question the words " or to any of his political sup-
porters in the House of Commons of Canada ?" — A. No.

Q. Is it not true, Mr. Scott, that in the autumn of 1882, after the general

elections of that year, the Construction Company contributed the sum of ten

thousand dollars through one of the members of the Company to be used for

| election purposes, in connection with the general elections for the Dominion

i which had shortly previously been held.

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron objects to the question on the ground that
| is does not appear that this question refers in any way to the political party
with which Sir A. P. Caron is concerned or connected.

Objection over-ruled.

A. No.

Q. They did not contribute it? — \. No.

Q. Mr. Scott, you are aware that there was a treasurer of the election
| fund here in Quebec, the object of which fund was the promotion of the elec-
tion of Sir A. P. Caron and other members, his political supporters in Dominion
matters, are you not ? — A. No, I do not know anything about it.

Q. You never heard of there being an election fund here in Quebec ?
A. I never heard of it.

Q. You never heard that the Honourable Thomas McGreevy was the
treasurer of the political fund ?— A. I read something about it in the papers.

Q.' But that is all you know about it? — A. That is all I know about it.

Q. Mr. Scott, had you ever any conversation with Sir A. P. Caron regard-
ing the contribution of moneys either by the Quebec and T^ake St. John

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Railway Company, or by the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering
and Trading Company, for political purposes to secure his election and tW
election of his friends to the House of Commons ? — A. No, I have no recol
lection of any such conversation.

Q. Will you speak no more positively than that ; you say you have nq
recollection of any such conversation? — A. To the best of my knowledge
I never had.

Q. Mr. Scott, had the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company an^j
contracts, with any person, relating to the financing of the affairs of thai
road?

Mr. Fitzpatrick, as counsel for Sir A. P. Caron, makes the same objection
as before.

Objection over-ruled.

A. No, they had not.

Q. Therefore you cannot produce any such contracts? — A. No.

Q. Do you think you can search to see whether you are in possession oi
any letters from Sir A. P. Caron bearing npon the subject ? — A. Which subject j

Q. Matters relating to the subsidies ? — A. No, I have no letters at all
from Sir A. P. Caron that would have any bearing on this question.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q.C., of Counsel for Sir A. P
Caron :

Q. Mr. Scott, you have been connected with the Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway Company, for how many years ? — A. Since its beginning.

Q. How long is that, we do not know when it began ? — A. Since 1875.

Q. The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company was incorporated
for the purpose of building a road which had been in part begun by the
Quebec and Gosford Railway Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. The Quebec and Gosford Railway Company built the road from Quebec:
to a point beyond the River Jacques Cartier, River aux Pins ?— A. To Gos-
ford, 25 miles.

Q. They built the road and laid down the wooden rails ? — A. Yes.

Q, The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company was incorporated
to build a road out as far as Lake St. John? — A. Yes.

Q. That was a road in which a great deal of public interest centered here
in Quebec? — A. A great deal.

Q. There were subsidies granted by the municipalities and by the city? —
A. Not by the municipalities, but by the city of Quebec and by the Dominion
and Provincial Governments.

Q. St. Raymond did not vote anything? — A. No rural municipality
subscribed.

Q. In any event, the subsidies which you had at your disposal were not
sufficient to justify the road in being built beyond that.point when the Con-
struction Company was formed? — A. The subsidies, of course, were quite
insufficienl to build the road at that time.

<.>. [Jntil such time as the Construction Company was formed, had an)'
progress been made whatever with the construction of that road? — A. No.

Q. Therefore the Construction Company was formed for the purpose oij
building the road, practically, and found the means necessary to doit? — A
V. -.

1 J. 1 1" I mistake not, I believe that you were chiefly interested in organizing!
thai Construction Company? — A. Yes, mainly so.

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Q. You bad been for a great many years in the service <»!" .John Ko.>s &
impany ? — A. Yes.

Q. A brother of James Gibb Ross? — A. Yes.

Q. You organized the Construction Company in 1878 ? — A. Yes.

Q. And you induced people to go into that Construction Company simply
icause you were satisfied that the Lake St. John Railway Company never
ild build the road as it then stood ? — A. Yes.

Q. You took into that Construction Company Mr. James Ross, Mr.
William Withall, Hon. Pierre Garneau, Hon. I. Thibaudeau, Mr. James
Connolly and Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. Yes.

Q. Were these men chiefly of much financial means? — A. Oh, yes, the
best men in the town.

Q. Practically, the best men of the town and out of it too ? — A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Thibaudeau, Mr. Garneau and Mr. Connolly were men of large
financial means ? — A. Yes.

Q. Sir A. P. Caron at that time was member for Quebec County ? — A.
Yes.

Q. And the county of Quebec was largely interested' in the construction
of that road? — A. Yes.

Q. It ran through the county to a large extent ? — A. Yes.

Q. Sir A. P. Caron was also at that time a member of the firm of
Andrews, Caron and Andrews? — A. Yes.

Q. The firm of Andrews, Caron and Andrews had been solicitors for the
Quebec and Gosford Railway for many years ? — A. Yes.

Q. And took a lively interest in the progress of the road? — A. Very
great interest — yes.

Q. All these gentlemen "who went into that road, put their money into
it, did they not ? — A. Yes.

Q. Sir A. P. Caron put in $2,500, as representing the firm of Andrews,
Caron and Andrews ? — A. Yes.

Q. He has not got much of that back, has he ? — A. Not a cent.

Q. The other gentlemen who went into it, Messrs. Ross, Withall, Thibau-
deau, Garneau, all put their money in also ? — A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell us how much more the construction company put into
the road ? — A. The construction company put in about $450,000.

Q. And that has been the profit which they derived from their connection
with it; they are out of pocket $450,000?— A. That is about it.

Q. Tell us what the political complexion of the board of directors was —
was it uniform or was it varied in its colours ? — A. We always had two
colours.

Q. Mr. Thibaudeau and Mr. Connolly were both very strong Liberals
and both ran as candidates for the Liberal party in the county of Quebec ? —
A. Yes.

Q. Are you yourself a very strong liberal, I know you used to be form-
erly ?— A. I do not know.

Q. You have been a liberal, have you ? — A. Oh, I do not know.

Q. You have, but you do not like to admit it — at all events the construc-
tion of the road was taken by the Construction Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. And sublet by them to different contractors? — A. Yes.

Q. One portion of it, as far as Jacques Cartier River, if I mistake not,
was built by themselves? — A. No, that was built by Stevenson.

Q. I thought that Gibsone built a portion ? — A. As far as St. Raymond.

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Q. And then McCarron & Cameron from St. Raymond north ? — AJ
Yes.

Q. After McCarron & Cameron built the road as far as Lake Simonl
there was a lull in the proceedings, was there not ; the company then wera
out of pocket $450,000 as a result of these different contracts? — A. Yes.

Q. Did you look around for some time to get some person else to build
the road to Lake St. John ? — A. Yes.

Q. It took you a little time ? — A. Yes, it was pretty hard work.

Q. And it was mainly after special efforts on your part that Mr. Beeme J
was finally induced to take the contract to build it to Lake St. John? — A
Yes.

Q. You said you were connected with the road since 1875 ; am I safe irj
saying that you have an intimate knowledge, by reason of the particular
interest you take in the road, of its financing generally, and of all the financial
affairs that took place in connection with this contract ? — A. Yes, verj
intimate.

Q. Not only as secretary of the two companies, but also as being
interested in the road, you have acted also as a sort of financier, adviser td
Mr. Beemer, have you not, in a great many ways, so far as the construction
of this road is concerned ? — A. I do not know that.

Q. Have you not taken a great interest in his affairs and always been
willing to help him ? — A. Yes.

Q. It was largely through you, personally, that he was induced to takd
the contract ? — A. Yes.

Q. From its inception, that is to say, from the inception of the Con
struction Company, Mr. James Ross also took a very great interest in thd
progress of the work. — A. Yes, it was his pet scheme.

Q. Without Mr. Ross individually, even supposing you had the Federa
and Local Governments and Municipalities and all the rest, without Mr. Rosi
personally, could that work ever have been accomplished ? — A. No, never.

Q. Between yourself and Mr. Connolly and some others, he was induced
to go into it, originally, and after he had gone into it he contributed in even
way to the success of the road ? — A. Yes.

Q. And was always ready to assist and to help ? — A. Always.

Q. Do you know in what way the road was constructed, to your owi
knowledge, that is to say, the financial arrangements by which Mr. Beeme
was enabled to carry out his work? — A. Yes.

<l Have you a personal knowledge of these matters? — A. Yes.

Q. Would you describe to the Commissioners how that was done?— I
A. Well, it was done through advances from Mr. Ross to Mr. Beemer.

Q That is to say that originally Mr. Beemer took a contract to built a
portion of the road, at least the portion of it which you let to him, and all payj
ments were transferred to him, both the Federal and the Local subsidies
— A. Yes, we transferred to him or to his order.

Q, Then, as the work progressed, provision was made that the engineer'
certificate should be given of the work as it went on? — A. Yes, Mr. Beeme
never got any money unless that was done.

<.>. That is to say that Mr. Beemer began executing the work provide
tor by the contract, and as the work progressed the engineer of the company
made the progress estimates, and then they were certified to by the Construe
lion Company, were they not? — A. They had to pass the Board before the

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«Q. And then they were handed over to Mr. Beemer and Ik- dealt with
se certificates in such a way as he thought best, to get the money necessary
> carry out the work? — A. lie got the money from Mr. Ross.

Q. That is to say that Mr. Ross advanced to Mr. Beemer on the progress
estimates ? — A. Yes.

Q. So that the money which Beemer got from the Railway Company and
from the Construction Company, was got by means of these engineer's certi-
fies:— A. Yes.

Q. And he got nothing else from the Construction Company or from the
Railway Company, except that to which he was entitled in consequence of
those certificates? — A. He did not get it until he had earned it.

Q. Now, by these certificates, it was ascertained exactly the amount of
work Beemer had done? — A. Yes, that was ascertained each month.

Q. Then, as the work progressed, you said the money was paid over by Mr.
Ross, in exchange for these certificates? — A. Yes.

Q. You are quite certain about that? — A. Positive.

Q. Then, to secure Mr. Ross, or to recoup him for advances which he
made to Beemer on these certificates, the Railway Company transferred to
the Federal subsidy? — A. Yes.

Q And other subsidies which it is not necessary to refer to in detail ? —
A. Yes.

Q. Now, these subsidies, which were originally voted to the railway, went
into the construction of the railway in the manner in which you have indi-
cated?—A. Yes.

Q. That is to say they wTere transferred to Mr. Ross to recoup him for
advances made to Beemer, to enable Beemer to construct the road itself? —
A. That is it.

Q. Now, are you in a position to say with an y degree of certainty from
your own knowledge of all these transactions, as Secretary of the two com-
panies, and as having an intimate knowledge of Beemer's affairs, that these
subsidies voted by the Federal Parliament, reached the purposes that they
were intended for ? — A. Every dollar.

Q. Is there any possibility so far as you are concerned that any of these
subsidies could have been diverted from that purpose without your know-
ledge ? — A. We would not allow it.

Q. Could it have been done independently altogether of the allowing
business ? — A. No, it could not be done.

Q. Are you in a position to state to the Commissioners that you are
absolutely certain, from your own personal knowledge, that the subsidies so
voted, went through the channels indicated, into the construction of the road ?
— A. Invariably.

Q. Did all the transactions with Beemer, in so far as the construction of
the road was concerned, and with Ross, in so far as the advances and subsidies
were concerned, come to the knowledge of the Board of Directors of the
Construction Company ? — A. Everything.

Q. And on the Board of Directors were to be found, you state, such men
as the Honourable Mr. Garneau and the Honourable I. Thibaudeau, among
others?— A. Yes.

Q. When Mr. Beemer took the contract, then the road was built from
Quebec to a point beyond Lake Simon, was it not ? — A. To Lake Simon.

Q. So that practically it was not built one-third of its whole length ? — A.
About one-quarter.

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Q. And up to that time you state that there had been expended by thia
Construction Company, $450,000 ? — A About that.

Q. Which they had no hope of being able to get back in the condition
in which the road was then ? — A. Not unless the road was finished.

Q. And until such time as the road was finished, $450,000 were absolutely]
lost, as far as they were concerned ; you say that from the practical knowledge
you have of the whole enterprise ? — A. It wTould be difficult to say that it was:
absolutely lost, but the chances were that way.

Q. There were very few chances of getting the money back, as far aa
your practical experience goes ? — A. I would not think so.

Q. So that the only chance there was of the Construction Companj]
getting the $450,000.00 or any portion of it back, in your opinion, depended!
on the completion of the road to Lake St. John ? — A. Yes.

Q. Then the road being completed to Lake St John, it might be bonded]
and out of the proceeds of the bonds there- was something of a possibility oi
getting something of the money back ? — A. That was the idea.

Q. The road has been finished to Lake St. John ?— A. Yes.

Q. And the road has been bonded ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you sold any of the bonds? — A. Yes.

Q. And what have you done with the proceeds ? — A. The}' are all gone
into the road.

Q. You did not take back $450,*000. 00? — A. We did^not keep any monejj
out of it at all.

Q. You did not try to get any money out of it? — A. No.

Q. Your object was to finish the road and not to try to make money or
it?— A. We wanted to make the road good first of all.

Q. You used the proceeds of the bonds that you might have applied tc
the payment of these $450,000.00 in increasing the value of the property
itself?- A. Exactly.

Q. Did you think it ver}^ important in the interest of the enterprise thai
you should use your bonds in this way, than to try and get back what monej
the Construction Company had put in? A. That was the feeling of th(
Directors.

Q. That was the feeling of the very men who lost the money, they wen
satisfied to do that? — A. They were.

Q. And they have done it?— A. Yes

Q. You did not think it necessary to take the money out of Mr. Beeniei
at that time, to check the enterprise, to get your money back? — A. We die
not think it was wise to try it.

<l You did not think it was wise, in the interest of the road?— A. Ex
actly.

Q. And in the interest of the public? — A. Exactly.

Q. Now, let us come to Sir A. P. Caron's connection with the Construe
lion Company. As a matter of J act, who subscribed that $25,000.00 worth 0
stock that was paid into that company in his name? — A. His firm did.

Q. Whal was the firm?— A. Andrews, Caron & Andrews.

Q. They subscribed and paid for the stock, and Sir A. P. Caron was ther<
t<» represent their interests in the company? — A. Exactly.

Q. Ymi have given us the dates of Sir A. P. Caron's attendances at th
meetings of the I toard up to 1886, and I notice that from 1882 to 1886, h
was present at only three meetings of the Directors ? — A. Yes.

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Q. Now, will you tell us how many meetings there /aust have been from
2 to 1891, on the average ; you have one several times a month, do you ? —
Probably thirty or forty meetings each year.

(). From 1882 to 1886, what part did Sir A. P. Caron take in the

agement of the affairs of the company during that time, so far as he: was
cerned ? — A. He took no part at all.

Q. Did he practically know anything of the business of the company or
ts operations ? — A. No, he could not, because he was not here.

Q. Did he take any part in the administration of the company during
hat time ? — A. No.

Q. His attendance at those Board meetings were simply what ? — A.
Accidentally, in most cases.

Q. And I suppose his stay at the meetings would not be very prolonged,
is a rule ? — A. When he did come in, he would shake hands and go out
igain.

Q. Still you put him down as being present ? -A. Yes.

Q. His fees were large during that time as director ? — A. He had one
fee but he sent it back again. He would not take it.

Q. Now, you have spoken of the assistance which Sir A. P. Caron gave
von at Ottawa ; at the time demands were made for aid for the railway ; Sir A.
P. Caron was member of Parliament for the County of Quebec, and a Federal
Minister from this District from 1882 to 1891 ?— A. Yes.

Q. Are you aware that the Lake St. John Railway Company found Sir
A. P. Caron willing to help when they had anything to be done at Ottawa ? —
A. What do you mean ?

Q. Did you apply to him because he was a member of your company,
or because of the position he occupied as member in this District, to get his
assistance at Ottawa to put your affairs through ? — A. He was the member
representing the County through which the railway ran.

Q. And therefore you felt you were justified in calling upon him, to give
jrou any help that you could get to obtain these subsidies ? — A. Just so.

Q. During the time that this work was in process of construction you
occasionally had meetings of the members of Parliament from this District and
all that sort of thing ? — A. Yes.

Q. Meetings of Ministers and Priests and Bishops to help you with their
inliuence ? — A. We got all the influence we could.

Q. You did not pay very much attention to the religion or the politics of
the people you asked for help, did you ? — A. No.

Q. You had members of Parliament of both political parties ? — A. Both
sides

Q In fact every one around Quebec wanted to get the road built, no
matter what was their political complexion ? — A. Every one helped pretty well.

Q. Will you give us figures which show the amount of money they spent
or put into the construction of this road? — A. Yes, in round figures, the
amount of money that has been put into this road, has been $4,572,000.00. c

Q. That is money that has actually gone into the brick, stone, mortar and
clay on this road ? — A. It is the actual cash in the road.

Q. To purchase the road ? — A. Yes.

Q. Now, where did the money come from ? — A. §844,000.00 from the
Dominion subsidy, $1,507,000.00 from the Province, $450,000.00 from the
Construction Company, $100,000 from the original Gosford shareholders, and
$1,000,000.00 from the English bondholders.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1821

Q That is the proceeds of the bonds? — A. Yes, it is £200,000 sterling!
$1,000,000.00 in round figures.

Q. Which bonds were the property of the company ? — A. They were ia
property of the company and Beemer. These were $450,000.00 from the cU
of Quebec, and about $220,000.00 that Beemer owes Ross on these advancl

Q. $220,000.00 that Mr. Ross has advanced to help in the construction!!
this road, more than he got out of the subsidies ? — A. Yes.

Q. I want you to furnish us with the progress estimates of the work u
A. I will produce them ; I have only got one of them and they are lookilj
for the rest in the office and will bring them up in a few minutes. Til
progress estimate will be sufficient to give an idea of the method of doil
business.

Q. I want to show the business itself. Can you give us a statement f
the subsidies received from the Federal Government from 1882 to 1891 ? — L
Yes, I gave a statement yesterday which is filed as exhibit (JS 3).

Q. Can you now give us or have you any means of giving to us ta
statutes by which these subsidies were voted? — A. Yes, I now produce!
statement showing the different Dominion Statutes under which subsidies w<a
voted to the Lake St. John Railway, filed as exhibit (JS 16).

Q. Referring to the subsidy of $384,000.00 voted by the 45th Vic, ch. 1
for 120 miles of the Lake St. John Railway, can you say by any entry wh&
you have in your books as to whether or not that amount was received by ta
company ?— A. Yes, it was received.

Q. How was it applied ? — A. It was applied to the work.

Q. Who received it ? — A. Mr. Beemer received nearly the whole of I
There was a small amount of the first payment that was not received by hi
A small amount of the first instalment of that $384,000. It was for the tl
miles which had been partly constructed for the company, and it was pan
Customs duties on rails, and partly for work that had been done that vh
deducted.

Q. Can you ascertain from the documents which were produced by tls
Railways and Canals Department before the Commissioner that tA
$384,000 was actually received by Beemer and put by him in the constru-
tion of the railway? — A. I cannot say without referring to the document.

<,). How can you say so ? — A. Because I know it.

Q. How can you know it? — A. I know it because he only drew tl
money after he did the work.

Q. He could not get the money until he had done the work? — A. Y<

Q. You are absolutely certain as to that ? — A. I am positive.

1 1 And without that statement you do not depend conclusively on yoj'
memory, but that established by the books of your company, and ti
knowledge which you derive from the examination of the books and docj-
menta in your possession? — A. Yes, these books and documents are f
tlic disposal of the Commission to verify the fact if necessary.

Q. Will that answer apply to the subsequent items in the Exhibit J
L6, in reference to the $80,000 voted by 48 and 49 Vic. chap 59, ai
$1*0.295 voted by 49 Vic. chap. 10 ?— A. Yes, the only item out of tlf
amounl thai Beemer did not receive directly was $26,000 out of the $96,0'
item thai the company retained from him for freight accounts that he owed, a
for tlic deduction of the interest of the $450 which he owed the company.

Q. So when you say (hat this money was not received by Beemer dire
you however pul that money on the credit side of his account in your book:

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Edgar versus Caron.

— A. Yes, exactly, it was really for work done. He got the money in the
shape of freight ; we hauled his materials and freight.

Q. Now, by what means are these payments made by the Federal
Btovernment ; on what documentary evidence ofthework done did the Federal
Government make the advances? — A. They inspected every ten miles.

Q. When you say "they," who do you mean? — A. The Kngirieer, Mr.
Ridout.

Q. And on this report, the Government paid the money to the party to
whom the subsidy bad been transferred in 10 mile sections ? — A. Yes.

Q. So that there was no money paid by the Federal Government out of
these subsidies until after such time as the letter of the law had been com-
plied with, in so far as the inspection was concerned ?»— A. No, and it was very
diiftcult to get it then.

Q. Why do you say that? — A. They were very hard to please.

Q. You mean to say they were very particular that the work had been
done and the money earned? — A. Oh, yes, the most trivial things were set up
as a reason for delay. If we neglected to do the most trivial work it was not
paid.

Q. I notice here a subsidy in Exhibit (JS 16) of $28,800 which purports
to have been given to the company by Act 50-51 Vic, chap. 10, which you
call "short mileage nine miles." Is there anything particular about that sub-
sidy as to how it came to be given and the reason of it? — A. It was for nine
miles that the Government had short, estimating the length of the road.

Q. What was the real length of the road ? — A. The real length of the
road was what we represented it to be.

Q. What was that? — A. One hundred and ninety miles.

Q. They paid you for 18 1 miles at first, and gave you the other 9 miles
afterwards ? — A. They promised us the other 9 miles, but we have not got it
yet.

Q. At all events this item of $28,800 was for 9 miles which had been
short on the original calculation as to the length of the road? — A. Yes.

Q. And the $28,800 was given to cover that shortage? — A. Yes.

Q. Have vou received that $28,800 ? — A. We have received five miles
of it.

Q. The balance has not been paid ? — A. The other four miles has not yet
been paid.

Q. Was there anything unusual or anything peculiar about that subsidy
for this nine miles, or was it in the regular course of business ? — A. It was in
the ordinary course.

Q. It was applied for as soon as you had ascertained that the mileage
was short in the original subsidy? — A. Yes.

Q. And granted in the regular course of business, as a matter of course?
—A. Yes.

Q. Now, with reference to the subsidy granted by the 53 Vic, chap. 2,
of $38,400 for the Lorette line of 12 miles, have you received that? — A.
Yes, all but about $400, which still remains unpaid.

Q. What about the St. Charles bridge? — A. We have received that
$30,000.

Q. What did the bridge cost? — A. The estimated value of the bridge was
$200,000.

Q. To your knowledge, was any application made by the company, sup-
ported by Sir A. P. Caron, to obtain any of these subsidies, by reason of any

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corrupt payment or any bargain, or any promise of any corrupt payment?— i
A. Not at all.

Q. Was any suggestion made at any time of anything of that sort ? — Aj
No, never.

Q. ."Were your demands for subsidies generally supported by the people
of this district and the people of the county of Chicoutimi ? — A. Yes.

Q. Were your applications made in the regular way by correspondence!
with the department ? — A. Yes, invariably.

Q. Nothing done outside but what appears by the official correspondencd
to obtain these subsidies ? — A. Except personal solicitation.

Q. That personal solicitation, was it largely by petitions ? — A. Yes.

Q. Deputations of public men from the district who called on the Minis-i
ter of Railways at Ottawa to get this ? — A. Yes.

Q. There was nothing done outside of that? — A. No.

Q. That you know of your own certain knowledge?— A. Yes.

Q. While I understand that your company has been very flush, yet youj
have not always had a great deal of money to throw away for elections of that;
sort, I presume, Mr. Scott ? — A. No.

Q. Now, Mr. Scott, I want to trace this money as far as it is possible tc
trace it, from the Federal Exchequer into the roadbed and I want you to give
us the documents which are necessary to do that ; the progress estimates, the
transfers and everything else ? — A. I will give you all the progress estimate?
that I can find.

Q. Have you got them with you ? — A. They will be here in a few|
minutes ; I have sent for them ; they are all in the same form as the one yonj
have got.

Q. You have said that there were £200,000 worth of bonds sold ; who
sold those bonds ? — A. They were sold by Cotts and Son, of London.

Q. The proceeds of the sale were handed over to whom? — A. The pro
ceeds of the sale were put in trust.

Q. For the benefit of ? — A. For the benefit of the bond holders. Thatj
is, for the completion and equipment of the road.

Q. You said this morning that the proceeds of the sale, the amount
realized upon the sale, was applied to the completion of the road. Now, what
works were done by this money ? — A. Here is a list ; the annual report oi
the company ; which shows the amount of expenditure of that trust fund and;
\\ biph will be found on page 6 of report of the annual meeting of shareholders
on the 12th May, 1892.

Exhibit .1 S 17.

Q. All the payments made by the Government to the parties in exhibit]
• I S 3, were made, I presume, on the estimates of the Government Engineer rj
— A. Yes, on the report of the Inspection of the Government Engineer.

<,>. Il< also furnished to the Government the progress estimates of the
work done ? — A. No.

Q. The Government engineer simply came on the road and made an
inspection and ascertained whether or not the work had been done in accord-'
ance with the conditions of the subsidy contract? — A. Yes, he had access, olj
course, to any documents that he wished, to ascertain for himself what we nacij
done.

Q. Vmi said that reports were made by him after careful and actual
inspection ? — A. I Bay that in this statement of moneys received from the!
Dominion ( tovernment, several payments appear to have been made to Rose)

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v Company, and these payments were made to Ross & Company to recoup
them for advances made to Beemer to enable him to do the work, that is, for
advances on the progress estimates.

1 1 That is to say that Ross did not make the advances to Beemer until
Mich time as Beemer handed to him the progress estimates prepared by the
company's engineer and certified by the directors of the Construction
Company ? — A. Yes, and certified as such.

Q. I see here that the second item in the statement of subsidies, exhibit
(J S 16) says, "Short mileage 25 miles $80,000.00 "?— A. I explained that in
my evidence yesterday. The first vote of the subsidy that was given stated
the mileage from St. Raymond to Lake St. John to be 120 miles. That was
an error on the part of the Railway Department at Ottawa ; the mileage was
estimated afterwards to be 145 miles, and it was corrected the following
session.

Q. So that that was simply a clerical error? — A. Yes, it was ; Sir Charles
Tupper was then Minister of Railways. We pointed that out to him and he
had it corrected next session.

Q. You discovered the error soon after the first act was passed ? — A. Yes.

Q. "Was that 46 Vic. so passed for the purpose of correcting that ? — A.

Yes.

Q. What about this additional subsidy of $96,000 for the 32 miles from
the Canadian Pacific Railway Junction ; how did that come to be an additional
subsidy ? — A. That portion of the road had been built, but there was some-
thing to do on it and some equipment to be put on it, and we applied to the
Government for a subsidy for it and they gave it to us.

Q. Was that additional subsidy covering the same ground as subsidies
by 45 Vic? — A. Oh, no, that ground had never been covered before.

Q. That was a subsidy for a portion of the line which had never been
subsidized by the Federal Government? — A. Exactly.

Q. How did you come to get that subsidy, do you remember having
done anything ? — A. Nothing special, except that we applied for it very
frequently.

Q. Did you do anything better than that ? — A. In what way ?

Q. Did you have any person look over the roll and see for themselves —
any one of the officers or ministers at Ottawa ? — A. Yes, Sir John Macdonald
went over that portion of the road.

Q. And who else ? — A. Sir Charles Tupper.

Q. What position did he occupy at that time ?— A. He was Minister of
Railways.

Q. So that you brought the Prime Minister and the Minister of Railways
at the time, down, and they went over the road, and saw for themselves the
necessity there was for this subsidy ? — A. Yes.

Q. And it was after that, that the subsidy Avas granted ? — A. Yes.

Q. Did you give anything to either of them ? — A. We gave them a lunch.

Q. That is the extent of the currupt process you applied ? —A. Yes.

Q. I wish to have it right ; that portion of the road never received a
dollar before, and it received this $3,200 a mile from the Federal Government
when the work had been gone over by the then Minister of Railways and
the Prime Minister ?— A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain the circumstances under which you received the sum
of $186,295.00 by the 49 Vic. chap. 10 ; you call it an additional $1,961.00
per mile? — A. That represents an extremely difficult piece of work, and we

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represented to the Government that we could not build that piece of work
unless we got an additional subsidy. They had previously given, I think, or they!
did give, at that session, an additional subsidy to another road in another part
of the Dominion, somewhere in the west, and we represented to the Govern-
ment that they should treat us in a similar manner, and they did.

Q. And you got the additional subsidy in that way? — A. We got thej
additional subsidy precisely the same as two or three other parties got it —
§1,961.00 per mile.

Q. You urged upon the Government the justice of your claim, by showing]
how it resembled this other case in which the same thing had been done ? —
A. Yes.

Q. As a matter of fact, Mr. Scott, can you say whether or not there are
exceptional engineering difficulties connected with this road when you get
beyond St. Raymond ? — A. Oh, yes, we cross a tremendous mountain range
there. We cross the Laurentian Mountains, and it is a very serious piece
ofavork.

Q. Will you say, now, from memory, if you can, what is the level at the
height of land, compared with the city of Quebec, the point of departure on
your railway? — A. We go over a summit of 1500 feet above tide water at
Quebec.

Q. What is the difference in the level of the point of departure of your
road and the terminus? — A. Only 300 feet.

Q. So that you go up 1500 feet and you have to come down 1200 feet? —
A. We go to an elevation of 1500 feet and then we fall 1200 feet to get into
Lake St. John.

• Q. And that is an exceptional undertaking? — A. It is through the Lau-I
rential range of mountains, and it is the most difficult piece of railway work
east of the Rocky Mountains.

Q. And it is owing to all these difficulties of the work that you obtained
this additional subsidy and after they had been pointed out to the Govern-]
ment? — A. Yes.

Q. What is the meaning of this item of $384,000.00 for 12 miles of the
Lorette line, 53 Yic. chap. 2 ? — A. The object of that was to built a new en-j
trance into the city of Quebec ; the road that had originally been built was onej
with very heavy grades, which were found a great obstacle to the traffic.
There were grades of 132 feet to the mile and we had to use four miles of the
Canadian Pacific Railway out of the city of Quebec, and they charged us very
heavily for these four miles and for the terminus. The new location gives us ad
independent entrance into the city and it reduces the maximum grade to 68 feet
per mile, instead of 132, so that we were very anxious to get that 'built and it
was very greatly in the interest of the public that it should be built,

Q. Ami it has been built and the road is now in operation ? — A. Yes.

Q. And if lias been a very expensive piece of work to build. It cost af
good deal more than $384,000.00 did it not? — A. There is a half a million in)
thai and the St. Charles bridge.

Q. Referring to the Chicoutimi line, these subsidies amounting to $160,
000.00 mentioned in Exhibit .IS 16 were obtained altogether independently
of your company ? — A. Not the whole of them ; the first item was.

Q. And the second item ? — A. And the second item I think we obtained
by representing to the Government that 30 miles would not of course cover
the mileage and that the actual mileage was 60 ; originally the company waf-
t<> build from Metabetchouan down to Chicoutjmi.

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T produce the report of the Department of Railways and Canals for
» past fiscal year, ending first July, 1890, to 30th June, 1891, which contains
page 52 and following page a statement of the different subsidies granted
(1 the reason for which they were granted.

Filed us exhibit JS 18.

Q. The Chicoutimi branch line is now in process of construction ? — A.

JS.

Q. Did you get any of the subsidies ; have they been received ? — A. Yes,
tout five miles.

Q. Have you got the progress estimates, Mr. Scott ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you got the estimates given to the Directors for work done pre-
to Beemer' s contract ? — A. I have not got them here.

Q. Will you send for them? — A. Yes, I will try and get them.

Q. Have you got the last estimate of work done by Beemer ? — A. Yes.

Q. What "is the date of it?— A. 1st September, 1892.

Q. Will you produce the original estimate prepared by your engineer for
oYk done by Mr. Beemer under the contract with the Construction Com-
any, on the line of the Lake St. John Railway from July, 1884. to 1st
anuary, 1892 ? — A. There is the Chicoutimi branch, that is under separate
mtract. The last list of the main line is up to the 1st January, 1892.

Q. What is the number of that estimate ? — A. No. 41.

Q. The amount which you give of four million some hundreds of thou-
iind dollars, is for money spent on the main line and not on the Chicoutimi
ranch? — A. There is a little of it on the Chicoutimi branch.

Q. How much was spent on the main line ? — A. Nearly the whole of
hat amount.

Q. Can you give us exactly what was spent on the main line ? — A. It
,'oulcl take a little while to make it up because there are five miles from
■hicoutimi that we built three years ago.

Q. How much a mile did that cost ? — A. It cost about $20,000 — we may
ay that $4,500,000 we spent on the main line.

Q. At any rate your estimates justified the expenditure of the money — it
yas on these estimates the money was paid ? — A. And in no other way.

Q. You say you do not want to part with the original progress estimates ?
j-A. I would rather not, I want them, and I do not want to have them
!>igeon holed at Ottawa

Q. Have you any objection to give the estimates to the stenographer so
hat he may have copies made of them ? — A. No.

Q. What are the estimates you are producing ? — A. They are the
stimates of the work done by Beemer, from the 1st January, 1884, till the
resent clay.

By Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q. C. :

Q. Mr. Scott, you stated, I think, yesterday, in the course of your exami-
lation in chief, that $450,000 were to be paid by Beemer to the Construction
Company? — A. Yes.

Q. Now, how are these $450,000 to be paid ? — A. Out of the proceeds of
he bond.

Q. Why were they not paid? — A. Because there were not sufficient
bonds sold to give Mr. Beemer the funds to do so.

Q. In other words, he was not placed in a position to pay that amount ?
-A. No.

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Q. Did your company ever take steps to force him to pay that amoun]
— A. We protested him when the time arrived at which he should have paid \

Q. Have you a copy of that protest ? — A. Yes.

Q. A notarial document, I presume ? — A. Yes.

Filed as exhibit JS 19 of cross-examination.

Q. Did you take any other steps to force him to pay that amount?-
I do not think we could take any other steps.

Q. Why ? — A. Because it would not have been wise to do it, to jeopardi;
the work.

Q, Could you not have sued him ? — A. That would have probably stopp(
the construction.

Q. How would it have jeopardized the work? — A. Well, if we
brought Mr. Beemer into financial trouble by taking these steps tl
work, might have been stopped.

Q. Do you think you would have brought him into financial trouble hi
suit been instituted by your company for the $450,000? — A. Undoubted]
it would.

Q. What effect would that have had on the construction of the Lake
John Railway, apart from jeopardizing Mr. Beemer's position? — A. It migl
have had a very serious effect.

Q. In what way ? — A. It might have stopped the work.

Q. Do you know if it would have stopped the work ? — A. I do.

Q. Do you know of anybody else who would have undertaken the coi|
tract and carried it out the way Mr. Beemer did? — A. No, I do not.

Q. The accounts standing between your company and Mr. Beemer ha^
not yet been balanced completely, have they? — A. No.

Q. Are there a number of unsettled claims for extras outstanding betwec
you ? — A. Not that I know of.

Q. In any case the accounts have not been finally adjusted ? — A. No,
course, we look to the unsold bonds for that $450,000.

Re-examined by Mr. Archibald, representing the Crown.

Q. Mr. Scott, under cross-examination, you stated that you were acquan
ed with all the financial arrangements between Messrs. Ross & Company anj
H. J. Beemer with reference to advances. How did you become acquaints
with these arrangements ? — A. Well, because Mr. Ross always consulted id
about these matters.

Q. Simply from what Mr. Ross told you ? — A. I am speaking moil
especially ot the work.

Q I mean to say the financial arrangements between Mr. Beemer ad
Rose ? — A. Exactly. Mr. Ross would not pay unless he saw the certificat
and lie very frequently consulted me when these certificates were in

Q. Have you any of the details of the arrangements between themj
could you tell ns how much discount Mr. Ross charged Mr. Beemer? — A. j
knew thai Ik- charged him commission and interest.

Q. RJd you have any contract in writing to indicate what was tin
arrangemenl between Beemer and Ross? — A. No, I had no reason to have.

Q All you have, is because Ross consulted you occasionally about tl
matter? — A. 5Tes, very frequently.

Q. You state fliat the 180,000 of the subsidy that were granted for thd
portiou of the road between Hie junction of the North Shore and St. Raymond
were granted in consequence of that work not having been finished. Is thfl
bo, thai you wanted a subsidy to finish it? — A. Not entirelv so.

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Q. Well, what was it granted for? — A. That was one of the reasons.

Q. Did you examine the contract between the Government and the Lake
St. John Hail way Company with reference to that subsidy of $80,000.00.
Exhibit (LJ 83.) As a matter of fact, did not that contract import that the
work had been completely finished to the satisfaction of the Government,
before the contract was entered into at all ? — A. It says that the company
have already built a line of railway from the junction of the Lake St. John
Railway and the Xorth Shore Railway to St. Raymond.

Q. And it says that they have completed it to the satisfaction of the
Government? — A. One of the conditions was, on the company extending its
road to a point 50 miles north of St. Raymond, and satisfied the Government
as to all the compliances with that condition.

Q. As a matter of fact, was not that subsidy granted as an additional
subsidy for the first 50 miles north of St. Raymond ? — A. No, I do not think
so.

Q. Is it not referred to in your letters to the Government as an additional
subsidy ? — A. I do not think it, I have no recollection of that.

Q. A re you prepared to say that these progress estimates you refer to
will amount to the sum of $4,500,000, which you estimate is the amount of
money which had been collected from all sources for the construction of the
road ?— A. I think so, within a very small amount.

Q. You do not know whether that will amount to the exact sum which has
n expended or not ? — A. I cannot tell exactly, there may bo charges for
commission and interest, and different things that do not appear in the
I progress estimates.

By Mr. Pe.ntland, Q. C. :

Q. Have you any idea of what' that would aggregate? — A. I cannot tell
you.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C. :

Q. Two or three hundred thousand dollars do you suppose? — A. I do
not think it would come to as much as that.

Q. It would amount to enough to run an election or two I suppose? — A.
I do not know.

Q. Mr. Scott, this morning, introducing the transfers of subsidies, you
j stated that these transfers are made from the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway to Messrs. Ross and Company? — A. Yes.

Q. And by your contract with Beemer you undertook to transfer the
subsidies to him : will you please state how it happened that you transferred
to Messrs. Ross k Company? — A. "We always did so at Mr. Beemer's re-
quest ; he was a party to the transaction.

Q. And he accepts the transfer? — A. Yes.

The further examination of the witness is adjourned, and further, for the
present, deponent saith not.

Quebec, 29th September, 1892.

. I ames G. Scott, of the city of Quebec, Secretary and Treasurer of the
Lake St. John Railway.

On this 29th day of September, the examination of the above named
witness was resumed.

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In reply to Mr. Archibald, Q. G. :

I now produce statement as Exhibit JS 20, showing the details of the
actual cash expended in the constructions and equipment of the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway, the amount of money received and expended in the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, a summary of the progress estimates since
the completion of the road to St. Raymond, and also exhibit JS 21, being B
progress estimate for October, 1887, as a sample of the manner in which all
payments were made monthly by the company to Beemer. I also produce a
statement of progress estimates of work done by McCarron & Cameron, con-
tractors, from the 1st of May, 1882, and by H. J. Beemer, from the 1st of
August, 1884. This is a statement giving the number of each estimate, the
name of the engineer certifying to the progress estimate, the section of the!
railway on which work was done, and the amount of each estimate.

Q. Mr. Scott, does this exhibit J S 31, purporting to be an abstract of
the progress estimates contain, in the whole, progress estimates for the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway ? — A. Everything done north of St. Raymond.

Q. It includes also that portion between Lorette and Quebec? — A. Yes.!

Q. And the St. Charles Bridge ?— A. Yes.

Q. Does it include anything on the branch line to Chicoutimi? — A. Yes.

Q. What is the total amount of the progress estimates as appears by this
exhibit? — A. The total amount is $3,417,077, exclusive of rails.

Q. So the rails do not come into the progress estimates ? — A. The rails
and fastenings were separately treated. .

Q. Do you state that the progress estimate does not include rails at all? —
A. There has been one small item which has been deducted in the summary
I had made.

Q. How large an item ?— A. $17,000.

Q. And what is the amount for rails which you mention there? — A.j
The total is $431,508, and taking $17,000 from that, .leaves about $414,446.)

Q. So that you say this $414,000 are not mentioned in the progress esti-
mate ? — A. No.

Q. These rails I suppose went into the road ? — A. Yes.

Q. All of them ?— A. Yes.

Q. Adding this $414,000 to the $3,400,000 odd thousand, how much
would that make ? — A. $3,831,000 in round numbers.

il You mentioned the other day $4,547,000 as being the total amount
expended ? — A. Yes.

Q. How do you account for the balance between $3,831,000 and $4,547,-
000 ?— A. Well, the Construction Company had expended $450,000 previous
to that.

Q. Then, did you charge the amount expended by the Construction Com-
pany in this $4,500,000 ? — A. No. I charged them as an expenditure on the
road.

Q. So Hint, then, you have to add this $450,000 to that ?— A. Yes, and
:ilso $100,000 expended by the Gosford Company.

Q. How much would that make altogether? — A. That would make
$4,831,528.

Q. Then, there is still an unexplained balance; how /lid you expend the

-fit, ? — A. The real of it is partly made up. by interest which the Con-
struction Company have since had to pay the Quebec Bank, amounting to
>1 18,000 on advances made by the bank to the Construction Company, which

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e included in the $450,000 that they had expended, and also by interest
arged by Ross and Company to Beemer.

Q. How much was that ? — A. That I cannot tell. I made up a statement
sj showing what wTas expended, and, on the other hand, I put down the
uount due to Ross and Company, which is in the neighbourhood of $220,000,
1 1 I think the interest will quite account for the difference between the two
atements.

Q. Do you put the amount due to Ross and Company in your calculation in
t,543,000 ; do you add that in ? — A. Yes, because it was expended on the road.
Q. Then, what balance would be left for this interest and commission paid
Beemer to Ross and Company that you do not know the amount of ; what
dance would be left between the two statements of receipts and expenditures ?
-A. Well, not a very large sum. It would only appear to be about $18,000.
Q. From what you know, do you think that Ross and Company charged
eemer $18,000 for commission and interest ? — A. I should think the interest
ould come to more than that.

Q. According to you, Beemer must have put money out of his own pocket
ito the road ? — A. Very likely.

Q. Is that the way it appears according to your books ? — Precisely,
hese statements are as accurate as we can make them.

Q. Who kept your books ? — A. They were kept by two book-keepers.

he first was a Mr. Lennan and the present book-keeper is a Mr. Piddington.

Q. A competent; thorough book-keeper ? — A. Oh, very. I can refer to

Ir. Plimsoll, as to the manner in which the books are kept ; he will bear me

ut in that.

Q. Look at the sample progress estimate, exhibit (SJ 21), and state
►'nether all the progress estimates are based on the same plan and made in
he same way ? — A. They are all made in the same form.

Q. Will you just describe the way in which that progress estimate is
nade up? — A. This estimate shows the details of the work done on the differ-
ut divisions.

Q. Is there more than one engineer takes part in the estimates ? — A.
'fes, the quantities are made out by the resident engineer on the line, who
arefully examines and establishes the quantities of work done and returns it to
[he chief engineer. The chief engineer, with his assistants in Quebec, then
bakes up the details of this statement and puts it into money. It is
llivided over each division of the dine and each description of work.
;Fhis is then given by the chief engineer to the consulting engineer, Mr.
Light, Avho is acting as consulting engineer under the contract. Mr. Light
'hen certifies the estimate and it is sent to the board of directors. The esti-
nate is then read over by me to the board, and every item is discussed and
alked over, and if anything is found wrong, it is sent back to the engineer.
If it is all found right, the board approve of it and order me to certify it. That
a the form that is carried out every month.

Q. And the progress estimates comprise not only the returns of the chief
engineer, but the returns of all his subordinates who have taken part in it ? —
A. All his subordinates are responsible to him and have got to give him the
details of the work measured by them on the road.

Q. Under whose charge and control were these engineers at the time,
that of Mr. Beemer or that of the Construction Company? — A. They were
paid by Beemer, but they were responsible to the chief engineer, and to the
consulting engineer.

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Q. And were officers of the Construction Company ? — A. Yes.

Q. They were not then under the orders of Beemer? — A. Oh, no. The
had to do what the consulting engineer and the chief engineer told them.

Q. And all the other estimates are in the same form as the one now prd
duced, exhibit (JS 21) ? — A. They are all in the same torm.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, one of the official reporters of the House cj
Commons, sworn stenographer in this case, certify that the above is a faithfil
transcript ot my shorthand notes of the evidence of the above named witness.!

Quebec, 29th September, 1892.

Horace Janson Beemer, Esq., of the city of Montreal, contractor, beinj
duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Croivn :

Q. Mr. Beemer, you have been sworn in this matter ? — A. Yes.

Q. You are a Railway Contractor I think ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You have considerable experience in that business, have you not? — A
Yes, I have been a good deal of time in it.

Q. I think you were the contractor for the building of the Quebec anl
Lake St. John Railway ? — A. For the largest portion of it, yes.

Q. When you say the largest portion of it, what do you mean ? — A.
mean from Lorette, northward, to Poberval.

Q. Is it not from St. Raymond ? — A. I should say from St. Raymond
I beg your pardon.

Q. Northward to Roberval ? — A. Yes.

Q. And then from Lorette into Quebec ? — A. Yes, there was a portion d
the old road that was built, and we abandoned a portion of that road connec
rag with the Canadian Pacific Railway and made a diverging line into tl:
city of Quebec.

Q. Now, when did you enter into the contract for the building of th;
road, Mr. Beemer?— A. In July, 1883.

<v>. That wa3 with the Quebec and Lake St. John Lumbering and Tradiu
Company ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Llad you, before entering into that contract, made a close examinatio
of the work ?— A. No, sir.

Q. You did not?— A. I did not.

1 1 Wkit did you base yourself on in entering into that contract? — I
h is a long time since it took place, I was anxious to build the road, and ha
greal confidence in the directorate, I had a strong belief that the countij
wanted the road built, and I thought I was the man to carry it out, and)

went into it

Q. Bui did you inquire as to the resources you were going to have fd
building ii ".'— A I did.

Q. Bui did you not enquire in any way as to the cost you would incur i

building it r — A. Well, yes, I looked into the cost, but that don't cover tli

»und a1 all.

Q. Surely you did nol enter into the contract absolutely in the dark, an
\<>u did not know whal you were going to build: what means had you

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oowing the nature of the work? — A. I simply had the reports of the engi-

, vr who had been on the line.

Q. What engineer? — A. Mr. Cadman had made a preliminary nirvey
itli the other engineers.

Q. With Mr. Light? — A. Well, Mr. Light had charge of the work as
onsulting Engineer, I believe, and Mr. Scott had figures for some 40 miles,
ml I would say approximate sums for the balance of the line, too. The line
as not located, it was simply a preliminary line.

Q. Now, Mr. Beemer, did you, at that time, make in writing any estimate
f fche cost of building it? — A. No, sir.

Q. You did not? — A. No, I took it by the mile, I took all cash subsidies,
il the lands and all bonds, and everything but the stock.

( >. Everything hut the stock to be your property absolutely ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. How much subsidies had at that time been granted for the building
f the road ? — A. I do not think I can give you that answer exactly. There
;as a certain subsidy granted by the city of Quebec, of $450,000, I believe,
nd there wTas a subsidy from the Dominion Government of $3,200.00 per mile,
■ I remember correctly, from St. Raymond for 145 miles and then afterwards
here was a subsidy which wTas not granted at the time. Then there was the
'rovincial Land Subsidy of 5000 acres per miie, for 170 miles — I am speaking
rom memory.

Q. Was there a cash subsidy from the province as well? — A. Five thou-
and dollars cash, 5000 acres of land per mile.

Q. You knew, at that time, that the land subsidy was subject to be con-
erted into cash at a certain rate ? — A. No, I did not know anything of the kind.

Q. However, that was converted iuto cash afterwards ? — A. Eventually.

Q. At what rate per acre ? — A. At the rate of 70 cents per acre, 35 cents
o be paid in cash.

Q. How much would that make ; would you be good enough to count up ;
hen, you had the bonds at what rate per mile ? — A. $20,000.00 per mile.

Q. Would you be good enough to say what that would total ? — A. As I
emember, 145 miles at $3,200.00 from the Dominion Government, equals
464,000.00. 170 miles at $5,000.00 per mile from the local government
iquals $850,000.00. 170 miles at 5000 acres per mile — 850,000 acres, com-
muted 70 cents equals $595,000.00 or at 35 cents per acre $297,500.00; that
nakes altogether $2,061,000.00 I had from the Dominion and local subsi-
des. I think I only got $350,000.00 of the subsidy from the city of Quebec,
ind taking out that $100,000.00 it would make $1,961,000.00.

Q. That was all the cash that was in sight, apart from the bonds at the
ime you got the contract? — A. I think that is about it.

Q. Then you had the bonds ? — A. Yes.

Q. There was a contract about the bonds, that 40 per cent of them were
.o remain as a deposit for the guarantee of interest, was there not? — A. I sup-
pose there wTas a provision to that effect in the contract. The way I understood
hat clause is, that I am obliged to guarantee the bonds of the road.

Q. And to deposit in the hands of trustees 40 per cent of the bonds for
hat purpose ? — A. No, it don't say that.

Q. What does it say ? — A. There was simply $12,000.00 of bonds retained
n the hands of the company, until the bonds were guaranteed. 1 received
$8,000.00 of bonds per mile as the work progressed.

Q. So you had for the purpose of construction $8,000.00 per mile of bonds ?
—A. Yes.

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Q. "Will you please add that up and see how much that would he?— |.j
$23,700.00 per mile altogether.

Q. How many miles had you to bond? — A. The contract was first
build 175 miles, but it afterwards was 190.

Q. But the bonds were actually issued for 190 miles ? — A. Yes.

Q. And of which $8,000 a mile were available for building purposes^
A. Yes, as the work progressed. If I sold my bonds in the beginning of tij
work, I would have the whole amount, and the proceeds to apply to th
work under the estimates of the engineer. I got no money otherwise thai
through the estimates of the engineer.

Q. But there was the provision by which part of the bonds was to be tit
into the hands of the trustees to guarantee the interest of the bonds? — A. ill
not remember any such clause as that. There is a provision made for sellil
the bonds.

Q. And that provision is contained in the contract ? — A. Yes, and tlj
there is a provision for the progress of the work. I have not read the c< -
tract through, and I am not prepared to discuss it very much, further thi
what worked out in the practical result. The contract was not carried out, p.
fact the whole thing went on in a different way from what the contract statu

Q. You have stated that you had certain funds under that contract at m
time. Did you consider the resources which were transferred to you for tie
purpose of building that road sufficient to accomplish the work ? — A. I did It
the time.

Q. That is to say you thought that you could complete all that work i
§1,961,00'J.00 and the proceeds of the bonds ? — A. Under the contract, yes I
considered that I could do it and I have done it,

Q. You said you had all the subsidies and bonds of the road as y( r
property ? — A. By the contract, they came to me when earned ; they had to
earned first. There is a provision there that these bonds and subsidies had to
earned, andthe}^ were paid to me through progress estimates.

Q. But they were to be your property, no matter how much they shoi I
exceed the cost of the work ? — A. It did not matter ; it was simply incluc I
in the cost of the work, and my profits as contractor.

1 1 The common stock of the road, where was that ? — A. I had nothij
td do with the common stock under that contract.

Q. Will you look at the contract exhibit (JS 2,) Schedule A, and I
what was the object of attaching schedule A to the contract ? — A. Well, t
is always done in contracts ; items and works cropping up which the sched
rate does not cover, and that is put in as a provision to cover that, so that
contractor cannot ask exorbitant prices for doing the work.

Q. That is what the engineer considers as fair prices for any extra
thai may be done. Fair prices for any extra work or incidental work tyt
is nol embraced by the contract is covered by thescheduled rate? — A. Ye*

Q. Did you say that that was put in there to enable the engim
make tin' estimate as to what should be paid to you for extras? — A. W
may be paid for incidentals or extras, or coming under any heading whicft
qoI covered by these schedule prices.

Q Did you nol undertake to do the whole work, and did you |
specially agree that in consideration of you having had transferred to y
the assets of the company, all the sources of revenue of the company. '
there should be oo charge of any kind for extras? — A. That is a very vaj
(-«' in the contract.

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Q. You admit i1 is there, though? — A. I do not know if it is.

Q. I would like a little better explanation of why yon put the prices
down when you take tne work w'en bloe" ? — A. If you read the contract, you
will see that it provides for it. I cannot point exactly to it. That is put in

liable payments to be made.

Q. To enable the engineer to estimate how much payment is due you ? —
A. Yes, progress estimates. The bill has to be paid monthly, and that is to
enable the engineer to make out an estimate of the amount of money payable
every month.

Q. I want to know from you, whether the prices mentioned in the
schedule are fair and reasonable prices for the class of work it refers to ? — A.
Yes, some of them are tair and some of them are low, there is none of them

Q. I notice that there is attached to your contract, exhibit (J S 2), an
approximate estimate of the quantity of work to be done ; will you please look
at it and say whether at the time you believed that estimate to be correct or
to be approximately accurate ? — A. I believed it to be approximately correct,
that is as nearly as they could get to it at that time.

Q. That mentioned how much as being the approximate cost of the total
work ?— A. I think it foots up to $2,940 here.

Q. And at the time you supposed, of course, that that was approximately
accurate ? — A. "Well, as near as they could get it at that time.

Q. And without the sale of bonds you only had about $1,900,000 to build
the road with? — A. Perhaps I may say something which would open your
eyes, of the cost of a contract exceeding very much the price stated in the
contract ; for instance, you have much cutting which appears to be earth on the
surface, but it turns out to be rock, and it costs five or six times more than
earth — it may turn out that, or hard concrete material which is even more
expensive than rock — or foundation, which may be estimated to be ordinary
foundation, may prove to be very unusual, and very difficult of construction,
and all these incidentals are liable to come up in the contract, and they increase
the cost. We have to take our chances.

Q. And I suppose a thing may be thought to be rock, and afterwards
turn out to be gravel ? — A. That very seldom takes place, because the rock is
discernible ; when it does show out, it is rock, and it is not underlaid with
earth.

Q. So that your experience as a railway contractor would lead you to
ex}icet that the estimated cost of building the road would be largely increased ?
— A. Yes. I may give you one parallel case, and that is 14 miles on the missing
link line between Peterboro' and Omema ; the contract was for $180,000, and
it nearly doubled that price under schedule rate.

Q. You may be supposed to have anticipated at the time you passed that
contract, that the sum oi $2,940,000 would be considerably exceeded ? — A. I
had no idea but that it would ; I thought these rates here were as near to the
mark as they could get it.

Q. How did you expect to buill that road, which you expected to cost
more than $2,960,000 ; how did you expect to build it for $1,961,000 ?— A. For
•61,000. '

Q. Where did you expect the $2,961,000 in cash ? — A. Well, we expected
to sell the bonds, and realize the money out of them.

Q. Did not you know that you could not sell the bonds of a railway
until von completed your railway ? — A. I know it nowT, Mr. Archibald ;

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but ten years ago, I did not know it — I have learned a good deal in that terj
years. 0

Q. It seems to me that I see a clause in that contract that may possible
explain something; there is a clause there, which refers to the obtaining o
further subsidies. Now, as a matter of fact, Mr. Beemer, did you not expect a;
the time of passing that contract, that it would be necessary to obtain furthei
subsidies ? — A. I believe it was necessary ; I believe that the subsidies wer<:
given in a sort of irregular form, that is over a certain mileage of the road^
and I had no reason not to expect that they would not be extended the
additional mileage, and as we went along, we found it was very necessary t<
ask for more subsidies.

Q. At the time you passed the contract, did not you believe that yoi.
would require to get more subsides? — A. Well, there is a clause in therej
which binds the company to do everything they can to get subsidies, to usj
every reasonable exertion to get subsidies. I looked upon the Lake St. Job
Railway as a scheme which was for the benefit of the country at largej
Canada is all long, and not wide, and I looked upon this railway as bein!
necessary to get back into the country, and I believed that the people i:
charge of it were such that the road would be built ; I had faith in the directorate)
and faith in the country, and I laid my stake on that. I may have been
little more hopeful than cautious, but I was ambitious to build this road ;
was to build it, and I may be more hopeful than cautious, as I say. Perhaps, |
I had been a little more cautious, I would not have taken the contract.

Q. Seeing that you had faith in the country and faith in the people tha
governed the country, you would, I suppose, have faith in getting more sulj
sidies ? — A. Well, the road was worth it. The building of that road certaii
ly had a claim upon the country for additional subsidies. It had a claim fc
the subsidies it had then, and for all the subsidies it received, and I say to-da
that the opening up of that country, which is fit for the settlement of sever:
hundred thousand people, contains good land. I have invested a lan>t
amount of money in that country ; I say that the demands of that portion (I
the territory on the country at large required that the subsidies should 1
given to that road. Roads of far less importance have been more largely sul
sidized, and under the principle of subsidizing railways I consider that tl
Lake St. John Railway had a fair right to be subsidized ; I consider that j
has not been subsidized according to its merits, because it goes along tlj
Laurentian range of mountains, and is very difficult to construct.

Q. I do not doubt you, but what I want to arrive at is, whether at th?
time you expected more subsidies? — A. Ten years ago I did expect moresu

H<lie8.

Q. Will you tell me what reason you had ? — A. Because there was mil1
which had to be built .implied under that contract, and which was n

subsidized at all.

Q. But did not you expect to get additional subsidies upon the mileai;

on which you had already subsidies? — A. Well, in one case we did, for •

miles, and thai i> the only case I remember.

Bij Mr. Fitzpatrick, of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron:

Q. I)i?l you n<»t expect to get it?— A. I cannot say that I expected to g
them, but we found the difficulties so much greater that the preliminary surv
showed that we did not see any way to get through with the road. O
credil was not large enough.

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Q. You discussed at the time of entering into your contract, Exhibit (JS 2,)
he question of getting additional subsidies? — A. Yes, for this additional
lileage. You will see, I think, by the contract, that I was bound to go to deep
■ ater and bound also to go into the city of Quebec, and I suppose that clause
1 there was a consequence of a conversation in regard to these different points,
nd a general clause was put in in that way to cover it. I suppose that is
he reason of it.

Q. You say that you discussed that ; now, with whom did you discuss it ? —
\. I discussed that with Mr. Scott and the members of the board of directors
|t a meeting — the contract I may say was discusssed over a meeting of the
ihareholders, I suppose, as well as ot directiors.

Q. Can you mention some names ? — A. I can mention William Withall,
jpho was president at the time, the Honourable J. G. Ross, the Honourable
. Thibaudeau, and the Honourable P. Garneau.

Q. Did you discuss it with all the directors ? — A. Well, there was a large
number of them present, it was a large Board, I cannot remember exactly
jvhat occurred ten years ago, or with how many of them I discussed it.

Q. I do not want all that passed at the board meetings ? — A. Well, they
'vent through that contract clause by clause.

Q. But the contract I presume was prepared before that, and was the re-
sult of previous discussion? — A. No doubt of that.

Q. Had you not, before the passing ot that contract, stated to the board
hat it would be practically impossible to build that road without additional
jubsidies, or did you not state it to some members of the board ? — A. I do not
hink that I did, because we were calculating afc that time largely on the selling
pi the bonds, which we found out, owing to the changes in the financial hori-
zon, we were not able to do. After we got to work, we had to make a different
)lan of operation, and we worked along as best we could, on the means at hand ;
hat is how we built the Lake St. John Road. We went on economizing and
:utting down. I never want to build another one like it.

Q. I presume you are well acquainted with Sir A. P. Caron? — A. Very
veil acquainted.

Q. You knew he was a director of the company with whom you con-
racted?— A. I think I did.

Q. Hid you discuss the matter with him ? — A. Never.

Q. Never discussed it with him? — A. Never discussed the question of the
ontract, or the wherefores of the work at all. In a general way, I might have
spoken with him about the contract, but I never talked to him about any
[uestion of details of the contract.

Q. Never any question of subsidies? — A. Never, except when we went
o Ottawa to ask for subsidies ; we always went to Sir A. P. Caron, as the repre-
sentative of the Quebec District, and to Sir Hector Langevin. Generally we
•vent to Sir Hector Langevin. and then to Sir A. P. Caron, because we did
iot pass over Sir Hector Langevin.

Q. But all your discussions with the gentlemen was upon the capabilities
>f the country for supporting millions of inhabitants? — A. Yes, and the
benefit it would be to the province at large and to Quebec city.

Q. And no question, you say, was ever raised between you as to the
necessity of acting, further than the general question of the necessity of more
subsidies, between you and Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. No, sir. For instance, a
discussion came up in regard to the subsidies to the road for a certain mileage
into the city, which had never been granted by the Dominion Government,

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that was one point of the discussion ; then about the subsidies that we go]
from the sixtieth to the eightieth mile along the Batiscan River. We founcj
then that the cost was enormous, and that it was impossible to go ahead witq
out something, and we were stopped in fact, and that was under discussion;
The discussion was as to subsidizing between certain points. Then additional
subsidies have been given for the first short distance going out along th<j
lake beyond the 175th mile. I cannot remember now what subsidies thesJ
were.

Q. About what time did this discussion of which you have spoken takj
place ? — A. Well, I cannot tell you from memory, but I think that the quesj
tion about the subsidy for the 95 miles was something about 1886, or 1885, oj
along there.

Q. It was in 1886 that the subsidy was granted, was it not ? — A. I caul
not tell you the date, but I say somewhere about that period.

Q. Will you explain as closely as you can what was the nature of th-|
discussion between you and Sir A. P. Caron about that subsidy in 1886 ? — Aj
I cannot, I never had any private conversation with him.

Q. Did you say that you discussed that matter with him ? — A. I have
but I have discussed it with others as well.

Q. But with him ? — A. xTot with him personally. I may have incident
ally talked to him about the Lake St. John Railway contract, but not wit]
Sir A. P. Caron alone, because we always went on deputations to Sir A. P
Caron. I may have spoken to him when meeting him as to something aboui
what he thought could be done, but we never went into any details or int<
the subject, more than incidentally speaking, unless a deputation went d
Ottawa, and there were three or four of us together.

Q. Do you remember the circumstances connected with the deputation
that visited the Government in relation to that subsidy of $1,961 per mile
for 9;") miles? — A. No, I do not. I know there was such a deputation.

Q. Do you remember that you called on Sir A. P. Caron at Ottawa ? — A
I think we did, but the incidents relating to it I do not remember. I knovj
we called on Sir Hector Langevin and I know we called on Mr. Chapleau
and, if my memory serves me right, Sir Hector Langevin and Sir A. P. Caron!
and Mr. Chapleau, and other members were with the deputation when w<
waited on Sir John A. Macdonald. They introduced the deputation to Si
John A. Macdonald.

Q. You say that the deputation when it went to Ottawa, first called on Si
A. P. Caron or Sir Hector Langevin ? — A. Yes, we called on different minis
ters ; they would call on different ministers, of course.

Q. Why did you not call on the Minister of Railways direct ? —A. Well
be was always called upon.

<v>. But not first ? — A. These gentlemen were representatives of the Die
trict of Quebec and they were generally seen first, and then they accompanie<
us to the Minister of Railways.

Q. Now, do you remember when deputations went up to Ottawa, whei
they called on Sir A. P. Caron, whether you explained to him the nature o
your demand and the reasons for it ? — A. Well, that is generally done, but
do not remember the details of it.

Q. Now, did Sir A. P. Caron go with you to visit the Minister of Rail;
ways ? — A. I am not positive with regard to that.

Q. Have von any doubt of it? — A. I cannot say whether he did o
whether he did not.

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Q. Did he support your claim ? — A. Ob, yes, he was in favour of it. I
ave always found him in favour of anything that tended to benefil Quebec
.ml the prosperity of this province.

Q. Now, the clause of your contract which refers to this additional aid,
- a> follows : " The company further undertakes to use every diligence and
iffort in their power to procure additional Government and Municipal subs-
criptions or subsidies for the benefit of the contractor, and to do all and every
hing of that nature in as energetic a manner as though the Company were
milding the road, and more especially to endeavour to procure the following "
tnd then there are several subsidies referred to. Now, who was to bear the
•\:}K'nse of all these endeavours that were to be made for the purpose ? — A.
There were never any charges made against me, further than my own personal
xpenditure, that is what I had to expend.

Q. Did you expect that the company should be at the expense of all the
lemands that should be made for the purpose of getting these additional
subsidies ? — A. Well, most of these subsidies had been asked for previous to
this contract, and it was simply following up in the old line ; your reading of
ithat clause refreshes my memory in regard to that ; there had been applications
made previously, and these subsidies were expected by the company ; and of
[course I had to do something to, so I thought that it was necessary that they
should use every endeavour ; that was the outcome of that clause and of the
different discussions in regard to these different points of the contract ; you
know it is ten years ago and my memory has become defective ; I have not
bothered with that contract, I have had my wrork to do, and did not bother about
it, until some point came up, and I looked into it. There is a terrible amount
[of literature in that contract to go over, and I never bothered myself about it,
as I had plenty to do to build the road.

Q. You, no doubt, expected that this company would have a certain
amount of influence to assist you in getting more ? — A. I did, as I told you at
the start ; I had great confidence in the company and in the directors, as
being representative men of the District of Quebec, and men who would use
every exertion to built that road. They did not go into it for play, or diver-
sion, they went into it to built the road for the benefit of the country and I
had perhaps more faith in them than perhaps I should have had ; perhaps I
was a little bit enthusiastic.

Q. You were aware at the time that Sir A. P. Caron was a member of
the board of directors ? — A. I did not look upon that in any degree of im-
portance at all.

Q. Do you say you do not think he would have any more influence than
anybody else ? — A. I did not say that, but I look mainly to the board. I
knew he would do whatever he could.

Q. Whether for the benefit of the country or not? — A. For the benefit
i of the country and for the road too. I have always found him act in that way,
throwing aside his own personal affairs to benefit the country at large.

Q. Had you any private conversation concerning this matter with Sir A.
P. Caron, that is, concerning the subsidies ? — A. I do not remember that I
ever had ; that is what we might call private conversation.

Q. I mean to say conversation between you and Sir A. P. Caron, whether
it is private or not private ? — A. I may have seen Sir A. P. Caron when he
was alone, I cannot say as to that. I do not remember all these meetings.

Q. Do you remember ever going to Sir A. P. Caron to solicit his influence
in getting subsidies when you were not in company with anybody else ? — A .

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It must only have been in dealing with some general result which was decide-
on by the board and Mr. Scott, simply action in consort with the director
and the board of the company — never on my own private account at all.

Q. Never on your own private account ? — A. No, not in regard to th
Lake St. John road.

Q. Never to promote, as far as you knew how, the granting of furthe
subsidies ? — A. Except such as were endorsed by the company, and such a;
were first inaugurated by Mr. Scott.

Q. Such as were deemed necessary by the company ? — A. Yes.

Q. And by yourself as the contractor ? — A. Yes, and such as had beei
previously discussed by the company. Mr. Scott was always in advance witl
his demands, he is a very good secretary.

Q. I notice that a good many petitions were made ? — A. Yes, Mr. Scot
made them all, I never made any petitions.

Q. Did you not furnish him with materials on which to base thj
petitions ? — A. No, he did not want anyone to do that.

Q. Was Mr. Scott ever over the road ? — A. Oh, yes ; I do not know thai
he went over the location more than I did ; the first time I went to the en<
of it was on a locomotive.

Q. Now, I have asked you, Mr. Beemer, whether you had ever personallj
seen Sir A. P. Caron in reference to these matters, and in regard to tn<!
subsidies and so on. Did you ever request anybody to see Sir A. P. Caron anJ
to make any representations to him on your behalf, concerning these sub!
sidies? — A. I do not remember, I may have done so, but while I do not re!
member it, I may possibly have asked some other Minister to say something
in regard to these subsidies to the Minister of Railways ; but I do not think
ever asked them to see Sir A. P. Caron, because I knew that Sir A. P. Caroi
would do everything in his power that was reasonable to get the assistance fo
the road, that was asked for by the company. I felt he would always d
that, because he has always shown the utmost endeavour to do anything o
that kind ; he has always been ready to work for the interest of the country

Q. What I mean, is, did you ever charge any mutual friends of th
Minister, perhaps a member of the Board of Directors of the Constructioi
Company, to see Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I do not think so.

Q. I wish you would give a little more positive answer to that question
— A. Well, I gave you the best answer I have at my command ; you don'
want me to tell you something I am not sure about.

Q. Did you ever urge any reason outside of the needs of the road and th<l
fair demands of the district for the granting of subsidies to the road? — A
No, sir ; emphatically no.

Q. For instance, did you ever in anyway suggest that it might be fo
the interest of a political party in Quebec? — A. No, sir, I am not a politil
cian.

Q. You are not a politician ? — No, sir, I am not a subject of Her Majesty!
I am a resident, doing business here, on a commercial basis, and as such, mind
my own business, and don't interfere with politics. I allow my men to vot
as they please, and never made any enquiries of them.

Q. Then, Mr. Beemer, I conclude that anything that would haveapoliti!
cal appearance on the face of it, that you might do, would be governed ty
lit i uncial considerations? — A. I do not know as to that.

Q. AVell, if you have no politics, I suppose you would have to have som<
other interest ? — A. In everything I did in regard to the carrying out of thi

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ailway, of course financial figures largely entered — the finances bothered me
11 many occasions.

Q. But the question which I asked you was this, that if there is anything
bat appears to be done for political motives, it would in reality be done from
inancial motives, that is what you mean ? — A. I do not understand that.

( I Any money which you put up in political matters, you would consider
• as an investment? — A. I do not know, I never stopped to consider very
uuch about these matters.

Q, You say you are no politician, and have no interest, one side or the
►ther? — A. Yes, but I do not exactly understand your question ; if you would
ret right down to the point, I might be able to say.

Q. You have said you are no politician, and not a British subject, and
,*ou have no interest in politics? — A. You were speaking then of inducements
o Sir A. P. Caron, and that was in answer to a previous question which you
isked me.

Q. Do I understand you then to say that you are a politician ? — A. No,
iir.

Q. That you are interested in politics ? — A. No, sir, I am not.
Q. Then you are interested in your finances? — A. In my own affairs,
hat is all. I am a contractor, I build railways and so forth, and I try to
•any out my undertakings in an honest, upright way ; I pay my men, and I
lon't allow any men to go around the country screeching that they are not
[•aid. if I can help it.

Q. Then you have no particular friendship for either political party, is
that the case? — A. Well, I may have my personal regards for individuals — is
that what you want to get at ?

Q. Suppose, Mr. Beemer, just for a moment ; suppose that you had sub-
scribed to a political fund, to obtain the election of members on either side,
would we consider that wTas done, not because you wanted these particular
members elected, but because jou wanted to make money ; what would be
the motive of that subscription ? — A. Do you want to understand the principle
upon which I would subscribe, if I had subscribed.

Q. Just so. — A. Well, I will tell you. I am to-day carrying on under-
takings running into the millions in the Province of Quebec, and do you think
that a change of Government is beneficial by that condition of affairs ?

Q. Perhaps not. — A. That is all I have got to say ; what would you
do in that case ?

Q. Well, Mr. Beemer, if you should subscribe to a political fund, you
would always subscribe on the Government side, is that it ? — A. I might
make a reservation, I do not know, if there was anybody that I particularly
admired.

Q. Well, Mr. Beemer, you have stated that you expected to receive at
the time you passed your contract, out of the subsidies thus voted, $1,961,000
and subsequently you did receive these subsidies, did you ? — A. I suppose
they did, I never received any subsidies direct, I always received the proceeds
of my estimates ; you see these subsidies were given on one assumption in the
contract. Then a different mode of operations was carried out eventually ;
i first it was decided that I should take the road, and work the road, but that
was never done ; that was changed, and the result was that, not being able to
jsell the bonds, we had to adopt a different course of procedure, and had to
: get money as best we could ; that embodied financing, which I did through
'Messrs. Ross & Company, by transferring the subsidies to him. Mr. Ross

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advanced me on my progress estimates and ran his chances of getting th
subsidies.

Q. Well, you have mentioned these amounts as subsidies ? — A. They arj
accounted for in the statement.

Q. After that there were certain other subsidies granted, were there not!
—A. Yes.

Q. What were these other subsidies ? — A. I do not remember.

Q. There was, I think, $1,961 per mile for 95 miles? — A. Yes.

Q. And there was $30,000 for the St. Charles bridge ?— A. Yes.

Q. And there was $3,200 for 12 miles, from Lorette to Quebec ? — A. Ye:

Q. And there was $96,000 for 32 miles from the junction of the Canadia1
Pacific Railway to St. Raymond ? — A. Yes.

Q. There was a subsidy for 9 miles additional mileage at $3,200 a mile ?-j
A. Yes.

Q. I think there was $2,200 per mile, for 30 miles of the Chicoutirri
branch ? — A. That is not under this contract.

Q. Without the Chicoutimi line, that amounts to $379.495 ; now, what di
you do, as a matter of fact, with these subsidies? — A. They were transferee j
to the Honourable James G. Ross, as I told you previously.

Q. Doing business under the name of Ross & Company ? — A. Yes, Rosj
& Company.

Q. I think there was one payment, was there not, to yourself, possiblj
that is the first payment of the Dominion subsidy ? — A. It might have com;
through the company, I never drew any subsidies from the Dominion Go^l
ernment.

Q That payment came through the company ? — A. Yes, I think th
first payment came through the company.

Q. Do you know what that amounted to? — A. It was not much, then
was a portion of the contract between St. Raymond and Lake Simon, tej
miles, which was partially built, which I completed, and that has referend
to one of these subsidies, I think, and if my memory serves me correct, M
Scott or the company drew that, and paid me some portion of it.

Q. Is that the contract with McCarron & Cameron ? — A. Yes, sir, tha
is in the beginning, in 1883.

Q. After you entered into your contract with the Construction Company
you undertook to see that McCarron & Cameron would complete their coij
tract ? — A. Yes, so far as the contract undertook to do it.

< l Did you actually undertake their work and let them go ? — A. Yes, i
had to do a certain proportion from where they left of, I had to finish it u\

Q. They did not do any work after you passed your contract with tfl
< instruction Company? — A. Yes, they worked along for some little while, j

<v> Working for you ? — A. No, for the company under their contrac,
they built it to a certain amount.

Q. Did you pay them ? — A. The company paid them.

Q. You undertook to pay under your contract? — A. Oh, well, it weij
through the company's hands.

Q. Some of the subsidies were kept back from you to pay McCarron
Cameron? — A. There were certain subsidies that the company used, an
which I had to account to them for this purpose.

Q. I want to know what subsidies you actually got out of this ? — A. Mj

I has given you that, he has all the figures at his hands, I never wen
into them.

134

Edo-ar versus Caron.

*©

Q. Were all the subsidies transferred to Ross : Dominion, provincial and

itv of Quebec? — A. Well, I cannot say as to the city of Quebec, I think

| hese bonds were handed to me, and I negotiated them ; Mr. Ross may have

iad something to do with it, he may have had some of them. I am not cer-

ain, but I had to negotiate these bonds.

Q. Well, you got always certain financial assistance from Ross in conse-
quence of these transfers ? — A. Yes.

Q. In the account between you and Ross, did you make any distinction
between the amounts ; Mr. Ross advanced to you on Dominion subsidies or
on Provincial subsidies, or on any other collaterals which he held, or did you
just keep one account ? — A. I think he advanced me on different accounts.

Q. I want to know how they are entered in your books, that is your
account with Ross and Company ? — A. I think there is an account between
Ross and Company and. myself. I do not pay much attention to my books.

Q. I ask is there one account or are there two or three or four accounts
referring to this ? — A. I cannot say how many there are.

Q. Don't you know what your books contain ? — A. I do not know much
about them. I have something else besides my books to attend to ; the thing
that interests me is the balance of my cash in bank, and where the money is
coming from to pay the men.

Q. I suppose your book-keeper will know that ? — A. I suppose so.

Q. What is your book-keeper's name ? — A. Ernest Wurtele.

Q. Have you any reason to believe your books contain a separate account,
as between the amount advanced on Dominion subsidies and those advanced
on Quebec subsidies ? — A. I have no reason to expect that, I suppose the
Quebec subsidies, so far as they refer to Mr. Ross, must show different in his
account.

Q. Will you please state how advances of Mr. Ross were made, what
was the process by which you obtained the money ? — A. The process is this :
monthly estimates were rendered by the Chief Engineer of the work and
attested by the Consulting Engineer. That was handed to me monthly, and
I would take these to the board, which passed these estimates, and certify
that they were correct, and that I was entitled to this payment. I would then
go to Mr. Ross, and he would advance the money.

Q. But I want to know how he advanced the money ? —A. He advanced
it either by giving me his note, which I took to the bank and discounted, or
sometimes he would discount it himself, and give me the proceeds of the
discount if he happened to be a little flush of money.

Q. Are you quite sure of that, Mr. Beemer ? — A. I am very sure of it,
there was no other process. I am perfectly familiar with that part of the
book-keeping.

Q. When you say that Mr. Ross would give you his note, do you mean
to say that he would make his note payable to your order ? — A. I mean to
say that Mr. Ross would make the note payable to Mr. H. J. Beemer or
order.

Q. Is it not rather that Mr. Beemer made his note payable to Mr. Ross ?
— A. That is not my recollection.

Q. I suppose your account will show that? — A. I suppose so. My
memory is that it was Ross & Company signed the notes to my order.

Q. Then you took the notes to the bank, and endorsed them, and got the
money out of the bank ? — A. Yes.

Q. What bank did you go to ? — A. The Quebec Bank, principally.

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Q. And then you paid the note when it became due, I suppose? — AJ
The note would be paid when he received the subsidies, the subsidies were)
transferred, and he would receive them and credit my account with them.
Q. He would credit your account with the subsidies ? — A. Yes.
Q. And would pay the note in the bank or would you pay it ? — A- Mrj
Ross would do it.

Q. Out of the subsidies ? — A. I do not know what he paid it out of, he
took it up when it became due, whether he had the subsidies or not ; at timesj
the Dominion subsidies were difficult to get paid.

Q. You appear to say that you never gave" any of your notes to Ross <S|
Company ? — A. You asked me a particular question, you asked me as to th*
mode of getting my advances from Mr. Ross, for the purpose of carrying ouJ
this work, and I have answered you.

Q. But I want to know whether or not you did give your notes to Rostj
& Company ? — A. Not as I remember, for the Lake St. John Railway busij
ness.

Q. If the business was conducted as you state, the notes, when paid!
would fall not into your hands, but into the hands of Ross & Company ? — A
Yes.

Q. You have been asked to produce any notes which you have relating
to this busines. Have you searched among your papers, to see whether therd
were any notes signed by yourself? — A. No, I have not searched, because ]
thought the arrangement made here the other day in reference to the acl
countant was to facilitate that matter.

Q. There were no arrangements except that Mr. Plimsol was to have ac
cess to your books, and I do not think he has been given an opportunity o
seeing the notes ? — A. What notes would you have reference to in regard t(|
this business.

Q. I want to know whether you have searched for the notes given hv
you ? — A. I have had a great many transactions with Mr. Ross. Do yoil
want to get into my private matters ?

Q. My instructions are that your method was to give your note, it woulc
be endorsed by Ross & Company, and it would be carried to the bank and b<
discounted by yourself? — A. Who informed you of that?

Q. That is the " modus operandi" which I have been informec
took place, and I want to know if that is the case ? — A. I do not know,
may be wrong, but I do not think so ; that is m}^ impression.

Q. Supposing that that was done in some cases these notes would be ii
your possession ? — A. Yes.

Q. And you have not looked for them ? — A. The usual mode, as
remember, is that I have often got the notes myself, and they are alway
signed Ross & Co. to my order.

<l. And then you would take them and endorse them? — A. Yes, tab
them to the bank, discount them, and get the money. Sometimes Mr. Ros
lias facilitated that part of it a little bit, because he was a member of the boarc
of directors and president of the bank during his lifetime, and pretty nearl;
all the time of this contract, and the discounting of it was no trouble.

Q. You say that you never heard at all about these notes after they wer-.

given by Ross & Company ? — A. They were taken up by Ross & Company, j

Q. You did not need to pay any attention to them ? — A. Mr. Ross hat

done a great many things for me, and that was always his operation. If h<!

had not any subsidies, he took up these notes out of his own money.

136

Ederar versus C'aron.

Q. When you were examined here the other day, you stated you were in
ie possession of a long statement of account between you and Ross &
ompany, have you got that ? — A. I suppose so. As far as the Lake St.
ohn Railway .is concerned I do not know anything about it,

Q. Was there any contract between you and Ross & Company with refer-
in v to your financial arrangements? — A. Well, there was a notarial agree-
ment drawn up by the company, under the supervision of Mr. Scott.

Q. Between you and Ross & Company as to y our advances ? — A. The
otary always drew up these agreements in connection with the transfer of the
ubsidies, and that agreement 1 presume exists, in the possession of Mr. Scott.

Q. But what I want to know is whether there were any agreements
ietween you and Ross & Company, regarding your financial arrangements ? —
\. Each time there was a transfer made, there was an agreement between
lessrs. Ross & Company and myself.

Q. Was there any agreement between you and Ross & Company, with
egard to financial assistance given you ? — A. Yes, I have explained that.

Q. Was it in writing ? — A. Yes.

Q. Where is it? — A. I presume Mr. Scott has them, or the notary has
hem.

Q. We have here certain transfers of subsidies to Messrs. Ross & Company.
j)oes this include the whole written agreement that was between you and
ioss & Company with regard to the matter? — A. There is an agreement
•etween Mr. Ross and myself, personally, I think, as to the conditions of the
advances. The transfers were made, and the agreement was made by a
i otary.

Q. I want }tou to produce the agreement that was between you and
Ross & Company, regarding his conditions of advancing money to you, have
rou got it ? — A. I do not know whether I have got it or not ; I will have to
ro to the notary and get it ; I suppose you will bear the cost of it ; I think
ve have copies of this agreement ; if we give you an account of the subsidies,
I do not know why you should know the conditions on which Mr. Ross made
[advances.

Q. Mr. Beemer, you do not seem to be very certain whether you gave
botes or whether Ross & Company gave notes ? — A. I am quite certain in my
bwn belief that there never has been any departure, other than that I have
apoken of, as to notes appertaining to the Lake St. John Railway construction
tor advances to that road.

Q. That is to say, that Ross & Company always gave their note, which
was endorsed ? — A. Yes.

Q. You have a bill book ? — A. Very likely.

Q. In that bill book would be entered the notes which you endorsed as
well as those you made ? — A. I suppose so.

Q. Will you please produce that book? — A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Beemer, are you in the habit in your bill book of entering the
purposes of any note so granted by you ? — A. I cannot say ; I do not think so ;
I have not looked into my bill book for years.

Q. I presume you took your notes out of the blank books for notes
which have stubs attached to them ? — A. I cannot say as to that.

Q. Well, did you or did you not ? — A. I may say that I cannot say from
memory whether they keep such a book.

Q. Have you got the stubs of the notes which you have been in the habit
of issuing in connection with the Lake St. John Railway? — A. I may have.

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Q. Well, if you have these stubs, would these stubs contain any inform;:
tion relating to the causes for which the notes were issued ? — A. It might,
believe.

Q. I want you to bring any stubs of notes you may have concernin
matters connected with the Lake St. John Railway or the financing for it?-|
A. I will.

Q. Have you any private account relating to contributions for electio
purposes, and if you have any book or document concerning same, I woul
like you to produce any document of that kind ?

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron objects to the form of question on the grounj
that it is irrelevant.

Question withdrawn.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C., for the Croivn:

Q. Is there any book or paper or document kept by you, in which at
entered accounts of payments or subscriptions made for election purposes,
be used to secure the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or any of his supporters i|
the Dominion House of Commons, for the period between the years 1882 ai
1891.

Mr. Fitzpatrick, of counsel for Sir A. P. Caron, objects to the question
the ground that by the terms of the reference, this commission is to inquii
into the payment out of subsidies granted by the Federal Parliament, or oi
of moneys raised on the credit of these subsidies. All sums of money fd
election purposes, to aid in the election to the House of Commons of the si
Sir A. P. Caron, and other members and supporters of the Government <|
which he was a member, — such a question as put here, he contended, did n<
come within the terms of the Commission.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of counsel for the Crown, amended the question ;|
follows : —

Q. Is there any book or paper or document kept by you in which ai
entered accounts of payments or subscriptions made for election purposes,
be used for the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or other members of the Govei
ment of which he was a member, for the period between the years 1882 ai
1891?

Mr. Ferguson, of counsel for Sir A. P. Caron, objects to the questic
with reference to subscriptions by the Lake St. John Railway or Construct!
Company for election purposes. He directed their honour's attention to
wording of the Commission, after reciting the charges made with referenc*
this matter against the Postmaster General, amplification to these charges
the speeches of certain honourable members of the House, he said that if
( Jommission proceeds to declare that it is advisable to make a certain inquii
without following the charges referred to in paragraphs one and two, wThi
are matters of introduction, as to the voting of the subsidies, we come to tl,
third clause, which is the most important one. With reference to this par;
graph, be asked what evidence it would be permissible to produce. Evidenc
be beld, would be admissible to show how these subsidies came from the Goj
eminent, where they went to, and how they were disposed of, what the won
cost, whether the subsidies were more than sufficient, or were necessary ft!
the construction of the work, and how these subsidies were appropriated, ad
whether the object of Parliament in voting them was carried out. He claime
that evidence for contributions for political purposes without connecting theij
with the Federal subsidies, wTas inadmissible.

138

Edgar versus Caron.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of counsel for the Crown, pointed out thai the sub-
idies were paid from time to time to Ross and Company as assignees of
leemer, it would then be proper to show what became of these in the hands
»f Ross and Company.

He contended that the only effectual method of throughly sifting the
'vhole matter by first finding out what Ross & Company and Beemer, in whose
lands the subsidies were, subscribed for Dominion elections during the period
lamed, leaving it to be afterwards proved that such subscriptions were paid
mt of subsidies which instead of being paid for the purpose of the construction
>f this railway, were paid out for political purposes. The evidence so far was
that the money went into the hands of Ross & Company and that Mr. Beemer,
with the exception of a comparatively trifling sum (the disposal of which was
shown in the evidence of Mr. Scott) received none of the moneys. If it could
ibe shown that Ross & Company, instead of paying these subsidies on the esti-
mates of the Engineer, for the construction of this railway, which was the pro-
ber application of them, applied these moneys for election purposes, or that
Beemer had got these moneys and that he applied them to election purposes,
rhis would be pertinent evidence.

Mr. Ferguson, in reply, submitted, that neither in the first clause of para-
graph three, nor under the second, namely, that Sir A. P. Caron got these
moneys himself for election purposes — was this evidence in support of either
'of these paragraphs, that Beemer or somebody else subscribed to the election.
The Commission, he contended, had no right to hoe into the general examina-
tion of what Mr. Beemer chose to do, so far as elections were concerned, apart
; altogether from the question as to whether or not he appropriated moneys for
election purposes out of this particular fund. Except in so far as the appro-
priation of the subsidies from the Federal Government were concerned, there
was no right to enquire into the dealings of Mr. Beemer at all, the Commission
had no right to enquire as to the private subscriptions of Mr. Beemer or any
other witness. He submitted that Your Honours were strictly bound by the
terms of this Commission, and that the question was altogether outside of the
inquiry.

Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — I think, really, it is the same ques-
tion that has already been decided by this Commission to be relevant to the
inquiry.

Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q. C, of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron, argued in the
same line as Mr. Ferguson, Q. C, and contended that the question was irrele-
vant. He said : Mr. Beemer is prepared to produce Mr. Ross's account, and
his own account, and the construction account, and any account connected in
any way with the construction of this road.

Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — There is no question of the account
of Mr. Ross in the question before the Commission.

Mr. Justice Routhier, in giving his decision as to the relevancy of the
question, said " According to the wording of our Commission it is alleged that
Sir A. P. Caron entered into a conspiracy with the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company, or the Construction Company of the said railway, or H. J.
Beemer, to divert the subsidies received by them from the Dominion Govern-
ment for the construction of the railway, from the purposes for which they
were granted, and to misappropriate them for election purposes ; and we are
requested to enquire into that allegation.

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Xow, it has been proved that the subsidies referred to have bee|
transferred by the said company to Beemer, so that they must have bee
paid to Beemer himself, or to his assigns.

Of course, to support the charge preferred against Sir A. P. Caron, it wil
not be sufficient to establish that Beemer made subscriptions to secure th
election of Sir A. P. Caron, or of his supporters in the House of Commons)
It will be necessary to show that those subscriptions came out of the sai<!
subsidies, or out of moneys raised on the credit of the same, and that it wa
known or ought to have been known by Sir A. P. Caron.

But the first step for the prosecution is to show that in fact subscription
were made by Beemer for the said election purposes ; and then the Crown
shall have to prove that the sums subscribed were diverted from the subsidies
The decision of this last point must not be left to the witness. It will bj
inferred from the circumstances and acts that will be established, and thj
House of Commons shall have to pronounce finally upon that.

It is contended by the defence, that to come within the scope of thi
inquiry, the question ought to be put in the following, or similar shape I
" Have you made subscriptions for election purposes out of the subsidiei
granted, or out of moneys raised upon the credit of the same ?" If such con
tention were correct, the witness, who was really one of the accused parties!
would be his own judge, and pronounce, himself, upon the legality of hii
doings. But, then, this enquiry would be a comedy, and it would be as wel
to ask the witness whether he is guilty or not guilty, and to go no further
It is contended also that it is hard and unjust to oblige a business man t(
bring his books here and make his private affairs known to the public ; tha
such a proceeding would ruin his credit. Of course, I do not wish to come t<
such extreme ends, and we are willing to do our best to prevent such incon
veniences. Once brought before the Commission, the books will not be oper
to the public, but will be examined by the lawyers on both sides and tht
Commissioners, to find out what entries in these books may be relevant to the
subject matter of this enquiry, and then an extract of those entries could b(
made and filed, and the books given back to the witness. But suppose ther<i
be some inconvenience in such a proceeding, it must not be forgotten thai)
very often private interests are to be sacrificed to public good, and in all cases
where fraud is alleged before the courts, parties are often bound to bring thehj
books and statements of their debts, liabilities and assets. It may sometime*;
be a great inconvenience to them, but it is necessary to the end of justice. A
case of conspiracy may be assimilated to a case of fraud, and the evidence t(
be adduced is usually circumstantial in both cases. We understand that th(
question objected to is only preliminary, and we believe it is legal in its
present shape. If there are such accounts as those mentioned, they should be
produced for the examination of the Commission. Mr. Beemer is not ar
ordinary witness unconnected with the payment of subsidies. He is closeh
connected with such payment, and we are entitled to enquire into his doingt
in this matter. The terms of our commission are very broad, and we muslj
try to find out whether the charges therein mentioned are true or false. The
objections to the question must be over-ruled.

Mr. Justice Tait said that he fully concurred in what had been stated!
by his learned colleague. Mr. Beemer, as contractor for the building of the!
r<»ad, stands in a different position towards this enquiry that a person entirely
unconnected with the railway would stand, and considerable latitude must b(
allowed in examining him. He built the road, and as part consideration foi

140

Edgar versus Caron.

;o doing received a transfer of all subsidies. He is referred to in paragraph 2
f Mr. Edgar's charges as receiving the benefit of the subsidies, and Sir A. I \
Jaron is charged with diverting subsidies by receiving for election purposes
rom Beemer large sums out of them and out of the money raised on the credit
>f said subsidies. Mr. Beemer, having a right to all subsidies voted or to be
roted, was deeply interested in securing all the aid he could to obtain addi-
ional subsidies. He is put in the same relation to Sir A. P. Caron by
mragraph 3, of amended charges, as the Railway Construction Companies. It
ippears to me it would be competent to ask the proper officers of these
•ompanies if the companies had paid money for election purposes during the
)eriod mentioned in the Commission, and whether an account was kept of
;uch subscription, as preliminary to the inquiry, whether they came out of
Dominion subsidies or were advanced from other funds and were subsequently
•ecouped from subsidy money. We must try and trace these subsidies and I
hink this question may be asked with this object in view. As a matter of
act, a somewhat similar question was allowed to be put to Mr. Scott.

(The question was repeated.) — A. There is no account in any books
hat shows diversion of moneys out of the subsidies to the Lake St. John Rail-
way.

Q. Is that your whole answer, Mr. Beemer? — A. Yes.
Q. I must request you to answer the question more fully. Please- listen
:o the reading of the question above put, and answer it as it stands. I want a
precise answer to that question, Mr. Beemer?

(Question read.) Is there any book or paper or document kept by you
in which are entered accounts of payments or subscriptions made for election
)urposes, to be used for the election of Sir A. P. Caron or other members or
■supporters of the Government of which he was a member, for the period
jbetween the years 1882 and 1891 ? — A. I have such an account, but it refers
[to my private matters. It is my private account. Any subscriptions of that
kind are out of my private fund.

Q. Will you produce before the Commission the accounts referred to in
your last answer ?

Production of accounts objected to by counsel for Sir A. P. Caron.
Mr. Justice Routhier. — The account must be produced and shown to the
Commissioners and it then will be seen whether it is relevant or irrelevant to
ithe issue. If it is not relevant, it will not be admitted or made public. The
(witness states there is such a book in which he keeps this account and that
book must be put before the Commissioners for their examination. If the
witness is allowed to say that this or that affair is private, there is no possibility
of going fully into the enquiry.

Mr. Jqstice Tait expressed the same opinion.

A. (Mr. Beemer.) I mean by my last answer that I have an account of
political subscriptions which are not, however, for any particular person's
election. It is to the party campaign fund ; that is all I ever subscribed. I
did not understand that the latter part of the question put to me had reference
to Sir A. P. Caron specially, I was only speaking of the account.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Have you got that account here in court? — A. No, sir.
Q. You better have it sent for at once, then? — A. Do you want the
book?

Q. I want that account to be produced.

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It was ordered by the Commissioners that the book should be produced. !

The further examination of the witness was discontinued, to be resumed
at a later period of the sitting.

Mr. Beemer appeared before the Commission and stated : I find i|
impossible to get our books together, as we have been moving recently, ami
Mr. "Wurtele will not have them ready until to-morrow morning. As it waj
near the time for adjournment this afternoon, I thought it proper to appea
and state this. I wish to say further, that my answer was that I had ai
account with reference to the paymeuts to election funds, an account of thai
kind. It was not with reference to payments to Sir A. P. Caron, but t<
election funds.

By Mr. Justice Bouthier, Commissioner :

Q. You will please produce that account to-morrow. — A. I will.

And the further examination of the witness was adjourned for th
present.

Quebec, 30th September, 1892.

Horace Jansen Beemer, Esq., of the city of Montreal, contractor. Am1
on this 30th day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1892, the examination
of the above named witness was resumed.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Beemer, have you produced and shewn to the Commission, in th
presence of the counsel on both sides, the books containing the account!
referred to in your examination of yesterday ? — A. Yes, sir.

Mr. Justice Bouthier, Commissioner. — As [ stated yesterday, when w
ordered the witness to produce the books in which entries were made of hi;
subscriptions to the election fund for Sir A. P. Caron, and the supporter
of the Government of which he is a member, we did not wish to have all Mi
Beemer's accounts open to the public, but we only ordered that they b
exhibited before the Commission, to be there examined, and to have an extrac
made of those entries only which relate to the said electoral subscription.

That has been done. The books have been produced before the Con
missioners and the lawyers on both sides, and an extract has been drawn fror
the books in the presence of these parties and is now to be produced befor
the Commission.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Beemer, has an extract been made of the entries in said book]
which entries refer to the matter of this inquiry, and which have just bee!
referred to by His Honour Mr. Justice Routhier ?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you now produce the extracts? — A. I now produce and file as e>
hibit JIJB1, the statement referred to, .and which has been extracted frorj
the books in question.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C.— This extract, on being filed, I submit, your honoun
should be subject to the objection that the entries as they are made, and wit
certain initials before them, are not by their being put in to be taken as coi
elusive evidence, one way or the other.

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Mr. Justice Kouthier. — I understand that they are entries made by Mr.
leemer's employees.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — They are to be taken simply as entries made and
rtracted from his books.

Mr. Pentland, Q.C. — I think we have a right to obtain an explanation
i these entries.

Mr. Justice Routhier. — Yes, of course.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — I make this statement because we were present
vhen these extracts were made, and we cannot at the same time be committed

0 admitting the correctness of them.

Mr. Justice Routhier. — You will be permitted to have all the explana-
iona you need, concerning them.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C, for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Beemer, does this statement contain a record of all the payments
■ntered in the books for the purposes mentioned in the previous questions? —
\. Yes, sir.

Q. Please look at the statement, exhibit H J B 1, and explain what you
nean by the letters " G.E.F.?" — A. I mean general election fund.

Q. And what by the letters " A.P.C. ?" — A. Simply to identify the ac-
•ount myself. It was in the way of identifying the account, and only as I
niderstood Sir A. P. Caron was the representative of this district ; not that
hese moneys went into his hands at all, but that he was the head and front
)f the Quebec district.

Q. But the letters A.P.C. refer to Sir A. P. Caron ?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Will you explain how these moneys were furnished ; there are some
hotes talked about in that document there ; will you explain what that means ?
|— A. I believe these notes were my notes given ; they were notes, whether they
were my own or the Honourable Mr. Ross's notes, discounted by him.

Q. Discounted by Mr. Ross ? — A. Yes, sir. The understanding was that
we were to give our notes and he was to furnish the money that was required.
(Previous to the election of 1887, Mr. Ross sent for me to come over to the St.
Lawrence Hall to see him. I went over there and he broached the subject in
hand and stated that the friends in Quebec wanted some contribution to the
lection fund, and asked me what I would do. I stated I could not do any-
thing, for I had not the money. He said " well, we will take our notes and I
will discount them," which was done ; $15,000 given at that time.

Q. $15,000 in notes ? — A. $15,000 in notes given at that time ; three for
§5,000 and two afterwards in Quebec, making $25,000. I do not know where
the money went or anything about it. I did not realize at the time that I
wae even to pay that money. There was nothing said about it. I eventually
lid pay it, and did not make any protest against it.

Q. When you gave your note, did you expect to have to pay it ? — A. It
was given in such a way that I did not know what he meant, whether he
meant for him and I to foot the bill, or myself; I did not question him ; I had
a very good reason for not questioning him.

Q. Then the dates which are mentioned in the document (HJB 1.) are
really the due dates of the notes, and not the dates of payment ? — I think
these are the dates of payment, if I remember correctly.

Q. So that the notes were given at earlier dates ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you got the notes with you ? — A. I have not the notes here, but

1 can produce them.

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Q. Have you sent for them ? — A. Yes. Mr. Wurtele will get them.

Q. Have you information on that paper (exhibit HJB 1) which wilj
tell you the dates of the notes ? — A. I will have the notes produced.

Q. What election do these notes you have mentioned refer to ? — A. Thtj
election of 18S7.

Q. And these notes were given before the election, I suppose ? — A»
Previous to the election.

Q. There are some other sums of money mentioned here ?— A. L thinlj
that date, the 3rd of February, represents the date of the first three notes
Then there is one given on the 18th February.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Are there not two on the 18th February ?— A. I think that repre|
sents two.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of counsel for the Grown :

Q. Now, then, these five notes constitute the total amount for the electioi
of 1887 ? — A. I think so. There are six notes, one is broken in two.

Q. You have spoken of fives notes, but I see here mentioned two o
$2,500 ? — A. There were six notes, because one was split in two.

Q. The last one, when it became due, was divided into two notes ami
subsequently paid ? — A. Yes.

Q. Were you in court during the examination of Mr. McG-reevy, thij
morning ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Are you aware how the money represented by these notes, or at leas
the proceeds of these notes, was disposed of for the purpose of the election ?—
A. No, sir, I am not.

Q. You are not aware of that ? — A. I am not aware of that.

Q. Are you aware that it went into the hands of Sir A. P. Caron ?—
A. No, sir.

Q. Why, then, did you put the letters A. P. C. there ? — A. As I state<
previously here, simply to identify the account for my own information at an;
future time ; just because he was the representative of the district, am
nothing further.

Q. In any of your conversations with him, did he tell you that he ha<
received money ? — A. No, sir, I never gave a cent for any purpose.

Q. Have you never had any conversation at all, in relation to this contri
bution, with Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did not you subscribe some money during the general elections o
1882?— A. No, sir.

Q. You are certain of that? — A. My contract did not commence her
until 1883?

Q. Now, there have been one or two elections held since 1887 ; have yo
not subscribed to these ? — A. I think, as you will see by that statement there,
subscribed $2,000 for 1890 ; that was the by-election in the county Montmorenc\

Q. What was the other election? — A. The other election was thegener?
Dominion election in 1891, I think.

Q. How much did you subscribed for that ? — A. $3,000 ; that is, I gav
my note for $3,000.

Q. Did you pay your note ? — A. Yes, sir.

<v>. This is the total amount of your subscriptions in connection with thes

elections ? — A. Yes, sir

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Q. And the exhibit 1IJB 1 contains a correct statement of the cash
a\ mcnts in question? — A. Yes, sir.

Q Was your payment for the election in 1890 made in the shape of a

: — A. Yes sir.

Q. To whom was that given ? — A. To the Chinic Hardware Company.
(w). Was he acting as treasurer? — A. I think one of the members of the
inn was acting.

Q. It was not given for Sir A. P. Caron? — A. No, sir.
Q. I suppose that you considered that Sir A. P. Caron was acting as well
luring the last election time as a director of the district as in the previous
: — A. Yes, sir.

Q. But you did not enter the name of Sir A. P. Caron in connection with
the account? — A. No, it is not entered here.

Q. Now, Mr. Beemer, were these moneys paid by you out of the subsidies
which were voted to you for the construction of the road? — A. No, sir.
Q. They were not ? — A. No, sir.

< I Well, now, will you please tell me how you, being, as you stated, no
politician, thought yourself interested to subscribe $^0,000 to these elections ?
A. You want to know how I came to subscribe this amount.

Q. I want to know how you did ? — A. Well, in the first place, I would
say that the Honourable James G. Ross was a good friend of mine. He was
idiscounting for me at times for $300,000 to $500,000 and upwards, at a
'time, during the season, for this and other works ; I think at one time it ran
ipretty well up to $800,000 for one transaction, and I thought it did not
become me to question that gentleman in regard to anything he desired for
;an amount of $25,000. In fact, I went into that under that impression. .1
think if he said right in the start that I had to spend it, it would have been
all right just the same, and I would have done it. Then, in addition to. that,
: I will state that I believe the conservative was a good government for the
i country, outside of any politics. I liked their policy of advancement, and I
'believed it was worth sustaining in my humble way, as well as I could.
! Besides, in this enterprise, you know a great deal depends on the financial
| position, and if you put the Government out of power, that means the upset
' of the financial basis of operation. I learned that in my own country, where
j they have an election every four years.

Q. Mr. Beemer, did you not know that at the time when you so

i advanced these moneys, or paid these moneys, applications were being made

for increased subsidies to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company

from the Federal Government? — A. Yes, there had been applications made

long before I took the whole contract.

Q. And were there any applications, to your knowledge, at that time,

, when you paid the money, in 1887 ? — A. There were not. They generally

brought these applications up before the sitting of Parliament each session,

and, if they got nothing, the company would bring it up again, and so they

proceeded in that way.

Q. But the company was making constant endeavours to build the road,

to get additional subsidies ? — A. Yes, to get as much help as possible, up to a

certain amount which they considered they were entitled to, under the rail-

' way policy ; there was a railway policy inaugurated. You do not mean to

j infer, I suppose, upon the question, that the company were not entitled to ask

I these subsidies ?

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Q. I do not know what they were entitled to, but I ask you the questioi
as I put it ? — A. There was a certain railway policy inaugurated under tin
Government, and the company was asking what other roads had been given
and they expected as much as the other roads got.

Q. Now, Mr. Beemer, do you mean to tell me that, if you had finishec
your contract and had got paid your subsidies, you would have givei
$25,000 to 1he election fund? — A. "Well, I cannot answer you that question
because there is no such position existing, and I cannot try to suppose one— j
but I can say to you that — that if I am living in this country, and it's noi
against the law to subscribe to elections, I will do it — if I do not break th<
law by so doing, I will do it.

Q. Would you have subscribed that money had you not expected to ge
additional subsidies from the Government ? — A. Yes, I would ; I do not d<i
everything I do for profit.

Q. Is it not a fact that some members of the Construction Company am
of the Lake St. John Railway Company asked you to subscribe because thej
were applying for Dominion subsidies? — A. No, sir. Not because they wer|
applying for additional subsidies. The only man, as I have mentioned, waj
Hon. James G. Ross, who said nothing to me in regard to subscribing, bu,
he did not ask it for the sake of acquiring subsidies, but he asked it because th
members of the fund were asking him for assistance. I say still further, thaj
the Lake St. John Railway Construction Company, or their secretary an<
manager, have always been very careful of these things, and whatever thej
have done in the way of getting subsidies, has been open, above board and tj
their credit.

• Q. What position, in 1887, did the Honourable James G. Ross occupy iv
the Lake St. John Railway Company ? — A. He was, I believe, president. I an
not positive whether W. Withall was president or Mr. Ross. I think Mi
Ross was president. He was not president of the railway company. He wa
president of the Construction Company. When I took the contract, Mi
Withall was chairman of the Construction Company ; but a few years afteij
wards, Mr. Ross took his pla.ce.

Q. Now, did any other man than Mr. Ross, being a member of either o
these companies, ask you to subscribe? — A. No, sir.

<c). Mr. Ross asked you alone to subscribe ? — A. Yes.

(I Did he, at the time that he asked you to subscribe, tell you that i
would be to the advantage of the railway with regard to the subsidies? — Aj
No, sir, he simply said to me what I have related to you in answer to youj
question previously.

Q. Did Mr. Ross on either occasion tell you that Sir A. P. Caroi
expected you to subscribe? — A. No sir.

<,>. You are sure of that? — A. Right positively sure.

<l. Now, Mr. Beemer, you, I suppose, have urged upon Sir A. P. Caron th:
necessity of granting your railway further subsidies? — A. 1 think I hav
talked with him in regard to it sometimes.

Q. Now. did you on any of these occasions point out to him that you ha-
been rather liberal for election purposes? — A. No, sir.

Q. Was the amount of your subscription to election funds ever talked cj
between you and Sir A. P. Caron? — A. I do not remember anything of thai
kind.

Q. There was no person as a go-between between you and Sir A. L
Caron? — A. No, sir, I never used them; I always do my business direc

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Whatever I have to do I do myself. The company, of course, did their part,
and I tried to do mine.

(). Mr. Beemer, how were these notes paid for election purposes? — A.
They were paid by cheques.

Q. I suppose you have those cheques by which you paid the notes ? — A.
1 (hink so.

(). Have you asked Mr. Wurtele to bring them up? — A. I did ask him
to bring them up. I beg your pardon, I misunderstood your question.
You asked me if I had asked him and I said I did ; I meant to say
that I would ask him. I have already asked him to bring up the notes, but I
will ask him for the cheques also.

Q. So far as regards the entries in your books concerning this matter, I
suppose that Mr. Wurtele knows about that better than you do ? — A. I pre-
sume so.

Q. Mr. Beemer, you have stated that when you gave these notes you did
not expect to pay them when you did pay them. Did you protest ? — A. I
did not think anything about it. I mean that I did not know that I was
going to pay them or what portion I was going to pay.

Q. When they became due did you express your surprise to Mr. Ross ? —
A. No, sir, I did not.

Q. You just paid them? — A. I did.

Q. You came to the conclusion at that time that you would have to pay
them?— A. I did.

Q. And there was no conversation between you and Mr. Ross about
them ? — A. No, I did not protest.

Q. Were they paid when they fell due ? — A. No, I think they were
renewed — some of them.

Q. Did you know in what bank these notes were discounted ? — A. I did
not know where Mr. Ross put them, but in the Quebec, probably.

Q. The Quebec Bank ? A. I think so. I do not know where he placed
them. I think they were drawn, though, payable to the Quebec Bank.

Q. They were in the Quebec Bank ? — A. I think so. I am not positive
about that. The notes might be made payable at his office at Quebec. The
notes and the cheques will show.

Q. Mr. Beemer, were your transactions by promissory notes with Ross
& Company or with Honourable James G. Ross, solely in connection with the
Lake St. John Railway Company, so far as the entries in the books of the
Quebec Bank are concerned ? — A. Oh, they were for different works. I have
had advances from Mr. Ross for different works, but whether that is on that
account (exhibit W R D 1) or not I do not know. It might have been kept
separate.

Mr. Ferguson objected to production of exhibit WRD 1, until witness
should know its contents.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. You have already stated that you got large discounts from Mr. Ross,
so I suppose the production of that account, exhibit W R D 1, would not in-
jure your business ? — A. No, I do not think so, I can tell very little about it
from the face of the document, but I should judge it would not.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Mr. Beemer, I think you explained the other day that the process by
which you got money from Ross & Company was taken by your progress esti-

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mates to Ross & Company, and either giving your note to Ross & Company.;
which they would endorse, or getting their note, and then the notes would be
cashed one way or the other? — A. My impression is that Mr. Ross would!
either take the estimate and cash his own note, give his own note, and cashitf
himself or give a cheque for it ; we would go to the Quebec Bank and have)
that note discounted and placed to our credit. I have taken some there my-j
self and had it done. That is, it went through and was placed to my account)
As to the mode of procedure of the Quebec Bank as regards Mr. Ross's ac-i
count, I did not have any knowledge, any more than I know the proceeds oij
the note was placed to my credit, that is all I know.

Q. You do not know by which method that was done ?— -A. No.

Q Were the notes ever taken to the bank by you ? — A. If not by myself,)
by a representative.

Q. Did any one from Ross's go there ? — A. Well, it might have went onc<
or twice in that way.'

Q. The notes might have been sent there in that way ? — A. Yes, or it
might have been taken by Mr. Ross just as he was going to the bank or bj
Mr. Geggie.

Q. But your notes, endorsed by Ross & Company, would naturally be
placed to the credit of Ross & Company in the bank ? — A. I never had air
knowledge of Ross endorsing, I always had the impression that it was th(
other way, but still I may be mistaken because there are so many ways of treat
ing different notes, and Mr. Ross has advanced on other undertakings for me.||

Q. In any event, all of the notes, any transaction upon which Ross andj
you were engaged together, were for your benefit and not for theirs? — Aj
Were for my benefit.

Q. That is, the proceeds of these notes were to go to your credit and not
to theirs? — A. Yes.

Q. You never made any notes to aid Ross & Company ? — A. No, theyj
did not require them.

Q. On referring to exhibit HJB 1, I see in one place the letters B P.:
what does that mean ? — A. I think it is bills payable.

I now produce and file as exhibit HJB 2, a memorandum showing the
notes to whicn I have referred together with renewals thereof. By said me-J
morandum it appears that three of said notes were dated on 3rd of February,!
1887, payable at four, five and six months, each for $5,U00. The first was'
paid on the 27th June, 1887.

I also produce exhibit (HJB 3), the original note now last referred to.

I also produce a note for $5,000 dated Quebec, 6th July, 1887, as exhibit!
(HJB 4), which note is a renewal of the second note appearing on memoran-!
dum (I I.I B 2), the original note not being produced.

I also produce as exhibit (HJB 5), note dated 9th November, 1887, which
lb a second renewal of the third note on the memorandum (HJB 2).

I also produce note (HJB 6), dated Quebec, 21st June, 1887, which is m
renewal of the fourth note on the memorandum (HJB 2).

I also produce note (HJB 7), dated Quebec, 18th January, 1888, at fouij
months, payable 21st May, which is a partial third renewal to the third note
mentibned on the memorandum (HJB2 ).

I also produce as exhibit (HJB 8), (HJB 9), (HJB 10), (HJB 11)J
(HJB L2) and (HJB 13), the cheques by which the notes mentioned above
were paid ; these; cheques represent the payment of the notes referred to in!
exhibit memorandum (HJB 2).

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fcO

Q. Have you the cheques by which ihe other $5,000 mentioned in exhi-
bit (JIJB 2), were paid ? — A. I think so, but I have not got them now.

In connection with the evidence of Mr. Beemer, there was also filed

igreements for advances between Beemer and Ross & Company, one bearing

date Quebec, 11th July, 1884, exhibit (HJB 14). A second bearing date 8th

JOetober, 1884, exhibit (HJB 15). A third bearing date 15th April, 1885,

exhibit (ILTB 16). Also transfer of railways subsidies from IT. J. Beemer to

Messrs Ross & Company, one bearing date 19th February 1885, exhibit (HJB

17). The other bearing date Quebec, 18th March 1885, exhibit (HJB 18).

i There is also produced draft of date, Quebec, July 8th, 1891, for the sum of

j83,000, drawn by the Chinic Hardware Company, Limited, on H. J. Beemer,

and exhibited by him and referred to in the evidence of Mr. Beemer in

riiibit (HJB 19).

There is also produced note dated Quebec, 11th November, 1891, for the
sum of $2,000, signed by H. J. Beemer and payable to the Chinic Hardware
Company. Exhibit (HJB 20).

There is also produced promissory note, dated Quebec, 11th November,
1891, for $1,000, made by H. J. Beemer, payable to the Chinic Hardware
Company. Exhibit (HJB 21).

The last two notes being renewals of the draft (HJB 19).

There is also produced promissory note dated Quebec, 14th March, 1892,
for $1,000, payable one month after date to the order of the Chinic Hardware
Company, signed by H. J. Beemer, filed as exhibit (HJB 22).

This note being a partial note of exhibit (HJB 20).

There is also produced, promissory note, dated Quebec, 17th May, 1892,
for $l,00l>, payable 60 days after date, to the order of the Chinic Hardware
Company, signed b}T Mr. H. J. Beemer, filed as exhibit (HJB 28).

This note is a lurther partial renewal of exhibit (HJB 20).

Examination of witness resumed.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Did you ever, in speaking to Sir A. P. Caron with reference to subsi-
dies you were anxious to obtain from the Dominion Government, promise, in
any way. directly or indirectly, that you would contribute towards his election, or
the election of supporters of the Government, or offer any political considera-
tion whatever, to influence him in aiding you or the company in getting
subsidies, or do you know of such thing having been done by anybody else ? —
A. Nd, sir.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzjmtrick, Q. C, of Counsel for Sir A. P.

Caron :

Q. As a supplementary question, that which has just been asked you by
His Honour, I would ask — did you know that Sir A. P. Caron knew that you
had subscribed this money for the general election fund which you spoke of
in connection with Mr. Ross ; do you know if he knew of that, or did he say
anything to indicate that he did know of it at any time that subsidies were
given ? — A. He never mentioned it to me.

Q. As far as your knowledge goes, can you say that he even knew that
any subscriptions had been given by you at the time the subsidies were applied
I for ? — A. I cannot say that he did.

Q When you made this first subscription to the general election fund in
! 1887, for the general elections of that year, or rather when you had this con-

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versation with Mr. Ross about the subscription, you were, at that time, contractor!
in a large way of business here in Quebec ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. How many different enterprises had you going on at that time? —
A. Do you mean all of them ?

Q. Yes, railways and mills and hotels and everything. There does nod
appear to be any limit to your ingenuity in that way ? — A. I had the Quebecl
and Lake St. John Railway ; the Quebec and Montmorency and Charlevoix!
Railway ; the Pontiac Pacific Junction Railway ; Gatineau Valley Railway,
which I took up about that period, and the Montreal and Western Railway.

Q. About how many miles of railway had you then under construction!
in the province of Quebec, or in the course of construction? — A. I should men-l
tion in addition to the contracts named that there was the Welland Canal)
Aqueduct that was just about finished at that time or just about being com-
pleted during this period of 1886.

Q. About how many miles of railway had you then in course ofconstruc-j
tion? — A. Well, of course, if you take what has been constructed and whatj
was in the way of being constructed, something like six or seven hundredl
miles.

Q. Mr. Ross, of whom you have spoken, was, besides being President of
the Lake St. John Railway Construction Compan}^, a Senator of the Dominion!
of Canada, was he not ? — A. Yes, I believe so.

Q. He had in 1887 recently been appointed Senator ? — A. I believe so.

Q. He was a very wealthy man also ? — A. lie was considered so.

Q. And proved to be a very wealthy man ? - A. Yes, proved to be a very;
wealthy man.

Q. He was a man of conservative tendencies ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. He had been a conservative candidate in Quebec Centre, at different
times, had he not ? — A. I understood so, but I had no personal knowledge of it. I

Q. He took considerable interest in the conservative cause ? — A. Yes, sir.|

Q. You know that he was a close personal friend of Sir A. P. Caron ? —
A. Yes, sir.

<l Now, I understood you to say that the first request that you had to
subscribe or contribute in any way to the election fund came from Mr. Senator!
Ross? — A. Yes, sir. ' .

Q. He said to you that the general elections were coming on and that it
would be proper for you and him to subscribe something to the general elec-
tion fund ? — A. Well, he did not exactly put it in that way, but to the same
effect.

Q. That was the substance of what he said ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. This conversation took place in Montreal ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Winn you told him that you had no cash, then he told you that youi
should give your notes and he would arrange about getting the cash? — A.|
Yes, lie spoke about discounting our notes, he said I will discount our notes.

Q. At that time, did Sir A. P. Caron say anything to you about the}
subscription ? — A. No, sir, not a word.

I ,>. I )id you know, as a matter of fact, from your own personal knowledge,]
that the proceeds of these notes that you gave to Mr. Ross were ever given to|
Sir A. T. Caron ? — A. I did not know anything about it.

Q. ')(> vou know if any portion of that money ever reached him ? — A. I]
do not.

Q. I>id lie know if you subscribed, or that any money realized out of the
proceeds of these Dotes ever came through you ? — A. I do. not.

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Q. You never intimated to him, or said anything about it to him. and he

er said anything about it to you ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Now, you said you had good reason for not questioning Mr. Ross when
be money was given ; what do you mean by that ? — A. I mean this, that Mr.
toes was backing me very largely, not only with the Lake St. John Railway
ml other enterprises, and I was very anxious to please him. His discounts

>>d up into a hundred thousand dollars at that time, and I think it did

become me to question the transaction.

Q. And you were at that time anxious and willing to help the Govern-
ment then in power? — A. Yes, I was in sympathy with the policy of the Go-
vernment as far as that was concerned, but non-political.

Q. Therefore, when I find in this account, exhibit HJB 2, entries in the
ollowing letter GEF and APC, these entries are not to be represented or
:o be construed so as to mean that this money was given by you to Sir A. P.

m ? — A. Oh, no.

Q. Nor to mean that to your knowledge the money went to Sir A.
P. Caron ?— A. No, sir.

Q. This is simply a book-keeping entry by which you charge the money
to the general election fund, to which the money really went ; and, Sir A. P.
Caron being Minister for the district, you put his initials there ? — A. Yes, I
put his initials there.

Q. Now, the note for $3,000 sent to the Chinic Hardware Company,
went for the general election fund also, did it ? — A. I think so, it is my under-
standing.

Q. Whether Sir A. P. Caron saw that note or not, you do not know ? —
A. I do not know.

Q. You had different other sources of revenue at the time that these
jraoneys were paid than what you had from the subsidies you were receiving
from the Federal Government ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You had at that time mills working? — A. Well, }Tes, in repeating the
number of enterprises I had, I left out one of the most important, and that
jwas the bringing of the Q. M. & 0. Railway into Montreal under Government
contract. It was afterwards sold to the C. P. Railway. I made a lot of
money out of the building of that masonry entrance at Montreal.

Q. How much of your own private means, independently altogether of
! moneys you received from the subsidies, or moneys you received from the
; Contracting Company, or moneys you received from Mr. Ross, did you put
I into the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, and had you in it at the time
this transaction went on ? — A. Well, the books will show that at that period,
or just previous to that, I am credited with some $83,000.

Q. That is your own individual credit, independently of all these subsi-
dies?— A. Yes, that would be independent of the large construction plant
which I have on the works.

Q. So that you had put into the work, not only all these moneys Mr.
Scott has spoken of, but you had also supplied the plant required for the
construction, and $83,000 besides ? — A. Yes, but that does not represent the
credit I was running at that time. It probably might be $250,000, that is the
credit I was running my face for.

Q. Where was your plant, was it on that railway ? — A. I cannot give the
correct amount of that ; there were steam-shovels, locomotives, cars, and at
times it ran very high. Well, $100,000 or $135,000, perhaps. Plant is a

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thing that to-day may be very expensive, and a year and a-half from now|
pretty well used up, some portions of it.

Q You had no other money transactions, in the way of loans, with Si]
A. P. Caron, to induce him to do anything for you in the way of subsidies !
— A. No, sir.

Q. You made no loans or advances to him, or gave him no security i|
any way, to induce him to do anything for you ? — A. No, sir.

Q. So that, as far as you are concerned, this amount contained in exhibij
HJ B 1 represents your connection with Sir A. P. Caron only in so far a
he was head of the political party, and it represents your contributions foj
election funds ? — A. Yes.

Q. And that is the only connection that you ever had with Sir A. Pj
Caron ? — A. Yes.

Q. Now, are you in a position, from the information that you have of thl
way in which this road is constructed, to say whether or not, as a matter o|
tact, any portion of the subsidies granted by the Federal Parliament wen
actually diverted for the purpose for which they were granted ? — A. I do no,
know of any such thing having been done.

Q. If any such thing had been done, you would have known it? — A. !|
think so.

Q. Are you in a position to say that nothing of the sort has been done?—
A. I know of nothing of the kind being done, and I am perfectly sure if i
had been done I would know it.

Q. Can you say whether or not any portion of these subsidies so given fo:|
the purpose of aiding in the construction of the railway, were given to Sir A
P. Caron, for election purposes, either by yourself or by any person else ?—
A. There was no portion.

Q. Are you in a position to say that no sums of money whatever, form!
ing part of the same federal subsidies, or raised on the credit of these subsi
dies, went for election purposes, or were given to Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I d(j
not know of any such thing being done.

Q. Do you know, or is it to your knowledge, that Sir A. P. Caron aided
or participated in obtaining from either companies, or trom yourself or froir
Mr. Scott, the payment of any sums of money raised on these subsidies ? — A. J
do not.

Q. Did you assist him in doing so? — A. No, sir.

Q. Could any money be raised on the credit of these subsidies withoul
your participation or consent? — A. No, sir.

Q. And you never participated, or consented, or were requested to par]
ticipatc or consent to any such transaction? — A. No, sir.

Q. Therefore any sums of money that would be contributed to the genera]
election fund either in 1887 or 189 1, or in the interval, were subscribed out oj<
your own personal means, and out of your own moneys? — A. Out of my owi
pocket ; yes, sir.

Q. And you are absolutely certain that no portion of these moneys camei
in any way, directly or indirectly out of these subsidies? — A. Positive, neitheij
would I ;il low any such thing to be done on any road that I have am
interest in.

Q. This conversation that you had with Mr. Eoss at the time that it w«
suggested thai you should give your notes for $25,000, took place in Montreal?
— A. Yes, took place in Montreal — $15,000 it was.

And further deponent saith not.

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Edgar versus Garon.

I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, of the House of Commons, do
lereby certify the foregoing deposition to be a true and faithful reproduction
fmy stenographic notes.

Quebec, 29th September, 1892.

William Rodger Dean, Inspector of Quebec Bank, of the city of Quebec,
being duly sworn, deposeth as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C, of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Dean, you are inspector of the Quebec Bank ? — A. Yes.

Q. You have been subpoenaed to produce all books showing the discounts
and deposits and general accounts of Sir Adolphe Caron and Mr. Thomas
McGreevy, during the period from 1882 to 1891, whilst subsidies were being
granted for the construction of the Lake St. John Railway and the Temis-
couata Railway ? — A. I presumed that the summons was for the purpose of
showing the accounts between Mr. Ross and Mr. Beemer.

Q. Mr. Dean, I think it was in your bank that Mr. Beemer discounted
the notes of Messrs. Ross & Company, was it not ? — A. I cannot speak from
memory.

Q. Do you not know of that account. It was a pretty large account, was
it not ; the account of Mr. Beemer with Mr. Ross in your bank ? — A. There
were transactions between them.

Q. They had transactions together which appear by their notes being
discounted in your bank ? — A. I believe so.

Q. You have not looked into that account at all ? — A. ISTo, I looked into
the account of Mr. McGreevy and Sir Adolphe Caron.

Q. At the moment, you are not in a position to give evidence concerning
the discounting of Mr. Ross's paper or Mr. Beemer's paper with Mr. Ross's
endorsation in your bank.

The Court ordered, on the application of Mr. Archibald, that the witness
should prepare and produce the accounts of Mr. Beemer with the bank with
reference to the endorsation of notes of Ross & Company ; and further, for the
present, deponent saith not.

Quebec, 30th September, 1892.

William Rodger Dean, Esquire, of the city of Quebec, Inspector of the
Quebec Bank.

On this 30th day of September, 1892, the examination of the above witness
was resumed. Being duly sworn, he deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Dean, you have been already sworn ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you examined the account of the transactions in which Messrs.
Ross and Mr. Beemer were associated together, in your bank ? — A. I have as
far as it was possible for me to do since yesterday.

Q. Have you produced a statement showing the result of that work ? —
A. I now produce such statement.

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Mr. Justice Routhier : — What account is that ? — A. It is the liability!
account of Mr. Beemer, so far as Ross and Company or the late J. G. Ross ard
concerned.

