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SPECIAL  SENATE  INVESTIGATION  ON  CHARGES 
AND  COUNTERCHARGES  INVOLVING:  SECRE- 
TARY OF  THE  ARMY  ROBERT  T.  STEVENS,  JOHN 
G.   ADAMS,  H.   STRUVE  HENSEL  AND    SENATOR 

JOE  McCarthy,  roy  m.  cohn,  and 

FRANCIS  p.  CARR 


I 


HEARING 

BEFDRE  THE 

SPECIAL  SUBCOMMITTEE  ON 
INVESTKiATIOJS'S  OF  THE  COMMITIEE  ON 

GOVERNMENT  OPERATIONS 

UNITED  STATES  SENATE 

EIUHTY-THIKD  CONGKESS 

SECOND  SESSION 
PUKSUANT  TO 

S.  Res.  189 


PART  19 


MAY  5.  1954 


Printed  for  the  use  of  the  Committee  on  Government  Operations 


UNITED  STATES 
GOVEUNMKXT  I'KINTIXG  OFFICE 
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COMMITTEE  ON  GOVERNMENT  OPERATIONS 

JOSEPH  K.  McCAUTIIY,  Wisconsin,  Chairman 
KAKI.  E.  MUNDT,  South  Dakota  JOHN  L.  McCLELLAN,  Arkansas 

MAK(;AKET  chase  smith.  Maine  HUBEKT  H.  HUMPHKEY.  AJiiuKsoia 

HENRY  C.  DWOKSHAK.  Idalio  HENKY  M.  JACKSON,  Washington 

EVEKETT  Ml  KINI.EY  DIKKSEN,  Illinois        JOHN  K.  KENNEDY.  M.\ssacliusct  is 
JOHN  MAi{SHAI.L  BUTLER.  MarjTanti  STUART  SYMINGTON,  Missouri 

CHAKLES  E.  POTTER,  Michigan  ALTON  A.  LENNON,  North  Carolina 

KiCHARD  J.  O'Melia,  General  Cuunnel 
Walteu  L.  Reynolus,  C/Mf/  Clerk 


Special  Subcommittee  on  Investigations 

KARL  E.  MUNDT,  South  Dakota,  Chairman 
EVERETT  MCKINLEY  DIRKSEN,  Illinois      JOHN  L.  MfCLELLAN,  Arkansas 
CHARLES  E.  POTTER,  Miohijian  HENRY  M.  JACKSON,  Washington 

HENRY  C.  DWORSHAK,  Idaho  STUART  SYMINGTON,  Mi.ssouri 

Ray  H.  Jenkins,  Chief  Coi(u»ei 

THOilAS  R.  PltEWiTT,  Assistant  Counsel 

Robert  A.  Collier,  Assistant  (■ounscl 

SOLis  HoiuviTZ,  Assistant  Counsel 

Charles  A.  Maneu,  Secretary 

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CONTENTS 


Page 
Index I 

Testimony  of — 

Collier,  Ivobert  A.,  assistant  counsel,  Special  Subcommittee  on  Investi- 
gations        720 

Stevens,  Hon.  Robert  T.,  Secretary,  Departm-^nt  of  the  Army 720 

III 


SPECIAL  SENATE  INVESTIGATION  ON  CHARGES  AND 
COUNTERCHARGES  INVOLVING:  SECRETARY  OF  THE 
ARMY  ROBERT  T.  STEVENS,  JOHN  G.  ADAMS,  H.  STRUVE 
HENSEL  AND  SENATOR  JOE  MCCARTHY,  ROY  M.  COHN, 
AND  FRANCIS  P.  CARR 


WEDNESDAY,  MAY  5,   1954 

United  States  Senate, 
Special  Subcommittee  on  Investigations  of  the 

Committee  on  Government  Operations, 

Washington^  D.  C. 

Tlie  subcommittee  met  at  10 :  45  a.  m.,  pursuant  to  recess,  in  the 
caucus  room  of  the  Senate  Office  Building,  Senator  Karl  E.  Mundt, 
chairman,  presiding. 

Present :  Senator  Karl  E.  Mundt,  Republican,  South  Dakota ;  Sena- 
tor Everett  McKinley  Dirksen,  Republican,  Illinois;  Senator  Charles 
E.  Potter,  Republican,  Michigan;  Senator  Henry  C.  Dworshak,  Re- 
publican, Idaho;  Senator  John  L.  McClellan,  Democrat,  Arkansas; 
Senator  Henry  M.  Jackson,  Democrat,  AVashington;  and  Senator 
Stuart  Symington,  Democrat,  Missouri. 

Also  present:  Ray  H.  Jenkins,  chief  counsel  to  the  subcommittee; 
Thomas  R.  Prewitt,  assistant  counsel ;  and  Ruth  Y.  Watt,  chief  clerk. 

Principal  participants:  Senator  Joseph  R.  McCarthy,  a  United 
States  Senator  from  the  State  of  Wisconsin;  Roy  M.  Cohn,  chief 
counsel  to  the  subcommittee;  Francis  P.  Carr,  executive  director  of 
the  subcommittee ;  Hon.  Robert  T.  Stevens,  Secretary  of  the  Army ; 
John  G.  Adams,  counselor  to  the  Army;  H.  Struve  Hensel,  Assistant 
Secretary  of  Defense ;  Joseph  N.  Welch,  special  counsel  for  the  Army ; 
James  D.  St.  Clair,  special  counsel  for  the  Army ;  and  Frederick  P. 
Bryan,  counsel  to  H.  Struve  Hensel,  Assistant  Secretary  of  Defense. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  committee  will  please  come  to  order.  The 
Chair  would  like  to  begin  the  hearing  this  morning  with  the  not  alto- 
gether novel  or  startling  announcement  that  the  guests  are  here  at 
the  pleasure  of  our  committee.  We  are  happy  to  have  you  in  the  com- 
mittee room.  We  have  a  standing  rule  of  the  committee  that  there 
shall  be  no  manifestations  of  approval  or  disapproval  at  any  time, 
and  the  officers  have  a  prevailing  order  from  the  committee  to  politely 
escort  from  the  room  those  who  decide  for  themselves  to  violate  that 
committee  injunction.  May  the  Chair  say  he  was  very  happy— and 
I  believe  his  memory  is  correct — that  there  have  been  no  interruptions 
from  the  audience  of  any  kind  this  week.  Nobody  has  violated  the 
rules  and  made  manifestations  of  approval  or  disapproval. 

We  are  ready  to  begin  the  proceedings. 

Itlr.  Welch.  Mr.  Chairman. 

715 


716  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  Mundt.  Have  you  a  point  of  order,  Mr.  Welch? 

Mr.  Welch.  I  have  a  statement  bearing-  on  my  relations  with  Mr. 
Jenkins  that  I  would  like  to  make.  I  have  informed  Mr.  Jenkins  of 
my  desire  to  make  it. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Jenkins  has  advised  the  Chair  that  you  have 
so  informed  him  that  it  deals  with  the  general  discussion  we  had 
yesterday  morning.  I  think  it  perfectly  appropriate  that  you  should 
have  the  opportunity  to  make  the  statement. 

Mr.  Welch.  It  is  quite  short.  Yesterday  in  a  open  hearing  I  stated 
that  by  unanimous  vote  of  the  subcommittee  at  its  executive  session 
the  previous  evening  a  resolution  was  passed  directing  its  special 
counsel,  Mr.  Jenkins,  to  confer  with  me  and  others  in  an  effort  to  reach 
a  formula  to  expedite  or  shorten  these  hearings.  I  stated  that  pur- 
suant to  that  resolution  Mr.  Jenkins  conferred  with  me.  I  further 
stated  that  I  would  not  be  satisfied  with  a  formula  whereby  Senator 
McCarthy  would  follow  Mr.  Stevens  and  be  subjected  to  an,  exam- 
ination and  cross-examination  and  that  the  hearing  would  then  be 
ended. 

I  stated  that  Mr.  Jenkins  concurred  with  me  in  my  opinion  that 
this  should  not  be  done.  Mr.  Jenkins  has  conferred  with  me  about 
what  was  said  and  it  is  now^  my  opinion  that  my  statement  of  yester- 
day morning  left  an  erroneous  impression,  all  of  which  was  inadver- 
tent on  my  part.  What  occurred  was  this :  Mr.  Jenkins  agreed  with 
me  that  the  termination  of  this  hearing  on  that  formula  would  not 
enable  any  of  the  parties  to  present  all  of  the  facts  pertaining  to  the 
issues.  He  did  not  express  his  opposition  to  such  a  formula,  as  he 
has  always  indicated  that  the  question  of  curtailing  or  terminating 
this  hearing  was  entirely  up  to  the  subcommittee. 

Senator  Mundt,  Does  that  conclude  your  statement,  Mr.  Welch  ? 

Senator  IVIcCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman  ? 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  McCarthy,  a  point  of  order. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Not  exactly  a  point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman. 
There  are  two  matters  I  would  like  to  bring  up.  No.  1,  the  question  of 
how  long  Mr.  Stevens  has  been  on  the  stand  has  been  raised  very  fre- 
quently. He  has  been  here  a  long  time  now.  At  the  rate  we  were 
going  yesterday,  it  will  take  many,  many  days  to  finish  the  cross-exam- 
ination of  ]\Ir.  Stevens.  I  have  had  one  of  my  staff  give  me  an 
estimate  of  the  time  we  spent  on  the  questions  and  the  time  on  the  an- 
swers and  the  interruptions. 

Yesterday  the  best  estimate  we  could  get  is  that  we  spent  between 
20  and  25  minutes  asking  questions  and  the  rest  of  the  time  was  used 
up  on  what  I  considered  very  length}^  answers — I  assume  the  Secre- 
tary thought  he  was  answering  correctly — and  with  interruptions. 
Keep  in  mind,  of  course,  that  Mr.  Stevens  is  the  accuser  and  I  have  no 
choice  but  to  ask  the  questions.  My  staff  has  been  accused  of  using  im- 
proper pressure. 

Nevertheless,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  it  is  not  exactly  proper  to  keep 
one  man  on  the  stand  as  long  as  Mr.  Stevens  has  been  kept  here.  I 
would  like  very  nuich,  therefore,  to  have  a  meeting  of  the  committee 
this  noon  to  see  if  we  cannot  work  out  some  system  whereby  w^e  can 
give  the  Secretary  a  long  weekend  off  so  he  can  come  back  next  Monday 
and  start  fresh.  I  just  do  not  like  to  keep  him  here  under  these  lights 
the  rest  of  this  week.    I  don't  wish  to  discuss  it  now,  Mr.  Chairman, 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  717 

but  T  would  like  to  have  a  meetiuo;  of  tbe  committee  tliis  noon,  if  wo 
could,  in  executive  session  so  we  could  discuss  what  I  have  in  mind. 

Senator  McClellan.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  move  that  we  proceed  with 
the  hearings. 

Senator" MuNDT.  The  Chair  would  like  to  inquire,  if  I  may,  of 
Senator  McCarthy  whether  this  recjuest  for  an  executive  session  deals 
with  trying  to  find  some  way,  if  he  understands  it,  either  of  ex])editing 
the  heaVings  or  whether  it  is  a  suggestion  that  we  find  a  way,  if  possi- 
ble, to  change  the  order  of  witnesses  so  Mr.  Stevens,  who  has  been 
under  the  lights  and  before  the  committee  for  a  long  time,  could  have  a 
refresher  period — I  understood  3'ou  to  say  perhaps  until  next  Monday. 

Senator  McCarthy.  May  I  say,  Mr.  (Chairman,  I  was  not  suggesting 
the  executive  session  for  the  purpose  of  ex]>editing.  As  I  said  before, 
I  would  not  talk  to  Mv.  "Welch  except  under  oath  after  the  breaking  of 
the  agreement  which  we  made  the  other  day.  I  merely  want  to  talk  to 
the  members  of  the  committee  about  some  way  of  giving  Mr.  Stevens 
fi  rest.  He  has  not  asked  for  one.  He  has  not  communicated  to  me 
that  he  wants  one.  I  have  had  no  indication  from  him  that  he  wants 
a  rest.  I  think  he  is  entitled  to  one,  and  I  would  like  to  discuss  with 
the  committee  a  change  in  the  ground  rules  without  establishing  a 
precedent  so  he  can  be  taken  off. 

Senator  Jackson.  We  are  not  going  to  change  the  rules,  are  we,  in 
the  middle  of  the  game  ? 

Senator  Mundt.  I  would  think  no,  but  if  we  could  find  a  way,  it 
seems  to  me,  to  call  some  other  witness  and  give  Mr.  Stevens  a  rest,  the 
Chair,  speaking  for  himself  alone,  feels  that  Mr.  Stevens  is  entitled  to 
a  rest.  He  has  been  here  a  long  time.  He  would  certainly  be  per- 
suaded tremendously  by  any  suggestion  which  would  not  destroy  the 
equity  of  the  hearings  or  change  the  rules,  but  which  would  give  Mr. 
Stevens  a  rest. 

Do  you  wish  to  have  a  committee  meeting  for  that  purpose? 

Senator  Jackson.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  suggest  that  if  we  proceed  to 
put  the  monitored  telephone  calls  into  the  record,  that  will  take  some 
time,  and  it  would  give  JNIr.  Stevens  an  opportunity  to  defer  his  testi- 
mony until  all  those  telephone  conversations  are  placed  in  the  record, 
which  was  acted  upon  by  the  committee  so  long  ago  I  cannot  remem- 
ber— over  a  week,  I  guess. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  in  that  connection  I  would  like 
to  ask  a  question,  if  I  may.  There  will  be  a  question  of  which  moni- 
tored calls  are  competent  as  to  testimony,  whether  they  are  accurate, 
whether  we  have  all  of  the  monitored  calls.  I  understand — if  1  am 
wrong,  Mr.  Jackson,  I  wish  you  would  correct  me — I  understand  that 
someone  in  the  Army  has  supplied  you  with  copies  of  all  monitored 
calls.  I  have  never  seen  a  single  one  yet.  "Was  I  misinformed,  Senator 
Jackson? 

Senator  Jackson.  I  have  not  received  copies. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Have  you  seen  copies  of  them  ? 

Senator  Jackson.  I  have  not  seen  copies  of  the  monitored  calls.  I 
have  heard  about  them. 

Senator  jSIcCarthy.  In  other  words,  you  have  seen  them  ? 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  will  call  an  executive  committee  meet- 
ing at  2  o'clock  in  my  office,  and  I  hope  from  it  will  come  some  formula 
by  which  we  can  relieve  Mr.  Stevens  for  the  rest  of  the  afternoon,  .uid 
we  hope  he  can  eet  a  rest,  which  he  deserves. 


718  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  have  another  point,  definitely  a  point  of 
order. 

