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THREE    LETTER? 


HUGH    Mc.NEILE,    D.D. 

(OF    LR'EEPOOL,) 


HIS    LETTEKS    IN    REPLY. 


BEING  A  CORRESPONENCE  PUBLISHED  IN 
THE  "  CAELIBLE  EXAMINER,"  OF  THE  2l8T  OF  12tH  MONTH,  (DECEMBER,) 
1858,  EELATn-E  TO  AN  IMPUTATION  AGAINST  THE  SOCIETY  OF  FRIENDS, 
CONTAINED  IN  THE  SUBJOINED  EXTRACT  FROM  A  SERMON  PREACHED  BY 
HUGH  MC.NEILE,  IN  CARLISLE,  AS  REPORTED  IN  THE  SAME  PAPER 
OF   THE  30tH   of    IItH    MONTH,    (NOVEMBER,)    1858. 


WITH    A    FEW    ADDITIONAL 


EXPLANATORY        OBSERVATIONS 
ON  THE  MEANING  OF  THE  PHRASE 

"  I  IsT  "^^  JL  12.  3D      LIGHT." 

C  a  r  I  i  s  h  : 
PBINTED  AND  ITLLISIIED  BY  HUDSON  SCOTT,  ENOLISH-ST. 

SOLD  HY  UENSON  Jt  MAU.ETT,  CASTLE  ST.,  LIVEKPOOU 

[8n.  PER  uo/.c:«. 


"  They  were  the  glorious  truths  they  wished  to  propagate. 
They  were  the  things  for  which  they  had  established  the  Pastoral 
Aid  Society.  The  people  had  far  outgrown  the  provision  for 
telling  this  glorious  truth.  The  clergy  was  not  numerous  enough 
for  the  population.  The  churches  that  were  sufficient  before  had' 
ceased  to  be  sufficient.  They  were  the  simple  truths  Christ 
brought  into  the  world.  They  presented  nothing  but  what  might 
be  proved  by  God's  holy  word.  They  added  nothmg  to  this. 
The  Scripture  was  their  entire  rule.  They  repudiated  all 
imaginary  rules  of  faith,  and  aU  manner  of  falsehood,  and  every 

*form  of  falsehood.  They  rejected  Mormonism,  with  its  book  of 
fables  ;  they  rejected  Quakerism,  with  its  supposed  inward  light ; 
thfy  rejected  Irvingism,  with  its  boasted  revelation  ;  they  rejected 
Romanism,  with  its  boasted  infallibility.  They  had  nothing  to 
do  with  any  of  these.  The  word  of  God  was  their  standard  and 
rule,  to  which  their  attention  was  called,  and  on  which  they 
rested  their  hopes  of  eternity.  Let  them  help  to  ciixulate  the 
Scriptures,  which  they  had  an  opportunity  themselves  to  hear. 
They  had  no  miracles  to  work  now.  They  must  have  men,  and 
to  have  men  they  must  have  money,  in  order  to  supply  funds  to 
do  this  glorious  work.  His  Lord  and  Master  said,  "  It  is  more 
blessed  to  give  than  to  receive."—  Hugh  Mc.Ncile's  Sermon, 

from,  the  Carlisle  Examiner,  Nov.  30,  1858. 


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CORRESPONDENCE. 


The  following  correspondence  was  originally  published  in  a 
local  paper  (the  Carlisle  Examiner)  iu  defence  of  the  Christian 
profession  of  the  Society  of  Friends,  which  had  been  strangely 
misrepresented  by  Dr.  Hngh  Mc.Neile  in  a  sermon  preached  by 
him  in  the  City  of  Carlisle.  Although  the  imputation  has  been 
denied,  and  he  has  failed  to  substantiate  it,  yet  this  high 
professor  has  not  deemed  it  to  be  his  duty  candidly  and  honorably 
to  withdraw  his  charge.  The  correspondence  is  now  reprinted 
at  the  request  of  several  individuals,  who  are  desirous  that  the 
general  reader  may  have  an  opportunity  of  judging,  not  only  of 
the  groundless  nature  of  Dr.  Mc.Neile's  charges,  but  also  Avhcther 
he  has  manifested  that  fair  and  charitable  spirit  which  ought  to 
adorn  a  Christian  mhiister. 


TO     THE     EDITOR     OF     THE     CARLISLE     EXAMINER. 

Respected  Friend,  —  The  sermon  of  Hugh 
Mc.Neile,  containing  an  imputation  against  the  Society 
of  Friends,  having  been  published  in  the  Examiner, — 
as  an  individual  member  I  felt  aggrieved  at  such  an 
uncalled  for  as  well  as  unfounded  accusation,  that  w^e 
pretended  to  any  inward  light,  superior  or  contrary  to 
that  Spirit  which  most  of  those  who  call  themselves 
Christians  profess  to  believe  in  and  to  reverence  ;  but, 
I   have  failed  to  elicit  from  hira  any  satisfactory  ex- 


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planation  or  proof  of  his  imputation.  In  justice  to 
the  religious  body  stigmatized,  may  I  ask  publicity  to 
the  following  correspondence  on  the  subject,  leaving 
the  public  to  form  their  own  opinion  whether  the 
doctor  has  made  out  any  case  against  them. 
I  remain  thy  friend  truly, 
12th  Mo.  20th,  1858.  hudson  scott. 


To  Hugh  Mc.Neile. 

Carlisle,  12th  Mo.  Srd,  1858. 

Respected  Friend, — I  observe  in  a  Carlisle  news- 
paper the  report  of  a  sermon  preached  by  thee  in  our 
city  on  the  28th  ultimo,  wherein  the  Religious  Society 
of  which  I  am  a  member,  was  denounced  as  heterodox, 
classing  us  with  Mormonites,  and  deriding  their 
*'  inward  light."  I  have  written  to  my  friend  B.  A. 
Marshall  this  morning,  asking  his  explanation  of  thy 
statement,  and  I  here  subjoin  a  quotation  from  his 
reply. 

"  At  a  meeting  of  our  Visiting  Society  this 
morning,  the  subject  was  mentioned  with  an  un- 
qualified expression  of  regret,  that  our  excellent  friend 
Hugh  Mc.Neile  was  so  far  led  away  as  to  drop  the 
unguarded  and  unexplained  phrase  about  Quakers  and 
their  inward  light." 

