SPECIAL SENATE INVESTIGATION ON CHARGES
AND COUNTERCHARGES INVOLVING: SECRE-
TARY OF THE ARMY ROBERT T. STEVENS, JOHN
G. ADAMS, H. STRUVE HENSEL AND SENATOR
JOE McCarthy, roy m. cohn, and
FRANCIS p. CARR
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SPECIAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON
INVESTIGATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE ON
UNITED STATES SENATE
S. Res. 189
MAY 17, 1954
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COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
JOSEPH R. MCCARTHY, Wisconsin, Chairman
KARL E. MUNDT, South Dakota JOHN L. McCLELLAN, Arkansas
MARGARET CHASE SMITH, Maine HUBERT H. HUMPHREY, Minnesota
HENRY C. DWORSHAK, Idaho HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington
EVERETT McKINLEY DIRKSEN, IIlinolB JOHN F. KENNEDY, Massachusetts
JOHN MARSHALL BUTLER, Maryland STUART SYMINGTON, Missouri
CHARLES E. POTTER, Michigan ALTON A. LENNON, North Carolina
Richard J. O'Melia, Qeneral Counsel
Walter L. Reynolds, ChicJ Clerk
Special Subcommittee on Investigations
KARL E. MUNDT, South Dakota, Chairman
HENRY C. DWORSHAK, Idaho JOHN L. McCLELLAN, Arkansas
EVERETT MCKINLEY DIRKSEN, Illinois HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington
CHARLES E. POTTER, Michigan STUART SYMINGTON, Missouri
Ray H. Jenkins, Chief Counsel
Thomas R. Prbwitt, Assistant Counsel
Robert A. Collier, Assistant Counsel
SoLis HoawiTz, Assistant Counsel
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SPECIAL SENATE INVESTIGATION ON CHARGES AND
COUNTEECHARGES INVOLVING: SECRETARY OF THE
ARMY ROBERT T. STEVENS, JOHN G. ADAMS, H. STRUVE
HENSEL AND SENATOR JOE McCARTHY, ROY M. COHN,
AND FRANCIS P. CARR
MONDAY, MAY 17, 1954
United States Senate,
Special Subcommtttee on Investigations of the
CoMMiTi'EE on Government Operations,
Washington^ D. G,
(The hearing veas resumed at 3: 10 p. m., pursuant to recess.)
Present : Senator Karl E. Mundt, Republican, South Dakota, chair-
man; Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen, Republican, Illinois;
Senator Charles E. Potter, Republican, Michigan ; Senator Henry C.
Dworshak, Republican, Idaho; Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat,
Arkansas; Senator Henry M. Jackson, Democrat, Washington; and
Senator Stuart Symington, Democrat, INIissouri.
Also present: Ray H, Jenkins, chief counsel to the subcommittee;
Thomas R. Prewitt, assistant counsel ; and Ruth Y. Watt, chief clerk.
Principal participants: Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, a United
States Senator from the State of Wisconsin; Roy M. Cohn, chief
counsel to the subcommittee; Francis P. Carr, executive director of
the subcommittee; John G. Adams, counselor to the Army; Joseph N.
Welch, special counsel for the Army; James D. St. Clair, special
counsel for the Army; and Charles A. Haskins, assistant counselor,
Department of the Army.
Senator Mundt. The committee will please come to order.
The Chair would like to begin by welcoming the guests who have
come to our committee room, and to state that you are completely
welcome insofar as our quarters can accommodate your presence, and
to point out that the committee has heretofore passed an order which
the Chair has been asked to enforce, to the effect that there must be
no manifestations audibly of approval or disapproval at any time
or in any way from members of the audience, and that the uniformed
officers and the plainclothes men in the room have a prevailing order
from the Chair to politely escort from the room immediately any-
one who violates the conditions under which he entered the hearing
room, which were, of course, to comply with the committee order to
refrain completely from audible manifestations of approval or
We have had iho. executive session which was announced by the
Chair pursuant to the resolution to adjourn early this afternoon
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in order to give us time to have an executive session to discuss the prob-
lems growing out of the executive order dated May 17, which precluded
Mr. Adams from answering certain questions that certain members
of the committee would like to interrogate him about. Since this
afternoon's session is undoubtedly going to be devoted, at least in part,
to the making of motions and to a ventilation of the various opinions
which committee members and perhaps counsel, because we are meet-
ing on a common level, have about these motions, the Chair would
like respectfully to suggest the adoption of a 5-minute rule bj^ unan-
imous consent whereby, for one speaking period at least, no one
among us talk longer than 5 minutes on one point. I recognize that
would have to be done by unanimous consent, but I do think the mat-
ters before us are important, those who w^ant to be heard should be
heard, and if we can restrain ourselves by that device it should work
in the interest of orderly procedure.