Senator  Mundt.  I  want  to  be  sure  the  committee  members  under- 
stand we  will  have  an  executive  committee  meeting  in  my  office  at  2 
o'clock.  You  may  be  there,  Senator  JNIcCarthy,  and  if  you  are  there  I 
think  it  is  only  fair  for  Mr.  Welch  to  be  there.  We  will  be  glad  to  have 
you  come. 

Mr.  Welch.  The  Senator  has  said  such  ungrateful  things  about  me, 
sir,  I  think  I  should  not  care  to  attend. 

Senator  Mundt.  You  may  come,  if  you  care  to  come.  Have  you  a 
point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman,  a  point  of  order.  I  under- 
stand the  committee  met  and  decided,  and  I  think  rightly  so,  to  put 
in  monitored  phone  calls  if  it  is  proven  that  you  have  all  the  calls  and 
that  they  are  complete.  I  understand  that  at  least  some  members  of 
the  committee  on  both  sides  of  the  aisle  have  either  received  copies 
of  the  calls  or  have  been  fully  informed  as  to  the  contents  of  the  calls. 
I  have  not  seen  any  of  the  calls.  I  do  not  think  in  view  of  the  fact 
that  Mr.  Welch  has  seen  all  the  calls,  some  of  the  committee  members 
have,  I  believe  it  is  only  fair  that  I  have  access  to  those  monitored 
calls  also,  so  that  I  can  check  with  my  staff  and  determine  whether  or 
not  they  think  that  all  of  the  calls  have  been  included,  whether  some 
Isave  been  held  out.  I  think  this  is  doubly  important,  Mr.  Chairman, 
in  view  of  the  evidence  we  had  yesterday  in  regard  to  file  stripping.  I 
want  to  be  sure  there  is  no  monitored  stripping. 

Senator  Mundt,  The  Chair  holds  that  is  a  proper  request  that  you 
may  place  before  the  executive  meeting  at  2  o'clock. 

Senator  McCarthy,  I  would  like  permission  of  the  Chair  to  read 
into  the  record  a  wire  which  I  sent  to  Mr.  Stevens  this  morning. 

Senator  Symington,  I  second  the  motion  of  Senator  McClellan,  It 
is  now  after  10  minutes  to  11.     I  move  the  committee  go  to  work. 

Senator  Mundt,  The  Chair  feels  the  wire  should  not  be  read,  be- 
cause the  Senator  is  not  testifying  at  this  time.  He  may  release  any 
telegram  he  cares  to  the  press,  if  he  cares  to,  but  he  does  not  believe 
it  should  be  incorporated  into  the  record. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Then  I  would  like  to  pass  this  wire  to  the 
Chair  Avith  the  request  that  he  subpena  the  material  mentioned 
within  this  wire.  It  has  to  do  with  the  letter  from  J.  Edgar  Hoover, 
having  to  do  with  security  risks  at  Fort  Monmouth.  May  I  pass  that 
to  the  Chair? 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Dirksen? 

Senator  Dirksen.  Mr.  Chairman,  as  everyone  knows.  Government 
is  a  continuous  process.  I  get  a  little  distressed  over  the  fact  when 
high  administrative  officials  are  immobilized  day  after  day  if  it  isn't 
necessary. 

We  haven't  called  on  Mr.  Hensel.  It  is  undetermined  as  to  when 
we  shall  get  there.  There  are  so  many  tensions  on  the  international 
horizon  and,  as  everyone  knows,  he  is  Secretary  for  the  International 
Security  Affairs.  Certainly  it  isn't  necessary  to  have  both  him  and 
his  counsel  here.  I  wonder  if  the  committee  couldn't  agree  to  let 
Mr.  Hensel  go  back  to  work  until  such  time  as  we  have  to  have  him. 

Senator  Mundt.  Is  there  any  objection  from  any  member  of  the 
committee  to  dismissing  Mr.  Hensel  until  he  is  called  by  the  com- 
mittee ? 


SPECIAL   INVESTIGATION  719 

Senator  McCleixax.  Mr.  Cliainnan,  I  don't  know  whctlier  Mr. 
Hensel  has  requested  that  he  be  released  from  attendance.  If  he 
has,  then  I  am  willinoj  to  ^rant  it.  If  Mr.  Hensel  feels  that  his 
presence  here  is  needed  in  his  own  interest  and  in  defense  of  the 
charoes  aoainst  him,  I  don't  think  this  committee  has  any  ri<>ht  to 
order  him  to  stay  away  until  he  is  called. 

Senator  Mundt.  Does  the  Chair  understand  any  implication  on  the 
part  of  the  Senator  from  Illinois  that  we  were  orderin<r  Mr.  Hensel 
to  leave  the  room?  I  didn't  get  that.  I  thou^dit  it  was  that  we  were 
not  ordering  him  to  be  here. 

Senator  Dirksf.x.  That  is  right. 

Mv.  Bryax.  Mr.  Chairman,  it  is  certainly  true  that  as  Assistant 
Secretary  of  Defense  for  International  Security  Aftairs,  Mr.  Hensel 
has  numerous  matters  of  prime  importance  to  the  Nation  piling  up 
on  his  desk. 

I  would  say  this:  That  if  we  can  have  an  understanding  that  Mr. 
Hensel's  nanie  will  not  be  brought  into  the  hearings  in  his  absence, 
he  will  be  prepared  to  return  at  any  point  and  on  any  day  or  at  any 
time  wlien  the  suggestion  is  made  that  his  name  may  come  into  these 
jn'oceedings,  and  we  shall  come  back. 

If  that  is  satisfactory  to  the  Chair,  satisfactory  to  everybody  here, 
Mr.  Hensel,  I  am  sure,  would  appreciate  the  opportunity  to  attend 
to  his  important  official  duties. 

Senator  Muxdt.  Mr.  Bryan,  may  I  have  your  attention?  ISIay  the 
Chair  ])ut  it  this  way:  It  is  obviously  ]3retty  difficult  to  be  sure  that 
Mr.  Hensel's  name  might  not  be  mentioned.  But  we  should  be  able 
to  aaree  that  none  of  the  issues  involving  him  would  be  discussed. 
If  the  Chair  can  get  unanimous  consent  now  from  all  members  of 
the  committee  and  staff,  and  counsel  for  all  parties  involved,  that  he 
may  raise  a  point  of  order  and  sustain  it  against  any  discussion  of  the 
issues  involving  Mv.  Hensel  in  his  absence,  if  I  can  get  that  assurance 
now,  then  I  would  think  Mr.  Hensel  might  safely  absent  himself  from 
the  hearing. 

Does  the  Chair  hear  any  objection  to  that  ? 
Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman. 
Senator  INIuxdt.  Senator  McCarthy? 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  don't  quite  understand  tlie  Cliair's  sugges- 
tion. Do  you  mean  in  cross-examining  witnesses  we  cannot  mention 
Mv.  Hensel's  name  ?  I  may  say  in  that  connection  I  intend  to  examine 
the  Secretary  this  morning  on  a  question  which  he  was  clearly  being 
generous  in,  I  will  say,  in  error  yesterday.  He  testified  yesterday  ISIr. 
Hensel  was  not  present  when  he  returned  from  a  meeting  with  the 
Chair,  myself,  Senator  Dirksen,  Senator  Potter.  The  night  that  some- 
one thought  np  the  smear,  apparently,  on  Mr.  Cohn  and  Mr.  Carr,  I 
find  out  Mr.  Hensel  was  present  and  that  Mr.  Stevens  apparently  had 
a  considerable  conference  with  him.  So  I  will  bring  up  that  question. 
Senator  Muxdt.  I  would  assume  for  such  questions  Mr.  Hensel 
ought  to  be  present.    I  don't  know. 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  want  to  make  it  clear  that  I  will  not  refrain 
from  asking  witnesses  pertinent  questions  about  Mr.  Hensel.  When 
Mr.  Adams  is  on  the  stand,  I  will  ask  him  about  Mr.  Hensel.  I  will 
say  this,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  certainly  will  be  glad  to  go  along  with  the 
Chair  insofar  as  not  raising  any  new  issue  as  far  as  Mr.  Hensel  is 
concerned,  but  I  can't  refrain  from  questioning  these  witnesses  as 

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720  SPECIAL    ESrVESTIGATION 

they  appear.  It  is  doubly  true,  Mr.  Chairman,  in  view  of  the  fact 
that  one  of  the  allegations  -which  we  have  is  that  Mr.  Hensel  master- 
minded the  smear.  I  don't  think  Bob  Stevens  did.  I  can't  help, 
therefore,  but  ask  questions  about  him.  May  I  say  also,  Mr.  Chair- 
man, for  the  benefit  of  ]\Ir.  Hensel  and  his  counsel  while  they  are  here, 
I  am  not  sure  this  has  been  set  forth  clearly  and  concisely  enough  so 
that  they  are  fully  warned.  I  do  think  the  allegations  in  our  specifica- 
tions are  broad  enough  to  cover  it,  and  I  want  to  notify  Mr.  Hensel 
that  Avhen  he  gets  on  the  stand,  and  when  other  witnesses  are  on  the 
stand,  I  will  discuss  in  some  detail,  from  the  stand])oint  of  motive  on 
his  part,  his  activities  in  Europe  after  he  was  notified  that  he  would 
be  given  the  job  he  has  now  got.     From  the  standpoint  of  motive. 

Senator  Mfndt.  The  Chair  believes,  Senator  Dirksen,  in  view  of  tlie 
type  of  questioning  that  the  Senator  said  he  is  going  to  be  engaged  in 
this  morning,  Mr.  Hensel  might  properly  want  to  be  here. 

Mr.  Bryan.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  we  will  at  least  remain  through 
this  morning. 

Senator  Mundt.  Very  well,  sir.     Counsel  Jenkins? 

IMr.  Jenkins.  Mr.  Cliairman,  yesterday  afternoon  the  committee 
instructed  me  to  confer  with  J.  Edgar  Hoover  with  respect  to  a  copy 
cf  a  letter  allegedly  in  the  files  of  the  Intelligence  Department  of  the 
Army,  and  to  clarify  that  issue  this  morning.  I  am  now  prepared  to 
do  so.     Prior  to  so  doing,  I  desire  to  ask  the  Secretary  one  question. 

TESTIMONY  OF  HON.  EOBEET  T.  STEVENS,  SECEETARY  OE  THE 

AEMY 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Mr,  Stevens,  since  yesterday  afternoon,  have  you  or 
not,  through  yourself  or  those  under  your  command  examined  the  files 
of  the  Intelligence  Department  at  the  Pentagon  with  special  reference 
to  the  original  of  the  letter  about  which  you  were  questioned  yesterday 
afternoon  ? 

Secretary  Stevens.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  State  whether  or  not  such  a  letter  was  found  in  that 
file  or  any  other  file. 

Secretary  Stevens.  No,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Now",  Mr.  Chairman,  I  desire  the  Secretary  to  stand 
aside  momentarily  and  let  me  clarify  that  issue.  I  desire  to  call  as 
the  next  witness  my  assistant  counsel,  one  of  my  assistant  counsel,  and  a 
member  of  my  staff,  Mr.  Robert  A.  Collier. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Collier,  will  you  take  the  witness  stand,  please. 

Mr.  Collier,  will  you  raise  your  right  hand.  Do  you  solemnly  swear 
the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth,  the  whole  truth, 
and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

JVIr.  Collier.  I  do. 

Senator  Mundt.  You  may  be  seated,  sir. 

TESTIMONY  OF  EOBEET  A.  COLLIEE 

]\f r.  Jenkins.  Will  you  please  state  your  full  name  ? 
]Mr.  Collier.  Robert  A.  Collier. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Mr.  Collier,  you  are  a  member  of  my  staff,  assistant 
counsel ;  is  that  correct? 
Mr.  Collier,  Yes,  sir. 


SPECIAL    INVKSTIGATION  721 

]\rr.  Jenkiks.  ]\rr.  Collior.  formerly  have  you  or  not  been  employed 
by  the  Federal  Bureau  of  Iiivesti<2;ation'^ 

\Mr.  CoLLiEK.  I  was,  sir.     1  was  employed  from  April  1,  1911,  until 
October  2G,  1951. 

Mr.  Jexkixs.  You  were  present  yesterday  afternoon  when  a  dis- 
cussion occurred  with  respect  to  a  letter.  Will  you  give  the  date  of 
the  letter,  Mr.  Collier?     It  has  escaped  me. 

Mr,  Collier.  January  26,  1951. 

]\fr.  Jexkins.  At  which  time  the  committee  instructed  me,  either 
myself  or  by  some  member  of  my  staff,  to  confer  personally  with  Mr. 
J.  Edgar  Hoover,  Director  of  the  Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation. 

JMr.  Collier.  I  was  present, 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Were  you  present? 

Mr,  Collier,  Yes,  sir, 

Mr.  Jenkins,  I  will  ask  you  whether  or  not  at  the  close  of  the 
meeting  I  assigned  that  task  to  you. 

Mr.  CoixiER.  You  did,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  State  whether  or  not  pursuant  to  that,  Mi'.  Collier, 
you  conferred  with  Mr.  Hoover  personally. 

Mr.  Collier.  I  did. 

]\rr.  Jenkins.  At  what  time,  approximately,  yesterday  afternoon 
or  evening? 

Mr.  Collier.  From  approximately  5  :  15  until  approximately  7: 15, 

Mr.  Jenkins.  During  the  course  of  your  conversation  with  Mr. 
Hoover,  I  will  ask  you  whether  or  not  he  called  upon  j'ou  to  procure 
ajid  show  to  him  tlie  copy  of  the  letter  about  which  we  are  talking, 

]VIr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir;  he  did. 

Mr,  Jenkins,  I  believe  dated  January 

]\fr.  Collier.  Twenty-sixth,  1951. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  January  26,  1951.  As  a  result  of  that  recpiest  of  Mr. 
Hoover,  did  or  not  you  go  to  Mr.  Cohn's  office  and  procure  that  copy  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  did. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  And  then  take  it  to  Mr.  Hoover? 

JVIr.  Collier.  I  did. 

JMr.  Jenkins.  Was  it  shown  to  him? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Mv.  Collier,  now  at  this  time,  without  my  taking  the 
time  and  still  in  the  interest  of  expediting  the  hearing,  I  ask  you  to 
chronologically  relate  the  incidents  of  that  conference  with  INIr, 
Hoover,  what  was  done  ]Hirsuant  to  the  request  of  the  connnittee,  and 
what  was  said  to  you  by  Mr.  Hoover. 

Mr.  Collier.  Upon  receiving  your  instructions,  I  con.imunicated 
with  the  FBI  and  Avithin  a  very  short  period  of  time  obtained  an 
ni)pointment  with  JMr.  Hoover.  I  went  to  see  him,  having  advised 
liim  of  the  date  and  the  type  of  letter  involved.  Mr.  Hoover  at  that 
time  informed  me  that  they  had  not  found  such  a  letter.  He  did  have 
another  letter  of  the  same  date. 

