JOURNALS " ^flC i)
OF THE <-*)nlane^
LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY
OF THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO
From FEBRUARY 18th, 1914, to May 1st, 1914
(BOTH DAYS INCLUSIVE)
IN THE FOURTH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF
OUR SOVEREIGN LORD, KING GEORGE V.
Being the Third Session of the Thirteenth Legislature of Ontario
SESSION 1914
Printed by order of the Legislative Assembly.
VOL. XLVIII.
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TOKONTO.
Printed and Published by L. K. Cameron. Printer to the King's Most Excellent Majesty
1914
Printed by
WILLIAM BRIGGS,
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TORONTO.
INDEX
TO
THE FORTY-EIGHTH VOLUME
4 GEORGE v., 1914.
A CCOUNTS, PUBLIC:— See Public Accounts.
AcRES^ H. G. : — See Grand River.
Administration of Justice Expenses Act: — See Statute Law Amendment
Act.
Address : — See Lieutenant-Governor.
Agricultural College:
1. Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 30.) Printed.
2. Question re Beekeeping Instruction at, 158.
Agricultural and Experimental Union :
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 32.) Printed.
Agricultural and Rural Life:
Motion for Commission to enquire into; superseded bv amendments,
165-6.
Agt?icultural Resources:
Bill i~Ro. 190), introduced respecting advertising of, by Counties, 290.
Second reading, 311. House goes into Committee on, 327. Third
reading, 356. R.A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 19.)
Agricultural Societies :
Report presented, 238. (Sessional Papers No. U2.) Printed. See
Statute Law Amendment Act.
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Agriculture and Colonization :
Committee appointed, 27. No report.
Agriculture, Department of:
1. Bill (1^0. 178), introduced as to District Eopresentatioii, of the, 242.
Second reading, 270. House goes into Committee on, 283. Third
reading, 355. E.A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 20)
2. Report of, presented, 324. {Sessiojial Papers No. 29.) Printed.
Agriculture, Minister of:
Return ordered, showing whether he, or the Minister of Education com-
municated with the District Representative of Agriculture of Welland
re attitude to the Canada Temperance Act, 99. Presented, 161.
(Sessional Papers No. 76.) Xot printed.
Algonquin National Park :
Papers and correspondence presented, re Forest Reserves and Pembroke
Lumber Company, 149. (Sessio)ial Papers No. 72.) Printed. See
Pembroke Lumber Company.
Almonte High School:
1. Question as to engagement of A. H. Walker at, 143.
2. Return ordered, of correspondence, with Board of Trustees of, etc.,
272. Presented, 389. (Sessional Papers No. 103.) Not printed.
Andrews^ W. R. : — See Smuch, William.
Akti-Treating :
Questions as to legislation, 143. See Bar. Liquor License Lau\
Arnprior, Town of:
Petition for Act to consolidate indebtedness, 17. Reported, 63. Bill
(No. 8), introduced and referred to Railway and Municipal Board,
64. Reported and referred to Committee on Privat'C Bills, 104. Re-
ported, 135. Second reading, 147. House goes into Committee on,
150. Third reading, 285. R.A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 58.)
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Art Purposes:
Committee appointed, 16. No report.
Assessment Law:
1. Bill (No. 72), introduced to amend, 16. Order for second reading
discharged, 170.
2. Bill (Xo. 77), introduced to amend, 41. Motion for second reading
and Debate on adjourned, 118, 133. Second readiiiff negatived,
137-8.
3. Bill (No. 78), introduced to amend, 41. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 79.
4. Bill (Xo. 83), introduced to amend, 55. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 112.
5. Bill (Xo. 85), introduced to amend, 55. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 102. Reported, 301. House goes into
Committee on, 364. Third reading, 365. R. A., 413. (4^^ Geo. V.
c. 34.)
6. Bill (Xo. 90), introduced to amend, 69. Motion for second reading;
point of order raised ; section of Bill eliminated and Bill withdrawn,
133.
7. Bill Xo. 124). introduced to amend. 111. Motion for second read-
ing, 157. Speakers decision on point of order .raised, 168. Second
reading negatived, 169.
8. Bill (Xo. 130). introduced to improve system of in Xorthern On-
tario, 130. Second reading negatived, 178.
9. Amendment in re proposed and negatived, to motion for Address to
His Honour, the Lieu'tenant-Crovernor, 28-9.
Assigx:ments and Preferences Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
AuBiT Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Auditor : — See Provincial Auditor.
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INDEX 1914
Auxiliary Classes:
Bill (Xo. 194), introduced respecting, 302. Second reading, 328. House
goes into Committee on, 352. Third reading, 365. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 49.)
Aylmee^ Town of:
Petition for Act to consolidate floating debt, 40. Reported, 119. Bill
(No. 48), introduced and referred to Railway and Municipal Board,
121. Reported, and referred to Committee on Private Bills, 263.
Reported, 269. Second reading, 300. House goes into Committee
on, 305. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 58.)
B
ALA, TOWN OF:
Petition for Act of incorporation, 94. Reported, 140. Bill (N'o. 93),
introduced and referred, 142. Reported, 234. Second reading, 257.
House goes into Committee on, 298. Third reading, 355. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 59.)
Bagley, James George Guise:
Petition for Act to authorize Law Society to admit him as a Student in
his final year, 18. Reported, 32, Bill (No. 10), introduced and re-
ferred, 34. Reported, 269. Second reading, 300. House goes into
Committee on, 305. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 88.)
Bar, Abolitiox of:
1. Amendment proposed and negatived to motion for Address to Lieu-
tenant Governor, 23-4.
2. Motion proposed and .superseded by amendment. 257-62.
Beeciiwood Cemetery Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 17. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 4), intro-
duced and referred, 33. Reported. 59. Second reading, 78. House
goes into Committe on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4
Geo. V. c. 127.)
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Bee-Keepers :
1. Report of Association presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 37.)
Printed.
2. Question as to instruction in the industry, at Agricultural College,
158.
Bee Protection Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Berlin and Waterloo High School Act:
Bill (Xo. 186), introduced, 270. Second reading, 293. House goes into
Committee on, 311, 357. Third reading, 357. R. A., 413. (4 Geo.
V. c. 29.)
Bi-LiNGUAL Schools : — ^See Education.
Bills :
1. Introduced on suspended rule 88, 109, 222, 235, 265, 281.
2. Objection taken to withdrawal, 213.
3. Passed with unusual speed, 93, 110, 390.
Births, Marriages and Deaths:
Report presented, 148. (Sessional Papers No. 20.) Printed.
Black and Weegar:
Question as to privilege to cut timber at mileage 79^ on T. & N. O.
Railway, 144.
Boards of Education Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Bowman, Charles M, :
1. His charges against Provincial Secretary, 373-77.
2. Motion for Commission to enquire into, superseded bv amendment,
377-81.
BOWMANVILLE, ToWN OF:
Petition for Act respecting, 94. Reported, 140. Bill (I^o. 94), intro-
duced and referred to Railway and Municipal Board, 154. Re-
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ported aud referred to Committee on Private Bills, 188. Reported,
264. Second reading, 299. House goes into Committee on, 305.
Third reading, 355. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 60.)
Beampton, Town of:
1. Petition for Act to confirm By-laws, 17. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 3),
introduced and referred, 33. Reported, 59. Second reading, 78.
House goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 61.)
2. Petition for Act to. validate certain By-laws, 94. Reported, 161. Bill
(Xo. 69), introduced and referred, 162. Reported, 211. Second
reading, 224. House goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading,
285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 62.)
Bkantfoed., City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 40. Reported, 119. Bill (ISTo. 44), intro-
duced and referred, 184. Reported, 264. Second reading, 300.
House goes into Committee on, 329. Third reading, 356. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 63.)
Budget Speech : — ^See Financial Statement.
Building Trades Protection Act:
Question as to appointment of Inspectors under the, 74.
Bulk Sales :
Bill (1^0. 188). introduced respecting, 281. Order for Second reading,
discharged, 311.
f^ AX ADA FURNITURE MANUFACTURERS, LIMITED:
Petition for Act respecting, 168. Reported, 183. Bill (No. 161), intro-
duced and referred, 184. Reported, 234. Second reading, 256.
House goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading, 286. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 128.)
Canada Temperance Act : — See Liquor License Law.
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Canadian jS^orthebn Ontario Ra.ilway:
1. Question as to designation of lands granted to, 37.
. 2. Question as to grant of right to cut timber, to Foley Bros., etx;., 363.
Cattle^ Pure Bred:
Bill (No. 184), introd)uced for the protection of, 265. Second reading,
282. House goes into Committee on, 294. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 43.)
Cemeteries Act :
Bill CNo. 154), introduced to amend, 163. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 193. Reported, 301. House goes into
Committee on, 327. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 45.)
Central Prison :
Return ordered, showing amount received by government, from Taylor
Scott and Company, for work done by prisoners at, 43. Presented,
118. (Sessional Papers No. 68.) l^ot printed.
Children's Court:
Question as to appointment of Commissioner, 97.
Children^ ^Neglected:
Report presented, 268. (Sessional Papers No. 27.) Printed.
Children's Protection Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Civil Service Commission: v
Motion proposed and superseded by amendment, 66-7.
Coal :
Return ordered, showing names of tenderers for supply of, for Government
Institutions; amount of tender, etc., 38. Presented, 160. (Sessional
Papers No. 7U-) Not printed.
INDEX 1914:
Cochrane^ Town of:
Petition for Act respecting, 17. Eeported, 140. Bill (No. 21), intro-
duced and referred to the Railway and Municipal Board, 141. Re-
ported and referred to Private Bills Committee, 173. Reported, 234.
Second reading, 256. House goes into Committee on, 266. Third
reading, 286. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 64.)
CoLcocK, X. B. :
Return presented, to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, show-
ing persons to whom the sum of $19,946.18 was advanced by, 46.
(Sessional Papers No. 60.) N"ot printed.
CoLLrxGwooD, Town of:
Petition for Act respecting, 40. Reported, 64. Bill (Xo. 47), introduced
and referred, 65. Reported, 234. Second reading, 257. House
goes into Committee on, 267. Third reading, 286. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 65.)
Colonization Roads :
Bill (Xo. 75), introduced respecting certain, 235. Second reading, 270.
House goes into Committee on, 283. Third reading, 298. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 17.)
Committees, Standing:
Resolution for appointment of, 11. Striking Committee, 16. Report, 25.
Member added, 41.
Consolidated Revenue Act :
1. Question as to how much of the $5,000,000 authorized to be raised by
2 Geo. V. c. 2, has been raised, etc., 60.
2. Question as to what amounts Government had on hajid unexpended,
in respect to the sale or other disposition of securities, 61.
3. Order-in-Council presented under 2 Geo. V. c. 2, 80. (Sessional Papers
No. 63.) Xot printed. See Statutory Expenditures.
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Consolidated Revenue Fund:
Bill (No. 171), introduced for raising money on the credit of, 221. Se(;ond
reading, 293. House goes into Committee on, 312. Third reading,
355. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 9.)
Consumptives^ Sanatoria for:
Bill (N'o. 139), introduced respecting, 136, Second reading, 177. House
goes into Committee on, 187. Resolution introduced; Lieutenant-
Governor's recommendation signified ; passed through Committee and
referred to Bill, 190. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 56.)
Continuation Schools Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
OoRN Growers Association:
Report presented, 324. {Sessional Papers, No. 35.) Printed.
Cornwall^ Town of :
Petition for Act respecting and McGill Chairs, Limited 40. Reported,
140. Bill (No. 43), introduced and referred, 142. Reported, 264.
Second reading, 299. House goes into Committee on, 329. Third
reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 66.)
Coroners' Act :
Bill (No. 159), introduced to amend, 164. Second reading, 224. House
goes into Committee on, 237. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 22.)
Corporation T-ax Act:
Bill (No. 169), introduced to amend, 212. Second reading, 256. Reso-
lutions introduced ; Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation signified ;
passed through Committee and referred to Bill, 243-55. House goes
into Committee on, 320. Third reading, 3r)(». R. A., 413. (4 Geo.
V. c. 11.)
County Courts Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
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Ckowlaxd^ Township of:
Petition for Act to confirm Bj-law Xo. 5, 52. Reported, 119. Bill
(Xo. 54), introduced and referred, 122. Reported, 363. Second
reading, 365. House goes into Committee on, 365. Third reading,
365. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 67.)
Crown Attorneys Act: — 'See Statute Law Amendment Act.
T^AIRYMEX'S ASSOCIATION:
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 88.) Printed.
District Representation Act :
Bill (Xo. 178), introduced respecting the representation of the Depart-
ment of Agriculture, 242. Second reading, 270. House goes into
Committee on. 283. Third reading, 355. R. A.. 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 20.)
Division Courts :
1. Bill (Xo. 91), introduced to amend the Act, 69. Second reading and
referred to the Legal Committee, 193. Petition respecting, 233.
2. Report presented, 68. [Sessional Papers No. 5.) Printed.
3. Revised Rules presented, 139. (Sessional Papers No. 71.) Printed.
See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Domestic Servants:
Question as to how many came to the Province, etc., 79,
DrNNviLT.E, Town of:
Petition for Act respecting. 17. Reported, 32. Bill (Xo. 18), introduced
and referred to the Railway and Municipal Board, 34. Reported and
referred to the Committee on Private Bills, 57. Reported, 105.
Second reading, 113. Honse goes into Committee on, 118. Third
reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 68.)
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DuNNviLi.E, Wellandpokt AND Beamsville Electric Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 17. Eeported, 53. Bill (N"©. 83), introduced
and referred, 55. Reported, 95. Second reading, IVz. House goes
into Committee on, 128. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo.
V. c. 114.)
E
DUCATION:
1. Bill (ISTo. 122), introduced respecting Special Classes, 111. Order for
second reading discharged, 190.
2. Bill (No. 194), introduced respecting Auxiliary Classes, 302. Second
reading, 328. House goes into Committee on, 352. Third reading,
365. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 49)
3. Report of Department presented, 73. (Sessional Papers, No. 17.)
Printed.
4. Copies of Orders-in-Council presented, 24. (Sessional Papers No. 55.)
Printed.
5. Return presented, to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, of
correspondence relating to investigation, made by Dr. Merchant on the
subject of bi-lingual schools, 2;>8. (Sessional Papers No. 86.) Not
printed.
6. Return presented, to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, of
copies of corres^wndence with Bishop Fallon regarding bi-lingual
schools, 354. (Sessiojial Papers No. 101.) Not printed.
7. Return presented to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, of
copies of correspondence with Bishop Scollard regarding bi-lingual
schools, 354. (Sessional Papers No. 102.) Not printed.
8. Motion to amend Resolution of Supply re attack of Superintendent of
Education upon a ^fember of the House, 347.
9. Motion proposed re the handicapping of progress of Education in the
Province, 219.
10. Return ordered, of correspondence between the Minister of and Henri
St, Jacques ; number of English-French Schools complying with Regu-
lation No. 7, etc., 139. Not brought down.
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11. Ketiurn ordered, showing conditions upon which grants are made to
rural public schools, etc., 144. Presented, 172. (Sessional Papers
No. 77.) Not printed.
12. "Return ordered showing schools from which Government grant with-
held, etc., 165. Presented, 312. (Sessional Papers No. 98.) Not
printed.
13. Return ordered, of correspondence with Board of Trustees of Almonte
High School, 272. Presented, 389. (Sessional Papers No. 103.)
Not printed.
14. Kcturn ordered, showing practise of Department of, in regard to
number of Text-Books authorized, etc., 310. Presented, 389. (Ses-
sional Papej-s No. lOJf.) X'lOt printed,
15. Question as to number of Model Schools established in 1913, 60.
16. Question as to Boards of High School Trustees being informed that
grants reduced, 117.
17. Question as to engagement of A. H. Walker, at Almonte School, 143,
18. Question as to filling positron held bv Henri St. Jacques, 151.
19. Question as to investigation into Technical Education by Dr. Merchant^
185.
20. Question as to when English-French Model School was established at
Vankleek Hill, 213.
21. Question as to when English-French Model School was established at
Ottawa, 214.
22. Question as to when English-French Model School was established in
Essex County, 214.
23. Question as to when English-French Model School was established at
Plantagenet, 306.
24. Question as to when English-French Model School was established at
Sturgeon Falls. 307.
25. Question as to how many training schools existed prior to 1905, 215.
See Statute Law Amendment Act.
1914 INDEX XV
Elections and Election Act :
1. Bill (No. T3), introduced to require the publication of contributions for
Political Purposes, 20. Second reading and referred to the Legal
Committee, 157.
2. Bill (No. 86), introduced to prohibit Political Contributions by cor-
porations; certain associations and Grovernment Contractors, 55.
Second reading and referred to the Legal Committee, 156.
3. Bill (No. 136), introdiieed to amend the election Act, 136. Second
reading and referred to the Legal Committee, 156. Reported. 363.
House goes into Committee on, 372. Provisions incorporated with
Bill No. 181. See lelow.
4. Bill (No. 137), introduced to prohibit political contributions by Cor-
porations, License holders and Public Contractors, 136. Second
reading and referred to the Legal Committee, 156. Reported. 334.
House goes into Committee on, 357. Third reading amendment nega-
tived, 358. R.A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 6.)
5. Bill (No. 148), introduced to amend the Act, 155. Second reading
negatived, 190.
6. Bill (No. 181), introduced to amend the Election Laws, 265. Second
reading, 293. House goes into Committee on, 327, 358. Third read-
ing; amendment negatived, 383-6. R.A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 5.)
7. Notifications of vacancies, 2, 3, 4, 5.
8. Certificates of Elections, 5, 6, 7.
9. Return from Records presented, 11. (Sessional Papers No. 50.)
Printed.
Electric Railways :
1. Bill (No. 192), introduced respecting the public construction and
operation of, 291. Second reading, 328. House goes into Committee
on, 364. Third reading, 364. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. e. 31.)
2. Motion that cheap transportation facilities is one of the most urgent
needs in rural sections, etc., superseded by amendment, 132.
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3. Return ordered, showing for what Municipalities was the report of
Lieutenant-Governor in Council, in favour of or against building, 60,
Presented, SO. (Sessional Papers No. 62.) Printed.
Embalmers' and Undertakers' Act : — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Employment Agencies :
Bill (Xo. 199), introduced respecting, 390. Second reading, 390. House
goes into Committee on, 390. Third reading, 390. R. A., 413.
(4Geo. V. c. 38.)
English-French Schools : — 'See Educatiori.
Entomology :
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 36.) Printed.
Epileptics :
1. Bill (Xo. 142), introduced respeeting the Hospital for, 137. Second
reading, 177. House goes into Committee on, 187. Third reading,
292. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 55.)
2. Report presented, 359. (Sessional Papers No. 23.) Printed.
Estate Bills :
Referred to Commissioners, 55, 163. Reported, 76, 209.
Estimates :
Presented and referred, 35, 236, 305. See Supply.
EVANTUREL, GuSTAVE :
His statement to House, 47. His letter quoted, 50.
Execution Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Extra Provinclvl Corporations Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
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■pACTORIES AXD FACTORIES ACT:
1. Bill (No. 155), introduced to amend the Factory, Shops and Office
Building Act, 163. Second reading, 198. House goes into Com-
mittee on, 212, 293. Third reading; amendments negatived, 368-371.
.R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 40.)
2. Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 46.) Printed.
3. Question as to how manv female inspectors employed, 95.
Fair Wages and Hours of Labour :
Bill (Xo. 149), introduced, 155. Motion for second reading and Debate
on adjourned, 2'37-8. Debate resumed and amendment re appointment
of Commission proj^osed and negatived, 297. Second reading neg-
atived, 298.
Fallon, Bishop : — See Education.
Farm Labourers :
Question as to how many came to Province, etc., 79.
Farmers' Institutes :
Report presented, 238. (Sessional Papers No. 4-0.) Printed.
Feeble Minded:
Report presented, 334. (Sessio7ial Papers No, 2Jf..) Printed.
Female Franchise : — See Women.
Financial Statement :
1. Delivered and Debated on adjourned, 45.
2. Motions proposed as to misleading, 62. 106. See Supply.
Fire Marshall:
Bill (Xo. 129), introduced to provide for the appointment of, 130. Reso-
lutions introduced; Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation signified:
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passed Committee and referred to Bill, 130-1. Second reading, 157.
House goes into Committee on, 267. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 41.)
Fish and Game:
1. Bill (No. 133), introduced to amend the Act, 130. Second reading
and referred to the Committee on Fish and Game, 172. Reported,
233. House goes into Committee on, 268. Provisions embodied with
those of Bill {No. 162). See helow.
2. Bill (No. 162), introdnced to amend, 177. Second reading, 217.
Resolutions introdnced re salary of Deputy Minisier; Lieutenant-
Governor's recommendation signified ; passed through Committee and
referred to Bill, 225-6. House goes into Committee, 282, 357. Third
reading, 357. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 46.)
3. Committee appointed, 27.
4. Report presented, 39. {Sessional Papers No. IJf.) Printed.
Foreigners, Moneys of: See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Forest Fires Act:
Bill (No. 110), introduced to amend, 95. Second reading 128. House
goes into Committee on, 153. Third reading, 355. R. A., 413. (4
Geo. V. c. 42.)
FoKFST Hut. Ei.ecti^ic Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 17. Report-ed, 53. Bill (No. 16), introduced
and referred, 54. Reported, 130. Second reading, 147. House goes
into Committee on, 150. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo.
V. c. 115.)
Forest Resekvks:
Papers and corres]iondence presented re Algonquin National Park and
Pembroke Lumber Company, 149. {Sessional Papers No. 72.)
Printed.
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Foirr William^ City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 18. Reported, 33. Bill (No. 13), introduced
and referred to Railway and Municipal Board, 34. Reported and
referred to Committee on Private Bills, 134-5. Reported, 211.
Second reading, 224. House goes into Committee on, 2G0. Third
reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 69.)
Friendly Societies :
Report presented, 113. (Sessional Papers No. 11.) Printed.
Fi.'UiT Branch:
Report on the Fruits of Ontario, presented, 238. (Sessional Papers No.
33.) Printed.
Fruit and Demonstration Farms:
Question as to ownership and operation of, 66.
Fruit Growers^ Association :
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. JfJf.) Printed.
/^ AME:— See Fish and Game.
Ganonoque and Arnpeior Railway' Company:
Petition for Act to amend Act of incorporation, 18. Reported, 81. Bill
(No. 14), introduced and referred, 83. Reported, 130. Second^
reading, 147. House goes into Committee on, 150. Third reading.
284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 116.)
Gaols and Prisons :
1. Report presented, 312. (Sessional Papers No. 26.) Printed.
2. Official Regulations presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 92.)
Printed.
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INDEX 1914
Goodman and ^IcKelvie :
Return presented, to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, of
copies of correspondence relating to prosecution of Goodman and
conduct of McKelvie, etc., 39. (Sessional Papers No. 59.) ISTot
Printed.
Good Roads Commission :
Report presented, 220. (Sessional Papers No. 8Jf..) Printed.
Goods and Chattels in Bulk:
Bill (No. 188), introduced, respecting the purchase, transfer and sale
of, 281. Order for second reading discharged, 311.
GOVEKNMENT HoUSE :
1. Question as to exi>eiiditure on, re furnishings, etc., 35.
2. Motion re expenditure on, 62.
3. Motion to strike out $125,000 for, 303.
4. Motion against concurrence of resolution of supplv, 348.
Grand River:
1. Return presented, to an order of the House of the Session of 1913, -for
correspondence relating to floods on; petitions; reports, etc., 39.
(Sessional Papers No. 58.) .Not Printed.
2. Question as to steps taken to carry out suggestions of Mr. Acres, 320.
Grimsby^ Village of:
Petition for Act to confirm By-laws of and Township of ]!^orth Grimsby,
105. Reported, 161. Bill (No. 98), introduced and referred, 16*3.
Reported withdrawn; fees remitted, 302.
GuELPH^ City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 94. Reported, 140. Bill (No. 95), intro-
duced and referred, 189. Reported, 264. Second reading, 299.
House goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 70.)
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GuELPH Consolidated School:
Question as to how maintained, 184.
GuELpn Pkison Farm :
1. Return ordered, shewing what buildings erected; total cost, etc., 38.
Presented, 160. (Sessional Papers No. 75.) Not printed.
2. Question as to total amount expended at, 1^5.
GuELPii Radial Railway Company :
Petition for Act respecting, 18. Reported, 53. Bill (No. 28), introduced
and referred, 54. Reported, 162. Second reading, 186. House
goes into Committee on, 190. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4
Geo. V. e. 117.)
GiELPu Winter Fair:
Question as to additional accommodation for, 38.
H
AILEYBURY TURF ASSOCIATION:
Petition for Act of incorporation, 18. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 1), intro-
duced and referred, 33. Reported withdrawn, fees remitted, 302.
Halton, County of:
Petition for Act to confirm By-law No. 387, 105. Reported, 161. Bill
(No. 99), introduced and referred, 163. Reported, 234. Second
reading, 256. House goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading,
286. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 71.)
Hamilton Athletic Association :
Return ordered, of correspondence relating to, regarding which legisila-
tion is sought, 170. Presented, 181. (Sessional Papers No. 79.')
Not printed.
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Hamilton^ City of:
Petitions for Act respecting, 18, 53. Reported, 54. Bill (No. 19), intro-
duced and referred, 120, Motion for second reading; amendment
to recommit and Debate on adjourned, 180. Second reading, 171.
House goes into Committee on, 223. Third reading; amendment
negatived, 291. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 72.)
Harkness, Mk. : — See Jordan Experimental Fruit Station.
JIealth^ Board of :
1. Report presented, 80. (Sessional Paper No. 21.) Printed.
2. Report (special) presented, 80. (Sessional Papers No. 21a.) Printed.
High Schools Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Highway Improvement:
Report presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 15.) Printed. See Good
Roads. Reaume.
Horticultural Societies :
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 43.) Printed.
Hospitals and Charitable Institutions Act: See Statute Law Amend-
ment Act.
Hospitals and Charities:
1. Report presented, 202. (Sessional Papers No. 25.) Printed.
2. Official Regulations presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 91.)
Printed.
HousE^ The:
1. Proclamation calling for Dispatch, 1.
2. Adjourns out of respect to memorv of Sir George Ross, 56.
3. Adjourns to an unusual hour, 101.
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4. Sits after midnight, 139, 171, 225, 259, 274, 298, 320, 321, 359, 379.
Sita all night, 93.
5. Government Orders to be on Monday's Paper, 148.
6. Government Business to take precedence, 195.
7. Xew Rules, relating to Private Bills, adopted, 313.
8. To sit at 11 a.m., 315.
Houses of Refuge Act : — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Housing Accommodation Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Hydko-Electkic Power Commission:
1. Report presented, 80. (Sessional Papers No. 1^8.) Printed.
2. Financial Statements referred to Committee on Public Accounts, 293.
3. Question as to compliance with Resolution of House re statement of
expenditures, 65.
4. Question as to payment, by Toronto, of anjiual proportion of charges.
330.
5. Question as to payment, by municipalities of interest charge, 331.
6. Question as to pa\^nent, by municipalities of proportion of sinking
fund, 331.
7. Question as to whether Government transmitted to Government of
Canada, Resolution of House, 406.
8. Question as to municipalities in !N^iagara District which have not paid
proportion of sinking fund, 407.
9. Question as to what amount of sinking fund due bv citv of Toronto.
407.
10. Return ordered, of correspondence relative to the statements of re-
ceipts and expenditures, of etc., 152. Not brought down.
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11. Return ordered, shewing- how much Commission spent in bnilding
trunk line from Morrisburg to Prescott, etc., 217. Presented, 238.
(Sessional Papers No. 87.) !N'ot Printed.
12. Afotion to amend Resolution of Supply, by inserting certain estimates,
303.
13. Return presented to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913,
for copies of Order-in-Council under Section 8 of Act, 312. (Session-
al Papers No. 97.) Xot printed.
I
DIOTS AND EPILEPTICS:
Report presented, 389. (Sessional Papers No. 23.) Printed.
Industrial Farms Act:
1. Bill (Xo. 141), introduced to amend, 137. Second reading, 217.
House goes into Committee on, 232. Third reading, 292. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 52.)
2. Official Regulations presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 93.)
Printed.
Industeial, Schools Act:
Bill (Xo. 140), introduced to amend, 136. Second reading, 177. House
goes into Comrhittee on, 187. Resolutions introduced; Lieutenant-
Governor's recommendation signified; passed through Committee and
referred to. Bill, 191. Third reading, 3G5. R. A.. 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 48.)
Industries^ Bureau of: •
Report presented, 334. (Sessional Papers No. ^5.) Printed.
Insane, The:
1. Bill (Xo. 143), introduced respecting Reception Hospitals for, 137.
Second reading, 177. Resolutions introduced; Lieutenant-Governor's
recommendation signified; passed through Committee and referred
1914 INDEX XXV
to Bill, 192. House goes into Committee on, 187. Third reading.
292. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 54.)
2. Bill (No. 152), introduced to amend the Hospitals Act, 155. Second
reading, 217. House goes into Committee on, 232. Third reading,
292. E. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 53.)
3. Return ordered, shewing number of Patients now under treatment in
Hospitals for, etc., 100. Not hrought down. See Hospitals.
4. Official Regulations presented, 287. (Sessional Paper No. 95.)
Printed.
Insurance :
Report presented, 113. (Sessional Papers No. 10.) Printed. See
Ontario Insurance.
Inter-Provincial Conference:
1. Minutes of proceedings presented, 109. (Sessional Papers No. 67.)
Printed.
2. Question as to Resolution of, re Salary of Lieutenant-Governor and
Subsidies, 37.
Iron Industry :
, Resolution that the development of, would be stimulated, etc., by assistance
from Parliament of Canada, 72.
ORDAX EXPERIMENTAL FRUIT STATION:
1. Question as to expenditure at, and re Harkness, 80.
2. Return ordered, of correspondence with reference to resignation of Mr.
Harkness, 146. Not brought down.
Judicature Act :
Bill (No. 120). introduced to amend. 111. Second reading negatived.
365-6. See Statute Law Amendment Act.
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Jurors Act : — See Statute Amendment Act.
Justices of the Peace :
Bill introduced pro forma, 11.
K
ENORA, TOWX OF
1. Return presented, to an order of the House, of the Session of 1913, of
correspondence with reference to action vs. town, bj Keewatin Power
Company, etc., 129. (Sessional Papers No. 70.) ISTot printed.
2. Return ordered, of correspondence, relating to the enforcement of the
Liquor License Law in, etc., 179. Not brought down.
3. Question as to who is License Inspector at; date of appointment, etc.,
198.
Kingston Asylum :
Question as to filling Bursarship at, 144.
T ABOUR, BFREAIT OF:
Report presented, 68. (Sessional Papers No. 16.) Printed.
Labour, Hours of Regulation : — See Fair Wages.
Lake Huron and !N'orthern Ontario Railway:
1. Question as to commencement of construction, progress, settlers, etc.,
43.
2. Motion condemning policy of Government in alienating large and valu-
able areas of the Public Domain, 31.5-16.
Lands, Forests and Mines:
Report presented, 268. (Sessional Papers No. 3.) Printed.
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Land Titles Act:
Bill (Xo. 158), introduced to amend, 164. Second readinu;, 103. House
goes into Committee on, 236. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413 (4
Geo. V. c. 24.)
Lauriek^ Township of:
1. Question as to granting, or patenting lots 32 and 33 on 14tli Con. of,
271.
2. Return ordered, shewing applications received by Department for lots
32 and 33 on 14th Con. of, 320. Not brought down.
Leamington^ Town of :
Petition for Act to provide for the withdrawal of, from jurisdiction of
County of Essex, 18. Reported, 63. Bill (ISTo. 36), introduced and
referred, 74. Reported withdravsm, fees remitted, 211.
Legal Committee:
Appointed, 28. Report. 313. 334, 363.
Legal Offices :
Report presented, 172. (Sessional Papers No. 6.) Printed.
Legislative Assembly :
1. Motion for leave to introduce Bill (N^o. 106), to amend the Act, on
suspended Rule; objections taken; Mr. Speaker's ruling sustained,
and Bill introduced, 84-8. Motion for second reading and adjourn-
ment of House proposed and negatived, 89. Amendment then pro-
posed and negatived, 89, 91. House goes into Committee on division,
91. Motion for third reading and amendment proposed and neg-
atived, 92-3. Third reading, 93. R. A., 94. (4 Geo. V. e. 7.)
2. Bill (No. 138), introduced respecting Representation of the People in,
136. Second reading and referred to a select Committee, 177. Re-
ported, 325, House goes into Committee on, 359, 387, 392. Motion
for third reading and amendments proposed and negatived, 392-406.
Third reading on division, 406. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 4.)
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INDEX 1914
3. Return ordered, shewing who are the members, other than Mr. Fer-
guson, who had incurred disqualification, 387. (Not hrought down.)
See Statvte Law Amendment Act.
4. New Rules adopted, relating to Private Bills, 313.
Library :
1. Committee appointed, 16. No report.
2. Report of Librarian presented. (Sessional Papers No. 52.) Not
printed.
Lieutenant-Governor :
1. His Speech at opening, 8.
2. To be taken into consideration, 11.
3. Motion for Address in reply; amendment proposed re employment of
those willing to work and Debate on adjourned, 14. Amendment put
and negatived, 22. Debate further adjourned, 22. Amendment pro-
posed and negatived re treating habit and abolition of the Bar, 23.
Debate further adjourned, 24. Amendment proposed and negatived
re Assessment Reform, 20. Motion carried and Address ordered to
be engrossed and presented, 30-1.
4. Transmits Estimates, 35, 236, 305.
5. Question as to Resolution of Tnter-Provincial Conference re increase
of salary, 37.
6. Recommends Resolutions involving expenditure of Public Money, 122.
123, 130, 175, 190, 191, 192, 225, 226, 227, 243, 255, 390.
7. Assets to Acts, 94, 110, 290, 413.
8. Speech at close, 413.
Lindsay, Town of:
Petition for Act respecting, 18, Reported, 33. Hill (No. 17), introduced
and referred to the Railway and Municipal Board, 34. Reported and
referred to Committee on Private Bills, 57-8. Reported, 136. Second
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reading, 147. House goes into Committee on, 190. Third reading.
285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 73.)
LiQUOK License Law :
I. Bill (No. 82), introduced to amend the Act, 52. Second reading
negatived. 152.
3. Bill (Xo. 191). introduced to amend, 290. Second reading, 311.
House goes into Committee on, 327. Third reading; amendment
negatived, 386. 11 A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 47.)
4. Motion for Select Committee to enquire into visits of W. K. Snider,
to Welland, Huron and Peel, negatived, 318-19.
5. Mr. Bowman makes certain charges, and motion for Commission to
enquire into, superseded by amendment, 373-381.
6. Question as to fines imposed on vessels, for violation of, 65.
7. Question as to who is License Inspector at Kenora, 98.
8. Question as to who is License Inspector at ISTorth Waterloo, 98.
9. Question as to any action by Government in matter of inspection in
North Waterloo, 117.
10. Question as to seizure of liquor in Local Option Territory in N. Grey,
etc., 20.
II. Question as to application of William Smuck as Inspector for E.
Elgin, 36.
12. Question as to appointment of W. K. Snider, as Inspector, etc., 41.
13. Question as to anti-treating legislation, 143.
14. Question as to o])en bars in roadhouses on Sandwich, Windsor and
Amherstburg. Railway, 158.
15. Question as to sale in quantity by holders of shop licenses, 164.
16. Questions as to who is Inspector in N. Essex, 164, 270, 388.
17. Question as to inspection of Woodbine Hotel, 321.
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18. Question as to who are License Commissioners in Toronto, 322.
19. Question as to prosecutions re McConkey license, 322.
20. Question as to J. E. Stowe being Treasurer of Essex Conservative
Association, etc., 388.
21. Return ordered, of correspondence with Ferdinand Walter, as to ad-
ministration of law in I^. Waterloo, 176. Not brought down.
22. Return ordered, shewing application for license of William Smuck
for 1913-14; the granting thereof, etc., 55. Presented. (Sessional
Papers No. 66.) 'Not printed.
23. Return ordered, shewing whether the Ministers of Agriculture, or
Education, communicated with the District Representative of Countj
of Welland re his attitude to the Canada Temperance Act, 99. Pre-
sented, 118. (Sessional Papers No. 76.) Not printed.
24. Return ordered, shewing names of liquor license holders in Toronto,
from 1908 to 1909, etc., 99. Presented, 118. (Sessional Papers
No. 69.) Not printed.
25. Return ordered, of correspondence, re enforcement of law in Kenora,
179. Not brought down.
26. Return ordered, shewing number of convictions for intoxication in
Local Option Municipalities, 222. Presented, 262. (Sessional
Papers No. 89.) Not printed.
27. Return ordered, of correspondence with J. A. Smyth, 407. Not
brought down.
28. Return ordered of correspondence with Paul Morand, 408. Not
brought down.
29. Report presented on working of the Acts, 39. (Sessional Papers No.
8.) Printed.
Live Stock Associations:
Report presented, 46. (Sessional Papers No. 39.) Printed.
Loax Corpokatioxs :
Statements presented, 113. (Sessional Papers No. 12.) Printed.
1914 INDEX xxxi
Loan and Trusts Corporations Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Local Improvement Act :
1. Bill (No. 118), introduced to amend, 111. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 146.
2. Bill (No. 168), introduced to amend, 211. Order for second reading
discharged, 267. See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Local Option : — See Liquor License Law.
London^ City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 46. Eeported, 82. Bill (No. 51), introduced
and referred, 83. Eeported, 141. Second reading, 151. House goes
into Committee on, 190. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo.
V. c. 74.)
London, Grand Bend and Stratford Railway Company :
Petition for Act of incorporation, 58. Reported, 120. Bill (No. 53),
introduced and referred, 121. Reported, 162. Second reading, 186.
House goes into Committee on, 190. Third reading, 285. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 118.)
London Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation:
Petition for Act respecting, 59. Reported, 119. Bill (No. 61), intro-
duced and referred, 122. Reported; fees remitted, 141. Second
reading, 150. House goes into Committee on, 158. Third reading,
285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 136.) •
cCONKEY LICENSE:
M
Question as to how manv prosecutions instituted, 322.
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M
ARMORA MINING AND RAILWAY COMPANY:
Petition for Act respecting, 40. Reported, 120. Bill (No. 46), intro-
duced and referred, 121. Reported, 162. Second reading, 186. House
goes into Committee on, 190. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 119.)
Marriage Act : — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Married Women : — See Women.
Master and Servant Act : — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Mechanics and Wage-Earners Lien Act: — See Statute Law Amendment
Act.
Members :
1. Notifications of vacancies, 2, 3, 4, 5.
2. Certificates of Election, 5, 6, 7.
3. Take Oath and Seats, 7.
4. Added to Committees, 41.
5. Mr. Evanturel makes statement to House, 47.
6. Return ordered, shewing who are the members, ofcher than Mr. Fer-
guson, who had incurred disqualification. 387. Not brought doivn.
7. Sessional indemnity paid to, 406.
Mercer Reformatory:
Official Regulations presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 90.) Printed.
Merchant, Dr. :
1. Question as to investigation by, into Technical Education, 185.
2. Return presented to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913, of
correspondence relating to the investigation made by, re bi-lingual
Schools, 238. (Sessional Papers No. 86.) Not printed
Meredith, Sir W. :
1. Question as to compensation to, as Commissioner on Workmen's Com-
pensation Act, 164.
2. Return ordered, showing moneys paid to, etc., 165. Presented, 181.
(Sessional Papers No. 80.) Not printed.
1914 INDEX XXXlll
Midland^ Town of:
l*etitiou for Act rcspcH-tiiiii, 2."), .Iic])(irt('(l, r)4. Bill ( Xo. 11). intro-
duced and referred, 110. Reported, 174. Second reading, 186.
House goes into Committee on, 223, 286. Third reading, 292.
K. A., 4i;}. (4 Geo. V. c. 75.)
MiMico, Village of :
Petition for Act respecting, 114. Reported, 161. Bill (Xo. 113), in-
troduced and referred, 163. Reported, 234. Second reading, 256.
Plouse goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading, 286. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. e. 76.)
Mines and Mining :
1. Bill (Xo. 81); introduced to amend the Act, 47. Second reading,
128. House goes into Committee on, 153, 353. Third reading, 355.
R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 14.)
2. Report of Bureau presented, 172. {Sessional Papers No. Jf.) Printed.
Mining Tax Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Model Schools: — See Education.
MoRAND^ Paul:
Return ordered, of correspondence with relation to performance of his
duties, 408. Not brought down.
MoRKisBUKG AND Ottawa Electric Railway Company :
Petition for Act respecting. 109. Reported. 183. Bill ( Xo. 109). intro-
duced and referred, 184. Reported, 269. Second reading, 300.
House goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 356. R. A..
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 120.)
Motor Vehicles Act:
1. Bill (Xo. 80), introd\iced to amend, 44. Order for second reading
discharged, 79.
2. Bill (Xo. 150), introduced to amend, 155. Second reading and re-
ferred to the Municipal Committee, 218. Reported, 301. House
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goes into Committee on, 359. Third reading, 359. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 36.)
3. Bill (Xo. 164), introduced to amend, 184. Second reading and re-
ferred to the Municipal Committee, 218.
Municipal Drainage Act:
Orders in Council presented, 233. (Sessional Papers No. 85.) Printed.
See Statute Laic Amendment Act.
Municipal Government:
Motion for Commission to enquire into; withdrawn, 220.
Municipal Law :
1. Bill (Xo. 70), introduced to amend, 15. Motion for second reading
and Debate on adjourned, 76, 152. Second reading negatived, 155.
2. Bill (Xo. 74), introduced to amend, 21. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 79. Reported, 301..
3. Bill (Xo. 76), introduced to amend, 35. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 79. Reported, 301.
4. Bill (Xo. 100), introduced to amend, 83. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 112. Reported, 301.
5. Bill (Xo. 102), introduced to amend, 84. Second reading and re-
. ferred to Municipal Committee, 152. Reported, 301.
6. Bill (Xo. 104), introduced to amend, 84. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 153. Reported. Reported, 301.
7. Bill (Xo. 116). introduced to amend. 111. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 146. Reported, 301.
8. Bill (Xo. 117), introduced to amend. 111. Second reading and re-
ferred to ^lunicipal Committee, 146. Reported, 301.
9. Bill (Xo. 119), introduced to amend. 111. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 146. Reported, 301.
10. Bill (Xo. 121), introduced to amend, 146. Second reading and re-
ferred to Mniiicjpa] Committee, 146. Reported, 301.
1914 INDEX XXXV
11. Bill (IN^o. 126), introduced to amend, 122. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 153. Reported, 301.
12. Bill (No. 127), introduced to amend, 122. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 146. Reported, 301.
13. Bill (No. 128), introduced to amend, 122. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 147. Reported, 301.
14. Bill (No. 131), introduced to amend, 130. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 177. Reported, 301.
15. Bill (No. 132), introduced to amend, 130. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 172. Reported, 301.
16. Bill (No. 185), introduced to amend, 2G9. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 273.
17. Bill (No. 193), introduced ''The Municipal Amendment Act, 1914,''
302. Second reading, 328. House goes into Committee on, 359.
Third reading: amendments negatived, 372, 383. R. A., (4 Geo. V.
c. 33.)
18. Committee appointed, 27. Report, 301.
19. Petition respecting, 78, 268.
MUEEAY^ MaTHEK AND COMPANY :
Return ordered, showing if option given to, to purchase certain Govern-
ment securities, etc., 145. Presented, 188. (Sessional Papers No.
82.) Not printed.
VJ EWFOUNDLAND :— See Statute Law Amendment Act.
New^ or Northern Ontario:
1. Bill (No. 130). introduced to remedy and improve conditions of
assessment and taxation in, 130. Second reading negatived, 178.
2. Motion re settlement and development of. superseded hv amendment,
272-78.
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3. Whitson's Report presented, on road construction in, 154. (SessionaJ
Papers No. 73.) Printed.
Niagara Falls, Welland and Dinnnii-lk Electric Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 218. Reported, 221. Bill (Xo. 55), intro-
duced and referred, 221. Reported, 201). Second reading-, 300.
House goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 35G. R.A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 121.)
Niagara Frontier Electric Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 78. Not proceeded with.
Niagara River Boulevard:
Question as to construction of, 361.
North Bay^ Town of:
1. Petition for Act to confirm By-law No. 339, 264. Bill (No. 179),
introduced on suspended rule and referred, 264. Reported, 301.
Second reading, 329. House goes into Committee on, 351. Third
reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 20.)
2. Bill (No. 189), introduced on suspended rule respecting a School
Site for the Roman Catholic Separate School Board of and referred
to Committee on Private Bills, 290. Reported, fees remitted. 301.
Second reading, 329. House goes into Committee on, 351. Third
reading, 365.' R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 78.)
North Essex: ^
Questions as to who is License Inspector and if he applied for loans.
164, 270.
North Grey :
Question as to seizure of liqnor in Local Option Territory of, 20.
XoRTH Midland Railway Co.mi'anv :
Petition for Act respecting, 18. Reported, 63. P>ill (No. 23), intro-
duced and referred, 64. Reported, 95. Second reading, 113. House
goes into Committee on, 128. Third reading, 284. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 106.)
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NoKTii Waterloo:
1. Question as to who is License Inspector in, etc., 98.
2. Question as to any action proposed by Government, 117.
3. Return ordered, of correspondence with Ferdinand Walter, as to ad-
ministration of Liquor Law in, 176. Not brought down.
o
AKVILLE, TOWN OF:
Bill (No. 173), introduced on suspended Kule and referred, 235. Re-
ported, 204. Second reading, 299. House goes into Committee on^
305. Third reading, 355. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 79.)
Ontario Companies Act:
Bill (No. 187), introduced to amend, 280. Second reading and referred
to the Legal Committee, 311. Reported, 364. House goes into
Committee on, 387. Third reading, 387. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 29.)
Ontario Homes Company^ Ltd. :
1. Return ordered, of copy of Charter of, 309. Presented, 325. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 99.) Not printed.
2. Question as to article appearing in '* Saturday Night," 309.
Ontario Hospitals for Insane:
Report presented, 39. (Sessional Papers No. 56.) Printed.
Ontario Insurance Act :
1. Bill (No. 160), introduced to amend, 164. Second reading, 217.
Resolutions introduced ; Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation sig-
nified; passed through Committee and referred to Bill, 255-6. House
goes into Committee on, 237, 326, 382. Third reading, 382. R. A..
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 30.)
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2. Bill (Xo. 182). introduced to amend, 265. Order for second reading
discharged, 358.
3. Re|X)rt presented, 113. (Sessional Papers No. 10.) Printed.
Ontario Land Sukveyoks' Act:
Bill (Xo. 146), introduced to amend. 142. Second reading, 172. House
goes into Committee on, 187. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 26.)
Ontaeio Railway Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board:
1. Bills referred to, 34, 121, 141, 142, 155. Reported, 57, 104, 134,
173, 182, 188, 263.
2. Report presented, 354. -(Sessional Papers No. 49.) Printed.
Ontario Reformatory Act:
1. Bill (ISTo. 151), introduced to amend, 155. Second reading, 217.
House goes into Committee on, 232. Third reading, 292. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 51.)
2. Official Regulations presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 9^.)
Printed.
Ontario Stallion Act :
1. Bill (Xo. 180). introduced to amend, 265. 'Second reading, 282.
House goes into Comimttee on, 299. Third reading; amendment
negatived, 360. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 44.)
2. Petitions for repeal of. 354.
Ontario Tei-epiionk Act:
Bill (Xo. 195), introduced to amend, 313. Second reading, 328. House
goes into Committee on, 358. Third reading, 358. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 32.)
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Ontario West Siioke Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 68. Reported, 140. Bill (Xo. 63), intro-
duced and referred, 142. Reported, 269. Second reading, 300.
House goes into Committee on, 306. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 122.)
Orangeville^ Town of:
Petition for Act to confirm By-law No. 1003, 18. Reported, 54. Bill
(Xo. 9), introfliicefl and referred, 54. Reported, 105. Second
reading, 113. House goes into Committee on, 128. Third reading,
284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 70.)
Orientals : — See Women.
Orillia Institute:
Question as to number of patients undergoing treatment in, 97.
Orili.ia^ Town of:
Petition for Act respecting, 95. Reported, 221. Bill (N'o. 96), intro-
duced and referred, 221. Reported, 264. Second reading, 299.
House goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 81.)
Ottawa^ Beechwood Cemetery:
Petition for Act respecting, 17. Reported, 32. Bill (ISTo. 4), intro-
duced and referred, 34. Reported, 59. Second reading, 78. House
goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 127.)
Ottawa, City of:
1. Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 32. Bill (Xo. 39), intro-
duced and referred, 64. Reported, 280. Second reading, 329.
House goes into Committee on, 329. Third reading, 329. R, A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 82.)
2. Petition for Act respecting, 69. Reported, 120. Bill (Xo. 64), in-
troduced and referred, 162. Reported. 264, Second reading, 328.
House goes into Committee on, 351, Third reading, 365. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 83.)
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3. Bill (Xo. 114), iiitrochicetl, on suspemlod Knle, respecting Water
Works, 100. Second reading; House goes into Committee on; third
reading, 110. R. A., 110. (4 Geo. V. c. 84.)
4. Bill (Xo. 177), introduced respecting, 235. Order for second reading
discharged, 358.
Ottawa Ladies' College :
Petition for Act respecting, 18. Reported, 32. Bill (Xo. 5), introduced
and referred, 34. Reported; fees remitted, 59. Second reading, 78.
House goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 130.)
Ottawa Orphans' Home :
Petition for Act respecting, 18. Reported, 140. Bill (Xo. 32), intro-
duced and referred, 142. Reported, fees remitted, 234. Second
reading. 257. House goes into Committee on, 298. Third reading,
355. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 129.)
Ottawa^ ]{Ti)i;vi- Lakes and Kingston Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 81. Bill (Xo. 15), intro-
duced and referred, 83. Reported, 129. Second reading, 147. House
goes into Committee on, 149. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 123.)
"P ARRY SOUXD, TOWX OF: '
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 54. Bill (Xo. 29), intro-
duced and referred, 54. Reported, 141. Second reading, 150.
House goes into Committee on, 158. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 85.)
Pemb]{Oke Limber Company:
1. Resolution introduced re purchase of rights of and amendment pro-
posed and negatived, 175. Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation
signified; passed through Committee and referred to Bill, 175-6. Bill
(Xo. 147), introduced, 143. Second reading, 177. House goes into
Committee on, 225. Third reading; amendment negatived, 360.
R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 13.)
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2. Return ordered, showing- consideration paid by licensee to Government
etc., 362. Not brought down.
3. Papers and correspondence presented, re Forest reserves, Algonquin
Park and Pembroke Lumber Company, 49. (Sessional Papers No.
72.) Printed.
4. Question as to original date of issue of license to, etc., 215.
5. Question as to negotiations re sale of timber rights, 301, See Timber.
Pembroke, Town of :
Petition for Act respecting, 149. Reported, 161. Bill (No. 134), intro-
duced and referred, 163. Reported, 264. Second reading, 299.
House goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 86.)
Peterborough^ City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 59. Reported, 64. Bill (No. 58), intro-
duced and referred, 136. Reported, 211. Second reading, 224.
House goes into Committee on, 266, 325. Third reading, 355.
R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 136.)
Peterborough Radial Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 11), intro-
duced and referred, 34. Reported, 95. Second reading, 112, House
goes into Committee on, 128. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 124.)
Peterborough, St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church:
Petition for Act to enable Trustees to sell certain lands, 19. Reported,
53. Bill (No. 30), introduced and referred to Commissioners of
Estate Bills, 55. Reported and referred to Committee on Private
Bills, Y6-7. Reported; fees remitted, 120. Second reading, 147.
House goes into Committee on, 149. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 137.)
Pharmacy Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Police Magistrates Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
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Political Contributions: — See Elections.
Porcupine Rand Belt Electric Railway: — See Statute Law Amenament
Ad.
Port Arthur, City of:
Petition for Act respecting, 135. Reported, 140. Bill (Xo. 34), intro-
duced and referred, 142. Reported, 211. Second reading, 224.
House goes into Committee on, 260. Third reading 285. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 88.)
Power Commission Act:
1. Bill (jSTo. 19'6), introduced to amend and to confirm certain Muni-
cipal By-laws and Contracts, 320. Second reading, 364. House goes
into Committee on, 364. Third reading, 364. R. A., 413. (4 Geo.
V. c. 16.)
2. Return presented, to an Order of the House of the Session of 1913,
of copies of Orders-in-Council passed under section 8 of the Act, 312.
(Sessional Papers No. 97.) Not printed.
Printing :
1. Committee appointed 28. Report, 239, 334. Concurred in on division,
282, 337.
2. Recommend the purchase/ of certain publications, 242, 336.
Prison Farm: — See GuelpJi.
Private Bills :
1. Committee appointed, 16, 26. Report, 59, 105, 120, 135, 141, 174,
211, 234, 263, 280, 301.
2. Recommend extension of time, 106, 121, 174, 234, 269, 363.
3. Xew rules adopted, 313.
Prisons and Reformatories :
Report presented, 312. (Sessional Papers No. 26.) Printed.
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Private Detectives' Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Privileges and Elections :
Committee appointed, 25. No report.
Procreation :
Bill (No. 123), introduced concerning operations to prevent, 111. Order
for second reading discharged, 213.
Provincial Archivist :
Report presented, 268. (Sessional Papers No. 51.) Printed.
Provincial Auditor:
1. Statements of, presented, 109. (Sessional Papers No. 66.) Printed.
2. Resolution re salary of, 390.
Provincial Conference :
1. Question as to Resolution of re Salary of Lieutenant-Governor and
Provincial Subsidies, 37.
2. Minutes of Proceedings presented, 109. (Sessional Papers No. 67.)
Printed.
Provincial Loans Act :
Bill CN'o. 172), introduced to amend. 222. Second reading, 267. House
goes into Committee on, 294. Third reading, 355. R.A., 413. (4
Geo. V. c. 8.)
Provincial Municipal Auditor:
Report presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. 8.) Printed.
Provincial Parks Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Provincial Secretary:
Announces prorogation, 414.
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Provincial Securities :
Return ordered, showing what have been sold by Province, since October
31st, 11>12, date, name, etc., 44. Presented, 80. (Sessional Papers^
No. 6Jf.) Xot printed.
PuiiLic Accounts Committee:
1. Committee appointed. 26. Public Accounts, 1913, referred to, 45^
Public Ac<?ounts, 1912, referred to 44. Report, 364.
2. Motion proposed and negatived, that Deputy Minister of Lands, For-
ests and Mines produce quantity and value of timber, 309.
3. Financial statements, etc., referred to, 287, 293.
Publication of Contributions for Political Purposes: — See Elections.
Public Health Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Public Institutions:
1. Return ordered showing names of tenderers for supply of coal for. etc.,.
38. Presented, 160. (Sessional Papers No. 74-) Not printed.
2. Petition re admission of certain patients to, 74.
Public Officers" Fees Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Public Schools Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Public Service:
Motion proposed, that the Patronage System is inimical to; superseded by
amendment, 66-7.
Public Service Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Public Utilities Act:
Bill CSo. 84), introduced to amend, 55. Second reading and referred to
Municipal Committee. 101. Reported, 301. House goes into Com-
mittee on, 352. Third reading, 365. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 35. )
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Public Works:
Report presented, 68. (Sessional Papers No. 13.) Printed.
PuLPwooD, Export of:
Bill (Xo. Ill), introduced respecting, 95. Second reading, 128. House
goes into Committee on, 153. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 12.)
o
UEEN'S PARK:
Bill (Xo. 163), introduced to amend the Act relating to the Avenue and
approaches to, 184. Order for second reading discharged, 312.
QuEEX Victoria Niagara Falls Park:
1. Report presented, 268. (Sessional Papers No. 9.) Printed.
2. Report of 1912, referred to Public Accounts Committee, 172.
■Questions :
1. A question directed to be removed from Order Pai>er, 143.
2. Questions as to amount expended on Statute Revision, etc., 20, 106,
257.
3. As to seizure of liquor in Local Option territory in X. Grey, 20.
4. — As to visit of Provincial Treasurer to Europe re Public Ownership of
Telephones, 21.
5. As to expenditure on Government House, 35.
6. As to total capital cost of T. & X. O. Railway, etc., 36.
7. As to appointment of William Smuck, as License Inspector for E. Elgin,
36.
8. As to application of Canadian Xorthern Ontario Railway re land
granted, 37.
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9. As to Resolution of Inter-Provincial Conference re Salary of Lieu-
tenant-Governor and Subsidies, 37.
10. As to additional accommodation for Winter Fair at Guelph, 38.
11. As to appointment of W. K. Snider as Provincial License Inspector,
etc., 41.
12. As to expenditure on \yorkmen's Compensation Commission, 42..
13. As to construction of Lake Huron and Northern Ontario Railway,
etc., 43.
14. As to application by Municipalities to Hydro-Electric Commission for
construction of Electric Railways. 45.
15. As to amount raised of the $5,000,000 authorized under 2 Geo. V.
c. 2, 60.
16. As to number of Model Schools established in 1913, 00,
17. As to amount in hand, unexpended, under Statute, 61.
18. As to estimated Statutory Expenditure for 1914 61.
19. As to sale of pine timber at Emerald Lake, 61.
20. As to publication of Statement of Receipts and Ex]ienditures of
T. k ^. O. R. and Ilydrn-Electrie Commission, 65.
21. As to fines imposed for violation of li(]Uor law on vessels, 65.
22. As to ownership of Fruit Dciiuinstratidii Farms, (56.
23. As to radium-bearing ore in Ontario, d^y.
24. As to appointment of Inspector under Building Trades Protection
Act, 74.
25. As to Statutory Exponditiirr-s for 1913. 75,
26. As to item of $11,000 in naino of Wv. Reannic, 75.
27. As to amounts Government anthoi'izcd to borrow 75.
28. As to supplies furnished to officials at Whitby Asylum Farm, 79.
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29. As to domestic servants and farm labourers admitted to Province, 79.
30. As to expenditure at Jordan Fruit Experimental Station and re Hark-
ness, 80.
31. As to number of female factory inspectors employed, 95.
32. As to persons interviewed by Mr. Snider in Welland, 96.
33. As to persons interviewed by ]\Ir. Snider in Huron.
34. As to persons interviewed by Mr. Snider in Peel, 96.
35. As to number of patients in Woodstock Hospital for Epileptics, 97.
36. As to number of patients in Orillia Institute, 97.
37. As to appointment of Commissioner for Children's Court, 97.
38. As to present license Inspector at Kenora, etc., 98.
39. As to present license inspector in X. Waterloo, 98.
xO. As to time of distribution of Revised Statutes, 106.
H. Afl to expenditure in connection with Asylum at Whitby, 114.
42. As to expenditure in connection with Guelph Prison Farm, 115.
43. As to notification to High School Trustees that grants will be reduced;
117.
44. As to pereons interviewed by ]\Ir. Snider in Huron, 117.
45. As to persons interviewed by ^Ir. Snider in Welland, 117.
46. As to action of Government re license inspector for X. Waterloo, 117.
47. As to Anti-treating Legislation, 143, 308.
48. As to engagement of A. H. Walker at Almonte School, 143.
49. As to pri\'ilege to cut timber granted to Black and Weegar. 144.
50. As to filling Bursarship at Kingston Asylum, 144.
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51. As to capital expenditure on T. (Sc N. O. B.., amount, etc., 151.
52. As to filling of position vacated by Henri St. Jacques, 151.
53. As to instruction in bee-keeping at Agricultural College, 158.
51. As to open bars in road houses on Sandwich, Windsor and Amherst-
burg Railway, 158.
55. As to compensation to Sir W. Meredith as Commissioner on Work-
men's Compensation Act, IGl.
56. As to sale in quantities by holders of shop licenses, 161.
57. As to present license inspector in N. Essex, 164, 270, 388.
58. As to maintenance of Consolidated School at Guelph, 184.
59. 'As to investigation by Dr. Merchant, on question of Technical Educa-
tion, 185.
60. As to time of establishment of French-English ^Nlodel School at Vank-
leek Hill, 213.
61. As to time of establishment of English-French Model School at
Ottawa, 214.
62. As to establishment of English-French Model School in Essex County,
214.
63. As to time of establishment of English-French Model School at Plan-
tagenet, 306.
64. As to time of establishment of English- French Model School at Stur-
geon Falls, 307.
65. As to number of training school's in Province prior to 1905, 215.
66. As to date of issue of timber licenses to Pembroke Lumber Company,
215.
67. As to granting or patenting lots 32 and 33 in Township of Laurier,
271.
68. As to Ontario Homes Company. Ltd.. 309.
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69. As to steps taken to carry out suggestions of 11. G. Acres re Grand
Kiver, 320.
70. As to inspection of Woodbine Hotel, .'»21.
71. As to personnel of License Oommissioners for Toronto, 322.
72. As to prosecutions against McConkey license, 322.
73. As to whether Toronto paid to Hydro Coniniission annual proj)ortion
of charges, 330,
74. As to whether ]\Iunicipalities paid an interest charge to Hydro Com-
mission, 330.
75. As to whether Municipalities paid proportion of sinking fund to Hydro
Commission. 331.
76. As to construction of Xiagara River Boulevard, 361.
77. -As to negotiations with Pembroke Lumber Company, 361.
78. As to sale of timber in Townships of Thistle and McWilliams, 362.
79. As tb J. E. Stone being Treasurer of S. Essex Conservative Associa-
tion, etc., 388.
80. As to whether Government had sent to Government of Canada, a
Resolution in reference to Hydro-Electric Railways, 406.
81. As to names of those Municipalities in Xiagara District, which have
not paid their proportion of sinking fund due to Hydro Commission,
407.
82. As to amonnt of sinking fund due to Hydro Commission, by City of
Toronto, 407.
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\CIXG SUPERVISORS:
Bill (Xo. 145). introduced to incorporate a Board of, 142. Order for
second reading discharged, 213.
Radium :
Bill (No. 88), introduced respecting, 60. Resolutions introduced, Lieu-
tenant-Governor's recommendations signified ; passed through Com-
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mittee and referred to Bill, 122-3. Second reading, 124. House goes
into Committee on, 153, 353. Third reading, 355. K. A., 413. (4
Geo. V. c. 15.)
Randall^ Samuel William :
Petition for Act to change name, 19. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 2), intro-
duced and referred, 38. Reported, 59. Second reading, 78. House
goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 283. R, A., 290. (4
Geo. V. c. 140.)
Railways :
Committee appointed, 16, 25. Report, 95, 129, 162, 174, 268.
Reaume^ Hon. .T. O. :
Question as to item of $11,000 appearing in Public Accounts, in name of,
75.
Refuge^ Houses of:
Petition re admission certain patients to, 74.
Registey Act :
1. Bill (Xo. 105), introduced to amend, 84. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 170. Reported, 301. House goes into Com-
mittee on, 352. Provisions Embodied in Bill (No. 157). See helow.
2. Bill (Xo. 157), introduced to amend, 163. Second reading, 193.
House goes into Committee on, 236. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 23.)
3. Report of Inspector presented, 287. (Sessional Papers No. 7.)
Printed.
(Representation Act :
Bill (Xo. 138), introduced respecting representation of the People in
the Legislative Assembly, 136. Second reading and referred to a
Select Committee, 177. Reported, 325. House goes into Committee
on, 359, 387, 392. Motion for third reading; amendments proposed
and negatived, 392-406. Third reading on division, 406. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 4.)
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KoNDEAU Provincial Park :
Regulations presented, 39. (Sessional Papers No. 57.) Printed.
Eoss, Sir Gkorge W. :
Honse adjourns out of respect to memory of, 56.
Royal Ontario Museum :
Bill (No. 87), introduced respecting, 60. Motion for second reading and
amendment proposed and negatived; second reading, 194-5. House
goes into Committee on, 212. Third reading, 362. R. A., 413. (4
Geo. V. c. 50.)
Russell^ Township of:
Petition for Act to confirm certain By-law, 78. Reported, 82. Bill (I^o.
66), introduced and referred, 83. Reported, 136. Second reading,
148. House goes into Committee on, 190. Third reading, 285.
R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 89.)
O T. CATHARmES, CITY OF:
Petition for Act respecting, 59. Reported, 140. Bill (]!^o. 60), intro-
duced and referred to Railway and Municipal Board, 142. Reported
and referred to Committee on Private Bills, 182. Reported, 280.
Second reading, 300. House goes into Committee on, 306. Third
reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 90.)
St. Clair Beach^ Village of:
Petition for Act to incorporate, 69. Reported, 119. Bill (N"o. 62),
introduced and referred, 136. Reported, 174. Second reading on
division, 223. House goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading
on division, 292. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 91.)
St. Jacques^ Henri :
• 1. Question as to filling position occupied hy, 51.
2. Return ordered, of correspondence with, 139. Not brought down.
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8t. Mary's Cot.t.kge. ^Iontk'Kai. :
Petition for Act to amend Act incorporating:, 18. Reported, 58. Bill
(jS^o. 37), introduced and referred, 74. Reported; fees remitted.
120. Second reading, 147. House goes into Committee on, 180,
Third reading, 2^^. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 132.)
St. Paul's Ciiirch, Tokonio:
Petition for Act to vest certain lands in, 95. Reported, 161. Bill (]^o.
97), introduced and referred to Commissioners of Estate Bills, 163.
Reported and referred to Committee on Private Bills, 20.9. Report-
ed; fees remitted, 263. Second reading, 299. House goes into Com-
mittee on, 329. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c.
138.)
Sanatoria for Consumptives:
Bill (No. 139), introduced respecting, 136. Second reading, 177. House
goes into Committee on, 187. Resolutions introduced; Lieutenant-
Governor's recommendation signified ; passed through Committee and
referred to Bill, 190. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 56.)
Sandwich, Windsou and Amiierstburg Railway:
1. Petition for relief re insufficient accommodation for the public on, 74.
2. Question as to open bars in Roadhouses on the, 158.
♦Sarnia, City of:
Petition for Act to incorporate, 46. Reported, 119. Bill (No. 52).
introduced and referred, 121. Reported, 224. Second reading, 256.
House goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading, 286, R. x\.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 92.)
Sarnia, Town of:
Petition, for Act to coutirni a certain By-law, 95. Reported, 119. Bill
(No. 92), introduced and referred, 122. Reported, 141. Second
reading, 151. House goes into Committee on, 158. Third reading,
285. R. A.. 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 93.)
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Sault Stk. ^Iakie, City of:
1. Petition for Act respecting the City of, F. II. Clergue and the Lake
Superior Dry Dock and Construction Co., Ltd., 25. Reported, 63.