Is there any objection to the Chair's enforcing a 5-minute rule on
that basis for this discussion ?
Senator McClellan. Mr. Chairman, a parliamentary inquiry.
Senator Mundt. You may state it.
Senator McClellan. Do you mean one 5-minute period or a circle
of 5-minute periods ?
Senator Mundt. I would say a circle. If they want to be heard
more than once, that is perfectly all right.
Senator McClellan. I just w^antecl to clarify it.
Senator Mundt. Is there any objection to that?
Senator Dirksen. No objection, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Mundt. Will the timekeeper kindly instruct us accord-
The Chair will recognize Senator Dirksen of Illinois.
Senator Dirksen. ]\Ir. Chairman, may I say first of all that I
intend to leave at 4 : 15 to catch a plane to attend some funeral serv-
ices out of town. Consonant with the discussion we had this noon,
I hereby make this motion which is not reduced to writing, INIr. Chair-
man, but I believe its context will be clear.
I move that as an accepted fact we take judicial notice of the Presi-
dential directive or letter which was read into the record this morning,
and in view of its impact upon one of the participants as a result of
the impossibility of such participant making full and complete proof
and presentation of his case because of the restriction upon witnesses
who may have knowledge of information that are relevant or material
to the countercharges and the answer that was made by Senator
McCarthy, I move you, Mr. Chairman, that this committee recess until
Monday morning next at 10 o'clock for the purpose of exploring that
matter to see where we are.
If there is a second to that motion
Senator Potter. I second it, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Mundt. The second is heard by the Chair. The second is
made by Senator Potter, of Michigan.
Senator Dirksen. Now, Mr, Chairman, I wish to discuss it very
briefly. In a well-turned Bostonese phrrse that we have had from
Mr. Welch, he has spoken on many occasions about traveling or plow-
ing the long, hard furrow. Mr. Chairman, that furrow could become
the solitary furrow of frustration if we put on witnesses day after
day and heard testhnony only to discover at the end of the trial that
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the interdiction upon the calling of certain witnesses that Senator
McCarthy would deem material to his cause still stood and the proof
in the case could not be completed. We would be in the unhappy
position of litigants in a lawsuit where proof finally on one side
could not be fully established. The result would be inconclusive in-
deed. So much of the work of the committee would not only prove
a frustration but frankly, Mr. Chairman, I do not see how this com-
mittee sitting as investigators and judge and jurors could finally
make a finding and make a report with the proof incomplete.
Under those circumstances and because of the effect of this letter
upon witnesses that cannot be called to testify, I earnestly admonish
the committee that the prudent and the reasonable thing to do at the
moment is to take enough time to explore the full impact of this
Executive order to determine whether or not there are any modifica-
tions or exceptions to it and to make that determination before we go
further down this road.
That is all, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Mundt. The Chair will recognize any other member of
the committee who wants to be heard, and, after that, members of
any of tlie entities involved in the dispute who might want to be
Senator Potter. Mr. Chairman ?
Senator Mundt. Senator Potter.
Senator Potter. Mr. Chairman, I seconded the motion made by
Senator Dirksen. I seconded the motion because it was understood
that there lias been no effort made by any member of the committee,
no desire expressed by any member of the committee, that this would
end the hearing. But we have reached an impasse where the Execu-
tive order has precluded one of the principals from participating as
fully as he deems necessary to present his case. The committee ruled
at the beginning that motive was an item which could be considered
by the various principals in the case. This principal believes that
motive could not be proven because of the Executive order.