In  order  to  be  perfectly  sure  that  they  had  obtained  the  correct 
letter,  I  returned  to  the  Senate  Office  Building  and  obtained  from  Eoy 
Cohn,  in  Senator  McCarthy's  office,  the  letter  wdiich  I  now  have  in  my 
hand  and  which  was  the  one  produced  yesterday  by  Senator  JMc- 
( "arthy.  I  took  that  letter  to  JMr.  Hoover,  and  at  that  time  he  com- 
pared this  letter  with  the  letter  in  his  possession  of  the  same  date. 


722  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

I  can  now  report  to  you  that  Mr.  Hoover  advised  me  that  this  letter 
is  not  a  carbon 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Identify  the  letter  when  you  say  "this  letter." 

Mr.  Collier.  This  is  the  letter  produced  yesterday  by  Senator  Mc- 
Carthy. This  is  not  a  carbon  copy  or  a  copy  of  any  communication 
prepared  or  sent  by  the  FBI  to  General  Boiling  on  January  26,  1951, 
or  any  other  date.     The  FBI  has  in  its  files  a  letter 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Are  you  now  stating  what  Mr.  Hoover  personally 
told  you  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  You  may  proceed. 

Mr.  Collier.  The  FBI  does  have  in  its  files  a  file  copy  of  a  letter 
dated  January  2G,  1951,  the  same  date,  prepared  and  sent  by  the  FlU 
to  General  Boiling,  which  Avas  a  15-page  interdepartmental  memoran- 
dum. A  carbon  copy  of  that  Avent  to  Maj.  Gen.  Joseph  F.  Carroll, 
United  States  Air  Force. 

Mr.  Hoover,  in  comparing  the  two  documents,  advised  me  that  the 
form  of  the  carbon  copy  which  I  have,  the  one  introduced,  and  the 
yellow  copy  of  the  FBI  memorandum  prepared  on  January  26,  are 
materially  different  in  form. 

I  can  recount  for  you,  as  Mr.  Hoover  advised  me,  the  difference  in 
that  form. 

For  purpose  of  identification,  I  will  refer  to  the  document  intro- 
duced yesterday  as  the  carbon  copy  and  to  the  yellow  copy  in  the 
FBI  files,  the  15-page  memorandum,  as  the  FBI  original.  On  the 
FBI  original  the  words  "Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation"'  is  printed 
in  large  block  letters  across  the  top  of  the  page.  On  the  carbon  copy 
the  words  "Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation"  is  typed.  The  date, 
January  26,  1951,  appears  directly  beneath  the  type  "Federal  Bureau 
of  Investigation"  on  the  carbon  cop}^,  and  is  in  a  different  position 
on  the  page  of  the  FBI  original. 

The  carbon  co]xv  has  across  the  top  "Personal  and  Confidential  via 
liaison."  The  FBI  original  has  in  the  upper  righthand  corner  the 
words  "Confidential  via  liaison." 

The  memorandum,  the  FBI  original,  is  in  the  form  of  a  interde- 
partmental memorandum.  It  is  not  signed.  It  merely  carries  the 
name  of  the  Director  and  the  FBI.  The  carbon  copy  would  indicate 
a  signature  was  to  be  affixed. 

The  FBI  original  was  addressed  to  Maj.  Gen.  A.  E.  Boiling.  The 
carbon  copy  is  addressed  to  Major  General  Boiling,  the  initials  "xV.  R." 
being  left  out. 

The  same  words  "Assistant  Chief  of  Staff,  G-2,  Department  of  the 
Army,"  appear  on  both  documents.  In  the  FBI  original  the  addi- 
tional words  "The  Pentagon"  appear.  That  is  not  on  the  carbon 
copy,  and  the  words  "Washington,  D.  C."  appear  on  both  documents. 

The  FBI  original  has  the  word  "From"  and  then  the  words  "John 
Edgar  Hoover,  Director,  Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation."  That  is 
not  on  the  carbon  copy. 

The  FBI  original  has  the  word  "subject"  and  then  typed  thereon 
"Aaron,  A-a-r-o-n,  Hyman  H-y-m-a-n  Coleman,  C-o-l-e-m-a-n,  Es- 
pionage— K."    The  "R"  stands  for  Russian  and 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  am  not  sure  I  understood. 
You  say  that  is  the  FBI  copy  you  are  talking  about. 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION"  723 

ISIr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir.  In  otlipr  words,  tlio  siil)]cct  Aaron  Coleman, 
Espionaoe — K,  appears  on  the  FBI  oriji'nial.  It  does  not  appear  on 
the  carbon  copy. 

This  carbon  copy  carries  the  salutation  "sir."  The  FBI  original 
carries  no  salutation. 

This  carbon  cop}'  is  two  and  one-cpiarter  pages  in  length.  The 
FBI  original  is  15  pages  in  length. 

The  carbon  copy  at  the  end  carries  the  words  "sincerely  yours, 
J.  Edgar  Hoover,  Director."  That,  of  course,  did  not  a])])ear  at  the 
end  of  the  FBI  original,  but  actually  a[)peared  in  the  "To"  "From" 
relation  in  the  beginning. 

The  carbon  co])y  shows  no  carbon  copy  being  sent  to  anyone  else. 

Senator  j\1cCarthy.  Could  I  interru])t,  Mv.  Chairman? 

Senator  ]\[unut.  Have  you  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Yes.  I  think  it  would  be  proper  at  this  time, 
as  a  point  of  order,  that  we  rhow  that  I  had  vrired  Mr.  Stevens  and 
asked  him  to  produce  the  additional  pages  that  we  did  not  have.  I 
thought  it  was  eight  pages.  Now,  the  young  man  sa3'S  it  is  15  pages. 
I  believe  I  asked  for  eight  pages.  I  think  the  record  should  show 
that  I  had  wired  INIr.  Stevens  and  told  him  that  I  would  ask  to 
have  the  additional  Dages  subpenaed. 

Senator  IMrNor.  The  Chair  suggests  you  bring  that  out  in  your  10- 
minute  period  that  you  have  for  questioning. 

Senator  McCarihy.  Let  me  ask  the  Chair,  has  the  Cliair  acceded  to 
my  request,  the  request  made  to  Mr.  Stevens  also  by  wire,  that  the 
additional  pages  be  subpenaed,  the  pages  which  I  do  not  have?  I 
think  they  should  be  sub])enaed. 

Senator  ISIuxdt.  The  Chair  has  not  had  time  to  examine  the  tele- 
gr;\m  which  you  sent  to  the  desk. 

Mr.  Collier.  I  would  like  to  pass  to  the  Chair  the  diagram  which 
I  have  drawn  which  will  give  you  a  more  visual  reference  to  the  two 
letters  which  I  have  brought  out. 

Senator  Symixgton.  Mr.  Chairman,  may  I  make  a  point  of  order? 
When  the  witness  discusses  the  carbon  copy,  he  might  say  the  alleged 
carbon  copy. 

Senator  IMcCarthy.  A  point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  would 
like  to  know  who  alleged  it  to  be  a  carbon  copy.  We  have  never 
alleged  it  to  be  a  carbon  copy. 

]\ir.  Je>;kixs.  Mr.  Collier,  you  may  proceed. 

Senator  jMuxdt.  Proceed,  Mr.  Collier. 

INIr.  Collier.  The  FBI  original,  on  the  last  page  thereof,  shows  the 
following: 

CO,  Jliijor  General  Joseph  F.  Carroll,  Director,  Special  Investigations,  the 
Inspector  General,  U.  S.  A.  F. 

Now,  that  is  the  difference  in  form  alone.  I  am  distinguishing 
between  form  and  substance.  Mr.  Hoover  advised  me,  and  examined 
the  2  documents  in  my  presence,  advised  me  that  the  substance  of 
the  original  FBI  15-page  memorandum  and  the  substance  of  the  2^/4- 
page  carbon  copj^,  contain  information  relating  to  the  same  subject 
matter,  and  that  in  some  instances  exact  or  identical  language  appears 
in  both  documents. 

(^ther  than  that,  Mr.  Hoover  feels  that  to  further  clarify  it  v.ould 
reveal,  possibly  reveal,  the  substance  of  the  documents  themselves. 


724  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

On  that  point,  Mr.  Hoover  asked  me  to  inform  you  that  he  respectfully 
refers  the  committee  to  the  Attorney  General  for  his  opinion  as  to 
whether  or  not  the  contents  can  be  made  public  in  line  with  security 
requirements.  And  since  the  language  is,  in  some  instances,  identical, 
that  would  apparently  go  for  both  documents. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Mr.  Collier,  have  you  in  detail  related  all  of  the 
events  transpiring  in  your  conference  with  Mr.  Hoover? 
Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  I  have  no  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 
Senator  Mundt.  Just  one  question.     The  Chair  is  not  certain,  and 
I  am  not  sure  that  you  can  answer  this  question,  but  did  you  determine 
whether  the  FBI  original  was  in  the  files  of  the  military  and  available 
to  Secretary  Stevens? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  will  go  back  to  tlie  question  that  Kay  asked  me.     I 
did  not  complete  it.     On  that  point,  I  determined  that  the  yellow 
copy  in  the  FBI  file,  which  is  the  file  copy,  carries  the  following  hand- 
written notations  concerning  the  original : 
Delivered  to  Colonel  Cramer,  G-2,  1-27-51,  W.  R.  P. 

Those  initials  are  those  of  a  liaison  representative  of  the  FBI, 
Wesley  P.  Reynolds. 

The  carbon  copy  to  Major  General  Joseph  F.  Carl,  according  to  a 

handwritten   notation  on  the  yellow,  was  delivered  to  Gill  Levy, 

O.  S.  L,  1-29-51,  E.  S.  S.,  the  initials  standing  for  Ed  S.  Sanders. 

Senator  Mundt.  In  other  words,  those  originals  were  apparently 

delivered  in  1951? 

ISIr.  Collier.  They  were,  sir. 

Senator  Mundt.  And  were  delivered  to  G-2  at  that  time? 
Mr.  Collier.  The  memorandum  is  dated  January  26.     It  was  de- 
livered personally  by  Mr.  Wesley  P.  Reynolds  to  Colonel  Cramer  on 
1-27-51.     The  carbon  copy   was  delivered  personally  by  Mr.   Ed 
Sanders  to  O.  S.  L,  on  1-29-51. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  understands  that  the  white  papers  that 
you  hold  are  not  an  exact  duplicate  or  replica  of  the  yellow  sheets 
which  you  held. 

Mr.  Collier.  The  yellow  being  my  notes. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  yellow  being  from  the  files  of  the  FBI  and  the 
white  from  Senator  McCarthy  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  No,  sir.  The  yellow  sheets  are  merely  my  own  notes, 
my  handwritten  notes.  The  yellow  copy  of  the  15-page  document  I 
did  not  examine  because  it  contains  security  information.  I  did  not 
go  into  the  substance  of  the  document  itself.  I  did  not  feel  entitled 
to.  I  received  my  information  from  the  examination  made  by  Mr. 
Hoover.     That  yellow  copy  is  now  in  the  possession  of  the  FBI. 

Senator  Mundt.  Now  I  understand.  You  were  quoting  Mr.  Hoover, 
then,  when  you  said  that  in  some  instances  the  language  was  identical, 
that  the  subject  matter  was  identical,  and  that  as  Mr.  Hoover  inter- 
prets the  security  laws,  the  subject  matter,  both  of  the  FBI  copies  and 
of  the  copies  from  Senator  McCarthy's  files,  because  they  deal  with 
an  identical  subject,  should  not  be  revealed  in  public  short  of  a  ruling 
of  the  Attorney  General.     Is  that  correct  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  want  to  make  it  clear.  INIr.  Hoover  did  not,  of 
course,  refer  to  this  carbon  copy  when  he  stated  that,  because  actually 
this  is  not  a  carbon  copy  of  any  FBI  document.     He  was  referring  to 


SPECIAL    INVKSTIGATlOISr  725 

his  own  document,  the  15-pa^e  memorandum,  when  he  su<!;<2;ested  that 
"I  respectfully  refer  you  to  the  Attorney  (General  for  his  opinion," 

Senator  Mundt.  lou  were  speakintr  for  yourself,  then,  when  you 
said  that  because  J.  Edgar  Hoover  had  told  you  in  some  instances  the 
Linouajje  was  identical,  the  subject  matter  was  identical,  that  you  be- 
lieved that  without  authorization  from  the  Attorney  General  we 
should  not  discuss  the  subject  ? 

]\rr.  Collier.  That  is  correct.  Mr.  Hoover  made  no  comment  con- 
cerninir  this  carbon  copy. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  Mdnut.  Just  a  minute.  The  Chair  would  then  think, 
jMr.  C/Ounsel,  that  we  would  not  want  to  subpena  the  FBI  original, 
certainly,  without  getting  some  opinion  from  the  Attorney  General. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Counsel  entirely  agrees  with  the  chairman. 

Senator  ]\Iundt.  Have  you  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  point  out, 
I  think  this  should  be  ex])lored  with  INIr.  Hoover.  As  far  as  I  know, 
if  the  Chair  Mill  refer  to  page  2  of  the  hearings  where  this  letter 
lists  the  names  of  individuals  at  Fort  Monmouth,  I  understand  the 
FBI  report  gives  the  names  of  informants  and  information.  That 
security  information  was  omitted  from  this  copy,  call  it  what  you 
may,  which  I  have. 

I  would  like  to  know,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  the  witness  has  not 
covered  that,  apparently  he  can't  because  he  says  he  has  not  examined 
the  letter,  whether  or  not  all  portions  of  this  document,  which  was 

Senator  Mundt.  That  is  a  question  which  you  should  address  to  the 
witness,  not  to  the  Chair.  It  would  not  be  a  point  of  order,  I  don't 
think. 

Senator  McCarthy.  No,  Mr.  Chairman,  it  is  a  request  of  the  Chair, 
raid  this  is  a  very,  very  important  matter,  Mr.  Chairman.  It  is  a 
request  of  the  Chair  that  I  am  making. 

I  am  making  the  request  that  someone  from  the  FBI  be  called  to  tell 
ns  whether  or  not  all  of  the  language  in  the  document  submitted  yester- 
day is  not  identical  to  the  language  in  the  document  submitted  to  the 
military,  with  the  exception  of  where  we  list  the  name  of  an  individual 
and  put  the  word  after  it  "derogatory,"  in  some  cases  not  derogatory, 
that  tlie  FBI  report  actually  contains  all  the  information. 