IHU (Xo. 42), introduced and referred, 65. Reported, 106. Second
reading, 113. House goes into Committee on, 148, 233. Third
reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 95.)
2. Bill (Xo. 50), introduced on suspended Rule, 281. Reported, 30L
Second reading, 328. House goes into Committee on, 351. Third
reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 94.)
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Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton Young ]Men's Christian Association.
Petition for Act to confirm a Mortgage made by, 135. Reported, 162.
Bill (No. 59), introduced and referred, 162. Reported; fees re-
mitted, 280. Second reading, 300. House goes into Committee on.
306. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 133.)
ScoLLARD^ Bishop: — See Education.
Scott Act : — See Liquor License Law. Snider, W. K.
Secretary and Registrar:
Report presented, 268. (Sessional Papers No. 19.) Printed.
Sheriffs Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Shuniah, Municipality of :
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 63. Bill (No. 31), intro-
duced and referred, 64. Reported, 211. Second reading, 224. House
goes into Committee on, 266. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4
Geo. V. c. 96.)
Smuck, William :
1. Question as to appointment of, as License Inspector for East Elgin,
36.
2. Return ordered, shewing application for license of; the granting there-
of, etc., 55. Presented, 149. (Sessional Papers No. 66.) Not
printed.
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Smytji^ J. A. :
Return ordered of correspondence with reference to performance of duties,
407. Not brought down.
Snider^ W. K. :
1. Question re appointment of, as Provincial License Inspector, 41.
2. Questions re persons interviewed by, in Welland, 96, 117.
3. Questions re persons interviewed in Huron, 96, 117.
4. Questions re persons interviewed in Peel, 96.
5. Motion for appointment of Committee to enquire into circumstances
of visits of, to Welland, Huron and Peel; negatived, 318-19.
Social and Industrial Problems : — See Unemployment.
Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association :
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 6), introduced
and referred, 34. Reported, 59. Second reading, 78. House goes
into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo.
V. c. 134.)
Speaker, Mr. :
1. Reports that he had obtained copy of Speech, 10.
2. Reads letter from Sir James Whitney, 15.
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3. Resolution asking Mr. Speaker to convey gratification of House, upon
recovery of Sir Tames, 15.
4. Informs House that ho had actod in accordance therewith, 17.
5. That Reports had been received from Railway and Municipal Board,
57, 104, 134, 173. 182, 188, 263.
\ 6. That Reports had been received from Commissioners of Estate Bills.
76, 209.
7. Rulings of. 84. «0. 87. 133. 143. 157. 168. 170. 405.
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j 8. Pro tempore speaker elected, 133-4.
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9. Directs the Clerk to remove Question from Order Paper, 143.
10. Presents Report of Librarian, 325.
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•SPEEcri: ^Qe Lieutenant-Governor.
•Special Classes Act :
Bill (Xo. 122), introduced to amend. 111. Order for second reading-
discharged, 190.
iStaxdixg Orders :
j 1. Committee appointed, 26. Report, 32, 53, 63, 81, 119, 140, 161, 183,
220.
2. Recommend extension of time 33, 82, 120, 183, 221.
3. Recommend that the attention of the Private Bills Committee be called
to certain matter, 141.
Statioxary Engineers Act:
Bill (ISTo. 156), introduced to amend, 163. Second reading, 225. House
goes into Committee on, 237. Third reading, 292. R. A., 413. (4
Geo. V. c. 28.)
Statute Labour:
Bill {'^o. 89), introduced respecting, 65. Second reading and referred
to the Municipal Committee, 102, Ko report.
Statutory Appropriations :
1. Motions to amend Resolutions of Supply, so as to sihow, 346, 350.
2. Point of Order raised re cei-tain statements made bv "Toronto Globe"
in re, 270.
4
Statutory Expenditures :
1. Question as to amount on hand, unexpended, etc., 61.
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2. Question as to amount estimated for 1914, 61.
3. Question as to amount of for 1913, 75.
4. Question as to amount authorized to borrow, 75.
5. Motion in re proposed and negatived, 107. See Supply.
(Statutes and Statute Law Amendment Act 1914.
1. Bill (No. 197), introduced to confirm the Revised Statutes, 1914 and
to correct certain clerical and typographical errors, 325. Second
reading, 258. House goes into Committee on, 387. Third reading,
387. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 2.)
2. Bill (No. 167), introduced ''The Statute Law Amendment Act 1914,"
189. Second reading, 224. House goes into Committee on, 237,
32^, 387, 391. Resolutions introduced; Lieutenant-Governor's re-
, commendation signified ; passed through Committee and referred to
Bill, 390-1. Third reading, 392. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 21.)
3. Statement re distribution presented, 312. (Sessional Papers No. 96.)
Not printed.
4. Question as to amount expended on the Statute Revision, 20.
5. Question as to time ready for distribution, 106.
6. Question as to estimated cost of completion, 257.
7. Motion to strike out $35,000 estimated for Revision, 304.
-Stone, J. E. :
Question as to his being Treasurer of the S. Essex Conservative Associ-
ation, 388.
(Stratford, City of:
Petition for Act to consolidate Debenture Debt of, 59. Reported, 81.
Bill (No. 57), introduced and referred to the Railway and Muni-
cipal Board, 121. Reported and referred to the Committee on Pri-
vate Bills, 182. Reported, 234. Second reading, 256. House goes
into Committee on, 266. Third reading, 286. R. A., 290. (4 Geo.
V. c. 97.)
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»StTcoE8SiON Duties Act:
1. Bill (No. 165), introduced to amend, 189. Second reading, 218.
Resolutions introduced ; Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation sig-
nified; passed througth Committee and referred to Bill, ^27-32. House
goes into Committee on, 236, 311, 327. Third reading, 382. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 10.)
2. Return ordered, shewing if Lieutenant-Governor-in-Council made any
arrangement under Sec. 9 of Act, with any part of the British Domin-
ion, etc., 216. Not brought down.
Sudbury Copper Cliff Suburban Electric Railway Company:
Petition for Act respecting and to consolidate By-law No. 343 of the Town
of Sudbury, 23. Reported, 81. Bill (No. 40), introduced and re-
ferred, 83. Reported, 129. Second reading, 147. House goes into
Committee on, 158. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V.
c. 125.)
Sudbury Sacred Heart College:
Petition for Act to incorporate, 19. Reported, 53. Bill (No. 38), intro-
duced and referred, 55. Reported; fees remitted, 120. Second read-
ing, 147. House goes into Committee on, 189. Third reading, 285.
R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 131.)
Summary Convictions Act : — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
.Supply :
1. House resolves to go into Committee, 31.
2. Estimates presented and referred, 35, 236, 305.
3. Goes into Committee, 71, 72, 102, 108, 125, 159, 180, 278, 286. 295.
317, 322, 331.
4. Financial Statement delivered and Debate on adjourned, 45, 51, 52.
61.
5. Amendments proposed to the Motion "That Mr. Speaker do now leave
the Chair":—
Iviii INDEX 1914
1. Disapproving of presentation to the House of financial state-
ments whicili do not set forth the real character of the finan-
cial transactions of the Government, etc., and Debate on ad-
journed, 62, 67. Negatived, 69.
2. As to incompleteness of Estimates and that House should not
he called upon to vote further supply until the Government
lays before the House a fuller statement of the total estimated
expenditure for the current year, particularly statutory ex-
penditure, negatived, lOY.
3. Condemning policy of Government in alienating large and most
valuable areas of the Public Domain to railway exploiters.
ISTegatived, 315-16. See Lahe Huron and Northern Ontario
Railway.
6. Resolutions of Supply reported, 195, 295, 337.
7. Postponed for Concurrence, 209, 297, 346.
8. Motions proposed and negatived to Resolutions of Supply: —
1. Re handicapping Educational progress of Province, 219.
2. To strike out $25,000 for Government House, 303.
3. To add Estimates of Hydro-Electric Commission, 303.
4. To strike out $35,000 for Statute Revision, 304.
5. To show amount appropriated by Statute,, 346, 350.
6. As t(i unfair attack upon a Mcniher of the House by Super-
intendent of Education, 347.
7. As to control over finances of Provincial University, 348.
8. As to Grovernment House, 348.
9. House resolves to go into Committee of Ways and Means, 31.
10. Goes into Committee, 350.
11. Bill of Supply (Xo. 198), introduced and read a first, second and
third time, 350-1. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 1.)
1914 iiNDEX lix
♦SURKOGATE CoURTS AcT :
1. Bill (No. 106), introduced to amend, 189. Second reading, 218.
Resolutions introduced ; Lieutenant-Governor's recommendation sig-
nified ; passed tlirougih (committee and referred to Bill, 226-7. House
goes into Committee on, 237. Order for third reading, discharged,
357.
2. Order-in-Council presented re payments in York and Simcoe, 62.
(Sessional Papers No. 61.) Not printed.
Surveys Act:
Bill (No. 144), introduced to amend, 142. Second reading, 172.
House goes into Committee on, 187. Third reading, 292. E. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 27.)
rpAYLOR, SCOTT & CO.:
1. Return ordered, shewing amount received by Government for work
done by prisoners at Central Prison, 43. Presented, 118. (Session-
al Papers No. 6S.) Not printed.
2. Return ordered, of copy of evidence given before Penetanguishene In-
vestigation Commission by Mr. Taylor, etc., 145. Presented, 188.
(Sessional Papers No. 83.) Not printed.
Technical Education :
Question re investigation by Dr. Merchant, 185.
Telephones and Telephone Act :
1. Question as to Visit of Provincial Treasurer to Europe re Public
ownership of, 21.
2. Motion regretting that the Treasurer has not submitted to Legislature
a report of the result of investigations in Great Britain, etc., amend-
ment proposed and Debate on adjourned, 179-80. Debate resumed
and amendment carried, 185-6.
]X INDEX 1914
3. Bill (Xo. 195), introduced to amend the Act. 318. Second reading,
328. House goes into Committee on, 358. Third reading, 358. R.
A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 32.)
Temiskaming^ Judicial District of: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Temiskaming and X. O. Railway :
li Bill (Xo, 79), introduced to amend the Act relating to. 41. Second
reading negatived, 100.
2. Report of Commission presented, 118. (Sessional Papers No. ^7.)
Printed.
3. Expenditures and Financial Statements of referred to Committee on
Public Accounts. 287, 293.
4. Mining Engineer Coles report presented, 389. (Sessional Papers No.
S8.) Printed.
5. Question as to total capital cost of. Elk Lake Branch, etc. 36.
6. Question as to compliance with Resolution of House re statement
of expenditure, 65.
7. Question as to privilege to cut timber at Mileage 7914, 144.
8. Question as to Capital Expenditure on; amount, etc., 151.
9. Return ordered, relative to statement of receipts and expenditures.
etc., 152. Not brought down.
10. Return ordered, shewing Passes issued over, 272. Not brought down.
11. Return ordered, shewing quantity of settlers effects delivered over,
272. Presented, 354. (Sessional Papers No. 100.) Xot printed.
Territorial Divisions Act :
Bill (Xo. 183), introduced to amend. 265. Second reading, 282. House
goes into Committee on, 294, 382. Third reading, 282. R. A.. 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 3.)
Text Books : — See Education.
1914 INDEX Ixi
Theatres and CiNEMAxoGBAfii Act: — See ^'Statute Laic Amendment Act.
Thistle and Mc Williams, Township of: — See Timber.
.Ticket Speculation :
Bill (No. 135), introduced for the better prevention of, 13G. Second
reading and referred to the Legal Committee, 178. Reported, 313.
House goes into Committee on, 352. Third reading, 356. R. A..
413. (4Geo. V. c. 39.)
Tile Drainage Act:
Bill (Xo. 176), introduced to amend, 265. Second reading, 282. House
goes into Committee on, 294, 382. Third reading, 382. R. A., 413.
(4 Geo. V. c. 18.)
Timber and Timber Limits :
1. Bill (ISTo. 147), introduced respecting the purchase of the Pembroke
Lumber Company Rights, 143. Resolutions introduced ; Lieutenant-
Governor's recommendation signified. Amendment proposed and
negatived, 175. Passed through Committee and referred to Bill, 175.
House goes into Committee on, 225. Third reading; amendment
negatived, 360. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 13.)
2. Return ordered, shewing what limits, or areas, sold by Government
since January 1st, 1913; total area; price, etc., 38. Presented, 104.
(Sessional Papers No. 65.) Xot printed.
3. Return ordered, shewing if Government granted right to cut, to Foley
Bros, or Xorthern Construction Coy., etc., 363. Xof brought down.
4. Question as to pine sold at Emerald Lake on Timigami Reserve, 61.
5. Question as to privilege to cut, granted to Black & Weegar, 144.
6. Question as to date upon which Government decided to sell, in Town-
ships of Thistle and MoWilliams, 362.
7. Motion proposed and negatived, that Deputy Minister attend before
Public Accounts Committee and produce quantity and valuation of,
in Townships of Thistle and McWilliams, 309.
INDEX 1H14
Toronto, Baekie and Orillia Railway Company :
Petition for Act respecting, 78. Reported, 120. Bill (No. 68), intro-
duced and referred, 122. Reported, 174. Second reading, 186,
Honse goes into Committee on, 305. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 126.)
Toronto, City of :
1. Petition for Act respecting, 40. Reported, 82. Bill (No. 45), intro-
duced and referred, 83. Reported, 234. Second reading, 257.
House goes into Committee on, 352. Third reading, 365. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 98.)
2. Petition respecting the Street Car Service upon Queen Street East,
■ 69. Reported, 82. Bill (No. 65), introduced and referred, 83. Re-
ported, 162. Second reading, 186. House goes into Committee on,
223. Third reading, 285. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 100.)
3. Petition for Act relatin.o' 'to purchase of T.<^nil;>ard Street land, 222.
Bill (No. 170), introduced and referred, 222. Reported, 264.
Second reading, 299. House goes into Committee on, 329. Third
reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 99.)
4. Question as to who are License Commissioners for, 322.
Toronto, St. Paul's Church :
Petition for Act to vest certain lands in, 95. Reported, 161. Bill (No
97). introduced and referred to Commissioners of Estate Bills, 163.
Reported and referred to Committee on Private Bills, 209. Report-
ed; fees remitted, 263. Second reading, 299. House goes into Com-
mittee on, 329. Thirrl reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c.
138.)
Toronto University:
1. Bill (No. 115), introduced to amend the Act, 115. Order for second
reading, discharged, 148.
2. Report presented, 104. (Sessional Papers No. 18.) Printed.
3. Return ordered, shewing if there was a deficit in financial operations,
etc., 145. Presented, 180. { Sessional Papers No. 81.) Not printed.
1914 INDEX Ixiii
4. Ketiirn ordered, shewing cost of heating plant for the, etc., 151. Pre-
sented, 173. (Sessional Papers No. 78.) Not printed.
5. Motion to amend resolution of vSupply re Control of finances of, 348.
See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Toronto Western Hospital:
Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 32. Bill (No. 7), introduced
and referred, 34. Reported; fees remitted, 301. Second reading,
328. House goes into Committee on, 351, Third reading, 351. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 135.)
Travelling Shows Act: — ^See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Treating Habit:
Amendment proposed to motion for Address to Lieutenant-Governor, 23-4.
See Bar.
Trenton^ Town of :
1. Petition for Act to confirm a certain agreement and By-law, 19. Re-
ported, 81. Bill (No. 12), introduced and referred, 82. Reported,
234. Second reading, 257. House goes into Committee on, 266.
Third reading, 286. R. A., 2i>0. (4 Geo. V. c. 101.)
Petition for Act to confirm a certain agreement and Bv-law, 109. Re-
ported, 220. Bill (No. 108), introduced and referred, 221. Report-
ed, 280. Second reading, 300. House goes into Committee on, 306.
Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 102.)
Truancy Act: — See Statute Laiv Amendment Act.
Trustee AcTs^See Statute Laiv Amendment Act.
u
NEMPLOYMENT :
1. Amendment proposed for motion for Address to Lieutenant-Governor
in re, 14. Negatived, 22.
2. Motion in re proposed and declared out of order bv ^Ir. Speaker, 169-70.
Ixiv INDEX 1914
University Act :
Bill (Xo. 115), introduced to amend, 115. Order for second reading dis-
charged, 148. See Statute Law Amendment Act. Toronto University.
VEGETABLE GROWERS ASSOCIATION:
Report presented, 279. (Sessional Papers No. SJ/..) Printed.
4
Veterinary College:
Report presented, 324. (Sessional Papers No. 31.) Printed.
Voters' Lists Act:
1. Bill (No. 71), introduced to amend, 15. Order for second reading
discharged, 170.
2. Bill (Xo. 101), introduced to amend, 83. Second reading and referred
to Municipal Committee, 112.
3. Bill (Xo. 103), introduced to amend, 84. Second reading and re-
ferred to Municipal Committee, 157. See Election Law.
w
AGES ACT :
Bill (Xo. 174), introduced to amend 235. Second reading and referred
to the Legal Committee, 267.
Walker, A. H. :
1. Question as to engagement of, at Almonte High School, 143.
2. Return ordered, of correspondence with Board of Trustees of Almonte
Hiirh School as to engagement of, etc., 272. Presented, 389. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 10-1.) Xot printed.
1914 INDEX IXV
.Wallaceburg, Town of:
Petition for Act to eontirni a e(M-taiu l>y-la\v, -Hi. Iicjiortt^d, S2. Bill (No.
56), introduced and referred, 221. Reported, 264. Second read-
ing, 300. IToiise goes into Committee on, 329. Third reading, 356.
R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 103.)
Walter^ Ferdinand:
Return ordered, of correspondence M'ith, as to the administration of the
liquor* license law in N. Waterloo, etc., 176. Not brought down.
Waterloo, Town of:
Petition for xict respecting, 19. Reported, 53. Bill (Xo. 27), intro-
duced and referred, 54. Reported, 120. Second reading, 147.
House goes into Committee on, 149. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
290. (4 Geo. V. c. 104.)
Wei.land, Town of:
Petition for Act to confirm By-law Xo. 632, 20. Reported, 32. Bill
(Xo. 22), introduced and referred, 35. Reported, 59. Second read-
ing, 78. House goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284.
R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 105.)
Weston, Village of:
Petition for Act respecting, 47. Reported, 162. Bill (Xo. 49), intro-
duced and referred, 263. Second reading, 299. House goes into
Committee on, 329. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V.
c. 107.
Wheatley, Village of:
Petition for Act to incorporate, 20. Reported, 33. Bill (Xo. 20), intro-
duced and referred, 41. Reported. 59. Second reading. 78. House
goes into Committee on, 112. Third reading, 284. R. A., 290.
(4 Geo. V. c. 108.)
Whitby Asylum and Farm :
1. Question as to supplies furnished to officials at, 79.
2. Question as to total amount expended at, etc., 114.
JOUR-E
Ixvi INDEX 1914
Whitney^ Sir James:
1. Mr. Speaker reads letter from, to the House, expressing appreciation
of sympatliy, etc., 15.
2. Resolution that Mr. Speaker be asked to convey to Sir James, gratifi-
cation of House upon recovery, 15.
3. Mr. Speaker informs House that he has acted in accordance therewith,
17.
4. Leave of absence granted for the Session, 106.
WiiiTsoN^ Mr. :
His Report presented on road cionstruction in Northern Ontario, 154.
(Sessional Papers No. 73.) Printed.
WiARTON^ Town of:
Petition for Act respecting and the Canada Casket Company, 154. Re-
ported, 221. Bill (No. 153), introduced and referred, 235. Re-
ported, 280. Second reading, 301. House goes into Committee on,
306. Third reading, 356. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 109.)
WrLLs Act: — See Statute Law Amendment Act.
Windsor, City of:
1. Petition for Act to confirm By-law No. 1538, 10. Reported, 63. Bill
(No. 24), introduced and referred, 64. Reported, 105. Second
reading, 113. House goes into Committee on, 128. Third reading,
284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 110.)
2. Petition for Act respecting, 19. Reported, 63. Bill (No. 25), intro-
duced and referred, 64. Reported, 105. Second reading, 113.
House goes into Committtee on, 148. Third reading, 284. R. A.,
200. (4 Geo. V. c. 111.)
3. Petition for Act to confirm a certain By-law and agreement, 20. Re-
ported, 63. Bill (No. 26), introduced and referred, 64. Reported,
105. Second reading, 113. House goes into Committee on, 128.
Third reading, 284. R. A., 290. (4 Geo. V. c. 112.)
1914 INDEX Ixvii
4. Petition for Act resiK3cting and the Hydro-Electric Power Commis-
sion, 114. Not proceeded with.
Women :
1. Bill (No. 70), introduced to entitle married women to vote at Muni-
cipal Elections, 15. Motion for second reading and debate on ad-
journed, 70, 152. Second reading negatived, 155.
2. Bill (No. 75), introduced to entitle married women, who are property
owners, to vote at Municipal Elections, 21. Order for second reading
discharged, 213.
3. Bill (No. 125), introduced to prohibit the employment of women by
Orientals, 114. Order for second reading discharged, 212-13.
4. Petitions respecting enfranchisement of, 47, 233.
Women's Institutes:
Report presented, 238. {Sessional Papers No. 41.) Printed.
.Woodbine Hotel:
Question as to inspection of, for safety appliances, 321.
Woodstock Hospital:
Question as to total number of patients in, 97.
Woekmen's Compensation :
1. Bill (No. 107), introduced to provide Compensation to Workmen for
Injuries sustained, 84. Resolutions introduced, Lieutenant-Gover-
nor's recommendation signified, passed through Committee and re-
ferred to Bill, 123-4. Motion for second reading and debate on ad-
journed, 125. Second reading, 127. House goes into Committee on,
134, 157, 266, 283, 326. Third reading; amendment negatived,
366-67. R. A., 413. (4 Geo. V. c. 25.)
2. Report of Commissioner presented, 148. (Sessional Papers No. 53.)
Printed.
3. Question as to expenditure by Commissioner, 42.
4. Question as to compensation to Commissioner, 164.
1 ... INDEX
Ixviii
ORK, TOWNSHIP OF:
1914
Petition for Act respecting, 20. Reported 81. Bill (No. 35) intro-
duced and referred, 114. Reported, 234 Second reading 257.
House goes intp Committee on, 298. Third reading, 355. R. A.,
413. (4 Geo. V. c. 113.)
LIST OF SESSIONAL PAPERS
Presented to the Housbi During the Session.
Title.
A.ccounts, Public
/Agricultural College, Report
/Agricultural and Experimental Union, Report
A-gricultural Societies, Report
/Agriculture, Department of. Report
/Almonte High School, correspondence
tAlgonquin Park Forest Reserve
/Archivist, Report
/Auditor, Statement of
Bee-Keepers', Report
Bilingual Schools, correspondence with Bishop Fallon . .
Bilingual Schools, correspondence with Bishop Scollard
Births, Marriages and Deaths, Report
Canada Temperance Act, attitude of officials in Welland
Children, Dependent, Report
3oal supply for Public Institutions
Colcock, N.B., moneys advanced to
dole's Report, Mining Engineer T. & N.O
Common Gaols, official regulations
Consolidated Revenue Fund, Orders-in-Council
Corn Growers' Association, Report
Dairymen's Association, Report
Division Courts, Report • .
Division Courts, Revised Rules and Orders
Education, Report
Education, Orders-in-Council
Education, grants to rural public schools
Education, investigation by Dr. Merchant
Education, grants withheld
Education, correspondence, Almonte School
Education, authorized text-books
[Ixix]
No.
Remarks
1
Printed.
30
u
32
«
42
((
29
u
103
Not Printed.
72
Printed.
51
((
54
it
37
Printed.
101
Not Printed.
102
u
20
Printed.
76
Not Printed.
27
Printed.
74
Not Printed.
60
a
88
Printed.
92
u
63
Not Printed.
35
Printed.
38
Printed.
5
a
71
u
17
Printed.
55
(C
77
Not Printed.
86
a
98
a
103
it
104
((
Ixx
INDEX
1914
Title.
No.
Remarks.
Elections, return from Records
Electric Railways, Report for or against
Employers' Liability, for Compensation to Employees
Entomological Society, Report
Epileptics Hospital, Report
Estimates •
Factories, Report
Farmers' Institutes, Report
Feeble-minded, Report
Forest Reserves — Pembroke Lumber Company
Friendly Societies, Report
Fruit Growers', Report
Fruits of Ontario •
Game and Fish, Report
Goodman, prosecution of correspondence
Good Roads Commission, Report
Grand River, overflow, correspondence
Guelph Prison Farm, buildings erected
Hamilton Athletic Association, correspondence
Health, Report
Health, Special Report
Highway Improvement, Report
Horticultural Societies, Report
Hospitals and Charities, Report
Hospitals and Charities, Regulations
Hydro-Electric Power Commission, Report
Hydro-Electric Power Commission, moneys spent on line
from Morrisburg to Prescott
Idiots and Epileptics, Report
Industrial Farms, Official Regulations
Industries, Report of Bureau
Insane Hospitals, Report
Insane Hospitals, Regulations • • • .
Insane Hospitals, Bulletin
Insurance, Report
Kenora, action against, correspondence
Labour, Report
Lands, Forests and Mines, Report
Legal Offices, Report
Library, Report •
50
Printed.
«
a
a
a
o
9
a
46
r ted.
40
u
24
li
72
((
11
Printed.
44
ii
33
11
14
Printed.
59
Not Printed.
84
Printed.
58
Not Printed.
75
i(
79
Not Printed.
21
Printed.
21a
a
15
a
43
a
25
u
91
a
48
(C
87
Not Printed.
23
Printed.
93
(I
45
((
22
((
95
i(
56
a
10
«
70
Not Printed.
16
Printed.
3
((
6
<c
52
Not Printed.
1914
INDEX
Ixxi
Title.
No.
Remarks.
Liquor License Acts, Report
Liquor License Holders in Toronto
Live Stock Associations, Report
Loan Corporations, Statements
Local Option, convictions
l\fercer Reformatory, Regulations
Meredith, Sir William R., moneys paid to . . . .
Murray, Mather & Oo., option to
Mines, Report of Bureau
Municipal Drainage, Order-in-Council
McKelvie, Overseer, conduct of
Northern Ontario, road construction in
Ontario Homes Company, charter of
Ontario Hospitals, Regulations
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board, Report
Ontario Reformatory. Regulations
Ontario Yegetahle Growers', Report
Pemhroke Lumber Company ,
Power Commission Act, Orders-in-Council . . ,
Prison Farm, buildings on ,
Prisons and Reformatories, Report
Provincial Auditor, Statements
Provincial Conference, Proceedings
Provincial Municjnal Auditor, Report
Provincial securities sold
Public Accounts. 1913
Public Health, Report •
Public Institutions, coal for
Public Works, Report
Queen Victoria "N". F. Park, Report
Railway and Municipal Board, Report
Reffistrar-General. Report
Registry Offices, Report
Road Construction in l^orthern Ontario
Rondeau Provincial Park, Regulations
Secretary and Registrar, Report
Smuck, William, license application
Statute distribution
Surrogate Court, Orders-in-Council
28
69
39
12
89
90
80
82
4
85
59
73
Printed.
Not Printed.
Printed.
Not Printed.
Printed.
Not Printed.
u
Printed.
Not Printed.
Printed.
99
Not Printed.
95
Printed.
49
a
94
(I
34
ii
72
Printed.
97
Not Printed.
75
(C
26
Printed.
54
a
67
8
((
64
Not Printed.
1
Printed.
21
((
74
Not Printed.
13
Printed.
Printed.
49
Printed.
20
a
7
u
73
li
57
ii
19
Printed.
66
Not Printed.
96
li
61
u
Ixxii
INDEX
1914
Title.
Taylor. Soott (S: Co., amount received from
Taylor, ^fr., evidence of
Text-books, authorized
Timber Limits, sold
Timiskaming «S: X. O. Rv, Commission, Report
Timiskaining <S: X. O. I\y., Cole's Report
Tiraiskaming & N. O. Ry.. settlers' effects, over
Toronto Liquor License Holders
Toronto University, Report
Toronto University, cost of heating plant
Toronto University, re deficit
Vegetable Growers', Report
Veterinary College, Report
Whitson's Report on road construction in ISTew Ontario
Women's Institutes, Report
Workmen's Compensation, Report
No.
Remarks.
68
Not Printed.
83
a
104
u
65
ii
47
Printed.
88
li
100
Not Printed.
69
u
18
Printed.
78
Not Printed.
81
u
34
Printed.
31
u
73
Printed.
41
C(
53
(I
Papers Ordered But N'ot Brought Down.
Education, correspondence with Henri St. Jacques 139
Hydro-Electric Power Commission, correspondence re the statements
of receipts and ex])enditures 152
Jordan Experimental Fruit Station, correspondence re Mr. Harkness. 146
Kenora, Town of, correspondence re enforcement of liquor license law in 179
Laurier Township, applications received by Department for lots 32
and 33 in 320
Xorth Waterloo, correspondence with Ferdinand Walter as to adminis-
tration of liquor law in 176
Liquor License Law, correspondence with J. A. Smyth 407
Liquor License Law correspondence with Paul ]\rorand 408
Pembroke Lumber Company, .showing consideration paid by licensee to
Government 362
Succession Duties Aft. arrangements imder Sec. 9 with any part of
Brilish Dominions 216
Temiskaming and X. O. Railway Commission correspondence re state-
ments of receipts and expenditures, etc 152
Temi.=kaming and X. O Railway, passes issued 272
Timber, right to cut granted to Foley Bros. . .^ 363
JOURNALS
OF THE
LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY
OF THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO
Wednesday, February 18th, 1914.
PROCLAMATION.
Canada,
Province ot ). JOHN MOEISON GIBSON.
Ontario.
Geoege Fifth, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, King, De-
fender of the Faith, Emperor of India, &c., &c., &c.
To Our Faithful, the Members elected to serve in the Legislative Assembly of
Our Province of Ontario and to every of you — Greeting.
James Joseph Foy, ~) TTTHEEEAS it is expedient for certain causes
Attorney-General. ( VY and considerations to convene the Leo'islative
Assembly of Our said Province, WE DO WILL that you and each of you,
and all others in this behalf interested, on WEDNESDAY, the Eighteenth
day of the month of FEBRUARY now next, at OUR CITY OF TORONTO,
personally be and appear for the Despatch of Business, to treat, act, do and
conclude upon thoie things which, in Our Legislature of the Province of
Ontario by the Common Council of Our said Province, may by the favour of
God be ordained. Herein t?a.il not.
18th February. 1914
In Testimony Whereof, we have caused these Our Letters to be made
Patent, aud the Great Seal of Our Province of Ontario to be here-
unto athxed: Witness, His Honour Sir John Morison Gibson,
Knight Commander of the Most Distinguished Order of St. Michael
and St. George, a Colonel in Our Militia of Canada, &;c., &c., &c.,
Lieutenant-Governor of Our Province of Ontario, at Our Govern-
ment House, in the City of Toronto, in Our said Province, this
Twenty-eighth day of JANUAKY, in the year of Our Lord one
thousand nine hundred and fourteen, and in the Fourth year of Our
Reign.
By Command,
Arthur H. Sydere,
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery.
Wednesday, the Eighteenth day of February, 1914, being the First Day
of the Third fleeting of the Thirteenth Legislature of the Province of Ontario
for the Despatch of Business pursuant to a Proclamation of His Honour Sir
John Morison Gibson, Knight, &c., &c., (Src, Lieutenant-Governor of the Pro-
vince.
Prayers. 3 O'clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House, that he had received notifications of
vacancies which had occurred during and since the last Session of the House,
and had issued his warrants to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery for new
Writs for the Election of Members to serve in the present Legislature for the
following Electoral Districts: —
Grey, Centre;
Grey, North;
Middlesex, East;
Peel, and
York, East.
To The Honovrnhle Willmrn Uenry Eoyle, Speaker of the Legislative
Assembly of the Province of Ontario.
WE, the undersigned James Pliny Whitney. Member for the said Legis-
lative Assembly for the Electoral Division of Dundas ; and Robert Allan Pyne,
Member of the said Legislative Assembly for the Electoral Division of Toronto,
George V. 18th Febeuaby.
East, Seat " A," do hereby notify you that a vacancy has occurred in the repre-
sentation in the said Legislative Assembly for the Electoral Division of Centre
Grey by reason of the acceptance of an office under the CroAvn, to wit : the office
of Provincial Treasurer of the Province, by Isaac Benson Lucas, Member
elect for the said Electoral Division of Centre Grey.
And we the said James Pliny Whitney and Eobert Allan Pyne, Members
of the Assembly aforesaid, hereby require you to issue a new Writ for the
Election of a Member to fill the said vacancy.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, we have hereunto set our hands and seals
on this Thirteenth day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand nine
hundred and thirteen.
Signed and sealed in the presence of
Horace Wallis. 1 J- ?• Whitney, [L.S.]
J R. A. Pyne. [L.S.]
Edmonton, April 12th, 1913.
To the Honourable the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly for Ontario.
Dear Sir,
In accordance with the provisions and requirements of 8 Edward VII.,
Chapter 5, Section 24 (1) (&), I, Alexander Grant MacKay, of the City of
Edmonton, in the Province of Alberta, formerly of the Town of Owen Sound,
in the County of Grey and Province of Ontario, Member of the Legislative
Assembly of the Province of Ontario, do hereby address and cause to be
delivered to you, the Honourable the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of
the Province of Ontario, this my declaration that I do hereby resign my seat
as a Member of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario and the
representative of the Electoral District of North Grey in said Legislative
Assembly, and in the presence of the undersigned, two subscribing witnesses, I
hereunder subscribe my name.
Signed in the presence of the undersigned two witnesses.
W. J. Hanley, ) A. G. MacKay.
Olive Flett. J
IStii February. 1914
To the Honourahh the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Province
of Ontario.
Sir,
I hereby declare my intention of resigning my seat in the Legislative
Assembly of Ontario for the Electoral Division of East York.
And I do hereby resign the same.
And I make this declaration and resignation under my hand and seal in
the presence of the undersigned witnesses.
Signed and sealed on this 11th day of August, A.D. 1913.
Signed and sealed in our presence on the day and year above written.
Horace Wali.is, | ^^ McCowais^ [L.S.]
Arthur H. Svdere. J
To the Honourable the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Province
of Ontario.
Sir.
I hereby declare my intention of resigning my seat in the Legislative
Assembly of Ontario for the Electoral Division of Peel.
And T do hereby resign the same.
And I make this declaration and resignation under my hand and seal in
the presence of the undersigned witnesses.
Signed and sealed on this ^N'inth day of October, A.D. 1913.
Signed and sealed in our presence on the day and year above written.
J- •^- ^°^'- \ S. Charters. [L.S.]
W. J. Hanna. f
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To the ITonourahle the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Province
of Ontario.
WE, the undersigned, Robert Allan Pyne, Member for the said Legislative
A?sembly for the Electoral Division of Toronto East, Seat " A," and James
Stoddart Duff, Member for the said Legislative Assembly fqr the Electoral
Division of West Sinicoe, do hereby notify you that a vacancy has occurred in
the representation in the said Legislative Assembly for the Electoral Division
of East Middlesex by reason of the death of George W. Neely, Member elect
for the said Electoral Division of East Middlesex. And we the said Robert
Allan Pyne and James Stoddart Duff, Members of the Assembly aforesaid,
hereby roiiuire yon to issno a new Writ for the Election of a Member to fill the
said vacancy.
1^ WIT:N"ESS whereof, we have hereunto set our hands and seals on
this Twenty-seventh day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand nine
hundred and thirteen.
Siiiiicd and sealed in the presence of
A. H. L^. CoLQUHOuA, ) R. A. Pyne, [L.S.]
Arthur H. Sydekk. f Jas. S. Duff. [L.S.]
Mr. Speaker also informed the House, That the Clerk had laid upon the
Table the following Certificates: —
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
Tins IS TO Certifv that in virtue of a Writ of Election, dated the
thirteenth day of May, 1913, issued by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
and addressed to Thomas Scott, Esquire, Returning Oflficer for the Electoral
District of Centre Grey, for the election of a Member to represent the said
Electoral District of Centre Grey in the Legislative Assembly of this Province,
in the room of Isaac Benson Lucas, Esquire, who had accepted an office of
emolument under the Crown, to wit: — the office of Provincial Treasurer — the
Honourable Isaac Benson Lucas has been returned as duly elected, as appears
by the Return to the said Writ of Election, dated the third of June, 1913,
which is now lodged of record in my office.
Arthur H. Sydere,
Toronto, January 10th, 1914. Clerk, L. A.,
Ex officio Clerk of the Crown in Chancery.
18th February. 1914
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
This is to Certify that in virtue of a Writ of Election, dated the
nineteenth day of June, 1913, issued by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
and addressed to John Burns, Esquire, Returning Officer for the Electoral
District of North Grey, for the election of a Member to represent the said
Electoral District of North Grey in the Legislative Assembly of this Province,
in the room of Alexander Grant MacKay, Esquire, who had resigned, Colin
Stewart Cameron, Esquire, has been returned as duly elected, as appears by
the Return -to the said \Vrit of Election, dated the twenty-fifth day of July,
1913, which is now lodged of record in my office.
Arthur H. Sydere^
Toronto, January 10th, 1914. Clerk, L. A.,
Ex officio Clerk of the Crown in Chancery.
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
This is to Certify that in virtue of a Writ of Election, dated the
twelfth day of August, 1913, issued by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
and addressed to Joseph Edward Francis, Esquire, Returning Officer for the
Electoral District of East York, for the election of a Member to represent the
said Electoral District of East York in the Legislative Assembly of this Pro-
vince, in the room of Alexander McCowan, Esquire, who had resigned, George
Stewart Henry, Esquire, has been returned as duly elected, as appears by
the Return to the said Writ of Election, dated the seventeenth day of Septem-
ber, 1913, which is now lodged of record in my office.
Arthur H. Sydere,
Toronto, January 10th, 1914. Clerk, L. A.,
Ex officio Clerk of the Crown in Chancerv.
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
This is to Certify that in virtue of a Writ of Election, dated the
ninth day of October, 1913, issued by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
and addressed to Thomas H. Goodison, Esquire, Returning Officer for the
Electoral District of Peel, for the election of a Member to represent the said
Electoral District of Peel in the Legislative Assembly of this Province, in the
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room of Samuel Charters, Esquire, who had resigned, James Robinson Fallis,
Esquire, has been returned as duly elected, as appears by the Return to the
said Writ of Election, dated the seventeenth day of November, 1913, which
is now lodged of record in my office.
Arthue H. Sydeee^
Toronto, January 10th, 1914. Clerk, L. A.,
Ex officio Clerk of the Crown in Chancery.
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
This is to Certify that in virtue of a Writ of Election, dated the
third day of November, 1913, issued by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
and addressed to John Hamilton Barr, Esquire, Returning Officer for the
Electoral District of East Middlesex, for the election of a Member to represent
the said Electoral District of East Middlesex in the Legislative Assembly of
this Province, in the room of George W. Neely, Esquire, who had died, John
McFarlan, Esquire, has been returned as duly elected, as appears by the
Return to the said Writ of Election, dated the second day of December, 1913,
which is now lodged of record in my office.
Arthur H. Sydere^
Toronto, January 10th, 1914. Clerk, L. A.,
Ex officio Clerk of the Crown in Chancery.
Colin Stewart Cameron, Esquire, Member for the Electoral Division
of North Grey; George Stewart Henry, Esquire, Member for the Elec-
toral Division of East York; James Robinson Fallis, Esquire, Member
for the Electoral Division of Peel, and John McFarlan, Esquire, Member for
the Electoral Division of East Middlesex, having taken the Oaths and sub-
scribed the Roll, took their seats.
The House then adjourned during pleasure.
After some time the House resumed.
His Honour Sir John Morison Gibson, Knight, (Src, &c., &c., Lieutenant-
Governor of the Province, then entered the House, and being seated in the
18th Febeuary. 1914
Chair on the Throne, was pleased to open the Session by the following gracious
Speech to the House: —
ilfr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the Legislative Assemhly:
It affords me pleasure to welcome you to the discharge of your duties
at this the Third Session of the Thirteenth Legislature of this Province.
Our thanks are due 'to an over-ruling Providence for the abundant harvest
with which Ontario was blessed during the past year, which has had a steadying
effect on financial and industrial conditions generally.
In common with our fellow-citizens elsewhere throughout Canada the
people of Ontario have experienced great satisfaction from the return of His
Royal Highness, the Governor-General, to this country, accompanied by Her
Royal Highness, the Duchess of Connaught, whose restoration to health has
been a matter of general thankfulness.
My Government was represented at the Interprovincial Conference held
last Fall in the City of Ottawa, in which every Province in the Dominion
participated. The Proceedings of the Conference relating to several important
subjects of public interest will be laid before you for your consideration.
In accordance with the announcement made at the last meeting of the
Legislature, a Commission on Roads and Highways has been appointed and
has begun the preliminary work for a scheme of road improvement throughout
the Province. Public hearings were held at various places by means of which
the views of municipal authorities and various organizations were elicited.
The information thus obtained will be embodied in the Report of the Com-
mission.
An agreement has been reached with the Government of Canada for
carrying out in this Province the provisions of the Agricultural Instruction
Act passed by the Dominion Parliament to cover a period of ten years.
Ontario's first instalment, aggregating $195,000, has been received, and is
being spent along the lines of instruction and demonstration.
It is gratifying to observe the increased interest on the part of the farmers
of the Province in approved agricultural methods. An indication of this is
found in the fact that the attendance at the Ontario Agricultural College is about
double what it was ten years ago, while the number of new students registered
at the opening of the present term shows a marked advance over that of the
previous year. To meet these conditions an enlarged equipment has been pro-
vided and plans for further extensions are now receiving attention.
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The uumber of District Representatives of the Ontario Department of
Agriculture has been increased and the work of the individual Representa-
tives has been made more effective. One marked feature has been the holding
of Rural School Fairs with a view to interesting the rising generation in
better agriculture — seventy of these Fairs having been held during the past
season with marked success. It is hoped to extend this work until the whole
Province is served.
In consequence of the increased consumption of power the Hydro-Electric
Power Commission has been enabled to make a further reduction in the price
of electricity. The Commission has under consideration the duplication of
the main transmission line, and is constructing a high tension line to the
western boundary of the Province. Information regarding radial railway
projects has been furnished to communities asking the assistance of the Com-
mission, while the efforts to interest agriculturists in the use of electricity
have been continued with promising results. During the past year the Com-
mission organized a Department for the inspection of electrical installations
and equipment in order to afford protection to life and property.
The policy of road development in X-orthern Ontario under the special
legislation of 1912 has been extended from the Eastern to the Western bound-
aries of the Province. About 500 miles of roads with the necessary bridges
and drainage facilities were wholly or partially constructed last year, involving
an expenditure of about $1,100,000. The effect of this work upon settlement
and upon the value of farm lands has already been noticeable.
The mineral production of Ontario during the past year was the largest
yet recorded, there having been a considerable increase in the output of nickel,
copper and gold, while the yield of silver was about equal to that of the previous
year. I am glad to know that there is every prospect before the mining
industry of a period of further expansion.
An outstanding feature of the educational situation during the year has
been the extension of industrial training throughout the Province. In nearly
all the large industrial centres evening classes have been organized under the
Industrial Education Act passed in 1913, showing the widespread desire for
this class of instruction.
Sufficient progress has been made in the work on the Central Prison
Farm at Guelph to warrant the anticipation that the Central Prison in Toronto
will be vacated in ISTovember next. The plan of prison reform adopted in
the new institution has passed the experimental stage and is proving satis-
factory in every respect. The labour of the prisoners is being utilized also in
connection with the brick manufacturing plant established at Mimico. the
product of which is used only for public institutions.
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The new Hospital for the Insane at Whitby is now well advanced, and it
is believed that a large section of it will, be completed and afford accommo-
dation for 500 patients by the latter part of the present year.
The Commission appointed to revise and consolidate the Statutes of the
Province, havinir completed its labours, has presented its final Report, which
will be laid before you. In the meantime the distribution has already been
commenced.
During the past year the Province received the Federal Subsidy of
$2,134,000 in aid of the Temiskaming & Northern Ontario Railway. A
regular train service has been inaugurated on the Elk Lake Branch and the
extension to the Abitibi River has been completed. Settlement in the district
served by the Railway continues to advance, while the inquiries made by
prospective settlers afford hopeful indications for the future.
Legislation respecting Compensation to Workmen for Injuries, Repre-
sentation in the Legislative Assembly and other matters of public importance
will come before you for consideration.
The growing financial demands of the Province, consequent upon its
development and the extension of its Public Services and activities, call for
increased expenditures from year to year. To meet these conditions a larger
revenue will be necessary which, with your approval, will be obtained from a
number of available sources on an equitable and reasonable basis.
A serious and protracted illness has befallen my Prime Minister, the
Leader of this House of Assembly, evoking the deep sorrow and sympathy of
the whole Community. It is very gratifying to know that the recovery of
health and strength seems now to be assured.
The Public Accounts will be brought down for your consideration at the
earliest moment, and the Supplementary Estimates for the current year will
be submitted without delay.
It is my earnest hope and belief that your deliberations will serve to
advance the best interests and welfare of this important Province.
His Honour. the Lieutenant-Governor was then pleased to retire.
Mr. Speaker then reported, That, to prevent mistakes, he had obtained a
copy of His Honour's Speech, which he read.
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On motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by .Mr. lieaunie, a \V\\\ was introduced
intituled '' An Act respecting the Administration of Oaths of Office to persons
appointed as Justices of the Peace," and the same was read the first time.
On motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Eeaume,
Ordered, That the Speech of His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor, to
this House, be taken into consideration on Thursday next.
On motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Eeaume,
Resolved, That Select Standing Committees of this House, for the present
Session, be appointed for the following purposes: — 1. On Privileges and
Elections; 2. On Railways; 3. On Miscellaneous Private Bills; 4. On Stand-
ing Orders; 5. On Public Accounts; 6. On Printing; 7. On Municipal Law;
8. On Legal Bills; 9. On Agriculture and Colonization; 10. On Fish and
Game; v^^hich said Committees shall severally be empowered to examine and
enquire into all such matters and things as shall be referred to them by the
House, and to report from time to time their observations and opinions thereon,
with power to send for persons, papers and records.
Mr. Speaker informed the House, That the Clerk had laid upon the
Table:—
A Supplementary Return from the Records of the Elections to the Legis-
lative Assembly, held on the second day of June, the fourteenth day of July,
the eighth day of September, and the third and twenty-seventh days of Novem-
ber, 1913, shewing: —
(1) The number of "Votes Polled for each Candidate in each Electoral
District in which there was a contest; (2) The majority whereby each success-
ful Candidate was returned; (3) The total number of votes polled; (4) The
number of Votes remaining unpolled; (5) The number of names on the Polling
Lists; (6) The number of Ballot Papers sent out to each Polling Place; (7)
The Used Ballot Papers; (8) The Unused Ballot Papers; (9) The Rejected
Ballot Papers; (10) The Cancelled Ballot Papers; (11) The Declined Ballot
Papers; (12) The Ballot Papers taken from Polling Places. (Sessional
Papers No. 50.)
The House then adjourned at 3.45 p.m.
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Tlmrsday, February 19tli, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The followino; Petitions were severally broncht ii]i and laid upon the
Table:—
By ]\Ir. Ilendrie, the Petition of the City Council of Hamilton.
P>y ^h\ Shillington, the Petition of Charles C. Farr and others, of Hailey-
bury, also, the Petition of the Town Council of Cochrane.
By Mr. Ellis, the Petition of the Beechwood Cemetery Comjiany, also, the
Petition of the Ottawa Ladies' College, also, the Petition of the Ottawa
Orphans' Home, also, the Petition of the City Council of Ottawa.
By Mr. McPherson, the Petition of the Sons of Scotland P>oiu'volent Asso-
ciation, also, the Petition of William Randall of Winnipeg.
By Mr. Fallis, the Petition of the Town Council of Brampton.
By Mr. Owens, the Petition of the Toronto Western Hospital.
By Mr. McGarry, the Petition of the Town Council of Arnjirior.
By Mr. McKeown, the Petition of the Town Council of Orangeville.
By j\Ir. Peck, the Petition of the Peterborough Padial Railway Company,
also, the Petition of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Peterborough.
By Mr. Johnson, the Petition of the Town Council of Trenton.
By ]\rr. Jarvis, the Petition of the City Council of Fort William.
By Mr. Champagne, the Petition of the Gananoque and Arnprior Rail-
way Company.
By Mr. Machin, the Petition of James George Guise-Bagley.
By Mr. Godfrey, the Petition of the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company.
By Mr. Vrooman, the Petition of the Town Council of Lindsay.
By ^fr. Marshall, the Petition of the Town Council of Dunnville.
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By ]\rr. Snlman, the Petition of A. M. Wilson and others of the Township
of Romnev.
Mr. McElroy, the Petition of the Ottawa, Pidean Lakes and Kingston
Railway Company.
By ]\[r. Fraser, the Petition of the Town Council of Welland.
By Mr. McFarlan, the Petition of the North Midland Railway Company.
By ]\rr. Anderson (Essex), three Petitions of the City Conncil of Windsor,
also, the Petition of the Town Conncil of Leamington.
By ]\rr. Mills, the Petition of the Town Conncil of Waterloo.
By Mr, Galna, the Petition of the Town Conncil of Parry Sound.
By ]\rr. Scholfield, the Petition of the Guelph Radial Railway Company.
By Mr. Hogarth, the Petition of the Municipality of Shuniah.
By Mr. Jessop, the Petition of the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beams-
ville Electric Railway Company.
By Mr. Henry, the Petition of the Township Council of York.
By Mr. McCrea, the Petition of the Corporation of the College of St.
Marie. Montreal, also, the Petition of the Reverend G. Jean and others of
Sudburv.
iiie Order of the Day for the Consideration of the Speech of His Honour
the Lieutenant-Governor at the opening of the Session ha\dng been read,
Mr. Cameron moved, seconded by Mr. Henry,
That an humble Address be presented to His Honour the Lieutenant-
Governor, as follows: —
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To His Honour Sir John M orison Oihson, Knight Commander of Our Most
Distinguished Order of St, Michael and St. George, etc., etc., etc.,
Lieutenant-Governor of the Province of Ontario.
We, His Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Legislative Assembly
of the Province of Ontario, now assembled, beg leave to thank Your Honour
for the gracious speech Your Honour has addressed to us.
Mr. Rowell moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That the following words be added to the Motion, " The present conditions
of unemployment, and the failure of the Government to attempt to seriously
deal with the problem, again emphasises the urgent need for the creation of a
Department of the Government, presided over by a Minister whose chief con-
cern should be to study and promote legislative and administrative action for
the betterment of the conditions of the workers of the Province ; and to which
should be transferred from the Department of Public Works, the Bureau of
Labour; and from the Department of Agriculture, the Factory Inspection
Branch. That in view of the hardship and suffering which thousands of our
citizens who are willing and anxious to work have been compelled to endure
during this present winter by reason of unemployment, and that periods of
unemployment are invariably associated with periods of trade depression ; and
in view of the important relation which the question of unemployment bears
to other social problems of the most vital concern to the State, this House is
further of the opinion that action should be at once taken by the Government
to investigate the conditions of labour in this Province and the causes and
results of unemployment, with a view of proposing measures suitable to our
needs for improving the present position of the workers, reducing unemploy-
ment to the narrowest possible limits, assisting those out of work in securing
employment, and providing systematic relief in cases of enforced unemploy-
ment of those willing to work."
And a Debate having ensued, it was, upon motion of Mr. Hanna,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 5.45 p.m.
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Friday, February 20th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter from the
Honourable The Prime Minister, Sir James Pliny Whitney: —
" Toronto, February 20th, 1914.
" Dear Mr. Speaker, — The Session now being open, I feel it incumbent
upon me to endeavour to express through you to my fellow-members of the
Legislature and to the people of the Province generally, my grateful apprecia-
tion of the warm sympathy which has been extended to me during my recent
severe illness and, above all, for the prayers that were offered for my recovery.
Apt and fitting language to express, as I could wish, what I desire to say on this
subject would be difficult indeed for me to find, and I confine myself to this
simple expression of my hearty and earnest thanks.
" Yours sincerely,
" J. P. Whitney."
The Honourable W. H. Hoyle, Speaker of the Legislative Assembly.
Upon Motion of Mr. Howell, seconded by Mr. Clarke, it was
Resolved, That the Honourable the Speaker be asked to convey to the.
Premier, the Honourable Sir James Whitney, the gratification with which this
House has received his message and to express the earnest hope for an early
and complete recovery.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (No. 70), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act, 1913."
Mr. Elliott.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 71), intituled " An Act to amend the Ontario Voters Lists
Act." Mr. Elliott.
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Ordered, That the Bill he read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (J^o. 72), intituled "An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr.
Elliott.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on jNTonday next.
On Motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Eeaume,
Resolved, That a Special Committee of Thirteen ^Members be appointed
to prepare and report, with all convenient speed. Lists of Members to compose
the Select Standing Committees ordered by this Honsc, to be composed as
follows: — Messieurs Foy, Lucas, Pyne, Preston (Lanark), Armstrong, Thomp-
son (Simcoe), Bowman, Proudfoot, Powell, Macdiarmid, Johnson, Clarke and
Elliott.
On Motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Peaume,
Resolved, That a Select Committee of Eleven Members be appointed to
act with Mr. Speaker in the control and management of the Library, to be
composed as follows: — Sir James Whitney and Messieurs Foy, Peaume, Pyne.
Ilendrie, Hanna, Lucas, Powell, Elliott, Racine and MoCormick.
On Motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Peaume,
Resolved, That a Select Committee be appointed to direct the expenditure
of any sum set apart by the Estimates for Art purposes, to be composed as
follows: — Mr. Speaker, Sir James Whitney, and Messieurs Foy, Peaume,
Ilendrie, Mayberry, McDonald and Sinclair.
The House then adjourned at 3.20 p.m.
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Monday, February 23r(l, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker addressed the House as follows: —
I have the honour to inform the House, that in response to the Resolution
lof the House of the twentieth instant, it has been my most agreeable duty to
convey to the Honourable the Premier, Sir Tames P. ^Vhitney, the sincere
pleasure of his fellow-members of the Legislature, in being assured of hi-
gratifying restoration to a condition of health which promises an early return
to his seat in the Chamber.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By Mr. McCrea, the Petition of Delphis M. Morin and others of Sudbury.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the Town Council of Arnprior, praying that an Act may pass to con-
solidate certain sums expended and to be expended for the installation of
Water Works.
Of the Town Council of Brampton, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-laws Numbers 511 and 512.
Of the Beechwood Cemetery Company, praying that an Act may pass to
amend their Act of incorporation.
Of the Town Council of Cochrane, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to borrow a certain sum of money to pay off the floatinsr
debt.
Of the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville Electric Railway Com-
pany, praying that an Act may pass to extend the time for completion and
operation of the road.
Of the Town Council of Dunnville, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the borrowing and issue of debentures for $36,000.
Of the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company, praying that an Act may
pass to increase bonding powers and to extend time for construction of road.
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Of the City Council of Fort William, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-law Number 1192 and certain debentures issued there-
under.
Of the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Company, praying that an Act
may pass authorizing the construction of a branch line from a point on main
line to the City of Ottawa.
Of the Guelph Radial Railway Company, praying that an Act may pass
to amend Act of incorporation and for power to construct branch lines.
Of James George Guise-Bagley, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Law Society of Upper Canada to admit him as a student in his final year.
Of the City Council of Hamilton, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to issue certain further debentures.
Of Charles C. Farr and others of Haileybury, praying that an Act may
pass to incorporate the Haileybury Turf Association.
Of the Town Council of Leamington, praying that an Act may pass auth-
orizing the Town to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the County of Essex
and become a separate Municipality.
Of the Town Council of Lindsay, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain by-laws.
Of the Corporation of the College of St. Marie, Montreal, praying that
an Act may pass to amend 16 Vic, Cap. 57, by authorizing the Corporation to
acquire and dispose of property.
Of the IN'orth Midland Railway Company, praying that an Act may pass
to extend the time for commencement and completion of the road and for other
purposes.
Of the Town Council of Orangeville, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm Ry-law Number 1003 re issue of debentures.
Of the Ottawa Ladies' College, praying that an Act may pass to amend
Act of incorporation by increasing borrowing powers.
Of the Ottawa Orphans' Home, praying that an Act may pass changing
the name of the Home and amending their Act of incorporation.
George V. 23rd February. 19
Of the Ottawa, Kideau Lakes and Kingston Railway Company, praying
that an Act may pass extending the time for commencement and completion
of the road and to increase its bonding powers.
Of the City Council of Ottawa, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a By-law authorizing an issue of Debentures re Water Works.
Of the Town Council of Parry Sound, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-law ISTumber 415 re purchase of Parry Sound River
Improvement Plant.
Of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Peterborough, praying that an Act
may pass authorizing the sale or other disposition of certain lands.
Of the Peterborough Radial Railway Company, praying that an Act may
pass to amend 2 Edw. VII, C. 91, incorporating the Company.
Of Samuel William Randall of Winnipeg, praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the change of name from William Samuel ISTelson Harold to Samuel
William Randall.
Of the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association, praying that an Act may
pass enabling the granting of annuities to members of the Association.
Of the Municipality of Shuniah, praying that an Act may pass to legalize
and confirm all tax sales.
Of the Reverend G. Jean and others of Sudbury, praying that an Act may
pass to incorporate the Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
Of the Toronto Western Hospital, praying that an Act may pass to amend
certain Acts relating thereto.
Of the Town Council of Trenton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws and agreement with the Canadian jSTorthern
Ontario Railway.
Of the Town Council of Waterloo, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law ISTumber 490 respecting the Quality Mattress Company.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law I^umber 1538 re purchase of lands.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law and agreement.
20 2;3Rn Febriaky. 1914
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to amend
the Act respecting the Water Works of the City.
Of the Town Council of Welland, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law TCumber 632.
Of A. ]\I. Wilson and others of the Township of Romney, praying that
an Act may pass to incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
Of the Township Council of York, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a By-law fixing the assessment of the Canadian Kodak Company,
Limited, and respecting the supply of water to certain portions of the Township.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 73), intituled " An Act to require the Publication of Contribu-
tions for Political Purposes." Mr. Anderson (Bruce.)
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Mr. Richardson asked the following Question: —
What amount has been expended so far l)y the Province on account of the
work of the Statute Revision Commission.
To which the Attorney-General replied in the words and figures follow-
$238,3r)4,32. This includes the cost of printing to date; also the accounts
of the Workmen's Conijiensation Coniuiissiou and other amounts ])aid for ser-
vices and -nlai'ies which auiouut aj^pi'nxiiiKitely to $2().()(H).
Ml-. Anderson fHruce) asked the following (Questions: —
1. Was any liquor seized in local oj)tion territory in the County of North
Grey during the month preceding July 14th, 1913. 2. Who made the seizure.
8. "\Miat was done with the liquor.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied: — To number one, no. To
numbers two and three, answered by number one.
George V. 23rd a.nd 24tii Fkbimauv. 21
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. Did the Honourable the Provincial Treasurer visit Europe in the year
1912 for the purpose of looking into the question of public ownership and
operation of telephones. If so, what report did he make as to the result of that
investigation. 2. What was the total expenditure of the Honourable the Pro-
vincial Treasurer for travelling expenses and other exi)enses in connection with
with that visit charged the Province. 3. Did the H()noural)le the Provincial
Treasurer rejwrt in favour of or against the Province going into the public
ownership and oj)eration of telephones.
And the Provincial Treasurer replied in the words following: — 1. Yes;
when in England in 1912 as representative from Ontario at the Imperial Con-
ference of Teachers, the Provincial Treasurer made inquiries and investigation
into the question of public ownership and operation of telephones, and a verbal
report was duly made to the Government, the substance of which has already
been communicated to the Legislature. 2. $840. 8. Answered by No. 1.
The House then adjourned at 8.20 p.m.
Tuesday, February 24th, 1914.
Pbateks. 3 O'clock P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Hartt, the Petition of the Town Council of Midland.
By Mr. Grigg, the Petition of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 74), intituled "An Act to amend The Municipal Act." Mr.
Johaton.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the eecond time To-morrow.
Bill (INTo. 75), intituled " An Act to entitle Married Women, who are
Property Owners, to vote at Municipal Elections." Mr. Johnson.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
22
24th Febkuaey.
1914
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
and Amendment, for the consideration of the Speech of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor, at the opening of the Session, having been read,
The Debate was resumed, and after some time.
The Amendment, having been put, was lost upon the following Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Andereon
Elliott
McDonald
Munro
(Bruce)
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
Atkinson
(Kent:
> Mageau
Richardson
Bowman
iiohler
Marshall
Rowell
Clarke
McCJormick
Mayberry
Ways.
Messieurs :
Sinclair
Studholme — 19
Anderson
Ferguson
]\rcElroy
Pratt
(Sssex)
(Grenvine) McFarlan
Preston
Armstrong
Foj
MeGarrv
(Durham)
Bennewies
Galna
McKeown
Preston
Black
Gamey
McKaught
(Lanark)
B rower
Gooderham
^FacArthur
Ti
Carscallen
Grant
Macdiarmid
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Chambers
Hanna
Mason
Cook
Hant
Mathieu
Devitt
Hearst
Milligan
Scholfield
Donovan
Henry
Mills
Shillington
Dult
Jamieson
Morel
Sulman
Ebbs
Jarvis
Musgrove
Thompson
Eilber
Jessop
Nesbitt
(Peterboro)
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Lucas
Norman
Torrance
McCrea
Owens
Westbrook— 58
Pairs.
None.
Tlip Motion for tho Address having been then again submitted,
And a Debate having ensued, it was upon Motion of Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered^ That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 11.05 p.m.
George V. 25th February. 23
Wednesday, February 25th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clook P.M.
The following Petition was read and received : —
Of Delphis M. Morin and others of Sudbnry, praying that an Act may
pass extending the time for commencement and completion of the Sudbury-
Coppercliff Suburban Electric Railway and to ratify and confirm By-law
N'o. 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
for the consideration of the Speech of His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor at
the opening of the Session, having been read,
The Debate was resumed,
And after some time,
Mr. McQueen moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. McDonald,
That the following words be added to the Motion : —
" This House wonld respectfully represent to Your Honour that after
the adoption by this House at its Session in 1912 at the instance of Your
Honour's advisers, of a Resolution declaring that legislation should be enacted
to prevent and put a stop to the treating habit ; and in view of the representa-
tions then made to this House by Your Honour's advisers as to the beneficial
effects of such legislation in curtailing the admittedly great evils of the open
bar; this House regrets that Your Honour's advisers have not proposed legis-
lation to abolish the public bar, to prohibit the treating system or otherwise
to curtail the evils of the traffic."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson Elliott McDonald Proudfoot
Pnwrr^.r.^^'"'^^ Fcrgusou McQuceu Richardson
xJOWman (Kent)
Atkinson Mayberry Rowell
Clarke McCormick Munro Studholme — 15
24
2 5 Til February.
1914
Nays.
Messieurs :
Armstrong
Ferguson
Lucas
Pratt
Bennewies
(Simcoe)
]\reElroy
Preston
Brewster
Ferguson
McFarlan
(Durham)
Brower
(GrenviUe)
i\feGarry
P^^le
Cameron
Fov
]\rcKeown
Reaurae
Chambers
Galna
MacArthur
Regan
Champagne
Gamey
Maediarmid
Scholfield
Cook
Gooderham
Mason
Shillington
Dargavel
Grant
Mathieu
Sulman
Devitt
Grigg
]\rilligan
Thompson
Donovan
Hartt
]\[usgrove
(Simcoe)
Duff
Hearst
Xorman
Torrance
Ebbs
Jar vis
Owens
Vrooman
Eilber
Lennox
Peck
AYhitesides — 52
Pairs.
Hanna Marshall
The Motion for the Address having been then again siibinitted.
And a Debate having arisen, it was, on the Motion of Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Copies of Orders in Council and Regulations to be laid before the Legis-
lative Assembly as required by section 27 of the Department of Education Act.
(Sessional Papers No. 55.)
The House then adjourned at 10.40 p.m.
George V. 2Gtii Fkbkuakv. 25
Thursday, February 26th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table :—
By Mr. Munro, the Petition of the Town Council of Cornwall.
By Mr. Brewster, the Petition of the City Council of Brantford.
By Mr. McNaught, the Petition of the City Council of Toronto.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of the Town Council of Midland, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to enter into an agreement with the Canada Iron Company,
Limited, and to confirm By-law No. 865.
Of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie, praying that an Act may pass
to ratify and confirm By-law IN'o. 753, authorizing payment of bonus to F. H.
Clergue.
Mr. Lucas, from the Special Committee appointed to prepare and report,
with all convenient speed, Lists of Members to compose the Select Standing
Committees ordered by this House, presented the following Lists as their
Beport : —
Committee on Privileges and Elections.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Armstrong, Black, Bowman, Brewster, Cam-
eron, Clarke, Devitt, Duff, Ferguson (Grenville), Foy, Galna, Grant, Ilanna.
Hartt, Jamieson, Jessop, Lennox, Lucas, Macdiarmid, Mason, Mathieu. Mills,
McFarlan, McGarry, JSTorman, Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Racine, Ross,
Rowell, Shilling-ton, Thompson (Simcoe), Vrooman, Whitesides — 35.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of nine members.
Committee on Railways.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Anderson (Essex), Armstrong. Beck. Bow-
man, Chambers, Champagne, Clarke, Crawford. Dunlop. Eilber. Elliott. Evan-
26 26th Febeuaey. 1914
turel, Fallis, Foj, Fraser, Galna, Gamey, Godfrey, Gooderham, Grigg, Hanna,
Hartt, Hearst, Hendrie, Hogarth, Jamieson, Jarvis, Jessop, Kohler, Lennox,
Macdiarmid, Machin, ^lageau, Marshall, Mason, Mathieu, Mayberry, Milligan,
Mills, Mimro, Miisgrove, ]\[cCorniick, McCrea, McDonald, McGarry, Mc-
Naught, McPlierson, Nesbitt, Nixon, Norman, Owens, Peck, Pratt, Preston
(Durham), -Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Pacine, Reaume, Regan, Ross,
Rowell, Scholfield, Shillington, Studholme, Thompson (Peterborough), White-
sides — 67.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of nine members.