It is not our position at this time to judge whether the Executive
order is correct or not. It is a fact that we have an Executive order
which prohibits the committee from having the information on the
conversation that took place in the office of the Attorney General. I
believe that all members of the committee expressed themselves that
this question must be resolved before we can continue on. If we
continue with the hearing and bring out other witnesses with this
hanging over our head, it will frustrate the hearings more than they
have been frustrated already, and we will end up still in a cloudy area
where it will be most difficult for the committee and for the public
to reach any conclusion based upon fact. Therefore, it is my hope
that as a result of this recess members of our committee, in con-
junction with responsible leaders in the executive branch of Govern-
ment, will be able to resolve parts of this controversy, and that the
hearing may continue so that the facts may be ascertained for the
benefit of the committee and the general public.
Therefore, I seconded the motion made by Senator Dirksen.
Senator Mundt. Senator Symington, you addressed the Chair. Do
you want to be heard ?
Senator Symington. Mr. Chairman, I have written a short state-
ment, hastily here. I think this proposed action to recess the hear-
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ings at this time is completely unfair. Secretary Stevens has been
subjected to an ordeal that has few parallels in our congressional
history. Army Counsel Adams has been questioned vigorously over
some days. To adopt this transparent device now to let the other
side avoid the necessity of taking the stand in public, and inform
the American people of the facts under oath, is a flagrant denial of
fairness and justice. For some days, leadership in the Senate and the
administration have been anxious to see these hearings recessed if
not terminated. They would already have been recessed or terminated
now if Secretary Stevens had not stood up to his responsibilities. If
you carry this proposed action to its logical conclusion, any legislative
investigation of this character could be stopped by Executive direc-
tive. I predict that if these hearings are recessed because of this
Presidential directive, and the directive is not withdrawn, they may
never start again and, therefore, I recommend we go ahead with other
Army witnesses besides Mr. Adams, who are here ready to take the
stand. It is my belief the American people will regard this latest
development as but the first step in a possible whitewash and therefore
I will have no part of it.
Senator Mundt. Any other members of the committee ?
Senator Jackson. Mr. Chairman, my own personal view is that
we could proceed to hear the balance of the witnesses that I understand
will be presented or can be presented by our counsel in connection
with the so-called Army side of this controversy. I frankly have
grave misgivings about the need for any recess at this time. But
in a spirit of fairness, and if it is possible for appropriate people
to get in touch with the White House, so that this order can be modi-
fied, I would be willing to make a substitute motion that the com-
mittee stand in recess until 10 o'clock this Wednesday morning. If
this Executive order is going to be modified, it will be modified by
that time. I do not believe we need a full week to take up this serious
question raised by the issuance of the Executive order as of today.
I would therefore like to move, as a substitute, that the committee
stand in recess until Wednesday morning at 10 a. m. I believe, while
this motion may be against my better judgment, I believe it is fair,
in the light of the serious questions raised by the proposed Executive
order, or by the Executive order.
Senator McClellan. Mr. Chairman?
Senator Mundt. Senator McClellan.
Senator McClellan. Mr. Chairman, this is not an easy decision
to make. I think it is very unfortunate that such an Executive order
has been issued. I think the issuance of this Executive order is a
serious mistake. If such an order was to be issued, I think it should
have been issued long ago and we could have known then that a
part of the truth possibly would never be available to this committee.
We could have determined then whether we would undertake these
hearings under those conditions. But there have been repeated state-
ments made from both sides and from all participants that they
wanted to get the whole truth. That has been my purpose. But if
this order prevails, if it is not modified or rescinded, I am convinced
now we cannot get the truth, the whole truth, because the witness who
is now on the stand is precluded from telling us whether the responsi-
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bility shifted from the Secretary of the Army after the conference
on January 21 or 22, or if it still remained there.