Now,  as  we  do  not  profess,  nor  ever  did  profess, 
to  be  guided  by  any  other  light  than  the  light  of  our 
Lord  and  Saviour  Jesus  Christ,  inwardly  revealed, 
which  light,  the  apostle  John  affirms,  in  the  1st 
chapter  of  his  gospel,  9th  verse,  "  Lighteth  every  man 
that  cometh  into  the  world,"  I  am  at  a  loss  to  under- 


stand  why  our  profession  of  an  inward  light,  common 
to  all,  should  he  thus  publicly  stigmatized  and  derided. 

Being  a  citizen  of  many  years'  residence  here  as 
a  bookseller,  I  have  had  several  inquiries  about  our 
faith  in  "  inward  light,"  in  consequence  of  thy  sermon  ; 
but  I  am  unwilling  to  believe  that,  as  a  Christian 
minister  of  high  religious  profession,  thou  wouldst 
intentionally  libel  any  religious  body,  knowing  it 
cannot  be  consistent  with  that  charity,  without  which 
we  have  no  mean  authority  for  affirming,  even  should 
any  one  speak  with  the  tongue  of  angels,  he  is  become 
but  as  sounding  brass  and  a  tinkling  cymbal.  There- 
fore, as  a  member  of  a  body  stigmatized  from  the 
pulpit  and  press  of  our  city  as  one  holding  a  dangerous 
error,  may  I  respectfully  ask  to  be  informed  what  thy 
views  are  of  our  erroneous  profession  in  this  respect  ? 

The  Scripture  says,  Ephesians  5  chap.  13 — "  But 
all  things  that  are  reproved,  are  made  manifest  by  the 
light,  for  whatsoever  doth  make  manifest  is  light." 
Our  Saviour  calls  himself  the  light  of  the  world.  And 
his  apostle  says,  Romans  8th  chap.  v.  9 — "  But  ye 
are  not  in  the  flesh,  but  in  the  spirit,  if  so  be  that  the 
Spirit  of  God  dwell  in  you."  "  Know  ye  not  your 
own  selves,  how  that  Jesus  Christ  is  in  you  except  ye 
be  reprobates" — 2nd  Cor.  13th  Chap.  5. 

From  the  tenor  of  thy  reported  sermons  it  would 
appear  to  be  inculcated  by  thy  teaching  that  the  Scrip- 
tural record  was  the  only  light. 

Surely  the  Holy  Scriptures  are  not  the  light,  but 
an  emanation  from  the  light.  "  That  was  the  true  light 
which  lighteth  every  man  that  cometh  into  the  world." 


Trusting  to  thy  Christian  candour  to  be  informed 
if  the  phrase,  as  reported  in  the  sermon,  was  intended 
to  be  an  impeachment  of  my  religious  profession,  or 
can  be  explained  in  any  different  sense, 

I  remain  thy  friend  truly, 

HUDSON  SCOTT. 


From  Dr.  Mc.Neile  to  H.  Scott. 

Liverpool,  6th  Dec.  1858. 

Sir, — I  have  received  your  letter.  You  believe, 
in  common  with  your  society,  that  there  is,  as  you  say, 
a  true  light  in  every  man,  which  is  one  part  of  his 
religious  guide  in  this  world.  You  do  not  think  that 
Holy  Scripture  is  man's  only  religious  guide.  I  gather 
this  from  your  letter.  You  are  at  full  liberty  to  think 
so  and  to  say  so,  and  I  ought  not  to  be  affronted  by 
your  saying  so,  though  I  may  think  you  wrong,  and 
in  the  exercise  of  Christian  love  be  very  sorry  for  you. 

I  think  that  every  man  is  a  fallen  creature,  his 
reason  fallen,  his  conscience  fallen,  all  fallen,  and  that 
he  has  no  religious  guide  in  this  world  except  God's 
written  revelation  in  His  dear  Son.  This  is  the 
meaning  of  what  I  said  in  my  sermon  in  St.  Cuthbert's 
Church  in  Carlisle. 

I  am,  I  presume,  at  full  liberty  to  think  so,  and  to 
say  so  ;  and  you  ought  not  to  be  affronted  by  my 
saying  so,  though  you  may  think  me  wrong,  and  in  the 
exercise  of  Christian  love  be  very  sorry  for  me. 

But,  dear  sir,  you  do  not  write  as  if  you  were 
sorry  because  I  am  wrong,  but  as  if  you  were  irritated 
because  I  dared  to  say  Quakerism  was  wrong. 


Believe  me,  that  I  am  sorry,  sincerely  sorry,  that 
any  of  my  immortal  fellow  creatures  should  be  so 
misled,  or  should  so  misinterpret  Scripture,  as  to 
believe  that  there  is  in  every  man  a  light  suited  to  be 
any  part  of  his  religious  guidance.  Look  at  the  Bengal 
Sepoy  mutilating  his  fellow  creatures.  Look  at  Saul 
of  Tarsus  aiding  at  the  brutal  assassination  of  Stephen, 
Look  at  the  Inquisitors  of  Rome  torturing  their  victims 
by  racks,  and  screws,  and  pulleys.  Nay,  look  in  our 
OTvn  land  and  see  the  sleek  dealer  thriving  on  the  gains 
of  dishonesty. 

The  light  that  is  in  such  men  is  darkness.  Christ 
is  the  true  light  indeed,  and  no  man  in  the  world  has 
true  light  except  from  Christ.  But  Christ  himself  says, 
concerning  those  who  hear  of  Him — and  there  are  mil- 
lions who  have  never  heard  of  Him — "  men  loved 
darkness  rather  than  light,  because  their  deeds  are  evil." 

I  trust,  dear  sir,  that  the  true  light  hath  shined 
in  your  heart,  and  that,  although  you  are  still  nominally 
a  Quaker,  you  are  not  personally  in  the  error  of 
Quakerism. 

Be  so  kind  as  to  shew  this  letter  to  Mr.  Marshall 
and  his  visiting  society. 

I  am  your's  faithfully,  for  Christ's  sake, 

HUGH    MC.NEILE. 


From   H.  Scott  to  Dr.  Mc.Neile. 