I  should  think  we  should  ask  Mr.  Hoover  whether  or  not  he  would 
object  to  having  put  into  the  record — this  is  a  request  I  am  making 
of  the  Chair.    May  I  finish,  Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  Mundt.  Is  it  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  IMcCarthy.  I  am  making  a  request  of  the  Chair,  a  very  im- 
portant request.  The  request  is  this :  We  have  a  document  here  con- 
cerning Fort  Monmouth,  Communists  at  Fort  Monmouth,  and  a  warn- 
ing relating  to  them.  I  want  to  know,  Mr.  Chairman,  if  the  Chair  will 
not  now  call  someone  from  the  Bureau  who  can  bring  down  the  docu- 
ment they  have,  not  for  public  exhibition,  and  tell  us  whether  or  not  all 
the  language  is  not  identical,  except  that  in  this  document  the  indi- 
viduals are  merely  named  and  all  security  information  is  left  out  of 
this  document,  where  in  the  FBI  document  the  security  information 
is  included. 

Senator  Mdndt.  The  Chair  would  suggest  that  the  Senator  from 
Wisconsin  first  interrogate  the  witness,  when  lie  comes  to  his  time,  as 


726  SPECIAL   INVESTIGATION 

to  wlietlier  he  can  proTide  that  information.    It  is  possible  that  he  can, 
Senator  McCarthy. 

Senator  McCartht.  All  ri2;ht. 

Senator  MuNDT.  Senator  McClellan? 

Senator  McClfxlan.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  make  a  point  of  order  that 
the  document  that  is  presented  to  us  here,  ^Yhich  we  have  not  read,  if 
incomplete,  if  it  contains  only  3  pa^jes  out  of  a  15-page  document,  then 
the  best  eviclence  is  the  document  itself,  which  is  available  unless  it  is 
prohibited  for  security  reasons. 

If  it  is  prohibited  by  security  reasons,  then  these  excerpts  from  it  are 
not  admissible  at  this  hearing.  If  it  is  not  prohibited,  under  the 
security  order  and  directive  of  the  President,  then  the  original  docu- 
ment in  full  and  complete  is  the  best  evidence  and  should  be  produced. 

I  therefore,  Mr.  Chairman,  suggest  that  this  document  that  is  not 
identified  other  than  as  containing  some  of  the  names  and  some  state- 
ments in  the  original  document,  has  no  place  in  these  hearings  until  it 
is  established  that  the  original  document  is  not  available  or,  if,  for 
security  reasons  it  cannot  be  made  available,  then  no  part  of  it  can  be 
made  available  at  this  hearing. 

Senator  Mundt.  If  the  Chair  understands  the  suggestion  of  Senator 
McClellan,  it  is  this :  That  we  have  our  counsel  undertake  to  determine 
now  from  the  Attorney  General  whether  we  can  have  made  available 
the  15  sheets,  and  if  so,  we  can  then  make  our  own  comparison  as  to 
whether  or  not  the  material  is  left  out,  what  was  left  out,  and  what  is 
retained.  If  we  are  not  able  to  get  the  15  sheets,  and  since  they  deal 
with  identical  subjects,  then  none  of  the  material  should  be  admitted 
for  security  reasons,  is  that  right? 

Senator  McClellan.  That  is  correct. 

Senator  Muxdt.  Do  you  have  a  point  of  order,  Senator  McCarthy  ? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  while  I  agree  considerably  with 
what  the  Senator  from  Arkansas  said,  I  would  say  that  I  think  it 
should  be  made  clear  that  we  are  not  now  requesting  and  never  have 
requested  that  the  security  information  about  these  specific  individuals 
be  made  a  part  of  the  record.  That  is  in  line  with  the  ruling  of  coun- 
sel, My.  Jenkins.  I  do  think  that  the  language  of  the  letter,  if  this 
language  is  correct  and  verbatim — and  I  have  every  reason  to  believe 
it  is — that  the  language  of  the  letter  contains  nothing  of  a  security 
nature  except  that  it  warns,  admonishes  those  in  charge  of  Fort 
Monmouth. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  letter  is  not  admissible. 

S?nator  McCar-jht.  The  Chair  has  stated  that  unless  the  entire 
15  ])ages  could  be  made  a  part  of  the  record,  none  of  it  could.  I  want 
to  disagree  with  that,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  think  you  can  delete,  as  there 
apparently  was  deleted  in  this  letter,  the  security  reports  on  each 
specific  individual.  The  rest  of  the  letter,  I  think,  is  extremely  im- 
portant. 

Senator  Mundt.  Tlie  Chair  is  ready  to  rule.  Unless  his  ruling  is 
upset  by  his  colleagues  on  this  committee,  he  will  rule  that  the  counsel 
for  the  committee  should  seek  from  the  Attorney  General  the  permis- 
sion suggested  by  Senator  McClellan,  which  has  been  restated  by  him 
and  by  the  Chair. 

Senator  Jackson.  A  point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Jackson. 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  727 

Senator  Jackson.  Dops  not  the  committee  have  the  responsibility, 
in  view  of  the  fact  that  there  is  now  or  was  introduced  yesterday 
afternoon  a  letter  which  purports  to  have  come  from  Mr.  J.  Edgar 
Hoover  and  which  we  are  now  advised  did  not  come  from  him — does 
not  this  connnittee  have  the  responsibility  to  ask  the  Attorney  General 
or  somebody  where  that  letter  came  from  ?  Mr.  Hoover's  name  is  being 
used,  and  1  take  it  from  the  witness  that  he — that  is,  Mr.  Hoover — 
has  denied  the  existence  of  this  letter.     Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  CoLUEK.  This  letter  is  not  a  copy  of  any  document  prepared 
by  the  FBI. 

Senator  Jackson.  Or  one  that  he  sent  out? 

Mr.  CoLLiKR.  That  is  correct. 

Senator  Jackson.  1  think  the  committee  has  a  grave  responsibility 
here  to  determine  where  that  letter  came  from. 

Senator  Mundt.  I  think  that  would  be  a  separate  request,  and  it 
might  well  be  a  proj^er  one,  but  I  think  what  we  want  to  find  out  im- 
mediately is  w^iether  or  not  we  have  a  letter  or  a  letter  in  a  memo- 
randum, an  inner  office  communication,  which  is  admissible  in  evidence. 

Mr.  Counsel,  if  you  will  determine  that  and  try  to  get  it  available  for 
evidence,  if  it  does  not  violate  rulings  of  the  Attorney  General. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  That  will  be  done,  Mr,  Chairman. 

Senator  Mundt.  That  will  be  done.     I  may  state  a  point  of  order. 

Senator  McCarthy.  A  point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman.  The  Chair 
says  you  should  request  of  Mr.  Brow^nell  permission  to  use  the  entire 
15-page  document.  I  would  like  to  ask  the  Chair  to  request  that  if 
you  cannot  use  the  entire  15-page  document — I  assume  he  will  rule 
against  you  on  that  because  it  contains  the  names  of  informants — ask 
him  whether  or  not  we  can  use  that  portion  of  the  document  which  was 
submitted  yesterday.  Find  out  whether  this  is  a  verbatim  copy  of  the 
FBI  memorandum  or  letter  and,  if  so,  whether  there  is  any  objection 
to  introduction  of  the  part  of  the  document,  omitting  the  names,  which 
I  submitted  yesterday. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  suggests  that  that  would  be  perfectly 
proper  to  find  out  whether  we  could  include  any  or  all  or  at  least 
enough  to  find  out  Avhether  that  is  a  verbatim  copy.  We  will  get  from 
him  whatever  we  can  for  use  as  evidence  in  this  case. 

Have  you  a  further  point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  have.  Mr.  Jackson  has  made  a  completely 
false  statement.  He  said  I  represented  yesterday  that  this  came  from 
Mr.  Hoover.  I  made  it  very  clear  that  I  had  never  received  anything 
from  J.  Edgar  Hoover ;  that  this  was  not  received  from  Mr.  Hoover. 
Mr.  Jackson  knows  that. 

Senator  Jackson.  I  am  not  saying  that  you  said  it  came  from  Mr. 
Hoover.  Here  is  a  letter  purporting  to  come  from  Mr.  Hoover.  It  is 
signed  by  him. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Would  you  like  to  get  the  evidence  on  it  before 
you  make  wild  statements  ? 

Senator  Jackson.  I  am  not  making  wild  statements.  The  commit- 
tee— and  certainly  it  was  pretty  clear  from  the  testimony  yesterday  or 
the  discussion  here  that  this  was  a  letter  purporting  to  have  been 
signed  by  J.  Edgar  Hoover.  I  think  we  ought  to  know  where  it  came 
from. 

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728  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  McCartht.  Mr.  Chairman,  a  point  of  order.  Mr.  Jackson 
has  tried  very  deliberately  to  create  the  impression  that  this  did  not 
come  from  J.  Edgar  Hoover.  I  am  sure  the  evidence  will  show  that 
this  did  come  from  J.  Edgar  Hoover  and  that  there  has  been  omitted 

from  it .  ,     , 

Senator  Mundt.  You  can  take  that  up  in  testimony  with  the  witness. 
Senator  McCarthy.  If  Mr.  Jackson  is  going  to  testify,  I  have  to 

correct  his  misstatements,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  Mundt.  He  has  testified.     You  have  testified  and  neither 

testimony  has  been  under  oath.     The  Chair  suggests  that  counsel 

proceed. 

Senator  Jackson.  A  point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  want  the  rec- 
ord to  show  that  on  yesterday,  so  that  we  have  clear  the  understand- 
ing  

Senator  Mundt.  May  the  Chair  suggest  if  you  are  willing  to  wait 
until  your  10-minute  time  comes,  because  it  will  be  just  a  minute. 

Senator  Jackson.  I  want  to  make  the  ]wint  in  connection  with  the 
point  of  order  previously  made. 

Senator  Mundt.  Very  well,  a  point  of  order. 

Senator  Jackson.  That  on  page  1722  of  the  record  of  yesterday,  I 
asked  the  question : 

May  I  ask  this  question?  I  am  a  little  confused.  This  is  a  copy  of  a  letter 
that  is  being  introduced. 

That  is  quite  clear.  I  made  that  statement.  It  wasn't  denied. 
Again,  this  is  what  Mr.  Jenkins  said  on  page  1723. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Are  you  reading  what  you  said,  Mr.  Jackson  ? 

Senator  Jackson.  I  just  read  what  I  said.  Now,  I  am  reading 
■what  Mr.  Jenkins  said  on  page  1723 : 

Mr.  Jenkins.  I  am  getting  ready  to.  I  hold  now  on  the  basis  of  the  copy  of 
this  letter,  and  on  the  assumption  that  no  party  in  interest  and  no  counsel  would 
refer  to  a  spurious,  manufactured  document  that  Senator  McCarthy's  cross- 
examination  of  the  Secretary  with  reference  to  this  letter  is  wholly  competent—? 

And  again,  on  page  1724,  Senator  McCarthy  said  this — 

I  want  to  question  the  Secretary  as  to  whether  or  not  the  original  of  this  and 
other  letters  like  it  are  in  his  file. 

Then  again,  on  page  1725  of  the  record,  this  is  what  Senator 

McCarthy  said : 

If  Mr.  Welch  is  going  to  say  that  there  is  not  a  copy  of  this  in  the  Army  files, 
he  should  be  sworn,  because  that  statement  is  untrue. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman  ? 

Senator  Jackson.  That  is  pretty  clear-cut.  May  I  repeat  that, 
Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Is  this  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  Jackson.  It  is  a  point  of  order.  The  point  is  that  the 
representation  was  made  that  yesterday  this  was  not  represented  as 
a  copy  of  a  letter  from  ^Mr.  Hoover.  This  is  Senator  McCarthy's 
statement  on  page  1725 : 

If  Mr.  Welch  is  going  to  say  that  there  is  not  a  copy  of  this  in  the  Army  files, 
he  should  be  .sworn,  because  that  statement  is  untrue. 

That  is  Senator  McCarthy's  statement. 
Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman  ? 
Senator  Mundt.  Have  you  a  point  of  order  ? 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  729 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  very  definitely  have,  of  the  same  nature  as 
Mr.  Jackson's.  We  have  a  docinnent  here  which,  according  to  all  the 
information  I  have,  is  verbatim,  a  report  given  from  the  FBI.  It 
should  be  in  the  Army  files.  I  sent  a  wire  this  morning  to  the  Sec- 
retary asking  for  the  addendum  showing  the  derogatory  material  on 
each  side.  I  think  it  is  important  for  Mr.  Jackson  not  to  make  these 
statements  and  try  to  create  these  impressions  when  he  hasn't  seen  the 
letter.  If  he  will  look  at  it,  I  believe  he  will  find  each  and  every  word 
is  identical  to  the  original  letter  with  the  exception  of  the  fact  that 
where  there  is  listed  the  names  of  Fort  Monmouth  employees  and  the 
word  "derogatory"  put  after  it  in  the  FBI  report  you  will  find  the 
derogatory  information  and  perhaps  the  names  of  the  informants. 
If  that  were  included  in  this  letter,  Mr.  Chairman,  then  it  would  be 
objectionable.  We  would  be  violating  the  rule  by  submitting  it  to 
the  committee.  That  security  information  is  not  in  the  letter.  The 
meat  of  the  letter  is  here,  and  I  would  suggest  that  we  proceed  now 
fo  examine  this  young  man  and  see  if  he  can  give  us  this  information 
or  not. 

Senator  Jackson.  Point  of  order,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  will  state  that  he  has  already  ruled  that 
"ounsel  is  to  secure  from  the  Attorney  General  the  eviclence  which 
we  can  get  if  available  to  us,  which  will  determine  the  answers  to  the 
questions  now  being  discussed  under  the  guise  of  a  point  of  order. 
Once  we  get  that  evidence,  certainly  the  documents  before  us  can  be 
compared  and  the  facts  brought  out.  I  suggest.  Senator  McClellan, 
you  proceed  with  the  questioning. 

Senator  McClellan.  Did  you  discuss  with  Mr.  Hoover  or  inquire 
of  him  how  many  copies  of  that  15-page  memorandum  were  made? 

Mr.  Collier.  The  FBI  presently  has  in  its  file  the  yellow  file  copy. 
The  original  was  sent  to  General  JBolling  and  a  carbon  copy  was  sent 
to  General  Carroll.     To  my  knowledge,  no  other  copy  is  in  existence. 

Senator  McClell^vn.  Did  he  state  to  you  specifically  whether  any 
other  copies  were  released  or  transmitted  to  anyone  else  at  the  time  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir.  The  yellow  copy  indicates  the  distribution 
of  all  copies,  and  the  only  distribution  shown  on  the  yellow  copy  was 
that  the  original  went  to  General  Boiling  and  a  carbon  copy  went  to 
General  Carroll.     The  other  distribution  would  not  be  shown. 

Senator  McClellan.  In  other  words,  the  records  of  the  FBI,  ac- 
cording to  Mr.  Hoover,  indicate  that  there  w^as  only  the  original  which 
went  to  General  Boiling  and  the  yellow  carbon  copy  which  was  placed 
in  the  permanent  FBI  files.     Is  that  correct? 