Committee on Private Bills.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Anderson (Bruce), Anderson (Essex),
Atkinson, Beck, Bowman, Brewster, Brower, Cameron, Carscallen, Champagne,
Clarke. Crawford, Dargavel, Duff, Dunlop, Elliott, Ellis, Fallis, Ferguson
(Grenville), Ferguson (Kent), Foy, Fraser, Gamey, Godfrey, Gooderham,
Grant, Hanna, Hearst, Hendrie, Henry, Hogarth, Jamieson, Jessop, Johnson,
I^ennox, Lucas, Macdiarmid, Mageau, Marshall, Milligan, McCrea, McDonald,
McElroy, McGarry, McKeown, ]\lclsraught, McPherson, McQueen, ISTesbitt,
Owens, Peck, Pratt, Preston (Durham), Preston (I^anark), Proudfoot, Racine,
Rankin. Ross, Rowell, Sinclair, Sulman, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance, West-
brook. Whitesides — 66.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of nine members.
Committee on Standing Oedees.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Anderson (Bruce), Bennewies, Black,
Cameron, Cook, Devitt, Donovan, Evanturel, Fallis, Ferguson (Simcoe), Galna,
Godfrey, Grigg, Hartt, Henry, Jarvis, Kohler, Lennox, MacArthur, Machin,
Mason, Mathieu, Mayberry, Mills, Morel, Munro, McCormick, Nesbitt, Nixon,
Norman, Preston (Lanark), Racine, Rankin, Regan, Richardson, Rowell, Sin-
clair, Studholme, Thompson (Peterboro), Torrance, Vrooman, Westbrook,
Whitesides — 44.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of seven members.
Committee on Public Accounts.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Bowman, Beck, Clarke, Dargavel, Eilber,
Elliott, Ellis, Ferguson (Grenville), Fraser, Galna, Gamey, Hanna, Hartt,
Hendrie, Hogarth, Johnson, T^ennox, Lucas, MacArthur, Mageau, Munro, Mus-
grove, McCrea, McElroy, McGarry, McKeown, McQueen, Pattinson, Peck
George V. 26th February. 27
Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Racine, Reaume, Rowell, Scholfield, Shillington^
Sinclair, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance, Westbrook — 41.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of seven members.
Committee on Municipal Law.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Anderson (Bruce), Anderson (Essex),
Armstronii-, Atkinson, Bennewies, Black, Bowman, Brower, Cameron, Car-
scallen, Chambers, Champagne, Cook, Crawford, Dargavel, Devitt, Duff, Dun-
lop. Eilber, Elliott, Ellis, Evanturel, Ferguson (Grenville), Ferguson (Kent),
Ferguson (Simcoe), Foy, Eraser, Gamey, Godfrey, Gooderham, Grant, Hanna
Hendrie, Henry, Jamieson, Jarvis, Johnson, Lennox, Macdiarmid, Machin
Marshall, Mayberry, Mills, Musgrove, McElroy, McFarlan, McGarry, Mc-
Keown. MclSTaught, McPherson, McQueen, ITixon, Pattinson, Preston (Dur-
ham), Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Pyne. Racine, Rankin, Regan, Richard-
son, Rowell, Scholfield, Studholme, Sulman, Thompson (Simcoe), Vrooman,
Whitesides— 69.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of nine members.
Committee on Agriculture and Colonization.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs ^\nderson (Bruce), Armstrong, Bennewies,
Brower, Carscallen, Chambers, Cook, Dargavel, Devitt, Donovan, Duff, Eilber,
Elliott, Fallis, Ferguson (Simcoe), Galna, Gamey, Grant, Grigg, Henry, Jessop,
Kohler, MacArthur, Macdiarmid, Mageau, Marshall, Mathieu, Mayberry, Morel,
McCormick, McElroy, McFarlan, jSTesbitt, ISTorman, Pattinson, Preston (Dur-
ham), Preston (Lanark), Pratt, Rankin, Regan, Richardson, Rowell, Thomp-
son (Peterboro), Torrance, Westbrook — 46.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of nine members.
Committee on Fish and Game.
Messieurs Anderson (Essex), Armstrong, Black, Brower, Bowman, Beck,
Carscallen, Clarke, Dargavel, Donovan, Duff, Duulop, Eilber, Galna, Gooder-
ham, Grant, Hendrie, Hogarth, Jessop, Macdiarmid, Mageau, Marshall, Morel,
Musgrove, N'esbitt, l^orman, Pratt, Reaume, Rowell — 29.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of seven members.
28 26tji Februaky. 1914
Committee ox Legal Bills.
Sir James Whitney, Messieurs Erewster, Cameron, Elliott, Ferguson
(Grenville), Fov, Hanna, Hearst, Hendrie, Lucas, McGarry, McKeown, Mc-
Pherson, Proudfoot, Pyne, Reaume, Rowell, Thompson (Simcoe) — 18.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of five members.
Committee on Printing.
Messieurs Anderson (Essex), Carscallen. Crawford, Evanturel, Ferguson
(Kent). Jarvis, Lucas, Mason, Milligan, Musgrove, McCormick, McDonald,
Owens, Preston (Lanark). Ross. Sulman — 16.
The Quorum of said Committee to consist of five members.
Resolved. That this House doth concur in the foregoing Report of the
Special Committee appointed to prej)are and report Lists of Members to com-
pose the Select Standing Committees ordered by the House.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
for the consideration of the Speech of His TTonour the Lieutcnaut-Oovernor at
the opening of the Session, having been read,.
I
The Debate was resumed,
And after some time,
!Mr. Elliott moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Mageau,
That the following words be added to the Motion : —
" That this House regrets that the Government has failed to propose
legislation to remedy the hardships resulting from our existing Assessment
George V.
26th February.
29
law, or to comply with the request for assessment reform demanded by the
municipalities, farmers' associations, labour unions, merchants and manufac-
turers of the Province, and more particularly for legislation authorizing muni-
cipalities to assess, or tax buildings, business and income on a lower basis than
land."
And, after some time,
The Amendment having been put, was lost upon the following division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
]\[cQneen
Racine
(Bruce)
Ferguson
Mageau
Rowell
Atkinson
(Kent)
Marshall
Sinclair
Bowman
McCormick
Mayberry
Studholme— 17
Clarke
McDonald
Proudfoot
Nays.
Messieurs :
Armstrong
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
Black
(Grenvme) :\reElr0V
Preston
Brewster
Foy
]\rcFarlan
(Durham)
Brower
Eraser
]\[cGarry
Pyne
Cameron
Galna
McKeown
Eankin
Carscallen
Gamey
* Mc^Taught
Reaume
Chambers
Gooderham
McPherson
Roiis
Cook
Grant
^facArthur
Scholfield
Dargavel
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Sulman
Devitt
Hartt
Mason
Thompson
Donovan
Hearst
^fathieu
(Simcoe)
Duff
TTenry
T •
Milligan
Musffrove
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Jarvis
Xesbitt
Torrance
Eilber
Jcssop
Xixon
Vrooman
Ferguson
Johnson
Owens
Westbrook
(Simcoe)
Lennox
Pattinson
Whitesides— 61
Pairs.
Fallis - Richardson
30
26th Februaey.
1914
The Motion for the Address to His Honour, having been then again sub-
mitted, was carried upon the following division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Armstrong
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
Black
(GrenvUle) McElroy
Preston
Brewster
Foy
McFarlan
(Durham)
Brower
Fraser
McGarry
Pyne
Cameron
Galna
McKeown
Rankin
Carscallen
Gamey
McNaught
Reaume
Chambers
Gooderham
Mcpherson
Ross
Cook
Grant
MacArthur
Scholfield
Dargavel
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Sulman
Devitt
Hartt
Mabuu
Thompson
Donovan
Hearst
Mathieu
(Simcoe)
Duif
Ebbs
Henry
-Tarvis
Milligan
Muisgrove
Nesbitt
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Eilber
Jessop
Nixon
Vrooman
Ferguson
Johnson
Owens
Westbrook
(Simcoe)
Lennox
Pattmson
Nays.
Messieurs :
Whitesides— 61
Anderson
Elliott
McQueen
Racine
(Bruce)
Ferguson
Mageau
Rowell
Atkinson
(Kent)
Marshall
Sinclair
Bowman
]\rcCormick
•May berry
Studholme— 17
Clarke
Mf'lJonald
Proudfoot
Pairs.
Fallis Richardson
And it was
Resolved/ That an humble Address be presented to His Honour the Lieu-
tenant-Governor of Ontario, as follows : —
To His Honour Sir John Morison Gibson, Knight Commander of Our Most
Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George, Etc., Etc., Etc., Lieu-
tenant-Governor of the Province of Ontario.
We, His Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Legislative Assera-
George V. 26th and 27th February.
blj of the Province of Ontario, now assembled, beg leave to thank Your Honour
for the gracious Speech Your Honour has addressed to us.
The Address, having been read the second time, was agreed to.
Ordered, That the Address be engrossed and presented to His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor by those ]\Iembers of this IIouso who are Members of the
Executive Council.
On motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr. Hearst,
Resolved, That this House will To-morrow, resolve itself into the Com-
mittee of Supply.
Resolved, That this House will To-morrow, resolve itself into the Com-
mittee of Ways and Means.
The House then adjourned at 6.35 p.m.
Friday, February 27th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Dunlop, the Petition of the Marmora Railway and Mining Com-
pany.
By Mr. Thompson (Simcoe), the Petition of the Town Council of
Collingwood.
By Mr. Brower, the Petition of the Town Council of Aylmer.
By Mr. Godfrey, the Petition of the Villag-e Council of Weston.
32 27tii Februaey. 1914
Mr. Lennox from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their First Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and
find the notices as published in each case sufficient.
Of Charles Farr and others of Haileybury praying that an Act may pass
to incorporate the Haileybury Turf Association.
Of Samuel William Randall of Winnipeg praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the change of name from William Samuel Nelson Harold to
Samuel William Randall.
Of the Town Council of Brampton praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-laws Numbers 511 and 512.
Of the Beechwood Cemetery Company praying that an Act may pass to
amend their Act of incorporation.
Of the Ottawa Ladies' College praying that an Act may pass to amend
their Act of incorporation by increasing their borrowing powers.
Of the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association praying that an Act may
pass enabling the granting of annuities to members of the association.
Of the Toronto Western Hospital praying that an Act may pass to
amend certain Acts relating thereto.
Of Peterboro Radial Railway Company praying that an Act may pass
to amend 2 Edw. VII, c. 91, incorporating the Company.
Of James George Guise-Bagley praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Law Society of Upper Canada to admit him as a Student in his final year.
Of the Town Council of Dunnville praying that an Act may pass author-
izing the borrowing and issue of debentures for $9,500 to provide for a
deficiency in the amount of the loan authorized by By-law No. 6 of 1912 in
-connection with the sewer system.
Of the Electric Steel and Metals Company, Limited, praying that an
Act may pass to ratify and confirm By-law 632 of the Town of Welland.
Of the City Council of Ottawa praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a By-law authorizing an issue of debentures re water works.
Oeorge V. 27th Febkuaby. 33
Of A. M. Wilson and others of the Township of Romney praying that an
Act may pass to incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
Of the Town Council of Lindsay praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the City Council of Fort William praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-law Number 1192 and certain Debentures issued
thereunder; also certain other By-laws.
Your Committee recommend that Rule Number 51 of your Honourable
House be suspended in this, that the time for presenting Petitions for Private
Bills be extended until and inclusive of Monday, the 16th day of March next,
and that the time for introducing Private Bills be extended until and inclusive
of Monday, the 23rd day of March next.
Ordered, That the time for presenting Petitions for "Private Bills be
extended until and inclusive of Monday, the sixteenth day of March next.
Ordered, That the time for introducing Private Bills be extended imtil
and inclusive of Monday, the twenty-third day of March next.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 1), intituled ''An Act to incorporate the Haileybury Turf
Association." Mr. Shillington.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 2), intituled "An Act to authorize William Samuel Nelson
Harold to assume and use the name of Samuel William Randall." Mr.
McPherson,
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No 3), intituled "An Act to validate By-laws Numbers 511 and
512 of the Town of Brampton." Mr. FalUs.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 4), intituled "An Act respecting the Beechwood Cemetery
Company of Ottawa." Mr. Ellis.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
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34 27th February. 1914
Bill (iS'o. 5), intituled " An Act respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College."
Mr. Ellis.
Eeferred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (JSTo. Q), intituled " An Act respecting the Sons of Scotland Bene-
volent Association." Mr. McPherson.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 7), intituled "An Act respecting the Toronto Western Hos-
pital." Mr. Owens.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 10), intituled " An Act to authorize the Law Society of Upper
Canada to admit James George Guise-Bagley as a Student in his final year."
Mr. Machin.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 11), intituled "An Act respecting the Peterborough Radial
Railway Company." Mr. Peck.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 13), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Fort William."
Mr. Jarvis.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board with reference to section
1, ss. 9.
Bill (No. 17), intituled " An Act respecting the Town of Lindsay."
Mr. Vrooman.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board with reference to Part TL
Bill (No. 18), intituled "An Act rpspecting the Town of Dunrix-il1.\"
Mr. Marshall.
Referred to fhn Railwav and "Nrnnicipal Board.
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Bill (No. 22), intituled " An Act to confirm Bj-law No. 632 of the Town
of Welland." Mr. Fraser.
Eeferred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 76), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
McFarlan.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Mr. Foy delivered to Mr. Speaker a Message from the Lieutenant
Governor, signed by himself; and the said Message was read by Mr. Speaker,
and is as follows: —
J. M. GIBSON.
The Lieutenant-Governor transmits Supplementary Estimates of certain
sums required for the service of the Province for the year 1913-14, and
recommends them to the Legislative Assembly.
Gf^VERNMENT HoUSE,
Toronto, February 27th, 1914.
(Sessional Papers, No. 2.)
Ordered, That the Message of the Lieutenant-Governor, together with
the Estimates accompanying same, be referred to the Committee of Supply.
Mr. Marshall asked the following Question : —
1. How much has been expended by the Government to date in respect
of the new Government House, particularizing the expenditure for the site,
for laying out the grounds and for the buildings respectively. 2. What is the
total estimated cost of completing Government House, particularizing the
estimated expenditure for site, for laying out the grounds and for the build-
ings respectively. 3. What is the total estimated cost of furnishing Govern-
ment House. 4. Did the Honourable the Minister of Public Works visit
Europe to gather ideas as to the manner of furnishing Government House.
.5. If so, what are his recommendations as the result of that visit as to manner
of furnishing and its style and design. 6. What was the total expense of that
36- 27th February. 1914
trip. 7. When will the new Government House be entirely completed and
ready for occupation.
To which the Minister of Public Works replied in the words and figures
following : —
1. Cost of site and legal expenses, $147,054.00 ; laying out the grounds,
$109,178.34; buildings, $352,783.31. 2. Laying out the grounds, $30,000.00;
buildings, $236,000.00. 3. No estimate yet made. 4. Yes, and also decora-
tions. 5. Under consideration. 6. $1,000.00. 7. About the end of the
present year or early in the year 1915.
Mr. ^lunro asked the following Question: — -
1. What is the total capital cost of the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario
Railway Company and its branches to date. 2. What is the total cost of the
Elk Lake Branch. 3. What is the indebtedness of the Province so far incurred
with respect to the cost of construction of this Railway Company and its
branches.
And the Minister of Public Works replied in the words and figures
following : —
1. $19,441,687.17, exclusive of the Nipissing Central Railway.
2. $685,617.01. 3. $19,372,639.71, exclusive of Nipissing Central Railway.
Mr. Ferguson (Kent) asked the following Question: —
1. When was William Smuck appointed License Inspector for the oleetoral
district of East Elgin. 2. Was Mr. Smuck, prior to the date of his appointnieut,
a holder of a lir-ense for the sale of intoxicating liquors in the Township of Bay-
ham in the electoral district of East Elgin. If so, for how long a period was the
said William Smuck a holder of such a license. When did he cease to be a
holder of such a license. 3. Did the said William Smuck apply for a license for
the year 1913-14. 4. Was William Smuck recommended for the position of
License Inspector. If so, recommended by whom. 5. Did the Government
receive any protests against the appointment of the said William Smuck as
License Inspector. 6. Who are the present License Commissioners for the elec-
toral district of East Elgin. 7. What are their occupations, and when were they
respectively first appointed as License Commissioners. 8. Did the Provincial
Secretary receive any communications or protests from the Aylmer Ministerial
George V. 27th February. 37
Association with reference to the administration of the liquor license laws in
East Elgin during the years 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913. 9. If so, what are the
dates of such communications. 10. Who was the License Inspector for East
Elgin prior to Mr. Smuck's appointment, and for how long had he been in-
capacitated through illness from attending to his duties.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied as follows: —
1. 3rd October, 1913. 2. Yes. Since 1900. 30th April, 1913. 3. Ap-
plication made and granted, but subsequently withdrawn and license not
taken out. 4. By Mr. Brower, M.P.P. for East Elgin. 5. One. 6. W. H.
Finch, Alex. Taylor, Charles Garnham. 7. W. H. Finch, Commission Mer-
chant, April 1st, 1913; Alex. Taylor, Harbour Inspector, March 15th, 1906;
Charles Garnham, Farmer, March 15th, 1906. 8. j^o. 9. Answered by No.
8. 10. W. R. Andrews. Department notified of illness 19th June, 1913.
Mr. Ferguson (Kent) asked the follownng Question: —
1." Has the Canadian Northern Ontario Railway Company applied to the
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines to designate the lands or any part of the
lands to be granted to the said railway as provided in section 3, 9 Edw. VII,
chap. 71. 2. Has the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines designated such
lands or any part of the same. 3. If such lands or any part of the same have
been so designated, what is the total acreage so designated, and of what town-
ships or part of townships does the same consist. 4. Have the said lands or any
part of the same been surveyed.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words
following: —
1. No. 2. No. 3. Answered by No. 2. 4. No.
Mr. Racine asked the following Question: —
1. Has the Government been advised of any action taken by the Dominion
Government on the resolution of the Interprovincial Conference with reference
to: — (a) Increasing the salary of the Lieutenant-Governor; (h) Changing the
name of the Lieutenant-Governor from Lieutenant-Governor to Governor;
(c) Increasing the subsidies of the Province payable by the Dominion Govern-
ment. 2. If so, what action has been taken.
To which the Attorney-General replied in the negative.
27th February. 1914
Mr. Mayberrv asked the following Question: —
1. Is it the inti'iitiuu of the Government to provide additional accommoda-
tion for the Winter Fair at Guelph. 2. If sa, what provision does the Govern-
ment intend to make.
And the Minister of Agriculture replied that: —
1. The matter is receiving the consideration of the Government. 2. An-
swered by No. 1.
On motion of Mr. Atkinson, seconded by Mr. McCormick,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
What buildings have been erected by the Province at the Prison Farm at
Guelph. 2. What has been the total cost to the Province of each building.
3. Were any of these buildings built by prison labour in whole or in part. 4. If
so, what buildings, and what class of prison labour was employed. 5. And if
the statement of cost makes any allowance for the prison labour employed, if
any.
On Motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. The
names of the tenderers for the supply of coal for Government Institutions, in
Toronto, during the years 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913, respectively. 2. The
amount of each tender for each of such years. 3. The names of the contractor
or contractors for each of such years. 4. The amount of coal supplied under
each contract during each year. 5. The price at which the coal was purchased.
On Motion of Mr. Mageau, seconded by Mr. Racine,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
What timber limits, or areas, have been sold by the Government since the first
day of January, 1913, and the total area of each. 2. The price at which each
such limit, or area, was sold. 3. The names of the respective purchasers and if
any were sold at public auction. 4. And if any were so sold at auction, which
limit or area was so sold, and the dates on which the several sales took place.
George V. 27th Febriary. 39
jMr. Hanna presented to the House, by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor: —
Report of the Game and Fisheries Department for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 14.)
Also — Report on the operation of the Lujuor License Acts, Ontario, for
the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 28.)
Also — Bulletin of the Ontario Hospitals for the Insane. (Sessional Papers
No. 56.)
Also — Regulations respecting Rondeau Provincial Park, 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 57.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1913, for a
Return showing: — 1. Copies of all correspondence between the Minister of
Public Works or any other member of the Government or any official thereof,
and any person or persons relating to the floods on the Grand River or any other
river in the Province during the years 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912. 2. Copies
of all petitions received during the said years by the Government or any Minis-
ter of the Government from any person or persons relating to the floods on the
Grand River or any other river in the Province, or requesting the Government
to take action towards the prevention of floods. 3. Copies of all reports made
by any engineer or engineers employed on behalf of the Government or on behalf
of the Llydro-Electric Power Commission, for the purpose of investigating the
floods on the Grand River or any other river in the Province, or the means of
preventing or mitigating such floods or of conserving and regulating the flow
of such rivers or investigating the electrical power potentialities of such rivers.
(Sessional Papers No. 58.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 22nd April. 1913, for a
Return showing: — 'Copies of all correspondence between the Attorney-General
or any other member of the Government or any official of the Government
and any other person or persons relating to : 1. The prosecution of one Good-
man, formerly Chief of Police at ITew Liskeard on ISTovember 12th last, for
an offence against the Game Laws. 2. The conduct of one McKelvie, an over-
seer of the Game and Fisheries Department at New Liskeard, Ont., or the dis-
missal of the said McKelvie from his position. 3. The prosecution of one Eli
Tibbs in iSTovember, 1912, for illegal possession of furs. 4. The prosecution of
any party or parties for illegal possession of furs seized by the said McKelvie
from one Angus Wabi. (Sessional Papers No. 59.)
The House then adjourned at 3.40 p.m.
40 2nb March. 1914
Monday, March 2nd, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Godfrey, the Petition of the Village Council of Weston.
By Mr. McFarlan, the Petition of the City Council of London.
By Mr. Grigg, the Petition of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie.
By Mr. Sulman, the Petition of the Town Council of Wallaceburg
By Mr. Eilber, the Petition of the Town Council of Sarnia.
By Mr. Crawford, two Petitions of the City Council of Toronto.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the Town Council of Aylmer, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing issue of debentures re floating indebtedness.
Of the City Council of Brantford, praying that an Act may pass to raise
by way of debentures the sum of $2,500 for bridge construction and to ratify
certain By-laws.
Of the Town Council of Collingwood, praying that an Act may pass to
legalize a certain agreement between the Corporation and the Imperial Steel
and Wire Company re assessment and guarantee of bonds.
Of the Town Council of Cornwall, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm a certain By-law and Agreement re McGill Chair Com-
pany, Limited.
Of the Marmora Railway and Mining Company, praying that an Act
may pass to amend their Act of incorporation, empowering the amalgamation
with other Companies.
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying that an Act may pass to em-
power the Council to pass certain By-laws, to engage in the dead meat trade
and for other purposes.
George V. 2nd Mabch. 41
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 20), intituled "An Act to incorporate the Village of Wheat-
ley." Mr. Sulman.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 77), intituled "An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr.
McCormick.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 78), intituled "An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr
Anderson (Bruce.)
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 79), intituled '' An Act to amend the Temiskaming and North-
ern Ontario Railway Act." Mr. Sinclair.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr. Hearst,
Resolved, That the name of Mr. Ebbs be added to the Standing Com-
mittees on Public Accounts, Municipal Law, Agriculture and Colonization, and
Fish and Game.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question: —
1. When was Mr, W. K. Snider appointed a Provincial License Inspector.
2. Was he a Provincial organizer for the Conservative party before his appoint-
ment. 3. If so, for how long. 4. What are his duties as a Provincial License
Inspector. 5. Did he take an old office or was a new office constituted when
he was appointed. 6. Is it part of his duty to inspect hotels. 7. Was Mr.
Snider in Welland County on any day during the month prior to January
29th, 1914. 8. If so, what points in Welland County did he visit and on
what dates. 9. Was Mr. Snider in Peel County any day during the month
prior to January 29th, 1914. 10. If so, what point in Peel County did he
visit and on what date. 11. Was Mr. Snider in Huron County on any day
during the month prior to January 29th, 1914. 12. If so, what points in
42 ■ 2m> ;^rAR(MI. 1914
Huron County did he visit aud ou what date. 18. If he visited any points
in any of the Counties above named how long did he remain at each point.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied as follows: —
1. 31st December, 1908. 2. Yes. 3. About two years. 4. As defined in the
Liquor License Act, sec. 127, sub-sec. 2, clause (/), as follows: — "(f) T-o visit
and inspect any tavern for which a license has been issued under this Act and
the accommodations provided therein and the utensils, bedding and other furni-
ture therein aud to see that the laws of the Province providing for the protection,
safety and health of guests and other inmates are complied with and to give
directions in writing to the license holder as to providing other or additional ac-
commodations, furniture and appliances or as to any other matter he may deem
necessary for the safety, comfort and convenience of guests. 9 Edw. VII, c 82,
s. 30." 5. A new office to meet a demand of the commercial travellers asso-
ciation. 0. Yes. 7. Yes. 8. Ridgeway, Stevensville and the town of Welland,
26th and 27th January, 1914. 9. Yes. 10. Brampton, 23rd January, 1914.
11. Yes. 12. Wingham, Clinton and Goderich, 23rd, 24th and 25th January.
13. Answered by above.
Mr. Mayberry asked the following Question: —
1. What is the total exi)enditure to date in connection with the Work-
men's Compensation Commission, giving the amounts paid for salaries of mem-
bers and officers of the Commission and for the travelling expenses, if any, of
such members and officers.
To which the Attorney-General replied in the words and figures
following : —
Total expenditure to date exclusive of printing: —
1911—
Books $9 49
F. H. Kennin, services at $30 per week. . 1,565 00
$1,574 49
1912—
Book $3 03
Advertising 328 69
Sir W. R. Meredith, travelling and other
expenses 1,500 00
F. H. Kennin, services at $30 per week. . 1,570 00
C. S. Berthon, services 150 00
W. B. Wilkinson, disbursements 112 96
$3,664 68
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1913—
Book $3 00
Angus & Stonehouse, reporting committee. 1,711 80
F. H. Kennin, services at $30 per week. . 1,565 00
Advertising 183 70
$3,463 00
$8,702 17
^fr. Atkinson ask('(l the folJowinu' (^ncsrion : —
1. Has the Lake Huron and Xortliern Ontario Railway begun construc-
tion vet. If so, when did it begin, and what progress has been made. 2. Has
the said railway company placed any settlers upon lands tributary to the
railway pursuant to sub-section (h) of section 8 of 3 and 4 Geo. V, chap. 134.
3. Has the Honourable Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines desig-nated the
plants to manufacture wood and timber that the said railway company must
erect pursuant to sub-section (c) of section 8 of 3 and 4 Geo. V, chap. 134.
4. If the Honourable Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines has designated
such plants, has the railway company taken any steps to carry out the pro-
visions of the said sub-section. If so, what amount has been so expended by
the railway company. 5. What steps are being taken by the said railway com-
pany to carry out the provisions of subsections (e) and (/) of section 8 of 3
and 4 Geo. V, chap. 134.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words fol-
lowing : —
1. The Government has been informed that construction has been com-
menced, but no official report has been received as to when construction
began or as to progress that has been made. 2. !N'o lands have been sold to the
railway company under the provisions of the Act referred to. 3. N^o. 4.
Answered by Xo. 3. 5. Answered bv Xo. 2.
On Motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Return showing: —
1. What amount was received by the Government from Messrs. Taylor, Scott &
Co. for the work done by prisoners from Central Prison under its contract
with Messrs. Taylor, Scott & Co., dated 1st September, 1905, for each year
during which the contract was in force. 2. How long was the contract in
force. 3. What amounts were paid by the Government for debt, damages or
44 2nd and 3bd March. 1914
costs respectively in connection with or arising out of the said contract. 4. To
whom were such amounts paid. 5. Was the agreement between Taylor, Scott &
Co. and the Government changed after the agreement had been submitted to
the House and approved by it. 6. If it was changed, were such changes em-
bodied in an agreement in writing between the parties. 7. If it was changed,
was such change or modified agreement submitted to the House for approval.
On Motion of Mr. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That in view of the fact that the Public Accounts Committee
of last Session was not able to complete its investigations of the Public Accounts
for the year 1912, that the accounts for the said year be referred to the Com-
mittee of Public Accounts.
On Motion of Mr. Sinclair, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Return showing: — 1.
What securities have been sold by the Province since October 31st, 1912. 2.
What was the date of the sales. 3. What are the names of the purchasers. 4.
What are the prices at which such securities were sold.
The House then adjourned at 3.30 p.m.
Tuesday, March 3rd, 1914.
Prayees. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By Mr. Fraser, the Petition of the Township Council of Crowland.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 80), intituled "An Act to amend the Motor Vehicles Act."
Mr. Anderson (Bruce.)
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
George V. 3rd March. 45
Mr. Lucas presented to the House, bj command of His Honour the Lieu-
tenant-Governor : —
The Public Accounts of the Province of Ontario for the year ended
31st October, 1913. {Sessional Papers, No. 1.)
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr. Hearst,
Ordered, That the Public Accounts for the year 1913 be referred to the
Standino; Committee on Public Accounts.
The Order of the Day for the House to resolve itself into the Committee
of Supply, having been read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House do resolve
itself into the Committee of Supply.
And a Debate having ensued, it was, upon Motion of Mr. Musgrove,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. What municipalities, if any, have made application to the Hydro-Elec-
tric Power Commission of Ontario, under the provisions of 3 and 4 Edw.
VII, chap. 38, for the construction of electrical railways. 2. Has the Hydro-
Electric Power Commission reported on the application of any municipality
pursuant to the Act. 3. Has an agreement been made with any municipality
for a railway pursuant to the Act. If so, with what municipality or muni-
cipalities.
To which Mr. Beck replied as follows: —
1. Applications received: — Cities — Guelph, London, Woodstock; Towns
— Uxbridge, Whitby, Xewmarket, Goderich, Collingwood, Meaford, Owen
Sound, Mount Forest, Chesley, Sarnia, Petrolia, St. Mary's, Penetanguishene,
Hespeler; Tillages — Markham, Port Perry, Stouffville, Chatsworth, Markdale,
Elesherton, Dundalk, Arthur, Arcona, Courtwright, Thedford, Wyoming, Lucan,
Watford, Waterdown ; Police Villages — Florence, Innerkip ; Townships — Whit-
46 'SiiD AND 4tii March. 1914
church. Reach, rxbridgc, NMiithy. Pickering', Markhain, Scarborough, Sarawak,
Holland. Euphemia, Bosanquet, East Zorra, East Flamborough, Delaware,
Egremont. Arteinesia. Keppel. Derhv, Euphrasia, Sullivan, Nichol, Proton,
!^s^o^nlan(ly, Moore. Blenheim. Waterloo. West Flamborough. London, Sunni-
dale, St. Vincent. West Garafraxa, Osprey, West Luther, Guelph, Pilkington,
Sydenham, Dawn, Sombra, Blandford, Puslinch, P>iddulph, Brock. 2. Yes,
for the District Ivino; north-east of the Titv of Toronto. 3. ]^o.
^[r. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Reports of the Live Stock Associations of the Province for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 39.)
Also — A Return to an Order of the House of the 15th April, 1913, for a
Return showing: — 1. In detail the persons to whom the sum of $19,946.18,
appearing on page 323 of the Public Accounts, 1912, was advanced by N. B.
Colcock, and the purposes for which the same was advanced. 2. In detail the
persons to whom the sum of $11,060.85, appearing on page 372 of the Public
Accounts was paid by X. B. Colcock, and the purposes for which the same was
paid. (Sessional Papers No. 60.)
The House then adjourned at 6 p.m.
Wednesday, :\Iarch 4th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 0'Ct.ock P.M.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of the City Council of London, j)raying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws to authorize the issue of debentures and for other
purposes.
Of the Town Council of Sarnia, praying that an Act may pass to erect
the Town into a City.
Of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie, praying that an Act may pass
to ratify and confirm certain l>y-laws : division of City into Wards and for
other purposes.
Of the Town Council of Wallaceburg, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm a certain By-law re construction of Water Works.
George Y. 4th Makch. 47
Of the Village Council of Weston, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying for certain amendments to the
Municipal Act in the direction of granting the Municipal Franchise to Married
Women.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 81), intituled ''An Act to amend the Mining Act of Ontario."
Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Previous to the Calling of the Orders of the Day,
Mr. Evanturel, the Member for Prescott, arose in his place and claimed,
as a matter of Privilege, the right to address the House upon a matter personal
to himself, and this being conceded he thereupon made the following statement,
to which he appended his signature: —
" Mr. Speaker,
" Here is my statement to the House and to the whole Province of Ontario
in regard to the charges brought against me before this Legislature, on the 25th
day of February last, by the Honorable Member for Grenville, Mr. Howard
Ferguson, when he produced a letter, dated at Alfred, on the 4th day of Sep-
tember, 1913, and signed by myself and addressed to one of the Directors or
Officers of The Allied and Licensed Trade Association of Ontario. '
" On that very same afternoon, I drew the attention of the House, with
the intention to lay before the House some abuses which have been committed
in my county and particularly in the town of Hawkesbury by the granting of
a shop license under the bad administration of the License Board, and I have
then attacked the Government for the bad administration of the license system
which is in bad operation in my county. My intention then was not to support
the amendment in discussion before the House, but merely to mention the
abuses committed in Prescott County. The misconception of the word ' alliance '
on my part was unfortunately used then against the Government, this being due
to my lack of knowledge of the English language. When the Honorable Mem-
ber for Grenville took the floor after me, it was his right to reply to me, having
mentioned that there was an alliance between the liquor interests and the
48 4th March. 1914
Conservative Party, and in his preliminary remarks he asked me if I have had
any relation, or words to that effect, vs^ith the liquor men, that is with the
Allied and Licensed Trade Association. I admit that I did not understand
what he meant at the time, nor did I remember then, that I had communicated
with the Allied and Licensed Trade Association, and I am sorry that I denied
this fact, and for this I wish to apologize to the Honorable Member for Gren-
ville personally. I admit also that the letter was written and signed by me and
I further state that this unfortunate letter was written with the object of
getting a position as organizer, and to request financial support for the cause
I had been fighting for many years, viz. : for the hotel keepers of this Province,
and particularly for those of my county. I had learned that the hotel keepers
of this Province had organized themselves in an Association, and that they had
considerable capital to fight their case before the country. I made an applica-
tion to the Secretary of the Association, Mr. Allen, 26 Toronto Street, without
knowing then what kind of a position they could give me. I had in my mind,
at the time, that if they could not offer me a position with their Association,
they could probably assist me financially in the cause I was interested in. In
my application, I explained to them fully that I had taken an open stand in
favor of the liquor interest long before entering into politics. Mr. Allen, the
Secretary of the Association, in reply to my application stated that he would
place my application before the Board at the first meeting, but said that he
thought my application had come too late, and that a man had already been
appointed for the position that I was seeking. In the letter produced before
the House and which was addressed to one of the members of the Board asking
his support to my application I fully explained then very candidly, as the letter
was not private, that long before being in public life. I had worked in favor of
the hotel keepers in Prescott County against Prohibition, and in 1902, I stood
openly on the public platform on their behalf. When I was nominated in my
Party as the Liberal candidate on the 6th day of N"ovember, 1914, I opened
my campaign immediately and I have a good recollection of having answered
in a mass meeting to a question put to me by an elector in the audience asking
me if I would vote in the House, if elected, in favor of a resolution to banish
the bars brought by my leader or my Party, that I had always been against the
abolition of the bars and that I was in favor of a License System honestly ad-
ministered under an independent commission. I said also that I had years
before fought for the hotel keepers, and that I would always remain a true
friend to them, and that I was still in favor of the License System. When I
first came to the Legislature, and the Liberal Leader of his Koyal Opposition
in this House submitted to his supporters his resolution to wipe out the bars, I
opposed his policy. When the first vote was taken upon the resolution to
abolish the bars, I wrote a letter to the Whip of the Liberal Party, our worthy
friend. Mr. Bowman, stating that I could not support the resolution submitted
by the Liberal Iveader to the House, for my Constituents were opposed to it,
both Grits and Tories, and it was clearly stated in my letter to the Whip of my
Party that I was not in sympathy with that policy to banish the bars, and I
George V. 4tii Makcii. 49
had no mandate from my constituency to support it, and my statement was
borne out by the Liberal Whip, Mr. Bowman, himself. Unfortunately, Mr.
Bowman irot my letter too late and he had paired me in the vote with the
Honorable ]\reml>er for Manitoulin. The very next morning, when I saw that
I had been paired, I wrote a second letter to Mr. Bowman to protest strongly
against his action, and I have informed him again that I could not and would
not support the said resolution.
" Since I have been a Member of this House I have had the good habit to
visit my constituents every year during the recess of Parliament and to report
to them all the work of the previous Session of the Legislature. I declared
during that visit to my electors on the public platform that I had refused to
support my leader and my Party, and that I was not the only one, on the reso-
lution to banish the bars, that I had always been the true friend to the License
System well and independently administered in this Province, and that under
no consideration would I accept that policy of my Party to banish the bars, for
I knew that ninety per cent, of my county was against the abolition of the bars.
" Now, as you see, Mr. Speaker, my position was publicly known in Pres-
oott that I was opposed to the resolution of my Party to banish the bars. Some
of the newspapers of the City of Toronto and in the country have stated that I
was a traitor and that I was stabbing my Leader and my Party in the back, and
to that statement I oppose a strong denial, as my position in this matter was
well known long before I entered into politics, and it was also known to my
Leader that I was opposed to the abolition of the bars, and this fact was also
borne out by the Leader of the Opposition.
" I wish to state again to-day to the people of this Province that the
Member for Prescdtt is against the abolition of the bars, and my constituents,
both Gritss and Tories, are also against the abolition of the bars.
'* Now, Mr. Speaker, coming to the serious point of the letter read in this
House by the Honorable Member for Grenville in which I asked for salary
and financial support from the Association, I have to say frankly that in most
honest intention I wrote the letter and similar ones, as an individual, not think-
ing of my responsibility to the House, and not intending to affect the dignity
of the House. Anyone reading the letter must have realized that I had no
criminal intentions whatever, as the letter was not a private one, and can only
be attributed to thoughtlessness and foolishness on my part, in view of the con-
struction which it was possible to place upon its wording.
" If I had any criminal intention to do anything wrong at the time I wrote
these letters, and if I had any intention to sell my influence in the House, or
if I intended in any way to affect the dignity of the House, surely the members
of this House and the people of this Province will admit that I could deal in a-
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more confidential and secret way. I loudly and openly asked for a position and
financial support. T have never approached any of these gentlemen of the
Association personally, never knew them. All that I did was to write the letter
produced, and some others similar, and nothing more, Nothing came out of it,
I realize now. Mr. Speaker, and I have to admit it, that my action was against
the dignity of the House, and might have brought dishonor to my county. If,
Mr. Speaker, the sincerity, honesty and frankness, which haye inspired this
statement, have some weight in this House and the Province, I trust that my
apology to the House as a legislator, to the Province as a citizen, and to my
Constituency as their representative, will be accepted. I regret an action
committed unintentionally, and I desire to appear before this Plouse as any
straight and honest man should do in similar circumstances.
" GUSTAVE EVANTUKEL,
" M.P.P. for Prescott."
The letter read to the House by the Member for Grenville during the
Debate on the Amendment proposed by the Opposition in the matter of cur-
tailing the treating habit and the abolition of the Bar, on Wednesday, the 25th
day of February last, and alluded to in the statement of the Member for Pres-
cott, as above, is as follows: —
'' Dear Sir, —
Ontario Legislative xIssembly^
" Alfred. Ont., 4th September, 1913
" I have written a long letter to the Secretary of the Hotelkeepers' Asso-
ciation for Ontario, Mr. Allen, 28 Wellington Street, Toronto, asking him to
submit my letter to the Directors of the Association at their first meeting. In
that letter I pledged myself as a true friend of this Association and prepared
to fight in the House and vote against my Leader on that question of abolishing
the bars, etc. I have been in the past one of the speakers who has stood on the
public platform in the County of Prescott against the Scott Act when it was
tried some years ago in the Province. During this last summer I have visited
all my county and I have openly declared that I would not support my Leader,
Mr. Rowell, on his policy to abolish the bars and I have in my two previous
sessions voted against him in that respect. I am, and I have always been, a
true friend to the liquor interests, and I have been backed up by my con-
stituents in doing so. I am a poor man, living only upon my small Sessional
allowance, and do expect that the Association will see its way clear to help me
along, and in my letter to the Board I ask at least $10,000, payable $3,000 now,
and the balance per instalments in order to support me. I am prepared for
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that salary to be the defender of the Association and introduce before the
Legislature any amendments to the Government measures to restrict the liquor
traffic, etc. I am the only M.P.P. in the Ontario House who will pledge him-
self openly against that policy of Rowell and the restrictions to the trade
brought from time to time by the Government. I believe that it would be
useful to your Association to have an M.P.P. who would be there in the House
to accept and present to the House all the suggestions coming from your im-
portant body. Will you kindly support my application which is before the
Board at your next meeting? I will sign any agreement your Board will
require to be sured that I am the man who will fight for your cause in the
House. The newspapers of Toronto have published already my interviews with
the reporters at the time I have refused to support my Leader on that ground
of prohibition, etc. I am the only M.P.P. who has taken that open step in the
House and before the Province. I would like to have the matter settled up as
soon as possible as I have to be financially supported at the present time. You
may have known my late father, Hon. A. Evanturel, ex-Speaker of the Legis-
lature, and ex-M.P.P. for the County of Prescott before me, and during his
long and prosperous public life he has fought the battle for the hotelkeepers
whenever he had the opportunity to defend your rights, etc. Confident in your
strong support before the next meeting, I am,
" Very truly yours,
" (Sgd.) GusTAVE Evanturel,
" M.P.P. for Prescott County."
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House resolve itself
into the Committee of Supply, having been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And, after some time,
It was, on the Motion of Mr. McGarry,
Ordered, That the Debate be further adjourned until To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 5.50 p.m.
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Thursday, March oth, 1911.
Prayers. 3 O'Ci.ock P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upou the
Table:—
By Mr. Torrance, the Petition of the City Council of Stratford.
By Mr. Peck, the Petition of the City Council of Peterborough,
By Mr. Proudfoot, the Petition of Clifford T. McAllister and others of
Toronto.
The followinff Petition was read and received: —
^!!^
Of the Township Council of Crowland, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm a certain By-law fixing assessment on lots.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (No. 82), intituled " An Act to amend the Liquor License Act." Mr.
McDonald.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House resolve itself
into the Committee of Supply, having been read,
The Debate was resumed,
And, after some time,
It was. on the Motion of Mr. Munro,
Ordered, That the Debate be further adjourned until To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 5.55 p.m.
George V. Gtii March. 53
Friday, March 6th, 1914.
Pkayers. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought np and laid upon the
Table:—
By !Mr. Jessop, the Petition of the City Council of St. Catharines.
By Mr. Eilber, the Petition of the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation '
of the Diocese of London.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Second Report, which was read as follows and adopted.
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and find
the Xotlces, as published in each case, sufficient : — .
Of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Peterborough, praying that an Act
may pass authorizing the sale, or other disposition, of certain lands.
Of the Town Council of Waterloo, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law No. 490, respecting the Quality-Mattress Company. • •
Of the Guelph Radial Railway Company, praying that an Act may pass
to amend their Act of Incorporation and for power to construct branch lines: ' *
Of The Forest Hill Electric Railway Company, praying that an Act may
pass to increase their bonding powers and to extend time for construction of
their road. . ■
Of The Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville Electric Railway Com-
pany, praying that an Act may pass to extend the time for completion ^nd
operation of the road.
Of the Rev. G. Jean and others, of Sudbury, praying that an Act may pass
to incorporate the Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
Of the Corporation of the College of St. Marie, Montreal, praying that
an Act may pass to amend 16 Vic, cap. 57, by authorizing the Corporation to
acquire and dispose of property.
Of the City Council of Hamilton, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to issue certain further debentures.
54 6th March. 1914
Of the Town Council of Orangeville, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law ISTo. 1003 re issue of debentures.
Of the Town Council of Midland, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to enter into an Agreement with The Canada Iron Com-
pany, Limited, and to confirm By-law No. 865.
Of the Town Council of Parry Sound, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-law No. 415 i-e purchase of Parry Sound River Tmprove-
4nent Plant.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 9), intituled " An Act to confirm By-law No. 1003 of the Town
of Orangeville." Mr. McKeown.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 16), intituled " An Act respecting the Forest Hill Electric Rail-
svay Company." Mr. Godfrey.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 19), intituled " An Act respecting the City of Hamilton." Mr.
Eendrie.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 27), intituled " An Act respecting the Town of Waterloo." Mr.
Mills.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 28), intituled " An Act respecting the Guelph Radial Railway
Company." ^Ir. Scholfield.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 29), intituled " An Act respecting the Town of Parry Soiuid."
Mr. Galna.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
George V. 6th March. 55
Bill (No. 30), intituled " An Act to enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's
Presbyterian Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands." Mr. Peck.
Referred to the Commissioners of Estate Bills.
Bill (No. 33), intituled ''An Act respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport
and Beamsville Electric Railway Company." Mr. Jessop.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (Xo. 38), intituled " An Act to incorporate Sacred Heart College of
Sudbury." Mr. McCrea.
Referied to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 83), intituled " An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr.
(,'auieron.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 84), intituled " An Act to amend the Public Utilities Act." Mr.
Brewster.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 85), intituled " An Act to amend the Assessment Act. Mr, Henry.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 86), intituled "An Act to prohibit Political Contributions by
Corporations, Certain Associations and Government Contractors." Mr. Rowell.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
On Motion of Mr. Rowell, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
Application for license of William Smuck of the Township of Bayham in the
electoral district of East Elgin for the year 1913-14; the granting thereof;
the withdrawal of such application; all correspondence between the Department
56 6th and 9th Makch. 1914
and any officer thereof and the said Smuck, or the License Inspector or other
residents of East Elgin in reference thereto. 2. The application of the said
Smuck to be appointed License Inspector for East Elgin, and all protests
against his appointment. 3. All letters, reports or communications in reference
to the health or work by the former License Inspector, Mr. W. E. Andrews.
4. The resignation of the former License Inspector or N'otice of the Termina-
tion of his employment. 5. All protests or complaints during the years 1912,
1913 and 1914 from residents of Aylmer or other citizens of East Elgin in
reference to the lack of enforcement of the License Law and the conduct of the
hotels in Aylmer or of license officials of East Elgin.
The House then adjourned at 3.35 p.m.
Monday, March 9th, 1914.
Peayees. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Powell,
Resolved, That out of respect to the memory of the late The Honourable
Sir George Poss, K.C.M.G., for some years Prime Minister of the Province
of Ontario, this House do now adjourn.
The House then adjourned at 3.45 p.m.
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Tuesday, March 10th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Railway and Municipal Board their
Reports in the following cases : —
Bill (ISTo. 17), Respecting the Town of Lindsay.
Bill (No. 18), Respecting the Town of Dunnville.
The Reports were then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows : —
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario : —
Upon the reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Part II. of Bill (No. 17), intituled
" An Act respecting the Town of Lindsay," the Board begs leave respectfully
to report that in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable that Part II. of the
said Bill should be passed by Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntyre^
Chairman.
A. B. Ingram^
Vice-Chairman.
H. N. Kittson^
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto this 9th day of March, 1914.
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario : —
Upon reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (No. 18), intituled "An Act
respecting the Town of Dunnville," the Beard begs leave respectfully to report
58 10th March. 1914
that in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable that the said Bill should
be passed by Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntyrk,
Chairman.
A. B. Ingram^
Vice-Chairman.
H. N. Kittson,
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto this 9th dav of March, 1914.
Ordered, That Bill (No. 17), Respecting the Town of Lindsay and Bill
(No. IS), Respecting the Town of Dunnville, be referred to the Committee on
Private Bills with instructions to consider the same with reference to the sug-
gestions of the Railway and Municipal Board thereon.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Musgrove, the Petition of the Town Council of Goderich.
By Mr. Champagne, the Petition of the City Council of Ottawa.
By Mr. Sulman, the Petition of J. H. Coburn and others of the Township
of Maidstone.
By Mr. McNaught, the Petition of the City Council of Toronto.
By Mr. Anderson (Essex), two Petitions of the County Council of Essex.
By Mr. Sinclair, two Petitions of the County Council of Ontario.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of Clifford T. McAllister and others of Toronto, praying that an Act
may pass to incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford Railway
Company.
George V. IOtk March. 59
Of the City Council of Peterborough, praying that an Act may pass to
amend Acts relating to City and to change the name of the Water Commis-
sion to that of the Peterborough Utilities Commission.
Of the City Coimcil of Stratford, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to issue Debentures and for other purposes.
Of the City Council of St. Catharines, praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the issue of debentures re floating indebtedness.
Of the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation of the Diocese of London,
praying that an Act may pass empowering the Corporation to become a party
to Promissory Notes and Pills of Exchange.
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their First Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee report the following Bills without amendment : —
Bill (]^o. 2), An Act to authorize William Samuel Nelson Harold to
assume and use the name Samuel William Randall.
Bill (No. 4), An Act respecting The Beechwood Cemetery Company of
Ottawa.
Bill (No. 5), An Act respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College.
Bill (No. 22), An Act to confirm By-law Number 632 of the Town of
Welland.
Your Committee report the following Bills with certain amendments: —
Bill (No. 3), An Act to validate By-laws Numbers 511 and 512 of the
Town of Brampton.
Bill (No. 6), An Act respecting the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Asso-
ciation.
Bill (No. 20), An Act to incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bill (No. 5), Respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College on the
ground that the Bill is one relating to a Religious Institution.
60 10th Maech. 1914
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on
Bill fXo. 5). Ottawa Ladies' College.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
IHll (Noi 87), intituled " An Act respecting the Eoyal Ontario Museum."
Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 88), intituled " An Act respecting Eadium." Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Mr. Mayberry asked the following Question : —
1. How much, if any, of the $5,000,000 authorized to be raised by the
Province by 2 Geo. V, chap. 2, has been rais.ed. 2. Have any securities been
sold for the same. If so, when. 3. What part of the sum, if raised, has been
expended. 4. When was such expenditure, if any, made.
To which the Provincial Treasurer replied in the words following: —
1. 1912— See Statement No. 17, 1912 Public Accounts. 1913— See State-
ments Nos. 17 and 19, 1913 Public Accounts. 2. Above statements give de-
tails. 3. All sums raised paid into Consolidated Revenue Fund. 4. Answered
by No. 3.
Mr. McCormick asked the following Question : —
1. What Model Schools, if any, were established by the Government during
the year 1913. 2. Has the Government taken any steps to establish any Model
Schools in 1914. 3. If so, where will they be established.
And the Minister of Education replied : —
1. The following Model Schools were established in 1913: — Chatham,
Orillia, Guelph, Kingston, Cornwall. Renfrew, Madoc, Peterborough, North
Bay, Clinton and Hanover. 2. No. 3. Answered by 2.
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]\fr. Bowman asked the following Question: —
1. What amounts did the Government have on hand on the 31st of October,
1913, unexpended, in respect of the sale or other disposition of Provincial
securities under the several Statutes authorizing the sale of such securities or
the borrowing of money by the Province.
And the Provincial Treasurer replied : —
See Statement l^o. 1, pp. A. 16 to 19, Public Accounts, 1913.
Mr. Powell asked the following Question : —
1. What is the estimated Statutory Expenditure for the fiscal year ending
31st October, 1914.
To which the Provincial Treasurer replied : —
There are no Estimates of Statutory Expenditure.
Mr. Ferguson (Kent), asked the following Question: —
1. Has the Government sold any pine timber at Emerald Lake, near
Obabika Lake, in the Township of Afton on the Temagami Reserve. 2. If so,
what was the date of the sale ; the names of the purchasers ; and the price paid.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words
following : —
1. Xo public sale of timber has been made in the locality referred to.
2. The Golden Rose Mining Company on Emerald Lake was given permission
in March, 1912, to cut a small quantity of pine for mining and building pur-
poses. Under this permission they cut. in the season of 1912-13, 35,444 feet
P.M. of pine and 476 feet P.M. of maple and birch. They were charged and
paid $7.50 per thousand feet B.^L for this timber.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House resolve itself
into the Committee of Supply having been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And, after some time.
62 IOth Makcii. 1914
Mr. Atkinson moved iu Amendment, seconded by Mr. Eichardson,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word ''That" be struck out
and the following substituted therefor: —
''this House disapj^roves of and protests against (1) the presentation to
this House by the Honourable the Provincial Treasurer of financial statements
which do not fairly set forth the real character of the financial transactions of
the Government; (2) the extravagant and wasteful expenditure of public money
by the Government, as illustrated by the expenditure on new Government
House, when important public services such as Education and Agriculture are
in great need of further funds; (3) the vicious system of raising moneys on
the credit of the Province for particular purposes authorized by the Legislature,
and then applying these trust funds to other purposes — as illustrated by the
use during the year 1913 of over $600,000 raised for Northern Ontario, for
other purposes."
And a Debate having ensued, it was, on the Motion of Mr. Studholme,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Copies of Orders in Council authorizing payments out of Surrogate Fees
of the Counties of York and Simcoe in accordance with provisions of The
Surrogate Courts Act, Cap. 62, R.S.O. 1914. (Sessional Papers No. 61.)
The House then adjourned at 11.05 p.m.
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Wednesday, March 11th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By ]\Ir. Pacine, the Petition of the Township Council of Russell.
Air. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
'their Third Peport. which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and
find the jSTotices as published in each ease sufficient : —
Of the Town Council of Arnprior. praying that an Act may pass to con-
solidate certain sums expended and to be expended, for the installation of
Waterworks.
Of the Municipality of Shuniah, praying that an Act may pass to legalize
and confirm all Tax Sales.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law i^umber 1538 re purchase of lands.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to amend
the Act respecting the Waterworks of the City.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law and Agreement.
Of the Town Council of Leamington, praying that an Act may pass author-
izing the Town to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the County of Essex and
to become a separate Municipality.
Of the Xorth Midland Railway Company, praying that an Act may pass
to extend the time for the commencement and completion of the road and for
other purposes.
Of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm By-law ISTumber 753 authorizing the payment of a bonus
to F. H. Clergue and confirming a certain Agreement.
64 11th March. 1914
Of the City Council of Peterborough, praying that an Act may pass to
amend Acts relating to the City and to change the name of the Water Com-
mission to that of the Peterborough Utilities Commission.
Of the Town Council of Collingwood, praying that an Act may pass to
legalize a certain Agreement between the Corporation and the Imperial Steel
and Wire Company re Assessment and guarantee of bonds.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 8), intituled " An Act to consolidate a certain indebtedness of
the Town of Arnprior." Mr. McGarry.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board.
Bill (ISTo. 23), intituled "An Act respecting the North Midland Railway
Company." Mr. McFarlan.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (Xo. 24), intituled " An x\ct to confirm By-law Number 1538 of the
City of Windsor." Mr. Anderson (Essex.)
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 25), intituled "An Act respecting tJbe City of Windsor." Mr.
Anderson (Essex.)
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 26), intituled " An Act to confirm By-law Xumber 1670 of the
City of Windsor."" Mr. Anderson (Essex.)
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 31), intituled " An Act respecting the Municipality of Shuniali."
Mr. Hogarth.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill CXo. 39), intituled, "An Act respecting the City of Ottawa." Mr.
Ellis.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
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Bill (No. 42), intituled " An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie,
P. H. Clergiie and the Lake Superior Dry Dock and Construction Company,
Limited." Mr. Grigg.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 47), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Collingwood."
]\rr. Thompson (Simcoe.)
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 89). intituled, " An Act to amend the Act respecting Statute
Labour." Mr. McGarry.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Mr. Munro asked the following Question : —
1. Has the Lieutenant-Governor in Council complied with the Resolution
of the House of the 17th April, 1913, as follows: — " Resolved, That the Temis-
kaming and Northern Ontario Railway Commission, and the Hydro-Electric
Power Commission shall prepare for publication in the annual reports of each
of such Commissions, respectively, a statement of the receipts and expendi-
tures of each of the said Commissions respectively, in such detailed form as the
Lieutenant-Governor in Council may direct." 2. If so, on what date did the
Lieutenant-Governor in Council give such direction.
• And the Provincial Treasurer replied as follows : —
1. Yes. 2. March 5th, 1914.
Mr. Proudfoot asked the following Question: —
1. What fines were imposed as a result of the violation of the Liquor
License laws on vessels during the year 1913. 2. What were the dates of such
fines. 3. What were the names of the vessels. 4. Where were the cases tried.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
1. Seven, $200 each. 2. July 9th, 1913. 3. Steamers Corona, Cayuga,
Chippewa, Kingston, Rochester, Chicora, Toronto. 4. Toronto.
5-JOUE.
(•6 11th March. 1914
^Ir. Fero-uson (Kent), asked the followino- Question: —
1. Does the Government own or operate anv farms nsed for fruit demon-
stration purposes. 2. If so, how many; and where are they located.
And the Minister of Agriculture replied: —
The Government owns and operates a Fruit Experimental Farm at Vine-
land Station.
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question : —
1. Has the Government looked into the question as to whether there is any
radium-bearing ore in the Province of Ontario. If so, with what result. 2. Is
it the intention of the Government to offer a bonus to encourage the prospecting
for radium-bearing ore.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words
following : —
1. Yes, but so far with a negative result. 2. The intention of the Govern-
ment is shown by the Resolution and Bill (No. 88), already introduced.
On Motion of Mr. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Return showing for what
^Afunicipalities was the Report of the Lieutenant-Governor in Council in favour
of, or against, building an electric railway for such Municipalities.
Mr. McQueen moved, seconded by Mr. Marshall, —
That in the opinion of this House the Patronage system is inimical to
the highest efficiency of the public service and to the best interests of the
country; that public interests demand the creation of a non-partisan Civil
Service Commission with ample powers ; and that all appointments and pro-
motions in the public service should be by merit after competitive examination,
except in those cases where the conditions of the public service render this
impracticable.
George V. IItii .March. (17
Mr. Hearst moved in A niemlinent, seconded bv ]\Ii-. Duff,
That all the words in the Motion after the first word ''That'' be struck out
and the following substituted therefor: '"this House congratulates the people
of the Province on the fact that under the administration of public affairs by
the present Government, no such system as the Spoils System has any place ;
recognizes the difficulties which would surround the operation of a system of
so-called Civil Service over a small number of officials and that it would be
wholly unwise and practically impossible to bring under s)ich a system the
various officials in the service of the Province, including such officials as Regis-
trars of Deeds, Sheriffs, County Crown Attorneys, Bailiffs, Crown Land Agents
and Gaolers; this House recognizes the fact that success in a competitive exami-
nation is in no way a guarantee of pre-eminent or even ordinary fitness
for Government service of the character performed by the officials of this
Province, and this House also recognizes the wisdom and fairness with which
the Government has dealt with appointments and promotions in the Govern-
ment service."
And the Amendment, having been put, was carried on a Division.
The Main Motion, as amended, having been then put, was carried on a
Division, and it was
Resolved, That this House congratulates the people of the Province on
the fact that under the administration of public affairs by the present Govern-
ment, no such system as the Spoils System has any place ; recognizes the diffi-
culties which would surround the operation of a system of so-called Civil
Service over a small number of officials, and that it would be wholly unwise and
practically imj^ossible to bring under such a system the various officials in the
service of the Province, including such officials as Registrars of Deeds, Sher-
iffs, County Crown Attorneys, Bailiffs, Crown Land Agents and Gaolers; this
House recognizes the fact that success in a competitive examination is in no
way a guarantee of pre-eminent or even ordinary fitness for Government ser-
vice of the character performed by the officials of this Province, and this House
also recognizes the wisdom and fairness with which the Government has dealt
with appointments and promotions in the Government service.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House resolve itself
into the Committee of Supply, having been read,
The Debate was resumed,
And, after some time,
68 llTii AXD 12x11 Makcii. 1914:
It was, on the Motion of ^Ir. Bowman,
Ordered, That the Debate be further adjoiirned until To-uiorrow.
]Mr. Hanua presented to the House by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Inspector of Division Courts for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers, No. 5.)
Also — Report of the Minister of Public Works of the Province for the
year 1913. (Sessional Papers, No. 13.)
Also — Report of the Bureau of Labour for the year 1913. (Sessioi^al
Papers, No. 16.)
The House then adjourned at 6.00 p.m.
Thursday, March 12th, 1914.
Pkayees. . 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were severally broucht up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Beck, the Petition of the City Council of London.
By Mr. Fraser, the Petition of the Niagara Frontier Electric Railway
Company.
By Mr. Thompson (Simcoe), the Petition of the Toronto, Barrie and
Orillia Railway Company.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of the Town Council of Goderich, praying that an Act may pass to revive
the Act of incorporation of the Ontario and West Shore Railway Company.
George V
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69
.Of the City Council of Ottawa, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Corporation to acquire a site for a garbage incinerator and for other purposes.
Of J. H. Coburn and others of the Township of Maidstone, praying that
an Act may pass to incorporate the Town of St. Clair Beach.
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying that an Act may pass declaring
that the Toronto Railway Company shall operate its cars upon Queen Street
East, through to Munro Park.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: — ■
Bill (No. 90), intituled "An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr.
Garaey.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 91), intituled "An Act to amend the Division Courts Act."
Mr. McDonald.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
That ]\rr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House resolve itself
into the Committee of Supply, having been read.
The Debate was resumed.
And, after some time,
The Amendment, having been put, was lost upon the following Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowniian
Clarke
Elliott
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McCormick
McDonald
McQueen
Mageau
May berry
]\runTO
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — 18
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iini
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anaerson
Fallis
McCrea
Peck
(Essex)
Ferguson
McElroy
Pratt
Armstrong
(Simcoe) McGarry
Preston
Beck
Ferguson
McKeown
(Durham)
Bennewies
(GrenviUe) McXailght
Preston
BlacK
Foy
McPherson
(Lanark)
Brewster
Fraser
MacArthur
Pyne
Brower
Galna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Cameron
Gamey
Machin
Regan
Carscallen
Gooderham
Mason
Ross
Chambers
Grant
Mathieu
Shillington
Champagne
Grigg
Milligan
Studholme
Cook
Hanna
Mills^
Sulman
Crawford
lieaxsi
Morel
Thompson
Dar^avel
Heudrie
Musgrove
(Simcoe)
Devitt
Hogarth
Xesbitt
Thompson
Donovan
Jamieson
Nixon
(Peterboro)
Dutt
Jarvis
Norman
Torrance
Eilber
Johnson
Owens
Vrooman
Ellis
Jessop
Lucas
Pattinson
Pairs.
Westbrook— T3
, . . Marshall
The Main
Division : —
Anderson
(Essex)
Armsirong
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
Brower
Cameron
Carscallen
Chambers
Champagne
Cook
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Eilber
Ellis
Motion, having been then put, was carried on the following
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Fraser
Galna
Gamey
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Ilaiuia
PTearst
TIendrie
Ilotiarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Johnson
Lucas
Yeas.
Messieurs :
McCrea
McElroy
McGarry
McKeown
McXaught
McPherson
MacArthur
Macdiarmid
Machin
^fason .
]\rathieu
]\rilligan
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
Nesbitt
Nixon
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
( Lanark)
Pyne
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Sliillington
Studholme
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook— T3
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12tk March.
71
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson Elliott McDonald Proudfoot
(Bruce) Ferguson McQueen Racine
•Atkinson (Kent) Mageau Richardson
Bowman Kohler Mayberry Rowell
Clarke McCormick Munro Sinclair — 18
Pairs.
Jessop Marshall
And the House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Commitiee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums : —
91. To defray the expenses of the Lieutenant-Governor's Office. . $450 00
92. To defray the expenses of the Office of Prime Minister and
President of the Council 100 00
93. To defray the expenses of the Attorney-General's Department 982 37
94. To defray the expenses of the Audit of Justice Accounts .... 279 37
95. To defray the expenses of the Insurance Inspection 1,668 73
96. To defray the expenses of the Ontario Railway and Municipal
Board 5,050 00
97. To defray the expenses of the Education Department 4,591 43
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
That the Committee had come to several Resolutions ; also, That the Committee
had directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
12tii :\1ak(ii. 1914
^Ir. Gamev moved, seconded by Mr. Hogarth,
That, in the opinion of this House, the iron industry is one of prime
importance and its satisfactory development within our borders a matter of
national concern; that, notwithstanding the fact that there are immense de-
posits of iron ore in Ontario and the other Provinces of the Dominion now
lying idle or but little worked, the great and growing market for manufac-
turers of iron and steel, and also the demand for iron ore for smelting purposes,
are largely met by importations from abroad and especially from the United
States ; therefore, be it Besolved, That in the opinion of this House, the de-
velopment of Canada would be stimulated and public interest promoted by the
granting of such a measure of assistance by the Parliament of Canada as would
place the iron and steel industry of this country on an assured and permanent
footing.
And the Motion, having been put, was carried.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply,
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums : —
98. To defray the expenses of the Lands, Forests and Mines. . . . $575 00
99. To defray the expenses of the Land Sales and Free Grants. . 575 00
100. To defray the expenses of the Military Grants 125 00
101. To defray the expenses of the Surveys and Patents 1,075 00
102. To defray the expenses of the Woods and Forests 925 00
103. To defray the expenses of the Accounts Branch 464 83
104. To defray the expenses of the Forestry Branch 100 00
105. To defray the expenses of the Bureau of Mines 775 00
lOG. To defray the expenses of the Public Works Department. . . . 1,075 00
107. To defray the expenses of the Highways Branch 475 00
George V. 12x11 ^Mahcii. 73
108. To defray the expenses of the Colonization Koads 300 00
109. To defray the expenses of the Boiler Inspection Branch. . . . 7,431 .50
112. To defray the expenses of the Treasury Department 1,800 00
113. To defray the expenses of the Succession Duties Branch. . . . 2,1G3 37
114. To defray the expenses of the Audit Office 2,343 89
115. To defray the expenses of the Provincial Secretary's Depart-
ment 5,9G9 32
118. To defray the expenses of the Registrar-General's Branch. . 3,050 00
119. To defray the expenses of the Provincial Board of Health. . . 1,475 00
120. To defray the expenses of the iSTeglected Children's Branch. . 2,154 24
121. To defray the expenses of the Department of Agriculture. . . 875 00
122. To defray the expenses of the Colonization 450 00
123. To defray the expenses of the Agricultural and Horticultural
Societies Branch 200 00
125. To defray the expenses of the Institutes Branch 175 00
126. To defray the expenses of the Dairy Branch • 75 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
That the Committee had come to several Resolutions ; also, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
- Report of the Minister of Education for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 17.)
The House then adjourned at 10.50 p.m.