Carlisle,  12th  Mo.  Sih,  1858. 

Respected  Friend, — I  am  duly  in  receipt  of  tliy 

reply  to  my  letter,  and  feel  obliged  by  thy  attention 

and  candour,  as  it  will  enable  mc  to  vindicate  the  faith 

of  the  Religious  Society  with  which  I  am  in  profession. 


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Thy  letter,  however,  does  not  give  the  grounds  of 
thy  charge  against  the  Friends,  as  professing  an 
"  inward  lio-ht"  of  their  own  different  from  what  is 
described  hy  the  apostle  John,  freely  given  to  all,  as 
"  the  manifestation  of  the  Spirit  given  to  every  man  to 
profit  withal." — 1  Cor.  xii.  7. 

I  felt  no  affront  individually,  except  that  I  do  not 
think  it  right  that  any  public  teacher  should  misrepre- 
sent any  other  religious  body  in  his  sermons.  We  also 
believe  in  the  utterly  corrupt  and  fallen  nature  of  man, 
and  that  he  has  lost  the  original  image  of  his  Creator 
by  his  disobedience.  But  we  also  believe  in  the 
*'  grace  which  brings  salvation,  and  which  has  ap- 
peared unto  all  men,  teaching  us  to  deny  ungodliness 
and  worldly  lusts,  and  to  live  soberly,  righteously,  and 
godly."  Surely,  if  any  man  says  the  Holy  Scriptures 
are  the  only  guide  to  man,  and  that  he  has  no  religious 
guide  in  this  world  except  God's  written  record  called 
the  Bible,  it  is  in  effect  to  deny  altogether  that  grace 
and  Holy  Spirit  of  the  Father  of  all,  which  our  Lord 
expressly  said  after  his  ascension  he  would  send  forth 
to  his  disciples,  in  a  larger  manifestation,  as  their 
comforter  and  guide — as  he  expressed  "  to  teach  them 
all  things,"  or  all  spiritual  truth. 

We  admit  the  Holy  Scriptures  as  a  test  or  standard 
of  appeal,  and  whatsoever  is  contrary  thereto  a  delu- 
sion ;  and  we  estimate  them,  in  the  language  of  the 
apostle,  "  as  profitable  for  doctrine,  for  reproof,  for 
correction,  for  instruction  in  righteousness  ;"  but  to 
assert  them  to  be  our  only  guide,  and  that  man  has  no 
religious  guide  except  the  written  record,  is  such  an 


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assertion  that  I  am  utterly  astonished  any  religious 
teacher  of  the  present  day  has  the  boldness  to  make  it. 
I  am  truly  sorry  to  find  any  one  in  thy  position 
teaching  such  a  doctrine  ;  and  if  I  could  have  believed 
it  before  receiving  thy  own  avowal,  I  should  have  ex- 
pressed such  sorrow  in  my  first  letter,  as  I  believe 
such  a  doctrine  is  entertained  by  only  a  small  section 
of  the  Episcopalian  Church. 

I  am  told  to  look  at  three  or  four  characters  for 
the  proof  that  man  has  no  inward  light  or  guide — the 
cruel  Bengal  Sepoy  mutilating  his  fellow  creatures — 
Saul  of  Tarsus  aiding  in  the  assassination  of  Stephen — 
the  Inquisitors  of  Rome  torturing  their  victims — and 
lastly,  the  sleek  dealer  thriving  on  the  gains  of  dis- 
honesty. 

Now,  my  reply  to  this  is  certainly  an  admission 
that  such  illustrations  are  particular  indications  of 
darkness  ;  but  in  the  case  of  Saul  perhaps  striving 
against  the  light — "  kicking  against  the  pricks."  But 
so  far  from  proving  these  men  had  no  light  originally 
bestowed  upon  them,  and  that  they  have  not  unfre- 
quently  exercised  an  inward  light  in  a  variety  of  ways, 
it  offers  no  proof  whatever,  but  a  proof  only  of  those 
particular  acts  of  darkness,  thus  verifying  the  words  of 
our  Saviour,  "  If  the  light  which  is  in  thee  be  darkness, 
how  great  is  that  darkness."  But  this  very  text  which 
thou  refers  me  to  proves  light  has  been  given  in  some 
degree  to  these  men,  by  saying  "Men  love  darkness 
rather  than  light,  because  their  deeds  were  evil." 

And  docs  not  the  great  apostle  referred  to  say  of 
himself,  when  referring  to  his  conversion  to  the  superior 


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light  of  Christianity,  "  When  it  pleased  God  to  reveal 
his  Son  in  me,  immediately  I  conferred  not  with  flesh 
and  blood,"  but  thenceforth  he  believed  in  his  revealed 
Saviour — the  glorious  inward  light  of  the  gospel,  and 
followed  that  light  hereafter — the  only  guide  of  a 
written  revelation  being  nowise  mentioned. 

But  I  am  afraid  it  will  be  in  vain  for  me  to  con- 
tend for  our  faith  with  one  who  reasons  thus.  For  if 
I  were  to  refer  thee  to  facts  better  authenticated  than 
the  Sepoy  mutilations  (which  are  said  to  rest  on 
doubtful  authority),  proving  the  powerful  influence  of 
Divine  grace,  converting  men  as  fierce  as  Sepoys,  and 
who  could  not  read  the  written  record ;  and  also 
learned  men  who  disclaimed  their  learning ;  and  not 
only  sleek  dealers,  but  clergymen,  who  renounced  the 
gains  of  dishonesty  in  taking  upon  themselves  an  office 
they  were  never  rightfully  called  to,  being  converted 
from  their  evil  ways  and  following  the  light  of  their 
Saviour  inwardly  revealed — I  am  afraid  such  would 
net  convince  thy  mind,  if  the  plain,  positive  declara- 
tions of  the  very  written  gospel  itself  does  not  sufHce. 
The  soldier,  the  dealer,  and  the  clergyman,  in  this  our 
land — especially  the  latter,  are  all  supplied,  or  nearly 
so,  with  what  thou  considers  our  only  guide ;  and  if 
man  be  entirely  dependent  on  this  illumination,  there 
are  no  more  liberal  promoters  of  the  circulation  of  the 
Scriptures  than  the  Society  of  Friends.  But  I  will 
merely,  lastly,  refer  thee  to  one  other  appropriate 
quotation  therefrom,  where  the  inward  light  of  the 
word  of  faith  is  described  as  being  in  the  hearts  of  all 
men,  and  leave  it  for  thy  consideration,  hoping  thou 