Q. From what years ? — A. From 1884, down to the present time.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of counsel for the Crown:

Q. Does this account, Mr. Dean, refer solely to promissory notes mad'el
either by Ross and Co., or by Beemer, and endorsed by either and discounted
in your bank ? — A. Just so.

Q. That is the whole contents of this account ? — A. Yes.

Mr. Justice Routhier :
Q. It covers only that ? — A. It covers only that.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C.,for the Crown :

Q. So that the actual indebtedness of Mr. Beemer to your bank is in nc
way spoken of except as endorser or maker of some of these promissory notes !
—A. That is it.

Document produced and filed as exhibit (WRD 1).

Q. Does this account show who was maker and who was endorser of thq
several papers that were discounted with you ? — A. It does.

Q. At the present moment, all these notes have disappeared and havdi
been taken up out of your bank ? — A. Yes.

Q. So that there is no present liability towards your bank resulting frorr'
these transactions ? — A. None.

Q. Have you any personal knowledge of the transactions of Mr. BeemeJ
with your bank, relating to the subsidies to the Quebec and Lake St. Johr
Railway ? — A. I have not.

Q. Your bank did not handle the subsidies themselves ? — A. No.

Q. Were you aware that a large portion of these subsidies have been paicj
to the branch of your bank at Ottawa ? — A, I cannot say.

Q. Can you not say from your books whether the notes or many of then
which are mentioned in the document which you have just exhibited, wer<
not paid by transfer of the money from your branch at Ottawa to your brand
here ? — A. I have no recollection of such. I cannot tell from the document
now.

Q. Not from the document, but can you tell from your books ? — A.
hardly think so.

Q. Is there any officer in your bank that would be acquainted with th!
matter of that account, the transaction that took place at Ottawa ? — A. Then
would he none here.

Q. Supposing the subsidies received by the bank at Ottawa had beeil
transmitted to the bank here, would any officer of your bank be acquainted!
with that fact here ? — A. None without a search.

Q. Would not the manager be acquainted with it ? — A. I cannot say.

Q. I think the subpoena was directed to the manager of the bank. I
the manager of the bank at present in town ?— A. No, the general manager i
absent. In hie absence, I am manager.

Q. It is for that reason that you have presented yourself to answer thl
BubpoBna? — A. Yes.

Q. What is the name of the general manager? — A. James Stevenson.

Q. Will he be back in a short time ? — A. Not for two weeks or over.

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(t). [8 there any other officer in the bank that would be acquainted with
he fact of how these notes were paid ? — A I do not think so.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. In this account, under the heading " with whom " I see the name of

| he Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company and Ross & Co., what does

hat mean, what does this column represent, does it represent the party to the

? — A. Yes, all the parties to the notes are mentioned in the body.

Q. What relation did these parties bear to the notes? — A. This account
>f J. H. Beemer's, the figures represent where Mr. Beemer is the promissor
md the other side is where he is endorser.

Q. Under the printed heading " with whom " ? — A. These are all the
uimes of the paper on both sides, either as maker or endorser.

Q. Take the first item of $4,000.00, Mr. Beemer would be the promissor
md the Lake St. John Railway Company would be the endorser ? — A. Exactty.

Q. And on the ninth line, for instance, in that case, Ross & Company
would be the promissor and Mr. Beemer would be the endorser ? — A. Yes, that
Its correct, sir.

By Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner :

Q. It seems to refer only to the Quebec and Lake St. John Kail way Com-
pany's affairs? — A. They are the parties as well as others to these notes.

Q. Can you say whether all these figures relate to the Quebec and Lake
■St. John Railway or not? — A. I cannot say that, I have an idea, but I
cannot say.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C.,for the Crown:

Q. With regard to the document produced by you, I find eleven columns ;
will you please explain the nature of the entries contained in each column,
jbeginning at the left hand ? — A. The first column on the left hand represents
'the amount of notes discounted in this account, on which Mr. Beemer is pro-
imissor ; the second column shows the date of the payments; the date of the
(payment of each of the notes, under the first column, was paid ; the third column
was intended for the balance of the liability at any particular date, but has
;not been filled up in this instance; the fourth shows the numbers of the bills
according to the books of the bank ; the fifth shows the dates of the discount
ot the bills ; the sixth column shows the names of the parties on the paper,
aud also the numbers and due dates of the bills when retired ; the seventh was
(intended for the address or residence of the parties, but is not filled up in this
Istatement; the eighth column the due date of the several notes or bills; the
ninth column shows the several amounts discounted in this connection of which
Mr. Beemer is endorser ; the tenth column shows the number, the due date and
the amount of the bills as paid ; the eleventh column is intended to show the
balance of the liability at any particular date, but is not filled up in this
statement.

Q. With regard to the seventh column concerning which you have said it
is not filled up, I see certain entries there, are they entries that properly belong
to this column? — A. Yes, the entries in the seventh column area continuation
of the information in the sixth column.

Q. In the sixth column, where the name of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company appears, does that indicate that they were either makers or
endorsers of paper ? — A. It indicates that the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-

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way Company were the endorsers, because it has been shown that Mr. Beem
was a promissor, under the note mentioned.

Q. Wherever their name occurs, then, it would be as the endorser and n
of the promissor, in any case, would it ? — A. Yes.

Q. Does the document you exhibit comprise the whole account betwe
Mr. Beemer and Mr. Ross as entered in your books ; I mean to say the accou
concerning notes discounted by you in the name of both of these gentleme:
A. It does between the 2nd April, 1884, and the 10th April, 1890.

Q. Why did you begin on the 2nd April, 1884, were there not some ea
lier transactions ? — A. I think that was the date mentioned in the subpoena.

Q. No, that was not the date? — A. Well, in that case, that must have be
the beginning — I did not make the statement out myself.

Q. Personally, you cannot say whether there are anytransactionsbetwe
the 1st January, 1«82, and April, 1884 ? — A. On going to the bankyesterd
afternoon from the court, I gave instructions to the clerk to make out a fi
account, and I have no doubt it was done.

Q. So you have no doubt that the document now exhibited contains
full account of these discounts ? — A. I have no doubt.

Q. Was there any agreement in writing between your bank and Mr. Beem
or Messrs. Ross, regarding these discounts ? — A. Not that I am aware o|

Q. Do you feel positive that there was no such agreement, or any writi
referring to it ? — A. I should be surprised to know that there was.

Q. At the time that these discounts were made, did you know that the!
were in connection with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway ? — A. I d
not think that we were informed, but we may have had an idea.

Q. But the late Honourable J. G. Ross was an officer of your bank, was h\
not? — A. He was president.

Q. When a man seeks a large line of discount with your bank, is ncl
there always some action of the board about it ? — A. No.

Q. Do you think there would be any action of the board to give M:j
Beemer a line of discount in your bank in reference to this matter? — A. Nci
in reference to any paper with Ross & Company or James G. Ross.

Q. This paper would go right straight through because it bore his name)
— A. Well, it might not be only on that account.

Q. What I want is, to know that there are no other documents excep
the account of the transaction in the bank books which would throw an]
light on this enquiry ? — A. I do not know of any.

Q. I would like you to be able to say positively that there was none, ca
you ascertain that fact ? — A. Well, I can say positively there are none.

Q. Did Mr. Beemer have his ordinary current account in your bank ? — A
He probably had one with other banks.

Q. That account was in no way referred to in the transaction mentionej
in tli" document you have now exhibited ? — A — Not as a deposit account.

Q. The notes which are referred to in the document you have exhibited
by whom were they brought to your bank ? — A. In some cases they wouli
be brought by Mr. Beemer or his representative, and in several cases by Rosj
.v ( Jompany's people.

< l I >< i you know that simply from the face of the document or from you
own knowledge of the circumstances? — A. From my knowledge of the oil
cumstances.

( I X i >\v, what was done with the proceeds of the discounts of these notesj
— A. Most of them were passed to the credit of Ross & Company, and in soirijj

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istances they were passed to the credit of Mr. Beemer; as a general thing
i,v went to the credit of Ross & Company.
• Q. Were any of them passed to the credit of Sir A. P. Caron ?-*-A. No.

Q. Not one ? — A. Not one.

Q. "Were any of them passed to the credit of the Honourable Thomas
IcGreevy? — A. No.

Q. Were any of them passed to the credit of any person for any election
m<l ? — A. I cannot say that. I do not know what purpose.

Q. But they were passed to no person other than either Mr. Beemer or
toss & Company ? — A. No.

Q. Does the document which you have in your hands show the disposal
f the proceeds of the notes in question ? — A. It does not.

Q. I suppose all these went to the credit of Mr. Beemer? — A. No.

Q. Are you sure ? — A. Quite certain.

Q. Can yon indicate on the exhibit those which are gone to the credit of
Reiner, and which have gone to the credit of Ross & Company ? — A. It
ould take some time, this information on these sheets we had to go through
s ledgers to pick out.

Q. Would you have to go through as many ledgers to 'find how they
ore disposed of ? — A. Just the same, and more, too, for we would have to go
Lrough the registers as well.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, t^.C, for the Crown :

Q. Will you produce a statement or add on to the present statement, a
atement showing the disposal of the proceeds of the notes in question, that is
> whom they were paid, and to whose credit they were entered ? — A. I will.

An Order of the Court to the witness wras issued accordingly.

And further, for the present, deponent saith not.

Quebec, 1st October, 1892.

William Rodger Dean, Inspector of the Quebec Bank.

And on this 1st day of October, 1892, the examination of the above named
;vitness was resumed.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q. C, Counsel for the Crown :

Q. What was the cash balance at the credit of Mr. Beemer's current
vccount in your bank on the 1st of May, 1887 ? — A. On the 1st of May, 1887,
;Vir. Beemer had $15,331.87 to his credit.

Q. Can you state what amount wTent to his credit between that date and
he 27th of June, 1887. Have you a statement of this account ? — A. Do you
vish the total account or each item separately ?

Q. I want to know if there are any items other than are represented
iither by cheques of Ross & Company or the proceeds of the notes of Ross &
pompany? — A. I cannot tell what the credits consist of; I can just
iliscriminate between discounts and deposit items.

Q. What amount of discounts w^ent to his credit between the dates
mentioned ?— A. On the 14th of May, $21,808.40; on the 20th of May,
($43,500.90 ; on the 25th of June, $13,355.76 ; on the 27th June, $60,714.82.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Q. Now, will you look at account (Exhibit W E D 1,) and say wheth;
any of these items which you have mentioned are referred to al?o in th
account? — A. I do not see any item in that document that would corresporl
to the first item.

Q. The items of the 20th of May and the 27th of June, might ]
included in the statement (Exhibit W RD1) ? — A. The amounts are m
precisely the same, that of the 20th of May being in said statemej
$44,191.00, and that on the 27th of June being $61,678.00.

Q. Mr. Dean, would not these amounts mentioned in the statement ye
now produce, and which is filed as (Exhibit WED 2,) be approximately tl
proceeds of the two amounts mentioned in the statement (WED 1)? — J
That would depend a good deal on the time these notes ran, but I have i
doubt myself that they are the proceeds.

Q. What was the cash balance to the credit of Mr. Beemer on the 1st |
June, 1887?— A. On the 31st of May it was $17,882.46.

Q. You did not take down the cash balances at any other period than j
the end of the month ? — A. Yes, we took them down almost every transactiol

Q. You have not mentioned all the discount items, have you ? — A. Yd
between these dates.

Q. Now, on the statement, exhibit (WED 2), deposit entries a
marked C, and the others are marked discount ? — A. Yes, I think there is o|
item which is marked differently, being a rebate ; with that exception, I thii
they are all marked as you say.

Q. What was the cash balance at the end of June ?— A. $20,278.87.
Q. What were the discounts during the month of July? — A. On the 19
of July, $74,366.80.

Q. Do you see that referred to on the statement exhibit (WED 1) ?■
A. I see a note tor $75,145.00.

Q. You have no doubt that the credit item that you have mentioned
exhibit (WED 2) is the proceeds of that note ? — A. I have no doubt.

Q. What was the cash balance at the end of July ? — A, $9,00*2.42.

Q. What was the cash balance at the end of August? — A. $1,869.36.

Q. What discounts were added to the account in September ? — A. (
the 19th of September, $^6,350.71.

Q. Do you see that referred to in exhibit (WED1)? — A. I see a noteij
$57,21600.

Q. You have no doubt that that is the proceeds of that note which y;
have mentioned ? — A. No.

Q. I wonder if you could tell me, Mr. Dean, what the balance was tolV)
Beemer's credit on the 19th of September? — A. I cannot tell you here.

Q. What was the cash balance at the end of September? — A. T
balance to Mr. Beemer's credit on the 30th of September was $13,713.77.

Q. During the month of October, 1887, what discounts went to I
credit?— A. On the 10th of October $21,812.06, on the 20th $51,883.20.

Q. No other during October? — A. No.

Q Do you see either of these referred to on statement WRD 1 ? — A. <|
the 20th of October I see a bill for $52,846.00, the proceeds of which are,
doubt, the amount mentioned as credited on the 20th of October.

Q. Wlial was the cash balance on the end of October? — A. $18,895.'')

Q. Whal was the cash balance in September? — A. $9,514.68.

Q. What discounts went to Beemer's credit during January, 1888? —
On the 4th of January, 1888, $13,336.90.

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Q. Anything else? — A. No, that was all.

Q. Is there any corresponding item in exhibit WRD 1 ? — A. No.

Q. At the end of April, 1888, what was the cash balance ? — A. $>ti,441.05.

Q. Were there any discounts during May, 1888? — A. On the 15th of
day $27,052.83.

Q. Do you see that item or a corresponding item in exhibit WRD1? —
ik. On the 15th of May there is an item for $27,625.00 which, I have no
lonbt, is a corresponding item.

Q. Between the 15th and the 21st of May there is a deposit entry of
^524.51?— A. Yes.

Q. And that is all ? — A. That is all between these days.

Q. Will you please produce a statement showing the credit balances of Mr.
!3eemer in his current account in your bank at the close of the day on the 26th of
tame, 1887, on the 18th of July, 1887, on the 18th of September, 1887, on the
19th of October, 1887, on the 17th of January, 1887, and on the 20th and on
|,he 14th of May, 1888? — A. I now produce that statement and file it as
Inhibit (WRD 3).

Q. ,Mr. Dean, will you please look at the cheques nowT shown you and
narked from exhibit HJB 8 to HJB 13 inclusive, and say whether these
•heques were paid by your bank ? — A. They were.

Q. Would these cheques be charged against Beemer in the current

unt to which the statement WRD 2 refers ? — A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzpatrick, Counsel for Sir Adolphe Caron :

Q. How long have you been engaged in the bank ? — A. About eight and
t half years.

Q. You have been assistant cashier ? — A. Inspector.

Q. In the account referred to, exhibits (WRD 1 and WRD 2), are they
kept by the teller of the hank ? — A. No.

Q. Is the account and exhibit (WRD 1) kept? — A. This account is
written out by Mr. Petrie, but that does not show necessarily that the book
from which they were taken is kept by Mr. Petrie.

Q. I want to know who did keep it, I don't want to know what it neces-
sirilv shows. Who is "the official in the bank that is supposed to keep that? —
|A. Sometimes it is one and sometimes it is another.

Q. What is the name of the official who keeps it ? — A. Liability Ledger
'Keeper.

Q. Who is the official of the bank who keeps that account WRD 2 ? —
V. The deposit ledger keeper.

Q. You have, during your period of time, occupied either of these posi-
tions?— A. No.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C.:

Q. These documents are extracted from the regular books of the bank ?
—A. They are.

And further, for the present, deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, one of the official stenographers for the House of
Commons of Canada, sworn stenographer in this cause, do declare, on the
oath I have taken, that the above is a faithful transcript of the evidence of
the above named witness, taken by me by means of stenography.

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Quebec, 22nd October, 1 892.

The examination of William Rodger Dean, inspector of the Quebec Bank,
was further resumed.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C.:

Q. What is your position in the Quebec Bank ? — A. Inspector.

Q As such you are acquainted with the accounts ot the bank ? — A. Yes.j

Q. Did Sir Adolphe Caron have an account in the Quebec Bank, Quebec,
during the period from 1882 to 1891? — A. No regular account, there may!
have been a transaction or two in that time.

Q. Was there a transaction ? — A. There was.

Q. When ?— A. In February, 1891.

Q. Was it a deposit to the credit of Sir Adolphe Caron ? — A. It was an
amount that was advised by the Ottawa Branch of the Quebec Bank to be
paid to Sir Adolphe Caron ; we placed it to his credit and he drew it out in
three cheques.

Q. In what periods ? — A. One cheque for $100 drawn on 24th February.
1891 ; one cheque for $500 on 26th February, 1891, and one cheque for $1,40C
on the 3rd of March, 1891.

Q. That closed the account ? — A. That closed the account.

Q. That is the only transaction that appears from the books of your bankj
that Sir Adolphe Caron had during the period I have named ? — A. Yes.

Q. Do you know to whom these cheques were granted — A. I do not.

Q. Do the books of the bank show that — A. No, the books would not.

Q. Do you know whether these cheques were presented by Sir Adolphe!
Caron himself, or. by some one else? — A. I cannot say, I do not know.

By Mr. Pentland, Counsel for Sir Adolphe Caron :

Q. That is the only deposit account Sir Adolphe Caron appears tc
have had in your bank from 1882 to 1891, inclusive? — A. That is all.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do declare under the;
oath I have already taken that the above is a true and faithful transcript oil
the shorthand notes of the evidence of the above named witness.

Quebec, 13th September, 1892.

The Royal Commission to enquire as to the truth or falsity of certair
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, resumes its sitting
at the city of Quebec, this morning, for the taking of evidence in reference t(
such charges.

Present :

The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier,
" Melbourne Tait,

Commissioners.
By the Honourable George Irvine, Q.C.:

I appear before your Honours as counsel for Mr. Beemer, the witness whc
lb under examination. At the last sitting of the Commission, in obedience U
an order of the Court, he has brought the books referred to in his examination

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Edgar versus Caron.

$ yesterday, and has them ready to be submitted. As this matter was only
brought to my notice this morning, I should like, if it does not otherwise delay
the business of the Commission, and if some other business can be taken for a
Sort time, that I should have an opportunity to examine the books first with
Mr. Beemer.

By Mr. Justice Bouthier, Commissioner:
There is no objection to that.

The Honourable Thomas McGreevy, of the city of Quebec, being duly
-worn, deposed as follows :

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. McGreevy, you have been summoned to produce all books, bank
books, cheque books, cheque stubs, receipts, letters, orders, papers and vouchers
referring to the receipt and payment of the election expenditures, while you
acted as political treasurer to the conservative party in the district, of Quebec ? —
A. I have not got any books or papers or anything but the receipts. I gave
them over at Ottawa during the investigations, and they remain there. I have
not got any of them back since. There are simply the receipts which I have
got in my possession now. I have those in some of my boxes. I have been
moving lately, and they are packed away somewhere and I do not know what
box they are in just now. It is only the receipts that I have.

By Mr. Eitzvatrick, Q. C. :

Your Honours, before this matter is gone into, I would like to know are
we going to have the whole of Mr. McGreevy's records as treasurer of the
conservative party from 1882 to 1891 brought out for our delectation. It
may be interesting to the outside world, and I submit that it is not very prac-
tical in this inquiry.

Mr. Justice Tail :

Mr. Archibald has put the question that the witness is subpoenaed to bring
his books, and it is hardly time to raise this objection yet.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q. C., Counsel for the Crown :

Q. As a matter of fact, did you act for the political party of Sir A. P. Caron
in connection with elections in the district of Quebec ? — A. I had something
to do with the elections.

Q. What was it that you had to do with these elections? — A. I had the
payment of money that was collected for election purposes — to be paid accor-
ding to orders given to me.

Q. How long did you act in that capacity ? — A. I think from about 1882.

Q. Up to what date ?— A. Up to 1887.

Q. Including 1887 ?— A. Including 1887.

Q. There were some general elections during that period, were there
not? — A. There was a general election in 1882 and one in 1887.

Q. What month in 1882, do you remember ? — A. I think it was some time
in June or July, some time in the summer of 1882.

Q. And in 1887?— A. In February, I think.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893!

Q. That is in the first part of 1887 ? — A. Yes, in the beginning.

Q. Your office might be called then the political treasurer? — A. There!
were certain moneys put in my hands and orders given to pay them out — I was|
not the political treasurer — I think there was a treasurer generally named foij
it. I was simply in possession of some moneys that I paid out.

Q. You, I suppose, kept these moneys deposited in the bank ? — A. No.*
very seldom. There may have been some in the bank, but I generally paid
out bills, I never gave any cheques.

Q. And were the moneys handed to you in the shape of bills ? — A. The1
money came to me generally, I think, in bills.

Q. And were handed out in bills ? — A. They were given to me in bills.!

Q. And paid by you in bills ? — A. Paid by me in bills.

Q. "Were you in any way instructed or controlled as to the payment oJ
these moneys by any person ?— A. Well, there were certain arrangements!
made that a certain amount was to go to each party, which I paid according*
to the orders given to me.

Q. You say there were arrangements made ; I want to know how thesq
arrangements were made and who made them ? — A. I do not know anj
particular arrangements that were made. It was arranged that there was s
certain amount of money, and it was to be paid according to orders.

Q. I want to know who it was that directed and controlled these arrange I
ments ? — A. At what time ?

Q. We will say during the elections of 1887 ? — A. I think it was Siij
Hector Langevin and Sir A. P. Caron ; they consulted about them.

Q. You say Sir Hector Langevin and Sir A. P. Caron; were there anj
others ? — A. I am not aware of any others.

Q. Did you pay out any moneys from that fund without an order from
one of these gentlemen ? — A. I might have paid without an order; it might!
have been intimated to me to give money and I have paid without written
orders ; some, but the bulk of it was upon written orders.

Q. Upon written orders ? — A. Yes.

Q. I suppose you have those written orders ? — A. I think so, most of
them.

Q. You did not bring them with you, did you ? — A. No, I cannot getj
them for some days ; I have been moving out of the house I was in and theyj
are in different boxes ; there are some in the boxes and some in the safe. I
may in a day or two get access to them.

I }. But have you not had time to make search for these ? — A. No, the,
subpama was left in Piviere du Loup and I was in Montreal at the time ; 1|
had to go up there and consequently I could not get here before yesterday, if
will look them up, and I think I can get them in a few days.

( I You say a few days ; I want something more definite than that ? — A.i
I cannot say where my boxes are just now ; some are in Lower Town and]
some in the house I am living in now. I cannot find them just now, and;
some of the things are missing and I had to break open some of the boxes.'
But they are in my possession somewhere in some of these trunks and I will
get them. •

Q, You have spoken of two general elections, one in 1882, and the other
in 1887 ; did you act in the same capacity in both elections ? — A. Not quite)
the same. There were no written orders given at all in 1882, it was paid out;
according to some arrangement, a verbal understanding. There were no records;
kept of it.

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«3

Q. But were the same individuals directing you in 1882? — A. I cannot
-ay that. I would not say they were. I do not think Sir A. P. Caron had
mything to do with 1882. I do not think he had.

Q. Were there any by-elections between these dates? — A. Oh, yes, there
A'ere quite a number of by-elections, I think.

Q. Did you act as treasurer in these by-elections ? — A. Sometimes I did.

Q. Were these also directed by Sir Hector Lanvevin and Sir A. P. Caron ?

-A. I cannot give particulars of it, because there were no accounts kept.

There was some money collected and was sent to me or I was asked to send

some money, and it was made up afterwards. There were a few by-elections,

[ cannot state which they were particularly, because I kept no record of them.

Q. You cannot say that Sir A. P. Caron had anything to do with giving
vou any orders in connection with these by-elections? — A. I cannot say he
lid, I would not like to swear he did.

Q. It is only concerning the general elections of 1887? — A. Principally
87.

Q. Then, did you keep an account of the various sums of money which
vou paid out in that election? — A. In which election?

Q. In the election of 1887 ? — A. I had an account for the receipts and
the amounts paid out.

Q. Have you got that account ? — A. That is the same thing ; they are the
vouchers I alluded to now ; they are the receipts for the money I paid out.

Q. Now, I suppose you did not pay out money without having received it
first? — A. Sometimes I did pay money without receiving it. I paid my own
money out and had to trust to get it afterwards.

Q. You had to trust to get it back again ? — A. Yes.

Q But in this election of 1887 you received certain moneys for that fund ?
—A. Yes.

Q. Did you receive any by the hands of Sir A. P. Caron himself? — A. I
think I did.

Q. Can you state to what amount? — A. I think it was twenty-five thou-
sand dollars ($25,000.00) or about that amount, it perhaps may be a little less ?

Q. Through cheque, was it not ? — A. It came to me in bank bills.

Q. You do not know the bills of what bank ? — A. Well it is pretty hard
to recollect now.

Q. I suppose it would be, unless you noticed it particularly. Was it the
Quebec Bank ? — A. I do not know There might be some of the Quebec
Bank, but I would not swear yes or no.

Q. You are sure it was not a cheque you received ? — A. I am quite con-
vinced it was in paper bills.

Q. Did you receive any from Mr. H. J. Beemer? — A. No, I got no
money from Mr. Beemer.

Q. You got no money from Mr. Beemer? — A. No.

Q. Or any document representing money ? — A. No.

Q. Any cheque? — A. Nothing at all.

Q. No note or anything of that sort ? — A. Nothing at all, I had no
transaction with Mr. Beemer concerning elections that I can remember.

Q. Did you receive any money from the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company? — A. No, sir.

Q. Not a cent ? — A. Not a cent, none whatever.

Q. Neither cheque or bills ? — A. Neither cheque nor bills nor notes nor
J anything else.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189.

Q. Did you receive any from Lake St. John Railway Trading and Lun
bering Company ? — A. No.

Q. Not a cent ? — A. Not a cent, no.

Q. During the whole period ? — A. Not during the whole period ; I nev<|
got a cent or a cheque or a subscription or anything like that.

Q. During the whole period, from 1882 to 1891 ? — A. Not a dollar.

Q. Neither in money nor cheques nor otherwise ? — A. Neither in mow'
nor cheques nor promissory notes.

Q. Did you receive any from James G. Ross, president of the Quebec ani
Lake St. John Railway Construction Company ? — A. None whatever, not f<|
the purpose of elections.

Q. Not for the purpose of elections ? — A. None at all, not a cent.

Q. None from Ross Brothers? — A. None from Ross Brothers, either.

Q. Did you receive any from the Directors of the Construction Compan
— A. None, neither directly or indirectly.

Q. Did you receive anything from either the Construction Company i
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company or Mr. Beemer, eith
directly or indirectly ? — A. No.

Q. Did you know if you were the only person acting for the disburseme
of money in these elections in this district ? — A. I do not know of any oth
except myself for Federal elections.

Q. Do you think that if there had been anyone else acting you wou
have known it ? — A. I think there was none, I did not know that there w
To my knowledge, there was none, that I have any knowledge of. I think
would have known it if there was.

Q. Mr. McGreevy, do you know whether any of the other sums whi
you received as part of that fund came to you either directly or indirec
from Mr. H. J. Beemer ? — A. They did not.

Q. They did not ?— A. No.

Q. Nor from the two companies which I have mentioned? — A.
Neither from the Construction Company, nor the Lake St. John Railw;
Company, nor from Mr. Beemer.

Q. Had you any dealings other than those which you have mentioned
any way, with either Mr. Beemer or the railway company or the Constructi
Company ? — A. No transactions whatever.

Q. Did you, Mr. McGreevy, have any conversation with Sir A. P. Ca
with regard to the electoral fund or its disposal ? — A. Well, it is pretty
back now ; you see it is four or five years ago, and there might have bee
conversation, but I would not like to swear what particular conversation to
place at the time. It is five or six years ago. There are many transactions
place that I would not like to swear to. I could not swear to any con versa

Q. But there may be something that you might remember
McGreevy? — A. I do not know of anything particular.

Q. Were the subscriptions which you received sent into you wit
solicitation on your part? — A. I got some of them myself, but what Sir
( Jaron gave me it was not by my request at all, he handed it in to me.

Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron direct you with regard to the persons from w
von were to ask subscriptions? — A. No.

Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron tell you where he received the $25,000 which
gave you ? — A. Well it is pretty hard to state positively what transpii
then, it being verbal. He gave it to me in bank bills, which I gave h
receipts for.

164

EdiMi* versus (Viron.

Q. But did he tell you where he got it ? — A. He might have at the time,
it I am not certain. I would not like to say yes or no as to whether he
me where he got the money at the time.

Q. Did you know where he got it? — A. Well, if I knew I must only
»ve known from what he told me, because I knew nothing about it other-
se.

Q. Did you know ? — A. I cannot swear positively.

Q. Whether you knew or not ? — A. I would not like to swear to that.

Q. Well, you must have had an impression about it ? — A. Well, of course

had impressions, but I do not know whether they might be correct or not.

Q. Have you any letters or writings of any kind which would inform

'ou, to know where this money came from ? — A. Oh, no, none whatever.

["here are no letters.

Q. Have you any correspondence, save these receipts you have
inentioned with Sir A. P. Caron? — A. None at all.

Q. Have you an'y other books or documents which refer to these matters,

j.vith the exception of the receipts ? — A. None, except the receipts. All other

pooks, documents and cheques are up at Ottawa. I had them there during

he investigation, and they have never been returned to me yet. I have never

*een one of them since.

Q. They are now up at Ottawa? — A. Yes.

Q. And the only things you have are these receipts ? — A. These receipts,
hat is, for my own protection.

Q. Did you communicate these receipts to any person ? — A. I have com-
tunicated them to my counsel and others interested in the suit that was going
on.

Q. Have you seen any of them made public ? — A. I have seen them made
public, but not with my authority or consent, but against it.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Do you know whether any of the money you received for election
I purposes, and have spoken of, came out of the subsidies that were voted by
ithe Dominion Parliament to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company ?
| — A. I have no personal knowledge of that.

Q. Have you any reason to believe that any portion of these moneys did
belong to the subsidies ? — A. I would not like to swear to anything of the sort
because I do not know.

By Mr. Justice Routhier :

Q. Sir Adolphe Caron never told you? — A. I do not think he did.

Mr. Archibald, counsel for the Crown, asked that there should be an
order by the court that the witness produce the receipts before the Commis-
sioners?— A. (Mr. McGreevy.) I promise, later, to bring them as soon as I
can get them. I had sixteen cart loads of papers. I could not get hold of
the particular trunks they are in, but I promise to produce them in court as
soon as I can get them. I believe I will be able to produce them by Tuesday
next.

Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron does not bring any cross-examination.

And further, for the present, deponent saith not.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893J

Quebec, 4th October, 1892.

On this fourth day of October, 1892, Honourable Thomas McGreevy
after being duly sworn, was recalled and deposed as follows : —

I have not found these papers yet ; I have been searching for them, bu
there are several boxes yet to go through.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Are you in a position to say that you have searched thoroughly fo]
them ? — A. I have searched so far and have not completed my search yet
because there are a great deal of cases and boxes to go through. But I know
they are in my possession somewhere ; I saw them last winter. I have beer
moving and packing up my things and they got mixed. I thought the}
were in the safe, and I went to the safe this morning and they are not there
that is in the house I lived in on the Esplanade. *

Q. You are not now in a position to say that these documents cannot b<
found ? — A. Cannot say that. I would not say that. I think I can find them
in the course of time.

Q. How much time do you require to continue your search ? — A. It maj
be a couple of days yet before I can find them.

Mr. Archibald, Counsel for the Crown. — I ask for an order of the courll
in the matter, that the search be continued and that the witness be ordered t<
produce them when found.

Mr. Ferguson, Q C. — What papers are they ?

Mr. Archibald, Q.C. — The orders on which the money was paid out.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — Is that material ? It has been shown that the monej
was received for election purposes and the instructions of the Commission d(
not direct as to how it was applied.

By Mr. Justice Tait, Commissioner :

As I understand it, that is merely to shew that Sir A. P. Caron drew oi
these moneys in the hands of Mr. McGreevy ; of course, it is only as regard*
Sir A. P. Caron that the documents will be required. If Mr. McGreevy hi
any orders from Sir A. P. Caron in reference to this $25,000, it might be con-|
sidered relevant.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — It strikes me that the object of the inquiry is
find out if these moneys were received for election purposes, and that
already been disposed of.

By Mr. Justice Rout hi er, Commissioner :

The best way to show that, would be to produce these papers.

\Ik. Ferguson. Q.C. — Mr. McGreevy has shown that. "We do not ne
to inquire whether Mr. McGreevy has told it as he ought.

Mr. Archibald, Q.C. — I do not propose to go any further than to conne
Sir A. P. Caron with the distribution of it.

I >rder of the Court applied for, granted.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C, for the Crown :

Q. As Mi. McGreevy is now in the box, I wish to ask him if he has
received any money from the Temiscouata Railway Company? — A. None
whatever.

166

Edeur versus Caron.

Q. You say you received no money whatever for political purposes from
Le Temiscouata Railway Company ? — A. No, nor for any other purpose.
Q. Now, you received none from the directors? — A. None from the
(directors, neither.

Q. Nor from J. J. McDonald ?— A. No.

Q. Nor from A. R. McDonald?— A. No.

Q. Nor from Doctor Grandbois ? — A. No, nothing from any of them at

Q. From none of them at all? — A. None of them at all.

And further, for the present, deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, of the House of Commons, do
hereby certify the foregoing depositions to be a true and faithful reproduction
of my stenographic notes.

Quebec, 26th October, 1892.
Honourable Thomas McG-reevy, of the city of Quebec.
The examination of the above named witness was resumed.

Examined by Mr. Bisaillon, Q. C, of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. You have been ordered by the Commissioners to bring with you the
orders for money from Sir A. P. Caron. Have you brought them ? — A. I have
got some ; yes, I brought them.

Q. Will you file them ? — A. Well, I would rather not. I have no objec-
tion to give copies of them. I would rather keep the originals,

Q. Will you give copies -of them ? — A. If you wish to take copies of them
I have no objection, but I would rather not file them. I gave up papers and
documents in Ottawa last year and never got one of them back.

Q. Please read the papers and documents that you have now in your hands
to the official stenographer? — A. The first is as follows : —

$1000.

Please pay to Mr. Larose for legal expenses, Megantic, one thousand
dollars, 8-2-87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.
Honourable T. McGreevy,
Quebec,

Received the amount.

D. L. LAROSE.
(Second) 3rd February, 1878.

Private
Dear Mr. McGreevy,

Will you oblige me by giving Mr. Tarte what he will explain to you
is required ?

Yours, A. P. C.

Paid $150 Tarte & Huot.
Q. Is that Mr. Tarte's signature ? — A. No, it is not, I put that on myself.

(Third)

Received from Mr. McGreevy five hundred dollars, legal expenses, election
of the countv of Quebec.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.
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By Mr. Archibald, Q. C. :
Q. Is there a date on that? — A. There is no date on this.
By Mr. Pentland, Q. C. :

Q. Has this any relation to the election of 1887? — A. I think so, I pulB
it amongst the papers of 1887. I found it amongst those papers. I cannoln
swear positively whether it was 1887 or not, but that is my opinion, that is all.

(No. )

Please give Mr. H. B. Smith one hundred and fifty dollars for legalj
expenses for the county of Quebec.

Honourable T. McGreevy, Quebec 9, 2, 87,

Quebec.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Q. There is no date on that ? — Yes, and there is a small note on it markec
" paid " by myself.

Q. That was marked by yourself? — A. Yes, and is in my own han(
writing.

By Mr. Justice Routhier :

Q. Was it paid ? — A. It must have been paid when I marked it paid.

(No. 5.)

Received from Hon'ble Mr. McGreevy, two thousand dollars.

Quebec, 19-2-87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

(No. 6.)

$200.

Received from Hon'ble T. McGreevy, two hundred dollars for leg*
expenses for the county of Quebec.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Q. Is there any date on that ? — A. There is no date signed on that bj
him.

Q. What have you got to say about that one ? — A. Just the same as
said in the other cases. I found it among my papers.

By Mr. Ferguson :

Q. That is all you know about the date of it ? — A. That is all I kno^
about the date of it.

(No. 7.)

$400.

Please pay four hundred dollars, legal expenses. County of Quebec.
Quebec, 17 Feb., 89.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Q. This order does not state to whom the amount was pa*id. Do y(
know to whom it was paid ? — A. No.

By Mr, Ferguson :

Q. Do you know if it was paid at all ? — A. It must have been paid.

168

Edgar versus Caron.

By Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C. :

Q. Do you know whether it has been paid ? — A. It was paid, but I am
)t going to swear to particulars because it is too long ago.

|. 8.)

Received from Hon. T. McGreevy one hundred dollars for legal expenses,
mnty of Quebec.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Q. There is no date to that ? — A. No.

By Mr. Ferguson :

Q. Have you any idea when you got that ? — A. I am under the same
npression as before. It was mixed up with my papers of 1887.

tfo. 9.)

Please pay to Mr. Desjardins, two hundred and fifty dollars, for legal
xpenses in the county of Montmorency.

9-2-87. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

deceived the above amount,

L. H. Desjardins.
tfo. 10.)

[on'ble T. McGreevy,
Quebec.
Please give bearer two hundred dollars for legal expenses for the county
■ Levis.

ADOLPHE P. CAROK
deceived two hundred dollars.

Chs. Darveau.

Q. Is there a date on that ? — A. No.

Q. Did you find this among the other papers of 1887 ? — A. Yes.

By Mr. Ferguson :

Q. And that is the only reason you think it is of that date ? — A. Yes.

Xo. 11.)

Honourable T. McGreevy,
Quebec.

Please give bearer two hundred dollars for legal expenses, election of
>ellechasse.

Juebec, 5-2-78. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

leceived the amount,

I. R. Belleau.
No. 12.]

« $1,500.

Please give to Mr. Santerre, for legal expenses in the election of Belle-
hasse, five hundred dollars,
iuebec, 8-2-78.

Ionourable T. McGreevy, ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Quebec.

Received amount,

Adelard Santerre.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189.:

(No. 13.)

Honourable T. McGreevy,
Quebec.

Please give to bearer, Mr. Santerre, three hundred dollars, legal e?
penses for the county of Bellechase. 4-2-87.

ADOLPHE P. CAROK

Received the within amount,

Adelard Santerre.

(No. 14.)

Please give bearer, Mr. Belleau, four hundred dollars for legal expens*
for the election of Bellechase.

Quebec, 12-2-87. ADOLPHE P. CAROK

Honourable T. McGreevy,
Quebec.

Received the amount,

Eus. Belleau.
(No. 15.)

$100.
Please give bearer, Mr. Fradette, one hundred dollars for legal expens<|
in the Bellechasse election.

Quebec, 9-2-87. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Received amount,

Pierre Fradette.
(No. 16.)

Received from Honourable T. McGreevy, one thousand dollars for leg!
expenses in election of Berthier.

Quebec, 7-2-78. JOS. ROBILLARD.

Q. "Who is Joseph Robillard ? — A. I think he was a candidate for tfl
county of Berthier.

Q. For the Local election or the Federal ? — A. I think it is the Federal
I think you will find a receipt for this somewhere else.

(*o. 17.)

Pay to W. Larue balance of amount assigned to the county of Portnei?

Quebec, 17 Feb., 87.

ADOLPHE P. CAROK
(No. 18.)

$800.
Please give eight hundred dollars to Mr. Santerre, eight hundred dollal
legal expenses in the Bellechasse election.

Quebec, 14th Feb., '87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.
Mr. T. McGreevy,

Quebec.
Q. There is no receipt on this order? — A. I do not see any.
Q. Do you know if it was paid to Mr. Santerre ? — A. It must have bee]
paid.

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Edgar versus Caron.

<o. 19)

o the Honourable T. McGreevy,
Quebec.

Please give to bearer under cover to P. Landry, Esq., one thousand dollars-
>r legal expenses in election of Montmagn y.

uebec, 10th February 1887.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Received one parcel said to contain above amount.

H. HEBERT.

Vo. 20)

Dear Mr. McGreevy, — Please give Mr. Desaulniers five hundred dollars
>r which he will give you his note. This has been agreed to bv him and

elf. -

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

\'o. 21.) Quebec, 4th February, 1887.

Six months after date, I promise to pay to my order, at the Union Bank,
ere, the sum of five hundred dollars, for value received.

F. L. DESAULNIERS.
Paid 8th August, 1889.
:o. 69. Quebec, P. Q.

-7th August

H. M 710.

7-8th August.

A. That last is a note that Mr. Desaulniers gave me that he never paid.

Q. Had that auy thing to do with the election of 1887 ? — A. Yes, it had
11 to do with it, because it is amongst those papers and the note was given to
im in the beginning for election purposes ; I think so ; that is my opinion.

I By Mr. Ferguson :

Q. There is no date on it and you cannot say ? — A. There is no date on
he order.
Xo. 22.)

$200. Please pay Mr. Julien Chabot, two hundred dollars, legal expenses
>r the election of Levis.

Tonourable T. McGreevy,

Quebec. '

iuebec, 14th February, 1887. ADOLPHK P. CARON.

Q. Was this amount paid to Mr. Chabot ? — A. Yes, I have a receipt tor
t.

No. 23.)

ion'ble T. McGreevy.

Please pay bearer Mr. V. W. Larue, N. P., Quebec, five hundred dollars
°0) for legal expenses for the county of Quebec.

Juebec, 25-1-87. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189!

That last is endorsed on the back as follows : —

(No. 24.)

Please pay to J. E. Prince, Esq., the legal agent of Mr. Ed. J. Duchesna>
the Conservative candidate in Portneuf Co.

Quebec, 25-1-87. V. W. LARUE.

Received the above amount this 3 1st Jan., 1887.

J. E. PRINCE.

Q. Have you any doubt that the amount paid to Mr. Prince is the sai
amount ordered by Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I believe it is.

Q. According to this, the order was in favour of Mr. Larue and he ordere!
it to be paid to Prince ? — A. That is how it turns out.

(No. 25.)

Dear Mr. McGreevy, — Please give Mr. Tarte five hundred dollars,
shall explain.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.
Received the amount.

J. I. TARTE.

Q. Have you any doubt about this amount having been paid during tl
election of 1887 ? — A. I have no doubt about the amount having been paid.

By Mr. Ferguson :

Q. Had it anything to do with the election ? — A. I believe so, I foi
it amongst the papers of the election of 1887.

(No. 26.)

Please give bearer, Mr. Chasse, two hundred (200) dollars for expenses tj
Gaspe and back.

Quebec, 4, 3, 87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

To Honourable Thomas McGreevy,
Quebec.
Received the amount of $200, 4th March, 1887.

H. CHASSE.
(No. 27).

Please pay four hundred dollars for Gaspe election.

Quebec, 8-3-87. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

(No. 28.)
$300.

Give V. W. Larue, Esq., three hundred dollars for legal expenses f(|
county of Portneuf.

A. P. CARON.
Honourable Thomas McGreevy,

Quebec.
Received the amount of three hundred dollars as mentioned in order
Mr. McGreevy.

V. W. LARUE.
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Eldsrar versus ( Jaron.

No. 29.)
$800.

Please pay to Mr. W. Larue for legal expenses in, the election of Portneuf.

Quebec. 12, 2, 87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.
["he Honourable Thomas McGreevy, Quebec.

Received eight hundred dollars.

12, 2, 87. V. W. LARUE.

No. 30.)
$1,000.

Please pay one thousand dollars to Mr. Robillard, for legal expenses of
Serthier.

A. P. CARON.
Q. There is no date on that? — A. No, there is no date.
Mr. Ferguson objects to the filing of documents without dates.

By Mr.Bisaillon :

IQ. Will you please state whether the receipt dated the 7, 2, 87 related to
:his order that you have just read? — A. I take it as such. I put them
.ogether for that purpose. I put the receipt with the order together for that
purpose. That is the reason I brought it here.

(No. 31.)
$200.

Please pay to the bearer, J. A. Morency, Esq., two hundred dollars, being
tor legal expenses in the county ot Beauce.

Quebec, 31, 1887. A. P. CARON.

Received the amount.

J. A. MORENCY.

Q. Have you any doubt that this was paid during the election of 1887? —
I A. There is no doubt about the payment being made.

Q. During the election of 1887?-— A. I won't swear more than I believe.

(No.1 32.)

Please give Mr. Tarte three hundred dollars for legal expenses in the
county of Charlevoix.

Quebec, 25-1-87. ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Received the amount.

J. I. TARTE.
■(No. 33.)

Please pay eight hundred dollars, legal expenses for the election of
Charlevoix.

Quebec, 7-2-87.

ADOLPHE P. CARON.

Q. Has that been paid ? — A. There are more of them there that have not
been paid. All the orders have been paid.

Q. You cannot say to whom it has been paid for the county of Charle-
voix ? — A. No ; but when there was no money paid I gave the money back.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189:

Q. "Was it paid to Mr. Tarte ? — A. It may have been paid to him
somebody else.

(No. 34.)
My Dear Mr. McG-reevy,

Please give, for me, two hundred dollars to Tarte and Casgrain, for me,
account of Beauport.

Yours very truly,
(13-6-82.) ADOLPHE P. CARON.

By Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C. :

Q. I notice that nearly all these receipts are endorsed. Were th(
endorsed by yourself or by your clerk ? — A. Some of them are by myself ar
some by my clerk. Gaspe, $400, that is myself ; Megantic, $1,000, that
myselt; Quebec county, $150, that is not mine. It is in young Power!
handwriting, my clerk, who is dead. Quebec county, $500, that is
writing ; Quebec county, $150, that is not mine ; Quebec county. $2,00'
that is not mine ; Quebec county, $400, that is mine ; Montmorency, $25<
that is my handwriting ; Quebec county, $1,000, that is mine; Levis, $20<
that is my clerk's handwriting; Bellechasse, $500, $100 and $400, that is by m(
Quebec county, $400, that is by me; Montmagny, $1,000, that is by m<
Levis, $200, that is by me ; Berthier, $1000, that is by me ; Charlevoix, thi
is by my clerk, I think.

Q. Now, Mr. McGreevy, the endorsement was taken ; was it your hah]
to put the papers away in certain places ? — A. Yes, I generally put thei
together.

Q. The documents of one year would not be mixed up with thj
documents of another year ? — A. I do not say that they might not happen tj
get in. I do not swear to that.

Q. But it would be the exception ? — A. I found them mixed up in soi
cases, but I separated all these as far as I could.

Q. Did you keep a book of account of the payment made of any ordei
from Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I kept no account at all. I simply kept
memorandum, but no books.

Q. Could you say by the memorandum, the dates of the different payment
that have been made ? — I cannot swear whether I have got that memorandui
or not. I brought everything that I could discover in the name of Si
Adolphe Caron, or in his hand-writing.

Q. You did not find any memorandum ? — A. No, there is no memoi
dum separately for that.

( I. Are you sure of that ? — A. I am quite sure of it.

Q. Were the amounts paid in cash or in cheques? — A. I paid no cheqi
at all. Everything was paid in bank bills.

Q. Will you state whether the different amounts that you have pai<|
according to these orders have been charged to the amount deposited in you
hands for the election of 1887 ? — A. Of course, charged to the expenditure c

Q. That is out of the $25,000 that you received from Sir A. P. Caron ?-
A. I do not say exactly that. There were other funds besides that, it migh
have been taken out of other funds.

By Mr. Justice Roulhier :

Q. Well, out of the general fund ? — A. Yes, out of the general fund.

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By Mr. Archibald :

Q. And that $25,000 formed part of the general fund ? — A. Yes, it
rmed part.

By Mr. Bisaillon :

Q. Have you got any means of becoming positive that the amount of the
ders or receipts that were produced were paid during the election of 1887? —
.. It is my impression, and that is why I brought them, yet there may be a
listake and I cannot swear to it.

Q. You have no other means to recollect ? — A. No.

Q. These documents that you have filled were in your possession, bearing
le signature of Sir A. P. Caron, and referred to the elections of 1887 ? — A. I
ave put everything in that I got, either in his hand writing or signed by
im.

Q. There is no other ? — A. Not that I am aware of.

Cross-examined by Mr. Pent land, Q.C., of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron :

Q. Under what circumstances did you get this note from Mr. Desaul-
iers ? — A. It was for the election of 1887.

Q. Was it paid ? — A. It never was paid. I would not have the note if it
^as paid.

Q. How do you know that this note was sent to you from Sir A. P.
laron ? — A. Only by the letter that accompanied it.

Q. Was the letter annexed to it ? — A. The letter must have come with
; or I would not have taken his note and given him the money.

Q. Will you kindly look at the letter and state whether it bears any
ate ? — A. There is no date on the letter.

Q. Does the letter appear to have been annexed to the note in question? —
L Not that I am aware of ; I got his note and gave him the money for it and
e never paid it.

Q. What did you do with these two papers ; the note and the paper
hich you call a letter ? — A. I found them amongst the other papers. I
ound them amongst the payments for 1887.

Q. They were not attached when you found them, they were separate as
hey are now ? — A. I cannot tell that. In looking over the papers, I found
he note there, and I remember taking the note from him and giving him the
noney for it previous to the election of 1887, and I found this order to give it
) him amongst the others.

Q. In looking over the papers to produce before this Commission you
bund them separate ? — A. I found them altogether in a parcel.

Q. They were separate ? — A. I am not going to swear positively that it

iciven in 1887. I assumed it was in it.

Q. You only assumed that this paper or letter was given in connection
vith the election of 1887 ?— A. Yes.

Q. You will not swear it was ? — A. No.

Q. You were not in the habit of instituting proceedings upon any unpaid
jiotes that were given in connection with the elections to force the makers to
pay them by legal proceedings ? — A. I do not think I ever sued anyone for
m election.

Q. Do you remember threatening Mr. Desaulniers with proceedings on that
,iote ? — A. I might have done so, because he got more than the amount that
i'vas allotted to him.

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56 Victoria. {Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Q. Did he get more than the amount mentioned in that note ? — A. ])
got a great deal more in connection with the elections.

Q. I want to know whether or not you did not threaten him with lea
proceedings in connection with that note? — A. No ; I think that was not tl
legal proceedings note. It was in connection with an order for another $5(|
which Sir Adolphe had nothing to do with. He gave an order on the paymastf
of the House of Commons and he dishonoured it.

Q. It was a private matter ? — A. It was not a private matter, it was in cc|
nection with the elections.

Q. It was not this matter ? — A. No.

Q. You swear you did not threaten Mr. Desaulniers to compel him \
pay this note ? — A. I might have done so, but he did not pa}^ the note, j
threatened him about the other $500, that he got me to give an order on tj
paymaster of the House of Commons for, which he dishonoured and would rf

pay.

Q. I find, Mr. McGreevy, among the orders filed by you in your examiij
tion in chief, a number of them with no dates attached thereto ; can you swcj
positively that these orders were given in connection with the election [
1887? — A. I am not going to swear positively.

Q. You cannot swear positively ? — A. No.

Q. In point of fact, they were not all paid out of the $25,000 deposits,
you were the general treasurer, if I mistake not, for this district ? — A. I cam
state what was paid out of the $25,000.

Q. You were treasurer for the general fund ? — A. Yes, for the district |:
Quebec.

Q. And this fund received money from different sources and quarters?!
— A. There were other amounts besides that.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do declare, under oaf
I have taken, that the above is a true and faithful transcript of the shorthaij
notes of the evidence of the above named witness.

Quebec, 1st October, 1892.

The Royal Commission appointed to inquire as to the truth or falsity
the charges preferred against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, met
the Court-house in the city of Quebec, this morning.

present :
The Honourable Adolphe Basile Routhier,
" Melbourne M. Tait,

Commissioners.

•J ames Geggie, of the city of Quebec, accountant for the firm of Ross
Company, being duly sworn, deposeth as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Mr. Geggie, you are, I think, in the employment of Messrs. Ross I
Company ?— A. I am.

Q. In what capacity? — A. I have been for many years confident
clerk.

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Q. And in that capacity you are well acquainted with the transactions of
bat firm? — A. Yes.

Q. And with the entries in their books ? — A. Yes.

Q. Particularly with the transaction between the firm and IT. J. Beemer ?
-A. Yes.

Q. Will you please look at the memorandum HJB 2, purporting to
hew certain notes granted by H. J. Beemer, in favour of Messrs. Ross & Com-
>any, of the dates mentioned in the memorandum, and say if you have
Knowledge of the transactions referred to in that memorandum ? — A. I have
knowledge.

Q. Are those transactions entered in the books of Ross & Company? — A.
Phey are.

Q. Will you please explain the consideration given by Ross & Company
ot the notes mentioned in that memorandum, if any? — A. There are none.

Q. There was none ? — A. There was no consideration.

Q. Then why were the notes given ? — A. Mr. Ross discounted them for
VIr. Beemer.

Q. Did he give Mr. Beemer the proceeds? — A. I think so, we charged
Beemer with the cheques that were given for these notes.

Q. You charged Beemer with the cheques Mr. Ross gave for these notes ?
-A, Yes.

Q. To what purpose were the cheques given for these notes applied ? — A.
[ do not know.

Q. You do not know ? — A. No.

Q. Have you in your possession the cheques that were given for these
notes ? — A. I have.

Q. Do you now produce them ? — A. Yes. I now produce five (5) cheques
jsigned, drawn by Ross & Company payable to H. J. Beemer or bearer. The
first marked exhibit JG 1, being for five thousand dollars ($5,000) and of date
fourth of February, 1887, the second being for the sum of four thousand seven
hundred and fifty dollars ($4,750) date ninth February, 1887, exhibit JG 2,
;the third exhibit JG 3, of date ninth February, 1887, for the sum of $5,250,
the fourth, marked JG 4, of date the 18th February, 1887, for the sum of
$5,000 and the fifth, JG 5, of date the 19th February, 1887, for the sum of
!§4,406.49. These cheques represent the proceeds of the five notes mentioned
lin the memo, exhibit HJB 2.

Q. Are you not aware that Mr. Beemer never handled these cheques nor
never saw the actual cash proceeds of the cheques ? — A. I am not aware.

Q. Are you not aware that the proceeds of the cheques were credited in
your books to Mr. Beemer to recoup a certain charge that has been made
against him for election purposes ? — A. I am not.

Q. Are you aware that the proceeds of these cheques went into the
general election fund of 1887 ? — A. I am not.

Q. Is there any entry in the books of Ross & Company which indicates
that any money had been contributed to the general election fund of 1887 ? —
A. There is not.

Q. Are you aware that any sum of money or have you reason to believe
jthat any sum of money was contributed either through Ross & Company or
■through Beemer to the general election fund of 1887 ? — A. I am not aware of
j any such matter.

Q. I ask you, have you any reason to believe that any sum was so contri-
buted ? — A. I have no reason to believe it. I do not see what I have to do
jwith Beemer anywhere in that connection.

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Q. You have to answer the question that I put to you. that is all? — J
Certainly, I am aware of that, sir.

Q. You say that you have no reason to believe ; now, have you be(j
informed by the Honourable James G. Ross or by any other person that sucf
was the case ? — A. No.

Q. Do vou know by whom these cheques were presented at the bank ?-j
A. No.

Q. Were they presented by you ? — A. I think not.

Q. In whose handwriting are they drawn ? — A. There is one in mine ; j
think exhibit JG 5 is altogether in my handwriting, exhibit JG 4 is by Mj
Eoss, himself, JG 1 is by Mr. Ross, himself, with the exception of the date ari
number, which is in my handwriting, exhibits JG 2 and JG 3 are written li
me but signed by Mr. Ross.

Q. Now, were those cheques sent to the bank by some person in tlj
employment of Ross & Company ? — A. I cannot say.

Q, Have you any reason to believe they were ? — A. I have not. .

Q. Mr. Geggie, I presume you made stubs of these cheques ? — A. Yd

Q. Have you got them here ? — A. I have not.

Q. "Well, you must bring them here if you do not know any more abo
them than that. Do you know whether the name of any politician is on tl!
stubs of these cheques ? — A. On two of the cheques; the one for $4,750>
and the one for $5,250.00. The letters A. P. C. are on the stubs of these to!
cheques.

Q. What do the letters A. P. C. mean ? — A. I presume they mean A. J
Caron.

Q. Yet you swear you have no reason to believe they went to the electit;
fund ? — A. I do not, think I swore that ; I swear that I could not tell froj
the initials. If Mr. Ross put A.P.C. as he did on these cheques, that is not j
tell me that they went to a political fund at all.

Q. Mr. Geggie, you say that on two of these stubs the letters A. P. i
appeared? — A. Yes.

Q. The stubs of which cheques were these ? — A. The stubs correspond^
with exhibit JG 2 and JG 3.

Q. Now, do you swear positively that the letters A. P.C. did not appej
on any of the other stubs ? — A. I do.

Q. What did appear on the stubs? — A. Nothing at all, just H.J. Beem;
for notes.

Q. You are acquainted intimately with the account of Ross & Compai
with Beemer? — A. Yes.

Q. Ross & Company made advances to Beemer on progress estimates ?-j
A. Yes.

Q. Are you able to say whether the notes in question are advances up<j
the notes, were in connection with the progress estimates for the railway? — A
They were not.

Q. Was the sole account between Ross and H. J. Beemer, I mean tlj
account as entered in your books, an account to advances on subsidies? — J
No, it is not.

Q. Well, what other account was there? — A. Well, we gave hi
advances when he constructed the waterworks in Quebec. We gave hi
advances on that.

Q. I do not want to go into that ; I mean were there any private account
— A. No. We gave him advances on locomotives, cars, steam shovels, ar

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ngs of that kind, but there was no, private account aside from the construc-
ts account.

Q. To what account of Mr. Beemer did you charge the cheques you now
iduce ? — A. To the account then called No. 2 account.

Q. What account was that? — A. The account for the construction of a
Ttion of the railway. I cannot tell you now because I did not look to see
i\\ it connected. We had a No. 2 account and we began in January,
387, a No. 3 account for another portion of the railway and as the
i'o. 2 account was being worked out by subsidies, these cheques were
liarged in that No. 2 account.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. When you speak of the railway, do you mean the Lake St. John
Railway ? — A. I mean the Lake St. John Railway, sir.

I By Mr. Archibald :

Q. And these cheques were not given as advances upon progress estimates ?
-A. They were not.
Q. Then, unless Mr. Beemer actually got the proceeds of these cheques in
ash, there was no consideration for his notes given to him ? — A. There was
i0 consideration given to him if he did not get the cash.

Q. That is to say, you got his promissory notes for a matter outside of
•rogress estimates ? — A. Yes.

Q. And outside of your contract for advances to him ? — A. Yes.
Q. And you granted the cheques which you have produced as the pro-
ds of these promissory notes? — A. Yes.
Q. Then, if Mr. Beemer did not get the actual proceeds of these notes, you
Qust have used them for some other purpose ? — A. We must.

Q. Not if he did not get the actual proceeds ; there was no consideration
them on his part ? — A. To him, no.

Q. Now, have you any doubt in your mind that the proceeds of these
heques went to the election fund of 1887 ? — A. It may have gone that way.
Q. It may have ? — A. It may have gone that way.

Q. Have you not a moral certainty that it did go that way ? — A. My

owledge regarding these notes is this : Mr. Ross gave me the notes and said,

•' I have agreed to discount these notes for Beemer, and when he comes you

an give him the money." Mr. Beemer came over, or he sent over, I cannot

member which now, but the cheques were given at different times, and I

<lerstood then that it was simply a discount that we were making for Beemer.

Everybody knew that there were elections going on, but I did not know that

Mr. Ross was consenting to give Beemer any money to the extent of $25,000 for

that. I did not know at all.

By Mr. Justice Tait :
Q. From your personal knowledge of the transaction, have you any reason
to believe that the money did go to an election fund ? — A. No.
By Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q.C. :
Q. You may be aware from knowledge you may have acquired within the
last few days ? — A. That is just it.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C. :
Q. Having examined the books and heard all about these transactions, are
j you in a position now to state where the money represented by these cheques

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went ? — A. Since I have heard the evidence that has been given here, I thin
it did go in that way.

By Mr. Pentland. Q. C. :

Q. But not from anything you find in your books ? — A. So far as the bool
are concerned, it appears to be a discount transaction for Beemer ; that is t|
way our books appear.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. Can you in any way, from your books, account for the application I
that money otherwise than that it did go towards the general election fund ?J
A. No, I cannot ; there is nothing in the books.

By Mr. Archibald, Q. C. :

Q. Have you heard the evidence of Mr. Beemer, or have you seen it ?-
A. I have.

Q. Taking the two in connection, is there any doubt remaining in yor
mind that this is the same money to which he referred yesterday as given ti
election purposes ? — A. It may be the same money. He may have got monJ
from other parties, I cannot tell you.

Q. What section of railway did account No. 2 refer to ? — A. I do not knoi

Q. Did it rtfer to a certain section of the Quebec and Lake St John Ral
way ? — A. Yes.

Q. Concerning which subsidies have been transferred to Ross & Company
—A. Yes.

By Mr. Justice Tait :
Q. It is the same in regard to No. 3 account? — A. Yes, the same will
regard to that. The account was a very large account with Beemer and itw,j
as much for our own convenience as anything else that we divided it in
Nos. 1, 2 and 3.

By Mr. Archibald, Q. C. :

Q. Then, are there no entries whatever in the books of account of Ross j
Company that can give any further explanation of what was done with tl|
proceeds of these cheques that you have produced ? — A. There is not.

Q. Mr. Geggie, as transferree of the subsidies granted to the Quebec an
Lake St. John Railway, how did the different subsidies come into your po
session ? — A. The money from the Dominion subsidies was usually paid totl
Quebec Bank in Ottawa, and the Quebec Bank here transferred it to Ross I
Company's account. I think it was invariably that way.

Q. Simply transferred? — A. Simply transferred. We got the notari
transfers and we would send it to Mr. Noel, of the Quebec Bank, Ottawa, an<
as the subsidies became due, he collected the amount and transferred it froi
the Quebec Bank there to the Quebec Bank here, so that we actually nev
saw the money.

By Mr. Justice Tait :
Q. If ;was to (ho credit of Ross & Company's account ? — A. Yes, in Oftaw
first and then transferred here.

/;.</ Mr. Archibald, Q. C. :

i>. \Vlmf was to be done with the notes of Beemer which he had give

\<.u in anticipation of these subsidies? — A. Beemer, as a rule, did not give ii

B, bul Ross iV ( 'ompany gave him notes. The monthly estimates would h

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[ought in for $40,000 or $50,000 as the case might be. If we had themoney
time we would get a cheque, but if not, he would get a note. When
'hat note became due we paid the note and we have the note.

• l Now, with respect to these particular notes mentioned on memorandum
\hibit HJB 2, how were they paid? — A. They were paid by Beemer.

«Q. By Beemer's own cheques ? — A. Yes.
Q. Not be credit on subsidies you had received ? — A. No, sir.
Q. You are sure of that? — A. I am quite sure. We can trace out the pay-
! of these notes through our No. 2 account. The notes were renewed several
limes, as he could not pay them on maturity, and we can trace out the payment
;ich individual note.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzpatrick, of Counsel for Sir Adolphe P.

Caron :

Q. Referring to the last part of your examination first, are you in a posi-
ion to say absolutely that all of Beemer's notes that were given to Mr. Ross,
jhree on the third of February, 1887, and two on the 18th of the same month,
vere paid directly by Beemer, out of his own moneys, without reference to
he subsidies which had been transferred to you at all? — A. I am prepared to
that they were paid by Beemer out of his money.
I. Now, were they paid in any way by Ross & Company out of the sub-
lies that were transferred to Ross & Company by the Federal Government?
—A. They were not.

Q. Does this memorandum, exhibit HJB 2, show how each of these
iotes were disposed of at maturity ? — A. It shows how they were paid by
Beemer.

Q. Without reference to your subsidy account at all? — A. Without re-
. ence to the subsidies at all

Q. Mr. Ross, of whom you have spoken, was a very wealthy man, was he
not? — A. He was.

Q. He was a Senator of the Dominion of Canada ? — A. Yes.
Q. He was a strong and you may say a violent conservative ? — A. I
nkl not say that, but he was a strong conservative.
Q. He was very active in his tory tendencies ? — A. Yes.
Q. He was a candidate in Quebec Centre on two different occasions ? — A.
Yes.

Q. Would you mind telling us what his political experience cost him as
onservative candidate ?
Counsel for the Crown objects to the question as irrelevant.
Mr. Fitzpatrick states that he wishes to show that Mr. Ross was ever
ady with his money to serve his political party and he could show that he
tit $40,000 on one election ; he would, however, withdraw the question.
Question withdrawn.

Q. Do you know that, as a candidate or as a partisan of the Government,
a large amount of money has been expended by Mr. Ross ? — A. As a candi-
date, he expended a very large amount.

By Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C. :

Q. But as a conservative ? — A. As a conservative he always helped the
party.

By Mr. Fitzpatrick, Q. C. :

Q. Both with influence and monev? — A. Yes.

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Q. As far as your knowledge goes, when did Mr. Ross begin to take g)
active interest in politics as a conservative ? — A. He has taken an active i:
terest ever since I can remember. I know when the National Policy wJ
brought up he was very active in getting it in force.

Q. Now, in 1874, he was a candidate in Quebec Centre as a conservative!
— A. He was a candidate against Cauchon.

Q. He then ran as a conservative, did he not ? — A. He did.

Q. You said he was a strong supporter of the National Policy. Did 1]
show interest in the National Policy by showing himself, by offering himse
as a candidate again in 1878 for Quebec Centre ? — A. Yes.

Q. He was also a strong personal friend of Sir Adolphe Caron ? — A. He wa|

Q. And they had been friends for a great many years ? — A. Yes, and ;
friend of his father, too, Governor Caron.

Q. And on many and many occasions Sir Adolphe Caron has had financijj
relations with Mr. Ross ? — A. He has had on some occasions.

Q. They were of a commercial character ? — A. Yes.

Q. As far as your knowledge of these transactions goes you find that tn
notes mentioned in exhibit HJB 2 were discounted by Messrs. Ross & Con!
pany and that when the notes matured they were paid to Ross & Companj
directly by Beemer without reference to the subsidies at all ? — A. Yes.

Q. And that in connection with these notes the cheques which yd
produce this morning were given ? — A. Yes.

Q. How the proceeds of these notes went you know nothing personall;
except so far as you have been able to gather from the information take
from the books or what you have heard from the different witnesses examine
here ? — A. No.

Q. This transaction, as far as Mr. Ross giving the cheques is concerned
was given personally, and you do not know anything of the matter at all ?-
A. I do not know anything of the matter.

Q. You spoke of the initials AP C being put on the stubs of two c
these cheques ; these initials were put on by Mr. Ross ? — A. Yes.

Q. It is a surmise on your part as to what the initials A P C mean ?-
A. Yes.

Q. Do you know of any bargain or agreement that has ever existed thr
these cheques or any portion of them were to be charged to any subsid
account ? — A. No, I do not.

Q. You do not know that, so far as your knowledge goes and the kno^
ledge of Mr. Ross's affairs are concerned, that these cheques were ever givei
with the expectation of obtaining any increased subsidies for the Lake St. Joh
Railway ? — A. No.

Q. The account in which you say these cheques are charged shows th
payment of the money to Beemer and the receipt of the money from Beemei'i
— A. It does.

Q. Et is an entry complete in itself, the payment out of $25,000 and th
receipt from Beemer of $25,000 ?-— A. Yes.

Q. The accounts were kept in the form you have indicated : Nos. 1, il
and 8 .-imply for convenience ? — A. Yes.

Q. You kept no separate account for the construction of the Lake Si
John Railway, ae different from any other advances which you made
Beemer ? — A. No, I did not.

Q. The whole account, as far as Beemer is concerned, is a general accoun
for the transactions which Ross & Company had with him ?— A. Yes.

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Q. Beemer has received advances from Ross & Company for the
jonstruction of the Quebec, Montmorency & Charlevoix Railway ? — A. Yes.

Q. He has also received advances in connection with the Roberval Mill
:md Limits ? — A. Yes.

Q. All these advances are in the same accounts ? — A. There are separate
•iccounts for that.

( I But in these Kos. 1, 2 and 3 accounts ? — A. Not at all. One, two and
:hree accounts were the Lake St. John Railway accounts.

Q. Has Beemer, to your knowledge, different sources of revenue ; do you
Icnow that he is interested in the Quebec, Montmorency & Charlevoix ? — A.

Q. And the Roberval Mill ?— A. Yes.

Q- And the Roberval Hotel ?— A. Yes.

Q. And necessarily he must have been receiving money from these sour-
ces in 1887 and following years ? — A. He must have.

Q. The subsidies which, so far as your books are concerned and so far as
jyour knowledge of the transactions with Beemer and Ross & Company are
concerned, were all applied to the progress estimates for which you made
advances for the construction of the railway ? — A. The subsidies were applied
to pay all the advances we gave Beemer on any of the progress estimates.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C :

Q. You did not keep any separate account relating to different classes of
subsidies, did you ? — A. We did not.

Q. They are all together ? — A. All together.

And further deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, one of the official stenographers for the House of
Commons of Canada, sworn stenographer in this cause, do declare, on the
oath I have taken, that the above is a faithful transcript of the evidence of the
above named witness, taken by me by means of stenography.

Quebec, 4th October, 1892.

Ernest Frederick Wurtele, Book-keeper for H. J. Beemer, being duly
sworn, deposed : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C, Counsel for the Croicn :

Q. Mr. Wurtele, will you please look at the cheques, exhibits JG 1, JG
2, JG 3, JG 4 and JG*5, and say whether the proceeds of these cheques ever
went to Mr. Beemer ? — A. I do not know, sir, I never saw the cheques before.

Q. You never saw the cheques before ? — A. No, sir, I never saw these
cheques.

Q. What position do you occupy in the employ of Mr. Beemer? — A. I
have occupied two or three different positions, I have been accountant since
1885 or 1886.

Q. "What position did you occupy at the date of the cheques ? — A. I was
in Mr. Beemer' s employ as accountant.

Q. Then, as accountant, you would know what entries were made in the
books ? — A. Yes, sir, in Quebec.

Q. Are there any entries in the books showing payment of these cheques ?
— A. Not in my books.

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Q. That is, the books of Mr. Beemer which you keep ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. That is, all the books that are in Quebec ? — A. Yes.

Q Referring to the business in Quebec ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Among other things, referring to the business of the construction c
the Lake St. John Railway ?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. So you are able to say that the cash proceeds of these cheques did no
go through your books? — A. They did not, sir.

Q. You are aware that these cheques represent the proceeds of the no
of which Mr. Beemer spoke in his examination ? — A. Well, from the eviden
I have seen, I believe they are the proceeds of the notes which I was advise
had been issued, but that they are so, I am not positive.

Q. Have you any doubt that the proceeds of these cheques constitute tb
sum which the Honourable Mr. McGreevy spoke of as having been paid b;
Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I am not aware that they were.

Q. Have you any doubts about it ? — A. I do not know anything abou
it at all, I do not know whether they are or are not.

d Q. All you know is, that they did not go through your books or in
Mr. Beemer's account ? — A. No, sir, they did not.

The witness was not cross-examined.

And further deponent saith not

I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, of the House of Commons, d
hereby certify the foregoing deposition to be a true and faithful reproductio:
of my stenographic notes.

Quebec, 4th October, 1892.

A. R. McDonald, Superintendent of the Intercolonial Railway, bein
duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Bisaillon, Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Mr. McDonald, you were one of the promoters of the TemiscouataJ
Railway Company, were you not ? — A. I was.

Q. You were the first promoter? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You organized the company yourself, did you not ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Will you state when this company was organized by you ? — A. I think
it was in December, 1885, or January, lo86, I am not quite sure.

Q. Who were the first directors of this company ? — A. P. E. Grandbois,]
member of parliament for the county of Temiscouata, in the House of Com-
mons ; George II. Dechesne, ex-member for the county <5f Temiscouata, in the
Quebec Legislature ; D. Rossignol, M.D., Fraserville ; Charles Bertrand,

ert; William McCarthy and Rodger Ryan, both of Ottawa; J. Israel!
Tarte and I lector Cameron.

Q. Was J. J. McDonald not a director? — A. No. J. J. McDonald was
not ;i director.

Q. Bow w&s this company incorporated, was it by act of parliament, or;
by letters patent?— A. Letters patent.

Q. Before the company got its letters patent, was there any subsidies!

d in favour of the railway between River du Loup and Edmundston ? — A.
Fes, there h i

Q. WTiatwas this subsidy?— A. If I recollect well, it was $6,000 per j
mile ; however, I am nut sure. I know the first subsidy was $3,200 per mile,]

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ind there was a subsequent subsidy voted of $2,800 ; I am not sure if it was
/oted before we were incorporated or not, but my impression is, the subsidy
,vas voted.

Q. It was in favour of the company to be organized ? — A. Yes, to build
he railway between Edmundston and Fraserville.

Q. And subsequent to this there was another subsidy voted by parlia-
ment?—A. Of $498,000; that is $6,000 per mile. That'is the one I have
erred to. *

Q. A nd by the same act that granted these subsidies, power was given
organize a company that would be incorporated by letters patent ? — A.
s.

Q. And it is according to this act that your company was so incor-
rated by letters patent ? — A. There was an act passed subsequent to this
1887, incorporating us and granting powers to the Temiscouata Railway.

Q. That is confirming the powers given by letters patent ? — A. Yes.

Q. The company was organized by you, under this act of 1887, was it
? — A. Xo, it was organized before that.
jj Q. What was the capital of the company? — A. Five hundred thousand
lollars, but it was raised afterwards to one million dollars. ($1,000,000.)

Q. When ? — A. I do not recollect, but I think it was in 1887 or 1888.

Q. You were not authorized by the act of parliament of 1887, to raise it
to that? — A. Well, it was in 1888 ; I am not sure. I know we were authorized
to increase our capital.

Q. By subsequent act ? — A. Yes.

Q. What were the shares of the company ? — A. One hundred dollars.

Q. Were all the shares subscribed, to the amount, $500,000, when the
act of 1887 was passed?- — A. No, there were only $125,000 subscribed ; that
was the amount required by the act. •

Q. Well, Mr. McDonald, you were ordered by subpoena to bring with you
all agreements, correspondence, papers, vouchers or documents of any kind
relating to the sale to J. J. McDonald of the interest in the Temiscouata Rail-
way, or to the payments for construction thereof, and the contributions,
by any person financially interested in the subsidies to said railway, for election
purposes, to aid in the election to the House of Commons of Sir A. P. Caron,
or other members or supporters of the Government of which he was a
member ; have you got any of the books or papers herein mentioned ? — A. Xo.
Not being president of the company now, I have nothing to do with it.

Q. You are not president now ? — A. No.

Q. Who is now the president? — A. J. J. McDonald.

Q. Have you anything at present to do with this company ? — A. Yes.

Q. What is your relation to the company ? — A. Shareholder.

Q. You are not a director of it now ? — A. ~No, sir.

Q. You have been president of this company ? — A. Yes, for three or four
wars.

Q. During what dates? — A. From December, 1885, or January, 1886,
until December, 1889, or January, 1890, I am not sure.

Q. Is it during this period that the stock of the company was subscribed ?
— A. One hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars were subscribed in
January, 1886.

Q. And none afterwards? — A. There may be some after I left as presi-
dent.

Q. Were calls made for the payment of the stock ? — A. ISTo.

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Q. Not any ?— A. No.

Q. Do you mean to say that the stock was never paid ? — A. I do n
mean to say that. It may have been done after I left.

Q. But while you were there ? — A. I do not remember when any c
was made.

Q. Can you state who were the shareholders of the company at the tim
you left the presidency ? — A. The same parties that I have mentioned ahead

Q. All the shares were centered in the hands of these people? — A. Y«

Q. Will you take communication of exhibit L J 103, and state wheth
the letter contained in this exhibit dated, 17th March, 1888, has been signe
by you ? — A. Yes, that is my signature.

Q. Accompanying this letter there is a list of original shareholders, an
present shareholders, 17th March, 1888 ; will you state whether this list is
true list of the shareholders at the date mentioned in that document?-
A. Yes, sir

Q. Is there any name mentioned in this list that you have not referred
in your previous statement ? — A. No.

Q. Mr. Hamel was one of the original shareholders ? — A. Yes, and J.
McDonald, they were previously directors.

Q. Will you explain why the original shareholders, that are originall
mentioned in this list, have not continued as shareholders afterwards?-
A. J. J. McDonald intended to get the contract for the construction of th
Temiscouata Railway ; that was the reason he would not go on the Board,
do not remember the reason why Mr. Hamel transferred his shares, though
think it was to put in Mr. Threiault, if he is a director.

Q. There was no set reason, except what you just mentioned ? — A. Not
all ; there was no reason, except that J. J. McDonald intended to contract, an
the fact is, I had been in communication with him at the time.

Q. Has Mr. J. J. McDonald become contractor of the road ? — A. Yes, si

Q. When?— A. On the 21st of September, 1886.

Q. Have you got with you the contract that was passed between th
company and J. J. McDonald ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did Mr. McDonald undertake the contract of this road alone ?
A. No, it was McDonald & Boswell.

Q. Who was Boswell, a contractor? — A. He was in a Brewery, I thi
in Toronto. He was a clerk in a brewery.

Q. And what was Mr. J. J. McDonald doing at that time? — A. He w;
not doing anything at that time, I think, but he was a railway contractor.

Q. Did he contract for any railway before ? — A. Oh, yes, on the Inter
lonial Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway.

Q. Will you file the contract between J. J. McDonald and the Temi
couata Railway ? — A. Yes.

( ontract filed as exhibit ARM 1.

Q. [a this Mr. E. D. Boswell, mentioned here, the present secretary o
the company 1 — A. Yes, sir.

<2. According to this contract, exhibit ARM 1, the company transferre

I' -is. McDonald & Boswell all the subsidies obtained up to that date, an
the future subsidies thai would be granted by the Dominion Government, th|
Provincial Government of Quebec, the Provincial Government of New Brunst
wick and the Municipalities? — A. Yes, sir.

<l. Was there any list of prices accompanying this contract, in order U

Wish the progress --timates of the road, in view of obtaining the subsidies;

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Ecio-ar versus Caron.

— A. You have the contract there and if it does not tell it there was not.
There was nothing else but what was mentioned in that contract.

Q. After this contract was passed, did Messrs. McDonald & JJoswell,
through the company, get any subsidies from the Dominion Government ? —
A. Of course, they got their subsidies.

Q. Will you state what was the amount ? — A. I cannot say, I do not
remember. They got all the subsidies that the company was entitled to.

Q. Were there any further subsidies voted after 21st September, 1886 ?
— A. Yes, there was.

Q. Was it for a new line, or for the line in question in this contract ? —
A. No, for a branch.

Q. What branch was it? — A. The St. Francis branch.

Q. What was the length of this branch ? — A. 20 miles.

Q. And what was the subsidy ? — A. Well, I am not sure; I had nothing
to do with it.

Q. It was the subsidy voted by 51 Victoria, of $100,000 for 20 miles of a
branch of railway from Edmundston towards the river St. Francis in the year
1888 ?— A. It must be that.

Q. Did you go with any deputation to Ottawa for* the purpose of getting
this subsidy? — A. No, sir.

Q. Can you state how it was granted or on what representations ? — A.
Well, on the representations of the contractors, I suppose, and Mr. Hector
Cameron, their agent, who was also a director of the company.

Q. Did you make any request yourself? — A. I do not remember at all
having made any request.

Q. You do not remember whether you wrote to any of the ministers,
principally to Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I might have written as president, but
not otherwise.

Q. Can you recollect whether you had written to Sir A. P. Caron ? — A.
I never wrote to him.

Q. You never saw him about it ? — A. I never saw him about it.

Q. You had never cause to go and see him ? — A. Never.

Q. Nor to send any one? — A. Well, Dr. Grandbois, who is a member for
the county of Temiscouata, must have been one of those who made represen-
tations and who was interested in this matter.

Q. Did you urge Dr. Grandbois to work on Sir A. P. Caron for the
obtaining of the subsidy? — A. Oh, not specially Sir A. P. Caron. If I asked
him to work to that effect, it was not to see Sir A. P. Caron, but to see the
Government.

Q. Do you know who was the minister or the ministers for the province
of Quebec who were the most interested in .this road ; that is, the one who
seemed to show the greatest interest for the company? — A. Well, Sir John
Macdonald and Sir Hector Langevin seemed to. I think specially Sir John
Macdonald,.

Q. Are you aware that any deputation was organized and sent to Ottawa
in the interest of the company ? — A. I do not remember.

Q. Now, there was another subsidy granted by 53 Victoria, 1890 ; that is
to say, for $51,200, for a further distance of 16 miles. Had you anything to do
with this subsidy ? — A. Nothing at all.

Q. You did not take any interest in it ? — A. No interest at all.

Q. You did not see any one in connection with it? — A. No one what-
ever.

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Q. Was this subsidy granted at the request and solicitation of Mr. J. J.j
McDonald and Mr. Bo swell ? — A. I presume so, but I am not sure.

Q. I see by the contract above mentioned, exhibit ARMI, that
McDonald and Boswell were authorized to assign these subsidies or part of them a
is it to your knowledge whether they have assigned any part of these sub-i
sidies to any person ? — A. No. I do not recollect.

C . It is further stated in the contract that the directors of the said com-
pany will, from time to time, make and issue to the said contractors, as paid
up stock in the said company for which said contractors so subscribed for,
when said company shall permit to be assigned to the said contractors, or
their assigns, shares of stock in the said company to the amount of $491,000,
and which shall be laid aside or transferred to the said contractors, as shares
or capital stock paid in full, from time to time, as the work progressed, and in
the same proportion as the subsidy of the Dominion Government is payable to
the contractors as hereinbefore provided. Will you explain what is the mean-
ing of this clause ; it is not quite clear? — A. It explains itself.

Q. Do you mean to say that the company was bound to transfer stock
that had been paid for? — A. Yes.

Q. I understood from you that there was no stock paid up by any of the
shareholders ? — A. No, I did not say that. The stock was to be all paid up
and transferred to the contractors, but I do not believe that the stock was
transferred ; I do not remember'; it may have been done after my time.

Q. You do not know whether that has been done? — A. I am not sure;
part of the stock may have been done while I was there, but I do not
remember.

Q. Was there any part of the stock transferred while you were there ? —
A. I am not sure. There may be.

Q. Can you not recollect ? — A. No ; I could if I had the books.

Q. This transfer appears in the books ? — A. You can find that out from
the president of the road if he brings the books.

Q. Well, if such stock has been transferred, are you ready to say that the
stock had been paid up ? — A. No, I am not.

Q. Do you know it ? — A. No.

Q. You yourself are a shareholder ; did you pay for any stock since you
were in this company ? — A Yes ; I paid ten per cent, on the first stock that I
subscribed for.

Q. You never paid anything since ? — A. No, but some others may have
paid for me.

1 1. Are you aware that a call has been made ? — A. No ; no call has been
made.

1 1 Von are sure of that? — A. Well, while I was there there was none
made ; there may have been since.

<.>. But you were still a shareholder? — A. Yes.

Q, You did not receive any notice calling for payments ? — A. .No.

Q, According to the charter, the directors of the company were
authorized to issue bonds? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Will you Btate to what amount? — A. Well, at first, they were
authorized to issue 35,000 per mile, and, after, it was altered, and we were
authorized to issue $20,000 permile. No ; I am mistaken there. According
to the charter, we could issue $20,000 a mile, but we only issued $5,000 a
mile a1 first, and afterwards we changed that and issued $20,000 a mile.

<>. Over the 35,000 ?— A. No, including the $5,000.

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Q. You did not negotiate the first bonds? — A. No, they were withdrawn,
and we issued $20,000 a mile.

Q. These bonds were transferred to the contractors ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you know whether they were negotiated? — A. I suppose they
were

Q. That is the $20,000 a mile ?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Can you state what was the total assets of the company? — A. There
was *6,000 a mile voted by the Dominion Government for 83 miles, there
was S3, 50 voted by the Quebec Government for 69 miles, and there was
$3,000 per mile voted by the New Brunswick Government for 12 miles;
there was ten thousand acres of land, converted into 70 cents an acre, of
which 35 cents were to be paid cash. That has not been settled yet. There
were $25,000 voted by Fraserville town, and the capital stock was increased
to a million dollars.

Q. Did the whole of this go to the contractors ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Don't you think they are making an error about the subsidies from
the Government of New Brunswick ; I have here a letter filed before the
Commission as exhibit LJ 91, purporting to be a letter from J. J. McDonald
and stating that the subsidy from the Provincial Government of New Bruns-
wick was $3,200 per mile ? — A. Well, he is mistaken in the matter. My
recollection of the matter is that it was only $3,000 per mile.

Q. Now, Mr. McDonald, you have said that you had no dealings with
Sir A. P. Caron in this matter ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Not in the interest of the railway? — A. No, sir.

Q. To your knowledge, did the Temiscouata subscribe any amount for the
election of Sir A. P. Caron or any other supporters of the Dominion Govern-
ment in this district ? — A. I am positive that the company never did such a
thing, at least when I was president.

Q. Are you ready to swear that any of the past members or directors did
not subscribe anything ? — A. Well, they will answer ior themselves about that.

Q. But you do not know, yourself? — A. No.

Q. Are you aware that the company, directly or indirectly, has been
asked, while you were the manager of it, to contribute for election purposes in
1887 ?— A. I am not.

Q. Was there to your knowledge any understanding between the company
or any of its members and the contractors, that they would be obliged or
invited to subscribe for election purposes in the event of obtaining any of the
federal subsidies ? — A. There was no such thing.

Q. There was no conversation between you, or to your knowledge, with
any of the contractors to that effect? — A. No, sir.

Q. You are positive of that ? — A. I am.

Q. After the passing of the contract of 21st September, 1886, had the
company any financial dealings of any kind ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Has the company kept any books ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did you deposit with the Government any money when you got your
letters patent ? — A. Yes, we subscribed the stock. We had to deposit ten
per cent, of the stock that was subscribed, and we deposited $12,500.00.

Q. Is that the only financial dealings you had ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q, Did you get back this $12,500? — A. It went back to those who sup-
plied the money.

Q. Who supplied the money, do you know ? — A. Is there any necessity
of saying.

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Q. Yes, there is ? — A. The contractors, Messrs. McDonald & Boswell, fur
nished the money.

Q. And are you sure that they got their money back ? — A. Yes.

Q. So the company never had a dollar and never spent a dollar ? — A. No

By Mr. Archibald, Q. C:

Q. That money was raised on promissory notes or something of that sort
was it ? — A. I do not know.

By Mr. Justice Tait :

Q. You do not know how th e contractors raised the money ? — A. I canno
say that I remember. I think on a cheque from the directors for $12,500.

Examined by Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C.:

Q. The company merely made this deposit to comply with the act, t(
get incorporated ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. And all the finances of the company are in the hands of the contrac
tors ? — A. Yes, everything was transferred to them.

Q. Is it not a fact that McDonald & Boswell were really the only partie
interested before the company was incorporated ? — A. No, sir it is not. I die
not know Boswell then.

Q. Do you mean to say that all these persons you have mentioned as th^
first directors were interested ? — A. Yes.

Q. They were so only for the transfer of everything to the contractors—
they have no more interest, have they ? — A. Some of them are still directors
they have got $1,000, which qualifies them as directors.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q. C, Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Was the company formed for the express purposes of contracting witl
McDonald & Boswell ? — A. No ; I intended to contract with them, but it wai
sure that I would, but at least the company did nothing — the fact is, I was ii
communication with some others.

Q. With whom ? — Well, Mr. Beemer and Mr. Shanly, and some other
in Montreal.

The examination of the witness was suspended for the present.

Quebec, 27th October, 1892.
A. R. McDonald, Superintendent of the Intercolonial Railway.
The examination of the above named witness was resumed.

Examined by Mr. Bisaillon, Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. McDonald, you have already been examined on this commission
— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Mr. J. J. McDonald was examined yesterday, and referred to a certaii
agreement between you and himself, in addition to the contract between tht
Temi8cou;il;i Company and the contractors, which you have already filed
this, use Will you explain the nature of this agreement ? — A. Well, it is
private agreement. Am I obliged to state what it is? It has nothing to dej
willi Sir Adolphe Caron or this investigation.

Q. Was there any political interest in this agreement? — A. No, sir,

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'r>

Q. Will you explain what is the nature of this agreement ? — A. It related
the construction of the Temiscouata Railway.

Q. Was Sir Adolphe Caron aware of any of the conditions of this agree-
ient? — A. No, sir.

Q. Was there in this agreement any political interest for Sir Adolphe Caron
or any members supporting the Government of which he was a member? — A.
No, sir.

Q. Will you tell me, Mr. McDonald, whether at the time of the contract
between the Temiscouata Company and Messrs McDonald & Boswell it was
stipulated that any sum of money or valuable consideration should be given by
Mr. McDonald and Boswell to promote the election of Sir Adolphe Caron or
any other members, supporters of the Government of which he was a member ?
— A. No, sir.

Q There was no mention of it at the time ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Were the negotiations for the contract made chiefly by you with Mr.
J. J. McDonald?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Will you say whether, when this contract was passed, it was under-
stood in any way by you and Messrs. McDonald & Boswell that any of the
considerations mentioned in this contract should go for political purposes to
promote the election of Sir Adolphe Caron or any other members supporting
the Government of which he was a member? — A. No.

Q. There was no mention of it ? — A. No.

Q. There was no discussion about that when the contract was passed ? —
A. No, sir, no such thing was mentioned.

Q. Have you any explanation to offer, Mr. McDonald, in reference to that
private agreement with Mr. J. J. McDonald that you have mentioned ? — A.
I see by the newspapers that Mr. J. J. McDonald said that I wanted to get
the whole amount of the $25,000 from the Fraserville municipality. I must
say that I do not know what he has done with it. He said he used it for
political purposes. I must say that I do not know if he kept it or used it, as
I would never get any statement of account from him. I just mentioned this
because I supposed there was no necessity for him to say what he did. He
was not asked for that and that is the reason I mention this.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer in this case, do depose
and say, under the oath I have already taken, that the above is a true and
faithful transcript of the shorthand notes of the evidence of the above named
witness.

Paul Etienne Grandbois, Esq., member of Parliament for the County of
Temiscouata, being duly sworn, deposed as follows : —

Examined by Mr. Bissaillon, Q.C.:

Q. You are at present a member of Parliament for the County of Temis-
couata— for how long have you represented that constituency ? — A. Since
1878.

Q. Have you taken an interest in the railway, in the Temiscouata Bail-
way running between Biviere du Loup and Edmundston, and have you done
anything in connection with that railway ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You are one of the promoters of the company organized for the con-
struction of such railway ? — A. Yes, I was one.

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Q. Are you a member of the company? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you a shareholder ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you a director of it ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you still a director of the company ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You have been a director, I presume, since the formation of the com
pany? — A. Yes.

Q. The Temiscouata Railway Company made a contract with Messrs
McDonald & Boswell for the construction of that road? — A. Yes.

Q. And by that contract they transferred all subsidies and bonds an
assets generally, to Messrs. McDonald & Boswell ? — A. Yes.

Q. Since this contract was passed between the company and Messrs
McDonald & Boswell, has your company had any meeting ? — A. Yes, th
company has annual meetings.

Q. Annual meetings, that is all? — A. Yes.

Q Merely annual meetings? — A. Yes.

Q. For the purpose of electing directors, I suppose? — A. Electing
directors and rendering accounts.

Q. As a matter of fact, has the company any account ? — A. Well, I thin
they have.

Q. What are those accounts composed of? — A. At the annual meeting
they generally declare what is done during the year, if they have constructe
any hew branch, or progressed any branch they set for, they have bought, o
what they have paid for, and if they dispose of their bonds, they reported

Q. But the company has had no financial dealings since this contract wa
made with McDonald & Boswell ? — A. The company had no othe
financial dealings than what the directors had.

Q. In your political capacity as a member for the county of Temiscouata
did you have any relation with any minister of the crown for the purpose o
getting subsidies in favour of the company ? — A. Certainly.

Q. Did you organize or head any deputation to see ministers?- -A. Wei
as far as deputations go, I think wre might have organized one ; but
frequently saw the ministers, particularly those of the province of Quebec, an<
the Prime Minister at the time, and I did what I could to impress them w;r
the great advantage it would be to the country in general to have t
railway built.

Q. From whom did you receive your instructions to act in this way ?
A. Well, I was representing the county through which the greater portio
tin' railway traversed, and I thought it was my duty to do that.

< I Did you have any conversation with Messrs. McDonald & Bosw
for the purpose of getting subsidies from the Federal Government? — A
think al the time that the subsidies were first granted it was not a questio
Messrs. McDonald & Boswell more than anybody else. The company
organized by ourselves, Mr. A. P. McDonald, Mr. Dechesne, the local me:
ber, and the leading citizens of Riviere du Loup and in the county, w
working that scheme; at that time it was not a question of any contractor
particular; the first question was to get subsidies at all, and the main po'
i a railway to Riviere du Loup, instead of to Riviere Ouelle, t"
is, to have I he terminus at Riviere du Loup instead of Riviere Ouelle.

( ). Bad the company its charter at the time ? — A. Yes, I think the c
ter was granted f<> any company that would undertake the construction o
the railway — that is, the subsidies were granted ; and in the same statute o
perhaps in a session later, it was provided by letters patent that such partie

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Iwould form a provisional board of directors. Of course, it is a long time DOW,
land I do not remember these facts very well.

Q. The company, in 1888, got a subsidy from the Federal Government of
■$100,000 for 20 miles, for a branch railway between Edmundston and River St.
IFrancis? — A. Yes.

Q. Had you anything to do with the granting of this subsidy ? — A. Well,
■of course, I helped to a certain extent, as it was necessary, but I was not the
■first party or the main party to get that subsidy, because the main road was
■then built, and that branch was across another county — that is, the adjoining
■county to mine, the county of Victoria, and naturally the member for Victoria
■impressed upon the Government the necessity of the subsidy for that branch.
■Naturally, I did all I could to help the subsidy being granted.

Q. You state that the main line was built at that time ? — A. I think so.

Q. Did you urge upon the Government, did you get the subsidy pre-
rviously ? — A. Certainly.

Q. After Messrs. McDonald & Boswell had their contract ? — A. Yes.

Q. What minister did you see in reference to these subsidies ? — A. Well,
■I think I saw several ministers that I tried, and I insisted more naturally
■upon the Prime Minister, he was then Sir John A. Macdonald, and then
■upon all the ministers of our province, upon Sir A. P. Caron and Sir Hector

I Langevin, and Mr. Pope, who was then Minister of Railways.

Q. Will you state what were your dealings with Sir A. P. Caron in
■reference to the subsidies, or in connection with the road generally ? — A. Well,

I I as Sir John A. Macdonald was a resident, in summer, of Riviere du Loup, and,
1 1 in that capacity, as an elector of mine, I supposed he would be favourable to
Jlour scheme ; then he was the minister for our province ; naturally, I would go
Bto these ministers before going to other ministers ; it was in that capacity I
■saw them.

Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron head any deputation that obtained such subsidies

I from the Minister of Railways or from the First Minister ? — A. No ; I do not

I I think so.

Q. Has he been with you to see the Minister of Railways and the Prime
■Minister, in order to get subsidies ?— A. I do not think so ; I think, on one
Ijoccasion, if I remember well, we went to see Mr. Pope with Sir A. P. Caron,
fcand I think another member from the province, who I do not remember
i jexactly now ; on that occasion, Sir George Stephen, I remember it was, that

I brought Mr. Pope in the room. Mr. Pope was sick, and we went in to dis-
Kcuss on the subsidies, but principally the merits of Riviere du Loup as the
n main terminus as against Riviere Ouelle ; that is the main occasion on which

II saw Sir A. P. Caron in reference to the railway.

Q. Was there any questions between you and Sir A. P. Caron about the
ijinterest there would be to the party in getting subsidies for this railway? —
AL No, sir.

Q. Did you take part in the negotiations that took place with Messrs. J.
IiJ. McDonald and Boswell previously to entering into the contract of 21st

• September, 1886 ? — A. Well, I do not think in that sense I was a party to the

• icontraet. I was one of the promoters of the road, and being a member for the
licounty, I took as much interest as I could in the question, but as to the
I particulars of the details of the work, I did not pay much attention to them ;

jthat was mainly left to Mr. A. R. McDonald, whom I considered to be a man
|of good experience in railway matters, and all the details went through him.
\ Of course, I knew that there were two or three parties anxious to take the
I contract, out all the details were left to Mr. A. R. McDonald.

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Q. Were there other parties who wanted to get the contract ? — A. YesJ
sir.

Q. Do you know whether Messrs. McDonald & Boswell paid any con-
sideration to the company or to Sir A. P. Caron, or to any political organizaJ
tion, by getting the contract ? — A. I am certain they did not.

Q. You are sure of this ? — A. I am sure of that.

Q. There was no conversation to this effect? — A. No, sir.

Q. No understanding in that way, neither ? — A. Not that I know of.

Q Did you have any corespondence with Messrs. McDonald &
Boswell ? — A. No, sir.

Q. None before the'contract nor after ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Now, Mr. Grandbois, you say that you have met Sir A. P. Caron very)
often in the interest of your company. Did you ever mention to Sir A. P. CaronJ
or to any other minister, the interest that there would be for the political part)')
to give subsidies to this company ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever mention to Sir A. P. Caron that it would be in the
interest of the party for the election of the members to the House of Commons,
that such subsidy should be voted ? — A. No, sir.

Q Are you aware, Mr. Grandbois, that the company ever subscribed any
money for the election of Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Or for any election fund or organization ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did you subscribe personally any money out of the moneys belonging
to the company for the election of Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Are you aware that any director or member or members of such com-
pany did subscribe anything for the election of Sir Adolphe P. Caron ? — A.
No, sir.

Q. Did you subscribe or pay over to an election fund or pay over to Sir
A. P. Caron or to any election fund any money ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Are you aware that Messrs. McDonald & Boswell have subscribed
any money to Sir A. P. Caron or to any person for him for election purposes ?
— A. No, sir.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C., objects to this question as not coming within the
reference of the Commission. He contends that the ground on what a som<
what similar question was allowed in the Lake St. John Hallway case was
that the moneys were obtained out of the subsidies or money raised on the
strength of these subsidies by Sir A. P. Caron from the construction compai
or from Beemer. The Commission had allowed the question that Beem<
had subscribed money to the election, because he was specifically named
one of the sources from which the money was obtained. In this case th<
was no allegation that the directors had personally subscribed money.

Mr. Justice Tait. — I mentioned the fact of Beemer' s name being specii
cally mentioned as an additional reason why the question referred to ty
counsel should be allowed, but the main reason in my mind for allowing tl
question was that Beemer had received a transfer of the subsidies. Not
Messrs, McDonald & Boswell are in the same position in that respect
Beemer. They were the transferees of all the assets of the Temiscouat
Railway Company, receiving all the subsidies. Looking at clause 9 of
Edgar's charges, and clause 5 and following of amended charges, I think tl
question should be allowed.

Mb. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — I consider that Messrs. McDonal
v Boswell are in the same position in this matter as Mr. Beemer was. It

they are not mentioned in the Commission, but still it appears from tl

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idence that they were actually the constructing company. They were
ally the company.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — I did not know they were the contractors of the
mpany.

Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — It is proved this morning by the
idence of Mr. A. R. McDonald that they were the contractors, and that all
e subsidies and stock were transferred to them. They were in a somewhat
liar position, if not in the same position as Mr. Beemer was.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — Even admitting that, there is no charge made here
that effect ; and I submit that within the terms of this reference, the ques-
on now put by counsel is not relevant. There is no allegation made that
McDonald & Boswell gave these moneys, * or that Sir A. P. Caron got these
moneys from McDonald & Boswell. Unless we throw aside the reference
altogether and permit evidence outside the reference, I submit that the
question is irrelevant. It is not pertaining to the charge that the company
subscribed money.

Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — We have learned from the evidence
that the subsidies were transferred to the contractors, and that the contractors
to all intents and purposes took the place of the company. I should think
that evidence that can be brought against the company can, under the circum-
stances, be brought against the contractors.

Mr. Justice Tait, Commissioner. — Of course, we have to trace the sub-
sidies and to find out who received the subsidies ; Messrs. McDonald &
Boswell were, under their contract, to receive the subsidies. I think it is our
duty to find out whether they used, these subsidies for election purposes.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — If your honour rules that, it is simply adding
something to clause 5, outside of the reference.

Mr. Justice Routhier, Commissioner. — There is a clause in the Commis-
sion which goes further than that. Take for instance the 9th. It refers to
I persons interested in the appropriations," because they were to receive them.

Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. — I think that is a very broad construction.
Under that interpretation there would be no necessity for this particular
clause at all. Surely the previous clauses, referring particularly to matters
stated, must cover the latter one.

I Mr. Archibald, Q.C, Counsel for the Crown. — I contend that clauses 9 and
10 referring to the Lake St. John Railway and the Temiscouata Railway should
cover all these points ; but not only were the subsidies conveyed to McDonald
& Boswell, but the whole assets of the road as well. They became actually
the company, and it seems to me that we have to inquire into their affairs in
connection with this matter, because McDonald & Boswell were the company.

Objection overruled, and answer allowed to remain in the record.

Examination by Mr. Bisaillon continued:

Q. Did Messrs. McDonald & Boswell subscribe for your own election ?
— A. I do not think so, sir.

. Q. You were one of the supporters of Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. Yes.

Q. When you say you do not think so, are you sure of it ? — A. I am
sure they did not subscribe in my hands, anyway. I do not think they did.

Q. Did you know whether Messrs. McDonald & Boswell gave up any
of the bonds transferred to them for election purposes ? — A. I do not think so.

Q. You do not think so ? — A. No.

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Q. The shares of the company were also transferred to Messrs. McDonald I
& Boswell ? — A. I think the contract transferred to them all the interest of I
the company in the road, but of course they had an obligation to construct
the road, instead of the company constructing it.

Q. Are you aware whether money was raised on the credit of any of the!
Federal subsidies and applied to election purposes ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Do you know whether the company, directly or indirectly, or Messrs. I
McDonald & Boswell, subscribed any money in aid of the election of Sir A. I
P. Caron, in 1887 — A. No, sir.

Q. Do you know whether, directly or indirectly, if Messrs. McDonald & I
Boswell subscribed any money to any general election fund in the Province?)
— A. I am not aware of it.

Q. You had no conversation with Messrs. McDonald & Boswell on thel
matter? — A. No.

Q. Never? — A. No, sir.

Q. You had no conversation with Sir A. P. Caron, for the purpose of|
finding means of raising an election fund out of the company's assets ? — A.
Never.

Q. Did you not ask Messrs. McDonald & Boswell to subscribe to any elec-
tion fund ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Neither for yourself nor for the election of other members who are
supporters of Sir A. P. Garon ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Can you state how much stock is now held by the company outside o:
McDonald & Boswell ? — A. No, sir.

Q. You cannot? — A. No.

Q. There is nothing in your books would show that ? — A. I must confess
thatj so far as books are concerned, I did not look into them very frequently.

Q. Mr. Boswell is the present secretary of the company ? — A. Yes.

Q. And who was the president? — A. Mr. J. J. McDonald.

Q. Is it not a fact, to your knowledge, that Messrs. McDonald & Bos-
well held nearly air the stock of the company? — A. Well, I think they did,
and perhaps Mr. Armstrong with them.

Q. What is the name of Mr. Armstrong? — A. I cannot say. #

Q. Who is he ? — A. He is an English millionaire living in England.

Q. In 1890 there was a subsidy given by the Government of $51,200, fo
a further distance of 16 miles. Do you know whether that has been paid
the company? — A. I think so, sir.

Q. Were all these subsidies paid directly into McDonald & Boswell
to the company ? — A. I think they were paid to the contractors, McDon
& Boswell ; I am satisfied they were.

Q. Are you satisfied that all the moneys that have been voted by t
Federal Government have been employed in the road, to the best of yo
knowledge? — A. Well, if I believe the contractors, not only that money, b
much of their own money has been.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Counsel for the Grown :

Q. Who is the officer of the company having all the information referrii
to the subsidies and payment of the subsidies ?— A. The secretary of tl
company and the president of the company, I should think.

Q. Do you know where they are at present? — A. I hear Mr. J.
McDonald is in Montreal. His address, I believe, is at Dr. Gardner's, on Unioi
avenue. Mr. Boswell is in Toronto, I hear.

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Q. Is he expected here soon ? — A. I do not know ; I presume so.

Q. His domicile is in Riviere du Loup ? — A. Yes.

Q. Where is the domicile of J. J. McDonald ? — A. Riviere du Loup.

Q. Where are the books of the company ? — A. In Riviere du Loup, in the
ce of the company.

Q. When you speak of the books being there, do you mean the contrac-
tors' books, or the books of the company ? — A. All these books.

Q. These books, I suppose, would be, I suppose, in the possession of the
secretary of the company, Mr. Boswell ? — A. Yes, sir.

CROSS-EXAMINED.

Examined by Mr. Ferguson, Q.C. :

Q. You say that you took an interest in this railway, as a memb'er of one
of the constituencies through which it ran ? — A. Yes.

Q. That is why you became connected with the railway ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. I presume, for the purpose of getting the railway through that part of
the country ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. And in your capacity as member, and being interested in that section
of the country, you assisted in the granting of these subsidies from time to time,
by the Federal and Local Governments? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Had you any personal interest in the matter ? — A. No, sir.

Q. You said that so far as the practical management of the company was
concerned, you took little share in that ? — A. Yes, sir, I took a little share.

Q. You left the dealing with the contractors and the entering into the
contract wTith Mr. A. R. McDonald, because you said that he had more prac-
tical experience in the matter than you had ? — A. Yes.

Q. Of course, you are aware that a contract was entered into by which
the subsidies and bonuses and bonds were to be given to the contractors in
consideration of building the road ? — A. Yes.

Q. Were they so given ? — A. They were.

Q. Were any portion of the subsidies from the Dominion Government, so
far as you are aware, diverted or appropriated otherwise than for the purpose
for wThich Parliament intended them ? — A. I do not think so, sir.

Q. Were any moneys raised on the credit of these subsidies so diverted ?
— A. No, sir.

Q. Are you aware that any arrangement or understanding was entered
into between the company and Sir A. P. Caron, whereby for the consideration
of the giving of money for election purposes, he agreed to assist in the granting
of these subsidies ? — A. Well, I have always been in the company, and I am
sure there is no such thing.

Q. Are you aware of Sir A. P. Caron having, directly or indirectly, in
any way getting control or possession of any portion of the money raised
from these subsidies, for any purpose whatever ? — A. I am sure — no, sir.

Q Are you aware whether any portion of these moneys, raised on the
strength of the same, were diverted from the purpose for which they were
intended, and appropriated by Parliament, and applied for election purposes ?
— A. I am not aware of that, sir.

Q. You said something about the road having cost more than all the
subsidies and bonds put together ? — A. I said that if I am to believe the
contractors, not only had they not enough money in that, but they had to put
their own money in building the road.

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Q. Besides what they got from the subsidies and the proceeds of the
bonds? — A. Yes.

And further deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, of the House of Commons, do
hereby certify the foregoing depositions to be a true and faithful reproduc-
tion of my stenographic notes.

Quebec, 26th October, 1892.

John J. McDonald, Railway Contractor, Riviere du Loup, being duly
sworn, deposed as follows : —

'Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q. C, of Counsel for the Crown,

Q. I think you are a member of the firm of McDonald & Boswell, are you
not? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You are a railway contractor ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You are acquainted, I presume, with the Temiscouata Railway Com-
pany and with its road ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. When was that company incorporated ? — A. I think it was in 1885r
but I am not positive.

Q. When did you first begin to take an interest in the road ? — A. I think
it was in the fall or summer of 1885.

Q. Was the company then incorporated ? — A. I am not aware ; I cannot
say positively whether it was or not when I was first spoken to about it ; I do
not think it was, but I am not positive.

Q. Had there been any subsidies voted for it at the time you interested
yourself in it? — A. A subsidy of $6,000 per mile for the main line was voted

Q. There is in 1882 a subsidy of $240,000— is that the subsidy y
refer to ? — A. I do not know what the date of it was.

Q. There is a total subsidy of $498,000 voted, was that it?— A. Tha
would be it.

Q. These subsidies would be granted before you were interested in it
all ? — A. That is what I understood.

Q. Were these subsidies granted to the Temiscouata Railway Compan
by name ? — A. I cannot say ; I think the charter was by Order in Council.

Q. As a matter of fact, the charter was granted by Order in Council
the 7th October, 1885, after the subsidies were granted? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, what persons were promoting the building of that road at the ti
you first interested yourself in it ? — A. I cannot say who they all were.

Q. Well, name some of them ? — A. Mr. A. R. McDonald. Superintende
of the Intercolonial Railway, was the first party who spoke to me about it.

Q, Anybody else? — A. I think he was the principal one that spoke
me when we were arranging. There was afterwards Dr. Grandbois and M
Tarte and some others. I understood there was an old company that had
charter before that, and the company had fallen through. They had done sora
work clearing, or something that did not amount to a great deal. Iundersto
that before ibis new company was organized.

(v*- But before the new company was organized, these gentlemen you hav
mentioned were speaking to you concerning^? — A. Mr. A. R. McDonald di n
but I cannot say that the others did before we began to organize.

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Edgar versus Caron.

Q. What was the first thing you did when you began to interest yourself
the road? — A. The first thing, as far as I can remember, was to see Mr.
ector Cameron, our solicitor.

Q. But with reference to the road, what did you do first ; did you survey
— A. We surveyed it in the summer of 1886, after the company was
ionized.

Q. It was after the company was organized? — A. Yes ; that is, as far as I
can remember now.

Q. Was there any sum of money necessary to be put up, in order to *'get
this charter of incorporation ? — A. N ot that I am aware of. Oh, yes, there was,
if you mean when the company was organized, but there was not so far as
.getting the charter from the Government is concerned.

Q. It was when the company was organized ? — A. When the stock was
taken, ten per cent had to be paid before we could be legally organized.

Q. The charter had been obtained before ? — A. Yes, the act shows that itself.

Q. Who was it that put up the ten per cent, for the purpose of organizing
the company ? — A. McDonald & Boswell.

Q. Was that previous to your contract with the company ? — A. Yes, sir ;
the stock was taken and the .ten per cent, paid, and the company organized.

Q. McDonald & Boswell paid ten per cent, for the stockholders ? — A.
Yes, on the amount subscribed, which I think wTas $125,000. Ten per cent
on that would be $12,500, and I think that was the amount we paid.

Q. At that time, you must have had some idea of entering into the con-
tract with the company, hadn't you ? — A. Yes, sir, I think the arrangements
were made with A. E. McDonald, and I think Mr. Tarte and Dr. Grandbois
and Mr. Bertrand of He Yerte. There might be an arrangement between us,
but I cannot say. If there is, Mr. Hector Cameron has got it. We were to
make the surveys. I went over the road myself in November, 1885, and
examined it, and made a rough estimate of what could be done. Well, we had
surveys made, and I think the arrangement was that, if we found, after the
surveys were made, that the work could not be done for a certain amount, that
the company could give the contract to other parties, after reimbursing us for
our expense and, I think, ten per cent, added. I think there was some
arrangement of that kind. We made a survey before we decided to take the
contract.

Q. Then, previous to the organization of the company, you went over the
road and made a rough estimate ? — A. Yes, I drove over it and examined the
different points, as I would do with any other piece of work that I would take.

Q. At the time the company was organized, it was organized with every
expectation of contracting with McDonald & Boswell ?— A. Yes, that is the
way I understood it to be. If we were satisfied that the work would not
cost over a certain amount, we were to have it.

Q. That is, if you were satisfied to take the contract and build the road
with the assets they transferred to you, you could have it ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. But in the Temiscouata Railway Company no one except McDonald
& Boswell ever paid any amount whatever in respect of their stock ? — A.
Xot 'that I am aware of— no. I do not think they have.

Q. Everything that was done was done by McDonald & Boswell ? —
A. I have no idea of any stock being paid ; I do not think there has.

Q. So that that company, as a company, never had a dollar of capital or
revenue or anything else ? — A. ISTo. When we took the contract, everything
was transferred to us and we assumed everything.

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Q. Then, so far as the company exists, that company is really McDonalcl
& Boswell ? — A. Well, I do not know that I would say that. There is m
company organized, and the stock is in other people's hands besides ourselves I

Q. But none of it has ever been paid ? — A. Well, the stock is all paicB
except §9,000. I think that the law requires each of the directors to have m
thousand dollars' worth of stock to qualify him for a director, with ten peil
cent paid up. That $9,000 has never been paid, but the balance is all paici
up. We took it in our contract : we took bonds and subsidies and the stocko
of the company as paid up stock for doing the work.

Q. But the persons who subscribed never^ actually paid it? — A. Th«
$125,000 is all that was subscribed, and, with the exception of about $9,000, 1
think it was transferred in trust to Hector Cameron, to be paid to us wherjl
the work was done, according to the estimates of the Government enlj
gineers.

Q. When the work was done ? — A. Yes ; we were to get a certain perB
centage in proportion, on the certificates of the Government engineers wherl
the work was done.

Q. But McDonald & Boswell, by the transfer of that stock, never goil
any money which had been paid in by the other -stockholders, did they ? — A 1
There are no others paid that. I know of. The $12,500 that we paid was, 11
think, by resolution of the board, paid back to us on account of surveys, and 1
think our contract provided that.

Q. As to the $9,000 to qualify directors, has there been anything paid orl
that ? — A. I do not know.

Q. [Not even the ten per cent ? — A. We paid the ten per cent on th«
$9,000.

Q. So that the directors at present in office have been qualified bjjl
McDonald & Boswell ? — A. That is the way I understand it.

Q. There does not seem to be much railway company except McDonald
& Boswell ? — A. Yes, there is. We sold our bonds in England, and wot
gave a certain amount of paid-up stock to the parties in England ; they hold iU
large amount of the stock.

Q. I suppose they wanted to control the railway ? — A. No ; they have!
not got the control of it.

Q. Now, after you contracted with the Temiscouata Bailway Companyffl
to build the road, were any further subsidies obtained for the road? — A, -
There was a branch built about 32 miles, and we got a subsidy for that.

( I. No further subsidies were obtained for the main line ? — A. No, sirJ
not from the Dominion Government.

< i You say that, later, subsidies Were obtained from the Dominion Govern!
ment for the extension of the road ? — A. For a branch, the St. Francis branch,)*
but there were no further Dominion subsidies for the main line.

Q. What was the length of the main line that was subsidized at the time!
you obtained the contract ? — A. I think it was supposed to be 83 miles, but it]
is I think only 81 miles and a few hundred feet. I think it was 83 miles
the firsl subsidy was voted for, but I think that when it was built it was
found to be about 81 miles.

Q. You say that a subsidy was granted for a branch subsequently aj
you refer perhaps to the subsidy of $100,000 granted for 20 miles of the branch;
from Edmundston towards the River St. Francis in the year 1888 ?— A. Thatl
ie ii portion of it ; that is the same branch I refer to. The distance then asked
for was 3G miles.

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Q. Then, was there afterwards another subsidy granted for an extension to
that branch ? — A. Yes, for about 12 miles — not quite 12 miles.

Q. I notice by the railway report a further distance of 16 miles mentioned ?
—A. Well, we only went about 12 miles, we got $5,000 a mile for about 32
miles, or not quite 32 miles.

< I. Has that road been built ? — A. Yes.

Q. And open to traffic at present ? — A. Yes, sir, we are running it

;irly.

Q. Are those the whole subsidies granted for that road, namely, the
*498,000 for the main line, $100,000 for the first 20 miles and the $51,000
banted in 1891 ?— A. I do not think we received the $51,000. That $51,000
was applied to the 16 miles and we only built 12.

Q. So you only received a part of that $51,000 ? — A. Yes, until last
session. We got $6,000 per mile on 81 miles and some fraction. We did not
i^et paid for the 83 miles.

Q. Now, Mr. McDonald, I presume the Government did not grant these
subsidies to this branch without some representations having been made to
diem concerning it ? — A. Yes, sir ; we made representations. When we took
:he contract it was not settled whether the road should go from Riviere du
Loup or Riviere Ouelle, and there was a very strong feeling for both locations.
Mr. Costigan was determined to have it go through Riviere Ouelle and Dr.
arandbois was just as determined for Riviere du Loup.

Q. Then, did you have a good deal of negotiations with members of the
Government with reference to that? — A. Not much. It was settled that it
was to go by Riviere du Loup, and after that this branch was brought up and
we made application for a subsidy for it.

Q. What members of the Government did you see ? — A. I saw Sir
Tohn A. Macdonald.

Q. Did you see Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Not at all ?— A. No, sir.

Q. You never conversed with him concerning it? — A. I have not the
slightest recollection of any word I ever said to him about subsidies.

Q. Did you ever go to Ottawa regarding subsidies? — A. I have been in
'Ottawa a good deal during the session.

Q. And in Ottawa, did you not go to Sir A. P. Caron to press your views ?
i— A. Not with reference to the subsidies. I know Sir A. P. Caron very
(intimately. It was however not in his department, and I went to the imnister
in whose department the matter was.

Q. Sir A. P. Caron never went with you to the minister? — A. No, sir.

Q. And you say that you never had any conversation with Sir A. P.
^aron concerning subsidies? — A. I have not the slightest remembrance of
wer discussing it one way or the other. I might have met him casually, but
have not the slightest recollection.

Q. Did you ever write to him about it ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever ask any one to go for you to speak to him ? — A. No.
I want to see a minister I generally go myself.

Q. Have you any reason to know that Sir A. P. Caron was aware of your
ipplication for subsidies for a branch of this road ? — A. No more than the
ntbrmation he w%uld have as a member of the Government ; when it came up
Jefore the Council I presume he might know it.

Q. Did he ever speak to you concerning it? — A. I have not the slightest
recollection of it ; I do not think he has, and I am almost positive he has not.

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I have not the slightest recollection of it, and I think I would remember thJ
if he had.

Q. I think Mr. Tarte was a member of the House at the time, was H
not ?— A. No, sir.

Q. Had you any conversation with Mr. Tarte relating to the granting |
these subsidies ?— ^A. Not to the branch line, and the other was granted befol
we organized.

Q. Did you have any conversation with him with regard to the subsidij
to the branch line ? — A. He may have been a member of the House then, bi
1 do not remember.

Q. Did you ever request Mr. Tarte to use his influence with the GoverJ
ment in order to get the subsidy for the branch ?— A. I cannot say.

Q. Why cannot you say ? — A. Because I have no remembrance. M
Tarte was a director of our road, and is still a director.

Q. Did the company have frequent meetings ? — A. No. First, when til
company was organized, I think we had several meetings, but we do nJ
•meet generally now only once a year. If there is anything special of courl
we call a meeting.

Q. All of these matters were discussed in meetings of the company ?^-J
I will not say that they were ; I do not remember ; of course I was not!
director of the company when I was a contractor.

Q. Although you are proprietor of the greater part of the stock ? — A. I
got the greater part of this stock on being the contractor. It is a commd
thing for contractors to take stock in a contract. When we put our monJ
into a concern we want to be able to control it.

Q. Did you attend the meetings of the company when called ? — A.
may have been present at some of them.

Q. Were you not present at all ? — A. The probability is that I might a
there with them, but I do not remember.

Q. When application was made for a subsicty, would that be made i
McDonald & Boswell, or by the company ? — A. I became the president J
the company later on, and whether the application was made after I becari
president or while I was contractor for the main line I am not prepared to sal

Q. When did you become president ? — A. I think it was in 1883.

Q. What part of 1883 ?— A. December, I think.

Q. Will you look at the exhibit LJ 103 and say if that is the list of tl
shareholders of the Temiscouata Railway Company as it existed at thl
time ? — A. I think so.

( 1. I see you were one of the original shareholders ? — A. Yes, sir, I sign!
it with others.

Q. Will you look at the document exhibit L J 88, and state whethj
that is signed by yourself among others ? — A. Yes.

Q. Will you look over the document, and state whether the circumstancl
existing at the time are truly stated in it? — A. Yesr with reference to thl
portion of it. There was only ourselves that I know of that were responsible!
that is ;ui application to the Government.

Q. li is jin application to the Government to be allowed to contract unci!'
ill'- Subsidy Act? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. And is signed by you? — A. I think I, was one atf the provision
directors then.

<v>. And is also signed by Dr. Grandbois and A. R. McDonald?— I
5Tes.

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Q. You were at the time one of the provisional directors? — A. Tsot when
at was written, because the company was organized in the same month,
t some time before.

- Q. Now, in this exhibit (LJ 88) it is stated that " Proposals from respon-
se contractors have been received by the directors for the construction of the
ml within the available assets of the company" — what responsible con-
usors were referred to in that statement? — A. I consider myself and my
rtner with our resources as responsible.

Q. That is McDonald & Boswell, who afterwards did actually enter into
contract with the company ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. From this document, are you able to say that all the business referring
the construction of the road, so far as it concerned the Government, was
ted through the company, and not through McDonald & Boswell ? —
WehV if any application was made, when it was necessary to have theprc-
lent's name, of course it had to be done through the company. Afterwards,
aen we went into the contract, and the subsidies were transferred to us, we
id the necessary power of attorney, and I did the business with Mr. Hector
imeron, our solicitor.

Q. Did you deal directly with the Government? — A. I think so ; if it was
jcessary to get the signature of the president we applied to him for it.

Q. Was any subsidy paid to the company and not to McDonald &
oswell? — A. They were paid first to Molsons Bank, where McDonald &
oswell did business, and afterwards to the Bank of Montreal. It was paid
1 a power of attorney from the company to the Molsons Bank or to ourselves,
may have gone direct to the bank.

Q. These subsidies were all paid to McDonald & Boswell, were they ? —
. Yes, sir, they were put to our credit.

Q. In what manner ? — A. In Molsons Bank, Toronto, and afterwards in
ie Bank of Montreal, Montreal.

Q. Then, the Temiscouata Railway Company authorized the bank to put
ie amounts which they would receive as subsidies from the Government to
ie credit of McDonald & Boswell? — A. I presume so.

Q. Did the company give to the bank any written authorization? — A. If
ie bank required it it was done.

Q. How was the bank authorized to put the amounts received on behalf
'the Temiscouata Railway Company to the credit of McDonald and Boswell ?
I presume they must have had authority to do it.

Q. Do you know what authority they had? — A. They could get it if it
is necessary.

Q Of course ; but I want to know whether they have any writing ? — A.
think the contract covers what was to be done.

Q. Perhaps the contract was filed in the bank ? — A. It may have been ;
[r. Cameron did what he thought was necessary.

Q. As a matter of fact, McDonald & Boswell got the subsidies put to
leir credit in the Molsons Bank? — A. Yes, and afterwards in the Bank of
•.ontreal.

Q. Now, that account to which the subsidies were placed, was that an
'dinary current account of McDonald & Boswell ? — A. That is the only account
e had in the bank.

Q. You kept your account first in the Molsons Bank and afterwards in the
ank of Montreal? — A. Yes, it was kept in Toronto first and afterwards
'ansferred to the Bank of Montreal, in Montreal. When it was in the Mol-

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sons Bank it was kept in the Molsons Bank, Toronto, and then it was trail
ferred to the Bank of Montreal.

Q. During the time that the account was in the Molsons Bank, Toronli
was that the only bank account kept by McDonald & Boswell ? — A. We kfl
one in the Jacques Cartier Bank, at Riviere du Loup, because it was cjj
venient there, for small amounts — we drew upon Molsons, however, for whl
ever amount we wanted.

Q. You would draw on the Molsons Bank in order to put to your crej
in the Jacques Cartier Bank, at Riviere du Loup, a certain amount for peB
expenses ? — A. Yes ; Mr. Boswell had charge of the office and signed fl
cheques, and he will be able to explain that more fully than I can.

Q. Did you ha ye an engineer responsible to you connected with the ci»
struction of the Temiscouata Railway? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did he report to you, from time to time, the progress of the workl*
A. I was over the work myself all the time.

Q. But I want to know if the engineer gave you progress estimates ?— L
He did for the contracts for earth and rock ; I do not know that he did for H
ties. The iron was bought outside of him altogether. I presume the fencflj
would be in his estimate.

Q. So that any progress estimates you received from your engineer woM
not indicate the value of the work done ? — A. No, sir ; I think that J
measurements only covered where classification was required ; I do not thj
there was anything else in the estimates.

Q. Did you keep an account in your books against the road, showing
cost to you? — A. I presume I did. We did all the ballasting ourselves
bought the iron ; we let the rock work, the earth excavations and fencings.

Q. Would not all this be charged against the construction account?—

Yes ; it would not show in the engineer's estimates, because we did so mi

dav work ourselves.
«/

Q. But there would be an account in your books which would show
cost of the road to you, including everything? — A. Well, I suppose th
would be. I thmk there was a balance sheet made up at the end.

Q. That is after the road was completed ? — A. Yes.

Q. Showing the total cost ? — A. Yes, I think so ; there was one, I belie
but I do not know where it is now, but I think J have seen one.

Q. You have stated in " exhibit LJ 88 " that the assets of the road c I
sisted of the capital stock, and the Dominion and provincial subsidies. Are ^u
in a position to state what amount of subsidies you received from the I
vincial Government ? — A. I do not know that I have any right to ans^
what the road cost us; it has nothing to do with this investigation and I obj
to it.

Q. Are you prepared to say that all the assets of the road, consisting!)*'
the subsidies from the Dominion and I^rovincial Governments have bn
expended in the construction of the road ? — A. Yes, sir ; and we put our o*
money into it, over and above our subsidies. We have never been paid
amount we have put into it ourselves.

Q. Have you sold the bonds? — A. Yes.

Q. Are the proceeds of these bonds gone into the road ? — A. I do
propose to go into the details as to what we have done in our own privte
business, but if there is anything in connection with this investigation tju
you wish to know I am prepared to answer it.