13th March. 1914
Friday. March 13th, 1914.
Pkayeks. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the County Council of Essex, praying relief in the matter of insuffi-
cient accommodation to the travelling Public on the Sandwich, Windsor and
Amherstburg Railway.
Of the County Council of Essex, praying for certain amendments to the
Tile Drainage Act, respecting the borrowing powers of Municipalities.
Of the County Council of Ontario, praying for certain amendments to
the Charitable Institutions Act, respecting the admission of certain patients
to Public Institutions.
Of the County Council of Ontario, respecting the admission of certain
persons to Houses of Refuge.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 36), intituled "An Act to provide for the withdrawal of the
Town of Leamington from the jurisdiction of the County Council of the County
of Essex." Mr. Anderson (Essex.)
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 37), intituled " An Act respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's
College in Montreal." Mr. McCrea.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Mr. Richardson asked the following Question: —
1. Has the Lieutenant-Governor in Council appointed any Inspectors pur-
suant to section 4 of the Building Trades Protection Act, 1 Geo. V, chap. 71.
2. Has the Government any information as to whether any Inspectors have
been appointed pursuant to section 3 of the said Act by any city, town, town-
ship or village. 3. If so, what cities, towns, townships or villages have appointed
Inspectors pursuant to section 3 of the said Act.
George V. 13tii ^r.vijcii. 75
And the Minister of Public Works replied in the words following: —
1, No case has been brought to the attention of the Government requiring
the appointment of an Inspector under said section. 2. The Government has
not full information as to the Inspectors that have been appointed, but an
investigation in the matter is in progress. 3. Answered by No. 2.
Mr. Rowell asked the following Question : —
Inquiry of Ministry: — 1. What will the Statutory Expenditure amount
to for the fiscal year ending October 31st, 1913.
And the Provincial Treasurer replied : —
1. See pages 573 to 594, Public Accounts, 1912-13, for full particulars of
Statutory Expenditure for the fiscal year ending October 31st, 1913.
Mr. Richardson asked the following Question: —
1. What was the item of $11,000 appearing on page 579 of the Public
Accounts, 1912-13, in the name of Hon. J. O. Reaume — accountable — expended
for. 2. Why does the said item so appear in the Public x^ccounts. 3. Why
were the said moneys paid over to the said Hon. J. O. Reaume.
And the Minister of Public Works replied: —
1. Work at the Town of Sarnia under the provisions of the Highways Im-
provement Act. 2. The work was in progress at the end of the fiscal year and
accounts not adjusted to make return to Provincial Treasurer before October
31st, 1913. Expenditure accounted for and will appear in Public Accounts,
1913-14. 3. In compliance with the provisions of 2 George V, chapter 11,
section 9, sub-section 3.
Mr. Bowman asked the following Question: —
1. What amounts, if any, have the Government been authorized by Statute
to borrow on the credit of the Province, which have not so far been borrowed
or expended.
76 13tii and IGtii March. 191-i
And the Provincial Treasnrer replied in the words and fignres following: —
1. See Statnte, 2 George V, chapter 2, and Statement iSTo. 17, page aG7
Public Accounts, 1912, and Statements Nos. 17 and 19, pages a68 and a70
Public Accounts, 1913; and for cash balance on hand October 31st, 1913, see
Statement Xo. 1, pages al6 to al9 Public Accounts. 1913.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 70), To amend
the Municipal Act having been read,
~Mr. Elliott moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And a Debate having ensued, it was
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until Monday next.
The House then adjourned at 3.55 p.m.
Monday, March 16th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Commissioners of Estate Bills their
Report in the following case: —
Bill (IN'o. 30), To enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
The Report was then read by the Clerk at the Table as follows : —
" OsGOODE Hall^ Toroxto,
"March 13th, 1914.
" Sir, — Referring to your favour of March 6th, 1914, forwarding a copy
of Bill No. 30, to enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church,
Peterborough, to sell certain lands : We, the undersigned, two of the Justices
of the Supreme Court of Ontario and Commissioners of Estate Bills, report : —
(reorf/e W 16'rii ^NFARcrr.
'* That, in our opinion, presnminc; the allegations contained in the Pre-
amble to the Bill to be proved to the satisfaction of the House, it is reasonable
that the said Bill do pass into law. The provisions thereof appear to us to be
proper for carrvino- the Bill into effect and we do not deem any alteration, or
amendment, thereof to be necessary.
"We are. Sir,
" Yours, etc.,
" Glexholme Falconbeidge, C.J.K.B.
" W. E. MiDDLETON, J.
" Arthur H. Sydeee^ Esq.,
" Clerk of the Legislative Assembly,
" Parliament Buildings, Toronto."
Ordered^ That Bill (^o. 30), To enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's
Presbyterian Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands, be referred to the
Committee on Private Bills with instructions to consider the same with refer-
ence to the suoo-estions of the Commissioners of Estate Bills thereon.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Armstrong, the Petition of F. F. Carney and others of Medora.
By Mr. Fallis, the Petition of the Town Council of Brampton.
By Mr. Eilber, the Petition of the Town Council of Sarnia.
By Mr. Devitt, the Petition of the Town Council of Bowmanville.
By Mr. Scholfield, the Petition of the City Council of Guelph.
By Mr. Hartt, the Petition of the Town Council of Orillia.
By Mr. McPherson, the Petition of the Rector and Wardens of St. Paul's
Church, Toronto.
78 IOtii .Makcii. 1!)14
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the Township Council of Russell, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the iSI"iagara Frontier Railway Company, praying that an Act may
pass to extend the time for commencement and completion of the road.
Of the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Company, praying that an
Act may pass increasing the bonding powers ; operation on Sunday, and extend-
ing the time for commencement of road.
Of the City Council of London, praying for certain amendments to the
Municipal Act re term of election for members of Board of Control and Alder-
men in Cities.
The following Bills were seA'erally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 2), To authorize William Samuel Nelson Harold to assume and
use the name Samuel William Randall.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (jSTo, 4), Respecting the Beechwood Cemetery Company of Ottawa.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 5), Respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 22), To confirm By-law Number 632 of the Town of Welland.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 3), To validate By-laws Numbers 511 and 512 of the Town of
Brampton.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 6), Respecting the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 20), To incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
George V. IGrii Mak-ch. 79
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (N'o. 74), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (No. 76), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (No. 78), To amend the Assessment Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 80), To amend
the Motor Vehicles Act having been read,
Ordered, That the Order he discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
Mr. Anderson (Bruce), asked the following Question: —
1. Have any officials of the Government been furnished with any supplies
from the Asylum farm at Whitby. If so, what are the names of such officials,
and the class of supplies furnished them or purchased by them.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied as follows : —
1. Yes, as a part of their compensation under the terms of their engage-
ment. 2. S. G. Hawley, Farm Foreman, John Dewan, Herdsman, and Thomas
Crouch. Messenger, all receive milk daily.
Mr. Studholme asked the following Question : —
1. How many domestic servants, and farm labourers came or were admitted
to the Province for the money expended for bonuses and advances to agents
and organizations as set out on pages 330, 331 and 332 of the Public Accounts
of 1912-13. 2. How many domestic servants were placed in homes, and where.
3. How many farm labourers were placed with farmers, and where. 4. How
many of such servants and labourers are now in service in the Province.
80 IGtii March. 1914
And the ^linister of Agriculture replied iu the words and figures
following : —
1. 2,640 domestic servants and no farm labourers. 2. 2,640 domestic
servants. 3. Xone. 4. iN'o information on this point.
Mr Anderson (Bruce) asked the following Question: —
1. What is the total expenditure to date in connection with the Jordan
Experimental Fruit Station. 2. When did Mr. Harkness cease to be Manager.
Was he dismissed or did he resign. 3. Who is the successor of Mr. Harkness;
and what was the date of his appointment.
To which the Minister of Agriculture replied in the words following: —
1. $148,302.54, including both capital and maintenance expenditures.
2. !Mr. Harkness is still Superintendent. He resigned under date of February
4th and his resignation takes effect March 31st. 3. F. M. Clement, B.S.A., his
appointment dating from April 1st, 1914.
Mr. Hanna j^resented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Provincial Board of Health for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 21.)
Also — Special Eeport of the Provincial Board of Health on the work of
the District Ofiicers of Health for the year 1912-1913. (Sessional Papers No.
21A.)
Also — Report of the Hydro-Electric Power Commission for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers Xo. 48.)
Also — Copies of Orders in Council in accordance with the provisions of
sec. 2, cap. 2, 2 George V, An Act for raising money on the Credit of The Con-
solidated Revenue Fund of Ontario. (Sessional Papers No. 63.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 11th March, 1913, for a
Return showing for what Municipalities was the Report of the Lieutenant-
Governor in Council in favour of, or against, building an electric railway for
such Municipalities. (Sessional Papers No. 62.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 2nd March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. What securities have been sold by the Province since
October 31st, 1912. 2. What was the date of the sales. 3. What are the names
of the purchasers. 4. What are the prices at which such securities were sold.
(Sessional Papers No. 64.)
The House then adjourned at 3.45 p.m.
George V. 17th March. 81
Tuesday, March 17th, 1914.
Peayers. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Jessop, the Petition of the Village Council of Grimsby.
By Mr. Nixon, the Petition of the County Council of Halton.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Fourth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and
find the Notices, as published, in each case sufficient : —
Of the Town Council of Trenton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws and an Agreement with the Canadian Northern
Ontario Railway Company.
Of the Township Council of York, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a By-law fixing the Assessment of Canadian Kodak Company,
Limited, and respecting the supply of water to certain portions of the Township.
Of Delphis M. Morin and others of Sudbury, praying that an Act may
pass extending the time for the commencement and completion of the Sudbury-
Copper Cliff Suburban Electric Railway and to ratify and confirm By-law
Number 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
Of the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes and Kingston Railway Company, praying
that an Act may pass extending the time for commencement and completion
of the road and to increase its bonding powers.
Of the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Company, praying that an Act
may pass authorizing the construction of a branch line from a point on the
main line to the City of Ottawa.
Of the City Council of Stratford, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing the Corporation to issue debentures and for other purposes.
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82 17th March. 1914
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying' that an Act may pass dcchiring
that the Toronto Eailway Company shall operate its cars npon Queen Street
East through to ]\runro Park.
Of the City Council of Sault Ste. Marie, praying that an Act may pass
to ratify and confirm certain By-laws ; the division of the City into Wards, and
for other purposes.
Of the Town Council of Wallaceburg, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm a certain By-law re construction of Water Works.
Of the Township Council of Russell, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying that an Act may pass to empower
the Council to pass certain By-laws ; to engage in the dead meat trade and
for other purposes.
Of the City Council of London, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws; authorize the issue of debentures and for other
purposes.
Your Committee recommend that Rule No. 51 of Yonr Honourable House
be further snspended in this, that the time for presenting Petitions for Private
Bills to Your Honourable House be further extended until and inclusive of
Monday, the 23rd day of ^March instant; and that the time for introducing
Private Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Monday, the 30th
day of March instant.
Ordered, That the time for presenting Petitions for Private Bills be
further extended until and inclusive of Monday, the twenty-third day of
March instant.
Ordered. That the time for introducing Private Bills be further extended
until and inclusive of Monday, the thirtieth day of March instant.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 12), intituled "An Act to confirm a certain Agreement and By-
laws of the Town of Trenton." Mr. Johnson.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
George V. ITtii March. 83
Bill (No. 14), intituled '' An Act respecting the Gananoque and Arnprior
Railway Compan^^" Mr. Champagne.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (i^o. 15), intituled '^Vn Act respecting the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes
and Kingston Railway Company." Mr. McElroy.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (iSTo. 40), intituled " An Act respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliff
Suburban Electric Railway Company and to confirm By-law Number 343 of
the Town of Sudbury." Mr. McCrea.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 45), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Toronto." Mr.
Crawford.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 51), intituled "An Act respecting the City of London." Mr.
McFarlan.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 65), intituled "An Act respecting the Queen Street Car Ser-
vice upon Queen Street East in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway
Company." ]\rr, Whitesides.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. ^Q), intituled " An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Town-
ship of Russell." Mr. Racine.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 100), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
Vrooman.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 101), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Voters' Lists
Act." :\[r. Hogarth.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
84 17th Makcii. • 10 U
Hill (Xo. 102), intituled "■ An Act to amend the ^Nrunicipal Act.'' Mr.
Ellis.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 103), intituled '^ An Act to amend the Ontario Voters' Lists
Act." Mr. Sulraan.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 104). intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
Pattinson.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 105), intituled "An Act to amend the Registry Act." Mr.
Pattinson.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 107), intituled " An Act to provide for Compensation to Work-
men for Injuries sustained and Industrial Diseases contracted in the course of
their employment." Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Mr. Foy, rising in his place, moved, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
That leave be given to introduce Bill- (Xo. 106) intituled "An Act to amend
the Legislative Assembly Act," that the same be now read a first time and that
the Bule Xo. ?»1, as to notice, be suspended.
Mr. Powell took objection to the motion, inasmuch as it did not divide
the Questions — 1st, the right to introduce the Bill, and 2nd, to suspend the Rule.
And j\rr. Speaker, being appealed to, decided, that the motion as proposed
was a proper one.
(reor(je \
ITtii ]VIakcii.
85
And his decision, having been apjiealcd against, was npheld upon the fol-
lowing Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Fallis
McElroy
Preston
(Essex)
Fo}
McFarlan
(Durham)
Armstrong
Eraser
McGarry
Preston
Beck
Galna
McKeown
(Lanark)
Bennewies
Godfrey
MclSTanght
Pyne
Black
Gooderham
McPherson
Rankin
Brewster
Grant
Mac Arthur
Reaume
Brower
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Regan
Cameron
Hanna
Machin
Ross
Carseallen
Hartt
Mason
Scholfield
Chambers
Hearst
Milligan
Shillington
Champagne
Hendrie
Morel
Studholme
Crawford
Henry
Musgrove
Sulman
Dargavel
Hogarth
Nixon
Thompson
Devitt
Jamieson
Norman
(Simcoe)
Donovan
Jessop
Owen«?
Thompson
Duif
Johnson
xj vv c-uo
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Lennox
Pattinson
Torrance
Eilber
Lucas
Peck
Vrooman
Ellis
McCrea
Pratt
Whitesides — 74
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
McDonald
Munro
(Bruce)
Ferguson
McQueen
Proud foot
Atkinson
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Bowman
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowel 1
Sinclair — 10
Pairs.
-
None.
Mr. Proudfoot then asked Mr. Speaker's ruling upon the question as to
the possibility of combining a motion for a first reading, with a motion to sus-
pend the rules.
86
17th March.
1914
And Mr. Speaker decided that upon extraordinary and urgent occasions
it was quite admissible and that therefore the motion of the Attorney-General
was quite in order.
And Mr. Speaker's ruling, having been appealed against, the same was
sustained upon the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Fallis
Lucas
Pratt
(Essex)
Ferguson
McCrea
Preston
Armstrong
(Simcoe) McElroy
(Durham)
Beck
Foy
McFarlan
Preston
Bennewies
Eraser
McGarry
(Lanark)
Black
Gdlna
McKeown
Pyne
Brewster
Godfrey
MclSTaught
Rankin
Brower
Gooderham
]\IcPherson
Reaume
Cameron
Grant
MacArthur
Began
Carscallen
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Ross
Chambers
Hanna
Machin
Shillington
Champagne
Hartt
Mason
Studholme
Crawford
Hearst
Milligan
Sulman
Dargavel
Hendrie
Morel
Thompson
Devitt
Henry
Musgrove
(Slmcoe)
Donovan
Hogarth
Nixon
Thompson
Duff
Jamieson
Norman
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Jessop
Owens
Torrance
Eilber
Johnson
Pattinson
Vrooman
Ellis
Lennox
Peck
I^AYS.
Messieurs :
Whitesides — 74
Anderson
Elliott
McDonald
]\runro
(Bruce)
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoo*
Atkinson
(Kent)
]\rageau
Racine
Bowman
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
AreCormick
AFayberry
Rowell
,
1
^v
Sinclair — 19
Paies.
None.
George V.
17th March.
87
Mr. McGarry then asked the ruling of the Chair as to whether, now that
Mr. Speaker's ruling had been sustained, it is within the Rule to debate the
Question of the first reading of the Bill.
And Mr. Speaker having decided that there could, be no Debate upon the
first reading of the Bill and his decision having been appealed against, the
same was sustained upon the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Fallis
McCrea
Pratt
(Essex)
Ferguson
McElroy
Preston
Armstrong
(Simcoe) McFarlan
(Durham)
Beck
Foy
McGarry
Preston
Bennewies
Eraser
McKeown
(Lanark)
Black
Galna
McXaught
Pyne
Brewster
Godfrey
McPherson
Rankin
Brower
Gooderham
MacArthur
Reaume
Cameron
Grant
Macdiarmid
Regan
Carscallen
Grigg
Machin
Ross
Chambers
Hanna
Mason
Shillington
Champagne
Hartt
Milligan
Studholme
Crawford
Hearst
Morel
Sulman
Dargavel
Hendrie
Musgrove
Thompson
Devitt
Henry
!N^ixon
(Simcoe)
Donovan
Duff
Hogarth
Jessop
JSTorman
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Johnson
Owens
Torrance
Eilber
Lennox
Pattinson
Vrooman
Ellis
Lucas
Peck
Nats.
Messieurs :
Whitesides— 73
Anderson
Elliott
McDonald
Munro
(Bruce)
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
Atkinson
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Bowman
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Paies.
iNone.
Powell— 18 ~
88
17th March.
1914
The Motion for the first reading and suspension of Rule 31, having been
then again put, was carried upon the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ellis
Lucas
lEesex )
Fallis
McCrea
Armstrong
Ferguson
McElroy
Beck
(Simcoe) McFarlan
Bennewies
Foy
McGarry
Black
Eraser
McKeown
Brewster
Galna
^IcNaught
Brower
Godfrey
McPherson
Cameron
Gooderhaiu
MacArthur
Carseailen
Grant
Macdiarmid
Chambers
Grigg
Machin
Champagne
Hanna
Milligan
Crawford
Hartt
Morel
Dargavel
Hearst
^lusgrove
Devitt
I lendrie
Nixon
Donovan
Henry
Xorman
Duff
Jessop
Oweus
Ebbs
J Dhnson
Pattinson
Eilber
Lennox
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne^
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Studholme
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 71
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Elliott
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McCormick
McDonald
jVIcQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell— 18
Pairs.
None.
And the Bill was read the first time, the Rule having been suspended.
Mr. Foy then moved,
That the Bill be read the second time forthwith.
George V. ITtji March. 89
And It bciiiii Six of the Clock,
Mr. Speaker left the Chair to resume the same at 8 p.m.
The House resumed, 8 p.m.
And a Debate having ensued upon the Motion for the second reading of
the Bill.
Mr. Kowell moved the adjournment of the House, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
for the purpose of discussing the application of Rules No. 43 and No. 45 to
the case in question.
And after argument pro and con, the Motion having been put, was lost
on a Division.
The Debate on the motion for the second reading was then resumed.
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
night.
Wednesday, 18th March, 1914.
The Debate continued,
And after some time,
Mr. Elliott moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. McQueen,
That all the words of the motion after the word "That" be struck out
and the following substituted therefor : "this Bill be not now read the second
time, but that it be resolved that a general Bill radically changing the law
of the Province with reference to the rights and privileges of the Members
of the House should not be passed without any prior notice and without o-iv-
ing the Members of the House, or the Electors of the Province, the oppor-
tunity of considering the nature and scope of the Bill. But that a Bill limited
in its operation to protecting the Honourable Member for Grenville from
disqualification in case it is made to appear to the House that the Honourable
Member inadvertently incurred such disqualification under the provisions of
90
17th March.
1914
the Act known as ^Tbe Legislative Assembly Act' could be passed without
opposition."
The Amendment, having been put, was lost upon the following Division :
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Elliott
Ferguson
(Kent)
]\rc'Donald
McQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proudfoot
Kaeine
Richardson
Rowell
Studholme — 17
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
(Essex)
(Simcoe) McCrea
Pratt
Armstrong
Foy
McElroy
Preston
Beck
Eraser
McFarlan
(Durham)
Bennewies
Galna
McGarry
Preston
Black
Godfrey
Mclleown
(Lanark)
Brewster
Gooderham
McPherson
P^me
Brower
Grant
Mac Arthur
Rankin
Carscallen
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Chambers
Ilanna
Machin
Regan
Cook
Hartt
Mason
Ross
Devitt
Hearst
Milligan
Sulman
Donovan
ITendrie
Musgrove
Thompson
Duff
Henry
ISTorman
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Hogarth
Owens
Torrance
Eilber
Jamieson
Pattinson
Whitesides— 61
Fallis
Lennox
Paies.
None.
George V .
17th March.
91
The Motion for the second reaflin^- having been then again put, was
carried on the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs.
Anderson
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
(Essex)
(Simcoe) AlcCrea
Pratt
Armstrong
Foy
McElroy
Preston
Beck
Fraser
McFarlan
1 L»urhdmj
Bennewies
Galna
AFcGarry
i^reston
Black
Godfrey
McKeown
(Lanarkj
Brewster
Gooderham
McPherson
Pyne
Brower
Grant
Mac Arthur
Rankin
Carscallen
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Keanme
Chambers
Hanna
Machin
Eegan
Cook
Hartt
Mason
Ross
Devitt
Hearst
Milligan
Sulman
Donovan
Hendrie
Musgrove
Thompson
Duff
Henry
Norman
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Hogarth
Owens
Torrance
Eilber
Jamieson
Pattinsoii
"Whitesides — 6L
Fallis
Lennox
Nays.
Messieurs: ■
Anderson
Elliott
Mageau
Racine
(Bruce)
Ferguson
Marshall
Richardson
Atkinson
(Kent)
Mayberry
Rowell
Bo^vman
McDonald
Munro
Studholme — 17
Clarke
McQueen
Proudfoot
Pairs.
None.
And the Bill was read the second time.
]\Ir. Foy then moved,
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House resolve
itself into the Committee of the Whole upon the Bill.
And the Motion, having been put, was carried on a Division and the
House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee, and after some time
spent" tlierein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair and Mr. McGarry reported
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain
amendments.
92
17th March.
1914
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Mr. Foy then moved
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Proudfoot moved in Amendment, seconded bj Mr. Anderson (Bruce.)
That the Bill be not now read a third time but be forthwith recommitted
to the Committee of the Whole House with instructions to amend the same
by striking out clause (d) of subsection (2) of section 2 and the following
substituted therefor : —
"The Honourable Member for the electoral district of Grenville, in respect
of any temporary employment in which he has heretofore been engaged in
the service of the Dominion of Canada."
And the Amendment having been put, was lost upon the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
Mageau
Racine
(Bruce)
Ferguson
Marshall
Richardson
Atkinson
(Kent)
?»r ay berry
Powell
Bowman
McDonald
M imro
Studholme — IT
Clarke
McQueen
Proudfoot
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
(Eusez)
(Simcoe) McCrea
Pratt
Armstrong
Fo>
[McElroy
Preston
Beck
Eraser
McFarlan
(Durham)
Bennewies
Galna
]\rcGarry
Preston
Black
Godfrey
]\rcKeown
(Lanark'
Brewster
Gooderham
McPherson
Pyne
Brower
Grant
MacArthur
Rankin
Carscallen
Grigg
^Facdiarmid
Reaume
Chambers
Hanna
^Machiii
Regan
Cook
Hartt
]\rason
Ross
Devitt
Hearst
^lilligan
Snlman
Donovan
Hendrie
[Mnsgrove
Thompson
Duff
Henry
^N'orman
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Hogarth
Owens
Torrance
Eilber
Jamieson
Pattinson
Whitesides— 61
Fallis
Lennox
I
Pairs.
None.
George T'
ITtji ^Iarch.
93
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put, was carried
on the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Ainl(>rsou
Fcro-uson
Lucas
Peek
(Essex)
(Simcoe) McCrea
Pratt
Armstrong
Foj
McElroy
Preston
Beck
Fraser
McFarlan
(Durham)
Tjennewies
Galna
McGarry
Preston
Black
Godfrey
McKeown
(Lanark)
Brewster
Gooderham
McPherson
Pyne^
Browtr
Grant
MacArthur
Rankin
T'arscallen
Grigs:
Macdiarmid
Pcaume
Ohambera
Hanna
Machin
Regan
Cook
Hartt
Mason
Ross
Devitt
Hearst
Milligan
Sulman
Donovan
Hendrie
Musgrove
Thompson
Duff
Henry
Norman
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
IToa'arth
Owens
Torrance
Eilbier
rJamieson
Pattinson
Whitesides— 61
Fallia
Lennox
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
Mageau
Racine
(Bruoa)
Ferguson
Marshall
Richardson
Atkinson
(Kent)
May berry
Rowell
Bowman
McDonald
Munro
Studholme — 17
Clarke
McQueen
Proudfoot
Pairs.
None.
And the Bill was then read the third time and passed.
The Honsp then adjourned at 4. ST) A.^L
94 18th March. 1914
Wednesday, March ISth, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor entered the Chamber of the Legis-
lative Assembly and took his seat upon the Throne.
The Clerk Assistant then read the Title of an Act that had passed as
follows : —
An Act to amend the Legislative Assembly Act.
To this Act the Royal Assent was announced by the Clerk of the Legis-
lative Assembly in the following words : —
" In His Majesty's name. His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor doth
assent to this Act."
His Honour was then pleased to retire.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table :—
By Mr. Johnson, the Petition of the Town Council of Trenton.
By Mr. Ellis, the Petition of the Morrisburg and Ottawa Electric Railway
Company.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of F. F. Carney and others of Medora, praying that an Act may pass to
incorporate the Town of Bala.
Of the Town Council of Brampton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the Town Council of Bowmanville, praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the Corporation to borrow upon an issue of debentures a certain sura
of money.
Of the City Council of Guelph, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Corporation to pass certain By-laws re issue of debentures.
George V. 18th March. 95
Of the Town Coiiiicil of Orillia, ])rayin2: that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the Town Council of Sarnia, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law.
Of the Rector and Church Wardens of St. Paul's Church, Toronto, pray-
ing that an Act may pass to vest certain lands.
Mr. Hendrie, from the Standing Committee on Railways, presented their
First Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills and have
prepared certain amendments thereto respectively : —
Bill (No. 11), Respecting the Peterborough Radial Railway Company.
Bill (xSTo. 33), Respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville
Electric Railway Company.
Your Committee have also carefully considered Bill (i^o. 23), Respect-
ing the ISTorth Midland Railway Company and report said Bill without amend-
ment.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (No. 110), intituled " An Act to amend the Forest Fires Prevention
Act." Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (jSTo. Ill), intituled "An Act respecting the Export of Pulpwood."
Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Mr. McQueen asked the following Question : —
1. How many female factory inspectors are employed by the Government
at the present time. 2. Over how many shops and factories have these female
96 ISth March. 1914
factory inspectors supervision (a) in Toronto; (h) in other parts of the Pro-
vince. 3. How many female employees are employed in the shops and factories
over which these female factory inspectors have supervision.-
And the Minister of Agriculture replied as follows : —
1. Two. 2. The records of the Factory Inspection Branch do not compile
this information, as neither male or female inspectors have sole supervision over
any factories. 3. Answered by Xo. 2.
Mr. JMcDonald asked the following Question: —
1. What persons, if any, did Mr. W. K. Snider, the Provincial License
Inspector, interview in the performance of his duty, or in reference to the im-
pending vote on the Scott Act, on the occasion of his visit to the 'County of
Welland on the 26th and 27th January, 1914.
And the Provincial Secretary replied: —
Mr. George House, License Inspector for Welland. Mr. Spencer, Mr.
Beatty and some others.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question : —
1. What persons, if any, did Mr. W. K. Snider, the Provincial License
Inspector, interview in the performance of his duty, or in reference to the im-
pending vote on the Scott Act, on the occasion of his visit to the County of
Huron on the 23rd, 24th and 25th January, 1914.
And the Provincial Secretary replied : —
Mr. Oliver Johnston, License Inspector ; Mr. Torrance, License Inspector ;
Mr. A. H. Musgrove, M.P.P., Mr. Buchanan and some others.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question : —
1. What persons, if any. did Mr. W. K. Snider, the Provincial License
Inspector, interview in the performance of his duty, or in reference to the im-
pending vote on the Scott Act, on the occasion of his visit to the County of Peel
on the 23rd January. 1914.
George V. 18t[i MARCir. 97
And the Provincial Secretary replied : —
Mr. J. D. Orr, License Inspector ; ^Ir. Fallis, M.P.P. for Peel.
Mr. Rowell asked the following Question : —
1. What is the total number of patients in the Hospital for Epileptics at
Woodstock at the present time. 2. How many applications are there on hand
for admission to the hospital of patients who have not so far been admitted. ' 3.
How many of these have been approved for admission as soon as vacancies
occur.
And the Provincial Secretary replied as follows : —
1.— 209. 2.-8. 3.-4.
Mr. Atkinson asked the following Question : —
1. What is the total number of patients now undergoing treatment at the
Institute at Orillia. 2. How many applications are there on hand for admis-
sion to the Institute of patients who have not so far been admitted. 3. How
many of these have been approved for admission as soon as vacancies occur.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the figures following: —
1.— 808. 2.— 209. 3.— 16.
Mr. Atkinson asked the following Question : —
1. Has any appointment been made to fill the position of Commissioner
of the Children's Court at Toronto rendered vacant by the death of the late
Eev. J. E. Starr. 2, If an appointment has been made, who is the appointee. 3.
If an appointment has not been made, does the Government intend to make an
appointment to fill the position.
And the Provincial Secretary replied by referring the Member to The
Ontario Gazette.
7-JOUR.
98 IStii March. 1914
^[r. McQueen asked the following Question: —
1. Who is the present License Inspector at Kenora. 2. When was such
License Inspector appointed, and by whom was he recommended for the posi-
tion. 3. Who was the predecessor of the present License Inspector at Kenora;
when was he appointed ; and how long did he continue in office. 4. Why did he
cease to be License Inspector. 5. Who composes the present Board of License
Commissioners for the Kenora district ; and how long a period have the present
commissioners respectively occupied the position of License Commissioners.
6. Who were their predecessors in office; and for how long a period did they
occupy the position of License Commissioners. 7. Did any of the said Com-
missioners resign ; if so, the date of the resignations.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following^—
1. Thomas Dougherty. 2. February 2nd, 1912. Mr. Machin, M.P.P.
3. J. Brenchley. September 26th, 1906, until 31st January. 1912. 4. Re-
signed. 5. Major the Hon. Jeffrey Edward Prendergast Vereker, Maxwell
Kirkpatrick Heap, Thomas Gower Downard. The first two from February
2nd, 1912 ; the third. March 28th, 1912. 6. George H. Kelley, Samuel Hun-
ter, W. A. Horn. The first two from January 19th, 1906, to February 2ndy
1912; Mr. Horn from January 19th, 1906, to February 12th, 1912. 7. Yes^
W. A. Horn. February 12th, 1912.
Mr. McQueen asked the following Question: —
1. Who is the present License Inspector in l^orth Waterloo, and for how
long a time has he occupied such position. 2. What had been the occupation
or occupations in which the present License Inspector in jSTorth Waterloo was
engaged before he was appointed License Inspector. 3. Have any complaints
been made to the Government that he was not enforcing the Liquor License law.
If so, by whom and on what dates. 4. Did the Provincial License Inspector
visit Xorth Waterloo during the present year as a result of complaints made to
the Department of the failure of the Inspector to enforce the Liquor License
law. 5. If the Provincial License Inspector visited ISTorth Waterloo during the
present year, how many hotels did he find were violating the Liquor License
law. 6. How many convictions did the Provincial License Inspector secure for
violation of the Liquor License law in I^orth Waterloo; and in what months
were such convictions secured. 7. Did the Government in the year 1912 receive
a resolution from the residents of Xorth Waterloo calling the attention of the
Government to the inefficient enforcement of the Liquor License law by the
present Inspector in Xorth Waterloo, and that a change be made in the In-
spector. If such resolution was received, what action did the Government take
George 1'. 18tii .Marcii. 99
thereoTi. 8. is the Government aware that Ferdinand Walter, during the
month of October, 1012, announced himself as a candidate in the Conservative
interest in North Waterloo in respect of the vacancy created by the resignation
of Dr. Lackner. Did the said Ferdinand Walter subsequently withdraw such
announcement and intimate that he would continue as License Inspector. 9.
Did the Government promise an increase in salary to the said Ferdinand
Walter in the month of October, 1912, or at any time after the resignation of
the said Dr. Lackner as the sitting member. 10. Did the Government during
the month of February, 1913, receive a request that the Provincial License
Inspector should continue in Xorth Waterloo until conditions were satisfactory.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
1. Ferdinand Walter; April 5th, 1905. 2. Storekeeper, hotelkeeper and
farmer. 3. Complaint was received from the Berlin and Waterloo Ministerial
x\ssociation enclosing a resolution dated December 16th, 1912, also from Rev.
T. Albert Moore and Rev. F. A. Robinson, of Toronto, in ISTovember, 1912, and
some complaints since then from private persons who requested that their names
should not be disclosed. 4. The Provincial Inspector visited i^orth Waterloo
in February last. 5. Sixteen. 6. Twenty-three convictions in March of the
present year. 7. Answered on the 16th day of February, 1913 (See Journals
of the House of that date). 8. Answered on the 5th day of March, 1913 (See
Journals of the House of that date). 9. Answered on the 25th day of February,
1913 (See Journals of the House of that date). 10. Yes.
On Motion of Mr. Mayberry, seconded by Mr. McCormick,
Ordered J That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
Whether the Minister of Agriculture or any officer or official of his Department,
or the Minister of Education or any officer or official of his Department, com-
municated with the district representative of Agriculture within the County of
Welland with reference to his attitude to the Canada Temperance Act or the
vote to be taken thereon on the 29th January last. 2. And if any communica-
tion was made, was such communication verbal or in writing. 3. And who was
the officer making the same, and what was the date thereof.
On Motion of Mr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. The
names of the license holders under the Liquor License Act in the City of
Toronto for the year from 1st May, 1908, to 1st May, 1909, and the place or
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places of business in which each license holder carried on business. 2. The
names of those license holders under the said Act, and the- location of the prem-
ises in which thev carried on business, whose licenses were cut off or were not
renewed in the year 1909 in Toronto. 3. The names of the license holders in
Toronto whose licenses were transferred with the approval of the Board of
License Commissioners in the years 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913; the
places in which they carried on business; the names of the persons to whom
licenses were transferred; and the locations of the premises in which the per-
sons to whom the licenses were transferred carried on business.
On Motion of Mr. Koliler, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. The
number of patients now under treatment at the present time in each of the
Hospitals for the Insane. 2. The total number of patients for whom orders
have been made for admission to the Hospitals for the Insane who have not yet
been received because of lack of accommodation ; and of this number how many
have been formally committed to these Hospitals.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 79), To amend
the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway Act, having been read,
Mr. Sinclair moved.
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And the Motion, having been put, was lost on the following Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Bo\\Tnan
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Elliott
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
McDonald
^funro
Sinclair — 17.
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Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McCrea
(Essex)
(Simcoe) McElroy
Armstrong
Ferguson
^IcFarlan
Bennewies
(Grenville) ^f^.Garrv
Black
Foy
McKeown
Brewster
Fraser
McNaught
Brower
Galna
MacArthur
Cameron
Gooderham
Macdiarmid
Carscallen
Grigg
Machin
Hanna
Mason
Chambers
Hartt
Milligan
Champagne
Hearst
:\[ills'
Cook
Henry
^lusgrove
Crawford
Hendrie
Nixon
Devitt
Jamieson
Norman
Donovan
Jarvis
Owens
Duff
Jessop
Pattinson
Eilber
Johnson
Peck
Ellis
Lucas
Pratt
Pairs.
None.
And so it was
declared in the negative.
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pjne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Studholme
Sulman
Thompson
(Slmcoe)
Thompson
(P<itPi-hnro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 69.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That when this House adjourns To-day, it do stand adjourned
until half-past Four of the Clock in the afternoon of To-morrow, the nineteenth
day of March instant.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 84), To amend the Public Utilities Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (No. 85), To amend the Assessment Act.
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Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 89), To amend the Act respecting Statute Labour.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums : —
128. To defray the expenses of the Stationary Engineers $150 00
129. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous 458 30
130. To defray the expenses of the Legislation 32,691 61
132. To defray the expenses of the Appellate Division 1,000 00
133. To defray the expenses of the High Court Division 76 14
134. To defray the expenses of the Central Office 440 00
135. To defray the expenses of the Registrar's Office 460 00
136. To defray the expenses of the Surrogate Clerk 150 00
137. To defray the expenses of the Commutation of Fees $1,119 55
138. To defray the expenses of the Inspection of Legal Offices. . . . 150 00
139. To defray the expenses of the Inspection of Division Courts. 450 00
140. To defray the expenses of the Land Titles Office 8,288 41
141. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous 46,852 62
142. To defray the expenses of the Administration of Justice, Dis-
trict of Algoma 1,750 00
143. To defray the expenses of the District of Thunder Bay 5,300 00
€reorge 1'. IStif MARcn. 103
144. To defray the expenses of the District of Kenora 1,420 00
145. To defray the expenses of the District of Nipissing 300 00
146. To defray the expenses of the District of Muskoka 200 00
147. To defray the expenses of the District of Parry Sound 1,534 18
148. To defray the expenses of the District of Manitoulin 523 18
150. To defray the expenses of the District of Rainy River 300 00
151. To defray the expenses of the District of Temiskaming . ... 150 00
167. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Brock-
ville 10,460 00
169. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Kings-
ton 3,630 00
170. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, London 7,430 00
172. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for Feeble-minded,
Orillia 6,970 00
173. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Pene-
tanguishene 156 00
174. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Toronto 11,310 00
175. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for Epileptics, Wood-
stock 3,385 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Brewster reported, That the
Committee had come to several Resolutions ; also. That the Committee had
directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
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Report of the University of Toronto Board of Governors, for the year end-
ing 30th June, 1913, (Sessional Papers, No. 18.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 27th February, 1914, for
a Return showing: — 1. What timber limits, or areas, have been sold by the
Government since the first day of January, 1913, and the total area of each.
2. The price at which each such limit, or area, was sold. 3. The names of the
respective purchasers and if any were sold at public auction. 4. And if any
were so sold at auction, which limit or area was so sold, and the dates on which
the several sales took place. (Sessional Papers, No. 65.)
The House then adjourned at 6.00 p.m.
Thursday, March 19th, 1914.
Prayees. 4.30 O'CLOCK P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Railway and Municipal Board their
Report in the following case : —
P>ill (Xo. 8), To Consolidate a Certain Indebtedness of the Town of Arn-
prior.
The Report was then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows : —
7'o fJie Ilonourahle the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
T^pon the reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (l^o. 8), intituled An Act to
Con?olidate a Certain Indebtedness of the Town of Arnprior, the Board beg
leave respectfully to report that in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable
that the said Bill should be passed by your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted,
D. M. McIntyre,
Chairman.
A. B. Ingram,
Vice-Chairman.
H. N. Kittson^
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto, this 19th dav of March, 1914.
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Ordered, That Bill (No. 8), To consolidate a certain indebtedness of the
Town of Arnprior be referred to the Committee on Private Bills with instruc-
tions to consider the same with reference to the suggestions of the Eailway and
Municipal Board thereon.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table : —
By Mr. Godfrey, the Petition of the Village Council of Mimico.
By Mr. Anderson (Essex), the Petition of the City Council of Windsor.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the Village Council of Grimsby, the Township Council of North
Grimsby and the Bell Fruit Farm, Limited, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the County Council of Halton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law authorizing issue of debentures.
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their second report, which was read as follows and adopted.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendment: —
Bill (No. 18), An Act respecting the Town of Dunnville.
Bill (No. 24), An Act to confirm By-law No. 1538 of the City of Windsor.
Bill (No. 26), An Act to confirm By-law No. 1670 of the City of Windsor
and for other purposes.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (No. 9), An Act to confirm By-law No. 1003 of the Town of Orange-
ville.
Bill (No. 25), An Act respecting the City of Windsor.
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Bill CNo. 42), An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie, F. H.
Clergue and The Lake Superior Dry Dock & Construction Company, Limited.
Your Committee recommend, that notwithstanding Rule 51 of your
Honourable House the time for receiving Reports of Committees on Private
Bills be extended until and inclusive of Friday, the Third day of April next.
Ordered, That the time for receiving Reports from Committees on Private
Bills be extended until and inclusive of Friday, the Third day of April next.
On ]\rotion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That owing to the regrettable illness of the Honourable Sir
James P. Whitney, leave of absence be given him for the present Session.
Mr, Richardson asked the following Question: —
When will the Revised Statutes be ready for distribution.
To which the Attorney-General replied in the words following: —
Vols. 1 and 2 of the Revised Statutes are now ready for distribution and
also for sale at a cost of ten dollars ($10) for the set of three volumes. They
can now be purchased from the King's Printer, the third volume to be delivered
>vhen bound.
The Order of the Day for the House again to resolve itself into the Com-
mittee of Supply, having been read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House do again
resolve itself into the Committee of Supply.
Mr. Bowman moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Munro,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted and
the following substituted therefor: —
" in view of the fact that the Financial Statements and Estimates pre-
sented to the House by the Government are so incomplete that it is not possible
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for the Members of the House to properly estimate the total expenditure for
the year, this House should not be called upon to vote further Supply until the
Govermnent lays before the House a fuller statement of the total estimated
expenditure for the current year, particularly the Statutory Expenditure, which
for the year 1913 amounted to $4,694,676.79, in order that the Members of
the House may see what will be the prospective deficit on the year's financial
operations."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost upon the following
division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
McQueen
Munro
(Bruce)
Kohler
Mageau
Proudfoot
Atkinson
McCormick
Marshall
Racine
Bowman
McDonald
Mayberry
Nays.
Messieurs :
Richardson
Ro well— 16
Anderson
Ferguson
McElroy
Pattinson
(Essex)
(Simcoe) McFarlan
Peck
Armstrong
Ferguson
McGarry
Preston
Bennewies
(GrenviUe) McKeown
(Lanark)
BlacK
Fov
McXaught
Pyne
Brewster
Eraser
McPherson
Rankin
Carscallen
Galna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Chambers
Grant
Machin
Regan
Champagne
Hanna
Mason
Ross
Hartt
Mathieu
Scholfield
Cook
Hearst
Milligan
Studholme
Dargavel
Hendrie
Mills
Sulman
Devitt
Henry
Morel
Torrance
Duff
Jarvis
Musgrove
Vrooman
Eilber
Lucas
Nesbitt
Westbrook
Fallis
McCrea
Owens
Whitesides — 59
Paies.
Gooderham Clarke.
Brower Sinclair.
lOS 19th March. 1914
And the House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums: —
152. To defray the expenses of the Public and Separate School
Education $50,281 07
153. To defray the expenses of the Xormal and Model Schools,
Toronto 2,567 00
154. To defray the expenses of the formal and Model Schools,
Ottawa 2,164 55
155. To defray the expenses of the iSTormal School, London 1,400 00
156. To defray the expenses of the ISTormal School, Hamilton. . . . 250 00
157. To defray the expenses of the Xormal School, Peterborough. 250 00
158. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, Stratford. . . . 910 00
159. To defray the expenses of the Xormal School, North Bay. . . 150 00
160. To defray the expenses of the High Schools and Collegiate
Institutes 11,800 00
161. To defray the expenses of the Departmental Library and
Museum 574 55
162. To defray the expenses of the Public Libraries, Art Schools,
Historical, Literary and Scientific Societies 4,007 51
164. To defray the expenses of the Maintenance, Toronto iSTormal
and ]\rodel Schools and Education Department and Mis-
cellaneous 3,935 45
165. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the Deaf. . 5,040 66
166. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the Blind. . 2,592 25
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McPherson reported. That
the Committee had come to several Resolutions; also. That the Committee had
directed him to ask for leave to sit again*.
George V. 20th March. 109
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented' to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Provincial Auditor's Report for the year 1912-1913. (Sessional Papers,
No. 66.)
Also — Minutes of the Proceedings in Conference of the Representatives
•of the Provinces, October, 1913. {Sessional Papers, No. 67.)
The House then adjourned at 11.10 p.m.
Friday, March 20 th, 1914.
Prayers. ' 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of the Morrisiburg and Ottawa Electric Railway Company, praying that
an Act may pass to extend the time for commencement and completion of the
road.
Of the Town Council of Trenton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law and Agreement of the ToAvn of Trenton.
All Rules governing the introduction of Private Bills having, by unani-
mous consent, been suspended.
The following Bill was, nemine contradicente, introduced and read the first
time: —
Bill (Xo. 114), intituled " An Act respecting the City of Ottawa." Mr.
Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time forthwith.
110 20x11 March. 1014
Tlie Bill was then read the second time and referred forthwith to the
Committee of the Whole Honse.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee, and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and ]\[r. Brewster reported,
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without anv amend-
ment.
Ordered, That the Bill he read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor entered the Chamber of the Legis-
lative Assembly and took his seat upon the Throne.
The Clerk Assistant then read the Title of an Act that had passed as
follows : —
An Act respecting the City of Ottawa.
To this Act the Royal Assent was announced by the Clerk of the Legis-
lative Assembly in the following words : —
" In His Majesty's name. His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor doth
assent to this Act."
His Honour was then pleased to retire.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (Xo. 41), intituled " An Act respecting the Town of Midland." Mr.
Hartt.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 115), intituled "An Act to amend the University Act." Mr.
McXaught.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
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Bill (Xo. 116), intituled ''An Act to amend the Municipal Act, 1913."
Mr. McNanght.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 117), intituled ''An Act to amend the Municipal Act, 1913."
Mr. McNaught.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 118), intituled " An Act to amend the Local Improvement Act."
Mr. McPherson.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 119), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Institutions
Act." Mr. Proudfoot.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 120), intituled "An Act to amend the Judicature Act." Mr.
Proudfoot.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 121), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Institutions
Act." Mr. Proudfoot.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 122), intituled "An Act to amend the Act respecting Special
Classes." Mr. Whitesddes.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 123), intituled "An Act concerning Operations for the Pre-
vention of Procreation." Mr. Godfrey.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 124), intituled "An Act to amend the Assessment Act." Mr.
Gooderham.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
112 20th March. ' 1914
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the fol-
lowing Bills : —
Bill (ISTo. 2), To authorize William Samuel ISTelson Harold to assume and
use the name Samuel William Randall.
Bill (Xo. 4), Respecting the Beechwood Cemetery Company of Ottawa.
Bill (Xo. 5), Respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College.
Bill (Xo. 22), To confirm By-law Xumber 632 of the Town of Welland.
Bill (Xo. 3), To validate By-laws Xumbers 511 and 512 of the Town of
Brampton.
Bill (Xo. 6), Respecting the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association.
Bill (Xo. 20), To incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
!Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without any amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time on Mon-
day next.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 83), To amend the Assessment Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 100), To amend the Municipal Act.
^Referred to the Municipal Committee.
rBill (Xo. 101), To amend the Voters' Lists Act.
^R.eferred to the ^Municipal Committee.
Bill,(Xo. 11), Respecting the Peterborough Radial Railway Company.
■ Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
•Bill (Xo. 33), Respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsvdlle
Electric Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
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Bill (iSTo. 23), Respecting the North Midland Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (]^o. 18), Respecting the Town of Dunnville.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 24), To confirm By-law Number 1538 of the City of Windsor.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 26), To confirm By-law Number 1670 of the City of Windsor
and for other purposes.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 42), Respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie, F. H. Clergue
and The Lake Superior Dry Dock and Construction Company, Limited.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 9), To confirm By-law Nunuber 1003 of the Town of Orangeville.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 25), Respecting the City of Windsor.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Detailed Report of the Superintendent of Insurance Transactions for the
year 1913. (Sessional Papers, No. 10.)
Also — Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies' Transactions for the
year 1913. (Sessional Papers, No. 11.)
Also — Loan Corporations' Statements, being Financial Statements made
by Building Societies, Loan Companies, Loaning. Land and Trust Companies
for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers, No. 12.)
The House then adjourned at 4.10 p.m.
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114 23rd March. 1914
Monday, March 28rd, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were read and received : —
Of the Village Council of Mimico, praying that an Act may pass confirm-
ing certain proceedings taken re Construction of Pavements.
Of the City Council of Windsor, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the issue and sale of debentures re cost of installation of Hvdro-Electric Plant.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 35), intituled " An Act respecting the Township of York." Mr.
Henry.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 125), intituled " An Act to prohibit the Employment of Women
bv Orientals." Mr. Godfrey.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow,
Mr. Sinclair asked the following Question : —
1. What is the total amount expended to date in connection with the Asylum
at Whitby. 2, How much has been expended (a) on buildings; (6) on lands
and the development thereof. 3. What is the total estimated cost of the entire
institution buildings and lands complete.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words and figures following: —
1. Total amount expended to February 28th, 1914 $447,344 IS
2. (a) Amount expended on Buildings, etc., to February 28th, 1914 —
On Buildings $104,251 57
G.T.R. Siding, Sewage Disposal, Waterworks,
and Repairs to Farm Buildings 32,931 98
$137,183 55
George V. 2oi{i) Maim ir. 115
Live Stock, Implements, Furniture and Fur-
nishings $30,545 76
Industries, Plant and Equipment 05,601 15
Stocks on Hand and Bills Receivable 65,121 58
Operation of Industries to be distributed as
to product produced 1,280 98
Total Maintenance, Patients and Prisoners to
be distributed against various operations. . 59,050 16
221,597 63
(6) Lands purchased $78,326 36
Fencing 441 01
Roads and Sidewalks 2,069 90
Farm Drainage 7,725 68
88,562 95
$447,344 13
3. Estimate based on population of 1,000 people-
Hospital Centre, consisting of Admission and Acute Hos-
pitals and Kitchen and Dining Rooms; Convalescent
and Industrial Cottages, including Kitchen and Din-
ing Room Buildings for same; Tubercular and Isola-
tion Groups; Power Station and Equipment; Laun-
dry and Stores ; Steam Heat ; Water and Electric Dis-
tributing System, Lands $1,378,326 36
As stated, this estimate is based on population of 1,000 patients, but pro-
vision is made to take care of increased population. To do this has necessitated
charging for Sewage Disposal System, Waterworks, Conduits and for similar
items which must, in the first instance, be put in with large enough capacity
to provide for subsequent increase in population.
Mr. Munro asked the following Question : —
1. What is the total amount expended to date in connection with the Guelph
Prison Farm. 2. How much has been expended (a) on buildings; (6) on lands
and the development thereof. 3, What is the total estimated cost of the entire
institution buildings and lands complete.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied in the words and figures follow-
ing:—
1. Total amount expended to February 28th, 1914 $1,094,971 71
110 i>3kd Makch. 1914
2. (a) Amount expended on Buildings, etc., to February 28th, 1914 —
Main Reformatory Buildings, including Din-
ing Room, Kitchen, Stores, Bakery,
Laundry and Bath House $381,594 60
Power House, Industrial and Farm
Buildings 133,190 64
$514,785 24
Live Stock, Implements, Furniture and
Furnishings $26,839 54
Industries, Plant and Equipment 81,508 64
Salaries of Foremen of Construction Em-
ployees and Operation of Industries to
be distributed against various operations. 4,874 41
Betterments, Renewals and Replacements. . . 3,984 70
Stock on hand 74,227 69
Temporary Dormitory and other temporary
buildings, material of which will be
available elsewhere 32,267 40
Bills Receivable 15,537 65
Preliminary Investigations 466 64
General Maintenance of Prisoners, to be dis-
tributed against various operations. . . . 219,351 50
C.P.R. Siding, Sewage Disposal and Re-
pairs to Farm Buildings 15,008 76
474,066 93
(h) Lands purchased $66,040 95
Fences, Improving Land, Roads and Bridges 33,010 07
Drainage 4,344 33
Orchard and Trees 2,724 19
106,119 54
$1,094,971 71
Main Jleformatory Buildings, consisting of two
Dormitories, two Cell Fronts, Adminis-
trative Buildings, Centre Guard Tower,
Dining Room, Kitchen, Laundry, Bath
House, Power Plant, Water Supply $627,294 60
Industrial Centre, consisting of Woodwork-
ing Factory, Woollen Mill, IVfachino
Shop, Stores and Dairy Centre 249,462 40
Lands 66,040 95
$942,797 95
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Mr, Ferguson (Kent) asked the following Question: —
1. Have any of the Boards of High School Trustees of the Province been
notified by the Department of Education that the grants to High Schools, com-
plying with the regulations will have to be reduced.
And the Minister of Education replied that,
The only notification sent to the High School Boards has been the usual
notice in the Regulations that where the Legislative grant was insufficient to
pay grants in full, there would be a pro rata reduction.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question : —
What persons other than Mr. Oliver Johnson, Mr. Torrance, Mr. Musgrove
and Mr. Buchanan did Mr. W. K. Snider, Provincial License Inspector, inter-
view in the performance of his duty, or in reference to the impending vote on
the Scott Act, on the occasion of his visit to the County of Huron on the 26th
and 27th days of January, 1914.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following : —
The Government has no further information other than that given to this
House on the 18th instant.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question: —
What persons other than Mr. George House, Mr. Spencer and Mr. Beatty
did Mr, W. K. Snider, Provincial License Inspector, interview in the perform-
ance of his duty, or in reference to the impending vote on the Scott Act, on the
occasion of his visit to the County of Welland on the 26th and 27th days of
January, 1914.
And the Provincial Secretary replied as follows : —
The Government has no further information other than that given to this
House on the 18th instant.
Mr. McQueen asked the following Question: —
What action, if any, does the Government propose to take in the matter
of the License Inspector for North Waterloo.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the negative.
118 ^Sru March. 1914
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No, 77), To amend
the Assessment Act, having been read,
Mr, McCormick moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And a Debate having arisen, it was, on the Motion of Mr. Marshall,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
^Ir, Hanna presented to the House by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Timiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway Commission
for the year ended October 31st, 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 47,)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 2nd j\[arch, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1, What amount was received by the Government from
Messrs, Taylor, Scott & Co, for the work done by prisoners from Central Prison
under its contract with Messrs, Taylor, Scott & Co., dated 1st September, 190.5.
for each year during which the contract was in force, 2, How long was the
contract in force, 3, What amounts were paid by the Government for debt,
damages or costs respectively in connection with or arising out of the said con-
tract. 4. To whom were such amounts paid. 5. Was the agreement between
Taylor, Scott & Co, and the Government changed after the agreement had been
submitted to the House and approved by it. 6. If it were changed, were such
changes embodied in an agreement in writing between the parties. 7, If it was
changed, was such change or modified agreement submitted to the House for
approval, (Sessional Papers No. 68,)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 18th March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. The names of the license holders under the Liquor License
Act in the City of Toronto for the year from 1st May, 1908, to 1st May, 1909,
and the place or places of business in which each license holder carried on busi-
ness. 2. The names of those license holders under the said Act, and the loca-
tion of the premises in which they carried on business, whose licenses were cut
off or were not renewed in the year 1909 in Toronto. 3. The names of the
license holders in Toronto whose licenses were transferred with the approval of
the Board of License Commissioners in the years 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912 and
1913; the places in which they carried on business; the names of the persons
to whom licenses were transferred; and the locations of the premises in which
the persons to whom the licenses were transferred carried on business. (Sessional
Papers No. 69.)
The House then adjourned at 5.55 p.m.
George V. 24th March. 119
— — _ — — ,
Tuesday, March 24-th, 1914.
PbaYERB. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were severally broua'ht np and laid upon the
Table :—
By Mr. Grigg, the Petition of the Young Men's Christian Association of
Sault Ste. !Marie.
By Mr. Hogarth, the Petition of the City Council of Port Arthur.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Fifth Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and
find the ISTotices as published in each case sufficient: —
Of the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation of London, praying that
an Act may pass empowering the Corporation to become a party to Promissory
iSTotes and Bills of Exchange.
Of the 'Town Council of Sarnia, praying that an Act may pass to erect
the Town into a City.
Of the Town Council of Sarnia, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law to raise $3,300 to pay for additional cost of con-
structing a sewer.
Of the Township Council of Crowland, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm a certain By-law fixing the assessment of part of Lots 25 and
26 in the 7th Concession of the said township.
Of -T. H. Coburn and others of the Township of Maidstone, praying that
an Act may pass to incorporate the Town of St. Olair Beach.
Of the Town Council of Aylmer, praying that an Act may pass authoriz-
ing issue of debentures re floating indebtedness.
Of the City Council of Brantford, praying that an Act may pass to enable
the Corporation to raise by way of debentures the sum of $2,500 for bridge
construction and to ratify certain By-laws.
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Of the City Council of Ottawa, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Corporation to acquire a site for a garbage incinerator and for other pur-
poses.
Of the Marmora Railway and Mining Company, praying that an Act may
pass to amend their Act of incorporation empowering the amalgamation with
other companies.
Of the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Company, praying that an
Act may pass increasing the bonding powers, operation on Sunday, and ex-
tending the time for commencement of the road.
Of Clifford T. McAllister and others of Toronto, praying that an Act may
pass to incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford Railway Company.
Your Committee recommend that Rule No. 51 of Your Honourable House
be further suspended in this, that the time for presenting Petitions for Private
Bills to Your Honourable House be further extended until and inclusive of
Monday, the 30th day of March instant, and that the time for introducing
Private Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Monday, the 6th day
of April next.
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented their
Third Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee beg leave to report the following Bills without amend-
ment : —
Bill (No. 27), An Act respecting the Town of Waterloo.
Bill (No. 30.), An Act to enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
Your Committee beg leave to report the following Bills with certain
amendments: —
Bill (No. 19), An Act respecting the City of Hamilton.
Bill (No. 37), An Act respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's College
in Montreal.
Bill (No. 38), An Act to incorporate Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bills Numbers 30, 37 and 3S on the ground that they are Bills
relating to Educational or Religious Institutions.
George V. 24tii March. 121
Your Committee recommend that notwithstanding Ivule 51 of Your Hon-
ourable House the time for presenting Petitions for Private Bills be extended
to and inclusive of the 30th March instant, and the time for introducing Private
Bills be extended to and inclusive of Monday, the 6th day of April next.
Ordered, That the time for presenting Petitions for Private Bills be
further extended until and inclusive of Monday, the thirtieth day of March
instant.
Ordered, That the time for introducing Private Bills be further extended
until and inclusive of Monday, the sixth day of April next.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on
Bill (No. 30), St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Peterborough; Bill (Xo. 37),
St. Mary's College, Montreal, and on Bill (N'o. 38), Sacred Heart College,
Sudbury.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (i^o. 57), intituled "An Act to consolidate the Debenture Debt of
the City of Stratford." Mr. Torrance.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board, except as to Section Fifteen.
Bill (JSTo. 46), intituled " An iict respecting the Marmora Railway and
Mining Company." Mr. Dunlop.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (Xo. 48), intituled " An Act to consolidate the Floating Debt of the
Town of Aylmer." Mr. Brower.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board.
Bill (Xo. 52), intituled " An Act to incorporate the City of Sarnia." Mr.
Eilber.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 53), intituled "An Act to incorporate the London, Grand Bend
and Stratford Railway Company." Mr. Proudfoot.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
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Bill (IsTo. 54), intituled '' An Act to confirm By-law No. 5, 1913, of the
Township of Crowland." Mr. Eraser.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 61), intituled " An Act respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal
Corporation of the Diocese of London." Mr. Eilber.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 68), intituled "An Act respecting the Toronto, Barrie and
Orillia Railway Company." Mr. Ferguson (Simcoe.)
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 92), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Sarnia." Mr.
Eilber.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 126), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
McElroy.
Order erl. That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 127), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
Henry.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 128), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
Henry.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
On Motion of Mr. Hearst, seconded by ^fr. Lucas,
Resolved, That the House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee of
the Whole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respecting Radium.
Mr. Hearst acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-
Governor, having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolu-
tion recommends it to the consideration of the House.
George V. 2-Itii March. 123
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the Lieutenant-Governor in Council be authorized to pay a
reward not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars to the first person proving
to the satisfaction of the Lieutenant-Governor in Council, that he has discovered
Radium in the Province of Ontario, in sufficient quantity for commercial
extraction.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Torrance reported, That the
Committee had come to a Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Torrance reported the Resolution as follows : —
Resolved, That the Lieutenant-Governor in Council be authorized to pay a
reward not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars to the first person proving
to the satisfaction of the Lieutenant-Governor in Council, that he has discovered
Radium in the Province of Ontario, in sufiicient quantity for commercial
extraction.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and re-
ferred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 88), Respecting
Radium.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Islx. Hearst,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider certain proposed Resolutions respecting the Workmen's
Compensation Act.
Mr. Pyne acquainted the House that Llis Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions recom-
mends fhem to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That, to assist in defraying the expenses incurred in the adminis-
tration of Part I. of ''The Workmen's Compensation Act" there shall be paid
1-24 24th March. l!>l-i
to the Workmen's Compensation Board out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund
such annual sum not exceeding $100,000 as the Lieutenant-Governor in Council
may direct.
That, where at any time there is not money available for payment of the
compensation under the said Act which has become due without resorting to
the reserves the Lieutenant-Governor in Council where it is for any reason
deemed inexpedient to withdraw the amount required from the reserves may
direct that the same be advanced out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund and in
that case the amount advanced shall be collected by a special assessment and
when collected shall be paid over to the Treasurer of Ontario.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Brewster reported, That the
Committee had come to certain Resolutions.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Brewster reported the Resolutions as follows: —
Resolved, That, to assist in defraying the expenses incurred in the adminis-
tration of Part I. of ''The Workmen's Compensation Act" there shall be paid
to the Workmen's Compensation Board out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund
such annual sum not exceeding $100,000 as the Lieutenant-Governor in Council
may direct.
That, where at any time there is not money available for payment of the
compensation under the said Act which has become due without resorting to
the reserves the Lieutenant-Governor in Council where it is for any reason
deemed inexpedient to withdraw the amount required from the reserves may
direct that the same be advanced out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund and in
that case the amount advanced shall be collected by a special assessment and
when collected shall be paid over to the Treasurer of Ontario.
The Resolutions having been read the second time, were agreed to, and
referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 107), To provide
for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and Industrial Diseases
fontracted in the course of their employment.
The following Bill was read the second time : —
Bill (No. 88), Respecting Radium.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
(Jeon/e V. 2-lrTii March. 12;
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 107), To pro-
vide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and Industrial
Diseases eontraetod in the course of their employment, having been read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And a Debate having ensued, it was, on the Motion of Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until a later hour of the Session
To-day.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums: —
194. To defrav the expenses of the Government House, Mainten-
ance.' $48 29
195. To defray the expenses of the Parliament and Departmental
Buildings 19,873 27
196. To defray the expenses of the Parliament Buildings 41,403 00
197. To defray the expenses of Xo. 5 Queen's Park 2,000 00
198. To defray the expenses of Xo. 4 Queen's Park 1,500 00
199. To defray the expenses of Osgoode Hall 7,991 58
200. To defrav the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Brock-
ville' 72,500 00
201. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Cobourg 2,900 00
202. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Hamil-
ton 25,950 00
203. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Kings-
ton 42,400 00
126 24x11 March. 1014
204. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, London $.')0,000 00
205. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Mimico 29,500 00
206. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for Feeble-Mindea,
Orillia 02.500 00
207. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Pene-
tanguishene 17,000 00
208. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Toronto 154,052 50
209. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for Epileptics, Wood-
stock 7,400 00
210. To defray the expenses of the Central Prison 127,083 02
211. To defray the expenses of the Mercer Peformatory 2,000 00
212. To defray the expenses of the Normal and ^Eodel Schools,
Toronto 1 ,425 15
213. To defray the expenses of the IsTormal and Model Schools,
Ottawa 52,300 00
214. To defray the expenses of the jSTormal School, London , 500 00
215. To defray the expenses of the jSTormal School, Hamilton, . , . 2,000 00
216. To defray the expenses of the ISTormal School, Peterborongh . 250 00
217. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, Stratford 1,300 00
218. To defray the expenses of the Xormal School, North Bay. , . 3,885 00
219. To defray the expenses of the English and French Training
School, Sandwich 500 00
220. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the Deaf,
Belleville 103,450 00
221. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the Blind,
Brantford 85,300 00
222. To defray the expenses of the Ontario Agricultural College. . 38,8S0 00
George V. 24th March. 127
■2-2'4. To defray the cxiiciises of the Ontario Vcrcrinai-y ColJc^c. . . .$.")2,2<)() 00
225. To defray the expenses of the Colonization and Immigration 250 00
226. To defray the expenses of the Muskoka District 890 00
2'27. [o defray the expenses of the Parry Sound District 17 00
228. To defray the expenses of the Manitoulin District 1,000 00
229. To defray the expenses of the Sudbury District 1,911 55
230. To defray the expenses of the Nipissing District 2,600 00
231. To defray the expenses of the Sault Ste. Marie District 200 00
232. To defray the expenses of the Rainy River District 57,300 00
233. To defray the expenses of the Thunder Bay District 5,300 00
234. To defray the expenses of the Kenora District 2,041 15
235. To defray the expenses of the Temiskaming District 70,000 00
236. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous 5,500 00
238. To defray the expenses of the Parks 20,212 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported. That the Com-
mittee had come to several Resolutions ; also. That the Committee had directed
him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit asain To-morrow.
The Debate on the Motion for the second reading of Bill (No. 107), To
provide for Compensation to Workmen, was then resumed.
And after some time.
The Motion for the second reading having been again put, was carried
and the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the
Whole House To-morrow.
128 24th March. 1914
The following Bills were severally read the second time : —
Bill (No. 81), To amend the Mining Act of Ontario.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 110), To amend the Forest Fires Prevention Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. Ill), Respecting the Export of Pulpwood.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills: —
Bill (No. 11), Respecting the Peterborough Radial Railway Company.
Bill (No. 33), Respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville
Electric Railway Company.
Bill (No. 23), Respecting the North Midland Railway Company.
Bill (No. 18), Respecting the Town of Dunnville.
Bill (No. 24). To confirm By-law No. 1538 of the City of Windsor.
Bill (No. 26), To confirm By-law No. 1670 of the City of Windsor and
for other purposes.