Mr. Chairman, I want to be fair, too. As far as I am concerned,
I disagree with the President's Executive directive at least to this
extent: My interpretation of it does not prohibit this witness from
telling when his responsibility ceased for his acts and when the re-
sponsibility of the Secretary of the Army for his acts ceased. Unless,
Mr. Chairman, we can determine that, then we .are precluded from
pursuing the truth in this controversy.
But in order to be fair, to give the administration the opportunity
to reconsider the action it has taken, I am willing to vote for the
Mr. Chairman, I remind you and my colleagues that Ave have heard
at this investigating table, day after day, that these proceedings
are holding up the work of this committee in a very responsible field
of investigating communism and subversion in government and,
Mr. Chairman, if we recess over until Monday we are delaying it
that much longer.
I do believe those responsible for this Executive order can recon-
sider and either confirm the action that has already been taken or
modify or rescind it within 48 hours from this time.
My belief is that if this order stands as it is now, it means these
hearings are terminated.
I must saj^, Mr. Chairman, in my opinion that is a pretty grave
responsibility for the administration to take, to stop these proceedings
Therefore, with the purpose of being fair and considerate and
giving an opportunity, as I believe, to correct an error, I shall vote for
the substitute motion, and therefore I second the motion, Mr. Chair-
Senator Mundt. Senator Dworshak, do you wish to be heard?
Senator Dw^orshak. Mr. Chairman, my remarks will be very brief.
I have tried to maintain an unbiased approach in these hearings
so that we might arrive at a just and equitable conclusion. I do not
think there is any justification for making the charge or implying that
any whitewash is involved or that any attempt is being made at this
time to prevent Senator McCarthy from taking the stand for as long
as the members of this committee or the counsel desire him to answer
I supported the proposal recently to expedite the hearings so they
may be terminated as quickly as possible when all the facts were
ascertained. That was an unsuccessful effort. I think now, with
this development involving the Executive order of the President, it
is extremely difficult for the members of this subcommittee to delve
into the various aspects of this controversy, because obviously a
hobble, shackles, would be placed upon some of the witnesses, making
it extremely difficult for the members of this subcommittee to know
what the motive is and what is actually back of this entire controversy.
I think at a time like this, when we reach an impasse, it is highly
desirable to have a brief recess to explore all of the possibilities of
renewing the hearings on a basis that will make it possible for the
subcommittee to reach an equitable conclusion. I do not think that
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this proposed recess in any way will serve to sabotaoje these hearinf>;s
or prevent Senator McCarthy from appearing or in any other way
to prejudice them so we cannot arrive at the kind of verdict that the
people of this country will approve.
On this basis, I think we must recess and resolve these extreme
difficulties which we encountered today.
Senator Mundt. The Chair would like to read the original instruc-
tions of charges and countercharges which he read the first morning,
which were worked out in collaboration with Senator McClellan and
our counsel. It was agreed I should read them as representing the
committee position so we can have the framework of this discussion
clearly before us.
I said then in behalf of Senator McClellan, Counsel Jenkins and
The purpose of investigating charges heretofore made by Secretary of the
Army Robert T. Stevens and his counsel, John G. Adams, and formalized in a
document dated April 13, 1954, and tiled with this subcommittee and in which a
gen(M-al charge is made that Senator Joseph R. McCarthy as chairman of the
Permanent Investigation Subcommittee, its chief counsel, Roy M. Cohn, as well
as other members of its staff sought by improper means to obtain preferential
treatment for one G. David Schine, United States Army.
and so forth.
I point out that the charges, as we thought at the time, were charges
heretofore made by Secretary of the Army Robert T. Stevens and
his counsel, John G. Adams.