Mr,  Collier.  That  is  what  the  yellow  shows.  I  don't  want  to  speak 
for  Mr.  Hoover,     It  may  be  that 

Senator  McClellan.  I  think  it  is  pretty  important  to  find  that  out. 
I  would  like  for  you  to  inquire  of  Mr.  Hoover  about  that. 

Mr.  Collier.  All  right,  sir. 

Senator  McClellan.  I  would  like  to  trace  this  letter  or  this  memo- 
randum. If  this  information  that  is  alleged  to  be  a  part  of  that  docu- 
mem  did  not  come  from  Mr.  Hoover,  and  no  other  letter  was  released, 
then  the  only  source  it  could  have  come  from  was  the  security  files  of 
the  Army. 

Mr.  Collier.  Let  me  say,  again,  Senator  McClellan,  that  Mr.  Hoover 
said  that  this  w^as  not  a  carbon  copy  or  a  copy  of  any  communication, 
sir. 


730  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  McClellan.  I  am  talking  about  the  information  in  this 
document  that  has  been  presented  to  us.  It  had  to  come  from  either 
the  carbon  copy  in  the  FBI  files  or  from  the  original  that  went  to  the 
Army. 

Mr  Collier.  I  will  check  on  that.  The  United  States  Air  Force 
received  a  copy. 

Sen  fit  or  McClellan.  All  right.     That  is  all. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Dirksen? 

Senator  Dihksen.  Mr.  Collier,  you  did  not  have  opportunity  to  ex- 
amine the  text  of  the  copy  in  the  FBI  files? 

Mr.  Collier.  Senator  Dirksen,  I  purposely  avoided  examining  it. 

Senator  Dirksen.  You  would  therefore  have  no  opportunity  or  did 
not  have  opportunity  and  would  not  know  whether  language  was 
identical  insofar  as  the  pages  available  are  concerned  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  Well,  Mr.  Hoover  did  say  that  it  contains  information 
relating  to  the  same  subject  matter  and  that  in  some  respects  the  exact 
hmguage  in  both  documents  is  the  same. 

Senator  Dirksen.  That  is- all. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Jackson  ? 

Senator  Jackson.  In  talking  with  Mr.  Hoover,  did  he  say  that  the 
two  letters  were  similar?  That  is,  the  one  presented  here  yesterday 
and  the  interdepartmental  memorandum,  that  is;  that  the  FBI  for- 
warded to  the  Army  and  a  copy  to  the  Air  Force?  Or  were  they 
entirely  different? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  don't  want  to  put  words  in  his  mouth.  He  did  not 
use  the  word  "similar";  no.  But,  again,  I  will  use  his  language,  that 
in  some  respects  the  language  in  both  documents  is  the  same. 

Senator  Jackson.  In  one  case  it  is  a  three-page  letter,  I  believe. 

Mr.  Collier.  Two  and  one-quarter  pages. 

Senator  Jackson.  Two  and  one-quarter  and  the  other  is  15  pages? 

Mr.  Collier.  Fifteen  pages;  yes,  sir. 

Senator  Jackson.  Is  the  letter  that  was  presented  to  the  committee 
yesterday  a  synopsis  of  the  interdepartmental  memorandum  that  the 
FBI  sent? 

Mr.  Collier.  Well,  to  answer  that  question,  I  would  have  to  char- 
acterize it  myself.  If  you  w^ant  my  characterization,  based  upon 
what  my  examination  of  it 

Senator  Jackson.  Based  on  your  conversation  with  Mr.  Hoover. 

Mr.  Collier.  This  is,  understand,  my  opinion.  He  did  not  make 
this  statement  and  it  is  not  to  be  attributed  to  him.  Don't  indicate 
that  in  any  way.  It  is  purely  my  statement.  It  is  my  opinion  that 
the  document  presented  here  yesterday  is  a  summary  of  the  15-page 
document. 

Senator  Jackson.  In  the  form  of  a  letter  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  The  form  as  distinguished  from  the  substance  was 
materially  changed ;  yes,  sir. 

Senator  Jackson.  The  point  is  that  it  is  represented  that  these  two 
documents  are  the  same. 

Mr.  Collier.  They  contain  the  same  language  in  some  respects. 

Senator  Jackson.  Yes;  but  I  am  talking  about  throughout. 

Senator  Mundt.  I  believe  Mr.  Collier  testified  he  did  not  have  an 
opportunity  to  read  the  15  pages.  It  is  a  bit  unfair  to  him  to  ask 
him  to  tell  if  it  is  the  same  if  he  didn't  read  it. 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  731 

Senator  Jackson.  I  mean  based  on  your  conversation  -with  Mr. 
Hoover? 

]\Ir.  Collier.  They  do  relate  to  the  same  subject  matter,  that  is  what 
Mr.  Hoover  said,  that  they  do  rehite  to  the  same  subject  matter. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  IMundt.  Does  the  Senator  have  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Yes,  sir;  a  point  of  order. 

Mr.  Jackson  has  just  stated  without  qualification  that  it  was  repre- 
sented that  this  was  a  carbon  copy  of  the  same.  If  he  had  examined 
the  letter,  he  Avould  find  that  on  paije  2  it  is  indicated  in  parentheses 
that  security  information  is  omitted  in  two  different  places. 

I  think  before  the  Senator  makes  these  statements  he  should  exam- 
ine yesterday's  document  unless  he  has  the  reluctance  that  Mr.  Stevens 
had  to  glance  at  it. 

Senator  Jackson.  Well,  I  haven't  had  a  chance  to  see  a  copy  of  it. 
It  was  marked  "personal,"  I  believe,  and  "confidential"  on  the  letter, 
and  it  was  su<i;n:ested  that  the  matter  be  first  taken  up  with  the  FBI 
before  we  all  started  reading  it.     I  didn't  read  it. 

Did  Mr.  Hoover  indicate  to  you  where  this  letter  that  was  intro- 
duced and  presented  to  the  committee  yesterday  might  have  come 
from  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  was  the  first  time,  of  course,  that  he  ever  saw  it. 
The  only  document  in  the  Bureau  files  is  the  carbon  copy  or  the  yellow 
copy  of  the  15-page  memorandum.  This  is  not  a  copy  of  any  docu- 
ment in  the  Bureau  files. 

Senator  Jackson.  That  is  all. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Potter? 

Senator  Potter.  Mr.  Collier,  did  Mr.  Hoover  in  his  conversation 
with  you  state  that  it  was  possible  that  they  could  give  a  summary  of 
the  15-i3age  document  without  having  a  copy  of  this  document  in  their 
file? 

Mr.  Collier.  Xo.  'No;  I  would  say  that  Mr.  Hoover  searched  the 
files,  had  the  files  searched,  and  the  only  memorandum  that  was  sent 
to  General  Boiling  on  that  date  was  the  15-page  memorandum  and 
there  is  no  other — there  is  no  copy  of  this  [indicating],  or  anything 
like  it  in  the  Bureau  files.  The  only  thing  is  the  15-page  interdepart- 
mental memorandum  that  was  sent  to  General  Boiling  and  a  carbon 
copy  to  General  Carroll. 

Senator  Potter.  Is  it  my  understanding  that  that  letter  that  you 
hold  in  your  hand  is  not  signed  but  it  is  typed  "J.  Edgar  Hoover"? 

]\Ir.  Collier.  The  difference,  basically,  is  that  this  is  in  the  form  of 
a  letter.  It  starts  out  with  a  salutation  of  "Sir"  and  at  the  end  "Sin- 
cerely yours,  J.  Edgar  Hoover,  Director." 

"Whereas,  the  FBI  original  15-page  document  was  in  the  form  of 
"Date:  January  26,  1951;  to:  Major  General  A.  R.  Boiling;  From: 
John  Edgar  Hoover,  Director,  Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation,"  and 
that  was  set  out. 

Xo  signature  appeared  on  that  document.  That  is  not  the  type  of 
document  that  is  signed. 

Senator  Potter.  Did  Mr.  Hoover  express  to  you  any  interest  about 
that  document? 

Mr.  Collier.  Xo,  sir.  ^  I  merely  talked  to  him  concerning  the  facts 
as  to  whether  or  not  this  was  authentic.  I  did  not  get  an  opinion 
from  him.    I  did  not  ask  for  it  and  he  did  not  volunteer  it. 


732  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  Potter.  Did  he  express  any  opinion  as  to  whether  the  Army 
or  the  Air  Force,  who  had,  I  assnnie,  tlie  large  15-page  document, 
could  have  made  a  synopsis  of  the  15-page  document  in  the 
21/2-pf^ge  letter  that  you  now  have  and  sent  it  out  as  a  report  from 
J.  Edgar  Hoover  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  can  state  categorically  that  Mr.  Hoover  in  my 
presence  did  not  venture  any  such  opinion. 

Senator  Potter.  Thank  you.     That  is  all,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Symington  ? 

Senator  Symington.  Mr.  Collier,  am  I  correct  that  Mr.  J,  Edgar 
Hoover  asked  you  or  suggested  to  this  committee  that  prior  to  the 
publication  of  this  document,  that  it  be — that  the  matter  be  consulted 
with  the  Attorney  General  of  the  United  States  to  see  whether  the 
publication  of  the  document  was  in  the  interests  of  the  security  of 
the  United  States  ?       _ 

Mr.  Collier,  That  is  correct.  Senator  Symington. 

Senator  Symington.  Mr.  Chairman,  1  hope  that  v»e  carry  out  the 
recommendations  of  Mr.  Hoover  in  that  regard  prior  to  releasing  the 
document. 

Senator  JNIundt.  The  Chair  ruled  that  he  would  do  that,  at  the 
suggestion  of  Senator  Symington,  some  10  minutes  ago. 

Senator  Symington.  ^lay  I  then  say  that  I  reemphasize  that  it  be 
done,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  IVIundt.  It  will  be  done. 

Senator  Symington.  I  would  like  to  point  out,  if  I  may,  to  the 
committee  that  yesterday  I  made  a  notice  of  the  fact  that  the  docu- 
ment was  not  signed  by  JNIr.  Hoover.  One  of  the  reasons  for  doing 
that  is  that  I  have  received  a  great  many  documents  from  Mr.  Hoover 
during  my  term  of  office  in  the  executive  branch  of  the  Govermiient. 
I  never  received  one  in  this  form. 

That  is  all  I  have,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Senator  ]\Iundt.  Senator  Dworshak  ? 

Senator  Dworshak.  Mr.  Collier,  do  you  know  enough  about  the 
procedure  in  the  FlU  to  know  whether  it  has  been  customary  when 
carbon  copies  of  any  letters  are  furnished  to  have  the  Director  sign 
his  name  or  whether  the  name  is  merely  typed  by  the  stenographer? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  spent  a  little  over  IQi^  years  in  the  FBI.  The 
last  six  I  spent  in  an  administrative  capacity  writing  such  memoranda 
as  this,  so  I  have  some  knowledge  of  them.  The  memorandum  that 
was  sent  on  January  26,  1951,  is,  as  I  said,  an  interdepartmental 
memorandum.  It  does  not,  on  the  original,  carry  any  signature  or 
any  initial.  The  yellow  copy  in  the  Bureau  files  does  carry  the  sig- 
nature of  the  person  who  actually  prepared  the  memorandum,  dic- 
tated it,  and  the  ty])ist  who  typed  it,  as  well  as  those  approving  that 
memorandum.  In  some  instances  those  go  all  the  way  to  ISIr.  Hoover, 
and  he  personally  initials  them.  In  some  instances  when  he  is  out 
of  town  on  business,  someone  else  does  it  in  his  behalf. 

Tliis  memorandum  which  I  have  in  my  hand,  which  is  the  one 
brought  in,  is  in  the  form  of  a  letter — "Sir"  and  "^"ery  sincerely 
yours" — which  would  require,  then,  a  signature,  J.  Edgar  Hoover. 
The  memorandum  is  different  from  the  form  being  used  at  that  time. 
The  interdepartmental  memorandum,  may  I  adcl,  is  the  type  that 
"Was  then  and  is  used  by  the  FBI  in  corresponding  with  other  Gov- 


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ernment  departments  and  agencies  in  tlie  general  course  of  its 
business. 

Senator  Dworsiiak.  Is  it  customary  or  not  for  Mr.  Hoover  to  sign 
a  carbon  co|\y  of  a  letter  like  that  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  He  would  not  sign  the  carbon  copy  of  a  letter  that 
goes  out  over  his  signature.     He  would  sign  the  original. 

Senator  Dworsiiak.  His  name  would  be  typed  by  the  stenographer 
on  such  a  copy  ? 

j\Ir.  CoLLiKR.  Yes,  sir. 

Senator  jMundt.  Mr.  "Welch  ? 

Senator  jNIcCartiit.  Mr.  Chairman,  just  a  question  on  the  order 
of  questioning. 

Senator  Muxdt.  You  will  follow  Mr.  Welch. 

Senator  ^McCarthy.  I  understood  the  Chair  to  say  at  the  opening 
of  the  session  that  ]Mr.  Welch  would  have  the  first  opportunity  to 
question  his  witnesses,  that  I  would  have  the  first  opportunity  to 
question  mine.  This  young  man  is  called  for  the  purpose  of  testify- 
ing in  regard  to  a  document  which  I  asked  to  have  introduced.  While 
I  don't— — 

Senator  JMuxdt.  The  Senator  is  right  as  far  as  understanding  the 
rule  of  the  Chair  is  concerned,  but  Mr.  Collier  was  here  neither  as 
an  Army  witness  nor  as  Senator  McCarthy's  witness  but  as  a  com- 
mittee witness;  so  the  Chair,  exercising  his  jurisdiction,  has  called 
on  Mr.  Welch. 

Mr.  Welch.  Mr.  Collier,  am  I  correct  in  thinking  that  you  did  not 
read  the  15-page  document  in  the  files  of  the  FBI  'i 

Mr.  Collier.  You  are  correct.  I  purposely  avoided  it  because  it 
contains  security  information. 

Mr.  Welch.  I  do  not  know  what  your  answer  will  be,  but  may  I 
ask  whether  or  not  you  read  the  short  document  about  which  I  shall 
question  you  in  a  moment  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  It  has  been  a  little  hard,  I  will  admit,  to  carry  it 
around  all  night  and  not  read  it  to  some  extent.  However,  I  will 
say  truthfully  that  insofar  as  possible  I  have  avoided  reading  the 
entire  document.     I  merely  read  it  with  the  idea  of  identifying  it. 

Mr.  Welch.  That,  Mr.  Collier,  is  because  you  are  as  sharply  aware 
as  I  am  that  it  is  a  crime  to  hand  these  documents  around,  is  that 
right  'i 

Mr.  Collier.  That,  I  am  afraid,  sir,  will  have  to  be  your  character- 
ization, not  mine. 

Mr.  Welch.  You  know  it  is  a  crime  to  disclose  this  security  in- 
formation, do  you  not? 