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■wilt  not  deny  it,  but  preach  it  as  the  true  and  saving 
word  of  the  everlasting  gospel,  "  But  the  righteousness 
which  is  of  faith  speaketh  on  this  wise.  Say  not  in  thine 
heart  Who  shall  ascend  into  heaven  ?  (that  is,  to  bring 
Christ  down /rom  above.)  Or,  who  shall  descend  into 
the  deep  ?  (that  is,  to  bring  up  Christ  again  from  the 
dead.)  But  what  saith  it?  The  word  is  nigh  thee,  even 
in  thy  mouth  and  in  thy  heart — that  is,  the  word  of 
faith,    which    we    preach." — Romans  x.  8. 

I  remain,  thy  friend,  truly  and  sincerely, 

HUDSON  SCOTT. 

P.S. — I  will  shew  B.  A.  Marsball  and  his  visiting  society 
thy  letter,  and  I  presume,  in  order  to  inform  the  minds  of 
others  who  may  have  heard  or  read  thy  sei-mons,  thou  wilt  not 
object  for  me  "to  give  this  correspondence  equal  publicity,  if 
thought  desirable.  h.  s. 


From  Dr.   Mc.Neile  to  H.  Scott. 

Liverpool,  10th  December,  1858. 

Sir, — You  are  at  liberty  to  make  any  use  you 
please  of  our  correspondence. 

I  believe  as  finnly  as  it  is  possible  for  me  to 
believe  anything,  in  the  convicting,  humbling,  en- 
lightening, sanctifying,  and  saving  influences  of  God 
the  Holy  Spirit  on  the  heart  of  man.  Indeed,  I  am 
persuaded  that  without  them  no  man  can  trust,  love, 
and  serve  truly  our  Lord  and  Saviour  Jesus  Christ. 

But  all  this  is  under  regulation  and  restriction  by 
the  written  word.  When  our  Saviour  promised  the 
Holy  Spirit  He  said  concerning  Him,  "  He  shall  not 
speak  of  Himself."  "  He  shall  take  of  mine  and  shall 
shew  them  unto  yon." — John  xvi.  12 — 15. 


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Mark  !  He  shall  not  speak  of  Himself.  He  shall 
give  no  new  revelations  in  addition  to  the  things  of 
Christ,  He  shall  take  of  mine,  said  the  Saviour,  and 
shall  shew  it  unto  you.  "  The  sword  of  the  Spirit  is 
the  word  of  God.''  Thus  wild  fanaticism,  under  the 
plea  of  inspiration  by  the  Spirit,  is  excluded.  A 
supposed  inspiration  of  the  Spirit,  not  in  accordance 
with  the  written  word,  is  a  delusion.  Thus,  when  a 
woman  gives  religious  instruction  or  exhortation  in  an 
assembly  containing  men,  and  so  usurps  authority  over 
men  ;  and  when  she  pleads  that  she  is  moved  thereto 
by  the  Spirit,  we  do  not  believe  her,  because  an 
apostle,  who  was  indeed  moved  by  the  Spirit,  said,  "  I 
suffer  not  a  woman  to  teach,  nor  to  usurp  authority 
over  the  man,  but  to  be  in  silence." — 1st  Tim.  ii.  12. 
It  is  not  to  the  light  of  the  Holy  Spirit  in  man's 
heart  that  I  object,  or  did  object  in  my  sermon,  but  to 
a  supposed  light  giving  instruction  or  guidance,  op- 
posed to,  or  in  addition  to,  the  written  word.  I  pray 
you  to  mark,  and  prayerfully  to  consider,  "  He  shall 
NOT  SPEAK  OF  HiMSELF." — Yours  faithfully, 

hugh  mc.neile. 
Mr.  Hudson  Scott. 


From  H.   Scott  to  Dr.  Mc.Neile. 

Carlisle,  12th  Mo.  ISth,  1858. 
Respected  Friend, — I  am  again  in  due  receipt 
of  thy  letter,  but  regret  it  does  not  reply  to  my 
question,  and  the  design  I  had  in  writing — to  ascertain 
from  thyself  on  what  ground  thou  made  thy  public 
imputation  that   we   held   such    a    doctrine    as    thou 


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imputed  to  us — of  an  "inward  light"  different  from 
the  light  of  our  Lord  Jesus  Christ.  This,  I  regret  to 
say,  thou  hast  not  done,  but  again  assumes  it  without 
any  proof  whatever,  and,  indeed,  in  direct  opposition 
to  my  statement  of  our  belief.  Is  this  worthy  of  a 
learned  doctor  in  divinity  ?  Where  is  thy  proof  ? 
The  published  profession  of  the  faith  of  the  Society  of 
Friends  may  be  had  almost  anywhere.  Robert  Bar- 
clay's work,  called  "  An  Apology  for  their  Faith,"  can 
be  obtained  by  any  bookseller  ;  or,  I  am  sure,  if  thou 
apply  to  the  Friends'  library  in  Liverpool,  they  will  be 
glad  to  place  any  of  the  books  at  thy  service.  Why 
not  fairly  and  honourably  reply  to  my  letter  1  An 
imputation  publicly  made  should  be  substantiated. 
No  man  has  a  right  to  assume  an  imputation  without 
proof,  when  that  imputation  is  denied.  And  thy 
imputation,  that  we  profess  to  be  guided  by  any  other 
light  than  the  light  of  Christ,  as  a  member  of  the 
Society  of  Friends,  I  again  deny,  as  untrue  ;  and, 
until  proved,  consider  it  calumnious.  The  published 
and  authenticated  expositions  of  our  faith  are  in  direct 
opposition  to  what  thou  hast  publicly  imputed  to  us ; 
and  it  certainly  is  a  matter  of  regret  that  any  clergy- 
man, occupying  thy  position,  should  be  so  insensible 
to  his  duty,  as,  when  called  upon  to  explain,  to  write 
me  such  evasive  letters. 