Bill (No. 9), To confirm By-law No. 1003 of the Town of Orangeville.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McNaught reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without Amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
George V. 24Tir and 25tii .^^AI{f'^. 12'J
Mr. Ilanna presented to the House,
A Return to an Order of the House of the 26th March, 1913, for a Return
showing: — 1. All the correspondence (including telegrams) passing between
the Prime Minister, the Attorney-General, the Minister of Crown Lands or any
other member or official of the Government and the Counsel or Solicitors for
Keewatin Power Company, or the Counsel or Solicitors for the Hudson's Bay
Company with reference to the action brought by these Companies against the
Town of Kenora for a declaration that they and not the Crown were the owners
of the water power on the East Branch of the Winnipeg River, and that the
lease from the Crown to the Town of Kenora was invalid. 2. A copy of the
telegram (if any), sent by the Prime Minister to the Counsel for the Keewatin
Power Company advising him that the Government did not desire to defend
its own title to the water power or be added as a party to the action. 3. All
correspondence (including telegrams) passing between the Town of Kenora or
the Counsel or Solicitors for the Town of Kenora, and the Government or any
Minister or official thereof with reference to these actions, and particularly all
communications requesting the Crown to take part in the defence of its own
title to the water power. 4. Copies of all correspondence (including telegrams)
passing between the Prime Minister, Attorney-General, the Minister of Crown
Xands or any other Minister or official of the Government, and Mr. W. H.
Hearst, acting as Counsel for the Government, in reference to these actions.
5. Copy of the judgments of the Trial Judge and the Court of Appeal. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 70.)
The House then adjourned at 10.50 p.m.
Wednesday, March 25th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Hendrie, from the Standing Committee on Railways, presented their
Second Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills and have
prepared certain amendments thereto respectively: —
Bill (ISTo. 40), Respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliff Suburban Electric
Railway Company, and to confirm By-law ISTo. 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
Bill (No. 15), Respecting the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes and Kingston Rail-
way Company.
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130 25th March. 1914
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Bill (Xo. 14), Eespecting the Gananoque and Arnin-ior Railway Company.
Bill (No. 16), Respecting the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company.
Your Committee have also amended the Preambles to Bills Nos. 15, 14
and 16 so as to make the same conform with the facts as they were made to
appear to yonr Committee.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (iSTo. 129), intituled "An Act to provide for the appointment of a
Fire Marshal for the Province of Ontario." Mr. Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 130), intituled "An Act to remedy and improve the conditions
of Assessment and Taxation in New Ontario." Mr. Mageau.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 131), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act." Mr.
Gooderham.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 132), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act, 1913."
Mr. McNaught.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 133), intituled " An Act to amend the Ontario Game and Fish-
eries Act." Mr. Anderson (Essex.)
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Hanna,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Commitee of
the Whole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respecting the remunera-
tion of a Fire Marshal.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution, recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House.
George V. 2.'J'rii ^rAifcii. lol
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That, for the purpose of providing a fund for the remuneration
of the Fire Marshal and other Officers appointed under the Fire Marshal's Act
together with fees and travelling expenses and witness fees, every person or
corporation transacting the business of Fire Insurance within the meaning of
the Ontario Insurance Act shall in addition to the taxes now required by law
to be paid by such persons or corporations pay to the Provincial Treasurer an
amount not exceeding one-third of one per cent, of the gross premiums received
by such person or corporation in respect of business transacted in Ontario
during the preceding year as shown by the annual statement furnished by the
Department of Insurance under the Ontario Insurance Act, in the case of
Mutual Fire Insurance Companies which receive premiums in cash the amount
to be calculated on the gross premiums received in cash in respect of such
business.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McNaught reported, That the
Committee had come to a Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. McNaught reported the Resolution as follows: —
Resolved, That, for the purpose of providing a fund for the remuneration
of the Fire Marshal and other Officers appointed under the Fire ]\rarshars Act
together with fees and travelling expenses and witness fees, every person or
corporation transacting the business of Fire Insurance within the meaning of
the Ontario Insurance Act shall in addition to the taxes now required by law
to be paid by such persons or corporations pay to the Provincial Treasurer an
amount not exceeding one-third of one per cent, of the gross premiums received
by such person or corporation in respect of business transacted in Ontario
during the preceding year as shown by the annual statement furnished by the
Department of Insurance under the Ontario Insurance Act, in the case of
Mutual Fire Insurance Companies which receive premiums in cash the amount
to be calculated on the gross premiums received in cash in respect of such
business.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and
referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (ilSro. 129), To provide
for the appointment of a Fire Marshal for the Province of Ontario.
132 25th March. 1914
^h. Marshall moved, seconded by Mr. Atkinson,
That in the opinion of this House cheap and convenient electric-railway
transportation facilities is one of the most urgent needs in many rural sections
and the towns of the Province, and this House is gratified to see the general
movement among the municipalities of the Province to secure improved electric-
railway transportation facilities through the Hydro-Electric Power Commis-
sion. That this House views with satisfaction the prompt manner in which
this question has been taken up by the Chairman of the Hydro-Electric Power
Commission, and would respectfully memorialise the Government of the Do-
minion of Canada to grant to Hydro-Electric Radial Eailways constructed by
or for the benefit of the municipalities of the Province under the direction of
the PTvdro-Electric Power Commission, a subsidy in all respects equal to that
granted to steam railways under the provisions of the Act governing the grant-
ing of subsidies to aid in the construction of railways.
Mr. Ellis moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Essex),
That all the words in the Motion after the word "Commission" in the
eighth line be struck out and the following substituted therefor: —
" and would respectfully urge upon the Dominion Government the im-
portance of the question and the wisdom of encouraging the construction of
Municipal Hydro-Electric Radial Railways, and that this House further re-
spectfully urge upon the Dominion Government the great importance of co-
operating with the Province in the development of the water powers created
by existing and projected canals and canals now under construction and capable
of such development, by the utilization of the waters necessarily supplied there-
to and not required for navigation purposes."
And the Amendment, having been put, was carried.
The original Motion as amended, having been then put, was carried unani-
mously, and it was.
Resolved, That in the opinion of this House cheap and convenient electric-
railway transportation facilities is one of the mos(t urgent needs in many rural
sections and the towns of the Province, and this House is gratified to see the
general movement among the municipalities of the Province to secure improved
electric-railway transportation facilities through the Hydro-Electric Power
Commission. That this House views with satisfaction the prompt manner in
which this question has been taken up by the Chairman of the Hydro-Electric
Power Commission, and would respectfully urge upon the Dominion Govern-
ment the importance of the question and the wisdom of encouraging the con-
struction of Municipal Hydro-Electric Radial Railways, and that this House
George V. 25tii March. 133
further respectfully urge upon the Dominion Government the great importance
of co-operating with the Province in the development of the water powers
created by existing and projected canals, and canals now under construction,
and capable of such development, by the ntilization of the waters necessarily
supplied thereto, and not required for navigation purposes.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the motion
for the second reading of Bill (I^o. 77), To amend the Assessment Act, having
been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And, after some time,
Jt was, on the Motion of Mr. Eilber,
Ordered, That the Debate be further adjourned until To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 90), To amend
the Assessment Aot, having been read,
Mr. Eowell raised the objection that clause 3 of the Bill was uUra vires of
a Private Member, and Mr. Speaker, being asked to rule, said that the matter
covered by the said section, relating to the taxation of lands, came clearly under
the Eule governing Aid and Supply and that therefore the point was well taken
and he ordered, accordingly, that the section be eliminated from the Bill as
introduced.
The Debate on the Motion for the second reading was then continued and,
after some time, it was
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
8 P.M.
The Clerk having announced to the House,
That Mr. Speaker was unavoidably absent and unable to take the Chair,
and having requested the House to nominate a Member to take the Chair,
134 25th and 26tii March. 1914
Mr. Foj moved, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
That the Honourable the Speaker, being unavoidably absent this evening,
this House doth, under the provisions of the Statute in such case made and pro-
vided, elect Anthony M. Rankin, Esquire, to take the Chair and preside as
Speaker for the remainder of the day.
And the Motion having been put by the Clerk, was declared carried unani-
mously, and
Mr. Rankin took the Chair accordingly.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (^NTo. 107),
To provide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and Indus-
trial Diseases contracted in the course of their employment, and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Musgrove re-
ported, That the Committee had made some progress, and directed him to ask
for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 10.30 p.m.
Thursday, March 26 th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Railway and Municipal Board their
Report in the following case: —
Bill (No. 13), Respecting the City of Fort William.
The Report was then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows: —
To the Ilonourahle the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of section 1, subsection 9 of Bill
George V. 26th Marcii. 135
(No. 13), intituled An Act respecting the City of Fort William, 1014. the
Board begs leave respectfully to report that in the judgment of the Board it
is reasonable that subsection 9 of section 1 of the said Bill should be passed by
Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntybe,
Chairman.
A. B. lNGRi\.M,
Vice-Chairman.
H. N. Kittson,
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto this twenty-sixth day of March, 1914.
Ordered, That Bill (No. 13), Kespecting the City of Fort William, be re-
ferred to the Committee on Private Bills with instructions to consider the
same with reference to the suggestions of the Kailway and Municipal Board
thereon.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By Mr. Dunlop, the Petition of the Town Council of Pembroke.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the Young Men's Christian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steel-
ton, praying that an Act may pass to validate a mortgage given to the Canada
Life Assurance Company and for other purposes.
Of the City Council of Port Arthur, praying that an Act may pass ratify-
ing and confirming certain By-laws and for other purposes.
Mr. Hanna, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their Fourth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bill without amendment: —
Bill (Xo. 8), An Act to consolidate a certain indebtedness of the Town
of Amprior.
136 26th March. 1914
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (Xo. 17), An Act respecting the Town of Lindsay.
Bill (Xo. 6(3), An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Township of
Russell.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (Xo. 58), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Peterborough."
Mr. Peck.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 62), intituled "An Act to incorporate the Town of St. Clair
Beach." Mr. Sulman.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 135), intituled "An Act for the better prevention of Ticket
Speculation." Mr. Gooderham.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
]]ill (Xo. 136), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Election Act."
Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill CXo. 137), intituled " An Act to prohibit Political Contributions by
Corporations, License Holders and Public Contractors." Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 138), intituled "An Act respecting Representation of the
People in the Legislative Assembly." Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time Tomorrow.
Bill (Xo. 139), intituled "An Act to amend the x\ct respecting Sana-
toria for Consumptives." Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
P.ill (Xo. UO), intituled " An Act to amend the Lidustrial Schools Act."
^Ir. Hanna.
Ordered. That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
George V. 26tii March. 13Y
Bill (No. 141), iiititiilofl '' An Act to amond the Tiulustrial Farms Ant."
Mr. Ilanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (]^o. 142), intituled ''An Act res))ectina; the Hospitals for Epilep-
tics." Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 143), intituled " An Act respecting Reception Hospitals for
the Insane." Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
for the second reading of Bill (No. 77), To amend the Assessment Act, hav-
ing been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And after some time,
The Motion for the second reading, having been again submitted, was
lost upon the following Division: —
Teas.
Messieurs :
Anderson Clarke Maaeau Racine
(Bruce) Kohler Marshall Rowell
Atkinson McCormick Mayberry Sinclair
Bowman McDonald Proudfoot Studholme — 15
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1914
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ebbs
McCrea
Preston
(Essex)
Eilber
McElroy
(Lanark •
Bennewies
Ferguson
McKeown
Pync^
Black
(Simcoe) McNaught
Rankin
Brewster
Foy
McPherson
Reaume
Brower
Galna
MacArthur
Regan
Cameron
Gamej
Macdiarmid
Ross
Carseallen
Godfrey
Machin
Shillington
Chambers
ITanna
Mason
Sulmaii
Champagne
TTartt
Mathieu
Thompson
Cook
Hearst
Morel
( simcoe J
Crawford
Hendrie
Nixon
Thompson
Dargavel
Henry
ISTorman
; Pet'*rt>ir»)
Devitt
Jamieson
Peck
Torrance
Donovan
Jarvis
Preston
Vrooman
Duff
Lucas
(Durham)
Pairs.
None.
Westbrook
Whitesides — 59
And so it was declared in the negative.
Mr. Mageau moved, seconded by Mr. Racine,
That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. Copies of all
correspondence during the months of November and December, 1913, passing
between the Honourable the Minister of Education, or anyone on his behalf,
and Henri Saint Jacques, who was during November and December, 1913,
an Inspector of English-French Schools. 2. The number of English-French
Schools which have complied with Regulation lY passed in 1913. 3. The
number of English-French Schools which have not complied with Regulation
17. 4, What English-French Schools have received grants under the Public
Schools Acts, and the amount thereof. 5. Copies of all reports, if any, made
by the Chief Inspector of Public and Separate Schools in 1913, pursuant to
said Regulation 17, and copies of all reports made by the Inspectors of the
Divisions, pursuant to Regulation 17. 6. Copies of any joint reports, if any,
made by any Inspectors, pursuant to Regulation 17. 7. Copies of all corres-
pondence passing between the Honourable the Minister of Education, or any-
one on his behalf, and any other person in 1913, having reference to the
manner in which Regulation 17 is being complied with by the teachers, in-
spectors and other persons to whom it applies. 8. All correspondence passing
between the Honourable the Minister of Education, or anyone on his behalf,
George V. 2Gtii March. 139
and any other person in 1913, complaining of the hardship or injustice of
Regulation 17, and asking that it be withdrawn or varied.
And a Debate having arisen,
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock midnight,
Friday, 2Yth March, 1914.
The Debate was continued.
And after some time, the Motion having been put, was carried, and it was
Ordered, That there be laid before the House a Return showing: — 1.
Copies of all correspondence during the months of November and December,
1913, passing between the Honourable the Minister of Education, or anyone
on his behalf, and Henri Saint Jacques, who was during November and De-
cember, 1913, an Inspector of English-French 'Schools. 2. The number of
English-French Schools which have complied with Regulation 17 passed in
1913. 3. The number of English-French Schools which have not complied
with Regulation 17. 4. What English-French Schools have received grants
under the Public Schools Acts, and the amount thereof. 5. Copies of all
reports, if any, made by the Chief Inspector of Public and Separate Schools
in 1913, pursuant to said Regulation 17, and copies of all reports made by
the Inspectors of the Division, pursuant to Regulation 17. 6. Copies of any
joint reports, if any, made by any Inspectors, pursuant to Regulation 17.
7. Copies of all correspondence passing between the Honourable the Minister
of Education, or anyone on his behalf, and any other person in 1913, having
reference to the manner in which Regulation 17 is being complied with by the
teachers, inspectors and other persons to whom it applies. 8. All correspon-
dence passing between the Honourable the Minister of Education, or anyone
on his behalf, and any other person in 1913, complaining of the hardship or
injustice of Regulation 17, and asking that it be withdrawn or varied.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Revised Rules, Orders and Forms of the Division Courts of the Province
of Ontario. (Sessional Papers No. 71.)
The House then adjourned at 12.55 A.M.
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Friday. :\rareli 2Tth, 1914.
Praykks. 3 O'CLOCK, P.M.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their sixth Report, which was read as follows and adopted.
Your Committee have carefully examined the following petitions and find
the notices as published in each case sufficient: —
Of the Ottawa Orphans' Home, praying that an Act may pass changing
the name of the Home and for amendments to their Act of Incorporation.
Of the Town Council of Cornwall, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law and Agreement re ^McGill Chairs, Limited.
Of the City Couiicil of St. Catharines, praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the issue of debentures re floating indebtedness.
Of the City Council of Port Arthur, praying that an Act may pass rati-
fying and confi.rming certain By-laws and for other purposes.
Of F. F. Carney and others of Medora, praying that an Act may pass
to incorporate the Town of Bala.
Of the Town Council of Bowmanville, praying that an Act may pass
authorizing the Corporation to borrow, upon an issue of debentures, a certain
sum of money.
Of the Town Council of Goderich, praying that an Act may pass to revive
the Act of Incorporation of the Ontario West Shore Railway Company,
Of the City Council of Guelph, praying that an Act may pass authorizing
the Corporation to pass certain By-laws re issue of debentures.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their seventh Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully examined the Petition of the Town
Council of Cochrane, praying that an Act may pass authorizing the Corpora-
tion to borrow a certain sum of money to pay off the floating debt, and for other
purposes, and find that notice of the proposed application to this Legislature
has been published for the requisite length of time in the " Ontario Gazette "
and also in the " Northland Post," a newspaper published in the Town of
Cochrane ;
George V. 27tii Makcii. 141
Your Committee 'also find that the Petition states that there have Ix'en
irregularities in connection with the Collectors' Rolls for the said Town in
years previous to 1914, and prays that the Corporation may, notwithstanding
such irregularities, be empowered to take all proceedings authorized by the
Assessment Act to collect all arrears of unpaid taxes ; of this there is no men-
tion made in the Notice, and your Committee therefore recommend that the
attention of the Private Bills Committee be directed to the matter.
Mr. Hanna, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their fifth Report, which was read as follows and adopted.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendments : —
Bill (Xo. 29), An Act respecting the Town of Parry Sound.
Bill (Xo. 61), An Act respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corpora-
tion of the Diocese of London in Ontario.
Bill (No. 92), An Act respecting the Town of Samia.
Your Committee beg leave to report the following Bill with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (No. 51), An Act respecting the City of London.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bill (No. 61), Respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal Cor-
poration of the Diocese of London in Ontario, on the ground that the Bill is one
relating to a Religious Institution.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on Bill
(No. 61), Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation of London.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 21), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Cochrane."
l\rr. Shillington.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board, except as to sections 9
and 10.
14:^ 27x11 March. 1914:
Bill (iSTo. 32), intituled "An Act respecting the Orphans' Home of the
City of Ottawa." Mr. Ellis.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 34), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Port Arthur."
Mr. Hogarth.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 43), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Cornwall and
McGill Chairs, Limited." Mr. Munro.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 60), intituled " An Act respecting the City of St. Catharines."
Mr. Jessop.
Referred to the Railway and Municipal Board with reference to section 1.
Bill (No. 63), intituled "An Act respecting the Ontario West Shore
Railway Company." Mr. Musgrove.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (No. 93), intituled '' An Act to incori)orate the Town of Bala." Mr.
Armstrong.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 144), intituled "An Act to amend the Surveys Act." Mr.
Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 145), intituled "An Act incorporating a Board of Racing
Supervision." Mr. Pratt.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (No. 146), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Land Surveyors
Act." Mr. Hearst
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
George \\ 27tu Makch. 143
Uill (IS'o. 147), intituled " An Act respecting the purchase of Timber
Limits of the Pembroke Lumber Company." Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Mr. Bowman asked the following Question: —
Does the Government intend to introduce any anti-treating legislation
this Session.
Mr. Hanna took exception to the Question in that it was one of a matter
of Policy and was not, as such, a proper one to be asked.
And Mr. Speaker being requested to rule said, that he considered the
objection well taken and that he would direct the Clerk to remove the Question
from the Order Paper.
Removed accordingly.
■ Mr. Marshall asked the following Question : —
1. Was Mr. A. H. Walker engaged as Science Master "of the Almonte
High School in the year 1913. 2. Had Mr. Walker passed the necessary
examinations qualifying him for such position. 3. Did the Department of
Education notify the Board of Trustees of the Almonte High School in the
month of January, 1913, or thereabouts, that they must cancel the engage-
ment of Mr. Walker because he would not be twenty-one years of age until
March of this year. 4. Has the Department been advised that the School
Board did so advertise and received only one application. 5. Is the Department
aware that the Principal of the High School wrote to the applicant, acting in
what he claimed to be in the interests of the work of the School, that it would be
better that there should be no change during the school term, and suggested that
she withdraw her application. 6. Has the Department suspended the certificate
of Mr. Jenkins, the Principal of the High School. If so, for how long a period.
7. Has the Department suspended the certificate of Mr. Walker, the Science
Teacher. If so, for how long a period.
And the Minister of Education replied in the words following: —
1. Yes. 2. He passed the examinations, but was under age to secure
qualification. 3. On September 11th. 1913. the board were notified that Mr.
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Walker was not qualitied and that he must have been aware of that fact on
applying. On October Gth, 1913, the board were notified that steps should be
taken at once to dbtain qualified teacher, but the board did not advertise till
January. 1914. 4. Yes; one application considered suitable by the board.
5. No; not in these terms. 6. Yes; from April 9th to September Ist of the
present year. 7. No ; he has never had a High School certificate.
Mr. Mageau asked the following Question: —
1. Was any privilege to cut timber at Mileage 791/2 on the T. & N. O.
Railway granted to Messrs. Black & Weegar. 2. If the privilege was granted,
what was the date of such granting and the terms thereof. 3. How much
timber has been cut by them under such permit or privilege, if any.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words and
figures following: —
1. No privilege was granted to them. An area of about 200 acres in the
locality referred to was put up to public tender. Messrs. Black & Weegar were
the highest tenderers, and the timber was accordingly awarded to them. 2. The
sale by public tender was held on the 25th of October, 1912. The price ten-
dered was: White Pine, $8 per thousand feet board measure, including dues,
and Red Pine $7 per thousand feet B.M., including dues. The timber was to
be cut by the 30th of April, 1913. 3. 3,750 pieces of pine, making 213,204
feet B.M.
Mr. Anderson (Bruce) asked the following Question: —
1. What action (if any) has the Governiiient taken to fill the Bursarship
of the Kingston Asylum made vacant by the death of the late William Dick.
If an appointment has been made, who is the person so appointed.
And the Provincial Secretary replied: —
That no action has been taken.
On Motion of Mr. Kohler, seconded by Mr. Mayberry,
Ordered, That there be laid before the House a Return shewing: — 1. The
conditions upon which grants are made to rural public schools. 2. Were the
George V. 27th Maboh. 14i
grants to the rural public schools of Ontario in 1913 less per school in 1913
than they were in the year 1912. If so, how much. 3. Has the Department
of Education notified the Boards of Public School Trustees of Rural Schools,
or any of them, that they cannot pay the grant provided for by the regulations.
4. If such notice has been given, upon what their ground for refusing to pay,
the grants. 5. Has the Department of Education notified the School Boards
of Rural Schools, or any of them, that the grants this year would be cut down
28 per cent., or any amount whatever. If so, how much.
On Motion of Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mr. Mayberry,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return shewing: — 1. If
there was a deficit in the financial operations of the Provincial University for
the fiscal year ending 1912. If so, how much. 2. Was there a deficit in the
financial operations of the Provincial University for the fiscal year 1913. If
so, how much. 3. If there have been deficits during the years 1912-13, or either
of them, how have these deficits been provided for. 4. WTiat is the estimated
expenditure of the Provincial University for the current fiscal year. 5. What
is the estimated revenue of the University for the current fiscal year.
On Motion of Mr. Sinclair, seconded hj Mr. Mayberry,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. If
there was an option given to the firm of Murray, Mather & Co. to purchase
certain Government securities during the calendar year 1913. 2. If so, what
was the date of the option, and what were the character, amount and price of
the securities covered by it. 3. Was such option, if any, exercised; and if so,
to what extent.
On Motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded bv Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return show^ing: — 1.
Copy of evidence of Mr. Taylor, of Messrs. Taylor, Scott & Co., given before
the Dominion Penitentiary Investigation Commission, of which Mr. 6. M.
Macdonnell, K.C., of Kingston, is Chairman, and which was taken in short-
hand by a Stenographer provided by Dr. Gilmour, Warden of the Central
Prison, such evidence or a copy thereof being now in the custody or control
of the Provincial Secretary, or of some of the officers or officials of his Depart-
10-JOUK.
140 27th March. 191i
meut, or of the institutions under the control of his Department. 2. Copies
of all correspondence passing between the Provincial Secretary, or any oflBcer
or official of his Department, or any officer or official of any of the insti-
tutions under the charge of his Department, and Mr. Joseph Downey, in refer-
ence to the said evidence or the production thereof.
On Motion of Mr. Anderson (Bruce), seconded by Mr. Ferguson (Kent),
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Eeturn showing: — 1. All
correspondence with reference to the resignation of Mr. Harkness, Manager
or Superintendent of the Jordan Experimental Station. 2. The reports of the
Committee or Advisory Board of the said farm for the years 1911, 1912 and
1913. 3. Statement showing the total expenditure to date, divided between
cost of building, cost of land, improvements of land and cost of management.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 116), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
■ Bill (Xo. 117), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 118), To amend The Local Improvement Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (Is^o. 119), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 121), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill rXo. 127), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
George V. 27t]i March. 147
Bill (No. 128), To amend The Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (No. 27), Respecting the Town of Waterloo.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 30), To enable the Trjstees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 37), Respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's College in
Montreal.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 38), To incorporate Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 40), Respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliff Suburban Electric
Railway Company and to confirm By-law Number 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 15), Respecting the Ottawa,- Rideau Lakes and Kingston Rail-
way Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 14), Respecting the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 16), Respecting the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 8), To consolidate a certain indebtedness of the Town of Arn-
prior.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 17), Respecting the Town of Lindsay.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
148 27th March. 191i
Bill (Xo. 66), To confirm certain By-laws of the Township of lUissoll.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (ISTo. 115), To amend
the University Act, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills: —
Bill rNo. 42). Respecting the City of Sanlt Ste. Marie, F. H. Clergue
aiul The Lake Superior Dry Dock and Construction Company, Limited.
Bill (Xo. 25), Respecting the City of Windsor.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; anH Mr. Owens reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time on Mon-
dav next.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That, beginning on Monday next and for each succeeding Mon-
day during the Session, Government Orders shall be placed upon the Order
Paper.
^Nfr. Hanna presented to the House by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of Births, Marriages and Deaths for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 20.)
Also — Final Report of Commissioner on Laws Relating to the Liability of
Employers to make Compensation to their Employees. (Sessional Papers
No. 53.)
Georr/e V. 27tu and 30tii ]\lAi{cn. 149
Also — Memorandnm showine; the Policy of the Government re Forest Re-
sen^ea. {Sessional Papers No. 72.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 6th March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. Application for license of William Smuck of the Town-
ship of Bayham in the electoral district of East Elgin for the year 1913-14;
the granting thereof; the withdrawal of such application; all correspondence
between the Department and any officer thereof and the said Smuck, or the
License Inspector or other residents of East Elgin in reference thereto. 2.
The application of the said Smuck to be appointed License Inspector for East
Elgin, and all protests against his appointment. 3. All letters, reports or com-
munications in reference to the health or work by the former License Inspector,
Mr. W. R. Andrews. 4. The resignation of the former License Inspector or
Notice of the Termination of his employment. 5. All protests or complaints
during the years, 1912, 1913 and 1914 from residents of Aylmer or other citi-
zens of East Elgin in reference to the lack of enforcement of the License Law
and the conduct of the hotels in Aylmer or of license officials of East Elgin.
(Sessional Papers No. QQ.)
The House then adjourned at 5.35 p.m.
Monday. March 30th, 1914.
Peayees. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petition was read and received: —
Of the Town Council of Pembroke, praying that an Act may pass to
ratify and confirm certain By-laws.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills: —
Bill (No. 2Y), Respecting the Town of Waterloo.
Bill (No. 30), To enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
Bill (No. 15), Respecting the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes and Kingston -Rail-
way Company.
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Bill (Xo. 14), Respecting the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Com-
pany.
Bill (No. 16), Respecting the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company.
Bill (No. 8), To consolidate a certain indebtedness of the Town of
Arnprior.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McCrea reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 19), Respect-
ing the City of Hamilton, having been read,
Mr. Hendrie moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
Mr. Studholme moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. McDonald,
That the Bill be not now read the second time, but be recommitted to the
Committee on Private Bills for reconsideration.
And a Debate havino; ensued, it was
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time:— r
Bill (No. 29), Respecting the Town of Parry Sound.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill TNo. ni). Respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation
of the Diocese of Tx»ndon in Ontario.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
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Bill (No. 92), Respecting the Town of Sarnia.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (jSTo. 51), Respecting the City of London.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Mr. Kohler asked the following Question: —
1. Is it the intention of the Government to make any Capital Expenditure
on account of the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway during the
present fiscal year. 2. If so, what is the estimated expenditure, and what are
the purposes for which the money is to be expended. 3. How is the money to
be provided to meet any contemplated capital expenditure.
To which the Minister of Public Works replied as follows: —
There will be capital expenditure upon the Temiskaming and Northern
Ontario Railway for the present fiscal year, but the amount of such expendi-
ture has not yet been decided upon.
Mr. Mageau asked the following Question: —
1. Has the position vacated by Mr. Henri St. Jacques, Inspector of
bi-lingual schools in Northern Ontario, been filled. 2. If so, when, and by
whom. 3. If not, why not.
And the Minister of Education replied in the words following: —
1. J. M. Fleury, M.A., Ottawa, was appointed to succeed Henri St.
Jacques as Inspector of English-French Schools, and has been so employed
since November 29th, 1913.
On Motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return shewing: —
1. What was the estimated cost of the heating plant for the Toronto University.
2. What was the actual cost of the plant when fully completed. 3. Has the
total amount been paid ; if not, what amount, if any, is held in reserve. 4. And
if the heating plant is giving satisfaction.
15:^ 30tii Maech. 1914
On Motion of Mr. Miinro, seconded by Mr. Ferguson (Kent),
Ordered, Tliat there be laid before this House a Tleturn shewing: — 1. A
copy of the correspondence passing between the Provincial Treasurer or- any
member of the Government and the Hydro-Electric Power Commission and
the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway Commission, since the 17th
April, 1913, relative to the statements of receipts and expenditures of the
Hydro-Electric Power Commission and the Temiskaming and Northern On-
tario Railway Commission, which were directed to be made by resolution of
the House passed I7th April, 1913. 2. A copy of the Order-in-Council dated
March 5th, 1914, prescribing the form which such statements are to take.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the motion
for the second reading of Bill (No. 70), To amend the Municipal Act, 1913,
having been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And after some time, it was
Ordered, That the Debate be further adjourned until To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 82), To amend
the Liquor License Act, having been read,
Mr. McDonald moved.
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And the Motion, having been put, was lost on a Division.
And so it was declared in the Negative. '
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 102), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
George V. 30tii Maech. 153
( —
Bill (No. 104), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the IMunicipal Committee.
Bill (No. 126), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 81), To
araejid the Mining Act of Ontario, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported, That
the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill Be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 110),
To amend the Forest Fires Prevention Act, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported, That
the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 88),
Respecting Radium, and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed
the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported. That the Committee had
directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow,
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. Ill),
Respecting the Export of Pulpwood. and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
154 30th and 31st March. 1914
»
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
Mr. Hearst presented to the House: —
Whitson's Report on the Construction of Roads in Northern Ontario.
(Sessional Papers No. 73.)
The House then adjourned at 10.15 p.m.
Tuesday, March 31st,, 1914.
Pbayjers. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Resolved, That notwithstanding the time for presenting Petitions for
Private Bills has expired, that leave be given to present a Petition of the Town
Council of Wiarton, respecting the issue of Debentures, and that the same be
now read and received.
The following Petition was then read and received: —
The Petition of the Town Council of Wiarton, praying that an Act may
pass to empower the issue of Debentures to the extent of $25,000.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 94), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Bowmanville."
Mr. Devitt.
George V. 31st March. 155
Referred to the Ivailway and Municipal Board.
Bill (No. 148), intituled " An Act to amend the Ontario Election Act."
Mr. Studholme.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 149), intituled " The Fair Wages and Hours of Labour Regu-
lation Act, 1914." Mr. Studholme.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill {'^o. 150), intituled "An Act to amend the Motor Vehicles Act."
Mr. Gooderham.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (!N"o. 151), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Reformatory
Act and to confirm a certain Order in Council." jNTr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (ISTo. 152), intituled " An Act to amend the Hospitals for the Insane
Act." Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for resuming the adjourned Debate on the motion
for the second reading of Bill {ISo. 70), To amend the Municipal Act, 1913,
having been read,
The Debate was resumed,
And after some time, the motion for the second reading having been
again submitted, was lost upon the following division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs.
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Flliott ;NrcCormick
Fersruson ^fcDonald
■" (Kent) Mageau
Johnson Munro
Kohler Racine
^Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 17,
156
3 1st March.
1914
Nays.
Messieurs.
Anderson
Ferguson
Jessop
Preston
(Essex)
(GrenviUe) J^^^^-.^g
(Lanark)
Armstrong
Foy
McElroy
Pyne
Black
Fraser
McFarlan
Rankin
BroN^er
Galna
McGarry
Reaume
( 'ameron
Gamey
Mac Arthur
Regan
Cai*scallen
Gooderham
Macdiarmid
Ross
Crawford
Grant
Mathieu
Scholfield
Dargavel
Grigg
Milligan
Sulman
Devitt
Hanna
Mills
Thompson
Duff
Hartt
Morel
(Simcoe)
Ebbs
Hearst
:N"esbitt
Thompson
Eilber
Henry
Xorman
(Peterboro)
Fallis
Hogarth
Owens
Torrance
Ferguson
Jamieson
Peck
Vrooman
(Simcoe)
Jarvis
Pratt
Pairs.
Messieurs.
Whitesides— 58.
Shillin
gton
. . Proudfoot.
And so it was declared in the Negative.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 137), To prohibit Political Contributions by Corporations,
License Holders and Public Contractors.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (No. 86), To prohibit Political Contributions by Corporations,
certain Associations and Government Contractors.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (No. 136), To amend the Ontario Election Act.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
George V. " 31st March. 157
Bill (Xo. 73), To require the publication of contributions for Political
Purposes.
Keferred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 103), To amend the Ontario Voters' Lists Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (]N'o. 129), To provide for the appointment of a Fire Marshal for the
Province of Ontario.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (N'o. 124), To amend
the Assessment Act, having been read,
Mr. Gooderham moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And a Debate having ensued,
Mr. Gooderham declared that he would withdraw the Bill and moved.
That the Order be discharged and the Bill withdrawn.
Mr. Eowell raised the objection that a Member could not withdraw a
Motion except by the unanimous consent of the House and Mr. Speaker being
asked to rule, said
That he would reserve his decision, and so the matter stood.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
107), To provide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and
Industrial Diseases contracted in the course of their employment, and after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Torrance
reported. That the Committee had made some progress, and directed him to
ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
158 31sT March. 1014
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the fol-
lowing Bills: —
Bill (Xo. 40), Respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliif Suburban Electric
Eailway Company and to confirm By-law Number 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
Bill (Xo. 29), Respecting the Town of Parry Sound.
Bill (aSTo. 61), Respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation of
the Diocese of London in Ontario.
Bill (No. 92), Respecting the Town of Sarnia.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
^Ir. Mayberry asked the following Question: —
1. What is the present provision in the Agricultural College at Guelph for
giving instruction in the Bee-keeping Industry and encouraging its develop-
ment. 2. Does the Government intend to take any further action toward in-
creasing the accommodation for the development of this industry at the Guelph
Agricultural College.
And the Minister of Agriculture replied as follows : —
1. Lecturer in Apiculture with a regular assistant and stenographer and
temporary assistance for special work. Fully equipped office, class room and
room for storage, and ample accommodation for some fifty colonies. 2. The
matter is under consideration.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question : —
1. Are the license holders along the Sandwich, Windsor & Amherstburg
Electric Railway, who keep road houses, permitted to keep open their bars on
Sunday.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied in the negative.
George V. 31st March. 159
The Ilonse, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
{In the CommUtee.)
Eesolred, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums : —
179. To defray the expenses of the Agricultural and Horticultural
Societies ^ $8,500 00
180. To defray the expenses of the Live Stock Branch 500 00
181. To defray the expenses of the Dairy Branch 100 00
182 To defray the expenses of the Fruit Branch 4,700 00
183. To defray the expenses of the Ontario "Veterinary College. . 1,280 00
184. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous 393 13
185. To defray the expenses of the Ontario Agricultural College. . 6,150 00
186. To defray the expenses of the Macdonald Institute and Hall. 2,550 00
187. To defray the expenses of the Animal Husbandry, Farm and
Experimental Feeding Department 800 00
188. To defray the expenses of the Field Experiments 600 00
189. To defray the expenses of the Poultry Department 2,450 00
190. To defray the expenses of the Pomology Department 550 00
191. To defray the expenses of the Mechanical Department 100 00
192. To defray the expenses of the Colonization and Immigration 1,976 37
193. To defray the expenses of the Hospitals and Charities 19,410 57
239. To defray the expenses of the Mines and Mining 5,155 70
240. To defray the expenses of the Eefimds 11,102 96
241. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous 62,049 03
237. To defray the expenses of the Outside Service and Surveys. . 54,355 41
160 olsT March. 1914
110. To defray the exjienses of the Fisheries and Game $300 00
116. To defray the expenses of the Inspection Public Institutions. 1,238 68
124. To defray the expenses of the Live Stock Branch 2,150 00
149. To defray the expenses of the District of Sudbury 9,157 05
168. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Hamil-
ton 17,234 00
171. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Mimico 14,620 00
176. To defray the expenses of the Central Prison, Toronto 4,000 00
177. To defray the expenses of the Central Prison Industries. . . . 400 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McPherson reported. That the
Committee had come to several Resolutions; also, That the Committee had
directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House: —
Return to an Order of the House of the 27th February, 1914, for a Return
showing: — 1. The names of the tenderers for the supply of coal for Government
Institutions, in Toronto, during the years 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913, respect-
ively. 2. The amount of each tender for each of such years. 3. The names of
the contractor or contractors for each of such years. 4. The amount of coal sup-
plied under each contract during each year, 5. The price at which the coal was
purchased. (Sessional Papers No. 74.)
Also — ^Return to an Order of the House of the 27th February for a Return
showing: — 1. What buildings have been erected by the Province at the Prison
Farm at Guelph. 2. What has been the total cost to the Province of each build-
ing. 3. Were any of these buildings built by prison labour in whole or in part.
4. If so, what buildings, and what class of prison labour was employed. 5. And
if the statement of cost makes any allowance for the prison labour employed, if
any. (Sessional Papers No. 75.)
George V. 1st April. 161
" Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 18th March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. Whether the Minister of Agriculture or any officer or offi-
cial of his Department, or the Minister of Education or any officer or official of
his Department, communicated with the district representative of Agriculture
within the County of Welland with reference to his attitude to the Canada Tem-
perance Act or the vote to be taken thereon on the 29th January last. 2; And
if any communication was made, was such communication verbal or in writing.
3. And who was the officer making the same, and what was the date thereof.
(Sessional Papers No. 76.)
The House then adjourned at 11.85 p.m.
Wednesday, April 1st. 1914.
PrAYEKS. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Eighth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and
find the Xotices as published in feach case sufficient : —
Of the Town Conncil of Brampton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the Village Council of Miniico, praying that an Act may pass con-
firming certain proceedings taken re -construction of pavements.
Of the County Council of Halton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law authorizing issue of debentures for the sum of
$20,000 to provide funds to complete the High Level Bridge near Town of
Oakville.
Of the Rector and Wardens of St. Paul's Church, Toronto, praying that
an Act may pass to vest in them certain lands.
Of the Town Council of Pembroke, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the Village Council of Grimsby, the Township Council of Xorth
Grimsby and the Bell Fruit Farm, Limited, praying that an Act mav pass ro
ratify and confirm certain By-laws.
11- JOUR.
162 1st April. 1914
Of the Young Men's Christian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steel-
ton, praying that an Act may pass to validate a Mortgage given to ''The Canada
Life Assurance Company," and for other purposes.
Of the Village Council of Weston, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain Bv-laws.
Mr. Hendrie, from the Standing Committee on Railways, presented their
Third Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills and have
prepared certain amendments thereto respectively: —
Bill (Xo. 28), Respecting the Gue]j)h Radial Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 46), Respecting the Marmora Railway and Mining Company.
Bill (Xo. 53), To incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford
Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 65), Respecting the Queen Street Car Service upon Queen Street
East in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway Company.
Your Committee have also amended the Preamble to Bills Numbers 46,
53 and 65 so as to make the same conform with the facts as they appear to
your Committee.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 59), intituled "An Act to confirm a Mortgage made by the
Young Men's Christian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the
Canada Life Assurance Company." Mr. Grigg.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 64), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Ottawa." Mr.
Champagne.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 69), intituled " An Act to validate and confirm certain By-laws
of the Town of Brampton." Mr. Fallis.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Crporqe V. 1st Apkii.. 163
Bill (^0. 97), intituled " An Act respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto."
Mr. McPherson.
Referred to the Commissioners of Estate Bills.
Bill (Xo. 98), intituled " An Act to confirm By-law No. 306 of the Vil-
lage of Grimsby and By-law Xo. 216 of the Township of Xorth Grimsby."
Mr. Jessop.
Referred to the Committoo on Private Bills. >
Bill (X'"o. 99), intituled "An Act to confirm By-law Xo. 387 of the
County of Halton." Mr. Xixon.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. J 13), intituled "An Act respecting the Village of Mimico."
^Ir. Godfrey.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 134), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Pembroke."
Mr. Dunlop.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 154). intituled "An Act to amend the Cemeteries Act." Mr.
Mills.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 155), intituled " An Act to amend the Factory, Shop and Office
Building Act." Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 156), intituled " An Act to amend the Stationary Engineers
Act." Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 157), intituled "An Act to amend«the Registry Act." Mr. Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
104 1st ArKTL. 1014
Bill (Xo. .158), intituled " An Act to amend the Land Titles Act." ^\r.
Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 159), intituled " An Act to amend the Coroners Act." Mr. Foy.
Ordered, That the l^jill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. IGO), intituled " An Act to amend the Ontario Insurance Act."
:^rr. Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be road the second time To-morrow.
^Ir. Kohler asked the following Question: —
Has the amount of compensation to be paid Sir William Meredith as
Commissioner on the "Workmen's Compensation Act been fixed. If so, how
much is the compensation to be.
To which the Attorney-General replied in the negative.
'}dr. Proudfoot asked the following Question: —
Is it allowable for the holder of a shop license under the Liquor License
Act to sell in quantities which are authorized to be sold by the holder of a
wholesale license.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
Such has been the practice since the year 1874 when the Act was passed,
but the question has never been the subject of judicial decision.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question: —
1. Who is the present License Inspector in Xorth Essex, and what was
the date of his appointment. 2. Did the License Inspector apply to any of the
License Holders in the said District of Xorth E?sex for a loan to himself per-
sonally; and if so, to which of the License Holders did he so apply. 3. Did
George V. ■ 1st April. 16i
the said License Inspector receive a personal loan from any of the License
Holders in the said electoral district of North Essex ; and if so, what was the
date and amonnt of such loans.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied that,
From information at present at hand, no.
On ]\[otion of Mr. Anderson (Bruce), seconded by Mr. Ferguson (Kent),
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showino;: — 1.
What sum of money has Sir William Meredith, the Chief Justice of Ontario,
received from the Government in addition to his salary as Chief Justice, since
January 1st, 1909, to date. 2. In what capacity did Chief Justice Sir William
Meredith receive such sum or sums, and what amount was received with re-
spect to each capacity in which he received any sum or sums as aforesaid.
On Motion of Mr. Racine, seconded by ]\[r. Ma^eau,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
All the schools in the Province, both public and separate, from which the
Government grant has been withheld during the years 1912 and 1913 respec-
tively. 2. The grounds upon which such grants have been withheld from the
said schools rcspectrs^ely. 3. The grounds upon which County Councils are
required to withhold from schools the moneys raised by taxation from the
people.
]\rr. ]\rayberry moved, seconded by ]\Ir. Anderson (Bruce),
That, in view of the serious decline in (Tur rural population, as disclosed
in our last decennial census, accompanied by a decline in the strength and
vitality of the rural school and the rural church in many sections of the Pro-
vince ; and in view of the general scarcity of farm labour throughout Ontario,
which for some years past has caused grave concern to the farmers of the
Province and contributed to a material diminution in the agricultural pro-
duction of the Province ; this House would urge upon the Government that a
Commission of practical men should be appointed to inquire into the con-
ditions of agricultural and rural life in the Province, and report to this House
the facts with their recommendations as to the steps which can and should be
taken to remedy or improve existing conditions.
1(U)
1st April.
1914
Mr. Duft' moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Hanna,
That all the words of the Motion after the word " That " be struck out
and the following inserted in lieu thereof: " this House recalls that an
Agricultural Commission was appointed in 1881 and that in spite of the
exhaustive Report submitted, the rural population has steadily declined ever
since. This House, therefore, is unable to place its confidence in the appoint-
ment of a Commission as a means to the solution of this question. This House
desires to express its gratification at the large number of proofs which the last
decennial census gives as to the genuine progress which Ontario agriculture
made during the decade, especially the increases in the number of occupiers of
farms, in the area under cultivation, in the number of live stock, particularly
of pure bred stock, and the greatly increased value of farm holdings and farm
products. And this House desires to express its satisfaction with the efforts
beins: put forward by the Department of Agriculture and the other Depart-
ments of the Government with a view to minimizing the scarcity of fa nil
labour and making rural life generally more attractive and more profitable."
And the iVmendment having been put, was carried on the following
division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
DuflF
Jarvis
Peck
(Essex)
Ebbs
Johnson
Pyne
Armstrong
Ferguson
Lucas
Rankin
Bennewies
(Simcoe) McElroy
Reaume
Black
Ferguson
MoFarlan
Regan
Brewster
(GrenviUe) IMcGarry
Ross
B rower
Foy
McKeown
Scholfield
Cameron
Galna
McNaught
Shillington
Carscallen
Gooderham
MacArthur
Thompson
Chambers
Grant
Machin
(Peterboro)
Cook
Grigg
Milligan
Torrance
Dargavel
Hanna
:N'esbitt
Westbrook
Devitt
Hearst
Owens
Vriiit<\sides— 51
Donovan
Ilendrie
Pattinson
'
ITats.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Fljiott
Marshall
Racine
(Bnie«)
Ferguson
Mayberry
Rowell
Atkinson
(Kent)
Munro
Sinclair
Bowman
AfcDonald
Proudfoot
Studholme— 1 6
Clarke
^Fageau
Paiks
None.
George V.
1st April.
167
The original motion, as amended, having been then put, was carried upon
the following div^ision: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Duff
Jarvis
Peck
(Essex)
Ebbs
Johnson
Pyne
Aruistroni;
Ferguson
Lucas
Rankin
Bennewies
isimcoe) McElroy
Reauine
Black
Ferguson
McFarlan
Regan
Brewster
(Grenviiie> McGarrj
Ross
Brower
Foy
McKeown
Scholfield
Cameron
Galua
McX aught
Shillington
Carscallen
Gooderham
MacArthur
Thompson
Chambers
Grant
Machin
(Peterboro)
Cook
Grigg
Milligan
Torrance
Dargavel
Hanna
Nesbitt
Westbrook
Devitt
Hearst
Owens
Whites ides — 51
Donovan
Hendrie
Pattinson
!N'ays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
]\rarshal]
Racine
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Ferguson
(Kent)
McDonald
Mayberry
Munro
Rowell
Sinclair
Clarke
Mageau
Prouflfoot
Paies
None.
Studholnie — 16
And it was,
Resolved, That this House recalls that an Agricultural Commission was
appointed in 1881 and that in spite of the exhaustive Report submitted, the
rural population has steadily declined ever since. This House, therefore, is
unable to place its confidence in the appointment of a Commission as a means
to the solution of this question. This House desires to express its gratifica-
tion at the large number of proofs which the last decennial census gives as to
the genuine progress which Ontario agriculture made during the decade,
especiallv the increases in the number of occupiers of farms, in the area
168 1st Apeil. 1914
under cultivation, in the number of live stock, particularly of pure bred stock,
and the greatly increased values of farm holdings and farm products. And
this House desires to express its satisfaction with the efforts being put forward
by the Department of Agriculture and other Departments of the Government
with a view to minimizing the scarcity of farm labour and making rural life
generally more attractive and more profitable..
On motion of Mr. Mills, seconded by Mr. Cameron,
Resolved, That notwithstanding the time for presenting Petitions for
Private Bills has elapsed, that leave be given -to present a -Petition of the
Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited, and that the same be now read
and received.
The following Petition was then read and received: —
The Petition of the Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited, praying
that an Act may pass confirmatory of a certain Resolution.
The question upon the second reading of Bill (ISTo. 124), To amend the
Assessment Act, and the point of Order raised as to the withdrawal of the
Bill without the unanimous consent of the House after the motion for the
second reading had been put and Mr. Speaker's desire to Avithhold his decision,
was again opened.
And Mr. Speaker having ruled that a IMember having once made a motion
for the second reading of a Bill, could not withdraw the motion if there was
any dissentient voice and that the motion for the second reading was now the
question before the House.
George V.
1st April.
169
The motion for the second reading having been then again put, was lost
ui)un the following division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
Mageau
(Bruce)
Ferguson
Marshall
Atkinson
(Kent)
Mayberry
Bowman
Gooderham
- Munro
Clarke
McDonald
Proudfoot
Racine
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 17
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Donovan
Hendrie
(Essex)
Duff
Jarvis
Armstrong
Ebbs
•Tohnsoii
Bennewies
Ferguson
Lucits
Black
(Simcoe)
McElroy
Brewster
Ferguson
McFarlan
Brower
(GrenviUe)
McGarry
Cameron
Foy
McKeown
Carscallen
Galna
Mc^NTaught
Chambers
Grant
MacArthur
Cook
Grigg
Machin
Dargavel
Hanua
Milligan
Devitt
Hearst
Nesbitt
Pairs
None.
And so it was declared in the ne2:ative.
Owens
Pattinsor
Peck
Pyno
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Sliillington
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Westbrook
Whitesides — 19
Mr. Rowell moved, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That in the opinion of this House the growing importance of social and
industrial problems demand the creation of a Department of the Government,
presided over by a responsible Minister, whose chief concern should be to study
and promote legislative and administrative action for the betterment of the con-
ditions of the workers of the Province ; and to this Department should be trans-
ferred the Bureau of Labour from the Department of Public Works, the Factory
170 1st April. 1914
Inspection Branch from the Department of Agriculture, as well as the other
branches of the Public Service particularly relating to the welfare of the indus-
trial classes, including such administrative work as may be required in con-
nection with the Workmen's Compensation Act; and that provision should be
made under this Department for the study of social and industrial problems,
including the legislation in force in other industrial communities of the world,
and the effects of such legislation in the betterment of social and industrial
conditions.
Mr. Foy took objection to the Motion in that the subject matter thereof
had been already decided upon by the House during the current Session.
And Mr. Speaker being asked to rule declared, that the objection was
well taken and that the Motion was unquestionably out of order.
On Motion of ]Mr. Studholme, seconded by Mr. ]\IcDonald,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return of copies of all
correspondence, resolutions or other documents received by, or on behalf of any
Member of the Government in any way relating to the Hamilton Athletic Asso-
ciation regarding which certain legislation is sought for during the current
Session.
The following Bill was read the second time: —
Bill (No. 105), To amend the Registry Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (ISTo. 71), To amend
the Voters' Lists Act having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No.72) To amend
the Assessment Act having been read.
Ordered, That tlio Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
for the second reading of Bill (No. 19). Respecting the City of Hamilton
having been read,
Georf/c f
1st Apiul
171
The Debate was resumed.
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
night.
The Debate was continued,
And after some time
Thursday, April 2nd, 1914.
The Motion for the second reading of the Bill having been then put wa3
carried on the following Division : —
Anderson
(Bruce)
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Bennewies
Brewster
Brower
Cameron
Cook
Darg-avel
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Hanna
Owens
Hearst
Pattinsor:
PTendrie
Peck
Jarvis
Lucas
Pjne
Racint
]\[cFarlan
Reaume
"«> McKeown
Ross
MciN'aught
MacArthui
Marshall
]\runro
Rowel!
Sinclair
Thompson '
(Peterboro)
McDonald
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
F:bb3
Elliott
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Gooderham
Grant
Grifffir
N'ays.
Messieurs :
Proudfoot Stiidholrae — 8
Pairs.
None.
The Bill was then read the second time and referred to the Committee
of the Whole House To-dav.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (ISTo. 132), To amend the Municipal Act.
1T2 1st Apeil.' 1!)14
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (j^o. 133), To amend the Ontario Game and Fisheries Act.
Referred to the Committee on Fish and Game.
Bill (No. 144), To amend the Surveys Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-day.
Bill (No. 146), To amend the Ontario Land Surveyor's Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-day.
On Motion of Mr. Rowell, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That the Report of the Xiagara Falls Park Commission for the
year 1912, be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts.
'Sir. Hanna presented to the House by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Bureau of Mines for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 4.)
Also — Report of the Inspector of Legal Offices for the year 1913. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 6.)
Also — A Return to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1914, for
a Return showing: — 1. The conditions upon which grants are made to rural
public scbools. 2. Were the grants to the rural public schools of Ontario in
1913 less per school in 1913 than they were in the year 1912. If so, how much.
3. Has the Department of Education notified the Boards of Public School
Trustees of Rural Schools, or any of them, that they cannot pay t"he grant
provided for by the regulations. 4. If such notice has been given, upon what
their ground for refusing to pay the grants. 5. Has the Department of Edu-
cation notified the School Boards of Rural Schools, or any of them, that the
grants this year would be cut down 28 per cent., or any amount whatever. If
so, how much. (Sessional Papers No. 77.)
George V. 1st axd 2xd April. 173
Also — A Return to an Order of the House of the 30th March, 191-1, for
a Return showing: — 1. What was the estimated cost of the heating plant for
the Toronto University. 2. What was the actual cost of the plant when fully
completed. 3. Has the total amount been paid; if not, what amount, if any,
is held in reserve. 4. And if the heating plant is giving satisfaction. {Ses-
sional Payers No. 78.)
The House then adjourned at 12.30 a.m.
Thursday. April 2ud. 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
^Ir. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received fjom the Railway and Municipal Board their
Report in the following case: —
Bill (Xo. 21), Respecting the Town of Cochrane.
The Report was then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows : —
To the Honoiirahle the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (jSTo. 21), except as to sections
f) and 10 of the said Bill, being intituled An Act respecting the Town of Coch-
rane, the Board begs leave respectfully to r.eport that in the judgment of the
Board it is reasonable that the said Bill, as to the parts so referred, should be
passed hy Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McTxTYEE^
Chairman.
A. B. IXGRAM.
Vice-Chairman.
Dated at Toronto the first day of April, 1914.
174 2nd Apbii.. 1014
Ordered, That Bill (No. 21), Respecting the Town of Cochrane be re-
ferred to the Committee on Private Bills with instructions to consider the
same with reference to the siiggestions of the Kailway and ]\runieipal Board
thereon.
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented their
Sixth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (No. 62), An Act to incorporate the Town of St. Clair Beach.
Bill (No. 41), An Act respecting the Town of Midland.
Your Committee recommend that notwithstanding Rule 51 of Your Hon-
ourable House, the time for receiving Reports of Committees on Private Bills
be further extended to and inclusive of Thursday, the 9th day of April next.
Mr. Hendrie, from the Standing Committee on Railways, presented their
Fourth Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully considered Bill (No. 68), Respecting the
Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Company and have prepared certain
amendments thereto.
Your Committee have also amended the Preamble to the said Bill so as to
make the same conform with the facts as they were made to appear to Your
Committee.
Your Committee recommend that Rule No. 51 of Your Honourable House
be further suspended in this, that the time for receiving Reports of Committees
on Private Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Thursday, the 9th
day of April instant.
Ordered, That the time for receiving Reports of Committees on Private
Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Thursday, the 9th day of
April instant.
George V. 2nd April. 175
Mr. Hearst moved, seconded by Mr. Lucas,
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House do forthwith
resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole to consider the following Reso-
lution : —
That the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines is authorized and em-
powered, on behalf of the Government, to purchase and acquire all the right,
title and interest of every nature and kind whatsoever of the Pembroke Lumber
Company, in certain lands, timber and timber licenses and premises of said
Company, at a price or sum not exceeding the sum of $185,000, to be payable
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund ; together with any sum that may be
paid to the Crown in respect of such licenses for ground rent or otherwise after
the 31st da}^ of May, 1914, so far as such ground rent has been paid in respect
of any period beyond the date of such purchase.
Mr. Proudfoot, moved in Amendment, seconded b}^ Mr. Bowman,
That all the words of the Motion after the word ''That" be stricken out
and the following substituted therefor: —
" this House is of the opinion that it is the duty of the Government to
furnish and make available to all the Members of the House full and accurate
information as to the extent and value of the timber in connection with any
proposed timber purchase before asking this House to authorize the purchase."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The original Motion, having been then again put, was carried.
^Ir. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines is authorized
and empowered, on behalf of the Government, to purchase and acquire all the
right, title and interest of every nature and kind whatsoever of the Pembroke
Lumber Company, in certain lands, timber and timber licenses and premises of
176 2nd Apkil. 1914
said Company, at a price or sum not exceeding the sum of $185,000, to be pay-
able out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund ; together with any sum that may
be paid to the Crown in respect of snch licenses for ground rent or otherwise
after the 31st day of May, 191-1, so far as such ground rent has been paid in
respect of any period beyond the date of such purchase.
^[r. Speaker resumed the Chair; and ^Ir. Thompson (Simcoe) reported,
That the Committee had come to a Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
^Ir. Thompson (Simcoe) reported the Resolution as follows: —
Besolved, That the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines is authorized
and empowered, on behalf of the Government, to purchase and acquire all the
right, title and interest of every nature and kind whatsoever of the Pembroke
Lumber Company, in certain lands, timber and timber licenses and premises of
said Company, at a jjrice or sum not exceeding the sum of $185,000, to be pay-
able out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund; together with any sum that may
be paid to the Crown in respect of such licenses for ground rent or otherwise
after the 31st day of May, 1914, so far as such ground rent has been paid in
respect of any period beyond the date of such purchase.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and re-
ferred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (JSTo. 147), Respecting the
purchase of Timber Limits of the Pembroke Lumber Company.
On Motion of Mr. McQueen, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. All
correspondence between the Government and any officer, official or employee
thereof and Ferdinand Walter, the present License Inspector, with reference
to the administration of the Liquor License Law in Xorth Waterloo by the said
Ferdinand Walter. 2. Copy of all resolutions, complaints or communications
received by the Government with reference to the administration of the Liquor
License Law in ISTorth Waterloo by the said Ferdinand Walter. 3. The names
of the sixteen hotels which the Provincial License Inspector found violating
the Liquor License Law on the occasion of his visit to ISTorth Waterloo in Feb-
ruary last. 4. The names of the twenty-three persons convicted in the month
of ;^Iarch of the present year for violating the Liquor License Law ; the offences
for which they were respectively convicted ; the magistrates before whom they
were convicted ; and the penalties imposed in respect of the said convictions.
George V. 2nd April. 177
5. All correspondence between the Provincial Secretary and any official or
employee of his Department, and the said Ferdinand Walter, or any other per-
son or persons, with reference to the increase of salary of the said Ferdinand
Walter, either prior or subsequent to the by-election in North Waterloo in the
year 1912.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (N'o. 162), intituled "An Act to amend the Game and Fisheries Act."
Mr. Reaume.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time : —
Bill (Xo. 138), Respecting Representation of the People of the Legis-
lative Assembly.
Referred to a Select Committee to be composed as follows: — Messieurs
Hanna, Lucas, Preston (Lanark), Macdiarmid, Fraser, Hartt, Ross, Rowell,
Clarke, Proudfoot and Bowman, with instructions to prepare schedules to con-
tain and describe the several Electoral Divisions entitled to return ^Members to
this House.
Bill (ISTo. 139), To amend the Act respecting Sanatoria for Consumptives.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 140), To amend the Industrial Schools Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 142), Respecting the Hospital for Epileptics,
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 143), Respecting Reception Hospitals for the Insane.
• Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo..l47), Respecting the purchase of Timber Limits of the Pem-
broke Lumber Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 131), To amend the Municipal Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
12-JOUE.
178
2nd Apeil
1914
Bill (Xo. 135), For the better prevention of Ticket' Speculation.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
The Order ol the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 130), To remedy
and improve the conditions of Assessment and Taxation in New Ontario, having
been read,
Mr. Mageau moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And the Motion, having been put, was lost on the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Elliott
McDonald
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McQueen
Mageau
Munro
Proudfoot
Clarke
McCormick
Nays.
Messieurs :
Armstrong
Black
Ferguson Jarvis
(Simcoe) ■ Lennox
^^^^*(Grenvine) ^^^^^as
Foy McCrea
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Eraser
McElroy
Chambers
Galna
McFarlan
Champagne
Crawford
Gooderham
Grant
McGarry
McKeown
Dargavel
Devitt
Grigg
Hanna
McNaught
MacArthur
Duff
Hartt
Machin
Ebbs
Hearst
Mills
Ellis
Hendrie
Musgrove
Nesbitt
Pairs.
None.
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme-
-18
Norman
Pattinson
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Torrance
Westbrook
^Yhitesides— 52
And so it was declared in the negative.
George V. 2nd April. 179
On Motion of Mr. McQueen, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Keturn showing: — 1. All
the correspondence since the 1st January, 1910, between the Provincial Secre-
tary and the officers, clerks or employees of his Department, and the present
and former Board of License Commissioners at Kenora, and the present and
former License Inspector, relating to: (1) The enforcement of the Liquor
License Law in the district of Kenora; (2) The work of Mr. J. Brenchley as
License Inspector; (.'5) The work or administration of the Liquor License Law
by the former Board of License Commissioners, composed of George H. Kelly,
Samuel Hunter and W, A. Horn; (4) The resignation of W. A. Horn as one
of the License Commissioners; (5) The appointment and administration of the
Liquor License Law by the present License Commissioners; (6) The with-
holding of re-appointment of the former License Commissioners, George H.
Kelly and Samuel Hunter; (7) Complaints with reference to the administra-
tion of the Liquor License Law in the district of Kenora. 2. All correspondence
and communications received by the Provincial Secretary or any officer or
official of the Government, from any person or persons, with reference to any
of the matters aforesaid since the said 1st dav of January, 1910.
^Tr. Elliott moved, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
This Llouse regrets that the Honourable the Provincial Treasurer has not
submitted to the Legislature or the people of the Province a report of the result
of his investigations in Great Britain into the public ownership and operation
of Telephones ; and this House is of the opinion that it is the duty of the Gov-
ernment to take into consideration without further delay the question of the
establishment of a publicly owned and operated telephone service, particularly
of trunk lines, by the acquirement of the existing system or systems, or the
esrablishment of a new one, as would appear to be most in the public interests;
!o be operated in connection with the Hydro-Electric system, or otherwise, as
appears most practicable.
]\[r. Pattinsou moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Mills,
That all the words of the ]\[otion after the word "House" in the first line
be omitted and the following inserted in lieu thereof: —
" approves of the Report of the Honourable the Provincial Treasurer made
to this House in 1913, to the effect that experience in Great Britain in the
matter of Government ownership and operation of telephone service in com-
petition with private companies justifies the conclusion that it is not desirable
for this Government to duplicate existing lines and enter into competition with
180 2ni> Aim:ii.. 1914
a telephone system owned and operated by a Cor{X)ration over which the Pro-
vince has no jurisdiction ; and this House regrets that when the Bell Telephone
Company of Canada applied in 1906 to the Federal Government for authority
to increase its capital stock to $30,000,000 no restriction compellino; that Com-
pany to interchange service with all other systems or lines in this Province
upon reasonable terms was imposed upon that Corporation, as it was upon
other telephone companies, and this House approves of the policy of the present
Government's legislation providing for the establishment of local and rural
telephone systems by the people, for the financing of such undertakings by the
municipalities, for rendering expert advice and assistance in the establishment
of such undertakings, for the compulsory interchange of service between neigh-
bouring systems and for the regulation of all charges made by systems within
the jurisdiction of Ontario; and this House approves the policy pursued by
the Government in reference to telephone legislation as above and accepts with
satisfaction the assurance that the Government will by legislation and otherwise
continue to develop and so far as is possible within provincial jurisdiction unify
the telephone systems of the Province so that there may be interchange of ser-
vice between all telephone users."
And a Debate ha\-iug ensued, it was. upon the motion of Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until To-morrow.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums : —
111. To defray the expenses of the Labour Bureau $100 00
117. To defray the expenses of the License Branch 500 00
127. To defray the expenses of the Factory Inspection Branch. . . 750 00
131. To defray the expenses of the Supreme Court of Ontario. . . 2,450 00
163. To defray the expenses of the Technical Education 7,100 00
178. To defray the expenses of the Mercer Reformatory, Toronto. 190 00
224. To defray the expenses of the Horticultural Experimental
Station, Jordan Harbour 1 .350 00
George V. '2s\) Apkil. 181
Air. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr, McCrea reported, That the
Committee had come to several Resolutious; also, That the Committee lifxl
directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House : —
Return to an Order of the House of the 1st April, 1914, for a Return of
copies of all correspondence, resolutions or other documents received by, or on
behalf of any Member of the Government in any way relating to the Hamilton
Athletic Association regarding which certain legislation is sought for during
the current Session. {Sessional Papers No. 79.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 1st April, 191-4, for a
Return showing: — 1. What sum of money has Sir William Meredith, the Chief
Justice of Ontario, received from the Government in addition to his salary
as Chief Justice, since January 1st, 1909, to date. 2. In what capacity did
Chief Justice Sir William Meredith receive such sum or sums, and what
amount was received with respect to each capacity in which he received any
sum or sums as aforesaid. (Sessional Papers No. 80.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. If there was a deficit in the financial operations of the
Provincial University for the fiscal year ending 1912. If so, how much. 2.
Was there a deficit in the financial operations of the Provincial University for
the fiscal year 1913. If so, how much. 3. If there have been deficits during
the years 1912-13, or either of them, how have these deficits been provided for.
4. What is the estimated expenditure of the Provincial University for the cur-
rent fiscal year. 5. What is the estimated revenue of the University for the
current fiscal year. (Sessional Papers No. 81.)
The House then adjourned at 11.50 p.m.
1S2 3rd April. 1914
Fridav, April Ord. 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.:\r.
^fr. Speaker informerl the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Kailway and ^Municipal Board their
Reports in the following cases: —
Bill (Xo. 57), To consolidate the Debenture Debt of the City of Stratford.
Bill (Xo. 60), Respecting the City of St. Catharines.
The Reports were then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows: —
To tlie Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (No. 57), except as to section 15,
the said Bill being intituled " An Act to consolidate a part of the debenture
debt of the City of Stratford," the Board begs leave respectfully to report that
in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable that the said Bill, as to the parts
so referred, should l>e passed by Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. ]\rclNTYRE,
t Chairman.
A. B. Ingram,
Vice-Chairman.
H. X. Kittson,
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto, this First day of April. 1914.
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon reference under Rule 61 fa) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of section 1 of Bill (ISTo. 60), intituled
" An Act respecting the City of St. Catharines," the Board begs leave respect-
George V. 3rd April. 183
fully to rej)ort that in the jiido'inent of the Board, it is reasonable that section 1
of the said Bill should be passed bj Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntyre^
Chairman.
A. B. Ingram,
Vice-Chairman.