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Q. I do not want to go into anything about your private business ? — A.
rell, if you go into the cost of the road and the money we put in it ourselves,
»u would go into our private business, and that was the objection that I made
lion I was examined before in a similar matter. I think it would be going

>ur private business to ask me any such questions. I am anxious to give
hi all the information I can in relation to this investigation.

IQ. "Were there two different sets of bonds issued in connection with this
j>ad ? — A. Yes ; the bonds of the main line and the bonds of the branch.
Q. "Were there any bonds issued on the road for $5,000 per mile
tally ? — A. I believe there were, but they were never put upon the
arket.

Q. But afterwards bonds were issued to the extent of $20,000 ? — A. Yes,
• ;iat is what the act allowed us.

Q. Did McDonald & Boswell obtain by their contract with the Temis-
mata Railway Company any assets other than the Dominion and provincial
ibsidies granted to the company ? — A. They got a subsidy from the corpora-
on of Fraserville.

Q. But was there anything mentioned to that effect ? — A. Yes.
Q. Did they have any other assets which were transferred to you, besides
iese subsidies ? — A. None but the stock.

Q. But as you stated before, the stock was not paid up ? — A. But we
)ok a certain amount of paid up stock, and the subsidies, and the right of
;suing the bonds.

Q. But that stock did not put any money in your pockets ? — A. Well,
do not know ; it is a question yet whether it will or not. We put a value
In it.

Q. For what purpose do you put e value on it ? — A. Well, we control
ihe road, and if we ever dispose of the road, we consider the stock will be
rorth something by the handling of it.

Q. What I want to know is this, whether the stock put any actual cash
p your pockets ? — A. We have not derived any value from it yet.

Q. And the only value you hope to derive from it, is by means of con-
irolling the road ? — A. I am not prepared to say. We hope more than that
rom it eventually.

Q. Now, Mr. McDonald, when you were the contractor for the Temis-
iouata Railway, with whom were your negotiations conducted ? — A. They
tare principally with A. R. McDonald, Mr. Tarte, and the other directors
iter the company was formed, but these were the principal men, and I think
•Ir. Bertrand was also one of the committee appointed by the board to make
- contract, and see that everything was attended to properly.

Q. With whom were the special items of the contract principally dis-
ussed ? — A. Well, by Mr. Hector Cameron, my solicitor, representing
McDonald & Boswell, and by myself, with a committee of the board — I pre-
'ume that is what it would be.

Q. Is it not a fact that Mr. A. R. McDonald represented the Temiscouata
Railway Company in negotiations with you ? — A. He was the man that I had
lone the principal business with.

Q. And you treated with him as representing the company ? — A. Well,
I lot exactly the company. There was the old organization, or the company
fhat had lapsed, that had claims — I think there were two companies, one on
|'he New Brunswick end and one at the Quebec end — I think there was a
local charter, and he claimed that they had certain rights that should be res-

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pected, and in making our arrangements we proposed that there should |
only one person that we should deal with, and Mr. McDonald was the ml
that was put forward by the. others to represent them all.

Q. Did Mr. McDonald produce any letter or writing to show that he vm
authorized to deal on behalf of the others ? — A. Well, the directors were tfi
only ones that came in afterwards.

Q. Did they pass a resolution of the board to authorize him to act p
them ? — A. I am not prepared to say whether they did or not ; you will ha i
to look at the minutes of the board for that.

Q. At any rate, you thought he was sufficiently authorized to deal wil
him ? — A. We dealt with him more than with others.

Q. And you fixed the term of the contract with him ? — A. I think thl
the terms of the contract were fixed with a committee of the board, cb«
prising Mr. Bertrand, Mr. Grandbois, and Mr. A. E-. McDonald, and perhal
Tarte, but I cannot say. I think there were three of a committee appoint!
by the board to approve of the contract and report to the board, butt,
presume the minutes will show the whole thing.

Q. Now, you stated in your evidence that you required to make
further investigation into the cost of building the road, in order to be piH
pared to enter into that contract. That is an investigation beyond what y<
had made at the date of the incorporation of the company ? — A. We made
survey of the road on the first preliminary arrangements ; and if, after tl.
making of this survey, we felt that the road cost too much, they had til
option of paying us back what we expended, and give the contract to son|
other company if they thought proper/

Q. And after the survey was made, you entered into the contract? — J
Yes, I think the survey was made when we entered into that. I am not su|
whether it was finished completely, but I think it was finished enough j
satisfy us.

Q. Was there any consideration stipulated to be given by McDonald
Boswell for political purposes, to be used for the purpose of securing tl;
election of members of Parliament favourable to the Government, in additid
to the consideration mentioned in the contract between you and tl
Temiscouata Railway Company? — A. Well, not so far as Sir A. P. Caron wd
concerned, or anything connected with this investigation.

Q. You say not so far as Sir A. P. Caron was concerned. Do I undej
stand you to say that there was any consideration to be used for politic:]
purposes? — A. I am not prepared to answer that any more than just as!
have already answered. There is an agreement between myself and one (
the board that might be construed in that way, but I am not prepared to sa
that it is so, and I have not got the agreement to see it, and I have not read
for years. It has nothing to do with this present investigation, nor is theij
;m\ mention of it, or anything in reference to it.

Q. [think you are summoned to produce all papers in your possessio
relating to the matter, are you not ? — A. I do not know that I have got that
I have not got any papers myself. As far as I am aware at present, I believj
that any agreement that was made at that time is in the possession ofM.,|
( lameron, who was acting as solicitor. I know he has got a lot of our paper;:
I have not Keen the document I allude to since it was made. I do not kno^|
that you would consider it apolitical thing, but at the same time, youj
question is put in such a way that I cannot say straight that it is not.

Q. At the time of the stipulation between McDonald & Boswell and Mil
A. K. McDonald, on behalf of the Temiscouata Eailway Company, was ij

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i'd that McDonald & Boswel] Bhould give or subscribe any sum of money
r valuable consideration to ho used to promote the election of Sir .V. P.
Jaron, or other supporters of the Government of which he was a member? —
L As tar as Sir A. P. Caron is concerned, there was none — not the slightest^
Q. Is that your whole answer ? — A. That is all I can answer without
oeing this agreement, and I believe that Hector Cameron has the. agreement.
Vt least, I am not aware of where it is ; he is the man avIio has done all my
•usiness and was the solicitor of McDonald & Boswell.

Q. I must insist on an answer to the question as to whether there was
stipulation of either money or value to be paid for political purposes to
iromote the election of Sir A. JJ. Caron or other members favourable to the
Government of which Sir A. P. Caron is a member ? — A. I suppose I can
it the words I used at the time of this agreement. The agreement referred
o certain things, and I objected ; I said that there is no doubt that during the
larrying out of this work I would have to do something for our friends, and
am willing to leave it in that position. That is all that transpired, if you
an put any political construction on it, one way or the other. These are the
vords I used at the time.

Q. When you speak of friends, you mean political friends ? — A. Well, I
been twenty years assisting my friends when they were in opposition
ind when they were in power. I have done so right along.

Q. You mean political friends ? — A. Yes, sir ; that agreement does not
jxactly say so, but that is really what I mean myself.

Q. And in assisting friends, you mean subscribing to elections ? — A.
Well, I suppose that would be about it.

Q. And your friends, I suppose, we need not ask, are Sir A. P. Caron,
ind other members of the conservative party ? — A. I never heard his name
(mentioned in this matter. I had nothing to say about him one way or the
)ther. This matter that I refer to had nothing to do with Dominion subsidies,
either directly or indirectly. t

Q. Where is the agreement you refer to — is it within your power ? — A.
jl believe Mr. Cameron has got it.

Q. Where is Mr. Cameron ? — A. In England, as far as I know. I believe
jhim to be in London.

Q. Have you searched for it since you received your subpoena ? — A. No,
I have not. I have been detained in Montreal, and I have not got any papers.
,1 believe Mr. Cameron has got it, and I doubt very much if I could get it if I
went to Riviere du Loup. He has a lot of our papers, and I believe they are
all locked up. He is the solicitor for McDonald & Boswell.

Q. Was the agreement which you mentioned signed by you ? — A. I
presume it was signed by McDonald & Boswell ; I signed it, I presume.
I #•» Q. Did it mention any particular sum of money to be paid for political
purposes ?

Mr. Ferguson, Q. C, objects to the question, on the ground that the wit-
ness has already stated that neither Sir A. P. Caron, nor any of his political
friends, had anything to do with this agreement, and that his name was in no
way connected with it.

Objection overruled.

Q. Was the agreement of wdiich you speak part of the consideration of the
icontract of McDonald & Boswell with the Temiscouata Railway Company? —
jA. I eannot say that it was. I cannot say positively.

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Q. Well, was it or was it not, Mr. McDonald ? — A. I do not think it waj
because we would have got the contract anyway. For that reason, I do n<j
think it was.

Q. You say you would have got the contract anyway ? — A. Yes, sij
without any reference to this thing I refer to.

Q. Did the firm of Mc Donald & Boswell assume obligations under sa
agreement, in addition to those which are mentioned in their contract withtb
Temiscouata Railway? — A. "Well, I am not prepared to answer that. That!
going into a thing that may come up hereafter, somewhere else, and I a^
not going to commit myself. It has nothing to do with this investigation i
any way ; that I am satisfied of. I do not propose to go into it, because theii
may be other investigations or another lawsuit in the matter, and I migl)
commit myself here. I do not propose to give any information in reference 1j
this agreement any more than I have given.

Q. Did the firm of McDonald & Boswell, by said agreement, or otherwis!
undertake to pay for political purposes, to promote the election of Sir A. 1
Caron, or other members or supporters of the Government of which he was
member, any sum of money, or any property of value ? — A. Well, no. TheJ
is nothing more than what I said there, that a party wanted this sum <
money for himself, and I refused it, and I said that we would like to help oij
friends during the progress of the work. It was just that way.

Q. I repeat the question. That is not an answer. Did the firm <
McDonald & Boswell by said agreement, or otherwise, undertake to pay fc|
election purposes, to promote the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or other membei
or supporters of the Government of which he was a member, any sum ofmone;|
or any property of value ? — A. As I said before, I never heard Sir A. P. Caro
mentioned in any way, directly or indirectly, in connection with the Temij
couata Railway at all. The party I refer to wanted a certain amount fc
himself, and I refused it, and I said that we had to help our friends during th
progress of the work. I proposed that that amount should be left for that pu:
pose, and if there was anything left after we got through, that he could hav
it. That is as far as I remember the transaction. I think the agreement wi
show that, but I am not prepared to say, because I have not seen it since |
was made.

Q. In the agreement of which you have spoken, was it stipulated tha
McDonald & Boswell should pay any sum of money or valuable consideratioi
for political purposes, to secure the election to the House' of Commons o
persons friendly to the Government of which Sir A. P. Caron was a member?-)
A. I cannot give any answer than the one I have given.

Q. I do not understand, Mr. McDonald, whether you meant to say ths]
there was anything in the agreement, or that you simply said verbally to th
person with whom you were dealing, " We will have to contribute for politic*.)
purposes, to help our friends." Will you please state whether that was ij
the agreement or not ? — A. I tell you that I have not seen the agreemeii
Bince it was made — I do not remember of having seen it since, and I am ncj
prepared to say exactly the words of it.

Mr. Justice Routhier : — Was there anything like that in the agreement!
— A. I may tell you that the party wanted the money for himself.

Q. What party? — A. I am not going to name him — I do not think i
have a right to give the name ; I do not know if you would call him a poll
i ician ; I do not think he is ; he is not a member of the House, nor never wiu
He wanted the money for himself, independent of politics altogether.

208

Edgar versus Caron.

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C, of Counsel for the Crown

Q. Did you pledge yourself to pay an amount to that person ".'—A. I
■anuot say exactly the wording of the agreement, but I give you the purport
of it. I made the remark that I had to help our friends, and if there was
anything left on the completion of the work out of this amount, that this
party should have it.

Q. That is in the agreement, is it ? — A. I think so ; I do not know that
these are the exact words, but as far as I remember, it is the meaning of it.

Q. A certain amount is mentioned in the agreement ? — A. The amount
he wanted is in the agreement.

Q. What was the amount ? — A. I do not know I have any right to give
lit ; it is between myself and a person who is not in the House, and who was
not a politician, and no member of Parliament or member of the Government
knew anything about it. It is a matter between myself and a private indivi-
dual, and I do not think I have a right to refer to it.

Q. Who was the party with whom this agreement was made ? — A. That
la what I refuse to answer, because it has nothing to do with this investiga-
tion.

By Mr. Ferguson, Q.C, of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron:

Q. Was it fixed to come out of the Federal subsidies or any part of
them? — A. No.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C, of Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Was it fixed to come out of any property of the road ? — A. I suppose
everything we got was the property of the road before it was assigned to us.

Q. Was it fixed to come out of any part of the consideration which was
conveyed to you by the Temiscouata Railway Company, uuder your contract
with that company ? — A. Not so far as the Dominion is concerned.

Q. That is not a full answer ? — A. That is the only answer I can give
you.

Mr. Irvine, Q.C. — Following my advice ; I have been consulting with
Mr. McDonald. He is willing to give the name of the person, and to give
an explanation of what is in the agreement referred to.

By Mr. Archibald, Q.C, of Counsel for the Crown:

Q. Mr. McDonald, will you please state what explanation you wish to
; give with regard to the purport of this agreement ? — A. On the advice of my
ssolicitor, I propose to give you the name and the transaction, as far as I can.
The agreement was made with Mr. A. R. McDonald. The amount I refer to
was a subsidy from the municipality of Fraserville of $25,000. There is an
agreement existing between us. He wanted to get that amount for himself.
I refused point blank to give it to him, and alter some time, when Mr.
Cameron was present, I agreed that this amount should be left aside for any
purpose that might arise during the progress of the work, without saying
political or anything else. As I said a little while ago, I said that we would
;have to help our friends, and if there was anything left out of that sum of
'money after we got through, that he could have the balance. That is the
; whole story of it.

I Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron have any knowledge of this agreement ? — A.
Ho, sir.

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Q. You never spoke to him about it ? — A. No, sir.

Q. He never spoke to you? — A. No, sir; I have not the slightest recoil
lection of discussing it with him.

Q. Have you any intimation, in any way, that he was aware of thai
agreement ? — A. I have not.

Q. Did you, during the election of 1887, subscribe to promote the election
of Sir A. P. Caron to the House of Commons? — A. No, sir.

Q. You did not? — A. No, sir.

Q. Nothing at all ? — A. No, sir.

Q. Did you, during the election of 1887, subscribe any money to promotd
the election of persons supporting the Government of which Sir A. P. Caroij
was a member ? — A. I subscribed to the election, but not to Sir A. P. Caron'si

Q. How much ? — A. I decline to say what it was. It has nothing to d(
with Sir A. P. Caron at all.

Q. I think you must answer ? — A. I cannot say what the amount was1
because 1 subscribed in two or three small amounts and one large amount, and
if you ask me the amount I subscribed, I do not think I can tell you.

Q. Can you not give it approximately? — A. I do not give figures lik<|
this approximately.

Q. How much was this large amount ? — A. I do not think I have ami
right to answer that ; I decline to answer.

Mr. JusTrcE Eouthier — I think you are obliged to answer. — A. I am no
clear enough as to what the amount was, it has happened so far back — I anl
not clear as to whether it was $7,000 or $8,000, but T believe it is one o.
these amounts.

Q. Did that amount go into the general fund of which the Honourably
Mr. McGreevy was treasurer?— A. I am not aware of it ; I do not know any
thing about it — I never heard of that general fund until the investigation.

Q. Was the money given either to Sir A. P. Caron, or to any person foa
him, or that you supposed was for him ? — A. No, sir.

Q. To the best of your knowledge, had Sir A. P. Caron any knowledge)
whatever of it? — A. No, sir ; to the best of my knowledge, I do not suppose he!
had the slightest knowledge of it.

Q. Do you know, or have you any reason to know, that Sir A. P. Carod
had any hand in the distribution of it ? — A. I have not the slightest idea thai
he had — I have no means of knowing.

Q. With regard to the small subscription that you have mentioned, hadj
Sir A. P. Caron anything to do with it? — A. No, sir

Q. Now, coming down to the election of 1891, did you have any conver]
sation with Sir A. P. Caron with regard to that election ? — A. Sir A. P.:
Caron met me casually in the town here, and asked me if I could assist hid
in any way. I said I could not do much, but I would see what I could do.

Q. What came of that? — A. That is all I had to say with Sir A. P|
Caron about it.

Q. Did you assist him afterwards? — A. There was a party drew upon
me.

Q. A person that you knew to be a politician? — A. Yes; I understood:
him to he one of the committee, I think in Quebec here.

Q. Did you honour the draft? — A. Yes, sir.

Q, What was the amount of the draft?— A. $2,000. I had nothing td
nay to Sir A. P. Caron about it. I do not know whether he knew I honoured
llic draft or not.

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Edfi-ar versus Caron.

Q. Did you at the time suppose that the draft was the result of your
•onversation with Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. Well, I do not know it was, and I
un not prepared to say it was either.

Q. Now, is that the only conversation that you had with Sir A. P. Caron
•elating to the election of 1891 ? — A.' That is all, so far as money is concerned,
[ may have talked about how they were getting on, and meeting him
casually, but in so far as finances are concerned, I never discussed that with
lim.

Q. Now, Mr. McDonald, one final question. Did you have any conver-
sation with Sir A. P. Caron afterwards about the draft for the election of
:1891 ? — A. No, sir — no. I had not.
r j ! Q. There was no mention of it ? — A. No.

Q. I believe that you have been in the habit of subscribing for elections
< :for some time, have you not, Mr. McDonald ? — A. Yes, sir ; for over twenty

Q. Every election that comes along? — A. I think pretty near all ; I help

friends in the general elections.

Q. You have been a pretty loyal conservative right through ? — A. Yes.

Q. Now, apart from what you have mentioned, relating to your agree-
ment with Mr. A. R. McDonald, and your subscription, was there any con-
tract or understanding, or agreement, that you should give one dollar besides
;that for election purposes? — A. I never had any agreement outside of that
one I had with A. R. McDonald, which I have explained here to-day. I am
not prepared exactly to say what the wording of that agreement is ; so far as I
an remember It, I have told you.

Cross-examined by Mr. Ferguson, Q.C., of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron :

Q. When was it in 1891 that you refer to, when you say Sir A. P. Caron
-poke to you ? — A. Well, I am not sure now ; I cannot give the period ; I
cannot give the date now.

Q. Where was it you met him ? — A. Well, I just met him accidentally.

Q. You met him casually in travelling ? — A. I met him casually in
Quebec here, I think. I am not prepared to say at present ; it was not by
appointment, or anything.

Q. And what he said to you was ? — A. If I could assist them in any

way.

Q. He suggested to you or asked you if you could assist them in any
way in the general election ? — A. Yes, I do not know if he said the general
election, but I knew the general election was coming on.

Q. It was not in consequence of that request that you subscribed ? — A. I
am not prepared to say whether it was or not. I do not think it was.

Q. You were in the habit of subscribing to general elections ? — I am in
the habit of subscribing.

Q. You would have subscribed, anyway, to the election, whether you met
Sir A. P. Caron at that time or not? — A. I am sure I would have subscribed,
whether or not.

Q. You always have subscribed ? — A. For general elections ?

Q. Yes ? — A. For twenty years, I may say.

Q. You never saw Sir A. P. Caron again on the subject, and never spoke
to him of it ?— A. No, sir.

Q. You never gave Sir A. P. Caron any money ? — A. I never gave him
j a dollar.

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Q. You do not know whether he knew anything about your having
subscribed, as a matter of fact ? — A. I do not know.

And further deponent saith not.

I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do hereby certify the foregoing
deposition to be a true and faithful reproduction of my stenographic notes.

Quebec, 27th October, 1892.

Edward D. Boswell, Railway Contractor, being duly sworn, deposed
follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Boswell, you are one of the partners of the firm of McDonald^
Boswell ? — A. Yes, sir.

Q. You are a partner with Mr. J. J. McDonald who was examinee
yesterday? — A. Yes.

Q. Did you associate yourself together as McDonald & Boswell, for tin
purpose of building the Temiscouata Railway, or had you a previous partnei
ship ? — A. No ; we became partners just on that contract.

Q. I think you were summoned to produce the books, Mr. Boswell ? — A.
I have got the books of the Temiscouata Railway Company.

Q. You are secretary of that company ? — A. Yes.

Q. What books of that company have you got ? — A. I have got the onb
books in my possession — that is, the minute books and the stock book.

Q. Did the Temiscouata Railway Company have any financial trans*
tions at all itself ? Did it have any revenue or resources, apart from what
conveyed to McDonald & Boswell ? — A. No ; I think not. '

Q. i >id it ever have a bank account ? — A. Not until they commence
operating the road.

Q. That was not the bank account of McDonald & Boswell ? — A.
always carried on the business of contractors under the name " McDonald
Boswell."

Q. You considered McDonald & Boswell as the railway company aft<
they took the building of the road ? — A. No ; we were contractors.

Q. What I mean is this : Did the railway company itself, apart froi
McDonald & Boswell, have any revenue or resources of any kind during tl
period from its incorporation up to the commencement of the running of tl
road ? — A. I am not aware of it.

1 1 So that they never paid money to any one at all ? — A. Except that
the subsidies that were granted were transferred to McDonald & Boswell.

( J That was under the contract between the company and McDonald
Boswell ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you the minute book of the company ? — A. Yes.

Q. I)oes it contain any entries relative to the contract between the coi
pany and McDonald & Boswell? — A. Well, I have never read the minutes,
have only been secretary of the company since December, 1888, and I ha^
not read the back minutes.

1 1 Arc you not aware, without having read them, whether there are|
minutes relating to the passing of a contract with McDonald & Boswell ? — A.
1 Buppose there would be, but I really have not read it.

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* Edgar versus Caron.

Q. Is the book which you produce, Mr. Boswcll, the first minute book
the company ? — A. I think so. It is the only one I have ever seen. It was
nded over to me by the former secretary. I perceive that the first meeting
pears to have been held on Tuesday, the 19th of January, 1886.

Q. Is that not the case ? — A. Apparently so.

Q. That was for the organization of the company ? — A. Yes.

(>. Does that mention the names of the provisional directors who were
present ? — A. Yes : A. R. McDonald, Dr. Grandbois, Dr. Rossignol, G. H.
l)i 'si'hesne, M.P.P., J. J. McDonald, A. Hamel, J. I. Tarte, and C. Bertrand.

Q. Mr. Deschesne is since dead, is he not? — A. Yes.

Q. At that meeting Mr. A. R. McDonald was appointed president? — A.
Yes ; apparently so.

Q. And you, Mr. Boswell, were, I see, appointed treasurer ? — A. Yes.

Q. I perceive that by a resolution of that meeting, the president, A. R.
McDonald, Dr. Grandbois, J. I. Tarte and John J. McDonald were appointed
a committee to enter into contracts on behalf of the company with the
Dominion and Provincial Governments for the subsidies granted or to be
granted to the company. Is that the case? — A. Yes, if it says so in the
minutes.

Q. "Was anything done at that meeting with regard to getting somebody
to contract for the road ? — A. The president was authorized to receive pro-
posals for the construction of the road and to make arrangements therefore,
subject to the approval of the permanent board when elected ; and also the
president was authorized to open subscriptions for the one hundred and twenty-
five thousand dollars necessary, and to call another meeting as soon as subscrip-
tions should be obtained.

Q. I find here, that on the 3rd of March, 1886, the first meeting was held
after the stock subscription had been obtained, and the election of permanent
directors took place, where Messrs. A. R. McDonald, Dr. Grandbois, Dr.
Rossignol, J. I. Tarte, G. H. Deschene, Charles Bertrand and Levi Terriault,
Hector Cameron, William McCarthy, were elected directors. At a subsequent
meeting of the directors held on the 21st of September following, A. R.
McDonald was elected president and managing director. The president, A.
R. McDonald, and Messrs.Grandbois and Bertrand, were elected a committee
with authority to make and enter into a contract with responsible contractors for
the building of the line. Now, Mr. Boswell, who were the responsible con-
tractors referred to in these minutes ? — A. I don't understand you.

Q. What persons did the company deal with ? — A. I do not know. I do
not know anything about anybody but ourselves.

Q. Who were they negotiating with ? Was it McDonald & Boswell ? —
A. I think so.

Q. Were you aware that any other contractors than McDonald & Boswell
had been approached on the matter ? — A. I don't know.

Q. Will you look at the minutes of meeting of directors of the Temis-
couata Railway Company, dated October, 1886, and see were they authorized
to contract between the company and McDonald & Boswell ? — A. The following
is an extract from the minutes : " The committee of directors named by the
board to consider for the construction of the line of the Temiscouata Railway
met, when there were present A. R. McDonald, president; Dr. Grandbois
and Charles Bertrand. The contract between the company, the Messrs.
McDonald & Boswell, read, considered and approved, and the president was

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authorized to sign the same and to affix the seal of the company thereto."
is signed A. R. McDonald.

Q. Under that authority the contract was executed with McDonald
Boswell ? — A. I suppose so.

Q. And McDonald & Boswell proceeded to construct the work ? — A. Ye

Q. Mr. Boswell, you were in court yesterday, and heard Mr. McDonal
speak concerning the manner in which the account of the company w
kept?— A. Yes.

Q. Your account was first kept in Molson's Bank, Toronto, and after ware
in the Bank of Montreal, in Montreal ? — A. Yes.

Q. Did you open a bank account immediately after you commenced th
construction ? — A. I suppose so ; we had to have a bank account.

Q. What were the sources of the moneys which were placed in the ban
account of McDonald & Boswell ? "Were they anything except the subsidi
and other valuable considerations which came from the Temiscouata Company
— A. Oh, yes.

Q. McDonald & Boswell opened an account by placing money to tl
credit outside of that, did they ? — A. Yes.

Q. With regard to the payments which were made, and which wei
mentioned by Mr. J. J. McDonald in his evidence, namely, $7,000 or $8,00»
and $2,000, were these payments made simply out of a bank account, or ho
were they made ? — A. I cannot say anything about that. I do not kno
anything about it.

Q. Did you have access to the books of McDonald & Boswell? — A. The
amounts were paid to Mr. McDonald, and he did what he liked with them.

Q. Were they paid by cheque? — A. He took the money, and I do n<
know what became of it afterwards.

Q. Was the money obtained on the cheque of the company, McDonald
Boswell? — A. I suppose so.

Q. And the cheque was drawn on the bank account of McDonald
Boswell ? — A . Certainly.

Q. That bank account was composed of the various subsidies and otht
values which came from the contract with the Temiscouata Railway Company
— A. Well, whatever money we received from the different Governments,^
our own money.

Q. You really started the account ? — A. Yes.

Q. So the whole were mixed together ? — A. Yes.

Q. Are you acquainted with Sir Adolphe Caron ? — A. Slightly.

Q. Have you seen him and conversed with him in connection with tli
affairs of the Temiscouata Railway Company ? — A. No, never.

Q. Not upon any subject? — A. Not upon any business; never in m
life.

Q. Have you been present when anybody else was so conversing wit
him? — A. No.

Q. I hive you ever visited Ottawa in connection with the affairs of
company? — A. Once or twice, but only to meet Mr. McDonald or
Cameron.

Q, What Mr. Cameron is that? — A. Mr. Hector Cameron.

Q. Where is he now? — A. He is in England.

Q. Is he residing in England, or do you expect him to return? — A. I
not know, Ik- has been t here for over a year.

Q. What relation has he to your company? — A. He was solicitor.

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Q. Was he also a director of your company? — A. Yes.

Q. Was it tluouirli him that any proposals for increased subsidies were
de ? —A. I do not know anything about that.

Q. When you went to Ottawa to meet Mr. J. J. McDonald and Mr.
ctor Cameron, did you meet any one else there connected with the company ?
A. I met A. R. McDonald on one occasion there.

Q. What was the cause of your visit to Ottawa on that occasion ? What
iusiness connected with the company took you there? — A. I have really for-
gotten, it is so long ago-. I remember it was on the 24th of May.

Q. Was it in connection with the negotiations to obtain the contract that
you went to Ottawa? — A. I think not ; I am under the impression we had the
contract then. I really don't remember.

Q. Now, don't you remember hearing something discussed there that
seemed as if the contract had not then been completed, something about a sum
of money that was to be laid aside by McDonald & Boswell ? — A. No ; there was
something about this Fraserville bonus, but that is a matter entirely between
A. R. McDonald and John J. I heard of it, but I did not hear the discussion at
the time.

Q. You knew there was something about that ? — A. They had some
words about it, but I did not hear it all.

Q. Where was it that they had the words? — A. In Ottawa.

Q. That relates to the evidence that was given by Mr. J. J. McDonald
yesterday ? — A. Yes.

Q. Have you any reason to believe that Sir Adolple Caron had any know-
ledge whatever of the contracts between A. R. McDonald or the agreements
between A. R. McDonald and John J. in that respect? — A. No ; I never heard
his name mentioned.

Q. To your knowledge, does any act of Sir Adolphe Caron imply that he
had any knowledge of that contract? — A. I only repeat that I never heard
his name mentioned in connection with the railroad in any manner at all in
any way.

Q. Now, Mr. Boswell, as secretary treasurer of the Temiscouata Railway
Company, are you in a position to say whether that company ever paid any
money or value of any kind to Sir A dolphe Caron or to any election fund for
the purpose of promoting the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe
Caron, or other members or supporters of the Government of which he was a
member? — A. I thought Mr. J. J. McDonald answered that question yesterday.

Q. I am asking you the question concerning the Temiscouata Railway
Company ? — A. As a company ?

Q. Yes?— A. No.

Q. Nothing at all?— A. Never.

Q. I presume it has never had anything to pay? — A. That is a fact.

Q. Now, did McDonald & Boswell, as a consideration of the contract pas-
sed betwen them and the Temiscouata Railway Company, contract or agreed
to pay any sum of money or valuable consideration to be used for political
purposes to secure the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron
or other members or supporters of the Government of which he was a mem-
ber ? — A. Not that I am aware of. I had nothing to do with the political part
of the transaction at all.

Q. You had nothing to do with them ? — A. No ; anything that was ever
given Mr. McDonald did ; I don't know anything about it.

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Q. Were you present at the discussions between Mr. J. J. McDonald an j
Mr. A. R. McDonald, and Mr. Tarte, and others? — A. I do not think I havl
ever been, particularly.

Q. Were you present at any discussion where any stipulation was made thai
money was to be paid for the purposes mentioned in the previous question?-!
A. No.

Q. Mr. Boswell, I see that at a meeting of the directors of the Temiscouat 1
Railway Company on the 22nd of March, 1888, a question was raised conceij;
ning modifications in the contract of McDonald & Boswell with theTemiscouati
Railway Company. Will you state whether any modification of that contract
was made ? — A I really cannot tell you ; Mr. McDonald looked after all the*
matters. I really don't know anything about it

Q. Do you know that bonds were first issued at the rate of $5,000 pel
mile? — A. Yes.

Q. Don't you know that that was subsequently increased ? — A. I ari
told so. They were increased to $20,000, but I was not there then. Th|
negotiations were all carried on through Mr. Cameron and Mr. McDonald.

Q. Don't you know that the stock of the company was increased froii
$500,000 to $1,000,000 ?— A. Yes.

Q. Was there an amended contract passed ? — A. I do not know, but I
imagine there would be.

Q. Do you see in the minutes a report of the president of the compan;
concerning that matter, an extract of which is as follows : " They have askeq
from the board for their consent, without which no alteration could be mad<
to cancel the present issue of bonds which are still in the hands of th<
trustees, and none of which have been delivered to the contractors on theij
order, and to make a new issue of bonds to the limit authorized by thij
charter of the company ; and they have also proposed assent to the increase o
the capital stock of the company, provided for by the said act, provided thai
they shall receive $791,000 as paid up stock, instead of $491,000 stipulated
for by their contract, and that $200,000 will be reserved to be issued in ak;
of the future construction of the branch as authorized." Now, these are thJ
changes which were referred to in the contract with McDonald & Boswell?—]
A. I suppose so ; I never saw the contract. This change was confirmed at i\
meeting of the shareholders of the company on the 22nd of March, 1888, ;
copy of which minute is produced, and will be attached to my deposition d
exhibit EDB 1. I am in possession of the original subscription list of the]
Temiscouata Railway, bearing date the 19th January, 1886. The subscriber?
upon the original list were A. R. McDonald, 10 snares ; Dr. Grandbois, 1(
shine- : Demase Rossignol, 10 shares ; E. Hamel, 10 shares ; C. II. Deschenej
10 shares ; J. J. McDonald, 10 shares ; J. I. Tarte, 10 shares ; Charted
Bertrattd, 10 shares ; William McCarthy, 250 shares; and A. R. McDonald!
920 Bhar<

Counsel for Sir Adolphe Caron did not cross-examine the witness.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do declare, under the
oath 1 have taken, thai the above is a true and faithful transcript of the short*
hand notes of the evidence of the above-named witness.

21f)

Edo-ar versus C&ron.

"©

slation.)

Bitting of 27th October, 1892.

Mil. P. B. Di'moulin, Manager of La Banque du Peuple, Quebr< •.
By Mr. Bisaillon :

Q. You know Sir A. P. Caron ?— A. Yes.

Q. Would you state whether Sir A. P. Oaron has an account at the
Banque du Peuple at Quebec ? — A. He has no account.

Q. Has he had an account open at that bank since 1882 ? — A. The
Banque du Peuple has been established at Quebec only since 1885. I entered
the lower town branch only in 1888, and since I have been there Sir A. P.
Caron has not had an account.- I do not believe he had any before, but I
cannot say that I have examined all the books since 1885.

Q. Can you ascertain it by examining the books ? — A. "Without referring
to the books, before leaving the bank just now, I asked the accountant
whether Sir A. P. Caron had had an account open at the bank. He answered
me that he never had had an account ; he told me that officially.

Q. Between 1888 and 1891 Sir A. P. Caron had no account at La Banque
du Peuple at Quebec. You are certain of that ? — A. Not to my personal
knowledge.

Q. And your accountant ? — A. Yes, for the accountant told me that Sir
A. P. Caron had not had any account since 1885, since the opening of La
Banque du Peuple at Quebec.

Frank Ross, of the city of Quebec, being duly sworn, deposeth as
follows : —

Examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Mr. Ross, I think you are the successor to the business of the late
Honourable James Gibb Ross ? — A. Yes.

Q. Are you acquainted with Sir Adolphe Caron ? — A. I am.

Q. And have been for many years ? — A. Yes, for several years.

Q. Were you acquainted with the transactions of the Honourable J. G.
Ross with H. J. Beemer, relating to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company? — A. Why, of course, prior to Mr. James Ross's death I had
nothing to do with it.

Q. Were you acquainted with it? — A. No.

Q. Are vou aware of the payment of a sum of $25,000 raised upon the
notes of Mr. H. J. Beemer to the election fund of 1887 ?— A. No.

Q. You have.no knowledge whatever of that payment ? — A. No knowledge
whatever.

Q. Have you any knowledge of any payments of money or valuable con-
sideration made out of subsidies granted to the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway, or out of any valuable security or money raised on the credit of these
subsidies for election purposes during the period of the construction of that
railway ? — A. No.

Q. Have you ever had any conversation with Sir Adolphe Caron
relating to any such pavment? — A. No.

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Q. Have 3-011 ever had any conversation relating to the granting of an]
subsidies to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company ? — A. Xo!
never.

Q. Have you ever had any conversation with him relating to thj
subscriptions by the said railways, or by the firm of Ross & Company, fd
election purposes ? — A. Never.

Q. You are, I suppose, in possession of the books of the late Honourabl
J. G. Ross ?— A. I am.

Q. To your knowledge, do those books contain any entries relating t
the subject of my previous question ? — A. 'None whatever ; not a trace.

Counsel for Sir Adolphe Caron does not cross-examine the witness.

And further deponent saith not.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do declare, under th
oath I have taken, that the above is a true and faithful transcript of the shoii
hand notes of the evidence of the above named witness.

Joseph Israel Tarte, Journalist, having been duly sworn, doth depos
and say : —

By Mr. Bisaillon, Q.C. :

Q. Were you one of the shareholders of the Temiscouata Railway ?-
A. Yes.

Q. You were also a director of that company ? — A. I am so still.

Q. You have been one ever since the first existence of the company ?-
A. If my memory serves me, I have been a director since 1884 or 1885 ; a
all events, I have been a director of the company for a very long period cj
time.

Q. That is to say, since the company was incorporated ; you were one 0
the directors since it was a mere project ? — A. Yes.

Q. Before it had received its act of incorporation, did you get subsidie
from the Dominion Government ? — A. I think that general subsidies ha»(
been voted ; I do not know whether those subsidies came from the Quebec 0
from the Dominion Government ; the subsidies belonged to companies wh
would fulfil certain conditions, and we were in that position.

Q. After the incorporation ot the Temiscouata Railway Company, di
you personally, in the interest of that company, take steps to secure subsidies
—A. It is very difficult to tell you in a company such as that what thing
in detail I did. I worked in a general way to promote the general interest
of our company.

<,). Do you say that you did not take steps, either by writing to minister
or by speaking to them ? — A. I cannot now say what I did ; .1 worked in th
interests of the company.

Q. Did you write to Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. I do not think so. '

Q. Did you write to the other ministers ? — A. I think I wrote to Mi
Pope. I worked in a general way at everything of a nature to interest sue
a company. I did what any man does who takes part in an affair of the kind

(I ion wrote in the press? — A. Yes, I wrote articles.

Q. Did you speak about the subsidies to Sir A. P. Caron ?— A. I ma,
have spoken to him about them as I spoke to Sir John Macdonald and Mi

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Pope. The fact is, I had been instructed by the Quebec Board of Trade to take
the matter in hand. I did all I could.

Q. The Temiscouata Railway Company contracted with Messrs. McDonald
& Boswell for the construction of the railway ? — A. Yes.

Q. You were one of the directors of the company at that date? — A. Yes.

Q. By the contract made by the company with Messrs. McDonald &
Boswell, the company transferred to those gentlemen all interests or all assets.
present and future ? — A. Yes.

Q. Had you an interview or interviews with Messrs. McDonald & Boswell
during the negotiations held in relation to the said contract ? — A. Oh, yes ;
the contract was discussed for quite a time.

Q. Are you aware that between the company and Messrs. McDonald vV
Boswell there was an agreement in relation to political purposes ? —A Oh,
no ; never.

Q. To your knowledge, was there between you or any of the directors
of the Temiscouata Railway Company any understanding, promise or agree-
ment with a view to obtaining out of the Dominion subsidies any sum of
money in the interest of the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or of the election of
any of his political friends ? — A. The thing was never mooted — never.

Q. Did the Temiscouata Railway Company, to your knowledge, directly
or indirectly, itself or through any of its directors, contractors or other persons,
as intermediaries, promise or agree to give, advance or subscribe, any sum of
money in the interest of Sir A. P. Caron, to promote his election or the elec-
tion of any other member supporting the Dominion Government of which Sir
A. P. Caron was and is a member ? — A. The company never subscribed for
Sir A. P. Caron nor any of the ministers.

Q. The directors or the contractors of the company never gave a sub-
scription ? — A. Of course, you do not want to ask me what I did with my own
money ; that is a horse of another colour.

Q. I speak of subsidy money ? — A. No.

Q. To your knowledge, did McDonald & Boswell, out of the subsidies, or
out of the credit of the subsidies, give any money for electoral purposes? — A.
! Never ; not to my knowledge. Thank God, the subsidy granted went to
build the railway.

Q. Did they undertake to subscribe, on the signing of the contract, any
Bum of money for the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or any other person ?— A.
Not to my knowledge.

Q. Do you know, as director, whether McDonald & Boswell used all the

subsidies for the building of the railway ? — A. Here is how I know it : I

: was in communication with their London banker, to whom they had given all

their subsidies to aid in the negotiation of the bonds. I took some share in

the negotiations in order to assist them.

Q. You have taken part in election matters ? — A. Very actively.

Q. You were one of the conservative leaders. As such, did you get any
sums of money for electoral purposes? — A. I did not receive a cent from them.

Q. Did any person, to your knowledge, receive from McDonald & Boswell
any part of the subsidies voted for the Temiscouata Railway ? — A. ]STo; I have
just told you ; they were absolutely applied to the construction of the road.
That is all I can say on that point.

Q. Did Sir A. P. Caron take steps to secure money from the directors or
from the contractors, for the elections? — A. I knowT what occurred in the
party ; nothing of the kind was done.

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Q. Can you state whether Sir A. P. Caron was au courant of the neg<
tiations had between the company or the directors and Messrs. McDonald
Boswell?— A. To my knowledge, Sir A. P. Caron was not- consulted,
myself, did not consult him.

Q You do not know whether he had knowledge thereof? — A. No.

Q. Did you speak to him on the subject? — A. I may have spoken to hi
about it. To tell the truth, I was not in favour of Messrs. McDonald & Boswel
I wanted that the company itself should build the road.

Q. Were the Dominion ministers, or Sir A. P. Caron, in favour of t
passing of the contract between the Temiscouata Railway Company an
McDonald & Boswell ? — A. I do not remember that ; we discussed the qu
tion as it affected the interests of the city and district of Quebec. We co
sidered the road to be the true short line. As to the negotiations,
conducted them alone.

Q. Are you aware of, or rather, was there, between the *temiscoua
Railway Company, or any of its directors, and McDonald & Boswell, an
understanding to the effect that a part of the consideration mentioned in t
contract was to go to Sir A. P. Caron, or to any person who was a Candida
for the House of Commons of Canada ? — A. The subject was not broached ;
have already said so repeatedly.

Q. Did you ever take steps, as a politician, to get money from tho
contractors ? — A. Those gentlemen must have subscribed, but the subject nev
was discussed.

Q. Did you know them to have subscribed for Sir A. P. Caron ? — A. A
I know about it is what I have been told this morning.

Q. Personally you have no knowledge of any understanding as to mo
or subscription ? — A. No.

Q. Can you say whether any sum of money derived from the subsidie
or being the result of credit resulting from the subsidies, was diverte
whether directly or indirectly, in aid of the election of Sir A. P. Caron, or
those supporting the Government of which he was a member ? — A. No
never.

Q. Or to help members supporting Sir A. P. Caron, or the Governmen
of which he is a member ? — A. No, not to my knowledge.

Q. Have you any paper, writing or document of a nature to show tha
engagements and promises were made on the part of McDonald & Boswell t
subscribe for political purposes ? — A. I have not a sheet of paper — nothing o
the kind.

Q. Do you mean to say that, so far as you know, from and out of thos
subsidies or other assets of the company, which, in pursuance of the contract
were transferred to McDonald & Boswell, no part whatever of the said con
sideratioD was to go to Sir A. P. Caron, or be used for his election, or th
election of anj of the members supporting the Government of which he form
pari '.'— A. Nothing of the kind was ever mentioned, and nothing of the kin(
was done; I am sure of it.

mi; Adolphe Caron, Postmaster-General of the Dominion of Canada
being dulj sworn, deposeth as follows: —

Examined by Mr. Ferguson, Q.C, of Counsel for Sir A. P. Caron:
Q. Sir Adolphe, yon are the Sir Adolphe Caron mentioned and referre(|
to in the Commission which is now being proceeded with? — A. I am.

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Q. You are a member of the Dominion Government ? — A. I am a mem-
ii r of the Privy Council and Postmaster-General in the Cabinet.

Q. How long have you been a member of the Government? — A. I have
•ivn a member of the Government since November, 1880.

Q. What portfolios did you hold? — A. Up to the one which I now hold,
w;i- Minister of Militia and Defence.

Q. Up to what time ? — A. Up to last January or February, I think.

Q. For what constituency did you sit when you first went into Parlia-
nent? — A. I was first elected in 1873, for the county of Quebec, which I
•epresented up to the last general election in 1 891 % when I was elected for the
•ounty of Rimouski, which I now represent,

Q. You resided, I believe, in the city of Quebec, up to the time you
)ecame a member ot the Government? — A. Yes. I removed shortly after I
vas sworn in as a member of the Privy Council. I removed from Quebec t*o
Ottawa, where I now reside.

Q. And you have resided there ever since ? — A. Yes.

Q. How long before you removed to Ottawa had you resided in Quebec?
—A. I was born in Quebec, and resided in Quebec up to the time I had
•emoved irom Quebec to Ottawa.

Q. You had lived in Quebec practically all your life ? — A. Yes.

Q. You are a barrister, I believe ? — A. I am a barrister.

Q. And you are. still connected with the bar? — A. Yes.

Q. You practised law actively up to the time that you went into the
government? — A. Yes.

Q. What was your firm at the time you went into the Government? — A.
\ndrews, Caron & Andrews.

Q. Of which you were a member? — A. Yes.

Q. Before you became elected to the House of Commons, had you taken
my active interest in politics ? — A. Yes, ever since 1872.

Q. You had, I believe, run in an election before that? — A.I was defeated
n the county of Bellechasse at the general election in 1872, by Judge Fournier,
jiow a member of the Supreme Court.

Q. I believe you were always a member of the conservative party ? — A.
i'es, and my father before me.

Q. You were, I believe, from the evidence, a director of the company
aiown as the construction company, for the construction of the Lake St.
Fohn Railway ? — A. I was.

Q. For how long before you became a member of the Government were
i'ou a director ? — A. I think I must have been a director from the time that
he company was organized, and in fact nominally lam still a director of that
ompany.

Q. How did you come to be a director of that company ? — A. I became
i member of the company from the interest which I took in the enterprise,
md from my connection more particularly with the county of Quebec, which
[ represented.

Q. How are you qualified as a director ? — A. I represented my firm of
Andrews, Caron & Andrews as a director of that company.

Q. You say that you represented them as a director. You were not an
ndividual shareholder ? — A. No.

I Q. The firm of which you are a member were the shareholders ? — A.
f es ; the stock which I represented was the stock of Andrews, Caron &
Andrews.

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Q. I think the amount of that stock was given in evidence as $25,0001
—A. Yes.

Q. Up to the time you became a member of the Government, did yol
take any particular interest in the alfairs of the company ? — A. Yes ; I used tejq
attend the meetings like the other directors.

Q. After you became a member of the Government, did you take ani
active part in the affairs of the company ? — A. From the moment that 1
removed to Ottawa I ceased to take any active part in the company — what |i
would call any business interests in the doings of the company.

Q. Were you familiar at all, or in fact were you aware really of thr]
business that was being conducted from time to time at the meetings of thlj
company ? — A. No ; I knew nothing about what was going on in the company ]
The only opportunities which I had of attending meetings were when 1
happened to be in Quebec and I might happen to drop in. It was more t|J
shake hands with my co-directors than to take any possible interest i:|1
the proceedings of the company. I knew too little about it to be able to bfl
of any use to them.

Q. You were present at two or three meetings, according to the evidenci
of the secretary of the company — one meeting of shareholders and two o|
directors. Have you any recollection of what took place at these meetings a
— A. No possible recollection. My recollection is, that I merely dropped ii
and exchanged a few words with the directors and walked out. I took nil
interest in what was going on. In fact, I knew too little about it to be abllj
to say anything about it.

Q. Have you any recollection of the terms of the contract between BeemeH
and the construction company being discussed when you were present ? — A *
I have no recollection whatever.

Q. Were you ever aware of the contents of that contract until this inveaj
tigation took place ? — A. No.

Q. Were you ever aware, up to the time this investigation took placc|
that there was any obligation on the part of the company to obtain or endeaj
vour to obtain further subsidies for the railway company ? — A. Not from thi
contract, but I should imagine the company would endeavour.

Q. You were not aware of any undertaking or contract on the part on
the company with Mr. Beemer to that effect ? — A. No, I was not.

Q. You were aware, of course, as a member of the Government, as weilj
as a member of the constituency in the district affected, that the company did
make application from time to time for further subsidies ? — A. Certainly.

Q. What position did you take with reference to these applications ? — A<
As a public man, representing a Quebec constituency, and as a Quebecer, |
helped as much as I could to obtain the subsidies for the purpose of building
the road.

Q. Why did you think yourself entitled to do so ? — A. I considered tha
it was of vital importance to the city of Quebec and to the county of Quebec]
to secure the building of that road. We required for commercial purposes and
for the prosperity of Quebec, a back country, which we had not until that roaaj
was built up.

Q. A n< I through that reason you considered it your duty, in the interests
of this part of the country, as well as the country at large, to support reason)
able applications for subsidies ? — A. Yes ; I did all I could for the building oj
tin' road.

Q. You knew, I believe, the late Honourable J. G. Ross? — A. I knew]
} iii a intimately.

>>■>■>

Edgar versus Caron.

Q, lie was a member of the firm — or was, I believe — really the firm of
s & Company ? — A. Yes ; the only member.

Q. How long had you known him before his death ? — A. I knew him as
back as my memory goes, but I knew him more intimately after I became
ember of the bar, and our offices being in lower town, where his offices
e, I had more opportunities of seeing him and knowing him than I had

IV.

Q. I believe he was a client or an occasional client of your firm ? — A. Yes ;
•nsulted us occasionally as counsel.

Q. What were your relations with Mr. Ross, apart from his being an
xjcasional client? — A. Well, I looked upon him as the best friend, almost, I had
Von i a business stand-point, and from the intimacy which existed between us.
Q. Had you resorted to him as a friend in business matters? — A. Yes, on
several occasions.

Q. And private matters? — A. Yes ; private matters and political matters.
Q. What was his position politically ? — A. Politically, he was a strong
•eliever in the policy advocated by the conservative party. He was a strong
jeliever in the National Policy, and took a prominent part in political matters
lown in our section of the country.

Q. How far back had he taken an active part and special interest in
political matters, as a member of the conservative party? — A. Well, the first
opportunity I had of knowing of his taking a prominent part in politics was
kvhen I fought my first fight in the county of Quebec, against the Honourable
Mr. Fabre, in 1873. He was a strong supporter of mine, and exercised his
afluence, which was considerable in the county of Quebec, to secure my
return as a member of the House of Commons.

Q. Did he ever take a personally active part in politics as a candidate? —
A. Yes ; he ran for Quebec Centre, against the late Honourable Mr. Cauchon,
in 1872, and I gave him my support. He also ran, I believe, in 1874.

Q. You know of his running more than once ? — A. I am quite sure he
ran in 1872, and I think once afterwards.

Q. You speak of him being strongly in sympathy with the conservative
party and the policy advocated by that party ? — A. Lie was.

Q. Had you ever, as a conservative — and as I suppose I might say, a

eading conservative, as you were in the district — had you ever applied to him

assistance for political purposes ? — A. I did on several occasions. He was,

in fact, the man who, from my intimacy with him and his great wealth, I used

to go to whenever I required help for the* party he supported.

Q. And you have gone on several occasions ? — A. On several occasions.
Q. And you have gone to him and got financial assistance from him for
xpenses in connection with elections ? — :A. I have on several occasions.

Q. That you have done on several occasions prior to 1887? — A. On
'several occasions.

Q. Now, in February or March, a general election took place for the House
of Commons of Canada ? — A. Yes.

Q. Did you apply to Mr. Ross, on the occasion of that election, for a
subscription to the election fund ? — A. I did.

Q. And what took place ? — A. I had in 1887 more particularly charge
of the district of Quebec. I called on Mr. Ross, as I have already stated I
had already done very frequently ; I laid before him what I considered to be
the position of the party in the district of Quebec. I pointed to him the
importance of the fight which we had to meet, and I told him that I had come

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to him to ask him to help in providing the funds which I considered to be!
necessary for the legal and legitimate expenses of the campaign.

Q. What was the result ? — A. We discussed the question together, anq
the result of it was that he told me he would give me $25,000.

Q. What did he do ? — A. The conversation took place one day, and the;
following day I had occasion to require some funds for the campaign, and l|
called on Mr. Ross. I got from him personally an amount which I would!
not be absolutely precise about, but it was between $5,000 and $10,000 on the]
first day. From his office I drove up to the office of the Honourable Thomas
McGreevy, a witness examined in this investigation. He was one of a com-1
mittee composed of three — the Honourable Sir Hector Langevin and myselfl
being two of the three and Mr. McGreevy being the third, and the treasurer!
for the purposes of that campaign. I took the money, which I had received!
from Mr. Ross, and handed it over personally to Mr. McGreevy, who received
it from me. He gave me a receipt for the amount, and in a period of time!
extending, probably, over seven or eight days — or ten days, possibly — I drew
it out at different periods. The different amounts up to the $25,000 which1
had been promised by Mr. Ross through me, and these different amounts I
placed in the hands of Mr. McGreevy, as I had done the first instalment, andj
got receipts from him. These amounts were distributed after a discussion
between the three members of that committee, Sir Hector Langevin, myseli
and Mr. McGreevy. They were distributed for what we considered to be'
legitimate and indispensable expenses of the various counties which we were
looking after in the district of Quebec.

Q. You say you got these different sums of money, amounting in all to
$25,000, from the Honourable Mr. Ross himself ?— A. I did.

Q. Personally ? — A. Personally.

Q. In what form ? — A. In bank bills.

Q. And you took it in that form to Mr. McGreevy ? — A. Yes ; I drove!
from his office to Mr. McGreevy's. The amount never left my hands until it;
was deposited into the hands of Mr. McGreevy.

Q. Were you ever informed that this money was to be reimbursed to Mr.
Ross by any person ? — A. I never was. He never mentioned it, and I had no
reason to imagine that it was not his personal contribution. I knew nothing
at all about anything connected with that amount until the time that I heard
the evidence that was adduced here.

Q. He never led you to believe it, or stated it to you ? — A. Never, directly
or indirectly.

Q. He never informed you otherwise than that this was his personal
contribution to this fund ? — A. No, he never did, never in any way.

Q. Was anything discussed at that interview at all between you and him
about this being given on any other account than simply as his personal, indi-j
vidual subscription to the election ? — A. Never. He never led me to believe,:
directly or indirectly, by anything that he said or did, that it was not hid
personal contribution.

u. I hid you any reason to believe differently up to the time the evidence]
was given here? — A. Never. I never had any reason to think that it wa^
other than his private subscription. In fact, in the House of Commons li
denied having knowledge of anything else except what I stated here.

<l Had you any conversation with H. J. Beemer with reference to this
subscription of $25,000 ? — A. Never, directly or indirectly.

Q, Did you ever make application to him for it ? — A. I never did.

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fco

Q. Did he ever tell you he had to pay it? — A. He never mentioned a
onl of it to me, and I never spoke to him about it. The only conversations
hk'lj took place were between Mr. Ross and myself. I knew nothing more
bout it.

Q. You are aware since the evidence was given here of certain entries
hich appear in a certain account in one of the books kept by Mr. II . J.

ler, with reference to the payment of this subscription of $25,000. You
re aware that certain entries are in evidence of that kind ? — A. I am aware
i what was stated here, but I know nothing else about it.

Q. Were you ever aware, up to the time you heard that evidence given,
iat there were any such entries in any books of Mr. Beemer's ? — A. No ; I
ever had any reason to believe it.

<l Were you ever aware that there were any notes given by Mr. Beemer
r by anybody else to reimburse Mr. Ross for that subscription ? — A. I cer-
tinly never knew anything about it until I heard it here. I do not even
now now that notes wrere given, except trom what I have heard.

Q. Did you ever, Sir Adolphe Caron, in the elections of 1882, 1887, or
1 891, apply to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, or to the
ompany called the Construction Company, or to Horace J. Beemer, for any
mscriptions to any of these general elections ? — A. I never did.

Q. Did you ever receive any such subscriptions from any of these parties?
,-A. I never did.

Q. Now, Sir Adolphe, you have, I have no doubt, read more than once
le charges which are the subject of this investigation against you ? — A. I
ave.

Q. Referring to charge three (3) on page 5 of the Commission, are you
ware that any portion of any of the subsidies which were granted by Parlia-
ment to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company were diverted from
ie purposes for which they were granted by Parliament for election purposes ?
-A. I have no reason to believe that they were diverted, and I have every
ason to believe that every subsidy granted for the building of the road went
lto the building of the road.

Q. You have no knowledge of any portion of any of these subsidies
!avmg been diverted in any such way ? — A. I have not.

Q. Therefore, I need scarcely ask you if you aided or participated in
iverting them ? — A. I never did.

Q. Have you any knowledge of any portion of these subsidies or of any
iioneys raised upon the strength of these subsidies, while they were under the
)ntrol in the hands either of the railway company, the construction company,
r Horace J. Beemer, being diverted from the purpose for which they were
panted to election purposes ? — A. I have not. As I have already stated, I
link the subsidies all wTent into the building of the road.

Q. Did you ever obtain or assist in obtaining from either of these
)mpanies, or from Mr. Beemer, the payment of moneys out of them for the
arpose of assisting in your own election or in the election of other members
' supporters of your Government ? — A. Never.

Q. Are you aware of any understanding or agreement whereby, in con-
aeration of the application or diversion of any of these subsidies to political
arposes, it was agreed that further subsidies should be given to that company ?
i-A. I am not aware.

Q. With reference to charge 5, are you aware of any portion of the
ibsidies granted by the Federal Parliament to the Temiscouata Railway

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189J

Company being diverted from the purpose for which they were ' voted, or (J
any moneys raised on the strength of these subsidies to aid in your election q
the election of any of your colleagues or supporters ? — A. I am not a wart
and never heard of it.

Q. Did you ever apply to or receive from the Temiscouata Railway Con
pany, or any of the directors of that company, or from McDonald & Boswefl
contractors, any money for the purpose of assisting or aiding in your electior
or the election of members and supporters of your Government out of tfci
subsidies voted to that company, or raised upon the strength of the subsidit
voted to that company ? — A. No ; I never applied or never got any from tlj
company, or any of the directors, or others connected with the company.

Q. You are not aware of any having been so obtained for the- purposes
mentioned ? — A. No.

Q. Are you aware of any understanding or agreement whereby an!
consideration or because of moneys having been so diverted from the subside,
of the Temiscouata Railway Company, further subsidies were promised A
given to them? — A. No; I have no knowledge of any such thing.

Q. Are you aware of, or did you take part in the misappropriation of an
of the subsidies to any of these two companies, or of any moneys 1 aised upd
the strength of these in any way, otherwise than for the purpose for whici
they were granted ? — A. I am not aware, and I never took part in any dive
sion of any money granted by Parliament for the building of any road.

Q. "Were an}^ moneys out of the said subsidies, or moneys raised on tlj
strength of these subsidies, in so far as you are aware, ever placed in yoil
hands for the purpose of corrupting the electorate of Canada ? — A. Never.

Q. Have you any understanding, when any of the subsidies to which !
have referred were granted or recommended, with either of these corn
panies or with any person or persons interested in these companies or in thes!
appropriations, that the moneys granted by Parliament in the shape of the*
subsidies, were to go to you for any purpose whatever ? — A. No.

Q. Have the moneys granted by Parliament, in the shape of subsidies i
these railway companies, so far as you are aware, been applied to the purpo.;j
for which they were granted by Parliament ? — A. Yes, as far as my knov
ledge goes, they have been.

Q. There was something said by Mr. Dean with reference to a specii
Recount, which he said appeared in the books of the Quebec Bank at Quebet
in your name, in the year 1891, for $2,000?— A. Yes; I heard what Mr. Dor
said about that account.

Q. Do you know what the deposit he refers to represents ? — A. Do yci
mean where it came from ?

Q. Yes ? — A. Yes ; I do certainly.

Q. Has it any connection directly, or indirectly, with either of the U\
railway companies mentioned in these charges, or with any of the contractor
directors or other persons named in this matter ? — A. It was a personal co
tribution from a personal friend of mine sent to me from Ottawa. It has i
connection whatever with any of the railways mentioned in this investigate
nor with the directors, nor any of the persons whose names have appean
during the investigation that is going on now.

( ). And from a person who had no connection, directly or indirectly, wi
these matters? — A. From a person who has no possible connection with any
the companies mentioned, or in fact any of the people mentioned in this, so f:
aa in v knowledge goes.

226

Edgar versus Caron.

Q. A person whose name you never heard mentioned in any way, in
connection with either of these companies ? — A. No; never.

Cross-examined by Mr. Archibald, Q.C., of Counsel for the Crown :

Q. Sir Adolphe Caron, when you applied to the Honourable "James G.
Ross for a subscription, you knew he was the president of the Lake St. John
Railway Construction Company ? — A. I did, sir.

Q.Did you know that at the time Mr. H. J. Beemer was obtaining
advances from Mr. Ross ? — A. I must have known it. I should imagine I
knew at the time. I cannot precisely say the nature of the agreement or
understanding.

Q. Of course, you knew that Mr. Beemer was actually constructing the
roacl ? — A. I knew that.

Q. Under a contract with the Construction Company. — A Yes ; I knew
that.

Q. Had you any previous experience of any such liberal contribution from
Mr. Ross as $25,000? — A. No, not that amount, but I had experience of very
| large contributions from him for election purposes.

Q. For his own elections? — A. And friends of the party.

Q. Had he been a large contributor to friends in the party before that? —
1 A. Yes ; I always applied to him.

Q. You never got a sum so large as that before ? — A. That was in the
general election of 1887, and it was for the whole district.

Q. Now, with regard to the Temiscouata Railway, had you any knowledge
of the negotiations between the company and McDonald & Boswell which
have been referred to in evidence ? — A. Not the slightest knowledge. I never
heard of it until I heard of it in this room, and I do not know what the nego-
tiation is even now, except what was said.

Q. You know, of course, that McDonald & Boswell were constructing
that road ? — A. Certainly.

Q. Under contract with the Temiscouata Railway Company ? — A. I had
occasion to know it as a public man, and as one of the members of the Railway
Committee of the Privy Council.

Q. Had the contract between that company and McDonald & Boswell
ever been submitted to the Railway Committee ? — A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Would it not, as a matter of course, go before the Railway Committee ?
I — A. If required to be submitted at all, the ordinary procedure would be to
submit it to the Minister of Railways. It would not come before us.

Q. And you do not remember to have seen the contract for the building
of the road ? — A. I never saw it.

Q. Then it is scarcely necessary to ask you whether you were aware of
any subsidiary contract ? — A. I am not aware of any.

Q. You heard the witness state that $25,000 of the consideration of the
contract was laid aside for political purposes ? — A. I knew nothing at all about it.

Q. You never heard of it ? — A. I never heard of it until I heard of it here.

Q. Did you ever receive any money that you had reason to believe was
part of the consideration of that contract, for political purposes ? — A. Never.

Q. You have heard what Mr. J. J. McDonald said about the election of
1891, that you asked him for a subscription on that occasion ? — A. I have tried
to recollect it. It is more than probable that I may have met him, as he said,
casually, and asked him to help the general election fund. I never got from
him anything that I recollect. If he contributed, he contributed to the
general fund, I should imagine.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893 j

Q. Do you remember asking any one to draw on him ? — A. Never.

Q. You have seen the orders which were produced by the Honourable
Thomas McGreevy, concerning that election fund of 1887? — A. I have.

Q. Do these constitute the only orders, so far as you remember, that you;
gave to Mr. McG-reevy concerning that election fund of 1887? — A. I cannot]
be positive. I had charge of the campaign. I was speaking in eight or ten
constituencies ; my time was fully taken up, and I cannot recollect whether
the ones that I saw produced here constitute all the orders that I gave, bud
all the orders which I did give bear my signature.

Q. Did you take any part in the distribution of any money for political;
purposes after it left the hands of Mr. McGreevy ? — A. Oh, yes ; very frequently,;
the candidates who were supporting the party, who had applied to me, verw
often would receive the money from me personally. At other times, if I was
busy in the constituencies close to Quebec, or in my own constituency — I was
fighting a very severe battle then in the county of Quebec — I would give an
order, and these gentlemen or some of their friends, bearers of these orders,-
would go to Mr. McGreevy and receive from the fund, and sometimes give)
receipts, I suppose.

Q. What I mean, Sir Adolphe, is this : did you take any part in the]
distribution of the money in its use in the counties? — A. I never did. After!
an application was made by the candidate we discussed it, and very often aj
larger amount was asked than was granted. The three members of the com-!
mittee discussed together, and we decided that such-and-such a county would)
receive so much. That amount was given to the candidate himself. Some-
times indifferent amounts before nomination day, or for the purposes of the
campaign fund, and these amounts were given to the candidate or to some
friends of his sent by him to receive it. Directly or indirectly, I had nothing
to do with the distribution, outside of giving these amounts to the candidates
who applied to me.

Q. And these amounts were given after discussion by the three members
of the committee of which you speak ? — A. Yes ; no amount to my knowledge
was ever given out until we three agreed that that amount should be
given.

Q. Did you have anything to do, or did you take part in the distribution
of any money in your own county ? — A. Well, I very likely have treated nry
case as I treated the cases of the others. The amount of money which we
considered should be alloted to the county of Quebec would be distributed id
the same way. Personally, I had not the time to distribute the money.

Q. You did not take any part in looking after election expenses and
paying the expenses as they came in? — A. No; what we used to do in m}j
experience of elections is, that we had a committee, and the committee wad
the channel through which the money was distributed.

Q. And all the funds raised for election purposes went into the hands o'
Mr. McGreevy, as treasurer ? — A. For the district of Quebec. I have been
speaking merely in so for as the district of Quebec is concerned.

Q. There were no other funds, except these, which were treated in tin
way you have described ? — A. No other funds that I am aware of.

Q. Have you any bank book which shows any entries relating to th<!
reception of any money or value from either of the companies mentioned ii
the Commission ? — A. I have not. The only bank book that I have is mj
private bank book. There is nothing in it connected with any entry or anything
that could lead to any information in reference to the two companies in quesj

228

Edflrar versus Caron.

r->

it. The only documents I have are the receipts from Mr. McGreevy for
e amounts I paid him.

(^ Have you got a cheque book or book of cheque stubs which would
show anything in relation to the matters concerned in this investigation ? — A.
I have not.

Q. No book of account, in which any account is kept relating to moneys
received for political purposes from the sources mentioned in the Commission ?
— A. No book of account of any kind.

Q. Have you with you the receipts which you received from Mr. McGreevy
for the amount to which you refer ? — A. I think I have.

Q. Have you any objection to produce that ? — A. No objection whatever.
I now produce a photographic copy of the receipts obtained by me from
the Honourable Mr. McGreevy, for the money handed by me to him as already
mentioned in nrv evidence. Exhibit APC 1.

Q. That is the only paper you have relating to the subject matter of
investigation ?— A. That is all.

And I, Thomas P. Owens, sworn stenographer, do declare, under the oath
I have taken, that the above is a true and faithful transcript of the shorthand
notes of the evidence of the above-named witness.

229

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 189S

EXHIBITS.

2083J

Exhibit " D " 1, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Auditor-General's Office,

Ottawa, 17th November, 1883.

Certified that the undermentioned entry be made. Dr.

Subsidy to Quebec and Lake St. John Railway... .$7,%644 45
Customs revenue —

For customs duties deducted $7,644 45

From Est. 1, paid by cert. 2083.

J. L. McDOtTGALL.
J. M. COURTNEY.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 17th November, 1883.

No. 9928.

To the Bank of Montreal,
Ottawa.

$24,355.55.

Pay to the order of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co., twent
four thousand three hundred and fifty-five fVo dollars — subsidy.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned,

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back : —

No. 2083. Cheque 9928.

For Deputy-Minister of Finance,

JAS. G. SCOTT,
Secty. and Treas.
Quebec and Lake St. John Ry. Co.
For credit Quebec Bank.
J. Stevenson,
' Cashier.

Bank of Montreal,
Ottawa, 17th November, 1883.

Auditor-General's Office.

Subsidy for ten miles at $3,200 per mile $32,000 00

Less amount to be credited to customs revenue 7,644 45

R. k C. cert. 285.
R.W.B.

$24,355 55

Received cheque for $24,355.55.

J. G. SCOTT, Secy.
230

Edfi-^r versus Caron.

Q. and Lake St. John Ry.

Certified that a cheque may issue in the favour of the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Co. for $24,355.55, twenty-four thousand three hundred and
fifty-five ,Vo dollars.
Charge to

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Subsidy, 46 Vic, ch. 25.

J. L. McDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Exhibit " D " 2, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.
No. 14813.

Finance Department, Canada,

$37,027. Ottawa, 5th May, 1885.

To the Bank of Montreal,
Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.,
thirty-seven thousand and twenty-seven dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, Deputy- Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor-General.

Xo. 4446. Cheque 14813.

Bank of Montreal,
' Auditor-General's Office. Ottawa, 5th May, 1885.

On account of subsidy per report Received cheque for $37,027.

of Chief Engineer, dated 8th J. M. GREATA,

April. 0. C. 22 April. Pro manager.

J. R. & C. Cert. 383
^ Certified that a cheque may issue
■£ in favour of Quebec and Lake
pj St. John Railway Co.

$37,027. Thirty-seven thousand and twenty-seven dollars.
* . Charge to subsidies to railways, Quebec and Lake St. John

8 | Railway, 46 Vic, chap. 25.
■^ J. L. McDougall, Auditor-General. r

Let a cheque issue. ~ S,

Fred. Toller, ° g!

Acting Deputy-Minister of Finance. ^

Duplicate. FOR CHARTERED BANKS. I

I, The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, Quebec, do here-
by appoint the manager of the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa,
their lawful attorney to receive from the Receiver-General of the Dominion

231

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1881

of Canada, or other person authorized to pay the same, all such sum or suni
of money as are now due, or may hereafter become due, and payable to the!
by the Government of the Dominion of Canada, and to give a receipt or receipj
for the same.

For the subsidy payable to this company upon 10 miles of the road froJ
station 2186 to station 2714 near the Riviere a Rioux at the rate of three thoi
sand two hundred dollars per mile.

L. R., J. G. S.
Witness our hands at Quebec, this 15th ^

day of August, one thousand eight > T. Lb DROIT, President.

hundred and eighty-four. J J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

Signed in presence of

A. Vallerand.

Exhibit "D " 3, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY COMPANY

TO QUEBEC BANK.

No. 2484. C. 222C!

Finance Department, Canada,
$38,373. Ottawa, 22nd September, 1885.

Merchants Bank, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank for the Quebec and Lake St. Johij
Railway Co. thirty-eight thousand three hundred and seventy-three dollars)

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy -Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor-General.
Endorsed on back : — Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank|

Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON,

Pro Manager,
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.
Pay Merchants Bank of Canada oi
order.

II. A. Sloane,

Pro Manager.
No. 896. Cheque 2484.

Auditor-General's Office. Merchants Bank,

Ottawa, 22nd September, 1885.
For amount of subsidy received cheque for $38,373 earned, per letter
from Chid" Engineer, 12th mat.

C. W. V. NOEL.
0. C. 15th inst. Teller.

R.W.B.

232

Edgar versus Caron.

Certified that n cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
lilway Co. for $38,373 (thirty-eight thousand these hundred and seventy-
tree dollars).

Charge to Subsidies and Railways.
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

J. PATTERSON,
Let a cheque issue. Asst. Auditor- General.

Fred. Toller,
Acting Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Kiit. 71<i. x --c

O.P. p ■/-/■

FOR CHARTERED BANKS.

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, hereby appoint

the manager of the Quebec Bank at Ottawa their lawful attorney, to receive
from the Receiver-General of the Dominion of Canada, or other person author-
ized to pay the same, all such sum or sums of money as are now due, or may
hereafter become due, and payable to them by the Government of the Dom-
inion of Canada, and give a receipt or receipts for the sarrie.
Witness my hand, at Quebec, this 12th ^)

day of September, one thousand V T. LeDROIT, President.

eight hundred and eighty-five. j J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

Signed in presence of

Alex. Hardy.

N.B. — No addition to the printed terms of this authority wTill be permitted.

Exhibit " D " 4, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.
No. 16621. C. 16.

Finance Department, Canada,

$27,840. Ottawa, 19th November, 1885.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, twenty-seven thousand eight hundred
and forty dollars, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.

Countersigned, R. W. BAXTER,

J. Patterson, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Asst. Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back : — Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank,

Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON,
Pro Manager,
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.
Credit Montreal Branch. H. A. Sloane,

Cert. No. 1707. Pro Manager.

Auditor-General's Office. No. 896.

233

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Quebec Bank, 22-9-85.
Amount, $27,840.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake Si
John Railway Co.

Subsidy due on 4th 10 mile sect. 0. C, 16th inst.

the sum of twenty-seven thousand eight hundred and forty T°A dollars.
Chargeable to subsidies to Railways.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

5 B. of M.

Cheque.

Bank.

Amount.

Finance
Ledger Foli
71 b. C. P.

Receipt.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

16621

Montreal.

$27,840 00

C.W.V.Xoei

Teller.

Let a cheque issue.

M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Exhibit " D" 5, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
£To. 17338. C. 1801

Finance Department, Canada,
$24,532. Ottawa, 20th January, 1886.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, twenty-four thousand five hundred an<|
thirty-two dollars, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor- General.

Kudorsed on back : —

Credit Montreal Branch.

Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDHSTGTON,

Pro Manager,
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.

G. W. Sloane,
Pro Manager.

234

Edgar versus Caron.

So. 896. Cert. No. 2524. Amount $24,532.

Auditor-General's Office,

Quebec, September 22nd, 1885.
Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake St. John
lway Co., on account of subsidy, 46 Vic, chap. 25, 48 and 49 Vic, chap.
L O.C. 18th inst. (Between 40th and 50th mile.) The sum of twenty-four
housand five hundred and thirty-two dollars.

R.W.B. J.P.

Chargeable to Quebec and Lake St. John Railway subsidy.
L L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.
Let a cheque issue.
W. Fitzgerald,

A sst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Finance
Ledger Folio.
716.
J.P.

Cheque.
17338

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$24,532.

Receipt.
S.Piddington.

Exhibit " D" 6, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

So. 17589.

96,000.

C. 259.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 22nd February, 1886.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank for the Quebec and Lake St. John
lailway Company, ninety-six thousand dollars. '

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

A sst. Auditor- General.

indorsed on back : —

Credit Montreal Branch.

R. W. BAXTER,

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank,
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON",

Pro Manager.
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.

G. W. Sloane,

Pro Manager.

235

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189.

No. 896. Cert. No. 2903. Amount $96,001

Auditor General's Office,

Quebec Bank, 22-9-85.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake
John Railway Co.

On account of subsidy, 0. C, 17th February,
the sum of ninety-six thousand T°o0o dollars.

J. P.

Chargeable to subsidies to railways, Quebec and Lake St. John Railwj

Finance,
Ledger Folio
716.

o. c.

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.

Cheque
17589.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$96,000 00l

Receipt.
C. W.Y. No

Let a cheque issue.

•

J. M. Courtney,"

Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Exhibit " D " 7, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,
Clerk E.

No. 1779.

$6,000.

Quebec Bank, Ottawa.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 22nd July, 1886.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Quebec and Lake St. John Raib
Company, six thousand dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor- General.

236

!ert. No. 199.

Edp;ar versus ( Jaron.

Amount, $6,000.
Quebec Bank, 17-7-86.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Co.

On acct. of subsidy, 0. C. 13th July, the sum of six thousand dollars.

R. W. B. J. r.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

J. Patterson, Finance

Asst. Auditor- General. Ledger Folio

jet a cheque issue. 428.

W. Fitzgerald, C. P.

Asst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque. | Bank.
1779 Quebec.

Amount.
$6,000

Receipt.
D. Hossack.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co. "}

> Power of Attorney.

to
Quebec Bank.

July 17th, 1886.

FOR CHARTERED BANKS.

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, of Quebec, hereby
appoints the manager of the Quebec Bank, at Ottawa, its lawful attorney,
to receive from the Receiver-General of the Dominion of Canada, or other
•person authorized to pay the same, all such sum or sums of money as are now
due or may hereafter become due and payable to it by the Government of
the Dominion of Canada and to give a receipt or receipts for the same.

Witness our hands at Quebec, this ^ m T T\-D/^Trn D -j ±

1f7,i , n T i ^ ,i ' -, ( T. LeDROIT, President.

17th day of July, one thousand > T n or^mm o *

: x.j. t- j j j • T-x • [ J. (j. SCOT1, Secretary.
eight hundred and eighty-six. J ^

Signed in presence of ) Alex. Hardy.
J A. Vallerand.

N.B. — No addition to the printed terms of this authority will be permitted.

237

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189|

Exhibit " D " 8, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 0303. C. 81

Finance Department, Canada,

$83,688. Ottawa, 9th October, 1886.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank, for the Quebec and Lake St. Jol
Railway, eighty-three thousand six hundred and eighty-eight dollars.

Countersigned, E. W. BAXTER,

J. Patterson, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Asst. Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back : —

Credit Montreal Branch.

No. 199. Cert. No. 1148.

Auditor-General's Office.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Ban]
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON,

Pro Manager,
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.
Walker,

Pro Manager.

Amount $83,68£|

Quebec Bank, 22-7-86.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake St
John Railway Co.

On account of subsidy, O. C. 29th Sept.

the sum of eighty-three thousand six hundred and eighty-eight T%% dollars.

J. P.

^ Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Finance.
Ledger Folic

428.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Cheque.
303.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.

$83,688.

Receipt.
C.W.V.Noel.

Let a cheque issue.

W. Fitzgerald,

Asst. De'p.-Min. of Finance.

238

Edgar versus Caron.
Exhibit " D " 9, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

No. 1836.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 13th December, 1886.

$3,310.

Quebec Bank, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.,
three thousand three hundred and ten T°o°o dollars.

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor- General.

R. W. BAXTER,

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

No. 199. Cert. No. 1941. Amount $3,310.

Quebec Bank, 17-7-86, 22-7-86.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Co.

On account of subsidy, 0. C. 7th inst.
the sum of thirty-three thousand and ten T0o°o dollars.

R. W. B.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Finance
Ledger Folio,

428.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General.

Cheque
3310.

Bank.
Quebec.

Amount.
$3,310.

Receipt.
1 D. Hossack.

Let a cheque issue.

W. Fitzgerald,
Asst. Dep.-3fin. of Finance.

1836.

c.s.s.

239

5G Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 1893

Exhibit " D " 10, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, B, C.

No. 1457. C. 11207!

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 23rd December, 1886.
§48,747.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Co., torty-eight thousand seven hundred and forty-seven T0o°o dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

A sst. Auditor- General.
Endorsed on back : —

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Pay to the Quebec Bank, !
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON,

Pro Manager,

Quebec Bank.)
The Quebec Bank,

Credit Montreal Branch.)
Per Manager.
Cert. No. 2085. Amount, $48,747.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. J ohn
Railway Co.

On account of Subsidy, O. C. 17th inst.

the sum of forty-eight thousand seven hundred and forty-seven T0o°o dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways. J. P.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. Immediate.

pq Finance.

Ledger Folio,
> 428.

J. L. McDoUQALL,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtnky.
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
1457

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.

$48,747

Receipt.
S. Piddington.

240

Edsrar versus Caron.

xhibit "D" 11, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAM EL,

Clerk, B. C.

». 2085. C. 94.

Finance Department, Canada,

}60,474. Ottawa, 15th February, 1887.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

ixty thousand four hundred and seventy-four TV dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, Deputy- Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back : —

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank,
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDHSTGTON,
Pro Manager,
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.
G. H. WOOD.

For collection and credit of Bank
of Montreal, Montreal.

E. S. Clouston,

Manager.

No. 199. Cert. No. 2772. Amount, $60,474.

Quebec Bank, 17-7-86, 22-7-86.
Auditor General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Co.

On account of subsidy, 0. C. 8th February.

for the sum of sixty thousand four hundred and seventy-four ^V°o dollars.

R.W.B. J.P.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways, Immediate.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Finance.
Ledger Folio,

428.

Receipt.
C.W.V.SToel.

J. L. Mc Doug all,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

27—16

Cheque I Bank.

2085.

Bk. ofM.

Amount.
§60,474.

241

56 Victoria, Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189.!

Exhibit "D" 12, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, RCA

JSTo. 4757. C. 79

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 31st August, 1887.
$103,479.
To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank for the Quebec and Lake St. Jon
Railway Co., one hundred and three thousand four hundred and seven ty-nirl
dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Countersigned, Asst. Deputy- Minister of Finance. I

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back : — - Pay to the order of the Quebec Ban

Montreal Branch,

S. PIDDINGTON,
Pro Manager.
The Quebec Bank,
per S.W.

No. 199. Cert. No. 505. Amount $103,47

Quebec Bank, 17-7-86, 22-7-86.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. Jol
Railway Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 25th August, for the sum of o:
hundred and three thousand four hundred and seventy-nine dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. J. P.

Finance
Ledger Folic

>"
p*

J. I j. \1< Dougall,

Audit or- General.

Le1 a cheque issue.

W. Fitzgerald,

Asst. iJep.-Mw. of Finance.

Cheque.
4757.

Bank.

Montreal.

Amount.
$103,479.

428.

Receipt.

Michael

for Quebec
Bank.

242

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "D" 13, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerh- R. C.

No. 5337.

C. 957.
Finance Department, Canada,

$85,814. Ottawa, 22nd October, 1887.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Co.

eighty-five thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Countersigned,

J. Patterscn,

Asst. Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back : —

Asst. Deputy Minister of Finance.

No. 199.

Cert. No. 1044.

Auditor-General's Office.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank,
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTON,
Pro Manager.
Quebec Bank, Ottawa.
The Quebec Bank,

Per S.W.

Amount $85,814.

Quebec Bank, 17-7-86, 22-7-86.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company, on account of Subsidy, 0. C, 11th October, inst.

for the sum of eighty-five thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars.
R.W.B. J. P.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Finance.

Ledger Folio.

428.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy- Minister of Finance.

27—16*

Cheque
5337.

Bank

Amount.

Montreal. $85,814.

Receipt.

J. H. PlNHEY.

243

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (So. 27.) A. 189c

Exhibit " D " 14, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

£To. 6858.

C. 325

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 9th April, 1888.
§42,720.
To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank, for the Quebec and Lake St. Joh
Kail way Co., forty-two thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Countersigned,
J. Patterson,

A sst. Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back :

Asst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

No. 197.

Cert. No. 2754.

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank
Montreal Branch,

S. PIDDINGTON,

Pro Manager,

Quebec Bank, Ottawa.

The Quebec Bank,

per S.W.

Amount $42,720

Quebec Bank, 17-7-86, 22-7-86.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. Joh:
Railway Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 30th March, for the sum of forty
two thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways, J. P.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. Immediate.

Finance,

P
&

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.
Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
6858.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.

$42,720.

Ledger Folio,

428.

Receipt.

C.W.V.NOELI

244

Edor-ar versus Caron.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

No. 9444. C. 1519.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 27th February, 1889.
$19,911.
To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway

Co.,

nineteen thousand nine hundred and eleven dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

A sst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Countersigned,
J. Patterson,

A sst. Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back : —

Pay to the order of the Quebec Bank,
Montreal Branch.

S. PIDDINGTQN,
P. Manager.
Bank Ottawa.
The Quebec Bank.

Per B. S.

Cert. No. 2424. Amount $19,911.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Co., on account of subsidy, O. C, 16th inst.

for the sum of nineteen thousand nine hundred and eleven dollars.

N.J.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- Genera I.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque Bank
9443. Montreal.

J. P.

Finance,

Ledger Folio,

471.

Amount Receipt.

,911. C.W.V. Noel.

245

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27/

A. 1893

Exhibit " D " 16, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.

No. 11755.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 25th October, 1889.
$38,440.
To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, for the Quebec and Lake St. John|
Railway Co., thirty-eight thousand four hundred and forty T°o°o dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back :— C. "W. V. NOEL,

Teller.

Quebec Bank, October 25th, 1889.

Ottawa, Ont.

Cert. No. 958. Amount, $38,440.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake St
John Railway Co., on account subsidy, 0. C. 12th October.

Main line $23,480

Chicoutimi branch 14,960

for the sum of

thirty-eight thousand four hundred and forty T0o°a dollars.

$38,440

pq Chargeable to Railway i
Quebec and Lake St.

rf J. L. McD.

Subsidies,
John Railway.

Finance.

Ledger Folio,

441.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.

Cheque.
11755

Bank.

Quebec.

Amount.
$38,440

Receipt.

S. PlDDINGTON.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtnky,
Deputy -Minister of Finance.

246

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "D" 17, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

tfo. 16581. C. 4955.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 16th January, 1891.
$20,800.
To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
.Jo., twenty thousand eight hundred dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,
ountersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

E. D. Sutherland,
For Auditor- General.

iEndorsed on back : — Pay to the order of Ross & Co., in Leg.

FRANK ROSS,
for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.
Ross & Co., in Leg.
per FRANK ROSS.
Pay to the order of Quebec Bank, Montreal,
for collection on account of the Quebec
Bank, Quebec.

JAMES STEVENSON,
General Manager.
For the Quebec Bank,
THOMAS McDOUGALL, Mgr.
per W.S.

Cert. No. 1593. Amount $20,800.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Co. on account of subsidy, O.C. 9th January, for the sum of twenty
thousand eight hundred dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies,

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, 50-51 Vic, chap. 34.

Finance,

Ledger Folio,

^533.

J. L. McDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

! J. M. Courtney,

I Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque. Bank

16581.

Montreal.

247

Amount. Receipt.

$20,800.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189;

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, Quebec, do herebj
appoint Frank Ross, Esquire, of Quebec, their lawful attorney, to receive froi
the Receiver-General of the Dominion of Canada, or other person authorize
to pay the same, all such sum or sums of money as are now due or may hen
after become due and payable to the company by the Government of thl
Dominion of Canada, and to give a receipt or receipts for the same, for th|
subsidies granted to the new line into the city, from Lorette via Charlesbour^
and to the bridge over the River St. Charles, amounting in all to sixty-eigl
thousand four hundred dollars. ($68,400.)

Witness our hand at Quebec, this 10th day of June, one thousand eigl
hundred and ninety.

E. BATJDET, Vice-President
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
Signed in presence of

A. Vallerand.

J. PlDDINGTON.

N.B.— No addition to the printed terms of this authority will be permitt<

Exhibit " D " 18, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 16797.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 13th February, 1891.

$1,400.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross, for Quebec and Lake St. John RailwaJ
Co., one thousand four hundred T0^ dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy -Minister of Finance

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back :— FRANK ROSS,

for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway

per ROSS in Liq.

JAMES GEGGIE.
For credit Quebec Bank.

J. STEVENSON,

Cashier.

248

Edsrar versus Caron.

e froa

lorizi

lert. No. 1812.
Vuditor-General's Office.

Amount, $1,400.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John

Railway Co., subsidy 0. C, 2nd February, for the sum of fourteen hundred
°ni % dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies. Finance

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. Ledger Folio

- ^ 51 Vic, cap. 3, and 52 Vic. cap. 3. 533.

4 m c. a. a.

eig

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

T. M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
16797

Bank. Amount.

Montreal. $1,400

Receipt.

Exhibit " D " 19, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

No. 16956. Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 20th February, 1891.
$15,150.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to order of Frank Ross, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.
fifteen thousand one hundred and fifty dollars.

R. W. BAXTER, •

Countersigned, Deputy-Minister of Finance.

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back :— FRANK ROSS,

For Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

JOHN" ROSS & Co.,
in Liq.

For credit Quebec Bank.

J. STEVENSON,

Cashier.
249

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Auditor-General's Office. Cert. No. 1892. Amount, $15,15(1

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. Johjf
Railway Company, subsidy on bridge across St. Charles River at Quebec
O.C. 17th February, for the sum of fifteen thousand one hundred and fiftj|
dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies. R.W.B.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, 53 Vic, chap. 7.

Finance,

Ledger Folio.1

533.

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
16956.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$15,150.

Receipt.

Exhibit " D" 20, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 17001. Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 27th February, 1891.
$26:300.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross, for Quebec and Lake St. John Railwa\
Co., twenty-six thousand three hundred dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

A sst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.
Countersigned,

E, D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

Endorsed on back :— FRANK ROSS,

For Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

JOHN ROSS, in Liq.
For Credit Quebec Bank.

J. STEVENSON,

Cashier

250

Edgar versus Caron.

at No. 1946. Amount, $26,300.

nli tor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. John
iihvay Company, subsidy, O. C, 2nd February (Lorette and Quebec), for
e sum of twenty-six thousand three hundred dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

W. F.

E. D. S.

L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor- General.
Let a cheque issue.

. M. Courtney,

Deputy- Minister of Finance.

C A. G.

Cheque Bank
17001. Montreal.

Amount.
$26,300.

Finance,

Ledger Folio,

533.

Receipt.

Exhibit "D " 21, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892%

GUSTAYE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

). 17718.

Finance Department, Canada,

;6,700. Ottawa, 30th April, 1891.

\) the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross for Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co.,
thousand seven hundred dollars.

Countersigned,

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General

indorsed on back : —

M. G. DICKIESON,

For Deputy -Minister of Finance.

Per FRANK ROSS,
JAMES GEGGIE.

For the Quebec Bank.

THOS. W. JONES.

Endorsation guaranteed. Acct.

251

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 183

Cert. No. 2463. Amount $6,71

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. Jc
Railway Co., on account of subsidy, O. C, 18th April, 1891, for the sui
sixty-seven hundred dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies. M. G. D.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. E. D. S.

51 Vic, cap 3. C. A. G.

Finance,
Ledger Fol
533. -

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.

Cheque
17718.

Bank
Montreal.

Amount
$6,700.

Receipt.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy-Minister of Finance.

■

Exhibit " D " 22, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,
Clerk, R.

No. 19555. Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 17th October, 1891.
$9,600.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross, for Quebec and Lake St. John Raib
Co., nine thousand six hundred dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Countersigned, Asst. Deputy-Minister of Finant

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor-General.

Endorsed on back :— FRANK ROSS,

For Quebec and Lake St. John Railway

JOHN ROSS & Co.

in Liq.
For deposit to credit of Quebec Bank, Quebe|

J. STEVENSON,

Gen. Manager.
252

Edgar versus Caron.

artificate No. 723.

udi tor- General's Office.

Amount $9,600.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Quebec and Lake St.
>hn Railway Company, on subsidy, bridge over St. Charles River, O.C. 11th
ctober, for the sum of ninety-six hundred dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, 33 Vic, chap. 7.

W.F.
E.D.S.

I. D. Sutherland,

For Audit or- General.

Let a cheque issue.

M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

C.A.G.

Finance

Ledger Folio,

'536.

Cheque. Bank.
19555. Montreal.

Amount. Receipt.

$9,600.

Exhibit " D " 23, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

so. 19855. Finance Department, Canada,

4,522.73. Ottawa, 13th November, 1891.

?o the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Frank Ross, for the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
way Co., four thousand five hundred and twenty-two Vo3o dollars.

W. G. DICKIESON,

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Countersigned,

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

indorsed on back :— FRANK ROSS,

For Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.
For deposit to credit of Quebec Bank,
Quebec.

J. STEVENSON,

Gen. Manager.

5G Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. ]

Amount, $4,5221

Certificate No. 994.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Quebec and Lake St. J

Railway Co., on acct. of subsidy, St. Charles River Bridge, 0. C, 15th Octo

for the sum of forty-five hundred and twenty-two r% dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies,

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, 53 Vic, cap. 2.

C. A. G.

Finance
^er 1
536.

Ledger F<

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

M. G. D.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy-Minister of Finance.
E. D. S.

Cheque
19855.

Bank
Montreal.

Amount.
$4,522 73

Receipt.

Exhibit " D " 24, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Statements of Warrants and Cheques taken to Quebec by M. G. Dickiee
under subpoena from the Royal Commission, on the charges against
A. P. Caron.

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Warrant signed by, for.

Bank.

Check signed by, for.

AmoujJ
of Che<i

Finance.

Audit.

Finance. Audit.

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254

Edgar versus (>ron.

Exhibit "DT" 1, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

Temiscouata Railway Co., in favour Chas. H. Pipon, Manager of the
>lson's Bank, Toronto.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

4905. Finance Department, Canada,

,946. Ottawa, 14th September, 1887.

the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Charles A. Pipon, Manager Molson's Bank, Toronto,
for Temiscouata Railway Co., forty-five thousand nine hundred and forty-six
dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. L. McDougall,
Auditor- General.

Marked on face : C. 5354. Credit Montreal Branch. Paid, Sept. 20th,
1887. Ottawa.

Marked on the back : Chas. A. Pipon, Manager. For collection and
credit of the Molson's Bank, Toronto, C. A. Pipon, Manager. For the Mol-
son's Bank, Jas. Elliot, Manager. Per H.W.

No. 1087. Finance Department, Canada,

S10,000. Ottawa, 14th September, 1887.

Molson's Bank, Montreal.

Pay to the order of Charles A. Pipon, Manager Molson's Bank, Toronto,
for Temiscouata Railway Co., ten thousand dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy- Minister of Finance.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.

Marked on the face : C. 5353. The Molson's Bank, Montreal. Paid.
Marked on the back : Charles A. Pipon, Manager. For collection and
credit of the Molson's Bank, Toronto. C. A. Pipon, Manager.

No. 669. Cert. No. 669. Amount, $55,946.

Chas. A. Pipon, Manager,

Molson's Bank, Toronto, 4-8-87, 14-9-87.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Temiscouata Railway Co.,
on account of subsidy, O.C. 9th September inst., for the sum of fifty-five
j thousand nine hundred and forty-six dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways, Finance,

Temiscouata Railway. Ledger Folio,

I Finance Dept,, 14th Sept., 1887. 436.

I Auditor-General's Office, 14th Sept., 1887. J.L.McD.

255

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

W. Fitzgerald,
Asst. Dep.-Min. of Finance.

Cheque.

1087

Bank.
Molsons,

4905 \ Montreal.

Amount.

$10,000

45,946

$55,946

A. 18!

Receipt.

(Duplicate.)

FOR CHARTERED BANKS.

We, the Temiscouata Railway Company, Riviere du Loup, hereby appoii
Charles A. Pipon, Manager of the branch of the Molsons Bank in the city
Toronto, our lawful attorney, to receive from the Receiver-General of tl
Dominion of Canada, or other person authorized to pay the same, all sue
sum or sums of money as are now due or may hereafter become due and
able to us by the Government of the Dominion of Canada, and to give
receipt or receipts for the same.

Our corporate seal and the signature of the president.

Witness my hand at Riviere du Loup, this")

fourth day of August, one thousand V A. R. McDONALD,

eight hundred and eighty-seven. J President, Temiscouata Ry.

Signed in presence of E. H. Creau, Secretary, Temiscouata Ry. Co.

N.B. — No addition to the printed terms of this authority will be permitte

Exhibit "DT" 2, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

No. 5110. Finance Department of Canada,

$54,248. Ottawa, 5th October, 1887.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Molsons Bank, Toronto, for Temiscouata Railway C(
fifty-four thousand two hundred and forty-eight dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Per Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Countersigned,

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General.

Marked on face : C. 6349. For collection and credit of Bank of Montreal}
Toronto. Paid 10th October, 1887. C. Brough, manager, Bank of Montreal

Marked on the back : Chas. A. Pipon, manager. For collection an<
credit of the Molsona Bank, Toronto, C. A. Pipon, manager. The Molson!
Bank, Toronto, 6th October, 1887.

256

Edgar versus Caron.

No. 669. Cert. No. 863. Amount, §54,248.

Molsons Bank, Toronto, 4-8-87, 14-9-87.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Temiscouata Railway Co.,
:>n account of subsidy, 0. C. 1st October inst., for the sum of fifty-four thou-
sand two hundred and forty-eight dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways, ! Finance,

Temiscouata Railway. Ledger Folio,

R.W.B. J. L. McD. 436.

Receipt.

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor- Genera I.

Cheque
5110.

Bank
Montreal.

Amount.

$54,248 00

Let a cheque issue.

W. Fitzgerald,
Asst. Dep.-Min. of Finance.

Exhibit " DT " 3, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

So. 5676. Finance Department, Canada,

^44,806. Ottawa, 29th November, 1887.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Charles A. Pipon, manager of Molsons Bank, Toronto,
for the Temiscouata Railway Co., forty-four thousand eight hundred and six

lollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Asst. Deputy- Minister of Finance.

ountersigned,
J. Patterson,

Per Auditor- General.
Marked on face : Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. Paid December 2, 1887.
Marked on the back : Chas. A. Pipon, manager. The Molsons Bank,
Toronto, 30th November, 1887. For collection and credit of Bank of Montreal,
Toronto, C. Brough, manager.

ro. 669. Cert. No. 1499. Amount, §44,806.

Charles A. Pipon, Manager,

Molsons Bank, Toronto, 17-9-87.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
po., on account of subsidy, O. C. 28th November, inst., for the sum of forty-
libur thousand eight hundred and six dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railwavs.

257
27—17

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

Finance Department, Canada, 28th Nov., 1887.
Auditor-General, Canada, 29th Nov., 1887.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

"W. Fitzgerald,

Asst. Dep.-Min. of Finance.

Cheque.

5676.

Bank.

Amount.

Montreal, i $44,806.

A. lsa;
J.p.

Finance,

Ledger FolLj

436.

Receipt.

A. Crawley.

Dept. of Rys

and Canal

Exhibit " DT " 4, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

No. 5995. Finance Department, Canada,

$11,184. Ottawa, 31st December, 1887.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Charles A. Pipon, manager Molsons Bank, Toron
for the Temiscouata Railway Company, eleven thousand one hundred a:
eighty-four dollars.

E. W. BAXTER,

For Deputy-Minister of Finance.
Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor- General.

Marked on face : Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. Paid 5th January, 188
Marked on the back : Chas. A. Pipon, manager the Molsons Ban

Toronto, Ont, 31st December. For collection and credit of Bank of Montrea

Toronto, C. Brough, manager.

No. 669. Cert. No. 1806.

Audit ar-( Jcneral's Office.

Amount, $11,18*
Chas. A. Pipon, Manager,

Molsons Bank, Toronto, 14-9-87.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railwa
Company, on account of subsidy, 0. C. 17th December inst., for the sum <
eleven thousand one hundred and eighty-four dollars.

( 'hargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Temiscouata Railway.

258

Edgar versus Carou.

Finance Department, Canada, 30th Dee., 1887.
Auditor-General, Canada, 30th Dec., 1887.
R.W.B.

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.
Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
5995.

Bank. Amount.
Montreal. $11,184.

Finance,

iLedger Folio,

436.

Receipt.

A. P. B.

30 Dec, 1887.

Exhibit "DT" 5, for the Crown; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerh B.C.

Finance Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 13th February, 1888.

No. 6422.

$50,500.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of Chas, A. Pipon, Manager Molsons Bank, Toronto,
for Temiscouata Railway Co., fifty thousand five hundred dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Asst. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Countersigned,

J. Patterson,

For Auditor-General.

Marked on the face : Paid. Bank of Montreal, February 17th, 1888.
Ottawa.

Marked on the back : A. B. Proderick, pro manager. Molsons Bank,
February, 1888, Toronto. For collection and credit of Bank of Montreal,
Toronto.

No. 669.

Cert. No. 2276.

Amount, $70,500.
Chas. A. Pipon, Manager,

Molsons Bank, Toronto, 4-8-87, 14-9-87.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temis-
couata Ry. Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 8th inst... $50,500

J. D. Silcox & Co., on account drawback.. 20,000

for the sum of seventy thousand five hundred dollars.

259

$70,500

27— m

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 18931

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.

Temiscouata Railway $50,500

Murray Canal— Capital 20,000

J.P.
Marked on face : Finance Department, February 13th, 1888. Exd., C.C.G.

Finance,

Ledger Folio,

436-175.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Dep.-Min. of Finance.

.Auditor-General, February 13th, 1888, Canada.

Cheque.
6422
6423

Bank.

Montreal.

Amount.

$50,500

20,000

$70,500

Receipt.

J.W. de C.
O'Grady.

Exhibit " DT " 6 ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

No. 7291. Finance Department, Canada,

$33,000. Ottawa, 6th June, 1888.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Temiscouata Railway Co., thirty-three
thousand dollars.

J. M. COURTNEY,

Countersigned, Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Pro Auditor- General.

Marked on the face : Bank of Montreal. Paid. June 6th, 1888. Ottawa

Cert. No 3287.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 6th hist., for the sum of thirty-three thousand
dollars. J.M.C. J.P.

J. W. de C. O'GRADY.
Auditor-General, June 6th, 1888.

Finance

Ledger Folio,

436.

260

Amount, $33,000.;

Edsrar versus Caron.

Cheque.
7291

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$33,000

Receipt.

J. Patterson,

As st. Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Dep.-Min. of Finance.

"We, the Temiscouata Railway Company, hereby appoint the manager of
the Bank of Montreal, in Ottawa, our lawful attorney, to receive from the
Receiver-General of the Dominion of Canada, or other person authorized to
pay the same, all such sum or sums of money as are now due, or may here-
after become due and payable to us by the Government of the Dominion of
Canada, and to give a receipt or receipts for the same.

Witness, the hand of our president, at Riviere du Loup, this third day
of March, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight, and the corporate
seal of the company.

a. r. Mcdonald,

Signed in presence of President, Temiscouata Railway Co.

E. W. Creau, Secretary, Temiscouata Railway Go.
N.B. — No addition to the printed terms of this authority will be permitted.

Exhibit "DT" 7, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. G

No. 7822. Finance Department, Canada,

$21,000. Ottawa, 27th July, 1888.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Temiscouata Railway Co., twenty-one
thousand dollars.

R. W: BAXTER,
Countersigned, Acting Deputy- Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Asst. Auditor-General.

Marked on the face : Bank of Montreal. Paid. July 27, 1888. Ottawa.

Cert. No. 176. Amount, $21,000.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Temiscouata Railway Co.,
on account of subsidy, O.C. 25th inst, for the sum of twenty-one thousand
dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Temiscouata Railway.
Finance Department, Canada, 27th July, 1888.
Auditor-General's Oflace, 27th July, 1888.
R.W.B.

261

J. P.

Finance

Ledger Folio,

436.

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 1893

J. Patterson,

For Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

R. W. Baxter,

Actg. Dep.-Min. of Finance.

Cheque. I Bank.

7822.

Montreal.

Amount.
$21,000

Receipt.

C. A. Eliot,

pro MgrJ
27-7-88.

Exhibit "DT" 8, for the Crown ; filed 20th December, 1892.

GTTSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
No. 8139. Finance Department, Canada,

$61,464. Ottawa, 8th September, 1888.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. /

Pay to the order of yourselves, for the Temiscouata Railway Co., sixty-|
one thousand four hundred and sixty-four dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,
Countersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor- General.
Marked on face : Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. Paid 8th September, 1888. |

Cert. No. 549. Amount, $61,464.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway]
Co., work done, 0. C. 5th inst., for the sum of sixty-one thousand four hundre
and sixty-four dollars.

Chargeable to Temiscouata Railway Subsidy,
Subsidies to Railways.

Finance Department, Canada 8th Sept., 1888.
Auditor-General, Canada, 8th Sept., 1888.
RW.B.

; Cheque
J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General. 8139.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Bank
Montreal.

Amount
$61,464.

Finance,

Ledger Folic

436.

Receipt.

J. W. de C

O'Grady.

2G2

Ederar versus Caron.

Exhibit "DT" 9, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

So. 8346. Finance Department, Canada,

J10,000. Ottawa, 6th October, 1888.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. '

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Temiscouata Railway Co., ten thou-
;and dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,
For Deputy- Minister of Finance.
Countersigned,
J. Patterson,

Actg. Auditor-General.
Marked on face : Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. Paid. October 6th, 1888.

Cert. No. 776. Amount, $10,000.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Temiscouata Railway Co.,
on account of subsidy, O. C. 25th September last, for the sum of ten thousand
dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Temiscouata Railway.
Finance Department, Canada, 6th October, 1888. Finance,

Auditor-General, Canada, 5th October, 1888. Ledger Folio,

R.W.B. J. W. 435.

J. L. McI)0UGALL,

Auditor- General.
Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque Bank

Amount

8346.

[Montreal. j! $10,000.

Receipt.

J.W.deC.
O'Grady.

Exhibit " DT " 10, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
No. 8741. Finance Department, Canada,

£59,006. Ottawa, 27th November, 1888.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for the Temiscouata Railway Co., fifty-
nine thousand and six dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,
Countersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Actg. Auditor-General.

Marked on the face : Bank of Montreal. Paid. Ottawa, 27th Nov., 1888.

263

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27:)

A. 18&

Amount, $59,006

Cert. No. 1252.

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 23rd inst, for the sum of fifty-nine thousanc
and six dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Temiscouata Railway.
Finance Department, Canada, 27th November, 1888.
Auditor-General, Canada, 27th November, 18*8 J. P.

R.W.B.

Finance

^er ]

435.

Ledger Folio,

J. L. McDougall,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque.
8741

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$59,006.

Receipt.

C. A. Eliot,
pro Mgr.l

27-11-88.

Exhibit " DT " 11, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 9250. Finance Department, Canada,

$11,746. Ottawa, 1st February, 1889.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves ,for the Temiscouata Railway Co., elev(
thousand seven hundred and forty-six dollars.

W. FITZGERALD,

Countersigned, Actg.. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. Patterson,

Actg. Auditor-General.
Marked on face : Paid. Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Cert. No. 1874. Amount, $11,7'

Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railw*
Co., on account of subsidy, O.C. 22nd inst., for the sum of eleven thousai
seven hundred and forty-six dollars. •

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways.

Finance Department, Canada, 1st February, 1889.
Auditor-General, Ottawa, 31st January, 1889.

Finance,

Ledger Foli

436.

2(14

Edsrar Versus Caron.

r. L. McDouoall,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

T. M. Courtney,
mputy-Minister of Finance.

Cheque
9250.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$11,746.

Receipt.

J. W. de C.
O'Grady.

Exhibit " DT " 12, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

^o. 1061. Finance Department, Canada, C. 3953.

Ottawa, 23rd January, 1890.
Bank of Toronto, Toronto.

Pay to the order of Bank of Montreal, for the Temiscouata Railway Co.,
bur thousand three hundred dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Marked on face : 1047. Paid. No. 20. Paid.

Marked on back : Bank of Montreal, Toronto. 24th January, 1890.
For collection and credit of Bank of Montreal, Toronto. C. Brough, manager.
IFor collection and credit of Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. F. Gundry, manager.

STo. 12667. Finance Department, Canada,

170,000. Ottawa, 23rd January, 1890.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for the Temiscouata Railway Co., seventy
jhousand dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,
'ountersigned, Acting Deputy -Minister of Finance.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

Auditor- General.
Marked on face : Paid. Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. 23rd January, 1890.

xert. Xo. 1743. Amount, §74,300.

Auditor-General' s Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
3o.. balance of subsidy, O. C. 15th January, for the sum of seventy-four thou-
sand three hundred dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies,

Temiscouata Railway, 48-9 Vic, cap. qS.

265

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 189i

Finance Department, Canada, 23rd January, 1890.
Auditor-General's Office, Canada, 22nd January, 1890. •

J. L. McD.

J. L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,

Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Cheque.

1061.

12667.

Bank.
Toronto.
B. of M.

Amount.
$4,300.
70,000.

Finance, !
Ledger Folic]
557.

Receipt.

J. M. de C.
O'GradI

$74,300.

Exhibit "DT" 13, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Xo. 162.1. Finance Department, Canada,

$48,520. Ottawa, 17th December, 1890.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for the Temiscouata Railway Co., foi
eight thousand five hundred and twenty dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

Countersigned, Actg. Deputy-Minister of Finance.

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

Marked on the face: Bank of Montreal. December 17th, 1890.
Ottawa.

Cert. Xo. 1336. Amount, $48,51

Auditor-General's Office,

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Raib
Co., on account of subsidy, St. Francis Branch, O.C. 5th inst, for the sum
forty-eight thousand five hundred and twenty dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,

Temiscouata Railway, 51 Vic, cap. 3.

Finance Department, December 17th, 1890. R.W.B. E.D.S.

Finance,
Ledger Folio,!
532.
266

Edgar versus Caron.

L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.

at a cheque issue.

r. Fitzgerald,

issf. Dep.-Min. of Finance.

Cheque.
16221

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.

$48,520

Receipt.

J.W.deC.
O'Grady.

uditor-General's Office, Canada, December 16th, 1890.

Exhibit " DT" 14, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

o. 16614. Finance Department, Canada,

34,250. Ottawa, 20th January, 1891.

o the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for the Temiscouata Railway Company,
lirty-four thousand two hundred and fifty dollars.

R. W. BAXTER,

ountersigned, For Deputy-Minister of Finance.

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor-General.

Marked on face : Paid. Bank of Montreal, Ottawa, 26th Jan., 1891. 2nd
eller.

ert. Ko. 1621. Amount, $34,250.

.uditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
'o., on account subsidy, O. C. 16th inst., St. Francis Branch, for the sum of
lirty-four thousand two hundred and fifty dollars.
Chargeable to Railway Subsidies,

Temiscouata Railway, 51 Vic, cap. 3.
inance Department, Canada, 20th January, 1891. Finance,

uditor-General's Office, Canada, 20th Januarv, 1891. Ledger Folio,

R.W.B. per E.D.S. 532.

L. McDoUGALL,

Auditor-General.

Let a cheque issue.

M. Courtney,
?puty-31inister of Finance.

Cheque. Bank.
16614. Montreal.

Amount.
S34,250.

Receipt.

J. W. de C.
O'Grady.

267

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18

Exhibit "DT" 15, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C. |

No. 19441. Finance Department, Canada,

$13,395. Ottawa, 9th October, 1891.

To the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Temiscouata Railway Co., thirto
thousand three hundred and ninety-five dollars.

Countersigned,

E. D. Sutherland,

For Auditor-General,

W. FITZGERALD,

Asst. Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Amount, $13,3:

Marked on the face : No. 20.

Cert. No. 614.
Auditor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of Temiscouata Railway C[
on account of subsidy, O.C. 2nd October, for the sum of thirteen thousj
three hundred and ninety-five dollars.

Chargeable to Railway Subsidies, Finance

Temiscouata Railway, 51 Vic, cap. 3. ; Ledger F(
Finance Department, Canada, 9th October, 1891. 535.

C.A.G.

Cheque.
19441.

J. L. MCDOUGALL,

A uditor- Genera I.

Let a cheque issue.

J. M. Courtney,
Deputy- Minister of Finance.

Auditor-General's Office, Canada, 8th October, 1891.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$13,395

Receipt

J. W. cle C.
O'Gi

2(58

891.

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "DT" 16, for the Crown ; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

CleH; E. C.

o. 20203. Finance Department, Canada,

U,435. Ottawa, 23rd December, 1891.

the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa.

Pay to the order of yourselves, for Temiscouata Railway Co., forty-one
msand four hundred and thirty-five dollars.

intersigned,

E. A. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

M. G. DICKIESON,
For Deputy -Minister of Finance.

Marked on face : Bank of Montreal, Ottawa. Paid, 23rd December, 1891,

ert. No. 1306. Amount, $41,435.

editor-General's Office.

Certified that a cheque may issue in favour of the Temiscouata Railway
:0., on account of subsidy, O.C. 19th December, for the sum of forty-one
lousand four hundred and thirty-five dollars.

Chargeable to Subsidies to Railways,
Temiscouata Railway,
finance Department,-Canada, 28th December, 1891.

C. A. G.

Finance,

Ledger Folio,

535.

t D. Sutherland,

For Auditor- General.

Let a cheque issue.

[. G. DlCKlESON,

For Dep.-Min. of Finance.
E. D. S.

Cheque.
20203.

Bank.
Montreal.

Amount.
$41,435.

Receipt.

J. W. de C.

O'Grady.

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Edg-^r versus Caron.

Exhibit "LJ" 1, for the Crown ; tiled 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL. .
• Ottawa, 30th April, 1883.
Honourable Sir Charles Tupper,

Minister of Canals and Railways,
Ottawa.
Sir, — Inclosed the petition of E. Beaudet, Esq., Vice-President of Lake
St. John Railway, which I pray you will take into your favourable
consideration.

I remain, sir, yours, &c, &e.,

SIMON X. CIMOK

(Translation.)

To Sir Charles Tupper,

Minister of Railways.

The petition of the Lake St. John Railway Company respectfully
showeth :

That in pursuance of the Act 45 Victoria, chapter 14, there was granted
to petitioner a subsidy of $384,000, being at the rate of $3,200 per mile of
petitioner's railway, calculated on an estimated length of 120 miles, being the
length of the line from St. Raymond to Lake St. John ;

That your petitioner is informed that the intention of the Executive was
to grant the said subsidy of $3,200 per mile on the whole extent of the said
iroad from the said place, St. Raymond, to Lake St. John, and that the figure
of 120 miles was inserted in the estimates as being the real distance between
: the said two points to be traversed by the said road ;

That in reality the exact length of the said road between St. Raymond
and Lake St. John is 145 miles, and that by reason of the error aforesaid,
petitioner would be placed in the position of receiving the said subsidy for
I only a part of the said road, that is to say, 25 miles less than its real length ;

That petitioner is anxious to complete the whole of the said Hue of rail-
way within a short period, but that the said error is an obstacle of serious
import to the completion of the negotiations necessary thereto ;

That, moreover, circumstances which have lately arisen, and the nature of
| the ground, render almost indispensable the construction of a line of the said
railway from St. Ambroise to the city of Quebec, independent of every other
line, and that in case the said subsidy were made uniform for the whole extent
of the railway, namely, for the distance irom St. Raymond to Quebec, some
thirty miles, petitioner would be enabled to build the said independent line
from St. Ambroise to Quebec, and would bind himself to construct it with grades
of 80 feet to the mile, in place of 132 feet to the mile, as on the present road ;

That this improvement would render the said road a first class road
and independent of other roads ;

That the two sections form a total of 55 miles, and require a total subsidy
"f s 176,000, wherefore, your petitioner, in view of the facts above set forth,
respectfully asks a grant ;

And will ever pray.

E. BEAUDET,

Vice-President.
Quebec, 25th April, 1883.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189]

Ottawa, 26th April, 1883.

TVe, the undersigned, having considered the aforesaid petition, herel
approve of the same in all points, 'commend it to the favourable attention
the Executive, and respectfully request that its prayer he granted.

C. A. LESAGE, L. L. L. DESAULNIERS,

SIMON X. CIMON, JOS. P. BORIE,

J. A. GAGNE, L. H. MASSUE,

A. C. P. R. LANDRY, G. A. GIROUARD, and 29 oth<

J. DUVAL,

Sir Leonard L. Tilley,

Minister of Finance,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Inclosed the petition of E. Beaudet, Esq., Vice-President of Lai
St. John Railway, which I pray you will take into your favoural
consideration.

I remain, sir, yours, &c, &c,

SIMON X. CIMON.

Ottawa, 1st May, 1883.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals,

Ottawa.

Sir, — I have the honour, by direction of Sir Leonard Tilley, to encbsl
herewith the petition of E. Beaudet, Esq., Vice-President of the Lake S
John Railway, praying that the Act of last session, 45 Vic, c. 14, granting
subsidy to the railway, may be amended by granting the additional amount d
$176,000, on the grounds that the line will be on completion 25 miles mor!
than was estimated, and it is necessary to build a branch of 30 miles more.

Sir Leonard wishes the Minister of Railways to take the matter int
consideration.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. M. COURTNEY.

Exhibit " LJ " 2, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

(QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Quebec, 4th May, 1883.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Railway Department, Ottawa.
Sir, — 1 beg to inclose a specification of the railway being constructed b
this company, together with a certificate from the chief engineer, to the efiet
that the section for the subsidy upon which payment is now asked is a fai
average as to quantity of work and cost of the whole road. I also send you b
express a tracing of plan of location of the line, from St. Raymond to Lak|
St. John, and also a tracing of the profile of the same, both approved by th

272

Edffar versus Caron.

def engineer of the Province of Quebec, under whose instructions the survey
is made. Mr. W. W. Baby will call upon you to sign the necessary
lvciuent.

T am, sir, your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

"A."
Quebec and Lake Saint John Railway — Specifications and Descriptions.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line, with gauge four feet eight
id one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments and gradients and curvature shall be the best the
rysical features of the country will admit of. The maximum grade of the
unk line not to exceed one hundred and six feet to the mile, with two
:ceptions, at about the 12th mile from St. Raymond and near Lake St. John,
here gradient of 118 ft. per mile may be used, and the minimum curvature
)t to be less in radius than 717 ft., or 8°, with the exception of two short
irves of 600 ft. radius, at about the 86th mile.

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
38 than thirty-three feet on each side of centre of line, all trash and logs
ust be completely burnt up, and none thrown on to the adjacent lands.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
iree feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in depth.
, 5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
et and more than two feet in height.

6th. Through settlements, the railway must be inclosed with substantially-
lilt legal fences.

7th. Road crossings with cattle-guards and sign boards shall be provided
herever required.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation shall be twenty feet ; embank-
ents fifteen feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided, either by open ditch or under
'ains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
id strength for the purpose intended. Piers and abutments of large bridges
id culverts must be of massive stone masonry or iron, made of durable and
itable materials, thoroughly permanent in character and in every essential
irticular equal to the best description of like work employed in similar
ilway work in the Dominion.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weight fifty-six pounds per lineal yard, of
•proved pattern, and with the most approved fish or scabbard joint.

12th. The roadway must be well ballasted with clear gravel or other
itable material.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation shall be provided by the company,
may be necessary to meet the requirements of the traffic.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate the business of the
ae shall be provided by the company, with stations and terminal accommoda-
pns, including engine sheds, turntables, shops, machinery, &c.

J. G. SCOTT,
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, Secretary.

Quebec, 30th April, 1883.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18|

QUEBEC AKD LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Quebec, 30th April, 1883.

I hereby certify that the section of ten miles of railway now under cl
struction, north of St. Raymond, is a fair average of the whole line betwJl
St. Raymond and Lake St. John.

Also that the survey was made under the instruction and advice of I
L. Light, Esq., Government engineer of railways for the province of QuebecB

JAMES CADMAN,

Engineer.

Exhibit "L. J. 3," for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. a

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Com
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
June, 1883.

On a report dated 17th May, 1883, from the Minister of Railways
Canals, submitting that by an Act passed last session, 45 Vic, chap,
authority was given for the grant of a subsidy towards the construction
line of railway from St. Raymond to Lake St. John, in the province of Quel
such subsidy not to exceed $3,200 a mile, nor in the whole $3*4,000.

The Minister represents that under an Order in Council dated the 23i
March last, authority has been given for entering into contract with the Qu<
and Lake St. John Railway Company, with a view* to its subsidy under
said Act. No contract has, however, yet been signed. The Minister furlH
represents that under date the 25th April, ult, the Quebec and Lake St. J-p
Railway Company have made representations to the effect that while I
aforesaid Act duly provided for the terminal points of the subsidized line,p
estimate as formed upon the distance which their proposed road would trav<lae
is erroneous, and the amount insufficient, such distance being, they state, U
miles, in place of 120 miles, the distance contemplated in the Act. They 11
accordingly that such additional subsidy may be granted as will cover he
difference.

The Minister recognizing the intention of the Act to have been the g)»
of a subsidy over the whole distance, recommends that the approval ofPaia-
ment be sought to the grant of a further subsidy to this company over ji
above that provided for by the Act 45 Vic, chap. 14, such further subsichpp
be $3,200 a mile, for an additional distance of 25 miles, not exceeding the ep
of eighty thousand dollars ($80,000). The committee submit the foregctt
recommendation for your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

274

EXHIBIT L.J.3.

.47

3 RIVER

Sketch Shewing Approximate Route of
Quebec and Lake ST John RY

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit " LJ " 4, for the Crown ; tiled 21st September, 1892.

G. II A MEL.

Clerk, li. L\

i,K 1 1 i'ied Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,

approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Gowned on the

ISth August, 1883.

On a memorandum dated 13th August, 1883, from the acting Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 23rd of March last an
)rderin Council was passed, giving authority to the Minister of Railways and
Canals, in the event of a certain Bill then before the Legislature of the
rovince of Quebec becoming law, which Bill contemplated the amendment
nd consolidation of various Acts respecting the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
ray Company, to enter into an agreement with that company in respect of the
obstruction of that portion of their line between St. Raymond and Lake St.
ohn, and the grant of the subsidy therefor sanctioned by the Act of the
)ominion Government, passed the previous session, and that with one or two
ninor changes the Bill in question did become law, as the provincial Act 46
Tic, cap. 88.

The Minister now recommends that approval be given to the descriptions
nd specifications annexed, with the accompanying draft of an agreement
vhich it is proposed to make with the said company, and to the dates for
ompletion proposed as follows, namely : For completion to a point near the
outhern extremity of the island of Lake Edward by the 31st December, 1885,
nd for completion to Lake St. John by the 25th May, 1887, being the
xtreme limit allowed by the Dominion Act 46 Vic, ch. 25 ; and further-
Qore, that he be authorize'd on behalf of the Government to enter into an
greement with the company for the execution of the work and the payment
f the subsidies severally approved by the Acts 45 Vic, cap. 14, and 46 Vic
ap. 25, in accordance with the aforesaid accompanying draft form.

The committee concur in the foregoing recommendations, and submit the
ame for your Excellency's approval.

JOHJST J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHST RAILWAY.

SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1. The railway shall be a single track line, with gauge four feet eight and
>ne-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2. The alignment and gradient and curvature shall be the best the physical
eatures of the country will admit of, the maximum grade of the trunk line not
o exceed one hundred and six feet to the mile, with two exceptions, at about
he 12th mile from St. Raymond and near Lake St. John, when gradients of
18 feet per mile may be used, and the minimum curvature not to be of less
adius than 717 feet with the exception of two short curves of 600 ft. radius
it about the 86th mile.

3. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not less
han thirty-three feet on each side of centre of line, all bush and logs must be
completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under three
eet in depth, on embankments less than two feet in depth.

5. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four

)t and more than two feet in height

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18^

t>. Through settlements, the railway must be inclosed with substantial!
built legal fences.

7. Road crossings, with cattle guards and sign boards shall be providJ
wherever required.

8. The width of cuttings at formation shall be twenty feet ; embankmefi
fifteen feet.

9. Efficient drainage must be provided, either by open ditches or und
drains.

10. All bridge culverts and other structures must be of ample size ai
strength for the purpose intended. Piers and abutments of large bridges an
culverts must be of massive stone, masonry or iron, made of durable and sir
able materials thoroughly permanent in character and in every essential pa
ticular equal to the best description of like work employed in simil
railway work in the Dominion.

11. The rails shall be of steel, weight fifty-six pounds per lineal yard,
approved pattern, and with the most approved fish or scabbard joint.

12. The roadway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other suj
able materials.

13. Sufficient siding accommodation shall be provided by the company !
may be necessary to meet the requirements of the traffic.

14. Sufficient rolling stock, necessary to accommodate the business of tfl
line, shall be provided by the company, with stations and terminal accommod
tions, including engine sheds, turntables, shops, machinery, &c, &c.

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 30th April, 1883.
Articles of Agreemeet made and entered into this day of

in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three.

Between " The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company " of tl
first part, and Her Majesty Queen Victoria, represented herein by the actir
Minister of Railways and Canals, of the second part :

Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session
the Parliament of Canada, held in the forty-fifth year of Her Majesty's reig
chaptered fourteen, and intituled : " An Act to provide for the granting of su
sidies for the construction of certain lines of railway therein mentioned," ai
amongst other things in effect enacted, that "it shall be lawful for the Go
ernor in Council to grant for the construction of a railway from St. Raymoi
to Lake St John, both in the province of Quebec, a subsidy not exceedir
three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the whole thn
hundred and eighty-four thousand dollars, the said subsidy to be granted
such company as shall be approved of by the Governor in Council as havii
established to his satisfaction its ability to complete the said railway within
reasonable tunc to be fixed by Order in Council, and according to description
and specifications to be approved by the Governor in Council, such subsidy
be payable by instalments on the completion of each ten miles of railway j
portionate to the value of the portion so completed in comparison with ti
whole work undertaken, such proportion to be established by the report
the said Minister of Railways and Canals, provided always that the grantii
of such subsidy shall be subject to such conditions for securing such runnii
powers or traffic arrangements and other rights as will afford all reasonab

276

Edgar versus Caron.

abilities and equal mileage rates to all railways connecting therewith as the
Governor in Council may determine."

And whereas "the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company " has
>een duly approved by the Governor in Council, and has established to his
at i -taction its ability to complete the said railway within a reasonable time to
>e fixed by Order in Council.

And whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
LOB8 and specifications hereto annexed, marked " A."

And whereas by an Act passed in the session of the Parliament of Canada
leld in the forty-sixth year of Her Majesty's reign, and intituled : " An Act
or authorizing subsidies for the construction of the lines of railway therein
mentioned," it is amongst other things in effect enacted that it shall be lawful
or the Governor in Council to grant to the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
way Company for twenty-five miles of their railway from St. Raymond to
Ake St. John, in the province of Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding three
housand two hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the whole eighty
housand dollars, in addition to the subsidy granted by the Act forty-fifth
Victoria, chapter fourteen (hereinbefore referred to), the said railway to be
ommenced within two years from the first of July next, and completed within
. reasonable time, not to exceed four years from and after the passing of this
Vet. to be fixed by Order in Council, and according to' the descriptions and
peeilications to be approved by the Governor in Council on the report of the
Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in an agreement to be made by
he company with the Government, the said subsidy to be payable out of the
onsolidated revenue fund of Canada, by instalments on the completion of
lach section of not less than ten miles of railway, proportionate to the value of
he portion so completed, in comparison with the whole work undertaken, to be
•stablished by the report of the said Minister. Provided always, that the grant-
ng of such subsidies shall be subject to such conditions for securing such runn-
ng powers or traffic arrangements and other rights as will afford all reasonable
acilities and equal mileage rates to all railways connecting with the line of
ailway so subsidized as aforesaid as the Governor in Council may determine.