In  thy  first  letter  thou  denies  the  very  light  or 
spirit  which  I  contended  for,  and  sets  up  the  Scriptures 
as  man's  only  guide  ;  and  in  thy  last  thou  thoroughly 
believes  therein,  but  only  "  in  regulation  and  re- 
striction" to  what  thou  calls  the  "  written  word"— thus 


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placing  man's  interpretation  above  that  spirit  which 
must  reveal  the  truth  to  his  spiritual  understanding. 
The  apostle  saith,  "  the  things  of  God  knoweth  no 
man  but  the  spirit  of  God." — 1  Cor.  ii.  11.  What  am 
I  to  understand  by  thy  quoting  and  scoring  the  text  in 
reference  to  the  teaching  of  the  Holy  Spirit?  "/fe 
shall  not  speak  of  himself  V  I  must  own  that  I  do  not 
comprehend  thy  meaning.  The  whole  text  appears  to 
explain  itself  thus — "  But  when  He,  the  Spirit  of 
Truth,  is  come,  he  will  guide  you  into  all  truth ;  for 
he  shall  not  speak  of  himself,  but  whatsoever  he  shall 
hear,  that  shall  he  speak,  and  he  will  show  you  things 
to  come" — thus  completely  controverting  thy  statement 
of  "  regulation  and  restriction." 

Again,  why  is  the  Word  of  God  scored  as  the 
sword  of  the  spirit  ?  Thou  surely  dost  not  mean  to 
affirm  that  the  Holy  Scriptures  are  the  sword  of  the 
spirit.  I  cannot  find  in  any  part  of  the  sacred  volume 
this  term  applied  to  them.  But  the  living  Eternal 
Word  is  described  to  have  been  from  the  beginning, 
by  whom  ail  things  were  created  in  heaven  and  in  the 
earth — who  was  before  all  things,  and  by  whom  all 
things  consist.  "And  this  word  was  made  flesh,  and 
dwelt  among  us,  and  we  beheld  his  glory,  the  glory  as 
of  the  only  begotten  of  the  Father,  full  of  grace  and 
truth."  This  eternal  word  is  also  described  "as  quick 
and  powerful,  sharp,  and  sharper  than  any  two-edged 
sword,  piercing  even  to  the  dividing  asunder  of  soul 
and  spirit,  and  of  the  joints  and  marrow,  and  is  a  dis- 
cerner  of  the  thoughts  and  intents  of  the  heart.  Neither 
is  there  any  creature  that  is  not  manifest  in  his  sight." 


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Now,  if  our  Lord  himself  be  emphatically  described  as 
the  Word  of  God,  it  appears  to  my  mind  a  confusion 
of  terms,  beside  being  unscriptural,  to  use  the  term 
written  word,  and  we  therefore  do  not  accept  such  a 
phrase.  We  read  of  the  word  of  God  coming  with 
special  message  to  the  inspired  writers,  but,  as^a  term, 
it  is  no  where  applied  to  the  Scriptures  themselves. 
And,  I  therefore  submit,  I  have  much  more  reason  to 
impute  to  thee  misapplication  of  Scripture,  in  this 
respect,  than  anything  thou  hast  yet  made  out  against 
the  Friends. 

Our  Saviour  says — "  The  kingdom  of  God  cometh 
not  with  observation.  Neither  shall  they  say,  Lo, 
here!  or  lo,  there!  for  behold  the  kingdom  of  God  is 
within  you."  (Luke  xvii.  20.)  And  the  seed  of  the 
spiritual  kingdom  is  especially  styled  in  the  parable  of 
the  Sower  (Luke  viii.  11,)  as  the  word  of  God  sown 
in  the  heart,  as  the  universal  gift  of  God  for  every  man 
to  cultivate  ;  and  in  proportion  to  its  cultivation  will 
he  bring  forth  fruit, — some  an  hundred-fold. 

As  to  thy  statement  of  our  heterodox  practice  in 
allowing  the  teaching  of  women,  and  such  not  being  in 
accordance  with  the  Scriptures — is  it  not  prophetically 
written  by  the  Prophet  Joel,  and  referred  to  by  the 
Apostle  Peter  as  fulfilled  (Acts  ii.  17),  "And  it  shall 
come  to  pass  in  the  last  days,  saith  God,  I  will  pour 
out  of  my  spirit  upon  all  flesh,  and  your  sons  and  your 
daiKjhlers  shall  prophecy."  We  do  not  read  the 
Apostle  Paul's  Epistle  to  Timothy  through  any  such  pri- 
vate interpretation,  nor  wrest  the  text  from  its  obvious 
meaning  to  prevent  a  sister  from  proclaiming  the  ever- 


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lasting  gospel ;  nor  do  we  follow  the  Church  of  Rome 
in  this  respect  like  your  Episcopal  Church.  But  we 
make  apostolic  writings  harmonise  with  one  another. 
For  if  the  apostle  was  forbidding  women  to  teach  re- 
ligious truth  when  he  wrote  the  injunction  against  their 
teaching  and  usurping  authority  over  man,  he  surely 
could  have  no  reference  to  the  ministry  of  the  gospel, 
but  only  to  that  which  he  denounced.  Or  why  should 
he  give  directions  how  women  should  be  adorned  when 
thus  exercised — "Every  woman  that  prayeth  or  pro- 
phesieth  with  her  head  uncovered,  dishonoreth  her 
head."  (1  Cor.  xi.  5.)  And  he  also  speaks  of  several 
women  who  laboured  with  him  in  the  gospel  as 
fellow-labourers.  We  read  also  of  Phillip  having /our 
daughters,  virgins,  who  prophesied.  And  lastly  we 
find  him  saying — "There  is  neither  male  nor  female 
— for  ye  are  all  one  in  Christ  Jesus."  We  read  the 
remarkable  record  of  women  being  honored  with  the 
first  gospel  message  to  the  disciples  of  the  resurrection 
of  our  Lord  from  the  dead.  "  Go  to  my  brethren,  and 
say  unto  them — I  ascend  unto  my  Father,  and  your  , 
Father;  and  to  my  God,  and  your  God." 