H. iN". Kittson,
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto, this Second day of April, A.D. 1914.
Ordered, That Bill (N'o. 57), To consolidate the Debenture Debt of the
City of Stratford, and Bill {'Eo. 60), Respecting the City of St. Catharines, be
referred to the Committee on Private Bills, with instructions to consider the
same with reference to the suggestions of the Railway and Municipal Board
thereon.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Ninth Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and find
the Xotioes as published in each case sufficient: —
Of the Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited, praying that an Act
may pass to confirm a certain Resolution.
Of the !Morrisburg and Ottawa Electric Railway Company, praying that
an Act may pass to extend the time for the commencement and completion of
the road. /
Your Committee recommend that Rule ISTo. 51 of Your Honourable House
be further suspended in this, that the time for introducing Private Bills to
Your Honourable House be further extended until and inclusive of Thursday,
the ninth day of April instant.
Ordered, That the time for introducing Private Bills be further extended
until and inclusive of Thursday, the ninth day of April instant.
18-i 3rd April. 1914
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 14), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Brantford.'' Mr.
Brewster.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 49), intituled " An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Vil-
lage of Weston." Mr. Godfrey.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (N'o. 109), intituled " An Act respecting the Morrisbnrg and Ottawa
Electric Railway Company." Mr. Champagne.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (Xo. 161). intituled "An Act respecting Canada Furniture Manu-
facturers, Limited." Mr. Mills.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 163), intituled "An Act to amend an Act relating to the
Avenues and Approaches to Queen's Park, Toronto." Mr. Owens.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Bill (Xo. 164), intituled "An Act to amend the Motor Vehicles Act."
Mr. McDonald.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
Mr. Marshall asked the following Question : —
1. How is the Consolidated School at Guelph maintained. 2. Is any grant
made by the Government towards its support; and if so, how much was granted
for the years 1912 and 1913 respectively.
To which the Minister of Agriculture replied in the words following: —
1. By local taxation from the two sections forming the consolidation, and
by the usual Legislative grants, supplemented by a special annual grant of $800.
2. In 1912 the total grants, consisting of grants for rural public schools and
George V. 3rd April. 185
the special ^rant, was $1,480; in 1918 the total i^rants, consisting of irrants to
rural public schools, a Fifth Class grant, and the special grant amounted to
$1,628.75.
Mr. Sinclair asked the following Question : —
1. Did Dr. Merchant make an investigation on behalf of the Government
of the question of Technical Education. 2. What was the cost of this investi-
gation to the Province. 3. Did Dr. Merchant make a re]X)rt to the Department
in reference thereto. 4. Has the report been published ; and if so, on w^hat
date. 5. What action, if any, does the Government intend taking on the basis
of Dr. ]\rerchant's report.
And the Minister of Education replied in the words following: —
1. Yes. 2. The cost was the amount paid for Dr. Merchant's travelling
expenses, which were $1,374.89. 3. Reports were made as required on the
results of his investigation, and a brief statement will be found in the Minis-
ter's Report for 1913. 4. Answered by 3. 5. Dr. Merchant has been organizing
the classes throughout the Province in accordance with the Act respecting
Industrial Training, 1913.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
and Amendment in the matter of Telephone Service, having been read.
The Debate was resumed.
And after some time.
The Amendment, having been put, was carried on a Division.
The ^lain ^lotion, as amended, was then put and carried, and it was
Resolved, That this House approves of the Report of the Honourable the
Provincial Treasurer made to this House in 1913, to the effect that experience
in Great Britain in the matter of Government ownership and operation of tele-
phone service in competition with private companies justifies the conclusion
that it is not desirable for this Government to duplicate existing lines and
enter into competition with a telephone system owned and operated by a Cor-
poration over which the Province has no jurisdiction ; and this House regrets
that, when the Bell Telephone Company of Canada applied in 1906 to the
Federal Government for authority to increase its capital stock to $30,000,000
no restriction compelling that Company to interchang:e service with all other
186 3rd April. 1014
systems or lines in this Province npon reasonable terms was imposed upon that
Corix)ration, as it was upon other telephone companies, and this House approves
of the policy of the present Government's legislation providing for the estab-
lishment of local and rural telephone systems by the people, for the financing
of such undertakings by the municipalities, for rendering expert advice and
assistance in the establishment of such undertakings, for the compulsory inter-
change of service between neighbouring systems and for the regulation of all
charges made by systems within the jurisdiction of Ontario; and this House
approves the policy pui*sued by the Government in reference to telephone legis-
lation as above and accepts with satisfaction the assurance that the Government
will by legislation and otherwise continue to develop and so far as is possible
within provincial jurisdiction unify the telephone systems of the Province so
that there mav be interehano'e of service between all telephone users.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 28), Respecting the Guelph Radial Railway Company.
Referred to a Committoe of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (Xo. 46), Respecting the Marmora Railway and Mining Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (Xo. 53), To incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford
Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on ^fonday next.
Bill (Xo. 65), Respecting the Queen Street Car Service upon Queen
Street East in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on ^Monday next.
Bill (Xo. 68), Respecting the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Com-
pany.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill eXo. 41), R<?specting the Town of Midland.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
George V. 3rd April. 187
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 144),
To amend the Surveys Act, and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into* a Committee to consider Bill (ISTo. 146),
To amend the Ontario Land Surveyors' Act, and, after some time spent there-
in, Mr, Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe), reported,
That the Committee liad directed him to report the Bill without any amend-
ment.
Ordered, That the Bill be re^ad the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Commif)tee to consider Bill (Xo. 139),
To amend the Act respecting Sanatoria for Consumptives, and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Sim-
coe) reported, That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without
any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 140),
To amend the Industrial Schools Act, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 142),
Respecting the Hospital for Epileptics, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill wdthout any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 143)
Respecting Reception Hospitals for the Insane, and, after some time spent there-
in, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Thompson (Simcoe) reported.
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any amend-
ment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
188 3rd and 6tji April. 1914
Mr. Hanna ])resented to the House: —
Eeturn to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1914, for a Return
showinoj: — 1. If there was an option g;iven to the firm of Murray, Mather &
Co. to purchase certain Government securities during the calendar year 1913.
•2. Tf so, what was the date of the option, and what were the character, amount
and price of the securities covered by it. 3. Was such option, if any, exer-
cised ; and if so, to what extent. (Sessional Papers No. 82.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. Copy of evidence of Mr. Taylor, of Messrs. Taylor, Scott
& Co., given before the Dominion Penitentiary Investigation Commission, of
which Mr. G. M. Macdonnell, K.C., of Kingston, is Chairman, and which was
taken in shorthand by a Stenographer provided by Dr. Gilmour, Warden of
the Central Prison, such evidence or a copy thereof being now in the custody
or control of the Provincial Secretary, or of some of the officers or officials of
his Department, or of the institutions under the control of his Department. 2.
Copies of all correspondence passing between the Provincial Secretary, or any
officer or official of his Department, or any officer or official of any of the insti-
tutions under the charge of his Department, and Mr. Joseph Downey, in refer-
ence to the said evidence or the production thereof. (Sessional Papers No. 83.)
The House then adjourned at 4.35 p.m.
Monday, April 6th. 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
!Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Railway and ]\[unicipal Board their
Report in the- following case: —
Bill (Xo. 94), Respecting the Town of Bowmanville.
The Report was then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows : —
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon the reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (No. 94), intituled An Act
respecting the Town of Bowmanville, the Board begs leave respectfully to
George V. 6th April. ' 189
report that in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable that the said Bill
should be passed by Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntyre,
Chairman.
A, B. Ingram^
Vice-Chairman.
Dated at Toronto this third day of April, 1914.
Ordered, That Bill (No. 94), Respectino; the Town o^ Bowmanville, be
referred to the Committee on Private Bills with instructions to consider the
same with reference to the suggestions of the Railway and Municipal Board
thereon.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 95), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Guelph." Mr.
Scholfield.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 165), intituled "An Act to amend the Succession Duty Act."
Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (ISTo. 166), intituled "An Act to amend the Surrogate Courts Act."
Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 167), intituled "The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914." Mr.
Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee severally to consider the fol-
lowing Bills : —
Bill (No. 37), Respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's College in
Montreal.
Bill (No. 38), To incorporate Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
190 6th April. 1914
Bill (Xo. 17), Respecting the Town of Lindsay.
Bill (Xo. 66), To confirm certain By-laws of the Township of Russell.
Bill (Xo. 51), Respecting the City of London.
Bill (Xo. 2S), Respecting the Giielph Radial Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 46), Respecting the Marmora Railway and Mining Company.
Bill (Xo. 53), To incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford
Railway Company.
^Ir. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Torrance reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
OrrJererJ, That the Bill? re])orted, he severally read the third time
To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 122), To amend
the Act respecting Special Classes, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order he discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 148), To amend
the Ontario Election Act, having been read,
Mr. Studholme moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And the Motion, having been put, was lost.
And so it was declared in the negative.
On Motion of ^fr. Hanna, seconded by ^fr. Duff,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the "Whole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respecting the Sanatoria
for Consumptives.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House.
George V. 6th April. 191
*
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That in the event of the. corporation of a city having a popula-
tion of over 100,000 persons agreeing to pay a rate of one dollar per day for
the maintenance of indigent patients, nnder "The Sanatoria for Consumptives
Act," payment may be made towards the maintenance and treatment of such
patients in the same manner as if seventy cents per day had been paid.
]\Ir. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the
Committee had come to a Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Donovan reported the Resolution as follows: —
Resolved, That in the event of the corporation of a city having a popula-
tion of over 100,000 persons agreeing to pay a rate of one dollar per day for
the maintenance of indigent patients, under the Sanatoria for Consumptives
Act, payment may be made towards the maintenance and treatment of such
patients in the same manner as if seventy cents per day had been paid.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and re-
ferred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (Xo. 139), To amend the
Act respecting Sanatoria for Consumptives.
On Motion of Mr. Hanna, seconded by Mr. Duff,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respecting Industrial
Schools.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution, recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the sum of thirty cents per day for each day's actual stay
of a child in an industrial school shall be paid quarterly by the Treasurer of
1^-2 6th April. 1914
Ontario to the industrial school board out of auy moneys appropriated by the
Legislature for that purpose.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the
Committee had come to a Eesolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Donovan reported the Resolution as follows : —
Resolved, That the sum of thirty cents per day for each day's actual stay
of a child in an industrial school shall be paid quarterly by the Treasurer of
Ontario to the industrial school Iward out of any moneys appropriated by the
Legislature for that purpose.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and re-
ferred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 140), To amend the
Industrial Schools Act.
On Motion of Mr. Hanna, seconded by Mr. Reaume,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respeoting Reception
Hospitals for the Insane.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the cost of the maintenance of every Reception Hospital in
excess of the amount provided by the municipalities from which patients are
admitted, shall be paid out of such moneys as may be voted by the Assembly
and be appropriated by the Legislature for that purpose.
Resolved, That the income derived from moneys received from the muni-
cipalities for the maintenance of such hospitals or otherwise shall form a separ-
ate fund to be known as "The Reception Hospitals for the Insane Fund" which
shall not form part of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, but shall be used and
George V. (rni April. 193
applied for the same purposes and paid out in the same manner as the moneys
appro})riated bv the Legislature for maintenance of such hospitals.
]\Ir. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the
Committee had come to a Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
!Mr. Donovan reported the Resolution as follows: —
Besolved, That the cost of the maintenance of every Reception Hospital in
excess of the amount provided by the municipalities from which patients are
admitted shall be paid out of such moneys as may be voted by the Assembly and
be appropriated by the Legislature for that purpose.
Besolved, That the income derived from moneys received from the muni-
cipalities for the maintenance of such hospitals or otherwise shall form a separ-
ate fund to be known as "The Reception Hospitals for the Insane Fund" which
shall not form part of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, but shall be used and
applied for the same purposes and paid out in the same manner as the moneys
appropriated by the Legislature for maintenance of such hospitals.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and re-
ferred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 143), Respecting
Reception Hospitals for the Insane.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 91), To amend the Division Courts Act.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (No. 157), To amend the Registry Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (iSTo. 158), To amend the Land Titles Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 155), To amend the Factory, Shop and Office Building Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 154), To amend the Cemeteries Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
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194
(iTii Apeil.
1914
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 87), Respecting
the Eoyal Ontario Museum, having been read,
Mr. Hearst moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
Mr. Bowmftn moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word "That" be omitted
and the following substituted therefor : —
" this Bill be not now read a second time, but that it be, Resolved, that it
is the duty of the Government to submit to this House estimates of the expendi-
tures required on the part of the Province to carry out the objects of the Bill,
authorizing the erection and maintenance of the Royal Ontario Museum."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Bowman
Yeas.
Messieurs :
McDonald
Proudfoot
Rowell
Mayberr}'
Richardson
Sinclair
^
Nays.
Messi
ieurs :
Anderson
Devitt
Lucas
(Essex)
Donovan
McElroy
Armstrong
Duff
McFarlan
Bennewies
Foy
"McKeovm
Black
Grant
McXa light
Brower
Hearst
Mason
Norman
Peck
Reaume
Studholme
Thompson
(Slmcoe)
Torrance — 23.
Pairs.
None.
George V. Oth April. 195
The Motion for the second rcadino-, having been then again put, was car-
ried, and the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the
Whole Honse To-morrow.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Reaume, it was
BesoJved, That, beginning on Wednesday next and for each succeeding day
of the Session, Government Business shall take precedence over all other busi-
ness.
^Fr. McPherson reported the following Eesolutions from the Committee
of Supply: —
91. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and fifty dollars be
granted to. His Majesty to defray the expenses of Lieutenant-Governor's Office
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
92. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Office of the Prime Minister and
President of the Council, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
93. Resolved, That a sum not exceediug; ISTine hundred and eighty-two
dollars and thirty-seven cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the ex-
penses of Attorney-General's Department, for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
94. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and seventy-nine
dollars and thirty-seven cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the ex-
penses of the Audit of Justice Accounts, for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
95. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand six hundred and
sixty-eight dollars and seventy-three cents, be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Insurance Inspection, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
96. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Ontario Railway and
Municipal Board, for the year ending -Slst October, 1914.
97. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four thousand five hundred and
ninety-one dollars and forty-three cents he granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Education Department, for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
inn Cth Apkil. 1914
9S. Besolvcd, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Lands, Forests
and Mines for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
99. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Land Sales and
Free Grants for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
100. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and twenty-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Military Grants
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
101. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand and seventy-iive
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Surveys and
Patents for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
102. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Nine hundred and twenty-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Woods and For-
ests for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
103. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and sixty-four
dollars and eighty- three cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the ex-
penses of Accounts Branch for the year ending. 31st October, 1914.
104. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Forestry Branch for the year ending
Gist October, 1914.
105. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Bureau of Mines
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
106. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Public Works
Department for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
107. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Highways Branch
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
108. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Colonization Roads for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
fr(>or(j(' y. 6tii April. 197
109. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand four hundretl
and thirty-one dollars and fifty cents he granted to His ^lajesty to defray the
expenses of Boiler Inspection Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
110. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Fisheries and Game for the year
ending 31st October, 1914
111. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred dollars be granted
to Bis Alajesty to defray the expenses of Labour Bureau for the year ending
31st October, 1914. "^
312. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand eight hundred
dollars be granted to Ilis Majesty to defray the expenses of .Treasury Depart-
ment for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
113. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand one hundred and
sixty-three dollars and thirty-seven cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Succession Duties Branch for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
114. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand three hundred
and forty-three dollars and eighty-nine cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Audit Office for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
115. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand nine hundred
and sixty-nine dollars and thirty-two cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Provincial Secretary's Department for the year ending 31st
October, 1914.
116. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand two hundred and
thirty-eight dollars and sixty-eight cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Inspection Public Institutions for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
117. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of License Branch for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
118. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Registrar-General's
Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
119. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand four hundred and
seventy-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Pro-
vincial Board of Health for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
108 0X11 Al'RIT.. 191-1:
120. BesoJved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand one hundred and
fifty-four dollars and twenty-four cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Xeglected Children's Branch for the year ending 31st October.
1914.
121. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Department of
Agriculture for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
122. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Colonization for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
123. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Agricultural and Horticultural So-
cieties Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
124. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand one hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Live Stock
Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
125. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and seventy-five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Institutes Branch
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
126. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-five dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Dairy Branch for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
127. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Factory Inspection Branch
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
128. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to Hi? Majesty to defray the expenses of Stationary Engineers for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
129. Resolved That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and fifty-eight
dollars and thirty cents be granted to His ^Majesty to defray the expenses of
^Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
130. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-two thousand six hun-
dred and ninety-one dollars and sixty-one cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Legislation for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
George V. 6th Aprit.. 199
131. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand four hundred
nnd fifty dollars be granted to His Majestv to defray the expenses of Supreme
Court of Ontario for the year ending 31st October, 1914
132. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand dollars be granted
to His ^Majesty to defray the expenses of Appellate Division for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
133. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-six dollars and four-
teen cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of High Court
Division for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
134. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and forty dollars-
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Central Office for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
135. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and sixty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Registrar's Office for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
136. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Surrogate Clerk for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
137. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand one hundred and
nineteen dollars and fifty-five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Commutation of Fees for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
138. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Inspection of Legal Offices
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
139. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Inspection of Division
Courts for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
140. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight thousand two hundred and
eighty-eight dollars and forty-one cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Land Titles Office for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
141. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-six thousand eight hundred
and fifty-two dollars and sixty-two cents be granted to His Majestv to defray
the expenses of Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
200 6th April. 1914
142. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand seven hundred
and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Admin-
istration of Justice, District of Algoma, for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
143. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand three hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of District of
Thunder Bay for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
144. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand four hundred
and twenty dollars be granted to His ]\rajesty to defray the expenses of District
of Kenora for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
145. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of District of Nipissing for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
146. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of District of Muskoka, for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
147. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand five hundred and
thirty-four dollars and eighteen cents be granted to His ^Eajesty to defray the
expenses of District of Parry Sound for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
148. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred and twenty-three
dollars and eighteen cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of District of Manitoulin for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
149. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Nine thousand one hundred and
fifty-seven dollars and five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of District of Sudbury for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
150.. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of District of Rainy Eiver for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
151. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of District of Temiskaming
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
152. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty thousand two hundred
and eighty-one dollars and seven cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Public and Separate School Education for the year ending
Blst October, 1914.
George V. • 6th April. 201
153. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand five hundred and
sixty-seven dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Xormal
and Model Schools, Toronto, for the year ending October 31st, 1914.
154. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand one hundred and
sixty-four dollars and fifty-five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Xormal and Model Schools, Ottawa, for the year ending 31st Octo-
ber, 1914.
155. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand four hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of !N'ormal School,
London, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
156. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of ]^ormal School, Hamilton,
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
157. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and fifty dollars
he granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of iN'ormal School, Peter-
borough, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
158. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Xine hundred and ten dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Xormal School, Stratford,
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
159. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of x^ormal School, Xorth
Bay, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
160. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eleven thousand eight hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of High Schools and
Collegiate Institutes for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
161. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred and seventy-four
dollars and fifty-five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Departmental Library and Museum for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
162. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four thousand and seven
dollars and fifty-one cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Public Libraries, Art Schools, Historical, Literary and Scientific Societies
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
163. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand one hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Technical Educa-
tion for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
202 Otii Ai>ijii.. 1914
164:. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand nine hundred
and thirtv-five dollars and forty-five cents be granted to His ]\Iajesty to defray
the expenses of Maintenance, Toronto Normal and Model Schools and Educa-
tion Department and Miscellaneous, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
165. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand and forty dollars
and sixty-six cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of The
Ontario School for the Deaf for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
166. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand five hundred
and ninety-two dollars and twenty-five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of The Ontario School for the Blind, for the year ending 31st
October, 1914.
167. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ten thousand four hundred
and sixty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, Brockville, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
168. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventeen thousand two hun-
dred and thirty-four dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Hospital for the Insane, Hamilton, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
169. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand six hundred
and thirty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, Kingston, for the year ending 31st October, 19 14.
170. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand four hundred
and thirty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, London, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
171. Resolved. That a sum not exceeding Fourteen thousand six hundred
and twenty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Hospital for the Insane, Mimico, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
172. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six thousand nine hundred and
seventy dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for Feeble-Minded, Orillia, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
173. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-six
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for the
Insane, Penetanguishene, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
174. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eleven thousand three hundred
and ten dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, Toronto, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
George V. (jtk xVpril. 203
175. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand three hundred
and eighty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Hospital for Epileptics, Woodstock, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
176. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four thousand dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Central Prison, Toronto, for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
177. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Central Prison Industries for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
178. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and ninety dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mercer Reformatory,
Toronto, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
179. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight thousand five hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Agricultural and
Horticultural Societies for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
180. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Live Stock Branch for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
181. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Dairy Branch for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
182. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four thousand seven hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Fruit Branch for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
183. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand two hundred and
eighty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Ontario
Veterinary College for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
184. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred and ninety-
three dollars and thirteen cent^ be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October. 1914.
185. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six thousand one hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His ^fajesty to defray the expenses of Ontario
Agricultural College for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
186. Resolved. That a sum not exceeding Two thousand five hundred
and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mac-
donald Institute and Hall for the vear ending 31st October. 1914.
204 Gth April. 1914
187. Besolved, That a siim not exceeding Eight hundred dollars be
granted to His ^Majesty to defray the expenses of Animal Husbandry. Farm
and Experimental Feeding Department, for the year ending .31st October,
1914.
188. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Field Experiments for the year end-
ing 31st October, 1914.
189. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand four hundred
and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Poultry
Department for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
190. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His jMajesty to defray the expenses of Pomology Department
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
191. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mechanical Department for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
192. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand nine hundred
and seventy-six dollars and thirty-seven cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Colonization and Immigration for the year ending 31st
October, 1914.
193. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding IN^ineteen thousand four hun-
dred and ten dollars and fifty-seven cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Hospitals and Charities for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
194. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-eight dollars and twenty-
nine cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Government
House, Maintenance, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
195. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding !N^ineteen thousand eight hun-
dred and seventy-three dollars and twenty-seven cents be granted to His
Majesty to defray the expenses of Parliament and Departmental Buildings
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
196. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-one thousand four hun-
dred and three dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Parliament Buildings for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
197. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of No. 5 Queen's Park for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
George T'. 6th April. 205
198. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand five hundred
dollars be granted to His. Majesty to defray the expenses of No. 4 Queen's
Park for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
199. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand nine hundred
and ninety-one dollars and fifty-eight cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Osgoode Hall for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
200. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-two thousand five hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for
the Insane, Brockville, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
201. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand nine hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for the
Insane, Cobourg, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
•
202. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-five thousand nine hun-.
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Hospital for the Insane, Hamilton, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
203. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-two thousand four hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, Kingston, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
204. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-nine thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for the Insane,
London, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
205. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-nine thousand five
hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital
for the Insane, Mimico, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
206. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ninety-two thousand five hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for
Feeble-Minded. Orillia, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
207. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventeen thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for the Insane,
Penetanguishene, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
208. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-four
thousand and fifty-two dollars and fifty cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Hospital for the Insane, Toronto, for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
200 Oxii Ai'KiL. 1914
209. Besolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand four hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Hospital for
Epileptics, Woodstock, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
210. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and twenty-seven
thousand and eighty-three dollars and two cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Central Prison for the year ending 31st October. 1914.
211. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mercer Reformatory for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
212. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand four hundred
and twenty-five dollars and fifteen cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of ISTormal and Model Schools, Toronto, for the year en-ding 81st
October, 1914. •
213. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-two thousand three hun-
dred dollars be granted to His ]\rajesty to defray the expenses of Xormal and
Model Schools. Ottawa, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
214. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of !N"ormal School, Londou. for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
215. Resolved. That a sum not exceeding Two thousand dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of ISTormal School, Hamilton, for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
216. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Normal School, Peter-
borough, for the year ending 31st October, 1014.
217. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand three hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of IsTormal School,
Stratford, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
218. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand eight hundred
and eighty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Normal School, North Bay, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
219. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of English and French Training School,
Sandwich, for the year endfng 31st October, 1914.
George V. 6th Ai'iul. 207
220. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and three thou-
sand four hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Ontario School for the Deaf, Belleville, for the year ending 31st
October, 1914.
221. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eighty-five thousand three
hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Ontario
School for the Blind, Brantford, for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
222. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-eight thousand eight
hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Ontario Agricultural College for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
223. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-two thousand two hundred
dollars be granted to His llajesty to defray the expenses of Ontario Veterinary
College for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
224. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand three hundred
and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Horti-
cultural Experimental Station, Jordan Harbour, for the year ending 31st
October, 1914.
225. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Colonization and Immi-
gration for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
226. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight hundred and ninety
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Muskoka District
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
227. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventeen dollars be granted to
His ]\rajesty to defray the expenses of Parry Sound District for the year end-
ing 31st October. 1914.
228. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Manitoulin District for the yeax
ending 31st October, 1914.
229. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand nine hundred
and eleven dollars and fifty-five cents be granted to His ]\rajesty to defray the
expenses of Sudbury District for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
230. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand six hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of iN'ipissing District
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
208 6th April. 1914
231. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Sault Ste. Marie District for the
year ending 31st October, 1914.
232. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-seven thousand three
hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Rainy
"River District for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
233. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand three hundred
dollars be granted to His ]\rajesty to defray the expenses of Thunder Bay
District for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
234. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand and forty-one
dollars and fifteen cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Kenora District for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
235. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Temiskaming District for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
236. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand five hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Miscellaneous for
the year ending 31st October, 1914.
237. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-four thousand three hun-
dred and fifty-five dollars and forty-one cents be granted to His Majestv to
defray the expenses of Outside Service and Surveys for the year ending 31st
OQtober. 1914.
238. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty thousand two hundred
and twelve dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Parks
for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
239. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand one hundred
and fifty-five dollars and seventy cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Mines and ]\[ining for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
240. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eleven thousand one hundred
and two dollars and ninety-six cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Refunds for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
241. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Sixty-two thousand and forty-
nine dollars and three cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October. 1914.
George V. 6x11 axd Ttii April. 209
The several Resolutions having been read the second time, it was
Ordered, That the further consideration of the ninety-third, ninety-seventh,
one hundred and eleventh, one hundred and seventeenth, one hundred and
twenty-seventh and two hundred and forty-first Resolutions be postponed until
To-morrow.
The remaining Resolutions were concurred in.
The House then adjourned at 11 p.m.
Tuesday, April 7th. 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Commissioners of Estate Bills their
Report in the following case : —
Bill (Xo. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
The Report was then read by the Clerk at the Table as follows : —
"OsGOODE Hall, Toronto,
"April 5th, 1914. -
"Re Bill (No. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
"Sir, — We, the undersigned, two of the Justices of the Supreme Court
of Ontario, Commissioners of Estates Bills, to whom the above Bill was re-
ferred by your letter of April 1st, report as follows : —
"Upon perusal of the Bill, it appeared to your Commissioners that the
Bill as prepared was too wide in its provisions and that if enacted in the form
in which it was submitted to us there would be danger of the Act interfering
with matters concerning which the petitioners had not asked relief.
14- JOUR.
210 7th April. 1914
''Upon enquiry your Commissioners ascertained that the difficulty in the
title of the Rector and Church Wardens of St. Paul's Church arose from the
fact that the property was held under three separate titles and with respect
to one of the parcels two independent trusts had been declared.
''By the conveyance of the 1st December, 1842, one portion of the pro-
perty had been conveyed to the Lord Bishop of Toronto and his successors in
office as to the western one-half of the parcel to permit its use as a Church and
as to the easterly one-half thereof to permit its use as a parsonage house for the
benefit of the minister for the time being. The present church edifice covers
both these parcels.
"The second parcel was conveyed to the late Rev. Saltern Givens, who
subsequently, on the 26th May, 1873, entered into a bond to convey the land
to the Rector and Church Wardens upon receipt of five hundred dollars. This
sum has been paid to him, but no conveyance was ever executed, or, if executed,
it has been lost. It is not now practicable to obtain the conveyance from his
heirs.
"The title to the third parcel is derived partly from the Honourable
William Allan, who conveyed to the Rector and Church Wardens, and partly
from a conveyance from James Henderson, who conveyed to the late Reverend
-Saltern Givens and his successors in the office of incumbent of St. Paul's Church
.upon trust to erect a church or parsonage, with the right to use the same for
other purposes with the leave of James Henderson, his heirs, executors, ad-
ministrators or assigns. The said James Henderson is now dead.
"Your Commissioners have caused the draft Bill to be redrawn so as to
more fully set out the difficulties in connection with the petitioners' title and so
that the enacting clauses shall not deal with matters other than those expressly
enumerated ; and your Commissioners report that as amended it is reasonable
that such Bill do pass into law and that the provisions thereof as amended are
proper for carrying its purposes into effect.
"In as much as the title to the firstly referred to parcel is vested in the
Lord Bishop of Toronto, your Commissioners suggest that before the Bill is
dealt with the Lord Bishop should be notified.
We are, Sir,
Yours, etc.,
Glenholme Falconbeidge, C. J.K.B.,
W. P. MlDDLETON^ J.
ARTiruR H. Sydere, Esq.,
Clerk of the House of Assembly,
Parliament Buildings, Toronto.
George V. 7tii Apkij,. 211
Ordered, That Bill (N"o. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto, be
referred to the Committee on Private Bills with instructions to consider the
same with reference to the suggestions of the Commissioners of Estates Bills
thereon.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By Mr. Beck, the Petition of the City Council of London.
Mr. Luoas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their Seventh Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendments : —
Bill (Xo. 69), An Act to validate and confirm certain By-laws of the
Town of Brampton.
Bill (No. 31), An Act respecting the Municipality of Shuniah.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (Xo. 13), An Act respecting the City of Fort William.
Bill (ISTo. 31), An Act respecting the City of Port Arthur.
Bill (Xo. 58), An Act respecting the City of Peterborough.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bill (Xo. 36), To provide for the withdrawal of the Town of
Leamington from the jurisdiction of the County Council of the County of
Essex, the same having been withdrawn by the promoters thereof.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on
Bill (Xo. 36), Town of Leamington.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (Xo. 168), intituled "An Act to amend the Local Improvement Act."
Mr. Jes?op.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
212 Ttu Apkil. 1914
lUll (Xo. 1G9), intituled ''Au Act to amend the Corporation Tax Act."
Mr. Lucas.
Ordered. That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 87),
Respecting the Roval Ontario Museum, and, after some time spent therein,
^fr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Brewster reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 155),
To amend the Factory, Shop and Office Building Act, and, after some time
spent therein, !^^r. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Torrance reported.
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amend-
ments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 125), To pro-
hibit the employment of Women by Orientals, having been read,
Mr. Godfrey moved, . • •
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And a Debate having ensued,
Mr. Godfrey asked leave to withdraw the Bill.
George V. 7th April. 213
Mr. Studholme objected to the Motion for the withdrawal and asked fnr
the yeas and nays, which, being called for by Mr. Speaker, were declared by
him to be in favour of the Motion for the withdrawal and so he declared the
Motion carried and the IJill was thereupon withdrawn accordingly.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 123), Concern-
ing Operations for the Prevention of Procreation, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 75), To entitle
]\rarried Women who are property owners to vote at Municipal Elections, hav-
ing been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 145), Incor-
porating a Board of Racing Supervisors, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. When was the English-French Model or Teacher Training School at
Vankleek Hill established. 2. What was the number of students in attendance
during the years 1912 and 1913. 3. What is the number of students who have
obtained certificates of qualification to teach for each year since its establish-
ment.
To which the Minister of Education replied as follows: —
1. The English-French Model School at Vankleek Hill was established on
3rd of September, 1912. 2. The number of students admitted to the course of
training for the 1912-13 session was six. The number of students admitted
to the course of training for the 1913-14 session was four. 3. The number of
students who passed the final examination of the English-French Model Schools
at Vankleek Hill in 1913 and obtained English-French Third Class certificates,
valid for five years in the Province, was six.
214 7th Apkil. 1914
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. When was the English-French Model or Teacher Training School at
Ottawa established. 2. What has been the number of students in attendance
l^er year. 3. What is the number of students who have obtained certificates
of qualification to teach for each year since its establishment.
And the Minister of Education replied in the words and figures fol-
lowing : —
1. The English-French ]\rodel School at Ottawa was established on the
1st of September, 1907. 2. The number of students admitted to the course of
training for the 1907-08 session Avas fifteen. The number of students admitted
to the fall course of training in 1908 was eighteen. The number of students
admitted to the spring course of training in 1909 was twenty-six. The num-
ber of students admitted to the fall course of training in 1909 was twenty-two.
The nimiber of students admitted to the course of training for the 1910-11
session was twenty-three. The number of students admitted to the course of
training for the 1911-12 session was thirty-one. The number of students ad-
mitted to the course of training for the 1912-13 session was nineteen. The
number of students admitted to the course of training for the 1913-11 session
was twenty-two. 3. The number of students who passed the final examination
of the English-French Model Schools at Ottawa in 1908-09-10-11-12 and 1913
and obtained English-French Third Class certificates, valid for five years in
the Province, was as follows: — 1907-1908, June, fifteen; 1908, December,
eighteen; 1909, June, twenty-six; 1909, -December, twenty-one; 1910-1911,
Juno, twentv-three; 1911-1912, June, thirtv; 1912-1913, June, nineteen.
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question : —
1. When was the English-French Model or Teacher Training School in
Essex County established. 2. What has been the number of students in at-
tendance in each year since its establishment. 3. What is the number of
students who have obtained certificates of qualification to teach for each year
since its establishment.
And the Minister of Education replied as follows: —
1. The English-French Model School at Windsor was established on the
1st of September 1909. The English-French Model School at Sandwich was
George V. ' 7th April. 215
established on the ovd of September, 1912. 2. The number of students admitted
to the course of training for the 1909 session was thirty-one. The number of
students admitted to the course of training for the 1912-13 session was twenty-
five. The number of students admitted to the 1913-14 session was sixteen.
3. The number of students who passed the final examination at the English-
French Model School at Windsor in 1909 and obtained English-French Third
Class certificates, valid for five years in the Province, was twenty-eight. The
number of students who passed the final examination of the English-French
Model Schools in June, 1913, and obtained English-French Third Class certifi-
cates, valid for five years in the Province, was twenty-three. (Sandwich.)
]\rr. Thompson (Peterborough) asked the following Question: —
1. How many training schools for supplying teachers for the English-
French Schools existed in the Province prior to 1905, and where were they
situated. 2. How many are in existence at the present time and 'where are
they situated.
And the Minister of Education replied in the words following: —
1. One English-French Training School existed in the Province prior to
1905. This school was situated at Plantagenet. 2. There are four English-
French Model Schools in the Province of Ontario at the present time. They
are situated at Ottawa, Sandwich, Sturgeon Falls and Vankleek Hill.
Mr. Bowman asked the following Question: —
1. What was the original date of the issue of the several timber licenses
covering the timber proposed to be purchased from the Pembroke Lumber Com-
pany. 2. When did the Pembroke Lumber Company acquire the said licenses
respectively. 3. Did the Pembroke Lumber Company cut any timber under
the said licenses during the years 1911, 1912 or 1913. If so, which year. 4.
If not, what was the last year on which cutting was done under the said
several licenses respectively. 5. What was the character and quantity of tim-
ber cut during the last season under which cutting was done under the said
several licenses respectively. 6. Which of the said Licenses of the Pembroke
Lumber Company are within the area of the Algonquin National Park ; and
what is the date under which the areas covered by the said several licenses were
brought within the said Algonquin Xational Park. 7. What amounts of pine,
Jaemlock, cedar and spruce respectively have been cut on the limits or areas
covered by the proposed agreement with the Pembroke Lumber Company.
216
7th April.
1914
And the Aiinister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words and
ligures following:^
License Numbers Original Season
Season 1012-1". of Issue.
92 1842-43
93 1844-45
05 1845-46
96 1845-46
100 1851-52
101 1839-40
102 1845-46
103 1846-47
105 1845-46
104 1845-46
106 1845-46
107 ; 1845-46
108 1846-47
109 1846-47
110 1849-50
112 1842-43
113 1845-46
114 1845-46
2. License Numbers Date Licenses
Season 1912-13. were acquired.
92 November 27, 1894.
93 November 27, 1894.
95 July 10, 1893.
96 November 9, 1892.
100 May 6, 1893.
101 May 6, 1893.
102 May 6, 1893.
103 June 30, 1898.
105 June 30, 1898.
104 June 30, 1898.
106 June 30,. 1898.
107 June 30, 1898.
108 June 30, 1898.
109 June 30, 1898.
110 June 30, 1898.
112 June 30, 1898.
113 June 30, 1898.
114 June 30, 1898.
3. Yes. In each of the three years. 4. Answered by No. 3. 5. They returned
their timber, "on limits," not distingriTishing the license or berth ; part of the
cutting was on these limits and part on others. Cannot at the moment give
the information ; further inquiry must be made. 6. They are all within the
Algonquin Park. Numbers 105, 107, 109, and 114 were brought into the
Park under Order-in-Council November 11th, 1904. All the others were
brought into the Park under Order-in-Council March 3rd, 1914. 7. It is
impossible to answer this at the present moment as it would take a long time
to get this information, it having to be traced back for a number of years.
On ^Nfotion of Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mr. Atkinson,
Ordered, That there be laid before the House a Eeturn showing: — 1. If
the Lieutenant-Governor in Council made any arrangements under Section 9
of the Succession Duties Act, with any part of the British Dominions, or with
any foreign country; and if so, with what Provinces or countries. 2. If no
such arrangement has been made with the Province of Quebec, does the Honour-
able the Provincial Treasurer make an allowance with respect to Succession
Duties in Ontario with respect to shares of stock of a bank or other financial
institution whose head office is in the Province of Quebec. 3. If it is true that
George V. 7th April. 217
a Succession Duty is payable with respect to such shares, both in Quebec and
Ontario, will legislation be introduced to protect estates from payment of
double duty.
On Motion of Mr. Atkinson, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
Ordered, That there be laid before the House a Return showing: — 1. How
much the Hydro-Electric Power Commission has spent in building the trunk
line from Morrisburg to Prescott, and from Morrisburg to Winchester and
Chesterville. 2. Did the Hydro-Electric Power Commission enter into an
agreement with the New York and Ontario Power Company, or any person on
their behalf, for a supply of power for transmission on this line, to be de-
veloped at Waddington or elsewhere; and if so, what is the date of such-
agreement. 3. Was it a term of any such agreement that the Directors of the
New York and Ontario Power Company became personally liable if power
was not supplied within a certain defined time. 4. Has the Hydro-Electric
Power Commission entered into any agreement with the Rapids Power Com-
pany for the supply of power ; if so, what is the date of such agreement.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 162), To amend the Game and Fisheries Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 1-41), To amend the Industrial Farms Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 151), To amend the Ontario Reformatory Act, and to confirm
a certain Order-in-Council.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 152), To amend the Hospitals for the Insane Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 160), To amend the Ontario Insurance Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-raorrow.
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: —1
Bill (No. 165), To amend the Succession Duty Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 166), To amend the Surrogate* Courts Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 150), To amend the Motor Vehicles Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
Bill (No. 164), To amend the Motor Vehicles Act.
Referred to the Municipal Committee.
On Motion of Mr. Fraser, seconded bv Mr. Nixon,
Resolved, That notwithstanding the time for presenting Petitions for
Private Bills has elapsed, that leave be given to present a Petition of the
Niagara Falls, Welland and Dunnville Electric Railway Company and that
the same be now read and received.
The following Petition was then read and received: —
The Petition of the Niagara Falls, Welland and Dunnville Electric Rail-
way Company, praying that an Act may pass extending the time for commence-
ment and completion of the road and for other purposes.
The House proceeded to take into further consideration the Resolutions
reported from the Committee of Supply on Yesterday, the consideration where-
of had been postponed.
The Ninety-third Resolution, respecting the expenses of the Attorney-
General's Department, having been again read, was concurred in.
George V. 7th April. 219
The Ninety-seventh Resolution, respecting the expenses of the Education
Department, having been again read,
^fr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Marshall moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. McQueen,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be stricken out
and the following substituted therefor: —
" in view of the vital importance of the education of the youth of this
Province, this House regrets the lack of constructive leadership in the Depart-
ment of Education, where leadership is so urgently needed. This House is of
the opinion that the overloading of the curriculum of the Public and High
Schools of the Province, the rigidity of the present regulations, and the manner
in which they are administered by the Department of Education tend to pre-
vent initiative and the development of individuality on the part of both
teachers and scholars, and are inimical to the highest efficiency of the schools.
That the Government has failed adequately to meet the demand for properly
qualified teachers in the Province by enlarging the local facilities for teacher
training. That the failure of the Government to deal with these, and many
other educational problems of pressing importance, is depriving many of the
youth of the Province of the educational opportunities which they are entitled
to enjoy, and is handicapping the educational progress of the Province."
x\nd the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Resolution was then concurred in.
The One Hundred and Eleventh Resoluition, respecting the Labour Bureau,
having been again read, was concurred in.
The One Hundred and Seventeenth Resolution, respecting the expenses of
the License Branch, having been again read, was concurred in.
The One Hundred and Twenty-seventh Resolution, respecting the expenses
of the Factory Inspection Branch, having been again read, was concurred in.
The Two Hundred and Forty-first Resolution, respecting the expenses of
Miscellaneous, having been again read, was concurred in.
■220 7th and Stii April. 1914
Mr. Gooderham moved, seconded by Mr. Owens,
That in the opinion of this House the time has arrived when it is desir-
able that a full investigation should be made into the working of the present
system of municipal government in the Province of Ontario, more especially
as affecting the larger centres of population and having regard to the increase
in the number of public services controlled by municipal corporations, the
management of the finances of the corporations and the desirability of procur-
ing a staple and continuous form of municipal government and that the As-
sembly is of opinion that a Commission should be appointed to investigate and
report upon the matters aforesaid.
And a Debate having ensued, the Motion was, by leave of the House,
withdrawn.
Mr. Reaume presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
lieu tenant-Governor : —
Eeport of the Good Roads Commission for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers No. 84.)
The House then "adjourned at 10.25 p.m.
Wednesday, April Sth. 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Tal)le : —
By ]\rr. Dargavel, the Petition of James A. Kelly and others of Lambeth.
Mr. Lennox, from the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented
their Tenth Report, which was read as follow^s and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully examined the following Petitions and find
the notices as published in each case sufficient : —
Of the Town Council of Trenton, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm a certain By-law and Agreement of the Town of Trenton.
George V. 8th April. 221
Of the Town Council of Orillia, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm certain By-laws.
Of the Town Council of Wiarton, praying that an Act may pass em-
powering the issue of Debentures to the extent of $25,000.
Of the iSTiagara Falls, Welland and Dunnville Electric Railway Com-
pany, praying that an Act may pass extending the time for commencement and
completion of the road and for other purposes.
Your Committee recommend that Rule l^o. 51 of Your Honourable
House be further suspended in this that the time for introducing Private Bills
to Your Honourable House be further extended until and inclusive of Wednes-
day, the 15th day of April instant.
Ordered, That the time for introducing Private Bills be further extended
imtil and inclusive of Wednesday, the 15th day of April instant.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 108), intituled "An Act to confirm a certain Agreement and
By-law of the Town of Trenton." Mr. Johnson.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 55), intituled "An Act respecting the Niagara Falls, Welland
and Dunnville Electric Railway Company." Mr. Fraser.
Referred to the Committee on Railways.
Bill (Xo. 56), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Wallaceburg."
Mr. Sulman.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 96), intituled "An Act to confinn certain By-laws of the Town
of Orillia." Mr. Hartt.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (Xo. 171), intituled "An Act for raising ]\[oney on the Credit of
the Consolidated Revenue of Ontario." Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
222 8th April. 1914
Bill (Xo. 172), intituled "An Act to amend the Provincial Loans Act."
Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the- P>ill be read the second time To-morrow.
On Motion of ]\rr. McXaught, seconded by Mr. Preston (Durham),
Resolved, Tbat notwithstanding the time for presenting Petitions for
Private Bills has elapsed, leave be given to present a Petition of the City Coun-
cil of Toronto as to the acquisition of a certain Block of Land on Lombard
Street, and that the same be now read and received.
The following Petition was then read and received : —
Of the City Council of Toronto, praying that an Act may pass respecting
the acquisition of certain lands on Lombard and Adelaide Streets.
On ^lotion of Mr. McXaught, seconded by ^Ir. Preston (Durham),
Resolved, That the Rules of the House he suspended, and that without
reference to any Report from the Committee on Standing Orders, leave be
given to introduce a Bill respecting the City of Toronto, and that the same be
read a first time and do stand referred to the Committee on Private Bills in
accordance with the Rule in that case made and provided.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 170), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Toronto." Mr
McXaught.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
On Motion of Mr. McPherson, seconded by ^Ir. Brewster,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
The number of convictions for intoxication in Local Option IMunicipalities.
2. Convictions for other offences against Local Option Law during the license
year 1912-13.
George V.
Sth Apkil.
223
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the fol-
lowing Bills: —
Bill (No. 19), Respecting the 'City of Hamilton.
Bill (Xo. 65), Respecting the Queen Street Car Sen-ice upon Queen
Street East in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway Company.
Bill (No. 41), Respecting the Town of Midland.
!Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Peck reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills rej)orted, be severally read the Third time To-
morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 62), To incor-
porate the To^vn of St. Clair Beach, having been read,
Mr. Sulman moved.
That the Bill be now read the second time.
And the Motion, having been put, was carried on the following Division : —
Yeas.
Anderson
(Essex)
Black
B rower
Cameron
Champagne
Dargavel
Duff
Ebbs
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenriUe^
Messieurs :
Foy
McCrea
Eraser
McElroy
Galna
McFarlan
Gamey
]\racArthur
Gooderham
Macdiarmid
Hanna
Mason
Hartt
INfathieu
Hearst
Mills
Hendrie
Morel
Henry
Musgrove
Hogarth
Nesbitt
Jarvis
Nixon
Lennox
Norman
Lucas
Peck
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 51
224
8tii Apiul.
1914
Xays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bo\vinan
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McDonald
McQueen
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proud foot
Pairs.
None.
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair-
Studholme — 16
And the Bill was then read the second time and referred to a Committee
of the Whole House To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 69). To validate and confirm certain By-laws of the Town of
Brampton.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 31). Respecting the Municipality of Shuniah.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 13), Respecting the City of Fort William.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (X^o. 34), Respecting the City of Port Arthur.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill fXo. 58). Respecting the City of Peterborough.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill rXo. 159). To amend the Coroners Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill rXo. 167), The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
George V. 8th April. 225
Bill (Xo. 156), To amend the Stationary Engineers Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 147),
Respecting the purchase of Timber Limits of the Pembroke Lumber Com-
pany.
And the Committee having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock
midnight.
Thursday, 9th April, 1914.
The Committee continued,
And, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair;
and Mr. Owens reported. That the Committee had directed him to report the
Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next sittings of the
House. To-dav.
On Motion of Mr. Reaume, seconded by Mr. Duff,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the ^Vhole to consider a certain proposed Resolution respecting the salary
of the Deputy Minister of Game and Fisheries.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolution recom-
mends it to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
(In the CommiHee.)
Resolved, That the Deputy Minister of Game and Fisheries shall be
paid such salary as may be fixed by the Lieutenan-t-Governor in Council, out
of any nioneys appropriated by this Legislature for the purposes of the Game
and Fisheries Branch. -
15-JOUK.
226 8th Apkil. 1914
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported, That the
Committee had come to a resolution.
Ordered, That the Eeport be now received.
Mr. Gamey reported the Resolution as follows: —
Resolved, That the Deputy Minister of Game and Fisheries shall be paid
such salary as may be fixed by the Lieutenant-Governor in Council, out of any
moneys appropriated by this Legislature for the purposes of the Game and
Fisheries Branch.
The Resolution having been read the second time, was agreed to, and
referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 162), To amend
the Game and Fisheries Act.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr. Hearst,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider certain proposed resolutions respecting the Surrogate
Court.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
Lavinii been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions,
recommends them to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That on every application for probate of a will or letters of
administration or for resealing letters probate or letters of administration
granted by a Court of competent jurisdiction in the United Kingdom or in
any Province or territory of the Dominion or in any other British possession,
the executor, administrator or other applicant shall, in consideration of the
grant of representation to administer the property in Ontario, pay to the
Treasurer of Ontario as probate duty under the Succession Duty Act on all
the property passing by the succession in Ontario and on property locally
situate in Ontario where the deceased was domiciled elsewhere in addition to
any fees payable under this Act.
That such sum shall be payable to the Treasurer or security to his satis-
faction given therefore before the issue of the probate or letters of administra-
tion or the resealing of letters probate or of administration.
George V. 8th April. 227
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported, That the
Committee had come to a certain Resolution.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Gamey reported the Resolutions as follows: —
Resolved, That on every application for probate of a will or letters of
administration or for resealing letters probate or letters of administration
granted by a Court of competent jurisdiction in the United Kingdom or in
any Province or territory of the Dominion or in any other British possession,
the executor, administrator or other applicant shall, in consideration of the
grant of representation to administer the property in Ontario, pay to the
Treasurer of Ontario as probate duty under the Succession Duty Act on all
the property passing by the succession in Ontario and on property local'y
situate in Ontario where the deceased was domiciled elsewhere in addition
to any fees payable under this Act.
That such sum shall be payable to the Treasurer or security to his satis-
faction given therefore before the issue of the probate or letters of administra-
tion or the resealing of letters probate or of administration.
The Resolutions having l^een read the second time, were agreed to, and
jeferretl to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 166), To amend
the Surrogate Courts Act.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr. Hearst,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the ^^^lole to consider certain proposed Resolutions respecting Succession
Duties.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions,
recommends them to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That, subject to the exceptions mentioned in sections 6 and 7,
there shall be levied and paid for the purposes of raising a revenue for Provin-
cial purposes in respect of any succession or on property passing on the death
according to the dutiable value the following duties over and above the fees
paid under the Surrogate Courts Act: —
23^ Stii Apkil. 1914:
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $50,000, and anv
property passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in part
to or for the benefit of the grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, husband,
wife, child, son-in-law or daughter-in-law of the deceased, the same or so much
thereof as- so passes (as the case may be) shall be subject to a duty at the rate
and on the scale as follows : —
That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $75,000, 1^ per cent,
(h) Exceeds $75,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 3 per cent. "
(c) Exceeds $100,000 and does not exceed $150,000, 41/2 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $150,000 and does not exceed $300,000, 51/2 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $300,000 and does not exceed $500,000, 61/2 per cent.
(/) Exceeds $500,000 and does not exceed $750,000, 71/2 per ceiit.
(g) Exceeds $750,000 and does not exceed $1,000,000, 8I/2 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $1,000,000, 10 per cent.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $100,000 and the
value of the property passing in manner hereinbefore mentioned to any one of
the persons mentioned in the next preceding subsection exceeds the amount
hereinafter mentioned, a further duty shall be paid on the amount so passing
in addition to the rates in the next preceding subsection mentioned as follows:
That where the whole amount so passing to one person
(a) Exceeds $100,000 and does not exceed $200,000, 1 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $200,000 and does not exceed $400,000, II/2 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $400,000 and does not exceed $600,000, 2 per cent,
{d) Exceeds $600,000 and does not exceed $800,000, 21/2 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $800,000 and does not exceed $1,000,000, 3 per cent.
If) Exceeds $1,000,000 and does not exceed $1,200,000, 1 per cent,
(g) Exceeds $1,200,000, 5 per cent.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $5,000 and any
proi)erty passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in part
to or for the benefit of any lineal ancestor of the deceased, except the grand-
father, grandmother, father and mother, or to any brother or sister of the
deceased or to any descendant of such brother or sister or to a brother or sister
of the father or mother of the deceased or to any descendant of such last men-
tioned bother or sister, the same or so much thereof as so passes shall be subject
to a duty at the rate and on the scale as follows: —
That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds $5,000 and does not exceed $10,000, 21/2 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $10,000 and does not exceed $50,000, 5 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 10 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $100,000, I21/2 per cent.
George V. 8tii Ai-hil. 229
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $50,000 and the
value of the property passing in manner hereinbefore mentioned to any one of
the persons mentioned in the next preceding subsection, except the grandfather,
grandmother, father and mother exceeds the amount hereinafter mentioned, a
further duty shall be paid on the amount so passing in addition to the .duty in
the next preceding subsection mentioned as follows: —
That where the whole amount so passing to one person
(a) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 1 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $100,000 and does not exceed $150,000, II/2 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $150,000 and does not exceed $200,000, 2 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $200,000 and does not exceed $250,000, 21/2 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $250,000 and does not exceed $300,000, 3 per cent.
If) Exceeds $300,000 and does not exceed $350,000, 31/2 per cent.
(g) Exceeds- $350,000 and does not exceed $400,000, 4 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $400,000 and does not exceed $450,000, 41/2 per cent,
(i) Exceeds $450,000, 5 per cent.
That the additional duty provided for by subsections 2 and 4 shall be pay-
able on the property in Ontario, where the deceased dies domiciled elsewhere
than in Ontario, hut for the purpose of fixing the rate of such duty the bene-
ficial interest in property out of Ontario passing to the successor or other per-
son on the same death shall be added to the value of the property in Ontario,
and nothing in this Act shall be construed to impose any duty, directly or
otherwise, on property out of Ontario owned by any deceased person so domi-
ciled.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $5,000 and any
property passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in part
to or for the benefit of any person in any other degree of collateral consan-
guinity to the deceased than is above mentioned or to or for the benefit of any
stranger in blood to the deceased, the same or so much thereof as so passes shall
be subject to a duty at the rate and on the scale as follows: —
That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds $5,000 and does not exceed $50,000, 10 per cent.
(h) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $1,000,000, 15 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $1,000,000, 15 per cent, up to $1,000,000; and 20 per
cent, upon the excess over $1,000,000.
That where the applicant for letters probate of a will or letters of adminis-
tration or for resealing any letters probate or of administration under section
74 of the Surrogate Courts Act has paid to the Treasurer the probate duty
required by such Act, the duty in respect of the same property payable under
this Act shall not be payable.
230 8th April. 1914-
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Com-
mittee had come to certain Resolutions.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
^[r. Gamey reported the Resolutions as follows: —
Resolved, That, subject to the exceptions mentioned in sections 6 and 7,
there shall be levied and paid for the purpose of raising a revenue for Provin-
cial purposes in respect of any succession or on property passing on the death
according to the dutiable value the following duties over and above the fees
paid under the Surrogate Courts Act: —
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $50,000, and any
property passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in part
to or for the benefit of the grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, husband,
wife, child, son-in-law or daughter-in-law of the deceased, the same or so much
thereof as so passes (as the case may be) shall be subject to a duty at the rate
and on the scale as follows: —
That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $75,000, 1^ per cent,
(h) Exceeds $75,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 3 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $100,000 and does not exceed $150,000, 41/0 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $150,000 and does not exceed $300,000, 51/2 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $300,000 and does not exceed $500,000, 61/2 per cent,
if) Exceeds $500,000 and does not exceed $750,000, 71/2 per cent,
(g) Exceeds $750,000, and does not exceed $1,000,000, 8I/2 per cent.
Ill) Exceeds $1,000,000. 10 per cent.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $100,000 and the
value of the property passing in manner hereinbefore mentioned to any one of
the persons mentioned in the next preceding subsection exceeds the amount
hereinafter mentioned, a further duty shall be paid on the amount so passing
in addition to the rates in the next preceding subsection mentioned as follows : —
That where the whole amount so passing to one person
(a) Exceeds $100,000 and doe-s not exceed $200,000, 1 per cent.
(b) Exceeds $200,000 and does not exceed $400,000, II/2 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $400,000 and does not exceed $(;0,0,000, 2 jier cent.
(d) Exceeds $000,000 and does not exceed $800,000, 21/0 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $800,000 and does not exceed $1,000,000, 3 per cent,
if) Exceeds $1,000,000 and does not exceed $1,200,000, 4 per cent,
(g) Exceeds $1,200,000, 5 per cent.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $5,000 and any
property passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in })art to
George V. 8th April. 231
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or for the l)enetit of any lineal ancestor of the deceased, except the grandfather,
grandmother, father and mother, or to anv brother or sister of the deceased
or to any descendant of such brother or sister or to a brother or sister of the
father or mother of the deceased or to any descendant of such last mentioned
brother or sister, the same or so much thereof as so passes shall be subject to a
duty at the rate and on the scale as follows: —
That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds $5,000 and does not exceed $10,000, 21/2 per cent.
(b) Exceeds $10,000 and does not exceed $50,000, 5 per cent.
(c) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 10 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $100,000, 121/2 per cent.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $50,000 and the
value of the property passing in manner hereinbefore mentioned to any one of
the persons mentioned in the next preceding subsection, except the grandfather,
grandmother, father and mother exceeds the amount hereinafter mentioned, a
further duty shall be paid on the amount so passing in addition to the duty in
the next preceding; subsection mentioned as follows : —
That where the whole amount so passing to one person
(a) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $100,000, 1 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $100,000 and does not exceed $150,000, li/o per cent.
(c) Exceeds $150,000 and does not exceed $200,000, 2 per cent.
(d) Exceeds $200,000 and does not exceed $250,000, 21/2 per cent.
(e) Exceeds $250,000 and does not exceed $300,000, 3 per cent.
If) Exceeds $300,000 and does not exceed $350,000, 31/2 per cent,
(g) Exceeds $350,000 and does not exceed $400,000, 4 per cent,
(h) Exceeds $400,000 and does not exceed $450,000, 41/2 P^r cent,
(i) Exceeds $450,000, 5 per cent.
That the additionjal duty provided for by subsections 2 and 4 shall be pay-
able on the property in Ontario, where the deceased dies domiciled elsewhere
than in Ontario, but for the purpose of fixing the rate of such duty the bene-
ficial interest in projjerty out of Ontario passing to the successor or other per-
son on the same death shall be added to the value of the property in Ontario,
and nothing in this Act shall be construed to impose any duty, directly or
otherwise, on property out of Ontario owned by any deceased person so domi-
ciled.
That where the aggregate value of the property exceeds $5,000 and any
property passes in manner hereinbefore mentioned, either in whole or in part
to or for the benefit of any person in any other degree of collateral consan-
guinity to the deceased than is above mentioned or to or for the benefit of any
stranger in blood to the deceased, the same or so much thereof as so passes shall
be subject to a duty at the rate and on the scale as follows : —
232 Sth April. 1914
• That where the aggregate value
(a) Exceeds"$5,000 and does not exceed $50,000, 10 per cent,
{h) Exceeds $50,000 and does not exceed $1,000,000, 15 per cent,
(c) Exceeds $1,000,000, 15 per cent, up to $1,000,000; and 20
per cent, upon the excess over $1,000,000.
That where the applicant for letters probate of a will or letters of adminis-
tration or for resealing any letters probate or of administration under section
74 of the Surrogate Courts Act has paid to the Treasurer the probate duty
required by such Act, the duty in respect of the same property payable under
this Act shall not be payable.
The Kesolutions having been read the second time were agreed to, and
referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (iN'o. 165), To amend
the Succession Duties Act.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 141),
To amend the Industrial Farms Act, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next sittings of the
House, To-day.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 151),
To amend the Ontario Reformatory Act and to confirm a certain Order in
Council, and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair;
and Mr. Gamey reported, That the Committee had directed him to report the
Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next sittings of the
House, To-day.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 152),
To amend the Hospitals for the Insane Act, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the chair; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next sittings of the
House, To-day.
George V. 8tii and Oth Apkil. 233
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 42), Respecting
the City of Sault Ste. Marie, F. H. Clergue and the Lake Superior Dry Dock
and Construction Company, Limited, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forth\vith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
sanae.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next Sittings of the
House To-day.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House by command of His ITonour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Copy of an Order-in-Council approved by His Honour tbe Lieutenant-
Governor, under the provisions of Subsection 2 of Section 118 of the Muni-
cipal Drainage Act. {Sessional Papers No. 85.)
The House then adjourned at 12.50 a.m.
Thursday, April 9th, 1914.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
The following Petitions were read and received: —
Of the City Council of London, praying that civic enfranchisement be
given to Married Women.
Of James A. Kelly and others of Lambeth, praying for certain amend-
ments to the Division Courts Act.
Mr. Reaume from the Standing Committee on Fish and Game presented
their First Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully considered Bill (No. 133), To amend
the Ontario Game and Fisheries Act and have prepared certain amendments
thereto.
234 9th April. 1914
Mr. Hanna from the Standing Committee on Private Bills presented
their Eighth Export, which wat> read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendments : —
Bill (Xo. 21), An Act respecting the Town of Cochrane.
Bill (Xo. 52), An Act to incorporate the City of Sarnia.
Bill (Xo. 113), An Act respecting the Village of Mimico.
Bill (Xo. 99), An Act to confirm By-law Number 387 of the County of
Halton.
Bill (Xo. 57), An Act to consolidate the debenture debt of the City of
Stratford. •
Bill (Xo. 161), An Act respecting Canada Furniture Manufacturers,
Limited.
Bill (Xo. 12), An Act to confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of
the Town of Trenton.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (Xo. 35), An Act respecting the Township of York.
Fill (Xo. 82), An Act respecting the Orphans' Home of the City of
Otta^va.
ijill (Xo. 47), An Act respecting the Town of Collingwood.
Bill (Xo. 45), An Act respecting the City of Toronto.
Bill (Xo. 93), An Act to incorporate the Town of Bala.
Your Committee recommend that the fees less the actual cost of printing
be remitted on Bill (Xo. 32), Respecting the Orphans' Home of the City of
Ottawa, on the ground that the same is one relating to a Religious Institution.
Your Committee recommend that notwithstanding Rule 51 of Your Hon-
ourable House the time for receiving Reports on Private Bills be further ex-
tended until and inclusive of Thursday, the 16th day of April instant.
George V. 9tii April. 235
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on
Bill (No. 32), Orphans' Some, Ottawa.
Ordered, That the time for receiving Reports from Committees on Private
Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Thursday, the 16th dav of
April instant.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 153), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Wiarton and
Canada Casket Company, Limited." Mr. Bowman.
Beferred to the Committee on Private Bills.
Bill (No. 174), intituled "An Act to amend the Wages Act." Mr. Galna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Tuesday next.
Bill (No. 175), intituled "An Act respecting certain Colonization Boads."
IVfr. Beaume.
Ordered, That the Bill he read the second time on Tuesday next.
Bill (No. 176), intituled "An Act to amend the Tile Drainage Act." Mr.
Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Tuesday next.
Bill (No. 177), intituled "An Act respecting the City of Ottawa." Mr.
Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Tuesdav next.
On Motion of Mr. Nixon, seconded by Mr. Galna,
Besolved, That the Rules of the House relating to Private Bills be sus-
pended and that leave be given to introduce a Bill respecting the Town of
Oakville.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (No. 173), intituled "An Act respecting the Town of Oakville."
Mr. Nixon.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
236 9tii April. ' 1914
Mv. Foy delivered to Mr. Speaker a Message from the Lieutenant-
Governor, signed by himself; and the said Message was read by Mr. Speaker,
and is as follows : —
J. M. GIBSON.
The Lieutenant-Governor transmits Supplementary Estimates of certain
sums required for the service of the Province for the year ending 31st October,
19T4. and recommends them to the Legislative Assembly.
Government House,
Toronto, April 9th, 1914.
(Sessional Papers No. 2.)
Ordered, That the Message of the Lieutenant-Governor, together with
the Estimates accompanying same, be referred to the Committee of Supply.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 157),
To amend the Registry Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr, Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. Preston (Durham) reported. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 15S),
To amend the Land Titles Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. Preston (Durham) reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 10.5),
To amend the Succe.'Jsion Duties Act, and after some time spent therein. Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported, That the Committee
had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again on Tuesday next.
George V. • 9th April. 237
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 166),
To amend the Surrogate Courts Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 156),
To amend the Stationary Engineers Act, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Gamey reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 159),
To amend the Coroners Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Committee had directed
him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 167),
The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr, Gamey reported, That the Committee
had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again on Tuesday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 160),
To amend the Ontario Insurance Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported, That the Committee
had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again on Tuesday next.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That when this House adjourns To-day, it do stand adjourned
until Three of the Clock in the afternoon of Tuesday, the Fourteenth day of
April instant,
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 149), The Fair
Wages and Hours of Labour Regulation Act, 1914, having been read,
Mr. Studholme moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
238 9th April. 1914
And a Debate having ensued, it was
Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned until Tuesday next.
Air. Hanna presented to the House by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
The Fruits of Ontario, prepared by the Fruit Branch. (Sessional Papers,
No. 33A.)
Also — Report of the Farmers' Institutes for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers, No. 40.)
Also — Report of the Women's Institutes for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 41.)
Also — Report of the Agricultural Societies of the. Province, for the year
1913. (Sessional Papers, No. 42.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 3rd ]\larch, 1913, for a
Return showing: — 1. Copies of all correspondence between the Minister of
Education or any other member or official of the Government and any other
person or persons during 1910, 1911 and 1912, relating to the investigation
made by Dr. Merchant of the bi-lingual or French-English Schools in Ontario.
2. Copies of all correspondence between the Minister of Education or any other
member or official of the Government and any other person or persons during
the year 1912, relating to Regulation IS'o. 17. (Sessional Papers, No. 86.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 3rd March. 101-'). for a
Return showing: — 1. How much the Hydro-Electric Power Commi&sion has
spent in building the trunk line from Morrisburg to Prescott, and from Morris-
burg to Winchester and Chesterville. 2. Did the Hydro-Electric Power Com-
mission enter into an agreement with the I^ew York and Ontario Power Com-
pany, or any person on their behalf, for a supply of power for transmission on
this line, to be developed at Waddington or elsewhere; and if so, what is the
date of such agreement. 3. Was it a term of any such agreement that the
Directors of the New York and Ontario Power Company became personally
liable if power was not supplied within a certain defined time. 4. Has the
Hydro-Electric Power Commission entered into any agreement with the Rapids
Power Company for the supply of power ; if so, what is the date of such agi'ee-
ment. (Sessional Papers No. 87.)
The House then adjourned at 6 p.m.
George V. 14th April. 239
Tuesday, April 14th, 1914.
PrAYEES. - 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petition was brought up and laid upon the Table: —
By Mr. Jessop, the Petition of the City Council of 'St. Catharines.
Mr. Anderson (Essex), from the Standing Committee on Printing, pre-
sented their First Report, which was read as follows : —
Your Committee recommend that the following Documents be printed: —
Public Accounts of the Province of Ontario for the year 1913. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 1.)
Supplementary Estimates of the Province of Ontario for the year 1914.