Mr.  Collier.  As  I  understand  it,  there  is  a  Presidential  directive 
which  requires  all  personnel  to  refrain  from  disclosing  any  informa- 
tion containing  loj'alty  or  security  data. 

Mr.  Welch.  Were  you  in  the  courtroom  yesterday  when  I  declined 
to  read  the  letter? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Welch.  And  when  Secretary  Stevens  declined  to  read  the 
letter? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Welch.  I  have  observed  as  of  now  so  far  as  it  was  humanly 
possible  for  you  to  do  so,  you  have  declined  to  read  the  letter,  is  that 
right,  sir  ? 


734  SPECIAL   INVESTIGATION 

Mr.  Collier.  I  have,  sir. 

Mr.  Welch.  Would  you  hand  me  this  hot  document  which  I  will 
not  read  '^  I  wish  to  call  your  attention  only  to  what  I  saw  yesterday. 
You,  of  course,  have  read  the  address,  haven't  you  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir,  I  have.  I  read  the  address  and  part  of  the 
form  rather  than  the  substance. 

Mr.  Welch.  Right.  I  think  I  will  do  no  wrong  if  I  read  the  head- 
ing: "Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation,  Janu.ary  1^6,  1951."  Are  you 
following  me,  sir'^ 

]\lr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Welch.  Then  appears  the  words  which  I  read  yesterday  and 
which  startled  me  so:  "Personal  and  Confidential  via  Liaisoiu"  Is 
that  right? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Welch.  Then  this  purported  carbon  co])y  of  a  letter  has  this 
appearing:  "Major  General  Boiling,  Assistant  Chief  of  Stall',  G-2, 
Department  of  the  Army,  Washington,  D.  C,  Sir."     Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Welch.  Now,  passing  the  body  of  it  and  going  only  to  the  con- 
clusion, it  appears  at  the  bottom  of  it :  "Sincerely  yours,"  comma,  and 
then  typed  in  capital  letters  "J.  Edgar  Hoover,  Director."  Is  that 
right  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  correct,  sir. 

Mr.  Welch.  INIr.  Collier,  as  I  understand  your  testimony  this  docu- 
ment that  I  hold  in  my  hand  is  a  carbon  copy  of  precisely  nothing,  is 
that  right  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  will  say  that  Mr.  Hoover  informed  me  that  it  is 
not  a  carbon  copy  of  a  memorandum  prepared  or  sent  by  the  FBI. 

INIr.  Welch.  Let  us  have  it  straight  from  the  shoulder.  So  far  as 
you  knoAV,  it  is  a  carbon  copy  of  precisely  nothing? 

Mr.  Collier.  So  far  as  I  know,  it  is,  yes,  but  that  again  is  a  con- 
clusion. 

Mr.  Welch.  So  far  as  you  know,  this  document  in  this  courtroom 
sprung  yesterday  by  Senator  McCarthy  is  a  perfect  phony;  is  that 
right? 

Mr.  Collier.  No,  sir.  That  is  your  conclusion.  I  will  not  draw 
such  a  conclusion. 

Mr.  Wel(^h.  You  just  told  us  it  is  a  carbon  copy  of  precisely  noth- 
ing, haven't  you  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  have  said  it  is  not  a  copy  of  a  document  in  the  FBI 
file.  I  will  not  say  that  it  is  a  copy  of  nothing  because  if  it  was  typed 
as  a  carbon  there  must  have  been  an  original. 

Mr.  Welch.  You  would  think  so,  but  we  can  find  no  trace  of  an 
original,  can  w^e? 

Mr.  Collier.  Not  yet. 

Mr.  Welch.  Anywhere? 

Mr.  Collier.  No,  sir. 

IVIr.  Welch.  No,  sir.  If  no  original  of  this  document  can  be  found, 
will  you  go  along  with  me,  sir,  with  my  quaint  English  when  I  say 
it  is  a  copy  of  precisely  nothing  ? 

Mv.  Collier.  You  are  assuming  that  the  original  cannot  be  found? 

Mr.  Welch.  Tliat  is  right.  ^ 

Mr.  Coi.LiKR.  My  investigation  yesterdav  was  to  determine  whether 
this  was  an  authentic  document.     I  have  made  no  investigation  to 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  735 

determine  whether  the  original  can  be  found  or  not.    It  may  be  that 
it  can  be  found. 

Mr.  Welch.  You  can't  find  a  copy  of  it  in  the  FBI  place,  can  you? 

Mr.  Collier.  No,  sir. 

INIr.  Welch.  No^y,  you  do  not  on  your  investigation — strike  it  out. 
You  are  not  as  you  sit  in  this  chair  in  possession  of  a  sirigle  fact 
which  will  allow  you  to  believe  that  the  document  which  I  now 
show  you  is  a  carbon  copy  of  any  existing  original  letter? 

Mr.  CoLLiEK.  I  made  an  examination  yesterday  to  determine  whether 
this  was  a  copy  of  a  document  prepared  or  sent  by  the  FBI.  I  have 
not  made  any  examination  to  determine  whether  it  is  a  copy  of  an 
original  now  in  existence. 

Mr.  Welch.  Have  you  any  doubt,  sir,  that  it  was  presented  in  this 
room  as  if  it  were  a  carbon  copy  of  a  letter  signed  J.  Edgar  Hoover, 
Director,  and  addressed  to  Major  General  Boiling? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  was  present  when  it  was  presented,  and  I  do  not 
now  remember  the  exact  manner  in  which  it  was  presented. 

Mr.  Welch.  Did  you  have  any  doubt,  sir,  that  your  superior,  Mr. 
Jenkins,  was  handed  a  document  which  he  believed  to  be  a  carbon 
copy  of  a  letter  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  would  be  for  Mr.  Jenkins  to  say. 

Mr.  Welch.  Did  you  believe  it  was  a  carbon  copy  of  a  letter  when 
you  first  heard  it  in  this  room? 

Mr  Collier.  It  was  referred  to  as  a  copy  of  a  letter. 

Mr.  Welch.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Collier  And  I  observed  it.  I  can  draw  no  further  conclusion 
from  it. 

Mr.  Welch.  And  now,  as  you  sit  in  this  room,  you  are  unable  to 
tell  us  on  all  the  information  you  have  been  able  to  obtain  last 
night 

Senator  Mundt.  Somebody  raised  a  point  of  order  from  the  audi- 
ence, which  the  Chair  will  overrule.  I  will  ask  the  audience  to  please 
refrain  from  any  audible  comment. 

Mr.  Welch.  I  don't  know  whether  we  have  a  radio  audience  or  not, 
but  I  was  disturbed  by  someone  in  the  back  of  the  room. 

Senator  Mundt.  One  of  the  officers,  I  think,  spoke  a  little  loudly 
in  talking  to  one  of  our  guests.  W^ould  you  repeat  your  question,  Mr. 
Welch,  or  have  the  reporter  do  it. 

Mr.  Welch.  Would  you  read  it  as  far  as  I  have  gone  ? 

(The  reporter  read  from  his  notes  as  requested.) 

Mr.  Welch  (continuing).  Whether  or  not  this  letter  is  a  cari)on 
cop3'  of  any  letter  actually  in  existence  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  am  unable  to  make  that  statement,  because  my  exam- 
ination last  night  was  directed  at  one  pur))ose  and  one  purpose  only, 
and  that  was  to  determine  the  authenticity  of  this  particular  docu- 
ment with  documents  in  the  Bureau  files. 

Mr.  Welch.  All  right.  Now  I  want  to  try  some  more  simple 
language  on  you,  sir:  You  know  what  we  have  here  purports  to  be  a 
carbon  copy  of  a  real  letter,  don't  you  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  It  is  a  carbon  copy  of  a  letter. 

Mr.  Welch.  Now,  if  I  were  to  use  the  simple  words  which  I  think 
you  will  understand,  and  say  to  you  is  this  document  the  real  McCoy 
or  a  phony,  which  of  those  two  words  would  you  use  ? 


736  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Senator  McCaruiy.  Mr.  (  hairman? 

Mr.  Collier.  1  would  pick  neither.  Mr.  Welch,  may  I  say  to  you 
this 

Mr  Welch  But  suppose  I  asked  you  to  choose  bet  wen  the  two, 
which  would  come  more  nearly  to  the  point 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairnicin. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Senator  from  Wisconsin  is  addressing  the 
Chair  and  so  is  counsel.    I  will  recognize  counsel  first. 

Mr.  Jenkins.  Mr.  Y\''elch,  I  must  say  that  Mr.  Collier  has  answered 
that  question  you  have  just  asked  him,  and  I  do  not  think  your  last 
question  is  a  proper  question  because  it  has  hertofore  been  answered 
by  Mr  Collier. 

Mr.  Welch.  I  do 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  McCarthy,  have  you  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  McCarthy.  Yes.  I  think  the  Chair  should  insist  upon 
certain  rules  of  honesty  on  the  part  of  counsel  for  Mr.  Stevens  and 
Mr.  Adams.  If  he  examined  this  document  wdiich  he  considers  so 
hot  he  wouldn't  ask  these  questions  of  the  young  man,  because  he  would 
see  that  on  the  second  page  it  very  clearly  indicates  that  there  is 
omitted  security  information.  He  knows  that  and  should  know  it,  and 
as  I  say,  I  think  there  should  be  certain  rules,  even  on  your  part,  Mr. 
Welch,  certain  rules  of  honesty  in  cross-examination. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  has  not  read  the  letter  and  Mr.  Welcli 
has  not  read  the  letter,  so  I  suppose  we  labor  under  some  difficulties. 

Mr.  Welch.  We  do.  I  have  higher  standards  in  respect  to  my  own 
conduct  in  respect  to  these  documents  than  the  Senator  and  his  staff 
does.  I  do  not  think  it  is  proper  for  Mr.  Collier  to  read  it  and  he  has 
declined  to  read  it.  I  do  not  think  it  would  be  proper  for  Mr.  Welch 
to  read  it  and  he  has  declined  to  read  it.  I  await  watli  much  interest 
the  Senator's  explanation  of  how  it  reached  his  hands  and  whether 
he  read  it. 

Senator  Mundt.  Have  you  concluded  your  questions? 

Mr.  Welch.  1  have. 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  McCarthy  has  10  minutes. 

Senator  McCarthy.  JNIay  I  make  it  very  clear  that  as  far  as  I  am 
concerned,  the  Truman  directive,  or  any  other  directive,  will  preclude 
me  from  examining  material  bearing  ui)on  the  security  of  this  Nation. 
I  am  very  surprised  when  I  find  Mr.  Welch  here  worried  about  dis- 
closing information  on  Communists,  sitting  back  and  slyly  approving 
the  violation  of  the  law  insofar  as  eavesdropping  is  concerned  and 
monitoring.  So  there  is  no  question  about  Mr.  Collier,  Mr.  Chairman, 
there  will  be  no  ])ersonal  and  confidential  material  where  it  shows  that 
someone  is  covering  u])  and  hiding  Communists. 

Now,  Mr.  Collier,  I  am  going  to  ask  you,  in  view  of  Mr.  Welch's 
questions,  to  examine  the  second  page  of  this  letter,  the  top  of  it — I 
am  not  going  to  ask  you  to  read  what  you  find  there,  but  ask  you 
whether  that  does  not  indicate  that  there  has  been  omitted  background 
security  information  on  an  employee,  the  parenthetical  expression. 

]\Ir.  Collier.  Senator,  I  am  unable  to  say  whether  anything  has  been 
omitted,  because  I  have  not  examined  the  original  document. 

Senator  JNIcCarthy.  I  will  ask  you  to  examine  the  co]5y  which  you 
have,  look  at  the  top  of  the  page  and  see  if  you  do  not  find  in  paren- 


SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION  737 

tlieses  the  explanation  that  security  information  on  a  certain  employee 
has  been  omitted  from  this  letter. 

JVIr.  Welch.  JNIr.  Chairman,  I  think 

Senator  Mundt.  Have  you  a  point  of  order? 

Mr.  "Welch.  Yes.  Counsel  should  rule  as  to  whether  or  not  this 
■witness  may  properly  examine  this  document.  It  is  not  in  my  prov- 
ince to  rule. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman?    Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  Muxdt.  May  the  Chair  sugfiest  to  Senator  McCarthy  that 
if  we  succeed  as  we  hope  we  will,  in  gettinf^  from  the  Attorney  General 
the  material  which  has  been  requested,  we  will  then  all  have  before 
us  the  document  so  we  can  make  a  comparison. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  we  are  interested  in  the  truth 
here.  ]\[r.  Welch  is  apparently  afraid  of  it.  I  am  asking  the  sim])le 
question  of  whether  or  not  the  document  on  its  face  doesn't  show  that 
security  information  was  omitted,  and  that  it  does  not  show  that 
this  never  could  deceive  anyone,  to  indicate  that  all  of  the  FBI  security 
information  was  included.    I  ask  this  question  of  the  witness. 

I  will  insist.  Mr.  Chairman,  that  it  be  answered  unless  the  committee 
votes  me  down  on  that.  There  is  no  reason  why  anyone  should  be 
afraid  of  the  truth  insofar  as  this  document  is  concerned. 

Mr.  Collier.  Senator  McCarthy,  may  I  say  that  I,  as  an  assistant 
counsel  to  Mr.  Jenkins,  am  here  to  get  the  facts.  I  don't  think  it  is  our 
purpose  nor  our  right  to  draw  conclusions  in  any  form.  I  have  ex- 
amined this  document,  as  I  have  so  testified,  at  the  beginning  and  at 
the  end,  in  order  to  establish  what  kind  of  document  it  is,  in  order  to 
identify  it.    I  have  not  read  the  contents. 

The  part  you  speak  of  is  on  page  2.  I  feel  that  in  view  of  the  security 
requirements  I  should  not  read  that  second  page. 

Senator  AIcCarthy.  I  am  asking  you  to  look  at  the  top  of  page  2, 
which  contains  nothing  in  regard  to  security,  but  shows  that  the  secu- 
rity infoi-mation  was  omitted.  I  ask  you  to  look  at  that  parenthetical 
expression.  It  is  very  important  to  establish  that  fact  now,  in  view  of 
the  repeated  statements  by  Mr.  Welch  that  this  was  a  phony,  and  that 
anyone  had  a  right  to  believe  that  all  of  the  security  information  was 
in  it. 

]\Ir.  Chairman,  it  is  important  to  get  at  the  truth  of  this  right  now. 

Mr.  Collier.  Senator  McCarthy,  I  feel  that  I  must  respectfully 
decline  to  read  it  and  determine  those  facts  from  it. 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  am  going  to  ask  the  Chair 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  believes  the  witness  has  a  right  to  de- 
cline to  read  confidential  information  if  he  prefers  not  to  read  it  and 
the  Chair  will  not  order  him  to  read  it  if  he  so  declines. 