T  am  surprised  that  such  a  professed  ^opponent  of 
the  Roman  Catholic  Church  should  be  so  slow  to  see 
into  this  error.  Why,  look  also  at  the  position  of 
women  under  the  Jewish  dispensation — at  Deborah  as 
a  judge  and  a  prophetess — at  Anna,  who  foretold  the 
mission  of  the  heavenly  babe  when  presented  by  his 
reputed  parents  in  the  temple  according  to  the  Jewish 
law.  But  I  need  not  dilate  upon  the  often-refuted 
assumption  of  women  being  forbidden  to  preach,  as 


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the  texts  always  brought  forward  have  no  reference 
whatever  to  the  preaching  of  the  gospel,  but  only  to 
their  subordination  to  man. 

As  a  member  of  a  body  of  professing  Christians 
which  has  recognised  the  ministry  of  women  from  its 
first  establishment  as  a  section  of  the  Church,  I  rejoice 
to  bear  my  testimony  to  the  belief  that,  in  every  grace 
and  gift  they  are  no  wise  inferior  to  man.  And,  as 
they  had  so  large  a  share  of  their  Saviour's  love,  when 
Mary  sat  at  his  feet  and  heard  his  holy  word,  so  I 
have  full  faith  to  believe,  that  as  they  are  recorded  as 
being  honored  with  the  first  gospel  message  of  the 
resurrection  of  the  dead,  they  will  again,  in  due  time, 
be  equally  recognised  as  gospel  ministers  in  the  Church, 
.  when  she  shall  be  set  free  from  the  restraints  of  worldly 
power,  and  the  shackles  of  priestcraft  shall  be  finally 
broken. 

I  could  mention  many  honored  names  in  our 
Society,  beside  the  gifted  Elizabeth  Fry,  whose  gospel 
labours  were  so  remarkably  owned,  not  only  in  the 
prison,  but  in  the  palace  also.  But  I  will  only  refer 
thee  to  perhaps  as  remarkable  a  record  as  almost  any  of 
her  labours-^to  the  wonderful  story  recorded  in  a  book, 
recently  published,  "  English  Hearts  and  English 
Hands" — of  the  gospel  teachings  of  a  lady  connected 
with  thy  own  Church,  and  among  the  most  illiterate 
and  neglected  class  of  our  fellow-countrymen,  not  only 
displaying  the  ministry  of  women  in  a  remarkable 
manner  for  their  spiritual  welfare  and  conversion, 
but  proving  also  that  there  is  a  "manifestation  of  the 
Spirit  (or  light  of  Christ)  given  to  every  man  to  profit 


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withal."  If  thou  hast  not  seen  it,  may  I  recommend 
the  record  for  thy  perusal — and  then  shew  me,  if  thou 
canst,  in  the  present  day,  any  of  thy  brethren  who  can 
point  to  more  living  proofs  of  their  ministry. 

But  I  did  not  commence  this  correspondence  for 
a  doctrinal  discussion,  but  for  a  defence  of  my  profession 
against  an  unfounded  and  unprovoked  attack  thereon 
in  thy  visit  to  Carlisle,  and  I  have  no  desire  for  religious 
controversy.  I  had  much  rather  all  Christian  brethren 
were  more  anxious  to  find  out  where  they  agree  than 
where  they  differ — and  that  all  should  unite  in  their 
efforts  to  spread  the  knowledge  of  the  truth  as  it  is  in 
Jesus  Christ,  their  Lord,  so  far  as  they  can,  consistently, 
and  not  stigmatise  and  devour  one  another. 

Thy  friend,  truly, 

Hudson  Scott. 


In  connection  with  the  foregoing  letters,  it  appears 
somewhat  singular,  that  Dr.  Mc.Neile  should  presume 
to  insinuate  that  the  Society  of  Friends  undervalue  the 
Holy  Scriptures  ;  this  can  only  arise  either  from  great 
ignorance  or  misrepresentation,  seeing  /hat  all  their 
distinguishing  peculiarities  are  adopted  because  they 
believe  them  to  be  not  only  in  accordance  with,  but 
absolutely  enjoined  by  the  divine  precepts  contained 
therein,  even  to  their  plain  Scriptural  language,  and 
the  disuse  of  complimentary  and  flattering  titles. 
Also,  for  that  decided  and  unequivocal  language  in 
which  they  believe  all  oaths  and  all  warfare,  and  the 
spirit  of  vengeance  and  retaliation,  is  forbidden  by 
our  blessed  Lord  in  his  sermon  on  the  mount. 


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The  reader  of  these  letters  will  perceive  that  what 
is  termed  "  inward  light"  is  not  in  any  way  con- 
sidered by  the  Society  of  Friends  as  belonging  to 
man  by  nature,  or  that  it  is  merely  his  natural  reason 
or  intellect,  but  is  the  good  seed  of  the  spiritual  kingdom 
sown  in  every  heart.  Yet,  as  it  is  of  a  spiritual  nature, 
so  it  is  called  the  holy  and  enlightening  spiritual  gift,  or 
the  grace  of  God.  As  beautifully  illustrated  in  the  par- 
able of  the  Sower,  it  depends  materially  on  tbe  character 
of  the  ground  into  which  it  is  sown — even  the  garden  of 
the  human  heart — whether  it  will  bring  forth  fruit  unto 
perfection.  It  is  also  compared  to  "  a  grain  of  mustard 
seed,"  to  "  a  little  leaven,"  and  to  "the  pearl  of  great 
price."  But  it  is  called,  likewise,  a  grain  of  Faith, 
which,  though  it  may  be,  like  the  mustard  seed,  the  least 
of  all  seeds,  yet,  if  suffered  to  grow,  it  will  in  due  time 
become  the  greatest  of  plants. 

In  the  world  of  nature  whatever  a  man  undertakes 
it  is  necessary  that  he  has  the  faith  or  belief  that  he  can 
perform  it — that  he  has  the  ability  to  do  it — so  in  the 
spiritual  world,  described  as  the  "  kingdom  of  God," 
the  root  of  the  matter  is  also  described  as  the  living, 
active  principle  of  Faith,  where  the  King  of  kings  in 
his  kingdom  is  not  only  owned  and  believed  in  but 
obeyed  as  a  king ;  and  that,  if  we  had  this  real  and 
living  faith  in  the  great  Supreme,  nothing  would 
be  impossible.  But  it  requires  this  faith  even  to 
perceive  the  glorious  things  of  the  Divine  law.  There- 
fore, this  very  faith  may  not  inaptly  be  termed  an 
inward  light.  And  it  is  only  in  illustration  of  this 
enlightening   gift   of  God   inwardly  revealed,  that  the 


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Society  of  Friends  ever  used  the  term,  "  inward  light," 
and  this  without  any  or  the  least  depreciation  of  the 
written  record  of  the  glorious  gospel  truths  contained 
in  Holy  Scripture. 