{Sessional Papers No. 2.)
Twenty-third Annual Report of the Bureau of Mines. {Sessional Papers
No. 4.)
Report of the Inspector of Division Courts for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers No. 5.)
Report of the Inspector of Legal Offices for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers No. 6.)
Report of the Superintendent of Insurance Transactions for the vear
1913. {Sessio7ial Papers No. 10.)
Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies for the year 1913. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 11.)
Loan Corporations Statements for the year 1913. {Sessional Papers No
12.)
Report of the Department of Public Works for the year 1913. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 13.)
Report of the G-ame and Fisheries Department for the year 1913. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 14.)
240 ■ 14th Apeil. 1914
Report of the Bureau of Labour for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 16.)
^Report of the Minister of Education for the year 1913. (SessiouQ,! Papers
No. 17.)
Report of the Board of Governors of the University of Toronto for the
year 1913. (Sessioiial Papers No. 18.)
Report of the Registrar-General for the- year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 20.)
Special Report of the Provincial Board of Health. (Sessional Papers
No. 21a.)
Report on the Operation of the Liquor License Acts for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 28.)
Reports of the Live Stock x^ssociations for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 39.) -
Report of the Temiskaming and I^^JTorthern Ontario Railway Commission
for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 47.)
Report of the Hydro-Electric Power Commission for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 48.)
Einal Report of Laws Relating to Liability of Employers and Second
Interim Report on same subject. (Sessional Papers No. 53.)
Statement of the Provincial iluditor for the year 1913. (Sessidnal Papers
No. 54.)
Regulations and Orders-in-Council re "The Department of Education
Act." (Sessional Papers No. 55.)
Bulletin of the Ontario Hospitals for the Insane. (Sessional Papers No.
56.)
Regulations respecting Rondeau Provincial Park. (Sessional Papers No.
57.)
Return re Municipalities which were favoured for an Electric Railway.
(Sessional Papers No. 62.)
George V. 14th April. 241
Minutes of the Proceedings in Conference of the Representatives of the
Province. (Sessional Papers No. 67.)
Copy of the Revised Rules, Orders and Forms of the Division Courta.
(Sessional Papers No. 71.)
Report on the Construction of Roads in Northern Ontario. (Sessional
Papers No. 73.)
Report of the Public Roads and Highways Commission. (Sessional
Papers No. 84.)
The Committee recommend that five thousand copies of " Social Laws of
Ontario" (condensed), be printed for general distribution.
Your Committee recommend that the following Documents be not printed :
Return re Floods on the Grand River. (Sessional Papers No. 58.)
Return re prosecution of Chief of Police Goodman of New Liskeard.
(Sessional Papers No. 59.)
Return re explanation of amounts advanced to iST. B. Colcock. (Sessional
Papers No. 60.)
Copy of an Order-in-Council re Surrogate Court Fees paid to Judges.
(Sessional Papers No. 61.)
Copies of Orders-in-Council re The Consolidated Revenue Fund of On-
tario. (Sessional Papers No. 63.)
Return re Securities sold by the Province, date of sales, etc. (Sessional
Papers No. U.)
Return ?*e Timber Limits sold by the Government during the last year.
(Sessional Papers No. 65.)
Return re License of William Smuck of Bayham, cancelling of same, etc.
(Sessional Papers No. 66.)
Return re Taylor, Scott & Co. contract with Central Prison. (Sessional
Papers No. 68.)
Return re License Holders in City of Toronto during year 1908-9. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 69.)
16-JOUK.
242 14th April. • 1914
Eeturn re Power rights of east branch of the Winnipeg River. {Ses-
sional Papers No. 70.)
Return re Coal Tender for Government Institutions during 1910-13.
(Sessional Papers No. 74.)
Return re BiiilHings erected by the Province at the Prison Farm at
(ruelph. (Sessional Papers No. 75.)
Return re Attitude of officials of Government to the Canada Temperance
Act. (Sessional Papers No. 76.)
Return re Grants made to the rural public schools of Ontario in 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 77.)
Return re estimated cost of heating plant for Toronto University. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 78.)
Return re sums of money paid to Sir William Meredith in addition to
his salary as Chief Justice. (Sessional Papers No. 80.)
Return re deficit in the financial operations of the Provincial University
during the years 1912 and 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 81.)
Return re evidence of Mr. Taylor, of Taylor, Scott & Co., given before
the Dominion Penitentiary Investigation Commission. (Sessional Papers No,
83.)
Your Committee recommend that the following publications be purchased
for distribution to the Members of the Legislative Assembly: —
125 copies ''Five Thoiisand Facts About Canada," at 25 cents each.
115 copies " The Canadian Annual Review for 1913," at $3.00 each.
110 copies "Lunenburg or the Old Eastern District," at $1.00 each copy.
110 copies "William Adolphns Turnpike." at $1.00 each.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 178), intituled " The District Representation Act." Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow,
George Y. llxii Apkil. 243
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by ^Er. Hearst,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider certain proposed Resolutions respecting the Corpora-
tions' Tax Act.
Mr. Foj acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions recom-
mends them to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That in lieu of the Taxes imposed upon certain companies by
the Corporations' Tax Act, every company, not including a municipal corpora-
tion, which transacts business in Ontario, whether under its own name or
through an agent or otherwise, shall annually pay to His Majesty for the uses
of Ontario the taxes hereinafter set forth at the time and in the manner pro-
vided bv the said Act.
Baxks.
Every bank shall pay, —
(a) a tax of one-fifth of one per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof up to
$G. 000, 000 and in addition thereto $50 for every $100,000 or
fraction thereof of the paid-up capital in excess of $6,000,000 ;
(&) an additional tax of $500 for the head office in Ontario and $50 for
each additional office, branch or agency in Ontario;
(c) where the head office or principal place of business of a bank is out
of Ontario and it has not more than five agencies or branch offices
within Ontario, the Lieutenant-Governor in Council having regard
to the amount of business transacted thereby in the Province may
reduce the amount of the tax thereof, which shall in no case, how-
ever, be less than one-fifth of one per cent, upon one-half of the
paid-up capital.
244 14x11 Apiul. 191-1:
IxsuRANCE Companies.
(a) Every life insurance company shall pay a tax of one and three-
quarters per cent., and every other insurance company of one
jier cent, calculated on the gross premiums received hy the com-
pany in respect of the business transacted in Ontario.
(6) In the case of mutual fire insurance companies which receive premi-
ums in cash the tax shall be calculated on the gross premiums
received in cash in respect of the insurance transacted on the cash
plan in Ontario.
(c) In the case of reinsurance by an insurance company the company
reinsured shall be exempt from the tax imposed on the portion of
the premium paid to the reinsuring company, but the reinsuring
company shall be liable for the tax in respect thereof as part of its
gross premiums. ^Yhere the reinsuring company does not transact
business in Ontario and has no principal or head office therein, the
company reinsured shall retain in its hands so much of the pre-
mium for reinsurance as is equivalent to the tax imposed in respect
of such premium, and shall be liable for the tax and for the pay-
ment thereof to the Treasurer.
{d) Where any country or any state of any country imposes a tax or
license fee which has the effect of discriminating against insurance
companies or against any classes of insurance companies organized
under the laws of Canada or of Ontario, and having their principal
offices in Ontario, and of imposing a tax or license fee higher or
greater than the tax or license fee which home companies in such
state or country are required to pay, the Lieutenant-Governor in
Council may direct that any insurance company which is organized
in or under the laws of any such country or state, or has its head
or principal ofiice therein, and which transacts insurance business
in Ontario, shall pay in addition to the tax imposed by clauses (a)
and (h) of this subsection, a tax calculated on the gross premiums
received by the company or in respect of the business transacted
in Ontario during the preceding year, but so that such increase
shall not exceed the equivalent of the extra tax or license fee or
both imposed in such country or state.
(e) In estimating the amount of the tax payable under this Act by an
insurance company every premium which
i. is by the terms of the policy or a renewal thereof or otherwise
payable in Ontario; or
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ii. is paid in Ontario; or
iii. is payable upon or in respect of a risk undertaken in Ontario ; or
iv. is payable in respect of insurance of a person or property resi-
dent or situate in Ontario at the time of payment whether
such premium is earned wholly or partly in Ontario or else-
where and whether the business is transacted in respect of such
policy or the payment of such premium is made wholly or
partly within Ontario or elsewhere, shall be deemed to be a
premium in respect of business transacted in Ontario.
(/) The chief agent in Ontario, under the Ontario Insurance Act, or an
extra-provincial insurance company, and every other insurance
company, shall keep a separate book or set of books in which shall
be entered the premiums mentioned in clause (e) of this subsection,
and all other income of the company in respect of business trans-
acted in Ontario, and in default the company shall incur a penalty
equal, in the case of a life insurance company, to one per cent., and
in the case of every other insurance company, to two-thirds of one
per cent., on the total gross premiums and other gross income of the
company.
Loan Companies.
Every loan company shall pay a tax as follows: —
(a) A company with fixed or permanent paid-up capital, one-eighth of one
per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof, but in no case less than
$100;
(b) A company having terminating or withdrawable capital, as well as
fixed or permanent capital, one-eighth of one per cent, on such paid-
up terminating or withdrawable capital after the first $100,000,
in addition to the amount payable under clause (a) ;
(c) A company having terminating or withdrawable capital, only one-
eighth of one per cent, of such paid-up terminating or withdrawable
capital after the first $100,000.
Trust Companies.
Every trust company shall pay a tax of one-quarter of one per cent, on
the paid-up capital thereof up to $100,000 and $100 on every additional $100,-
000 or fraction thereof of paid-up capital, and in addition thereto a tax of one
per cent, calculated on the gross annual income of the company on business
transacted within Ontario.
246 14th April. 1914
Railways.
Every company owning, operating or using a railway shall pay a rax
of $00 per mile for one track and, where the line consists of two or more tracks
of $40 per mile for each additional track, owned, operated or used in any or-
ganized municipality; and of $40 per mile for one track, and, where the line
consists of two or more tracks, of $20 per mile for each additional track, in terri-
tory without municipal organization ; provided that a company owning, operat-
ing or using a railway which, either by itself or in conjunction with any other
railway leased by it or to which it is leased or with which it is amalgamated
or together with which it forms one system does not exceed 150 miles in length
from terminus to terminus, shall in lieu of the said tax pay a tax of $15 per mile
for one track and, where the line consists of two or more tracks, of $5 per mile
for each additional track and where the railway or system does not exceed 30
miles in length from terminus to terminus a tax of $10 per mile for one track
and $5 per mile for each additional track.
(a) Both the company owning the railway and the company operating or
using it shall be jointly and severally liable for the payment of the
amount of the tax to the Treasurer, but the total amount payable
in respect of any railway shall not exceed the amounts above re-
spectively mentioned, notwithstanding that the • railway is owned,
operated or used by more than one company;
(fc) The measurement of track for the purposes of this subsection shall
not include switches, spurs or sidings.
Every such company shall pay in addition a tax calculated at one-half
of one per cent, on the gross earnings of the railway within Ontario to be deter-
mined in case of a railway owning, operating or using a part of its line outside
of Ontario by the proportion of the mileage within Ontario to the whole of the
mileage in Canada.
(a) Section 23 shall not apply to a tax imposed by this subsection.
Street Railways.
Every company owning, operating or using a street railway or part there-
of in a city for the carriage of passengers shall pay for each mile of track
within the city a tax of
(a) $20, when such mileage does not exceed twenty miles;
(b) $35, when such mileage exceeds twenty miles, but does not exceed
thirty miles;
George V. 14ti[ April. 247
(c) $45, when such mileage exceeds thirty miles, but does not exceed fifty
miles ;
(d) $60, when such mileage exceeds fifty miles.
The mileage shall be computed on the single track, each mile of double
track to be counted as two miles of single track; but in computing mileage,
switches, sidings, tracks into car-stables or car sheds, Y's, and curves, or any
portion of track not in general use for passenger trafiic shall not be counted.
Every such company shall pay in addition a tax calculated at one-half
of one per cent, of the gross earnings of the railway in the city within Ontario
to be determined in case of a company owning, operating or using part of its
line in another municipality by the proportion of the mileage in the city to the
whole of the mileage owned, operated or used by the company.
Telegraph Companies.
Every company owning, operating or using a line or a part of a line
of telegraph within Ontario for gain shall pay a tax of one-fifth of one per cent.
upon the total amount of money invested by the company on such line or part
thereof or the works and plant connected therewith. Provided that a company
owning and a company operating or using any such line or part thereof shall be
jointly and severally liable for the payment of the said tax, but the total amount
payable in respect of any such line or part of line shall not exceed the amount
above mentioned notwithstanding that the line or part thereof is owned, operated
or used by more than one company.
Telephone Companies.
Every company owning, operating or using a telephone line or part there-
of in Ontario for gain shall pay a tax of one-quarter of .one per cent, upon
the paid-up capital thereof, provided the amount thereof shall not be less than
$50 and not otherwise.
Gas and Electric Companies.
Every gas company and every electric company or company supplying
or dealing in light or power by gas or electricity in a city shall pay a tax of
one-tenth of one per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof, and every gas com-
pany and every electric company or company supplying or dealing in light or
power by gas or electricity shall pay a tax of one per cent, calculated on the net
revenue of the company earned within Ontario, but this shall not apply to any
gas or electric works owned and operated by a municipal corporation.
248 14th April. 1914
Express Companies.
Every express company operating over a railway in Ontario shall pay
a tax of $1,000 for each one hundred miles or fraction thereof.
Cak Companies.
Every c-ompany transacting business in Ontario, by leasing or hiring
sleeping, parlour, dining, refrigerator, oil or fruit cars run upon or are used by
any railway company within Ontario, shall pay a tax of one-half of one per cent.
upon the money invested in such cars so in use in Ontario.
Kace Track Meetings.
Every incorporated company, association or club owning or operating
or using a race track and holding a race meeting, shall pay in advance before
such race meeting a license fee of $500 for each day of such meeting, and in
default of such payment the Provincial Police may under instructions from the
Treasurer stop all racing upop such track until the said tax is paid.
(a) In this subsection the word '' race meeting " shall mean a series of
trotting, pacing, running, or mixed trotting, pacing, or running
races for horses, held for not less than five nor more than seven
days within any period of fourteen consecutive days, or if held less
than five days where the n-umber of running races exceeds one in
each day.
Every incorporated company, association or club owning, operating or
using a driving, running or trotting track, and holding a race meeting, shall
pay in advance before such meeting a license fee of $10 for each day on which
such meeting continues, and in default of such payment the Provincial Police
may, under instructions from the Treasurer, stop all racing on said tracks
until such 'tax is paid.
(a) In this subsection the word " race meeting " shall mean a series of
trotting and pacing, or mixed trotting, pacing and running races
for horses which continue for not more than four days in a period
of not more than ten consecutive days, and where the number of
running races shall not exceed one in each day.
On receiving the license fee referred to in subsections- 14 and 15 the
Treasurer may issue a license imposing such restrictions and subject to such
conditions as the Lieutenant-Governor in Council may by regulation determine
and every such incorporated company, association or club which violates such
restrictions and conditions or any of them, shall be liable to have all racing
forthwith stopped upon its track by the Provincial Police acting under instruc-
tions from the Treasurer.
George V. 14tii April. 249
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Torrance reported, That the
Committee had come to certain Resolutions.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Torrance reported the Resolutions as follows: —
Resolved, That in lieu of the Taxes imposed upon certain companies by
the Corporations' Tax Act, every company, not including a municipal corpora-
tion, which transacts business in Ontario, whether under its own name or
through an agent or otherwise, shall annually pay to His Majesty for the uses
of Ontario the taxes hereinafter set forth at the time and in the manner pro-
vided by the said Act.
Banks.
Every bank shall pay, —
(a) a tax of one-fifth of one per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof up to
$6,000,000 and in addition thereto $50 for every $100,000 or
fraction thereof of the paid-up capital in excess of $6,000,000;
(&) an additional tax of $500 for the head office in Ontario and $50 for
each additional office, branch or agency in Ontario ;
(c) where the head office or principal place of business of a bank is out
of Ontario and it has not more than five agencies or branch offices
within Ontario, the Lieutenant-Governor in Council having regard
to the amount of business transacted thereby in the Province may
reduce the amount of the tax thereof, which shall in no case, how-
ever, be less than one-fifth of one per cent, upon one-half of the
paid-up capital.
Insurance Companies.
(a) Every life insurance company shall pay a tax of one and three-
quarters per cent., and every other insurance company of one
per cent, calculated on the gross premiums received by the com-
pany in respect of the business transacted in Ontario.
(&) In the case of mutual fire insurance companies which receive premi-
ums in cash the tax ghall be calculated on the gross premiums
received in cash in respect of the insurance transacted on the cash
plan in Ontario.
250 14th April. 1914
(c) In the case of reinsurance by an insurance company the company
reinsured shall be exempt from the tax imposed on the portion of
the premium paid to the reinsuring company, but the reinsuring
company shall be liable for the tax in respect thereof as part of its
gross premiums. Where the reins\iring company does not transact
business in Ontario and has no principal or head office therein, the
company reinsured shall retain in its hands so much of the pre-
mium for reinsurance as is equivalent to the tax imposed in respect
of such premium, and shall be liable for the tax and for the pay-
ment thereof to the Treasurer.
(d) ^^liere any country or any state of any country imposes a tax or
license fee which has the effect of discriminating against insurance
companies or against any classes of insurance companies organized
under the laws of Canada or of Ontario, and having their principal
offices in Ontario, and of imposing a tax or license fee higher or
greater than the tax or license fee which home companies in such
state or country are required to pay, the Lieutenant-Governor in
Council may direct that any insurance company which is organized
in or under the laws of any such country or state, or has its head
or principal office therein, and which transacts insurance business
in Ontario, shall pay in addition to the tax imposed by clauses (a)
and (6) of this subsection, a tax calculated on the gross premiums
received by the company or in respect of the business transacted
In Ontario during the preceding year, but so that such increase
shall not exceed the equivalent of the extra tax or license fee or
both imposed in such country or state.
(e) In estimating the amount of the tax payable under this Act by an
insurance company every premium which
i. is by the terms of the policy or a renewal thereof or otherwise
payable in Ontario; or
ii. is paid in Ontario; or
iii. is payable upon or in respect of a risk undertaken in Ontario ; or
iv. is payable in respect of insurance of a person or property resi-
dent or situate in Ontario at the time of payment whether
such premium is earned wholly or partly in Ontario or else-
where and whether the business is transacted in respect of such
policy or the payment of such premium is made wholly or
partly within Ontario or elsewhere, shall be deemed to be a
premium in respect of business transacted in Ontario.
George V. ♦ 14th April. 251
(/) The chief agent in Ontario, under the iDntario Insurance Act, or an
extra-provincial insurance company, and every other insurance
company, shall keep a separate book or set of books in which shall
be entered the premiums mentioned in clause (e) of this subsection,
and all other income of the company in respect of business trans-
acted in Ontario, and in default the company shall incur a penalty
equal, in the case of a life insurance company, to one per cent., and
in the case of every other insurance company, to two-thirds of one
•per cent., on the total gross premiums and other gross income of the
company.
LoAx Companies.
Every loan company shall pay a tax as follows : —
(a) A company with fixed or permanent paid-up capital, one-eighth of one
per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof, but in no case less than
$100;
(6) A company having terminating or withdrawable capital, as well as
fixed or permanent capital, one-eighth of one per cent, on such paid-
up terminating or withdrawable capital after the first $100,000,
in addition to the amount payable under clause (a) ;
(c) A company having terminating or withdrawable capital, only one-
eighth of one per cent, of such paid-up terminating or withdrawable
capital after the first $100,000.
. Trust Companies.
Every trust company shall pay a tax of one-quarter of one per cent, on
the paid-up capital thereof up to $100,000 and $100 on every additional $100,-
000 or fraction thereof of paid-up capital, and in addition thereto a tax of one
per cent, calculated on the gross annual income of the company on business
transacted within Ontario.
Railways.
Every company owning, operating or using a railway shall pay a tax
of $60 per mile for one track and, where the line consists of two or more tracks,
of $40 per mile for each additional track, owned, operated or nsed in any or-
ganized municipality; and of $40 per mile for one track, and, where the line
consists of two or more tracks, of $20 per mile for each additional track, in terri-
tory without municipal organization ; provided that a company owning, operat-
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inff or using a railway whicK cither by itself or in conjunction with any other
railway leased by it or to which it is leased or with which it is amalgamated
or together with which it forms one system does not exceed 150 miles in length
from terminus to terminus, shall in lien of the said tax pay a tax of $15 per mile
for one track and, where the line consists of two or more tracks, of $5 per mile
for each additional track and where the railwa}^ or system does not exceed 30
miles in length from terminus to terminus a tax of $10 per mile for one track
and $5 per mile for each additional track.
(a) Both the company owning the railway and the company operating or
using it shall be jointly and seyerally liable for the payment of the
amount of the tax to the Treasurer, but the total amount payable
in respect of any railway shall not exceed the amounts aboye re-
spectiyely mentioned, notwithstanding that the railway is owned,
operated or used by more than one company;
(&) The measurement of track for the purposes of this subsection shall
not include switches, spurs or sidings.
Eyery such company shall pay in addition a tax calculated at .one-half
of one per cent, on the gross earnings of the railway within Ontario to be deter-
mined in case of a railway owning, operating or using a part of its line outside
of Ontario by the proportion of the mileage within Ontario to the whole of the
mileage in Canada.
(a) Section 23 shall not apply to a tax imposed by this subsection.
Street Railways.
Eyery company owning, operating or using a street railway or part there-
of in a city for the carriage of passengers shall pay for each mile of track
within the city a tax of
(a) $20, when such mileage does not exceed twenty miles;
(&) $35. when such mileage exceeds twenty miles, but does not exceed
thirty miles;
(c) $45, when such mileage exceeds thirty miles, but does not exceed fifty
miles;
(d) $60, when such mileage exceeds fifty miles.
The mileage shall be computed on the single track, each mile of double
track to be counted as two miles of single track; but in computing mileage,
George V. 14tii April. 253
switches, sidings, tracks into car-stables or car sheds, Y's, and curves, or any
portion of track not in general use for passenger traffic shall not be counted.
Every such company shall pay in addition a tax calculated at one-half
of one per cent of the gross earnings of the railway in the city within Ontario
to be determined in case of a company owning, operating or using part of its
line in another municipality by the proportion of the mileage in the city to the
whole of the mileage owned, operated or used by the company.
Telegraph Companies.
Every company owning, operating or using a line or a part of a line
of telegraph within Ontario for gain shall pay a tax of one-fifth of one per cent.
upon the total amount of money invested by the company on such line or part
thereof or the works and plant connected therewith. Provided that a company
owning and a company operating or using any such line or part thereof shall be
jointly and severally liable for the payment of the said tax, but the total amount
payable in respect of any such line or part of line shall not exceed the amount
above mentioned notwithstanding that the line or part thereof is owned, operated
or used by more than one company.
Telephone Companies.
Every company owning, operating or using a telephone line or part there-
of in Ontario for gain shall pay a tax of one-quarter of one per cent, upon
the paid-up capital thereof, provided the amount thereof shall not be less than
$50 and not otherwise.
Gas and Electric Companies.
Every gas company and every electric company or company supplying
or dealing in light or power by gas or electricity in a city shall pay a tax of
one-tenth of one per cent, on the paid-up capital thereof, and every gas com-
pany and every electric company or company supplying or dealing in light or
power by gas or electricity shall pay a tax of one per cent, calculated on the net
revenue of the company earned within Ontario, but this shall not apply to any
gas or electric works owned and operated by a municipal corporation.
Express Companies.
Every express company operating over a railway in Ontario shall pay
a tax of $1,000 for each one hundred miles or fraction thereof.
254 14th April. 1914
Car Companies.
Every company transacting business in Ontario, by leasing or hiring
sleeping, parlour, dining, refrigerator, oil or fruit cars run upon or are used by
any railway company -vvithin Ontario, shall pay a tax of one-half of one per cent.
upon the money invested in such cars so in use in Ontario.
Race Track Meetings,
Every incorporated company, association or club owning or operating
or using a race track and holding a race meeting, shall pay in advance before
such race meeting a license fee of $500 for each day of such meeting, and in
default of such j^aynient the Provincial Police may under instructions from the
Treasurer stop all racing upon such track until the said tax is paid.
(a) In this subsection the word " race meeting " shall mean a series of
trotting, pacing, running, or mixed trotting pacing, or running
races for horses, held for not less than five nor more than seven
days within any period of fourteen consecutive days, or if held less
than five days where the number of running races exceeds one in
each day.
Every incorporated company, association or club owning, operating or
using a driving, running or trotting track, and holding a race meeting, shall
pay in advance before such meeting a license fee of $10 for each day on which
such meeting continues, and in default of such payment the Provincial Police
may, under instructions from the Treasurer, stop all racing on said tracks
until such tax is paid.
(a) In this subsection the word " race meeting " shall mean a series of
trotting and pacing, or mixed trotting, pacing and running races
for horses which continue for not more than four days in a period
of not more than ten consecutive days, and where the number of
running races shall not exceed one in each day.
On receiving the license fee referred to in subsections 14 and 15 the
Treasurer may issue a license imposing such restrictions and subject to such
conditions as the Lieutenant-Governor in Council may by regulation determine
and every such incorporated company, association or club which violates such
restrictions and conditions or any of them, shall be liable to have all racing
forthwith stopped upon its track by the Provincial Police acting under instruc-
tions from the Treasurer.
Oeorge V. 14tii April. 255
The Resolutions having been read the second time, were agreed to, and
referrefl to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (Xo. 169), To amend
the Corporations' Tax Act.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the AVhole to consider certain proposed Resolutions respecting Fees payable
under the Insurance Act.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions recom-
mends them to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the fee payable in respect of each certificate of authority
to an Insurance Agent under the Ontario Insurance Act shall be $5.00, and
that the fee to be paid to the Superintendent of Insurance by the applicant for
an adjuster's certificate under the said Act shall be $25.00, and if the applicant
be a Corporation, Partnership or Association, such fee shall be paid for each
person specified in the certificate.
That the fee for incorporation of a Mutual Fire Insurance Company shall
be $25,00 and that certificates of registry either original or renewed under
Section 99 (c) shall be $100.00.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Torrance reported. That the
Committee had come to certain Resolutions.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. Torrance reported the Resolutions as follows : —
Resolved, That the fee payable in respect of each certificate of authority
to an Insurance Agent under the Ontario Insurance Act shall be $5.00. and
that the fee to be paid to the Superintendent of Insurance by the applicant for
256 14th Apkil. 1914
an adjuster's certificate under the said Act shall be $25.00, and if the applicant
be a Corporation, Partnership or Association, such fee shall be paid for each
person specified in the certificate.
That the fee for incorporation of a ^iiitual Fire Insurance Company shall
be $25.00 and that certificates of registry either original or renewed under
Section 99 (c) shall be $100.00.
The Resolutions having then been read the second time, were agreed to,
and referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (No. 160), To
amend the Ontario Insurance Act.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (:N'o. 169), To amend the Corporation Tax Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 21), Respecting the Town of Cochrane.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill ('S'o. 52), To incorporate the City of Sarnia.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 113), Respecting the Village of Mimico.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (So. 99), To confirm By-law ^^o. 387 of the County of Halton.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill rXo. 57), To consolidate the Debenture Debt of the City of Stratford.
Referred to a Committee of the WTiole House To-morrow.
Bin rXo. 161). Respecting Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
George V. 14th Apeil. 257
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Bill (Xo. 12), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 35), Respecting the Township of York.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 32), Respecting the Orphan's Home of the City of Ottawa.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 47), Respecting the Town of Collingwood.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 45), Respecting the City of Toronto.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 93), To incorporate the Town of Bala.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Mr. Richardson asked the following Question : —
What is the estimated cost of the completion of the Statute Revision
Commission's work including the estimated cost of printing.
And the Attorney-General replied in the words and figures following: —
About $34,000 or $35,000, including cost of printing and binding.
Mr. Rowell moved, seconded by ]\Ir. Clarke,
That in the opinion of this House the public interests demand: — (1) The
immediate abolition of the Bar, including therein the abolition of all hotel and
club licenses and therewith the treating system; (2) Such other restrictions
upon the residue of the Liquor Trafiic as experience may show to be necessary
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258 14th Apeil. 1914
to limit its operations and effective to remedy its evils, Local Option to be
maintained as a means of wiping out the residue of the retail sale, where the
electors so decide; (3) The strict enforcement of the law by officials in sym-
pathy with law enforcement, and the elimination of political influence from the
administration of the law; (4) Regulation and inspection of all houses of pub-
lic entertainment so as to ensure reasonable accommodation for the travelling
public.
Mr. Hanna moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Reaume,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word "That" be struck
out and the following substituted therefor: "this House fully recognizes the
duty cast upon it to minimize, as far as ])ossible, the evil effects of the drink
habit by wise restrictions upon the traffic in intoxicating liquors. This House
also recognizes that, having regard to the decisions of the Judicial Committee
of the Privy Council as to the respective jurisdictions of the Dominion and
the Provinces, it is impossible for the people of the Province through the
Legislature to abolish, or control the manufacture within, or the importation
into, the Province of intoxicating liquors ; that great good has resulted from
the adoption and operation of Local Option under the provisions of Provincial
Legislation in that behalf by which, in the localities adopting it, the sale of
intoxicating liquors both in bars and shops is abolished ; that to forbid the
sale of such liquors in bars while permitting such sales in shops would be
disastrous in the extreme and would increase the evils resulting from the
traffic and habit ; that this House re-affirms its belief as to the evil effects of
the treating habit, which should be put an end to, if possible, by means of legis-
lation, or by other satisfactory action." '
^Ir. Grigg moved in Amendment to the Amendment, seconded by Mr.
Hartt,
That the following words be added to the Amendment: — " This House
desires to put on record its appreciation of the good work done by the present
Government and the Province during the past nine years by the earnest, faith-
ful and non-partizan administration of the Liquor License Law and the desir-
able and effective improvements which have been added thereto, and this House
deprecates the attempts which have been made and are being made by inter-
ested persons to bring what has been called the ' Temperance Question ' into
the arena of party politics."
And a Debate having arisen.
And the House haviu"' continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock niidnii>ht»
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259
The Debate continued,
And after some time,
Wednesday, 15th April, 1914.
The Amendment to the Amendment, having been put, was carried on the
following Division : —
Yeas.
Anderson
(Essex)
13ennewies
Black
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Chambers
Cook
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duif
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Messieurs
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Fraser
(ralna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Henry
-Tamieson
Jar vis
Lncas
McFarlan
McGarry
MeXaught
AFePherson
.Mac Arthur
Afacdiarmid
Mason
.\rathieu
Milligan
Mills
Xesbitt
Xorman
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Nats.
Messieurs :
Clarke
Elliott
]\rcCormick
]\rcDonald
^farshall
^fayberry
^[unro
Prondfoot
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance — 57,
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholrae — 15.
Pairs.
Lennox Fergiison (Tvent.)
Dunlop McQueen.
Machin Mageau.
Champagne Kohler.
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1914
The Amendment, as amended, having been then put, was carried on the
following Division: —
Anderson
(Essex)
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
B rower
Carscallen
Chambers
Cook
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Yeas.
Messieurs ;
Ferguson
(GrenvlUe)
Foy
Fraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Henry
.Tamieson
Tarvis
Lucas
T^fcFarlan
^IcGarry
McXaught
^IcPherson
T^facArthur
Macdiarmid
Mason
Mathieu
]\[illigan
Mills
Xesbitt
Xorman
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
Preston
(Durham)
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance — 57.
Nays.
Messieurs:
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Elliott
McCormick
^IcDonald
^larshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proudfoot
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 15.
Paibs.
Lennox , Ferguson fKout.)
Dunlop McQueen.
Machin Mageau.
Champagne Kohlor.
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261
The Main Motion, as aniendecL having been then put, was earned on the
iollowiiisj Division: —
Yeas.
Anderson ■
(Essex)
Bennewies
mack
]jrewster
Brower
Carscallen
Chambers
Cook
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Messieurs ;
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Fraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Henry
•Tamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
McFarlan
AFcGarry
McXaught
^fePherson
^[acArthur
Macdiarmid
Mason
^^fathieu
Arilligan
Mills
Xesbitt
Xorman
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
Preston
(Durham)
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance — 57.
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Nay:
Messieurs ;
Clarke
Elliott
^IcCormick
McDonald
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proudfoot
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 15.
Pairs.
Teniiox Ferg-uson (Kent.)
Diinlop McQueen.
Machin Ma^eau.
Champagne Kohler.
And it was, . •
2U2 14TI1 April. 1914
Resolvnd, That this House fivll.v recognizes the duty cast upon it to mini-
mize, as far as possihle. the evil effects of the drink habit by wise restrictions
upon the traffic in intoxicatinjr liquors.
This House also recognizes that, having regard to the decisions of the Judi-
cial Committee of the Privy Council as to the respective jurisdictions of the
Dominion and the Provinces, it is impossible for the people of the Province
through the Legislature to abolish, or control the manufacture within, or the
importation into the Province of intoxicating liquors ; that great good has re-
snlted from the adoption and operation of Local Option under the provisions of
Pro\iiicial Legislation in that behalf by which, in the localities adopting it.
the sale of intoxicating liquors both in bars and shops is abolished ; that to for-
bid the sale of such liquors in bars while permitting such sales in shops would
be disastrous in the extreme and would increase the evils resulting from the
traffic and habit ; that this House re-affirms its belief as to the evil effects of the
treating habit, which should be put an end to, if possible, by means of legisla-
tion, or by other satisfactory action.
That this House desires to put on record its appreciation of the good work
done by the present Government and the Province during the past nine years
by the earnest, faithful and non-partizan administration of the Liquor License
Law and the desirable and effective improvements which have been added there-
to, and this House deprecates the attempts which have been made and are being
made by interested persons to bring what has been called the ''Temperance
Question" into the arena of party politics.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities, on Hospitals
and Charities, for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers, Ko. 25.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 8th April, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. The number of convictions for intoxication in Local
Option Municipalities. 2. Convictions for other offences against Local Option
Law during the license year 1912-13. (SrssionaJ Papers No. 89.)
The House then adjourned at 1.00 a.m.
George V. ISth April. 263
Wednesday, April 15th, 1914.
Prayers. . 3 O'Clock P.M.
^fr. Speaker informed the House,
That the Clerk had received from the Railway and Municipal Board their
Report in the following case : —
Bill (No. 48), Respecting the Town of Aylmer.
The Report was then read by the Clerk, at the Table, as follows: —
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario: —
Upon the reference under Rule 61 (a) of Your Honourable House to the
Ontario Railway and Municipal Board of Bill (No. 48), intituled An Act
respecting the Town of Aylmer, the Board begs leave respectfully to report that
in the judgment of the Board it is reasonable that the said Bill should be passed
by Your Honourable House.
All which is respectfully submitted.
D. M. McIntyre^
Chairman.
A. B. Ingram^
Vice-Chairman.
H. N. Kittson,
Commissioner.
Dated at Toronto the 14th day of April, 1914.
Ordered, That Bill (No. 48), Respecting the Town of Aylmer, be referred
to the Committee on Private Bills, with instructions to consider the same with
reference to the suggestions of the Railway and Municipal Board thereon.
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented their
Ninth Report, which, was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendment: —
Bill (No. 97), An Act respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
Bill (No. 49), An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Village of Weston.
264 15th April. * 1914
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Bill (No. 173), An Act respecting the Town of Oakville.
Bill (No. 96), An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Orillia.
Bill (No. 134), An Act respecting the Town of Pembroke.
Bill (No. 170), An Act respecting the City of Toronto.
Bill (No. 95), An Act respecting the City of Giielph.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills \tith certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (No. 94), An Act respecting the Town of Bowmanville.
Bill (No. 43), An Act respecting the Town of Cornwall and McGill Chairs,
Limited.
Bill (No. 64), An Act respecting the City of Ottawa.
Bill (No. 44), An Act respecting the City of Brantford.
Bill (No. 56), An Act respecting the Town of Wallacebiirg.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bill (No. 97), An Act respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto,
on the ground that the same is one relating to a Religious Institution.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on Bill
(No. 97), St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
On Motion of Mr. Morel, seconded by Mr. Vrooman,
. . " '"1
Resolved, That notwithstanding the time for presenting Petitions for
Private Bills has elapsed, leave be given to present a Petition of the Town
Council of North Bay relating to By-law No. 339.
The following Petition was then read and received : —
Of the Town Council of North Bay, praying that an Act may pass to ratify
and confirm By-law No. 339.
George V. 15tii April. 265
On Motion of Mr. ^lorel, secondcMl l).v ^Ir. Vroonian.
Resolved, That the Rules of the House be suspended, and that without
reference to any Report from the Committee on Standing Orders, leave be
given to introduce a Bill respecting the Town of North Bay, and that the same
be read a first time and do stand referred to the Committee on Private Bills
without the formality of posting as required by the Rule in that case made and
provided.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 179), intituled "An Act to confirm By-law No. 339 of the Town
of North Bay." Mr. Morel.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time : —
Bill (No. 180), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Stallions Act."
Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 181), intituled "An Act to amend the Election Laws." Mr.
Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill l>e read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 182) intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Insurance Act,
R.S.O., 1914." Mr. Foy.
Ordered, That the Bill be read- the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 183), intituled "An Act to amend the Territorial Division Act."
Mr. Hearst.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 184), intituled "An Act for the protection of Pure Bred Cattle.''
Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
266 15th April. 1914
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the fol-
lowing Bills : —
lUll (No. 62), To incorporate the Village of St. Clair Beach.
Bill (Xo. 69), To validate and confirm certain By-laws of the Town of
Brampton.
Bill (No. 31), Respecting the Municipality of Shuniah.
Bill (No. 13), Respecting the City of Fort William.
Bill (No. 34), Respecting the City of Port Arthur.
Bill (No. 58), Respecting the City of Peterborough.
Bill (No. 21), Respecting the Town of Cochrane.
Bill (No. 52), To incorporate the City of Sarnia.
Bill (No. 113), Respecting the Village of Mimico.
Bill (No. 99), To confirm By-law No. 387 of the County of Halton.
Bill (No. 57), To consolidate the Debenture Debt of the City of Stratford.
Bill (No. 161), Respecting Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited.
Bill (No. 12), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Gamey reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the several Bills without amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
107), To provide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and
Industrial Diseases contracted in the course of their employment, and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown
reported. That the Committee had made some progress, and directed him to ask
for leave to sit again.
George V. ir>rii AiMai.. 267
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 129),
To provide for the appointment of a Fire Marshal for the Province of Ontario,
and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr.
Macdiarmid reported, That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill
with certain Amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (N'o. 47),
Respecting the Town of Collingwood, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported. That the Committee had
directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow. •
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 174), To amend the Wages Act.
Referred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (Xo. 172), To amend the Provincial Loans Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 176), To amend the Tile Drainage Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second Reading of Bill (Xo. 168), To amend
the Local Improvement Act, having been read,
Ordered. That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
268 16th April. lOU
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 133),
To amend the Ontario Game and Fisheries Act, and, after some time spent
therein, Mr. Speaker resnmed the Chair: and Mr. Torrance reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the Rill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill he referred to a Committee of the Whole Honse on
Bill (Xo. 162), To amend the Game and Fisheries Act.
Mr. Hanna presented to the Honse, by command of His Honour the
Lientenant-Govemor : —
Report of the Minister of Lands. Forests and Mines, for the year 1913.
{Sessional Papers No. 3.)
Also — Report of the Commissioners for the Queen Victoria Niagara Falls
Park for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 9.)
>
Also — Report of the Secretary and Registrar of the Province for the year
1913. (Sessional Papers No. 19.)
Also — Report on Neglected and Dependent Children, for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 27.)
Also — Report of the Archivist for the vear 1913. (Sessional Papers No.
51.)
The House then adjourned at 6.05 p.m.
Thursday, April lOrh. 1914.
Pkayers. • 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petition was read and received : —
Of the City Council of St. Catharines, respecting an economical and
efficient administration of Municipal affairs.
Mr. Hendrie from the Standing Committee on Railways presented their
Fifth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills and have
prepared certain amendments thereto respectively: —
George V. 16tii April. 269
Bill (Xo. 63), Respecting the Ontario West Shore Railway Company.
Bill (Xio. 55), Respecting the Xiagara Falls, Welland and Dunnville
Electric Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 109), Respecting the Morrisburg and Ottawa Electric Rail-
way Company.
Your Committee have also amended the Preamble to the said Bills so as
to make the same conform with the facts as they appear to your Committee.
Your Committee recommend that Rule Xo. 51 of Your Honourable
House be further suspended in this that the time for receiving Reports on
Private Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Tuesday, the 21st
day of April instant.
Mr. Hanna from the Standing Committee on Private Bills presented
their Tenth Report, which was read as follows and adopted.
Your C-ommittee beg to report the following Bills without amendment :- -
Bill (Xo. 48), An Act to Consolidate the Floating Debt of the Town of
Aylmer.
Bill (Xo. 10), An Act to Authorize the Law Society of Upper Canada
to admit James George Guise-Bagley as a Student in his final year.
Your Committee recommend that notwithstanding Rule 51 of Your
Honourable House rhe time for receiving Reports from Committees on Private
Bills be extended to and inclusive of Tuesday, the twenty-first day of April
next.
Ordered, That the time for receiving Reports from Committees on Private
Bills be further extended until and inclusive of Tuesday, the twenty-first
day of April instant.
The following Bill was introduced, nemine contradicente , and read the
first time : —
Bill (Xo. 185), intituled "An Act to amend the Municipal Act, 1913."
Mr. Elliott.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
270 16th April. 1914
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 186), intituled "The Berlin and Waterloo High School Act."
Mr. Pjne.
Ordered, that the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Orders of the Day being called,
Mr. Lucas, rising in his place, drew the attention of the House to a
certain head line appearing in the Toronfo Globe in the matter of Statu-
tory Ajipropriations.
Mr. Bowman, in order to reply to what had been said, moved, seconded
by ]\rr. Elliott,
That the House do now adjourn.
And, after some time, the Motion having been submitted, and the Yeas
.ind Xavs called for, was declared to be lost.
The following Bills were severally read the second time : —
Bill (Xo. 1T5), Respecting certain Colonization Roads.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 178), The District Representation Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
^Ir, McDonald asked the following Question: —
1. Has the Government received any further information as to whether
the present License Inspector in Korth Essex a])plied to any of the License
Holders in the said District of Xorth Essex for a loan to himself personally;
and if so, to which of the License Holders he ajipliod. Tf so, what is the infor-
mation received by the Government. 2. Did the said License Inspector receive
a personal loan from any of the License Holders in the said electoral district
of iN'orth Essex; and if so, what was the date and amount of such loans. 3.
George V. 16th Apkil. 271
Who is the present License Inspector in iS'orth Essex, and what was the date
of his appointment.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
1. Yes. The Inspector states that he never applied for or borrowed
money for himself personally from hotel-keepers in North Essex, since he has
been Inspector or before. 2. Answered by No. 1. 3. Paul Morand. 29th
December, 1905.
Mr. Sinclair asked the following Question: —
1. Were lots 32 and 33 on the 14th concession of the Township of Laurier
in the District of Parry Sound ever granted, located or patented to anyone
under the Public Lands Act or any other Act. 2. If so, to whom were such
lots granted, located or patented, and when. 3, Did one Frank Evans ever
make application for a location, grant or patent for such lots, and if so, when.
4. If his application w^as refused, why was it refused. 5. Did the said Frank
Evans, to the Government's knowledge, enter into possession of the said lots or
make any improvements thereon. 6. If the said Frank Evans entered into
possession of the said lots and made improvements thereon, did the Government
eject him from possession; and if so, was he paid any compensation for the
improvements, if any, which he made. 7. Was an application made for the
said lots by the Trout Creek Lumber Company or any company subsequent to
the application therefor by the said Frank Evans, and if so, when. 8. Did the
said Trout Creek Lumber Company receive a grant, patent or location of the
said lots, and if so, what consideration was paid by it. 9. What was the
nature of the land on the said lots, and what uses, if any, are the present occu-
pants of the land to put it to.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words and
figures following: —
1. Yes, they were located under the Free Grants Act. 2. Lot 32 to Robert
Tindell, 30th July, 1887. Lot 33 to Edward Tindell, 6th August, 1887. 3.
Yes; applierl to be looaterl 18th January, 1913. 4. Not srranted because he
already holds 100 acres of Free Grant Land, and is not entitled to an addi-
tional 200 acres, anrl in consideration of other claims that were before the
Department. 5. Yes. He entered into possession without authority and after
being told that the Department was not prepared to locate the land to him.
6. He has not been ejected as the matter is .^ill pending. 7. No application
was made by the Trout Creek Lumber Company. An application was made
by the Algonquin Ranch Company dated the 21st of April. 1913. 8. No. 9.
The Algonquin Ranch Company wanted it for grazing purposes in connection
with their ranchina; scheme. Mr. Evans wants to locate it as a Free Grant.
272 16th April. 1914
On Motion of Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mr. McQueen,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. All
correspondence between the Department of Education and any officer or official
thereof and the Board of Trustees of the Almonte High School. 2. All corres-
pondence between the Department of Education and any officer or official there-
of and any of the teachers in the Almonte High School. 3. All correspondence
between the Department of Education and any officer or official thereof and
^liss Eade with reference to an application by her for a position in the Almonte
Hio;h School.
On Motion of Mr. Mayberry, seconded by Mr. McCormick,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. All
free passes issued or free transportation given (to other than Members of the
Commission, this Legislature or the Parliament of Canada) over the T. & N. O.
Railway from the 1st day of June, 1912, and October 31st, 1913, respectively,
with the names and addresses of the parties receiving such passes or other free
transportation, and the period covered by such passes or other authorization
for transportation.
On Motion of Mr. Atkinson, seconded by Mr. Mayberry,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — The
quantity of settlers' effects delivered over the T. & N. O. Railway at IS'ew
Liskeard and Cochrane, respectively, and carried as such under the regulations
of the said Railwav, for the financial year endins; October 31st, 1913.
Mr. Clarke moved, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
That in the opinion of this House the settlement and development of ISTew
Ontario is one of the largest and most important problems confronting the
Government of this Province; that good settlers are the most valuable assets
this Province can secure, and that it is the duty of the Government to devise
and carry out a comprehensive settlement and development policy, which, in
addition to the road construction now being undertaken, shall include: (1) A
more aggressive publicity campaign to make known the character and resources
of the newer parts of the Province; (2) An intelligent and vigorous immigra-
tion policy to secure the right kind of settlers; (3) Adequate transportation
and drainage facilities to promote settlement; (4) Improved conditions of
settlement.
George V. 16th April. 273
Mr. Grigg moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Garaey,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word "That" be struck
out and the following inserted in lieu thereof: —
*' this House views with profound satisfaction the judgment, energy and
economy with which the Government is carrying out the development of the
northern fertile parts of the Province as intended and provided for by 2 Geo.
V, cap. 2.
'* That this House is of opinion that the building of trunk and other roads
giving access to new areas, connecting important centres and providing new
markets, the drainage system carried on in the construction of roads and other-
wise under the Northern Development Branch of the Government, are well cal-
culated to aid in opening up the region in question, and are all steps in the
direction of making it an attractive field for those desirous of acquiring homes
in this Province.
'■ That this House commends and approves the efforts put forth by the
Government by the use of demonstration cars, the distribution of literature
upon this Continent and in Europe and the employment of competent agents
and in other ways to secure the best class of settlers possible for the newer
parts of the Province.
•
" That this House desires to record its satisfaction with the generous in-
terest manifested in various ways by the Government towards the oj^ening up
of the northern and newer parts of the Province such as the supplying of agri-
cultural representatives, the construction of colonization roads, bridges and
other public works, the building and maintenance of new schools, the giving
of special aid to agriculture and agricultural societies and in many other ways,
all of which have tended to stimulate interest in that region and make it an
important factor in the prosperity of the Province as a whole.
'* That this House recognizes with pleasure the wisdom and success of
the Government in promoting the establishment of new industries suited to
the northern parts of the Province, which provides labour for the settler and
markets for his timber and agricultural products, under which circumstances
he is enabled to remain constantly on his farm instead of going afield in search
of employment.
" That this House congratulates the Government upon its management
of the general interests of the newer parts of the Province whereby settlers of
the proper class are flowing in, in large numbers; there is a greater interest
and activity in agricultural matters ; the revenue of the Province from its
natural resources is carefully guarded ; the lot of the settler has been improved
18-JOUR.
274 16th April. 1914
and made easier ; aud under wise mining laws and administration thereof,
the mining indnstry has been stimulated until Ontario is producing forty
per cent, of the minerals of Canada and has been pushed into a ])roniinent place
among the mineral producing countries in the world."
And a Debate having ensued.
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
night.
Friday, I7th April, 1914.
Lhe Debate was continued.
And, after some time,
Mr. Elliott moved in Amendment to the Amendment, seconded by Mr.
Proudfoot,
That all the words of the Amendment after the first word "That" be
stricken out and the following substituted therefor: —
The following words be added to the Main Motion: —
•
This House cordially approves of the expenditure of the sum of $5,000,-
000 authorized by this House for the development of Northern and North-,
western Ontario by 2 Geo. V., Chap. 2, and such further sums as may from
time to time be necessary for the opening up and settlement of those portions
of the Province, and regrets that while the Government has raised by way
of loan under the provisions of the said Act the sum of $4,362,838.72, it has
not applied any of the proceeds of said loan to " the advancement of settle-
ment and colonization and the assistance of settlers " as authorized and pro-
vided in the said Act, but on the contrary has expended $3,062,349.12 out
of the proceeds of the said loan for purposes not authorized by the said Act.
And the Amendment to the Amendtoient, having been put, was lost on
the following division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson Bowman • Koliler Proudfoot
(Bruce) Clarke Mayberry Eacine
Atkinson Elliott Munro Powell. — 11
George F,
16tII Al'KIL.
•lio
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson Fallis Jainieson Pattinson
(Essex) Ferguson Jarvis Preston
Armstrong (Simcoe) Jessop (Lanark)
Black Fergiison Lucas Pvne
Brewster ' (Grenvii)e) :\Ic Parian Rankin.
Brower Foy McGarrj Reanme
Cameron Galna McKeown Ross
Carscallen Gamey McNaiigbt Shillington
Chambers Gooderliam jVIacArthiir Stiulhulme
Cook Grigg Milligan Thompson
Dargavel Hanna Mills (simcoe)
Devitt Hartt Morel Thompson
Duff Hearst Mnsgrove (Peterboro)
Fibs Hendrie Xorman Westbrook
Eilber Henry Owens Whitesides — 54.
Pairs.
Beck Marshall.
McElroy McDonald.
Macdiarmid Richardson.
McCrea Ferguson (Kent.)
Pratt Sinclair.
Fraser McQueen.
Dunlop McCormick.
Preston (Durham) Mageau.
The Amendment, having been then put, was carried on the following
division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
.Vnderson Fallis Jamieson Pattinson
(Essex) Ferguson Jarvis " Preston
Armstrong (Simcoe) .Tessop (Lanark)
Black Ferguson Lucas Pjne
Brewster (GrenviUe) .AfcFarlan Rankin
T^>rower Foy McGarry Reaume
Cameron Galna McKeown Ross
Carscallen Gamey MeXaught Shillington
Cbambers Gooderham MacArthur Studholme
^'<^o^ G-rigg Milligan Thompson
Dargavel Hanna Mills" (Simcoe)
T^evitt Hartt Morel Thompson
Duff Hearst Musgrove (Peterboro)
Ebbs Hendrie Xorman Westbrook
Eilber Henry Owens Whitesides— 54.
276
IOtii Apuii..
10 U
Xays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
] >o wman
Clarke
Elliott
Kohler
^ I ay berry
^Miiiiro
Prondfoot
liacine
Rowell— 11.
Pairs.
Beck ]\[arshall.
McE'roy McDonald.
Macdiarmid Richardson.
McCrea Ferguson ( Kent.)
Pratt Sinclair.
Fraser McQueen.
Dunlop McCormick.
Preston (Durham) Mageau.
The Main Motion, as amended, having been then put was carried on the
following division: —
Yeas.
Mess
ieurs :
Anderson
Fallis
.Tamieson
Pattinson
(Essex)
Fera:uson
Jarvis
Preston
Armstrong
(Simcoe)
Tessop
(Lanark)
Black
Ferguson
Lucas
Pvne
Brewster
(Cirenville)
^loFarlan
Rankin
Brower
Foy
McGarry
Reaurae
Cameron
Galna
McKeown
Ross
Carscallen
Gamey
McXaught
Shillington
Chambers
GoodeAam
MacArthur
Studholme
Cook
Dargavel
Grigg
TIanna
]\Iilligan
]\rills
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Devi tt
Duff
Hartt
Hearst
i\rorel
INfusgrove
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Hendrie
Xorman
A\'estbrook
Eilber
Henry
Owens
Wliitesides — 54.
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Elliott
Kohler
]\rayberry
^funro
Proudfoot
Racine
Rowell— 11,
George V
16th April. ^77
Beck Marshall.
McEJroy McDonald.
Macdiarmid Richardson.
McCrea Ferguson (Kent.)
Pratt Sinclair.
Fraser McQneen.
Dunlop McCormick.
Preston (Durham) .Mageaii.
And it was
Resolved, That this House views with profound satisfaction the judg-
ment, energy and economy with which the Government is carrying out the
development of the northern fertile parts of tlie Province, as intended and
]irovided for by 2 George V., Cap. 2.
That this House is of opinion that the building of trunk and other
roads giving access to new areas, connecting important centres and providing
new markets, the drainage system carried on in the construction of roads and
otherwise under the ]S[orthern Development Branch of the Government, are
well calculated to aid in opening up the region in question, and are all steps
in the direction of making it an attractive field for those desirous of acquiring
homes in this Province.
That this House commends and approves the efforts put forth by the
Government by the use of demonstration cars, the distribution of literature
upon this Continent and in Europe, and the employment of competent agents
and in other ways to secure the best class of settlers possible for the newer
parts of the Province.
That this House desires to record its satisfaction with the generous
interest manifested in various ways by the Government towards the opening
up of the northern and newer parts of the Province, such as the supplying
uf agricultural representatives, the construction of colonization roads, bridges
and other public works, the building and maintenance of new schools, the
giving of special aid to agriculture and agricultural societies, and in many
other ways, all of which have tended to stimulate interest in that region and
make it an important factor in the prosperity of the Province as a whole.
That this House recognizes with pleasure the wisdom and success of the
Government in promoting the establishment of new industries suited to the
northern parts of the Province, which ]irovide labour for the settler and
markets for his timber and agricultural products, under which circumstances
he is enabled to remain constantly on his farm instead of going afield in search
of employment.
278 16th April. ' lOli
That this House congratulates the Government upon its management of
the general interests of the newer parts of the Province whereby settlers of the
proper class are flowing in iu large numbers; there is a greater interest and
activity iu agricultural matters; the revenue of the Province from its natural
resources is carefully guarded; the lot of the settler has been improved and
made easier; and under wise mining laws and administration thereof the
mining industry has been stimulated until Ontario is producing 40 per cent.
of the minerals of Canada, and has been pushed into a prominent place among
the mineral-producing countries of the world.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Coinmitteo
of Supply.
» {In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums: —
242. To defray the expenses of Civil Government $21,765 12
243. To defray the expenses of Legislation $2,234 00
245. To defray the expenses of Education ?^7,961 72
246. To defray the expenses of the Public Institutions Main-
tenance $29,750 00
247. To defray the expenses of Agriculture $6,055 25
248. To defray the expenses of Colonization and Immigration . $1,625 00
249. To defray the expenses of the Maintenance and Repairs
of Government Buildings $3,602 00
251. To defray the expenses of the Public Works $152,106 79
252. To defray the expenses of the Colonization Roads, Xorth
Division $162,078 50
253. To defray the expenses of the Colonization Roads, West
Division $57,087 50
254. To defray the expenses of the Colonization Roads, East
Division . . $132,094 00
256. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous $10,046 63
257. To defray the expenses of the Charges on Crown Lands. . $5,183 34
258. To defray the expenses of the Refunds $80 00
]Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
That the Committee had come to several Resolutions; also, That the Committee
had directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
George V. 17th Apeil. 279
Ordered, That the lleport be received at the uext Sittings of the House,
To-day.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again at the next Sittings
of the House, To-daj.
]\Ir. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor: —
Report of the Provincial Municipal Auditor, for the year 1913. {Ses-
sional Papers, No. 8.) ^
Also — Report on Highway Improvement in the Province, for the year
1914. (Sessional Papers, No. 15.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Vegetable- Growers for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 34.)
Also — Official Regulations for the Government of the Andrew Mercer
Reformatory. (Sessional Papers, No. 90.)
Also — Official Regulations for the Government of the Hospitals and Pub-
lic Charities of Ontario. (Sessional Papers, No. 91.)
Also — Official Regulations for the Government of Common Gaols of On-
tario. (Sessional Papers, No. 92.)
Also — Official Regulations for the Government of Industrial Farms in
Ontario. (Sessional Papers, No. 93.)
Also — Official Regulations for the Government of the Ontario Reforma-
tory. (Sessional Papers, No. 94.)
The House then adjourned at 1.35 a.m.
280 17th April. 1914
Friday, April iTth, 1914.
Pbayeks. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
Mr. Hanna, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their Eleventh Keport, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee begs to report the following Bills with certain amend-
ments : —
Bill (Xo. 39), An Act respecting the City of Ottawa.
Bill (Xo. 59), An Act to confirm a mortgage made by the Young Men's
Christian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the Canada Life
Assurance Company.
Your Conmiittee begs to report the following Bills without amendment: —
Bill (Xo. 60), An Act respecting the City of St. Catharines.
Bill (Xo. 108), An Act to confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of
the ToAvn of Trenton.
Bill (Xo. 153), An Act respecting the Town of Wiarton and Canada
Casket Company, Limited.
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bill (Xo.' 59), An Act tx) confirm a mortgage made by the
Young Men's Christian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the
> anada Life Assurance Company, on the ground that the same is one relating
to a Religious Institution.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on
Bill rXo. 59), Y.:\r.C.A.. Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time:—
Bill ('Xo.'l87). intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Company's Act.'
Mr. Hartt.
Ordered, That the Bill be rpad the second time on Mondav next.
George V. ITth April. 281
Bill (Xo. 188), intitukd, "An Act respecting the Purchase, Transfer
and Sale of Goods and Chattels in Bulk." Mr. McPherson.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time on Monday next.
On Motion of Mr. Grigg, seconded by Mr. Dargavel,
Ordered, That the Kules of the House be suspended and that leave be
given to introduce a Bill respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie, and that
the same do stand referred to the Committee on Private Bills without the
formality of posting.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 50). intituled "An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie."
Mr. Grigg.
^Referred to the Private Bills Committee.
Mr, Anderson (Essex) moved, seconded by Mr. Champagne.
That the First Report of the Standing Committee on Printing presented
to the House and read on the Fourteenth day of April instant, be now con-
curred in,
Mr, Rowell moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr, Marshall,
That the Report be not now concurred in, but be amended by providing
that the following Returns be printed : —
Return re Securities sold by the Province, date of sales, etc. (Sessional
Papers No. 64.)
Return re Timber Limits sold by the Government during the last year,
{Sessional Papers No. 65.)
Return re License of William Smuck of Bayham. cancelling the same,
etc, (Sessional Papers No. 66.)
2S2 ITtii April. 1914
Return re Taylor, Scott & Co. contract with Central Prison. (Sessional
Papers No. 68.)
Return re License Holders in City of Toronto during year 1908-9.
{Sessio?ial Papers No. 69.)
Return re Coal Tender for Government Institutions during 1910-13.
(Sessional Papers No. 74.)
Return re Buildings erected by the Province at the Prison Farm at
Guelph. (Sessional Papers No. 75.)
Return re Attitude of officials of Government to the Canada Temperance
Act. (Sessional Papers No. 76.)
Return re Grants made to the rural public schools of Ontario in 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 77.)
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost upon a Division.
The Main Motion having been then again submitted, was carried upon a
Division, and it was
Resolved, That this House doth concur in the First Report of the Stand-
ing Committee on Printing.
The following Bills were severally read the second time : —
Bill (Xo. 180), To amend the Ontario Stallion Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Bill (No. 183), To amend the Territorial Divisions Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 184), For the Protection of Pure Bred Cattle.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee t,o consider Bill (No. 162),
To amend the Game and Fisheries Act, and, after some time spent therein.
George V. 17th Apiul. 283
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain Amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the 15111 he rcjul the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 175),
Eespecting certain Colonization Roads, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 178),
The District Representation Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair ; and IMr. Donovan reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any Amendment^
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
107), To provide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and
Industrial Diseases contracted in the course of their employment, and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan
reported, That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain
Amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The following Bills were severally read the third time and passed: —
Bill (No. 2"), To authorize "William Samuel Nelson Harold to assume
and use the name Samuel William Randall.
2S4 17th April. • 1914
Bill (^^o. 4), Kespectiiig the Beech wood Cemetery Company of Ottawa.
Bill (j\^o. 5), Bespecting the Ottawa Ladies' College.
Bill (iS^o. 22), To conlirm By-law Number 632 of the Town of Welland.
Bill (No. 3), To validate By-laws Numbers 511 and 512 of the Town of
Brampton.
Bill (No. 6), Respecting the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association.
Bill (No. 20), To incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
Bill (No. 11), Respecting the Peterborough Radial Railway Company.
Rill (No. 33), Respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville
Electric Railway Company.
Bill (No. 23). Respecting the North Midland Railway Company.
Bill (No. 18). Respecting the Tovm of Dunnville.
Bill (No. 24). To confirm By-law No. 1538 of the City of Windsor.
Bill (No. 26), To confirm By-law No. 1670 of the City of Windsor and
for other purposes.
Bill (No. 9), To confirm By-law No. 1003 of the Town of Orangeville.
Bill (No. 42), Respecting the City of Sanlt Ste. Marie, F. H. Clergue
and The Lake Superior Dry Dock and Construction Company, Limited.
Bill (No. 25), Respecting the City of Windsor.
Bill (No. 27), Respecting the Town of Waterloo.
Bill (No. 30), To enable the Trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian
Church, Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
Bill (No. 15), Respecting the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes and Kingston Rail-
way Company.
Bill (No. 14), Respecting the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Com-
pany.
(jleorye V. ITtii April. 285
JJill (No. 16), Kespectiug the Forest Hill Electric Kailway Company.
Bill (No. 8), To consolidate a certain indebtedness of the Town of Arn-
prior.
Bill (No. 40), Respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliff Suburban Electric
Railway Company and to confirm By-law No. 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
Bill (No. 29), Respecting the Town of Parry Sound.
Bill (No. 61), Respecting the Ronian Catholic Episcopal Corporation
of the Diocese of London in Ontario.
Bill (No. 92), Respecting the Town of Sarnia.
Bill (No. 37), Respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's College in
Montreal. ,
Bill (No. 38), To incorporate Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
Bill (No. 17), Respecting the Town of Lindsay.
Bill (No. QQ), To confirm certain By-laws of the Township of Russell.
Bill (No. 51), Respecting the City of London.
Bill (No. 28), Respecting the Guelph Radial Railway Company.
Bill (No. 46), Respecting the Mannora Railway and Mining Company.
Bill (No. 53), To incorporate the London, Grand Bend and Stratford
Railwav Company.
Bill (No. 65), Respecting the Queen Street Car Service upon Queen
Street East in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway Company.
Bill (No. 69), To validate and confirm certain By-laws of the Town of
Brampton.
Bill (No. 31), Respecting the Municipality of Shuniah.
Rill (No. 13), Respecting the City of Fort William.
Bill (No. 34), Respecting the City of Port Arthur.
286 llTii April. • 1914
Bill (Xo. 21"). Respoctiiig the Town of Cochrane.
Bill (Xo. 52), To incorporate the Citv of Sarnia.
Bill (Xo. 113), Respecting the Village of ^limico.
Bill (Xo. 90), To confirm By-law Xo. 387 of the County of Halton.
Bill (Xo. 57), To consolidate the Debenture Debt of the City of Stratford.
Bill (Xo. 161), Respecting Canada Fnrnitnre Manufacturers, Limited.
Bill (Xo. 12), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Bill (Xo. 47), Respecting the Town of Collingwood.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (Xo. 41), Respecting
the Town of Midland, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and ]\rr. Machin
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered. That the Bill be read the third time on Mondav next.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 19 J 4,
the following sum : —
259. To defray the expenses of the Miscellaneous $5,223,025 95
George V. 17th and 20tii April. 287
j\Ir. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville^ reported,
That the Committee had come to a Resolution; also, That the Committee had
directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received on Monday next.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again on Monday next.
On Motion of Mr. Rowell, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
Ordered, That the expenditures of the Temiskaming and !N^orthern Ontario
Railway Commission, as contained in the Report of the Commission for the
year 1913, be referred to the Committee on Public Accounts.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Inspector of Registry Offices, for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers No. 7.)
Also — Official Regulations and Forms of the Ontario Hospitals for the
Insane. (Sessional Papers No. 95.)
The House then adjourned at 6.30 p.m.
Monday, April 20th. 1914.
PrAYEES. 3 O'CLOCK, P.M.
His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor entered the Chamber of the Legis-
lative Assembly and took his seat upon the Throne.
The Clerk Assistant then read the Titles of the several Acts that had
parsed as follows : —
An Act to authorize William Samuel Kelson Harold to assume and use
the name Samuel William Randall.
An Act to confirm By-laws Xos. 511 and 512 of the Town of Brampton.
An Act respecting the Beechwood Cemetery Company of Ottawa.
288 20th Apkil. 1914
— — — — — — — ■ 1
An Act respecting the Ottawa Ladies' College.
An Act respecting the Sons of Scotland Benevolent Association.
An Act to consolidate a certain indebtedness of the Town of Arnprior.
An Act to confirm By-law 'No. 1003 of the Town of Orangeville.
An Act respecting the Peterborough Radial Railway Company.
An Act to confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town of
Trenton.
An Act respecting the City of Fort William.
An Act respecting the Gananoque and Arnprior Railway Company.
An Act respecting the Ottawa, Rideau Lakes and Kingston Railway
Company.
An Act respecting the Forest Hill Electric Railway Company.
An Act respecting the Town of Lindsay.
An Act respecting the Town of Dunnville.
An Act in incorporate the Village of Wheatley.
An Act respecting the Town of Cochrane.
An Act to confirm By-law No. 632 of the Town of Welland.