The answer which Mr. Adams has been unable to give because of the
Presidential directive, to a question asked by Senator McClellan, pro-
eludes us from knowing wdiether or not those original charges were
based on the proper premise. I read further :
It is the further purpose of this subcommittee to investigate countercharges
by Senator McCarthy, Cohn, and other members of the staff against Mr. Stevens,
Mr. Adams, and Mr. Hensel. These countercharges were formalized in a
statement signed and filed with the subconunittee under date of April 10, 1954.
in which they generally alleged that Mr. Stevens, Mr. Adams, and Mr. Hensel
attempted to discredit what is generally referred to as the McCarthy Investi-
gating Committee and to force a discontinuation of further attempts by that
committee to expose Connnunist infiltration in the Army, and in which it is
further charged that Mr. Stevens and Mr. Adams made constant attempts
to tra<le off preferential treatment for Private Schine as an inducement to the
subcommittee to hold its exposition of the mishandling of Communist infiltration
in the military —
and point out that until we can get some kind of answer from Mr.
Adams as to what occurred at that luncheon, if there was a shifting
of responsibility, it may well be that the committee has been asking
the wrong questions of the wrong people for a long time in these
Because of that difficult situation, it seems to me that it is wise that
we take some time to consult with the Attorney General and with the
White House, to see whether or not there cannot be a modification, or an
interpretation, or an understanding of the Executive order, which
will ])ermit Mr. Adams and those associated with him at that meeting
to testify on the pertinent points so that we can be sure whether or
not we have been proceeding on proper and firm ground in the hear-
ings up to this time. So we proceed with the interrogation of Sena-
tor IMcCarthy and Mr. Cohn, we can be sure of the background in order
that the questions can be pertinent to the case. In the executive ses-
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sion, it was discussed that it would be well if the counsel for the
committee and the Chair approached the proper authorities in the
executive department to see whether there could be such a modification
or reinterpretation. I think that we want to continue these hearings
until we get all of the truth. As is well known, the Chair departed
from the accustomed company of his three Republican colleagues
one day, and voted in the unfamiliar company of three of his Democrat
associates, in order to provide that we could continue until all of the
facts were provided.
The Chair believes that a recess at this time may be conducive to a
rearrangement of situations so that we can continue to get out all
of the facts, and he is well aware of the validity of that portion of
the remarks made by Senator McClellan that we labor under a very
difficult handicap in our search for truth if we are unable to bring
out certain of the facts which Mr. Adams now feels he is unable to
provide because of the Executive order. Having said that, the Chair
would simply say if we are going to recess at all, he thinks we should
recess until Monday. The President is a very busy man. He has the
problems of Indochina on his hands. He has a great many confer-
ences. I think it is completely unreasonable to expect that we can go
down there without any advance notice, and by Wednesday morning,
in about 24 hours, reach a type of understanding, essential for the
jjroper continuation of these hearings. He believes that the White
House and the Attorney General would want time to read a consid-
erable amount of the transcript, the significance of the charges and
countercharges, to have the full background before them before they
wanted to reevaluate, if reevaluate they will, their determinations.
So, if it is in the interest of truth and fact to get out all the informa-
tion, as the Chair believes it is, it is certainly in the interest of those
basic goals to provide a time limit, to have a reasonable opportunity
to present the full impact of this Executive order upon those who
made it, and to get a reasoned and careful reply in return.
Senator Dirksen. I move we vote.
Senator Mundt. The Chair believes he should give an opportunity
now, as is the custom of doing, to Mr. Welch and Senator McCarthy
to make any statement they might care to or to voice any protest they
might care to voice, concerning the contemplated action of the com-
mittee. I will call on Mr. Welch first.
Mr. Welch. Mr. Chairman, as everyone knows, if I am anything,
I am just a trial lawyer who came to Washington hoping to try a
case. At this moment, I am neither blind nor deaf. No one sitting
in this chair could hope to summon words so persuasive or so golden
as to influence a single vote on this committee. I therefore confine
myself to the only thing where I have any choice, and that is whether
we have an adjournment for 48 hours or until next Monday. On
that, the Army stands indifferent. But this I wish to say: When
the adjournment ends, the Army will be ready.
Senator Mundt. Senator McCarthy ?