We  are  waiting  for  a  ruling  from  the  Attorney  General  to  cover 
precisely  the  points  that  the  Senator  is  now  discussing. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Collier,  let  me  ask  you  this  question,  drop- 
ping down  to  page  2,  to  the  end  of  paragraph  2,  do  you  find  in  effect, 
that  the  information  concerning  the  individuals  listed  has  been 
omitted  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  No,  sir;  I  have  not  made  that  observation.  I  have 
looked  at  page  2 ;  I  find  tiiat  on  page  2  there  are  a  list  of  names. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Noav,  if  you  have  looked  at  page  2  before  you 
should  not  refuse  to  look  at  it  right  now. 


738  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Mr,  CoLMFR.  I  only  looked  at  it  to  determine  what  it  looked  like. 
T  can  identify  page  2  by  the  list  of  names  on  it  and  nothing  more.  And 
I  don't  know  the  names.  I  merely  know  that  there  are  a  series  of 
names  on  the  page.    I  have  not  read  it. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Collier,  you  were  appointed  by  Mr.  Jen- 
kins to  find  out  whether  or  not  this  is  a  du])lioate  of  information  or  a 
summary  of  information  in  regard  to  Communists  at  Fort  Monmouth 
or  in  the  military. 

I  now  apk  you  to  look  at  page  2.  You  will  find  a  list  of  names.  I  am 
not  asking  you  to  read  those  names  off,  but  I  am  asking  you  to  tell 
us  whether  or  not  this  copy  does  not  clearly  show,  that  there  was 
omitted  from  page  2  all  of  the  FBI  reports  and  these  individuals,  that 
their  names  are  merely  listed  and  the  notification  after  them  as  to 
what  was  shown,  derogatory  or  not  derogatory. 

Mr.  Collier.  Senator  McCarthy,  as  far  as  I  am  concerned  person- 
ally, that  goes  to  the  substance  of  the  memorandum  itself,  and  without 
a  ruling  by  the  Attorney  General,  which  ]\Ir.  Hoover  has  suggested 
that  the  committee  secure,  I  do  not  feel  entitled  to  read  the  document 
for  the  purpose  of  ascertaining  the  facts  you  suggest. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Collier,  do  you  mean  to  tell  us  you  did  not 
read  this  document  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  purposely  avoided  reading  this  document  in  its  en- 
tirety, as  I  so  testified. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  wonder  how  ridiculous  we 
can  get  here.  I  am  trying  to  have  this  young  man  just  look  at  the 
letter,  he  has  carried  it  around  in  his  pocket  all  night,  and  tell  us 
whether  or  not  on  page  2  it  isn't  made  very  clear  that  there  has  been 
omitted  from  this  document  the  FBI  security  information,  and  that 
there  is  no  security  information  in  this  document. 

It  is  a  very  simple  request  to  be  made,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  I  think 
I  am  entitled  to  get  that  answer. 

Senator  Symington.  Mr.  Chairman? 

Senator  Mundt.  Senator  Symington,  have  you  a  point  of  order? 

Senator  Symington.  I  bow-  to  the  chairman  with  great  respect. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  witness  has  stated  that  he  declines  to  read  the 
letter.  He  has  been  instructed  by  J.  Edgar  Hoover  that  it  contains 
information  which  is  identical  to  the  information  which  he  felt  the 
Attorney  General  should  rule  upon,  and  the  Chair  is  not  going  to  order 
the  witness  to  do  something  that  he  thinks  he  should  not  do. 

Senator  IMcCarthy.  JNIr.  Collier,  you  say  that  the  Director  told  j^ou 
the  language  was  identical  in  some  respects;  is  that  correct? 

ISIr.  Collier.  That  is  correct,  in  some  respects. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Did  he  tell  you  that  the  language  Avas  identical 
in  all  respects 

Mr.  Collier.  No. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Except  that  this  three-]">age  document  omitted 
the  security  reports  furnished  by  the  FBI ;  that  other  than  that  the 
document  is  complete? 

]\Ir.  Collier.  No,  sir ;  he  did  not  state  it  in  that  way. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Well,  now,  what  did  he  tell  you? 

Mr.  Collier.  He  told  me  that  the  language  is  identical  in  some  re- 
spects and  that  it  relates  to  the  same  subject  matter;  that  both  docu- 
ments relate  to  the  same  subject  matter.  That  was  as  far  as  he  felt  he 
was  entitled  to  go. 


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Senator  IMcCartiiy.  Did  lio  toll  you  tlierp  -was  any  twistinf;,  any 
distortinfif,  tiny  violation  of  the  ]anoua<i;e  used  in  the  report  that  he  sent 
over,  exoe]5t  to  eliminate  the  security  information? 

Mr.  Collier.  He  made  absolutely  no  connnent  concerning  the  lan- 
guacfe.     He  did  not  characterize  it  in  any  manner. 

Senator  ]\[cCartiiy.  Mr.  Collier,  Avere  you  not  interested  Avhen  you 
Avent  over  there  in  finding  out  whether  or  not  this  did  in  any  way 
twist  or  distort  or  violate  any  of  the  original  language? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  I  was  originally,  but  when  I  determined  that  the 
Director  felt  that  the  document  was  of  a  security  classification  and 
that  he  deferred  to  the  judgment  of  the  Attorney  General  as  to  whether 
or  not  that  should  be  read  by  anj'one,  including  myself,  I  did  not  pur- 
sue that  line  of  inquiry. 

Senator  ]\IcCx^rthy.  May  I  ask  counsel  for  the  Army,  so  the  At- 
torney General  will  know  the  attitude  of  the  parties  to  this  dispute, 
■whether  counsel  for  the  Army  will  consent  to  having  the  15-page 
document,  with  the  security  information  deleted,  and  this  document 
made  public  so  that  the  press  and  the  public  can  compare  the  two 
documents  ? 

Mr.  Welch.  Thank  j^ou,  Senator,  for  finally  referring  to  me  as 
counsel  for  the  Army. 

Senator  McCarthy.  It  was  a  mistake.    I  apologize. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Welch  has  the  floor. 

Mr.  Welch.  It  is  not  in  my  jurisdiction,  sir,  to  pass  on  the  security 
matters.    The  Attorney  General  will  have  to  do  that. 

Senator  ]\IcCartiiy.  I  know.  I  just  asked  whether  or  not  we  can 
transmit  to  the  Attorney  General  the  information  that  both  counsel 
for  Mr.  Stevens  and  Mr.  Adams,  as  well  as  Senator  McCarthy,  re- 
quest that  they  make  the  15-page  document  public  if  there  is  deleted 
any  security  information,  and  that  also  we  make  public  the  document 
which  I  have  submitted  after  deleting  the  names  on  page  2. 

Mr.  Welch.  I  have  not  read  the  document  that  is  referred  to.  It  is 
impossible  for  me  to  form  any  judgment  of  that  sort.  That  would 
have  to  be  left  to  the  Attorney  General. 

Senator  McCarthy.  I  get  your  attitude  very  clearly. 

Mr.  Collier,  I  assume  that  you  are  unable  to  contact  General  Boiling 
to  see  whether  or  not  someone  in  his  office  had  ever  made  a  summary 
of  the  15-page  report. 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  correct.  I  did  not  make  that  line  of  inquiry, 
either. 

Senator  ]\rcCARTHY.  Mr.  Chairman,  may  I  suggest  that  Mr.  Collier 
or  someone  be  designated  to  contact  General  Boiling's  office  and  find 
out  whether  or  not  they  made  a  summary  and,  if  so,  the  distribution  of 
that  summary  and  whether  or  not  this  is  an  accurate  summary  made 
bv  Boiling's  office. 

"  Senator  Muxdt.  The  Chair  will  take  that  suggestion  along  with 
the  ones  earlier  made  by  Senator  Jackson  and  bring  them  before  the 
subcommittee  in  its  executive  meeting  which  we  will  hold  in  my  office 
this  afternoon  at  2  o'clock. 

Senator  McCarthy.  In  any  event,  Mr.  Collier,  is  it  your  testimony 
that  you  are  of  the  impression— and  you  are  not  attributing  this  to 
Mr.  Hoover,  but  it  is  vour  own  perronal  impression  after  talking 
with  Mr.  Hoover— that' this  is  a  summary  of  the  15-page  document? 


740  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Mr.  Collier.  Again  may  I  say  that  ISIr.  Hoover  did  not  so  char- 
acterize it.  He  did  not  make  any  connnent  on  it.  I  was  asked  for  my 
personal  opinion.  I  give  it  as  such :  My  personal  opinion  is  that  this 
document,  this  carbon  copy,  is  in  the  nature  of  a  summary  of  a  15-page 
document  prepared  by  the  FBI. 

Senator  JSIcCarthy.  Just  in  closing,  ISIr.  Collier,  may  I  make  it 
very  clear  that  in  my  vigorous  examination  of  you  I  do  not  want  that 
to  be  construed  by  anyone  to  mean  that  I  do  not  have  confidence  in 
your  ability.  I  am  fully  aware  of  your  background.  I  think  that 
you  would  make  an  excellent  addition  to  any  staff,  period. 

Mr.  Collier.  Thank  you. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Cohn  has  some  questions. 

Senator  Muxdt.  Have  you  finished? 

Mr.  CoHN.  I  have  some  questions. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Cohn. 

Mr.  Coiix.  Mr.  Collier,  is  this  much  very  clear  from  what  you  have 
been  able  to  tell  us  at  this  time:  That  on  the  date  Senator  McCarthy 
mentioned  yesterday,  January  26,  1951,  there  was  transmitted,  under 
the  name  of  John  Edgar  Hoover,  to  Army  Intelligence  a  document? 

]Mr.  (>)LLiER.  I  will  restate  it,  Mr.  Cohn.  Under  date  of  January 
26,  1051,  a  15-page  FI^I  memorandum  was  prepared.  The  original 
of  that  memorandum  was  transmitted  to  General  Boiling's  office  via 
liaison  on  January  27,  and  the  carbon  copy  to  General  Carroll's  office 
via  liaison  on  the  29th. 

Mr.  Cohn.  Sir,  did  this  memorandum  go  to  the  Army  under  the 
name  of  John  Edgar  Hoover? 

Mr.  Collier.  Yes,  sir.  On  the  memorandum  there  are  the  printed 
words  "date,  to,  from,  and  subject";  and  beside  the  word  "to"  was  the 
identification,  "Major  General  A.  R.  Boiling,  Assistant  Chief  of  Staff, 
G-2,  Department  of  the  Army,  The  Pentagon,  Washington,  D.  C," 
and  beside  the  word  "from,"  "John  Edgar  Hoover,  Director,  Federal 
Bureau  of  Investigation." 

Mr.  Cohn.  You  say  printed.     Were  they  not  typewritten? 

Mr.  Collier.  They  were  typed. 

Mr.  Cohn.  Typewritten  words,  "From,  John  Edgar  Hoover,  Direc- 
tor, Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation"? 

Mr.  Courier.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Cohn.  And,  sir,  is  it  a  fact,  on  the  basis  of  what  you  can  tell 
us  now,  the  subject  matter  of  this  15-page  memorandum  from  Mr. 
Hoover  to  the  Army  on  that  date  \vas  Aaron  Coleman,  then  at  Fort 
Monmouth,  espionaging? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  will  say  this:  That  after  the  word  "From"  and  the 
designation  "John  Edgar  Hoover,  Director,  Federal  Bureau  of  In- 
vestigation," there  followed  the  word  "Subject"  and  typed  thereon 
was  "Aaron  Hyman  Coleman,  Espionage — R."  For  your  informa- 
tion the  R  stands  for  Russian. 

Mv.  Cohn.  The  "R"  stands  for  Russian. 

Senator  Mundt.  Your  time  has  expired,  Mr.  Cohn. 

Does  counsel  have  further  questions?  The  Chair  has  none.  Any 
Senators  to  my  right?     Any  questions  by  Senators  to  my  left? 

Mr.  Welch,  any  further  questions  ? 

Mr.  Welch.  Just  one  question. 


SPECIAL   INVESTIGATION  741 

The  typewritten  document  that  we  have  had  in  the  courtroom  this 
morninii;  does  not  purport  to  be  a  summary  of  anything;  does  it? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  think  the  document  speaks  for  itself. 

Mr.  "Welch.  INIy  question  is:  It  doesn't  jnirport,  it  doesn't  say  at 
the  top  of  it,  "Summary,''  does  it  ? 

JNIr.  Collier.  No,  sir;  it  does  not. 

INIr.  AVelcm.  It  just  looks  like  a  letter  beginning  with  a  salutation; 
is  tliat  right  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  The  salutation  "Sir." 

Mr.  Welch.  And  ending  with 

]Mr,  Collier.  '"Sincerely  yours." 

Mr.  AVelcm.  Thank  you. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Cohn  or  Senator  McCarthy  ? 

Senator  IMcCartiiy.  Just  1  or  2  questions. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  expresses  the  hope  we  can  finish  with 
Mr.  Collier  before  the  lunch  hour. 

Senator  McCarthy.  In  view  of  Mr.  Welch's  question  that  this  doe? 
not  appear  to  be  a  summary,  I  ask  you  to  look  en  page  2  and  tell  us 
Avhether  or  not  it  does  not  clearly  appear  to  be  a  summary,  that  you 
have  in  parenthesis  the  definite  information  that  there  have  been 
deletions  from  this  document,  of  security  information.  In  view  of 
the  fact  that  you,  I  assume,  do  not  feel  you  can  answer  that,  Mr. 
Collier,  I  will  state  for  the  record  that  that  is  the  case,  and  I  hope  that 
all  the  Senators  will  examine  this. 

I  have  just  one  other  question  to  ask  of  the  Chair.  In  view  of  Mr. 
Welch's  statement  that  was  a  phony,  I  ask  that  the  Chair  write  a  letter 
to  the  Director  of  the  FBI,  J.  Edgar  Hoover,  and  ask  him  whether 
or  not  this  is  not  an  accurate  summary  merely  having  deleted  the 
security  information. 

Senator  Muxdt.  The  Chair  has  already  stated  that  he  would  take 
up  your  earlier  suggestion,  the  suggestion  of  Senator  Jackson  and 
now  your  present  suggestion,  at  the  executive  committee  meeting  we 
have  called  for  2  o'clock. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Cohn  has  a  few  questions. 

]Mr.  Cgiint.  I  think  we  left  at  this  point :  This  memorandum  sent 
under  the  name  of  John  Edgar  Hoover,  Director  of  the  FBI,  to  the 
Army,  dated  January  26,  and  I  believe  you  said  delivered  on  January 
27,  sir? 

]Mr.  Collier.  That  is  correct. 

IVIr.  Cohn.  Bears  the  heading  "Aaron  Coleman,  Espionage-R." 

]\Ir.  Collier.  Aaron  Hyman  Coleman. 