Xow, this agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said subsidies
o be paid in the manner aforesaid, "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company" covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her heirs and
juccessors, in manner following, that is to say : —

1st. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make,
mild, construct and complete a line of railway from St. Raymond to Lake St.
^ohn, the points and approximate routes and course being shown on the map
tereunto annexed, marked " B, " and all bridges, culverts and works appur-
enant thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said line of railway,
,»ridges, culverts, works and all the engineering services, whether in the field
■r in preparing plans or doing other office work, to the entire satisfaction of
he Governor in Council.

2nd. That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line
;f railway on as straight a course as practicable between St. Raymond and
^ake St. John, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispen-
sable to avoid serious engineering obstacles and as shall be allowed by the
iTOvernor in Council.

j 3rd. That the gradients and alignments shall be the best that the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, in conformity with the aforesaid
jpecification hereto annexed, marked " A. "

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 18!

4th. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that befoj
the work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bil
of quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before ai
payments are made the company will furnish such further returns as may
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative vali
of the work executed with that remaining to be done.

oth. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in tl
agreement within three months from the date hereof, and shall complete tl
same, 'to wit: — From some point on their existing line to a point near tl
southern extremity of the island of Lake Edward by the thirty-first day
December, A.D. one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five, and thence t(
point near Lake St. John by the twenty-fifth day of May, A.D. one thousai
eight hundred and eighty-seven, time being declared to be material and
the essence of this contract.

6th. That the company will, upon and after the completion of the sa|
line of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep
maintain the same and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficie]
working and running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate
same.

7th. That the company will build, construct and complete the said lii
of railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance wii|
the specification hereto annexed marked " A, " and upon a line of location
be approved of by the Governor in Council.

8th. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such cc
ditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and othl
rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to
railways connecting with the said line of railway, as the Governor in Coun<
may determine.

9th. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining ther*
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and re
of every character, shall, upon completion of the said line of railway and worl
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

10th. And it is hereby specially agreed and understood that the debt di
to Her Majesty's Customs Department by " The Quebec and Lake St. Jol
Railway Company " shall be repaid to Her said Majesty out of the amount
the subsidy hereinbefore mentioned.

In witness whereof, "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Compai
have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents t(
sinned by the President of the said company, and the acting Ministei
Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the seal of
Department of Railways and Canals to be hereto affixed, and these present
be countersigned by the secretary of the said department.

Signed by the President of the said ^|
company, the corporate seal of I
the company having been hereto (
affixed in the presence of J

Signed and scaled by the acting'
Minister and by the Secretary of
the Department of Railways and
rials, in the presence of

Acting Minister of Railways & Cai

Ecl^ar versus ( 'aron.

Exhibit "L.J. 5," died 2 1st September, 1892.

G. IIAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
PETITION.

the Honourable A. P. Caron,
Minister of Militia and Defence,

M. P. for County of Quebec.
The undersigned inhabitants of the parish of St. Gabriel West, in the
>unty of Quebec, respectfully represent : — That by change of location of the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, north of the River Jacques Cartier, by
;hich ten miles of the old road from that river to Gosford has been
bandoned, in order to get a shorter line to St. Raymond, a very large
opulation living along the route of the old line, consisting of about 1,000
arsons, is deprived of the advantages which they would have enjoyed if the
Id location had been preserved, namely : easy means of communication with
he city of Quebec, and a means of utilizing the rich forests of hard wood
rhich exist on the said ten miles from that river to Gosford, and which, with
he railway, would afford employment to a large number of persons.

The road-bed of the old railway is still in good order, and your
>etitioners understand that if the rails could be obtained the railway
ompany would be prepared to lay them and open the ten miles for traffic.

Your petitioners therefore pray that you will be pleased to lay their
•etition betore the Government, and request that a subsidy may be voted to
he said branch ; or failing in that, that the Government will be pleased to
;ive or lend to the company ten miles of the old rails no longer in use on the
ntercolonial Railway.

J. .ISRAEL TARTE,
NAP. TARTE,
ULRIC GAUVREAU, J.P.
PAT HAYES, and 31 others.

Exhibit "LJ" 6, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,
Clerk, R. C.
Ottawa, 10th November, 1883.
A P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals.
Sir, — In my report of the 8th ult. on the work performed on the first
10 miles section of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway it was stated that
[ was then unable to give an opinion with regard to the proportionate value
)f the work on this section in comparison with that on the whole line.

Since then the company has furnished, by letters of 2nd November, No.
32643, and 8th November, No. 32691, sufficient information as to the quantities
~>f this section and those of the whole line between St. Raymond and Lake St.
John to justify me in saying that I consider the work on the first 10 miles
section is a fair average of the whole work undertaken. And I therefore beg
to recommend the payment of the subsidy of $3,200 per mile on this section,
No. 1, amounting to the sum of $32,000.

Your obedient servant,

THOMAS RIDOUT.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Exhibit "LJ" 7, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Customs Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 16th November, 1883.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Referring to the matter of the subsidy to the Lake St. Jor
Railway, and the claim of this department against Messrs. Withal & Ro
the understanding arrived at was that the amount due to this departme:
should be deducted from the first payment made on account of such subsid
The details are as follows : —

Note dated 4th December, 1880. for $5,707 30

Interest on same to date... 1,009 47

Note dated 29th May, 1882, for $975 00

Interest on same to date 85 75

16,716 77

1,060 75

.7,777 52

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. JOHNSON,

Commissioner.

■ Exhibit "LJ" 8, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUS. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Customs Department, Canada,

Ottawa, 17th November, 1883.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals,
Ottawa, Ont.
Sir, — Adverting to my communication of yesterday's date, presentir
the claim of this department against Messrs. "Withal & Ross, I beg to withj
draw the same aa l>eing incorrect, the figures of the first not being correct!;
ed,

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The following will be found to be the corrected claim, namely : —

Note dated 4th December, 1883, for $5,593 30

Interest on same to 16th instant 990 25

$6,583 55

Note dated 29th May, 1882, for $975 00

Interest on same to 16th instant 85 90

1,060 90

$7,644 45
I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. JOHNSON,

Commissioner.

Exhibit "L. J. 9," for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 15th
November, 1883.

On a memorandum dated 12th November, 1883, from the acting Minister
of Eailways and Canals, submitting that by an agreement made with the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company under date the 4th of September
last, previously sanctioned by an Order in Council of the 18th of August,
provision has been made for the payment of a subsidy of $3,200 a mile towards
the construction of their line between St. Raymond and Lake St. John,
authorized by the Acts 46 Vic, chap. 25, and 45 Vic, chap. 14, and that under
a clause of the said agreement payment is to be made by instalments on the
completion of each section of not less than ten miles of railway, proportionate
to the value of the portion so completed in comparison with the value of the
whole work undertaken, to be established by the report of the Minister of
Railways and Canals.

The Minister represents that upon application from the company an
inspection has been made of the first ten miles of the road of said subsidized line
by the proper officers of this department, whose report, dated the 8th ultimo,
shows the work to have been satisfactorily executed and to be fully up to the
standard required by the agreement between the company and the Govern-
ment.

That the inspecting engineer was not at that date in possession of the
information necessary to estimate the proportionate value of this section.

The company, howxever, have now, under date the 5th instant, furnished
such information, and on the 10th instant the engineer has reported that the
data supplied as to the quantities on this section and as to those on the whole
line between St. Raymond and Lake St. John are sufficient to justify him in
considering the work on the first ten miles section to be a fair average of the
whole work undertaken. The chief engineer has thereupon advised payment
of the subsidy of $3,200 a mile on this section.

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The Minister accordingly recommends that authority be given for payment
of the subsidy of $3,200 a mile for this distance of ten miles, or a total of
$32,000

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency's
approval.

JOHN J. McGEE.

Exhibit "L. J." 10, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUS. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Customs Department,

Ottawa, 21st November, 1883.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I am directed to acknowledge receipt of your letter of yesterday's
date, respecting deduction of $7,644.45 from the first estimate on the Lake St.
John Railway, and to ask that you will cause a cheque to issue in favour of
this department for the amount named.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

W. G. PARMALEE,

Accountant

Exhibit " L J " 11 ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,
B.C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Quebec, 26th January, 1884.
The Honourable

Sir Charles Tupper, K.C.M.G., C.B.,

Minister of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — I am directed, on behalf of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company, respectfully to request that the Government will be pleased to take
the necessary means to complete the subsidy granted to this railway by the
legislation of 1882 and 1883, so that it may cover the whole mileage proposed
to be built.

The amount required for this purpose will be as follows : —

1. To cover the first section of the road, 32 miles, from St.

Raymond to the junction of the North Shore Railway,
now completed, and 4 miles from the junction into the
city of Quebec, still to be built— say 36 miles, at $3,200.. $115,200

2. For a branch line to be built from the island of Lake

Edward to La Tuque, the head of navigation of the River

St. Maurice— say 30 miles, at $3,200 96,000

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3. For a branch line from the vicinity of Lake St. John to
Chicoutimi, or St. Alphonse, at the head of navigation of
the River Saguenay— say 60 miles, at $3,200 192,000

Total 126 miles '. $403,200

In support of this application, I would respectfully represent : —

Firstly. — The legislation ot previous sessions omitted to provide a subsidy
>r the first section, then under construction. This section is still not by any
leans complete. A very large sum of money is still required to extend the
le into the city of Quebec, and to purchase ground and build terminal
ition and buildings, workshops and wharf accommodation. These improve-
lents and some additional work on that portion of the first section now in
>eration are immediately required, and are most essential to the success and
itisfactory working of the road. The company find themselves in the position
having exhausted all the means at their disposal for this section, and these
iportant works still undone. Hence the necessity, which the company
rould respectfully urge, that this portion of tbe line should be subsidized
the Federal Government, as it has been by the province and city of
Lebec.

Secondly. — The building of a branch line to La Tuque will give railway
mmunication to the headquarters of all the lumbering business of the St.
aurice territory ; will give connection with 60 miles of navigation on the

St. Maurice River ; and will open to settlement the upper St. Maurice country

and the fertile valley of the River Croche.

Thirdly. -The branch to Chicoutimi is one of the most important
features of the whole scheme. It will give communication with the head of
steamboat and ocean navigation of the River Saguenay. It will give an
outlet to the rapidly improving town of Chicoutimi, the chief town of the
Saguenay territory, already an Episcopal See, and possessing a number of
important industries. This place is nearly 200 miles from Quebec, and in
winter time its inhabitants have at present no other means of communica-
tion but a rough cart road over the mountains. This branch will also give
an outlet to a population of over 20,000 persons, now established in this
portion of the territory.

The directors are aware that the above requirements may, at first
glance, appear high, but for the future success of the enterprise it is
necessary that this mileage should be built, or its beneficial results will be
greatly curtailed. In order to obtain the capital required, it is necessary that
the whole scheme, branches as well as main line, should be covered by subsidy
legislation, so that one financial operation will secure the construction of the
whole system. On the other hand, it must be remembered that if the
mileage is large the territory to be opened up to colonization is also
enormous. Only a limited portion of it is yet known, but even that portion,
according to the latest official reports, contains an area of the very best of
agricultural lands, sufficient to sustain a population of three-quarters of a
million.

The directors feel satisfied that as the Government have achieved such
marked success in securing, in so short a period, the means of rapidly settling
the great North-West, they will not hesitate to meet the views of the

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company, and thus create an important railway system which will quickly
colonize a territory in the North-East second only to it in importance.
I have the honour to be. Sir Charles,

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

LAKE ST. JOHN AND THE GREAT NORTH-EAST.

The following pages are intended to afford information with regard to a
portion of the Dominion at present comparatively unknown, but which, owing
to its fertile soil, rich forests and temperate climate, must without doubt]
become one of the most populous and progressive regions in Canada.

The territory in question extends from the head of navigation of the I
River Saguenay, at Chicoutimi, to the northern boundary of the province of
Quebec, a distance of 220 miles, and from the sources of the waters flowing
into Lake St. John from" the east to the River St. Maurice, and embracing the
valley of the River Batiscan, a distance of 200 miles, the whole forming ani
area of 44,000 square miles, or about 28,000,000 acres.

Comparatively little is known of this great country, with the exception
of the valley of Lake St. John, which, within the last few years, has been |
colonized with great rapidity, and now contains a population of some 32,000.
The value and exient of that portion of the territory which is known, can be I
appreciated from the annexed official report of the Assistant Commissioner
of Crown Lands of the Province of Quebec, which goes to show that even this!
limited area contains 3,000,000 acres of the best of agricultural lands, a greater]
extent than all the cleared lands contained in the two provinces of Nova
Scotia and New Brunswick, which sustain a population of three-quarters of a|
million.

Of that portion of the territory comprised in the St. Maurice region, Mr.
Dumais, a Government land surveyor, says : —

" The soil in the valley of the River Croche is rich. Flat lands, so to
speak, nearly half a mile wide, covered with a luxuriant vegetation, among
which elm and ash predominate, stretch away on each side of the river for a
distance of at least fifty miles. There are several settlements along these
strips, at which abundant crops of hay and oats are raised.

" These rivers are all well timbered ; pine is to be seen all the way from the
township of Charlevoix, on Lake St. John, to La Tuque. The River Croche
is rich in pine of the best quality. Mr. Hall makes 25,000 logs a year on it,
and at the same rate there is a supply for many years to come.

" A t present, taking into consideration the past explorations which we have
made and that just completed, the contrast is re-assuring : I now perceive a
gentle descent, with hardly any obstacle towards the St. Lawrence, passing
by the side of those mountains and precipices which we used to regard as our
only possible passage. We see also a territory but little broken, fit for culti-
v;iiion, and covered with magnificent timber, with every facility for transport;
a territory capable of receiving and settling a population of many thousand
souls; numerous water powers placed here and there for the utility and indus-
\v\ of this population ; a territory which will permit the location of a railway
more than a thousand feet below the former location, and above all traversing
a fertile region, which requires only arms to work it to become rich and
prosperous."

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The Saguenay and St. Maurice regions are already the field of large
lumbering operations, estimated at 60,000,000 feet, B.M., per annum, or
equivalent to about one-fourth of the whole export of sawn lumber from the
port of Quebec.

The settled portion of this immense territory, comprising a portion of the
valley of Lake St. John, and its climate, soil and productions, are well described
in the annexed letter from Mr. E. A. Panet, a gentleman who visited the
country in 1883, and who attests to the magnificent crops of wheat and other
cereals raised on its fertile lands, to the great value of its dairy products as
proven by the recent establishment in the district of a number of butter and
cheese factories, and to its excellent climate, equal, he says, to that of Montreal.

The only drawback from which this district now suffers is the absence
of means of communication. This objection is in a fair way of being overcome
by the construction of a railway — the Quebec and Lake St. John — (more espe-
cially described in the annexed report of Mr. A. L. Light, C. E., to Sir Charles
Tupper), which is now being built from Quebec to Lake St. John, and which
will be connected by branch lines with La Tuque, the head of steamboat
navigation of the River St. Maurice, and with Chicoutimi, the head of ocean
navigation on the River Saguenay.

The first section of this railway from Quebec to St. Raymond — 36 miles
— has been in operation since 1882, and has been successful in creating milling,
lumbering and other industries, and in promoting colonization, to an extent
far exceeding the expectations of its promoters, and auguring great results
upon the completion of the whole scheme. A further section of 10 miles is
now ready for traffic, work is progressing upon 10 miles beyond these, and
the whole of the main line to lake St. John is under contract.

The entire mileage proposed to be built is as follows : —

Main line, Qu ebec to Lake St. John 175 miles.

Branch, Riviere Batiscan to La Tuque 30 "

Branch, Lake St. John to Chicoutimi 60 "

" " to St. Prime 20 "

285 miles.

The subsidies granted the enterprise are as follows :

Province of Quebec, $5,000 per mile on 170

miles of main line $850,000

Province of Quebec, 5,000 acres of land per mile
on 170 miles of main line.

Dominion of Canada, $3,200 per mile on main

line north of St. Raymond $464,000

City of Quebec, $2,500 per mile 450,000

County of Chicoutimi No. 2 (Lake St. John)... 100,000

Total $1,864,000

and 850 acres of land.

It is hoped that these subsidies may be extended so as to cover the whole
mileage intended to be built. A glance at the accompanying map will show
the advantages and objects of building the branches. The branch from Lake
St. John to Chicoutimi will give the means of communication with Quebec and
the rest of the Dominion to a large population in that town (an Episcopal See

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and the site of several important industries) and the surroundiug district, and!
as it will reach the head of navigation of the River Saguenay will, no doubtj
vastly increase the large tourist travel to that celebrated river, by adding the!
attraction of an all round route by rail and water.

The branch to La Tuque will also give communication with 60 miles on
steamboat navigation on the River St. Maurice, likeAvise forming an all-rounJ
rail and water route from Quebec, waLa Tuque and the Grandes Piles, to Threa
Rivers, and also opening up to settlement the fertile valley of the Riveij
Croche, a tributary of the St. Maurice, and giving economical access for lumber-
men to La Tuque, the great centre of the lumbering operations of the St|
Maurice territory.

In this way, not only will the valley of Lake St. John be opened to coloJ
nization, but also the Saguenay and the Upper St. Maurice by means of thd
branch lines. A railway system will thus be created which will serve tcl
develop the great interior ,.of the province of Quebec, and which will doubtless,
at no distant day, extend its civilizing influences to the warm clay lands whictj
form the basin of James Bay. Every year furnishes new proofs of the suscep
tibility of that great basin to become the abode of civilized men, as in similaif
latitudes in Europe, and teaches us that, whilst pursuing the laudable course
of opening up the great North-West, we should not neglect to make similai
efforts to develop an almost equally valuable region lying at our very doors— I
the u Great North-East."

No better evidence of the deserving nature, of this project, or of its future
utility to the Dominion, could be had than the earnest interest taken in it bJ
one who has proved himself so sincere a friend to Canada and to all things
Canadian, namely, the Right Honourable the Marquis of Lome, our late Viceroy
who writes as follows : —

(Copy.)

Osborne, 27th December, 1883.

Dear Sir, — I am printing now an account of Canada to form a populal
illustrated book to aid emigration. I shall be happy to notice the Quebec anc
Lake St. John Railway, which is of the greatest interest to all who wish to
see the back country well settled — a thing which can easily be done, and musj
be done as soon as there is quick communication established. I am glad t(
hear that your work is progressing.

I remain yours sincerely,

LORNE.

J. G. Scott, Esq.,

Quebec & Lake St. John Ry., Quebec.

APPENDICES.

Department of Crown Lands.

Quebec, 28th July, 1880.
-I \mes G. Scott, Esq,

Secretary Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

Quebec.

Sir, — In answer to your letter of the 20th instant, requesting that certain

information be furnished to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company

relative to that section of country traversed by their proposed railroad, I hav<

thehonourto in form you that the territory to be thus opened comprises an are;

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■^

>f about 6,300,000 acres, which may be divided into two regions, having, with
•egard to soil, distinct physical features :

1st. The superficies of that part of Lake St. John and Chicoutimi basin
formed of an extensive and almost continuous alluvial deposit, to be within a
short period benefited by the construction of the contemplated railway may
>e set down at 3,500,000 acres.

2nd. That of the Batiscan region, cut up by large streams and lakes
intermingling in their courses, and running in opposite directions, some in
Lake St. John, others in the St. Maurice, and in the river St. Lawrence, with
restricted areas of alluvial flats, covers an extent of about 2,800,000 acres,
both sections of country being shown and distinguished by letters A and B
on the map of the province of Quebec herewith accompanying.

Out of the first of these sections 2,200,000 acres can be counted on as
well fitted for colonization and farming. Of the second, about 800,000 acres
will be found arable, and that principally along the line of the projected
railway.

Up to date 475,310 acres have been sold by the Crown for purposes of
settlement ; 3 ^ 7, 631 acres in the Lake St. John and Chicoutimi territory, and
87,679 acres in the county of Portneuf, at the southern extremity of the
Batiscan region ; forming with the 174,000 acres of seigniorial grants included
in the same county, a total of 649,310 acres alienated.

Up to the present, from the best data which can be obtained, about 180,000
acres of the 6,300,000 above stated have been cleared, more or less improved,
and settled upon ; the remainder consists of forests or wild land, of which
3,000,000 acres are under license or permit to" cut timber.

The predominating forest trees covering the greatest part of this extent
of territory are the spruce, tamarack, white pine, cypress (a kind of pitch pine
of a dwarfy species), white birch, black birch and cedar. As a rule, the
spruce is found the most abundant, and other trees in accordance to the order
in which they are now given.

Wheresoever settlements cannot, on account of the soil, extend over a
whole country, as in the Batiscan region, these timbered lands, if judiciously
managed, will be found an everlasting source of revenue, as it is well estab-
lished in Canada that tracts of land covered with spruce, fit for saw logs, can
be cut over every thirty or forty years.

I regret exceedingly that the records of this office do not contain informa-
tion such as to enable you to form a correct idea of the amount of timber
which, in the territory above described, has been and can be derived from a
given area.

I have the honor to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

E. E. TACHE,

Assistant Commissioner.

ME. PANET'S LETTEE.

OPINIONS OF THE PEOPLE.

To the Editor of the " Morning Chronicle " :

Dear Sir, — Having just returned from a lengthened tour over the valley
of Lake St. John, in the county of Chicoutimi, begun in September last, I
wish to avail myself, through the columns of your valuable paper, to give
your readers my impressions of that vast and wonderful territory lying so far

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north of Quebec, and so little known, but which is now beginning to attract
so much attention. Tourists leaving Quebec by the St. Lawrence Navigation
Company's steamers " Saguenay " or " Union," for Ohicoutimi and way ports,
admire the magnificent scenery which presents itself to the view of the
traveller the whole distance down the River St. Lawrence to Tadoussac, and
from thence up the River Saguenay to Chicoutimi ; but had tourists the oppor-
tunity which railway communication would afford, of extending their trips to
Lake St. John and view the lake from the rise of land overlooking the pretty
little village of St. Jer6me, they would wish for no grander sight than that
immense sheet of water, with shores of beautiful white sand, and would
wonder how it was such a beautiful country had not been opened to civiliza-
tion long years ago.

The settlement of the country around the lake is of comparatively recent
date. The first beginning was made by that courageous pioneer whose noces
d'or or fiftieth anniversary of his admission to the priesthood was celebrated
only last month at Kamouraska. I allude to the Rev. M. Hebert, who,
with a devoted little band of colons, cut the first tree in 1851 on the shores of
Lake Kenogomahish, where now stands the thriving Village of Hebertville,
named after that worthy priest, about fifteen miles south of Lake St. John,
the chef -lieu of the county, and the most populous parish of the lake district.

The settlement of the numerous other parishes which now dot the southern
and western shores of Lake St. John is even more recent.

The date of their establishment, their extent and their population at last
census will be seen as follows : —

j Begun. Population.

Pointe Bleue 2 1856 1186

St. Jerdme 8 1862 1803

Pointe-aux-Trembles 8 1864 1067

St. Prime 7 1867 956

St. Felicien 7 186*1 530

St. Gedeon 0 1875 654

St. Joseph d' Alma.... 0 1877 710

Normandin 0 1880 400

The district has been settled by young farmers from all the eastern parts
of the province, notably from Kamouraska, Murray Bay, Baie St. Paul,
Chateau Richer, Beauport and Quebec. As a general rule, the only stock in
trade which these new settlers took with them into that new and almost
unknown country consisted of an axe and good strong arms, backed by great
courage and perseverance.

The case of the first settler at St. Jerome may be taken as a sample of
what nearly all had to undergo. Charles Cauchon left Chateau Richer, near
Quebec, in 1862, with $10 in hisjpocket, accompanied by his wife and a family
of live little children. By the time he reached Lake Kenogami his little stock
of money was exhausted, and he had to give a week of his labour to pay the
passage of his family in canoes — then the only means of communication — to
the southern end of Lake St. John, where he established himself and founded
the flourishing parish of St. Jerome. It is unnecessary to rehearse all the
hardships and privations endured by Cauchon ; he reaped his award from th<
rich soil he has cultivated, and he now owns a good house, large barn, an<?
an excellent farm, well fenced and drained, valued, even at the low rating

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municipal councils, at $2,500. This year, although only one-fourth of his
farm is under cultivation, he has raised 250 bushels of wheat, 200 bushels of
oats, 150 bushels of peas and buckwheat, 240 bushels of potatoes, and other
vegetables in abundance. His barn is full to repletion, and he speaks in the
highest terms of the productive nature of the soil, which yield 25 bushels of
wheat to the bushel sown, and 25 bushels of peas or 35 of oats per acre.

As a rule, the new settlers who have taken up land at Lake St. John are
intelligent, adversity having sharpened their intellect and enterprise, and will
form the nucleus of a very desirable population. It is no uncommon thing
to meet farmers who have had collegiate educations.

Extent of the Territory.

It is very difficult to estimate the extent of good land still to be opened
up in the Lake St. John district. The nature of the soil cannot be judged in
the usual manner, by the quality and size of the trees, as the best of the soil
is to be found in localities where the trees are small and poor looking ;
consequently, portions of the territory which have been considered unfit for
settlement are found to be quite the contrary. For instance, in rear of St.
Jerome, on the River Metabetchouan, it has been found by recent
explorations that ^ve or six parishes can be established on land which had
hitherto been thought uncultivable.

The same thing is found to be the case in rear of Pointe-aux-Trembles,
where new settlers have established themselves 30 miles in from the lake,
near Commissioners Lake, on the projected line of the railway.

These new settlers have raised a large quantity of wheat this year, and
they declare the soil to be quite as rich as that of Lake St. John.

The lands on the River Peribonca, on the north side of the lake, have
heretofore been considered unfit for settlement. A Government surveyor has
just completed a thorough survey of them, and, I am told, reports that fully
ten parishes, if not more, can be established there, on the best of land. From
the Peribonca to the Grande Decharge, the soil is also said to be good ; in fact,
the north side of the lake is said by some to be superior to that already
settled on. The country is so flat that it is generally impossible to judge of
its extent ; but at one point, a hill overlooking the village of St. Prime, an
excellent view can be had. From this point, looking west and north for
probably 100 miles, or as far as the eye can reach, not a hill is to be seen,
nothing but one vast wooded plain — watered by noble rivers, the Ashuap-
mouchouan and Mistassini — each of them from a half a mile to a mile in
width, of the richest soil, only the fringe of which has been touched by the
new settlements of St. Prime, St. Felicien and Normandin.

One cannot but be struck by the vastness of this grand territory, and
everything goes to confirm the estimate made of its extent by Mr. Tache, the
assistant commissioner of Crown lands, whose reports indicate that it contains
3,000,000 acres of arable land, an area greater than all the occupied land of
the maritime provinces. Truly the district is a province in itself.

Climate.

The climate of the Lake St. John region is said to be that of Montreal ;
there is no doubt of its being superior to that of Quebec. The snow fall is
certainly less ; protected from easterly snow storms by the great range of the
Laurentides, which intervene between the Lake and the Gulf of St. Lawrence,
the quantity of snow is said to be moderate. In fact, farmers complain that

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they do not get good sleigh roads until late in the winter. On the 25th of*
September, this year, I remarked that the leaves of the trees were very little]
tinted, and potato stems were still green. "Wheat and all grains ripen andl
produce luxuriously. I was assured by a number of farmers that wheat can bel
sown up to the 15th June, and some years even as late as the 20th June, withl
the certainty of its ripening in the fall.

The Soil

is almost universally composed of a rich gray clay, and in the few places ;
where this is not exposed and where the surface appears sandy or of yellow!
loam, the clay is not more than three or four inches below. The land seems]
to be inexhaustible. At Point-aux-Trembles I was shown a field of wheat|
which had been producing that grain for the last 15 years without the appli-
cation of any manure, and the grain I saw this year was as fine as any to bel
found in this district. Truly one is struck with wonder at the richness of the j
soil, for I believe there is none richer in Canada.

The Lake.

Lake St. John is a magnificent sheet of water, abounding in fish, such aJ
the Ouinaniche (land locked-salmon), pike, dore and other smaller kinds olj
fish, for which there will be a ready sale in Quebec when the railway reaches)
the shores ot the lake.

Only on a very fine day can the other side of the lake be seen ; at alS
other times it conveys the impression of an inland sea. On a calm day its i
bosom is like a mirror ; but let a stiff north breeze blow for a couple of days Is
and white caps will be seen everywhere, and breakers roll on its shores whict j
would do credit to the Atlantic. Following up the west shore of the lake thdfl
scenery is very fine. A distant blue point, hardly visible at first, graduallj
resolves itself into a long coast line, dotted with farms, villages and churches!
reminding one of the St. Lawrence below Montreal. The eye never tires o:
the beautiful landscape : on one side fields of wheat, rising gradually from thd i
border of the lake ; on the other the broad expanse of the lake. What i
place for tourists when the railway is finished.

Wheat

Another thing which impreses the stranger favourably as to the resource
of the country is the large number of flour mills and the constant stream o|
vehicles carrying wheat to the mills and flour from them. There is no doul
that the farmers there produce more than they consume, and the Ontai
miller need not look there for consumers, but may, in a few years, exp(
formidable rivals in the millers of Lake St. John, for in six or seven years, aj
the longest, the flour merchants at Quebec will be selling the flour from wht
raised at Lake St. John.

Products.

The census returns of 1881 show that the county of Chicoutimi raise*
then, compared with the years 1861 and 1871: —

L881. 1871. 1881.

Wheat, bushels 10,912 136,099 154,589

Oats do 39,316 117,249 211,216

Barley do 39,922 71,210 47,025

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ism. 1871. L881.

Other grains 108,183

Potatoes, bushels 101,382 156,996 287,238

Hay, tons 3,648 5,966 16,347

Butter, pounds 61,777 148,106 393,127

Head of live stock 18,746 44,772 59,795

Tobacco, pounds 67,437

Population 10,478 17,493 32,409

Potatoes, carrots and other vegetables yield abundantly and of immense

Wheat is of course the greatest test of the soil and climate of any agri-
cultural country. Let us then compare its production at Lake St. John with
the best districts of the province, viz., the eastern townships, and we find that
the census shows that in 1881 : —

County. Population. Bushels. Wheat Bushels per

1000 of pop.

Chicoutimi 32,409 154,589 4,800

Compton 19,581 34,181 1,800

§ Stanstead 15,556 37,727 2,400

Huntington 15,495 24,378 1,600

The rapid increase in dairy products is very striking. Already there are
in the county of Chicoutimi no less than four cheese factories, and one for the
manufacture of butter, all turning out very superior articles, which should com-
mand the highest price. The district bids fair to outstrip any other part of
the province in this important product.

Farming is carried on on a scale which would not a little surprise
our farmers in the district of Quebec. One farmer in the neighbourhood of
Chicoutimi has about 400 acres under cultivation, and raised this year some
4,000 bushels of grain alone, his enormous barns evidenced the confidence he
has in the productiveness of his land. Quite a business is carried on in the
raising of live stock, and the Saguenay steamers bring a full complement of
excellent cattle to the Quebec market every trip.

Drawbacks.

The great, in fact almost the only drawback to the country, is the want
of means of communication. The cost of cartage from Chicoutimi, the head
of navigation, to Lake St. John, is enormous. To St. Felicien, a distance of
about 100 miles (and not the most distant point, for there are settlers 20 miles
further in, and will be 100 miles still further), it costs from $1.00 to $1.50 per 100
lbs. for cartage. This is a terrible tax, especially upon heavy and bulky goods,
and on all produce. For example : coarse salt, which is worth from 50 cents
to 60 cents per bag, in Quebec, sells at Hebertville for $1.60 to $2.00, at St.
Jerome for $3.25, and at St. Prime and St. Felicien for $3.50 per bag, and
has even sold as high as $6.00. Iron and molasses are similarly affected.
Potatoes, when they can be sold at all, go for 20 cents per bushel, and the
best butter can be bought there for 15 cents'per lb., payable in store pay, on
the encouraging basis of prices given above. In fact, if the soil were not so
extremely rich as it is, it would not be possible for the people to live there
without better means of communication.

The railway from Quebec will of course change all this, and it is eagerly
looked for by the people. Its advent will give an impetus to the settlement

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of this great country, which will exceed anything east of Manitoba, and wi)
confer advantages upon the province of Quebec, the importance of which fevj
can estimate to-day.

Yours truly,

E. A. PANET.
St. Raymond, 8th November, 1883.

SUPPLEMENTARY RETURN

To an order of the House of Commons, dated 14th February, 1881 ; — For cop;
of the report of A. L. Light, Esquire, engineer in chief of the Province c|
Quebec, addressed by request to the Government of Canada, and relatinj
to the railway from Quebec to Lake St. John, and the Quebec and Laki
St. John Railway Company.

By command.

JOHN O'CONNOR,

Secretary of Stale.
Department of the Secretary of State,
16th March, 1881.

Report on the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway — Its surveys, construc
tion, grades, curves and prospects of traffic.

Hon. Sir Charles Tupper, K.C.M.G.,

Minister of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — In compliance with your instructions, I have the honour to report a|
follows upon the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway : —

A wooden railroad had originally been built from Quebec to Gosford, jj
distance of twenty-miles, and was in use for two years.

In 1879 I was consulted as Government engineer of railways, witl
regard to the reconstruction and extension of the work to Lake St. John.

Finding the location via Gosford unsatisfactory, I recommended tha
surveys for a new location should be made, and by request prepared th<j
necessary instructions for the guidance of the company's chief engineer.

Surveys.

The country between Quebec and Lake St. John has been survey ec|
instrumentally through the \Ietabetchouan and Batiscan valleys, the formej
in 1873, the latter in 1879, with minor studies, with the view of establishing
the most favourable route.

A good line has been found running south of Lake St. Joseph, from th(j
crossing of the River Jacques Cartier, direct to St. Raymond, and with pracj
ticable grades through to Lake St. John.

The gradients and curvature have been established with a due regard t(j
the nature of the country to be traversed, combined with the considerations o
costs of construction and efficiency of future working.

Construction.

The first division of the road, between Quebec and St. Raymond, has beei
under construction since 1879.

Grading.

The embankments are 15 feet in width at formation level, and the cu1
tings are 18 feet, although widened where special drainage is required; thes'd

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Edg-ar versus Caron.

dimensions are sufficient. Where admissible, 1 lie formation has been raised
above ground level, with a view to counteract the effects of snow, but where
any inequalities of surface require deep cuttings, the maximum grades allowed
have been retained, in order to reduce the quantities to a minimum.

Culverts.

These structures, either " open " or " box," are of wood where the embank-
ment is low ; where heavy, they are" built in stone. The wooden culverts are
good and sufficiently strong, and can be replaced without stoppage to traffic.

Masonry.

The first and second class masonry is built on the Q. M. 0. & 0. Railway
specifications. It is the best of its kind, The first class is composed of granite
and laid throughout in Portland hydraulic cement.

Bridges.

These are six in number on this division. The Jacques Cartier and Port-
neuf rivers and the outlet of Lake St. Joseph are spanned with iron superstruc-
tures from the firm of Clark, Reeves & Co., Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, resting
on stone piers and abutments ; the former bridge is 500 ft. in length and the
latter 60 and 80 ft. respectively. The bridges are all excellent structures, of
first class materials and workmanship, and they have been arranged with a
panel load and floor system per lineal foot, sufficient to carry the special trac-
tion engines which will be needed for the economical working of this road.

Ballasting.

As the greater portion ot this division passes through a gravelly soil, the
average quantity has not been required to thoroughly bed the sleepers and give
a dry and elastic road bed.

Rails.

The track is being laid with a steel rail from the Barrow Company, England.
It is of the latest pattern and of the very best material (Sandberg's specifica-
tion and inspection). The fastenings are also of the most modern form, includ-
ing a " flanged fish plate " of great strength and efficiency. The sleepers are
laid 2 ft. centres, closer than is usual, but their cost not being great in this
district, the arrangement is both efficient and economical.

Switches, Switch-frames, Frogs.

These are of the latest and best description, being of the Q. M. O. & O.
Railway pattern.

Fencing.

The fencing is of patent barbed steel wire, fastened to tamarack posts, set
12 feet apart, and 3 ft. in the ground. This makes an excellent fence,
specially adapted for a snowy region.

Stations,

But one has, as yet, been built, viz., at the junction with the Q. M. 0. &
0. Railway, which, though small, is appropriate. Other stations of suitable
f size are being built at Lorette River, Jacques Cartier, St. Catherines and
St. Raymond.

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Rolling Stock.

A. 189:

The present rolling stock in use is only sufficient for construction purJ
poses. It consists of three locomotives, some 50 platform cars of the latest
pattern, and 2 small passenger cars. The locomotives and platform cars an
the best of their respective kinds.

Telegraph Line.

The company have closed an arrangement with the Montreal Telegrapl
Company for a line along their railway. The wire is being laid in advance oi
the works, and the necessary offices will be opened according as the several
sections of the road are ready for traffic.

Remarks.

Apart from the embankment and cut at Lorette — which are unusualb
heavy — and the bridging of the Jacques Cartier river, the works are not abov<
the average.

This division is being constructed in a substantial and thorough manner,
and except gradients, curvature and some wooden structures, will be foun("
when completed, to equal the Q.M.O. & O. Railway.

Location from St. Raymond to Lake St. John.

Lake St. John lies 278 feet above the sea. An instrumental survey mad<
a few years ago shows an intervening summit of some 2,400 feet between th<
St. Lawrence and the lake, which has been reduced to 1,348 feet by carrying
the line further west via River Batiscan and Lake Edward, passing througl
a good agricultural and finely timbered country.

The above summit is 123 miles from Quebec, and, with four exceptions,
can be surmounted by maximum grades of 118 feet to the mile, ascending
north (or against light traffic), and of 80 feet to the mile ascending south
against heavy traffic). ^ (See Appendix A for table of grades.)

^ Three of the four exceptions above mentioned occur ascending south
they amount to 3.8 miles collectively, and can doubtless be reduced by furth<
explorations. The fourth — ascending north — is 132 feet to the mile for 2.
miles, and occurs near Lorette, where the work is very heavy. To ha^
reduced this grade to 118 feet per mile, would have doubled the quantity an<
trebled its cost. The original alignment was here exceedingly crooked, but ws
straightened at a comparatively trifling expense, and the grades laid on
tangent throughout. Further this grade will be found equivalent to the easic
ones of 118 feet to the mile ; the latter being combined with 8 curves, whi<
virtually increase their steepness.

These grades are not continuous, the summit being gradually approach*
from either side by successive plateaus on an ascending scale, with sligl
intervening depressions at the river crossings. No grade exceeds two miles '
length, thus affording the advantage of getting up a full supply of steal
between each, and the fact that considerable stretches of level and undulatii
grades occur between maximum grades will greatly facilitate the working
the road. The grades are perfectly practicable, although unusual in Canac
on trunk lines, but often found in the United States and Europe, where moui
lain ranges, similar to the one in question, have to be crossed. They are there!
quite successfully worked and carry an enormous traffic. (See Appendix B fori
example of steep grades.)

294

Edgar versus Caron.

Traction Engines.

In establishing the above grades, I advised the use of special connected
traction engines, with a view to the economical working of the traffic,
recommending the u Consolidation" type for heavy, and the " Mogul " for
mixed passengers and light freight traffic. The former of these engines will
haul as much over the steepest grades of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway as is hauled by the ordinary eight- wheeled engine in general use
owr the easier grades of the Grand Trunk and Great Western Railways, i. e.,
over twenty loaded freight cars from Lake St. John to Quebec, and the same
number returning, one-third loaded, such being about the estimated propor-
tion of the balance of trade. The " Mogul" will haul three-fourths of such a
load with reasonable speed.

Neither pattern will cause greater wTear and tear to the road-bed and
track than would ariee from the use of the ordinary engine, and all the
structures have been planned for the same.

The amount of fuel they consume is in direct proportion to the power
exerted ; but, as in this district wood abounds, the additional expense
involved will not be serious. Fuller information regarding the capacity of
these engines will be found in Appendix C.

Curves.

The minimum radius of curvature from Quebec to Lake St. John is 600
feet, and this but in three instances, the average being far easier. (For table
of curvature, see Appendix D.)

Estimate of Cost.

Basing myself upon the quantities returned from the survey of the line
to Lake St. John, I would estimate the cost of the road at about $23,000 per
mile ; this includes a limited supply of rolling stock and buildings.

Length ot the Road.

The railway by the survey is set down at 1 79 miles. This final location
will doubtless reduce this mileage, and likewise improve the grades. The
first four miles pass over theQ.M. O. & O. Railway. Thirty-one miles from the
junction to St. Raymond will be opened to traffic in July next ; and twenty
miles have been received by the Provincial Government.

Conclusion.

As will be seen from Mr. Tache's letter, the Department of Crown
Lands of the province of Quebec estimates that out of the 6,000,000 acres of
land in the immediate vicinity of, and to be shortly opened up by this railway,
over 3,000,000 are well adapted for settlement. Blocks A and B, shown on
the map herewith annexed, constitute but a limited portion of this territory.

The total area of all lands taken up for settlement in the province of
Quebec is set down in the last census at 5,700,000 acres; and Ontario
contains only 7,000,000 or 8,000,000 acres all told.

The total area of cleared land in the two provinces of New Brunswick
and Nova Scotia is about 2,800,000 acres.

The railway will, undoubtedly, develop a large trade in lumber, as it
runs through a finely timbered district, and has its terminus in the principal
lumber market of the Dominion, while the absence of other competing roads,

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A. 1893

and of water competition, will doubtless have a beneficial effect upon its
general prospects, which, viewed as a whole, may be considered to be veri
promising.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

A. L. LIGHT.

Quebec, 9th March, 1881.

APPENDIX A.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway — Abstract of Gradients from
Quebec to Lake St. John.

Description.

20 to 30

per mile

30 <

' 40

40 '

' 50

50 '

' 60

60 <

< 70

70 '

< 80

80 <

< 90

90 <

' 100

100 <

< 110

110 <

' 118

118 '

' 132

Ascending North.
Length in miles.

11-4

1-6
12-0

1-0

4-5

7-1

0-0
10-8

2-4

2-5

Totals.

57-4

RECAPITULATION.

Ascending South
Length in miles.

5-1

1-8

0-3
159

2-0
25-7

0-0

2-5

1-3

0-0

54-6

Remark

Ascending north 5 7*4

" south 54-6

Level and under 20 per mile 67*0

Total.

179-0

APPENDIX B.

Examples of Steep Grades and Sharp Curves.

I have personally inspected most of the following : —
1-i. The Pprtlancl and Ogdensburg Railway, U. S. This road, which
traverses a district very similar in snowfall and climate to that traversed by
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, passes over a summit 988 feet high,
with continuous grades, 10 miles in length, of 107 and 116 feet to the mile,
and curves of 637 feet radius. The late Mr. Latrobe, C. E., a man of high 1
professional standing in the United States, was the consulting engineer.

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Edgar versus Caron.

2nd. The "Baltimore and Ohio Railway," built by the same eminent
eer, passes over a summit of the Alleghanies, with continuous grades,
st heavy traffic, 12 miles in length, ana 1 16 feet to the mile ; curve's 600
radius.

3rd. The " Pennsylvania Central " passes over a summit 2,154 feet, and

one continuous grade, west of Altoona, of 95 feet to the mile, 10J miles

length.

4th. " The Tyrone and Clearfield," a branch of the above, has continuous

•ades of 106 feet to the mile, 10 miles in length ; and besides these, two

hers of 128 and 138 feet to the mile each, collectively, three miles in length.

5th. The " Lehigh Valley" Railway has grades of 133 to 143 feet to the

The above railways, with the exception of the first mentioned, successfully
le the " Consolidation " engine.

6th. In South America, the "Don Pedro Segundo" (the Imperial railway
Brazil ) crosses a summit of the Orange Mountains 1,872 feet high, with a
ntinuous grade, 16 miles long, of 117 feet to the mile ; also successfully
orked with " Consolidation " engines.

7th. In Europe, the " Brenner Railway " from Innspruck to Yerona,
,8ses over a summit of the Alps upwards of 4,000 feet high, on an average
ade of 114 feet per mile for 22 continuous miles, and for a considerable por-
>n of this distance on a grade of 132 feet to the mile.

8th. The railway from Vienna to G-ratz, over the Semering; also the line
)m Bologna to Florence, over the Appennines, have similar grades.

9th. The railway from Turin to Genoa has a continuous grade 6 miles in
lgth of 146 feet to the mile. All the above are permanent railways between
eat centres of trade, and doing a large business, and are successfully worked
th traction engines.

Besides the above, there are many examples of temporary tracks (with
jch steeper grades) being successfully used for many years with great advan-
ce, while the permanent works were under construction, notably, the
fountain top track," crossing the blue ridge on the " Virginia Central "
dlway. This was successfully worked (while the tunnel underneath was
'ing built) over grades of 297 feet per mile and curves of 275 feet radius,
!th a six-wheeled connected tank engine.

10th. On the " Baltimore and Ohio " temporary tracks were worked over
)untains through which tunnels were in course of construction, having
ades of 400 feet per mile, and over which a mixed traffic was regularly and
ely carried for years.

11th. The " Mont Cenis" temporary railway was laid over the summit of
Alps, with grades ranging from 200 to 400 feet per mile, while the great
mel was being constructed below. It was successfully worked by a special
'angement of both track and traction engine, and safely carried for years a
isiderable portion of the passenger traffic between France and Italy.

Lastly, an example is given in Appendix O, of a traction engine, built at
i Baldwin Locomotive Works, which regularly hauled nine loaded freight
I's, or about 180 gross tons of cars and lading over grades of 316 feet per
le and curves of 400 feet radius, over ''Baton Rouge," on the "Southern
eific " Railway.

29'

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(Copy).

APPENDIX C.

Baldwin Locomotive "Works,

Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co.,

Philadelphia, 13th December, 1880.

Dear Sir, — Your valued favour of the 10th instant is at hand this daj
respecting " Consolidation " locomotives for the Quebec and Lake St. Jolij
Kailway. We note that this road is to have maximum grades of 80 feet pi
mile, each not exceeding two miles in length, in the direction of the hea\j
traffic, and maximum grades of 132 feet per mile, each not exceeding tv>|
miles in length, in the direction of the light traffic. We also note that the rai
are of steel, 50 lbs. weight to the yard.

We agree with you in recommending for the service of this road locomj
tives of the " Consolidation " pattern having cylinders 20 inches by i
inches, and weighing, in working order, about 100,000 lbs., of whi<
about 88,000 lbs. would be on the driving wheels. We would recommen
however, the use of driving wheels not less than 45 inches in diameter, and j
is our practice to use 50-inch wheels on these engines. As there would be
weight of only about 11,000 lbs. resting on each driving wheel which is if
more than that on each driving wTheel of the ordinary 16 x 24-inch AmericV
pattern passenger locomotive, we think the track could carry such an engi|
without damage.

We enclose printed accounts of the performance of similar locomotives I
grades ranging from 23 to 68 feet per mile. We estimate that a " Consolidation'
locomotive having 88,000 lbs. on driving wheels could haul a load of 4j»
gross tons of cars and lading up a grade of 80 feet per mile, or 275 gross toji
of cars and lading up a grade of 132 feet per mile, exclusive of the resistant
of curves, track and cars being in good condition.

Very truly yours,

BURRHAM, PARRY, WILLIAMS & CO.

A. L. Light, Esq.,

Engincer-in-Chief, Government Railways,
Quebec.

" Consolidation " Engine.

This engine has four pairs of driving wheels of 4 feet in diameter, witl
Bissel or radial truck ; cylinder 20 x 24 inches ; weight of engine, in worki;
order, about 100,000 lbs. ; weight on driving wheels, about 88,000 lbs., weiJ
on each wheel, about 11,000 lbs. Capacity — Can haul 465 gross tons of cl
and lading up a straight grade of 80 feet per mile, and 275 tons of cars al
lading up a straight grade of 132 feet per mile.

" Mogul" Engine.

This engine lias three pairs of driving wheels of 4 feet 6 inches diamet I
with a four-wheeled truck; cylinders 18 x 24 inches ; weight of engine!
working order, about 80,000 lbs. ; weight on driving wheels, about 66,000 1! :
weighl on each wheel, about 11,000 lbs. Capacity — Can haul about 340
tons of cars and lading up a straight grade of 80 feet per mile, and about
gross tons of cars and lading up a "straight grade of 132 feet per mile.

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APPENDIX D.

Juebec and Lake St. John Railway — Abstract of Curves from Quebec to

Lake St. John.

o
120

g,d

/. M

•

;_r

0 53

000

3 (Hi

700

014

704

0"67

800

DOS

819

Oil

900

086

955

1200

1,000

(1 42

1,146

112

1,200

L984

1,400

1 25

1,433

119

1,600

092

1,800

1-80

1,910

7 72

2,000

Miles of curvature.
Miles pf tangent. . .

268.30
1.322.30

57.15
253.30

29.20

3S.00
273.24

3,072.35
111-00
282. 1 5

4,276.10
204.28
220.00
153.45
208.28

1,108.30

0 12

019

0 15

0 24

0 fill

698

2 05

II OS

0 40

0 27

0 17

037

095

017

344

65.00

RECAPITULATION.

2,050

L'.2lill
2.2! 12
2,500
2,000
2, SO I
2.S05
3,820
4,012
5,(101)
5,730
9,850
10,000
11,459

18.25
27.00
27.40

s on
77 15
75:, . 45
199.33
54.22
28.00
13.00

9.00
11.00
29.00

7.00

13,930.40

05
114

Total . . .

Curvature per mile

Percentage of curvature.

. 170

778-49

0-30

Ixhibit " L J " 12, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

}o the Honourable Sir Charles Tuppbr,

Minister of Railways and Canals.

'he petition of the undersigned respectfully represents : —

That the county of Chicoutimi contains more than 5,000,000 acres of
md fit for cultivation, and that the valley of Lake St. John alone can main-
iin a population of several hundreds of thousands. That in view of its extent,
is resources and its fertility, that valley is destined to become the granary of
le province of Quebec. That unfortunately the colonization of that vast
jrritory is impeded and even paralysed by the lack of free communication
ith the great centres.

That the Dominion Government is not unaware of the importance of that
lact of country, and of the advantages offered by it for colonization, having
Iready granted a subsidy to assist in the construction of a railway from
tuebec to Lake St. John.

That the progress of colonization in the valley of Lake St. John would
te much more rapid and effective if there was also a railway from Lake St.
]ohn to Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, and that, in fact, the construction of
tich a railway is indispensable to the thorough opening of the whole Saguenay
jnd Lake St. John district for colonization.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

That such a railway, passing through a large part of the county c
Chicoutimi, would especially favour the colonization of the territory lying to th
north of Lake St. John, and would connect the whole valley with two impo:
tant parts of the River Saguenay — the town of Chicoutimi, the county seat, an
St. Alphonse.

That, further, such a railway, which would connect with the Quebec an
Lake St. John Railway, would connect the whole county of Chicoutim
throughout the year, with the city of Quebec, and during six or seven month
of the year with the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup, and also wit'
nearly all the counties on both shores of the St. Lawrence below Quebec, an
with Quebec itself, by means of a regular line of steam vessels from Chicoutim
o d That the length ot the railway would be about 48 miles from Lake Si
John to Chicoutimi, and ten miles more to St. Alphonse.

That at the last session of the Legislature of the Province of Quebec
company was incorporated under the name of The Saguenay and Lake I
John Railway Company, by a special Act then passed.

That that company has already had a complete survey made from Si
Alphonse to Lake St. John, and that an advantageous line has been found.

That your petitioners venture to hope that, in the interests of colonizatio;
and ot trade, the Dominion Government will, during the present session, mak
a sufficient grant to ensure the construction of the railway.

J. A. GAGNE,

J. E. A. De ST. GEORGES,

Ottawa, 1st March, 1884.

and 30 other names.

• Exhibit " LJ " 13 for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAYE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 19th July, 1884.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — lam directed to enclose, for the information of the department,
copy of a resolution of the board of directors of this company, adopted at
meeting held on the 10th instant, transferring to Messrs. Ross & Co., <
Quebec, the subsidy payable by the Dominion of Canada, at the rate of $3,20*
per mile, upon 10 miles of this railway, from station -No. 2186 at Lake Simon
to station No. 2714, near the Riviere a Pierre.

Will you please note this transfer in your books, and acknowledge
receipt ?

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary

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Bdgur versus Caron.

Extracts from the minutes of a meeting of the directors of the Quebec
Lake St. John Railway Company, held at Quebec, on Thursday, 10th
ly, 1884, at 2 p.m.

Present :

T. Le Droit, President.
S. Peters, Vice-President.
Hon. D. A. Ross.
R. P. Vallee.

T. A. PlDDINGTON.

Proposed by S. Peters, seconded by Hon. D. A. Ross,

That the subsidy of the Dominion of Canada of $3,200 per mile for 10
liles of this railway, from station 2186, at Lake Simon, to station 2714 near
he Riviere a Pierre, is hereby transferred to Messrs. Ross & Co., of Que-
bec, as security for advances to be made to complete the said 10 miles, with
uthority to them to receive payment of the same from the Government
/hen due. And that a copy of this resolution be transmitted to the Hon-
urable the Minister of Railways and Canals, at Ottawa. — Carried.

A true extract from the minutes.

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ " 14 ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.
Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 8th April, 1885.
L P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department Railways and Canals.
Ottawa.
Sir, — As requested, in response to Mr. J. G. Scott's application under cover
5143, dated 15th November last, for the payment of the subsidy on the second
0-mile section south of St. Raymond, I despatched Mr. Ridout to examine
be work and report. He has done so, and I submit herewith copy of his
eport, from which it appears that the section is not completed according to
he requirements of the contract, there yet remaining to be done the formation
f every embankment, and iron pipe and masonry culverts, as well as ballasting,
'he work executed is well done and of good class. Mr. Ridout reports consid-
rable work done on the third 10-mile section, which would indicate an
atention of further prosecuting the work. The work executed on this third
0 mile section, Mr. Ridout informs me, is very considerably in excess iu value
o the work remaining to be done on the second 10 mile section upon which
•ayment of the subsidy is asked. The subsidy allotted to this second 10
flile section is $37,027.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Manager Govt. Ryb.
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(Copy.)

Ottawa, 4th April, 1885.

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER, Esq.,

Chief Engineer Government Railways.

Sir, — In obedience to your instructions, I inspected on the 18th ult. tl
second ten miles section of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway extendi]
from the 10th to the 20th mile north of St. Raymond ;

And now beg to report that the curves and gradients, as far as I cou]
judge without actual instrumental measurements, conform to the requiremei
of the specification and the plan and profile of location approved by Order
Council dated 16th March, 1885.

Owing to the great depth of snow I was unable to see the exact width
the embankments, but have no reason to doubt they are of the required wid j
of 15 feet ; there are, however, some settlements which will be made up
spring. The cuttings are of the fall width of 20 feet and over, except a r<
one at 20| mile, which is 18 feet, and at this a snow shed will be necessary ;
another rock cutting at 22J miles of 19 feet.

The culverts are of masonry and iron pipes under banks of 12 feet depl
the remainder being of timber. The most important bridge is one over tl
Black River, 15J miles, a through Howe truss 100 feet span of good constn
tion, resting on first class masonry abutments of stone from the Terrebonil
quarries. The superstructure was about finished at the time of my visit, bj
the track had not then been transferred from the temporary trestle to the p(
manent bridge. I presume, however, that it is now in place.

The other structures on this section are as follows : —

On 11 mile — Two timber spans of 12 feet, each 12 feet high on rock foun(
tion. 13-16 mile — One timber span of 12 feet, 15 feet high. 14 J — Trestle
feet long and 20 feet high. At this point a stone culvert in cement 6' x4' "
been built, and the trestle will be filled in. 17 mile — Trestle 200 feet long
20 feet high. An iron pipe 3 feet diameter, now delivered on ground, is
be put, and the trestle filled at early date. 17J — Trestle 200 feet long, 35 fe
high. A dry masonry culvert 5' x 4' has been built, having rock filling
both sides ; this embankment will also be completed early this season. 19*6-
Temporary trestle 50 feet long, and 12 feet high, a timber structure of 12 fed
opening is to be erected at this point.

The track has been laid throughout this section with 56-lb. steel rail;
having one angle and one common fish-plate at each point ; the ties are j
tamarack and cedar.

I was unable to see the ballasting, on account of the snow, but tl;
engineer, Mr. Cadman, informed me that about 6 miles had been ballaste!
and that the balance would be completed early in spring. I observed sever
very fine ballast pits, at two of which there were steam shovels, ready 1
commence work again as soon as the weather will permit. As most of tl
banks on this -ection are comprised of sand and gravel, of which there is
plentiful supply, the track can be put in very good condition in a month or i
after the snow is off the ground.

There is a Log building and turntable at Lake Simon, about the 10th mil
and tour .sidings between the 10th and 20th mile.

I walked two miles beyond the end of the section above referred to, A
t';i i' as the Riviere a Pierre, and found a good force of men and horses at worljj

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Phe grading on these two miles is well advanced. At the Riviere a Pierre there
; to he a 150 feet through iron bridge, now being constructed at the works
ifthe Dominion "Bridge Company at Lachine : the foundations for the abut-
nents are being prepared, and about one half of the stone required has been
Iressed and delivered on site frpm quarry in vicinity.

I attach hereto a memorandum handed to me by Mr. Scott, the manager
>f company, of the work done and force now employed from the 20th to 34th
Jiiij nile, together with profile thereof.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

THOMAS RIDOUT.

Quebec, 19th March, 1885.

Memorandum of work done on the Riviere a Pierre 20 to 30 miles
livision, the 10 miles north of the section just completed.

Earth 30,000 c. yards.

Rock 4,000 "

Culvert masonry 200 "

Bridge stone prep 200 "

Clearing 90 acres.

Ties 8,000 "

Rails 300 tons

Fastenings 12 "

Large shanties — stones 14 "

Large stables 4 "

Small stables — shanties 9 "

Portage road built 25 miles.

Provision, hay, oats, dualine, Government $15,000

There are about 350 men at work on this division, with 75 horses, 4 gangs
in rocks, 9 in earth, 4 clearing, and the others at culverts, &c.

This railway is undoubtedly one of the most important of those subsidized
y the Dominion. Three-fourths of its length of 175 miles passes through
Crown lands rich in timber, which when opened up by the railway will furnish
in enormous traffic in lumber, and employment for a vast number of work-
men. Although only one-third of the line is built, there are now about 1,000
'men employed in lumbering, where formerly there was no employment for
labour. During the past twelve months the road has transported 8,130,000
feet B.M. lumber, 3,000,000 feet square timber ; 17,144 cords of firewood,
103 cars of spars, tan bark and other goods, and 50,388 passengers.

When the line reaches the vicinity of Lake St. John it will open up a
rich agricultural country capable of sustaining a population of a million, and
jof growing wheat and all cereals to great advantage. This district has already
'a population of 40,000. It is to be regretted that the resources of the enter-
prise are so limited, as it is most desirable that the railway should be com-
'.pleted at the earliest date possible.

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A. 188

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.
St. Raymond to Lake St. John — 145 Miles.

Estimate of cost, exclusive of station buildings, workshops, water service, &c.,'ffl
rolling stock and equipment and engineering, submitted by company, 2
and 8th Nov., 1883— Nos. 32643 and 32691.

SECTIONS.

Estimated Cost.

Percentage of Whole.

Proportions of Total
Subsidy, p ay a b 1 e
on completion of
,..v.i, y, .,.*■;,.„

St. Raymond to

10th mile.

10 to 20

$
152,192
159,523
165,331
119,990
131,690
117,890
115,340
124,750
185,470
149,650
112,490
127,390
133,570
132,370
72,855

7-61
7-98
8-27
6 00
6-58
5 89
5-77
624
9 27
7-48

5 62
637

6 67
6 • 61
3 64

$
35,310
37,027
38,373
27,840
30,532
27,330
26,773

43,012

34,707
26,077
2!), 557
30.949
30,670
16,8M

3
4

20 " 30

30 " 40

5
6

40 lt 50

50 . " 60

00 " 70

70 "80

80 " 90

90 "100

100 "110

110 "120

120 "130

14
15

130 "140

140 "145

.$2,000,441

100 00

$464,000

Subsidy — 145 miles, at $3,200 per mile

$464,000

Exhibit " LJ" 15, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk R. C

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 22ftj
April, 1885.

On a memorandum dated 17th April, 1885, from the acting Minister <|
Railways and Canals, representing that an inspection has been made by tfc
proper officers of a further portion of the subsidize line of the Quebec andLakj
St. John Railway Company between St. Raymond aud Lake St. John, sue!
portion being the second 10-mile section north from St. Raymond.

The Minister, on the reports dated the 8th and 16th inst, from the chuj
engineer of Government railways, to the effect that the work on th
section is completed so far as to enable the section to be opened for publi
traffic with safety, and that the amount of the subsidy allotted thereto :
$37,027, recommends that authority be given for the payment to the compan
of the sum named.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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Exhibit " U " 10, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST AVE 1 1 A. MEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Quebec and Lake St. Johu Railway,

Quebec, 9th September, 1885.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Railway Department, Ottawa.

Dear Sir, — We have transferred to Messrs. Ross & Co., by deed before
lotary, the* subsidy payable by the Dominion upon thirty miles of this rail-
way, from station 2714, near the Riviere a Pierre, to station 4298, opposite the
sland of Lake Edward.

Ross & Co. wTish to authorize the Quebec Bank to draw the money, and
isk us to execute a power of attorney (on your printed form) in favour of the
;>ank for that purpose.

Should not the power of attorney be executed by Ross & Co., they being
ilready in possession of a transfer of the subsidy?

If not, if it is to be executed by the company, will there be any objections
o our stating on the power of attorney that it is for the subsidy from station
2714 to station 4298? I ask this because your printed form says no additions
nust be made.

As I have a meeting of the directors at 3 p.m. to-morrow, to close the
natter, would you kindly wire me an answer to these two questions ?

Yours truly,

J. G. SCOTT.

Exhibit " LJ " 17, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

The Quebec Bank, Ottawa, 11th September, 1885.

\. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — I have the honour to inclose a receipt from Messrs. Ross & Co.,
iuebec, to be placed on file in your office. Please favour me with an acknow-
edgment.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

S. PIDDINGTO^,

pro Manager.

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Exhibit " LJ " 18, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUS. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Ottawa, 7th September, 1885.

COLLrNGWOOD SCHREIBER, Esq.,

Chief Engineer Government Railways.

Sia, — In obedience to your instructions I inspected during tla
last week the third ten miles section of the Quebec and Lake S
John Railway, extending from the 20th to 30th mile north of S
Raymond, and now beg to report — That the curves anfl gradient
as far as I could judge without actual instrumental measurement
conform to the requirements of the specification and to the plat
and profile of location approved by Order in Council of 16tl
March, 1885

Clearing. The soil has been cleared to a width of 50 feet on each sic

of the centre line.

Cutting and The width of rock catting at formation is 20 feet, the width <

bank* earth 24 feet, and embankment 15 feet.

Culverts. The culverts are for the most part stone box, the smaller on<

being built dry and the larger with Portland cement, and are of
substantial character ; in the light banks timber has been used, bi
of which there are not many.

Bridges. At 22 J mile — A steel through truss 150 feet clear span — ti

abutments of first class masonry of granite, laid on Portland eeineni
At 25J mile — Steel girder, 30 feet span, masonry abutments. A
25} mile — Steel girder, 30 feet span, masonry abutments.

• These bridges were constructed by the Dominion Bridcj
Company and are of very ample strength.

28 J mile. — Trestle (temporary) 400 feet long and 16 fej
average height; at this point a dry stone culvert has been built, ar
the whole will be filled in with solid embankment in about :
fortnight.

'ermanent The track through this section has been laid with 56-lb. ste

rails, having one angle and one plain fish-plate at each joint.
The ties are of tamarack and cedar.
The line has been fully ballasted up to the 28th mile, and tl
remaining two miles will be completed in a short time, as taj
ballast trains are at work ; the banks, however, are composed j
good gravel, and the track up to the 30th mile is in very gocH
shape.

Sidings. 22 mile — Two permanent sidings, in all 1,500 feet.

25 mile— Ballast siding, in all 1,000 "

30 mile — Permanent siding, in all 800 "

At 22 mile there is a temporary engine shed for two loconi;
tives, with tank and pumping engine and small repair shop.

The work on the next section up to the 40th mile is wc
advanced ; the track has been laid to the 35th mile, and it is expect*
to have the line fully completed to the 40th mile by the end !
October.

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Edg-ar versus Caron.

Mr. Cadman, the engineer of the company, furnished me with
t profile showing the state ot the work on the latter section, which
I hand in herewith. Rail and fastenings sufficient to lay to the
t")0th mile are now delivered on the line, to which point the com-
pany expect to have the track laid before the close of the present
3eason.

The location, however, has not been approved beyond the 31st See memo, or
mile, as the company have not yet re-submitted the plans and 35^° "
proliles. I called the attention of Mr. Scott to this, as the contract
provides that the location shall be approved by the Government
before work is commenced on any section.

There are at present in use in construction 2 steam shovels,
3 locomotives, 41 flat cars and 2 box.

No station buildings of a permanent character have been station build-
ted on the section between the 20th and 30th mile, but as the in^8,
titry here is totally unsettled, there is, of course, no immediate
tor any, and the erection of them might well be postponed until
the proper sites are further developed.

In conclusion, I may add that this railway is now being worked
for traffic by the company up to Lake Simon, a point 10 miles
north of St. .Raymond and 46 miles from Quebec, the whole of
which, and up to the point now specially reported on, is in very
good condition.

The rolling stock now in use for traffic consists of 3 locomo-
tives, 2 first class passenger cars, 2 second class passenger cars, 2 .
baggage and mail, 2 vans, 8 box cars, 80 platform, 2 snow ploughs
and 7 hand cars.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

THOMAS REDOUT.

Note.— For proportion of subsidy payable on each section,
see report of 4th April, 1885.

(Copy.)

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 12th September, 1885.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout has inspected the section of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway between the 20th and 30th miles next from St. Raymond, with a view
to payment of the subsidy applicable thereto. This section appears to have been
constructed according to the requirements of the contract. No station build-
ings, however, have been erected on this section, but inasmuch as it is a dense
forest, none really are wanted at present. I therefore think that under the
terms of the subsidy contract, the subsidy of $38,373 applicable to this section
has been earned, and the company may be considered entitled to receive it.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

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Exhibit " LJ " 19, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST A YE HA MEL,

(Copy.) Clerk B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by the Honourable the Deputy Governor in Council on the 15]
September, 1885.

On a memorandum dated 14th September, 1885, from the acting Minist
of Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 12th instant the chi|
engineer of Government railways has reported to the effect that an ins]
tion of a further ten mile section of the subsidized line of the Quebec and Lj
St. John Railway has been duly made.

The Minister further represents that such section lying between the 20t
and 3 Oth miles west from St. Raymond has been built according to the requii
ments of the contract with this company. Eo stations have, however, b*
erected, the road passing through a dense forest where none are yet needed.

The Minister, on the advice of the chief engineer, recommends thi
authority be granted for the payment to the company of the amount of tht
subsidy apportioned to the section in question, namely $38,378.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingll

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Exhibit •' LJ " 20, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

. GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

Quebec, 21st September, 1885.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Railway Dept., Ottawa.

Sir, — I beg to inclose notarial copies of the following trans
of subsidies payable by the Government to this company. — Tessie i
N.P.

Aug. 24th Transfer in favour of Ross & Co., of $70,000, out of the specii

im' subsidy of $96,000. Statute of 1885.

Aug. 24th. Transfer in favour of Honourable J. G. Ross, as president of tli

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Cc
of $26,000 out of the special subsidy $96,000.

Sept. i it i,. Transfer in favour of Ross & Co., of $32,000, being the subsiq

upon 10 miles, from station 3770 to 4298.

Please acknowledge receipt.

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

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Exhibit "LJ" 21, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company,

Quebec. 10th October, 1885.
V. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Railway Department, Ottawa.

Sir, — I beg to inclose a copy of a resolution of the board of directors of
he Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company,
ransferring to the Quebec Bank the subsidy to the extent of $26,000 trans-
erred to me in my capacity as president of that company, on the 24th
August last, by deed before Tessier, N.P., a copy of which deed was duly
Drwarded to you.

Please acknowledge receipt.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

mO. G. ROSS, President.

Quebec, 6th October, 1885.

Extract from the minutes of a meeting of the directors of the Quebec and
ke St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, held at Quebec on
6th October, 1885":

Proposed by E. Beaudet, seconded by Hon. P. Garneau, —

" That the portion of the special subsidy of $96,000 voted to the Quebec
id Lake St. John Railway by the Dominion Parliament in 1885, amounting
$26,000, transferred to the Hon. J. G. Ross,. in his capacity of president of
lis company, by deed Tessier, N\P., dated 24th August 1885, be and is hereby
-ansferred to the Quebec Bank, as security for advance to be made to this
>mpany, with authority to the said bank to receive payment of the same
hen due.'' — Carried.

A true exact from the minutes. Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 22, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C. •

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 9th November, 1885.
. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout has inspected the section of the Lake St. John Railway
om the 30th to the 40th mile north of St. Raymond in response to the com-
'ury's application for the payment of the subsidy applicable to this 10-mile
jction, and he reports the work to have been executed according to the

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conditions of the contract, and that the road is in good running order. X
stations have, however, been erected, and as the line runs through a dens
forest, he is of opinion none are needed at present. The subsidy applicable i
this section amounts to $27,840, which may be claimed to have been earned

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 23, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 16i|
November, 1885.

On a memorandum dated 9th November, 1885, from the Minister j
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 9th inst. the Goverj
merit chief engineer of railways has reported in relation to the fourth 1
mile section of the subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railwaj
namely, from the beginning of the 30th to the beginning of the 40th mile nori
of St. Raymond, that the work has been executed according to the conditio!
of the contract, and that the road is in good running order; the amonnt of tl(
subsidy applicable to this section he sets down as $27,840.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for payment accor

ingly-

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 24, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 11th January, 1886.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Tli<' secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway haviil
applied for an inspection of the section of their road between the 40th ail:
50th miles north of St. Raymond, with a view to the payment of the subsifl
applicable thereto, I have the honour to report that Mr. Ridout has examinfi
the section above referred to, and reports the location to be in conformity
the requirements o!' the contract, and that the work executed to be well dov
and of good quality, except that a few wooden culverts have been introducj
which is not admissible under the contract and that the following work remai
to be done to complete the section : —

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1st, The erection of an iron bridge over the Mequiq River, a 60-feetspan,
the bridge being at the site.

2nd. The filling of 60 feet of temporary trestle and making up slacks in
embankments.

3rd. Seven miles are only partially ballasted.

4th. That the wooden culverts require to be taken out and replaced by
masonry or iron pipes.

5th. Water services not provided.

The cost of executing the works remaining to be done and the substitu-
tion of masonry for wooden culverts is estimated by Mr. Ridout at $6,000.

I may mention that there are no station buildings erected, but as the
road passes through a dense forest they will not be required for some time to
come. The rolling stock provided consists of : —

4 Locomotives.
2 1st class passenger cars.
2 2nd class passenger cars.
2 baggage and mail cars.

2 Vans. , ,

8 Box cars.
80 Platform cars.
2 Snow ploughs.

The amount of subsidy applicable to this section is : —

§30,532 00
Value of work remaining to be done 6,00) 00

Balance $24,532 00

This balance of $24,532.00 I consider might safely be paid.
I am, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLWGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Exhibit "LJ " 25, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Quebec and Lakb St. John Railway,

Quebec, 12th January, 1886.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways, Ottawa.
Sir, — On behalf of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, I beg
to make application to enter into an agreement with the Government with
reference to that portion of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway extending
from its junction with the North Shore Railwav to St. Raymond, subsidized
by Act 48-49 Vic. chap. 59.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18&j

Exhibit " LJ" 26, filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Certified Copy of a Beport of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the ISt)
January, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 13th January, 1886, from the Minister o]
Railways and Canals, submitting a report dated 11th January, inst., from thi
Government chief engineer of railways, to the effect that an inspection hat
been made by the proper officer of a further section often (10) miles of a sul
sidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, namely, between th(
40th and 50th mile north of St. Raymond, the location up to the 54tl
mile having been approved by an Order in Council of the 7th November last
and that the subsidy applicable to this section is $30,532, but that work t(
the value of $6,000 still remains to be done, he advises that the sum o:j
$24,532 may safely be paid.

The Minister, on the report of the chief engineer, recommends thai
authority be given for payment of the above amount, namely, twenty-foui
thousand five hundred and thirty-two dollars ($24,532).

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly.!

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 27, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Beport of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council^
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2Sth\
January, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 25th January, .1886, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, submitting that at the last session of Parliament the
following subsidy was voted : —

"To the Quebec and Lake St. John'Railway Company, for a line of rail-
way from its junction on the North Shore Railway to St. Raymond, upon
condition of the company extending their road to a point fifty (50) miles
north of St. Raymond, a subsidy not exceeding $3,200 per mile, nor exceed-
ing in the whole $96,000."

And that under date the 12th instant the company have applied to enter
into contract with a view to obtaining this subsidy, and have furnished plans
of the road.

The Minister further submits a report dated 23rd January, instant, from
the Government chief engineer, to the effect that the distance between the'
point> named Is thirty-one (31) miles, that the sharpest curve is found to be
7°, or 819 feet radiu.-. and the maximum grade 132 feet per mile ; further, that
the ro;nl is already constructed and has been in operation several years.

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'©

The Minister recommends that the draft agreement herewith, containing
the descriptions, specifications and condition* thereof, be approved, that the
location shown on the plans furnished, a copy of which is attached hereto, he
&ho approved, and that he be authorized to sign the said draft agreement on
behalf of the Government, the company having extended their road to a point
fifty (50) miles north of St. Raymond, as required by the subsidizing Act.

The committee submit the same for your Excellency's approval, and they
advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

SPECIFICATIONS AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line, with gauge four feet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradients and curvatures shall be the best the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed
one hundred and thirty-two feet to the mile, and the minimum curvature not
to be of less radius than eight hundred and nineteen feet

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
less than fifty feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logs must be
completely burnt, and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within. the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. Through settlements, the railway must be inclosed with substantially
built legal fences, of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to
accommodate the farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be, for rock, eighteen
feet ; for earth, twenty feet ; embankments, fifteen feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under drains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges
must be of massive masonry, except abutments of bridge over Little River
at second mile north of junction with the North Shore Railway, which may be
)f pine timber cribwork, filled with stone ; and culverts under embankments
wer twelve feet in height must be of well built, strong second-class masonry
3r iron, made of durable and suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in
character, and equal in every essential particular to the best description of like
vvork employed in similar railway work in the Dominion. Culverts under
embankments less than twelve feet in height may be of pine wood. Super-
structure of truss bridges may be of wood.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty pounds per
;ineal yard, of approved pattern, and with the most approved fish-plate.

12th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other suit-
able material. The sleepers to be eight inches face by six inches thick, and eight
feet long, 2,6oO to the mile.

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13th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's'
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet thci
requirements of the traffic, shall be provided by the company.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and conduct!
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company.

This Contract and Agreement, made the day of in the year;

one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six, —

Between Her Majesty the QUEEN, acting in respect of the Dominion olf
Canada, and herein represented by the Honourable John Henry Pope, Minis-
ter of Railways and Canals, of the first part, and the Quebec and Lake St
John Railway Company, of the second part ;

\Yitnessetij. that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session oi[
the Parliament of Canada held in the forty-eighth and forty-ninth year of Heij
Majesty's reign, chaptered fifty-nine, and intituled : " An Act to authorize thq
granting of the subsidies therein mentioned in aid of the construction of certain
railways," amongst . other things, in effect enacted : " That the Governor id
Council may grant to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company |
for a line of railway from its junction on the North Shore Railway to St. Ravi
moncl, upon the condition of the company extending their road to a point 5(
miles north of St. Raymond, —

A subsidy not exceeding three thousand two hundred dollars per mile
nor exceeding in the whole ninety-six thousand dollars, the said railway td
be commenced within two years from the first day of August, A.D. 1885, and
completed within a reasonable time, not to exceed four years, to be fixed b};
Order in Council, and to be'constructed according to descriptions and specif!
cations and upon conditions to be approved by the Governor in Council, on
the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in an agree j
ment to be made by the company with the Government ; the location of suet!
line of railway to be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, the
said subsidy to be payable out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada b}|
instalments, on the completion of each section of the railway of not less thai!
ten miles, proportionate to the value of the portion so completed in compan
son with that of the whole work undertaken, to be established by the repori;
of the said Minister.

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to
such conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and
other rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates tei
all railways connecting the line of railway so subsidizied, as the Governor ir
Council may determine.

And Whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip'
tions, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked u A," as th>
descriptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the railway
from the junction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Raihvay on the Norttj
Shore Railway to St. Raymond, and of the location thereof.

Now this Agreement Witnessetii, that in consideration of the said subsidV
to be paid in the manner aforesaid, "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company " covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her heirs and
successors, in manner following, that is to say : —

1. Thai the company have already built aline of railway from thejunctioi
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, on the North Shore Railway to St
Raymond, the points and route and course being shown on the map filed ir

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•!i.' Department of Railways and Canals, marked " B," and all bridges, culverts
and works appurtenant thereto, and have completed the said line of railway,
bridges, culverts, and performed all engineering services, whether in the field,
or in preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction of
Jbe Governor in Council.

2. That the company have satisfied the said Minister as to their com-
pliance with the condition mentioned in the Act above mentioned of extending
their road to a point 50 miles north of St. Raymond.

3. That the gradients and alignments are the best that the physical
features of the country admit of, in conformity with the aforesaid specifications
hereto annexed, marked " A."

4. That the company have furnished profiles and plans of the whole line
of railway herein subsidized, such profiles and plans have been approved by
the Governor in Council, and before any payments are made, the company
will furnish such further returns as may be required to satisfy the Minister of
Railways and Canals as to the relative value of the works executed with that
remaining to be done.

6. That the company will truly and faithfully keep the said line of rail-
way and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient wTorking and
running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company have completed the said line of railway and works
appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the specification hereto
annexed, marked " A, " and upon a line of location approved of by the
Governor in Council.

8. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such
conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other
rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all
railways connecting with the said line of railway, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

9. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto,
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and real,
of every character, shall be the property of the company.

In Witness Whereof, "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany " have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto, and these
presents to be signed by the president and by the secretary of the said
company, and the Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his
hand and caused the same to be sealed and countersigned by the secretary of
the Department of Railways and Canals.

Signed by the president and by the secretary of the said company, the
corporate seal of the company having been hereto affixed, in the presence
of

Signed and sealed by the Minister and by the secretary of the Department
of Railways and Canals, in the presence of

Minister of Railways and Canals.

Secretary

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Exhibit «LJ " 28, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager, •

Ottawa, 11th February, 1886.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — By the 48th Victoria, chapter 59, a subsidy was granted to thd
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, the conditions of which are M
follows, viz.: — "To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, for d
line of railway from its junction on the North Shore Railway to St. Raymond,
upon condition of the company extending their road to a point 50 miles north
of St. Raymond, a subsidy not exceeding $3,200 per mile, nor exceeding in
the whole $96,000."

I have the honour to report that the track is laid for a distance of 50
miles north of St. Raymond, and although the road is not absolutely at present
completed according to contract, the road being in running condition for the
50 miles north of St. Raymond, it appears to me may be accepted as a fulfil-
ment of the spirit of the Subsidy Act granting the $96,000. At the date of the
passing of the Act the section of 31 miles from the junction of the North Shore
Railway to St. Raymond was completed and had been in operation some time.
I therefore consider the subsidy of $96,000 has been earned.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 29, for the Crown; filed 2lst September, 1892.

GtTSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy CounciU
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 17 'th
February, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 12th February, 1886, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, submitting that by the Act 48-49 Vic, cap. 59, a subsidy
not exceeding $96,000 was authorized to be granted to the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Company for a line of railway from its junction on the North
Shore Railway to St. Raymond, such grant to be conditioned on the company
extending their road to a point 50 miles north of St. Raymond, and that
under date the 28th of January an Order in Council was passed authorizing
entry into contract for this work, and on the 10th instant such contract was
duly executed.

The Minister represents that under date the 11th instant the Govern-
ment chief engineer has reported to the effect that the road for the 50 miles
north of St. Raymond is in running condition, and may be accepted as a fulfil-

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'©

merit of the condition referred to in the Act; further, that the section of 31
Oiles now subsidized, extending from, the junction of the North Shore
Railway to St. Raymond, was completed and in operation prior to the passage
of the Act. The said subsidy of $96,000 has therefore, he considers, been
earned.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for its payment to the
company.

The committee advise that authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 30, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Department Railways and Canals,

Minister's Office, 4th March, 1886.
Honourable J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways.

My Dear Mr. Pope, — I beg to inclose to you the petition of the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway, which has been placed in my hands for the pur-
pose of transferring it to you.

Believe me yours truly,

ADOLPHE P. CAROK

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

Quebec, 2nd March, 1886.
To the Honourable J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways, Ottawa.

Sir, — I am directed respectfully to repeat the application made to the
Dominion Government on the 26th of January, 1885, that the subsidy voted
to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway may be increased to $6,000 per
mile upon the whole mileage of 180 miles from Quebec to Lake St. John. In
support of this application, the directors respectfully urge the following
facts : —

1. That this railway has now become an important feeder to the Canadian
Pacific Railway by the recent extension of the latter to the port of Quebec.

2. That it will open up a rich agricultural and lumbering country,
containing, in the area between the Saguenay and St. Maurice rivers, some
28,000,000 acres of valuable land, capable of sustaining a population of over a
million, and already containing some 40,000 inhabitants, who, owing to their
isolation, have not so far benefited by any of the public works or public
expenditure of the country.

3. That this railway must eventually form part of a line to James Bay,
opening up a territory 300 miles further south than Hudson's Bay, the value
of which for fishing, mineral and agricultural purposes has been heretofore
much underestimated. And for this reason the railway has an inter-
provincial instead of a merely local character.

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4. That the railway has already been productive of inestimable advantage!
to the country through which it runs ; settlement and industries progressing
rapidly, and lumbering operations, previously unknown in that district, novl
furnishing employment to some 1,500 persons, a rate of progress, which, ij
continued, will in a very few years build up another district like the Eastern
Townships in the northen part of the province.

That for all these reasons this enterprise has special claims, which cannoj
be urged in favour of any of the others with which it has hitherto been ranked
by Dominion legislation, and may in many respects be considered as a worlj
which should be undertaken by Government.

The total distance from its junction with the C. P. R., four miles west o|
Quebec, to Lake St. John, is 175 miles, or, adding 5 miles for extension
deep water at Lake St. John, 180 miles.

The mileage completed from the junction to the island of Lake Edwarc
is 82 miles, leaving 98 miles still to construct.

The prest nt cash subsidies are : —

Dominion of Canada, 175 miles, at $3,200 $ 560,000

Province of Quebec, 170 " 5,000 850,000

City of Quebec, $450,000, less interest & discount. 400,000

$1,810,000

or, as nearly as possible, $10,000 per mile, besides a land grant of 5,000 acre]
per mile from the province of Quebec.

The cost of the road, which is difficult of construction, has been, so fa
about $22,700 per mile, partially equipped, and it is estimated that when fulh
equipped and stocked the whole line will cost about $30,000 per mile. L
completing the portion constructed, the company have had the benefit of :|
large amount of private capital, which cannot be calculated upon for the las
half of the road, and of an advance from the province of Quebec out of futui
subsidies of $148,000. It has also been necessary to expend, in order to coi
plete the last 40 miles, the sum of $96,000 voted by the Dominion last sessioi
for 30 miles previously constructed, which sum, according to the contract
should have been devoted towards building an independent entrance into thij
city of Quebec. Thus, some $244,000 of the subsidies belonging to unfinishec
portions of the road have been unavoidably expended in completing th<i
expensive central sections. The heaviest work on the whole line has still t<j
be overcome, the bridging of the Batiscan River and earthwork on the sui
mit section beyond Lake Edward being very expeusive. It will be seen froi
this how essential it is that additional aid should be granted by the Dominioi
to enable the company to complete the main line, not to speak of the branchej
to Chicoutimi,to La Tuque and to St. Gabriel— 100 miles in all — withoi
which the wants of the present population will not be met, nor the traffic <
the railway receive that impetus which is necessary to make the enterpris
successful. If the subsidy be increased to $6,000 per mile, as above statec
the company will undertake to complete the main line to Lake St. John durin:
the summer of 1887 ; to build a new entrance through St. Ambroise into thj
city of Quebec, and to the Government works at the Louise docks ; to exten<
the road five miles to deep water at Lake St. John ; to put a steamer on Lai
St. John, to bring all the parishes on the lake into communication with tl
railway, and to build the necessary wharves and lighthouses to ensure tl
safe navigation of the lake.

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The company did not insist upon pressing its claim last war on account
(4' (he heavy calls upon the Government from other railways and public works,
but the directors trust that the claims of the enterprise will now be recognized,
and that they may be put in a position to complete, without any further
delay, a road which, with its branches, will form a great railway system,
developing the whole of the valuable northern section of the province of Quebec.

Should the additional aid asked not be granted, the impossibility of
getting more private capital than is already in the work, and the fact of the
subsidies of the unfinished portion of the road- having been to a large extent
anticipated, will compel the company to suspend operations. Such a result
would be greatly regretted throughout the province of Quebec, where this
railway is looked upon as a national undertaking.

As requested by the Right Honourable the Premier, at the interview held
with the directors this day, I beg to annex to this application copies of reports
and statistics having reference to the country to be opened up by this railway.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

JAS. G. ROSS,

President.

REPORT OF A TRIP FROM LAKE ST. JOH^ TO QUEBEC.

Through the Interior by way of the proposed Route for the Railway. Made
by the Rev. J. E. Lizotte, Cure of Notre-Dame du Lac Saint-Jean (Ro-
berval) and Messrs. Euloge Menard, merchant, and Horace Dumais, Pro-
vincial Land Surveyor, of the same place. (Extracted by permission from
the Diary of the Rev. Mr. Lizotte.)

The party left Lake St. John in vehicles and drove to the new settlements
which have recently been established on the shores of Lake Bouchette, a dis-
tance of 25 miles from Lake St. John. There they took two bark canoes and
some men, and with the necessary provisions, tents and other equipments,
started on their voyage. The following is a synopsis of their daily work : —

1st June, 1885. — Left Lake Bouchette in two canoes. Went through the
lake and camped for the night six miles north of the head of Commissioners
Lake.

2nd June. — On Commissioners Lake, thence up the Riviere Ouiatchouan,
through a chain of lakes to Lac Ecarte, the head-waters of that river. Then
made a portage of 20 acres to the head-waters of the Bostonais, Lake
Najoualouank, which is 12 miles long ; slept there.

3rd June. — Left Lake Najoualouank, made a portage of 28 acres and
went up stream into a chain of lakes, then made a portage over the height of
land to the waters of Lake Edward, and camped on the portage.

4th June. — Finished the portage of 28 acres, into a chain of lakes flowing
\ into Lake Edward. Crossed Lake Edward at about two-thirds of its length,
and made a portage of about 20 acres to the west. Left Lake Edward and
\ got into a chain of lakes and into little Lake Ecarte, and camped there. Made
\ only three-quarters of a day, being a holiday.

5th June. — Left. little Lake .Ecarte, and went down to the Vermillion
! River into Riviere Jeannotte and Lac Castor. Then down the river to the
| island of Lake Edward, near the forks.

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6th June. — Left the river Jeannotte to portage the rapids to Lake Ver
million, thence into the Lac des lies, and arrived at the mouth of the Rive
Mequiq — which flows into the Batiscanfrom the East — at noon. Lett the canoes
there, for the men to take back to Lake St. John, and took to the grading o:
the railway which the party followed on foot, for a distance of 20 miles, to th(
end of the track at Riviere a Pierre, where Sunday was spent at the residenc
of the first settler, Mr. St. Onge.

8th June. — Took ballast train from Riviere a Pierre to Lake Simon, whe]
the regular train took the party to Quebec, arriving there at 6 p.m.

The following is a description of the different points along the line.

Lake Bouchette

The country around this lake is partly divided into lots, composing the
townships of Dablon and Dequen. Althought it is only two years since the
first settler came there from Lake St. John, four ranges have been taken upj
work has already been done on over 100 lots, 10 families already reside there.)
and 15 additional families will winter there this year. The land is of a sand;;
loam, with some clay, of excellent quality, and well fitted for agriculture,;
The crops have succeeded well. The climate is very good. The timber is
composed of spruce, white birch and other woods.

Commissioners Lake.

Two families of settlers are already established here and have houses
built. The land is of excellent quality, being a dark loam. There is a ver^
large quantity of land available, especially to the east and south. To the
west it is more hilly but good. The mountains are small and the land undu-
lating. The climate is good, and the foliage was quite as well advanced as at
Lake St. John. The timber is similar to that around Lake Bouchette. Thei
is also some birch and tamarack.

Commissioners Lake to Lake ^ajoualouank.

The country all along this distance is level and undulating. No moun-
tains to be seen. The land is a yellow loam of good quality, and the timber;
long and good, and of the same description as before mentioned. At Lakes
Najoualouank there is a great deal of large tamarack. The lake is very beau-.;
tiful and the trees have a fine appearance. The land is rocky in some places;
around the lake, but in other places there are no rocks at all.

Lake Najoualouank to Lake Edward.

In crossing this height of land between the waters of Lake St. John and!
those of the St. Lawrence it was expected to have found steep mountains and
a rough country, but instead the party found a level plateau, well timbered,
the land consisting of a yellow loam, sandy in some places, but always fit for!
cultivation.

Lake Edward and the Island of Lake Edward.

The valley becomes larger and the country has a beautiful aspect, convey-;
ing the same impression as that produced by the country around Lake St. Johi
Fine trees of large and vigorous growth consisting of good merchantab]
BPru.ce :UI(| very large birch and white birch, having the appearance of a pari
The climate seems to be quite as good as at Lake St. John as the foliage
quite as far advanced and vegetation vigorous.

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The land is a little less undulating than in the parts above described, and
is composed of a yellow sandy loam, very good for agricultural purposes. No
mountains are to be seen, but only little elevations in the distance. These
lands are not only at Lake Edward, but extend to the westward. Hunters
say that at some distance from the lake there are considerable groves of maple.
The appearance of the lake is very beautiful, its shores, islands and bays
presenting a very attractive aspect. It is said to be finer in appearance than
Lake Memphremagog, and is 18 milles in length by 50 miles in circum-
ference.

Riviere Jeannotte.

The land and the timber in the neighbourhood of this river, which forms
the western boundary of the Island of Lake Edward, are similar to those just
described. Looking towards the St. Maurice, the land looks to be very level
and well wooded, and. descending the Jeannotte, which is a branch of the
Batiscan the good land extends as far as the Riviere Mequiq.-

Riviere Mequiq to Riviere a Pierre.

The country is mountainous, but is richly timbered with large timber,
principally birch and spruce. At Riviere a Pierre, some of the land is fit for

settlement.

Summary.

The following may be deduced as a summary of the results of the ex-
ploration : —

Land.

Erom the Riviere Mequiq to Lake St. John, two-thirds to three-fourths
of the land may be said to be fit for settlement. The country is level and
undulating, no mountains having been seen after leaving Lake St. John until
the arrival of the party at the Riviere Mequiq. The soil is nearly altogether
a good yellow loam ; in some places sandy or rocky, but generally very
fit for settlement. As a rule it is quite as good, and in some places much
better than that of the parish of St. Raymond, and would be specially well
adapted for raising cattle. Mr. Menard is of opinion that three-fourths of the
land is fit for settlement Mr. Bureau, the Government wood ranger, agrees
in this opinion. Mr. Dumais says two-thirds. Close to some of the lakes
the land does not look good nor well timbered, but on going in a few acres
it was always found that the land was good and the timber large and
valuable. The lakes and rivers abound in fish, especially trout, and cari-
bou, beavers, otters, ducks and all game abound.

Timber.

The timber is generally large and well grown up. It consists of birch,
spruce, tamarac, white birch and some maple, and a little pine, but not in
great quantity. There is some cedar at Lake Edward, and on the River Bos-
tonais great quantities of tamarac. There are good water powers everywhere,
and many mills will no doubt be established and a large business done in
lumber as soon as the railway is built. The timber will be of great assistance
to colonization, as may be judged by the experience of Mr. St. Onge, the first
settler at Riviere a Pierre, who told the party that in clearing ten acres of
land, he had got $200 for his wood, which, but for the railway, would have

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been burned in making tbe land. The lumber will furnish a large traffic f<
the railway besides giving employment to the new settlers for many years.

Climate.

The climate of the interior is even better than at Lake St. John. M:
Dumais says, that in February, 1875, when working in the woods at Lak
Edward, there was not enough snow to require the use of snow-shoes. I
March, 1876, at the same place, they had three days of rain, whereas on th
same three days there had been snow at Riviere du Loup, and Kamouraskj
On the 17th September, 1876, there was a heavy snow fall on the south shor
of the St. Lawrence whilst at Lake Edward there was no snow, and the leav(
were still quite full. In October of the same year, the weather was summe
like. On the 3rd June, 1885, all the treees at Lake Edward were covere
with foliage. The party slept in a tent with the door open, and no fire, an
were surprised to learn on arrival at Riviere a Pierre that there had bee
frost there every night during the week of their trip, although they had ha
none. The reports of hunters all agree that there is much less snow in th:
country than in Quebec.

Settlement.

Mr. Dumais states on the Island of Lake Edward alone three parish
may be established on each side of the island, and as many more on the west sid
of the Jeannotte, opposite the island. The Rev. Mr. Lizotte is of opinion, tha
judging from what the party saw and heard, it will be possible to establia
about fifty parishes between the River Mequiq and Lake St. John, in tl
immediate vicinity of the railway. All the party unite in declaring this in
mense territory to be eminently fitted for colonization, and deserving of tl
immediate attention of the Government for this reason.

Exhibit " LJ " 31, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY,

Quebec, 188

Statement for the Department of Railways and Canals, Ottawa, of the shar
holders of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Names of Shareholders.

Hon. Jas. G. Ross, Quebec, P.Q $ 25,000

W. S. Ogden, Cardiff, Wales 25,000

William Withall, Montreal, P.Q 25,000

John Ross, Quebec 25,000

James Connolly, Munissing, Mich 12,500

Estate late J. B. Renaud, Quebec, P.Q 5,000

Klisce Baudet, Quebec, P.Q 3,000

Hun. Sir A. P. Caron, Ottawa 2,500

Hon. P. Garneau, Quebec 2,000

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Hon. I. Thibaudeau 2,500

Estate late P. Vallee 500

City of Quebec 450,000

Small Shareholders representing of stock 101,000

$679,000

rav>
IBM

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY,

Quebec, 1st April, 1886.
. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Railway Department,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Referring to your favour of the 19th February last, I am now directed
forward you the inclosed list of the shareholders of this railway.

I am, sir,
Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

tji( Exhibit " LJ " 32, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GtrSTAVE HAMEL,

ii : Clerk E. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY,

Quebec, 21st June, 1886.
. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Railway Department,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I beg to inclose a copy of a notarial transfer of the subsidy of $3,200
r mile payable to this company by the Dominion Government, in favour of
essrs. Roes and Co., of Quebec, for forty miles, from station 4298 to station
10 (deed by Tessier, N.P., 17th February, 1886).

"Will you please acknowledge receipt ?

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

Exhibit " LJ " 33, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 7th July, 1886.

Sir, — In January last, I reported on the section of the Quebec and Lake St.
hn Railway lying between the 40th and 50th miles north of St. Raymond,

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and I recommended the payment of $24,532 of the $30,532 of subsidy apt
able to that section. This sum was paid under authority of C.C. dated 1
January, 1886. Mr. Ridout has just returned from a further inspection of i
section, and reports the work completed according to contract, entitling
company to receive the balance of the subsidy applicable to this sect]
amounting to $6,000, which I suggest be authorized to be paid.

I have the honour to be

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Sec'y Dept. of Railways & Canals,
Ottawa.

Exhibit " LJ " 34, for the Crown ; nled 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.\

Certified Copy of a Eeport of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Cow
approved by* His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
July, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 9th July, 1886, from the Minister of Raih
and Canals, submitting that oy an Order in Council of the 18th January
authority was given for the payment to the Quebec and Lake St. John
way Company of the sum of $24,532 out of the $30,532, applicable as p*
the subsidy granted by the Acts 45 Vic, cap. 14, and 46 Vic, cap. 25, to;
section of their line from the 40th to the 50th mile north of St. Raymond.]

The Minister, upon the Report of the Government Chief Engineer, t(
effect that the work is completed according to the contract made with]
company, recommends that authority be granted for the payment of the
ance, namely, six thousand dollars ($6,000), to which the company are entit

The committee advise that the required authority be granted accj
ingly.

JOHN J. McGEE;

Clerk, Privy Counci

Exhibit "LJ" 35 for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, 1
Government Railways in Operation.

Office of the Chief Engineer.

Ottawa, September 22nd, 1886.
A. P. Bradley,

retary, Railways and Canals.

Sir,— In compliance with the request of the Secretary of the Quebec
Luke St. John Railway Company, I instructed Mr. Ridout to inspect the sec
extending from the 50th to the 70th mile, north of St. Raymond, and h<
reports as follows : —

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ih to 60th mile.)

1. The alignments and gradients conform to the plan and profile approved
Order in Council, dated the 27th March, 1886.

2. The clearing is completed to a width of 50 feet on each side of the
fere line.

3. As the railway passes through wild lands no fences have been erected.

4. The grading is completed, rock cuttings being taken out 20 feet in
1th, gravel cuttings 24 feet in width.

5. The only bridge in this section is over the Batiscan River which is
inned by a steel truss of 160 feet resting on abutments of massive granite
sonry.

6. The culverts include stone drains, masonry box culverts, timber
im culverts and timber box culverts ; of the latter, there are nine which
:. being in accordance with the contract, should be replaced by open beam
verts.

7. THe track is laid with. 561b. steel rails, fully tied and ballasted.

8. The country being entirely unsettled, no station buildings have been
icted.

)th to 70th mile.)

1. The alignments and gradients on this section conform to the plan and
)file approved by Order in Council, dated the 14th June, 1886.

2. The clearing is completed for a width of 50 feet on each side of the
ltre line.

3. This section being altogether through an unsettled district, no fencing
3 been erected.

4. The grading is completed.

5. The culverts are built, including four timber box culverts, which
Duld be replaced by open culverts. At Station 5304 there are 30 feet of
nporary trestle work, to be replaced by a timber beam culvert.

6. The track is laid with 56 lb. rails, fully tied and the ballasting com-
bed for 6J miles ; a strong force was engaged completing this work, which
11 no doubt be finished in a few days.

7. There being no settlement in this section, station buildings have not
an erected.

The following subsidies are applicable to these sections, as follows : —
Hhto 60th mile.)

f 45 and 46 Vic $27,330

Authorized by \ 49 " 17,269

$44,599

Less — To replace box culverts and completion tim-
ber beam culverts 1,5*00

$43,099
»th to 70th mile.)

Authorized by: {^ i^:= W}gJ

$43,689
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Less — To replace box culverts and completion of

beam culverts $1,000

Ballasting 2,100

3,100

$40,589

Balance $83,688

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,
COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Per J. J. L.,
Chief Engineer Government Bailwax

Exhibit "L.J." 36, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Conn
approved by His Excellency the Administrator of the Government in Cou
cil on the 29th September, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 25th September, 1886, from the Minister
Railways and Canals, representing that, under date the 22nd instant, the Gc
ernment Chief Engineer of Railways has reported on the results of a furth
inspection of the road of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Compan
namely, of the portion between the 50th and 70th mile, north of St. Raymori
the whole line from St. Raymond to Lake St. John, a distance of about 1|>
miles, having been subsidized by successive Acts, namely :

(1.) By Act 45 Vic., cap. 16, to the extent of $3,200 a mile

for the whole distance , $384,000

(2.) By Act 46 Vic., cap. 25, to the extent of $3,200 a mile

for 25 miles 80,000

(3.) By Act 49 Vic, cap. 10, to the extent of $1,961 per mile
for a distance of 95 miles from a point 50 miles north
of St. Raymond.... 186,295

The Minister further represents that the inspection now made of tfe
portion between the 50th and 70th miles, the location of which was approv I
by Order in Council of 14th June last, shows, the chief engineer states, com-
pletion of the railway over that distance, in accordance with the requiremen
of the company's contract of 4th September, 1883, with the exception of v
small quantity of work valued at $4,600, and deducting this amount from U
total amount of the subsidies available under the Acts above cited, namel
$88,28* he finds the balance earned by the company to be $83,688.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment totp
company of the said sum of $83,688.

The committee advise that the requisite -authority be so granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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hibit " L.J," 37, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

THE QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 25th November, 1886.
Sir, — Mr. Ridout has inspected section No. 8, from the 70th to the;80th
ile, north of St. Raymond, and has re-inspected sections 6 and 7, lying between
e 50th and 70th miles, with the exception of a few timber box culverts built
in embankments which are condemned ; he states the work is well and sub-
stantially done.

The subsidy applicable to these three sections 6, 7 and 8,

from the 50th to the 80th mile, is $135,535

Deduct cost of replacing timber culverts with masonry 3,100

$132,435
Less — Amount paid on account of these sections

Balance

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Exhibit "LJ" 38, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.
Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 4th December, 1886.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,

Ottawa.
Sir, — It appears that the sum of $35,310 is applicable to the first 10 mile
section of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway north of St. Raymond,
whereas $32,000 only of the subsidy applicable to that section has been paid,
leaving a balance of $3,310 due thereon, which I now certify, as this section of
the road is completed.

The cause of $32,000 only having been previously certified upon this
section is that at the time the certificate was prepared, the total subsidy had
not been apportioned off' with sections.
I have the honour to be

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

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Exhibit " LJ" 39, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 7th
December, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 6th December, 1886, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, submitting that on the 15th of November, 1883, an
Order in Council was passed authorizing the payment to the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Company of the sum of $32,000 as the subsidy for the first
10 mile section of their road from St Raymond northwards.

The Minister represents that under date the 4th December instant, the
Government Chief Engineer of Railways has reported to the effect that at the
time of the certificate issued by him upon which the said Order in Council
was based, the subsidy had not been apportioned to the several sections of the
road, and that the amount properly due for the said first section was $35,310
in place of $32,000 and advises that the difference, viz , — $3,310 should now
be paid to the company.

The Minister concurring therein, recommends that authority be given for
such payment.

The Committee advise that authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ" 40, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 11th
December, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 16th December, 1886, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 25th ult. the Govern-
ment chief engineer of railways has reported on the results of an inspection
made of the portion of the line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,
between the 50th and the 80th mile north of St. Raymond, on which distance
a portion, namely, between the 50th and 70th mile, has already been inspected
and a certain portion ot the subsidy has been paid therefor, representing the
value of the work then done.

That from the said report it appears that the total amount of the subsidy
applicable to the whole of this distance, 30 miles— is $135,535, and that with
the exception of certain timber box culverts which are to be replaced with
masonry, the work is well executed. That to secure the construction of
masonry culverts, he proposes to retain the sum of $3, 100, making the amount
payable for the three sections in question, $132,435, less previous payments.
Thai the position of the company, in respect of these three sections, is as
follows : —

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Total subsidy applicable $ 135,

Less retained for masonry work 3,100

s 132,435
Less previous payments for the portion be-
tween the 50th and 70th mile 83,688

• Balance now payable $ 48,747

The minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to the
juebec and Lake St. John Railway Company of said sum of forty-eight
lousand seven hundred and forty-seven dollars ($48,747) under the present
3rtificate of the chief engineer of railways.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 41, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Quebec, 24th December, 1886.
L P. Bradley, Esq,

Secretary Railway Department, Ottawa.

Dear Sir, — Will you please send me a memo showing how the subsidy
>ayment of $48,747 made yesterday is arrived at, and how much of it belongs
o the $3,200 per mile subsidy, and how much to the $1,961 per mile.
Wishing you the compliments of the season.

Yours truly,

J. G. SCOTT.

Exhibit " LJ 42," for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 2nd February, 1887.

A.. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout has recently inspected the section of the Quebec and

Lake St. John Railway between the 80th and 90th mile, and between the

90th and 100th mile. Owing to the great depth of snow, he states, a satisfactory

inspection cannot be made, but that it is clear the section between the 90th

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and 100th mile is not nearly completed, and is in no condition to entitle th
company to a payment on account of subsidy.

That as far as he was enabled to judge, the work of construction on th
section between the 80th and 90th mile was far advanced towards completion
The grading and bridging is nearly completed, the track laid and the firs
lift of ballast is laid on. The work remaining to be done consists of th
filling of two temporary bridges, the laying of sidings, the providing of wate
services and station buildings, and completing the ballasting. As the roa<
passes through a dense forest, it is not considered necessary to erect fences.

Ninth Section, 80th to 90th Mile.

Proportion of subsidy applicable to section

80th to 90th mile, 45 and 46 Vic 43,012

Proportion of subsidy applicable to section

80th to 90th mile, 49 Victoria 27,162

— $70,174

Less estimated cost to complete.

Station buildings, water service and sidings 2,000

Filling at temporary trestle 2,000

Completing ballasting... 5,700

9,700

Balance $60,474

Between the 90th and 100th mile, the grading is said to be complete
and the track laid 7 miles. Mr. Ridout was unable to proceed further tha
the 91st mile as the road was completely blocked with snow.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLIffGWOOD SCHREIBER.

lei

Exhibit "LJ" 43, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Cektified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the St
February, 1887.

On a memorandum dated 2nd February, 1887, from the
Minister of Railways and Canals, representing that under
date the 2nd inst. the Government chief engineer of
railways has reported upon a further inspection of the
subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
way, namely, of the portion between the 80th and 90th
mile north of St. Raymond, the location up to the 100th
mile having been approved by an Order in Council dated
the 7th December, 1886, and that from the said report it
appears that of the subsidies granted by the several Acts
of 45 Vic, 46 Vic. and 4<> Vic. the total amount applic- ,

able to this section is $70,174 00

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That work, consisting of station buildings, water
service, filling and ballasting remains to be done valued at 9,700 00

The balance due to the company being $60,474 00

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of
;his amount.

The committee advise that authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 44, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy
Council, approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on
the 2bth August, 1887.

On a memorandum dated 19th August, 1887, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 13th inst. the Govern-
ment chief engineer of railways has reported upon a further inspection of the
subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway up to the 110th
mile and north of St. Raymond, and that he finds the grades, curves, etc.
satisfactory and the work in conformity with specifications, except as to a few
minor points.

The Minister further recommends that the

total subsidy applicable to this line
• from its junction with the C. P.- R. to

110th mile north of St. Raymond of

which the location has been duly

approved is $569,970

That deducting value of works to be rebuilt

so as to conform to specifications $3,100

And for work yet to be done to complete.. 5,400

8,500

Makes the amount of subsidy earned. $561,470

That the total subsidy paid to this company

to date is 457,991

Leaving a balance due now of. 8103,479

The Minister recommends that authority be granted to pay to the Quebec
and Lake St. John Company the above amount of $103,479.

Tlie committee advise that the required authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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Exhibit " LJ" 45 for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

. Ottawa, 13th August, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout, as directed, has inspected the Lake St. John Railway
to the 110th mile north of St. Raymond, and finds the location as regards
grades and curves, etc., in accordance with the contract and the work executed
of excellent qualit}7 and in accordance with the specifications, except as to a
few minor works, the value of which is deducted from this return.

Total subsidy applicable to line from its junction
with C. P. R., to 110 miles north of St. Ray-
mond , $569,970

Less value of works to be rebuilt to ~)

make them conform tospecifica- > $3,100
tions J

Less work yet to be done to complete $5,400

$8,500

Amount of subsidy earned $561,470

The company have earned $561,470 of subsidy from which should be
deducted previous payments.

I have the honour to be, sir,
Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " LJ" 46, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,
Clerk, E. C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 2nd September, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

eretary Railway Department, Ottawa.

Sir, — Will you kindly send me a memorandum showing how the amount
ol' the subsidy payment $103,479 first made this company, has been arrived at?

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

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fce

Exhibit "LJ" 47, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAMEL,

Clerk, RC.

On this, the sixth day of September, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
seven ; before the undersigned Notary Public for the province of Quebec,
Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared :

The Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated,
and having its principal place of business in the city of Quebec, represented in
this deed by Donald C. Thomson, of the city of Quebec, Esq., merchant, presi-
, dent, and Jean Alfred Gagne, of the town of Chicoutimi, Esq., secretary of
the company, duly authorized to the effects hereof, by a resolution of the
board of directors, held on the twenty-eighth of July, last, of the first part;

And the Quebec and Lake St. John R ail way Company, duly incorporated,
and having its principal place of business in the city of Quebec, represented in
this deed by Theophile LeDroit, of Quebec, merchant, president, and James
Guthrie Scott, of the same place, secretary of the company, duly authorized to
the effects hereof, by a resolution of the board of directors, held on the twenty-
seventh of August, last (1887), of the second part;

"Which said parties have covenanted and agreed as follows, viz :

In consideration of the party of the second part undertaking to construct
a branch line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, from a point in the
vicinity of Pointe aux Trembles, Lake St. John, to Chicoutimi and St.
Alphonse, upon the terms and conditions of the following resolutions adopted
by the directors of the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company, party
of the first part, on the twenty-eighth of July last, (1887), viz.:
(Translation.)

" That this Company consents and is willing that the Dominion Govern-
ment shall transfer and pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany the subsidy granted during last session to the Company for the construc-
tion of a railway to connect the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway with
Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, on the following conditions, to wit :

lo. On condition that the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
shall, without delay, pay to the Directors of the Company the expenses
incurred by them up to date, which are estimated at six thousand dollars,
without obligation to furnish an account in detail ;

2o. On condition that the road to be built, shall follow as tar as possible
the tracing made by the Engineer of this Company to Chicoutimi and St.
Alphonse, placing the Chicoutimi station at the Government wharf, or in front
or opposite the same at a distance not to exceed twenty arpents therefrom ;

3o. That the workshops for the said Branch be constructed in the town
of Chicoutimi, or near its limits, and that the general work of repairing, &c,
be there performed ;

4o. That that part of the road extending from the Junction to the post
of Metabetchouan be constructed before the 1st January next, and the
remainder of the road within the shortest delay possible, to wit, within two
full years from the adoption of this resolution ;

5o. That the tariff for passengers and freight shall be uniform per mile
throughout the whole extent of the road from St. Alphonse and Chicoutimi
to Quebec ;

6o. That a citizen of Chicoutimi, to be designated by the Bishop of
Chicoutimi, shall be admitted and maintained henceforward as a director

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of the principal company, — the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company,
and that another citizen of the county, to be in like manner designated by the
Bishop of Chicoutimi, be also appointed a director of the Quebec and James
Bay Railway Company, to represent the interests of the lower part of the
count}' ; and the said two directors shall- be ordinary directors of the said
Companies."

And in consideration of the sum of six thousand dollars mentioned in the
said resolutions, which shall be paid as soon as this transfer has been accepted
by the Government of the Dominion of Canada, the Saguenay and Lake St.
John Railway Company, party of the first part, do, hereby abandon in favour
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway company, party of the second part,
accepting hereof, any claim which they may have to a certain subsidy voted
at the last session or the Dominion Parliament and worded as follows : —

" To the Chicoutimi and Lake St. John Railway Company, for thirty
miles of their railway, from Lake St. John towards Chicoutimi or from Chi-
coutimi towards Lake St. John, a subsidy not exceeding three thousand two
hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the whole ninety-six thousand
dollars," and also any right or pretension which they may have to construct
the said railway under the Provincial Statute, 46 Victoria, chapter 94, or
otherwise, hereby ceding all such rights and all plans and profiles to the said
company, party herein of the second part. It is understood between the
parties hereto that the president and secretary of the vendors, in making
this transfer, incur no personal responsibility or guarantee.

This done and executed at Quebec, under the number seven thousand
two hundred and ninety-nine of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned
notary. In witness whereof, the said parties have signed with the said
notary, after the reading done.

T. LbDROIT, President
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
D C. THOMSON", Prest. Saguenay and Lake

St. John R. C.
J. A. GAGNE, Secretary, S. L. St. J. B.
CY. TESSIER, K P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

CY. TESSIER, N.P.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

Quebec, 6th September, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

<retary, Railway Department, Ottawa.

Sir, — I am directed to inclose for the information of your department*
copy of a notarial agreement, Tessier, K P., between the Saguenay and Lake
St. John Railway Company and the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com'
pany, by which the former cede and transfer to our company any pretensions
wliicli i hey may have to the subsidy of $96,000 voted at the last Session ol
the Dominion Parliament, to aid in the construction of a railway from Chicoui
timi towards lake St. John, or from Lake St. John towards Chicoutimi.

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x am further directed to request that the Government will acknowledge
jthe said transfer, and will prepare a contract, to be signed by our company,
for the construction of the mileage so subsidized, beginning at the point known
!a8"Pointe aux Trembles" Junction, at Lake St. John.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 48, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GTISTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Department of Justice,

Ottawa, 16th September, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your communica-
tion of the 15th instant, inclosing a notarial transfer from the Saguenay and
Lake St. John Railway Company to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company, of all the right and interest of the former company in the subsidy of
$96,000 voted by the Dominion Parliament by 50 and 51 Vic, chap. 24, to
aid in the construction of a railway from Chicoutimi towards Lake St. John
or from Lake St. John towards Chicoutimi, and asking to be advised whether
or not such transfer should be recognized by the Government, and the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway Company allowed to enter into a contract for the
construction of the mileage subsidized, beginning at a point known as "Pointe
aux Trembles" Junction or Lake St. John.

The Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company is a company exist-
ing under provincial charter (46th Vic, chap. 94), and is authorized to
construct 30 miles of railway as the main line between Chicoutimi and St.
John, together with branches of fifteen miles in length, the works to be
commenced within two years and completed within eight years from the date
of the passing of the Act of 1 883. The transfer submitted not only purports to
assign the subsidy voted by the Dominion Parliament but also all the rights
■ of the company to construct the railway under its charter.

As you observe, it is not shown that the transfer has been, or will be
confirmed by the Provincial Legislature of Quebec. I am of opinion that the
transfer should not be recognized by the Government in so far as to constitute
it the basis of an agreement under the statute for the construction of the
railway, etc. In this respect, the department should deal only with the
l Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company. I do not, however, see any
objection to recognizing a transfer of the subsidy to the transferee company as
sub-contractor in the event of the work being done by them for the
Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company.

Papers returned.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

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Exhibit "LJ" 49, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

•Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 5th October, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq., '

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout, ' acting under my instructions, has inspected the woi
of construction on the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway and reports
follows : — 100th to 110th mile. — Since the last inspection the ballasting on th
ten-mile section has been completed, but the erection of a steel girder of
feet span over the Joseph Lowes River and the replacing of two similar be
culverts with stone yet remains to be done. 110th to 120th mile. — The gr
dients and alignments on this section are in conformity with the subsidy co:
tracts and the work has been completed in accordance wTith the specificatioD
with the exception of a couple of wooden box culverts which have to 1
replaced by stone, and the erection of the station buildings. As this sectic
passes through a complete wilderness, no fences have been erected,
deviation from the approved plan and profile has been made between tl
112th and 114 J mile, whereby the line has been improved ; several 8° curv
have also been reduced to 5° and 6°. 120th to 130th mile. — This section h
been completed in accordance with the approved plan and profile, except th
between the 125th and 126J mile the grade has still to be raised. Tl
sharpest curve is 8° and the steepest grade 60 feet per mile. A small amou
of filling in around some culverts is not yet finished and a few banks have
be widened. The track is laid throughout this section and about six mil
are ballasted, four trains are at work night and day, so that the remaind
will be rapidly completed. No station buildings have been erected. Tl
attached statements Sos. 1 and 2, show the estimated value of work remainii
to be done up to the 130th mile, and the amount of subsidy earned.

Beyond the 130th mile, the plans and profiles have not been submits
for approval, although the works of construction are being vigorously push
i'orward ; the company should be requested to furnish these at an early datj

I \y the Subsidy Act of 46 Victoria, chapter 25, dated the 25th May, 188
the time for the completion of the railway to Lake St. John is limited to foi
years from that date.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

• COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Per J. L.

QUEBEC AND LA3£E ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Memo, re Subsidy.

Total amount of Subsidy $775,095 00

336

Edgar versus Caron.

A.MOUNTS CERTIFIED FOB PAYMENT.

No.

Sections.

Proportion of Sub-
sidy Applicable.

1 (eduction f< >r Work Re
quired to ( '• n 1 1 p]» -t » -.

Amount ( leri
men

ified tor Pay.

Miles.

.1 miction with Canadian
Pacific Railway to St.

sou, ooo

3o,310

37,027
38,373

27,840
30,532
44, 5! 10

43.080

47,247

70,174
56,634
42,545

48,224

50,510

J
1 ...

196,000

St. Kaymond to W miles

north

10 to 20

[35 3lo

37,027

:;s.373
l'7.840

■\

20 to 30

30 to h> ...

40 to 50

30,532

50 to 60

li timber box culverts to be
rebuilt with masonry. .

4 timber box culverts to be
rebuilt with masonry . .

2 timber box culverts to be
rebuilt with masonry . .

si. 500

1,000

600

60to 70

70 to so

80 to 00

00 to 100

43,000

42,689

46,647
70,174
50, 1 134

1<l

KK) to 110

For particulars see sheet
attached

1,200

1,400

15,720

UOto 120

41,345

1°

For particulars see sheet
attached

120 to 130

Previously certified for

46,824
34,700

$668,704

payment

S21,420

$647,284
561,470

885,814

)ttawa, 5th October, 1887.

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer Government Railways.
Per F. G. L.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Memo, of ivork required to complete Sections from 100 to 130 miles.
Section 100th to 110th mile.

Replacing 2 small timber structures with masonry § 200
Steel girder, 30 feet span 1,000

§1,200

Section 110th to 120th mile.

Replacing 3 small timber structures with masonry $ 400
Station buildings 1,000

SI, 400

Section 120th to 130th mile.

Fencing 1,920 rods at $1.00 §1,920

Raising bank between 125-126th mile — 17,000 c.

yds. earth, 25c §4,250

Strengthening culverts, say 750

5,000

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Filling in at culverts and widening banks, 10,000

c. yds., 25c $2,500

90 feet of 30-inch iron pipe with masonry ends... 1,100

Replacing 5 timber culverts with masonry 1,000

44-feet Queen post truss 800

8,000 cub. yd. ballast at 30c 2,400

Station buildings : 1,000

$15,72(

$18,32(

COLLINGWOOD SCHRIEBER,

Chief Engineer Government Railways.
Per F. J. L.
Ottawa, 5th October, 1887.

Exhibit " LJ " 50, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C

Certified copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the lit
October, 1887.

On a memorandum dated 6th October, 1887, from the Minister of Railway
and Canals, stating that under date the 5th instant a report has been receive(
from the Chief Engineer of Railways, showing the results of a further inspe
tion of the subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway up to th
130th mile (the point to which plans and profiles have been submitted an
approved) with recommendation that a further payment of $85,814 be mad
on account of the subsidy earned.

The Minister states that the proportion of the total
subsidy applicable to this line up to the 130th
mile is $668,704

That there remains work to be done thereon to

the value of. 21,420

$647,284
That there has already been paid thereon 561,470

Leaving now payable $85,814

The Minister therefore recommends that authority be given for paymen
to the company of the sum of $85,814 (eighty-five thousand eight hundre
;iii(l fourteen dollars).

The Committee advise that the requisite authority be granted as reco:
mended.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

338

Edgar versus Caron.

I Exhibit " LJ " 51, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.
GUST AVE HAM EL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa,

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Subsidy payment of $85,814 is arrived at as follows, viz : —

Subsidy applicable junction St. Raymond $ 96,000

1st mile to 130th mile 551,284

$617,284

Deductions.

50th to 60th mile, six timber box culverts to

be rebuilt with masonry or beam cul $1,500

60th to 70th mile, four timber box culverts to

be rebuilt with masonry or beam cul 1,000

70th to 80th mile, two timber box culverts to

be rebuilt with masonry or beam cul 600

100th to 110th mile, two timber box culverts to

be rebuilt with masonry or beam cul 1,200

110th to 120th mile, three timber box culverts

to be rebuilt with masonry 1,400

120th to 130th mile, station building

15,720 21,420

$625,864
Previously certified 540,050

$85,814
10th November, 1887.

Exhibit " LJ " 52, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C

Militia and Defence, Canada,

Minister's Office, Ottawa, 14th November, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

My Dear Mr. Bradley, — I am directed by Sir Adolphe Caron to inclose
you herewith a letter dated the 12th instant, from Mr. J. G. Scott, Secretary
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, with regard to the Chicoutimi
transfer ; and to request that you will bring it to the notice of the Minister
of Railways and Canals.

Believe me yours truly,

A. BENOIT,

Private Secretory.

339
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

(Private.)

Hon. J. G. Ross, President.

E. Beaudet, Vice President.

J. G. Scott, Secretary and General Manager.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

(Operated by the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and

Grading Company.)

Quebec, 12th November, 1887.
Hon. Sir A. P. Caron, Ottawa.

Dear Sir, — I have your telegram of 10th, saying that you cannot see
what Mr. Pope can do as to the Chicoutimi transfer, as we have Minister of
Justice's legal opinion, and it is for us to act through local legislature, as you
understand it.

The opinion in question does not ask us to act through the local legisla-
ture ; it only says that it has not been shown that the transfer has been or
will be confirmed by the provincial legislature, and goes on to recommend that
the Railway Department should deal with the Saguenay company and that we
should take a sub-contract from them.

The opinion was probably given without knowing that we have a charter
(Quebec and James Bay) to build to Chicoutimi. If the Minister of Justice
had known that, I suppose he would have seen no objection to the transfer.

These points, and the objections to a sub-contract are fully explained in
my letter to Mr. Bradley of the 7th, which you handed to him. If you would
kindly discuss that letter with Mr. Pope, Mr. Stuart thinks that Mr. Pope
would see at once that, all the parties being agreed, there should be no hesita-
tion on the part of the Government in agreeing to the transfer, and that if it
were thought necessary to refer the matter again to the Department of Jus-
tice, they would, with the additional information now given, see no further
objection to it.

Please try to have the matter closed for us in this way, as the Chicoutimij:
people are getting impatient.

And oblige yours truly,

J. G. SCOTT.

Exhibit "LJ" 53, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Telegram to A. P. Bradley, Secy. Ry. Dept.

No. 129.

Quebec, 29th Nov.

Please answer my letter of 7th inst., about transfer of Chicoutimi subsidy,

J. G. SCOTT.

Answer 29,720.

340

Edgar versus Caron.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 18th Nov., 1887.
P. Bradley, Esq.,
Secretary, Railway Department, Ottawa.

Sir, — I beg to enclose herewith a copy of a notarial transfer in favour of
[essrs. Ross & Co., of Quebec, of the subsidies payable by the Dominion upon
1TW miles of this railway, terminating at Pointe aux Trembles Junction,
imounting to the sum of $57,958.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 54, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE IIAMEL,

Clerk, RC.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 28th December, 1887.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Dept. Railways and Canals.

Sir, — The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company on the 7th Nov-
ember, ult., (under cover, No. 45-162) submitted a plan and profile in tripli-
cate of an amended location of the section between the 110th and 120th miles,
for the approval of the Governor- General in Council. Mr. Ridout and I have
examined these documents and we find the proposed change of location occurs
between the 112th and 114Jth miles. The change, we consider a desirable
one, as it brings the line on more solid and safer ground, the alignment and
gradients being equally as favourable as on the location approved by Order in
Council, 16th May, 1887; I therefore suggest its approval.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Exhibit " LJ" 55, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,
H. J. Beemer, Clerk, R. C.

Contractor^

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,

Department of Construction.

No. 93 St. Peter Street.

(Private) Quebec, 7th January, 1888.

Hon. J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways, Ottawa.

Dear Mr. Pope, — The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway (which I am
building) applied a few days ago to your department, to inspect a ten-mile

341

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

section of their road, and Mr. Bradley replied that the department did not
care to make inspections after the snow got too deep to allow the engineer to
judge of the work.

I was not aware of this rule or I would have hurried the completion of
the section earlier.

As it is the last section we will have until next summer, and as I am
depending on this subsidy for my financial arrangements and will be much
put about if I don't get it, I would take it as a personal favour if you would
allow the inspection to be made for this time. I may say that there is not so
much snow at Lake St. John as near the St. Lawrence.

Yours very truly,

H. J. BEEMER,

Exhibit " L J" 56, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,
Clerk, E. C.

Militia and Defence, Canada, Minister's Office,

Ottawa, 16th January, 1888.
Hon. J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways and Canals.

My dear Mr Pope, — Will you kindly read the enclosed and let me know
what I can answer ?

Believe me yours truly,

ADOLPHE CAROK

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 10th January, 1888.
Hon. Sir A. P. Caron,
Oitawa,

Dear Sir, — Would you kindly ask the Railway Department to give us a
definite answer as to whether they will accept the transfer of the $96,000 of
subsidy made to our company in September last, by the Saguenay and Lake
St. John Railway Company.

We intend to get an amendment to our charter at the coming session o:
the provincial legislature, which will authorize our company to build the
branch to Chicoutimi, and which will also legalize the transfer made to us by
the Saguenay Company.

I It he Railway Department do not wish to accept the transfer of the subsidy
in the present position of affairs, we will be satisfied if they will give us a
letter promising to accept the transfer as soon as we have obtained the legi
lation I mention.

Will you kindly try to have this arranged for us, without delay, so th
we may go on and get out the ties and timber for the Chicoutimi line?