Senator McCarthy. Mr. Chairman, I think that the President
when he signed this order, is. No. 1, a reasonable man. No. 2, a fair
man. I doubt that with all the work that he has before him, that he
had any complete conception or picture of what he was doing. I think
"we should bring to his attention the fact that his order provides, in
effect, that where the machinery was set in motion to initiate the
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smear charges against Mr. Colin, Mr. Carr and myself, if his order
stands we will be forever precluded from finding out who was re-
sponsible, who was the initiating force. I think this is doubly im-
portant, Mr. Chairman, because of the testimony heretofore taken
to the effect that Mr. Brownell, the Attorney General, Mr. Rogers,
the Deputy Attorney General, were present at that time and that at
least some of the action taken by Mr. Adams was a result of sugges-
tions from Mr. Rogers. As the Chair knows, a suggestion from the
White House is the same as an order. I think we must know what
part either the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General took
in this. May I say at this time I am completely in the dark. I don't
know. I think it is extremely important, because each day we send
to the Attorney General a transcript of the record. I know that when
we get through with this testimony, the testimony of witnesses will be
I know that someone will have to have his case presented to a grand
jury for indictment for perjury. In other words, when my testimony
has ended, either McCarthy will be guilty of perjury, or some of the
other witnesses in this case will be. The Attorney General must pass
upon that. Therefore, I think we must know what party took in
this whole picture.
It is also important, Mr. Chairman, in view of the fact he has been
called upon almost daily to give an opinion as to what documents
can be admitted.
I would like to, if I may, say this, that if this were in a court of
law, Mr. Stevens and Mr. Adams having finished their testimony, if
this were in a court of law I would move for a directed verdict.
Before a committee, such a procedure is not possible.
As the Chair knows, No. 1, there were charges against Mr. Francis
Carr, my chief of staff, a young man who was head of the subversive
squad for the FBI until the night before he came to my committee.
It has now been established by the testimony of the two principals,
Mr. Adams and Mr. Stevens, that Mr. Carr is guilty of nothing except
remaining silent when McCarthy and Cohn were talking. I think
the committee is acquainted with both McCarthy and Mr. Cohn, and
I don't think it is a crime to be unable to get in a word while we are
That seems to be the only crime Mr. Carr is guilty of. It is a very
serious charge against this young man. I think we must find out
who initiated that, who was responsible for it. It was fraud upon
the committee. Whoever is responsible is guilty of contempt of this
May I just take a minute now to review the testimony in so far as
Mr. Cohn is concerned.
The testimony of Mr. Adams and Mr. Stevens up to this point is
that he used strong language. But the only act he was guilty of w^ere
two acts; No. 1, he made Mr. Adams take a cab to go to the depot,
let him out, in New York, let him out of the car and. No. 2, that he
was unable to induce me to call off the subpenas for the loyalty board.
Outside of that there has been no testimony of any improper act on
Mr. Cohn's part. I think it is a very serious charge here, to try
and rob this young man of his reputation, a young man who has a
tremendous record, as the committee all knows, a record of taking
an active part in the conviction of the Rosenbergs, the Communist
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espionaf^e agents, of the top Communists who were convicted, William
Remington, and presenting almost single-handedly the testimony to
the grand jury which resulted in the discharge of some thirty-odd,
I believe, from the United Nations, Communists.
For that reason, Mr. Chairman, I think it is of the utmost impor-
tance that this order be rescinded. Unless it is rescinded my hands
are completely tied. There is no way that I can go into the question
As the Chair knows, in conclusion may I say this, that as the
Chair well knows, I have taken the position time and again that this
hassel was called on, called into being by individuals who wanted to
discontinue the exposure of Communists in Government, and to avoid
the exposure of those responsible for the coddling of those Communists.
Whoever had that in mind was successful, because, as the Chair knows,
we haven't been doing anything for the past few weeks, except going
into this question of Schine's shoes.
But I think we have a situation much more important than that
now. I think the committee would want to know who was responsible
for the planning, the guiding, of that activity which resulted in a
vast waste of time on the part of this committee and the military.
So may I say I approve of the Chair or someone getting in touch
with the President, and I think that he is a reasonable man, to try
to induce him to rescind this order so we can proceed with our hear-
ings. Whether it is a matter of days or weeks I frankly don't care.
Senator Mundt. The Senator's time has expired.
Does any other member of the committee want to say anything
further before we vote ?