It  must  be  admitted  that,  in  the  present  day, 
there  is  still  as  strong  a  disposition  in  the  human 
mind,  as  there  was  at  the  time  when  our  Lord 
appeared  in  the  flesh,  to  look  outward,  and  also 
to  run  after  and  depend  too  much  upon  the  teachings 
of  man.  Therefore,  the  Society  of  Friends  desire 
more  particularly  to  refer  all  men  to  their  Lord  and 
Saviour,  who,  at  the  time  of  his  glorious  ascension 
said — "  Lo,  I  am  with  you  always,  even  unto  the  end 
of  the  world." — Matt,  xxviii.  20.  And,  equally  this 
promise  is  to  the  few  as  to  the  many  : — "  Where  two  or 
three  are  g'athered  together  in  my  name  (for  religious 
worship),  there  am  I  in  the  midst  of  them." — Matt. 
xviii.  28.  "  Behold  I  stand  at  the  door  and  knock  :  If 
any  man  hear  my  voice,  and  open  the  door,  I  will  come 
in  to  him,  and  sup  with  him  and  he  with  me" — Rev. 
iii.  20 — thus  realizing  the  true  spiritual  communion, 
and  the  bestowal  of  that  heavenly  bread  which  is  the 
life  of  the  soul,  without  the  intervention  of  priest  or 
ceremonial.  Such  also  is  the  impressive  and  figurative 
language  of  the  wisest  of  men  in  describing  the  same 
spiritual  communion — "  He  will  bring  thee  into  his 
banqueting  house,  and  his  banner  over  thee  shall  be 
love." — Cant.  ii.  4.  These  promises  being  all  inward 
and  spiritual  manifestations  to  the  minds  of  men, — and, 
the  whole  tenor  of  our  Lord's  spiritual  lessons 
being  of  individual   and  inward  application,   it  does 


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indeed  seem  going  tack  to  the  "  oldness  of  the  letter" 
of  the  law,  not  to  the  "  neivness  of  the  spirit,"  of  the 
gospel,  to  accept  such  doctrine  as  is  contained  in  the 
first  letter  of  Dr.  Hugh  Mc.Neile,  in  the  preceding 
correspondence. 

But  the  writer  of  this  would  charitably  hope 
that  such  views  are  not  generally  entertained  by  the 
Episcopal  Church,  or  that  many  entertain  the  un- 
charitable assumption  therein  imputed  to  the  Society 
of  Friends,  who,  although  they  believe  in  no  outward  or 
elementary  baptism  enjoined  upon  them  as  being  at  all 
necessary  to  their  spiritual  growth,  yet  do  most 
surely  believe  in  the  one  true  and  saving  baptism, 
namely,  the  "  answer  of  a  good  conscience  towards 
God  by  the  resurrection  of  Jesus  Christ,"  1  Peter  iii. 
21 — not  only  as  their  Saviour  from  sins  that  are  past  by 
his  one  offering  on  the  cross  for  our  transgressions — but, 
also,  as  the  resurrection  of  a  living  and  higher  principle 
in  their  hearts  and  minds  to  teach,  regulate,  and  control 
their  future  actions — even  as  the  apostle  expresses 
and  describes  such  heavenly  and  spiritual  guidance, 
••  Christ  in  you,  the  hope  of  glory." 

Those  who  believe  in  this  divine  and  heavenly 
guidance  will  learn  "  to  trust  in  the  Lord  with  all  their 
heart,  and  to  lean  not  to  their  own  understanding ;  "  and, 
thus  believing,  they  will  always  live  in  the  spirit  of 
watchfulness  unto  prayer  ;  and  they  will  pray  also  for 
the  direct  influences  of  the  Holy  Spirit,  the  guide,  the 
counsellor,  and  comforter,  promised  by  their  Lord  to 
be  sent  unto  all  his  believing  disciples. 

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"  Pure  religion,  uudefiled,  before  God  the  Father" 
is  described  to  be,  not  a  dogmatic  belief  in  this,  that, 
or  the  other,  merely,  but  also  essentially  practical 
and  benevolent — "to  visit  the  fatherless  and  the 
widows  in  their  affliction  ; "  that  is,  to  show  by  your 
actions  of  love  that  you  have  "  the  love  of  God  shed 
abroad  in  your  heart,"  and,  measurably  filled  with  the 
spirit  of  love,  in  order  to  shew  forth  those  fruits  of  the 
Spirit,  described  by  the  apostolic  and  inspired  penman 
to  be  these — "  love,  joy,  peace,  long-suffering,  gentle- 
ness, goodness,  faith,  meekness,  temperance,  against 
such  there  is  no  law.  And  they  that  are  Christ's,  have 
crucified  the  flesh,  with  the  affections  and  lusts.  If  we 
live  in  the  Spirit,  let  us  also  walk  in  the  Spirit." — - 
Ephesians  v.  22  to  25. 

Pure  religion  is  also,  in  the  same  verse,  described 
to  be — "  to  keep  ourselves  unspotted  from  the  world  ;" 
that  is,  according  to  the  Catechism  of  the  Episcopal 
Church  (which  godfathers  and  godmothers  promise  by 
priestly  contrivance  for  those  in  early  life),  to  renounce 
the  devil  and  all  his  works,  and  the  pomps  and  vanities 
of  this  wicked  world,  and  all  the  sinful  lusts  of  the 
flesh.  This,  according  to  the  writer's  apprehension,  is 
also  a  definition  of  the  requirements  of  religion  in 
accordance  with  the  views  oi  the  Society  of  Friends. 