Yours truly,

J. G. SCOTT.

34 a

Edgar versus Caron.

Ottawa, 12th December, 1887.
The Right Reverend

The Lord Bishop of Siierbrooke.

My Lord, — The Minister of this department directs me to acknowledge
the receipt of a letter addressed by you to the Honourable the Secretary of
State and forwarded by him to this office, on the 11th instant, its object being
to urge the acceptance by the Federal Government of a transfer on the part
of the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company to the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company of the subsidy granted them last session by
Parliament, for 30 miles of their railway between Lake St. John and
Chicoutimi.

In reply I am to say that the subsidy in question was granted by Parlia-
ment direct to the company named ; and that until legislative action has been
taken in the matter, the Minister does not see what can be done to meet your
views. It is understood that the contractors are contemplating the application
for legislation next session which will enable them to proceed with the work.

I have the honour to be, my Lord,
Your Lordship's obedient servant,

A. P. BRADLEY, Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ " 57, for the Cown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 23rd March, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — On the 2nd February, ultimo, I reported that Mr. Ridout, during
his recent inspection of the 13th and 14th sections of the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway, was unable on account of the works being covered with
snow, to state from personal observation that the work in its entirety had
been carried out according to contract, but that the track was laid throughout
and in good running condition.

Whilst, therefore, I am unable to report the company entitled to the
subsidy applicable to these two sections under the terms of the contract, I
have sufficient information before me to satisfy me that there is work done
representing the following proportion of subsidy on each of these two sections,
viz: —

From the junction to 130 miles north of St.
Raymond. Total subsidy applicable

thereto $ 668,704

Deduct value of work remaining to be done

or which could not be viewed $ 13,700

1 655,004

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Section No. 14, from 130th to 140th mile.

Total subsidy applicable thereto. 50,045

Deduct value of work remaining to be done

or which could not be viewed 15,045

35,000

Total Balance $ 690,004

Previously reported 647,284

Balance $ 42,720

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Exhibit " LJ" 58, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 30^
March, 1888.

On a Memorandum dated 28th March, 1888, from the Minister of Railway
and Canals, representing that under date the 23rd March, instant, the chief
engineer of Government railways has reported on the results of a further
inspection made of the 13th and 14th sections of the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway, namely, up to the 140th mile north from St. Raymond, to
which point the location has been approved, and that from this report it appears
that in consequence of the snow the examination of the works in their entirety
could not be carried out, the track is laid and in good- running condition foi
the whole distance, and the chief engineer is satisfied that work has been done
to the value represented by the following statement : —

From the junction to the 130th mile
north of St. Raymond, total subsi-
dy applicable.. $668,704

Deduct value of work remaining to be

done which could not be viewed... 13,700

$655,004

Section No. 14 from the 130th to the

140th mile, total subsidy applicable $50,045

Deduct value of work remaining to be

done or which could not be viewed. 15,045

35,000

Total valuo of work done and viewed $690,004

That of this amount there has already

been paid to the company .. 647,284

Leaving the balance payable." 42,720

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Edg-ar versus Caron.

•—

The Minister recommends that (balances still unpaid from the subsidies
ranted in 188*2 and 1883 being yet payable by virtue of an express provision
f the Act 50-51 Vic, chap. 24) authority be oiven for paying to the company
he said balance of $42,720.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN" J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 59, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Telegram.)

A. P. Bradley,

Quebec, Que., 21st February, 1889.

Has any decision been come to as to payment of subsidy per my letter of
th, 50,319?

J. G. SCOTT.

Iertified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the. Governor General in Council on the 16th
February, 1889.

On a memorandum dated 12th February, 1889, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that the chief engineer of Government
Railways reported under date 7th February, instant, that a further inspection
,Tas made of the subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,
he portion inspected being that between the village of St. Raymond and the
45th mile north from that point, and that the total amount of the subsidies
ranted to the company covering the distance from Quebec to a point 150

liles north of St. Raymond is $775,095

From this the chief engineer makes deduction

as follows : —
For the 4 miles from Quebec to the point of
junction with the North Shore Railway

(which is not built) $12,800

For work remaining to be done on the section
from St. Raymond to the 145th mile

north of that point ! 36,380

For the section 5 miles from the 145th to the
150th mile north of St. Raymond not
inspected 16,000

$65,180

Balance $709,915

That of this balance the books of the
Accountant show that there has already

been paid the sum of $690,004

Leaving balance now payable 19,911

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18931

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment toth
company of the said sum of $19,911.00.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN" J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 60, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 2nd October, 1889.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Under instructions from me, Mr. Ridout, on the 20th and 21st o:
September, ultimo, inspected the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway with
view to payment of subsidy, and he informs me the following is the positioi
of the works: —

Subsidy granted on trunk line.

50 and 51 Vic, chap. 24, Quebec to Junction, 4 miles $ 12,800

48 and 49 Vic, chap. 59, Junction to St. Ray-

mond, 32 miles 96,000

45 Vic, chap. 14, St. Raymond to Lake St. John,

120 miles 384,000

46 Vic, chap 25, short mileage, 25 miles 80,000

50-51 Vic, chap. 24, short mileage, 5 miles 16,000

49 Vic, chap 10, additional, 186 miles 186,295

$775,09

Subsidy Granted Chicoutimi Branch.

51 Vic, chap. 3, Lake St. John towards Chicou-

timi, 30 miles 96,000

52 Vic, chap. 3, end of section subsidized towards

Chicoutimi, 20 miles 64,000

160,00

Total subsidy, 236 miles $935,09

From Quebec to Junction, 4 miles. No work has

been done and no subsidy earned. Ml.

From Junction to St, Raymond, 32 miles; the
road is completed and the full amount of sub-
sidy earned $96,000

From St. Raymond to 150 miles north thereof the
work is far advanced towards completion and
stands thus :

34G

Ed oar versus Caron.

'.-*

St. Raymond to 50th mile, value of work remain-
ing to be done —

Timber box culverts to be replaced by

masonry $3,000

Tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 1,000

50th to 60th mile — 6 timber box culverts to

be replaced by masonry 1,500

9 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 900

5 French drains to be replaced by masonry 500

60th to 70th mile — 4 timber box culverts to

be replaced by masonry 1,000

8 French drains to be replaced by masonry 800
5 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar... 500

70th to 80th mile — 2 timber box culverts

to be replaced by masonry 600

8 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 800

1 French drain to be replaced by masonry 100

80th to 90th mile — 4 French drains to be

replaced by masonry 400

1 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 400

90th to 100th mile— 2 French drains to be

replaced by masonry 200

2 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 2,000

100th to 110th mile — 2 timber box culverts

to be re placed by masonry 200

22 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 2,200

1 1 0th to 120th mile — 3 timber box culverts

to be replaced by masonry 400

<S tamarac beam culverts to be replaced

by cedar 800

'.» French drains to be replaced by masonry 900

1 20th to 130th mile — 4 timber box culverts

to be replaced by masonry 1,000

(J tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 600

U French drains to be replaced by masonry 1,000

$4,000

2,900

2,300

1,500

800

2,200

2,400

2,100

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2,600

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189!

130th to 140th mile— 13 French drains to

be replaced by masonry 1,500

6 tamarac beam culverts to be replaced by

cedar 600

Cedar abutments of bridge to be replaced

by masonry 4,000

6,100

140th to 150th mile — 3 French drains to be

replaced by masonry..". 300

3 timber box culverts to be replaced by

masonry 200

1 timber beam culvert 15 feet high to be

replaced by masonry 1,500 2,000

128,900 "$637,3$

Chicoutimi Branch.

0 to 4*80th mile — Work remaining to be

done : —
4 French drains to be replaced by masonry 400 14,9(

Subsidy representing work done 748,3^

The following are the amounts of the sub-
sidy representing work done junction
to St. Raymond 96,0(

St. Raymond to north end of subsidized
TITamain line 150 miles 637,3£

4yfoth miles of Chicoutimi Branch 14, 9(

Total $748,3*

This sum of $748,355, if payment is made, is subject to a deduction <
amount already paid.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLING WOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Managem

Exhibit "LJ" 61, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 12n
October, 1889.

On a memorandum dated 9th October, 1889, from the Minister of Rai'
ways and Canals, representing that under date the 2nd October, instant, th;
chief engineer of Government railways has reported that an inspection wa
made of the subsidized works of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railwa
Company and the result shows as follows : —

348

Edgar versus Caron.

Aggregate of subsidies granted for the main line

from Quebec to Lake St. John $775,095

Value of work remaining to be done, on
portion from Quebec to junction (no
work done) $12,800

From St. Raymond to 150 miles north of
St. Raymond (details shown in re-
port of chief engineer) 28,900

Total value of work remaining to* be done $41,700

Subsidy value of work executed $733,395

Of this amount the books of the accountant of the
department show that there has already been
paid 709,915

Leaving a balance now payable of. $23,480

The Minister further represents that the said report shows the results of
a inspection of the Chicoutimi Branch of the said railway, the aggregate of
le subsidies granted to which is $160,000, and that of this there has ,been
arned the sum of $14,960 ($400 being deducted to complete works). ^No por-
on of this subsidy has been paid.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to the
ompany of the said sum of $23,480 and $14,960, making a total of $38,440.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ" 62 for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL, Clerk, R. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

ANNUAL REPORT.

The annual general meeting of the shareholders of the Quebec and Lake
ft. John Railway Company took place at the Commercial Chambers, Quebec,
•n Thursday, 22nd May, 1890.

The annual report of the directors was read to the meeting, and adopted
,8 follows : —

ANNUAL REPORT.

The Directors of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company beg to
eport as follows, with regard to the operations of the past year : —

PROGRESS OF WORKS.

Since the date of the last annual report, no additional mileage has been
milt. The sum of £200,000 sterling was reserved by the terms of the deed
)f trust out of the proceeds of the issue of £780,000 of bonds for the com-
pletion and additional equipment of the road and £87,300 of this sum has
»ince been drawn, through Messrs. Glyn, Mills, Currie & Co., upon certificates

349

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 18fl

of the engineer of the trustees, and expended upon the completion of the ros
bed and the full equipment of the road with rolling stock. With tbS
expenditure, the unfinished portion of the line has been completed andballaste
from Robervalas far south as Lake Bouchette, a distance of 30 miles, addition)
rolling stock to the value of $106,400 has been placed on the road, consisting
two Mogul locomotives, Nos. 12 and 13, three first class, three second clas
two combined cars, six cattle cars, twenty-five box cars, sixty-two platfoi
cars, and two conductors' vans, making the total value of rolling stock no|
on the line $352,000.

Work has also been commenced upon the new short line into the city
Quebec, towards which both federal and provincial governments have late!
granted aid.*

By a careful and judicious expenditure of the large sum of money held
the trustees as a completion fund, it is believed that the whole road, wh<
completed, will be second to none in the province, in point of solidity ai
equipment.

Negotiations are now in progress with the Quebec, Montmorency ail
Charlevoix Railway Company, for the use by that company of the proposJ
bridge over the St. Charles River and the city terminus, in common with

TRAFFIC.

The operating of the railway was taken over by this company from t
contracting company on the first January, 1889, and since that date a &i
train service has been maintained between Quebec and Roberval, in connectij
during the season of navigation with the steamer " Peribonca," running
Lake St. John and the rivers flowing into it. Representations have be|
made to the Federal Government, as to the necessity of placing lighthous
and buoys, and building wharves on the lake, so as to render the navigati«l
safer and more convenient, and appropriations have been made by the goveii
ment for these purposes.

A very efficient parlour and sleeping car service has been maintained o^
the whole line by the Monarch Palace Car Co. of New York.

The traffic accounts for the year ending 31st December, 1889, are nc
submitted to you, the mileage in operation having been 190 miles. Durii
that period the number of passengers carried was 79,725, and the number
tons of freight 103,725, consisting of:

2,953 car loads of cordwood or 26,577 cords.

Htl " u o^^ber, 1 24,280,000 feet B.M.

558 " " of square timber, J ' '

95 " " of pulp and paper, 1,425 tons.
1,444 " " of general merchandise, 21,660 tons.

6,915 cars.

The prospects for the future traffic are very encouraging. New st
mills have been built during the year at St. Raymond and Lake Bouchet
ami others are in course of erection and projection.

The produce of the logs made along the line during the past winter
give about forty million feet of lumber for transportation this year.

The passenger traffic has continued to increase steadily, the number;

tigers carried being 79,725 as against 69,019 the previous year,
pleasure travel lias been much increased by the excellent fishing in all

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and rivers along the line. Many fishing clubs have been formed, and

iblub houses have been built by them, at considerable expense at different

joints. A very commodious hotel has been built by Mr. Beemer at Roberval,

md has attracted so many guests from all parts of the continent, that it is now

proposed to enlarge it at considerable expense. A first-class hotel has also

been built at Lake Edward.

The road has been operated with regularity, and without accident to
passengers.

COLONIZATION.

Last autumn your board invited delegates* from every parish in the
province to visit the Lake St. John district, for the purpose of inspecting the
I country and its productions. A large number of parishes sent delegates for
Sis purpose, and the reports which have since been received from them are
unanimous in declaring that the country offers a most promising field for
Colonization. Good results are expected to flow from this effort. A con-
siderable number of new settlers went into the district last year, and an
increased movement is expected during the coming season, the Provincial
Government having appointed a special Colonization Agent for this teiritory.
'Efforts will also be made to induce some of the foreign immigrants who land at
jQuebec to establish themselves at Lake St. John. Your directors have, this
year, decided to transport all new settlers of the agricultural class, who come
properly recommended, from Quebec to Lake St. John, or intermediate points,
free of charge. Eepresentations have been made to the Government, asking
their assistance to the company in the establishment of three or more experi-
mental farms in the new townships recently laid out along the line between
Beaudet Station and Lake Bouchette.

BRANCHES.

No construction work has been done on the extensions and branches
during the past year. The company's charter provides for a western extension
to Lake Temiscaming, which would make the lumber business of the St.
Maurice and Upper Ottawa tributary to Quebec, and is therefore of immense
importance to the city. Your directors are very anxious to push on the cons-
truction of the eastern extension to Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, but the
expensive nature of the bridging on this line' renders this impossible, until
additional assistance is obtained. Petitions have been made to both. Federal
and Provincial Governments for aid for both lines, and during the past session
the Provincial Legislature voted 100,000 acres of land additional for the
eastern extension.

MAINTENANCE.

The bridges, track, rolling stock, road-bed, stations and all other property
of the railway are being kept in thorough repair, and in good condition. The
Ldition, lately, of a costly wheel press and other machinery to the workshops
facilitates and lessens the cost of repairs to rolling stock.

The whole respectfully submitted.

FRANK ROSS, President
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
Quebec, 22nd May, 1890.

The ballot for the election of directors for the ensuing year was then pro-
ceeded with, and the scrutineers declared the following gentlemen elected,

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viz : — Messrs. Frank Ross, E. Beaudet, Simon Peters, Hon. F. Langelier, M.P
Gavin Moir, Hon. P. Garneau, Jnles Tessier, M.P.P., T. A. Piddington ant
John Theodore Ross, and also Mr. Edwin Hanson, of Montreal, and Hon
Geo. Irvine, as representing the trustees of the English bondholders, Mr
Joseph Fremont, Mayor of Quebec, and the Hon. Judge J. A. Gagne, of Chi
coutimi, as representing, respectively, the city of Quebec and the county o
Chicoutimi. At a subsequent meeting of the board, Mr. Frank Ross wa
elected President, and Messrs. E. Beaudet and Simon Peters, Vice-Presidents

Exhibit "LJ" 63, for the Crown ; riled 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 18th October, 1890.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Railway Department, Ottawa.

Sir, — Will you kindly arrange to let us have a cheque as soon as conve
nient in payment of the subsidies upon the work inspected by Mr. Ridout o
the 1st and 2nd inst., namely, —

On the River St. Charles bridge $30,000

On the 4 miles, Roberval end 12,800

For deduction for culverts, &c 28,900

$71,700

As we have a large force of men now employed, and a heavy expenditure
going on, we are depending upon this money to help to meet our engage
ments.

Your obedient servant,

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 64, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, ft. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 27th October, 1890.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sin, — Mr. Ridout has inspected the bridge over the St. Charles river a|
Quebec, on the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. This is a steel bridge o|
one fixed span of 150 feet and a swing span of two spannings of 80 feet each |

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e structure rests cm masonry piers. Mr. Ridout reports iit well built and Mr.
arcus Smith, who has examined the strain, &c, states it is fully up to the
quirements of the department.

Before any payment can be made on subsidy account, it is necessary that
e company should enter into a contract under the Subsidy Act and that they
ould furnish a complete set of vouchers showing the cost of its construction.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " LJ " 65, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

srtified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Coun-
cil, approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
13th November, 1890.

On a memorandum dated 10th November, 1890, from the Minister of Rail-
iys and Canals, representing that under the Subsidy Act of last session 53
ic, cap. 2, the grant of the following subsidy was authorized : —

' To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company for a railway
idge over the St. Charles River to give access to the city of Quebec, a sub-
ly not to exceed in the whole $30,000 ; also for twelve miles of their railway
3m Lorette via Charlesbourg to Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding $3,200 per
ile, nor exceeding in the whole $38,400, in all $68,400."

The Minister further represents that the company have applied for admis-
>n to contract accordingly, and a suitable specification and draft of contract
/ving been prepared, he recommends that the descriptions, specifications and
nditions of the same be approved and that he be authorized to sign the said
aft on behalf of the Government, the time for the completion of the whole
the works embraced in the said subsidy being fixed as the 1st of
jtober, 1891.

The Minister further recommends the approval for subsidy purposes of
e plans and profiles showing the location of the said twelve miles, and appro-
[l also of the detailed plans of the steel swing bridge over the River St.
'larles, as to which last work he would observe that the site and general plan
*re duly approved by the Railway Committee of the Privy Council on the
: th of June, 1888.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eight
one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignment, gradient and curvature shall be the best the physical
l|itures of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed sixty-
Jie (69) feet to the mile, except for a few hundred feet on landing from the

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St. Charles bridge to the Louise embankment, where ninety-nine (99) feet pe
mile will be allowed ; and the minimum radius of curve shall not be less tha
nineteen hundred and ten (1910) feet or 3° excepting the curve at the head <
the Louise Dock, which may be of a minimum radius of five hundred (50i
feet, or 11° 15".

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of n<|
less than fifty (50) feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logsmus
lie completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings undd.
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than fou
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. The railway must be enclosed with substantially-built legal fences, \
wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to accommodate tl
farmers.

7th. Koad crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provide}
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be not less than twent
(20) feet, embankments not less than fifteen (15) feet, when settled into plac;

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under drain!

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample si;
and strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridgd
must be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twebB
feet in height must be of well built, strong second class masonry, iron, <j
double strength vitrified culvert pipes, made of durable and suitable material
thoroughly permanent in character, and equal in every essential particular ih
the best description of like work employed in similar railway work in tljji
Dominion.

11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet 1
height shall be of strong second class masonry or of cedar wood not less tha
10 inches by 10 inches, except the track stringers which may be of sound pin L
white oak, tamarack or spruce timber, not less than 12 inches by 14 inches. Tlj.
spans shall not exceed 14 feet, and they shall be constructed on a plan approval
by the Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure of truss bridges ma
be of sound white pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if the trusses are covert
in from the weather and shingled, in such case, straight-grained spruce timb<
may be used.

12th. Box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shar
be of strong second class masonry or cedar 10 inches by 10 inches, or doub
strength vitrified clay culvert pipes.

13th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (5<
pounds per lineal yard, of approved pattern and with the most approved tisJ
plate.

14th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or otl
suitable material The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and
feel long — 2,600 to the mile.

15th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the requir,
mentfl of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

16th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to condu
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line, including th
section, is already provided by the company.

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17th. Trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon the written
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. When allowed, the timber
bf which they are to be constructed must also be approved by him.

This Contract and Agreement made the second day of December, in
Lhe year one thousand eight hundred and ninety,

Between Her Majesty the Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion of
panada, and herein represented by the Minister of Railways and Canals, of the
[first part :

And "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, of the second
[Art ;

Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session of
j:he Parliament of Canada, held in the fifty-third year of Her Majesty's reign,
Chaptered two, and intituled, "An Act to authorize the granting of subsidies
Ln aid of the construction of the lines of railway therein mentioned," amongst
pther things in effect enacted : That the Governor in Council may grant :

To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, for a railway bridge
jDver the St. Charles River, to give access to the city of Quebec, a subsidy not to
pxceed in the whole $30,000, also for 12 miles of their railway, from Lorette
I via Charlesbourg to Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding ($3,200) three thousand
itwo hundred dollars per mile, not exceeding in the whole sixty-eight thousand
.four hundred dollars, it being provided therein that the line of railway, unless
it is already commenced, shall be commenced within two years from the first
jday of July, A.D. 1890, and completed within a reasonable time, not to exceed
ifour years, to be fixed by Order in Couucil, and shall be constructed according
| to descriptions and specifications and upon conditions to be approved by the
Governor in Council on the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and
specified in an agreement to be made by the company with the Government,
and which the Government is thereby empowered to make; the location also
of such line of railway shall be subject to the approval of the Governor in
[Council ; the said subsidy shall be payable out of the Consolidated Revenue
Fund of Canada by instalments on the completion, to the satisfaction of the
[Minister of Railways and Canals, of each section of the railway of not less than
ten miles proportionate to the value of the portion so completed, in compar-
ison with that of the whole work undertaken, to be established by the report
of the said Minister, or upon completion of the work subsidized.

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to
,3uch conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements, and
other rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to
jail railways connecting with that so subsidized, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

And whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tion, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked "A," as the descrip-
tions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the said railway.

Now this agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said sub-
sidy to be paid in the manner aforesaid, " The Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company" covenants and agrees to and with her Majesty, Her Heirs
and Successors in manner following, that is to say : —

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

1. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make, buildj
construct and complete a line of railway from Lorette, via Charlesbourg, to1
Quebec, and a railway bridge over the St. Charles Eiver to give access to th
city of Quebec, said railway of a length of twelve miles, the points and approxi
mate route and course being shown on the map filed in the Department o:
Railways and Canals, and all bridges, culverts and works appurtenant thereto
and will build, construct and complete the said line of railway, bridges anc
culverts, and perform all engineering services, whether in the field or in pre
paring plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction of the Gov-
ernor in Council.

2. That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line oj
railway on as straight a course as practicable, between the points above men
tioned, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispensable to avoid'
serious engineering obstacles, and as shall be allowed by the Governor id
Council.

3. That the gradients and alignment shall be the best that the physica
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specifi
cations hereto annexed, marked "A."

4. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills o
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that before th
work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills o
quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any pay
ments are made, the company will furnish such further returns as may b
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative vain
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in thil
agreement within two months, and shall complete the same, to .wit : — on oi
before the first day of October, A. D., eighteen hundred and ninety-one.
time being declared to be material and of the essence ot this contract, and in
default of such completion as aforesaid, on or before the said date or dates, the
company shall forfeit all right, claim or demand to any and every part of tb
subsidy remaining unpaid, as also to any moneys whatever which may be a'
the time of the failure of the completion as aforesaid due and owing to the
company.

6. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said line
of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the
same and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working anci
running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company will build, construct and complete the said line o
railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with th<
specification hereto annexed, marked " A " ; and upon a line of location to be
approved of by the Governor in Council.

8. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such condi-
tions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other right
as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all railways
connecting with the said line of railway so subsidized as the Governor ir
Council may determine.

9. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto:
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and rea
of every character, shall upon completion of the said line of railway and wor
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

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Edgar versus Caron.

In witness whereof, u The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company"
■have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents to be
■signed by the President and by the Secretary of the said company, and the
■Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the

Ijame to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of the Department of

|Railways and Canals.

[Signed by the President and by the Secret
tary of the said company the corporate
seal of the company having been here-
unto affixed, in the presence of

Signed and sealed by the Minister ancT by
the Secretary of the Department of
Railways and Canals, in the presence
of

President.
Secretary.

Minister of Railways and Canals.

Exhibit " LJ " 66, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Ottawa, 13th December, 1890.
IjA. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — As regards subsidy applicable to the main line of the Quebec and
IjLake St. John Railway it stands thus, viz : —

Subsidy applicable $775,095

Less subsidy on 4 miles from Quebec to the
junction with the Canadian Pacific Railway
(North Shore Railway) 12,800

$762,295
Less estimated value of work to complete accord-
ing to contract and modifications thereof
made by Order in Council $8,100

Subsidy represented by work done $754,195

If a payment is to be made the amount of previous payments should be
Ijdeducted.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

N.B. — It is represented that work has been done since date of last inspec-
tion, and I have given instructions for a further inspection at once which may
change the balance of $8,100.— C. S.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893?

Exhibit " LJ " 67, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Councils
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 9ttl
January, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 8th January, 1891, from the Minister"^!
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 13th December, 1890J
the Chief Engineer of Government Railways reported with regard to the
subsidized main line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, showing^
follows :—

Subsidy applicable v... $775,095

Less subsidy on 4 miles from Quebec to the
junction with the Canadian Pacific Railway
(North Shore Railway) 12,800

$762,295
Less estimated value of work to complete accord-
ing to contract and modifications thereof made

by Order in Council 8,100

Subsidy represented by work done 754,195

Of this amount there has already been paid 733,395

Leaving the balance $20,800

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said balance of $20,800.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J, McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 22nd January, 1891.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout, on the 7th instant, inspected the 12 miles of the "loop
Line" of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway between Lorette via Charles-
bourg and Quebec in regard to subsidy. Owing to the ground being covered
with snow, the inspection could not be made with the same degree of satisfac-
tion as in the summer season, as many of the structures and the ballasting are
not visible, but, so far as he was enabled to judge, the road had been well
constructed and was completed with the following exceptions, viz : —

Fencino, 3,800 rods $ 3,800

>iLrnboards for public road crossings 100

Ballasting 19,000 cubic yards 5,700

Completion of Hedleyville station 200

Lorette " 1,000

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Erection of water tank at Lorette 300

Water service at Quebec , 1,000

Estimated value of work remaining to be done... $12,100

Position as regards subsidy.

Subsidy applicable, 53 Victoria, chap. 2, exclusive

of special subsidy for St. Charles Bridge $38,400

Less estimated value of work to complete as shown

in detail above 12,100

Subsidy represented by work done $26,300

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ " 69, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 26th January, 1891.
P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout, on the 9th instant, inspected the main line of the
Juebec and Lake St. John Railway with regard to subsidy, but owing to the
yorks and road-bed being buried in snow he wTas not able to make his
ixamination as complete as could be desired, but he was enabled to see so
auch of the work as to enable him to state that the work was at least
ompleted with the following exceptions, viz.: —

St. Raymond to 50th mile — 24 pine box

culverts to be replaced by cedar $1,900

50th to 60th mile — 4 mixed timber culverts

to be replaced by cedar $500

2 French drains to be replaced by masonry 200

" 700

60th to 70th mile — 3 mixed timber culverts

to be replaced by cedar 300

70th to 80th mile— 1 French drain to be

replaced by masonry 100

80th to 90th mile — 4 French drains to be

replaced by masonry 400

110th to 120th mile — 3 tamarac culverts«to ■

be replaced by cedar drains $300

2 French drains to be replaced by masonry 300
7 French drains to be replaced by cedar. . . 600

1,200

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 18!

120th to 130th mile — 4tamarac culverts to

be replaced by cedar 500

140th to 150th mile — 1 French drain to be

replaced by cedar $100

1 timber beam to be replaced by masonry. 1,500

1,600

Estimated value of work remaining to be

done $6,700

Subsidy applicable to main line 775,095

Estimated value of work remaining to be

done — 4 miles, Quebec to junction 12,800

Work as above in details 6,700

19,500

Subsidy represented by work done $755,595

■■v

If payment is to be made the amount of previous payments should t
deducted.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLISTGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Momage:

Exhibit "LJ" 70, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council, approved by Hi
Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2nd of February, 189

On a memorandum dated 29th January, 1891, from the Minister of Rail
ways and Canals, representing that under date 26th January, instant, the chi(
engineer of Government railways reported on the result of an inspection
the main line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

The Minister states that from this report it appears that owing to tfy
works and the road-bed being buried in snow the examination was not as coi
plete as could be desired, but he is enabled to say that the work is complet<
with certain exceptions.

That the subsidy applicable to the main line is.... $775,095

Less 4 miles, Quebec to Junction $12,800

Work remaining to be done 6,700

19,500

1755,595
That payments have already been made thereon

amounting to 754,195

Leaving now payable $ 1,400

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The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
lid sum of $1,400.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE.

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ '? 71, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,

approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2nd

February, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 29th January, 1891, from the Minister of Rail-
ways and Canals, representing that under date the 22nd January, instant, the
chief engineer of Government railways reported on the results of an inspection
made of the twelve miles of " loop line " between Quebec and Lorette via
Charlesbourg, for which work the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany were subsidized by the Act 53 Via, cap. 2 (1890) to the extent of $38,400,
and that from this report the section of railway in question appears to have
been satisfactorily completed with the exception of work to the estimated value
of $12,100, leaving the balance of subsidy represented by work done $26,300.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to the
company of the said sum of $26,300.

The committee advise that authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, PC.

Exhibit " LJ '* 72, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE SAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Certified copy of a BepoH of the Committee of the Honourable the Privy Coun-
cil, approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
11th of February, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 13th February, 1891, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 10th February instant,
the chief engineer of Government railways reported on the results of an
inspection made of the bridge of the Lake St. John Railway, over the River
St. Charles at Quebec, subsidized by the Act 53 Vic, cap. 2, to the extent of
15 per cent, of the cost, the subsidy not to exceed $30,000, and that this report
shows the bridge to be completed, and to be a good structure, the value to be
placed at $101,000 ; 15 per cent, of which, he states, has been earned, which
is $15,150. The Minister recommends that authority be given for the pay-
ment to that company of the said subsidy $15,150.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " LJ" 73, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. a

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 19th February, 1891.
A. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. J. G. Scott, under com. No. 59357, asks the particulars of the
payment of $26,300 on the 12-mile loop line of the Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway between Lorette via Charlesbourg and Quebec. Here it is : —
Subsidy applicable $38,400

Less work remaining to be done 3,800 rods

fencing 3,800

Signboards of public road crossings 100

19,000 G yds. ballasting 5,700

Completion of Hedley ville Station 200

Completion of Lorette Station 1,000.

Erection of water tank at Lorette 300

Providing water service at Quebec 1,000 12,100

Balance $26,300

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLHSTGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 74, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified copy of a Report of the Committee of the Honourable the Privy
Council, approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on
the 20th March, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 12th March, 1891, from the Minister of Rail-
ways and Canals, recommending, on an application made by the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company, favourably entertained by the Chiei
Engineer of Government Railways, that the specification attached to the con
tract made with that company on the 5th of December, 18H8, for the construc-
tion under subsidy of a line of railway from Lake St. John, 30 miles towards
Chicoutimi, be modified, the sections numbering 10, 11 and 16 of sucn
specification being cancelled and the following being substituted therefor : —

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended, piers and abutments of truss bridges must
be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over 12 feet in height
must be of well built, strong second class masonry, iron or double strength
vitrified culvert pipes made of durable and suitable materials, thoroughly per-

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ent in character and equal in every essential particular to the best
cription of like work employed in similar railway work in the Dominion.
11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than 12 feet in height
11 be of strong second class masonry or of cedar wood not less than 10 inches
10 inches, except the track stringers which may be of sound pine, white
tamarac or spruce timber, not less than 12 inches by 14 inches. The
ns shall not exceed 14 feet, and they shall be constructed on a plan
approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure of truss
bridges may be of white sound pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if the
trusses are covered in from the weather and shingled, in such case straight-
grained spruce timber may be used.

12th. Box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shall
be of strong second class masonry or cedar 10 by 10 inches, or double strength
vitrified clay culvert pipes.

16th. Trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon written
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. When allowed, the timber
of which they are to be constructed must also be approved by him.

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency's
approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 75, for the Crown : filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Coun-
cil, approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
8th April, 1891.

On a Memorandum dated 6th April, 1891, from the Minister of Railways
and Canals representing that under date the 26th of January, 1891, the chief
engineer of Government railways reported on the result of an inspection made
of the subsidized line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company,
showing that the total subsidy applicable amounted to $775,095.

From this he deducted for work

remaining to be done $6,700

And for the section of the road com-
prised in the 4 miles between Que-
bec and the junction 12,800

Making the total deduction $19,500

And leaving the balance 755,595

Under an Order in Council dated the
2nd of February, 1891, the sum of
$14,000 was paid making the total

payments $755,595

The Minister states that from a note made by the chief engineer under date
the 1st April, inst., it appears that the company has urged that they be paid
the sum of $6,700 deducted in order that certain works specified in his report
might be re-constructed of material and in the manner called for by the con-

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tract (as modified by an Order in Council passed on the 28th of November.
1890) the said items being as follows : —

St. Raymond to 50th mile — 24 pine box culverts to

be replaced by cedar $1,900

50th to 60th mile — 4 mixed timber culverts to be

replaced by cedar 500

2 French drains to be replaced by masonry 200

60th to 70th mile — 3 mixed timber culverts to be

replaced by cedar 300

70th to 80th- mile — French drain to be replaced

by masonry 100

80th to 90th mile — 4 French drains to be

replaced by masonry 400

110th to 120th mile — 3 tamarac culverts to be

replaced by cedar 300

2 French drains to be replaced by masonry....... 300

7 French drains to be replaced by cedar 600

120th to 130th mile — 4 tamarac culverts to be

replaced by cedar 500

140th to 150th mile — 1 French drain to be replaced

by cedar 100

1 timber beam to be replaced by masonry 1,500

Estimated value of work remaining to be done 6,700

The Minister recommends that the contract dated the 4th September,
1883, and the said modifying Order in Council of the 28th of November, 1890,
be further modified so as to admit of payment being made for the said item
of work as constructed and that authority be given for the payment of th<
sum of $6,700 accordingly.

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency^
approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ" 76, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer of Government Railways,

Ottawa, 13th April, 1891.
A. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — The following is the position of the subsidy to the main line of th
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway —

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Subsidy applicable $775,095

Less for work not executed, section of road com-
prised in 4 miles between Quebec and the
Junction 12,800

Subsidy represented by work done $762,295

With the above exception, the work covered by the contract for the main
line has been completed according to contract and modifications thereof.

If payment is made, the amount of previous payments should be
deducted.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " LJ " 77, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892,

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 18th
April, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 15th April, 1891, from the Min-
ister of Railways and Canals, representing that, under
date the 13th April, inst., the Chief Engineer of Gov-
ernment Railways reported as to the position of the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company with
respect to the subsidy for their main line, showing

the amount of subsidy applicable to be $775,095

Less for work not executed, the section of the road com-
prised in the 4 miles between Quebec and the Junction 12,800

Subsidy represented^ by work done 762,295

That of this there has already been authorized to be paid. . . 755,595

Leaving balance now payable 6,700

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said sum of $6,700.

The Committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOILN" J. McGEE,
Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ " 78, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.
Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 4th May, 1891.
A. P. Bradley,

Secretary Department of Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.
Sir, — A subsidy was granted by the 53rd Vic, cap. 2, for a railway
bridge over the St. Charles River to give access to the city of Quebec, not to

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exceed in the whole $30,000, upon which shall be paid lb% of the value ol
work done, on monthly progress estimates certified by the chief engineer ana
upon the approval of the Minister of Railways and Canals. A question arosi
in my mind as to the intention of the Act above referred to, viz. : whetheil
the term " bridge " meant the way or bridge from bank to bank of the rive*
or what might technically be called the bridge, viz. : the trusses and masonril
on which they rest. The matter has been settled by an Order in Council
dated 21st April, 1891, and upon learning this the estimate is prepared.

I made the balance of the work as bridge from

bank to bank by the river amount to $165,000

lo% on above $165,000... 24,750

which, run according to the terms of the Order in Council above referred to, has
been earned by the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company. If i
payment is to be made, the amount of previous payments should be deducted
I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " LJ " 79, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 18th
May, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 14th May, 1891, from the Minister of Railway
and Canals, representing that under date the 4th May, inst., the chie
engineer of Government railways reported on the position of the Quebec anc
Lake St. John Railway Company in respect of the subsidy granted by 5t
Vic, cap. 2, to the limit of $30,000 for a railway bridge over the River St
Charles at Quebec shows that acting upon the definition of the term "bridge,'
became by the structures from bank to bank of the river as adopted by tb
Order in Council of the 21st April, 1891.

. The company have executed work to the value of $165,000

Of which 15# the authorized amount is 24,750

That of this amount payments have already been

authorized to the extent of 15,150

Leaving the balance the company are now entitled

to receive 9,600

•

Tim Minister recommends that payment be authorized accordingly.
The committee ad vise. that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

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Exhibit "LJ" 80, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. I-IAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 27th November, 1891.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridont on the 11th instant inspected the section of the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway from Charlesbourg, via Lorette to Quebec, a
distance of 12 miles, in regard to subsidy, and he found the road completed
according to contract with the following exception : —

The 40,000 gallon water tank at Quebec now in course of construction is
not yet completed, in the meantime the engines are being watered at the C.
P. R. Co's. station.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ " 81, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 23rd
March, 1883.

On a memorandum dated 17th March, 1883, from the Minister of Rail-
ways and Canals submitting that by an Act 45 Vic, chap. 14, passed last
session, authority was given for the grant of subsidies towards the construction
of certain lines of railway to such companies as might be approved by the
Governor in Council as having satisfactorily established their ability to com-
plete the said railways respectively within a reasonable time, and that amongst
the proposed subsidies was the following : —

For a railway from St. Raymond to Lake St. John, both in the province
of Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding $3,200 a mile, nor exceeding in the whole
$384,000.

The Minister represents that by a letter dated the 14th instant, the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company have submitted an application
for the grant of the aforesaid subsidy, forwarding with such application a copy
of a bill amending and consolidating various previous Acts relating to their
incorporation, privileges and powers, which bill is now before the Legislature
of the province of Quebec, and has, they state, passed its third reading in both
Houses and has been adopted, and that by the second clause of the said bill it
is declared that the Act shall be held and taken to be a special Act incorporat-
ing the said company.

The minister further represents that the company have already constructed
a line of railway between Quebec and St. Raymond, a distance of about 35
miles, and by the 3rd clause of the present bill provision is made for power to

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construct a line from some point on their existing line or from the city of
Quebec to Lake St. John, the road to be completed as far as the southern ex-
tremity of the Island of Lake Edward by the 31st day of December, 1885,
and as far as Lake St. John by the 31st of December, 1887.

The Minister being satisfied as to the ability of the company, recommends av
that he be authorized in the event of the aforesaid bill becoming law, to enter
into contract with the company for the purpose contemplated by the subsidiz-
ing Act above cited and in conformity with its provisions.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted accordingly,
it being understood that the debt due to the Customs Department by the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway be repaid out of the said subsidy.

JOHN J. McGEE.

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 82, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 28th
November, 1890.

On a memorandum dated 24th November, 1890, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under authority of an Order in Council,
dated the 18th August, 1883, a contract was made with the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Company on the 4th September following, for the cons-
truction under subsidy of a line of railway from St. Raymond to Lake St. John.

The Minister further represents that in the specification attached to the
said contract was the following clause relating to the structure on the proposed
railway : —

" 10th. All bridge culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended. Piers and abutments of large bridges
and culverts must be of massive stone masonry or iron made of durable and
suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character and in every essential
particular equal to the best description of like work employed in similar rail-
way work in the Dominion."

That the stipulations of this clause were of a somewhat stringent character
and in subsequent dealings with companies for works to be executed under
subsidy contracts it was found desirable to modify them.

The Minister states that the company has represented that in their cons-
truction of the aforesaid clause they have regarded themselves at liberty to
dispense with masonry for some of the smaller culverts, and on their represen-
tations, the matter being submitted to the Chief Engineer of Government
Railways, that officer has prepared a clause which, if accepted, would place
this company in a position with regard to its structures similar to that of other
subsidized companies, the said clause reading as follows : —

" All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size and
strength for the purpose intended. All piers and abutments of large span
bridges (30 feet and upwards) must be of massive masonry. All abutments
of small span bridges of one span only (under 30 feet) may be of well built,

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:rong second class masonry or of cribs built of cedar wood not less than 10 x
0 filled with stone.

"All culverts under embankments over 12 feet in height may be ot well
uilt, strong second class masonry or iron pipes or double strength vitrified
ay culvert pipes.

" All open or beam culverts in embankments less than 1 2 feet in height
lay be of well built, strong second class masonry, cedar wood not less than
0 x 10 or white pine or tamarack wood not less than 12 x 12, except the
ack stringers which may be of sound white pine, white oak or tamarack,
ot less than 12 x 14. The spans shall not exceed 14 feet and they shall be
mstructed on a plan approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals.

" All box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shall be
well built, strong second class masonry or cedar wood not less than 10 x 10
iron pipes or double strength vitrified culvert pipes.

" All superstructures of truss bridges may be sound white pine or Georgia
itch white wood, or if the trusses are covered in from the weather and
ringled, in such cases, straight-grained spruce timber may be used."

The Minister recommends that this clause be approved in place of that
umbered 10 in the present specification, the contract of the 4th of September,
S83, and Order in Council of the 18th August, 1883, being amended to this
feet.

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency's
pproval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

ertified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Coun-
cil approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the
18th August, 1883.

On a Memorandum dated 13th August, 1883, from the acting Minister
? Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 23rd March, last, an
rder in Council was passed giving authority to the Minister of Railways and
anals, in the event of a certain bill then before the Legislature of the pro-
nce of Quebec becoming law, which bill contemplated the amendment and
msolidation of various Acts respecting the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
ay Company, to enter into agreement writh that company in respect to the
instruction of that portion of their line between St. Raymond and Lake St.
)hn, and the grant of the subsidy therefor sanctioned by the Act of the
ominion Government passed previous session and that with one or two minor
langes, the Bill in question did became law as the Provincial Act 46 Vic.
lap. 88.

The Minister now recommends that approval be given to the descriptions
id specifications annexed with the accompanying draft of an agreement which
is proposed to make with the said company and to the dates for completion
■oposed as follows, namely, for completion to a point near the southern extre-
ity of the Island of Lake Edward by the 31st December, 1885, and for
mpletion to Lake St. John by the 25th May, 1887, being the extreme limit
lowed by the Dominion Act 46 Vic. chap. 25, and furthermore that he be
ithorized on behalf of the Government to enter into agreement with the
►mpany for the execution of the work and the payment of the subsidies seve-
lly approved by the Acts 45 Vic. chap. 14, and 46 Vic. chap. 25, in accord-
ice with the aforesaid accompanying draft.

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The committee concur in the foregoing recommendations and submit the!
same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

SPECIFICATION AND* DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four ieet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignment and gradient and curvature shall be the best the
physical features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade of the trunk
line not to exceed one hundred and six feet to the mile with two exceptions
at about the 12th mile from St. Raymond and near Lake St. John, where
gradients of 118 feet per mile may be used, and the minimum curvature not
to be of less radius than eight feet, with the exception of two short curves of
600 feet radius at about the 86th mile.

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
less than thirty-three feet on each side of centre of line ; all brush and logs
must be completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, on embankments less than two feet in depth.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than fou
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. Through settlements the railway must be enclosed with substantially
built legal fences.

7th. Road-crossings with cattle guards and signboards shall be provided
wherever required.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation shall be twenty feet, embank-
ments fifteen feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided either by open ditches or under-
drains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended. Piers and abutments of large bridges
and culverts must be of massive stone masonry or iron made of durabl
materials, thoroughly permanent in character and in every essential particul
equal to the best description of like work in the Dominion.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weight 56 pounds per lineal yard, of ap-
proved pattern and with the most approved fish or scabbard joint.

12th. The roadway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other!
suitable material.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation shall be provided by the company*
as may be necessary to meet the requirements of the traffic.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock, necessary to accommodate the business oi
the line, shall he provided by the company with stations and terminal accom-j
modations, including engine sheds, turntables, shops, machinery, &c, &c.

Qi BBBC \m> Lakh St. John Raidway,
Quebec, 30th April, 1883.

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
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Articles of Agreement made and entered into this fourth day of Sep-
tember, in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and eighty,

Between " The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway/' of the first part,
and I Ter Majesty Queen Victoria, represented herein by the Acting Minister
of Railways and Canals, of the second part.

Witnesseth, That whereas, it is in and by an Act passed in the session
of the Parliament of Canada held in the forty-fifth year of Her Majesty's
reign, chaptered and intituled : " An Act to provide for the granting of sub-
sidies for the construction of certain lines of railway from St. Raymond to
Lake St. John, both of the province of Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding three
thousand two hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the whole three
hundred and eighty-four thousand dollars," the said subsidy to be granted to
such company as shall be approved by the Governor in Council as having
established to his satisfaction its ability to complete the said railway within a
reasonable time, to be fixed by Order in Council, and according to descriptions
and specifications to be approved by the Governor in Council, such subsidy
to be payable by instalments on the completion of each ten miles of railway
proportionate to the value of the portion so completed in the comparison with
the whole work undertaken, such proportion to be established by the report
of the said Minister of Railways and Canals, provided always, that the grant-
ing of such subsidy shall be subject to such conditions for securing such run-
ning powers or traffic arrangements and other rights as will afford all reason-
able facilities and equal mileage rates to all railways connecting therewith as
the Governor in Council may determine.

And whereas, " The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company " has
been duly approved by the Governor in Council, and has established to his
satisfaction its ability to complete the said railway within a reasonable time to
be fixed by Order in Council,

And whereas, The Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tions and specifications hereto annexed marked " A,"

And whereas, by an Act passed in the session of the Parliament of Canada
held in the forty -sixth year of Her Majesty's reign, and intituled : " An Act
| for authorizing subsidies for the construction of the lines of railway therein

I (mentioned," it is amongst other things in effect enacted, that it shall be lawful
J | for the Governor in Council to grant to the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-

I I way Company for twenty-five miles of their railway, from St. Raymond to
I Lake St. John, in the province of Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding three

thousand two hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the whole eighty
>I (thousand dollars in addition to the subsidy granted by the Act forty-fifth Vic-
li'toria, chapter fourteen (hereinbefore referred to) the said railway to be com-
|;menced within two years from the first of July next, and completed within a
treasonable time, not to exceed four years from and after the passing of this
|t Act, to be fixed by Order in Council and according to the descriptions and
specifications to be approved by the Governor on the report of the Minister of
Railways and Canals and specified in an agreement to be made by the com-
pany with the Government, the said subsidy to be payable out of the Con-
solidated Revenue Fund of Canada, by instalments, on the completion of each
j > section of not less than ten miles of railway proportionate to the value of the
J ] proportion so completed in comparison with the whole work undertaken to be
' i established by the report of the said Minister ; Provided always, that the
IJ granting of such subsidies shall be subject to such conditions for securing such
i running powers or traffic arrangements and other rights as will afford all

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reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all railways connecting with
the line of railways so subsidized as aforesaid, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

Now this Agreement witnesseth that in consideration of the said subsidy
to be paid in the manner aforesaid —

" The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company " covenants anc
agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her heirs and successors, in manner following,
that is to say : —

1st. That the company shall and will truly and faithfully make, build
construct and complete a line of railway from St. Raymond to Lake St. John
the points and approximate route and course being shown on the map here-
unto annexed marked u B," and all bridges, culverts, and works appurtenant
thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said line of railway, bridges,
culverts, works and all the engineering services, whether in the field or in
preparing plans or doing the office work, to the entire satisfaction of the
Governor in Council.

2nd. That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line
of railway on as straight a course as practicable between St. Raymond and
Lake St. John, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispensabli
to avoid serious engineering obstacles and as shall be allowed by the Governo
in Council

3rd. That the gradients and alignments shall be the best that the physica
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specifi
cation hereto annexed, marked " A."

4th. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills o:
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that before
the work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bill
of quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any
payments are made the company will furnish such further returns as may b
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative valu
of the work executed with that remaining to be done.

5th. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in thi
agreement within three months from the date hereof and shall complete th
same, to wit :

From some point on their existing line to a point near the southe
extremity of the Island of Lake Edward by the thirty-first day of December,
A.D. one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five, and thence to a point nea
Luke St. John by the twenty -fifth day of May, A.D. one thousand eight
hundred and eighty-seven, time being declared to be material and of th
'i ce of this contract.

6th. That the company will, upon and after the completion of the sai<
line of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and iaithiully keep an<
maintain the same and the rolling stock required thereto in good sufficien
working and running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate th
same.

7th. Tim! the company will build, construct and complete the said li
of railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance wi
i he specification hereto annexed, marked "A," and upon a line of location t
be approved of by the Governor in Council.

8th. That the granting of* the said subsidy shall be subject to such condi

lions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other rights

i twill afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all railway*!

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connecting with the said line of railway as the Governor in Council may
determine.

9th. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto,
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property personal and real
of every character shall upon completion of the said line of railway and works
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

10th. And it is hereby specially agreed and understood that the debt
due to Her Majesty's Customs Department by " The Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway Company" shall be repaid to Her said Majesty out of the
amount of the subsidy hereinbefore mentioned.

In witness whereof "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company "
have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents to be
signed by the president of the said company, and the acting Minister ot
Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the seal of the
Department of Railways and Canals to be hereto affixed and these presents to
be countersigned by the secretary of the said department.

Signed by the president of the")
said company, the corporate |
seal of the company having |
been hereto affixed in the pre- y
sence of

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary. J

T. LeDROIT,

President.

Signed and sealed by the acting
Minister and by the secretary
of the Department of Railways
and Canals in the presence
of

II. A. FISSIAULT.

J. H. POPE,
Acting Minister of Railways and Canals.
A. P. BRADLEY,

Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 83, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.
A.

Specification and Description.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eight
and one half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradient and curvature shall be the best the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed
one hundred and thirty-two feet to the mile, and the minimum curvature not
to be of less radius than eight hundred and nineteen feet.

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
less than fifty feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and lo<rs must be
completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

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4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings undei
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than foui
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. Through settlements the railway must be enclosed with substantially-!
built legal fences, of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings
accommodate the farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provid<
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be for rock, eighteei
feet, for earth twenty feet, embankments fifteen feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under!
drains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size an<
strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges mus
be of massive masonry except abutments of bridge over Little River, 2nd mil<
north of junction with the North Shore Railway, which may be of pine timber]
crib work filled with stone, and culverts under embankments over twelve fee^
in height must be of well built, strong second class masonry or iron, made o\
durable and suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character, and equaj
in every essential particular to the best description of like work employed ii
similar railway work in the Dominion. Culverts under embankments less1
than twelve feet in height may be pine of wood. Superstructure of truss bridgei|
may be of wood

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty pounds pe;|
lineal yard, of approved pattern, and with the most approved fish-plate.

12th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or othei
suitable material. The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and
feet long — 2,600 to the mile.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's!
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet th(i
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conducl
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be providecj
by the company.

T. LeDROIT,

President
J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.
J. H. POPE, '
Minister Railways and Canal®
A. P. 13RADLEY,

Secretary.

Signed in presence of

H.
M.

A. FISSIAULT,
DESJARDINS.

Agreement made the tenth day of February, in thtj

hnndrofl nnr] mtrht.v-siY

This Contract and
year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six.

Between Her Majesty The Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion o
Canada, and herein represented by thn Honourable John Henry Pope, Ministe:
of Railways and Canals, of the first part :

A.NDth& Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, of the second part

VVitnessetii that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the Session o
the Parliament of Canada held in the forty-eighth and forty-ninth year of He:

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ajesty's reign, chaptered fifty-nine, and intituled, " An Act to authorize the
anting of the subsidies therein mentioned in aid of the construction of cer-
in Railways," amongst other things, in effect enacted : That the Governor
Council may grant :

To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, for a line of railway
m its junction with the North Shore Railway, to St. Raymond, on the condi-
tion of the company extending their road to a point 50 miles north of St.
Raymond, a subsidy not exceeding three thousand two hundred dollars per
mile, nor exceeding in the whole ninety -six thousand dollars, the said railway
to be commenced within two years from the first day of August, A. D. 1885,
and completed within a reasonable time, not to exceed four years, to be fixed
by Order in Council, and to be constructed according to descriptions and spe-
cifications and upon conditions to be approved by the Governor in Council, on
the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in an agree-
ment to be made by the Company with the Government ; the location of such
line of railway to be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council ; the
said subsidy to be payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada
by instalments, on the completion of each section of the railway of not less
than ten miles, proportionate to the value of the portion so completed, in
comparison with that of the whole work undertaken, to be established by
the report of the said Minister.

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to such
conditions, for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements, and other
rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all rail-
ways connecting the line of railway so subsidized, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

And whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tions, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked "A," as the
descriptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the railway
from the junction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway on the North
Shore Railway to St. Raymond, and of the location thereof.

Now this Agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said sub-
sidy to be paid in the manner aforesaid, "The Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company" covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her Heirs
and successors in manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the Company have already built a line of railway from the junc-
tion of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway on the North Shore Railway to
St. Raymond, the points and route and course being shown on the map filed
in the Department of Railways and Canals marked " B " ; and all bridges,
culverts and works appurtenant thereto, and have completed the said line
of railway, bridges, culverts, and performed all engineering services, whether
in field, or in preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfac-
tion of the Governor in Council.

2. That the Company have satisfied the said Minister as to their compli-
ance with the condition mentioned in the Act above mentioned of extending
their road to a point 50 miles north of St. Raymond.

3. That the gradients and alignment are the best that the physical
features of the country admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specifications

j hereto annexed, marked " A."

4. That the Company have furnished profiles and plans of the whole line
j of railway herein subsidized, such profiles and plans have been approved by the
I Governor in Council, and before any payments are made, the companv will

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,'j

furnish such further returns as may be required to satisfy the Minister o
Railways and Canals as to the relative value of the works executed with tha
remaining to be done.

6. That the company will truly and faithfully keep the said line of rail
way and the rolling stock required therefor in good and sufficient working
and running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company have completed the said line of railway and works
appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the specification heretc
annexed, marked "A" ; and upon a line of location approved of by tht
Governor in Council.

8. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such con
ditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and othei
rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to a!
railways connecting with the said line of railway, as the Governor in Counci
may determine.

9. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and real
of every character, shall be the property of the company.

In Witness Whereof, "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railwaj
Company" have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto, and thest
presents to be signed by the president and by the secretary of the said com
pany, and the Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand an<
caused the same to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of th
Department of Railways and Canals.

Signed by the President and by the
Secretary of the said Company,
the corporate seal of the Company
having been hereto affixed, in the
presence of

J AS LARMOK.
ALEX HARDY.

Signed and sealed by the Minister
and by the Secretary of the De-
partment of Railways and Canals,
in the presence of

H. A. FISSIAULT.

M. DES.TARDINS.

LeDROIT,

President.

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

J. H. POPE,

Minister of Fxdlways & Canals

A. P. BRADLEY,

Secretai

Exhibit "LJ" 84, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R, C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 26/
July, 1892.

On a memorandum dated 23rd July, 1892, from the Minister of Railway
and Canals, representing that by the Act 52 Vic, eh. 3 (1889) authority w
given for tin- -rant of the following subsidy :—

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To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company for 20 miles of their
railway from the end of the section or 30 miles from Lake St. John towards
Chicoutimi in the province of Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding $3,200 per
mile, nor exceeding in the whole $64,000.

The Minister further represents that the company having applied for
admission to contract, a draft of such contract, containing specifications, con-
ditions and descriptions suitable to the case has been prepared by the depart-
ment and is hereto attached.

That the said draft contract has been made to embrace also the works for
the first 30 miles from Chambord Junction as to which a contract was entered
into * on the 5th December, 1888, the specification attached thereto being
thereby modified, and also to the 4 miles towards Roberval, as to which two
sections the Subsidy Acts of last session made special provision.

The Minister recommends that the same be approved and that he be
authorized to sign the said draft on behalf of the Government, the date for
completion being fixed as the 1st of August, 1893.

"OlT.llThe Minister further represents that plans and profiles have been sent by
the company for approval on the 4th March, 1892, as to which the chief
engineer of Government railways has reported favourably under date the 22nd
July, 1892, with respect to the portion between the 30th and the 50th mile
provided the grade shown by a red line be followed.

The Minister therefore recommends that the location of the said portion
be approved subject to the condition named.

The Committee submit the above for your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable, the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 18th
April, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 15th April, 1891, from the Minister of Railways
and Canals, representing that application has been made by the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company for an extension of time for the completion
of the 30 miles of their Chicoutimi Branch, subsidized under the Act 51 Vic,
cap 3 (1888), the contract for which work, dated the 5th of December, 1888,
and authorized by an Order in Council of the 17th of November previous,
calling for completion by the 1st of August, 1890. The company represent
that the costly and difficult character ot the work, especially of the bridging,
has rendered it impossible to execute it within the given period.

The Minister recommends (the chief engineer of Government railways
having reported favourably on this application) that the date for completion be
extended to the 1st of August, 1892, the limit allowed by the Act, the con-
tract and also the Order in Council of the 17th of November, 1888, being
named to this effect.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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Certified Copy of a Report of the Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2§tti\
March, 1891.

On a memorandum elated the 12th March, 1891, from the Minister of]
Railways and Canals, recommending, on an application made b}^ the Quebec!
and Lake St. John Railway Company, favourably entertained by the chier
engineer of Government railways, that the specification attached to the
contract made with that company on the 5th of December, 1888, for the conJ
struction under subsidy of a line of railway from Lake St. John, 30 milesj
towards Chicoutimi, be modified, the sections number 10, 11 and 16 of such]
specifications being cancelled and the following being substituted therefor : —

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size ancU
strength for the purpose intended, piers and abutments of truss bridges musti
be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve feet id
height must be of well built, strong second class masonry, iron or double]
strength vitrified culvert pipes, made of durable and suitable materials.]
thoroughly permanent in character, and equal in every essential particular tc
the best description of like work employed in similar railway work in the
Dominion.

11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet in
height shall be of strong second-class masonry or of cedar wood not less than
ten inches by ten inches, except the track stringers, which may be of strong
pine, white oak, tamarac or spruce timber, not less than 12 inches by 14
inches.

The span shall not exceed 14 feet, and they shall be constructed on
plan approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure o
truss bridges may be of white sound pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if th
trusses are covered in from the weather and shingled, in such case straigh
grained spruce timber ma}7 be used.

12th. Box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shal
be of strong second-class masonry or cedar, 10 by 10 inches, or double strengt
vitrified clay culvert pipe.

16th. Trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon the writte
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. When allowed, the timbe
ot which they are to be constructed must also be approved by him.

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency'
approval.

JOHN" J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet ei^
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradients and curvatures shall be the best the physic
features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exec-
eighty (80) feet to the mile, and the minimum curvature not to be of h
radius than nine hundred and fifty-five (955) feet (or 6°) except at Chamborj
.1 unction, where a curve of eight hundred and eighteen (818) feet (or 7C) wij
I"' allowed.

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3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
s than fifty (50) feet on each side of the centreline ; all brush and logs must
completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
ree feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
t and more than two feet in height.

6th. The railway must be enclosed with substantially-built legal fences,
wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to accommodate the
rmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall not be less than
enty (20) feet, embankments not less than fifteen (15) feet, when settled
to place.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under-drains.
10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
d strength for the purpose intended; piers and abutments of truss bridges
ust be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve
feet in height must be of well built, strong second class masonry, or iron,
made of durable and suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character,
and equal in every essential particular to the best description of like work
employed in similar railway work in the Dominion.

11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet in
height shall be of strong second class masonry or of cedar wood not less than
10 inches by 10 inches, except the track stringers which maybe of sound pine,
white oak, tamaraok or spruce timber, not less than 12 inches by 14 inches.
The span shall not exceed 14 feet, and they shall be constructed on a plan
approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure of truss
bridges may be of sound white pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if the
trusses are covered in from the weather and shingled, in such case straight-
grained spruce timber may be used.

12th. Box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shall
be of strong second class masonry or cedar 10 by 10 inches.

13th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (b6)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved pattern and with the most approved fish-
plate.

14th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and 8 feet
long— 2,600 to the mile.

15th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's,
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

16th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company, of which the Minister of Railways and Canals shall be the
judge.

17th. Trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon the written
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. When allowed, the timber
of which they are to be constructed must also be approved by him.

18th. In cases in which the Minister of Railways and Canals gives his
written authority for the erection of a trestle bridge, it shall be built of srood

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sound white or Georgia pitch pine, well framed and strongly put togethei
with screw bolts and nuts upon a plan approved by him.

J. II. POPE,

Minister of Railways and Canals.

A. P. Bradley,

Secretary.

SIMON PETERS,

President.

J. G. Scott,

Secretary.

Witness to signatures of Minister and Secretary < ^' p/

E. A. Hoare,

Engineer.

This Contract and Agreement made the fifth day of December, in th*
year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight,

Between Her Majesty The Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion
Canada, and herein represented by the Honourable John Henry Pope, Ministei
of Railways and Canals, of the first part, and the Quebec and Lake St. Jolir
Railway Company, of the second part ;

Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session oi
the Parliament of Canada held in the fifty-first year of Her Majesty's reign
chaptered three, and intituled, "An Act to authorize the granting of subsidies
in aid of the construction of the lines of railway therein mentioned,'
amongst other things in effect enacted : That the Governor in Council maj
grant :

To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, for 80 miles of thei
railway from Lake St. John towards Chicoutimi, or from Chicoutimi toward
Lake St. John, being a transfer made at the request of the Saguenay and Lak
St. John Railway Company of the subsidy granted to them by 50 and 51 Vic.
chap. 24, a subsidy not exceeding three thousand two hundred dollars pe:
mile, nor exceeding in the whole ninety.six thousand dollars, the said railway
to be commenced within two years from the first day of August, A. D., 1888
and completed within a reasonable time, not to exceed four years, to be fixe
by Order in Council, and to be constructed according to descriptions an
specifications and upon conditions to be approved by the Governor in Counci
on the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in
agreement to be made by the Company with the Government, and which th<
Government is thereby empowered to make ; the location of such line o
railway to be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council ; the saic
subsidy to be payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada b)
instalments on the completion, to the satisfaction of the Minister of Railway
and Canals, of each section of the railway of not less than ten miles, propo
tionate to the value of the portion so completed, in comparison with that o
the whole work undertaken, to be established by the report of the said Ministei
or upoE ••ompletion of the work subsidized.

A \i> Whbbbas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descri
tions, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked "A," as f
descriptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the sa
railway.

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Now this Agreement witnessetii, that in consideration of the said
subsidy to be paid in the manner aforesaid, " The Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company" covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her Heirs
and Successors in manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make, build,
construct and complete aline of railway from Chambord Junction, of their
railway, near Lake St. John, towards Chicoutimi, thirty miles, the points and
approximate route and course being shown on the map filed in the Depart-
ment of Railways and Canals, and all bridges, culverts and works appurtenant
thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said line of railway, bridges
and culverts, and perform £ll engineering services, whether in the field or in
preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction of the
Governor in Council.

2. That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line ot
railway on as straight a course as practicable, between the points above
mentioned, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispensable
to avoid serious engineering obstables, and as shall be allowed by the Governor
in Council.

3. That the gradients and alignments shall be the best that the physical
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid speci-
fications hereto annexed, marked "A."

4. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills of
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections and that before the
work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills of
quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and betore any
payments are made, the company will furnish such further returns as may be
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative value
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said company have commenced the works embraced in this
agreement and shall complete the same, to wit : — on or before the first day of
August, A. D., eighteen hundred and ninety, time being declared to be
material and of the essence of this contract, and in default of such completion
as aforesaid, on or before the said date or dates, the company shall forfeit all
right, claim or demand to any and every part of the subsidy remaining unpaid,
as also to any moneys whatever which may be at the time of the failure of
the completion as aforesaid due and owing to the company.

6. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said line
of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the same
and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working and running
order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company will build, construct and complete the said line of
railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the
specification hereto annexed, marked " A" ; and upon a line of location to be
approved of by the Governor in Council.

8. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto,
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and real
of every character, sball upon completion of the said line of railway and works
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

In witness whereof, " The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company "
have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents to be
signed by the President and by the Secretary of the said company, and the
Minister ot Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the

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same to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of the Department o:
Railways and Canals.

Signed by the President and by the')
Secretary of the said company, the
corporate seal of the company hav-
ing been hereto affixed, in the pre-
sence of

A. VALLERAND,
STUART S. OLIVER.

Signed and sealed by the Minister and
by the Secretary of the Department
of Railways and Canals, in the pre-
sence of

H. A. FISSIAULT,
M. DESJARDINS.

SIMON PETERS,

President.
J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

J. H. POPE,

Minister of Railways and Canals

A. P. BRADLEY,

Secretary.

-Hi
ltd!

fin

Exhibit "LJ" 85, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 7ti
January, 1892.

On a memorandum dated 4th January, 1892, from the Acting Ministe
of Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 29th December
ultimo, the Chief Engineer of Government Railways has reported on th
result of a further inspection made of the section of the Quebec and Lake St
John Railway, 12 miles in length, from Lorette via Charlesbourg to Quebec
subsidized by the Act 53 Vic. ch. 2.

The Minister further represents that such report shows this
section to be completed, and that the company have

earned the whole of their subsidy, amounting to $38,400

Of this sum, payment has already been authorized of. 26,300

Leaving the balance now payable 12,100

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment o
this balance, $12,100.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Certified Copy of a report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 21s
April, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 13th April, 1891, from the Minister of Railway
and Canals, representing that in connection with certain subsidies granted ir
aid of railway bridge construction, such subsidy being to the extent of 15 pel

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cent, of the value of the work, up to a certain limit, the chief engineer of
Government Railways has applied for information as to the intention of the
grant, the point being whether the subsidy to be payable on the value of the
actual bridge from tail to tail of the abutments, or on the value of the entire
structural works, forming a roadway from bank to bank of the river to be
crossed. The case is shewn in the accompanying diagram.

The Minister submits the question for determination.

The committee have come to the conclusion that the latter is the general
principle to be adopted, but that payments on each grant on account of a
bridge subsidy shall be submitted to Council.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

A.
SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradients and curvatures shall be the best the physical
features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed sixty
nine (69) feet to the mile, except for a few hundred feet on landing from the
St. Charles bridge to the Louise embankment, where ninety-nine (99) feet per
mile will be allowed ; and the minimum radius of curve shall not be less than
nineteen hundred and ten (1910) feet or 3°, excepting the curve at the head
of the Louise Dock, which may be of a minimum radius of five hundred (500)
feet or 11° 15."

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
less than fifty (50) feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logs
must be completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stamps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in length.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. The railway must be enclosed with substantially-built legal fences,
of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to accommodate the
farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be not less than
twenty (20) feet, embankments not less than fifteen (15) feet, wThen settled
into place.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under-
drains.

0th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size and
strength lor the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges must
be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve feet in
height must be of well built, strong second class masonry, iron or double
strength vitrified culvert pipes, made of durable and suitable materials,
thoroughly permanent in character, and equal in every essential particular
to the best description of like wrork employed in similar railway work in
the Dominion.

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11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet in
height shall be of strong second class masonry or of cedar wood not less than
1 0 inches by 10 inches, except the track stringers which may be of sound
pine, white oak, tamarack or spruce timber, not less than 12 inches by 14
inches. The span shall not exceed 14 feet, and they shall be constructed on a
plan approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure of
truss bridges may be of sound white pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if the
trusses are covered in from the weather and shingled, in such case, straight-
grained spruce timber may be used, or double strength vitrified clay culvert
pipes.

12th. Box culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shall
be of strong second class masonry or cedar 10 by 10 inches.

13th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (56)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved pattern and with the most approved fish-
plate.

14th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and 8
feet long — 2,600 to the mile.

15th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's,
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the re-
quirements of the traffic shaT be provided by the company.

16th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line, including this
section, is already provided by the company.

This Contract and Agreement made the second day of December, in the
year one thousand eight hundred and ninety.

Between Her Majesty The Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion of
Canada, and herein represented by the Minister of Railways and Canals, of
the first part ;

And the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, of the second
part ;

Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session of
the Parliament of Canada held in the fifty-third year of Her Majesty's reign,
chaptered two, and intituled, "An Act to authorize the granting of subsidies
in aid of the construction of the lines of railway therein mentioned," amongst
other things in effect enacted : That the Governor in Council may grant :

To the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, for a railway bridge
over the St. Charles River, to give access to the city of Quebec,* a subsidy not
to exceed in the whole $30,000, also for 12 miles of their railway from Lorett
via Charlesbourg to Quebec, a subsidy not exceeding ($3,200) three thoi
sand two hundred dollars per mile, not exceeding in the whole sixty-eigl
thousand four hundred dollars, it being provided therein that the line
railway, unless it is already commenced, shall be commenced within two]
years from the first day of July, A.D. 1890, and completed within a reason-
able time, not to exceed four years, to be fixed by Order in Council, and shall!
be constructed according to descriptions and specifications and upon conditions
to be approved by the Governor in Council on the report of the Minister of
Railways and Canals, and specified in an agreement to be made by the com-
pany with the Government, and which the Government is thereby empowered j

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to make ; the location also of such line of railway shall be subject to the
approval of the Governor in Council ; the said subsidy shall be payable out
of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada by instalments on the comple-
tion, to the satisfaction of the Minister of Railways and Canals, of each section
)f the railway of not less than ten miles, proportionate to the value of the por-
tion so completed, in comparison with that of the wThole work undertaken, to
be established by the report of the said Minister, or upon completion of the
work subsidized.

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to
such conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements, and
other rights, as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to
all railways connecting wTith that so subsidized, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

And Whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tion, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked " A," as the des-
criptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the said railway.

Now this Agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said sub-
sidy to be paid in the manner aforesaid, uThe Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company" covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her
Heirs and Successors in manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the Company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make,
build, construct and complete a line of railway from Lorette via Charlesbourg
to Quebec, and a railway bridge over the St. Charles River to give access to
the city of Quebec, said railway of a length of twelve miles, the points and
approximate route and course being shown on the map filed in the depart-
ment of Railways and Canals, and all bridges, culverts and works appurtenant
thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said line of railway, bridges
and culverts, and perform all engineering services, whether in the field or in
preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction of the
Governor in Council.

2. That the Company shall and will locate and construct the said line of
railway on as straight a course as practicable, between the points above men-
tioned, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispensable to
avoid serious engineering obstacles, and as shall be allowed by the Governor
in Council.

3. That the gradients and alignments shall be the best that the physical
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specifi-
cations hereto annexed, marked " A."

4. That the Company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills of
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that before
the work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills
of quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any
payments are made, the Company will furnish such further returns as may be
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative value
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said Company shall commence the works embraced in this
agreement within two months and shall complete the same, to wit : — on or
before the first day of October, A.D. eighteen hundred and ninety-one, time
being declared to be material and of the essence of this contract, and in default
of such completion as aforesaid, on or before the said date or dates, the com-
pany shall forfeit all right, claim or demand to any and every part of the
[subsidy remaining unpaid, as also to any moneys whatever which may be at

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Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 183

the time of the failure of the completion as aforesaid due and owing to t
Company.

6. That the Company will upon and after the completion of the said lii
of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the sj
and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working andrunnii
order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the Company will build, construct and complete the said line
railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with tl
specification hereto annexed, marked " A " ; and upon a line of location
be approved of by the Governor in Council.

8. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such con<
tions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other rigl
as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all railwaj
connecting with the said line of railway so subsidized as the Governor
Council may determine.

9. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining theret
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and
of every character, shall upon completion of the said line of railway and worll
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

In witness whereof, " The Quebec and Lake St. John Eailway Compan;
have caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents to
signed by the president and by the secretary of the said company, and tl
Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused tl
same to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of the Department
Railways and Canals.

Signed by the president and by the secretary ^
of the said company, the corporate !
seal of the company having been here- j
unto affixed, in the presence of

JAS. PIDDINGTON,
JNO. LYNCH.

Signed and sealed by the Minister and
by the secretary of the Depart-
ment of Railways and Canals,
in the presence of

H. A. FISSIAULT.
VI. O'NEIL.

FRANK ROSS,

President.
J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

JOHN A. MACDONALD,

Minister of Railways and Caned
A. P. BRADLEY,

Secretary.

Exhibit " LJ " 86, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST; HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Cottnc-
"^proved by the Ilonourable the Deputy Governor on the 3rd October, 188 1

On a Memorandum dated 2nd October, 1885, from the Minister of Raj
ways and Canals submitting that at the last session of Parliament an A;
48-49 Vict., chap. 58, was passed, authorizing the grant of subsidies in aid <
the construction of certain railways named, and that amongst these was oi

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l further aid of the construction of a line from a point on the Intercolonial
Railway at Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle in the province of Quebec to
idmundston in the province of New Brunswick. The Minister represents that
1 connection with this subsidy the said Act provided as follows : "for the
urpose of incorporating the persons undertaking the construction of the s;ii<i
ulwuy and those who shall be associated with them in the undertaking, the
rovernor may grant to them under such corporate name as he shalj deem
xpedient, a charter conferring upon them the franchises, privileges and powers
equisite for the said purposes, which shall be similar to such of the franchises,
rivileges and powers granted to railway companies during the present session
s the " Governor shall deem most useful or appropriate to the said under-
aking ; and such charter being published in the " Canada Gazette," with any
)rder or Orders in Council relating to it, shall have force and effect as if it were
n Act of the Parliament of Canada."

The Minister further submits a petition from certain persons, viz. : Alex-
ander Roderick McDonald, superintendent of the Quebec Division, Intercolo-
ial railway ; Paul Etienne Grandbois, doctor, member of the Parliament of
Janada, Damase Rossignol, doctor, all residents of Fraserville, Quebec ; George
lonore Deschenes, farmer and member of the Provincial Legislature of Quebec,
esident of the parish of St. Epiphane ; John J. McDonald, Ottawa ; Adolphe
tlamel, merchant, Joseph Israel Tarte, journalist, both residents of the city of
Quebec ; and Charles Bertrand, of Isle Verte, merchant, praying that a char-
ier might be granted incorporating them, conformably to the said Act for the
Durposes indicated under the name of " The Temiscouata Railway Company."
^e Minister recommends that authority be given for the grant of such charter
n accordance with the provisions of the Act as above quoted.

The committee advise that authority be granted and that the Minister of
lustice prepare the same in accordance with the provisions of the Act 48-49
Vict., chap. 58, section 1, sub.-sec. 1, as prayed for in the above mentioned
petition.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 87, for the Crown ; tiled 21st September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL

Clerk, B.C.

SCHEDULE.

CANADA.

VICTORIA, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, &c, &c.

To all to whom these presents shall come, or whom the same may in any
wise concern, —Greeting :

Whereas by an Act of the Parliament of Canada, passed in the session
held in the 48th and 49th years of Her Majesty's reign, and chaptered 58, it is
in effect enacted that for the purpose of incorporating the persons under-
taking the construction of a railway from a point on the Intercolonial
Railwav at River du Loup or River Ouelle, in the province of Quebec,

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to Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick, and those associatl
with them in the undertaking, the Governor may grant to them, under sui
corporate name as he shall deem expedient, a charter conferring upon thet
the franchises, privileges and powers requisite for the said purposes, whil
shall be similar to such ot the franchises, privileges and powers granted ]
railway companies during the session, as the Governor shall deem most uselj!
or appropriate to the said undertaking, and that such charter bei*
published in the Canada Gazette with any Order or Orders in Council relatii
to it shall have force and effect as i£ it were an Act of the Parliament I
Canada.

Now know ye, that, by and with the advice of our Privy Council fj
Canada, and under the authority of the hereinbefore in part recited Act, aij.
of any other power and authority whatsoever in us vested in this behalf, "Vl
do, by these Our Letters Patent, grant a charter unto the persons hereinaft'
mentioned by name and to those who may be associated with them for t|
purposes hereof, conferring upon them the franchises , privileges and powel
hereinafter set forth, that is to say : —

1st. Alexander Roderick McDonald, Superintendent of the Queb»l
Division, Intercolonial Railway ; Paul Etienne Grandbois, Doctor, Member
the Parliament of Canada ; Damase Rossignol, Doctor, all residents of Fras(|
ville, Quebec ; George Honore Deschenes, farmer and Member of the Provincii
Legislature of Quebec, resident of the Parish of St. Epiphane ; John
McDonald, of Ottawa ; Adolphe Hamel, merchant ; Joseph Israel Tart'
journalist, both residents of the city of Quebec, and Charles Bertrand, mercha!
of L'Isle Yerte, together with such other persons as may become shareholdei
in the company to be hereby incorporated, are hereby declared to be a bod
corporate and politic by the name of the " Temiscouata Railway Company
hereinafter called " the company," and the said railway and the works hereli
authorized are declared to be for the general advantage of Canada, and UT]|
Consolidated Railway Act, 1879," and the Acts amending the same, shall
hereby modified, apply to the said railway, as if this charter were an Act
the Parliament of Canada.

2nd. The company may lay out, construct and operate a railway from j
point on the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup, in the province ■
Quebec, to Edmundston in the province of New Brunswick.

3rd. The said Alexander Roderick McDonald, Paul Etienne Grandboi
Damase Rossignol, George Honore Deschesnes, John J. McDonald, Adolpb
Hamel, Joseph Israel Tarte, and Charles Bertrand, shall be provisional directoi
of the company (of whom five shall be a quorum), and shall hold office as sue
until the first election of directors under this charter and shall have pow<j
forthwith to open stock books, procure subscriptions for stock for the undd
taking, make calls on stock subscribed, receive payments thereon, make, I
cause to be made, plans and surveys of the works herein contemplated, and I
deposit in any chartered bank of Canada, all moneys received by them d
account of stock subscribed, or otherwise received on account of the companj
and to withdraw the same for the purposes only of the undertaking, and
receive, on behalf of the company, any grant, loan, bonus or gift made to it !
aid of the undertaking, or any portion of it.

4th. The capital stock of the company shall be five hundred thousarj
Lollars divided into five thousand shares of one hundred dollars each, and shaj
>e applied in the lirst place for the payment of all expenses of organizing tli

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ompany, and for making the surveys, plans and estimates connected with the
-orks hereby authorized.

5th. When twenty-five per cent of the capital stock has been subscribed

nd ten per cent thereof has been paid into some chartered bank of Canada

o the credit of the company, the provisional directors shall call a general

meeting of the subscribers to the capital stock, to be held at Fraserville, county

f Temiscouata, for the purpose of electing nine directors — giving at least two

reeks previous notice of such meeting in the Canada Gazette and in some

aily newspaper published in said Fraserville, or in the city of Quebec, and

lso by circular addressed by mail to each subscriber, stating the time, place

d purpose of the said meeting ; and at such general meeting the share-

ders may choose nine persons, qualified as hereinafter mentioned, to be

ctors of the company, who, together with the ex-officio directors (if any)

ointed under the provisions of this charter, shall constitute a board of

ctors, and shall hold office until the first Tuesday in March in the year

owing their appointment.

6th. Thereafter the annual general meeting of the shareholders of the

pany for the election of directors and other general purposes, shall be held

said Fraserville, on the first Tuesday in March in each year, when nine

ctors shall be chosen to hold office for one year ; and two weeks previous

ice of such meeting shall be given by advertisement published as provided

in the next preceding section.

7th. ^o person shall be a director of the company unless he is the holder,
his own right, of at least ten shares in the stock of the company, and has
paid up all calls thereon.

8th. Special general meetings of the shareholders of the company may be
?alled in the method prescribed by the by-laws of the company, and upon
notice to be given by advertisement published as provided in section five.

9th. At all meetings of the Board of Directors, five shall form a quorum
for the transaction of business, and the said Board of Directors may employ
one of their board as a paid director.

10th. The number of directors may be increased to not more than twelve
by by-law passed by the shareholders at any general meeting or special meet-
ing called for that purpose.

11th. The company may receive as aid, in the construction of the said
railway, any lands in the vicinity thereof, or any other real property required
for the purposes of the railway, either as gifts or in payment of stock, and
may legally dispose of -the same, and may alienate the lands or other real
property for the purposes of the compan}^ : and the company may receive in
aid of the construction of the said railway, any bonus in mone}^ or debentures,
either with or without condition, and may enter into agreements for the
carrying out of any such conditions, or with respect thereto.

12th. The Mayor or Warden or other head of any municipal corporation
lawfully giving a bonus to the amount often thousand dollars or upwards in
aid of the construction of such railway, shall be ex-officio one of the directors
of the company in addition to the number of directors hereby authorized.

13th. The company may become party to promissory notes and bills of
exchange for sums not less than one hundred dollars ; and any such promis-
sory notes made, drawn, accepted or endorsed by the president or vice-
president of the company and countersigned by the secretary and treasurer of
the company, shall be binding on the company ; and every such promissory
note or bill of exchange so made, drawn, accepted or endorsed shall be taken

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to have been made, drawn, accepted or endorsed with proper authority, andj
in no case shall it be necessary to have the seal of the company affixed tcj
such promissory note or bill of exchange, nor shall the said president or vicej
president, or the secretary and treasurer, be individually responsible for the
same, unless the said promissory note or bill of exchange has been issued
without proper authority ; provided, however, that nothing in this section}
shall be construed to authorize the company to issue any note or bill of
exchange payable- to bearer, or intended to be circulated as money, or as the
note or bill of a bank.

14th. The directors of the company, after the sanction of the shareholder?
has been first obtained at any special general meeting, called from time to!
time for such purpose, — at which meeting shareholders representing at least!
one-half in value of the stock, are present, — may issue bonds, made and signed
by the president or vice-president of the company, and countersigned by the
secretary and treasurer, and under the seal of the company, for the purpose oi
raising money for prosecuting the said undertaking; and such bonds shall be;
taken to be and shall be the first preferential claim and charge upon the under-i
taking, and the franchises, tolls and property of the company, real and per-l
sonal, then existing, and at any time thereafter acquired ; provided, however.!
that the whole amount of such issue of bonds shall not exceed in all the sum!
of twenty thousand dollars per mile of the said railway, to be issued in pro-i
portion to the length of railway constructed or under contract to be conj
structed ; and, provided also, that in the event, at any time, of the interest!
upon the said bonds remaining unpaid and owing, then at the next ensuing;
annual general meeting of the company, and at all other general or special
meetings, as long as the said default continues, all holders of bonds shall have)
and possess the same rights and privileges and qualifications for being elected!
directors and for voting as they would have if the bonds they held had beeni
shares; provided, that the bonds and any transfers thereof, have been first
registered in the same manner as is provided for the registration of shares ;j
and it shall be the duty of the secretary of the company, upon production
thereof, to register the same in the manner required by the bearer thereof,;
and being required so to do by such bearer.

15th. The company may secure such bonds by a deed or deeds of mort-j
gage, executed by the company with the authority of its shareholders.!
expressed by a resolution passed at such special or general meeting ; and any;
such deed may contain such description of the property mortgaged by such
deed and such conditions respecting the payment of the bonds secured thereby
and of the interest thereon, and the remedies to be enjoyed by the holders oi
such bonds, or by any trustee or trustees for them, in default of such payment*
and the enforcement of such remedies, and may provide for such forfeitures-;
and penalties, in default of such payment, as are approved by such meetings.1

2. Such deed may also contain, with the approval aforesaid, authority
to the trustee or trustees, upon such default, as one of such remedies to take
possession of the railway and property mortgaged, and to hold and run the
same for the benefit of bondholders thereof, for a time to be limited by such
deed, or to sell the said railway and property, after such delay, and upon such
notice, terms and conditions as are stated in such deed ; and with like approval
any men deed may contain provisions to the effect that, upon such default,
and apon such other conditions as are described in such deed, the right o^
noting possessed by the shareholders of the company shall cease and determine
and shall thereafter appertain to the bondholders; and such deed may alsci

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(provide for the conditional or absolute cancellation, after such sale, of any or
all of the shares so deprived of voting power, and may also, either directly by
its terms, or indirectly by reference to the by-laws of the company, provide
|for the mode of enforcing and exercising the powers and authority to be con-
jferred and defined by such deed, under the provisions thereof; and such deed
land such provisions thereof as purport, with like approval, to grant such fur-
ther and other powers and privileges to such trustee or trustees, and to such
►ndholders as are not contrary to law or the provisions of this charter, shall
valid and binding ; but if any change in the ownership or possession of the
jsaid railway and property at any time takes place under the provisions hereof,
or of any such deed, or in any other manner, the said railway and property
'shall continue to be held and operated under the provisions hereof, and of
"The Consolidated Railway Act, 1879," and of any Act amending the same,
as hereby modified.

16th. The bonds authorized by this charter to be issued by the company
shall be made payable to bearer, and shall be transferable by delivery until
the same shall have been registered as hereinbefore provided, and shall be
personal property ; they may be issued in whole or in part, in the denomina-
tion of dollars or pounds sterling, or in either or both of them, and the coupons
may be payable in denominations similar to those of the bonds to which they
are attached ; and the whole or any such bonds may be pledged, negotiated
or sold upon such conditions and at such price as the board of directors from
time to time determine.

17th. The company may, from time to time, for advances of money made
thereon, mortgage or pledge any bonds which they, under the provisions of
this charter, issue for the construction of the railway or otherwise.

18th. It shall not be necessary in order to preserve the lien, priority, charge
or privilege purporting to appertain to or be created by any bond issued or
mortage deed executed under the provisions of this charter, that such bond or
deed should be registered in any manner or in any place whatever ; but every
such mortgage deed shall be deposited in the office of the Secretary of State of
Canada, of which deposit notice shall be given in the Canada Gazette : and in
like manner any agreement entered into by the company under the next
following section of this charter shall also be deposited in the said office, and
a copy of such mortgage deed or agreement, certified to be a true copy by the
Secretary of State or his deputy, shall be received as prima facie evidence of
the original, in all courts, without proof of the signature or seal upon such
original.

19th. The company may enter into an agreement with any other railway
company whose line of railway is crossed by the line of the company hereby
incorporated, or with which it connects, for conveying or leasing to such com-
pany the railway of the company hereby incorporated, in whole or in part, or
any branch thereof, or any rights or power acquired under this charter,
as also the surveys, plans, works, plant, material, machinery and other property
to them belonging, on such terms and conditions and for such period as may
be agreed upon and subject to such restrictions as to the directors seem fit ; pro-
vided, that the said conveyances, leases, agreements and arrangements have
been first sanctioned by a majority of the votes, at a special or general meeting
of the shareholders called for the purpose of considering the same, on due notice
given, and also by the Governor in Council ; provided, that before such sanc-
tion by the Governor in Council shall be given, notice of the application
therefor shall be published in the Canada Gazette and in one newspaper in

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each of the counties through which the said railway runs, for at least twd
months prior to the time therein named for the making of such application j
and such notice shall state a time and place where and when the application]
will he made, and that all parties may then and there appear and be heard on
such application.

20th. The company may construct, work and operate such line or lines or
telegraph and telephone, in connection with and along the line of their railway^
and branches, as are necessary or useful for the purposes of their undertaking]

21st The railway shall be commenced within two years, and be completed]
within five years from the date of this charter.

Form of conveyance of land to company, deeds and conveyances of land
to the company (not being letters patent from the Crown), may, in so far as
circumstances will admit be in the form following, that is to say : —

Know all men by these presents, that I, A.B., in consideration of

paid to me by the Temiscouata Railway Company, the receipt whereof
is hereby acknowledged, grant, bargain, sell and convey unto the said Tem-
iscouta Railway Company, their successors and assigns, all that tract or parcel
of land (describe the land) to have and to hold the said land and premises
unto the said company, their successors and assigns for ever.

Witness my hand and seal this day of one thousand

eight hundred and

Signed, sealed and delivered in presence of)

C. D. A. 13. [L.S.]

E. F. j

Or in any other form to the like effect ; and every deed made in accordance
therewith shall be held and construed to impose upon the vendor executing
the same, the obligation of guaranteeing the company and its assigns against j
all dower and claim for dower, and against all hypothecs and mortgages, andj
against all liens and charges whatsoever, not excepted in the grant, and also
that he has a good, valid and transferable title thereto.

In testimony whereof, we have caused these Our Letters to be made j
Patent, and the Great seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness, thei
Honourable Sir William Johnson Ritchie, Knight, Chief Justice of the Supreme }
Court of Canada, Deputy to Our Right Trusty and Entirely Beloved Cousin,
the most Honourable Sir Henry Charles Keith Petty-Fitzmaurice, Marquis of i
Lansdowne, in the County of Somerset, Earl of Wycombe, of Chipping]
Wycombe, in the County of Bucks, Viscount Calne and Calnstone, in the j
County of Wilts, and Lord Wycombe, Baron of Chipping- Wycombe, in the
County of Bucks, in the Peerage of Great Britain ; Earl of Kerry and Earl of
Shelburne, Viscount Cianmaurice and Fitzmaurice, Baron of Kerry, Lixnaw, i
and Dunkerron, in the Peerage of Ireland ; Knight Grand Cross of Our Most
Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George; Governor-General of
Canada, and Vice Admiral of the same.

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this sixth day of
October, in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty-
five, and in the forty-ninth year of Our Reign.

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Government House,

Ottawa, Tuesday, 6th October, 1885.

Present : The Honourable the Deputy-Governor

• In Council.

On the recommendation of the Acting Minister of Justice, and in accord-
ice with the provisions of the 1st subsection of the 1st section of the Act of
le Parliament of Canada, passed in the session held in the 48th and 49th
jars of Her Majesty's reign, chaptered 58 and intituled "An Act to authorize
ie granting of further subsidies to, and making further provision for the
mstruction and efficient operation of the railways therein described," —

The Honourable the Deputy-Governor, by and with the advice of the

Queen's Privy Council for Canada, has been pleased to grant and does hereby

mt a charter in the form set forth in the schedule hereto annexed, prepared

mder authority of the Order in Council of the 3rd October, instant, to certain

arsons named in the said charter, incorporating them under the name of

The Temiscouata Railway Company," for the purpose of building a railway

>m a point on the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup to Edmundston,

the province of New Brunswick ; and the Honourable the Deputy-Gover-

lor, by and with the advice of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, has

>een pleased to order, and it is hereby ordered, that the said charter with the

>resent Order in Council; and the Order in Council of the 3rd day of October,

tstant, relating thereto, be published in the Canada Gazette, to the end that

te said charter may have the same force and effect as if it were an Act of the

^rliament of Canada. •

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 88, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Riviere du Loup, 27th January, 1886.

The Hon. J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — "We are instructed by the board of directors of the Temiscouata
Railway Company to make application to the Government of Canada for the
grant of the subsidies provided by Parliament in aid of the construction of a
railway from a point on the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup, in the
province of Quebec, to Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick.

Our company has been incorporated under the provisions of 48-49 Vict.,
chapter 58, Sect. 1, by Order in Council of 6th 1885, published in the Canada
Gazette of 10th October, 1885, and has been organized in accordance with the
charter so granted, at a meeting held at Quebec on the 19th day of January,
1886, at which all the provisional directors named in the charter were present,
when one fourth of the capital stock authorized by the charter, or $125,000,
was subscribed, upon which 10 per cent or $12,500, has been paid into the
Bank of Toronto, and a committee consisting of the undersigned and J. I.

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Tarte, were appointed by resolution of the Board to enter into a contract on
behalf of the company with the Government for the subsidies granted to the
company.

The subscribers to the stock of the company are the undersigned, and
the following gentlemen : Dr Rossignol, of Riviere du Loup ; Adolphe Hamel,
of Quebec; G-. H. Deschene*s, M. P.. P., of St. Epiphanie; J. Israel Tarte, of
Quebec ; Charles B. Bertrand, of Isle Verte ; and Wm. McCarthy, of Ottawa.

Proposals from responsible contractors have been received by the, direc-
tors for the construction of the road within the available assets of the company
consisting of the capital stock and the Dominion and Provincial Government
subsidies.

We propose to construct the road in a first class manner, suitable for a
link in a through line of traffic, and according to the survey made by Wm.
J. Crawford, C.E., for the Government, and the profile prepared by him, and!
now filed in your Department (unless in any part of the alignment you may!
hereafter sanction a change tor the improvement of the line) and according tot
the specification and description marked " A" herewith, and we are prepared!
to enter into a contract with the Government to that effect.

We have the honor to be, sir,

Your obedient servants,

a. r. Mcdonald,
p. e. grandbois,
john j. Mcdonald.

TEMISCOUATA RAILWAY.-SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION!

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eigh
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradients and curvatures shall be the best th.
physical features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not tc
exceed seventy-nine (79) feet to the mile, and the minimum curvature not t(
be of less radius than eight hundred and eighteen (818).

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of noi
less than fifty feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logs must btl j
completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limit of cuttings until-
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than fouj .
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. Through settlements the railway must be enclosed with substantially
built legal fences, of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings t<
accommodate the farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provide*
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be in rock cut
eighteen (18) feet, and in earth twenty (20) feet, embankments sixteen (16
feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and undei
• Imins.

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k©

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges
over Riviere du Loup and Madawaska at Edmundston must be of massive
masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve feet in height must be
of well built, strong, second class masonry, or iron, made of durable and
suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character, and equal in every
essential particular to the best description of like work employed in similar
railway work in the Dominion. Other truss bridges, abutments and piers as
well as culverts under embankments less than 12 feet in height shall be of
good sound white cedar of not less dimensions than 12' x 12' inches. Super-
structure of truss bridges may be of wood.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (56)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved section, and with the most approved fish-
plate.

12th. The railway must be Avell ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and 8
feet long, 2,600 to the mile.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables, or Y's,
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company.

a. r. Mcdonald,
p. e. grandbois,
john j. Mcdonald.

Riviere du Loup,

27th January, 1886.

Exhibit "LJ" 89, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 1st
March, 1886.

The committee, on the recommendation of the Minister of Railway s and
Canals, advise that the Order in Council dated the 28th of May, 1883,
whereby authority was given, but not acted on, for entering into agreement
with the New Brunswick Railway Company for the construction of a line
from Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle to Edmundston be cancelled.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit "LJ" 90, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor-General in Council on the 5th
April, 1886.

On a memorandum dated 27th February, 1886, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals submitting that, by an Order in Council dated 3rd
October last a charter was granted to the Temiscouata Railway Company, in
accordance with the provisions of the Act 48-49 Vic, chap. 58, for the
construction of a line of railway subsidized by the said Act, between Riviere
du Loup and Edmundston, and that such charter being also in accordance with
the Act published in the Canada Gazette of the 10th of October, 1885, has
become of force and effect as if it were an act of Parliament.

The Minister represents that the company so constituted have made
application for the several subsidies authorized by Parliament, submitting for
approval specifications of the proposed work, as to which the chief engineer
of Government railways has reported on the 29th ultimo, that they are
reasonable, and the Minister being satisfied as to the ability of the company
to carry the work to a successful conclusion, recommends that the said
specifications be approved and that he be authorized to enter into contract
with them for the construction of a line of railway between the points indicated
in their charter and course, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council,
the company undertaking to cause a survey to be made for a line running to
the south-west of the line of the Government survey already made west of
Lake Temiscouata and between such Government surveyed lines and the
River St. Francis, and that before commencing the construction of this or of
any other portion of their line, the company will submit plans of their location
and obtain approval thereof from the Governor in Council.

The Minister recommends that he be authorized to sign the draft contract
attached on behalf of the Government, the provisions as above, together with
the specifications of the work and other necessary conditions, having been
therein set down.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval, and they
advise that the Minister of Railways and Canals be authorized to sign the
draft contract accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk. Privy Council.

TEMISCOUATA RAILWAY.

Specification and Description.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradients and curvatures shall be the best the
physical features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to

Edgar versus Caron.

exceed seventy-nine (79) toot to the mile, and the minimum curvature not to
be of less radius than eight hundred and eighteen (818) feet.

3rd. In all wooded sections the land must he cleared to the width of not
less than fifty feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logs must be
completely burnt and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than 1wo feet in height.

6th. Through settlements the railway must be enclosed with substantially-
built legal fences of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to
accommodate the farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be, in rock cuts eighteen
(18) feet and in earth twenty (20) feet, embankments sixteen (16) feet.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under-
d rains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size and
strength tor the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges over
Riviere du Loup and Madawaska at Edmundston must be of massive masonry,
and culverts under embankments over twelve feet in height must be of well
built, strong second class masonry, or iron, made of durable and suitable
materials, thoroughly permanent in character, and equal in every essential
particular to the best description of like work employed in similar railway
work in the Dominion. Other truss bridges, abutments and piers, as well as
culverts under embankments less than twelve feet in height, may be of good
sound white cedar of not less dimensions than 12 x 12 inches. Superstructure
of truss bridges may be of wood.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (56)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved section, and with the most approved fish-
plate.

12th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be eight inches face by six inches thick
and eight feet long, 2,600 to the mile.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's,
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company.

Articles of Agreement made and entered into this • day of

, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six.

Between " The Temiscouata Railway Company," of the first part, and
Her Majesty Queen Victoria, represented herein by the Minister of Railways
and Canals, of the second part.

"Witnesseth, that whereas, it is in and by an Act passed in the session of
the Parliament of Canada, held in the forty-fifth year of Her Majesty's reign,
chaptered 14, and intituled : " An Act to provide for the granting of subsidies
for the construction of certain lines of railway therein mentioned," amongst
other things in effect enacted, that it shall be lawful for the Governor in Coun-

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oil to grant towards the construction of a railway from a point on the Inter-
colonial Railway at Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle, in the province of
Quebec, or between them to Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick, a
subsidy not exceeding three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, nor
exceeding in the whole two hundred and forty thousand dollars, the said sub-
sidy to be granted to such company as shall be approved by the Governor in
Council as having established to his satisfaction their ability to complete the
said railway within a reasonable time, to be fixed by Order in Council, and
according to descriptions and specifications to be approved by the Governor in
Council on the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified
in an agreement to be made by the company with the Government ; such
subsidy to be payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada, by
instalments, on the completion of each ten miles of railway, proportionate to
the value of the portion so completed in comparison with the whole work
undertaken, to be established by the report of the said Minister.

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to
such conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and
other rights, as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to
all railways connecting with that so subsidized, as the Governor in Council
may determine.

And whereas, by another Act passed in the forty-eighth and forty-ninth
year of Her Majesty's reign, chapter fifty-eight, it was made lawful for the
Governor in Council to grant " for a railway from a point on the Intercolonial
Railway at Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle, in the province of Quebec, to
Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick," a subsidy not exceeding two
thousand eight hundred dollars per mile for seventy-five miles, and six thou-
sand dollars per mile for eight miles, nor exceeding in the whole two hundred
and fifty-eight thousand dollars ; the said subsidy to be in addition to the
subsidy authorized to be granted in aid of the construction of the said rail-
way by the Act forty-filth Victoria, chapter fourteen, and constituting with
the subsidy so authorized a subsidy not exceeding on the whole four hundred
and ninety-eight thousand dollars, and to be granted for the said railway upon!
the terms and conditions specified in the said Act, and payable out of the
Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada ; and for the purpose of incorporating
the persons undertaking the construction of the said railway and those who
shall be associated with them in the undertaking, the Governor may grant to
them, under such corporate name as he shall deem expedient, a charter con-
ferring upon them the franchises, privileges and powers requisite for the saidi
purposes, which shall be similar to such of the franchises, privileges and
powers granted to railway companies during the present session (1885) as the
Governor shall deem most useful or appropriate to the said undertaking ; and
such charter being published in the Canada Gazette, with any Order or Orders
in Council relating to it, shall have force and effect as if it were an Act of the
Parliament of Canada.

And Whereas the Temiscouata Railway Company has been duly incor-
porated under the provisions of the Act last hereinbefore mentioned, by an
Order in Council of the 6th day of October, A. D. 1885, published in the
Canada Gazette of the 10th day of October, A.D. 1885, and has been organized
in accordance with the charter so granted

And Whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tions and specifications hereto annexed, marked " A," as the descriptions and
speeiti cations for the construction of the railway from a point on the Interco-
ms

Edgar versus Caron.

lonial Railway at Rivi&re du Loup, in the province of Quebec, to Edmundston,

in the province of New Brunswick.

Now this Agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said subsidy
to be paid in the manner aforesaid, "The Temiscouata Railway Company
covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors in
manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the Company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make,
build, construct and complete a line of railway from a point on the Intercolo-
nial Railway at Riviere du Loup, in the province of Quebec, to a point at
Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick, and all bridges, culverts and
works appurtenant thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said
line of railway, bridges, culverts, and all engineering services, whether in the
field or preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction
of the Governor in Council.

2. That the Company shall and will locate and construct the said line of
railway between the points above mentioned on such a course as will meet the
approval of the Governor in Council. And the company further shall cause a
survey to be made for a line running to the south west of the line of the
Government Survey already made west of Lake Temiscouata and between
such Government surveyed line and the River St. Francis. And that before
commencing the construction of this or any other portion of their line, the
Company will submit plans of their location and obtain the approval thereof
from the Governor in Council.

3. That the gradients and alignment shall be the best the physical fea-
tures of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specification
hereto annexed, marked " A."

4. That the Company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills of
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections and that before the
work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills of
quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any pay-
ments are made, the Company will furnish such further returns as may be
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative value
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5th. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in this
agreement within and shall complete the

same or on before time

being declared to be material, and of the essence of this contract, and in
default of such completion as aforesaid, on or before the said date, the com-
pany shall forfeit all right, claim or demand to any and every part of the
subsidy remaining unpaid, as also to any moneys whatever which may be at
the time of the failure of the completion as aforesaid due and owing to the
company.

6th. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said
line of rail w ay and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the
same and the rolling stock required therefor in good and sufficient working
and running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7th. That the company will build and construct and complete the said
line of railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance
with the specification hereto annexed, marked " A " ; ancj upon a line of
location to be approved of by the Governor in Council.

8th. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such con-
ditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other

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rights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all rail-
ways connecting with the said line of railway so subsidized as the Governor
in Council may determine.

9th. And the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto,
together with all the franchises, rights, privileges, propery, personal and real
of every character, shall upon completion of the said line of railway and
works appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

In Witness Whereof, " The Temiscouata Railway Company" have
caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto, and these presents to be
signed by the President and by the Secretary of the said company, and the
Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the
same to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of the Department of
Railways and Canals.
Signed by the President and by the Secretary 1

of the said Company, the corporate seal of !

the Company having been hereto affixed in j

the presence of J

Signed and sealed by the Minister and by the ^j

Secretary of the Department of Railways >

and Canals, in the presence of J

Exhibit "LJ " 91, for the Crown, filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Ottawa, 31st May, 1886.
The Hon. J. H. Pope,

Minister of Railways, Ottawa.

Sir, — Referring to our letter to you of the 27th January, 1886, in rela-
tion to the Temiscouata Railway Company, we now beg to state that the
assets of the company for building the road consist of: —

1st. The Dominion Government subsidy of $6,000 per mile for the whole
distance of 83 miles.

2nd. The subsidy from the Provincial Government of Quebec of 10,000
acres of land per mile for the distance of the road in that province, which
subsidy it is proposed by a resolution now before the Legislature to convert
into money at the rate of 70 cts. per acre or $7,000 per mile.

3rd. The subsidy from the Provincial Government of New Brunswick of
$3,200 per mile for the distance in that province.

4th. The capital stock of the company amounting to $500,000, of which
$125,000 has boon subscribed.

5th. Bonds of the company which it is proposed to issue to the extent
of $5,000 per mile.

Offers have been received from responsible contractors to build the road
on these asset-.

We are, sir,

Your obedient 'servants,

john j. Mcdonald,

P. E. GRANDBOIS,

Two of the Committee of the Board of Directors.
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Exhibit " LJ" 92, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 3rd September, 1887.

1. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — On the 26th ultimo, as instructed, Mr. Ridout inspected the first 10-
nile section out from Riviere du Loup on the Temiscouata Railway, upon
application of the President of the road, with a view to the payment of the
ubsidy applicable thereto. So far as the work has advanced, it appears to be
veil done, but it is not entirely completed, the following works requiring to be
lone to finish it according to contract, viz. : —

1. Fencing $2,752

2. Earthwork 4,618

3. Masonry 618

4. Riprap 50

5. Stone filling in earthwork 180

6. Farm crossings 136

7. Ballasting 3,360

8. Projected station building 2,800

$14,514

The amount of subsidy applicable to this

section is $70,460

Less value of work remaining to be

done $14,514

Balance representing proportion of work

done 55,946

I may here state that the company appear to be building a substantial
oad and that the grading and bridging over the whole 80 miles is I under-
tand far advanced towards completion, and it is said that 40 miles of rails
tave arrived. The track was laid for a distance of 13 miles on the day of
aspection.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "L J" 93, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 9th
September, 1887.

On a memorandum dated the 7th September, 1887, from the Minister
f Railways and Canals, representing that under authority of Order in Council

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 181

dated the 5th April, 1886, a contract was entered into with the Temiscoual
Railway Company, on the 21st June, following, for the construction of t|
line of railway subsidized, between Riviere du Loup, or Riviere Ouelle ai.
Edmundston, by the Act 48-49 Vic, chap. 58, and that an Order in CounJ
passed on the 30th September, 1886, approves of the line of location adopt!
by the company via Lake Temiscouata and the River Madawaska, covering!
distance of about 80^ miles.

The Minister further represents that the Government chief engineer J
railways has reported under date the 3rd inst. that an inspection has bel
made of the first 1 0 miles of this railway, commencing at Riviere du LoJ
and that the work appears to be well done, but is not completed, the cost J
which is estimated at $14,514, remaining still to be executed, and the chl
engineer further reports that this company appears to be building a substantj
road, that the grading and bridging on the whole of the line is in an advancl
state and that the track was laid for a distance ot 13 miles on the datel
inspection. That the subsidy applicable to this 10-mile section of the railwl
is |70,460, and deducting value of work remaining to be done, $14,59
There is left a balance representing proportion of work done of $55,946.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to t|
Temiscouata Railway Company, of the said sum of $55,946.

-The committee advise that the required authority be granted according

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council .

Exhibit " LJ " 94, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 26th September, 1887.
A. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout has inspected the section of the Temiscouata Rail
between Riviere du Loup and the 20th mile, and so far as the work I
advanced it is substantial and well done ; the track is laid throughout i
partially ballasted. The position of the work appears to be as follows,
connection with the subsidy : —

0 to 10 th mile.

Subsidy applicable thereto $70,460

Work remaining to be done estimated at 11,326

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$59,134

j Edgar versus Caron.

10th to 20th mile.

Subsidy applicable thereto $67,220

Work remaining to be done estimated at 16,160

51,060

Balance $110,194

Previously certified 55,946

$54,248

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant.

COLLHSTGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " JL" 95, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GIJSTAYE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 1st
October, 1887.

On a memorandum dated the 27th September, 1887, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that the Government chief engineer of
railways on the 26th September, 1887, reports that a further inspection has
been made of the Temiscouata Railway from the 1st to the 20th mile, and
that, so far as the work is finished, it is substantially and well done, the
track being laid throughout and partially ballasted.
That of the work reported as remaining
to be executed on the section from
the 1st to the 10th mile (as per
report from the Department of
Railways and Canals dated the 7th
September), there has been com-
pleted since the previous inspection

work to the value of $3,188

That the subsidy applicable to the sec-
tion from the 10th to the 20th mile

is $67,220

That on this section there remains work

to be done estimated to cost 16,160

Leaving a balance, due of. 51,060

Making the total sum now payable on

the two sections $54,248

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to
the Temiscouata Railway Company of the said sum of $54,248.

The committee advise that the required authority be granted accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.
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Exhibit "LJ" 96, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 23rd November, 1887.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I have had an inspection made by Mr. Ridout, of the Temiscouata
Railway, and he wires me from Caraquet that the grading and other items
(bridges, culverts and cattle guards) are nearly finished throughout the entire
length of the line except the heavy truss bridge over the Madawaska River,
that the track is laid on 41 miles of the road and that 18 miles have the first
lift of ballast laid on ; it will thus be seen that the work is well advanced to-
wards completion, although no 10 miles is fully completed.

The subsidy applicable to 40 miles is $240,000

The value of work remaining to be done

in these four may be stated at 85,000

$155,000

Previously certified 1 1 0,194

$44,806

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit " LJ" 97, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy\Councilr
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 28^

November, 1887.

On a memorandum dated the 25th November, 1887, from the Minister'off
Railways and Canals, representing that the Government chief engineer of
railways, under date the 23rd instant, has reported on the results of a further
inspection of the subsidized road of the Temiscouata Railway Company,
between Riviere du Loup and Edmundston, and that from this report it appears !
that the grading and .structures are nearly finished throughout the entire j
length of the road, with the exception of the bridge over the River:
Madawaska, that the track is laid for 41 miles, and that the work is well j
advanced towards completion.

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Edfl-ar versus Caron.

The Chief Engineer, however, only deals

with the work for the distance of

40 miles ; for this portion the amount

of subsidy applicable is he states $240,000

Deducting for work remaining to be

done , 85,000

The value of work done is 155,000

Of this there has already been paid 110,194

Leaving balance now payable $44,806

That the position of the company in
respect of their subsidies is as follows : —

Granted by Act of 1882 $240,000

" 1885 258,000

498,000
Being at the rate of $6,000 per mile
for a distance of 83 miles.

Total payment already made 110,194

Amount now certified 44,806

$155,000

Balance $343,000

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
sum of $44,806 to this company.

The committee advise that the required authority be granted as recom-
mended.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " L J " 98, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 10th December, 1887.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Mr. Ridout has inspected 50 miles of the Temiscouata Railway with
a' view to the payment of the subsidy. So far as the work has advanced he
states it is well and substantially done.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Riviere du Loup to 10th mile.

Subsidy applicable $70,460

Value of work remaining to be done 9,406

$61,054

10JA to 20th mile.

Subsidy applicable 67,220

Value of work remaining to be done 14,020

20th to 30th mile.

Subsidy applicable.. 62,530

Value of work remaining to be done 17,660

30th to 40th mile.

Subsidy applicable 50,585

Value of work remaining to be done 12,935

53,200

44,870

37,650

4:0th to 45th mile.

Subsidy applicable $26,985

76th to 81st subsidy applicable 26,850

53,835

40th to 4bth mile.

Value of work to be done 7,590

76th to 81st value of work to be

done 26,535

34,125

19,710

216,484
Less balance of rolling stock required to complete

first proposition for 50 miles of railway 50,300

166,184
Less amount previously certified 155,000

$11,184

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

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■^

Exhibit "U " 99, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Jkrtified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 17th
December, 1887.

On a memorandum dated 12th December, 1887,
from the Minister of Railways and Canals,
representing that under date the 10th inst.,
the Chief Engineer of Government Railways
has reported showing the results of a further
inspection made of the road of the Temis-
couata Railway Company (subsidized to the
extent of $498,000 for a distance of 83 miles)
from which report it appears that work has
been done bringing the total value up to the
sum of $216,484

From which he deducts for balance of rolling stock
required to complete full proportion for 50
miles 50,300

Leaving a balance of. $166,184

That of this amount there has already been paid... 155,000

Leaving the amount now payable $ 11,184

The minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said sum of $11,184. *

The committee advise that the requisite authority be given accordingly.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 100, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. H. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 6th February, 1888.

A.. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I have the honour to report that Mr. Ridout,
under my instructions, inspected on the 10th
January, ultimo, the Temiscouata Railway.
He represents the track to be laid over the
entire length of 80 rV miles, 18 miles being par-

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tially ballasted. The amount of subsidy
applicable on the 80 ^ miles at §6,000 is
$483,600,and the value of work remaining
to be done to complete the road according to
the subsidy contract is estimated at — for re-
placing trestles with beam culverts, masonry

culverts, truss bridge and embankments $ 42,266

To complete other works of construction 141,605

To complete equipments, rolling stock 83,100

1266,971

Balance 216,629

Previously reported 166,184

$ 50,445

Or, say, in round numbers 50,500

I have the honour to be

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER

Exhibit " LJ " 101, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. G.
Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
l approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the St
February, 1888.

On a memorandum dated 7th February, 1888, from the Minister of Kail
ways and Canals, representing that under date 6th inst. the Government Chie
Engineer of Railways reported on the result of a further inspection of th
subsidized line of the Temiscouata Railway Company between Riviere di
Loup and Edmundston, showing that the track is laid for the entire length o
the road 80T6o miles.

The Minister further represents that the
amount of the subsidy actually applicable

at the rate fixed, $6,000 per mile is $483,600

After deducting the amount required to com-
plete and equip the road 266,971

The balance remaining is $216,629

Of this amount there has already been paid $166,184

Leaving the balance now payable.... $50,445

say, $50,500.

The Minister recommends that authority be granted to pay to the Temis
couata Railway Company the sum of $50,500.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,
Clerk, Privy Council

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Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit " LJ " 102, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HA MEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Temiscouata Railway.

Ottawa, 16th April, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — In reference to the Temiscouata Railway Company's subsidy of
$96,000 granted by Parliament at its last session for the first thirty-two miles of
said railway from Edmundston, I have the honour to request that the subsidy
be increased to $100,000 to be applied and advanced in aid of the construction
of the first 20 miles, starting from Edmundston to a point opposite Fort
Kent, on the St. John's River.

I may mention that the company originally applied for a subsidy of
$5,000 per mile, that the work to be done on the first 20 miles is very heavy and
expensive, and will include an outlay of over $30,000 for an iron bridge at the
mouth of the Madawaska.

Will you please have this application submitted to the Minister for his
consideration and action ?

Your obedient servant,

a. r. Mcdonald,

President.
per John J. McDonald.

Exhibit "L J" 103, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
Temiscouata Railway.

ORIGINAL SHAREHOLDERS.

1. P. E. Grandbois, M.P.,

2. Damase Rossignol, M.D.,L.

3. Geo. Honore Deschenes, M.P.P.,

4. John J. McDonald,

5. J. Israel Tarte,

6. Charles Bertrand,

7. ¥m. McCarthy,

8. A. R. McDonald,

9. Adolphe Hamel.

PRESENT SHAREHOLDERS.

1. P. E. Grandbois, M.P.,

2. Damase Rossignol, M.D.,L.,

3. George Honore Deschenes, M.P. P.

4. John J. McDonald,

5. J. Israel Tarte,

6. Charles Bertrand,

7. Wm. McCarthy,

8. A. R. McDonald,

9. Hector Cameron,

10. Roger Ryan,

11. Levite Theriault, M.P.P.

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The Temiscouata Railway Company.

Riviere du Loup, 17th March, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — In conformity to the request contained in your letter of the 15th
inst, I am giving you a list of the original shareholders and of the present
shareholders of the Temiscouata Railway Company.

The following were the original shareholders : — P. E. Grandbois, M.P.
Damase Rossignol, M.D.,L. ; Adolphe Hamel ; Geo. Honore Deschenes, M.P.P.
John J. McDonald ; J. Israel Tarte : Charles Bertrand ; ¥m. McCarthy
Hector Cameron ; Roger Ryan ; Levite Theriault, M.P.P. ; A. R. McDonald.

a. r. Mcdonald,

President.

Exhibit "LJ" 104, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, RC.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 1st June, 1888.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — I beg to report, that the quantity of rolling stock now upon the
Temiscouata Railway is as follows, viz.: — •

Seventy-five (75) flat cars, one (1) box car, and three (3) engines, which
gives an increase of $33,000.00 in amount of rolling stock delivered since my
last report of the 6th February, 1888, the other works remaining the same as
in my previous report.

I am, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Temiscouata Railway.
Reported 1st Jane, 1888 :—

Track laid, 80Tfio miles, 18 miles being
partially ballasted, subsidy applic-
able on this 80 A miles at $6,000. . . $483,600

And the value of work remaining to be
done to complete the road accord-
ing to the subsidy contract, is estim-
ated at

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Edgar versus Caron.

For replacing trestles with beam cul-
verts, masonry culverts, truss

bridges and embankments $ 42,266

To complete other works of construction 141,605
To complete equipment, rolling stock... 50,100

233,971

Balance $249,629

Previously reported 6th February, 1888. 216,629

$ 33,000

See report this date 1st June, 1888.

Exhibit "LJ" 105, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C:

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Councily
approved by His Excellency the Administrator of the Government in
Council on the 6th June, 1888.

On a memorandum dated 2nd June, 1888, from the Minister of Railways
and Canals representing that under date the 1st June, inst., the Chief
Engineer of Government Railways has reported further in respect of the sub-
sidized line of the Temiscouata Railway Company between Riviere du Loup
and Edmundston, showing the value of certain rolling stock delivered on the
road since the date of his last report, such value being set down as $33,000,
'and that the position of the company, as to their subsidy, would accordingly
be as follows: —

Total subsidy at the rate of $6,000 per

mile (80 6-10 miles) $483,600

Amount already paid under Orders in
Council, the last dated 8th February,

1888 216,684

$266,916

Amount now payable 33,000

Balance available for work remaining to

be done $233,916

The minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to the
company of the said sum of $33,000. The committee advise that the authority
be granted.

JOHN" J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " LJ " 106, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892,

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, July 5th, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — The application of the Temiscouata Railway Company for an advance
of $21 000, having been submitted to me for report, I have the honour to
state that the amount of subsidy now in hand to complete the filling o:
trestles and other works, as well as for providing the balance of the rolling
stock is $233,971.

The company have delivered on the works two more locomotives since
the last return, making five in all, with a proportionate amount of cars, an
are vigorously prosecuting the work of filling in trestles and ballasting, au
therefore consider that the amount asked for can be safely advanced. The
account will therefore stand thus : —

Amount of subsidy $483,600

Previous payments ...$249,629

Present advance 21,000

270,629

Balance $212,971

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer Government Railways

Exhibit " LJ " 107, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 25th
July, 1888.

On a memorandum dated 12th July, 1888, from the Minister of Railways
and Canals representing that under date the 5th July, instant, the chief
engineer of Government railways has furnished a further report on the subsi
dized work of the Temiscouata Railway Company, showing that since the date!
of his last*report the company have delivered on the line two hew locomotives
and are proceeding with the work of replacing trestles by embankments,
ballasting, &c, and that the further sum of $21,000 can safely be advanced tc
them.

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Edgar versus Caron.

That the subsidy account with this company stands thus : —

Total subsidy granted $483,600

Payment already made 249,629

$233,971

Amount now payable .... 21,000

Balance $212,971

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said sum of $21,000.

The committee advise that authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ" 108, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Government Railways in Operation,

Office of the Chief Engineer.

Ottawa, 22nd August, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals.

Sir, — Acting under my instructions, Mr. Ridout has inspected and re-
ported on the Temiscouata Railway from Riviere du Loup to Edmundston, a
distance of 80*6 miles. Since the date of my last report upon the works of con-
struction the track being at that time laid throughout, the work of raising and
widening banks, filling in temporary trestles and ballasting has been pushed
vigorously. About one-half of the line has been ballasted and the track on that
portion is in very good condition.

Culverts. — A few additional beam and timber box culverts have been
built. There is a timber box culvert at the 52J-mile under a 14-feet bank,
and 45 in banks ranging from 3 to 12 feet in height, all of which are of cedar.

Truss Bridges. — Three additional truss bridges of 40 feet span have been
erected at the 42f, 60th and 75J miles.

Buildings. — A frame engine-house, machine and blacksmith shops, coal
shed and a good frame building for offices and store-house have been erected
at Riviere du Loup, also a coal shed at Edmundston. A building has likewise
been purchased at St. Jacques (73rd mile) which is to be converted into a
passenger and freight station.

Water service. — Good frost-proof tanks with pumping engines have been
completed at Riviere du Loup, St. Francis (16th mile) and at Cabona (43rd
mile) and materials are delivered for two others at the 33rd and 60th miles.

Y's have been built at Riviere du Loup, and at the 44th and 78th miles.

Sidings. — Ample siding accommodation has been laid at Riviere du Loup
and also eleven other sidings at various points on the line, some of which are
not fully completed.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1891

Work has been commenced on the foundations for the large bridge J
Madawaska at the 78J mile.

Boiling stock. — The rolling stock now on the line is as follows : — 5 locJ
motives, 1 second class passenger car, 55 platforms cars, 30 ballast dumpers, I
box car.

One first class passenger car and one baggage, mail and express car hi
been delivered at Chaudiere Junction for this road.

I attach hereto a statement in detail of Mr. Bidout's estimate of trj
amount required to complete the road.

The following is a statement of the subsidy account : — •

Total subsidy 80 miles at $6,000 $483,600

Less to complete (as per statement) 151,452

Proportionate value of work done $332,148

Previously paid 270,684

Balance $ 61,464

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

COLLIJSTGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer Government Railways.

Per J. J.

TEMISCOUATA KAIL WAY.

ESTIMATE TO COMPLETE.

Clearing $ 125

Fencing 15,000

Earthwork 9,600

Stonefilling in cribs 113

Farm crossings •. 608

Madawaska bridge, piling 2680 L. feet @ 25c 670

Concrete, 50 cubic yards @ $5 250

Bridge masonry, 600 cubic yards @ $15 9,000

2 Howe truss spans of 100 feet each 8,000

Completion of sidings, say 1,000

Ballasting, 75,000 cubic yards @ 24c 18,000

Replacing one cedar box culvert in 14 feet

bank with masonry 420

Replacing cedar box culvert in banks from 3
to 12 feet high with open beam culverts

or iron pipes, say 4,000

To replace present trestles with beam cul-
verts, masonry culverts, truss bridges
and embankments, in accordance with
statement No. 2 attached to my report
of 30th January, 1888 42,266

Less 2,500 cubic yards earth filling at trestle

at 5th mile 500

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$ 66,

41,73

Edgar versus Caron.

To complete station buildings, water service,

passenger and freight buildings 8,000

Water tanks 1,900

Engine-house at Edmundston 2,000

Coal shed 500

2 turntables 2,500

To complete rolling stock, 2 1st class pas-
senger cars @ $4,500 9,000

3 second passenger cars @ $3,000 9,000

1 baggage mail and express 2,500

3 platform cars to be converted into box cars 3,900

2 snow ploughs @ $1,200 2,400

2 flanges @ $600 1,200

14,900

28,000
$151,452

Exhibit " LJ " 109, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAJV1EL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the bth
September, 1888.

On a memorandum dated 28th August, 1888, from the Minister of Rail-
ways and Canals, representing that, under date the 22nd August, the chief
engineer of Government railways has reported on the results of a further
inspection made of the subsidized line of the Temiscouata Railway Company,
from Riviere du Loup to Edmundston, such report showing that work has been
pushed forward vigorously since his last report, and embraces the raising and
widening of banks, the filling-in of temporary trestles, ballasting, bridges,
buildings, water service, sidings and rolling stock, the track having already
been laid throughout.

The Minister further represents that the position of the company with
regard to their subsidy is according to this report as follows : —

Total subsidy 80*6 miles at $6,000 $483,600

Less to complete as per statement furnished 151,452

Proportionate value of work done $332,148

Of this, the books of the accountant of the depart-
ment shew that there has already been paid.. 270,684

Leaving the balance now payable $61,464

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment to the
company of the said sum of $61,464.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1895

Exhibit " LJ " 110, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Government Railways in Operation.

Office of the Chief Engineer,

Ottawa, 17th September, 1888.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — I have the honour to inform you that since the date of my last
report (22nd August), the following additional rolling stock has been delivered
on the Temiscouata Railway for the use of that road : —

One first class passenger car, value $4,500

One second class passenger car, value 3,000

One baggage car, value 2,500

Total value. $10,000

The following is a statement of the subsidy amount : —

Total subsidy, 80 miles at $6,000 $483,600

Less to complete as per statement of

22nd August $151,452

Less rolling stock as above 10,000

$141,452

Proportionate value of work done $342,148

Previously reported... 332,148

Balance $10,000

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer of Government Railways.

Exhibit " LJ " 111, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council*
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 25th
S< jdember, 1858.

On a memorandum dated 21st September, 1888; from the Minister of.
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 17th September, inst.,.j
the Chief Engineer of Government Railways has reported further on the sub-
M<liz<<l works of the Temiscouata Railway showing that additional stock has !

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been delivered to the value of $10,000, the position of the company in respect
of their subsidy being now as follows :

Total subsidy, 80 miles, at $6,000 $483,600

Less to complete $151,452

Less rolling stock now reported 10,000 141,452

Proportionate value of work done 342,148

Of this the books of the accountant

show that there has already been

paid 332,148

Leaving balance now payable 10,000

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of
the said sum of $10,000.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit " LJ " 112, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 12th November, 1888.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Sec'y Dept. Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — The Temiscouata Railway Company having made application for
a further inspection of the road in subsidy account, Mr. Ridout, under my in-
structions, made an inspection on the 3rd instant.

He found the following work remaining to be done to comply with the
requirements of the contract under the Subsidy Act : —

Clearing $ 125

Fencing, 5,700 5,700

Earthwork , 1,920

Stone-filling in cribs 75

Farm crossings. 240

Madawaska Bridge 4,625

Ballasting .. 3,600

Sidings 400

Replace wooden box culverts with masonry 420

" 45 wooden box culverts with beam cul-
verts f 4,500

Replace wooden trestles with beam culverts,

masonry culverts, truss bridges and earthwork 41,766

To complete buildings and water services 5,800

" rolling stock 13,275

• Total to complete 82,446

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Subsidy applicable 80*6 miles at $6,000 483,600

Less work remaining to be done 82,446

$401,154
Previously reported 342, 148

Balance $59,006

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER,

Chief Engineer of Government Railways.

Exhibit " LJ" 113, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 23rd
November,"l888.