We have before us the two propositions, and the vote will occur
on the substitute proposition first. The Chairman Avould like to say
only this before the vote is taken: Since it seems that he has been
singled out by virtue of his office to make the contact, to try to find
out if we can develop a formula of procedure which will enable ns
to get the facts we want and the facts we need, despite the Executive
order, he pleads with his colleagues to give him at least a reasonable
amount of time so that there can be a reasonable chance for success,
because I think we all want these hearings to continue, and we want
to get out all the facts. To do that, I feel it would be utterly un-
reasonable to expect to have all of the various ramifications adequately
considered short, certainly, of several days. Twenty-four hours
would be woefully inadequate.
May the Chair say finally : Neither of these motions, the one to
recess for a day until 10 o'clock AVednesday, or the one to recess
until 10 o'clock Monday morning, even remotely implies a discon-
tinuation of the hearings. There is nothing in either of them which
says tliat the hearing is over. Both of them are directed to the ob-
jective of trying to find some modus operandi by which we can con-
tinue to get out all of the facts.
Senator Symington. Mr. Chairman?
Senator ]\Iundt. Senator Symington.
Senator Symington. Mr. Chairman, if I agreed with your premise
that the hearings could not go along with other Army witnesses prior
to a decision — which presumably could be expedited, if made at
all — then I would be very glad to extend the time in order to do what
apparently you wish to do, namely, take this matter up with the
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White House; but inasmuch as I do not agree with your premise that
the hearing can't go along properly until the decision is made, and
if it is to be made I agree it would be made soon — therefore I believe
the hearing should go on with other Army witnesses.
Senator Mundt. Does any other Senator want to be heard before
we vote? If not, the question occurs first on the substitute offered
by Senator Jackson, seconded by Senator McClellan, that we recess
until 10 o'clock Wednesday morning. Those in favor will respond
by answering "aye."
Senator McClellan ?
Senator McClellan. Aye.
Senator Mundt. Senator Dirksen ?
Senator Dirksen. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Jackson ?
Senator Jackson. Aye.
Senator Mundt. Senator Potter ?
Senator Potter. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Symington?
Senator Symington. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Dworshak?
Senator Dworshak. No.
Senator Mundt. The Chair votes "no."
The question now recurs on the motion made by Senator Dirksen
and seconded by Senator Potter, that we recess until 10 o'clock
Monday next. The Chair will call the roll.
Senator McClellan. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Dirksen ?
Senator Dirksen. Aye.
Senator Mundt. Senator Jackson ?
Senator Jackson. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Potter?
Senator Potter. Aye.
Senator Mundt. Senator Symington?
Senator Symington. No.
Senator Mundt. Senator Dworshak?
Senator Dworshak. Aye.
Senator Mundt. The Chair votes "aye."
We stand in recess until 10 o'clock Monday morning.
( Wliereupon, at 3 : 50 p. m., the hearing was recessed until 10 a. m.,
lSIonday,May 24, 1954.)
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Brownell, Attorney General 1284
Carr, Francis P 1284
Cohn, Roy M 1282, 1284
Communism and subversion in Government 1281
Communist espionage agents 1284, 1285
Communist infiltration in the Army 1282
Communists 1281, 1282, 1284, 1285
Communists (United Nations) 1285
Communists in Government 1285
Counselor to the Army 1278, 1280, 12S2
Deputy Attorney General 1284
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Executive order 1279, 1280-1283, 1285
FBI subversive squad 1284
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) 1284
Loyalty board 1284
McCarthy, Senator Joe 1278, 1279, 1281-1 2S4
McCarthy committee 1282
McCIellan, Senator 1282, 1283
New York City 1284
President of the United States 1283, 1285
President's Executive directive 1281
Remington, William 12s.')
Republican colleagues 1283
Rogers, Deputy Attorney General 3284
Schine, G. David 1282, 12.S5
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Senate of the United States 1280
Stevens, Robert T 1280-1282, 1284
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United Nations Communists 1285
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United States Attorney General 1279, 1282-1284
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United States President 1283
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