In  the  New  Testament,  we  find  no  mention 
made  of  clergy  or  laity,  but  we  are  called  brethren  and 
friends — all  equal  in  the  Divine  sight  in  the  spiritual 
relation  ;  and  an  apostle  affirms  that  all  may  be  made 
even  kings  and  priests  unto  God,  who  receive  the 
truths  of  Christianitv. — Rev.  i.  6.     We  read    of  no 


2',\ 

designations  of  Reverend,  Very  Reverend,  or  Right 
Reverend,  applied  to  sinful  men,  but  this  term  is 
only  once  used  in  the  Holy  Scriptures  and  is  applied 
by  the  Psalmist  unto  God — "Holy  and  reverend  is  His 
name." — Psalm  cxi.  9.  All  are  called  unto  holiness 
and  humility,  and  commanded  to  avoid  calling  or  being 
called  of  men  Rabbi,  Rabbi. 

We  are  not  even  to  follow  after  a  Cephas,  a  Paul, 
or  an  Apollos,  but  the  cross  of  our  Lord  Jesus  Christ. 
Nay,  though  the  apostles  had  once  known  our  Lord  in 
the  flesh,  yet,  in  this  relation,  says  the  great  apostle  to 
the  Gentiles, — "  Yet  now,  henceforth,  know  we  him 
no  more.  Therefore,  if  any  man  be  in  Christ,  he  is  a 
new  creature." — 2  Cor.  5, — 16,  17 

Those  who  profess  and  strive  to  uphold  these 
views,  which  are  so  strongly  inculcated  and  enforced 
by  the  inspired  apostles,  may  be  derided  as  following 
a  ''  supposed ''  inward  light,  but  they  have  more  faith 
in  the  language  of  the  evangelical  prophet,  when  he 
declares  and  describes  in  no  equivocal  terras  the  beauti- 
ful simplicity  of  the  glorious  Gospel,  than  to  believe 
that  it  requires  an  army  of  theologians  to  point  the  way 
and  keep  us  to  the  letter  of  "  regulation  and  restric- 
tion," although  they  highly  prize  as  a  special  gift  from 
their  Lord  a  truly  anointed  gospel  ministry.  The  way 
that  Icadcth  to  the  spiritual  kingdom  is  a  plain  one  to 
the  simple  hearted,  it  does  not  require  a  learned  doctor 
in  divinity  to  expound  and  explain  it.  "And  a  highway 
shall  be  there,  and  a  way,  and  it  shall  be  called  the  way 
of  holiness  ;  the  unclean  shall  not  pass  over  it ;  (and 
may  we  not  say,  the  dishonest  or  uncharitable  in  word 


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or  deed,)  but  it  shall  be  for  those;  the  wayfaring  men, 
though  fools,  shall  not  err  therein." — Isaiah  35.  8. 

Many  evidences  might  be  cited  from  Episcopalian  divines 
in  favour  of  what  Dr.  Mc.Neile  derides,  but  as  the  fol- 
lowing is  taken  from  a  clear  and  distinguished  writer,  Dr. 
Thomas  Chalmers  on  the  Evidences  of  Christianity,  it  may 
tend  to  confirm  many  that  it  is  the  internal  light  or  evidence, 
which  is  the  great,  if  not  the  only  agent  of  religious  con- 

vincement. 

"  Such  seems  to  be  the  economy  of  the  Gospel.  It  has  an 
incipient  day  of  small  things,  which,  iinot  despised,  but  prosecuted 
aright,  will  termhiate  m  a  day  of  large  and  lofty  manifestations.  It 
takes  its  outset  from  the  plainest  biddings  of  conscience  :  it  has  its 
consummation  ia  the  things  of  the  Spirit  of  God,  which  the  natural 
man  cannot  receive,  neither  can  he  know  them,  because  they  are 
spiritually  discerned.  It  begins  with  that  which  all  may  apprehend, 
and  all  may  act  upon.  It  ends  with  that  which  eye  bath  not  seen, 
nor  ear  heard,  neither  hath  it  entered  into  the  heart  of  man  to 
conceive;  but  which  God  reveals  by  His  Sphit,  even  by  the  Holy 
Ghost,  given  to  those  who  obey  Him.  He  is  quenched,  be  is  grieved, 
he  is  resisted  by  our  despite  of  him  and  his  suggestions  ;  or,  which 
is  every  way  tantamount  to  this — the  despite  or  disobedience  done 
by  us  to  the  suggestions  of  our  own  conscience.  *  *  »  Con- 
scientiousness in  practice  leads  to  clearness  in  theology.  Each  entire 
man  has  a  conscience  ^vithin  his  breast,  which  teUshimthe  difference 
between  right  and  wrong ;  and  teUs  him  somewhat  of  the  God  who 
planted  it  there  ;  and  each  has  a  consciousness  which  tells  him  of  his 
own  delinquencies  against  this  law  of  moral  nature,  and  that  in  the 
eye  of  Him  who  ordained  that  law,  he  himself  is  an  offender. 

"  It  is  by  the  external  or  historical  evidences  of  Christianity  that 
we  are  enabled  to  maintain  its  cause  against  the  infidehty  of  lettered 
and  academic  men.  But  it  is  another  evidence  that  recommends  it 
to  the  acceptance  of  the  general  population,  their  behef  in  Scripture ; 
and  we  think  all  saving  behef  whatever,  is  grounded  on  the  instant 
manifestation  of  its  truth  in  the  conscience.  There  is  a  latent 
conscience  in  all,  which,  made  awake  and  inteUigent  by  the  Spirit  of 
God,  can  take  knowledge  of  the  word  that  is  spoken,  and  do  homage 
to  the  divinity  which  is  therein  manifested. 

"  They  who  incredulously  regard  the  people  as  beyond  the  reach 
of  this  achievement,  must  he  ignorant  of  that  evidence  in  our 
rehgion,  which  is  addressed  to  the  consciences  of  men — ^which 
evidence  is  indeed  the  great,  if  not  the  only,  insti-ument  of 
christianization,  both  in  and  out  of  Cbiistendom.  The  philosopher 
and  the  peasant  are  admitted  to  the  mysteries  of  the  kingdom  of 
heaven,  in  the  same  way,  and  upon  the  same  footing  at  the  last.  It 
is  the  LIGHT  of  its  moral,  or  experimental,  or  doctrinal  evidence, 
shining  out  of  darkness  to  the  conscience  in  both." 


Carlisle:  printed  at  the  office  of  h.  scott. 


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