On a memorandum dated 22nd November, 1888, from the Minister ot
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 12th November, instant,
the chief engineer of Government railways has reported on the results of a
further inspection made on the subsidized line of the Temiscouata Railway
showing the following as the position of the company in respect of the
subsidy : —

Total subsidy applicable, 80 miles at $6,000 $483,600

Less work remaining to be done 82,446

$401,154
That of this sum the books of the accountant of
this department show that there has already
been paid on reports of the chief engineer and
Orders in Council 342,148

Leaving the balance $59,006

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said balance, $59,006.

The committee advise that authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

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Edcrar versus Caron.

Exhibit "LJ" 114, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2>lst

December, 1888.

On a memorandum dated 29th December, 1888, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, submitting that by the Act 51 Vic, chap. 3, the grant
of the following subsidy was authorized : —

" To the Temiscouata Railway Company for 20 miles of their branch
railway from Edmundston towards the St. Francis River, in the
province of Quebec, in lieu of the subsidy granted by 50-51 Vie, chap. 24,
a subsidy of $100,000."

The Minister represents that under date the 28th December, instant, the
company made application to be admitted to contract for this subsidy, and
under date the 29th December, instant, the chief engineer of Government
railways reported on their application and has furnished a draft of specification
and contract suitable to the case, whereby the maximum grade is set down as
70 feet to the mile, except at the junction, where there are two short grades
of 80 feet to the mile, the sharpest curvature being of 818 feet radius or 7
degrees.

The Minister recommends that the description, conditions and specifica-
tions, fixing the grades and curvature as above, be approved, and that he be
authorized to sign the draft of contract hereto attached, the work to be
completed by the 1st of August, 1892.

The Minister further represents that the chief engineer of Government
railways at the same time reported on plans and profiles of the said 20 miles
of railway to the effect that the location shown by a red line on the plan, and
the grade shown by a red line on the profiles may be approved, except where
modifications are shown by a blue grade line, which should be approved
instead. He, the Minister, recommends that such plans and profiles, in so far
as they show the location, be approved in accordance with the suggestion of
the chief engineer.

The committee submit the above recommendations for Your Excellency's
approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single ^rack line, with gauge four feet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradient and curvature shall be the best the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed
seventy feet to the mile, except at the junction where two short grades of
eighty feet to the mile occur, and the minimum curvature not to be of less
radius than 1,818 feet or 70°.

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4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. The railway must be inclosed with substantially built legal fences, of
wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to accommodate the
farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be not less than twenty
(20) feet, embankments not less than fifteen (15) feet, when settled into place.

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under-
drains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges
must be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve
feet in height must be of well built strong second class masonry, or iron, made
of durable and suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character, and
equal in every essential particular to the best description of like work employed
in similar railway work in the Dominion.

11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet in
height may be of cedar wood not less than ten inches by ten inches, except
the track stringers which may be of sound pine, white oak, tamarac or spruce
timber, not less than twelve inches by fourteen inches. The span shall not
exceed fourteen feet, and they shall be constructed on a plan approved by the
Minister of Railways and Canals. Superstructure of truss bridges may be oi
sound white pine or Georgia pitch pine wood, or if the trusses are covered i
from the weather and shingled, in such case, straight-grained spruce timbei
may be used.

12th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (56
pounds per lineal yard, of approved section, and with the most approved fish
plate.

13th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or othe:
suitable material. The sleepers to be eight inches face by six inches thick an"
eight feet long, 2,600 to the mile.

14th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y'i
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet th<
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

15th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduc
promptly and efficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be providec
by the company, of which the Minister of Railways and Canals shall be th
judge.

• 16th. Wooden box culverts will *iot be permitted under any circu
stances, and trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon the writte
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. The timber of which the
are to be constructed must also be approved by the Minister.

This Contract and Agreement made the day of

in the year one thousand eight hundred and

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Between Her Majesty The Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion of
Canada, and herein represented by the Honourable John Henry Pope,
Minister of Railways and Canals, of the first part, and the Temiscouata Rail-
way Company of the second part.

WITNESSETH, that whereas it is. in and by an Act passed in the session of
the Parliament of Canada, held in the fifty-first year of Her Majesty's reign,
chaptered three, and intituled, "An Act to authorize the granting of subsidies
in aid of the construction of the line's of railway therein mentioned," amongst
other things in effect enacted " That the Governor in Council may grant :

To the Temiscouata Railway Company for 20 miles of their branch
railway from Edmundston towards the St. Francis river, in the province of
Quebec, in lieu of the subsidy granted by 50 and 51 Vic, chap. 24, a subsidy
of $100,000, one hundred thousand dollars, the said railway to be commenced
within two years from the first day of August, A. D., 1888, and completed
within a reasonable time, not to exceed four years, to be fixed by Order in
Council, and to be constructed according to descriptions and specifications and
upon conditions to be approved by the Governor in Council on the report of
the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in an agreement to be
made by the company with the Government, and which the Government is
thereby empowered to make ; the location of such line of railway to be sub-
ject to the approval .of the Governor in Council ; the said subsidy to be payable
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada by instalments on the
completion, to the satisfaction of the Minister of Railways and Canals, of each
section of the railway of not less than ten miles proportionate to the value of
the portion so completed, in comparison with that of the whole work under-
taken, to be established by the report of the said Minister, or upon comjDletion
of the work subsidized.

And Whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descrip-
tions, conditions and specifications hereto annexed marked "A," as the
descriptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the said
railway.

Now this Agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said subsidy
to be paid in the manner aforesaid, " The Temiscouata Railway Company "
covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors in
manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make, build,
construct and complete aline of railway from Edmundston towards St. Francis
River, a distance of 20 miles, the points and approximate route and course being
shown on the map filed in the Department of Railways and Canals, and all
midges, culverts and works appurtenant thereto, and Avill build, construct and
complete the said line of railway, bridges and culverts, and perform all
engineering services, whether in the field or in preparing plans or doing other'
office works, to the entire satisfaction of the Governor in Council.

2. That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line of
railway on as straight a course as practicable, between the points above
mentioned, with only such deviations as may seem absolutely indispensable to
avoid serious engineering obstacles, and as shall be allowed by the Governor
in Council.

3. That the gradients and alignments shall be the best that the physical
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specifica-
tions hereto annexed, marked "A."

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4. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and hills of I
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that "before the I
work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills of |
quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any pay-
ments are made, the company will furnish such further returns as may be
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative value
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in this
agreement within one year from the date hereof, and shall complete the same,
to wit; — by the 1st August, 1892, time being declared to be material and of
the essence of this contract, and in default of such completion as aforesaid,
on or before the said date or dates, the company shall forfeit all right, claim or
demand to any and every part of the subsidy remaining unpaid, as also to
any moneys whatever which may be at the time of the failure of the com-
pletion as aforesaid due and owing to the company.

6. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said
line of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the
same and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working and
running order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company will build, construct and complete the said line of
railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the
specification hereto annexed, marked '-' A " ; and upon a line of location to be
approved of by the Governor in Council.

8. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto, be
the property of the company.

In "Witness Whereof, " The Temiscouata Railway Company " have
caused their corporate seal to be affixed hereto, and these presents to be
signed by the President and by the Secretary of the said company, and the
said Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused
the same to be sealed and countersigned by the Secretary of the Department
of Railways and Canals.
Signed by the President and by the Secretary^

of the said company, the corporate seal of !

the company having been hereto affixed, in |

the presence of J

Signed and sealed by the Minister and by the }

Secretary of the Department of Railways V

and Canals, in the presence of J

Minister of Railways and Canals*

Secretary.

Exhibit "LJ" 115, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST AVE HA MEL,

Clerk, R. C.
Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 16th January, 1889.
A. P, Bradley, Esq.,

Sir, — Mr. Ridout on the 5th inst. inspected the Temiscouata, Railway and
he found the following work to be done to complete the contract: —

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Clearing .\ $ 120

Fencing 5,700

Earthwork 1,920

ay- *Farm crossings 240

Madawaska bridge 1,000

Ballasting 1,200

Replacing a cedar box culvert with

masonry 420

Replacing 45 cedar boxes with beam

culverts 4,500

Readjusting line at 56th mile 7,040

or Replace trestle bridge with beam cul-

to verts, masonry culverts, truss bridge

and embankments 41,766

To complete station buildings 900

do rolling stock 5,880

$70,686

Subsidy applicable $483,600

Less cost to complete, say 70,70J

$412,900

The $412,900 is subject to a deduction of amounts previously paid which
can readily be given by the accountant of the department.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 116, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 22nd
January, 1889.

On a memorandum dated 18th January, 1 889,
from the Minister of Railways and Canals,
representing that under date the 16th
January inst., the chief engineer of Gov-
ernment railways reported on the results
of a further inspection made of the sub-
sidized line of the Temiscouata Railway,
from which it appears that the total sub-
sidy applicable is $ 483,600 00

From which, deducting the amount re-
quired to complete the work in accord-
ance with the company's contract 70,700 00

The balance is $ 412,900 00

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Of this amount the hooks of- the Dept.
showed that there has already heen
paid 401,154 00

Leaving the balance $ 11,746 00

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
said balance $11,746 00.

The committee advise that authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 117, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST A YE IIAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 15th December, 1890.

A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir,— Mr. Ridout, on the 12th instant, inspected the first twenty miles oi
the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway in regard to subsidy.
From the information given by him, it appears the location approved by Order
in Council on the 31st December, 1888, has been very materially departed
from, and nine grades in excess of the maximum of 70 feet per mile have been
introduced, rising from 74 to 79 feet per mile. On the other hand, there are
two grades at the Junction, which, under the approval on 31st December, 1888,
were admissibly as steep as 80 feet per mile— one of these has been reduced to
65 feet per mile. There really appears to be no sufficient reason for exceeding
the maximum of 70 feet per mile in the nine cases referred to.

On this twenty miles, authority has been given by the Minister for the
introduction of five wooden trestle bridges of an aggregate length of 770 feet;
there are, however, ten additional wooden trestle bridges of an aggregate
length of 1002 feet, which have been introduced without any authority hav-
ing been asked or given ; these structures are well and substantially built of
white pine timber.

There are four (4) stone drains, a class of construction which in my
opinion is very objectionable and should not be permitted.

At two points, viz. : stations 258 and 710, truss bridges are being built on
wooden pile abutments instead of massive masonry as called for by the con-
tract.

One lift of ballast has been built on.

At Clare Station, a two-stall engine house is in course of erection. The
work of their several classes as far as they have advanced are good and sub-
stantial.

The position of the subsidy may be stated as follows,* viz. :

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Subsidy applicable under 51 Vic. cap. 3.. $100 000

Deduct estimated value of work remaining to
be done, to complete according to con-
tract :

Fencing $ 5,000

Public road crossings 800

Farm road crossings 500

Earthworks 2,160

Rip rap 3,000

Cedar cribwork 600

Stone filling 800

Howe truss bridges at 258 and 710 500

Ballasting 3,750

Reducing trestles at 580,694 & 891 to 14 ft.

Beam culverts 750

Masonry abutments at 258 and 710 5.200

Filling in trestles at 710 240

Replacing trestle at 1049 with 40 feet...

Howe Truss bridge 5,360

Replacing trestles at 550, 643, 775, 901

and 920 with truss bridges 22,700

51,480

Subsidy represented by work done 48,520

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit <; LJ " 118, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk; R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the bth
December: 1890.

On a Memorandum, dated 4th December, 1890, from the Minister of
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 1st December, inst.,
he chief engineer of Government railways has furnished a report on the
esults of an inspection made of the 20 miles of the St. Francis branch of the
Lemiscouata Railway, subsidized by the Act 51 Vic, chap. 3, to the extent of
5100,000 ; such report showing that work to the value of $51,480 remains to
>e done to complete the road according to contract, leaving the balance
548,520.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of the
aid sum of $48,520.

The committee advised that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE.

Clerk, Privy Council.

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Exhibit "LJ*5 119, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 13th January, 1891.

A. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — The position of the work on the St. Francis branch of the Tern
couata Railway in regard to subsidy is as follows : —

Subsidy applicable to 20 miles $100,000

Less value of work remaining to be done to com-
plete according to contract amendments
thereto by O. C. : —

Fencing. $5,000

Public road crossings 800

Farm road crossings 500

Earthwork 2,160

Rip-rap 3,000

Cedar crib work 600

Stone filling , 800

Jock stringers for trestles at 1 1 8 and 357. 120

Howe truss bridges at 258 and 710 500

Ballasting 3,750 17,230

Subsidy represented by work done $82,770

If a payment is to be tnade the previous payments should be deducted.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLING WOO I) SCIJREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 120, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Certified Cop? of a Report of a- Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counc
approved by His Excellency the Governor General dn Council on the 16
January, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 14th January, 1891, from the Minister of Ra
ways and Canals, representing that under date the 13th January, instant, t
r:hief engineer of Government railways reported on the resalts of a furth
inspection made of the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway, sub
dized by the Act 51 Vic, chap. 3, to the extent of $100,000 for the first
miles from Edmundston.

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Edgar versus Caron.

That from this report it appears that the company are entitled to receive
subsidy as follows : —

Total subsidy $100,000

Less value of work remaining to be executed 1 7,230

$82^770
Of this sum there has already been paid 48,520

Leaving balance payable $34,250

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment of
this sum of $34,250.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LI " 121, for the C:own ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R C.

Temiscouata Railway Company,

Riviere du Loup, 21st May, 1891.

To the Right Honourable

The Minister of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Dear Sir, — The Parliament of Canada, by the Act 53 Victoria, chap. 2,
granted to the Temiscouata Railway Company a subsidy not exceeding $3,200
per mile, nor exceeding in the whole $51,200 for 16 miles of their railway,
from the west end of the twenty miles of their branch railway from Edmunds-
ton, which twenty miles, by the Act 51 Vic, chap. 3, had been subsidized to
the amount of $5,000 per mile, and are now completed and in operation.

The company are now prepared and anxious to proceed with the exten-
sion of their branch towTards the St. Francis River, but find that it will not be
necessary for the requirements of the lumber trade and other business of that
portion of the country at present, to extend their line to a greater distance
than 12 miles beyond the twenty miles already built, as, at that point, being
on the property of Mr. Connors, there are the best facilities for the erection
of saw mills and the booming of logs, and that point is also the most favour-
able one for the erection of a bridge across the St. John River to connect with
the State of Maine, and to serve the business interests of that portion of
Northern Maine.

The company find that the cost of construction of these 12 miles will be
so great that with the present subsidy they will be unable to carry out the
work satisfactorily and in a manner to meet the requirements of the Govern-
ment and adequately to serve the trade of the country.

I have, therefore, the honour to request that you will be pleased to sub-
mit for the consideration of the Governor General in Council, and for the

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granting by Parliament, this application for the conversion of the subsidy oi
§3,200 per mile, already granted for 16 miles into the subsidy of $5,000 per;;
mile for 12 miles as above described.

I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,

john j. Mcdonald,

President Temiscouata Railway Company.

Exhibit "LJ " 122, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
Canadian Government Railways.
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 13th Aug., 1891.
A. P. Bradley,

Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

Sir, — Mr. McLeod, on the 14th July, ultimo, inspected the first 20 miles o:
the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway in regard to subsidy. 11
appears that the plan and profile of amended location have not yet been ap
proved by the Governor in Council, although they have been pronounced as
satisfactory. The road, Mr. McLeod informs me, is substantially built as far a:
it has reached towards completion, and that as regards the subsidy th
position is as follows : —

Subsidy applicable to 20 miles. .\. $ 100,00(

Less estimated value of miles to complete fencing.. $ 25

Public road crossings 10

Farm crossin gs 100

Four culverts 200

Ballasting, 14,000 yds 3,500

3,83

f 96,161

If payment is to be made, the amount of previous payments should b

deducted.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant.

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit u LJ" 123, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Certified Copy of a Report oj a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2m
October, 1891.

On a memorandum dated the 29th September, 1891, from the Acti
Minister of Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 13th
August, 1891, the chief engineer of Government railways reported on afurthe

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inspection of the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway subsidized
for the first 20 miles by the Act 5L Vic, chap. 3, (1888) to the extent of
$100,000, showing the position to be as follows (certain deviations from the
Driginal location having been accepted by an Order in Council, dated the 21st
September instant) : —

Subsidy applicable $100,000

Deducted to complete work 3,833

$ 96,165
That of this amount authority has already been

given for the payment of 82,770

Leaving balance now payable $ 13,395

The Minister recommends that authority be given for payment accord-
ingly.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk of the Privy Council,

Exhibit " LJ " 124, for the Crown, filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Be St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Bailway.

Ottawa, 9th October, 1891.
The Honourable Mackenzie Bowell,

Acting Minister of Railways and Canals.

Sir, — As the Temiscouata Railway Company are about entering into a
contract with the Government for the construction of the twelve miles of the
said branch terminating at Connors Station, for which a subsidy of $3,200
per mile has been granted by Parliament, and as the company claim under a
promise made by the late deceased Minister of Railways and Canals to be
entitled to the full subsidy of $5,000 per mile (as was given to the first
twenty miles of said branch). a

The company, before executing the contract, desire it to be understood
that they will at a future time claim the additional subsidy of $1,800 per mile,
and that the execution of the contract by the company will in no way preju-
dice its rights and claims to such additional subsidy.

Your obedient servant,

john j. Mcdonald, '

President.

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Exhibit "LJ" 125, for the Crown, filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
Canadian Government Railways.
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 9th November, 1891.
A. P. Bradley,

Secretary, Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.
Sir, — Mr. Ridout, on the 19th ultimo, inspected the first 20-mile section
of the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway in regard to subsidy,
and he found the road completed according to contract with the following
exceptions, viz. : Four stone drains have been built at stations 22, 101, 147
and 183, which should have been either cedar culverts or masonry culverts.

Subsidy applicable to 20 miles $100,000

Less replacing 4 stone drains with regular culverts 200

Subsidy represented by work done $ 99,800

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

P.S. If payment is to be made, the amount of previous payments should
first be deducted.

Exhibit "LJ" 126, for the Crown; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
Canadian Government Railways,
Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 9th November, 1891.
A. P. Bradley, Esq.,

Secretary Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.
Sir, — Mr. Ridout, on the 19th ultimo, inspected the section of the St.
Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway on subsidy account from the 20th
to the 31| mile in regard to subsidy, and he found the road completed
according to contract, with the exception of 800 feet of fencing in front of
Mr. Connor's residence, he having asked that it be not final. As this is a
station, it is of no material importance ; however, I have deducted its value as
by contract it is required to be final : —

Subsidy applicable to 11} miles $37,600

Less fence to be erected (800 feet) 50

Subsidy represented by work done $37,550

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,
COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

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Exhibit ULJ" 127, for the Crown; iiled 21et September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAxMEL,

Clerk, R. C

Canadian Government Railways,

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager.

Ottawa, 4th December, 1891.

0 the Secretary, Department Railways and Canals,
Ottawa.

Sir, — On the 9th November, ultimo, I reported on the section of the St.
rancis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway on subsidy account, from, the
Oth to the 31 J miles, which report showed a small length of fencing remained
) be erected. I now have to report that Mr. Ridout has again visited the
ork and finds this piece of fencing completed, which entitles the company to
iceive the first amount of subsidy applicable to this section of railway, viz.: —
llf miles at $3,200 per mile $37,600

If any previous payments have been made on this section, the amount
lould be deducted before making further payment.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

Exhibit "LJ" 128, for the Crown, filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL.

Clerk, R. C.

Canadian Government Railways.

Office of the Chief Engineer and General Manager,

Ottawa, 4th December, 1891.
o the Secretary,

Department Railways and Canals, Ottawa.

My Dear Sir, — On the 9th November, ultimo, I reported on the first 20-
lile section of the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouata Railway, when I
tated that there were 4 stone drains which should be replaced by culverts,
ince which I have had a re-examination of these points and from the informa-
on obtained I am satisfied that in three of the cases the drainage is sufii-
oi lient, as they are laid in merely to draw off small openings ; in the fourth case,
side ditch has been dug to carry off the water and the stone drain abolished,
rhich meets the requirements. I have, therefore, to report this section com-
leted according to contract and the company have therefore earned the sub-
•dy applicable thereto,

20 miles at $5,000 per mile $100,000

In making payment, all former payments in this section should first be de-
ucted.

I have the honour to be your obedient servant,

COLLINGWOOD SCHREIBER.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

Exhibit "LJ " 129, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci

■ approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on theldt

December, 1891.

On a memorandum dated 15th December, 1891, from the Actin
Minister of Eailways and Canals, representing that two reports have bee
made by the chief engineer of Government railways, dated the 4th Decembe:
1891, with respect to the works of the St. Francis Branch of the Temiscouat
Eailway, subsidized for the first 20 miles by the Act 51 .Vic, chap. 3, (1888
to the extent (bulk sum) of $1( 0,000, as to which a contract was made wit
the company on the 22nd of January, 1889, and for a further distance of 1
miles by the Act 53 Vic, chap. 2 (1890), to an extent not exceeding $3,20
a mile, the contract for which, covering a distance of 12 miles, betwee!
Clair's siding and Connor's station, was signed on the 20th of October, 189

The minister further states that from the said reports, and from tt
books of the accountant of the Department of Eailways and Canals, it appea]
that the works have been duly completed, and that the company are ei
titled to their subsidy as follows : —

For the 1st 20-mile section $100,000

Less amounts, payment of which has already been

authorized 96,165

$3,8o5
For llf miles further at $3,200 a mile, for which
nothing has so far been paid from their sub-
sidy $37,600

$41,435
The Minister recommends that authority be given for the payment
the said sum of $41,435.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHIST J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Exhibit "LJ" 130, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counc
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 9
November, 1889.

On a memorandum dated 31st October, 1889, from the Minister of Ea:
ways and Canals, representing that under date the 26th and 28th October, tl
chief engineer of Government railways reported on the subject of a certa
trestle bridge constructed on the subsidized line of the Temiscouata Eailw;
and from the said reports it appears that the total number of such trestles
51, of which, in the case of 16, the company are converting them into twel
foot beam culverts, leaving the remainder 35 as built, and that in the case

Edgar versus CaroD.

seven of these, namely, at the following points: — Miles H, .">, 6. 1 7 A , 21J and
35, the late Minister had proposed to advise approval of their introduction
leaving the balance of 28 for further consideration ; of these, some have since
been reduced in length. In the opinion of the chief engineer, the structures ae
built are fully equal in durability and utility to the truss bridges of the
company, the abutments and piers of which, under their contract, are allowed
(with two exceptions) to be of white cedar, not less than 12 by 12 inches, and
he further considers them as more suitable for replacement by permanent
masonry abutments and piers at a future date.

The Minister observes that the contract with this company, dated the
21st of June, 18»6, as approved by an Order in Council of the 5th of April,
previous, did not contain the provision inserted in later contracts for the accept-
ance of trestle work at the option of the Minister of Railways and Canals,
and the Minister, in view of the above expressed opinion of the chief engineer,
accordingly recommends that authority be given for the acceptance of the
trestle bridging at the points indicated in the lists following, furnished with
remarks by the chief engineer of railways and the specification attached to
the company's contract of the 21st of June, 1886, being amended to this
extent.

Mile and Original Dimensions.

Remarks.

v, mile trestle was 242 feet long x 20 feet high.
b •' 200 " xl8 . "

135

x42

17',

x 30

20|

530

\ 52

2lj

120

x30

xl8

x 9

x 8

x 22

160

x 29

150

x 28

x24

401

108

xl2

43|

156

xl8

x20

468

x 22

330

x20

562^

300

x!5

360

x20

100

x 10

63|

x 9

65^

100

xl8

66±

132

x21

66f

x 12

x 16

73i

x 12

73^

x 0

75£

460

xl8

xll

xl2

77i

x 15

7S^

x 15

150

x 15

Approaches to R. du L. Bridge.

Reduced to 150 with 2 spans of 30 each to pass road

and stream.
Reduced 2 spans of 12 feet each.
To pass mill stream and flume.
Across a large ravine.
jTo pass public road and stream.
To pass 2 farm crossings and a stream.
This remains the same.

Reduced to 80 x 18. •
24 x 20.
324 x 22.
Location should have been further from the Lake : it
would cost a considerable sum now to make the
change.
Track should be on solid ground.
40 feet truss built leaving 60 feet trestle.
Reduced to 24 x !t.
36 x 18.
60 x 21.
" 24 x 12.
This remains the same.
Reduced to 24 x 12.
24 x 0.
36 x <X
Reduced to truss of 42 feet and trestle 48.
Reduced to 24 x 14.
36 x 12.
12 x 15.
" 12 x 15.
This remains the same.

The committee submit the above recommendation for Your Excellency's
approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk. Privy Council.
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A.
TEMISCOUATA RAILWAY.

SPECIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line, with gauge four feet eight
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradient and curvature shall be the best the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed
seventy-nine feet to the mile, and the minimum curvature not to be of less
radius than 818 feet.

3rd. Tn all wooded sections the land must be cleared to the width of not
less than fifty feet on each side of the centre line ; all brush and logs must be
completely burnt, and none thrown on the adjacent land.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than two feet in height.

8th. Through settlements the railway must be inclosed with substantially
built legal fences, of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to
accommodate the farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be in rock cuts,
eighteen (18) feet, and in earth twenty (20) feet, embankments sixteen (16)
feet,

9th. Efficient drainage must be provided by open ditches and under-
d rains.

10th. All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size
and strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges
over Riviere du Loup and Madawaska at Edmundston must be of massive
masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve feet in height must be of
well built, strong second class masonry, or iron, made of durable and suitable
materials, thoroughly permanent in character and equal in every essential
particular to the best description of like work employed in similar railway
work in the Dominion. Other truss bridges, abutments and piers as well as
open culverts under embankments less than twelve feet in height may be of
good sound white cedar of not less dimensions than 12x12. Superstructure
of truss bridges may be of wood.

11th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (">6)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved section, and with the most approved fish-
plate.

12th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be eight inches face by six inches thick and
eight feet long, 2,600 to the mile.

13th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the'company.

14th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and efficiently the tratiic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company.

a. r, Mcdonald,

Presiden t.
434

Edgar versus Caron.

Articles of Agreement made and entered into this twenty-first day of
&e, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six.

Between '* The Temiscouata Railway Company," of the first part, and
for Majesty Queen Victoria, represented herein by the Minister of Railways
id Canals, of the second part.

"Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session of
ie Parliament of Canada held in the forty-fifth year of Her Majesty's reign,
laptered 14, and intituled, " An Act to provide for the granting of subsidies
ir the construction of certain lines of railways therein mentioned," amongst
;;her things in effect enacted that " it shall be lawful for the Governor in
jouncil to grant towards the construction of a railway from a point on the
iitercolonial Railway at Riviere Ouelle, in the province of Quebec, or between
jiem, to Edmundston, in the province of New Brunswick, a subsidy not
tceeding three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, nor exceeding in the
| hole two hundred and forty thousand dollars, the said subsidy to be granted
> such company as shall be approved by the Governor in Council as having
jtablished to his satisfaction their ability to complete the said railway, to be
Jxed by Order in Council, and according to descriptions and specifications to
'e approved by the Governor in Council on the report of the Minister of
;ailways and Canals, and specified in an agreement to be made by the corn-
any with the Government ; such subsidy to be payable out of the Consoli-
|ated Revenue Fund of Canada by instalments ; on the completion of each ten
jiiles of railway, proportionate to the value of the portion so completed in
omparison with the whole work undertaken, to be established by the report
|f the said Minister."

Provided always, that the granting of such subsidy shall be subject to
|ich conditions for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements, and
ither rights, as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to
^11 railways connecting with that so subsidized, as the Governor in Council
|iay determine.

And whereas by another Act passed in the forty-eighth and forty-ninth
iear of Her Majesty's reign, chapter fifty-eight, it was made lawful for the
jrovernor in Council to grant for a railway from a point on the Intercolonial
fcailway at Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle, in the province of Quebec, to
ildmundston, in the province of New Brunswick, a subsidy not exceeding two
jiousand eight hundred dollars per mile for seventy-five miles, and six
nousand dollars per mile for eight miles, nor exceeding in the whole two
unclred and fifty-eight thousand dollars ; the said subsidy to be in addition
I) the subsidy authorized, a subsidy not exceeding in the whole four hundred
nd ninety-eight thousand dollars, and to be granted for the said railway upon
■ie terms and conditions specified in the said Act, and payable out of the
'O-nsolidated Revenue Fund of Canada, and for the purpose of incorporating
tie persons undertaking the construction of the said railway and those who
mil be associated with them in the undertaking, the Governor may grant to
hem, under such corporate name as he shall deem expedient, a charter con-
erring upon them the franchises, privileges and powers requisite for the said
urposes, which shall be similar to such of the franchises, privileges and powers
ranted to railway companies during the present session (1885), as the Gover-
ior shall deem most useful or appropriate to the said undertaking ; and su ch
barter, being published in the Canada Gazette, with any Order or Orders in
t'Ouncil relating to it, shall have force and effect as if it were an Act of the
parliament of Canada. And whereas the Temiscouata Railway Company has

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189

been duly incorporated under the provisions of the Act last hereinbefcj
mentioned by an Order in Council of the 6th day of October, A.D. IStf
published in the Canada Gazette of the 10th October, 1885, and has bej
organized in accordance with the charter so granted.

And whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the descri;,
tions and specifications hereto annexed, marked " A," as the descriptions aiil
specifications for the construction of the railway from a point on the InterJ
lonial Railway at Riviere du Loup, in the province of Quebec, to Edmundstc,
in the province of New Brunswick.

Now this Agreement wit xesseth, that in consideration of the said subail
to be paid in the manner aforesaid, the Temiscouata Railway Company coJ
nants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her heirs and successors, in liianJ
following, that is to say : —

1. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make, buil
construct and complete a line of railway from a point on the Intercolonl
Railway at Riviere du Loup, in the province of Quebec, to a point at Edmurl
ston, in the province of New Brunswick, and all bridges, culverts and worl
appurtenant thereto, and will build, construct and complete the said linel
railways, bridges, culverts and all engineering services, whether in the fie|
or in preparing plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction!
the Governor in Council.

That the company shall and will locate and construct the said line of ni
way between the points above mentioned on such a course as will meet li
approval of the Governor in Council, And the company further shall causi
survey to be made for a line running to the south-west of the line of the G|j
ernment survey already made west of Lake Temiscouata and between sul
Government surveyed line on the River St., Francis ; And that, before ccU
mencing the construction of this or any other portions of their line, the col
pany will submit plans of their location and obtain the approval thereof frJI
the Governor in Council.

3. That the gradients and alignment shall be the best that the physiU
features of the country will admit of in conformity with the aforesaid specS
cation hereto annexed marked "A."

4. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills!
quantities of the whole line of railway in ten-mile sections, and that befje
the work is commenced on any ten-mile section, such profiles, plans and b»
of quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before m
payments are made, the company will furnish such further returns as mayH
required to satisfy the Minister of Railways and Canals as to the relative va»i
of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said company shall commence the works embraced in tjl
agreement within three months and shall complete the same on or before U
first day of August, A.D. eighteen hundred and eighty-nine, time bell
declared to be material and of the essence of this contract, and in default!
such completion as aforesaid, on or before the said date, the company sip
forfeit all right, claim or demand to any and every part of the subsidy rermp-
ing unpaid, as also to any moneys whatever, which may be at the time of ft
failure of the completion as aforesaid due and owing to the company.

(I. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said fte
of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the s»e
and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working and r
ning order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

436

Ivlg-ar versus Caron.

7. That the company will build, construct and complete the said line of
I lilwav and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the

as & Decification hereto annexed, marked "A" ; and upon a line of location to be
pproved of by the Governor in Council.

8. That the granting of the said subsidy shall be subject to such condi-
ons for securing such running powers or traffic arrangements and other
ights as will afford all reasonable facilities and equal mileage rates to all rail-
:ays connecting with the said line of railway so subsidized as the Governor in
louncil may determine.

9. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto, to-
ether with all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and real of
very character, shall upon completion of the said line of railway and works
ppertainingi thereto, be the property of the company.

In witness whereof, "The Temiscouata Railway Company" have caused
heir corporate seal to be affixed hereto and these presents to be signed by the
(resident and by the secretary of the said company, and the Minister of Rail-
rays and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused the same to be
ealed and countersigned by the secretary of the Department of Railways and
)anals.

igned by the president and by the secretary') A. R. McDONALD.
of the said company, the corporate |^ President:

seal of the company having been here- ( ED. H. CRE AU,
unto affixed, in the presence of J Secretary.

T. J. RITCHIE,
J. A. ROY,
signed and sealed by the Minister and "") J. H. POPE,

by the secretary of the Depart- f Minister of Railways and Canals,

ment of Railways and Canals, [ A. P. BRADLEY,
in the presence of J Srcrelary.

H. A. FISSIAULT.
M. DKSJARDINS.

'Exhibit "LJ" 131, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council,

<i pproved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 21st

September, 1891.

On a memorandum dated the 15th September, 1891, from the Acting
Minister of Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 10th
September instant, the Temiscouata Railway Company have furnished a plan
and profile of the St. Francis branch showing the line as constructed.

The Minister, 6n the report of the chief engineer of Government railways,
to the effect that the slight deviations made improving the line there should
be approved, recommends that the location so shown be approved in place of
that accepted by the Order in Council of the 31st December, 1888.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk. Privy Council.

437

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189c

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Counci
a /i proved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 24
December, 1890.

On a memorandum dated 18th December, 1890, from the Minister
Railways and Canals, representing that under date the 12th December, instan
the Temiscouata Railway Company have applied asking that the permissio
to use timber, 'good sound white cedar of not less dimensions than 12x1
inches ' for their truss bridges, abutments and piers, which was inserted in th
subsidy contract made with them for their main line, be extended also
their branch line from Edmunclston towards River St. Francis, 20 miles, fc
which a subsidy contract was made on the 22nd of January, 1889, but whie
did not contain this provision.

The Minister recommends that authority be given for the acceptance (
wooden abutments and piers to truss bridges as though such provision ha<
been made, the contract being amended accordingly.

The committee advise that the requisite authority be granted.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Ottawa, 7th January, 1891.

Under the special provision to that effect of the 16th clause of the contrac
made on the 22nd of January, 1889, with the Temiscouata Railway Compan;
for the construction under subsidy of 20 miles of railway from Edmundstoi
towards the River St. Francis, permission is hereby given for the use of pil
trestles t6 be approved by the chief engineer of Government railways at th
following stations :— 550, 580, 643, 694, 710, 775, 891, 901, 920 and 1049, th
timber of which they are composed being white pine.

JOHN A. MACDONALD,

Minister of Baihoays and Canals

Certified Copy of a Report of a Committee of the Honourable the Privy Council]
approved by His Excellency the Governor General in Council on the 2QtI
October, 1889.

On a memorandum dated 22nd October, 1889, from the Minister o:
Railways and Canals, recommending, on the application of the Temiscouai
Railway Company, approved by the chief engineer of Government railways,
that they be permitted to construct on their subsidized line (20 miles) froi
Edmunclston towards the river St. Francis, wooden box culverts in embank-
ments of 12 feet in height and under, provided that such culverts be built p1
good sound cedar not less than 10 inches by 10 inches, the contract, dated th<
22nd of January, 1889, being modified to this extent only.

The committee submit the same for Your Excellency's approval.

JOHN J. McGEE,

Clerk, Privy Council.

Ottawa, 22nd October, 1889.

In accordance with the provision of clause No. 16 of the specification
attached to the contract made with the Temiscouata Railway Company, on!
the 22nd of January, 1889, for the construction under subsidy of a line ot|

438

Edirar versus Caron.

*©

railway from Edmundston towards (she river St. Francis, I authorize the said
company to construct trestle bridging as follows on (he said line : —

At station 93— Pile trestle 60 feet long, 15 feet high.

At station 118 — Trestle on piles 135 feet long, 25 feet high.

At station 18*2 — Trestle on piles 135 feet long, 30 feet high.

At station 251 — Trestle on piles 300 feet long, 70 feet high.

At station 357 — Piles trestle 120 feet long, 16 feet high.

This concession is made on the condition that said structures be built upon
cedar pile foundations, well driven, the cedar to extend in all cases clear of the
finished surface of the earth, and that the rest of the trestle be built of good
white pine on a plan satisfactory to the engineer in chief of Government
railways.

JOHN A. MACDONALD,
Acting Minister of Railways and Canals.

' Specification and Description.

1st. The railway shall be a single track line with gauge four feet eight*
and one-half inches, with necessary sidings.

2nd. The alignments, gradient and curvature shall be the best the physi-
cal features of the country will admit of, the maximum grade not to exceed
seventy feet to the mile, except at the junction, where two short grades of 80
feet to the mile occur, and the minimum curvature not to be of less radius
than eight hundred and eighteen feet or 7°.

4th. All stumps must be grubbed out within the limits of cuttings under
three feet in depth, or embankments less than two feet in height.

5th. All stumps must be close cut where embankments are less than four
feet and more than two feet in height.

6th. The railway must be enclosed with substantially-built legal fences,
of wire or wood, with the necessary gates and crossings to accommodate the
farmers.

7th. Road crossings with cattle guards and sign boards shall be provided
at all public highways crossing the railway on a level with the rails.

8th. The width of cuttings at formation level shall be not less than twenty
(20) feet, embankments not less than fifteen (15) feet, when settled into place.

9th. Efficient drainage must by provided by open ditches and under-
d rains.

10th All bridges, culverts and other structures must be of ample size and
strength for the purpose intended ; piers and abutments of truss bridges must
be of massive masonry, and culverts under embankments over twelve feet in
height must be of well built, strong second class masonry, or iron, made of
durable and suitable materials, thoroughly permanent in character ; and equal
in every essential particular to the best description of like work employed in
similar railway work in the Dominion.

11th. Open or beam culverts in embankments less than twelve feet in
height may be of cedar wood not less than 10 inches, except the track stringers
which may be of sound pine, white oak, tamarac or spruce timber, not less
than 12 inches by 14 inches. The span shall not exceed 14 feet, and they

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

shall be constructed on a plan approved by the Minister of Railways and
Canals. Superstructure of truss bridges may be of sound white pine or Georgia
pitch pine wood, or if the trusses are covered in from the weather and shingled,
in such case, straight-grained spruce timber may be used.

12th. The rails shall be of steel, weighing not less than fifty-six (56)
pounds per lineal yard, of approved section, and with the most approved fish-
plate.

13th. The railway must be well ballasted with either gravel or other
suitable material. The sleepers to be 8 inches face by 6 inches thick and 8
feet long— 2,600 to the mile.

14th. Sufficient siding accommodation, stations, tanks, turntables or Y's
and such other structures and buildings as may be necessary to meet the
requirements of the traffic shall be provided by the company.

1 5th. Sufficient rolling stock necessary to accommodate and to conduct
promptly and sufficiently the traffic and business of the line shall be provided
by the company, of which the Minister of Railways and Canals shall be the
judge.

16th. Wooden box culverts will not be permitted under any circumstan-
ces, and trestle or pile bridges will not be allowed except upon the written
authority of the Minister of Railways and Canals. The timber of which they
are to be constructed must also be approved by the Minister.

This Contract and Agreement make the 22nd day of January, in the
year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-nine.

Between Her Majesty the Queen, acting in respect of the Dominion of
Canada, and herein represented by the Honourable John Henry Pope,
Minister of Railways and Canals, of the first part, and the Temiscouata Rail-
way Company, of the second part.

Witnesseth, that whereas it is, in and by an Act passed in the session of
the Parliament of Canada held in the fifty-first year of Her Majesty's reign,
chaptered three, and intituled "An Act to authorize the granting of subsidies
in aid of the construction of the lines of railway therein mentioned," amongst
other things in effect enacted "that the Governor in Council may grant —

To the Temiscouata Railway Company for 20 miles of their branch
railway from Edmundston towards the St. Francis River in the province
of Quebec, in view of the subsidy granted by 50-51 Victoria, chapter 24, a
subsidy of $100,000 (one hundred thousand dollars), the said railway to be
commenced within two years from the first day of August, A. D. 1888, and
completed within a reasonable time, not to exceed four years, to be fixed by
Order in Council, and to be constructed according to descriptions and speci-
fications and upon conditions to be approved by the Governor in Council on
the report of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and specified in an agree-
ment to be made by the company with the Government, and which the
Government is thereby empowered to make; the location of such line of rail-
way to be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council ; the said
subsidy to be payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada by
instalments on the completion, to the satisfaction of the Minister of Railways
and Canals, of each section of the railway of not less than 10 miles, propor-
tion;! to to the value of the portion so completed, in comparison with that of
the whole work undertaken, to be established by the report of the said
Minister, or upon completion of the' work subsidized.

And Whereas the Governor in Council has duly approved of the
descriptions, conditions and specifications hereto annexed, marked "A," as

440

Ed^ar versus Caron.

the descriptions, conditions and specifications for the construction of the said

railway.

New this Agreement witnesseth, that in consideration of the said sub-
sidy to be paid in the manner aforesaid, "The Temiscouata Railway Com-
pany" covenants and agrees to and with Her Majesty, Her Heirs and
Successors in manner following, that is to say : —

1. That the company shall and will well, truly and faithfully make, build,
construct and complete a line of railway from Edmundston towards St. Francis
River, a distance of twenty (20) miles, the points and approximate route and
course being shown on the map filed in the Department of Railways and
Canals, and all bridges, culverts and works appurtenant thereto, and will
build, construct and complete the said line of railway, bridges and culverts,
and perform all engineering services, whether in the field or in preparing
plans or doing other office works, to the entire satisfaction of the Governor in
Council.

3. That the gradients and alignment shall be the best that the physical
features of the country will admit of, in conformity with the aforesaid speci-
fications hereto annexed, marked "A."

4. That the company shall and will furnish profiles, plans and bills of
quantities of the whole line of railway in 10-mile sections, and that before the
work is commenced on any 10-mile section, such profiles, plans and bills of
quantities shall be approved by the Governor in Council, and before any pay-
ments are made, the company will furnish such further returns as may be
required, to satisfy the Minister of •Railways and Canals as to the relative
value of the works executed with that remaining to be done.

5. That the said company shall commence the work embraced in this
agreement within one year from the date hereof and shall complete the same,
to wit : — by the first day of August, A.D. eighteen hundred and ninety-two
(1892), time being declared to be material and of the essence of this contract,
and in default of such completion as aforesaid on or before the said date or
dates, the company shall forfeit all right, claim or demand to any and every
part of the subsidy remaining unpaid, as also to any moneys whatever which
may be at the time of the failure of the completion as aforesaid due and owing
to the company.

6. That the company will upon and after the completion of the said line
of railway and works appertaining thereto, truly and faithfully keep the same
and the rolling stock required therefor in good sufficient working and running
order, and shall continuously and faithfully operate the same.

7. That the company will build, construct and complete the said line of
railway and works appertaining thereto in all respects in accordance with the
specification hereto annexed, marked "A" ; and upon a line of location to be
approved of by the Governor in Council.

8. And that the said line of railway and works appertaining thereto,
together w7ith all the franchises, rights, privileges, property, personal and real,
of every character, shall, upon completion of the said line of railway and works
appertaining thereto, be the property of the company.

441

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

In Witness Whereof, " The Temiscouata Railway Company " have
caused their corporate seal to Jbe affixed hereto and these presents to be signed
by the president and by the secretary of the said company, and the said
Minister of Railways and Canals hath hereunto set his hand and caused th
same to be sealed and countersigned by the secretary of the Department oi
Railways and Canals.

Signed by the President and by the Secretary')

of the said company, the corporate seal j A. K. McDONALD,
of the company having been hereto I President

affixed, in the presence of j E. D. BOSWELL,

E. S. CREAM. J

Secretary.

Signed and sealed by the Minister and by the^| J. H. POPE

Secretary of the Department of Railways | Minister of R. and C

and Canals, in the presence of \ A. P. BRADLEY

H A. FISSIAULT. J

Secretary

Exhibit " JS" 2, for the Crown ; filed 22nd September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

On this Day, the tenth of July, one thousand eight hundred and eighty
three.

Before Cy. Tessier, the undersigned, notary public for the province o:
Quebec, Dominion of Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally carat
and appeared,

" The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company," duly incorporated and having its principal place of business at the
city of Quebec, represented in this deed by " William Withall," of the saic
city of Quebec, Esq., merchant, president, and "James Guthrie Scott" of th
same place, Esq., secretary of the said company, hereunto present and specialty
authorized for all and every the purposes of this deed by a resolution of the
shareholders of the company at a general meeting held at the office of tht
company, on this tenth July, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three
herein called u The Company" of the first part;

And Horace Jansen Beemer, of the city of Montreal, Esq., contractor
herein called "the contractor," who, hereby, for the purposes hereof makei
election of domicile irrevocable at the city of Quebec, in the office of th
undersigned notary, until he establishes an office in this city, of which th<
company shall be duly notified, which office when duly made known to th<
company shall be irrevocable domicile of the contractor for the purpose
hereof, of the second part.

Which said Parties have declared, covenanted and agreed as follows
that ie to Bay : —

I Jkuse 1st. — The said contractor doth by these presents bind and oblig<|
himseli to and in favour of the said company, for and in consideration of tM
covenants, conditions and agreements hereinafter mentioned, to find and for

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nisli all necessary right of way, station grounds, tools, plant, implements and
materials whatsoever, and to construct, build, complete, equip and finish in
every respect to the satisfaction of the company and of the engineers, that
part or portion of the "Quebec and Lake St. John Railway " which extends
from Lake Simon to the Lake St. John, a distance of one hundred and thirty-
live miles or thereabouts, together with telegraph lines, station buildings,
work shops, rolling-stock and all other appurtenances as more fully detailed
in the specification annexed. The whole in the most substantial and work-
man-like manner, and upon the terms and conditions of this present contract,
and in accordance with the " supplementary conditions of contract " and the
two specifications which are annexed to the original hereof and signed by the
parties and by the said notary ne varietur — all which documents as well as the
schedule of prices which is also annexed and signed as above, shall be con-
sidered as-making one with this deed and shall be taken as together forming
the contract.

Clause 2nd. — Now, these presents and I, the said notary, are witness
that this contract and undertaking is entered into by the said parties under
the following express terms and conditions, viz : —

Clause 3rd. — For the better interpretation of the different clauses of this
contract, it is understood between the parties that the words " The Railway
Company " shall mean " The Quebec and Lake Saint John Railway Com-
pany." The words " first section " shall mean that portion of the railway
now completed and extending from its junction with the North Shore Railway
at about four miles from Quebec to the River Ste. Anne, in the parish of St.
Raymond, being about thirty-two miles. The words " second section " shall
mean that portion of the same railway now in course of construction, and
extending from the south side or the River Ste. Anne to Lake Simon, being
about ten miles, including the bridge on the River Ste. Anne. The words
" third section " will mean that portion of the railway to be built, extending
from Lake Simon to the foot of the Island of Lake Edw^ard, a distance of
about thirty-five miles. The words " fourth section " will mean that portion
of the railway to be built, extending from the foot of the Island of Lake
Edward to the terminus at Lake St. John, a distance of about one hundred
miles. The words " the engineers " will mean the engineer of the company,
the Federal Government engineer and the Provincial Government engineer,
the engineer or superintendent of public works of the city of Quebec, for the
time being, or their successors in office, and A. L. Light, engineer, who is
hereby appointed, by the parties, consulting engineer.

Clause 4th. — All the work to be done and the materials to be furnished
under this contract shall be done under the direction of the company's
engineer, and subject to the approval of the other engineers above mentioned.

Clause 5th. — And whereas, the company and its directors have expended
time, labour and money for the building of the said " Quebec and Lake
Saint John Railway " to an amount which, by mutual consent is put down at
($450,000) four hundred and fifty thousand dollars, one of the conditions of
this contract is, that the company shall be paid and refunded to the extent of
said sum of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars by the contractor, as
follows : — ($200,000) two hundred thousand dollars out of the first moneys
derived from the first sale of bonds to be issued on the first and second sections
above described, but in any case not later than in two years from this date ;
($125,000) one hundred and twrenty-five thousand dollars out of the proceeds
of the first sale of bonds to be issued on the first forty miles beyond Lake

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Simon, and the balance of ($125,000) one hundred and twenty-five thousand
dollars out of the proceeds of the first sale of bonds to be issued on the next
following forty miles, and until the first of the above instalments (that of
($200,000) two hundred thousand dollars) be paid, a sum equal to five per
cent, shall be retained off every progress estimate hereinafter mentioned, which
five per cent, will be remitted to the contractor as soon as such instalment is
paid.

Clause 6th. — The above two last payments of one hundred and twenty-
five thousand dollars each, to be, at any rate, paid before the first December,
one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six. The whole four hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, with interest from this day, at the rate of seven per cent,
payable semi-annually, the first payment whereof shall therefore be made at the
office of the company in Quebec on the 10th of January next (1*84).

Clause 7th. — In addition to the above, the contractor shall pay after this
day to each of the directors of said company, a sum of ($5) five dollars for
each and every sitting of their Board at which such director will have been
present, and he shall also retain at their present rate of remuneration, from
the day he will take possession of the first section of the road, the services
of the employees of the said company engaged in working the railway until
the completion of their engagements, and afterwards as long as they do their
duty properly, besides all which the contractor will pay to the company in and
by equal monthly instalments, an annual sum of ($11,000) eleven thousand
dollars from this day until the completion of this contract and as long as the
whole undertaking is not finally accepted by the engineers, to defray office
expenses and engineering staff of the company, as detailed in the list or memo-
randum (Schedule C) annexed to the original of this contract, and which has
been signed by the said parties and notary ne varietur. It being understood
that as the said list or memorandum provides for the salary of only one
draughtsman as help to the chief engineer, any additional assistance required
by the engineer in the performance of his duties, either in making measure-
ments for progress estimates or otherwise, shall be furnished by the con-
tractor.

Clause 8th. — The contractor binds and obliges himself to commence the
work of construction immediately, and to continue the same with a sufficient
number of men and a sufficient quantity of materials, so as to complete and
finish in every respect said road and accessories contracted for by and in virtue
of the present deed, namely : The third section on or before the first Decem-
ber, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-five ; and the fourth section on
of before the first December, one thousand eight: hundred and eighty-six ; the
whole in such a manner as to secure the acceptance of the work by the engi-
neers, not later than at the respective dates above mentioned.

Clause 9th. — On the first December, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-six, *or at any previous date at which the works undertaken by the
present contract shall have been completed and accepted, the whole and entire
road, with equipment, rolling stock and everything connected therewith, shall
be put, into the exclusive possession of the company, without the execution of
any deed or instrument in that behalf being necessary.

Clause 10th. — And until such date, i. <?., until the first December,
eighteen hundred and eighty-six, or sooner, as above provided, or until a sub-
sequent date in the event of the company granting additional time for the
funlment of this contract, the contractor will fulfil exactly and faithfully all the
obligations of the company or of the "Quebec and Lake St. John Railway

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Company," incumbent upon them by tbe Railway Act or by any other existing
law.

Clause 11th. — And it is further agreed by and between the said parties,
in addition to the above, that the said If. J. Beemer, party of the second part,
substitutes himself to the said company, party of the first part, with regard to
all its obligations towards Messrs. McCarron & Cameron, the builders of the
second section of said road, as per deed before Cy. Tessier, Notary, the nine-
teenth of July, last year (1882), save only and respects the payment to the
said McCarron & Cameron of the deposit and drawback now in the hands of
the said company as security for the fulfilment of the said contract, amounting
to (|*>770.06) six thousand seven hundred and seventy dollars and six cents ;
he, the said H. J. Beemer, binding himself to have this section of road or line
completed by the said " McCarron & Cameron," according to the conditions of
their said contract, or in their default to complete the same himself not later
than the fifteenth September next.

Clause 12th. — In the event of the consulting engineer thinking it ad-
visable, the said last mentioned contract shall be modified by the raising,
when required, of the bridge on the Ste. Anne River, as he, the consulting
engineer may direct, the additional expenditure arising therefrom to be borne
by the said H. J. Beemer.

Clause 13th. — The unpaid subsidies granted by the Federal Government
and by the corporation of the city of Quebec, on this second section of the
road to be drawn to the extent of twenty thousand dollars only by the said
II. J. Beemer, to whom the company does make all assignment and transfer
which may be needed in that behalf; the balance of such subsidy to be dis-
posed of as follows : — Fifteen thousand dollars shall be retained by the
company, and shall be placed by them to the credit of the contractor against
the first six months interest on the four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
payable by him, and the remainder shall be placed in the hands of the trustees
to be used in payment of progress estimates, as described in clause thirty-
third, upon the work beyond Lake Simon, and for the raising of the Ste.
Anne bridge.

Clause 14th. — The said H. J. Beemer undertakes to have the engine and
eight cars, presently in use by Messrs. McCarron & Cameron, returned to the
company on the fifteenth September next, date at which the latter's contract
should be completed.

Clause loth. — The laying out and final location of the line of the railway
hereby contracted shall be made by competent engineers appointed by the
contractor, and acting under written instructions from the said A. L. Light,
Esq., consulting engineer, and to be entirely subject to his and the engineer's
approval, but the extreme terminal point at Lake St. John shall be indicated
by the company themselves, provided the contractor be not bound to build
beyond one hundred and seventy-five miles from the junction with the North
Shore Road, unless the present subsidies be increased to cover the excess of
distance. Gradients and curvature not to be inferior to those shown on the
plan and profile of the said railway, deposited with the Government of the
province of Quebec in eighteen hundred and eighty, which plan and profile
have been approved by the said A. L. Light.

Clause 16th. — And the said gradients and curvature to be even improved
when and where it can be done without increasing the cost as indicated by the
original profile.

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Clause 17th. — In the event of the Federal Government increasing their
subsidy to the said railway, so as to include the "first section of the same, then
the contractor shall be bound to build an independent line into the city termi-
nus at Quebec, from the present junction, or if the provincial subsidies in cash
and land are also increased so as to cover one hundred and seventy-live miles
instead of one hundred and seventy miles, then the said line shall be built by
the contractor through the village of St. Ambroise into the city terminus, he
paying (as for the third and fourth sections) land damages and right of way
through all intervening property in either case ; the location of the city
terminus being selected by the company to whose approval the location of the
new lines mentioned in this clause shall be subject.

Clause 18th. — In the present contract are comprised the laying-out, filling-
in and completing with extra tracks, if. required by the company or the
engineers, any property the company may acquire or have in the city of
Quebec for the purposes of the said railway for a terminus and station grounds,
the whole to the satisfaction of the engineers. The ground for the station or
terminus in Quebec being the only ground which will be at the charge of the
company.

Clause 19th. — It is hereby expressly understood that the contractor must
be extremely careful and take all necessary precautions to avoid fires in the
bush, the timber being one of the main resources of the railway, and the clear-
ing and burning rendered necessary for the purposes of this contract should be
done as much as possible during the winter season, and the contractor shall
alone be responsible for any damage caused by any of his operations connected
with the building of the said railway.

Clause 20th. — Should any disagreement or dispute arise between the con-
tractor and the company or its engineers, the matter will be referred to the
consulting engineer, whose decision will be final.

Clause 21st. — And whereas the contractor undertakes to complete the
whole of this present contract on or before the said first day of December,
eighteen hundred and eighty-six, the company shall have and hereby retain
the right to cancel the present contract at any time if it becomes evident by a
report from the consulting engineer that a pro rata progress is not being made,
without the company waiving, by reason of such action, any right against the
contractor for damages arising from non-fulfilment of contract ; this same right
or privilege of cancelling the contract is hereby retained by the company and
may be exercised by it on advice of the consulting engineer, in the event of the
contractor failing to comply with any of the obligations contained in clause
fifty, sixth, eighth, tenth and thirty-seventh, or if he, the contractor, does not
strictly comply with the report of the consulting engineer or the order of the
company when made and given under clause thirty-eighth, or again if he does
not deliver, as agreed upon by clause fiftieth, all the plant or tools therein
mentioned, or if he does not comply with the directions of the consulting
engineer with regard to the things mentioned in 47th clause; the whole with-
out the company waiving by reason of such action any right against the con-
tractor for damages as above.

Clause 22nd. — And in the event of this contract being cancelled by reason
of any of the disposition thereof, it shall be the duty of the trustees to refund
or hold subject to the order of the company any money or securities held by
them in consequence of this contract.

Clause 23rd. — The contractor iurther undertakes to do within the term
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:>f the railway now under contract to Messrs. McCarron & Cameron, in order
o render the same fully equal, as to the width of the road-bed and in every
)ther respect, to the remainder of the railway in accordance with the specification.

Clause 24th. — In case the said A. L. Light, the present consulting engineer,
ihould die, or leave the position or be unable to act, his successor shall be
nutually agreed upon, or in default thereof, he shall be named by Mr. Walter
fcanly or some engineer of equal standing to be selected by the then Minister
)i Railways for the Dominion of Canada.

Clause 25th. — The contractor shall not have the right of transferring the
)resent contract neither in whole or in part save and except with regard to
ninor jobs or the furnishing of materials.

Clause 26th. — Twenty platform cars, out of the two hundred mentioned
n the specification, will have to be delivered on or before the fifteenth day of
August next to the Company, who will have the exclusive use of them until
he contractor is given the possession of the road.

Clause 27th. — In consideration of the said contractor undertaking the
^foresaid engagements according to the true intent of the present contract,
lie said company hereby consent to assign, transfer and make over to him and
o undertake to give and procure to him —

FIRSTLY.

Clause 28th. — The whole of the unpaid subsidies, in their present shape,
low and hereafter, to be acquired by the company, i. e. Five thousand dollars
>er mile from the Provincial Government on one hundred and seventy miles,
nd three thousand two hundred dollars per mile from the Dominion Govern-
aent on one hundred and forty miles — and four hundred and fifty thousand
ollars of stock subscription from the city of Quebec^ and the land grant from
le Provincial Government of five thousand acres per mile on one hundred
nd seventy miles, or, at the option of the contractor, the equivalent thereof in
Qoney, if obtainable from the Government,, and as may be agreed upon with
le latter — less the following wThich have been drawn by the company against
he above, that is.

1st. One hundred thousand dollars from the city of Quebec.

2nd. Two hundred and fourteen thousand and seventy-five dollars from
:ie Provincial Government of Quebec.

3rd. Forty-eight thousand one hundred and twenty-one dollars ($48,121)
eceived from the province of Quebec by the Quebec and Gosford Railway
)ompany and, %

4th. The sum of six thousand five hundred and sixty-eight dollars and
hirty cents and interest due to the Federal Government for duty on materials
Sported, which sum is to be deducted from the subsidy granted by said
'ederal Government, the Company undertaking to use every diligence and
iheir influence for the purpose of procuring the payment of all unpaid subsi-
ies and also to assist inasmuch as in their power lies, and as prudence will
How, in the pledging of subsidies to banks or otherwise, as security for
dvances. The subsidies to be thus pledged subject to the conditions on which
bey are voted. The amounts thus obtained or advances to be held in trust
ad paid to the contractor upon progress estimates in the same manner as the
roceeds of the bonds as specified in clauses thirty-first, thirty-second, thirty-third
nd fifty-first of this contract, the proceeds of both subsidies and bonds to be
ousidered as one fund for the purpose. No subsidies to be pledged for advances
t anv one time for a greater mileage than forty miles.

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Clause 29. — The Company further undertake to use every diligence an
effort in their power to procure additional Government and Municipal su
scriptions or subsidies for the benefit of the contractor and to do all and ever
thing to that end in as energetic a manner as though the company were buil
ing the road and more especially to endeavour to procure the following :-

1st. The extension of the Dominion subsidy of three thousand two hu
dred dollars per mile to the first thirty miles of the road.

2nd. The Provincial subsidies (both cash and land) to cover one hundrf
and seventy-five miles instead of one hundred and seventy miles.

3rd. The cancellation of the Provincial Government claim of forty-eig
thousand one hundred and twenty-one dollars paid to the Quebec and Gosfoi
Railway Company.

4th. The obtaining of the one hundred thousand dollars municipal subsic
from the municipalities around the Lake St. John. On the completion ai
acceptance by the engineers of each section of ten miles, the subsidies ai|
subscriptions relating thereto shall be paid to the contractor, less any part
portion which he may have received or which may have been pledged
advances.

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SECONDLY.

Clause 30th. — The first mortgage bonds of the railway company bearii ffl
first lien or hypothec on the road and its appurtenances, to be issued in acc<
dance with the terms of its amended charter and of the railway acts of t
province or of the Dominion, as may be lawful, to the extent of twenty the
sand dollars per mile on the whole length of the line from Quebec (or fromt
junction with the North Shore Railway, if a line into the city of Quebec be n
constructed) to the terminus at Lake St. John. The nature of the bond, vi
whether payable in currency or in sterling, the number of years to run (not h
than twenty nor more than thirty) and the rate of interest, not exceeding fi
per cent per annum (unless by consent of the company) to be hereafter det
mined by the contractor. It being understood and agreed that the contract
shall, at his own expense, cause the interest upon the said bonds to
guaranteed and paid by the Government of the province of Quebec, in the manr
provided by sections 1, 2 and 3 of the Act 39 Vic, chap. 3, and sections sev
and eight of the Act 40 Vic, chap. 3, or in some other manner to be hereafi
mutually agreed upon, to the extent of the full value of the equivalent of t| |e
cash subsidy of the province of Quebec of five thousand dollars per mile
one hundred and seventy miles and of the subsidy of the Dominion of Cana(
of three thousand twro hundred dollars per mile on one hundred and forty-fi
miles, amounting in all to the sum of one million three hundred and fourte
thousand dollars; so that no interest will be payable by the company on t
bonds, after the completion of the railway until the said guarantee shall ha
expired.

The bonds to be issued under this contract shall be treated as follows:
Clause 31st. — 1st, it is agreed that when the bonds representing t |
mileage, at twenty thousand dollars per mile of the first and second sectic
are or are about to be negotiated, they shall be deposited in the " Bank
Montreal," the "Quebec Bank," or in the hands of "other trustees" tl
mutually agreed upon, and shall be handed to the purchasers by the*
trustee or trustees in exchange for the sum of money agreed to be paid
them ; and out of the said sum of money or proceeds shall be paid, firstly
the amount necessary to provide for the guarantee of interest as bef<

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specified, to the extent of eight thousand two hundred dollars per mile on the
completed mileage of the first and second sections, and secondly — the sum of
two hundred thousand dollars, being the first instalment payable to the
company under this contract, and the ha lance shall remain in the hank and
shall be payable upon the order of the company to the contractor on monthly
progress estimates, upon the certificates of the company's engineer, for work
done beyond Lake Simon.

Clause 82nd. — 2nd. Until the bonds are negotiated an amount thereof
representing the mileage of the first and second sections as above shall be
retained by the company until the completion of this contract.

Clause 33rd. — 3rd. The remaining bonds to be issued under this contract
shall, from time to time, as may be necessary, be deposited with trustees as
above specified and paid to the contractor as follows : —

.Firstly.

In the event of their being negotiated the proceeds received in exchange for
the bonds shall be kept in the bank by the trustees and shall be paid to the con-
tractor upon the order of the company upon monthly progress estimates for work
done, upon the certificates of the company's engineer. Provided that in no case
shall the contractor thereby obtain a larger share of remuneration for any ten
miles of road to be constructed by him than the proportion accruing and
available thereto, according to the terms of this contract out of the considera-
tions therein given to the contractor for the building of the road, it being
always understood that none of the bonds shall be said at a less price than
will meet a sufficient sum, in the opinion of the consulting engineer, together
with the subsidies to complete and equip the railway and to insure the
fulfilment of all the other conditions of this contract. After the payment to
the contractor of the progress estimates and other payments to be made him
under this contract, any interest accruing upon deposits of advances on
subsidies or proceeds of debentures negotiated to be for the benefit of the
company, less the interest on the contractor's drawback.

Secondly.

Until the bonds are negotiated' they shall be made available to the
coutractor as follows : — Eight thousand dollars per mile upon each mile
beyond Lake Simon received and accepted by the engineers, the remaining
twelve thousand dollars per mile to be placed in the hands of the trustees and
by them retained until the subsidies to be used to guarantee the interest on
the whole issue of twenty thousand dollars per mile shall have been liberated
and applied for that purpose. It being expressly agreed and declared that the
bonds for eight thousand dollars per mile shall be disposed of to the satisfac-
tion of the company ; that no difficulty will be experienced in getting them
back when required for the purpose of guaranteeing the interest thereon ; and
until that time the contractor agrees to pay all interest that may accrue on
the whole issue and return the interest coupons to the company.

Thirdly.

Clause 34th. — The right of working and running the railway from Que-
bec outwards until the line is completed, to his, the contractor's sole benefit,
subject to all expenses connected with the same.

Clause 35th. — Also subject (as regards that portion between Quebec and
the Junction) to the rules and regulations of and any agreements made or to

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be made with the North Shore Railway Company, the contractor paying the
latter for all privileges received from them.

Clause 36th. — But until the first instalment of two hundred thousand dol-
lars mentioned in the fiftieth and sixth clauses be totally paid, the above thirty-
fifth clause shall not take effect, and the contractor shall not have possession
ot the completed sections of the road. And the company shall, moreover,!
have the right of using such portion of the other sections of the road which |
the contractor shall have built and which the company's engineer shall de-
clare to be fit fo} use. However, in the meantime, but not beyond the limit of
two years mentioned in the fifth clause, the company will carry, free from
charge, freight and men employed for the purpose of this contract.

Clause 37th. — The line when taken possession of, to be operated during
both summer and winter seasons by the contractor, with sufficient train sen
vice, and in every other respect in an efficient manner, satisfactory both to the
public and to the company.

Clause 38th. — And should the company not be satisfied as to the suifi-l
ciency of train accommodation afforded to the public by the contractor, they
may, upon a report to that effect by the consulting engineer, order the con-
tractor to put on additional trains or cars as may be recommended by him,!
the consulting engineer, who shall state under what delay such additional
trains or cars shall be placed, and for each and every day of delay in comply-
ing fully with such report or order, a sum or penalty of one hundred dollars
shall be chargeable to the contractor and be deducted from the amount of the
then next progress estimate.

Clause 39th. — The freight and passenger tariff to be adopted by the con-I
tractor shall be subject to the approval of the company, and all freight con-
tracts made or to be made during their operation of the road by the company,)
shall be carried out by the contractor from the day he will take possession of
the road.

Fourthly.

Clause 40th. — The rights, powers and privileges which are and may here-
after be granted b}r the law to the company for the purposes of the said rail-i
way, inasmuch as such rights, powers and privileges may be thus translerred.]

It is hereby further specially agreed and understood that : —

Clause 41st. 1st. The contractor shall pay the semi-annual interest on the
bonds issued in virtue of the by-law adopted by the Corporation of the city oil
Quebec on the 9th February last, subscribing three hundred and fifty thou-[
sand dollars to the capital stock of the railway and as stipulated in said byi
law, a copy of which is attached to the original hereof: — This payment oi
interest during the progress of the work shall be made to the Corporation oil
Quebec, and on the completion of the road the contractor shall pay the|
amount of two years' interest at four and one-half per cent, per annum upon!
the said subscription to the company, who are bound by said by-law to pav
such interest during two years from the completion of the road.

Clause 42nd. 2nd. As the company are giving to the contractor all the
subsidies, mortgages and other means by which the road is to be built, this
contract shall embrace, and the contractor shall be bound to furnish, without,
extra charge, everything necessary for the entire completion of the railway
and its thorough equipment with everything required by a railway for i&
proper working and maintenance, to the satisfaction and acceptance of A. LI
Light, consulting engineer, whether the same be specified in the contract ojj

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not. It is therefore also distinctly understood thai under no circumstances
and for no cause, will any claim for extras of any kind be made by the con-
tractor or be entertained by the company, and the contractor shall allow the
company to keep in hands out of the subsidies yet to be drawn on the second
l&ction, the sum of ($2,342.50) two thousand three hundred and forty-two
dollars and Ijitv cents, for the execution of certain repairs required to en-
sure the safety of the first section of the railway as per engineer's estimate
attached to the original hereof and marked "Schedule B" and until the date
of the taking possession of this section, he shall be bound to do any repairs
required for the safe working of the line, except such as may reasonably be
done by the section men employed on the road by the company.

Clause 43rd. — 3rd. Nothing in this contract shall be interpreted to mean
that the unsubscribed stock of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Com-
pany, which is, or is to be the property of the company, party of the first part,
under the terms of their agreement with the said Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company, is in any way made over to the said contractor.

Clause 44th.— 4th. If at any time before the termination of this agree-
ment, the company should desire to transfer this contract to the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company, they shall be at liberty to do so, and the
contractor shall be bound to accept the said railway company in their lieu and
stead, provided the latter undertake to assume the liabilities and obligations
imposed upon the company by this contract.

Clause 45th. — 5th. The granting of the federal subsidy will be subject to
:he conditions of an agreement which is to be entered into between the
Federal Government and the railway company, which agreements and the
conditions it will contain, the contractor binds himself to accept.

Clause 46th. — 6th. All progress estimates made up by the company's
3ngineer under this contract shall be so made up on the basis of the prices
nentioned in schedule A annexed to the original hereof, which prices shall be
considered to be the cash value of the different descriptions of work or materials
herein named.

Clause 47th. — 7th. The construction of sidings, station-buildings, work-
shops, and telegraph lines and the furnishing of rolling stock and other
appurtenances in compliance with this contract, shall be made at the time and
place and in every respect as the company's engineer shall direct, and the
ivhole of the above shall be at the risk of the contractor, until the completion
i)f the contract, when they shall be delivered in perfect order to the company ;
iind until the bonds are negotiated, the consulting engineer shall have the
•ight to direct what portions of the work shall be proceeded with, so as to
ret the track laid ; and in the event of delay in the negotiation of the bonds
>eyond two years from this date, the consulting engineer shall also decide what
ielay, if any, may be granted for the entire completion and equipment of the
"oad, but not beyond December, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-seven.
Clause 48th. — 8th. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this con-
ract, the bonds of the railway company shall be negotiated by the contractor,
vho, for the purposes thereof, shall have the right to select, at time or times, at
vhich such negotiations shall take place, and shall make all arrangements
leeded for such sale, subject only to the restriction as to the price of sale
ested in the consulting engineer by the terms of this contract, by clause
hirty-third.

Clause 49th. — 9th. The first payment to the company of the sum of two
Imndred thousand dollars and interest, as mentioned in clause fifty, shall be

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made by a deposit in the Quebec Bank in this city, to .the credit of the con
pany in settlement of certain promissory notes of the latter, endorsed by so
of its past or present directors and in satisfaction of any other liability any
the directors may have taken in favour of the said bank on behalf of tl
company.

Clause 50th. — 10th. The contractor doth, by these presents, sell to tl
company, for and in consideration of a sum of ten dollars, which the contractc
acknowledges to have received before the execution of these presents, the plai
and tools enumerated in schedule D annexed to the original hereof, and whk
he engages to deliver to the company on the line of the said railway,#on
before the first of December next, and the company promises to lease the san
to him, the contractor, for use on the road and for the purpose of this contra
and during its continuance, in consideration of an annual rent of one doll a
and further, to resell the whole of said plant and tools to the contractor for
like sum of ten dollars at the entire completion and execution of th
contract.

Clause 51st. 11th. In the event of all the bonds referred to in this contra
being negotiated and the proceeds placed in the hands of the trustees, th*
the contractor shall (after the several instalments of the sum of four hundre
and fifty thousand dollars and interest have been paid in full) be paid for eac
section of ten miles completed and accepted by the engineers the proportic
of the said proceeds to which that mileage would entitle him, deducting
amounts previously advanced thereon, on progress estimates, and also deduc
ing a proportion of the value of rolling stock, stations, workshops, wate
service and other uncompleted work, to be established by the company
engineer, and also, less a draw back of five per cent, upon the amount of tl
proceeds, which will be retained in the hands of the trustees until the compl
tion of the contract.

Thus done and executed at Quebec, office of the company, party of tl
first part, under the number six thousand five hundred and sixty-three of tl
records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with the said notar
alter the reading done.

W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
Cy. TESSIER, K P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

Cy. TESSIER, K R

SUPPLEMENTARY.

CONDITIONS OF CONTRACT.

1. The specifications, bill of works, schedule of prices, and all other doo:
n mi its annexed to the original of this contract and the several parts and clausi
of this present deed shall be taken together, to explain such other and tomak
the whole consistent, and should any work, material, or thing of any descri]
tion whatsoever be omitted from the bill of works, schedules of prices, speciij
cations or contract, which in the opinion of the engineer is necessary c!

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ixpedient to be executed, the contractor shall, notwithstanding said
ipon receiving written directions from the engineer, perform the same.
■iiy< 2. The progress measurement and progress certificates shall nol in any

if ti respect be taken as an acceptance of the work or release of I he conl ractor from
iiis responsibility in respect thereof, but lie shall at the conclusion of the work,
Ml Jehver over the same in good order, according to the true intenl and meaning
'actof the contract and specifications and to the satisfaction of the engineer.
plai 3. The contractor shall employ as many competent agents and foremen
fliit Dn the whole works as may be considered requisite by the engineer, and the
;nii said foreman shall be regularly and constantly present on the works, for the
sail purpose of effectually overseeing the same, but the instructions of the engineer
shall be given to the contractor, his superintendent or engineer.

4. The contractor is hound by the general conditions of the specifications
to provide all proper tools and plant, including engines and rolling stock,

tllaecessary for the execution of the work, and is responsible for the sufficiency
of the same ; he must also take upon himself the entire responsibility of the
temporary work and all other means used for the fulfilment of the contract,
whether such means may or may not be approved of or recommended by the

dijengineer, and the contractor must run all risks of accidents or damages from
whatsoever cause they may arise until the completion of the contract,

5. The contractor shall, subject to the approval of the engineer as to the
same, but at his own cost, make all necessary temporary provision during the
progress of the works for land owners crossing the line of railway, and he
shall provide the necessary accommodation for the passage of the public at
the intersections of public roads ; he shall also, at his own cost, make such
provision until the fences be erected as may be necessary to prevent the
straying of cattle where the fields in settlements are entered upon.

6. The contractor shall be responsible for all damages to land owners or
others arising from loss of crops, or injury thereto, respectively sustained, by
any cause or thing connected with the construction of the work, or through
any of his agents or workmen ; and he shall be held responsible for all damages
which may be done to property or persons through the blasting of rocks
or other operations carried on by him, and he must assume all risks and con-
tingencies, whether from fire, water or any other cause whatever, that may
arise during the progress of the works ; and he must make good, at his own
cost, any defects and failures, whether from negligence on the part of himself
or workmen or from bad workmanship or from the use of improper materials ;
and he shall hold harmless and indemnify the company of and from any claims,
losses or damages in respect thereof, and he, the contractor, will, at his own
expense, naake such temporary provisions as may be necessary for the protec-
tion of persons or of lands, buildings or other property, or for the uninterrupted
enjoyment of all rights of persons or corporations in and during the perfor-
mance of the works.

7. The contractor shall not permit, allow or encourage the sale of any
spirituous liquors on or near the line of the railway.

8. No work whatever shall at any time or place be carried on during
the Sunday, and the contractor shall take all necessary steps for preventing
any foreman or agent or men from working or employing others on that clay,
except when unavoidably required.

9. The contractor shall by himself, his agents and workmen, faithfully
(carry on the works until completion, and no sub-contract, assignment or trans-
fer shall in any way be recognized.

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10. Should the contractor become insolvent or bankrupt or s
embarrassed in circumstances as to be unable, in the opinion of the company]
properly to proceed under the contract, the company shall be at liberty tj
cancel the contract.

11th. Should the contractor pursue any course violating any of the pre
visions of the contract, or the evident import of the same, the company shal
have power to cancel the contract, on the advice of the consulting engineer.

12. Should it become necessary under clause 21st by advice of the coi
suiting engineer to cancel the contract, the company shall give the contractol
seven days' clear notice in writing of their intention, such notice being sign*
by the secretary of the company, and the contractor shall, thereupon, give u]
quiet and peaceable possession of the works, as they then exist, as Well al
material or plant which he may have been furnishing or using, and withouj
any other or further notice or process or suit at law or other legal procee(
ings of any kind whatever. The company, in the event of their cancelling th«|
contract, may forthwith, or at their direction, proceed to relet the samj
or any part thereof or employ additional workmen, tools and materials, as thj
case may be, and complete the works as may be deemed best in the event o|
the contract being cancelled through any neglect br fault of the contractor
the work shall be completed by the company at his expense, and he shall bj
liable for all extra expenditure which may be incurred thereby, and the coi
tractor and his assigns or creditors shall forfeit all right to the percentag]
retained, and to all money which may be clue on the works, and he shall n<
molest or hinder the men, agents or officers of the company, or the new coi
tractor, from entering upon and completing the said work as the compam
may deem expedient.

13. Any notice or other matter under or connected with the contracl
may be served on the contractor either at his usual domicile or at an addres
to be mentioned in the contract, or attached to the signature of the contracto
thereto, or at his last known place of business, by being mailed at or to an;
post office in Canada in the vicinity of the work, and shall be deemed to
thereby legally served.

14. If at any, time it shall appear to the engineer that the security o:l
the neighbourhood is likely to be disturbed, or any other difficulty likely to
arise by reason of the men being left unpaid, the company may pay an}
arrears of wages, so far as they may ascertain the same as a payment oil
account of the contract.

15. The contractor shall perform and execute all works required to bti
performed under the contract in a good, faithful, substantial and workman
like manner, and in strict accordance with the plans and specifications thereof!
and with such instructions and additional plans as may be from time to timtl
given by the engineer ; and shall be under the direction and constant super!
vision of such assistant engineers and inspectors as may be appointed. A\}
the works arc to be executed and material supplied to the engineers entire
satisfaction.

16. Should any differences arise between the company's engineer and
the contractor as to the meaning of the specifications, conditions or plans, oi
contract, or as to anything arising out of any of them, or. done, or omitted to
be done, under any of them, or as to any rights of any of the parties undeJ
any of them, the same is to be decided by the consulting engineer for the
time being, who is to be the sole judge thereof, and whose decision thereon iJ
to be final and binding on all the parties, and is not to be subject to any appea

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or petition or legal adjudication of any kind. The power of the consulting
engineer above given extends to all questions as to the meaning of the specifica-
tions, conditions, plans or contract or as to points not provided for, or not
Sufficiently explained in any of them, or as to the quantity or quantities of
work or material, or as to the right of the contractor to any moneys. But
this enumeration of some of the powers of the consulting engineer is not to be
read as having the effect of in any way limiting or contracting the powers
Conferred upon him by the general language of this clause— and which powers
are of such nature and extent as to enable him to investigate and adjudicate
upon any and all differences and claims which may hereafter arise out of the
said contract.

17. The term "Engineer" made use of in the specifications and con-
tract means " The Engineer in chief of the Company " or some one of his
assistants acting under his authority and instructions, and all instructions or
directions, judgments or decisions given, or power exercised by any one acting
for the engineer in chief or under his authority, will be subject to his
approval.

18. Time shall be deemed to be of the essence of this contract.

The above is the document called Supplementary conditions of contract
which is annexed to the original of a contract between H. J. Beemer, Esq.,
and the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company Lumbering and Trad-
ing Company, executed before Cy. Tessier, Notary, at Quebec, on the 10th of
July, 1883.

H. J. BEEMER,
J. G. SCOTT,
W. WITHALL,
CY. TESSIER, iV. P.
(True copy.)

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

GENERAL SPECIFICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WORK.

1. This specification refers to all works of construction and materials
required in making, building and equipping the railway, and comprising
clearing, close-cutting, grubbing, fencing, excavation, draining, ditching,
foundation works, culverts, budging rails and fastenings, rolling-stock,
stations, workshops, sidings, and all other works connected with the con-
struction and completion of the line of railway, to which the engineer may
consider this specification to be applicable.

CLEARING, ETC.-

2. Where the railway passes . through wooded sections, the land must be
cleared to the width of fifty feet on each side of the centre line, or such
greater or lesser width as the engineer may direct, and must be entirely com-
pleted before grading is begun. Clearing may at first be made only sixty-
six feet wide, or as much wider as the embankments may necessitate, and the
contractor will be allowed until the completion of his contract to make them
the full width of one hundred feet, so that he may thus be able to get the
value of the wood on the extra width, in so far only, however, as the company
may have the right of property in such wood.

3. The clearing is to be done so that all the brush, logs and other loose
material within its limits shall be burned. In no case shall any of the brush

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or logs be cast back upon the adjacent timber lands : they must invariably be
made into piles near the centre of the space to be cleared, and there entirely
consumed. All brash or trees accidentally or otherwise thrown into the
adjacent woods must be dragged out and burned. The land when cleared
must be left in a clean condition, and the contractor will be held responsible
for all damage to crops and timber.

4. Where embankments are to be formed less than four feet and more
than two feet in height, all the standing timber and stumps must be chopped
close to the ground within the limits of the embankment and burned.

5. Where excavations do not exceed three feet in depth or embankments
two feet in height, all stumps must be grubbed out, and if possible burnt ;
those that will not burn, must be carried beyond the limits of the cuttings and
embankments, where directed, and there piled. Direction will be given at
the proper time as to the extent of ground required to be cleared, close cut,
and grubbed. The side -ditching and ofT-take drains must also be grubbed ;
no grubbing in borrowing pits will be allowed for in progress estimates.

FENCING.

6. The fence shall be strong, well built of steel barb wire. There will be
four lines of steel barb wire fastened to posts six inches diameter and seven
and one-half feet long, set at least three feet into the ground and twelve feet
apart.

7. The farm gates will be strong, of an approved design, and made
according to direction.

8. The fencing to be thoroughly completed through all the cleared
lands and wherever it may be directed to be placed by the engineer and be-
fore grading is begun.

GRADING.

9. In .wood land the grading will be commenced after the clearing,
close cutting and grubbing is completed to the satisfaction of the engineer.

10. The width of embankment at sub-grade or formation level will be
15 feet. The width or earth cuttings will not be less than 24 feet unless
directed by the engineer. The slopes of earthwork will generally be made
one and a half horizontal to one perpendicular. In rock cuttings the slopes
will be, as a rule, one horizontal to four perpendicular. In cuttings partly
earth and partly rock, a berme of six feet wide shall be left on the surface of
the rock. The widths, slopes and other dimensions above defined may be
varied by the engineer at any time to suit circumstances.

11. The material to be placed in the embankments must be approved by
the engineer, and in places where the natural surface of the ground upon
which the embankment is to rest is covered with vegetable matter which
cannot he burned off in clearing, and which would, in the opinion of the
engineer, impair the work, the same must be removed to his entire satisfac-
tion. All sloping ground covered with pasture shall be deeply ploughed over
the base of the embankments before the latter are commenced

12. In level sections, it will be necessary to excavate off-take ditches
for considerable distances to the right or left of the line. These ditches will
generally he required in the lowest ground Ditches will also be taken down
below the road-bed in wide cuttings for the purpose of through drainage.

;ind the ofi-take ditches must be of such widths and depth as may be

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required and directed. The sides shall he sloped one vertical to two horizon-
tal, and the material shall be cast out so as to leave a berme of at least six feel
between the deposit and the top of the slopes for the off-take ditches and the
material removed entirely from ditches in cuttings.

13. On the completion of the line cuttings, side ditches, as provided for
in the bill of works for the removal of surface water, shall be formed along
each side of bottom of the slopes ; in cuttings, according to directions to be
given. Catch-water ditches shall also be formed some distance back from the
top of slopes, to exclude from the excavation any water flowing from the
adjoining lands. The contractor shall also construct all other drains and
ditches which the engineer may deem necessary for the perfect drainage of the
railway and works.

14. All open ditches, in cuttings or elsewhere, other than those referred
to in clause 12, and all excavations required for turning, making or changing
water courses, and which must be executed, as may from time to time be
directed, will be measured up and valued in progress estimates as excavation
according to its class ; and all other excavations, side ditches and borrowing
pits or grading depot grounds, turnouts or branches, and so much of founda-
tion pits for culverts as are not under the level of the water, shall be con-
sidered as a necessary part of the excavation for the formation of the road way,
and must be executed and the material deposited in the embankment accord-
ing to the directions of the engineer, and will be valued at the same rate per
yard as the ordinary excavation, according to its class. In foundation pits,
where pumping or baling becomes necessary, all the excavations under water
level shall be measured and reckoned at three times the price of earth excava-
tion in such progress estimates.

15. Excavation will be classed under two heads, viz.: — Solid rock and
earth, and will be valued in progress estimates according to the following
definitions : 1st. All stones and boulders measuring more than fifteen cubic
feet, and all solid rock, shall be termed solid rock excavation ; 2nd. All other
excavation of whatever kind, with the exception of off-take ditches and deep
ditches in wide cuttings referred to in clause 12, shall be termed earth
excavation.

16. The schedule of values for these several classes of excavation shall
be taken to include the whole cost of hauling, spreading, trimming slopes,
ic, &c, in all cases.

17. The embankments must be made to such sufficient height and width
as will allow for the subsidence of the same so that on being trimmed they
will stand at the full dimensions specified in clause 10, or at such heights,
levels, widths and forms as may be directed by the engineer ; the upper sur-
face of the banks to be rounded in order to through the water.

18. The whole of the grading shall be carefully formed to the levels
given, and the roadwaty in cuttings shall invariably be rounded and left six
inches lower at the sides than on the centre line. For rock cuttings it will
be sufficient to form a water channel about two feet wide and eight inches
deep along each side. All materials found in excavations, whether in road-
bed cuttings, ditches, water channels, road crossings, borrowing pits or
elsewhere, must be deposited in such places as the engineer may direct. In
cases where the road-bed excavations are insufficient to form the embank-
ments the "deficiency shall be supplied by widening the cuttings, and from the
side ditches, first, and afterwards from borrowing pits, but no materials shall
be so supplied without his concurrence, and not until the cuttings and ditches

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are completed. All borrowing pits shall, if required by the engineer, be
dressed to a good shape and properly drained. Where material to make up
embankments is taken from the sides of the embankment and fence shall
remain untouched, the slope in all cases being left and less than 1J horizontal
to 1 perpendicular. Borrowing pits shall be provided by the contractor at his
own cost, and no allowance will be made for hauling from borrowing pits
into embankment.

19. Where the excavation in a cutting exceeds what 'may be required to
make the embankments of the specified width, the engineer may direct that
the embankment be increased in width with the surplus material ; and when
this is done to his satisfaction, the remainder, if any, may be wasted ; but in
every case where either borrowing or wasting is resorted to, the materials
must be taken and deposited as he may regulate and direct.

*20. In cases where walls or rip-rapping will be required for the protection
of embankments contiguous to streams, all stone suitable for this work found
in excavations may be removed and deposited in some convenient place until
required ; and all good building stone which may be found in rock excava-
tions may, with the approval of the engineer, be preserved and piled along the
side of the line as directed. But any material so found and used will not be
valued twice, the quantity, if considerable, will form a deduction from the
quantity of excavation as measured in the cutting.

21. Rip-rap work, wherever required and ordered for the protection of
slopes of embankments, must be well and carefully performed, in such manner
and of such thickness as may be directed. It will be measured and valued by
the cubic yard.

22. Roads constructed to and from any point on the line of railway for
the convenience of the contractor, for the conveyance of material or other-
wise, must be at his own risk, cost and charges, and he must pay for the use
of the land for the same.

23. Wherever the line is intersected by public or private roads, the
contractor must keep open, at his own cost, convenient passing places, and he
shall be held responsible for keeping all crossings, during the progress of the
works, in such condition as will enable the public to use them with perfect
safety, and such as will give rise to no just ground for complaint. The con-
tractor will be held liable for any damages resulting from negligence on his
part or that of his men. At all public roads crossed on the level, the con-
tractor will be required to put in two substantial cattle guards of wood, of
such dimensions as may be directed by the engineer. Also sign boards
similar to those used on the main line. Farm crossings must be made up of
earth with large box culverts under them for the passage of water, or they
may have to be on bents and stringers and planked. They must be built
according to the directions of the engineer, and the timber used must be of a
durable kind and approved of him.

24. The contractor shall, before the work is finally accepted, finish up
cuttings and embankments, and complete all drainage, dress and drain
borrowing pits when required, dress slopes to the required angles, repair all
damages by frost or other causes, and complete everything connected
with the grading of the road-bed, &c, in a creditable and workmanlike
manner in accordance with the directions and to the satisfaction of the h
engineer. *

25. The measurement of quantities shall invariably be made in excava- I
tion, unless in special cases, if any, where this may be found impossible ; in

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tuch cases, the engineer shall determine the quantities in embankment, after
making all proper allowances, 'of which he shall be the judge.

26. The consideration stipulated in the contract must be understood to
cover every contingency, the furnishing of all labour, material, power and plant,
engines and rolling-stock ; the cost of finishing up cuttings and embankments
and drainage channels, the dressing and draining of borrowing pit when
required, the dressing of slopes to the required angle, and the completing of
everything connected with the grading of road-bed, in a creditable and work-
manlike manner, in accordance with the directions and to the satisfaction of
the engineer. *

Timber Structures.

27. Cattle guards and the superstructure of culverts must be built of
good merchantable white pine timber, free from large knots, splits or other
defects and sawn to correct dimensions, the ties to be of sawn tamarac.

The structures for the passage of streams will be built of good sound pine
timber, character and quality to be approved by the engineer and in accor-
dance with plans and specifiations to be furnished from time to time. The
engineer may substitut espruce or tamarack, which shall be valued at the prices
named for such in the schedule annexed, when making the progress estimate.

Wherever circumstances require the adoption of trestle work in lieu of
embankments, the same shall be erected in the most substantial manner in
accordance with the plans and specifiations of the same to be furnished from
time to time by the engineer, and with material subject to his approval.

Foundations.

28. Foundation- pits must be sunk to such depths as the engineer may
deem proper for the safety and permanency of the structure to be erected, and
must in all cases be sunk to such depths as will prevent the masonry being
acted on by the frost, and the material excavated therefrom to be deposited in
embankment, unless the engineer direct otherwise.

Masonry.

29. In order to prevent delay in track-laying, it may be expedient to
build temporary structures of timber before masonry is commenced or during
its progress. If required, the contractor must do this work according to the
engineer's directions. The masonry must be of a substantial and permanent
character, and in every respect equal to the best description of masonry in
railway works, and equal to that in use on the ^"orth Shore Railway.

30. The masonry shall not be started at any point before the foundation
has been properly prepared, nor until it has been examined and approved by
the engineer, nor until the contractor has provided a sufficient quantity of
proper materials and plant to enable the work to be proceeded with regularly
and systematically.

31. The stone used in all masonry of the line of railway must be of a
durable character, large, well proportioned and well adapted for the construc-
tion of substantial and permanent structure.

32. Culvert masonry, whether in cement or dry, shall be built of good,
sound, large fiat bedded stones, laid in horizontal beds. It may be known
as 2nd class masonry. The stones employed in this class of masonry will
generally be not less in area of bed than three superficial feet, nor less in thick-
ness than six inches, and they must be hammer dressed so as to give goo 1
beds with half inch joints. All stones must be laid on their natural beds.

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33. Headers shall be built in the wall, from front to back, at least one
every five feet in line of wall, and frequently in the rise of wall. The minimum
breadth of bed allowed for stretchers shall be twelve inches. In the larger
structures, all stones must be heavier in proper proportion. Every attention
must be paid to produce a perfect bond, and to give the whole a strong, neat,
workmanlike finish, the vertical joints being dressed back from the face 8
inches, and they must overlap 10 inches.

34. The walls of the box culverts will be finished with stones, the full
thickness of wall, and the covers will be 15 inches thick or more according to
the span ; they must have a bearing of at least 12 inches on each wall, and
must be punched on their side bearings a*id fitted sufficiently close together
to entirely prevent the earth from falling through.

35. The bottom of culverts will be paved with stones set on edge, to a
moderately even face, packed solid, the interstices being also well packed and
grouted. The paving will be from 12 to 16 inches deep. *

36. Masonry shall be formed dry or laid in Portland cement mortar as
circumstances may determine. In dry masonry special regard must be paid to
the stone being massive and well proportioned.

37. Mortar shall be of hydraulic Portland cement.

38. The Portland cement must be fresh ground, of the brand to be ap-
proved by the engineer, and it must be delivered on the ground and kept
till used, in good order. Before being used, satisfactory proof must be afforded
the engineer of its hydraulic properties, as no inferior cement will be allowed.

39. The Portland cement must be thoroughly incorporated with ap-
proved proportions of clean, large grained sharp sand. The general propor-
tions may be one part of cement to two parts of sand, but this may be varied.
Mortar will only be made as required, and it must be prepared and used under
the immediate direction and to the satisfaction of an inspector, by the con-
tractor's men, failing which the inspector may employ other men to prepare
the mortar ; and any expense incurred thereby shall be borne by the con-
tractor. Grout shall be formed by adding a sufficient quantity of water to
well tempered and well proportioned mortar.

40. When mortar is used, every stone must be set in a full bed and
beaten solid, the vertical joints must be flushed up solid, and every course
must be perfectly level and thoroughly grouted.

41. All masonry must be neatly and skilfully pointed, but if done out
of season, or from any other cause it may require repointing before the ex-
piration of the contract, the contractor must make good and complete the
same at his own cost. Work left unfinished in the autumn must be properly
protected during the winter by the contractor, at his risk and cost ; and
tli" prices set forth in the schedules for all masonry will be taken to include
coffer dams, pumping, &c, &c.

42. A tier ihe masonry of a structure has been completed for a period
of lour or five \\<cks, the formation of the embankment around it may be
proceeded with. The earth must be carefully punned in their layers around
the walls, and in this manner the filling must be carried on simultaneously
on both sides. The contractor must be extremely careful in forming the
embankments around culverts, as he will be held liable for any damages to
the structures that may arise. The punning must be carefully attended to,
and the whole filling must invariably be done in uniform courses from the
bottom to lie- top of the embankment, without loading one side of the ma-
sonry more than another.

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E \gav versus ( ;aron.

This is one of the specifications mentioned in and annexed to the
original of a certain contract between IE. J. Beemer, Esq., and the Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway Lumber and Trading Company, executed before
Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the 10th of July, 188-3.

H. J. BEEMER,
W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
CY. TEISSIER, N. P.,
(True Copy.) ■ •

CY. TESSIER.

QUEBEC AND LAKE SAINT JOHN RAILWAY.

GENERAL SPECIFICATION FOR TRACK-LAYING, BALLASTING, RAILS, BUILDINGS AND

EQUIPMENT.

This work will be done directly under the orders of the company's track
master.

1st. The wTork of track-laying anfl ballasting will embrace all engines,
cars and plant, and all labour and tools required for loading, unloading and
distributing rails, joint-fastenings, spikes, joints and crossings, and sleepers or
cross-ties ; laying, lifting, centering, lining and surfacing the track ; also for
making roads to ballast pits, and laying all service tracks ; for getting,
loading, hauling and unloading the ballast, placing the same on the road-bed
and trimming it up.

TR^CK-LAYING.

2nd. The rails shall be laid to a gauge of four feet eight and one-half
inches clear between the rails, and they shall be well and carefully fastened
at the joints ; special care must be taken at points and crossings to have the
rails laid. to a tight gauge; the rails must be full spiked, and on curves the
outer rails shall be elevated. The rails shall be handled with great care, and
before being run over by either engine or cars, they shall be full-sleepered and
surfaced. Every precaution shall be taken to prevent them getting bent
during the progress of the ballasting. Upon all curves the rails must be
properly bent and fitted to templates of the required curvature. Before
being laid on all portions of the work, the rails will be laid, unless otherwise
directed by the engineer, broken joints, or the ends of opposite rails shall not
rest on the same tie, but one-half the length of the rail, either' back or
forward. The contractor will be held responsible for any bending, injury to
or breakage of the rails until the final acceptance of his work, and the damage,
if any, to the rails, will be established by the engineer, and the amount will be
deducted from the amount of his contract. The rails, fastenings and the
track-laying will be entirely under the control of the engineer.

3rd. The sleepers or cross-ties must be of sound tamarack, hemlock or
cedar timber, but not over twTenty-five per cent, to be cedar, smoothly hewn,
free from all score-hacks, and chopped or sawn square at the ends, eight feet
long, flattened on two opposite sides to a uniform thickness of six inches,
the flattened surface being not less than six inches on either side, at the
small end. They must be placed as nearly as possible at uniform distances
apart, of two feet centres, and at right angles to the rails ; "joint sleepers'*

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must have both upper and under surface bearing at their smallest end of at
least ten inches.

4th. The contractor shall lay all sidings and put in all joints and crossings,
complete, embracing wing and jack rails, head blocks, switch and signal
frames, and gearing ; and he shall remove from the track and straighten all
bent and damaged rails, and make good all injuries done before the works are
finally accepted ; and further he will be held responsible for all materials pro-
vided him, and give a receipt for the same upon taking delivery. Track
laying shall include the supplying, furnishing and laying plank, including
spikes for the same, on public and private road crossings, distributing rails,
rail fastenings, spikes, joints and crossings, ties, laying the same on main track
and sidings, and centering, lining and surfacing. Track laying will be paid
for by the lineal mile, 5,280 feet.

BALLASTING.

5th. The land for ballast pits and approaches thereto, will be furnished
by the contractor and be approved by the engineer. In selecting land for the
purpose, a preference will always be given to those points where the best
materials can be procured, having due regard to the convenience of the con-
tractor. During the working of any p^t, should the material be found unfit for
ballasting, the engineer shall have power to compel the contractor to close
such pit and open others.

6th. The surface of all ballast pits shall be stripped of soil where such exists,
and no material whatever shall be placed on .the road-bed but good, clean gravel,
free from earth, clay, loam or loamy sand ; no large stones shall be allowed.
The maximum size of gravel must not be greater in diameter than 3 inches.
The track must be raised so that there will be an average depth of 6 inches
beneath the sleepers, and the ballast must be well beaten and packed under
and around them. As the raising proceeds, the end of the lift shall extend
over not less than three rail lengths, and before trains are allowed to pass over
the inclined portion of track, it must be made sufficiently solid to prevent
bending the rails or twisting the rail joints. After the lift, the track shall
be centered, lined, topped, surfaced and trimmed off to a proper form and width.

7th. In the event of full ballasting being required, a second lift must be
made in the same manner and with the same precautions as required for the
first " lift " in order to secure a uniform thickness of 12 inches under the
sleepers.

8th. In wet cuttings the engineer shall have power to direct a greater
thickness of ballast, should it be deemed necessary.

9th. .The contractor shall keep all public and private road crossings in a
safe and serviceable condition during the progress of the work, leaving them
well and properly planked inside and outside of the rails, and gravelled to a
depth of at least ten inches for a distance of 50 feet on both sides gf the track.

10th. The track shall be left by the contractor with everything complete
and well surfaced. The ballast shall be dressed off to the form required, and
the whole shall be executed according to the directions and to the approval of
the engineer or other officer duly appointed.

11th. The contractor shall be paid in progress estimates by the cubic
yard l'<>\- all ballast put into track, the measurement to be made in the pit or
excavation, and the priee per cubic yard to cover the cost of laying tracks to
the pit, stripping the ground, excavating, hauling, handling, putting the
ballast on the road-bed and neatly trimming it off to the proper form.

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13th. The rails shall be of the bes1 English steel. 60 pounds per yard, or
not loss than 56 pounds, at the option of* the consulting engineer; inspected
during and after manufacture and approved by C. 1'. Sandberg, with flanged
fish plates. Specification and brand i<» he subject i<> the approval of the con-
sulting engineer, as well as the bolts and spike- required.

14th. All bridges over 60 feet span shall be of iron, and ;ill spans 60 feet
and under may be of iron or wood, as the consulting engineer may decide.
All bridges shall be equal to those specified for the Canadian Paciiic Railway
and adapted to carry " Consolidation " engines ; spans under 60 feet may rest
on second class masonry or pine abutments. Plans, specifications and tests to
be subject to the approval of the engineer. Bridges must be painted with
fire proof paint, which shall be renewed until completion of road as often as
engineer may direct.

15th. A passenger station shall be built at the Quebec terminus, and a
freight shed, upon plans and specifications to be furnished by the company's
engineer, to cost not less than $12,000. Four stations to be built, where
directed by the engineer, similar to that at St. Raymond, and ten stations to
be equal to that at Lake St. Joseph. All stations to be furnished with desks,
books, ticket cases and other furniture, ready for work.

16th. Workshops at Quebec. ^

Repair shops at Lake St. John. ! rp .* i c <*cn aaa
uS £ /0r, > To the value of $50,000.

Hand car houses (25).

Ten woodsheds
All to be built on plans to be furnished by the engineer and approved by
the consulting engineer. Workshops and repair shops to be furnished with
the necessary machinery and tools.

17th. A telegraph line to be built along the whole length of the railway
in a solid and substantial manner, with heavy cedar poles and the necessary
instruments at all stations. The line to be built in such a manner as to con-
form to the terms of the company's contract with the Montreal Telegraph
Company, who furnish and stretch the wire and plant the poles.

18th. The sidings to the extent of five per cent, of the whole length of
the railway to be furnished by the contractor where directed.
19th. A tank at Quebec to hold 40,000 gallons.

One tank at St. Raymond to hold 20,000 gallons.
And 10 tanks between St. Raymond and Lake St. John to hold
an average of 15,000 gallons each.
Water tanks to be furnished with the necessary apparatus ready for use,
and all tanks to be frost-proof, and to be built in a substantial manner as
directed, and subject to the approval of the engineer.

20th. The following rolling-stock will be furnished by the contractor :
10 locomotives, cylinders 17 x 24 ins. of approved pattern and make
with the option to the company to take an equal value of " Con-
solidation" engines, 20 x 24 ins. for all or a pattern. All
engines to be of Rhode Island, Baldwin, or some other approved
make, to the satisfaction of the consulting engineer.
6 first-class passenger cars.
6 second-class "
1 pay-master's car.
4 baggage, mail and express cars.
73 box-cars.
.200 platform cars.

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3 snow-ploughs, with wings and flanges.
25 hand cars.
1 wrecking car, with derrick.
All rolling-stock to be new, and of modern pattern, with the latest
improvements, and standard axles, springs, couplings, &c, specification to be
approved by the engineer before purchase.

The above five pages are one of the specifications mentioned in and '
annexed to the original of a contract between H. J. Beemer, Esq., and the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Co., executed
before Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the 10th July, 1883.

"W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
CY. TESSIER, KP.

(True Copy.)

CY. TESSIER, KP.

QUEBEC AKD LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Schedule A.

Quebec, , 188 .

Schedule of value and approximate quantities of work to be done and executed
on contract No. 4, extending from Lake Simon to Lake St. John, an
assumed distance of 135 miles, also from White House trestle to Quebec,
a distance of about 12 miles.

Quantities

1,740

2,646,000

146,000

13,300

9,600

147

Description of Works.

Road-bed.

\nrs, clearing and grubbing

Cubic yards earth excavation .•

( 'ill lie yards rock excavation

C '\il »ic yards 1st class masonry

( 'ill >ic yards 2nd class masonry

Ties, tamarac, cedar and hemlock

.M ties wire fencing

iMile1? wood culverts and cattle guards, per mile.

Bridging.
2,000 Lineal feel of bridge superstructure. . . .
Rails and Fastenings.

13,860

736,000

518

117

294,000

Tons steel i-ails on the work, 04'= tons per mile, 60 lbs.
per yard

Llis. spikes

| Lbs. bolts and nuts

Tons fish plates

Rate.

1 RACK-LAYING.

Miles track Laying

Ballasting.
Cubic yards ballast ing

$63 00

0 30

1 00
10 00

7 00

0 25

512 00

100 00

40 00

28 00
0 034
0 04

28 00

225 00

0 30

4(54

Amount.

$100,020 00

703,800 00

233,000 00

133,000 00

07,200 00

96,360 00

10,752 00

14,700 00

.$388, OSO 00

25,725 00

9,400 00

14,52!) 48

Total.

$1,459,032 0O

80,000 00

437,734 00
33,075 00

88,200 00

Edgar versus Caron.

Schedule of value and approximate quantities of work to be done and
executed on contract No. 4, &c. — Concluded.

Quantities

It;

I tescription <>f Work

10
12

200

3
25

147

Telegraph Link.
Miles telegraph (Tel. Co. to build). .
Siding.

Miles sidings, including vails

Station BUILDINGS

Station and freight shed at Quebec

" •• equal to St. Raymond

'• " "■ St. Joseph . .

Elate

Amount.

50 00

5,000 00

Rolling: Stock.

First-class locomotives

Passenger cars (6 first-class and 6 second-class cars

and combn) *.

Paymaster's car •

Baggage, mail and express cars

Box cars

Platform cars

Snow ploughs .... *

Hand cars

Wrecking car

Water Service.

Water tank at Quebec, 40,000 gallons

St. Raymond, 20,000 gallons.
" •' along line, 15,000 gallons

Workshops, "C."

Workshops at Quebec and tools, repair shop at Lake
St. John and tools, hand-car houses and wood sheds.

Engineering.

Miles location and engineering

Contingencies.

To cover right of way, omissions, terminal lands at
Lake St. John : station grounds between Lake
Simon and Lake St. John, and any other works
that may arise from the opening up of the country,
(and the consulting engineer to use his judgment as
to the distribution of the balance of this sum over
the whole work or for reclassification of material if
necessary)

$12,000 00
7,200 00
7,000 00

$12,000 00 $120,000 00

48,000 00

4,500 00

8,000 00

40,880 00

5)2,000 00

0,000 00

1,500 00

800 00

2,000 00
500 00
460 00

2,000 00
60 00

$4,000 00

2,500 00

20,000 00

$500 00

Total.

7,350 00

35,000 00

20,200 00

321,080 00

20,500 00

50,000 00

'3,500 00

301,728 52

$2,940,000 00

Note. — It is to be understood that this estimate is made for the purpose of
arriving at the value of work done ; that the above quantities are only
approximate and that any increase thereof or any omissions in the above
estimate, shall not in any way affect the obligation of the contractor, to do and
finish everything necessary for the entire completion of the railway, nor shall

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the above approximate quantities in any way bind the contractor to do more
work than the contract and specification provide for.

A. L. LIGHT,
H. J. BEEMER,
W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
Cy. TESSIER, K P.

Division of schedule of value of different descriptions of works to be done,
for facility in reference.

Particulars.

Road-becTand masonry

Rails and fastenings '

Bridging/ tracklaying and ballasting

Telegraph, sidings, stations, workshops, water-service and engineering

Rolling-stock

Contingencies g

Total.

Per mile.

$1,459,032 00
437,734 48

$9,925 00
2,980 00

201,275 00
218,550 00
321,080 00
301,728 52

1,370 00
1,485 00
2,190 00
2,050 00 i

$2,940,000 00

$20,000 00

A. L. LIGHT,
W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
Cy. TESSIER, K P.

(A true copy.)

Cy. Tessier, K P.

SCHEDULE A.

•

Schedules of values which will be assigned to the following works in th€
making up of the progress estimates alluded to in the contract to which thig
is for the purpose only of ascertaining the proportionate value of such works
as:may be executed by the contractor from time to time.

No. 1. Excavation in foundation, put into embankments, per

cubic yd 0

2. Ditching in cuttings below formation per cubic yd., earth 0

" " " rock 2

3. Off-take drains, per cubic yd 0

4. Public road crossings each, both sides ($50 each side).... 100

5. Second class masonry in Portland cement, per cubic yd.. 8

6. Canadian cement, per cubic yd 7

7. Dry retaining walls, per cubic yd... 3

40
30
50
25
00
00
00
50

8. Pine timber in beam culvert superstructures, per M.B.M.

including workmanship 30 00

9. Flatted timber in foundations, per M.B.M., including

workmanship 15 00

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10. Planks in foundations, per M.B.M., including workman-

ship 18 00

11. Paving in culverts, per cubic yd., in cement 4 00

12. Rip-rap in and around foundations, per cubic yd 2 00

13. Rip-rap on slopes, per cubic yd 2 00

14. Boulders instead of culverts placed in position, per cubic

yd 1 00

15. Fine hand laid spruce, brush laid, close 6 inches thick

per sq. yard 0 20

16. Piles driven, including timber, not less than 10 inches,

top end (part driven in ground only to measure), per

lineal foot, including timber, part in ground 0 25

17. Above ground 0 25

18. Squared merchantable pine timber in bridges, trestles, or

other structures, including workmanship, per M.B.M.,
superstructure of truss bridges not included 35 00

19. Squared merchantable spruce timber in bridges, trestles,

or other structures, including workmanship, per M.B.M. 25 00

20. Squared merchantable tamarac timber in bridges, tres-

tles, or other structures, including workmanship, per
M.B.M 30 00

21. Refined wrought iron in structure, including workman-

ship, per pound 0 10

22. Approved cast iron in structures, including workmanship,

per pound 0 06

23. Hydraulic concrete, per cubic yd 9 00

24. Best Portland hydraulic cement delivered on works, per

barrel 4 00

25. Tamarac ties 8x6x6 at narrowest part of face, per 100... 25 00

26. Hemlock ties 8x6x6 per 100 25 0(T

27. Approved ballast, including lifting, lining, &c, if found

on contract, including haul, per cubic yd 0

28. Extra haul on earth, gravel, rock, or rip-rap, beyond

limits of contract, for every additional mile per cub. yd. 0 02

29. Laying in points and crossings per set, including timber 80 00

This and the three preceding sheets from Schedule A, mentioned in and
annexed to the original of a certain contract between H. J. Beemer, Esq., and
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company,
executed at Quebec on the 10th July, 1883, before Cy. Tessier*, Notary.

W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
CY. TESSIER, KP.
(True Copy.)

SCHEDULE B.

Estimate of work required to be done between St. Raymond and Junction.

St. Raymond " Clay Cut" 2,000 yds. at 25c. per yd $500 00

Lake Sergeant " Clay Horn" 200 vds. at 25c. per yd 50 00

" " Clay Rock" 30 yds. at 25c. per yd 37 50

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No. 1 camp to tank, widening cut and ditches, St. Joseph,

at 25c. yer yd 155 00

Cattle guards at Morrisey (exclusive of timber) 20 00

Boulder cutting east of swamp, 200 yds. at 25c. per yd.... 50 00
Dry rubble masonry at St. Ambroise to protect brook, 260

yds. at $3 per yd 780 00

About 600 feet of log protection at St. Ambroise to protect
embankment and public road, say 600 feet at $1 per

foot 600 00

One week ballasting with 25 men, 150 days at $1 per day 150 00

$2,342 50

J AS. C ADM AN,
A. L. LIGHT.

This is the Schedule B mentioned in and annexed to the original of a
certain contract between H. J. Beemer, Esq., and the Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, executed at Quebec, before
Cy. Tessier, Notary, on the 10th July, 1883.

"W. WITHALL,
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
( True copy.) CY. TESSIER, N.P.

C. Tessier, N.P.

SCHEDULE C.

Quebec, 21st June, 1883.

Memorandum of office expenses, engineering, &c, to be paid by Mr. H.
J. Beemer, during the term of his contract.

Secretary and Manager, per annum $2,500

Chief Engineer 2,000

Consulting Engineer 2,000

Draughtsman 1,400

Accountant 1,800

Clerk 600

Solicitors 300

Office rent, fuel, stationery and expenses 1,000

$11,000

This is the Schedule C, mentioned in and annexed to the original of a
certain contract between H. J. Beemer, Esq, and the Quebec and Lake St^
John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, executed at Quebec on the
10th July, 1883, before Cy. Tessier, notary.

W. WITHALL,
H. J. BEEMER,
J. G. SCOTT,
CY. TESSIER, N. P.
{True Com/.)

Cy. Tessier, N.P.

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SCHEDULE D. •

Schedule of plant to be delivered by Mr. H. J. Beemer, upon the Quebec
&,Lake St. John Railway, as provided in this contract.

4 steam shovels and 3 steam boilers.

2 derricks with winches rigging (or more if required).
500 shovels.

200 picks.
20 horses. (20)
20 carts. (20)
40 dump cars.

5 lorries. •

3 steam derricks and,fittings (if work permits).
2 steam pumps.

10 construction ploughs.
20 scrapers.
100 wheel barrows.
10 frogs and switches for temporary track.

Contractor to make up to a value of $25,000 by adding axes, mattocks,
blasting apparatus and other plant. It being also understood that it shall be
permissible to him to vary the respective quantities of the foregoing articles
and to substitute others to them as occasion may require, but Avithout dimin-
ishing the total value.

This is Schedule D, mentioned in and annexed to the original of a con-
tract between H. J. Beemer, Esq, and the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company, executed at Quebec, before Cy. Tessier,
notary, on the 10th July, 1883.

W. WITHALL,
H. J. BEEMER, .
J. G. SCOTT,
Cy. TESSIER,
(True Copy.)

Cy. Tessier, K P.

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Exhibit " JS" 3, for the Crown; filed 22nd September, 1892.

G. F. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

STATEMENT OF MONEYS RECEIVED FROM THE DOMINION GOVERNMENT IN AID OF THE
QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

1883. $. cts.

Kcv. 17th, Received 32,000 . 00

1885.

May 6th, " 37,027.00

Sept. 23rd, " 38,373.00

Nov. 20th, " 27,840.00

1886.

Jan. 21st, " 24,532.00

Feb. 23rd, " 06,000.00

July 24th, " 6,000.00

Oct. 11th, " 83,688.00

Dec. 24th, " 48,747.00

" 14th, " 3,310.00

1887.

Feb. 15th, " 60,474.00

Sept. 13th, " 103,479 . 00

Oct. 24th, " 85,814.00

1888

April 10th, " ....' 42,720.00

1889.

March 1st, " 19,011.00

Oct. 26th, " 38,440.00

1891.

Jan. 16th, " 20,800.00

Feb. 16th, " 15,150.00

" 20th, " 1,400.00

" 20th, «• 26,300.00

April 30th, " (5,700.00

Oct. 21st, " 9,600.00

Nov. 16th, " 4,522.73

1892.

Jan. 30th, " 12,100.00

$844,927.73

1883.

Nov. 17th, Paid Minister of Customs

duty on rails , $7,644 . 45

Paid H. J. Beemer ... 24,355.55

1885.

May 15th, Paid Ross & Co 37,027.00

Sept. 23rd, " " 38,373.0(3

Nov. 20th, " " 27,840.00

1886.

Jan. 21st, " "- 24,532.00

Feb. 23rd, " " ...... 96,000.00

July 24th, " " 6,000.00

Oct. 11th, " " 83,688.00

Dec. 24th, " " 48,747.00

" 14th, " " 3,310.00

1887.

Feb. 15th, " " 60,474.00

Sept. 13th, " " 103,479.00

Oct. 24th, " " . 85,814.00

1888.

April 10th, " " 42,720.00

1889.

March 1st, " " 19,911.00

Oct. 26th, " " 38,440.00

1891. 'v

•Ian. 16th, " " ' 20,800.00

Feb. 16th, " '• 15,150.00

" 20th, " " 1,400.00

" 20th, " " 26,300.00

April 30th, " " 6,700.00

Oct. 21st, " " '.1,600.00

Nov. 16th, " •' 4,522.73'

1892.

Jan. 30th, " " 12,100.00

$844,927.73

Quebec, 20th September, 1892.

Exhibit " JS." 4, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAYE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. a

On this day, the seventh of January, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-eight, before Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary public for
the 'province of Quebec, Dominion of Canada, residing in the city
of Quebec, personally came and, appeared :

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorpo-
rated and having its principal place of business in the city „of
Quebec, represented in this deed by Simon Peters, of the said city

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of Quebec, Esquire, contractor and builder, Vice-President, and
James Guthrie Scott, of the same place, Esquire, Secretary of the
said company, hereunto present and specially authorized for all and
every the purposes of this deed by a resolution of this day herein
called " The Company," of the first part.

And Horace Jansen Beemer, of the city of Montreal, Esquire,
contractor, herein called "The Contractor" who hereby for the
purposes hereof makes election of domicile irrevocably at the city of
Quebec, of the second part.

Which said parties have declared, covenanted and agreed as fol-
lows, that is to say : —

Clause 1st. — The said contractor doth by these presents bind and Substan
oblige himself to and in favour of the said company for and in con- (oI»tract.
sideration of the covenants, conditions and agreements hereinafter
mentioned.

1st. To find and furnish all necessary right of way, station
grounds, tools, plants, implements and materials whatsoever, and
to locate, construct, build, complete, equip and finish in every res-
pect to the satisfaction of the company and of its engineers the
following branches or extensions of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway, viz :

First. The eastern extension of the main line from Pointe-aux- Eastern
Trembles junction to Chicoutimi (and to St. Alphonse if the extension-
subsidies are extended that far) a distance ot about sixty-four miles.

Second. A branch line from some point on the main line, to be La Tuque
selected by the company, to La Tuque on the River St. Maurice, branch,
about thirty miles.

Third. A branch line from St. Gabriel Station to the " Riviere st. Gabriel
aux Pins" settlement, about ten miles. branch.

Fourth. The western extension of the line from the point to which Western
the contractor is now building the main line, at the one hundred extellslon-
and eighty-fourth mile from Quebec, near Roberval to St. Prime, .
about twelve miles.

Together with telegraph lines, fences, station buildings and fur- Rolling .stock
niture, work shops, rolling stock and all other appurtenances as &c-
more fully detailed in the specification annexed.

2nd. To build, equip and furnish in every respect, to the satis- 2 steamers,
faction of the company, two passenger and freight steamers of plan
and dimensions to be approved by the company, the one to carry
not less than three hundred and the other not less than two
hundred passengers, and to place the former on Lake St. John,
and the latter on the River St. Maurice, to navigate between La
Tuque and the Piles ; and to build the necessary wharves and
lighthouses on Lake St. John, and wharves and beacons and buoys
on the River St. Maurice as directed by the company's engineer
to render the navigation safe.

The whole in the most substantial and workmanlike manner and Reference to
upon the terms and conditions of this present contract and in schedules-
accordance with the supplementary conditions of contract and the
two specifications which are annexed to the original hereof — and
signed by the parties and by the said notary ne varietur ; and
which document as well as the schedule of values which is also

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annexed and signed as above, shall be considered as making one
with this deed and shall be taken as together forming the contract.
Clause 2nd. — Now these presents and I the said notary are wit-
ness that this contract and undertaking is entered into by the said
parties under the following express terms and conditionss viz. : —
Direction and Clause 3rd. — All the work to be done and the materials to be
thiwork °f furnished under this contract shall be done under the direction of
the company's engineer, and subject to the approval of the con-
sulting engineer.
Eastern exten- Clause 4th. — The Chicoutimi qr eastern extension to be built in
equ!ii°t.o main* every respect equal to the main line with steel rails (Sandberg
line. inspection) (56) fifty-six pounds per yard ; all bridges over sixty

feet span to be of steel or iron, strong enough for consolidation
engines, resting on first class masonry piers and abutments ; wooden
box or wooden beam culverts to be used where embankments do
not exceed twelve feet in height, and wooden trestle or pile bridges
Branches. in places where similar works are used on the main line, between
Lake Simon and Lake St. John ; culverts to be of second class
masonry when embankments exceed twelve feet in height ; no
grade to exceed those on the main line between St. Eaymond and
Lake St. John, and no curve to exceed eight degrees ; and the
gradients and curvature to be the best the nature of the country
will permit of building at a reasonable cost, of which the consult-
ing engineer shall be the judge, all the other branches, including
the western extension from Pointe-aux-Trembles, shall be built
with fifty-six pound steel rails as above, but may have bridges with
wooden superstructure for any width of river, the abutments to be
of timber crib-work where the width of crossing is not over one
hundred feet ; above that, masonry must be used, and grades and
curvatures such as the nature of the country will permit of build-
ing at a moderate cost ; no grade to exceed one hundred and
• thirty-two feet per mile and no curve to exceed eight degrees,
except at junctions or stations or on La Tuque and St. Gabriel
branches, where curves of ten degrees may be made ; the road-bed
shall in all cases be built sufficiently high to avoid obstruction of
trains by snow.
Plans forloca- Clause 5th. Every plan or profile of location, including gradients
sSonsdf c?' an(^ curvatures, and the plans of all bridges, culverts, stations, work-
&e., to 'be ai> shops, fencing and all other structures shall be subject to the
approval of the company and of the consulting engineer and of the
board of directors, which approval shall be certified on the said
plans by the president, secretary and engineers of the company
before work thereon shall be commenced.
gp11 ditions of Clause 6th. The contractor undertakes to carry out all the con-
and LatEe^st5 ditions of the following resolutions of the Saguenay and Lake St.
John Railway John Railway Company, dated 28th July, 1889, having reference
to the eastern extension namely : —

" That the said company consents that the Dominion Govern-
ment transfer and pay to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company, the subsidy granted during the last session to the com-
pany for the building of the railway to connect the Quebec and

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Lake St. John Railway with Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, on the
following conditions, to wit — ;

1st. On condition that the said Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
way Company pay without delay to the directors of this company
the outlay incurred lyy them up to this date, the same heing esti-
mated at six thousand dollars, without obligation to furnish a
detailed^ account.

2nd. On condition that the line to be constructed shall follow as
far as possible the tracing made by the engineer of this company,
as far as Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, locating the Chicoutimi
station at the Government wharf or opposite the same at a distance
not to exceed twenty arpents ;

3rd. Conditioned that the workshops of the branch shall be
located in the town of Chicoutimi or close to its limits, and that its
general repairing work shall be done there ;

4th. Conditioned that that part of the road extending from the
junction to Port Metabetchouan be built before the first January
next, and the remainder of the road within the shortest period
possible, that is to say, within two years from the date of the
acceptance of this resolution ;

5th. Conditioned that the tariff rate for passengers and freight
be uniform, per mile, throughout the length of the said line from St.
Alphonse and Chicoutimi to Quebec ;

6th. Conditioned that a resident of Chicoutimi, to be designated
by the Bishop of Chicoutimi, shall be admitted and remain a direc-
tor of the principal Company, the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Company, and that another person, a resident of the
county, to be designated by the Bishop of Chicoutimi, shall also
be admitted a member of the board of directors of the Quebec
and James Bay Railway Company, the whole to represent the
interests of the lower part of the county, and the said repre-
sentatives shall be ordinary directors of the said companies."

Clause 7th. — The contractor agrees to build, finish and equip Stations,
a sufficient number of stations necessary for the business of the &c^&c!f &c.'
mileage hereby contracted for, not exceeding twelve in all, and
also six water tanks with pumps of the same capacity as those on
the main line.

Clause 8th. — The contractor agrees to furnish the following Rolling stock.
rolling stock for the different branches, as required by the com-
pany, and the whole not later than the date fixed for the
completion of the contract, viz. : —

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Locomotives (Consolidation, Mogul or 18 and 24 passengers

as specified by company's engineer)

Passenger cars, 1st class

do 2nd class

do sleepers

do 1st and 2nd class combined ...

Box cars

Cattle cars

Baggage, mail and express cars

Conductors' vans ,

Platform cars

Snow ploughs (wing and flanges combined)

do (flanges)

Hand cars *.

• V

*
0

£q

P«H

G
2
1
1

—

9
2
2

130

Remuneration
to Directors,
office expenses
&c, &c.

Possession of
each section
to the Co. as
soon as com
pleted with
tries.
31s1 Dec., L889
date for com
pletion of all
Lines.

Bush fires.

In addition to the above, contractors will place on the road and
deliver before the final completion of this contract, one first class
passenger car, twenty-three box cars, and eighty flat cars.

Clause 9th. — The contractor agrees to pay from and since the
10th of July, eighteen hundred and eighty-three, to each of the
directors of the company a sum of ($5) five dollars for each and
every sitting of their board at which such director has been and
will be present ; besides which, he will pay to the company, in and
by equal monthly instalments, an annual sum of six thousand
dollars as per schedule C annexed, until the completion of this con-
tract, and as long as the whole undertaking is not finally accepted
by the company's engineer, to defray salaries of engineers and
staff, secretary and office staff and expenses ; this clause, in so far as it
concerns such items of the schedule last referred to as are covered
by a similar clause in the contract of the 10th of July, eighteen
hundred and eighty-three, shall only take effect when the pay-
ments under such similar clause shall have ceased.

Clause 10th. — The contractors shall give to the company
possession of each branch or section of the roads to be built in
virtue of this contract, as soon as completed, and he shall, not later
than the 31st of December, (1889) eighteen hundred and eighty-
nine, put the company into the exclusive possession of the whole
of said roads or branches, with equipment, rolling-stock, steamers,
beacons, buoys, and everything connected therewith, as already
described.

Clause 11th. — It is hereby expressly understood that the con-
tractor must be extremely careful and take all necessary precau-
tions to avoid fires in the bush, the timber being one of the main
resources of the railway, and the clearing and burning rendered
necessary for the purposes of this contract shall be done as much
as possible during the winter season ; and the contractor shall alone
be responsible for any damage caused by any of his operations
connected with the building of said railway.

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Hucces-
Bor.

Clause 12th. — Should any disagreement or dispute arise between Disagree
the contractor and the company, or its engineers, the matter will ferred' to con-
be referred to the consulting engineer, whose decision will be final. sultm8 < ■"-'■"-

Clause 13th. — A. L. Light, Esq., is hereby appointed by the N ' . .. f
parties hereto, consulting engineer for the purposes of this contract, a. l. Light, as
and should he die, or leave the position, or be unable or unwilling Sneer^and
to act, his successor shall be mutually agreed upon by the parties, of his
and in case the latter cannot agree on the choice to be made, the
appointment shall be made by Mr. Walter Shanly, or some en-
gineer of equal standing to be selected \>y the Minister of Railways
for the Dominion of Canada.

Clause 14th. — As the company are giving to the contractor all Whatthiscon-
the subsidies, mortgages and other means by which the road is to brace. W1
be built, this contract shall embrace and the contractor shall be
bound to furnish, without extra charge, everything necessary for
the entire completion of the railway hereby contracted for and its
thorough equipment, with everything required by a railway for its
proper working and maintenance, to the satisfaction and accept-
ance of the engineers, wThether the same be specified in this con-
tract or not.