INIr.  Cohn.  Espionage-iK,  and  you  now  tell  us  that  the  word  "R"' 
stands  for  Russian. 

Mr.  Collier.  Mr.  Hoover  told  me  I  could  say  that  the  "R"  stands 
for  Russian. 

Mr.  Cohn.  So  you  can  tell  us  this  morning  that  the  15-page  memo- 
randum was  a  communication  from  Mr.  Hoover  to  the  Army  concern- 
ing Aaron  Coleman  and  Russian  espionage.     Is  that  a  fair  statement  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  what  the  "To"  and  the  "From"  read,  and  the 
subject  is  Aaron  Hyman  Coleman,  Espionage-R. 

Mr.  Cohn.  Can  you,  Mr.  Collier,  as  having  been  present  in  the 
room  and  a  member  of  Mr.  Jenkins'  staff,  tell  us  from  the  testimony  of 


742  SPECIAL    mVESTIGATIOjSr 

yesterday  and  the  public  record,  that  on  the  day  this  memorandiun 
was  sent  over  from  jMr.  Hoover,  Aaron  Hyman  Coleman  was  the 
section  head  in  tlie  secret  radar  laboratory  at  Fort  IMonmouth'^ 

Mr.  Collier.  Mr.  Cohn,  I  cannot  tell  you  that  of  my  own  personal 
knowledge. 

Mr.  Cdiix.  I  wonld  ask  the  Chair,  then,  to  take  judicial  or  chairman- 
wise  notice  of  the  public  hearin<i;s  of  this  committee  of  December  8, 
1953,  which  indicate  that.  I  believe  I  read  the  job  description  of  Mr. 
Coleman  into  the  record  yesterday. 

Now,  sir,  can  j'ou  tell  us  whether  Senator  McCarthy  stated  with 
completely  accuracy  yesterday  that  this  15-page  memorandum,  that 
this  memorandum  by  Mr.  Hoover,  was  a  warning  to  the  Army  that  at 
the  secret  radar  laboratories  at  Fort  iSIonmouth  a  group  of  associates 
of  Julius  Rosenberg  and  people  with  Communist  records  were  oper- 
ating on  a  secret  link  and  chain  radar  project  at  that  time? 

Mr.  Collier.  Mr.  Cohn,  I  cannot  tell  you  of  my  own  personal  knowl- 
edge. I  was  busy  on  some  other  matters,  I  Avas  in  and  out  of  the 
room.  I  didn't  hear  that  complete  statement.  The  record  would 
speak  for  itself. 

Mr.  CoHX.  Mr.  Collier,  I  think  a  key  question  at  this  point  ''3  this: 
Have  you  also  ascertained  whether  or  not  the  Army  has  in  its  fiies  at 
this  time  the  original  of  this  memorandum  from  ,1.  Edgar  Hoover, 
concerning  Russian  espionage  and  Aaron  Coleman  of  the  radar  lab- 
oratory at  Fort  ]\Ionmouth  ? 

Mr.  Collier.  I  did  not  ascertain  that.  Mr.  Stevens  was  asked  to 
furnish  that  information  this  morning.  As  I  recall,  his  testimony 
was  that  he  hfid  not  found  this  document,  but  he  did  not  say  whether 
or  not  he  had  the  original  of  the  15  pages.  I  only  know  what  the 
records  of  the  FBI  revealed,  and  that  is  that  the  document  was  deliv- 
ered on  January  27,  via  liaison. 

Mr.  CoHx.  Mr.  Chairman,  at  this  time  might  Ave  request  that  an 
additional  series  of  documents  which  Ave  have  reason  to  believe  Avere 
transmitted  to  the  Department  of  the  Army  over  a  period  of  time  in 
January — from  January  3,  1951,  up  through  the  present  day,  concern- 
ing Communist  activities  of  people  em])loyed  at  Fort  Monmouth, 
memoranda  such  as  this  from  John  Edgar  Hoover,  Director  of  the 
FBI,  to  the  Army,  may  Ave  ask  that  those  likewise  be  produced  by  ^Mr. 
Stevens  here  this  morning  or  this  afternoon,  that  they  be  made  a  part 
of  the  record  but  be  Avithheld  until  such  time  as  a  request  is  made  of 
the  Attorney  General,  but  that  the  documents  be  made  available  and 
held  in  readiness,  so  that  the  public  may  have  the  story  of  the  FBI 
warnings  to  the  Army  on  the  subject. 

Senator  Mukdt.  The  Chair  suggests  that  you  have  Senator  Mc- 
Carthy make  that  request  of  us  at  executiA^e  session.  We  have  already 
announced  that  we  Avill  subpena  all  records,  all  documents,  all  indi- 
viduals connected  Avith  this  case,  provided,  of  course,  no  security 
regulations  are  violated. 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Collier,  just  one  question.  In  discussing 
this  matter  with  Mr.  Hoover,  did  you  get  the  impression  Avhich  I  may 
say  I  have  gotten,  that  the  FBI  transmitted  all  of  the  information 
which  they  had  in  regard  to  Russian  or  Communist  espionage  to  the 
pro])er  departments  and  that  any  failure  to  act,  any  failure  to  remove 
people  like  Aaron  Coleman  or  anyone  else,  was  not  the  fault  of  <he 
FBI  because  they  gave  all  the  information  they  had,  conducted 


SPECIAL   INVESTIGATION  743 

tliorou<rli  iiivestijiations.  but  was  tlie  fault  of  the  people  involved  as  the 
sii])ervi?;oi's  to  the  susi->ected  espiona<;e  aijents^ 

iSIr.  Coi,i,iKi{.  ]\Ir.  Hoover  did  not  make  any  such  statement  to  me, 
and  did  not  talk  about  that  to  me.  1  -will  tell  you  from  my  personal 
experience  in  the  FBI  that  all  information  of  a  security  natuie  is 
promptly  forwarded  to  all  interested  Government  ajjencies,  and  that 
it  is  not  evaluated,  it  is  merely  furnished  as  facts  <i;athered.  The  FBI 
does  not  make  any  evaluation.  It  merely  furnishes  the  information  as 
it  i«  obtained. 

Senator  McCArxHY.  Just  one  further  question :  I  ask  this  bccauso 
so  many  peoi^tle  try  to  blame  the  FBI  when  we  find  Communists  in 
various  dei)artments.  It  is  true,  is  it  not,  that  the  FBI  has  no  power 
to  hire  or  fire  anyone,  their  only  power  is  to  send  down  the  report, 
conduct  the  investiojation,  and  hope  that  the  security  agencies  involved 
will  act:  is  that  correct? 

Mr.  CoLLTKif.  A^ain,  Senator  McC^arthy,  I  am  speaking  for  myself, 
from  my  experience  in  the  FBI.  The  FBI  does  not  have  any  power 
to  hire  or  fire  anyone  other  than  its  own  personnel.  It  gathers  infor- 
mation, in  a  factual  form,  forwards  that  information  either  in  reports 
or  memorandums  to  the  interested  Government  officials,  and  it  is  in- 
cumbent upon  them,  to  properly  evaluate  it  in  line  with  the  desires  that 
they  have  to  use  the  information. 

Senator  JNTcCartiiy.  One  other  question  now.  The  fact  that  the 
memorandum  had  the  notation,  "espionage,  Kussian,"  would  indicate 
it  was  a  report  upon  Russian  espionage,  would  it  not  ? 

J\lr.  Goi.rJFK.  Again,  may  I  speak  from  my  personal  experience.  T 
am  not  contributing  this  in  any  way  to  Mr.  Hoover,  I  want  to  keep  that 
clear.  Fiom  my  personal  experience  in  the  FBI,  in  pre]")arino'  reports 
and  in  gathering  information,  it  is  necessary  to  classify  it.  We,  I  say 
we  meaning  the  Bureau,  arbitrarily  has  set  up  certain  classifications, 
internal  security  and  espionage,  and  tlien  the  ''K''  which  in  this  case 
stands  for  Russian,  identifies  the  nationality  group. 

Senator  JMcCarthy.  So  that  then  there  can  be  no  doubt  in  anyone's 
mind  that  this  report  upon  a  man  who  is  head  of  the  important  section 
in  the  secret  radar  laboratories,  was  being  reported  on,  a  15-page  re- 
port, and  that  had  to  do  with  Russian  espionage? 

Mr.  CorxTFR.  "Well,  I  don't  want  to  leave  any  false  impression.  The 
"espionage-R."  is  routine.  It  is  not  abnormal  in  any  way  to  be  on  a 
document.  That  is  used  under  the  proper  designation  and  is  a  rou- 
tine classification  placed  thereon. 

Senator  McCarthy.  By  routine,  you  mean  if  it  deals  with  Russian 
espionacfe,  it  would  be  routine  to  put  the  "R"  on  it. 

Mr.  CoLTJF.R.  That  is  right. 

Senator  McCarthy.  If  it  dealt  with  any  other  type  of  espionage, 
it  would  not  be  routine  to  put  the  "R"  on  it? 

Mr.  CoiJ.TER.  The  proper  designation  would  be  put  on  it. 

Senator  ^VIcCarthy.  So  when  you  say  it  is  routine — let  me  get  this 
straight.  We  are  dealing  here  now  with  a  secret  radar  laboratory, 
dealing  with  a  report  on  a  man  who  is  head  of  an  important  section. 
There  can  be  no  doubt  in  anyone's  mind,  the  "R"  indicated  that  the 
information  in  the  15-page  report  dealt  with  Russian  espionage  and 
also  dealt  with  Aaron  Coleman  ? 


744  SPECIAL    INVESTIGATION 

Mr.  Collier.  That  is  liard  tc  answer  because  you  say  it  dealt-  with 
Eussiaii  espionage.  The  espionage  R  is  an  arbitrary  designation  that 
is  given  to  the  type  of  investigation.  Now,  it  might  well  be  that  an 
investigation  starts  out  with  the  allegations  that  there  was  espionage 
and  it  would  turn  into  some  other  type.  The  espionage  R  is  merely 
for  filing  purposes  and  for  the  use  of  the  Bureau  in  determining  how 
to  carry  on  the  investigation,  how  to  classify  it.  This  is  not  an  un- 
usual document  in  that  it  has  espionage  R.  Many  documents  emanat- 
ing from  the  Bureau  carry  the  classification  "espionage  R." 

Senator  McCarthy.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  know  that  the  Chair  has 
ruled  on  this,  to  some  extent^  before,  but  I  think  this  testimony  makes 
it  doubly  iin])ortant  that  we  strongly  urge  the  Attorney  General  to 
make  available  for  the  public  those  parts  of  the  document  which  show 
that  this  did  deal  strongly  with  Communist  espionage  at  the  radar 
phuit. 

Senator  Mundt.  The  Chair  has  already  ruled  on  it  over  an  hour 


ago 


Senator  McCarthy.  No  further  questions. 

Senator  Mundt.  Does  anybody  have  further  questions  of  Mv.  Col- 
lier? If  not,  Mr.  Collier,  you  are  dismissed  and  it  is  fair  to  say  you 
have  been  an  excellent  witness  and  we  appreciate  the  forthright, 
prompt,  decisive  answers  you  have  made. 

Mr.  Collier.  Thank  you,  sir. 

Senator  Mundt.  Mr.  Counsel  and  members  of  the  committee,  I  be- 
lieve it  is  12 :  20.  I  believe  we  have  an  executive  meeting  at  2  o'clock. 
What  is  the  pleasure  of  the  coimnittee  ?    Do  you  want  to  recess  now  ? 

We  will  recess  until  2:30  this  afternoon,  with  an  executive  com- 
mittee meeting  in  my  office  at  2  o'clock. 

(Whereu])on,  at  12:  20  p.  m..  the  committee  was  recessed,  to  recon- 
vene at  2 :  30  p.  m.,  the  same  day.) 


INDEX 

Page 

Adams,  John  G 710,  730,  7:59 

Air  Force  (United  States) 722,  723,  730,  732 

Army  (United  States) 720,  722,  728-730,  732-734,  739-742 

Army  files 72S,  729 

Armv  Intel lisence  (G-2) 722,  734 

Assistant  Chief  of  Staff  (G-2.  Army) 722,  734 

Assistant  Secretary  of  Defense  (International  Secnrity  Affairs) 719 

Attorney  General  ('United  States) 724-727,  729,  732,  737-739,  742 

I'.oUing,  Maj.  Gen.  A.  R 722,  729,  731,  734,  73r,,  739,  740 

F.rownell,    Mr 727 

Bryan,  Frederick  P 719 

Carl,  Maj.  Gen.  Joseph  F 724 

Carr,  Francis  P 719 

Carroll.  Maj.  Gen.  Joseph  F 722,  723,  7.31,  740 

Cohn,  Roy  M 719,  721 

Coleman,  Aaron  Hymau 722,  723,  740-743 

Collier,  Robert  A.,  testimony  of 720-744 

Communists 72."»,  730,  73S,  742,  744 

Cramer,  Colonel 724 

Department  of  the  Army 720,  722,  72S-730,  732-734,  739-742 

Dirlvsen,   Senator 710 

Europe 720 

i'ederal  Bureau  of  Investigation  (l^Bl) 721-72."), 

727,  729-731,  733-735,  737,  738,  740-743 

Federal  Goyernment 718,  732,  743 

Fort  Monmouth 718,  72.'),  72(5,  729,  738,  740,  742 

G-2  (Army  Intelligence) 722,  734 

Goyernment  of  the  United  States 718,  732,  743 

ITensel,  H.  Struye 718-720 

Hooyer,  J.  Edgar 718,  721-72.J,  727-735,  738-743 

Inspector  General  (USAF) 723 

Intelligence  Department   (Army) 720 

International  Security  Affairs 718,  719 

Leyy,  Gill 724 

McCarthy,  Senator  Joe 710-719,  721-729,  731,  733,  734,  736-744 

McClellan,   Senator 718 

OSI 724 

Pentagon 720,  722,  740 

Potter,    Senator 719 

Presidential  directiye 72(i,  733 

Radar  laboratories  (Fort  Monmouth) 742,  744 

Reynolds,  Wesley  P 724 

Rosenberg,    Julius 742 

Russian  espionage 741-743 

Sanders,  Ed   S 724 

Secretary  of  the  Army 710,  720,  723,  724,  728,  731,  73(;,  739,  742 

Secretary  for  the  International  Security  Affairs 710 

Special  Inyestigations  (Inspector  General,  USAF) 723 

Steyens,  Robert  T 716,  723,  724,  728,  731,  733,  736,  730,  742 

Te.stimony    of 720 

United  States  Air  Force 722,  723,  730,  732 

United  States  Army 720,  722,  728-730,  732-734,  739-742 

United  States  Army  (Intelligence  Department) 720 

United  States  Attorney  General : 724-727,  729,  732,  737-739,  742 

United  States  Goyernment 718,  732,  743 

Washington,  D.  C 722,  740 

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