Clause 15th. The granting of the Federal subsidy will be sub- Agreements,
ject to the conditions ot an agreement, which is to be entered into cUtion Jre Fed-
between the Federal Government and the company, which agree- eral and other
ment and the conditions it will contain, the contractor binds him- sl
self to accept as well as the terms and conditions that may be
attached to any other Government or Municipal subsidy or bonus.

Clause 16th. All progress estimates made up by the company's Progress esti-
engineer under this contract, shall be so made up on the basis fc^i^madeup!
of the prices mentioned in schedule "A" annexed to the original
hereof, which prices shall be considered to be the cash value of the
different descriptions of work or materials therein named.

Clause 17th. The construction of sidings, station buildings, work- sidings, sta-
shops and telegraph lines and the furnishing of rolling stock, steamers°PS'
steamers, fences and other appurtenances in compliance with the fences, &c.&c.,
contract, shall be made at the time and place and in every respect pia^eTdeter^
as the engineers shall direct, and the whole of the above shall be mined by hi-
at the risk of the contractor until the completion of the contract, fyfT*
when they shall be delivered in perfect order to the company. 0f contractor.

Clause 18th. — Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Bonds negoti-
contract the bonds of the company shall be negotiated by the con- tractor! <*m~
tractor who, for the purposes thereof, shall have the right to select
a time or times at which such negotiations shall take place and
shall make all arrangements needed by such sale — subject only to
the restrictions hereinafter stipulated.

Clause 19th. — In consideration of the said contractor undertaking Consideration
the aforesaid engagements, according to the true intent of the pre- contract. f
sent contract, the company hereby consent to assign, transfer and
make over to him, and do undertake to give and procure to him,

FIRSTLY,

Clause 20th. — Twenty thousand dollars per mile upon the mileage $20,ooo^er
constructed in virtue of this contract in first mortgage bonds of the lillle m firat

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mortgage company, which shall rank equally on both the mainline and its
branches with those to be issued to the contractor under his contract
of the tenth July, eighteen hundred and eighty-three, with the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Com-
pamy ; the interests on the said bonds to be guaranteed and paid
by the Government of the province of Quebec, (at the expense of
the contractor, who shall deposit sufficient money with the Pro
vincial Treasurer for that purpose), to the same date as the con-
tractor has agreed to guarantee the interest on the main line bonds,

interest guar- by the terms of the last mentioned contract, also twenty thousand
dollars per mile of paid up common stock of the company, on all
mileage constructed under the present contract. Such stock to be
issued at the rate of two hundred thousand dollars for each ten
miles accepted by the Government engineers

SECONDLY.

ah promised • Clause 21st. — All the subsidies, land grants, bonuses, or muni-

suMdfeYland °iPa' subscriptions now promised or which may be hereafter voted
grants, bonu- for any of the said branches, the company undertaking to use their
tSns!bscrip best endeavours to have the said subsidies voted and increased.
Help for pro- ^n<^ snoulcl the subsidies now applied for, (viz. $3,200) three thou-
curing subsi- sand two hundred dollars per mile from the Federal Government
and ten thousand acres of land per mile from the Provincial Gov-
ernment for sixty-five miles of the Chicoutimi branch, ($3,200)
three thousand two hundred dollars per mile from the Federal
Government and 8,000 acres of land per mile from the Provincial
Government for thirty miles of the La Tuque branch ; and ($3,200)
three thousand two hundred dollars per mile from the Federal
Government and a remission of the debt of forty-eight thousand
one hundred and seventy-one dollars due to the province of Quebec
Extension of by the Quebec and Gosford Railway Company, from the Provincial
iigroadtf^" Government for ten miles of the St. Gabriel branch, not be granted
subsidies, &e., an extension of time for the completion of the mileage and not
tois^ianuary subsidized shall be granted to the contractor, but in no case shall
1892. ' this extension extend beyond the first of January, one thousand

eight hundred and ninety -two.
Payments to Clause 22nd. — Payment shall be made upon monthly progress

monthly pm- estimates made up by the company's engineer, all the cash subsidies
Bstima- and the proceeds of the land subsidies or any advances obtained
Cash subsidies thereon, shall be reserved for the making of the road-bed and the
and proceeds laying of the track. The bonds, to the extent of a sum not exceed-
oi advances ing eight thousand dollars ($8,000) per mile shall be paid to the
thereon reserv- contractor for each estimate of work done, on a percentage basis to
and track lay- be established by the company's engineer, based upon the total
Bonds to b estimated cost °f the road and equipment pro rata with the bonds
given to con to be so paid to the contractor. But until the interest upon the
[']\' ,'',' ;'.';/,'.; it bonds be guaranteed by the Government as above, not more than
and how. ($8,000) eight thousand dollars per mile of bonds to be issued.
^.ooo'nl.tiiV,,' Clause 23rd. — When the bonds are guaranteed and negotiated,

teres! beguar- the nett proceeds thereof, after paying the cost of guarantee, shall
be deposited with trustees to be mutually agreed upon and shall be

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Edgar versus Caron.
drawn monthly upon progress estimates on a percentage basis as v ", produoe

. j "i Baleol bonds

above Stated. deposited with

trusJ

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Quebec, 28th March, 1892.

Chicoutimi Extension.

Approx. estimate of work to be done according to contract
dated 7th January, 1888, between Chamber Junction and Chicou-
timi, distance 52|- miles, based on plans and profile and requisition
for work as classified in letter sent to Ottawa for approval.

Work between Metabetchouan and Chicoutimi

to be done to earn subsidies $ 831,927

To complete contract, Ballasting $ 24,000

Fencing 15,000

Buildings and tanks 21,500

Wharves and lights, Lake St. John 30,000

80^ of Rolling stock in schedule.... 128,640

80^of extra quantity in clause 8 43,334

80^ "Engineering and oflice all" say 25,000

Grading station grounds 15,000

: $ 302,484

Total cost $ 1,134,411

The amount of money required to be spent before the subsidies
can be earned will be T7^ of the total cost of the road without
allowing for contingencies. The limit of bonds to be issued lor 52
miles till the guarantee is effected .is $416,000, portions of which
are payable on monthly estimates in proportion that the amount
of work done bears the total cost of the 52 miles — and when first
part of work is finished, bonds amounting to $303,680 will be
earned.

E. A. HOARE.

Clause 2 1th. — The laying out and final location of the line of the Laying out
railways hereby contracted shall be made by competent engineer tion onine°ca"
appointed by the contractor and acting under instructions from how made.'
the consulting engineer which shall be in conformity with the con-
ditions and specifications of this contract to be entirely subject to
his and the company's approval.

Clause 25th. — It is understood and agreed between the parties Acquiring
that the right to build the branches to Chicoutimi and to La $$£$£?
Tuque, shall be acquired from the Quebec and James Bay Rail- to Chicoutimi
way Company, unless acquired by amendments to the charter as ;llldLaTuque'
hereinafter provided ; that should it be found impossible to obtain Delay granted
such right, a further delay will be accorded the contractor for the ^8^J (7if.ht
completion of those branches, equivalent to the time lost acquiring tamed,
new legislative authority to rebuild them.

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A. 1893

Eastern exten-
sion, when to
be built and
completed.

Legislative au-
thority to be
obtained for
construction
of La Tuque
and Chicouti-
mi branches,
and also to St.
Alphonse and
to Riviere
aux Pins from
St. Gabriel.
Also to extend
west towards
Lake Abittibi
&c, &c.
For increasing
capital stock
of company
and for issuing
this stock to
contractor as
paid up stock.
For issuing
debenture
stock.

Until this is
obtained
bonds of
clause 20th
not to be is-
sued, and if
not obtained
contract null
and void.
Option of con-
tractor to ex-
tend from St.
Prime west-
ward.

I f approxi-
mate mileage
be more or
Less.

[f the a. L.

Tr. Co., fail to
complete road
from Pointe
:iux Trembles,
.1 une to the
is it I. \l. fr.

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on t he

iben ;il ex
tension, con-
t ractor t< <
build it wine
nol tfied withi

L2 IllOUt lis

Clause 26th. — It is agreed that the construction of the eastern
extension to Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse snail be proceeded with
as required by the aforementioned resolutions of the Saguenay
and Lake St. John Railway Company, that is to say, the work
shall be commenced at Pointe aux Trembles Junction and com
pleted as far as the Metabetchouan by the 31st of August next,
and shall be continued -from the Metabetchouan towards Chicou-
timi in such a manner as to comply with the said resolutions.

Clause 27th. — It is understood and agreed that at the next
Session of the Provincial Legislature, authority will be asked by
the company to build the branches to La Tuque and to Chicoutimi
and St. Alphonse, and from St. Gabriel Station to the Riviere aux
Pins settlement ; also for permission to extend the railway west-
ward towards Lake Abittibi, northward through Roberval and
St. Prime, towards the St. James Bay frontier of the province,
and eastward towards Hamilton inlet and the Atlantic coast, and
to place steamers on Lake St. John, the river St. Maurice, Sague-
nay and St. Lawrence, and to navigate the same ; and also to in
crease the capital stock of the company to the extent of twenty
thousand dollars per mile upon the mileage hereby contracted for
and to issue such stock as paid-up stock to the contractor in pay
ment of the work done under this contract, as hereinbefore ex
pressed ; and to issue bonds or debentures stock to the extent of
twenty thousand dollars per mile upon the mileage hereby con-
tracted for, which bonds or debenture stock will rank equally with
the bonds to be issued on the main line, and until such Legislative
authority is obtained, the bonds and stock referred to in clause 20
shall not be issued. And if the authority of the Legislature neces-
sary to carry out the present contract be not obtained this con;
tract shall be null and void, without claim for indemnity on either
side.

Clause 28th. — It is agreed that the contractor shall have the
option, until the thirty-first of December, eighteen hundred and
ninety-five, to extend the western extension from St. Prime further
westward as subsidies may be obtained to do so, upon the same
terms and conditions as above stated.

Clause 29th. It is understood that if the approximate mileage of
any of the lines hereby contracted for should be found to be greater
or less to reach termini named, the work shall nevertheless be
completed tothe point named and the payments of bonds, stock and
subsidies shall be made to the contractor for the actual mileage built.

Clause 30th. It is understood and agreed between the parties
that if the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and
Trading Company shall fail to complete that portion of the railway
between Pointe aux Trembles junction and the one hundredth and
eighty -fourth mile' from Quebec on the Roberval or Western exten-
sion, ii distance of about seven miles, then the said contractor will
build, complete and equip the same distance within twelve months
from the receipt by him of a notification from the company, calling
upon the said contractor to begin the work on the said mileage, in
consideration of the bonds, stock and subsidies which may be appli-
cable to the same.

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Clause 31st. The contractor further undertakes to pay the company Oontwotor. to
out of the proceeds of the bonds, when sold, the sum of thirteen SSotodefray'"
thousand dollars ($13,000) to defray the debts of the company. their debt

Clause 32nd. It is understood and agreed that this contract shall confimed—if
be subject to the approval and confirmation of the shareholders and not» tobenulL
bondholders of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
entitled to vote at general meeting to be held for that purpose or
at the annual general meeting of the company. And should such
approval or confirmation not then be granted, this contract shall be
cancelled without claim for indemnity on either side.

Clause 33rd. Out of the proceeds of sale of the first issue of bonds Deposit of
under this contract, there shall be deposited in the Quebec Bank Quebec Bank,
a sum of two hundred thousand dollars, in payment of any liability j? payment of
to the bank, of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, presentorpast
for which the directors past or present or the heirs or assigns of directors,
any of them are personally liable or such less sum if any as may be
due to the bank, provided that such deposit, if made, shall extin-
guish all obligations of the contractor as, secured by him under the
49th clause of the contract of the tenth July, eighteen hundred and
eighty-three, between the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company and Horace J. Beemer.

Thus done and executed at Quebec, on the day of any year first
above written under the number seven thousand three hundred and
eighty-five of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.
In witness whereof the said parties have signed with the said
notary after the reading done.

SIMON PETERS,

Vice-President.
J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

H. J. BEEMER,
CY. TESSIER, N. P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.
One word erased is null and one marginal note good.

CY. TESSIER, N.P.

SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS OF CONTRACT.

1st. The specifications, bill of works, schedules of values and all other
documents annexed to the original of this contract and the several parts and
clauses of this present deed shall be taken together to explain each other and
to make the whole consistent ; should any work, material or thing of any
description whatsoever be omitted from the bill of works, schedules, specifica-
tions or contract, which, in the opinion of the engineers, is necessary or
expedient to be executed, the contractor shall, notwithstanding the said omis-
sion, upon receiving written directions from the company's engineer, perform
the same.

_°j .'•l.T.li 2nd. The progress measurement and progress certificate shall not in any
respect be taken as an acceptance of the work or release of the contractor
from his responsibility in respect thereof, but he shall at the conclusion of the

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work deliver over the same in good order, according to the true intent and
meaning of the contract and specifications and to the satisfaction of the
engineers.

3rd. The contractor shall employ as many competent agents and foremen
on the whole works as may be considered requisite by the engineer, and the
said foreman shall be regularly and constantly present on the works, for the
purpose of effectually overseeing the same, but the instructions of the engineer
shall be given to the contractor, his superintendent or engineer.

4th. The contractor is bound by the general conditions of the specifica-
tions to provide all proper tools and plant, including engines and rolling stock
necessary for the execution of the work, and is responsible for the sufficiency
of the same ; he must also take upon himself the entire responsibility of the
temporary work and all other means used for the fulfilment of the contract,
whether such means may or may not be approved of or recommended by the
engineer, and the contractor must run all risks of accidents from whatsoever
cause they may arise until the completion of the contract.

5th. The contractor shall, subject to the approval of the engineer as to the
same, but at his own cost, make all the necessary temporary provision during
the progress of the works for land owners crossing the line of railway and he
shall provide the necessary accommodation for the passage of the public at
the intersection of public roads. He shall also, at his own cost, make such
provision until the fences be erected as may be necessary to prevent the stray-
ing of cattle where the fields and settlements are entered upon.

6th. The contractor shall be responsible for all damages to land-owners
and others, arising from the loss of crops or injury thereto, respectively
sustained from any cause or thing connected with the construction of the work
or through any of his agents or workmen, and he shall be responsible for all
damages which may be done to property or persons through the blasting of
rocks or other operations carried on by him, and he must assume all the risks
or contingencies, whether from fire, water or any other cause whatever that
may arise during the progress of the works ; and he must make good, at his
own cost/ any defects or failures, whether from negligence on the part of
himself or workmen, or from bad workmanship or from the use of improper
materials, and he shall hold harmless and indemnify the company of and from
any claims, losses, or damages in respect thereof, and he, the contractor, shall,
at his own expense, make such temporary provisions as may be necessary for
the protection of persons or of lands, buildings or any other property or for
the uninterrupted enjoyment of all rights of persons or corporations in and
during the performance of the works.

7th. The contractor shall not permit, allow or encourage the sale of any
spirituous liquors on or near the line of railway.

8th. "No work whatever shall at any time or place be carried on during
the Sunday, and the contractor shall take all the necessary steps for prevent-
ing any foreman or agent, or men, from working or employing others on that
day, except when unavoidably required.

9th. The contractor shall, by himself, his agents or workmen, faithfully
carry on the works until completion, and no sub-contract, assignment or
transfer shall in any way be recognized.

10th.. Should the contractor become insolvent or bankrupt, or so embar-
rassed in circumstances as to be unable in the opinion of the company properly
to proceed under the contract, the company shall be at liberty to cancel the
contract.

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11th. Any notice or other matter under or connected with the contract
served on the contractor either at his usual domicile or by being addressed to
him at Quebec by mail shall be deemed legally served.

12th. If, at any time, it may appear to the engineer that the security of
the work is endangered or the peace of the neighbourhood is likely to be dis-
turbed or any other difficulty likely to arise by the reason of the men being
left unpaid, the company may pay any arrears of wages so far as they may
ascertain the same as a pa}7ment on account of the contract.

13th. The contractor shall perform and execute all work required to be
performed under the contract in a good, faithful, substantial and workmanlike
manner, and in strict accordance with the plans and specifications thereof, and
with such instructions and additional plans as may be from time to time given
by the engineer ; and shall be under the direction and constant supervision of
such assistant engineers and inspectors as may be appointed. All the works
are to be executed and materials supplied to the engineer's entire satisfaction.

14th. Should any difference arise between the company's engineer and
the contractor as to the meaning of specifications, conditions or plans or con-
tract, as to anything arising out of any of them, or as to any rights of any of
the parties under any of them, the same is to be decided by the consulting
engineer for the time being, who is to be the sole judge thereof, and whose
decision thereon is to be final and binding on all the parties and is not to be
subject to any appeal or petition or legal adjudication of any kind. The powers
of the consulting engineer above given extend to all questions as to the mean-
ing of the specifications, conditions, plans or contract or as to points not pro-
vided for or not sufficiently explained in any of them, or as to the quantity or
quality of work or material or as to the right of the contractor to any moneys,
stock or bonds. But this enumeration of some of the powers of the consulting
engineer is not to be read as having the effect of, in any wise, limiting or
contracting the powers conferred upon him by the general language of this
clause, and which powers are of such nature and extent as to enable him to
investigate and adjudicate upon any and all differences and claims Which may
hereafter arise out of the said contract.

15th. The term " Engineer" made use of in the specifications and contract,
means "The engineer in chief of the company" or some one of his assistants
acting under his authority and instructions ; and all instructions or directions,
judgments or decisions given, or power exercised by any one acting for the
engineer in chief, or under his authority, will be subject to his approval.

16th. Time shall be deemed to be of the essence of this contract.

The above is the supplementary conditions of contract mentioned in a
certain contract between the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company
and Horace J. Beemer, executed before Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the
seventh January, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-eight, to the original
of which contract this schedule, called supplementary conditions of contract,
prepared by A. L. Light, consulting engineer, undersigned, is remaining
annexed.

A. L. LIGHT,

SIMON PETERS, Vice-president,
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary,
H. J. BEEMER,
. CY. TESSIER, K P

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

CY. TESSIER, 1ST. P.
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Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,
General Specification for the Construction of the Work.

1. This specification refers to all works of construction and materials in
making, building and equipping the railway and comprising clearing, close-
cutting, grubbing, fencing, excavation, draining, ditching, foundation works
culverts, bridging, rails and fastenings, rolling stock, stations, workshops,
sidings and all other works connected with the construction and completion oJ
the line of railway to which the engineer may consider this specification to be
applicable.

Clearing, &c.

2. Where the railway passes through wooded sections, the land must
be cleared to the width of fifty feet on each side of the entire line, or such
greater or lesser width as the engineer may direct, and must be entirely com
pleted before grading is begun. Clearing may, at first, be made only sixty-six
feet wide or as much wider as the embankment may necessitate ; and the
contractor will be allowed until the completion of his contract to make them
the full width of one hundred feet, so that he may thus be able to get the value
of the wood on the extra width in so far only, however, as the company may
have the right of property in such wood.

3. The clearing is to be done so that all the brush, logs and other loose
materials within its limits shall be burned. In no case shall any of the brush
or logs be cast back upon the adjacent timber lands ; they must invariably be
made into piles near the centre of the space to be cleared, and there entirely
consumed ; all brush or trees accidentally or otherwise thrown into adjacent
woods, must be dragged out and burned. The land, when cleared, must be
left in a clean condition and the contractor will be held responsible for all
damage to crops and timber.

4. Where embankments are to form less than four feet and more than two
feet in height, all the standing timber and stumps must be chopped close to
the ground within the limits of the embankment and burned.

5. Where excavations do not exceed three feet in depth, or embank-
ments two feet in height, all stumps must be grubbed out and, if possible,
burnt; those that will not burn, must be carried beyond the limits of the
cuttings and embankments, where directed, and there piled. Direction ' will
be given at the proper time as to the extent of ground required to be cleared,
close-cut and grubbed. The side-ditching and oft-take drains must also be
grabbed; no grubbing in borrowing . pits will be allowed for in progress
estimates.

Fencing.

The fence shall be strong and built of steel barbed-wire. There will be
four lines of steel barbed-wire fastened to cedar posts 6 inches in diameter and
eight feet long, set at least four feet in the ground and ten feet apart. The
fence to be covered with a spruce batten or board 6 x 2 inches, which will
cover the top of the post.

7. The farm gates will be strong, of an approved design and made
according to directions.

8. The fencing to be thoroughly completed through all the cleared
ands, and wherever it may be directed to be placed by the engineer.

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9. In wood land, the grading will be commenced after the clearing,
close-cutting and grubbing is completed to the satisfaction of the engineer.

10. The width of embankment at sub-tirade or formation-level, will be
fifteen feet, the width of earth cuttings will not be less than 24 feet, and rock
cuttings 20 feet. The slopes of earthwork will generally be made one and
a half horizontal to one perpendicular. In rock-cuttings, the slopes will be, as
a rule, one horizontal to four perpendicular. In cutting partly earth and
partly rock, a berme of six feet shall be left on the surface of the rock. The
widths, slopes and other dimensions above defined, may be varied by the
engineer at any time, to suit circumstances.

11. The material to be placed in the embankment, must be approved by
the engineer; and in places where the natural surface of the ground upon
which the embankment is to rest is covered with vegetable matter
which cannot be burned off in clearing, and which would in the opinion of
the engineer impair the work, the same must be removed to his entire satis-
faction, all sloping ground covered with pasture shall be deeply ploughed over
the base of the embankments before the latter are commenced.

12. In level sections it will be necessary to excavate off-take ditches for
considerable distances to the right or left of the line These ditches will
generally be required in the lowest ground. Ditches will also be taken down
below the road-bed in wide cuttings for the purpose of perfect drainage. These
and the off-take ditches must be of such widths and depths as required and
directed. The sides shall be sloped one vertical to two horizontal, and the
material shall be cast out so as to leave a berme of at least six feet between
the deposit and the top of the slopes for the off-take ditches, and the material
removed entirely from ditches in cuttings.

13. On the completion of the line cuttings, side ditches, as provided for
in the bill of works, for the removal of surface water, shall be formed along
each side of bottom of the slope, in cuttings according to directions to be given.
Catch-water ditches shall also be formed some distance back from the top of the
slopes, to exclude from the excavation any water flowing from the adjoining
lands. The contractor shall also construct all other drains and ditches which
the engineer may deem necessary for the perfect drainage of the railway and
works.

14. All open ditches in cuttings or elsewhere, other than those referred
to in clause twelve, and all excavations required for turning, making or
changing water sources, and which must be executed as may from time to
time be directed, will be measured up and valued in progress estimates as
excavation according to its class ; and all other excavations, side-ditches and
borrowing pits or grading depot grounds, turn-outs or branches, and so much
of foundation pits for culverts as are not under the level of the water, shall be
considered as a necessary part of the excavation for the formation of a road-
way and must be executed and the material deposited in the embankment
according to the directions of the engineer and will be valued at the same rate
per yard as the ordinary excavation, according to its class. In foundation pits
where pumping or baling becomes necessary, all the excavations under water
level shall be measured and reckoned at three times the prices of earth exca-
vation in progress estimates.

15th. Excavation will be classed under two heads, viz : solid rock and
earth, and will be valued in progress estimates according to the following defi-
nitions : 1st. All stones and boulders measuring more than fifteen cubic feet,
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excavations of whatever kind, with the exception of off-take ditches and deep
ditches in wide cuttings, referred to in clause 12, shall be termed earth excava-
tion. A reclassification can be made for builders en masse or hard pan when,
in the opinion of the engineer, the work bears too heavily on the contractor
and when the price of ordinary earth work does not give fair compensation for
work done.

16. The schedule of values for these several classes of excavation shall be
taken to include the whole cost of hauling, spreading, trimming slopes, &c,
&c, in all cases.

17. The embankments must be made to such sufficient height and width
as will allow for the subsidence of the same, so that on being trimmed they
will stand at full dimensions specified in clause 10, or at such heights, levels,
widths and forms as may be directed by the engineer, the upper surfaces of
the banks to be rounded so as to throw off the water.

18. The whole of the grading shall be carefully formed to the levels
given, and the road-way in cuttings shall invariably be rounded and left six
inches lower at the side than on the centre lines. In rock cuttings it will be
sufficient to form a water channel about two feet wide and eight inches deep
along each side. All materials found in excavations, whether in road-bed,
cuttings, ditches, water channels, road-crossings, borrowing pits or elsewhere,
must be deposited in such places as the engineer may direct. In cases where
the road-bed excavations are insufficient to form the embankments, the
deficiency shall be supplied by widening the cuttings, and from the side
ditches, first, and afterwards from borrowing pits : but no material shall be so
supplied without his concurrence, and not until the cuttings and ditches are
completed. All borrowing pits shall, if required by the engineer, be dressed
to a good shape and properly drained. Where material to make up embank-
ments is taken from the sides of the embankment, a berme of at least 4 feet
from bottom of slope of embankment and fence shall remain untouched, the
slopes in all cases being left not less than 1J horizontal to one perpendicular.
Borrowing pits shall be provided by the contractor at his own cost, and no
allowance will be made for hauling from borrowing pits into embankment.

19. Where the excavation ?n a cutting exceeds what may be required to
make the embankments of the specified width, the engineer may direct that
the embankment be increased in width with the surplus material ; and when
this is done to his satisfaction, the remainder, if any, may be wasted, but in
every case where either borrowing or wasting is resorted to, the materials
must be taken and deposited as he may regulate and direct.

20. In case where walls or rip-rapping will be required for the protection
of embankments contiguous to streams, all stone suitable for this work found
in excavations may be removed and deposited in some convenient place until
required ; and all good building stone which may be found in rock excavations
may, with the approval of the engineer, be preserved and piled along the side
of the line as directed. But any material so found and used will not be valued
twice, the quantity, if considerable, will form a deduction from the quantity
of excavation as measured in the cutting.

21. Rip-rap work whenever required and ordered for the protection of
slopes and embankments, must be well and carefully performed, in such
manner and of such thickness as may be directed. It will be measured and
valued by the cubic yard.

22 Roads constructed to and from any point on the line of railway for
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must be at his own risk, cost and charges, and he must pay for the use of the
land for the same.

23. Wherever the line is intersected by public or private roads, the
contractor must keep open, at his own cost, convenient passing places ; and he
shall be held responsible for keeping all crossings during the progress of the
works, in such condition as will enable the public to use them with perfect
safety, and such as will give rise to no just ground for complaint. The
contractor will be held liable for any damages from negligence on his part or
that of his men. At all public roads crossed on the level, the contractor
will be required to put in two substantial cattle guards of wood of such
dimensions as may be directed by the engineer. Also sign-boards similar to
those used on the main line. Farm crossings must be made up of earth with
large box culverts under them for the passage of water, or they may have to
be on bents and stringers and planked. They must be built according to the
directions of the engineer, and the timber used must be of a desirable kind
and approved of him.

24. The contractor shall, before the whole work is finally accepted, finish
up cuttings and embankments, and complete all drainage, dress and drain
borrowing pits when, required, dress slopes to the required angles, repair all
damages by frost or other causes, and complete everything connected with the
grading of the road-bed, &c, in a creditable and workmanlike manner, in
accordance with the directions and to the satistaction of the engineer.

25. The measurement of quantities shall invariably be made in excava-
tions, unless in special cases, if any, where this may be. found impossible; in
such cases, the engineer shall determine the quantities in embankment, after
making all proper allowances, of which he shall be the judge.

26. The considerations stipulated in the contract must be understood to
cover every contingency, the furnishing of all labour, material, power and plant,
engines and rolling stock, the cost of furnishing up cuttings and embankments
and drainage channels, the dressing and draining of borrowing pits when
required, the dressing of slopes to the required angle, and the completing of
everything connected with the grading of road-bed in a creditable and work-
manlike manner, in accordance with the directions and to the katisfaction of
the engineer.

Timber Structures.

27. Cattle guards and the superstructure of culverts must be built of good
merchantable white pine or tamarack timber, free from large knots, splits or
other defects and sawn to correct dimensions. The ties to be of sawn tamarack
or pine.

The structure for the passage of steamers in banks twelve feet high or
under will be built of good sound pine, tamarack or cedar timber, character
and quality to be approved by the engineer ; where the grading is light and
where tamarack is scarce, spruce can be used at the direction of the company's
engineer for culverts where embankments do not exceed three feet in height.
When the size of steamers or other circumstances require the adoption of
trestle work or pine bridging, the same shall be erected in the most sub-
stantial manner in accordance with the plans and specifications of the same to
be furnished from time to time b}^ the engineer and with material subject to
his approval.

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Foundations.

28. Foundation pits must be sunk to such depths as the engineer may
deem proper for the safety and permanency of the structure to be erected, and
must in all cases be sunk to such depths as will prevent the structure being
acted on by the frost ; and the material excavated therefrom to be deposited
in embankments, unless the engineer directs otherwise.

Masonry.

29. In order to prevent delay in track-laying, it may be expedient to build
temporary structures of timber before masonry is commenced or during its pro-
gress. If required, the contractor must do this work according to the engineer's
directions, masonry culverts or dry drains to be used where embankments
exceed twelve feet in height, except where steamers are large and require
trestles or truss bridges.

30. The masonry shall not be started at any point before the foundation
has been properly prepared nor until it has been examined and approved by
the engineer nor until the contractor has provided a sufficient quantity of
proper materials and plans to enable the work to be proceeded with regularly
and systematically. \

31. The stone used in all masonry on the line of railway must be of a
durable character, large, well proportioned and well adapted for the con-
struction of substantial and permanent structures.

32. Culvert masonry, whether of cement or dry, shall be built of good,
sound, large flat bedded stones laid in horizontal beds. It may be known as
second class masonry. The stones employed in this class, of masonry will
generally be not less in area of bed than three superficial feet, nor less than
six inches, and they must be hammer-dressed so as to give good beds to half
inch joints ; all stones must be laid on their natural beds.

33rd. Headers shall be built in the wall, from front to back, at least one
every five feet, in line of wall and frequently in the rise of wall. The minimum
breadth of bed allowed for stretchers shall be twelve inches. In the large
structures all stones must be heavier in proper portion. Every attention must
be paid to produce a perfect bond and to give the whole a strong, neat, work-
manlike finish, the vertical joints being dressed back from the face eight
inches, and they must overlap 10 inches.

34th. The walls of the box culverts will be finished with stones the full
thickness of wall and the covers will be fifteen inches thick or more according
to the span ; they must have a bearing of at least twelve inches on each wall,
and must be punched on their side bearings and fitted sufficiently close
together to entirely prevent the earth from falling through.

35th. The bottoms of culverts will be paved with stones set on edge, to a
moderately even face, packed solid. The paving will be from two to sixteen
inches deep.

36th. Masonry shall be formed dry or laid in Portland cement mortar as
'•in mi instances may determine. In dry masonry special regard must be paid
to the stone being massive and well proportioned.

37th. Mortar shall be of hydraulic Portland cement.

38th. The Portland cement must be fresh ground, of the brands to be
approved by the engineer, and it must be delivered on the ground, and
kept, till used, in good order. Before being used, satisfactory proof must be

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afforded the engineer of its hydraulic properties, as no inferior cement will be

allowed.

39th. The Portland cement must be thoroughly incorporated with
approved proportions of clean, large-grained, sharp sand. The general
proportions may be one part of cement to two parts of saud, but this may be
yaried. Mortar will only be made as required and it must be prepared and
used under the immediate direction and to the satisfaction of an inspector by
contractor's men, failing which, the inspector may employ other men to
prepare the mortar, and any expense incurred thereby shall be borne by the
contractor. Grout shall be formed by adding a sufficient quantity of water to
well-tempered and well-proportioned mortar.

40th. When mortar is used, every stone must be set in a full bed and.
beaten solid ; the vertical joints must be flushed up solid, and every course
must be perfectly level and thoroughly grouted.

41st. All masonry must be neatly and skilfully pointed, but if done out of
season, or if from any other cause it may require repointing before the expira-
tion of the contract, the contractor must make good and complete the same at
his own cost. Work left unfinished in the autumn must be properly protect-
ed during the winter by the contractor, at his risk and cost.

42nd. After the masonry of a structure has been, completed for a period of
lour or five weeks, the formation of the embankment around it may be pro-
ceeded with. The earth must be carefully punned in thin layers around the
walls and in this manner the filling must be carried on simultanously on both
sides. The contractor must be extremely careful in forming the embank-
ments around culverts as he will be held liable for any damages to the struc-
tures that may arise. The punning must be carefully attended to, and the
whole filling must invariably be done in uniform courses from the bottom to
the top of the embankment without loading one side of the masonry more
than another.

The above is one of the specifications mentioned in a certain contract
between the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company and Horace J.
Beemer, before Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the 7th of January, eighteen
hundred and eighty-eight, to the original of which contract this is remaining
annexed.

A. L. LIGHT,
SIMON PETERS,

Vice-President.
J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.
H. J. BEEMER,
CY. TESSIER, N.P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

CY. TESSIER, N.P.

GENERAL SPECIFICATION FOR TRACK LAYING, BALLASTING,
RAILS, BUILDINGS AND EQUIPMENT. ,

This work will be done directly under the orders of the company's track-
master.

1st. The work of track laying and ballasting will embrace all engines, cars
and plant, and all labour and tools required for loading, unloading and distri-
buting rails, joint fastenings, spikes, points and crossings and sleepers or cross

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ties ; laying, lifting, centreing, lining and surfacing the track, also for making
road to ballast pits and laying all service tracks ; for getting, loading, handling
and unloading the ballast, placing the same on the road-bed and trimming it
up.

Track Laying.

2nd. The rails shall be laid to a gauge of 4 feet 8 J inches clear between the
rails, and they shall be well and carefully fastened at the joints, special care
must be taken at points and crossings to have the rails laid to a tight gauge,
the rails must be full spiked, and on curves the outer rails shall be elevated.
The rails shall be handled with great care, and before being ran over by either
engines or cars they shall be full sleepered and surfaced ; every precaution
shall be taken to prevent them getting bent during the progress of the
ballasting. Upon all curves the rails must be properly bent and fitted to
templates of the required curvature. Before being laid on all portions of the
work the rails will be laid, unless otherwise directed by the engineer, broken
joints, the ends of opposite rails shall not rest on the same tie, but one half
the length of the rail either back or forward. The contractor will be held
responsible for any bending, injury to or breakage of the rails until the final
acceptance of his work, and the damage, if any, to the rails will be established
by the engineer and the amount will be deducted from the amount of his
contract. The rails, fastenings and the track laying will be entirely under
the control of the engineer.

3rd. The sleepers or cross-ties must be of sound tamarack, hemlock or cedar
timber, but not over twenty-five per cent, to be cedar, smoothly hewn, free
from all score hacks, and chopped or sawn square at the ends, 8 feet long,
flatted on two opposite sides to a uniform thickness of six inches, the flatted
surface being not less than six inches on either side at the small end. They
must be placed as near as possible at uniform distances apart, of two feet
centres, and at right angles to the rails. " Joint sleepers" must have both
upper and under surface bearing, at their smallest end, of at least 10 inches.

4th. The contractor shall lay all sidings complete, embracing wing and
jack-rails, head blocks, switch and signal frames, lamps and gearing, and he
shall remove from the track and straighten all bent and damaged rails, and
make good all injuries done before the works are finally accepted, and further
he will be held responsible for all materials provided him, and give a receipt
for the same upon taking delivery. Track laying shall include the supplying,
furnishing and laying plank, including spikes for the same, on public and
private road- crossings, distributing rails, rail-fastenings, spikes, points and
crossings, ties, laying the same on main track and sidings and centreing, lining
and surfacing ; track laying will be paid for the lineal mile 5,280 feet.

Ballasting.

5th. The land for ballast-pits and approaches thereto will be furnished by
the contractor and be approved of by the engineer ; in selecting land for the
purpose, a preference will always be given to those points where the best
materials can be procured, having due regard to the convenience of the
contractor. During the working of any pit, should the material be found unfit
for ballasting, the engineer shall have power to compel the contractor to close
such pit and open others.

6th. The surface of ballast-pits shall be stripped of soil where such exists,
and no material whatever shall be placed on the road-bed but good clean

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gravel, free from earth, clay, loam, or loamy sand. No large stone shall be
allowed. The maximum size of gravel must not be greater in diameter than
three inches. The track must be raised so that there will be an averaged
depth of six inches beneath the sleepers, and the ballast must be well beaten
and packed under and around them. As the raising proceeds, the end of the
lift shall extend over not less than three rails lengths, and before trains are
allowed to pass over the inclined portion of track, it must be made
sufficiently solid to prevent bending the rails or twisting the rail-joints.
After the lift, the track shall be centred, lined, topped, surfaced and trimmed
off to a proper form and width.

7th. In wet cuttings or where the foundations are too much affected by
frost or water, the engineer shall have power to direct a greater thickness of
ballast should it be deemed necessary.

8th. The contractor shall keep all public and private road-crossings in a
safe and serviceable condition during the progress of- the work, leaving them
well and properly planked inside and outside of the rails, and gravelled to a
depth of at least ten inches for a distance of fifty feet on both sides of the
track.

9th. The track shall be left by the contractor with everything complete
and well surfaced. The ballast shall be dressed off to the form required, and
the whole shall be executed according to the directions and to the approval of
the engineer or other officer duly appointed.

10th. The contractor shall be paid in progress estimates by the cubic
yard for all ballast put into track, the measurement to be made in the pit or
excavation, and the price per cubic yard to cover the cost of laying tracks to
the pit, stripping the ground, excavating, handling, hauling, putting the
ballast on the road-bed, and neatly trimming it off to the proper form.

11th. The rails shall be of the best English steel, 56 pounds per yard,
inspected during and after manufacture, and approved by L. P. Sandberg,
with half angle and half plain fish-plates, specification and brand to be subject
to the approval of the engineer, as well as the bolts and spikes required.

13th. All bridges over 60 feet span shall be of iron or steel, except on the
branches otherwise specified in clause 4th of the contract, and all spans 60 feet
and under may be of wood. All bridges shall be adapted to carry "consolida-
tion engines." Spans 60 feet or under may rest on pine or tamarack or cedar
abutments. Plans, specifications and tests to be subject to the approval of
the engineer. Bridges shall be painted with fire-proof paint, which shall be
renewed until completion of road as often as engineer may direct.

14th. A telegraph line to be built along the whole length of the railway
in a solid and substantial manner, with heavy cedar poles and with tne neces-
sary instruments at all stations. The line to be built in such a manner as to
conform to the terms of the company's contract with the Montreal Telegraph
Company, who furnish the wire and stretch and plant the poles.

15th. Sidings to the extent of five per cent, of the whole length of the
railway to be furnished by the contractor where directed.

The above is one of the specifications mentioned in a certain contract
between the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company and Horace J.

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Beemer, executed before Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the seventh of
January, eighteen hundred and eighty-eight, to the original of which contract
it is remaining annexed.

A. L. LIGHT,
SIMON PETERS,

Vice-President.

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

H. J. BEEMER,
CY. TESSIER,

Notary Public.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

CY. TESSIER,

Notary Public,

The schedule applies to the Chicoutimi Extension and to all branches.

Schedule of values which will be assigned to the following work in the
making up of the progress estimates alluded to in contract to which this is
annexed and for the purpose only of ascertaining the proportionate value'of
such works as may be executed by the contractor from time to time.

Prices at which the following works will be executed if ordered ; and it
is agreed that they will be subject to all the conditions of, and form part of the
contract.

No. 1. Excavation in foundation, put into embankment, per

cubic yd 0 40

2. Ditching in cuttings below formation, per cubic yd. Earth 0 30

"' " Rock 1 60

3. Off-take drains, per cubic yd 0 25

4. Public road crossings, each both sides 100 00

5. Second class masonry, in Portland cement, per cubic yd. 8 00

u " Canadian cement, per cubic yd

6. Dry retaining walls, per cubic yd 3 50

7. Pine timber in beam culverts superstructures, per M.B.M.,

including workmanship 30 00

8. Flatted timber in foundations, per M.B.M., including

workmanship 15 00

9. Planks in foundations, per M.B.M., including workman-

ship ; 18 00

10. Paving in culverts, per cubic yd., in cement 4 00

11. Riprap in and around foundations, per cubic yd 2 00

12. Riprap of slopes, per cubic yd 2 00

13. Boulders instead of culverts, placed in position, per

cubic yd 1 00

14. Fine hand laid spruce brush and poles 1 foot thick, per

square yard. 20

15. Piles driven, including' timber not less than 10 inches

top end, (part driven in ground only to measure) per

lineal foot, including timber, part in ground

do above 25

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16. Square merchantable pine timber in bridges, trestles or

other structures, including workmanship, per M.B.M.,
superstructure of truss bridges not included 35 00

17. Squared merchantable spruce timber in bridges, trestles

or other structures, including workmanship, per M.B.M 25 00

18. Squared merchantable tamarack timber in bridges, trestles

or other structures, including workmanship, per M.B.M 30 00

19. Refined wrought iron structures, including workman-

ship, per fib 0 10

20. Approved cast iron in structures, including workmanship,

per fib 0 06

21. Hydraulic concrete, per cubic yd 9 00

22. Best Portland hydraulic cement, delivered on the works,

per barrel 4 00

23. Tamarack ties 8x6x6 at narrowest part of face, per 100.. 25 00

24. Hemlock ties 8x6x6 per 100 25 00

25. Approved ballast, including lifting, lining, &c, if found

on contract, including haul/per cubic yd 30

26. Extra haul on earth, gravel, rock, or riprap, beyond

limits of contract, for every additional mile, per

cubic yd 0 02

27. Laying in points and crossings, per set, including timber 80 00

And in case this tender shall be accepted, the undersigned hold

sel ready to enter into contract for the due execution

and completion of the work, or so much thereof as may be required, and to
comply with the 28th clause of the contract with regard to the money
deposited ; and offer as sureties for the carrying out of all the conditions, as
well as for the due fulfilment of the contract, the two persons who have signed
their names to this tender for that purpose.

Actual signatures, ^

Occupations and residences >
of parties tendering. J

Signatures and residences of securities.

Dated at the day of 188 -

This is the schedule of values mentioned in a certain contract between
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company and Horace J. Beemer,
before Cy. Tessier, notary, at Quebec, on the seventh of January, eighteen
hundred and eighty eight, to the original of which contract this schedule
in remaining annexed.

A. L. Light, Consulting Engineer.

Simon Peters, Vice President.

J. G. Scott, Secretary.

H. J. Beemer,

Cy. Tessier, Notary Public.

True Copy.

Cy. Tessier, Notary Public.

491

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

SCHEDULE C.

Quebec.

Memorandum of office expenses, engineering, &c, to be paid by Mr.
H. J. Beemer, during tbe term of his contract : —

Secretary $1,500

Chief Engineer 1,000

Consulting Engineer 1,000

Proportion of, say, J of Clerk's salary 600

Proportion of Attorney, say 100

Proportion of office rent, stationery, say. 300

Shorthand copyist 500

Draughtsmen 1,000

$6,000

This is the schedule " C," mentioned in and annexed to the original of a
certain contract between H. J. Beemer, Esquire, and the Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway Company, executed at Quebec on the 7th January, 1888, before
Cy. Tessier, ISTotary.

A. L. Light, Consulting Engineer.
Simon Peters, Vice President.
J. G-. Scott, Secretary.
H. J. Beemer.
Cy. Tessier, K P.
True Copy,

Cy. Tessier, N. P.

SCHEDULE A.

Value and approximate quantities of work to be done and executed on con-
tract extending from Pointe aux Trembles Junction to Chicoutimi and
St. Alphonse, an assumed distance of 64 miles, with sidings not extending
five (5) miles.

Quantities.

1 description.

Rate.

Amount.

Total.

630

l,170,(ii)i»

60,000

0,000

Acres, clearing and grubbing

Cub. earth ex

'" rock

■' 1st class masonry

$ cts.

03 00

0 30

1 60
10 00

7 00

0 25

896 00

250 00

70 00

25 oo

20 00

2S 00
03.1
04

28 oo

$ cts.

30,090 00
351,000 00
96,000 00
00,000 00
40,000 00
48,000 00
57,344 00

1(1,000 00

70,000 00
15,000 00
14,000 00

•is cts.

7,o(i(i
L92,000

L.000

600

700

f " 2nd "

Ties, tamarack, cedar and hemlock

Miles wire Fence

" wood culverts and cattle guards

Liu. ft. steel bridges

" wood

Farm crossings. . . •

Rails and Fastenings.

Tons steel rails (including sidings)

816,034 oo

0,072

170,016 oo

14,400 00

6,182 40

9,660 00

11 J. (too

Lbs. spikes

154,560
345

" bolts and nuts

'runs fish plates

200,34s 40

492

Edsrar versus ( aron.

Value and approximate quantities of work to be done and executed on con-
tract extending from Pointe aux Trembles Junction to Chicoutimi and
St. Alphonse, &c. — Concluded.

Quantil its.

tin

207,000

I description.

Track-laying.

Miles track-laying

Ballasting.

Cubic yards ballast

Telegraph.
Miles (telegraph company to. build]
Station Buildings.
Stations

Rollhui Stock.

Locomotives

First class passenger cars.
Second class "

Sleeper

Box cars

Cattle cars

Baggage, express and mail

Conductor van

Flat cars

Snow ploughs

Hand cars

Tanks for Water Service.

Tanks

Work shops, cfcc., <£r.

Frame repair shop with tools, wooden engine house,
hand car houses and sheds, turntables, &c

Engineering.

Miles engineering and location

Steamboat . .

Wharves and lights at Koberval, St. Prime, Mis-
tassini, Peribonca, Riviere a la Pipe Discharge
and Metabetchouan

Contingencies.

To cover right of way, terminal lands and other
station grounds, omissions and other works and
expenses that may arise and which are not en-
tirely covered by schedule, and for reclassifies-'
tion of materials referred to in contract

Rat<

S ,-ts.

225 oo
o 30
0 50

2,500 00
1,800 00

12,000 00

4,500 00

3,500 00

0,000 00

500 00

2,000 00

000 00

400 00

2,000 00

00 00

2,000 00

Amount.

'otal.

S ,-ts. g cte.

500 00

493

L5,525 oo

62,100 oo

3,200 oo

5,000 00
9,000 00

72,000 00
9,000 00
7,000 00
0,000 00

19,040 00

4,480 00

4,000 00

000 00

32,200 00

0,000 00

480 00

L5,525 oo

02,100 00

3,200 00

14,000 00
1,111,207 40

100.800 00

8,000 00

15,000 00
35,000 00

17,000 00

32,000 00

50,000 00

119,988 on
1,498,995 00

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 1893

Schedule of value and approximate quantities of work to be done and

executed on contract No , a branch extending from the Main Line

to La Tuque, an assumed distance of 30 miles.

< Quantities.

«60

540,000

60,000

1,600

84,000

400

300

2,728

180,000

67,200

150

90,000

3
2

Description of Work

Acre*, clearing and grubbing .
Cub. yards earth ex

rock ex

1st class masonry . .

Ties.

Miles wooden culverts

L. ft. wooden truss bridges
m m trestle n

Rails and Fastenings.

Tons rails 56 lbs. (including siding).

Lbs. spikes

.. bolts and nuts

Tons fish plates

Track-laying.

Miles track-laying

Ballasting.

Cub yards ballast

Telegraph Line.

Miles tel. line (Tel. Co. to build)

Station Buildings, d'c.

Stations with sheds and engine house, includes car

shops and machinery

Turntables

Water Service.

Tanks .

Rolling Stock.

Locomotives

1st and 2nd class passenger car

Box cars

Baggage car

Plal form cars

I land cars

Flanger and plough

( '(inductor's van

Rate.

Engineering.

M Lies engineering and location

Steamboat for St. Maurice

Wharves at La Tuque and Piles, beacons and lights
and car shop at junction

Contingencies.

To cover right of way, terminal lands and other
station grounds, omissions and any other work
and expenses that may arise and which are not
entirely covered by the schedule and for reclassi-
fication of material referred to in contract

494

$ cts.

63 00

0 30

1 60
10 00

0 25

250 00

40 00

15 00

28 00
03i
0 24
28 00

225 00

0 30

0 50

1,500 00

2,000 00

12,000 00

4,500 00

560 00

2,000 00

460 00

(id 00

2,000 00

000 00

500 00

Amount.

$ cts.

22,680 00
162,000 00
06,000 00
16,000 00
21,000 00

7,500 00
16,000 00

4,500 00

F0,384 00
6,300 00
2,688 00
4,200 00

6,975 00

27,000 00

1,501 1 00

10,000 00
3,000 00

24,000 00

4,500 00

2,240 00

2,000 00

18,400 00

300 00

4,000 00

600 00

10,000 00
5,000 00

Total.

$ cts

345,680 oo

89,572 00

6,975 00

27,000 00
1,500 00

13,000 00

4,000 00

$487,727 00

56,040 00
15,000 00

15,000 00

50,591 00

$624,358 00

Ed#ar versus Caron.

Schedule of value and approximate quantities of work to be done and executed
on contract No. , extending from Roberval to St. Prime, an assumed
distance of 1 2 miles.

Quantities

40
217,000

8,000

; 800

40,000

140

200

500

1,156

78,000

26,880

38,000

Description of Work.

Acres clearing and grubbing

( lubic yards earth excavat ion

rock m

.1 1st class masonry. . . .

Tics, tamarac, cedar and hemlock.

Farm crossings

Miles wire fence

Lineal feet wooden truss bridge. . .

trestles

Miles wooden culverts

Rails mid Fastenings [Including Sidings.)

Tons steel rails, 56 lbs.

Lbs. spikes

Lbs. bolts and nuts.
Tons fish plates

Track-laying.

Miles track-laying

Ballasting.
(Jul tic yards ballasting- . . . . .

Telegraph Lines.
Miles, telegraph (Tel. Co. to build.).
Station Buildings.

etc

Stations and engine shed

Turntable

Tank

Engineering.

Miles engineering and location
Roll inn Stock.

Second class car.

Box cars

Hand car

Platform cars . . .
Cattle cars

_ Contingencies.

To cover right of way, terminal lands and other
station grounds, omissions, and any other works
and expenses that may arise and which are not
entirely carried by schedule and for reclassifies
tion of materials referred to in contract

Elate,

s cts
63 on

0 HO

1 CO
10 00

0 25
20 00

896 00
40 00
15 00

250 00

28 00
0 034
0 04

28 00

225 00

0 30

50 00

10,000 00
1,500 00
2,000 00

250 00

3,500 00

5(10 00

(50 00

460 00

560 oc

Amount.

S «-ts

2,520 00
04,100 00
12,,S00 00

8,000 00

10.000 00

2,800 00
10.752 00
8,000 00
7.500 oo
3,000 00

32,368 00
2,730 00
1,075 20
1,052 00

2,700 00

11,400 00

000 00

10,000 00
1,500 00
2,000 00

Total.

3,500 00
1,120 00
00 00
4,600 00
1,120 00

s ct8

120.472 oo

37,K25 00
2,700 00

11,400 oo

000 00

13,500 00
3,000 00

10,400 00

17.230 (iO

$226,127 oo

495

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 1893

Schedule of value and approximate quantities of work to be done and exe-
cuted on Contract No. , a branch from the main line at St. Gabriel
Station to the Eiver aux Pins settlement, a distance of ten miles.

Quantities.

43£

100,000

3,000

30,000

300

2,000

968
50

70,000
22,400

20,000

Description of Work.

Acres, clearing and grubbing

Cubic yards earth excavation

' ' rock "

Ties

Miles wooden culverts

n fencing

C. F. pile trestle

Cubic yards rip-rap

Bails and Fastenings.

Tons rails 50 lbs

ii fish plates

Lbs. spikes

Bolts

Track laying.

Miles track-laying

Ballasting.

Cubic yards ballast

Telegraph Line.

Miles telegraph (Tel. Co. to build)

Farm crossings

Station, Bid/dings, <lr.

Stations with sheds, engine house and turntable.

Water Service.

Tank

Engineering.

Miles engineering and location survey

Hulling Stock.

Locomotive

1st and 2nd class cars

Platform cars

Hand cars

( 'ontingencies.

To coyer right of way terminal lands, and other
station grounds, omissions and any other work*
and expense that may arise and which are not
entirelv covered by schedule and for reclassification

of materials referred to in contract

Rate.

$ cts.

03 00

0 30

1 60
0 25

250 00

8915 00

15 00

2 00

28 00
28 00
0 Sh
0 4"

225 00

0 30

50 00

20 00

12,000 00

4,500 00

400 00

00 00

Amount.

■s cts.

2,724 75
30,000 00
4,800 00
7,500 00
2,500 00
8,960 00
4,500 00
4,000 00

27.104 00
1,400 00
2,450 00

896 00

2,250 00

6,000 00

500 00
1,000 00

5,000 00
2,000 00

12,000 00

9,000 00

4,000 00

120 00

Total.

$ Cts

64,984 75

31,850 00
2,250 00

0,000 00

500 00
1,000 00

5,000 00

2,000 00

133,584 75
5,000 00

25,720 00

151,510 75

NOTE. [t 18 to be understood that this estimate is made for the purpose of arriving at the value of
work done, that the above quantities are only approximate, and that any increase thereof or any omissions
in the above estimate should no! in any way affect the obligation of the contractor to do and furnish
everything necessary for the entire completion of the railway, nor shall the above approximate quantities

in any way hind tlie contractor to do more work than the contract and specification provide for.

496

Edgar versus Caron.

Division of Schedule of values of different descriptions of works to be done
for facility in reference.

I'MCrici LARH.

Road-bed and masonry .

Bails and fastenings '

Bridging, track-laying and ballasting _

Telegraph, Bidings, stations, workshops, water service and engineering. . .

Rolling stock

( lontingencies

Steam-boats, wharves, Lights, &c,

Miles.

Total.

•

in;
lie.

110

116

in;

110

11,356,171
359,595
L33.950
138,300
252,960
1!)5,024

$2, 430, 000
65,000

$2,501,000

$11,691
3,100
1 . 1 55
1,192
2,181
1,681

$21,000

Note. — In addition to this the contractor agrees to snpplyone 1st class car, twenty-three bos ear-,
eighty flat cars. Sec clause 8.

The four schedules preceding and the notes on the other side of this sheet
form and are the schedule " A" mentioned in a certain contract between the
Quebec and Lake St. John Eailway Company and Horace J. Beemer, before
C. Tessier, Notary, at Quebec, on the seventh of January, eighteen hundred
and eighty-eight, to the original of which contract this schedule " A " is
remaining annexed.

A. L. LIGHT,

Consulting Engineer.

SIMON PETERS,

Vice-President.

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

• II. J. BEEMER,

CY. TESSIER, N. P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

CY. TESSIER, N.P.

Exhibit " JS " 5, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,
Clerk, B. C.

On the Thirtieth day of June, in the year one thousand eight
hundred and seventy-nine,

Before me, the undersigned public notary, duly commissioned and sworn,
and residing at the city of Quebec, in the province of Quebec, personally came
and appeared "The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and
Trading Company," incorporated under letters patent, of Quebec, Canada, of
the first part ;

And William H. Stevenson, of Buckingham, Ottawa, in the province
of Quebec, contractor, and hereinafter called the contractor, of the second
part ;

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189;

"Which said parties hereby covenant and agree together as follows: tha
in consideration of the covenants and agreements hereinafter contained, th
contractor covenants and agrees with the said company, parties of the firs
part, as follows : —

1st. In this contract the word " work" or "works" shall, unless th(
contents require a different meaning, mean the whole of the work, and the
materials and things required to be done, furnished and performed by th*
contractor under this contract. The word engineer shall mean the chiel
engineer of the company for the time being, having control over the work
and shall extend to and include any of his assistants acting under hi*
instructions, and all instructions or directions or certificates given or decisions
made by any one acting for the engineer shall be subject to his approval and
may be cancelled, altered, modified and changed, as to him may see fit. The
engineer wiil be bound to submit any alterations or changes to the Board oi
Directors.

2nd. All covenants and agreements herein contained shall be binding on
and extend to the executors and administrators of the contractor, and shall
extend to and be binding upon the successors of the company, and where-
ever in that contract "The Company" is referred to, such reference shall
include their successors, and wherever the contractor is referred to, such
reference shall include his executors and administrators.

3rd. That the contractor will, at his own expense, provide all and every
kind of labour, machinery and other plant, materials, articles and things what-
soever necessary for the due execution and completion of all and every of the
works set out or referred to in the general specifications, with the exception
of locomotives and cars now in the hands of the company, said specifications
hereunto annexed and marked " A," and set out and referred to in the
plans and drawings prepared and to be prepared for the purpose of the work
and in accordance with the printed memorandum or explanatory notes here-
with annexed, dated 1st of May, 1879, marked " B," and will execute and
fully complete the respective portions of such works and deliver the same
completed to the parties of the first part, on or before the first day of
December, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine. The said work to be
constructed of the best materials of their several kinds, and finished in the
best and most workmanlike manner, in the manner required by, and in strict
conformity with the said specifications and drawings which may from time
to time be furnished — (which said specifications and memorandum are hereby
declared to be part of this contract) — and to the complete satisfaction of the
chief engineer for the time being, having control over the work.

4th. The aforesaid specification and memorandum and the accepted
tender herewith annexed marked " C," also the several parts of this contract,
shall be taken together to explain each other and to make the whole con-
sistent, and if it be found that anything has been omitted or misstated which
is necessary for the proper performance and completion of any part of the
work contemplated,, the contractor will, at his own expense, execute the same
as if it had been properly described and the decision of the engineer shall be
final as 1o any such error or omission, and the correction of any such error or
omission shall not be deemed to be an addition to or deviation from the works
hereby contracted for. It is further agreed and understood that in case smy
alterations <ire made in the location of the line or road or in the construction
of such part thereof which will increase the cost to the said contractor either
in grading, bridging or length of line, &c, &c, the said contractor shall be paid

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'.->

such additional cost pro rata with the schedule attached to the contract
marked D, and if there are no prices in the schedule the price shall be fixed
by the chief engineer, and in case of any decrease of the cost of construction
consequent on any such change of line, a corresponding deduction' shall be
made by the said contractor as per schedule rates.

5th. That all the clauses of this contract shall apply to any changes,
additions or deviations in like manner and to the same extent as to the works
at present projected, and no changes, additions, deviations or variations shall
annul or invalidate this contract.

6th. That the engineer shall be the sole judge of work and material in
respect of both quantity and quality, and his decision on all questions in dis-
pute with regard to work or material or as to the meaning or intention of this
contract, and the plans, specifications and drawings shall be final, and no works
or extra or additional works or changes shall be deemed to have been executed,
nor shall the contractor be entitled to payment for the same unless the same
shall have been executed to the satisfaction of the engineer, as evidenced by
his certificate in writing, which certificate shall be a condition precedent to
the right of the contractor to be paid therefor.

7th. It is hereby distinctly understood and agreed that the respective
portions of the works set out or referred to in the list or schedule of prices to
be paid for the different kinds of works include not merely the particular kind •
of work or materials mentioned in the said list or schedule, but also all and
every kind of work, labour, tools and plant, materials and things whatsoever
necessary for the full execution and completing ready for use of the respective
portions of the works to the satisfaction of the engineer : And in case of
dispute as to what work, labour, materials, tools and plant are or are not so
included the decision of the engineer shall be final and conclusive.

8th. A competent foreman is to be kept on the ground by the contractor,
dividing all the working hours to receive the orders of the engineer, and
should the person so appointed be deemed by the engineer incompetent or con-
duct himself improperly, he may be discharged by the engineer, and another
shall at once be appointed in his place ; such foreman shall be considered as
the lawful representative of the contractor, and shall have full power to carry
out all requisitions and instructions of the said engineer.

9th. In case any material or other things, in the opinion of the engineer,
not in accordance with the said several parts of their contract, or not suffi-
ciently sound or otherwise unsuitable for the respective works, be used for or
brought to the intended works or any part thereof, or in case any work be
improperly executed, the engineer may require the contractor to remove the
same, and to provide proper material or other things, or properly re:execute
the work as the case may be, and thereupon the contractor shall and will
immediately comply with the said requisition, and if twenty-four hours shall
elapse and such requisition shall not have been complied with, the engineer
may cause such material or olher things, or such work to be removed.

10th. That if at any time it should appear from the reports of the chief
engineer and to the satisfaction of the company that the contractors are not
prosecuting the work with sufficient force or diligence to secure its completion
by the time above specified, the company will have the right to annul and put
an end to the contract, and to take possession of the works without any litiga-
tion or legal process, within forty-eight hours after having notified the con-
tractors by notarial protest, served either at the office of the contractor, at
Quebec, or deposited in the post office to the address of the said contractor.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A.* 1893

11th. The contractor shall be at the risk of, and shall bear all loss or
damage whatsoever, from whatsoever cause arising, which may occur to the
works or any of them, until the same be fully and finally completed and
delivered up to and accepted by the said chief engineer for the time being, and
if any such loss or damage occur before such final completion, delivery and
acceptance, the contractor shall immediately, at his own expense, repair, restore
and re-execute the work so damaged, so that the whole works or the
respective parts thereof may be completed within the time hereby limited.

12th. The contractor shall not have or make any claim or demand, or
bring any action or suit or petition against the company for any damage
which he may sustain by reason of any delay in the progress of the work
arising from the acts of any of the company's agents, and it is agreed that in
the event of any such delay, the contractor shall have such further time for
the completion of the works as may be considered necessary by the chiet
engineer for the time being.

13th. The contractor shall not make any assignment of this contract or
any such contract for the execution of any of the works hereby contracted for
unless consented to on the part of the company, and in any event no such
assignment or sub-contract, even though consented to, shall exonerate the
contractor from liability under this contract, for the due performance of all
the work hereby contracted for.

14th. Time shall be deemed to be of the essence of this contract.

15th. The contractor snail be responsible for all damages claimable by
any person or corporation whatsoever in respect of any injury to persons or to
lands, buildings, ships or other property, or in respect of any infringement
of any right whatsoever, occasioned by the performance of the said works or
by any neglect or misfeasance or non-misfeasance on his part, and shall and
will at his own expense make such temporary provisions as may be necessary
for the protection of persons or lands, buildings, ships or other property or
for the uninterrupted enjoyment of all rights of persons or corporations in and
during the performance of the said works.

16th. The contractor will protect and will not remove or destroy or per-
mit to be removed or destroyed the stakes, buoys and other marks placed on
or about the said works by the engineers of the works and shall furnish the
necessary assistance to correct or replace any stake or mark which through
any cause may have been removed or destroyed.

17th. Any notice or other .communication mentioned in this contract to
be notified or given to the contractor shall be deemed to be well and suffici-
ently notified or given if the same be left at the contractor's office or mailed in
any post office to the contractor or foreman, addressed to the address mentioned
in this contract, or to the contractor's last known place of busines.

18th. The contractor binds himself to take all the timber which was made
by the company in the year eighteen hundred and seventy-six for culverts and
other works at a valuation and to be accepted by the engineer, also to take
Ilulbert's plant in the possession ot John Ross, Esq., at a valuation to be stated
by the said John Ross ; also to receive country labour in payment for country
subscriptions if parties are willing to work (say to the extent of $7,000) said
labour to be accepted if offered at current rates and said labour to be charged
monthly as performed ; also to load and distribute telegraph poles, to take rails
from the steamers if not discharged at any of the wharves named, but not above
Allan's wharf, or from the steamers in the river, but not responsible for acci-
dents to batteaux ; wharfage to be free, but should the contractor find it more

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Edgar versus Caron.

advantageous to bring them to the wharf, then he Is to pay wharfage, t.» take
what fence boards the company can furnish at six dollars per one thousand
feet ($6.00 per 1,000 feet). Also to return the engines and rolling stock in
good working order less reasonable wear and tear.

The company will have the power of dismissing the locomotive drivers
for incompetency or misconduct. The company bind themselves to arrange
with the Quebec, Montreal, Occidental and Ottawa Railway Company for
right of way on their road at the cost of the contractor. And the said com-
pany, parties of the first part, in consideration of the premises, hereby covenant
with the contractor and in respect of the works hereby contracted for and in
the manner set out in the contractor's tender for section one and section two
(section 1 and section 2) and hereto annexed together with explanator}7 notes,
the total contract amount for section No. 1 being sixty-two thousand nine
hundred and seven dollars and twenty-five cents and the total contract amount
for section !No. 2 being sixteen thousand eight hundred and seventy-
eight dollars and eighty cents. Pa}Tments to be made monthly, less ten per
cent, off to be retained until completion of contract and, upon completion, all
securities to be returned as further explained in the explanatory notes.

And to this contract personally appeared James Worthington, of the city
of Montreal, gentlemen, herein represented by his duly authorized attorney,
James Isbester, and James Isbester, of the city of Ottawa, contractor, who did
and do hereby voluntarily become the sureties of the said contractor, party of
the second part, to and in favour of the said company, parties of the first part,
for the fulfilment and carrying out of the present contract, and in so doing do
bind themselves and each of them jointly and severally one for the other each
for the whole that the said contractor shall and will from time to time and at
all times well and truly perform, keep and abide by all and singular the covenants,
agreements and conditions contained herein, and further agree that all the
rights, privileges and powers which may by virtue of this contract be exercised
by or on behalf of the said company or by the engineer or engineers or other
persons mentioned, may be so exercised without notice to the said sureties.

Done and executed at the said city of Quebec, on the day and year first
above written, and recorded in the office of Charles H. Andrews, the undersigned
Xotary, under the number two thousand five hundred and fifty-nine, the said
appearers having signed these presents, first duly read.

W. Withall, President.
Jas. G. Scott, Secretary.
Wm. H. Stevenson
James Isbester.
• James Worthington

per James Isbester.
C. H. Andrews, K P.

A true coj?y of the original remaining of record in my office.

C. H. Andrews, X. P.

It is understood that there is a mistake in the prices for the switches in
the tender, viz. ten dollars instead of seventy- five dollars, each making an
additional sum of three hundred and ninety dollars.

C. H. ANDREWS, 1ST. P.
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EXPLANATORY NOTES.

The works stated in the tender are to be executed for a bulk sum, but
the several items forming the aggregate must be moneyed out at a fair and
reasonable rate. A schedule of prices will be attached to cover alterations
or additional work, should such be required, the prices in the schedule must
be fair, and in keeping with those in the tender. The quantities given in the
tender are approximate taken from centre levels, and the contractor must satisfy
himself as to their correctness, also as to the nature of the material to be
moved, as no additional allowance will be made on either of these heads.

The fencing will be of merchantable pine or spruce lumber, properly
nailed to 6x6 square pine, cedar or hackmatac posts, 8 feet long, set 4 feet into
the ground. The gates and farm crossings will be of same material as the
fencing and made similar to those in use on the Q. M. O. & 0. Railroad.

The wooden culverts, both open and covered, also cattle guards and small
bridges, will be pine timber, similar in pattern to those lately erected on the
Three Rivers Loop line.

The culvert masonry will be 2nd class, laid dry, on Q. M. 0. & .0. Rail-
way pattern and specification.

The Howe truss bridge of 80-feet span, over Little River, of best pine
timber, and double refined iron, will be built on the approved plans of same
bridge on the Q. M. 0. & 0. Railway, with the enlarged bolts.

The flume to carry the stream north of St. Catharines road, will be made
square and of best pine timber throughout, the planking 3 inches thick, grooved
and tongued, and the workmanship generally similar to the flumes in use at
Montmorency, at the Messrs. Hall's Mills ; the flume set well, its full depth,
into the surface of the east side of the cutting, and perfectly water-tight.

The excavations in to two inclines must all be carried into the adjacent
embankments, none being thrown to spoil, the cost of getting, hauling, spread-
ing, trimming slopes &c, being covered by the price of excavation stated in
the tender.

The alignment at the Lorette incline has been altered from the original
location and a straight line, some two miles long inserted instead ; this necessi-
tates the diversion of the highway jto the west of the present line. The
changed road must be made as good as the present road. The length of the
actual change will amount to about f of a mile.

The excavation will be 18 feet wide at formation level, with side slopes
of one and a half horizontal to one vertical.

The embankments will be 15 feet wide at formation level, with side slopes
of one and a half horizontal to one vertical.

The balance of the grading, exclusive of the inclines some 9 milgs in length,
will be generally raised above its present level an average of 18 inches to
grades that will afterwards be adjusted by the engineer, giving about 6,500
cubic yards per mile. This quantity does not include the three embankments,
at Little River, the Gorge, at the head of the 2nd Incline, and the White
House trestle, all of which must be filled up to formation level, with an 80-
feet opening in the first, a 4x5 culvert of 2nd class masonry in the Gorge,
and 3 spans of 15 feet pile bridge, in the last.

The pile bridge at the White House trestle, composed of 3 pile bents of
12 x 12 pine timber, 4 upright piles and 2 raking shores in each bent. Style
of framing and floor system to be similar to the bridge over Bleury River at

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St. Vincent de Ptiul. The earth slopes running through the end bents, leaving
a 15-feet clear opening only for a waterway.

Before the track is laid the surface of grading must be laid perfectly
smooth (to avoid bending the light si eel rails) ; a price for this has been in-
serted in the tender, which the contractor must add in with his own figures.

The rails, fastenings and track-laying will be entirely under the control
of the engineer, the contractor finding labour only. The track will be laid by
a track foreman appointed by the directors, but paid by the contractors at the
rate of $100 per month, who will take entire control of the work.

The rails, fish plates and fastenings will be delivered at Pointe-a-Carcy or
Flood's or some other convenient wharf in the neighbourhood, and the contrac-
tor must bear all the expense of conveying them to the work. Sleepers will
be delivered at their present position on the line, and deficiencies will be de-
' live red at the Palais Wharf.

The switches, crossings, semaphore frames and ladders will be Q. M. O.
& 0. Ky. pattern, minus lamps not now required.

The ballasting will be put on at fhe rate of 1,000 cubic yards per mile.
It will be taken from approve^ pits and the contractor will bear all the ex-
pense of the temporary tracks required to procure proper material. Great
care must be taken not to injure the steel rails ; the whole being properly
surfaced, lined and evenly trimmed in neat shape.

The contractor must arrange to have the track laid to the Jacques
Cartier River by the 1st August, 1879, to convey the materials for the .iron
bridge to be erected there. Should this be inconvenient, he must haul this
material by the above date by teams, or otherwise, and state a price in his
tender for the delivery of this 200 tons of material at the bridge site.

In either case, the contractor must arrange to pass regular construction
trains daily through his work, for the conveyance of his necessary material
for the sections north of Jacques Cartier, by the 1st of September, 1879. He
will also state a price per ton in the schedule of prices at which he will de-
liver such material if required, taken from Quebec and delivered at the south
end of Jacques Cartier bridge in good order, price to cover loading and un-
loading.

Gulletting to the extent of 22,705 yards has been added to the sectional
quantities as a bonus, the better to enable the contractor to fulfil his time
engagements. Should the railway not be opened to the Jacques Cartier River
at the time herein specified, the gulletting will not be allowed and the price
deducted from the amount of the contract.

The directors will furnish 3 locomotives in working order, also about 50
flat cars. The contractor must state a price in his tender for putting them
on the track of the Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa and Occidental Railway. The
cars are on the line of the Gosford Railway, some at Quebec, others at Lorette
and Gosford. They must all be hauled to Quebec for renewal : the wheels,
axles and some bolts being about the only part now available. They will
require to be renewed similar to and as good as when first made, with excep-
tion of wear and tear on w7heels and axles, springs, brasses, drawbars, and
other details renewed. The wood work neatly finished. The timber being
pitch pine or tamarack and oak, properly bolted, fastened, painted and lettered,
and approved colours. The contractor will state price per car for hauling to
Quebec and renewing complete.

The work will, be finished on the old alignment — with exception of the
change of Lorette already mentioned — and generally to the gradients laid upon

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the profile exhibited in the engineer's office in Quebec, subject, of course, to
such minor changes as may be recommended by the engineer.

The right is reserved to substitute a barbed wire fence 3 wires high in
lieu of the board fence, to consist of 2 pine posts 6" x 6" x 8 feet long and one
cap 6"x3" x 16 J feet long in every lineal rod ; price per lineal rod to be stated
in schedule.

In addition to the above notes, the work otherwise% will be executed under
the Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa and Occidental Railway general specifications,
including circular No. 2. It will in all cases be under the direct charge and
control of the chief engineer for the time being, or any person he may depute
to act for him, and his orders must be complied with in every respect and
under all circumstances. He will furnish from time to time detailed plans and
specifications for the several works as they proceed, and it will be his duty to
reject or condemn at any stage or condition of the work all workmanship or
material which in his opinion may be imperfect or unsuitable and the same
must immediately be corrected or replaced to his entire satisfaction. He will
also have power to discharge from the work any foreman, mechanic or labourer
who may prove to be either incompetent, disrespectful or riotous, and the person
so discharged shall not be employed hereafter upon the work. v

All questions in dispute between the company and the contractors will be
referred to the chief engineer for the time being.

A deposit of 5 per cent, will be required before signing the contract, of
which the sum deposited with the tender shall form a part.

Immediately after signing the contract, the work must be so proceeded
with as, in the opinion of the engineer, will ensure its final completion by the
1st December, 187?.

The payments will be made monthly upon the estimate of the chief
engineer, 10 per cent, being retained as further security for the due perfor-
mance of the work.

It is possible that a change may be made in the alignment, from some
jDoint to the north ofJeune Lorette, thence following the north side of the
river St. Charles to Bickel's bridge, and it is hereby understood that the
engineer in chief shall be empowered to make such change if considered desir-
able, and the contractor agrees to execute all work on such changed line if
required at the price stated in the schedule attached, which shall govern all
deductions or additions, or the directors may call for new tenders, and the
contractor shall, in the event of such change, do such work only on the por-
tion of line left in abeyance as the engineer shall order so as to get a com-
munication, as soon as possible, with the more northerly parts of the work.
If change of line is decided upon, the contractors to be notified not. later than
15th July, 1879. In the event of such change, the company reserve the right
of taking 2 locomotives and 30 cars for that portion of the work.

" B."

Quebec, 17th May, 1879.

W. WITHALL, President, J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
WM. II. STEVENSON, J AS. ISBESTER,

J AS. WORTHINGTON,

per J AS. Isbester,
C. H. ANDREWS, N.P.
(A true copy.)

C. H. Andrews, N.P.

504

Edgar versus ( laron.

FORM OF TENDER.— 1st. SECTION.

No tender lor this section will be received unless on this form, and with
the schedule of quantities correctly priced and accurately moneyed out ; nor
unless the clause requiring an accepted bank cheque for $1,000 is complied
with. Both sections, 1 and 2, will be let to one bidder.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Little River to White House Trestle.— 7-6 Miles.

Tender for Works.

The undersigned hereby offers to iurnish all necessary plant, material
and labour (with the exception of 3 locomotives and 50 flat cars that will be
furnished by the company) and to execute and complete to the entire satisfac-
tion of the engineer in chief or officer duly authorized to act under him, all the
excavation, grading, bridging, track-laying, ballasting and other works required
to be done on that portion of the railway, commencing at station

and terminating near the
in length about seven and six-tenths
miles, upon the terms and conditions stipulated in the general specification
dated the 1st day of May, 1879, with form of contract annexed, all of which
documents have been duly read and carefully considered, and the undersigned
hereby propose and agree to complete all the work embraced under this' con-
tract by the 1st day of December, 1879, for the rates and prices set forth in
the schedule, which, when applied to the approximate quantities, amount in
the aggregate to the sum of sixty-two thousand nine hundred and seven TW
dollars.

SCHEDULE OF QUANTITIES AND PRICES.

Approxi-
mate
Quantities

4,864

158

22,705

130,000

30,000

43,022

000

200

2,000

1,200

12,300

2,000

Description of Work.

Amount.

Lineal rods board fence

Sliding- gates

Farm crossings

Cubic yards earth gulletting

n .1 rock and earth in inclines put into embankments. . . .

m n borrowing

ii n grading low embankments

m H culvert masonry, 2nd class

paving

M. B. M. pine timber in culverts and bridge abutments, framed

and placed

Pounds of iron bolts in culverts and bridge abutments

Cattle guards, single

Lineal feet of flume, Ii x 6, best pine timber

H ii Howe truss bridge

Miles trimming formation at

Miles permanent track-laying, at per mile

Cubic yards of ballasting, per yard

Permanent switches and crossings

Lineal feet of sidings

Renewing 50 flat cars, each, and hauling same to Quebec

Putting three locomotives on track of Q. M. O. & ( ). K'y

Hauling 200 tons of bridge iron and timber to Jacques Cartier

River before 1st August next, by rail or road

Of a mile diversion of public road, Lorette incline. .

Acres, right of way, a new line at Lorette incline

Total

8 cts.

55 00

$ cts.

4,377 60

158 00

700 00

3,405 75

26,000 00

4,500 00

6,558 30

2,400 00

400 00

1,206 00

110 60

572 00

3,000 00

2,000 00

760 00

1,330 00

1,520 00

40 00

so oo

2.750 00
40 00

150 00
480 00
240 00

$62,907 25

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In case the proposals herein contained shall be accepted, the undersigned
hold themselves ready to execute a contract similar in its provisions to the
form of indenture annexed to the general specification, and will comply with
the clause of said specification, with regard to deposit oi money, 5 per cent, on
bulk sum, as therein required ; and offer as sureties for the carrying out of all
the conditions, as well as for the due fulfilment of the contract, the two per-
sons who have signed their names to this tender for that purpose.

Actual signatures, occupations and residence of parties tendering.

¥M. H. STEVENSON,

Buckingham, Ottawa C.
JAMES ISBES^TER, .

Ottawa.
Signature and residence of sureties.

JAMES WORTHINGTON,

Montreal.

Dated at Quebec, the 11th day of June, 1879. This is the schedule
marked B

W. WITH ALL, President.
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
¥M. H. STEVENSON,
J AS. ISBESTER,
JAS. WORTHINGTON,

per Jas. Isbester,
C. H. ANDREWS, N. P.
(A true copy.)

C. H. Andrews, N. P.

FORM OF TENDER— 2nd SECTION.

No tender for this section will be received unless on this form, and with
the schedule of quantities correctly priced and accurately moneyed out. Both
sections, 1 and 2, will be let to one bidder.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company.
South end of White House Trestle to Jacques Cartier River, 4.7 miles.

Tender for Works.
The undersigned hereby offers to furnish all necessary plant, material and
labour (with the exception of 3 locomotives and 50 flat cars that will be furn-
ished by the company) and to execute and complete to the entire satisfaction
of the engineer in chief or officer duly authorized to act under him, all the
excavation, grading, bridging, track-laying, ballasting and other works required
to be done on that portion of the railway commencing at station

and terminating near the
in length about four and seven-tenths miles, upon the terms and conditions
stipulated in the general specification dated the 1st day of May, 1879, with
form of contract annexed, all of which documents have been duly read and
carefully considered ; and the undersigned hereby propose and agree to com-
]>!<'ie all the work embraced under this contract by the 1st day of December,
1879, for the rates and prices set forth in the schedule, which, when applied
to the approximate quantities, amount in the aggregate to the sum of sixteen
thousand eight hundred and seventy-eight dollars and eighty cents, $16,878. 80.

506

Edg-ar versus Caron,

flie

SCHBDl l.K OF QUANTITIES and Prk KS.

Quantitiei

3,008

46,050

200

1,490

4;>

4,700

1,000
7.6

Desoripti >f Work.

placed .

Lineal rods, board fence

Sliding gates

Farm crossings

Grading, low embankments

Cubic yds. culvert masonry, 2nd class. . .
M.B.M. pine timber, framed and placed
Pounds iron bolts for timber framed and

Cattle guards (single) . .

Lineal feet, pile bridge _

Miles trimming permanent formation

" permanent track-laying

Cub. yds. ballast

Permanent switches

Lineal feet, sidings

Temporary tracks constructed, laid and maintained, including repair
ing culverts and trestles, trimming and levelling formation, lining
and surfacing track to a good level

Total .

Prices.

8 cts.

300 oo

Amount.

o :ki

2.707 20

1 00

80 oo

L0 00

400 00

0 L5

6,907 50

1 oo

SOI) (10

18 oo

594 oo

59 60

11 mi

308 on

in 00

150 no

LOO on

170 0(i

L75 on

822 :><>

20 00

040 00

10 00

20 00

40 00

L'.L'SD OO

;,878 80

In case the proposals herein contained shall be accepted, the undersigned
hold themselves ready to execute a contract similar in its provisions to the
printed form of indenture annexed to the general specification, and will comply
with the clause of said specification, with regard to the deposit of money, 5
per cent, on bulk sum, as therein required ; and offer as sureties for the carry-
ing out of all the conditions, as well as for the due fulfilment of the contract,
the two persons who have signed their names to this tender for that purpose.

¥m. H STEVENSON,

Buckingham, Ottawa Co.
Actual signatures, occupations and f
residences of parties tendering. \

JAMES WORTHINGTON, Montreal.
Signatures and residences of sureties.

JAMES ISBESTER, Ottawa.
Dated at Quebec, the 11th day of June, 1879.

W. WITHALL, President.
J AS. G. SCOTT, Seen tary.
WM. H. STEVENSON. "
JAS. ISBESTER.
JAS. WORTHINGTON,
(A true copy.) per JAS. ISBESTER.

C. H. Andrews, N.P.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Schedule of Prices.

Prices at which the following works will be executed if required. They
are those at which extra works or additions or deductions from the contract
amount shall be made. The prices will be closely scrutinized. They must
generally be in keeping with price in tender.

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Quantities. Description of Work. Prices.

Clearing and grubbing and burning, per acre $ 40 00

Barbed" wire fence, 3 wires and cap 1 20

Earth excavation (average lead not to exceed 1,000 feet)
put into embankment, including trimming slope, level-
ling, &c, at per cubic yard 15

Earth excavation run to spoil, per cubic yard 15

Solid rock excavation put into embankment, per cubic

yard, including lead 90

Borrowing earth for embankment (average lead not to ex-
ceed 600 feet) per cubic yard 15

Earth excavation in foundations, per cubic yard 50

1st class masonry laid in Portland Cement, Q. M. O. and
O. Py. specification, per cubic yard, including coffer

dams and unwatering 9 00

2nd class masonry laid in Portland Cement, Q. M. O & O.
Py. specification, per cubic yard, including coffer

dams and unwatering ^ 7 00

2nd class masonry laid dry, Q. M. O. & O. Py. specification,

per cubic yard, including coffer dams and unwatering.. 4 00

Laying track (as per explanatory note) per mile 175 00

Ballasting, including lead if found on the contract, measur-
ed in excavation, per cubic yard 20

Ballast for every additional half-mile lead beyond the

extent of the contract 25

Spruce sleepers, 8 by 6 by 6 inch face, delivered on line, each 22

Spruce piles, 16 inches at top and 10 inches at point,

actually driven, per lineal foot 25

Distributing telegraph poles, each 5

Square pine timber in abutments, cattle-guards, culverts,
&c, framed and placed as per details to be furnished

hereafter, per M. feet, board measure 18 10

Iron in abutments, per lb 04

Carrying materials per ton beyond limits of section, per mile. 01

Laying permanent points and crossings complete, including
frog switches and switch frames, as per Q. M. O & O.
Py. pattern — all materials and labour, except steel rails

for crossings, found by contractor — each 90 00

Cattle-guards, single, each 44 00

¥M. H. STEVENSON, Tenderer.

Quebec, 19th June, 1879.

This is schedule marked D. W. WITHALL,

President.
JAS. G. SCOTT,

, Secretory.

WM. H. STEVENSON.
JAS. ISBESTER,
JAS. WOPTHINGTON,
per Jas. Isbester.
(A true copy.) C. H. ANDREWS, N. P.

C. H. Andrews, N. P.
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Edgar versus Caron.

SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE QUEBEC
AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

CLEARING AND GRUBBING.

1. The ground set apart for the railroad and its appurtenances must be
chopped and cleared to the boundary of the company's lands. The stumps,
bushes and other rubbish which are of no value must either be destroyed by
tire or otherwise removed so as not to disfigure or ^interfere with the
work.

2. Trees that are of any value for wood or timber must be neatly trimmed
and either chopped or sawed to such lengths as the engineer may direct and
piled in some accessible place for future use. Such portions of this timber as
in the opinion of the engineer may be suitable for bridges, foundations, cross-
ties or other purposes connected with the work, may be used by the contractor
free of charge ; but the remainder will be retained and preserved for the use
of the company.

3. Over all excavations and also under all embankments not exceeding
two feet in height the stumps and other perishable matter must be grubbed
out and removed entirely from the road-bed slopes and drain. Where
embankments exceed two feet in height it will be sufficient to cut the stumps
low, but in no case must they be left so high as to come within two feet of the
grade line of the road.

GRADUATION

4. The road-bed will be graded for a single track except where depots,
stations or sidings occur. In wood land the grading shall not be commenced
until clearing, close cutting and grubbing is completed to the satisfaction of
the engineers. The contractor will be held responsible for all damages to
crops.

5. The road-bed for single track will be not less than 15 feet in width at
formation level.

6. The grading will be made of such extra width at stations and sidings
as the engineer may direct.

7. All excavations must be made sufficiently wide to allow of ample side
drainage.

8. The side slopes of excavations and embankments which are composed
of loose material, will generally be one and a half base to one vertical, but
they will vary from this, according to height or character or material, at the
discretion of the engineer.

9. The materials composing embankments must be entirely imperish-
able.

10. Whenever the material found in road-bed or side excavations is
unsuitable for sustaining the permanent track, such other material shall be
substituted as the engineer may direct.

11. Spoil banks and borrowing pits will be so made as not to disfigure or
interfere with the permanent roadway and slopes and they must be dressed
up in such form and dimensions as the engineer may direct.

12. Highways, road crossings and private roads contiguous to the railroad
will be changed, constructed or rebuilt whenever directed by the engineer ;

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and the work must be so carried on as not to interfere with the rights and
privileges of the public or adjoining property owners.

18. Whenever stones are found in rock excavations that are suitable for
masonry structures or for slope, retaining or rip-rap walls required upon the
work, they may be used for such purposes by the contractor, but when such
material is not so required, it will, at the discretion of the engineer, be retained
by the company for other purposes and neatly piled up by the contractor as
to be accessible from the track.

14. Retaining and protection walls will be constructed and the slopes of
embankments wilj. be placed with rip-rap whenever required for the safety of
the work.

15. The road must be thoroughly drained in all places so that no water
will be allowed to accumulate and stand either in the cuttings or alongside of
the embankments ; and ample bridges, culverts or sluices must be constructed
across the road-way at proper points for the purrjose of leading the water
away from the railroad to its natural channels.

16. In excavating side drains and borrowing pits, care must be taken to
lease a sufficient with proper slopes for sustaining the embankments
and also the division fences without endangering their stability or usefulness.
The width of this will generally be 4 feet but may be governed by the
nature of the material, the height of banks and the depth of side excavations,

17. The side drains at the foot of the upper side slopes in excavations,
whatever may be the depth of cut or nature of the material, should never be
less than one foot in depth, one foot in width at bottom and four feet in width
at top when the road-way is ready for the superstructure ; and they should
always have sufficient longitudinal inclination to carry off the water with
facility. Upon the lower side slopes where the surface drainage is away from
the railway and the slopes are of moderate height, these drains may be reduced
in size where the cuts are excavated to formation level ; these side drains
should never be less than one foot in width at bottom and one-half foot in
depth below formation level. In cases of very wet material, or where a con-
siderable volume of water is necessarily carried through these drains to a cross
opening, they will be increased in dimensions to suit the circumstances.

18. In the event of the earth excavation being proceeded with in the
winter, no snow or ice must be placed in embankments or allowed to be covered
up in them, and frozen earth must as much as possible be excluded from heart
of embankment. •

19. The contract price for these several classes of excavations shall be
taken to include, the whole cost of hauling, except only extreme cases which
may involve a haul of more than one thousand feet.

20. The embankments must be made to such sufficient height and width
as will allow for the subsidence of the same, and both cuttings and embank-
ments shall be left at the completion of the contract at such heights, levels,
widths and forms as directed by the engineer, the upper surface of the banks
to be rounded in order to throw off the water.

21. The whole of the grading shall be carefully formed to the levels
given, and the road way in cuttings shall invariably be rounded and left six
inches lower at the sides than in the centre line. In rock cuttings, it will be
sufficient to form a water channel about two feet wide and eight inches deep
along each side. All materials found in excavations whether in road-bed cut-
tings, ditches, water channels, road-crossings, borrowing pits or elsewhere
must be deposited in such place as the engineer may direct. In case where

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the road-bed excavations are insufficient to form the embankments, the defi-
ciency shall be supplied by widening the cuttings or from the Bides of the
road or from borrowing pits, but no material shall be supplied without his
knowledge and not until the cuttings are completed, without his express
sanction. All borrowing pits shall, if required by the engineer, be dressed
to a good shape and properly drained. Where materials to make up embank-
ments is taken from the side a berme of at least 4 feet from bottom of slope of
embankment shall remain untouched.

22. Where the excavation in a cutting exceeds what may be required to
make the embankments of the specified width, the engineer may direct that
the embankments be increased in width with the surplus material.

23. In case where paving or rip-rapping will be required for the protec-
tion of embankments contiguous to streams, all stone suitable for this work
found in excavations may be removed and deposited in some convenient place
until required, and all good building stone which may be found in rock exca-
vations may with the approval of the engineer be preserved and piled along
the side of the line as directed. But any material so found and used will not
be paid for twice, the quantity if considerable will form a deduction from the
quantity of excavations as measured in the cutting.

24. Paving or rip-rap work whenever required and ordered for the pro-
tection of slopes of embankments must be well and carefully performed in
such manner and of such thickness as may be directed. It will be measured
and paid for by the cubic yard.

25. Roads constructed to and from any part on the line of railway for
the convenience of the contractor for the conveyance of material or otherwise
must be at his own risk, cost and charges, but the contractor will not be re-
quired to purchase land for the railway track for branches or for borrowing
pits.

26. Wherever the line is intersected by public or private roads, the con-
tractor must keep open, at his own cost, convenient passing places, and he
shall be held responsible for keeping all crossings during the progress of the
works in such condition as will enable the public to use them with perfect
safety and such as will give rise to no just ground for complaint. Contractors
will be held liable for any damages resulting from negligence on their part or
that of their men. At all public roads crossed on the level, the contractor will
be required to put in two substantial cattle guards of wood of such dimensions
as may be directed by the engineer.

27. When slips occur in cuttings after they are properly formed, the
material must be immediately removed by the contractor,, the slopes reformed
and such precautions adopted as the engineer may deem necessary. The con-
tractor will be paid for the removal of slips as already provided fcr.

28. The measurement of quantities shall invariably be made in excava-
tion unless in special cases, if any, where this may be found impossible ; in
such cases, the engineer may determine the quantities in embankment, after
making all allowances, of which he shall be the judge.

29. The prices stipulated for the several denominations and the price for
work in foundation pits under water level, shall be the total prices for exca-
vating all the material. In a word, the rates and prices stipulated in the
contract must be understood to cover every contingency, the furnishing
of all material power and plant, the cost of finishing up cuttings and embank-
ments, the dressing and draining of borrowing pits when required, the dress-
ing of slopes to the required angle, and the completing of everything connect-

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ed with the grading of road-bed in a creditable and workmanlike manner, in
accordance with the directions and to the satisfaction %f the engineer.

30. The contractor shall, at his own cost, before the work is finally accepted,
finish up cuttings in embankments, dress and drain borrowing pits, when
required, dress slopes with proper angles, repair all damages by frost or other
causes, and complete everything connected with the grading of the road-bed,
bridging, &c, in a creditable and workmanlike manner, in accordance with
the directions and to the satisfaction of the engineer.

Foundations.

31. Foundations will be excavated of such size and such depth as the
engineer may direct ; they will in all cases be sunk to such depths as will pre-
vent the masonry being acted on by the frost. The material therefrom will
be deposited in embankment, unless the engineer direct otherwise. When-
ever timber or other artificial foundations may be found expedient, pits will
be made of sufficient dimensions to admit them without difficulty. When
below water they must be kept dry by pumping, baling or extra draining
until the excavation is completed, foundations prepared and the masonry or
other structure brought above the surface line of the water. Where rock
foundations exist for the abutments and piers of bridges and beam or other
culverts, the rocky beds will be properly excavated and levelled off for the
reception of the masonry.

32. Whenever solid rock is not found, the foundations will consist either
of paving, concrete filling or platforms, or timber and plank, as the engin-
eer may direct, the whole to be protected by sheet piling rip-rap, cribwork,
or coffer dams when necessary, and executed in a thorough and a substantial
manner.

33. Foundation timbers when required will be of such dimensions and of
such kinds as the engineer may direct. The timber employed may be tamarack,
hemlock, black spruce or pine, in planks from three to six inches or timber
flatted on two sides only and ranging from six inches to twelve inches thick,
the faces of the flatted timber will at least measure as much as its thickness.

34. All spikes, bolts, straps or iron work found necessary to be used in the
timber foundations must be of the best quality of iron usually employed for
similar purposes.

35. Whenever the engineer may direct piling to be done the timber shall
be in every respect sound and of such description as he may approve ; where he
thinks it necessary, trial piles shall be driven.

36. The piles shall be carefully painted and, if necessary, shod and hooped
with iron as may be directed. They shall be driven to any depth the engineer
may deem expedient, and the weight of ram as well as the fall will be such as
he may consider necessary. Care must be taken to drive the piles plumb or
battered in such positions or distances apart as may be directed.

37. A pile short, damaged or out of line when driven shall be replaced
by another.

38. If concrete is employed, to be composed of Portland hydraulic
cement, clean sharp sand, small broken stone or good gravel, the quantities
and proportions to be approved. The cement will be the same proportions as
in mortar and, in making the concrete, sufficient quantity will be used with the
ol her materials to fill up every interstice and render the mass when set per-
fectly solid and compact. It will be laid on in layers about six inches thick,
each layer thoroughly rammed.

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\l ASONRY.

39. All masonry must be of substantial and permanenl character, made of

durable materials and in every respect equal to the best description of masonry
in railway work.

40. The masonry shall not be started at any point before the foundation
has been properly prepared, nor until it has been examined by the engineer,
nor until the contractor has provided a sufficient quantity of proper materials
and plant to enable the work to be proceeded with regularly and systemati-
cally.

41. When the foundations are below water they must be kept dry by
pumping or baling or extra draining until the masonry is brought above the
surface of water.

42. Portland hydraulic cement mortar will be used throughout in the
building of all masonry except the smaller box culverts which will generally
be laid dry. The cement must be fresh ground of an approved brand, it must
be delivered and kept dry and in good order until used. Before being used
it must be thoroughly tested as to its hydraulic properties as no inferior cement
will be allowed. The cement must be thoroughly incorporated with clean
large grained sharp sand. In face work the proportion will be one measure of
cement to two measures of sand. Mortar will only be made as required and
must be prepared and used under the direction and to the satisfaction of an
inspector. Should the contractor's men fail in this, the inspector may employ
other men for the purpose and any expense incurred thereby shall be borne by
the contractor.

43. Grout shall be formed by adding a proper proportion of water to well
tempered mortar, made with one hydraulic cement and two clean sand.

44. The masonry will be classified as follows : —

First class masonry in cement.
Second class masonry in cement.
Third class masonry in cement.

45. First class masonry shall be laid dry in regular courses ot large well
shaped stone laid in hydraulic mortar on their natural beds. The beds and
vertical joints will be hammer dressed so as to form quarter-inch joints. The
vertical joints will be dressed back square at least nine inches. The beds will
be perfectly parallel throughout. The work will be left with the quarry face
except the outside arises. In breakers, string and coping, which will be chisel
dressed.

46. The courses of first class masonry will not be less than twelve inches
thick and they will be arranged in preparing plans to suit the nature of the
quarries ; courses may range to twenty-four inches where the thickness of the
wall will admit, and the thinnest courses must invariably be placed towards
the top of the work.

47. Headers will be built in every course not farther than six feet apart,
they will have a length on line of wall of not less than twenty-four inches and
they must run back at least two and a half times their height unless where the
wall will not admit this proportion, in which case they will pass through from
front to back.

48. Protectors will have a minimum length in line of wall of thirty inches
and their breadth of bed will be at least one and a half times their height.
The vertical joints in each course will be so arranged as to overlap those in
course below at least ten inches.

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49. The quoins of abutments, piers, &c., shall be of the best and largest
stone and have chisel drafts properly tooled and the upright arises from two
to six inches and according to size and character of the structure.

50. Coping stones, string courses and cut water shall be neatly dressed
in accordance with the plans and directions to be furnished during the progress
of the work. The coping stones of piers and abutments shall be all through
stone extending the whole width of wall.

51. The bed stones for receiving the superstructures shall be of the best
description of sound stone, free from drys or flaws of any kind ; they must be
not less than twelve inches in depth for the small bridges and eight feet super-
ficial area on the bed. The larger bridges will require bed stones of propor-
tionately greater weight ; these stones must be carefully and solidly placed in
position so that the bridge will seat fairly on the middle of the stones.

52. The backing will consist of flat bedded stone well shaped and having
an area of bed equal to four superficial feet or more, except in high piers or
abutments; two thicknesses of backing stone, but not more, will be allowed in
each course and their joints must not exceed that of the face work. In special
cases where deemed necessary by the engineer to insure stability the backing
shall be in one thickness, the beds must be scabbled off so as to give a solid
leaving. No pinning will be allowed. Between the backing and face stones
there must be a good square joint not exceeding one inch in width, and the
face stones will be scabbled off to admit this. In walls over three feet in
thickness headers will be built in front and back of walls alternately and
great care must be taken in the arrangement of the joints so as to give perfect
bond.

53. The stone composing the arch in culverts must be placed perpendicu-
lar to the curve and extend entirely through the thickness of the arch and be
dressed throughout to quarter-inch beds and joints. These must be laid in
regular courses, each course need only be uniform thickness throughout and
the inner faces dressed smoothly to a line with the hammer. The water or
ring stone must have an extra finish and the key stone must be neatly cut
with the chisel and so placed as to project slightly from the face of the work.

54. Every stone must be set in a full bed of morter and beaten solid with
a heavy wooden beetle weighing not less than 50 pounds. In dry weather
the stones must be well wetted before the mortar is laid on. The vertical
joints will be flushed up solid and every course must be perfectly level and
thoroughly grouted. The tops of all arches and abutments shall be covered
over with three inches of cement mortar to prevent the filtration of water.

55. Second class masonry whether in mortar or dry shall be built of good
sound large flat bedded stones laid in horizontal beds. It may be known as
random work or broken course rubble; the stones employed in this class of
masonry will generally not be less in area of bed than three superficial feet
nor less in thickness than eight inches and they must be hammer dressed so as
to give good beds with half-inch joints In small structures and in cases where
stones of good size and thickness cannot be had they may if in other respects
suitable be admitted as thin as five inches. All stones must be laid on their
natural beds. The vertical joints must break at least nine inches and be dressed
back square from the face at least six inches.

56. Headers must be built in front and back alternately at least one in
every five feet in line of wall and frequently in rise of wall. In the smaller
structures headers shall not be less than twenty-four inches in length and the
minimum bed allowed for stretchers shall be twelve inches. In the larger

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tructures all stones must be heavier in proportion, ftvery attention mus1 Be
made to produce a perfect bond and to give the whole a strong, aeal and
workmanlike finish.

57. Wing walls will generally be finished with steps formed of sound
durable stone and hot less than from ten to twelve inches thick and six feet
superficial area, other walls will be covered with coping of a similar thickness
and of seven feet or upwards superficial area. These coverings will be neatly
dressed when required and as may be directed. The walls of the box culverts
will be finished with stones the full thickness of the wall, and the covers will
be from twelve to eighteen inches thick according to the span, and they must
have a square and level bearing of at least a foot in each wall and scabbled
and fitted close together to prevent earth falling through.

58. A distinction will be made between spans of twelve feet and
upwards and those of ten feet and under. The former will be of first-class
masonry and the latter box culverts of second class masonry.

BRIDGING.

59. The timber composing the bridges must all be of the strongest and
most durable kind of pine timber and must be properly adapted to the
specific purpose for which it is intended. It must be entirely free from sap,
snakes, loose or black knots or other symptoms of decay. The kind, length
and size required for the different structures must conform to the bills
furnished by the engineer and be framed and put together in the most skilful
and workmanlike manner in conformity with the plans and specifications
furnished by the engineer for the respective structures.

60. The iron required in rods, straps, bolts, nut-washers, &c, must be
of the best quality in use for such purposes, and it must be neatly and pro-
perly manufactured.

61. The truss bridges must be of a quality equal in strength and dur-
ability to the Howe Patent Truss, the proportions varying according to the
length between bearings. These bridges, as well as those of smaller spans
where full trussing is not required, will be built in accordance with the plans
and specifications furnished for each particular structure by the engineer.

These are the specifications mentioned in the foregoing contract annexed
to these presents, certified, acknowledged and signed by the parties to these
presents, and the undersigned Notary, after due reading thereof, on the
thirtieth day of June, in the year one thousand eight hundred and
seventy-nine.

W. WITHALL, President.
JAS. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
WM. H. STEVENSON,
JAS. ISBESTER,
JAS. WORTHINGTON,

Per Jas. Isbester.
C. H. ANDREWS, %N.P.

(A true copy).

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Exhibit " JS " 6, for the Cown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

On the thirtieth day of April, in the year one thousand eight hundred
and seventy-eight,

Before me, the undersigned public notary, duly commissioned and sworn,
and residing at the city of Quebec,, in the province of Quebec, personally
came and appeared : " The Quebec and Lake Saint John Railway Company"
of Quebec, Canada, hereinafter called the Company of the one part,

And the " Quebec and Lake Saint John Eailway Lumbering and Trading
Company," incorporated under letters patent, also of Quebec, Canada, herein-
after called the contractors, of the other part.

Which said parties hereby covenant and agree together in the manner
following, viz. : —

The contractors, with the view to the ultimate building of the railway
known as the Quebec and Lake Saint John Eailway, undertake to construct,
equip and complete, by the first day of December, one thousand eight
hundred and eighty-one, the first section of the road from the point of junction
with the North Shore Eailway to St Eaymond, including sidings and necessary
terminal accommodation at the Palais, upon the ground furnished by the
corporation of the city of Quebec, it being understood that the North Shore
track from the said point of junction shall be used, the ground in the Palais
Harbour, in the city of Quebec, which ground is to be furnished by the
corpoiation of the city of Quebec, in conformity with the by-law authorizing V
the council to subscribe the sum of ninety thousand dollars in the capital
stock of the company to the parish of Saint Raymond in the county of
Portneuf, with all the necessary right of way, station grounds, sidings, bridges,
culverts, passing places, station buildings, engine-houses, workshops, turn-
tables, water-tanks, cattle-guards, rolling stock and telegraph complete,
agreeably with such plans, profiles and specifications as shall be furnished
from time to time by the chief engineer of the company, which plans, profiles
and specifications shall have been approved by the Lieutenant-Governor in
Council as required by the Act, and several amendments of Acts of the
Legislature of Quebec, and also by the Council of the city of Quebec or their
engineer ; and likewise by the Government of the Dominion of Canada, and
by any municipality or municipalities interested in the railway, so as fully to
entitle the company to the subsidy and subsidies, grants and bonuses and
subscriptions of the company's capital stock, now or hereinafter to be
authorized by the Legislature of Quebec, the Parliament of the Dominion of
Canada, of the city of Quebec, and any municipality or municipalities.

It is understood that the rail will be not less than fifty pounds to the
yard in iron or its equivalent in steel, that the bridge over the River Jacques
Cartier will be a suitable bridge with suitable piers, and that the road thall be
equal in character to the Levis and Kenebec Eailway.

The contractors agree to furnish the first section of the road with new
rolling stock sufficient for the efficient working of this section, not to exceed
ili«' sum of forty thousand dollars; and to furnish each additional section
which may hereafter be built by themselves with a proportional amount of
rolling stock as the traffic of the road develops.

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Ed car versus Caron.

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The construction of the portion of the railway between St. Raymond and
Lake Saint John shall he gradually proceeded with later on, as the assistance
which is expected to he ohtained from the Parliament of the Dominion of
Canada, the Legislature of Quehec, the city of Quebec, and the counties
interested in the railway may he deemed by the contractors to be sufficient
to authorize such further construction.

The company reserves to themselves the right of cancelling the present
agreement in so far as it relates to the portion of the railway between St.
Raymond and Lake St. John ; and of entering into arrangement with any
parties that may be willing to undertake the construction of this portion of
the road at lower rates that may be deemed to be sufficient by the present
contractors to authorize this construction or than they may be willing to
accept for this construction.

The contractors agree to pay all the debts and liabilities of the company
existing at the time of the signing of this agreement and out of the price of
their agreement, not to exceed the sum of two hundred dollars.

The contractors agree to pay any and all expenses connected with the
supervision of the building of the road and of its reception by the parties
interested therein under and in virtue of this agreement, and to discharge the
company from any and all liabilities in relation thereto.

The contractors agree to pay the expenses in connection with the keeping
up of the organization of the company, salaries of chief engineer, secretary-
treasurer, office rent and expenses ; these expenditures to be under the control
of the contractors.

The contractors agree to pay the interest on the debentures issued and to
be hereafter issued by the company in virtue of this agreement until the date
of t )eir handing over the road and rolling stock to the company.

The company agrees as the price and consideration of this agreement to
hand over to the contractors :

1st. Any and all subsidy or subsidies from the Parliament of the Dominion
of Canada and the Legislature of Quebec ; and all grants, bonuses and sub-
scriptions ot the capital stock of the company by the city of Quebec and by
any municipality or municipalities interested in the railway already granted or
which may be hereafter granted to and received by the company, to assist in
the building of the railway, and subject to the conditions regulating the sub-
sidy and subsidies and the grants, bonuses and subscriptions of the company's
capital stock.

2nd. Twenty thousand dollars per mile of road in debentures of the
company, calculated at their par value as authorized by the by-law of the
council of the city of Quebec above mentioned for each and every mile of road
actually constructed and equipped by the contractors and received by the
company.

And whereas there are at present one hundred thousand dollars of
debentures of the company outstanding with coupons, a similar amount of the
new debentures will be retained by the company until these outstanding
debentures with coupons shall have been returned to the company by the
contractors.

3rd. And the lands which the company possess in the township of
Gosford, upon the completion and reception of the first section of the road to
the parish of St. Raymond, likewise the terminus property at St. Sauveur with
the right of way to the junction with the Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa and
Occidental Railwav Companv and the rolling stock and all other properties

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which the company may possess, provided the same can be legally clone and
always saving the rights and privileges of the bond holders of the company.

The company agree to allow the contractors to work for their own benefit
the several sections of the road as completed and the entire line of railway
upon its completion until the redemption of its bonded debt, subject to the
following charges : working expenses, keeping of the road and rolling stock in
perfect working order, interest on debentures, to be issued hereafter in virtue
of this agreement, and interest on the subscription of the company's capital
stock already made and hereafter which may be made by the city of Quebec
and by any municipality and municipalities.

The railway, together with the rolling stock, shall be returned by the
contractors to the company in perfect working order upon the redemption of
the bonded debt.

The privilege of working the railway, or the several sections thereof as
completed, shall be limited to the section or sections which they may build
and equip themselves ; and the parties who may hereafter build the remain-
ing sections of the road shall have running powers over the sections of the
road which the contractors may build in virtue of this agreement as may
hereafter be agreed upon.

During the working of the railway or any section or sections thereof, for
their own benefit, and until the railway, together with the rolling stock, shall
have been handed over by the contractors in perfect working order, and shall
have been received by the company, the contractors shall be subject to and be
bound by all the acts relating to the company and also by the railway act ;
and the contractors shall during this time discharge the company from any
and all liabilities in connection with the railway.

The company in the carrying out ot this agreement shall not be called
upon nor be bound to do any act beyond the powers of their charter nor to
exceed in any way whatsoever any clause in this agreement to the contrary
notwithstanding.

Done and executed at the said city of Quebec on the day and year first
above written and recorded in the office of Charles H. Andrews, the under-
signed notary, under the number two thousand four hundred and eight, the
said appearers having signed these presents first duly read.

W. WITHALL, President

Of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company.

FRANK ROSS, President
Of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company.

JAS. G. SCOTT, Secretary
Of the aforesaid companies.

C. II. ANDREWS, N. P.
A true copy of the original remaining in my office.

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Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit " JS " 7, for the Crown ; filed 21st September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
Transfer and Assignment.

On this twenty-fourth day of August, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-five, before the undersigned notary public for the province of Quebec,
Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared

The Quebec and Lake St. John Eailway Company, duly incorporated and
having its principal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed by
Theophile Ledroit, of Quebec, Esq., merchant, president of said company, and
James Guthrie Scott, Esquire, of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized
to the effects hereof by a resolution of the board of directors of the company
at one of their regular meetings held on the nineteenth of August, inst., of the
first part; and Messrs Ross & Co., of the city of Quebec, merchants, represented
in this deed by the Honourable James Gibb Ross, senator, sole partner of the
firm, of the second part.

Which said party of the first part did and do by these presents, assign,'
transfer and make over unto the said parties of the second part, accepting
hereof the sum of seventy thousand dollars, being part and portion of the
special subsidy of ninety-six thousand dollars voted by the Dominion of
Canada during the last session of the Parliament of Canada, and payable
upon the completion of fifty miles of the Quebec and Lake St. John Rail-
way beyond St. Raymond.

To have and to hold, recover and receive the said sum of seventy thousand
dollars unto the said parties of the second part, their heirs and assigns, to their
own proper use and behoof, to the effect whereof the said party of the first
part doth put, substitute and subrogate them in all its rights, titles, interests
and privileges in the premises, authorizing them to receive payment of such
subsidy when due.

The present assignment is thus made as security for advances made since
the said nineteenth of August, inst., and to be hereafter made upon the esti-
mates of the said Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company's engineer
to complete the thirty miles of the road still required to be furnished to make
up the fifty miles aforesaid.

To this present deed was also a party : Horace Janson Beemer, of the
city of Montreal, Esq., contractor, who declares that whereas it is at his
request and to his advantage that the present assignment is made, he, hereby,
gives his assent to the same, waiving any right he may have to the above
assigned subsidy.

This done and executed at Quebec, and under the number six thousand
nine hundred and three of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done.

T. LEDROIT, President.
J. G. SCOTT,
II. J. BEEMER,
JAS. G. ROSS,
CY. TESSIER, K P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Ten words
erased are null.

Cy. Tessier, KP.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " JS" 8, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAMEL,

' Clerk, R. C.
Transfer and Assignment.

On this twenty-fourth day of August, one thousand eight hundred and

eighty-five, before the undersigned notary public for the province of

Quebec, Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and

having its principal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed

of Quebec, esquire, merchant, president of said company and
James Guthrie Scott, esquire, of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized
to the effects hereof by a resolution of the board of directors of the company
at one of their regular meetings held on the nineteenth of August, instant, of
the first part, and the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the city of Quebec,
merchant, and a member of the Senate of Canada, in the quality of president
,of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company,
and in its behalf of the second part.

Which said party of the first part did and do, by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting hereof
the sum of twenty-six thousand dollars, being part and portion of the special
subsidy of ninety-six thousand dollars voted by the Dominion of Canada
during the last session of the Parliament, and payable upon the completion of
fifty miles of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway beyond St. Raymond.
To have, hold and recover and receive the said sum of twenty-six thousand
dollars unto the said party of the second part, to the effect whereof the said,
party of the first part doth put, substitute and subrogate them in all their
rights, titles, interest, privileges in the premises, authorizing them to receive
payment of said subsidy from the Government when due.

This present assignment is thus made in payment and satisfaction of a
like sum of twenty-six thousand dollars, being part of the consideration or
price of a certain contract entered into between the parties hereto passed
before C. H. Andrews, notary, at Quebec, on the thirtieth of April, one
thousand eight hundred and seventy-eight,

To this present deed was also a party : Horace Jansen Beemer, of the
city of Montreal, Esq.. contractor, who declares that, whereas it is at his
request and to his advantage that the present assignment is made, he hereby
gives his assent to the same, waiving an}7 right he may have to the above
assignment subsidy.

This done and executed at Quebec, under the number six thousand nine
hundred and four of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

In Witness whereof the said parties, have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done. '

T. LEDROIT, President.
J. G. SCOTT,
JAS. G. ROSS, President,
Quebec and Lake St. John R.R. and T. Go.
H. J. BEEMER,
Cy. TESSIER, N". P.
A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Eighteen
words erased are null.

Cy. Tessier, K P.

520

Edfirar versus Caron.

Exhibit " JS " 9, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUST AVE HAM EL,

Clerk, R. C.
Transfer and Assignment.

On this fourteenth day of September, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-five, before the undersigned notary public for the province of Quebec,
Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared : the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Co., duly incorporated and having its prin-
cipal place of business in the city of Quebec, represented in this deed by
Theophile Ledroit, of Quebec, Esq., merchant, president of said company, and
James Guthrie Scott, Esq., of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized to
its effects hereof by a resolution of the Board of Directors of the company at
one of their regular meetings held on the eleventh of September, instant, of
the first part ; and the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Que-
bec, a member of the Senate of Canada, merchant, trading under the name
and style of Ross & Co., of the second part.

Which said party of the first part did and doth by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting hereof
the subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, payable by the
Dominion of Canada upon ten miles of the Quebec and Lake St John Railway
from station 3770 near the river Meging to station 4298 opposite the Island of
Lake Edward, forming the aggregate sum of thirty-two thousand dollars.

To have and hold, recover and receive the said subsidy unto the said
party of the second part, his heirs and assigns, to their own proper use and
behoof, to the effect whereof the said party of the first part doth put, substi-
tute and subrogate him in all its rights, titles, interests and privileges in the
premises, appointing him its attorney for the purpose, of receiving said subsidy
from whom it appertains.

This present assignment is thus made for securing advances to be made
by the said party of the second part to Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, Esq., railway contractor, builder of the said Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway to enable him to complete the above mentioned ten miles of the
same. The present assignment and transfer being made in compliance with
a request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company, contained in their letter to the company, party herein of the
first part, dated the ninth of September, instant.

To this present deed was also a party : the said Horace Janson Beemer,
who, after having taken communication of the above, doth give to the same
his entire consent and approval.

Thus done and executed at Quebec, under the number six thousand nine
hundred and ten of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done.

T. LEDROIT, President.

II. J. BEEMER,

J. G. SCOTT,

Jas. G. ROSS,

Cy. TESSIER, K P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Eleven words
erased are null.

Cy. Tessier, K P.
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Exhibit " JS" 10, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, JR. C.

Transfer and Assignment.

On this third day of July, one thousand, eight hundred and eighty-six,
before the undersigned Notary Public for the province of Quebec, Canada,
residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared : The Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and having its
principal place ol business in Quebec, represented in the deed by Theophile
Ledroit, of Quebec, Esquire, merchant, president of said company, and James
Guthrie Scott, Esquire, of the same place, its Secretary, duly authorized to the
effects hereof by a resolution of the board of directors of the company at one
of their regular meetings held this day, ot the first part ; and the Hon. James
Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, a member of the Senate of Canada,
merchant, trading under the name and style of Ross & Co., of the second part :

Which said party of the first part did and doth by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting
hereof the subsidy of nineteen hundred and sixty-one dollars per mile pay-
able by the Dominion of Canada upon forty miles of the Quebec and Lake St.
John Kailway, from station 4298 to station 6410, forming the aggregate sum
of sixty-eight thousand four hundred and forty dollars. Said subsidy having
been granted by an act passed during the last session of the Parliament of
Canada.

To have and hold, recover and receive the said subsidy unto the said
party of the second part, his heirs and assigns, to their own proper use and
behoof, to the effect whereof the said party of the first part doth put, substi-
tute and subrogate him in all its rights, titles, interests and privileges in the
premises, appointing him its attorney for the purpose of receiving said sub-
sidy, from whom it appertains.

This present assignment is thus made for securing advances to be made
by the said party of the second part to Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, Esquire, railway contractor, builder of the said Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway, for the purposes mentioned in his letter to the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, dated the
twenty-first of June last and annexed to the original of this deed.

The present assignment and transfer being made in compliance with a
request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company contained in their letter to the company, party herein of the first
part, dated the twenty-first of June, last.

To this present deed was also a party, the said Horace Janson Beemer,
who, after taking communication of the above, doth give to the same his
entire consent and approval.

This Done and Executed at Quebec under the number seven thousand
seventy-nine of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned Notary.

In Witness Whereof the said parties have signed with the said Notary,
after the reading done.

T. LEDROIT, President
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
JAS. G. ROSS,
H. J. BEEMER,

CY. TESSIER, N. P.
522

Edgar versus Caron.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Fifteen
words erased are null and void.

Cy. Tessier, K P.

Montreal, 21st June, 1886.

J. G. Scott, Esq.,

Quebec and Lake St. John Ry. L. & T. Co.

Dear Sir, — Referring to your favour of this date, I beg to request that
your company will cause to be transferred to Messrs. Ross & Co. the new
Dominion subsidy of $1,961 per mile upon the next 40 miles, from station
4,298 to station 6,410, say $78,440, as security for the following advances to
be made me :

40 new platform cars at $385 $15,400

3 passenger cars 6,000

1 locomotive No. 7 7,500

10 platform cars, one bought in 1885 3,500

1 baggage car, built by compan}7 2,000

Westinghouse break equipment 900

Xote 5,150

Freight and passenger fares due company to

30th April 4,854

Interest on $125,000, Quebec City Bonds, due 1st

July, $2,813, 1st January, $2,812 5,625

$50,929

The balance to be used to provide for any possible excess of work beyond
estimates on said sections, and to meet payments on consolidation engines,
advances to be made on progress estimates of the company's engineer.

Yours truly,

II. J. BEEMER.

This is the letter of H. J. Beemer to the Quebec & Lake St. John
Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, referred to in an assign-
ment made by the Quebec & Lake St. John Railway Company to Messrs.
Ross & Co., before Cy. Tessier, at Quebec, on the 3rd July, 1886. To the ori-
ginal of which deed it is annexed.

T. LE DROIT, President.
J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.
H. J. BEEMER,
JAS. G. ROSS,
CY. TESSIER, N. P.

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Exhibit " JS " 11, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAYE HAMEL',

Clerk, E. C.

Transfer and Assignment.

On this twenty-seventh day of November, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-six, before the undersigned notary public for the province of
Quebec, Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared :

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and
having its principal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed by
Theophile LeDroit, of Quebec, Esquire, merchant, president of said company,
and James Guthrie Scott, Esquire, of the same place, its secretary, duly author-
ized to the effects hereof by a resolution of the Board of Directors of the
company at regular meetings held on the twenty-second October, last, and
twenty-sixth of November, instant, of the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, a
member of the Senate of Canada, merchant, trading under the name and style
of Ross and Co., of the second part ;

Which said party of the first part did and doth by these presents assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting
hereof the following subsidies granted and payable by the Dominion of
Canada, to help the construction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, i.e.

1st. The subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, payable
upon forty miles of the said railway from station 6410 to station 8522, forming
the aggregate sum of one hundred and twenty-eight thousand dollars.

2nd. The special subsidy of nineteen hundred and sixty-one dollars per
mile, payable upon the same forty miles of the said railway, i.e. from station
6410 to station 8522, forming the aggregate sum of seventy-eight thousand
four hundred and forty dollars.

This subsidy having been granted by an Act passed during the last session
of the Parliament of Canada.

To have and hold, recover and receive the said subsidies together with
the interest thereon from the unto the said party of

the second part, his heirs and assigns, to their own proper use and behoof, to
the effect whereof the said party of the first part doth put, substitute and sub-
rogate him in all its rights, titles, interest and privileges in the premises,
appointing him its attorney for the purpose of receiving said subsidies from
whom it appertains.

This present assignment is thus made for securing advances to be made
by the said party of the second part to Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, Esquire, railway contractor, builder of the said. Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway, to enable him to complete the above mentioned forty miles of
the same. -

The present assignment and transfer being made in compliance with the
request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading
Company.

To this present deed was also a party, the said Horace Janson Beemer,
who, after having taken communication of the above, doth give to the same
his entire consent and approval.

This done and executed at Quebec under the number seven thousand one
hundred and forty-one of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

524

Edgar versus Caron.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading dour.

T. LkDROIT, President
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
JAS. G. ROSS,
CY. TESSIER, X. P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Eleven words
erased are null and void.

Cy. Tessier, N.P.

Exhibit " JS " 12, for the Crown ; tiled 23rd September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

On this day, the sixteenth of November, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-seven, before the undersigned, notary public for the province of Que-
bec, Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared :0

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and
having its principal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed by
Theophile LeDroit, of Quebec, Esq., merchant, president of said company, and
James Guthrie Scott, Esq., of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized
to the effects hereof by a resolution of the Board of Directors of the company,
at one of their regular meetings, held on the tenth of November, instant, of
the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, a
member of the Senate of Canada, merchant, trading under the name and
style of " Ross & Co." of the second part ;

Which said party of the first part did and doth by these presents assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part accepting hereof
the following subsidies granted and payable by the Dominion of Canada, to
help the construction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, i.e. :

1st. The subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, payable
upon (11-23) eleven miles and twenty-three hundredths of the road, extending
from station 8522, a distance of one hundred and thirty miles north of St.
Raymond, between Lac Bouchette and Lac a Belley, to station 9115 at Pointe
aux Trembles Junction, a distance of (141*23) one hundred and forty-one miles
and twenty-three hundredths, north of St. Raymond, aforesaid, forming the
aggregate sum of thirty-five thousand nine hundred and thirty-six dollars.

2nd. The special subsidy of nineteen hundred and sixty-one dollars per
mile, payable upon the same (11-23) eleven miles and twenty-three hundredths
of the said road or railway, forming the aggregate sum of twenty-two thousand
and twenty -two dollars.

To have and hold, recover and receive the said subsidies, amounting
together to the sum* of fifty-seven thousand nine hundred and fifty-eight
dollars, unto the said party of the second part, his heirs and assigns, to their
own proper use and behoof, to the effect whereof the said party of the first
part doth put, substitute and subrogate him in all its rights, titles, interests
and privileges in the premises, appointing him its attorney for the purpose of
receiving said subsidies from whom it appertains.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

This present assignment is thus made for the purpose of receiving advan-
ces to be made by the said party of the second part to Horace Janson Beemer,
of the city of Montreal, Esq., railway contractor, builder of the said Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway, to enable him to complete the above mentioned
part or section of the same.

The present assignment and transfer being made in compliance with the
request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering , and Trading
Company, contained in their letter of the twenty-eighth October last.

To this present deed was also a party, the said Horace Janson Beemer,
who, after having taken communication of the above, doth give to the same
his entire consent and approval.

This done and executed at Quebec, under the number seven thousand
three hundred and forty-eight of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned
notary.

In witness whereof, the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done.

T. LeDROIT, President.
J. G. SCOTT.
JAS. G. ROSS.
H. J. BEEMER.
CY. TESSIER, KP.

A true copy of the original remaining on record in my office.

Cy. Tessier, N.P.

Exhibit " JS " 13, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

On this eighteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-eight,

Before the undersigned notary public for the province of Quebec, Canada,
residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared :

The Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and
having its principal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed by Simon
Peters, of Quebec, Esquire, vice-president of said company, and James Guthrie
Scott, Esquire, of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized to the effects
hereof by a resolution of the Board of Directors of the company, at one of their
regular meetings held on the twenty-eighth of January, last (1888), of the first
part;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, a mem-
ber of the Senate of Canada, merchant, trading under the name and style of
" Ross & Co." of the second part ;

Which said party of the first part did and do, by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting here-
of: 1st. The subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, and the
special one of nineteen hundred and sixty-one dollars per mile, granted before
the date of the last session of the Federal Parliament, and payable by the

526

Edg-ar versus Caron.

Government of the Dominion of Canada, for one hundred and forty-five miles
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, from St. Raymond, northward;
save and except what parts or portions of the same which have already been
transferred to the said Ross & Co. by material deeds up to the date of the six-
teenth of November, last (1887), inclusively; by and in virtue of which deeds
the above subsidies on (141.23) one hundred and forty-one miles and twenty-
three hundredths of said section of road have been assigned, leaving to be
ceded in virtue of this present deed the subsidies on (3*77) three miles and
seventy-seven hundredths of said road, amounting to an aggregate of ($19,457)
nineteen thousand four hundred and fifty-seven dollars.

2nd. A portion of the subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per
mile, granted by an Act of said Federal Parliament, passed at its last session,
50-51 Vic, chap. 24, for the nine miles of the western extension of the said
railway to Roberval, mentioned in said act, being for that portion of said nine
miles which will bring the road to the end of the one hundred and forty-
eighth mile from St. Raymond (184th mile from Quebec), i.e., for three miles,
forming subsidies to the amount of ($9,600) nine thousand six hundred dollars,
which are hereby transferred.

To have and to hold, recover and receive the said subsidies unto the
said party of the second part, to his own proper use and behoof, to the effect
whereof the party of the first part doth put, substitute and subrogate him in
all its rights, titles, interests and privileges in the premises, appointing him
its attorney for the purpose of receiving said subsidies from whom it apper-
tains.

This presenx assignment is thus made for securing advances, to be made by
the said party of the second part, to Horace Janson Beemer, ot the city of Mont-
real, Esquire, railway contractor, builder of the said Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway, to enable him to complete the above mentioned (6*77) six miles and
seventy-seven hundredths of the same.

The present assignment and transfer being made in compliance with the
request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Lumbering and Trading Com-
pany, contained in a resolution of their Board of Directors, dated the twenty-
seventh January, last (1888).

To this present deed was also a party, the said Horace Janson Beemer,
who, after having taken communication of the above, doth give to the same
his entire consent and approval.

This done and executed at Quebec, under the number seven thousand
four hundred and nine of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.

In testimony whereof the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done.

SIMON PETERS, Vice-President.
J. G. SCOTT,
H. J. BEEMER,
JAS. G. ROSS,
CY. TESSIER, KR

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " JS " 14, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892,

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

On this eighteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-eight,

Before the undersigned notary public for the province of Quebec, Canada,
residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared : The Quebec
and Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and having its prin-
cipal place of business in Quebec, represented in this deed by Simon Peters, of
Quebec, Esq., vice-president of said company, and James Guthrie Scott, Esq.,
of the same place, its secretary, duly authorized to the effects hereof by a
resolution of the board of directors of the company at one of their regular
meetings, held on the twenty-eighth January, last (1888), of the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, a
member of the Senate of Canada, merchant, trading under the name and
style of "Ross & Co." of the second part.

Which said party of the first part did and do, by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepting here-
of : 1st. A part or portion of the subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars
per mile, granted by an Act passed at the last session of the Federal Parlia-
ment, 50-51 Victoria, chapter 24, and payable by the Dominion of Canada for
the nine miles* of the western extension of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway to Roberval. mentioned in said act ; being for that portion of the said
nine miles starting from the terminal point of the one hundred and forty-
eighth mile of said railway from St. Raymond ( I 84th from Quebec), to the
end of the one hundred a:id fifty-fourth mile at Roberval, a distance of six
miles ; forming, of subsidies, an amount of nineteen thousand two hundred
dollars ($19,200).

2nd. A portion of the subsidy of three thousand two hundred dollars per
mile, granted by the same Act 50-51 Victoria, chapter 24, to the Saguenay and
Lake St. John Railway Company, for thirty miles of their railway, from Lake
St. John towards Chicoutimi, or from Chicoutimi towards Lake St. John ;
being for five miles of their said railway (forming part of said thirty miles)
extending from Pointe aux Trembles Junction to a 'point near the river
Metabetchouan, forming a total of ($16,000) sixteen thousand dollars of sub-
sidy transferred.

This subsidy now belonging to the said company, party of the first part,,
by and in virtue of an enlargement to them made by the said "The Saguenay
and Lake St. John Railway Company," before Cy. Tessier, Notary, at Quebec,
on the sixth September, last (1887), the latter company's railway being and
forming now the eastern or Chicoutimi extension of the Quebec and Lake St.
John Railway.

To have and to hold, recover and receive the said subsidies, unto the
said party of the second part, to his own proper use and behoof, to the
effect whereof the party of the first part doth put, substitute and subrogate
him in all its rights, titles, interest and privileges in the premises, appointing
him his attorney for the purpose of receiving said subsidies, from whom it
appertains.

The present assignment is thus made for receiving advances to be made
by the said party of the second part to Horace J. Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, Esq., railway contractor, builder of the said Quebec and Lake St.

528

K Itfar versus Caron.

John Railway, to enable him to complete the above mentioned eleven 'miles of
the same.

To this present deed was also a party, the said Eorace ^) anson Beemer, who,
after having taken communication of the above, doth g! ve to the same his
entire approval, the whole being done at his request contained in his letter of
the twenty-seventh January, last, addressed to the president and directors of
the said company.

This done and executed at Quebec, under this number seven thousand
four hundred and ten of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.
In testimony whereof, the said parties have signed with the said notary,
after the reading done.

SIMON PETERS, Vice- President.

J. G. SCOTT.

H. J. BEEMER.

J AS. G. ROSS.

CY. TESSIER, KP.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

Cy. Tessier, N.P.

Exhibit " JS" 15, for the Crown; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
Transfer and Assignment.

On this thirty-first day of May, one thousand eight hundred and ninety,
before the undersigned notary public for the province of Quebec, Canada,
residing in the city of Quebec, personally came and appeared: The Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company, duly incorporated and having its principal
place of business in the city of Quebec, represented in the deed by Elisee
Beaudet, Esq., vice-president, and James Guthrie Scott, Esq., secretary of said
company, duly authorized by a resolution of the Board of Directors at one of
their meetings held on the twenty-sixth of May, instant, of the first part ;

And Frank Ross, of the city of Quebec, Esquire, merchant, of the second
part.

Which said party of the first part did and doth, by these presents, assign,
transfer and make over unto the said party of the second part, accepted here-
of, the following subsidies granted by the Dominion Parliament of Canada
during its last session, viz : 1st, that of ($3,200) three thousand two hundred
dollars per mile for the new line of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,
running from Lorette into the city of Quebec, a distance of twelve miles, form-
ing therefore an aggregate sum of ($38,400) thirty-eight thousand four hun-
dred dollars, and 2nd, that of ($30,000) thirty thousand dollars for the con-
struction of an iron bridge across the river St. Charles, called the St. Charles
bridge.

To have and hold, recover and receive the said subsidies from the Govern-
ment of Canada unto the said party of the second part, his heirs and. assigns,
to their own proper use and behoof, to the effect whereof the said party of the
first part doth put, substitute and subrogate him in all its rights, in the
premises, appointing him its attorney tor the purpose of receiving said subsidies
from whom it appertains.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 189a

This present assignment is thus made for securing certain advances to be
made to Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of Montreal, Esquire, railway con-
tractor, builder of the said railway, by the said Frank Ross, assignee.

The said Horace Janson Beemer, hereunto present, declares himself satis-
fied with the above transfer, which is made at his request.

To this present deed were also a party, the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, duly incorporated and having its
principal place of business in the city of Quebec, represented in this deed by
Elisee Beaudet, Esquire, vice-president, and James G. Scott, Esquire, secretary
of this company, duly authorized by resolution of the Board ot Directors, dated
the twenty-sixth of May, instant Who does declare that the above assign-
ment has been made with its entire consent and approval.

This done and executed at Quebec, under the number seven thousand nine
hundred and forty-nine of the records of Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary.
In witness whereof, the said parties have signed with the said notary, after
the reading done.

E. BEAUDET, V.P.Q. & L. St. J. R. L. & T. Co.

E. BEAUDET, V.P.Q. & L. St. J. R. Co.

J. G. SCOTT, Secy. Q. & L. St. J. R., L. & T. Co.

J. G. SCOTT, Secy. Q. & L. St. J. Ry. Co.

FRANK ROSS.

H. J. BEEMER.

CY. TESSIER, N.P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. Fourteen
words erased are null and void and one marginal note good.

Exhibit " JS" 16, on cross-examination; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Statement of subsidies voted to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway I > y

the Dominion Government.
Main Line.

1882, 45 Vic, chap. 14, St. Raymond to Lake St.

John, 120 miles $384,000

1883, 46 Vic, chap. 25, short mileage, 25 miles 80,000

1884-85, 48-49 Vic, chap. 59, C. P. R. Junction to

St. Raymond, 32 miles 96,000

1885, 49 Vic, chap. 10, additional $1,961 per mile... 186,295

1887, 50-51 Vic, chap. 10, short mileage, 9 miles... 28,800

1890, 53 Vic, chap. 2, Lorette line, 12 miles 38,400

1890, 53 Vic, chap. 2, St. Charles bridge 30,000

$843,495
Chicoutimi Line.

1888, 51 Vic, chap. 3, 30 miles $96,000

1889, 52 Vic, chap. 3, 20 miles 64,000

160,000

$1,003,495

Quebec, 20th September, 1892.

530

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "JS" 17, on cross-examination ; filed 25th November, 1892.

GUSTAVK HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

The annual general meeting of the shareholders of the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Company was held at the company's offices, St. Andrew
street terminus, Quebec, on Thursday, 12th May, 1892.

The annual report of the directors was read to the meeting, and adopted
as follows : —

Annual Report.

The directors of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company beg to
report as follows with regard to the operations of the past year : —

Progress of Works.

Since the date of the last annual report, the new line into the city of
Quebec, via Lorette and Charlesbourg, has been completed and opened for
traffic. The local passenger trains have been running over this line since the
1st July, last, and all the company's trains since the 4th October. The new
city terminal station and general offices in Quebec were completed by the end
of December, and have been occupied and trains running there since the 1st
January of the present year. The terminus is well situated in the centre of
the city, adjacent to the new Louise docks, and the terminal station and
offices are very commodious and suitable for the business of the road. The
new workshops in Quebec have also been completed, and the mechanical staff
have been removed there from St. Raymond.

Some work still remains to be done in filling in the terminal ground at
Quebec, and in building a round house and car shops. The work of ballast-
ing and widening,- reducing grades and taking out curves was also carried on
during the whole of last season between Riviere a Pierre Junction and Lake
St. Joseph.

The sum of £200,000 sterling had been placed by the bondholders in the
hands of the Railway Share Trust and Agency Company (limited) of London, as
trustees, to be expended in improving and equipping the railway. This sum
was deposited with Messrs. Olyn, Mills, Currie & Co., in London, and was paid
out monthly, as the work was done, upon estimates of the company's chief
-engineer, certified by Mr. A. L. Light, M. Inst. C.E., who was appointed by
the trustees as their engineer, acting under instructions from Messrs. Hanson
Bros., agents of the trustees in Canada. The trust fund has been expended
as follows : —

Completing and improving the line between
Chambord Junction and Roberval, Lake St.

John £20,693

Additional locomotives and rolling stock 27,565

Terminal grounds, grain elevator and buildings at

Quebec 24,850

Ballasting 7,460

New line into the city of Quebec, 12 miles 56,789

Raising and widening road bed, reducing grades

and curves, and general improvements 63,116

Sterling... £200,473

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

This large sum of money has been carefully and judiciously expended,,
and, in the opinion of your board, it has served to place the road in a position
second to none of its class in Canada, in point of construction and equipment.

An extension of time has been granted to Mr. Beemer, for the completion
of his contract for building the branches to Chicoutimi and St. Alphonse, and
to La Tuque, on the River St. Maurice. The difficult and expensive bridges
over the River Metabetchoua.n and the two next rivers on the Chicoutimi
extension, are nearly completed, the masonry of the first being finished, the
stone cut for the other two, and the steel superstructure of all three delivered
on the ground. Mr. Beemer is making every effort to have the line completed
to or near the town of Chicoutimi by the summer of 1893, so as to take advan-
tage of the large tourist travel expected in Canada, in connection with the
Chicago Exhibition. Surveys have been made for the branch line to La
Tuque, on the river St. Maurice, and an excellent location has been found,
which will allow of the construction of a line almost without gradients, a most
important feature, as this branch is expected to handle the heavy lumber
trade of the St. Maurice Valley. The engineers report that it will run through
a country well suited for settlement, and heavily timbered.

Traffic.

The traffic accounts for the year ending 31st December, 1891, are now
submitted to you, the mileage in operation having been 190 miles.

The number of passengers carried during the year was 84,736, and the
number of tons of freight 111,497, as against 95,9C2 tons the previous year.

The freight consisted of : —

2,735 car loads of cordwood, or 27,350 cords.
» sawn lumber | 32 544 000

" tie?" etlmber'j feet B. M.
a pulp and paper, 2,040 tons.
" general merchandise, 15,105 tons.

The depressed condition of the market for spruce deals during the whole
of last year prevented the sale of the produce of all the mills along the road.
Consequently all the lumber was held over, and the railway did not get the
freight. Towards the fall, business improved, and large sales were made, so
that during the coming shipping season we may expect to carry a large por-
tion of two seasons' cut, estimated at about seventy million feetB. M. About
470,000 logs have been made for the various mills on the railway, during the
past winter. Two new mills have been built since last year and another large
one is being arranged for. The Lower Laurentian Railway, connecting with
our line at Riviere a Pierre Junction, was opened for traffic in November last,
and is giving us considerable business. The enlarged hotel at Roberval, and
the Island House at the Grand Discharge of Lake St. John, were opened in
July, last, and were well patronized. The former has accommodation for 300
guests, and is handsomely furnished throughout, and equipped with electric
light and every modern convenience. The new steel steamer " Mistassini "
having a capacity for 400 passengers will be launched at Roberval in a few
days, and will run daily between Roberval and the Island House during the
tourist season. It is expected that the completion of the railway extension
to Chicoutimi will attract a very large tourist travel in connection with the

5d2

2,406

138

168

136

1,007

6590

ears.

Edgar versus Oiron.

Saguenay steamers. " The officers of the Canadian Pacific, Grand Trunk.
Boston & Maine, New York Central and other large roads arc giviDg their
active assistance m sending tourist travel to Lake St. John, and all predict
a very large business for this route when it can be combined with the Sagne-
nay trip.

The accounts for last year, now submitted, show a very considerable
saving in the cost of operating the road, as compared with the previous year.
It is expected that the current year's expenses will be much further reduced,
as the Board decided in October last to make the passenger train service
between Riviere a Pierre and Roberval tri-weekly, instead of daily, during
the winter months. The opening of the company's own terminus in Quebec
came too late to affect the accounts for the year 1891. But it is causing a
very marked economy in the operations of the present year, practically saving
all the heavy terminal charges hitherto paid to the Canadian Pacific Railway,
besides enabling the company's business to be done in a much more satisfac-
tory manner. The increased traffic, which we have every reason to expect,
and the reduction in terminal and other expenses which we are now enabled
to carry out, will, it is confidently expected, enable the company to show a
very satisfactory result for the business of the current year. The company's
repair shop at St. Raymond was burned in September last, and two engines
and some machinery damaged. The loss was fully covered by insurance.
The shop has since been rebuilt.

The past winter has been exceptionally favourable for railways all over
Canada, as regards snow. Our trains have suffered no detention, and we have
employed no extra labour whatever.

Colonization.

The directors have continued to use every effort to encourage the settle-
ment of the country served by the railway. Circular letters have been sent
to the clergy in every parish in the province, inviting delegates to visit the
Lake St. John district, for the purpose of reporting on the country and its
productions. Illustrated pamphlets, descriptive of the district, have been
circulated throughout the province and through the Government agencies in
Europe. All new settlers, with their families and effects, are carried free
over the railway from Quebec to Lake St. John. These efforts have
commenced to produce some results, and during the past year 141 new
settlers, some of whom were from Belgium and England, but principally from
the province of Quebec and the New England States, were sent by the
company into the district. A vigorous colonization policy on the part of the
Government, and the offer of free grant lands, or partly improved farms,
would doubtless produce greater results. The company's application to the
Federal Government to establish an experimental farm in the Lake St. John
district, similar to those at Ottawa, in the North-West, and in other provinces,
has been renewed. The crops in the Lake St. John district last year were
very abundant, and will, no doubt, encourage new settlers to go in this year.
A considerable quantity of grain came to Quebec over this railway.

Maintenance
The bridges, track, rolling stock, road-bed, stations and other property
of the company are being kept in good repair and condition.
The whole respectfully submitted.

FRANK ROSS, President
Quebec, 12th May, 1892. J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

583

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

The ballot for the election of directors for the ensuing year was then
proceeded with, and the scrutineers declared the following gentlemen elected,
viz : Frank Ross, E. Beaudet, Simon Peters, Hon. P. Garfieau, Gavin Moir,
Hon. F. Langelier, M. P., Thos. A. Piddington, Jules Tessier, M.P.P., John
Theodore Ross, and also Mr. E. Hanson, of Montreal, and the Hon.. George
Irvine, as representing the trustees of the bondholders. In addition to whom,
the non-elective members of the board are Mr. Joseph Fremont, Mayor,
representing the city of Quebec, Hon. Judge J. A. Gagne, representing the
county of Chicoutimi, and Mr. Lawrence Stafford, named by the Government
of the province of Quebec.

On motion of Mr. Simeon Lesage, Deputy Minister of Public Works,
seconded by Mr. Cyrille Tessier, N. P., a vote of thanks was adopted to the
retiring directors and to the officers of the company.

The meeting then adjourned.

Exhibit " J.S." 18, on cross-examination; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY COMPANY.

(See Nos. 2, 14, 49, 82, 126, 140, 177, 220 and 232.)

By the Subsidy Act of 1882, a subsidy of $684,000 was granted for a line
from St. Raymond to Lake St. John. By the Act of 1883 the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company, engaged in the work of constructing this
line, were permitted to receive a further subsidy of $80,000. By the Act of
188;") a subsidy of $96,000 was authorized for a line extending from the point
of their junction with the North Shore Railway (4 miles from Quebec) up to
St. Raymond (36 miles from Quebec), conditionally upon the construction of
their line to a point 50 miles north of St. Raymond, and by the Act of 1886 a
subsidy was authorized, not exceeding $186,295, for the portion, 95 miles,
extending from the point 50 miles north of St. Raymond to Lake St.
John.

By the Act 50-51 Vic, ch. 24 (1887), an additional subsidy not exceeding
$28,800 was authorized for a distance of 9 miles, the distance which previous
subsidies granted were short of covering from the city of Quebec to Lake St.
John By this Act authority was given for payment up to the 23rd of June,
1888 (under the usual conditions) of balances available from the subsidies
granted in 1882 and 1883. The aggregate of the subsidies granted to this
company for the whole distance from Quebec to Lake St. John is $775,095,
the number of miles subsidized being 186.

An agreement was duly entered into on the 4th of September, 1883, in
respect of the two subsidies first named, under which this line was to be com-
pleted by the 25th of May, 1887, the portion up to Lake Edward to be com-
pleted by the 31st of December, 1885. and on the 10th of February, 1886, an
agreement was signed covering the third subsidy, namely, that of 1885. For
the subsidies granted in 1886 and 1887 no further contracts are required,
these subsidies being applicable to works embraced in the previous con-
tracts.

534

Edgar versus Caron.

The road is in operation up to Roberval, on Lake St. John, 190 miles
from Quebec. ~

By the Act 51 Vic, ch. 3, a subsidy to the extent of $96,000, previously
granted to the Saguenay and Lake St. John Railway Company tor 30 miles of
their railway from Lake St. John towards Chicoutimi, was transferred to this
company, and under authority of an Order in Council of the 17th of November,
1888, a contract was made with them on the 5th of December for this work,
which starts from Chambord Junction, near Lake St. John, on their main
line ; the work to be completed by the 1st of August, 1890. The location for
these 30 miles has been approved by an Order in Council of the 17th of
November, 1888.

By the Act 52 Vic, ch. 3 (1889), a further subsidy of $64,000 was
granted for an additional 20 miles, making the total subsidy for this branch
$160,000.

By the Act 53 Vic, ch. 2 (1890), a subsidy to this company, to an extent
not exceeding $30,000, was authorized for a railway bridge over the River St.
Charles; also a subsidy, limited to $38,400, for 12 miles of railway .from
Lorette viti Charlesbourg to Quebec. Under date the 2nd of December, 1890,
both these subsidies were covered by one contract, the work to be completed
by the 1st of October, 1891.

By the Act 54-55 Vic, ch. 8, there was expressly voted the difference,
$5,250, between the $30,000 mentioned in the above subsidy for the St.
Charles bridge and the amount actually paid the company.

During the fiscal year there has been paid the sum of $70,350, making
the total payments up to the 30th of June, 1891, for both main line and
branches, $818,705. Since that date there has been paid the further sum of
$5,250, making the total payments to the company up to the 31st of Decem-
ber, 1891, $823,955.

TEMISCOUATA RAILWAY COMPANY.— RIVIERE DU LOUP

TO EDMUNDSTON.

(See Nos. 3, 62, 127, 141 and 226.)

Towards the construction of a line from Riviere du Loup or Riviere Ouelle,
or from some point between them, to Eclmundston, Parliament, in 1882, voted
a subsidy of $240,000, and by the Act 48-49 Vic , chap. 58, a further subsidy,
not exceeding $258,000 was voted for the same work, making a total subsidy
of $498,000.

Under express provisions of this Act a charter was granted by Orders in
Council of the 3rd and 7th of October, 1885, to certain persons constituting
aVThe Temiscouata Railway Company," their object being to build the said
road, and such charter, being published in the Canada Gazette of the 10th of
that month, has force and effect as if an Act of Parliament. This charter was
subsequently confirmed and amended by the special Act 50-51 Vic, ch. 71
(1887). Under the said charter the company have power to construct a road
from the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup to Edmunclston. On the
21st June, 1886, a contract was duty entered into with the company for the
work subsidized, the whole to be completed by the 1st of August, 1889. The
location of the road, 80 J miles via Lake Temiscouata and the River Mada-
waska, was approved of by an Order in Council of the 30th of September,
1886.

535

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

On the 22nd November, 1888, the company were permitted to open the
road for traffic.

By the Act 51 Vic, ch. 3 (1888), a subsidy of $100,000 was granted to
this company for 20 miles of their branch railway from Edmundston towards
the River St. Francis, in lieu of a subsidy granted the previously ear.

The company having applied to be admitted to contract, authority was
given by an Order in Council passed on the 31st of December, 1888, which also
approved of the location ; and the contract was signed on the 22nd January,
1881).

By the Act of 1890, 53 Vic, ch, 2, a subsidy to the limit of $51,200 was
authorized for a further distance of 16 miles. A contract under this subsidy
wa« made with the company on the 20th of October, 1891, covering the
distance, 12 miles, between Clair's siding and Connor's station. The branch
up to this point, 31 f miles, has been completed.

During the fiscal year payments have been made to the extent of $82,770,
and subsequently a further sum of $54,830 has been paid, making the total
payments up to the 31st of December, 1891, $624,800.

Exhibit " JS" 19, for the Crown ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTA VE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

On this day, the seventeenth of December, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-five, at the request of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company, duly incorporated and having its principal
place of business at the city of Quebec, I, Cy. Tessier, the undersigned notary
public for the province of Quebec, Canada, residing in the city of Quebec,
went to the office, in Quebec, of Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of Montreal,
Esquire, contractor, situate on St. Peter street, and then and there being and
speaking to himself,

I did say, intimate and make known unto him the said Horace, Janson
Beemer, that whereas by and in virtue of a certain contract entered into between
him and the said company, executed before Cy. Tessier, Notary, at Quebec, on
the tenth of July, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three, it is among
other things stipulated "that whereas the company and its directors have
expended time, labour and money for the building of the said Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway to an amount which by mutual consent is put down at
($450,000) four hundred and fifty thousand dollars, one of the conditions of
this contract is that the company shall be paid and refunded to the extent of
said sum of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars by the contractor, as
follows : ($200,000) two hundred thousand dollars out of the first moneys
derived from the first sale of bonds to be issued on the first and second sections
above described, but,- in any case, not later than in two years from this date."

And whereas the said two years have elapsed and expired since the tenth
of July, last (1885).

And whereas the said Horace Janson Beemer has not yet complied with
the requirements of the above cited clause, inasmuch as he has not yet paid
the said sum of two hundred thousand dollars nor any part or portion thereof.

And whereas the said company suffers great loss, damage and prejudice
by the fact that the above sum has not been paid.

536 '

Edgar versus Caron.

T, the said notary, at the request aforesaid, did summon and require the
said Horace Janson Beemer to comply forthwith with the above cited clause
and to pay without any further delay the said sum of two hundred thousand
dollars, in default of which the said company will hold him liable and account-
able for all prejudice, loss and damage and interest which they will sustain
from the default of payment of the said sum and the want of execution of the
above cited clause.

To which the said Horace Janson Beemer answered : "I have not paid
the two hundred thousand dollars because, notwithstanding every effort in
London and elsewhere, it has been found impossible to sell the bonds without
too great a sacrifice until the road is nearer completion, but the course pursued
has been in the best interest of all concerned, as the works are being rapidly
pushed and the company now have eighty-two miles of railway as security for
their money instead of thirty-two miles which they had when I took the road."

H. J. BEEMER.

I, the said notary, at the request aforesaid, have therefore protested and
by these presents do solemnly protest as well against the said Horace Janson
Beemer as against all others whom it may concern for all losses, costs, damages
and expenses which have been already suffered and sustained and which may
be hereafter suffered and sustained in consequence of the premises aforesaid.

This done and protested at the time and place aforesaid and recorded in
the office of the said undersigned notary, under the number six thousand nine
hundred and sixty-one.

And so that of the premises he may not pretend ignorance, I have left
with the said Horace Janson Beemer, speaking as aforesaid, an authentic copy
of these presents.

In testimonium veritatis.

CY. TESSIER, K P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office. One marginal
note good.

Exhibit u JS" 20, on cross-examination; filed 29th September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company.

Statement for the "Royal Commission," showing the details of the " actual
cash" expended in the construction and equipment of the road.

Monthly progress estimates paid to McCarron and Cam-
eron, contractors, for ten miles, St. Raymond to Lac
Simon, and to H. J. Beemer, contractor, from Lac
Simon to Roberval, and the Chicoutimi line, &c, per
statement attached hereto $3,417,077

Cost of rails and fastenings furnished by H. J.
Beemer, not included in the estimates, 154
miles at $2,802 per mile $431,508

Less allowed in the estimates 17,062

414,446

537

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Expended by construction company on 32 miles, C P.R.

Junction to St. Raymond f 450,000

Expended by Gosford shareholders on road-bed, prior. to

construction company : 100,000

$4,381,523

The difference between this sum and the total of the attached statement
of $4,547,971 received, can be accounted for by the interest paid to the Que-
bec Bank for ten years, on advances by the bank to the construction company
(included in the above $450,000) which interest amounts to about $148,000 ;
and by the interest upon advances made by Ross & Co. to Beemer, which is
included on his liability to them, but does not appear in the progress estimates.

J. G. SCOTT,

Quebec, 28th September, 1892. Secretary.

Statement of the amount of money received and expended in construction of
the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

Contracting company $450,000 00

Gosford shareholders 100,000 00

English bondholders (trust fund £200,000

sterling cash) 975,585 00

Ross & Co. (due them by Beemer) 220,000 00

City of Quebec grant...' 450,000 00

$2,195,585 00

Dominion subsidies $ 844,927 73

Provincial " 1,507,458 11

$2,852,385 84

$4,547,970 84

J. G. SCOTT,

Quebec, 28th September, 1892. Secretary,

Summary of Estimates, since the completion of the road to St. Raymond.
St. Raymond to Lake Simon, McCarron and Cameron... $ 66,981
Lake Simon to Roberval and Lorette line (i. e. main line)
Chicoutimi line and bridges, and Quebec terminus,
H. J. Beemer, viz. : —

Main line, through Ross & Co $1,906,486

" " sterling bonds 974,154

Quebec terminus, through banks 13,863

Chicoutimi line v" 315,446

bridges " 140,147

3,350,096

$3,417,077

538

Edgar versus Caron.

Attached hereto is estimate No. 38, being the progress estimate for
October, 1887, as a sample of the manner in which all advances were made
monthly by Ross & Co. to H. J. Beemer. Copies of the others may be fur-
nished if required.

J. G. SCOTT,

Quebec, 28th September, 1892. Secretary.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Statement of Progress Estimates of work done by McCarron and Comeron,

contractors, from 1st May, 1882.

Engineer. Section. Remarks.

Cadman St. Raymond

L. Simon $11,760 70

" 4,607 23

" 7,922 29

" 7,072 29

" 2,246 85

" 3,589 16

" 3,151 08

4,914 92

" 2,589 82

" 2,700 00

" 1,876 89

" 5,533 72

Add 10 p.c. drawback

• and deposit 9,015 92

No. Date.

1 Aug.

2 Sept.

3 Oct.

30
31

4 Nov.

5 0 Jan.

6 June 30

7 July

8 Aug.

9 Sept.
10 Oct.

31
31
30
31

11 Nov.

$66,980 87

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Statement of Progress Estimates of work done by H. J. Beemer, contractor.

No. Date. Engineer. Section. Remarks.

1884.

1 Aug. 1 Cadman Main line from

L. Simon to
Roberval... $55,334 25

2 Sept. 1 " 14,671 20

3 Oct. 1 " 18,412 25

4 Nov. 1 " 18,826 90

5 Dec. 1 " 18,267 65

1885.

6 Jan. 1 " 7,899 50

6| Feb. 1 " 15,650 29

7 Nov. 1 " 4,596 09

Nov. 1 « 27,129 30

8 April 1 " 51,610 75

9 May 1 " 30,227 70

10 June 1 « 20,063 45

11 July 1 « ; 41,254 70 Rails & Fast'<^. $70^0

539

56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

A. 1893

No. Date.

12 Aug. 1

13 Sept.

14 Oct.

15 Nov.

16 Dec.
13aSept%

1886.

17 Jan. 1

18 Feb.

19 Mar.

20 April

21 May

22 June

23 July

24 Aug.

25 Sept.

26 Oct.

Engineer.
Cadman

Section.

Remarks.

27 Nov.

28 Dec.

1887.

29 Jan.

30 Feb.

31 Mar.

32 April

33 May

34 June

35 July

36 Aug.

37 Sept.

38 Oct.

39 Nov.

40 Dec.

188

41 Jan.

42 Feb.

43 Mar.

44 April

45 May

46 June

47 July

48 Aug.

49 Sept.

50 Oct.

51 Nov.

52 Dec.

1889.
to June 1

Light

All div.
line...

34,058
26,638
23,109
42,263
34,828
34,317

23,092
19,027
23,346
38,444
40,509
41,489
52,719
51,445
55,503

80
00
00
00
00
50

00
00
00
00
00
00
00
00
00

mam

47,775 00
55,791 00
53,206 00

48,708
33,533
32,508
34,845
44,191
61,678
75,145
63,077
57,216
52,846
40,000
36.749

30,375

20,004

21,449

15,529

20,650

23,-22

26,192

8,551

15,199

13,655

6,011

8,362

49 Rails and fast'gs $2,180
40

90
45
20
45
75
00
62
00

50 Rails and fast'gs $6,952

(Statement).
05
80
60
85
90
10
44
60
20
00
00
60

94,676 53

$1,906,486 15

540

Nov.

Dec.
189C

10
>.

Jan.

Feb.

Mar.

15
16

Apr.
Jan.

22
12

17
18
19
20

July
Aug
Sep.

Oct.

Nov.

Dec.

Nov.

1891

Jan.

Mar.

30
31
32

Apr.
May
Jan.

June

34
35
36
37

July
Aug.
Sep.
Oct.

20
25
17
26

Nov.

a a

•

Edgar versus Caron.

H. J. Beemer's Progress Estimate paid from Sterling Trusl Fund.

No. Date Engineer. Section. ElEMABKS.

1889.

1 May '22 Light Several $ 18,850 00

2 July 17 " " 66,516 00

3 " 29 " " 40,700 00

4 Aug. 1 " " 51,900 00

5-6 Sep. 17 " " 11,574 68

7-8 Oct. 4 " " 29,840 00

11,982 25

25,461 00

20,160 85

19,892 55

17,949 50

3,774 80

6,135 10

13,285 56

32,444 74

33,401 28

25,468 16

20,000 00

5,000 00

J 33,^07 35

53,307 00

36,786 21

20,612 34

48,680 00

7,672 27

12,088 5i

5,684 88

7,388 89

5,398 86

18,000 68

9,000 00

24,134 00

20,854 99

4,290 59

21,583 46

17,741 07

1,620 60

$902,688 14
St. Charles' Bridge.

1 June 12 Light 46,304 80

2 July 14 " 3,695 20

3 Aug. 12 "■ 5,167 75

4 Sep. 4 " 8,207 30

5 Oct. 17 '• 8,090 80

$ 71,465 85

$974,153 99
541

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

From Banks — completing terminus in Quebec.
1891.

40 Dec, 24 Hoare $ 11,211 97

41 Jan.* 18 " 2,650 85

A. 1893

^13,862 82

No.

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
11

EL J. Bbemer's Progress Estimates, Chicoutimi Line.

Date. Engineer. Section.
1888.

Light Metabetchouan $3,162 40

10,970 40

Mar.

Apr.

May

June

July

Aug.

Sept.

Oct.

Jan.

1892.

May 1

June 1
July 1
Aug. 1
Sept. 1
6a Sept. 1
4a Aug 24

Hoare St. Jerdme and following.

Remarks.

6,975 20

21,358 30

20,752 20

6,230 32

963 00

450 00

240 00

$71,101 82

$14,478 00

9,500 00

16,608 44

39,736 11

61,970 99

19,950 62

82,100 00

$315,445 98

H. J. Beemer's Progress Estimates, Bridges on Chicoutimi Line.

No.

Date.

1891.
Mar. 1
Apr. 1
May 1
June 1
July 1
Aug. 1
Nov. 1

1892.
May 1
June 1

Engineer.

Hoare Bridges $3,643 75

" " 9,426 30

" „ " 14,527 25

" " ' 14,560 00

" " 10,595 00

" " 6,747 80

" " 8,426 50

Remarks.

65,757 10
6,464 00

$140,147 70

542

Edjrar versus Caron.

Exhibit " JS " 21, on cross-examination ; filed 29th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Engineer's Estimate of Work Done to 1st October, 1887.

Summary of Estimates.

Batiscan and Miguish $226,569 40 $225,069 40

He Edward 126,912 40 118,237 40

Pearl Lake 92,162 50 92,162 50

Lake Edward 111,148 74 109,148 74

Summit 106,691 90 106,691 90

Cedar Lake 88,722 15 *8,722 15

Joseph Louis 72,667 90 74,293 90

Noisv River 65,377 70 68,150 90

Lac Bouchette 93,843 30 105,128 72

Valcartier 2,058 25 2,058 25

Grignon Gully 70,258 90 113,007 30

Tanks 13,000 00 14,500 00

Repairing bridge, Quebec div 2,500 00 2,500 00

Ties for maintenance 9,550 50 9,550 50

Steel rails, Quebec div 700 00 700 00

Station, Riviere a Pierre "... 1,250 00 1,250 00

Ballast, Quebec div 1,078 69 1,078 69

Timber, sawn pine 3,137 90 3,137 90

Telegraph, completed 130 miles 2,060 40 6,500 00

Shops, Lake Edward 1,000 00 6,575 00

Location survey 37,500 00 40,000 00

Portland cement 510 00 510 00

Rails and fastenings 2,180 00 2,180 00

Proportion of rolling stock 58,500 00 60,050 00

13,030 cubic yards gravel from Beau-

det pit, repairing wash-outs 3,909 00 3,909 00

Fencing, 4 miles 1,024 00 2,048 00

$1,194,313 63 $1,257,160 25
1,194,313 63

Deduction by order of the board on $62,846 62

account of $20,000 advanced on
supplies 10,000 00

$52,846 62

Note. — $950 deducted for repairing car, see statement.
Approved.

A. L. LIGHT,

Acting Chief Engineer.
Approved by the board 18th October, 1887.

J. G. SCOTT,
Quebec, 17th October, 1887. Secretary.

543

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Statement of telegraph line.

130 miles complete from Lac Simon

to Pointeaux Trembles. §6,500 00

Less paid on account :

1st Nov., 1885, 30 miles, $1,500 (Transferred from

1st Jan.. 1887, 35 " 1,750 Bat. Mg.) Div.

lstJune,1887,388poles,80c.$310.40.. 3,560 40 Est.

$2,939 60

All clearing is completed according to contract, except 9 acres which has
been left for cord-wood and is not dangerous to surrounding timber ; the in-
complete clearing on Grignon Gully division is accounted for in estimate.

E. A. HOARE.

HORACE J. BEEMER, Contractor.

Constructing railways and financing therefor, a specialty.

162 St. James Street,

Montreal, 15th October, 1887.

Statement of items allowed on account of workshops at

Lake Edward :

Allowed in estimate of JNovember 1st, 1886 $1,000 00

Transferred from f Machinery and tools for repairs.. $1,325

He Edward <( Engine house and repair shop.. 1,150

division. (^ Water tank with steam pump.. 1,100 3,575 00

Buildings for stone offices, &c, taken from Lake Edward

division $2,000 2,000 00

$6,575 00

E. A. HOARE,
A. L. LIGHT.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Quebec, 15th October, 1887.

Rolling Stock Furnished by H. J. Beemer.
1884.

March 31. For 1 locomotive No. 5 $ 12,000

17 platform 7,820

2 box cars 1,120

1 snow-plough (built out of flat cars) 2,000

Aug. 2nd. 4 box cars 2,240

6 platform cars 2,760

1885.

Sept. 9th. 12 platform 5,520

Nov. 23rd. 1 locomotive, No. 7 12,000

544

Edgar versus Caron.

1886.

July 15th. 1 baggage express car 2,000

Sept. 27th. 40 platform cars 18,400

3 passenger cars from Boston , ' ; >00

Dec. 4th. 1 locomotive, ISTo. 9 12,000

1887.

Jany. 7th 1 locomotive, No. 10 12,000

August. 6 flats and 4 box (to replace 10 flats taken

on c) 5,000

1 locomotive, No. 11 12,000

Westinghouse brake equipment 900 •

1 snow-plough "snowbird." 1,550

$115,310
Less already paid as per estimate.. ..$ 58,500
Allowance on snow-plough "snow bird".... 1,550

60,050

Advance by Ross & Co., snow-plough acct...$ 55,260
Amount due on rolling stock 35,300

$ 19,960

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Batiscan, McGuick to date.....*. $ 226,569 40

Less 30 miles telegraph, transferred to tele-
graph acct. in summary 1,500 00

$ 225,069 40

E. A. HO ARE.
A. L. LIGHT.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Engineer's Estimate of work done to 1st October, 1887.

Ile Edward Division. Contractor.

Station. Work. Quantities. Remarks.

Amount as per previous estimate ... $126,912 40
Less amount allowed in Jan.-Mar.,
• 1886, transferred as follows 8,675 00

$118,237 40

"k"aThoare.

SnOW plough $1,550 00 Transferred to roll-

Survey 1,500 00 LoSon survey

Turntable 1,100 00 ***■

Repairing engine and cars. . . . ; 950 00 <*%££? ££**

Machinery and tools for repairs 1,325 00

Engine house and repair shop 1,150 00 ToshopsL. Edward.

Water tank with steam pump 1,100 00

A. L. LIGHT.
545
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN" RAILWAY.

L. Edward Division. Contractor

Amount as per estimate, 1st July., f 111,148 74
Less Buildings for store, office, &c,
transferred to shop at Lake
Edward 2,000 00

$109,148 74

E. A. HOARE.
A. L. LIGHT.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Joseph Louis Division — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.
Amount as per previous estimate .. $72,667 90
30 Acres clearing 1,890 00

$74,557 90
Less 330 telegraph poles now re-
turned on telegraph line 264 00

$74,293 90

~ E. A. HOARE,
A. L. LIGHT.

Memo, explanatory of the above.

Amount returned on previous est .. $74,557 90

Deducted by order of Mr. Light
from summary of Sept. estimate,
being half of the $3,780 1,890 00

72,647 90
Clearing, now complete 1,890 00

Less 330 telegraph poles now re- 74,557 90
turned in telegraph line work to
date on this division 264 00

$74,293 90

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Noisy River Division — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.

Amount as per previous estimate... $67,267 70

Earth widening, cutting .'... 1 .. 1Af7 9n

3824 C. Y. at 30 cts.... / ljl*' ZU

1,414 90
Less 330 poles returned , 264 00

In telegraph account $68,150 90

A. L. LIGHT. E. A. HOARE.

546

Edgar versus Caron.

Memorandum explanatory of the above : —

Amount returned as per previous

estimate $67,267 70

Deducted in summary of'SeptemO

ber estimate by Mr. Light I .. r,™ ()0

for imperfect clearing, being |
one-half of the item 3,780.... J

$65,377 70

Clearing — now complete 1,890 00

7962-7967 Earth widening cuttings 1,147 20

$68,414 90
Less telegraph poles returned on

telegraph line 264 00

150 90

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

L. Bouchette Division — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.
Station. Work. Quantities, Remarks.

I Amount as per previous estimate. $93,843 30

Culvert pipe at 8,208 900 00

9,014 Cub. yds. earth widening at 8,293 2,704 20

14,485 Cub. yds. ballast and fitting $30 4,345 50

94,752 Feet B. M. pine timber $35 3,316 32

Note.

$105,109 32 This item will
b e distributed
over the 4th Divi-
sion next month.
Less — 3,520 fence posts now re-
turned in the fencing 352 00

$104,757 32
2,118 Cubic yards earth omitted last

month, not being measured 635 40

$105,392 72
Less 330 poles transferred to tele-
graph account _ 264 00

$105,128 72

E. A. HOARE.

A. L. LIGHT.
547

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Engineer's Estimate of work done to 1st October, 1887.
Grignon Gully Division. — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.

Station. Work. Quantities. Remarks.

8522 Stone drain 133 C. Y.

Earth ditch 300

142

8525 " " 1361

8527 Stone drain... 1*3

8531 " " 50

8532 Timber 644 L.Ft.

8522-8533-50 Earth 1842 C. Y.

8534 Rock 676

8534 Earth 130

8536-8549-50 " 1516

8551 Rock 4^

8551 Earth 55

8553 " 2865

8550-8560 Rock 1336

8550-8560 Earth 134

8553-30 Stone drain 69

8562-8567 Earth 1875

8568 Rock 140

8569-8574 Earth 924

8569-8574 Stone drain 67

8574-8578 Rock 6U8 i

8574-8578 Earth 2032

8581 Stone drain 26

8580-8590 Earth 1286

8587 Rock 87

8590 " 15

8590-8597 Earth 1087

8592 Timber 450 L. Ft.

8597-8599 Rock 52 C. Y-

8599-8604 Earth 974

8605 Rock 33

8606-8624 Earth 3300

8619 Timber 430 L. Ft.

8622 Rock 30 C. Y.

8624-8626 " ' 189

8636-8630 Rip-rap 342

8631 Rock :... 417

8634-8639 Earth 4112

8635 Stone drain 39 C. Y.

8639-8640 Rock 25

8641-8644 Earth 1352

8643 Stone drain. 43

8645 Rock... 320

8645-8649 Earth 1888

8650-8653 Rock 565

548

Edgar versus Caron.

Station. \\ ork. Quantities. Remarks.

8653-8656 Earth 6582

8656-8659 Rock 456

8659-8664 Earth 18522

8664-8666 Rock 370

8666-8672 Earth 9362

8666-8672 Rock' 27:,

8672-8676 Earth 4826

8672-8676 Culvert 98

8672-8676 Rock 125

8676-8686 Earth 3892

8676-8686 Rock 60

8686-8696 Earth 2980

8686-8696 Rock 113

8686-8096 Culvert 87

8696-8712 Earth 4642

8696-8712 Rock 80

8712-8719 Earth 1340

8712-8719 Rock 67

8712-8719 Culvert 450 L. Ft.

8720-8735 Earth 5280

8720-8735 Rock 325

8720-8735 Cattle-guards 280

8735-8745 ' Earth 2730

8735-8745 Rock 70

8745-8749 Earth 11212

8745-8749 Rock 80

8745-8749 Cross-laying 1371

8745-8749 Culvert...... 87

8749-8736 Earth 3734

8749-8756 Rock 426

8757-8766 Earth 8144

8757-8766 Rock 325

QUEBEC AKD LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Engineer's Estimate of work done to 1st October, 1887. 0

Grignon Gully Division — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.
Station Work. Quantities. Remarks.

8766-8770 Earth 4220

Rock 120

Culverts • 56

Cross laying 555

8770-8780 Earth ..' 5640

Rock 210

Culvert 293

Cross laying 460

8780-8788 Earth , 3200

8780-8788 Rock 70

8789-8801 Earth 2680

Rock 210

549

56 Victoria.

Station.

8805-8810

X812-8816
8817-8821
8822-8830

8830-8832
8830-8836
8836-8839
8839-8846

8839
8846-8851
8856-8880
8883-8898
8903-8909
8910-8914

8917-8918
8917-8918
8919-8921
8922-8924
8926-8956
8926-8956
8940-8941

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)

Work. Quantities.

Cross laying 560

Earth 460

Rock 480

Rip-rap 221

Rock . 130

Rock 480

Earth 1260

Rock 120

Rock 237

Earth 620

" 1630

Rock 756

Culvert 71

Earth 880

" ... 2500

" 1325

" 4420

Culvert 59

Rock 370

" 49

Earth .', 220

Rock 319

Earth 100

" 1115

Rock 85

Rock 123

A. 1895
Remarks.

Station

140,191

11,208

1,761

1,^04

563

100

23,(J60

11,428

932

24,402

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY. •

Engineer's Estimate of work done to 1st October, 1887.
Grignon Gully Division — H. J. Beemer, Contractor.

Work Quantities Remarks.

SUMMARY.

C. Y. Earth 30c. '42,057.30

C. Y. Rock 160 17,932.80

C. Y. S. Drain 400 7,044.00

L Ft. Timber 20 360.80

C. Y. Rip-rap 200 1,126.00

Ac. Clearing 63 6,300.00

Tamarack ties 25 5,915.00

Spruce 20 2,285.60

Telegraph poles 80 745.60 On hand for

other division

Fence posts 10 2,440.20

Fence wire 2,000.00

Shanties 1,000.00

Turntable 1,100 Taken from Lake

Edward div.
550

Edgar versus Caron.

Station. "Work. Quantities. Remarks.

G,000 C. Y. Ballastind Filling.... 80 1,800
Prop. Expenses forwarding

supplies, &c 20,000

4 Miles track-laying 900

$113,007.30

A. E. HO ARE.
A. L. LIGHT. '

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Engineer's Estimate of work done to 188

DivisroN Contractor.

Station. Work. Quantities.

Statement of location, survey account
Lake Simon Division, 10 miles

$500 per mile $5,000 00

Riviere a Pierre, 10 miles 5,000 00

Batiscan, 10 miles 5,000 00

Miqui, 10 miles 5,000 00

Joseph Louis, 10 miles 5,000 00

Noisy River, 10 miles 5,000 00

Lac Bouchette, 10 miles 5,000 00

Grignon Gully, 10 miles 5,000 00

Paid in estimate 1st June, 1886,

on account Miqui Division $ 1,500 00

Paid in estimate 1st January, 1887. 37,500 00

$40,000 00

39,000 00

Due 1st October, 1887 81,000 00

This item for survey on the other
division, namely: He Edward,
Pearl Lake, Lake Edward, Sum-
mit and. Cedar Lake has been
charged and paid on each of the
said divisions separately ; in all,
$25,000, making a total of $65,-
000 paid on this account or equal
to 130 miles at $500 per mile $65,000 00

551

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " JS " 22, for the Crown ; filed 2nd November, 1892.

GTJSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

. . SHAREHOLDERS' MEETING.

Quebec, 9th July, 1883.

At a meeting of the shareholders of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Lumbering and Trading Company, called by registered notice
through the post office, dated the 4th instant, in accordance with by-law No.
4, for the purpose of entering into a contract for the completion of the railway
to Lake St. John, and held at the company's office at 3 p. m. this day, there
were present :

W. Withall, President. E. Beaudet, Vice-President.

J. B. Renaud, L. P. Vallee, executor estate

of late P. Vallee.
Hon. P. Garneau, E. Giroux,

J. G. Ross, Hon. A. P. Caron,

Hon. E. Thibaudeau, M. W. Baby (by request).

The minutes of the two last meetings of shareholders were read and
confirmed.

Mr. H. J. Beemer was present by request and Mr. Cyrille Tessier, Notary
Public, and Mr. A. S. Light,

The President read a notarial protest from Mr. J. B. Renaud against the
signing of the contract.

The Notary read a written opinion from Mr. J. G. Bosse, Q.C., suggest-
ing certain modifications in the proposed contract, and also a subsequent letter
from him, stating that the modifications he had suggested are now embodied
in the draft of the contract, and that he now considered the rights of the
company fully protected.

Mr. J. B. Renaud left the meeting.

Mr. J. G. Ross and Mr. F. W. Andrews, the company's solicitor, entered.

Mr. Renaud' s protest was again read.

The Notary read the proposed contract with Mr. Beemer, which was
discussed, clause by clause.

Mr. Beemer agreed to pay the extra $1,000 per annum asked by Mr.
Light for his salary as consulting engineer, and the scale of annual salaries to
be paid by the contractor was therefore altered to $11,000 instead of $10,000
per annum.

It being six o'clock, the meeting then adjourned until two p. m., to-
morrow.

Confirmed May 31st, 1884.

J. G. SCOTT. W. WITHALL,

Secretary. President.

(A true copy.)

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretory.

552

Edgar versus Caron.

SHAREHOLDERS' MEETING.

Quebec, 10th July, 1883

At a meeting of the shareholders of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway Lumbering & Trading Co., adjourned from yesterday, the 9th instant,
and held at the company's office at 2 p.m., this/lay, for the purpose of enter-
ing into a contract with Mr. H. J. Beemer for the completion of the railway
to Lake St. John, notice of the adjourned meeting having been given to all
shareholders by circular, there were present :

W. Withall, Prest. E. Beaudet, V. P.

J. G. Ross, Hon. A. P. Caron,

Hon. I. Thibaudeau, Hon. P. Garneau.

Mr. H. J. Beemer, Mr. A. L. Light, and Mr. F. W. Andrews were present
by request, and Mr. C. Tessier, ]ST. P.

The reading of the'proposed contract with Mr. Beemer was continued
from the point reached at yesterday's meeting, by the notary.

At Mr. Ross' suggestion the clause referring to the pledging of the subsi-
dies for advances was altered by adding that the same would not be pledge* I
at anv one time for a greater mileage than 40 miles.

Some other alterations were proposed and, after approval by Mr. Andrews
and the contractor, inserted by the notary in the contract.

In the reply to the President, Mr. Andrews said that he did not consider
that Mr. Renaud's protest constituted a reason for not signing the contract, as
his interests are protected by the clause inserted by his lawyer, Mr. Bosse.

Moved by Hon. P. Garneau, seconded by J. G. Ross : —

"That the contract with Mr. H. J. Beemer for the completion and equip-
ment of the railway 1 3 Lake St. John, as now finally amended, and which
has been read to this meeting by the notary, C. Tessier, Esq., be approved, and
the president and secretary of this company are hereby authorized to sign the
same on behalf of the company." — Carried.

The notary then completed the contract, which was signed by the presi-
dent and secretary and by Mr. Beemer.

A letter from Mr. M. W. Baby, objecting to the contract with Mr.
Beemer, stating his claims against the company and the amount for which he
was willing to compromise them, was submitted to the meeting.

The meeting then adjourned.
[Read and approved.]

May 31st, 1884.
J. G. SCOTT, W. WITHALL,

Secretary. President.

(A true copy.)

J. G. Scott,

Secretary.

Proposed by Hon. I. Thibaudeau, seconded by John Ross,

That the secretary do write to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Company requesting them to pass a resolution of the board, declaring as
required by the law passed last session that the company have decided to
accept a cash subsidy of 70 cents per acre, instead of the land grant of 5,000
acres per mile from the province of Quebec.

Carried.
553

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Proposed by Hon. P. Garneau, seconded by E. Beaudet,

That the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company be requested to
execute a bond or debenture in favour of this company for forty thousand
dollars to be given to the Government of the province of Quebec, as security
for an advance of $25,000 to be made on the subsidy upon ten miles from
station 3770 to station 4298.

Carried.

Proposed by Hon. -P. Garneau, seconded by E. Beaudet,

That the president and secretary be and are hereby authorized to transfer
to the Government of the province ot Quebec, by endorsement thereon, a bond
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company for forty thousand dollars
as security for an advance of $25,000 to be made on the subsidy upon ten
miles, from station 3770 to station 4298, as per Act 47 Vic. chap. 70, sec. 3.

Carried.

A petition was read from the freighters, customers of the road, asking for
a reduction in the freight of cord wood owing to the great depression in the
market for that article.

After discussion, it was resolved to reduce the rates (to customers of 100
cars and over) by taking off $1.50 per car to Quebec, and so as to relieve the
Quebec market, $2.50 per car on any wood shipped to Montreal during the
months of July and August, beginning 2<>th July.

In reference to a letter from Mr. Rosa as to the sum of $882 which he
owes for freight, and for which 30 cars of slabs are now held on demurrage
as security, it was resolved to notify Mr. Sewell that, as he gets the rebate on
this freight, he must be held responsible for it, and in the meantime to hold
the 30 cars until Rosa pays or gives security for the freight.

Secretary was directed to send to H. J. Beemer a copy of Mr. A. L.
Light's letter as to the necessity of great precaution to prevent bush fires in
clearing the line.

The granting of a power of attorney to the Quebec Bank, Ottawa, to
collect subsidies (for account of Ross & Co.) was authorized.

Secretary was authorized to oiler Mr. J. A. Gagne, M.P., $15 per annum
for inserting time table in a newspaper proposed to be established at Chicou-
timi.

The payment of Mr Light's order to rate Mr. S. Oliver, draughtsman and
assistant engineer, at $50 per month, was approved, Mr. Beemer paying
balance of his salary.

Sir A. P. Caron entered the meeting and urged that the proposed branches
to St. Gabriel West and St. Ambroise and thence to the city, should be begun
without delay, and an independent entrance to the city would save the com-
pany the heavy terminal charges of the Canadian Pacific Railway, (some
$12,000 per annum) and would give the road a large additional traffic.

After some discussion, on motion of Hon. P. Garneau, it was resolved
that the secretary do write Mr. Beemer, requesting him to survey the St.
< ■;! Uriel branch, and 3 miles of the St. Ambroise line, as far as the village, and
suggesting that he should obtain promises of sale for the right of way from
the Indian village to Quebec, and recommending Messrs. Delage, N.P., and
I in rnabe Parent, as suitable persons to secure this right of way.

Mr. A. L. Light's estimate of the work done by Mr. H. J. Beemer, in
• lime, amounting, after deducting $10,000 for supplies — to $52,719, was
approved and ordered to be certified, Mr. Beemer to furnish Mr. Ross a state-
menl of supplies remaining on hand.

554

Edgar versus Caron.

Sundry accounts:

F. Leblanc S 81 50

F. 0. Vallerand 20 85

J. Belanger : 49 62

BissetBros Ill 17

Quebec Engine Co 18 00

Echo des Laurentides 15 00

Small accounts 40 75

J. E. Livernois 51 00

Petty cash 26 76

$414 65
The following promissory notes were authorized :

A. L. Light, salary to 10th July $500 00

Beaudet & Chinic 319 34

And the following payment* :

Men's wages for June 2,443 21

Extra men fixing sidings and platforms. 294 18

For firewood, note due 19th July 1,800 00

Jas. Cadman's salary % 1,500 00

Sundry small accounts 414 65

The meeting then adjourned.

Read and approved, 7th August, 1886.

J. G. SCOTT, J. G. ROSS.

Secretary.

Quebec, 1st August, 1882.

At a meeting of the directors of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company, held at the company's office at 4 p.m this
day there were present.

W. WITHALL, President.

J: G. ROSS,

HON. J. THIBAUDEAU,

HON. A. P. CARON,

M. W. BABY, (by request).

The minutes of the last two meetings were read and confirmed.

The correspondence was read :

Resolved, to allow Clarke, Reeves & Co., the whole of the month of De-
cember to complete and erect the St. Anne bridge. Price to be $21,500 in-
stead of $22,950 as tendered. Read their telegram, just received, agreeing to
the above.

Resolved, to allow John Morrisey $100, as compensation for not removing
his house at St. Catharines, and to keep his house insured for §400.

Resolved to cable W. S. Ogden, to see James, of Bristol, about freight
upon rails.

Resolved, to allow "W. L. Cameron and A. Cameron to pass over the
road, while employed on construction, at half-fare.

Resolved, to pay F. Founder's funeral expenses, and half of his doctor's
bill and charge to his account, to go against the land pledged as security for
the present.

555

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Resolved, to waive exacting personal securities from Mr. Cameron and
Cameron.

Resolved to have excursions on Wednesday and Saturday afternoons.

The following payments were authorized : — $1,114.88 pay list constn,
$1,650 pay list traffic, $150 to Capt. Guenard ; Sewell, P.L S., $38.00, $22.75
for tallow and $20 for patent scales.

Meeting then adjourned.

J. G. SCOTT,

Secretary.

Quebec, 16th July, 188.6.

At a meeting of the directors of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
Lumbering and Trading Company, held at the company's office 4 p.m. this
day, there were present :

Hon. J. G. Ross, Presl. E. Beauclet, V.P.,

Hon. P. Garneau, John Ross,

Hon. I. Thibaudeau, Hon. Sir. A. P. Caron.

The minutes of the two last previous meeting were read and confirmed.
The following letter from Mr. H. J. Beemer was read to the meeting :

" Quebec, 16th July, 1886.
" J. G. Scott,

" Secretary Quebec and Lake St. John Ry.

" Dear Sir. — Will you please have a resolution passed by the board de-
claring, as required by the law passed last session, that the company have
decided to accept a cash subsidy of 70 cents per acre instead of the land
grant of 5,000 acres per mile from the province of Quebec ?

Please also have a debenture issued for $40,000 to be given the Pro-
vincial Government as security for an advance of $25,000 to be made on the
subsidy upon 10 miles from station 3770 to station 4298.

This debenture, together with $220,000 already issued to the Govern-
ment for similar advances, anci $125,000 issued to the corporation of Quebec,
as collateral, to be charged to my account, until redeemed.

Please also issue debentures to the corporation of Quebec, as required,
in exchange for future payments of $25,000 each of their stock subscription.

" Yours truly,

'.' H. J. BEEMER."

Exhibit "HJB" 1, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

OUST. IIAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Cash Book No. 1. Page 191.

June 28th, 1887. Extraordinary account. Paid
Ross A: Co., note on account G. E. F., dated 3rd

February, 1887, A. P. C $5,000

556

Edgar versus ( !aron.

Cash Book, No. 1. Page 197.

July 19th, 1887. Extraordinary account. Paid
Ross & Co., note on account G. E. B\, dated
18th February, 1887, A. P. C 5,000

Cash Book, No. 2. Page 14.

September 19th, 1887. Extraordinary account.
Paid Ross & Co., note on account G. E. F.,
dated 6th July 5,000

Cash. Book, No. 2. Page 20.

October 22nd, 1887. Extraordinary account. Paid
note favour Ross & Co., on account G. E. F.
A. P. C 5,000

Cash Book, No. 2. Page 46.

January 19th, 1888. Extraordinary account. Paid
Ross & Co., on account G. E. F., half of note
584, of $5,000 2,500

Cash Book, No. 2. Page 88.

May 21st, 1888. B. P. Paid No. 595 2,500

Cash Book, No. 2. Page 292.

July 22nd, 1890. Extraordinary account. Paid
check drawn by H. J. Beemer, on Merchants
Bank, 18th inst., re A. P. C 1,000

Check drawn 21st, do 1,000

Cash Book, No. 3. Page 44.

April 12th, 1892. Extraordinary account. Paid

No. 1834. Note 1,000

Cash Book. No. 3. Page 54.

May 31st, 1892. Extraordinary account. Paid No.

1944, Chinic Hd. Co 1,000

Cash Book, No. 3. Page 68.

July 19th, 1892. Extraordinary account. Paid

No. 2088. Chinic Hd. Co 1,000

§30,000

Exhibit "HJB " 2, for the Crown ; tiled 30th September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.

Memorandum of Notes re H. J. Beemer.

Feb. 3rd, 4 months due June 6th, 1887, $5,000, paid in full June 27th, 1887,
Feb. 3rd, 5 " " July 6th, 1887, $5,000, renewal due Sept. 9th, 1887.

and paid September 19th.

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Feb. 3rd, 6 months, due Aug. 6th, 1887, $5,000, renewal due Nov. 9th, 1887,

renewal due Jan. 18th, 1888.
Jan. 17th, 1888, paid $2,500 and note for $2,500 due May 21st, 1888, and

paid in Quebec Bank same day.
Feb. 18th, 4 months, due June 21st, 1887, $5,000, renewed 4 months due Oct.

24th, 1887, and then paid.
Feb. 18th, 5 months, due July 20th, 1887, $5,000, and paid then.

Exhibit " HJB " 3, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

Due , No.

$5,000. Montreal, 3rd Feb, 1887.

Six months afcer date, I promise to pay to the order of Messrs. Ross &
Co. at the Quebec Bank, Quebec, five thousand dollars, for value received.

H. J. BEEMER.
Rec. 2368. Due 3-6 Aug.

Marked on the face : Aug. 6 — 652.

Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 4, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

$5,000. Quebec, 6th July, 1887.

Two months after date, I promise to pay to the order of Ross & Co., five
thousand dollars, at the Quebec Bank, here. Yalue received.

H. J. BEEMER.
No. 2503. Due 6-9 Sept.

Marked on the face : Sept. 9. 898. Exd. Rec.
Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 5, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

$5,000. . Quebec, 9th November, 1887.

On 15th January next, after date, I promise to pay to the order of Messrs.
Ross & Co., five thousand dollars, at the Quebec Bank.

II. J. BEEMER.
No. 2701. Due 18th January, 1888.

Marked on the face : Jan. 18. 2212. Exd.
Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

558

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "HJB" 6, for the Crown ; tiled 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

$5,000. Quebec, 21st June, 1887.

Four months after date, I promise to pay to the order of Ross & Co., five
thousand dollars, at the Quebec Bank, here. Value received.

H. J. BEEMER.
No. 2481. Due 21-24 October.

Marked on the face : 115 J. Exd.

Marked on the baek : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 7, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

$2,500.- Quebec, 18 January, 1888.

Four months after date, I promise to pay to the order of Ross & Co., two
thousand five hundred dollars, at the Quebec Bank, here. Value received.

H. J. BEEMER.
No. 595. Due 18-21 Aug. Rec. 2710.

Marked on face : May 21st. 2907. Exd.
Marked on back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 8, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
No. 1713. Quebec, 27th June, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Ross & Co., or order, five
thousand dollars.

H. J. BEEMER,
$5,000. Per Harry G. Beemer, his Attorney..

Ernest F. Wurtele.

Marked on face: Quebec Bank, June 27, 1887. Paid. Quebec. Exd.
Marked on back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

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Exhibit " HJB" 9, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 1762. Quebec, 19th July, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Ross & Co., or order, five
thousand dollars.

H. J. BEEMER,
85,000. Per Harry G. Beemer, his Attorney.

Ernest F. Wurtele.

Marked on face : Quebec Bank, July 19, 1887. Paid. Quebec. Exd.
Marked on back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 10, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL

Clerk,, B.C.

No. 1872. Quebec, 19th Sept., 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Ross & Co., or order, five
thousand dollars ($5,000).

H. J. BEEMER.

Marked on the face : 25 — CCS. Quebec Bank, Sept. 19th, 1887, paid
Quebec.

Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit "HJB" 11, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, B. C.

No. 1897. Quebec, 20th Oct., 1887.

To the cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Ross & Co., or order, five
thousand dollars ($5,000).

H. J. BEEMER.

Marked on the face : 25— CCS. Quebec Bank, Oct. 20th, 1887, paid
Quebec.

Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

5G0

Edgar versus Caron.

Exhibit "HJB" 12, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, L892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL.

Clerk, B.C.
No. 2000.

Quebec, 18th January, 1888.

To the cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Ross & Co., or order, two thou-
sand live hundred dollars.

H. J. BEEMEU.
$2,500.

Marked on the face : Quebec Bank, Jan. 18, 1888. Paid. Quebec. Exd.

Marked on the back : Per Ross & Co., James Geggie.

Exhibit " HJB " 13, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
No. 2120.

Quebec, 21st May, 1888.

To the cashier of the Quebec Bank, pay Quebec Bank, or order, two
thousand five hundred dollars.

H. J. BEEMER,
$2,500. per Harry G. Beemer,

his Atty.
Ernest F. Wurtele.

Marked on the face : Quebec Bank, May 21st, 1888. Paid. Quebec. Exd.
Marked on the back : Alex. Forrest, Teller.

Exhibit " HJB " 14, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Quebec, 11th July, 1884.

On this day, the eleventh of July, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and eighty-four,

Before me, Jacques Auger, the undersigned Notary Public for the
province of Quebec, in Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came
and appeared Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of Montreal, contractor, of
the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec,
merchant, trading under the name and style of Ross & Co. of the second
part ;

Which said parties have declared, covenanted and agreed as follows :
"Whereas the said Horace Janson Beemer requires the advance of the sum of
ninety-seven thousand four hundred and twenty-three dollars to enable him
to complete ten miles of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway between
station No. 2186 at Lake Simon, and station No. 2714 near the Riviere a la
Pierre, and the said Horace Janson Beemer did apply to the said Ross & Co.,

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and request them to make the said advance for the said purpose, which they
agreed to make upon the conditions hereinafter mentioned and contained.
Now, these presents and I, the said Notary, witness that in consideration of
the said Horace Janson Beemer granting the securities hereinafter contained,
the said James Gibb Ross, trading as aforesaid, hath agreed to advance unto
him for the purpose of enabling him to finish and complete the said ten miles
of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, the said sum of ninety-seven thou-
sand four hundred and twenty-three dollars in promissory notes or cash at the
option ot the said Ross & Co. as follows ;

Ten thousand dollars at the execution hereof, and the balance upon and
for the amounts of the certificates of the Quebec and Lake St. John Com-
pany's engineer, on the first of August, for the work done between the first
of the present month and the first of August, next, and of each subsequent
month, for the work done on the road during the previous month. It being-
understood that the last payment shall not be made until the said Ross & Co.
are satisfied that the work has been done in such a manner as to entitle the
said contractor to receive the subsidies hereinafter mentioned.

And it is agreed that the advances aforesaid shall be made in accordance
with the memorandum marked A, and the engineer's estimate marked B,
which are respectively annexed to these presents and signed by the said par-
ties, and by the said undersigned notary, ne varietur. And it is also agreed
and covenanted by and between the said parties, that the said Horace Jan-
son Beemer shall finish and complete the said ten miles of railway in such a
manner as to be accepted by the engineers of the Federal and Provincial
Governments and by the engineer of the city of Quebec. And the said
Horace Janson Beemer doth agree to allow and grant to the said Ross & Co.
a commission of five per cent, on the amount of the said advances and interest
at the rate of seven per cent, per annum, and to repay and refund unto the
said Ross & Co. the advances made under the present agreement on or before
the twentieth day of November, next, together with the interest and commis-
sion aforesaid.

And as security for the repayment of the said advance, interest and com-
mission as aforesaid, the said Horace Janson Beemer did and doth hereby
transfer, assign and set over unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as afore-
said, accepting hereof the said Horace Janson Beemer' s right to draw the
following subsidies, which are payable on the completion of the said ten miles
of railway, namely : — The province of Quebec subsidy at five thousand dollars
per mile, making the sum of fifty thousand dollars ; The said province of
Quebec subsidy, (special advance under the Provincial Act No. 151, a copy of
which is hereunto annexed, marked C, said act being passed in the last session
of the Quebec Legislature) at two thousand five hundred dollars per mile,
forming the sum of twenty-five thousand dollars, and the Dominion ot Canada
subsidy at three thousand two hundred dollars per mile, amounting to the
sum of thirty-two thousand dollars, the aggregate amount of the said subsidies
being one hundred and seven thousand dollars, to have and to hold the same
unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as aforesaid, as his own goods and
chattels, with power and authority to receive and recover the same from the
Provincial and Federal Governments, respectively.

And it is agreed that the resolution of the board of directors of the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company transferring the above mentioned
subsidies to the said Ross & Co. shall be furnished by the said Horace Janson
Beemer.

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And it is further expressly agreed and understood that all the advances
made under this agreement are to be applied only to the work upon the .said
ten miles of railway, and for no other purposes whatever.

And it is further agreed that in the event of promissory notes being
granted by the said Ross & Co. the same shall be calculated as equivalent to
cash on the day on which they respectively fall due.

And it is also expressly agreed that in the event of the said Horace
Janson Beemer failing or neglecting to perform the work required to complete
and finish the said ten miles of railway, or if the same be not accepted by the
inspecting engineers of the said railway, the said Ross & Co. shall have the right
and privilege of entering into possession of the said section often miles, and
shall cause the same to be completed at the cost and expense of the said
Horace Janson Beemer and in order that they ma}7 be entitled to draw the
subsidies aforesaid.

This done and passed at Quebec as aforesaid on the day and year first
above written under the number four thousand five hundred and twenty-
seven.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with me the said notary,
these presents being first duly read according to law.

H. J. BEEMER,
JAS. G. ROSS,
JAC. AUGER, KP.

A true copy of the original hereof remaining of record in my office.
Two works erased are null and void.

Jac. Auger, N.P.

Memo, of advances required to complete 10 miles of road from Lake Simon,
going north.

Engineer's estimate of the total cost of this section at full contract

prices $159,523

Less cost of rails and fastenings included, which have

been provided for by Corporation of Quebec subsidy $32,100

Less work already done on this section in progress since

October, 1883, as per Engineer's estimates 30,000

62,100

Advance required $97,423

{From now till 31st October next.)

Advance to be paid monthly on the certificates of the company's
engineer for work done during the previous month.

The advance to be repaid not later than the 15th November, 1884, out of
the following subsidies, payable on the completion of each ten miles, which
will be transferred as security, viz : —

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Province of Quebec cash subsidy, 10 miles at $5,000 $50,000

do do special advance, 10 do 2,500 25,000

Dominion of Canada cash subsidy, 10 do 3,200 32,000

107,000
Advance required 97,423

Margin to cover interest, &c $9,577

Memo. — Any reasonable guarantee will be given that the work will be
finished in the time named, and for the sum stated. The contractor estimates
that there will be a profit of fully 20 per cent, on the $97,423 at the prices
named in this estimate.

This is the memorandum of advances, marked A, referred to in the con-
tract to which the present is annexed.

Dated this eleventh day of July, 1884.

H. J. BEEMER,

JAS. G. ROSS,

J AC. AUGER,

K F
(A true copy.)

Jac. Auger,

N.P.

QUEBEC AND LAKE ST. JOHN RAILWAY.

Statement of approximate quantities of work to be done and value thereof
upon the second ten miles beyond St. Raymond, beginning at Lake
Simon, calculated from survey.

(Quantities

Kid, jo?

23,181

28,000

8,610

7,205

120

I Ascription.

Acres clearing and grubbing

Cubic yards of earthwork

Cubic yards <>f rock

Miles masonry, bridges and culverts .

M lies rails and fastenings

Miles track-laying and ballasting. . . .

Ties ' .

< 'ul n< yards of stone tilling and drains

Cubic feet, of timber, &c

Lineal feel of Howe trussing

Total for' ten miles, exclusive of rolling stock, station, fencing.

Rate.

ft cts.

(53 00

0 30

1 (50
635 00

32 10
825 00

0 25

1 00
0 30

40- 00

Amount.

* cts.

5,040 00

48,122 10

37,08!) 60

6,350 00

32,100 00

8,250 00

7,000 00

8,010 00

2,161 50

4,800 00

159,523 20

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Edgar versus (1aron.
Third ten miles beyond St. Raymond.

IJuantitie

I )escrip1 ion

80
161,000

2:5,20(1

28,000

8,610

7. 205

21 io

Acres clearing and grubbing
Cubic yards of earthwork

Cubic yards of rock work . . .

Ii;i0

$ eta.

Miles masonry, bridges and culverts 635 00

Miles rails and fastenings

Miles track-laying and Ballasting

Ties •

Cubic yards stone filling and drains

Cubic feet timber

Lineal feet Howe trussing

s ,-t>.

63 no

5,040 00

(i 30

18,300 "I"

1 co

37,120 oil

635 ok

6,350 mi

3,210 oo

32,100 on

825 oo

8,250 no

0 25

7,0(10 (Ml

1 00

8,610 00

ii 30

2,161 50

Ki on

1(1. 1(1(1 (HI

Exclusive of rolling stock, &c 165,331 50

Fourth ten miles beyond St. Raymond.

Quantities

Description.

SO Acres clearing and grubbing.
140,000 ! Cubic yards of earthwork .
5,000 J Cubic yards of rock.

100

5,000

6,000

Miles masonry, bridges and culverts.
Miles track-laying and ballasting .

Miles rails and fastenings

Miles ties

Lineal feet Howe trussing

Cubic yards stone filling and drains.
Cubic yards timber

Exclusive of rolling stock, &c. .

Rate.

s cts.

03 00

0 30

1 60
680 00

825 00
3,210 00

40 00
1 00
0 30

Amount,

| Cts.

5,040 OH
42,000 00
S,000 00
0,800 00
8,250 00
32,100 00
7,000 00
4.000 00
5,000 00
1,800 00

119,990 00

JAS. CADMAN,

Chief Engineer.
St. Raymond, 8th November, 1883.

This is the engineer's estimate marked " B," referred to in the contract'
to which the present is annexed, dated this eleventh day of July, 1884.

H. J. BEEMER,

JAS. G. ROSS,

J AC. AUGER, KP.

(A true copy.)

Jac. Auger, !N".P.

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Exhibit "IIJB" 15, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

On this day, the eighth of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and eighty-four,

Before me, William Darling Campbell, the undersigned Notary Public for
the province of Quebec, in Canada, residing in the city of Quebec,

Personally came and appeared Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, railway contractor, of the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec,
merchant, trading under the name and style of Ross & Co., of the second
part ;

"Which said parties have declared, covenanted and agreed as follows :
Whereas the said Horace Janson Beemer has, through the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway Company, made a transfer to the said Ross & Co. of the
Quebec corporation subsidy on section number 2186 of ten miles of the said
railway for two thousand five hundred dollars per mile, as appears by an
extract from the minutes of a meeting of the directors of the said company
held on the fourth instant, which said extract is hereunto annexed, signed by
the parties hereto and by me the said Notary, ne varietur;

And whereas the said transfer has been made as security for advance
which the said Ross & Co. are to make to the said Horace Janson Beemer for
the purpose of enabling the latter to complete the said ten miles of railway,
which said advances, to the extent of the sum of twenty-two thousand six
hundred and seventy-one dollars, the said Ross & Co. agreed to make in consi-
deration of the said transfer and upon the conditions hereinafter contained ;

Now, these presents, and I, the said Notary, witness that the said James
Gibb Ross, trading as aforesaid, hath agreed to advance unto the said Horace
Janson Beemer, for the purpose of enabling him to finish and complete the
said ten miles of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, the said sum of
twenty-two thousand six hundred and seventy-one dollars by the said Ross &
Co's promissory notes, payable on the first day of January, next (1885), it being
understood that the said Horace Janson Beemer shall repay and refund the
amount so to be advanced in cash on or before the maturity of the said notes
with a commission of five per cent, on the said amount.

And in the event of the said Horace Janson Beemer failing to pay and
refund the amount of the said advances as hereinabove stipulated, the said
Ross & Co. shall have the right of selling and disposing of the said Quebec
Corporation Bonds (the same being granted in payment of the said sabsidy)
for the best price that can or shall be obtained for the same, for and on ac-
count of the said Horace Janson Beemer, and should there be any surplus the
same shall be handed over to the said Horace Janson Beemer, and if there be
any deficiency the same to be paid by him.

And it is agreed and covenanted by and between the said parties that
the said Horace Janson Beemer shall finish and complete the said ten miles
of railway in such a manner as to be accepted by the engineers of the Federal
and Provincial Governments and by the engineer of the city of Quebec. And
it is also expressly agreed and understood that all the advances made under
this agreement are to be applied only to the work upon the said ten miles of
railway and for no other purposes whatever.

566

Edg^r versus Caron.

And it is further expressly agreed that in the event of the said Horace
Janson Beemer failing or neglecting to perform the work required to com-
plete and finish the said fen miles of railway, or if the same be not accepted
by the inspecting engineers of the said railway, the said Ross & Co. shall
have the right and privilege of entering into possession of the said section or
ten miles, and shall cause the same to be completed at the cost and expense
of the said Horace Janson Beemer, and in order that the said Ross & Co. may
be entitled to draw the subsidy aforesaid.

This clone and passed at Quebec as aforesaid on the day and year first
above written under the number five thousand seven hundred and thirty-seven.

In witness whereof, the said parties have signed with me the said notary,
these presents being first duly read according to law.

H. J. BEEMER,

JAS. G. ROSS,

W. DARLING CAMPBELL.

Extract from the minutes of a meeting of the directors of the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company, held at the company's office at 10.30 a.m.
on Saturday, 4th October, 1884.

Fresent: T. LeDROIT, President,

S. PETERS, Vice-President,

HOK D. A. ROSS,

FRANK ROSS,

HOIST. F. LANGELIER, Mayor of Quebec.

Proposed by Simon Peters, Esq., seconded by Hon. D. A. Ross,
That the subscription of the city of Quebec of $2,500 per mile, for 10
miles of this railway, from Station 2186 at Lake Simon to Station 2714, near
the Riviere a Pierre, is hereby transferred to Messrs. Ross & Co., of Quebec,
as security for advances of rails, and cash to be made to complete the said ten
miles, with authority to them to receive payment of the same from the
corporation of the said city ; and that a copy of this resolution be transmitted
to His Worship the Mayor of Quebec. — Carried.
A true extract from the minutes.

J. G. SCOTT, Secretary.

This is the extract from the minutes of a meeting of the directors of the
Quebec and Lake St John Railway Company, which is referred to in the
agreement to which the present is annexed, dated at Quebec, this eighth day
of October, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-four.

H. J. BEEMER,

JAS. G. ROSS,

W. DARLING CAMPBELL, K P.

Exhibit " HJB " 16, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUST. HAMEL,

Clerk, P. C.

On this Day, the fifteenth of April, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and eighty-five, before me, Jacques Auger, the undersigned
notary public foi the province of Quebec, in Canada, residing in the city of
Quebec*

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Personally came and appeared Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, railway contractor, of the first part ;

Which said parties have declared, covenanted and agreed as follows : —

Whereas, on or about the nineteenth day of February, last, in considera-
tion of certain advances made and agreed to be made by the said Ross & Co.
to the said Horace Janson Beemer, in connection with the Quebec and Lake
St. John Railway, he, the said Horace Janson Beemer, under a deed of assign-
ment before the undersigned, bearing date the nineteenth day of said month
of February, did transfer, assign and set over unto the said Ross & Co. the
sum of twenty-five thousand dollars, to be drawn out of the province of
Quebec subsidy, payable on the completion of the Riviere a. Pierre ten miles
section of the said Quebec and Lake St. John Railway. And whereas, in con-
sideration of further advances made and to be made by the said Ross & Co., to
the said Horace Janson Beemer, to the extent of the sum of one hundred and
seventy-five thousand dollars, payable in the manner hereinafter mentioned,
to enable the said Horace Janson Beemer to construct and complete twenty
miles ot the said road from station 2714 near Riviere a Pierre to station 3770
near the River Mequiq, the said Horace Janson Beemer has agreed to transfer
unto the said Ross & Co., as security, the railway subsidies hereinafter men-
tioned ; Now, these presents, and I, the said notary, witness, that in considera-
tion of the said Horace Janson Beemer granting the securities hereinafter
contained, the said James Gibb Ross, trading as aforesaid, hath agreed to
advance unto him, for the purpose of enabling him to finish and complete the
said twenty miles of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, the said sum of
one hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars in promissory notes or cash at
the option of the said Ross & Co., as follows: — Twenty-five thousand dollars
during the present month of April ; Thirty-five thousand dollars in the month of
May, next ; Thirty thousand dollars in June, next ; Thirty thousand
dollars in July, next ; a like sum in August, next ; and twenty-five
thousand dollars in September, next. It being understood that the
said advances shall not be made until the said Ross & Co. are satisfied
through the report of the chief engineer of the said railway by monthly esti-
mates that the work has been done in such a manner as to entitle the said
contractor to receive the subsidies hereinafter mentioned.

And it is agreed and covenanted by and between the said parties that the
said Horace Janson Beemer shall finish and complete the said twenty miles of
railway in such a manner as to be accepted by the inspecting engineers of the
same.

And the said Horace Janson Beemer doth agree to allow and grant to
the said Ross & Co. a commission of five per cent, on the amount of the said
advances and interest at the rate of seven per cent, per annum, and to' repay
and refund unto the said Ross & Co. the advances made under the present
agreement on or before the first day of November, next, together with the
interest and commission aforesaid.

And, as security for the re-payment of the said advances interest and
commission aforesaid, the said Horace Janson Beemer did and doth hereby
transfer, assign and set over unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as afore-
said, accepting hereof by his said attorney, the said Horace Janson Jeemer's

568

Edcrar versus Caron.

'©

right to draw the following subsidies which are payable on the completion of
the said twenty miles of railway, namely : — The province of Quebec subsidy
on the said twenty miles of railway at five thousand dollars per mile, making
the sum of one hundred thousand dollars, whereof twenty-five thousand dollars
has been previously transferred as aforesaid ; and further, the said province of
Quebec subsidy (special advance) at two thousand five hundred dollars per
mile on the said section of twenty miles, forming the sum of fifty thousand
dollars, and the subsidy payable by the Dominion of Canada upon twenty
miles of the said railway at the rate of three thousand two hundred dollars
per mile, amounting to the sum of sixty-four thousand dollars, the aggregate
amount of the subsidies hereby transferred being one hundred and eighty-nine
thousand dollars.

To have and to hold the same unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as
aforesaid, as his own goods and chattels, with power and authority to receive
and recover the same from the Provincial and Federal Governments respec-
tively.

And it is agreed that the resolutions of the Board of Directors of the
Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company transferring the above mentioned
subsidies to the said Ross & Co. shall be furnished by the said Horace Janson
Beemer.

This done and passed at the city of Quebec in the office of the under-
signed notary under the number four thousand seven hundred.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed these presents with me,
the said notary, the same being first duly read according to law.

H. J. BEEMER,
JAMES GEGGIE,
JAC. AUGER, KP.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

Three words erased are null and void and one marginal note is approved.

JAC. AUGER, N. P.

Exhibit "HJB" 17 for the Crown, filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE IIAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

On this day, the nineteenth of February, in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-five,

Before me, Jacques Auger, the undersigned Notary Public for the pro-
vince of Quebec, in Canada, residing in the city of Quebec,

Personally came and appeared, Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of
Montreal, railway contractor, of the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec, mer-
chant, trading under the name and style of Ross & Co., herein represented and
accepting hereof by his duly constituted attorney, James Geggie, of the same
place, of the second part ; which said Horace Janson Beemer, for good and
valuable consideration and in consideration of certain advances made and to

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

be made to him by the said Ross & Co., in connection with the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway, did and doth hereby transfer, assign and set over unto
the said James Gibb Ross, trading as aforesaid, accepting hereof by his said
Attorney, the sum of twenty-five thousand dollars, to be drawn out of the
province of Quebec subsidy, payable on the completion of the River a Pierre
ten miles section of the said Quebec and Lake St. John Railway.

To have and to hold the same unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as
aforesaid, as his own goods and chattels, with power and authority to receive
and recover the said sum of twenty-five thousand dollars from the Provincial
Government of Quebec, and to give receipts for the same, for which purpose
they, the said Ross & Co., are hereby named and appointed the attorneys of
the said Horace Janson Beemer.

This done and passed at Quebec, as aforesaid, on the day and year first
above written, under the number four thousand six hundred and sixty-four.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with me, the said notary,,
these presents being first duly read according to law.

H. G. BEEMER,
JAMES GEGGIE,
JAC. AUGER, N. P.

A true copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

Jac. Auger, Notary Public.

Exhibit "HJB" 18, for the Crown; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.

On this Day, the eighteenth of March, in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and eighty-five,

Before me, Jacques Auger, the undersigned Notary Public for the pro-
vince of Quebec, in Canada, residing in the city of Quebec, personally came
and appeared Horace Janson Beemer, of the city of Montreal, railway
contractor, of the first part ;

And the Honourable James Gibb Ross, of the said city of Quebec,,
merchant, trading under the name and style of Ross & Co., herein represented
and accepting hereof by his duly constituted attorney, James Geggie, of the
same place, esquire, of the second part ;

Which said Horace Janson Beemer, for good and valuable consideration
and in consideration of certain advances made and to be made to him by the
said Ross & Co. in connection with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway,
did and doth hereby transfer, assign and set over unto the said James Gibb
Roes, trading as aforsaid, accepting hereof by his said attorney the sum of
thirty-four thousand dollars, to be drawn out of the first monies of the
remaining twenty-five per cent, retained by the Corporation of the city of
Quebec, by and in virtue of a certain contract for the supply of water to the city
of Quebec, entered into between the said Horace Janson Beemer and His Wor-

570

Ed oar versus Caron.

ship Francois Langelier in hie quality of Mayor of the city of Quebec, acting
therein for and in the name of the said Corporation of the city of Quebec, said
contract being executed before Mtre. Ad. G. Tourangeau, Notary Public, on the
tenth day of July, in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three.

To have and hold the same unto the said James Gibb Ross, trading as
aforesaid, as his own goods and chattels, with power and authority to receive
and recover the said sum of thirty-four thousand dollars from the said
Corporation of the city of Quebec, and to give receipts for the same, for which
purpose they, the said Ross & Co., are hereby named and appointed the
attorneys of the said Horace Janson Beemer.

This done and passed at Quebec as aforesaid on this day and year firsl
above written under the number four thousand six hundred and seventy-
eight.

In witness whereof the said parties have signed with me the said notary,
these presents being first duly read according to law.

H. J. BEEMER,
JAMES GEGGIE,
JAC. AUGER, N. P.

True copy of the original remaining of record in my office.

Jac. Auger, N. P.

Exhibit "HJB" 19, for the Crown; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, P. C.

No. 1631. 11th Nov. No. 167.

$3,000. Quebec, July 8th, 1891.

Four months after date, pay to the order of ourselves three thousand
dollars, value received, and charge the same to account of The Chinic Hard-
ware Co. (Limited).

William Shaw, Edmond Dupre,

Manager. Secretary.

Marked on face : Accepted 12th August, 1891. Payable at my office,
Quebec. Exd. H. J. Beemer, per Harry G. Beemer, his attorney. Cancelled
in error. H. J. Beemer, per Ernest Wurtele. The property of the Union
Bank of Canada.

Marked on back : The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited). William Shaw,
Manager. Edmond Dupre, Secretary. Presentation and protest warned.
For the Chinic Hardware Company (Limited).
Edmond Dupre.

571

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " H JB " 20, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

C. H. C. No. 1835. Due March 14th.

|2,000. Quebec, November 11th, 1891.

Four months after date, for value received, I promise to pa}7 to the order
of The Chinic Hardware Company (Limited) at their office, two thousand
dollars.

H. J. Beemer.

Marked on face : — The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited). The property of
the Union Bank of Canada. Exd.

Marked on back: — The Chinic Hardware Co. William Shaw, Manager
and Director. Edmond Dupre, Secretary and Director. Protest warned. The
Chinic Hardware Co. William Shaw, Manager and Director.

Exhibit "HJB" 21, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

$1,000. C. H. C. No. 1834. Due Feb. 14th.

C. B. 44. Quebec, 11th Nov., 1891.

Three months after date, for value received, I promise to pay to the
order of The Chinic Hardware Company (Limited), at their office, one
thousand dollars.

H. J. BEEMER.

The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited).

Marked on face : The property of the Union Bank of Canada. Feb. 14th.
Paid April 12th, 1892 ; Union Bank of Canada. Exd. 320.

Marked on back : The Chinic Hardware Co., William Shaw, Manager
and Director; Edward Dupre, Secretary and Director. 57 days at 7%, $10.95.

572

Edgar versus Caron.
Exhibit UHJB" 22, for the Crown, filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL.

Clerk, R. C.

$1,000. C. H. C. No. 1944. Due 17th April.

C. B. 54. Quebec, 14th March, 1892.

One month after date, for value received, I promise to pay to the order of
The Chinic Hardware Company (Limited), at their office, one thousand
dollars.

H. J. BEEMER,

per Harry G. Beemer, his Attorney.
The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited).

Marked on face : The property of the Union Bank of Canada. Paid
April 20th, 1892 ; Union Bank of Canada. R. Exd.

Marked on back : The Chirac Hardware Co., William Shaw, Manager
and Director; Edmond Dupre, Secretary aud Director. Protest warned,
William Shaw, Secretary.

Exhibit " HJB " 23, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

C. H. C. No. 2088. 556. Due, 19th July, 1892.

Quebec, 17th May, 1892.

Sixty days after date, for value received, I promise to pay to the order of
the Chinic Hardware Company (Limited), at their office, one thousand dollars.

H. J. BEEMER,

per Harry G. Beemer,
his Atty.

The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited.)

Marked on the face : 100. The property of the Union Bank of Canada.
Union Bank of Canada ; paid, 19th July, 1892. Exd.

Marked on the back : The Chinic Hardware Co. (Limited.) William
Shaw, manager and director. Edmond Dupre, secretary and director.

573

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Exhibit " WRD " 2, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

H. J. Beemer.

('.■••(lit
Entries.

Monthly
Balances.

1SS7
Nov. 2

1 )isn mnt

$13,334 mo

23,037 50
39,278 90

21,701 70

981 78

2, GOO 00

1,00000"

36,079 45

15 ..

IS ...

I discount

21 ... .

C ....

28....

30....

Dec. 10....

Balance at Credit

•si 3, 795 62

29....

Discount . . . .,

31 ... .

Balance at Credit

9,514 (is

1888
Jan. 4. . . .
18...

Discount

13,336 90

29,827 43
1,000 00
4,633 61

300 00 '
19,647 22

618 50

23,050 76

7,418 83

21,701 70

20....

23....

C '

30....
Feb. 4....

Balance at Credit

7,350 99

19 ...

23....

23...

Discount

28....

Discount

Balance at Credit

14.990 74

Mar. 21....

22,100 00
600 00

31 ...

Balance at Credit

5,929 95

April 13....
19....
20....

Discount f

Rebate

22,500 00

91,250 00

721 76

7,128 15
23,393 75

1,313 45
25,869 81

" 21, 808 40 "
43,500 90
400 00

283 68

920 25

10,000 00

13,355 70

60,714 82

21 ... .
24....
25...
30 ...
30....
Mav 14

Balance at Credit

Discount

6,441 05
15,331 87

20...

30 ... .

31....

June 22....

23. ...

25....
27....
30...

c :

Balance at Credit

Discount

do . .

Balance at Credit

17,882 46

20,278 87

July 18....
19 ..

20. . ..

Discount

2,204 65

1,271 90

74,366 80

3,763 39

5,771 47

23,037 50
92,998 66
21,808 36
13,355 76

"23,037 5<>

56,350 71

73 48

29....

30...
Aug. 1 . . . .

20 ... .

25 ...

29....

31...
Sept. a

19....

Balance at Credit . .

Discount

do •

Balance at Credit

9,0o2 42
1,869 36

Discount

29....
30...

Balance at Credit

13,713 77

27— 37£

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56 Victoria.

Sessional Papers (No. 27.)
H. J. Beemer. — Continued.

A. 1893

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Entries.

Monthly
Balances.

Oct. 10 . . .

21,812 06
6,173 51

51,883 20
3,857 32
9,817 81

4,549 03

801/ 00

27,052 83

524 51

489 93

540 00

16,829 00

6,100 00

35,338 34

6,000 00

8,983 00

3,000 00
20,493 32

3,763 40
18,896 95

1,900 00

18....
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28 ...

18,895 72

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June 7 . . .
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20...

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25....
26....
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Balance at Credit

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30...
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Balance at Credit

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Exhibit " WED " 3, for the Crown ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

In re H. J. Beemer.

Balance at Credit 26 June, 1887.

do 18. July,

1887

Debit 18 Sept,

1887

Credit 19 Oct.,

1887

do 17 Jan.,

1888

do 14 May,

1888

do 20 do

1888

$2,680 01
2,019 33
3,272 09
3,833 69
3,335 24
5,280 43

27,627 47

I hereby certify that the above is correctly extracted from the books of
the Quebec Bank here, and shows a true statement of the balances (Debit or
Credit, as the case may be), of H. J. Beemer's Deposit Account with the
Quebec Bank upon the evening of the dates therein mentioned.

Quebec, 1st October, 1892.

For the Quebec Bank,

WM. K. DEAN,

Inspector.

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Edgar versus Caron.

the
Exhibit " JG" 1, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892. ^ .

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
No. 1370.

$5,000. Quebec, 4th February, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank,

Pay to H. J. Beemer or bearer, five thousand dollars.

ROSS & Co.

Exhibit " JG " 2, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R.C.
No. 1379.

$4,750. Quebec, 9th February, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank,

Pay to H. J. Beemer or bearer, four thousand seven hundred and fifty
dollars.

ROSS & Co.

Exhibit " JG" 3, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
No. 1380.

$5,250. Quebec, 9th February, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank,

Pay to H. J. Beemer or bearer, ^.ve thousand two hundred and fifty
dollars.

ROSS & Co.

Exhibit " JG" 4, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.
No. 1409.

$5,000. Quebec 18th February, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank,

Pay to H. J. Beemer or bearer, live thousand dollars.

ROSS & Co.

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Exhibit " JG " 5, for the Crown ; filed 1st October, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

No. i4ii.

$4,406.59. Quebec, 19th February, 1887.

To the Cashier of the Quebec Bank,

Pay to H. J. Beemer or bearer, four thousand four hundred and six -ffo
dollars.

Pro. ROSS & Co.,
James Geggie.

Exhibit " ARMc " 1, for the Crown ; filed 4th October, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

This Agreement, made this 21st day of September, 1886, between the
Temiscouata Railway Company, hereinafter called the company, of the one
part, and John J. McDonald, of the city of Ottawa, contractor, and Edward D.
Bos well, of the city of Toronto, accountant, carrying on business under the
name of McDonald & Bos well, and hereinafter called the contractors, of the
other part.

Whereas the company has been duly incorporated for the construction of
a railway between Riviere du Loup in the province of Quebec and Edmundston
in the province of New Brunswick, and is entitled to the two certain subsidies
for aid hereinbefore granted by the Government of Canada and also by the
provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick and is also entitled to a subsidy of
$25,000 granted by the municipality of Fraserville on the terms and conditions
set forth in the by-law duly passed by that municipality. The company may
hereafter receive further Government or municipal aid.

And whereas the company is desirous of having the line of railroad
authorized to be built by it commenced and completed without avoidable
delay on the line and course to be approved by the Governor in Council of the
Dominion of Canada and in accordance with the contract made and entered
into between the company and Her Majesty the Queen, represented by the
Minister of Railways and Canals, and also in accordance with the contracts and
agreements made or to be made with the Governments of Quebec and New
Brunswick and in a manner to be approved of by the several Governments of
Canada and the said provinces.

And whereas the contractors have agreed for the consideration hereinafter
set forth to undertake and complete the said work in the manner afore-
said.

Now this agreement vvitnesseth that the said contractors, for themselves,
their heirs, executors and administrators, hereby covenant, promise and agree
with the said company, their successors and assigns, that they, the said contrac-
tors, shall and will forthwith commence and carry on to completion without
avoidable delay the construction of the line of railway of the said company
from a point on the Intercolonial Railway at Riviere du Loup in the province
of Quebec to Edmundston in the province of New Brunswick, by the line of

582

Edgar versus Caron.

Lake Temiscouata and the River Madawaska, provided that course for the
construction of the railway be approved of by the Governor General in Council ;
such railway to be built and completed in all respects in accordance with the
contract and specification made and entered into between the company and
Her Majesty Queen Victoria, represented therein by the Minister of Rail-
ways and Canals and bearing date the twenty-first day of June, 1886.

And the contractors further covenant and agree that they will build and
construct the said railway in such a manner as shall be approved of by the
respective Governments of the provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick and
in accordance with the contracts and agreements with the said Governments
so as to entitle the company to receive the subsidy or Government aid granted
by the said Governments respectively.

And for the consideration aforesaid, and as payment for the work to be
►done by the said contractors, the said company hereby assign and transfer
unto the said contractors, their executors, administrators and assigns, all of
the said subsidy or aid at the rate of $6,000 per mile on the length of the said
road, not exceeding eighty-three miles, payable to the said company by the
Government of Canada, and also the subsidy from the Government of the
province of Quebec of $3,200 per mile on the length of the road within the
province of Quebec, and also the further subsidy and the right to receive from
the last mentioned Government the sum of $3,500 per mile on the said length
out of the proceeds of the land to the extent of 10,000 acres per mile, hereto-
fore granted in aid of the said road by the Government of the province of
Quebec, and all the right to the interest of the said company in the said lands,
and also the subsidy of $3,000 per mile heretofore granted by the Legislature
of the province of New Brunswick on the length of the road in the said
province, being a distance of about twelve miles, with the right to the said
contractors and their assigns, to receive and collect the said several subsidies
and said sums of money from the said several Governments when and as the
same become payable under the contracts or agreements between the said
company and the said several governments, and in proportion as the work of
constructing and completing the said line of railway progresses, and according
to the certificates to be from time to time given by the engineers of the said
several governments.

And the said company for the consideration aforesaid, hereby also assigns
and transfers to the said contractors, their executors, administrators and
assigns, the subsidy or bonus of $25,000 heretofore granted to the said com-
pany by the municipality of Fraserville, with the right to receive the same,
and the said company also hereby covenants and agrees to pay to the said
contractors the sum of $12,500 in payment and compensation for the expenses
heretofore incurred by the contractors at the request of the company, in
making a survey of the several proposed lines and routes for the said railway.

And the said company also covenants and agrees to make and deliver to
the said contractors for the consideration aforesaid and in addition to the sub-
sidies hereinbefore assigned, bonds to be lawfully made and issued by the
said company in pursuance of their power in that behalf, and to be a first
mortgage charge on the said railway and to be secured by a mortgage in favour
of trustees in pursuance of the provision in the letters patent incorporating the
company in that behalf to the amount of $5,000 for each mile of railway to
be built in pursuance of this agreement ; which said first mortgage bonds shall
be made, created and executed by the compan}7 as hereinbefore provided and
shall be deposited in the hands of two trustees, one of whom shall be named

583

5G Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

by the company and one by the contractors, upon trust, to hand over and deli-
ver the said bonds to the contractors from time to time as the work progresses
and in the same proportion as the subsidy of the Dominion Government is
payable on the certificate of its engineer.

And the said company do further covenant and agree with the said
contractors that they, the said company, will from time to time make and issue
to the said contractors as paid up stock in the said company for which the
said contractors shall subscribe or which, so far as the said stock has already
been subscribed for, the said company shall procure to be assigned to the said
contractors and their assigns shares or stock in the said company to the amount
of $491,000 and which shall be made, issued or transferred to the said con-
tractors as shares or capital stock paid up in full from time to time as the work
progresses and in the same proportion as the subsidy of the Dominion Govern-
ment is payable to the contractors as hereinbefore provided.

And the said company do hereby nominate and appoint irrevocably the
said contractors their true and lawful attorneys for the said company and in its
name to collect and receive from the several Governments of the Dominion of
Canada and of the provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick and from the
municipality of Fraserville and from any other municipality which may here-
after grant a subsidy or bonus in aid of the said company, all those the said
several bonuses, subsidies and railway aid hereinbefore assigned and granted
or to be granted to the said company and to which it is now or may hereafter
be entitled, with power to the said contractors and the survivors of them and -
the executors or administrators of such survivor to substitute another attorney
or attorneys in the place or stead of the said contractors to act as the attorney
for the said company, and from time to time to revoke such substitution and
to make another in place thereof, hereby ratifying and confirming all that the
said contractors or any attorney or attorneys substituted by them shall lawfully
do for the company in the premises and on payment of any of the moneys
under the power hereinbefore given, the said contractors and any attorneys to
be substituted by them are hereby authorized to grant releases and discharges
for and in the name of the company.

It is hereby agreed that the bonds of the company so to be made as
aforesaid shall be the only issue of first mortgage bonds to be made by the
company and bear interest at a rate not exceeding six per cent, per annum, and
shall be payable at such a period (not exceeding fifty years) as the contractors
may name, but not less than twenty-seven years from the date, but that no
interest thereon shall be payable by the company until they are issued and
delivered from time to time to the contractors by the trustees as the work
progresses.

In witness whereof the said company have hereunto affixed their corporate
seal, and the president and secretary thereof have put their signatures, and
the said contractors have put their hands and seals the day and year first
above written.

Signed, sealed and delivered in presence of

HECTOR CAMERON.
-John .1. McDonald, President.
E. Cream, Secretary.

McDonald & Boswell.

John J. McDonald.

E. D. Boswell..

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Edgar versus Caron.
Exhibit " APC " 1, for the Crown ; filed 27th October, 1892.

GUST AVE HAM EL,

Clerk, B. C.

Quebec, 4th February, 1887.

Received from Sir A. P. Caron, five thousand for legal expenses and
disbursements.

Thos. McGreevy.

Quebec, 9th February, 1887.

Received from Sir A. P. Caron ten thousand dollars for legal expenses
for district.

Thos. McGreevy.

Quebec, 18th February, 1887.

Received five thousand dollars from Sir A. P. Caron for disbursements
and legal expenses.

Thos. McGreevy.

Quebec, 20th February, 1887.

Received five thousand from Sir A. P. Caron for disbursements and
expenses.

Thos. McGreevy.

Subpoena ; filed 27th October, 1892.

GUS. HAMEL,

Clerk, E. C.
Canada, ^

Province of Quebec, V
District of Quebec, j

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, &c.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior Court
of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of
certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, member
of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of Her
Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, mentioned in the first
part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secretary of
State for the Dominion of Canada.

To the Honourable Thomas McGreevy, of the city of Quebec, actually at
the place called Fraserville, in the county of Temiscouata, province of
Quebec.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten in the forenoon, on the twenty-seventh day of September, to
give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day,

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until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you,
then and there, and produce all books, bank books, cheque books, cheque
stubs, receipts, letters, orders, papers and vouchers relating to the receipts and
to the payments of election expenditures while you acted as political treasurer
of the Conservative party in the district of Quebec.

'Given under our Seal, in the City of Quebec, this nineteenth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

Fraserville, 22nd September, 1892.
I, the undersigned Bailiff of the Superior Court for the district of Kam-
ouraska, residing at Fraserville, hereby certify under my oath of office that on
the 22nd September, inst., between 8 and 9 o'clock in the forenoon, I served
this original subpoena on the Hon. Thomas McGreevy, the witness elsewhere
named, leaving with him a copy hereof, duly certified, at his domicile at
Fraserville, speaking to a reasonable person of his household at his said
domicile, and to him exhibiting then and there this original. The distance
from the domicile of the said witness to the Court House at Quebec, is 118
miles, and from my residence to the place of service is 3 miles.

A. T. CHAMBERLAKD,
B. S. a

Canada.

Province of Quebec,

District of Quebec.

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned
in the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To J. J. McDonald, of the town of Fraserville, district of Kamouraska,
railway contractor.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us in our
Court-house in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the fourth day of October, next, to give
evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day, until
legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then and
there, and produce all agreements, correspondence and papers of any kind
relating to the purchase by him of his interest in the Temiscouata Railway,
and all vouchers, notes or cheques connected with, and books containing entries

586

Edgar versus ( 'iiron.

relating to the payment by him of the consideration therefor, and all vouchers?
notes or cheques connected with, or books containing entries relating to the
payment of moneys to aid in the election of Sir Adolphe Caron or other
members or supporters of the Government of which he was a member since
the said J. J. MacDonald acquired an interest in said railway and became
beneficially interested in the Dominion subsidies to said railway.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirtieth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TA1T,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the district of
Kamouraska, residing at Fraserville, hereby certify under my oath of office,
that on the 1st October, instant, between noon and one o'clock in the after-
noon, I served this original subpoena upon John J. McDonald, the witness
elsewhere named, leaving with him a duly attested copy hereof at his
domicile at Fraserville, speaking to a reasonable person of his family, and
exhibiting unto him then and there this original.

Fraserville, 1st October, 1892. A. T. CHAMBERLAND,

b. s. a

Canada, ^

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, nominating and constituting us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Com missioners to take evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To John J. McDonald, of River du Loup, railway contractor, presently
in the city of Montreal.

We command you, under penalties of law, to appear before us in our Court-
house at Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission, at half-past ten of
the forenoon, on the eleventh day of October, instant, to give evidence in this
affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day, until legally liberated.
And we further command you to bring with you, then and there, and produce
all agreements, correspondence and papers of any kind relating to the purchase
by him of his interest in the Temiscouata Railway, and all vouchers, notes or
cheques connected with and books containing entries relating to the payment
by him of the consideration therefor, and all vouchers, notes and cheques

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connected with or books containing entries relating to the payment of moneys
to aid in the election of Sir Adolphe P. Caron or other members or supporters
of the Government of which he was a member since you acquired an interest
in said railway and became beneficially interested in the Dominion subsidies
to said railway.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this fourth day of October,
eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, residing in the city of Montreal, one of the sworn
bailiffs of Her Majesty's Superior Court for Lower Canada, appointed and
acting in and for the district of Montreal, do hereby certify and return under
my oath of office, that on the fifth day of October, one thousand eight hundred
and ninety-two, between the hours of three and four o'clock in the afternoon,
I did serve the within subpoena on John J. McDonald, the within named
witness, by leaving a true certified copy thereof by speaking to and leaving
the same with himself in person in the city of Montreal.

The distance from the Court-house, in the city of Montreal, and from my
domicile to aforesaid place of service is over one mile, and that I did neces-
sarily travel to effect said service the distance of over one mile.

JOS. SIPLING,
Montreal, 5th October, 1892. B. S. C.

Fees $1.00.

Subpoena ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, RC
Canada, ^

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of -the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basil e
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned
in the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

T<> J. Israel Tarte, of the city and district of Montreal, editor.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in
our Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Com-
mission, at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the twenty-sixth day of September,

588

Ed<rar versus Caron.

instant, to give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day
by day, until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with
you, then and there, and produce all agreements, correspondence, vouchers or
documents of any kind relating to the sale to J. J. McDonald of an interest
in the Temiscouata Railway, or to the payment of the consideration therefor,
or to contributions by any one beneficially interested in the subsidies to said
railway for election purposes, to aid in the election to the House of Commons
of Sir Adolphe Caron, or other members or supporters of the Government of
which he was a member.

Given under our seal, in the city of Quebec, this nineteenth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, residing in the city of Montreal, one of the sworn
Bailiffs of Her Majesty's Superior Court for Lower Canada, appointed and
acting in and for the district of Montreal, do hereby certify and return under
my oath of office, that on the twenty-second day of September, one thousand
eight hundred and ninety-two, between the hours of eleven and twelve of the
clock, in the forenoon, I did offer to Israel Tarte, the sum of thirteen dollars,
currency of Canada, as conduct money to the city of Quebec, to give evidence
before the Royal Commission in the case of Sir A. P. Caron, which he accepted.

The distance from the Court-house, in the city of Montreal, and from my
domicile to the aforesaid place of service is over one mile, and that I did
necessarily travel to effect said service the distance of over one mile.

Montreal, 22nd September, 1892.

JOS. SIPLING,

Fees, $1. B.S.C.

I, the undersigned, one of the sworn Bailiffs of Her Majesty's Superior
Court, appointed and acting in and for the district of Montreal, residing in
the city of Montreal, hereby certify and return under my oath of office, that
I did, on the nineteenth day of September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two,
between the hours of six and seven of the clock, in the afternoon, serve the
within original subpoena on the within named witness, J. Israel Tarte, by
speaking to and leaving a true and certified copy thereof with a grown and
reasonable' person of his family, at his domicile, in the said city of Montreal.
The distance from the Court-house, in the city of , to said place of

service is one hundred and eighty miles, and from my residence to place of
service is two miles.

Montreal, 19th September, 1892.

FRANCIS B. GODIN,

Fees, $1. B.S.C.

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Subpoena ; filed 30th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
Canada. ^

Province of Quebec, V
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, &c.

Greeting :

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, nominating and constituting us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity
of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, mem-
ber of the House of Commons and Government of Canada and one of Her
Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in the
first part of our said commission, and report to the Honourable the Secretary
of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To Ernest Wurtele, of the city of Quebec, district of Quebec.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the thirtieth day of September, instant, to
give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day,
until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you,
then and there, and produce all contracts, agreements, books, papers or corres-
pondence relating to the construction of the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway or the financing therefor, and all cheques, notes, cheque stubs,
vouchers, bank pass books, books of account or any other papers, letters or
documents relating to or containing entries relating to the payments of
money to Sir Adolphe Caron, or relating to contributions for election purposes
to aid in the election to the House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron or
other members or supporters of the Government of which he was a member.

Given under our Seal in the city of Quebec, this twenty-ninth day of
September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

Quebec, 29th September, 1892.

I, Adrisse Dion, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the province of
Quebec, appointed in and for the district of Quebec, and residing in the city
of Quebec, St. Valier street, N'o. 267, hereby certify under my oath of office that
on the 29th day of September, instant, between four and five in the afternoon,
I personally served this subpoena on Ernest Wurtele, of the city and district
of Quebec, speaking to him at his office in the city of Quebec, delivering unto
him true certified copies hereof and exhibiting, then and there, unto him this
original. v

ADRISSE DION,
B. S. C.

590

Edjrar versus Caron.

Canada. ^)

Province oF Quebec, V
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting :

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, nominating and constituting us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission^ and report to the Honourable the Secre-
tary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To P. B. Dumoulin, of the city of Quebec, manager of La Banque du
Peuple at Quebec.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the thirtieth day of September, instant, to
give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day, until
legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then and
there, and produce all the books showing discounts and deposits as well as
general accounts of Sir Adolphe Caron, and of the Hon. Thos. McGreevy, during
the period from 1882 to 1891, when subsidies were granted for the construction
of the Lake St. John Railway and the Temiscouata Railway.

Given under our seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirtieth day of Septem-
ber, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER.
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, Adrisse Dion, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the province of
Quebec, appointed in and for the district of Quebec, and residing in the city
of Quebec, St. Valier street, No. 267, hereby certify under my oath of office,
that on the 29th September, instant, between 4 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon,
I personally served this present subpoena on Ernest Wurtele, of the city and
district of Quebec, speaking to him at his office in the city of Quebec, deli-
vering to him true certified copies hereof and exhibiting unto him, then and
there, this present original.

Quebec, 29th September, 1892.

ADRISSE DION,

J5. s. a

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Canada, ^

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Ro}Tal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Domi-
nion of Canada, nominating and constituting us, the Honourable Adolphe
Basile Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Supe-
rior Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth
or falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P.
Caron, member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and
one of Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as men-
tioned in the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable
the Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To E. D. Boswell, secretary of the Temiscouata Railway, of the town of
Fraserville, district of Kamouraska.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirtieth day of Septem-
ber, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

Quebec, 1st October, 1892.

I, Adrisse Dion, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court of the province of
Quebec, appointed in and for the district of Quebec, residing in the city of
Quebec, St. Valier street, No- 267, hereby certify under my oath of office,
that on the 1st October, instant, between 10 and 11 in the forenoon, I
personally served this subpoena on M. P. B. Dumoulin, of the city of Quebec,
manager of La Banque du Peuple, Quebec, speaking personally to him at La
Banque du Peuple, in the city of Quebec, delivering unto him true certified
copies hereof, and to him exhibiting this original.

ADRISSE DION",

B. S. C.

Canada, ^>

Province of Quebec, V

District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile

592

Edgar versus Caron.

Routiner, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges ofthe Superior

Court of this province, Commissioners to lake evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and. Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secre-
tary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To E. D. Boswell, secretary ofthe Temiscouata Railway Company, ofthe
district of Kamouraska, of the town of Fraserville, actually in the city of
Toronto, province of Ontario.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this fourth day of October,
eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,
{True copy.) Commissioners,

A true copy ofthe within subpoena was served by me, the undersigned,
on E. D. Boswell, within named, at the Queen's Hotel, in the city of Toronto,
in the province of Ontario, this sixth (6th) day of October, 1892, and at the
time and place aforesaid I paid the said E D. Boswell the sum of $40.00
(forty dollars) conduct money and expenses.

E. SCOTT GRIFFIN,

32 Church Street, Toronto.
Canada. "}

Province of Ontario. V To Wit :
County of York. J

I, Edward Scott Griffin, ofthe city of Toronto, in the county of York and
province of Ontario, solicitor, being duly sworn, make oath and say as follows :

1. That I did on Thursday, the 6th day of October, 1892, personally serve
E D. Boswell, in the subpoena hereunto annexed named, with a true copy of
the said subpoena hereunto annexed by delivering such copy to and leaving
the same with the said E. D. Boswell at the Queen's Hotel in the city of
Toronto in the said county of York.

2. That at the time of making the said service, I showTed the said E. D.
Boswell the said original subpoena hereunto annexed and paid him the sum of
forty dollars ($40.00) as and for his conduct money, witness fees and expenses,
said sum being sufficient, as I am informed and believe, for that purpose.

3. That I did afterwards on the said day make the endorsement which
appears on the said annexed subpoena.

E. H. GRIFFIN.
Sworn before me at the city of Toronto, in ^
the county of York, and province afore- >
said, this 5th day of October, 1892. J

CHARLES SWABEY.

A Notary Public in and for theprov. of Ontario.

593

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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Subpoena ; filed 23rd September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.
Canada, ^|

Province of Quebec, V
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secre-
tary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To Horace J. Beemer, of the city and district of Montreal, contractor.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the twenty-third day of September, to give
evidence in this affair, and. you shall have to be present, day by day, until
legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then and
there, and produce all contracts, agreements, books, papers or correspondence
relating to the construction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway, or the
financing therefor, and all cheques, notes,* cheque stubs, vouchers, bank pass
books, books of account, or any other papers, letters or documents relating to
or containing entries relating to the payments of money to Sir Adolphe Caron,
or relating to contributions for election purposes to aid in the election to the
House of Commons of Sir Adolphe Caron or other members or supporters of
the Government of which he was a member.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this nineteenth day of
September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, residing in the city of Montreal, one of the sworn
Baillifs of Her Majesty's Superior Court for Lower Canada, appointed and act-
ing in and for the district of Montreal, do hereby certify and return under my
oath of office that on the 21st day of September, one thousand eight hundred
and ninety-two, between the hours of five and six of the clock in the afternoon,
I did tender the within named witness, H. J. Beemer; the sum of thirteen
dollars as conduct money on the within subpoena, which he accepted, the said
tender being made personally to the said witness.

The distance from the Court-house, in the city of Montreal, and from my
domicile to aforesaid place of service is one mile, and that I did necessarily
I ravel to effect said service the distance of one mile.

Montreal, 2lst September, 1892. WM. SIPLING,

Fee $1. B.S.C.

594

Edgar versus Caron.

I, the undersigned, one of the sworn Bailiffs of Her Majesty's Superior
Court, appointed and acting in and for the district of Montreal, residing in
the city of Montreal, hereby certify and return under my oath of office that I
did on the 19th day of September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two, between
the hours of six and seven of the clock, in the afternoon, serve the within
original subpoena on the within named witness, H. J. Beemer, by speaking to
and leaving a true and certified copy thereof with a grown and reasonable person
of his family at his domicile in the said city of Montreal. The distance from
the Court-house in the city of Montreal to said place of service is one
hundred and eighty miles, and from my residence to place of service is two miles.

Montreal, 19th September, 1892.

FRANCIS B. GODIN,
Fee$l. B.S.C.

Subpoena ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canada. ]

Province of Ontario, > To wit :
County of Carleton. J

In the matter of the Royal Commission appointed to take evidence
respecting certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P.
Caron.

I, James Hughes, of the city of Ottawa, in the county of Carleton, and
province of Ontario, Sergeant of Police, make oath and say :

1. That I did on Thursday, the fifteenth of September, A. D. 1892,
personally serve Louis Kossuth Jones, the person therein named, with a true
copy of the subpoena hereunto annexed by delivering the same to and leaving
the same with the said Louis Kossuth Jones on the day last aforesaid at the
said city of Ottawa.

2. At the time of such service as aforesaid, I did pay to the said Louis
Kossuth Jones the sum of twelve dollars as and for conduct money.

3. Subsequently, I did make upon such original subpoena so served an
endorsement of the date of such service and payment.

JAMES HUGHES.

Sworn before me at the city of Ottawa, ^
in the county of Carleton, this six- V
teenth day of September, A.D. 1892. J

W. E. HODGINS,

A Commr. &c, Notary Public, &c.

Served personally L. K. Jones with true copy of the within subpoena,
on Thursday, the 15th day of September, 1892, and at the same time gave
him the sum of twelve dollars for conduct money.

JAMES HUGHES.
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56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Canada, ^

Province of Quebec V

District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith.

Greeting : —

B37 virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior Court
of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, member of the
House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of Her Majesty's
Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in the first part
of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secretary of State
for the Dominion of Canada.

To Louis Kossuth Jones, of the city of Ottawa, in the county of Carleton
and province of Ontario, secretary to the chief engineer of Government Rail-
ways.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, at the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten in the forenoon, on the twentieth day of September, instant, to
give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day, until
legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then
and there, and produce all papers and documents in charge of the Department
of Railways and Canals relating to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway
and the Temiscouata Railway, together with the descriptive index to such
papers.

Given under our seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirteenth day of
September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

Subpoena ; filed 21st September, 1892.

G. HAMEL,

Clerk, H. C.

Served personally M. G. Dickieson with a true copy of the within sub-
poena, on Thursday, 15th September, 1892, and gave him at the time of such
service the sum of twenty-five dollars as conduct money.

JAMES HUGHES.
596

Edgar versus Caron.

Canada, ^

Province oi Quebec* >

District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Basile Routhier,
and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior Court of this
province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of certain
charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, member of the
House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of Her Majesty's
Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in the first part
of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secretary .of State
for the Dominion of Canada.

To Matthew G. Dickieson, of the city of Ottawa, in the county of Car-
leton, province of Ontario, chief accountant of the Finance Department.

"We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, at the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the twentieth day of September, inst., to
give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day,
until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you,
then and there, and produce all certificates from the Auditor General, powers
of attorney, cheques and vouchers relating to the payment ot the subsidies
granted to the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway and the Temiscouata
Railway.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirteenth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

Canada, ^

. Province of Ontario, > To Wit :
County of Carleton. J

In the matter of the Royal Commission appointed to take evidence res-
pecting certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron.

I, James Hughes, of the city of Ottawa, in this county of Carleton and
province of Ontario, sergeant of police, make oath and say :

1. That I did, Thursday, the fifteenth day of September, A.D. 1892, per-
sonally serve Matthew G. Dickieson, the person therein named, with a true
copy of the subpoena hereunto annexed, by delivering the same to and leaving
the same with the said Matthew G. Dickieson, on the day last aforesaid at the
said city of Ottawa.

2. At the time of such service as aforesaid, I did pay to the said Mat-
thew G. Dickieson the sum of twenty-five dollars as and for his conduct-
money.

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3. Subsequently, I did make upon such original subpoena an endorsement
of the date of such service and payment.

JAMES HUGHES.

Sworn before me at the city of Ottawa, "}
in the county of Carleton, this sixteenth >
day of September, A.D. 1892. J

W. E. HODGUSTS,

A Commr., <&<?., Notary Public, &c

Subpoena; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canada. ^

Province of Quebec. V

District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, &c.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Ba'sile
Ronthier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior Court
of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity of
certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron, member
of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of Her
Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in the
first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the Secretary
of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To J. G. Scott, Esq., of the city of Quebec, secretary of the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Company.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-pa3t ten of the forenoon, on the twenty-first day of September, instant,
to give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day,
until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then
and there, and produce all books showing dates of the receipt and payment or
disposal of Dominion subsidies.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this nineteenth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the province of
Quebec, appointed for the district of Quebec, residing in the city of Quebec,
No. 16, St. Gabriel street, hereby certify under my oath of office, that on the
19th September, 1892, between six and seven in the afternoon, I did personally

598

Edgar versus Caron.

serve this subpoena on J. G. Scott, Esq., of the city of Quebec, secretary of the
Quebec and Lake St. Jolm Railway Company, at his domicile in Quebec, the

witness therein named, speaking to a reasonable person of his family, deliver-
ing unto him a true certified copy thereof and there and then exhibiting unto
him the original.

Quebec, 19th September, 1892. OLIVIER BROUSSEAU,

B.S.C.

Subpujna; filed 20th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, R. C.

Canada, "|

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or falsity
of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To J. G. Scott, Esq., of the city of Quebec, secretary of the Quebec and
Lake St. John Railway Construction Company*

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the twenty-first day of September, instant,
to give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day,
until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then
and there, and produce all contracts, sub-contracts, and agreements in connec-
tion with the construction of, or financing for, the Quebec and Lake St. John
Railway ; and also the minute books and books of account of the company
and any books showing the receipt or transfer of any Dominion subsidies.

Given under our ^eal, in the city of Quebec, this nineteenth, day of
September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, Oliver Brousseau, sworn Bailiff' of the Superior Court
for the province of Quebec, St. Gabriel Street, No. 16, hereby certify under my
oath of office that on the 19th day of September, 1892, between six and seven
in the afternoon,II did personally serve this subpoena on J. G. Scott, Esq., of

599

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

the city of Quebec, secretary of the Quebec and Lake St. John Kailway Con-
struction Company, at his domicile at Quebec, the witness therein named,
speaking to a reasonable person of his family, delivering unto him a true cer-
tified copy thereof and exhibiting, then and there, unto him this original.

OLIVIER BROUSSEAU,

b.s.c.

Quebec, 19th September, 1892.

Subpoena ; filed 29th September, 1892.

GUSTAVE HAMEL,

Clerk, B.C.

Canada, "}

Province of Quebec, V

District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth
or falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe
P. Caron, member of the House of Commons and Government of
Canada and one of her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of
Canada, as mentioned in the first part of our said Commission, and report to
the Honourable the Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To J. Stevenson, the Manager of the Quebec Bank, Quebec.

"We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Com-
mission, at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the twenty-ninth day of September,
instant, to give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day
by day, until legally liberated. And we further command you to bring With
you, then and there, and produce all books showing the discount and deposit
and general accounts of Sir Adolphe Caron and Thomas McGreevy, during
the period from 1882 to 1891, while subsidies were being granted for the con-
struction of the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway and the Temiscouata
Railway.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this twenty-sixth day of Sep-
tember, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

600

' Edgar versus Caron.

Canada, ^

Province of Quebec, V
District of Quebec. J

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the truth or fal-
sity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, as mentioned
in the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To Frank Ross, James Geggie and Antoine Bonhomme, all of the city
of Quebec, the former, merchants, and James Geggie and Antoine Bonhomme,
accountants.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city oi Quebec, at the place of sittings of said Commission,
at half-past ten o'clock of the forenoon, on the twenty-third day of September,
instant, to give evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day
by day, until legally liberated.

And we further command you to bring with you, then and there, and
produce all agreements, vouchers, papers, correspondence or books connected
with the Quebec and Lake St. John Railway Company, or the construction
thereof, or the financing therefor, and also all notes or vouchers, books
containing entries relating to payments to or for Sir Adolphe Caron while
the late J. G. Ross was connected with the construction of or financing for
the said railway, or beneficially interested in the Dominion subsidies thereto.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this twenty-second day of
September, eighteen hundred and ninety-two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, Adrisse Dion, sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the province of
Quebec, appointed in and for the district of Quebec, and residing in the city of I
Quebec, St. Yalier street, No. 267, hereby certify under my oath of office, thatf
on the 22nd September, instant, between five and seven in the afternoon, I
personally served this subpoena on Frank Ross, Esq., speaking to a reasonable
person of his family at his domicile, St. Foy Road, and on James Geggie Ross,|
speaking to himself at the office of Mr. Ross, in lower town, Quebec, deliver-
ing unto them, there, true certified copies hereof, and there and then exhibit^
ing unto them this original.

I certify, moreover, that the distances from the domiciles of the sai<
witnesses to the Court-house at Quebec is seven miles, and from my domiciL
to the place of service is at least seven miles.
Quebec, 22nd September, 1892.

ADRISSE DION,
B.S.

601
27—39

56 Victoria. Sessional Papers (No. 27.) A. 1893

Canada. ")

Province of Quebec, >
District of Quebec, j

Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Greeting : —

By virtue of the Royal Commission, under the Great Seal of the Dominion
of Canada, constituting and nominating us, the Honourable Adolphe Basile
Routhier, and the Honourable Melbourne M. Tait, Judges of the Superior
Court of this province, Commissioners to take evidence as to the 'truth or
falsity of certain charges made against the Honourable Sir Adolphe P. Caron,
member of the House of Commons and Government of Canada, and one of
Her Majesty's Privy Councillors for the Dominion of Canada, mentioned in
the first part of our said Commission, and report to the Honourable the
Secretary of State for the Dominion of Canada.

To Dr. Grandbois, member of Parliament for the county of Temiscouata,
and A. P. Macdonald, Superintendent on the Intercolonial Railway, both of
the town of Fraserville, district of Kamouraska.

We command you, under penalties of the law, to appear before us, in our
Court-house, in the city of Quebec, at the place of sitting of said Commission,
at half-past ten of the forenoon, on the fourth day of October, next, to give
evidence in this affair, and you shall have to be present, day by day, until
legally liberated. And we further command you to bring with you, then and
there, and produce all agreements, correspondence, papers, vouchers or docu-
ments of any kind relating to the sale to J. J. McDonald of an interest in the
Temiscouata Railway, or to the payment of the consideration therefor, or to
contributions by any person beneficially interested in the subsidies to said rail-
way, for election purposes, to aid in the election to the House of Commons of
Sir Adolphe Caron o*r other members or supporters of the Government of
which he was a member.

Given under our Seal, in the city of Quebec, this thirtieth day of Septem-
ber, eighteen hundred and ninety- two.

A. B. ROUTHIER,
M. M. TAIT,

Commissioners.

I, the undersigned, a sworn Bailiff of the Superior Court for the district of
Kamouraska, residing at Fraserville, hereby certify under my oath of office,
that on the 1st October, instant, between two and three in the afternoon, I
served this original subpoena on A. R. McDonald and P. E. Grandbois, the
witnesses elsewhere named, leaving with each of them a duly certified copy
thereof, at their respective domiciles at Fraserville, speaking to A. R.
McDonald himself, and as to P. E. Grandbois, to a reasonable person of his
family at his said domicile, exhibiting to them, there and then, this original.

I certify, moreover, that, in serving this subpoena on the said witnesses, I
tendered to each of them a sum of ten dollars to defray their travelling ex-
penses, which they did accept.

Fraserville, 1st October, 1892.

A. T. CHAMBERLAND,

B.S.C.

602

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