An Act respecting the North Midland Railway Company.
An Act to confirm By-law No. 1538 of the City of Windsor.
An Act respecting the City of Windsor.
An Act to confirm By-law No. 1670 of the City of Windsor and for
Other Purposes.
An Act respecting the Town of Waterloo^
An Act respecting the Guelph Radial Railway Company.
George V. 20th April. -289
An Act respecting the Town of Parry Sound.
An Act to enable the trustees of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church,
Peterborough, to sell certain lands.
An Act respecting the Municipality of Shuniah.
An Act respecting the Dunnville, Wellandport and Beamsville Electric
Railway Company.
An Act respecting the City of Port Arthur.
An Act respecting the Corporation of St. Mary's College in Afonrreal.
An Act to incorporate Sacred Heart College of Sudbury.
An Act respecting the Sudbury-Copper Cliff Suburban Electric Railway
Company, and to confirm By-law ISTo. 343 of the Town of Sudbury.
An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie, F. H. Clergue and the
Lake Superior Dry Dock and Construction Company, Limited.
An Act respecting the Marmora Railway- and Mining Company.
An Act respecting the Town of Collingwood.
An Act respecting the City of London.
An Act to incorporate the City of Sarnia.
An Act to incorporate the London. Grand Bend & Stratford Railway
Company.
An Act to consolidate the Deibenture Debt of the City of Stratford.
An Act respecting the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation of the
Diocese of London in Ontario.
An Act respecting the Queen Street Car Service upon Queen Street East
in the City of Toronto by the Toronto Railway Company.
An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Township of Russell.
An Act to validate and confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Brampton.
19- JOUR.
290 20th Apkil. 1914
An Act respecting the Town of Sarnia.
An Act to confirm By-law Ko. 387 of the Coimty of Halton.
An Act respecting the Village of Mimico.
An Act respecting Canada Furniture Manufacturers, Limited.
To these Acts the Eoyal Assent was announced by the Clerk of the Legis-
lative Assembly in the following words: —
" In His Majesty's name. His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor doth
assent to these Acts."
His Honour was then pleased to retire.
On Motion of Mr. McCrea, seconded by Mr. Scholfield,
Resolved, That the Rules of the House be suspended, and leave be given
to introduce a Bill respecting a School Site in the Town of North Bay and
that the same be now read a first time and do stand referred to the Committee
on Private Bills without the formality of posting as required by the Rule in
that case made and provided.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 189), intituled " An Act respecting a School Site for the
Roman Catholic Separate School ]3oard of North Bay." Mr. McCrea.
Referred to the Committee on Private Bills.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 190), intituled "An Act respecting Advertising of Agricul-
tural Resources by Counties." Mr. Duff.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 191), intituled "An Act to amend the Liquor License Act."
!Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
George V.
20tii April.
291
Bill (No. 192), intituled ''An Act respecting the Public Construction
and Operation of Electric Railways." Mr. Beck.
Ordered, That the BiU be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 19), Respecting
the City of Hamilton, having been read,
Mr. Hanna moved
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Studholme moved in amendment
That the Bill be not now read the third time, but be recommitted to a
Committee of the Whole with instructions to amend the same by adding after
the word ''may" in the second line of the second section of the Bill the words
"with the assent of the electors qualified to vote on money By-laws."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Bowman
McDonald
Richardson
Sinclair
Kohler
McQueen
Rowell
Studholme — 10
McCormick
Mayberry
•
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Foy
]\rcKeown
Preston
(Bruce)
Eraser
]\rcPherson
(Lanark)
Anderson
Grodfrey
Machin
(Essex)
Gooderham
Mason
Pyne
Armstrong
Hanna
Mathieu
Racine
Cook
Hant
Musgrove
Scholfield
Crawford
Hearst
Owens
Torrance
Donovan
Jamieson
Pratt
Vrooman
Duff
Lennox
Preston
Whitesides— 34
Fallis
Lucas
(Durham)
Paiks.
None.
292 20th April. 1914
The ^lotion for the third reading having been then again put, was carried
on a Division and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The following Bills were severally read the third time and passed: —
Bill (No. Ill), Respecting the Export of Pulpwood.
Bill (No. 144), To amend the Surveys Act.
Bill (No. 146), To amend the Ontario Land Surveyors' Act.
Bill (No. 139), To amend the Act respecting Sanatoria for Consumptives.
Bill (No. 142), Respecting the Hospital for Epileptics.
Bill (No. 143), Respecting Reception Hospitals for the Insane.
Bill (No. 141), To amend the Industrial Farms Act. .
Bill (No. 151), To amend the Ontario Reformatory Act and to confirm
a certain Order in Council.
Bill (No. 152), To amend the Hospitals for the Insane Act.
Bill (No. 41), Respecting the Town of Midland.
Bill (No. 158), To amend rlio Land Titles Act. '"
Bill (No. 156), To amend the Stationary Engineers Act.
Bill (No. 159), To amend the Coroners Act.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 62), To incor-
porate the Village of St. Clair Beach, having been read,
Mr. Sulman moved
That the Bill be now read the third time.
And the Mbtion, having been put, was carried on a division, and the Bill
was read the third time and passed.
George V. 20th April. 293
The following Bills wore soverallv read the second time: —
Bill (No. 171), For raisino- money on the Credit of the Consolidaed
Revenue of Ontario.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 185), To amend the :\rnnicipal Act, 1918.
Referred to the ]\[unicipal Committee.
Bill (No. 181), To amend the Election Laws.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 186), The Berlin and Waterloo High School Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
On ]\rotion of Mr. Rowell, seconded hy ^Ir. Bowman.
Ordered, That the financial statements of the Hvdro-Electric Power Com-
mission contained in the Sixth Annual Report of the Commission for the
fiscal year ending 31st October, 1913; the statements of receipts of the
T. & X. O. Railway Commission, as contained in the Report of the said Com-
mission for the fiscal year ending 31st October. 1913; and the financial state-
ments contained in the Report of the Queen Victoria Niagara Falls Park
Commission for the fiscal year ending 31st October, 1913, be referred to the
Public Accounts Committee.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 155), To amend
the Factory. Shop and Oflice l^uilding Act. having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
204 20th April. IDl-t
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 172),
To amend the Provincial Loans Act, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments having been read the second time, were aai'ocd to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 183),
To amend the Territorial Division Act, and after some time spent therein,
^fr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 184),
For the protection of Pure Bred Cattle, and after some time s])pnt therein,
yii'. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 176),
To amend the Tile Drainage Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber rejwrted. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with cert^ain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
George V. 20th April. 295
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1914,
the following sums: —
244. To defray the expenses of the Administration of Justice. . .$ 59,280 00
250. To defray the expenses of the Public Buildings 227,398 75
255, To defray the expenses of the Colonization Roads, Temis-
kaming Division 72,653 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported, That the Com-
mittee had come to several Resolutions ; also. That the Committee had directed
him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received forthwith.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Eilber reported the following further Resolutions from the Com-
mittee of Supply: —
242. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-one thousand seven hun-
dred and sixty-five dollars and twelve cents be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Civil Government for the year ending 31st October.
1914."^
243. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two thousand two hundred and
thirty-four dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Legis-
lation for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
244. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-nine thousand two hundred
and eighty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Admin-
istration of Justice for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
245. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand nine hundred
and sixty-one dollars and seventy-two cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Education for the year ending 31st October, 1914.'
296 20th Apbil. 1914
246. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-nine thousand seven
hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Public Institutions Maintenance for the year ending 31st October, 1914,
247. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six thousand and fifty-five
dollars and twenty-five cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Agriculture for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
248. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand six hundred and
twenty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Coloniza-
tion and Immigration for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
249. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three thousand six hundred
and two dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mainten-
ance and repairs of Government Buildings for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
250. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and twenty-seven
thousand three hundred and ninety-eight dollars and seventy-five cents be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Public Buildings for the year
ending 31st October, 1914.
251. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-two thou-
sand one hundred and six dollars and seventy-nine cents be granted to His
Majesty to defray the expenses of Public Works for the vear ending 31st
October, 1914.
252. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and sixty-two
thousand and seventy-eight dollars and fifty cents be granted to His Majesty
to defray the expenses of Colonization Roads, l^orth Division, for the year end-
ing 31st October, 1914.
253. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-seven thousand and eighty-
seven dollars and fifty cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Colonization Eoads, West Division, for the year ending 31st October. 1914.
254. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and thirty-two
thousand and ninety-four dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Colonization Roads, East Division, for the vear ending 31st
October, 1914.
255. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-two thousand six hun-
dred and fifty-three dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Colonization Roads. Temiskaming Division, for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
George V. 20th Apkil. 297
256. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ten thousand and forty-six
dollars and sixty-three cents be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October, 1914.
257. Besolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand one hundred and
eighty-three dollars and thirty-four cents be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Charges on Crown Lands for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
258. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eighty dollars be granted to His
Majesty to defray the expenses of Refunds for the year ending 31st October,
1914.
259. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five million two hundred and
twenty-three thousand and twenty-five dollars and ninety-five cents be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Miscellaneous for the year ending
31st October, 1914.
The Resolutions, having been read the second time, it was
Ordered, That the further consideration of the Two hundred and forty-
fourth, Two hundred and fiftieth, Two hundred and fifty-fifth and Two hundrerf
and fifty-ninth Resolutions be postponed until To-morrow.
The remaining Resolutions were concurred in.
The Order of the Day for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Motion
for the second reading of Bill (No. 149), The Fair Wages and Hours of
Labour Regulation Act, 1914, having been read,
The Debate was resumed.
And after some time,
Mr. Rowell moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word ''That" be stricken
out and the following substituted therefor: —
" this H^ouse recognizes the obligation to give careful consideration to
all matters affecting the welfare of the wage-earners of the Province, and is of
29S 20th April. 1914
the opiniou that a Commission should be appointed by the Government to
enquire into the conditions of labor in the Province of Ontario, including the
matters dealt with in Bill Number 149, and to report to this House at its next
Session as to what legislative or administrative action should be taken to
improve the condition of the workers of the Province, and that such investiga-
tion is desirable before proceeding further with Bill Number 149."
And a Debate having ensued,
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
alght.
Tuesday, 21st April, 1914.
The Debate continued.
And after some time.
The Amendment having been put, was lost on a Division.
The original ^lotion for the second reading of the Bill having been then
again submitted, was declared to be lost on a Division.
And so it was declared in the negative.
The following Bill was read the third time and passed: —
Bill ^ISTo. 175), Respecting Certain Colonization Roads.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills: —
Bill (No. 35), Respecting the Township of York.
Bill (No. 32), Respecting the Orphans' Home of the City of Ottawa.
Bill (No. 93), To incorporate the Town of Bala.
Mr. Sjieakcr resumed the Chair; and ^Fr. Brewster reported. That the
Committee had directed hjm to report the several Bills without Amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time at the
next Sittinsfs of the House To-dav.
George V. 20tii April. 299
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 180),
To amend the Ontario Stallion Act, and, after some time si)ent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr, Torrance reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 49), To confirm certain By-laws of the Village of Weston,
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 173), Respecting the Town of Oakville.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No, 96), To confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Orillia.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 134), Respecting the Town of Pembroke.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 170), Respecting the City of Toronto.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No, 95), Respecting the City of Guelph.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow,
Bill (No. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto,
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow,
Bill (No. 94), Respecting the Town of Bowmanville.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 43), Respecting the Town of Cornwall and McGill Chairs,
Limited.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
300 20th April. 1914
Bill (No. 44), Respecting the City of Brantford.
Referred to a Committee of the ^Yhole House To-morrow.
Bill (Ko. 56), Respecting the Town of Wallaceburg.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 63), Respecting the Ontario West Shore Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 55), Respecting the Niagara Falls, Welland and Dnnnville
Electric Railway Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 109), Respecting the Morrisburg and Ottawa Electric Railway
Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 48), To consolidate the Floating Debt of the Town of Aylmer.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 10), To authorize the LaAv Society of Upper Canada to admit
James George Gnise-Bagley as a Student in his final year.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 59), To confirm a Mortgage made by the Young Men's Christian
Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the Canada Life Assurance
Company.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 60), Respecting the City of St. Catharines.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 108), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
George V. 20th and 21st April. 301
Bill (Xo. 153), Respecting the Town of Wiarton and Canada Casket
Company. Limited.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The House then adjourned at 12.15 a.m.
Tuesday, April 21st, 1914.
Pbayers 3 O'CLOCK, P.M.
Mr. Hanna, from the Standing Committee on Municipal Law, presented
their First Report, Avhich was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee beg to report Bills iSTos. 84, 85, and 150, with certain
amendments, and Bills Nos. 105 and 154 without amendments.
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills to amend
" The Municipal Act " :—
Bills N'oe. 74, 76, 100, 116, 117, 119, 121, 127, 128, 102, 104, 126, 132
and 131, and such of their provisions as have been approved of by the Com-
mittee have been embodied in a Bill entitled " The ^lunicipal Amendment
Act, 1914."
i
Mr. Lucas, from the Standing Committee on Private Bills, presented
their Twelfth Report, which was read as follows, and adopted: —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bill with certain amendments:
Bill (No. 7), An Act respecting the Toronto Western Hospital.
Your Committee beg to report the following Bills without amendments : —
Bill (No. 50), An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie.
Bill (No. 179). An Act to confirm By-law No. 339 of the Town of
North Bay.
Bill (No. 189), An Act respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic
School of North Bav.
302 21sT April. IdU
Your Committee recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of printing,
be remitted on Bills (No. 1), " An Act to incorporate Haileybury Turf Asso-
ciation," and (1^0. 98), " An Act to confirm By-law No. 306 of the Corporation
of the Village of Grimsby, and By-law No. 216 of the Corporation of the Town-
ship of North Grimsby," the same having been withdrawn by the promoters.
Your Committee also recommend that the fees, less the actual cost of
printing, be remitted on Bill (No. 7), "An Act respecting the Toronto
Western Hospital," the same being one relating to a charitable institution, and
on Bill (No. 189), '' An Act respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic
School of North Bay," the same being one vplatinii' to an educational institution.
Ordered, That the fees, less the actual cost of printing, be remitted on the
following Bills: — (No. 1), Haileybury Turf Association; (No. 98), Grimsby
By-law; (No. 7), Toronto Western Hospital, and (No. 189), North Bay
School Site.
The following Bills were severally introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 193), intituled " The Municipal Amendment Act, 1914."
Mr. Hanna.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
Bill (No. 194), intituled '"An Act respecting Auxiliary Classes."
Mr. Pyne.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the scrMiid time To-morrow.
The following Bill was read the third time and passed: —
Bill CNo. 87), Respectinii- the "Royal Ontario Museum.
The House proceeded to take into further consideration the Resolution
reported from the Committee of Supply, the consideration whereof had been
postponed.
George V. 21st April. 303
The Two huntlreJ and tiftietli Ke-oliition, res])Cctiiig Public niiildiiig.-:,
having been again read,
Mr. Lucas moved
That the Resohition be now concurred in.
Mr. Bowman moved, in amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That the Resohition be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted
to the Committee of Supply with instructions to amend the same by striking
out the sum of One hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars, for the new
Government House.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Resolution was then concurred in on a Division.
The Two hundred and fifty-fifth Re>ohition, respecting the expenses of
Colonization Roads, Temiskaming Division, having been again read, was
concurred in.
The Two hundred and fifty-ninth Resolution, respecting the expenses of
Miscellaneous, having been again read,
!Mr. Lucas moved
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Munro, moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
That the Resolution be not now concurred in, but that it be recom-
mitted to the Committee of Sitpply with instructions to amend the same by
inserting after the words " Hydro-Electric Power Commission " in the last
item thereof the following estimates furnished to the LTouse by the Hydro-
Electrie Power Commission: —
Niagara System Extensions —
Transmission lines $2,137,046 00
Transformer stations 964,450 00
Distribution stations 8,198 00
Wood pole lines .^ 282,085 52
Engineering investigations power develop-
ment—Welland Canal 30.000 00
$3,421,785 52
304 21sT April. 1914
Severn System —
Transmiseion lines $55,000 00
Distribution and transformer stations 35,000 00
Purchasing of Big Chute 460,000 00
$550,000 00
WasdeU's System —
Generating plant and transformer stations. . 110,000 00
Transmission lines 81,751 00
$191,751 00
St. Lawrence System —
Transmission lines 15,505 00
Distribution stations 7,175 00
$22,680 00
Port Arthur System —
Transformer stations 20,513 00
Eugenia System —
Tran?mission lines 150,000 00
Generating system 100,000 00
$250,000 00
Office Building 150,000 00
Estimates on account of Provincial work 165,000 00
Total $1,771,729 00
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Resolution was then concurred in.
The Two hundred and forty-fourth Resolution, respecting the Adminisr
tration of Justice, having been read,
Mr. Lucas moved '
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
!Mr. Sinclair moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. McQueen,
That the Resolution be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted
to the Committee of Supply with instructions to amend the same by striking
out the sum of $35,000 for the Statute Revision.
And the Amendment, having been put. wa? lost on a division.
The Resolution was then concurred in.
(Jeorqe V. 21st April. 305
Mr. Foy delivered to Mr. Speaker a Message from the Lieutenant-
Governor, signed by himself; and the said Message was read by Mr. Speaker,
and is as follows: —
• J. M. GIBSON.
The Lieutenant-Governor transmits Estimates of certain sums required
for the service of the Province for the year ending 31st October, 1915, and
recommends them to the Legislative Assembly.
Government House^
Toronto, April 21st, 1914.
(Sessional Papers, Xo. 2).
Ordered, That the Message of the Lieutenant-Governor, together with the
Estimates accompanying same, be referred to the Committee of Supply.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills : —
Bill (Xo. 68), Respecting the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway
Company.
Bill (Xo. 173), Respecting the Town of Oakville.
Bill (Xo. 96), To confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Orillia.
Bill (Xo. 134). Respecting the Town of Pembroke.
Bill (Xo. 95), Respecting the City of Guelph.
Bill (Xo. 94), Respecting the Town of Bowmanville. *
Bill (Xo. 55), Respecting the Xiagara Falls. Welland and Dunville
Electric Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 109), Respecting the Morrisburg and Ottawa Electric Railway
Company.
Bill (Xo. 48), To consolidate the Floating Debt of the Town of Aylmer.
Bill (Xo. 10), To authorize the Law Society of Upper Canada to admit
James George Guise-Bagley as a Student in his final year.
20-JorR.
306 21sT April. 1914
Bill (iS^o. 59), To conlirm a Mortgage made by the Young Alan's Chris-
tian Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the Canada Life Assur-
ance Company.
Bill (]!s'o. 60), Respecting the City of St. Catharines.
Bill (No. 108), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Bill (No. 153), Respecting the Town of Wiarton and Canada Casket
Company, Limited.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McGarry reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without Amendment.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider the following
Bill:—
Bill (No. 63), Respecting the Ontario West Shore Railway Company.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McGarry reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain Amendments.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
Mr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. When was the English-French Model School established at Plantage-
net. 2. What was the number of students in attendance per year for each year
during the existence of the said school. 3. What number of students obtained
certificates of qualification to teach for each year during which the said school
existed.
George F. 21st x\pril. 307
To which the ^linister of Education replied in the words and figures
following : —
1. The English-French ]\rodel School at Plantagenet was established in
January, 1890.
2 and 3. The number of students in attendance for each year during the
existence of the school and the number who obtained certificates of qualifica-
tion to teach during each year are as follows: —
Certificates of
Number of students qualification to
Year, in attendance. teach, granted.
1890 57 40
1891 41 26
1892 38 22
1893 34 26
1894 35 25
1895 50 . 38
1896 47 33
1897 26 20
1898 18 13
1899 19 17
1900 61 *31
1901 28 14
1902 28 28
1903 30 20
1904 21 17
1905 22 19
1906 14 14
1907 16 16
'^Note. — Tn addition to the thirty-one candidates who passed the final
examination in 1900 there were thirty additional candidates granted certifi-
cates to teach, (nvins to the scarcity of teachers.
^fr. Elliott asked the following Question: —
1. When was the English-French ]\rodel School established at Sturgeon
Falls. 2. When was the English-French Model School at Sturgeon Falls
abolished. 3. What was the number of students in attendance per year for
each year during the existence of the said school. 4. What number of students
obtained certificates of qualification to teach for each year during which the
said school existed.
308 2 1st Apuil. 1914
■ —\
And the l\[inister of Education replied in the words and figures following:
1. The English- French Model School at Sturgeon Falls was established in
September. 1909. 2. This School has not been abolished. 3. The attendance
at the English-French ^locM School at Sturgeon Falls for the years 1909, 1910,
1911. 1912 and 191.",, was as follows:—
Attendance for the Session Septend>er, 1909 — June, 1910: — 3.
Attendance for the session September, 1910 — June. 1911: — Senior
Course, 8 ; Junior Course, 13.
Attendance for the session September, 1911 — June, 1912: — Senior
Course, 7 ; Junior Course, 14.
Attendance for the session September, 1912 — June, 1913: — Senior
Course, 5 : Junior Course, 23.
Attendance for the session September, 1913 — June, 1914: — Senior
Course, 1 ; Junior Course, 13.
The Junior Course at the Sturgeon Falls English-French Model School is
academic, being for the preparation of candidates for the Model Entrance
examination. The Senior Course is professional, being for the training of
teachers for the English-French Schools. 4. The number of students who
passed the final examination of the English-French Model School in 1910,
1911, 1912 and 1913 and were granted English-French Third Class certifi-
cates valid for five years in the Province was as follows: —
June, 1910 3
June, 1911 7
June, 1912 7
June, 1913 4
Mr. Rowman asked the following Question : —
1. Does the Government intend to introduce any anti-treating legislation
this Session.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied: —
That this Question involving, as it does, a matter of Policy, is not one
properly requiring any reply.
George V. 21st Apkil. 309
Mr. Studholme asked the following Question: —
Has the attention of the Government been drawn to certain articles appear-
ing in the Toronto Saturday Night referring to a Company known as " The
Ontario Homes Company, J.imited," and if so, has any action been taken.
And the Provincial Secretary replied,
The attention of the Government has not been drawn to the said articles
appearing in the '' Toro)ito Saturdaij JSight."
On Motion of Mr. Studholme, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot. ■
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return of a Copy of the
Letters* or Charter of the "Ontario Homes Company, Limited,'' giving the
corporation license to promote a company for the purpose of engaging in the
business of the purchase of real estate in manufacturing localities and showing
what, if any, returns have been made to the Department and if the Company
is still doing business.
Mr. Bowman moved, seconded by ^Ir. Proudfoot.
That the Deputy Minister of Lands. Forests and Mines be authorized and
directed to appear before the Public Accounts Committee, and to there pro-
duce for the purposes of the Committee the Reports in the Department on the
quantities and value of the timber in the Townships of Thistle and ^^c^Yilliams
sold during the fiscal year 1912-13,
And the Motion having been put. was lost on the following division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs.
Bowman
Koliler
^funro
Richardson
Ferguson
McDonald
Pi'ondfoot
- Rowell
(Kent)
Maireaii
"Racine
Sinclair — 11
310
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1914
Nays.
Messieurs.
Anderson
l'\n-guson
jMcFarlan
(Durham)
(Essex)
(Grenv
"^^> ^U-Gariy
Preston
Beck
Foy
McKeown
Preston
Bennewies
Eraser
McNaught
(Lanark)
Black
Galna
McPherson
Pyne
Brower
Gooderham
MacArthur
Rankin
Carscallen
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Chambers
Hanna
Maehin
Ross
Champagne
Hartt
]\rason
Shillington
Cook
Hearst
Milligan
Studholme
Crawford
Hendrie
Mills
Thompson
Dargavel
Hogarth
Musgrove
(Peterboro)
Duff
Jamieson
N"ixon
Torrance
Dunlop
Jarvis
Owens
Vrooman
Ebbs
Jessop
Pattinson
\Aniitesides — 57.
Ellis
Lucas
Pairs.
None.
S
And so it was dechired in the necjative.
On Motion of Mr, Musgrove, seconded by Mr. Jessop,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. The
present practice of the Department of Education in regard to the number of
text-books authorized for use in each subject in the Course of Studies. 2. The
number of text-books authorized for use in the elementary and secondary
schools of Ontario issued since the date of the last return laid before this
House, March 20th, 1911; and the methods adopted to keep these books up to
the requirements of the schools. 3. The cost to the Province of each of these
books in the form of payments to authors, printers and electrotypers. 4. The
estimated saving to purchasers of all text-books in elementary and secondary
schools on all the books as compared with previous prices of the same. 5. The
amount annually paid in royalties by the Department of Education to writers
of authorized text-books. 6. The cost to theJProvince of the preparation, edit-
ing, and printing of supplementary readers authorized for use in the scliools
George V. 21st April. 311
7. The amount paid annually by publishers to any official of the Department of
Education on text-books authorized for use in the schools of this Province.
8. What Ontario books have been adopted in other Provinces.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 186),
The Berlin and Waterloo High School Act, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr. McGarry reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow,
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (^o.
165), To amend the Succession Duty Act, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Owens reported, That the Com-
mittee had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (No. 187), To amend the Ontario Company's Act.
^Referred to the Legal Committee.
Bill (ISTo. 191), To amend the Liquor License Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 190), Respecting Advertising of Agricultural Resources by
Counties.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 188), Respect-
ing Transfer and Sale of Goods and Chattels in Bulk, having been read.
Ordered. That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
312 21sT April. 1914
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 171),
For raising money on the Credit of the Consolidated Revenue of Ontario,
and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr.
Owens reported. That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with-
out amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 163), To amend
an Act relating to the Avenues and Approaches to Queen's Park, Toronto,
havipg been read.
Ordered, That the Order be disoharaed, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Eeport of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities, on the Hospitals
for Insane, for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 22.)
Also — Report of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities, upon the
Prisons and Reformatories, for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 26.) •
Also — Return of the Distribution of the Revised Statutes of 1897 and of
the Sessional Statutes. (Sessional Papers No. 96.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 27th March, 1913, for a
Return showing: — Copies of all Orders in Council passed under Section 8, of
the Power Commission Act, as amended by the Power Commission Act, 1912.
(Sessioiml Papers No. 97.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 1st April. 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. All the schools in the Province, both public and separ-
ate, from which the Government grant has been withheld during the years
1912 and 1913 respectively. 2. The grounds upon which such grants have
been withheld from the said school respectively. 3. The grounds upon which
County Councils are required to withhold from schools the moneys raised
l)v taxation from the people. (Sessional Papers No. 98.)
The House then adjourned at 11.30 p.m.
w
George V. ' 22nd Apeil. 313
Wednesday, April 22nd, 1014.
Prayers. 3 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Foy, from the Standing Committee on Legal Bills, presented their
First Report, which was read as follows ami adopted :- —
Your Committee have carefully considered Bill fXo. 13.")), For the
Better Prevention of Ticket Specula-tion, and have prepared certain amend-
ments thereto.
The following- Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Is"o. 195), intituled "An Act to amend the Ontario Telephone Act."
Mr. Lncas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time Tomorrow.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by !Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That the Rules of the Assembly be amended as follows: — 1. The
Rules of the Legislative Assemblj^ are amended by inserting therein the fol-
lowing : —
51a. — (1) Any person desiring to obtain a Private Bill shall deposit
with the Clerk of the House at least eight (8) days before the meeting of- the
House a copy of such Bill, together with a fee of $100, and if such Bill is not
deposited by that time the applicant shall pay $5 for each and every day which
intervenes between the said eighth day and the date of the filing of the Bill,
but such additional charge shall not exceed in the aggregate $100.
(2) After the first reading of the Bill, and before its consideration by
the Committee to which it is referred, the applicant in every case shall pay
the cost of printing the Act in the Statutes.
(3) The following charges shall also be levied and paid in addition to
the foregoing: —
(a) When any Rule of the House is suspended with
reference to a Bill or the Petition therefor
for each such suspension $25 00
(h) When a Bill is presented t>^ the House after the
first seventeen days of the session and before
the end of the twenty-fourth day 50 00
314 22xD April. 1914
{c) When a Bill is presented to the ITonse after the
twenty-fourth day of the session and before the
thirty-first day 75 00
(d) When a Bill is presented after the thirty-first day
of the session 100 00
(4) In case of any Bill incorporating a company, or increasing the
capital stock of a company already incorporated, there shall be paid to the
Clerk of the House, by or on behalf of the applicant, 'before the same is re-
jDorted to the House, the same fee as would be payable to the Provincial Secre-
tary in the case of an incorporation or increase of capital under the pro-
visions of the Ontario Companies Act, less the sum of $100.00 already paid
to the Clerk of the House.
!
(5) When a Bill is for the purpose of confirming by-laws, bonds, deben-
tures or other securities, or authority is asked to borrow money or to increase
borrowing powers the following additional fees shall be paid according to the
amount of money involved: —
On amounts less than $10,000 $ 25 00
On amounts over $10,000 and up to $25,000 50 00
On amounts over $25,000 and up to $40,000. . . 75 00
On amounts over $40,000 and up to $75,000 100 00
On amounts over $75,000 and up to $125,000 , . . 125 00
On amounts over $125,000 and up to $175,000. . 150 00
On amounts over $175,000 and up to $250,000 . 200 00
On amounts over $250,000 and up to $350,000. . 250 00
and an additional fee of $50 for every $100,000 over $350,000.
2. Rule 53 of the Rules is repealed and the following substituted there-
for:—
53. All applications for Private Bills properly the subject of legislation
by the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, within the purview of "The British
Xorth America Act, 1867," shall require a Notice, clearly and distinctly
specifying the nature and object of the application, and, where the applica-
tion refers to any proposed work, indicating generally the location of the work,
and signed by or on behalf of the applicants, such Xotice to be published as
follows, viz. : —
.\ Xotice in.gerted in "The Ontario Gazette" and in one newspaper pub-
lished in the County or Union of Counties affected, or if there be
no newspaper published therein, then in a newspaper in the next
nearest County in which a news])aper is published.
George T. 22xd April. 315
Such Notice shall be continued dn each case for a ])eriod of at least six
weeks, during the interval of time between the close of the next
preceding Session and the consideration of the Petition.
If the application is bv a niunicij)al corporation foj' authority to issue
debentures the Xotice shall sot out the particulars of the existing
debenture debt of the corporation and the reasons for requiring a
further issue of debentures.
3. Rule 60 of the said Rules is repealed.
On ^Motion of Mr. Foy. seconded by Mr. Lucas,
Resolved, That when the House adjourns To-day it do stand adjourned
until Two of the Clock in the afternoon of Thursday, the twenty-third day
of April instant, and that beginning on Friday next, and for each succeeding
day of the Session, there shall be a meeting of the House at Eleven of the
Clock in the forenoon, Mr. 'Speaker to leave the Chair at One of the Clock
without the Question 'being put.
The Order of the Day for the PTouse again to resolve itself into the Com-
mittee of Supply, having been read,
^fr. Lucas moved.
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair, and that the House do again
resolve itself into the Committee of Supply.
^Ir. Elliott moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke.
That all the words of the ^lotion after the first word ''That" be stricken
out and the following substituted therefor: —
" in view of the statements contained in the prospectus or memorandum
offering $1,000,000 of the First Mortgage Bonds of the Lake Huron and
Xorthern Ontario Railway Company (which prospectus or memorandum in-
cludes the statement of the Vice-President and General Manager and the
Engineer's Report), and in view of the further statement of the Engineer's
Report that ' the cash subsidy and land grant associated with this charter gives
us a basis of estimating an unquestionable present worth value of $9,338,400,
made up as follows : —
306 miles at a subsidy of $6,400 per mile $1,958,400 00
1,230,000 acres of land at $6 per acre 7,380,000 00
Total $9,338,400 00
31Q
22>'D April.
1914:
And in view of the further statement that * the bond issue is protected by a
subsidy of $6,400 per mile granted by the Dominion Government and 4,000
acres of land per mile granted as a bonus by the Provincf of Ontario, which
land is adjacent to the line and which, at a reasonable valuation is worth from
$S to $10 per acre.'
" This House condemns the policy of the Government in alienating large
and most valuable areas of the Public Domain to railway exploiters without
adequate return to the people of the Province."
And the Amendment, having been put. was lost on tlio following Division:
Yka
Messi
leurs :
Anderson
(Bmoe)
Ferguson
(Kent)
\rcQueen
^fageau
Proudfoot
Racine
Bowman
Clarke
Flliott
Xohler
AfcCormiek
McDonald
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Powell
Studholmc-
-17
Xays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ellis
Lennox
(Essex)
Fallis
Lucas
Armstrong
Ferguson
^fcCrea
Beck
(Slmcoe)
-McFarlan
l>cnnewies
Ferguson
]\1 ('Garry
Black
(GrenvUle)
.McKeown
Brewster
Foy
McXaught
B rower
Eraser
AfacArthur
Cameron
Oooderham
Macdiarmid
Carscallen
CJrant
-Machin
Chambers
Grigg
^fason
Champagne
TTanna
Mathieu
Cook
Hartt
:\riiis
T'rawford
Hearst
:\rorel
Dargavel
Hendrie
^Fusgrove
Devitt
Henry
Xesbitt
D<^niovan
Hogarth
Xixon
DiifF
Tamieson
Xorman
Dnnlop
.Tarvis
Owens
Ebbs
Jessop
Patlinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Schol field
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Slmcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 74
GeorqeV. 22nd April. 317'
The Main Motion, having been then ag-ain put, was carried.
And the House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee.
{In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1015,
the following sums : —
1. To defray the expenses of the Lieutenant-Governors Office. $5,850 00
2. To defray the expenses of the Office of the Prime Minister
and President of the Council 8,850 00
3. To defray the expenses of the Attorney-General's Depart-
ment"! 76,975 00
4. To defray the expenses of the Education Department 37,825 00
5. To defray the expenses of the Lands, Forests and Mines
Department 156,1 75 00
6. To defray the expenses of the Public Works Department. . 118,155 00
7. To defray the expenses of the Treasury Department 41,701 00
8. To defray the expenses of the Audit Office 22,450 00
9. To defray the expenses of the Provincial Secretary's De-
partment ' 228,150 00
10. To defray the expenses of the Department of Agriculture. 84,200 00
11. To defray the expenses of the Factory Inspection Branch. 27,400 00
12. To defray the expenses of the Stationary Engineers.... 7,100 00
13. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous 21,750 00
14. To defray the expenses of Legislation 307,100 00
15. To defray the expenses of the Supreme Court of Ontario. 96,315 00
16. To defray the expenses of Sundry Civil and Criminal Jus-
tice. 495,508 66
318 22xD April. 1914
■ — — ^
17. To defray the expenses of Administration of Justice in
Districts 194,445 00
IS. To defray the expenses of Public and Separate School Edu-
cation 1,295,350 00
19. To defray the expenses of the jSTormal and ]\Iodel Schools,
Toronto 75,027 00
20. To defray the expenses of the ISTormal and Model Schools,
Ottawa 51,675 00
21. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, London. . . . 28.255 00
22. To defray the expenses of the Ts^ormal School, Hamilton. . 23,835 00
23. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, Peterborough 24.405 00
24. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, Stratford. . . 23.200 00
25. To defray the expenses of the Normal School, North Bay. . 31,970 00
26. To defray the expenses of the High Schools and Collegiate
Institntes 183.300 00
27. To defray the expenses of the Departmental Library and
^Mnsenm 22,428 00
28. To defray the expenses of the Public Libraries, Art Schools,
Historical, Literary and Scientific Societies 77.825 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson reported. That the
Committee had come to several Resolutions: also. That the Committee had
directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Report be received To-morrow.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
Mr. Powman moved, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
That a Select Committee of this House be appointed to inquire into the
circumstances of the visits of Mr. W. K. Snider. Provincial License Inspector,
George V.
22nd April.
319
to the Counties of Welland, Huron and Peel in the month of January, 1914,
prior to the voting on the Canada Temperance Act in those counties on the
29th day of January, 1914; and into the actions and representations of the
said W. K. Snider while there ; and into the statements made by or on behalf
of the Government or any member thereof in reference thereto; and into the
relations of the Government and the Liquor Interests to such visits and re])re-
sentations and statements, and to the voting on the Canada Temperance Act
in such counties ; with power to send for persons and papers and to take
evidence upon oath.
And the Motion, having been put, was lost on the following Division: —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
^laiit'an
Racine
(Bruce)
(Kent)
]\rarshall
Richardson
Atkinson
Kohler
Mayberry
Rowell
Bowman
McCormick
]\Iunro
Sinclair
Clarke
McDonald
Proudfoot
Studholme— 20
Elliott
McQueen
Nats.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Eilber
Lennox
(Essex)
Ellis
Lucas
Armstrong
Fallis
McCrea
Beck
Ferguson
AfcFarlan
Bennewies
(Grenviue) McGarry
Black
Foy
McKeo^vn
Brewster
Eraser
^fcXauofht
Brower
Gooderham
McPherson
Carscallen
Grant
^facArthur
Chambers
Grigg
Macdiarmid
Champagne
Hanna
Machin
Cook
Hartt
Mathieu
Crawford
Hearst
Mil li wan
Dargavel
Hendrie
Mills
Devitt
Henry
Iforel
Donovan
Hogarth
Musgrove
Duff
Jamieson
Xesbitt
Dunlop
Jarvis
Xixon
Ebbs
Jessop
]^orman
Owens
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Schol field
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Slmooe)
Torrance
Yrooman
Whitesides — 72
22nd April. 1914
Paibs.
None.
And so it was declared in the negative.
Tiie nouse resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 169),
Tc ar.iend the Corporation Tax Act.
And the House having continued in Committee until Twelve of the Clofk
midnight.
Thursday, 23rd April, 1914.
The House continued in Committee, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
Thar the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amend-
ments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 196), intituled "An Act to amend the Power Commission Act
and to confirm certain Municipal By-laws and Contracts." Mr. Beck,
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time at the next Sittings of the
House To-day.
'^^r. "Richardson asked the following Question: —
1. What steps has the Government taken to carry out the suggestions made
by 'Sir. H. H. G. Acres in his report on the possibility of improving the general
regimen and flow characteristics of the Grand Biver. dated March 81st, 1913.
George V. 22nd April. 321
2. If any surveys or other investiiration has been initiated since ^Ir. Acres' re-
port, has the Government received any report with respect to the same. 3. Has
the Government any information as to the practicability of reducing the flood-
flow of the Grand River. 4. Has the Government received any request by
deputation, petition or otherwise, since xVugust, 1912, to deal with the situation
at the Grand River. 5. If so, what was the date of such request, and what form
did it take.
To which the Minister of Public Works replied as follows: —
1. The suggestions made in the report of Mr. Acres on the possibility
cl' improving the general regimen and flow characteristics of the Grand River,
dated March 31st, 1913, have been acted upon to the extent noted hereunder
in answer to questions 2 and 3. 2. The hydrographic investigations recom-
mended in Mr. Acres' report were begun in the month of June, 1913, and are
still being actively carried on. The recommended surveys of storage basins
were taken in the Fall of 1913 and are still in progress. The survey of the
most important basin below Elora has been completed and the survey of
another possible site in the neighborhood of Blair is nearing completion at the
present time. 3. In the Annual Report of the Hydro-Electric Power Com-
mission for 1913 is summarized and tabulated all the hydrographic data
collected up to October 31st, 1913. A considerable volume of additional
information will require to be obtained before any specific recommenda-
tions can be made as to the possible means of reducing the flood-flow
of the Grand River. 4. No. 5. Answered by No. 4.
Mr. Richardson asked the following Question: —
1. Was the Woodbine Hotel in the City of Toronto inspected for safety
appliances by any Inspector. If so, by whom, and what was the date of such
inspection. 2. Were the proprietors of the Woodbine Hotel License charged
with violating the Liquor License law on New Year's Eve. If so, who made
the charge. 3. Were the proprietors of the Woodbine Hotel convicted of
violating the Liquor License law on Xew Year's Eve. If so, what wa& the
date of the conviction, the amount of the fine, and the name of the convicting
Magistrate.
And the Provincial Secretary replied as follows: —
1. Yes. R. S. Burrows, License Inspector, January 25th, 1914; was
not then completed. 2. Yes. R. S. Burrows, License Inspector. 3. Yes;
23rd January, 1914; $40 and costs; Police Magistrate George T, Denison.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question
21- JOUR.
322 22nd April. 1914
1. Who are the present License Commissioners for the City of Toronto,
together with the dates of their appointments. 2. Is His Honour Judge Coats-
worth still Chairman of the Board of License Commissioners for the City of
Toronto. If so, why did he not retire when appointed to the Bench.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
Emerson Coabsworth, K.C. ; February 19th, 1908. Daniel Lamb; Febru-
ary 19th, 1908. Joachim Guinane, M.D..; April 14th, 1910.
Note. — There is nothing in the Act requiring the Judge to resign.
' Mr. Mayberry asked the following Question: —
How many prosecutions have been instituted against the proprietors of
the !McConkey license since the license was granted, and what convictions, if
any, have been made, together with the dates thereof.
And the Provincial Secretary replied in the words following: —
Two. January 9th, 1914. for allowing liquor to be consumed after hours;
February 25th, 1914, for keeping a disorderly house.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1915,
the following sums: —
29. To defray the expenses of Technical Education $155,300 00
30. To defray the expenses of Superannuated Teachers. . . . 60,650 00
31. To defray the expenses of Provincial University and Min-
ing Schools 42,200 00
32. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous Education .... 10,100 00
33. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the
Deaf, Belleville 69,760 00
George V. 22nd April. 323
34. To defray the expenses of the Ontario School for the
Blind', Brantford $50,772 00
35. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Brockville 156,202 00
36. To defrav the expenses of the Hos])ital for the Insane, ■
Cobourg 31,360 00
37. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Hamilton 216,854 00
38. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Kingston 134,690 00
39. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
London 201,950 00
40. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Mimico 132,735 00
41. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Feeble-
Minded, Orillia 116,852 00
42. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Penefangiiishene 71,856 00
43. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane,
Toronto 186,622 00
44. To defray the expenses of the Reception Hospital for the
Insane, Toronto 12,000 00
45. To defray the expenses of the Hospital for Epileptics,
Woodstock 50,616 00
46. To defray the expenses of the Ontario Reformatory, To-
ronto 106,240 00
47. To defray the expenses of the Industries, Ontario Reforma-
tory 104,400 00
48. To defray the expenses of the Andrew Mercer Reforma- •
tory for Females 37,940 00
82i 22nd April. 1914:
1
]\lr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported, That the Com-
mittee had come to several Resolutions ; also That the Committee had directed
him to ask for leave to sit again.
Ordered, That the Rcjiort be received To-day.
Besolved, That the Conimittoc have leave to sit again To-day.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House by Command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Department of Agriculture for the yea:- 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 29.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Agricultural College for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 30.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Veterinary College for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 31.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Agricultural and Experimental Union for
the year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 32.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Corn Growers' Association for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers ]^o. 35.)
Also — Report of the Entomological Society for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers A^o. 36.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Bee-Keepers' Association for the year 1913.
(SessioJial Papers No. 37.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Dairymen's Associatioi' for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 38.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Horticultural Societies for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 43.)
Also — Report of the Ontario Fruit Growers' Association for the year
1913. (Sessional Papers No. 44.)
Also — Report of the Inspectors of Factories for the Province of Ontario.
(Sessional Papers No. 46.)
George V. 22nd April. 325
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the Twenty-first day of April
instant for a Return of a Copy of the Letters, or Charter, of the ''Ontario
Homes Company, Limited," giving the Corporation license to promote a com-
pany for the purpose of engaging in. the business of the purchase of real estate
in manufacturing localities and showing what, if any, returns have been made
to the Department and if the company is still doing business. (Sessional
Papers No. 99.) > j
The House then adjourned at 1 a.m.
Thursday, April 23rd, 1914.
Prayers. ■ 2 O'Clock P.M.
Mr. Speaker communicated to the House, Report of the Librarian upon
the state of the Library. (Special Papers No. 52.)
Mr. Hanna, from the Select Committee to whom was referred Bill (l^o.
138), Respecting Representation of the People in the Legislative Assembly,
presented the following as their Report.
The Committee has carefully considered the Bill to them referred, and
report the same with Schedules containing and describing the several Elec-
toral Divisions entitled to return Members to this House.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 107), intituled "An Act to confimi the Revised Statutes of
Ontario, 1014, and to correct certain Clerical and Tyjwgraphical Errors
therein." Mr. Foy.
Ordered^ That the Bill be read the second time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (ISTo. 58), Respect-
ing the City of Peterborough, having been read,
Ordered. That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
320 23rd April. 1014
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr, Torrance
reported, That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 107), To pro-
vide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and Industrial
Diseases contracted in the course of their employment, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. McKeown
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 129), To Pro-
vide for the Appointment of a Fire Marshal for the Province of Ontario, hav-
ing been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
160). To amend the Ontario Insurance Act; and, after some time spent there-
in, ^rr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amend-
ments.
Ordered. That tho Amoiidmonts bo taken into consideration forthwith.
George V. 23rd April. 327
. — 1
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
165), To amend the Succession Duty Act, and after some time spent therein^
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported.
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any amend-
ment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 181),
To amend the Election Laws, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 190),
Eespeoting advertising of Agricultural Resources by Counties, and after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Eilber reported,
That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amend-
ments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 154),
To amend the Cemetery Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Owens reported. That the Committee had directed
him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 191),
To amend the Liquor License Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Pattinson reported. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
328 23bd Apuil. 1914
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time To-morrow.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
167), The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914, and, after some time spent
therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Torrance reported. That the
Committee had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit
again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again To-morrow.
The following Bills were severally read the second time: —
Bill (ISTo. 192), Eespecting the Public Construction and Operation of
Electric Railways.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill {'^0. 193), The Municipal Amendment Act, 1914.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morr.ow.
Bill (IS'o. 194), Respecting Auxiliary Classes.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 195), To amend the Ontario Telephone Act.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (ITo. 64), Respecting the City of Ottawa.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. 7), Respecting the Toronto Western Hospital.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (Xo. oO), Respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie.
George V. 23rd April. ' 329
— — f
Keferred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 179), To confirm By-law A^o. 339 of the Town of iS^orth Bay.
Keferred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
Bill (No. 189), Respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic Separate
School Board of North Bay.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House To-morrow.
The following Bill was read the second time : —
Bill (No. 39), Respecting the City of Ottawa.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House forthwith.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee, and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McGarry re-
ported, That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any
amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills : —
Bill (No. 49), To confirm certain By-laws of the Village of Weston.
Bill (No. 170), Respecting the City of Toronto.
Bill (No. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
Bill (No. 43), Respecting the Town of Cornwall and McGill Chairs,
Limited.
Bill (No. 44), Respecting the City of Brantford.
Bill (No. 56), Respecting the Town of Wallaceburg.
330 23kd April. 1914
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Torrance reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without Amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time To-
morrow.
On Motion of Mr. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Eetum showing: — 1.
All applications received by the Department for lots N"os. 32 and 33 in the
14th Concession of the Township of Laurier in the District of Parry Sound.
2. All correspondence with one Frank Evans with reference thereto. 3. All
applications received from the Algonquin Eanching Company or any other
company for the said lands for grazing purposes. 4. Copy of the lease, if any,
granted to the Algonquin Ranching Company. 5. The officers and directors
of the Algonquin Ranching Company and the Trout Creek Lumber Company.
Mr. Ferguson (Kent) asked the following Question: —
1. Has the City of Toronto paid to the Hydro-Electric Power Commission
their annual proportion of the following charges, or any of them: —
(a) Interest at the rate of four per cent, on the moneys expended by the
Commission on Capital Account, in the construction or purchase
of the Works;
(&) An annual sum sufficient to form in thirty years a sinking fund for
the retirement of the securities issued by the Province for the
payment of the cost of the Works ;
(c) Line loss, and cost of operating, maintaining, repairing, renewing
and insuring the Works.
And Mr. Beck replied in the words following: —
(a) Yes. (h) Xo. Payment of sinking fund has been deferred until
October 31st, 1914. (c) Yes.
Mr. Mayberry asked the following Question: —
1. Have all the municipalities receiving power from the Hydro-Electric
Commission paid the annual interest charge on their proportion of the moneys
George V. 23i{D April. 331
expended by the Province in the construction or purchase of the works, as
required by the agreements with the Commission. 2. Have all the munici-
palities of the Province receivina" power from the Hydro-Electric Commission
paid their proportion of line loss and cost of operating, maintaining, repairing,
renewing and insuring the works, as rcciuired by the agreements between the
Commission and these municipalities.
And Mr. Beck replied in the words following: —
1. Yes, all except municipalities connected within the year. 2. Same as
No. 1.
Mr. Anderson (Bruce) asked the following Question: —
1. Have any of the municipalities of the Province receiving power from
the Hydro-Electric Commission paid to the Commission their annual propor-
tion of the sinking fund, as required by the agreements between the said muni-
cipalities and the Hydro-Electric Power Commission. If so, which. 2. Have
all the municipalities of the Province receiving power from the Hydro-Electric
Commission paid to the Commission their annual proportion of the sinking
fund, as required by the agreements between the said municipalities and the
TTydro-Electric Power Commission.
And Mr. Beck replied as follows : —
1. Yes. all but those in the Niagara district and those connected within
the year. Payment of the sinking fund in the Niagara District has been de-
ferred until October 31st, 1914. 2. Same as No. 1.
And the Plouse having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
night,
Friday, 24th April.
The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into the Committee
of Supply.
(/n the Committee.)
Eesolrrd, That there be granted to His Majesty, for the services of 1915,
the following sums : —
49. To defray the expenses of the Agricultural and Horticul-
tural Societies $154,500 00
332
23rd April.
1914
50.
51.
52.
53.
54.
55.
56.
57.
58.
59.
60.
61.
62.
63.
64.
65.
&6.
67.
68.
69.
70.
71.
To defray the expenses of the Live Stock Branch
To defray the expenses of the Institutes
To defray the expenses of the Bureau of Industries....
To defray the expenses of the Dairy Branch
To defray .the expenses of the Fruit Branch
To defray the expenses of the Ontario Veterinary College.
To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous, Agriculture
To defray the expenses of the Ontario Agricultural College
To defray the expenses of Macdonald Institute and Hall. .
To defray the expenses of Forestry
To defray the expenses of the Animal Husbandry, Farm
and Experimental Feeding Department
To defray the expenses of Field Experiments
To defray the expenses of the Experimental Dairy Depart-
ment s
To defray the expenses of the Dairy School
To defray the expenses of the Poultry Department
To defray the expenses of the Pomology Department ....
To defray the expenses of the Landscape Gardening De-
partment
To defray the expenses. of the Apicultural Department. .
To defray the expenses of the Soil Physics Department.
To defray the expenses of the ^fechanical Department. .
To defray the expenses of Colonization and Immigration
To defray the expenses of Hospitals and Charities
$37,650 00
30,800 00
5,500 00
62,000 00
53,900 00
34,900 00
83,850 00
165,250 00
40,540 00
1,500 00
22,850 00
17,005 00
9,756 00
8,165 00
9,450 00
6,575 00
5,575 00
1,750 00
4,000 00
1,250 00
122,800 00
426,150 00
George V. 23rd Apeil. 333
72. To defray the expenses of Government House $30,050 00
73. To defray the expenses of Parliament and Department
Buildings 160,245 00
74. To defray the expenses of Osgoode Hall 20,417 00
75. To defray the expenses of Government House 100,000 00
76. To defray the expenses of Parliament Buildings 300 00
77. To defray the expenses of Osgoode 3all 19,800 00
78. To defray the expenses of Public Institution Buildings. . 407,300 00
79. To defray the expenses of Educational Buildings 10,300 0©
80. To defray the expenses of Agricultural Buildings 36,000 00
81. To defray the expenses of District Buildings 134,150 00
82. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous Buildings 150,000 00
83. To defray the expenses of Public Works 104,500 00
84. To defray the expenses of Colonization Roads 105,000 00
85. To defray the expenses of the Outside Service and Surveys 608,550 00
86. To defray the expenses of Mines and Mining . 99,200 00
87. To defray the expenses of the Parks 48,000 00
88. To defray the expenses of Education Refunds 1,500 00
89. To defray the expenses of Lands, Forests and Mines Re-
funds 25,000 00
90. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous Refunds 30,000 00
91. To defray the expenses of Succession Duty Refunds .... 36,000 00
92. To defray the expenses of Miscellaneous 660,170 00
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown reported. That the
Committee had come to several Resolutions.
334 23kd Apkil. 1914
Ordered, That the Keport be received at the next sittings of the House
To-daj.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House bj command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Eeport on the Feeble-Minded in Ontario for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers, No. 24.)
Also Export of the Bureau of Industries for the year 1913. {Sessional
Papers, No. 45.)
The House then adjourned at 12.35 a.m.
Friday, April 24th, 1914.
Prayers. 11 O'Clock A.M.
The following Petitions were severally brought up and laid upon the
Table:—
By Mr. Proudfoot, the Petition of R. McConnell and others of Landes-
boro', also the Petition of G. R. McMichael and others of Seaforth.
!Mr. Foy, from the Standing Committee on Legal Bills, presented their
Second Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your CoJ^^uiiittee have carefully considered Bill (No. 137), To Prohibit
Political Contributions by Corporations, License Holders and Public Con-
tractors, and have prepared certain amendments thereto.
Mr. Anderson (Essex), from the Standing Committee on Printing, pre-
sented their Second Report, which w^as read as follows: —
Your Committee recommend that the following Documents be printed: —
Further Supplementary Estimates for the year ending October 31st,
1914. (Sessional Papers No. 2.)
George V. 24th Apkil. 335
Estimates for the year ending October 31st, 1915. (Sessional Papers
No. 2.)
Eeport of the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines for the year 1913,
(Sessional Papers No. 3.)
Report of the Provincial Municipal Auditor for the year 1913. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 8.)
Report of the Commissioners of the Queen Victoria N^iagara Falls Park.
(Session<d Papers No. 9.)
Report on Highway Improvement in Ontario for the year 1913. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 15.)
Report of the Secretary and Registrar for the year 1913. (Sessional
Papers No. 19.)
Report of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities upon the Hos-
pitals for the Insane. (Sessional Papers No. 22.)
Report of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities upon the Hos-
pitals and Charitable Institutions. (Sessional Papers No. 25.)
Report of the Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities upon the Prisons
and Reformatories. (Sessional Papers No. 26.)
Report on Neglected and Dependent Children for the year 1913. (Ses-
sional Papers No. 27.)
Report on the Fruits of Ontario for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 33a.)
R«port of the Ontario Vegetable Growers' Association for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 34.)
Report of the Farmers' Institutes for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 40.)
Report of the Women's Institutes for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
No. 41.)
Report of the Agricultural Societies for the year 1913, and also of the
Convention of the Ontario Association of Fairs and Exhibitions. (Sessional
Papers No. 42.)
336 24th April. 19M
r \
Report of the Bureau of Archives for the year 1913. (Sessional Papers
Xo. 51.)
Copy of an Order-in-Council i-e Municipal Drainage Act. (^Sessiorial
Papers No. 85.)
Official Regulations for the Government of the Andrew Mercer Reforma-
tory. (Sessional Papers No. 90.)
pfficial Regulations ■ for the Government of the Hospitals and Public
Charities of Ontario. (^Sessional Papers No. 91.)
Official Regulations for the Government of the Common Gaols of On-
tario. (Sessional Papers No. 92.)
Official Regulations for the Government of Industrial Farms in Ontario.
(Sessio7iaJ Papers No. 93.)
Official Regulations for the Government of the Ontario Reformatory.
(Sessional Papers No. 94.)
' Official Regulations and Forms of the Ontario Hospitals for the Insane.
(Sessional Papers No. 95.)
Your Committee recommend that five thousand (5,000) copies of "Tele-
phone Systems," containing the Ontario Act and amendments thereto, and
extrgicts from Report of the Ontario Railway and Municipal Board for the
year 1913, be printed.
That one thousand (1,000) copies of the Municipal Drainage Act (Chap.
198, R.S.O.), be printed.
Your Committee recommend that the following documents be purchased
for distributions to the Members of the Legislative Assembly: —
One hundred and ten copies of "Young's History of Canada," at $4.50
per set of two volumes. (Subject to the approval of the Provincial Treasurer.)
Your Committee recommend that the following Documents be not
printed: —
Copies of correspondence re investigations of the Bilingual Schools in
Ontario. (Sessional Papers No. 86.)
Return re convictions for intoxication in Local Option Municipalities.
(Sessional Papers No. 89.)
George V. 24tii Apeil. 337
Report on the Distribution of the Revised and Sessional Statutes for the
year 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 96.)
Return re copies of Orders-in-Council passed under sec. 8 of the Power
Commission Act. (Sessional Papers No. 97.)
Return re withholding of Government Grants from Schools in Province.
(Sessional Papers No. 98.)
Mr. Anderson (Essex) moved,
That the Report be now concurred in.
Mr. Rowell moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
That the Report be not now concurred in, but that the same be amended
by providing that the Return re Grants to Public Schools (Sessional Papers
No. 98), be printed.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Main Motion, having been then again submitted, was carried and it
was
Resolved, That this House doth concur in the Second Report of the Stand-
ing Committee on Printing.
Mr. Eilber reported the following Resolutions from the Committee of
Supply :—
1. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand three hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Lieutenant-
Governor's Office for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
2. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight thousand eight hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His ^lajesty to defray the expenses of the Office of
tlie Prime Minister and President of the Council for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
22-JoiTE.
338 24th Apkil. 1914
3. Resolved. That a STim not exceeding; Seventy-six thonsand nine hundred
and seventj-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Attorney-General's Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
4. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-seven thousand eight hun-
dred and twenty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of the Education Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
5. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-six thousand
one hundred and seventy-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of the Lands, Forests and Mines Department for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
6. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and eighteen thou-
sand one hundred and fifty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of the Public Works Department for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
7. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-four thousand seven hundred
and four dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Treasury Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
8. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-two thousand four hun-
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Audit Office for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
9. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and twenty-eight
thousand one hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Provincial Secretary's Department for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
10. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eighty-four thousand two hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Depart-
ment of Agriculture for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
11. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-seven thousand four hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Factory
Inspection Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
12. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seven thousand one hundred
dollars be granted to His ]\Iajesty to defray the expenses of Stationary Engin-
eers for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
George V. 24tii April. 339
13. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twentj-one thousand seven hun-
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
14. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred and seven thou-
sand one hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Legislation for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
15. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ninety-six thousand three hun-
dred and fifteen dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
the Supreme Court of Ontario for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
16. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and ninety-five
thousand five hundred and eight dollars and sixty-six cents be granted to His
Majesty to defray the expenses of Sundry Civil and Criminal Justice for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
17. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and ninety-four
thousand four hundred and forty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to
defray the expenses of Administration of Justice in Districts for the year end-
ing 31st October, 1915.
18. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One million two hundred and
ninety-five thousand three hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty
to defray the expenses of Public and Separate School Education for the year
ending 31st October, 1915.
19. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-five thousand and twenty-
seven dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Normal
and Model Schools, Toronto, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
20. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-one thousand six hundred
and seventy-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Normal and Model Schools, Ottawa, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
21. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-eight thousand two hun-
dred and fifty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
the Normal School, London, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
22. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-three thousand eight
hundred and thirty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of the Normal School. Hamilton, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
23. Resolved, That a sum ot exceeding Twenty-four thousand four hun-
dred and five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Normal School, Peterborough, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
34a 24tk Apkil. 1914
24. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-three thousand two hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Normal
School, Stratford, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
25. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-one thousand nine hun-
dred and seventy dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
the Normal School, North Bay, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
26. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and eighty-three
thousand three hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of High Schools and Collegiate Institutes for the year ending 31st
October, 1915. "
27. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-two thousand four hun-
dred and twenty-eight dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of the Departmental Library and Museum for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
28. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-seven thousand eight
hundred and twenty-five dollars be granted to His ]\rajesty to defray the
expenses of Public Libraries, Art Schools, Historical, Literary and Scientific
Societies, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
29. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-five thou-
sand three hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Technical Education for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
30. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Sixty thousand six hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Superannuated
Teachers for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
31. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-two thousand two hundred
dollars be granted to His ^Majesty to defray the expenses of Provincial Univer-
sity and Mining Schools for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
32. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ten thousand one hundred dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Miscellaneous Education
for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
33. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Sixty-nine thousand seven hun-
dred and sixty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Ontario School for the Deaf, Belleville, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
34. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty thousand seven hundred
and seventy-two dollars be gi-anted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
The Ontario School for the Blind, Brantford, for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
George V. 24tii April. 341
35. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-six thou-
sand two hundred and two dollars bo granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of the Hospital for Insane, Erockville, for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
36. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-one thousand three hun-
dred and sixty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of The
Hospital for Insane, Cobourg, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
37. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and sixteen thou-
sand eight hundred and fifty-four dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Hospital for the Insane, Hamilton, for the year ending
31st October, 1915.
38. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and thirty-four
thousand six hundred and ninety dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Hospital for Insane, Kingston, for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
39. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Two hundred and one thousand
nine hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of the Hospital for Insane, London, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
40. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and thirty-two
thousand seven hundred and thirty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty 'to
defray the expenses of the Hospital for Insane, Mimico, for the year ending
31st October, 1915.
41. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and sixteen thou-
sand eight hundred and fifty- two dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Hospital for Feeble-Minded, Orillia, for the year ending
31st October, 1915.
42. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventy-one thousand five, hun-
dred and eighty-six dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
the Hospital for Insane, Penetanguishene, for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
43. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and eighty-six thou-
sand six hundred and twenty-two dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Hospital for Insane, Toronto, for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
44. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twelve thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Keception Hospital for the^
Insane, Toronto, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
:U2 24th April. 1914
45. Hesolred, That a sum not exceeding Fifty thousand six hundred and
sixteen dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Hospital
for Epileptics, Woodstock, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
46. Besolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and six thousand
two hundred and forty dollars be granted to His IMajesty to defray the expenses
of the Ontario Reformatory, Toronto, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
47. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and four thousand
four hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Industries, Ontario Reformatory, for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
48. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-seven thousand nine hun-
dred and forty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Andrew Mercer Reformatory for Females for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
49. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty-four thou-
sand five hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Agricultural and Horticultural Societies for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
50. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-seven thousand six hun-
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Live Stock Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
51. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty thousand eight hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Institutes for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
52. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand five hundred dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Bureau of Industries
for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
53. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Sixty-two thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Dairy Branch for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
54. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Fifty-three thousand nine hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Fruit
Branch for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
55. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-four thousand nine hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Ontario
Veterinary College for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
George V. 24Tir April. 343
56. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eighty-three thousand eight hun-
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Miscellaneous Agriculture for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
57. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and sixty-five thou-
sand two hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His ]\Iajesty to defray the
expenses of The Ontario Agricultural College for the year ending 31st October,
1915.
58. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty thousand five hundred and
forty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Macdonald
Institute and Hall for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
59. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand five hundred dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Forestry for the year
ending 31st October, 1915.
60. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-two thousand eight hun-
dred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Animal Husbandry, Farm and Experimental Feeding Department for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
61. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Seventeen thousand and five
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Field Experiments
for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
«
62. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Nine thousand seven hundred
and fifty-six dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Experimental Dairy Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
63. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Eight thousand one hundred and
sixty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Dairy
School for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
64. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Nine thousand four hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Poultry
Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
65. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six thousand five hundred and
seventy-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Pomology Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
66. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Five thousand five hundred and
seventy-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the
Landscape Gardening Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
144 24th April. 1914
67. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand seven hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Apicul-
tural Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
68. Resolved,, That a sum not exceeding Four thousand dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Soil Physics Department for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
69. Resolved,, That a sum not exceeding One thousand two hundred and
fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of the Mechanical
Department for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
70. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and twentj-two
thousand eight hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Colonization and Immigration for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
71. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and twenty-six
thousand one hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of Hospitals and Charities for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
72. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty thousand and fifty dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Government House for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
73. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and sixty thousand
two hundred and forty-five dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expenses of Parliament and Department Buildings for the year ending 31st
October, 1915.
74. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty thousand four hundred
and seventeen dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Osgoode Hall for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
75. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Government House for the
year ending 31st October, 1915.
76. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Three hundred dollars be granted
to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Parliament Buildings for the year
ending 31st October, 1915.
77. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Nineteen thousand eight hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Osgoode Hall for
the year ending 31st October, 1915.
78. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Four hundred and seven thousand
three hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Public Institutions Buildings for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
George V. 24x11 April. 345
Y9. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ten thousand three hundred
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Educational Build-
ings for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
80. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty-six thousand dollars be
granted to His iMajesty to defray the expenses- of Agricultural Buildings for
the year ending 31st October, 1915.
81. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and thirty-four
thousand one hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray
the expenses of the Districts Buildings for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
82. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and fifty thousand
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses" of Miscellaneous
Buildings for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
83. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and four thousand
five hundred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of
Public Works for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
84. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One hundred and five thousand
dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Colonization Roads
for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
85. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six hundred and eight thousand
five hundred and fifty dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses
of Outside Service and Surveys for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
86. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Ninety-nine thousand two hun-
dred dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Mines and
Mining for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
87. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Forty-eight thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Parks for the year ending
31st October, 1915.
88. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding One thousand five hundred dollars
be granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Education Refunds for
the year ending 31st October, 1915.
89. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Twenty-five thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Lands, Forests and Mines
Refunds for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
90. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirty thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Miscellaneous Refunds for
the year ending 31st October, 1915.
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1914
91. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Thirtj-six thousand dollars be
granted to His Majesty to defray the expenses of Succession Duty Refunds
for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
92. Resolved, That a sum not exceeding Six hundred and sixty thousand
one hundred and seventy dollars be granted to His Majesty to defray the
expense of Miscellaneous for the year ending 31st October, 1915.
The several Resolutions, having been read the second time, it was
Ordered, That the Third, Fourth, Eighteenth, Seventy-fifth and Ninety-
second Resolutions be ]^ostponed for further consideration.
The remaining Resolutions were concurred in.
The Third Resolution, respecting the Department of the Attorney-
General, having been again read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Bowman moved, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word ''That" be omitted
and the following substituted : " the Resolution be not now concurred in, but
that the same be recommitted to the Committee of Supply with instructions to
amend the same so as to show the amount already appropriated by Statute for
the Fiscal Year 1914-15."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division :
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Bowman
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
Clarke
McDonald
Munro
Sinclair — 18
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347
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Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
Lucas
Peck
(Essex)
(Grenviiie) ]\[eCrea
Preston
Benncwies
Foy
^IcElroy
(Durham)
Black
Eraser
^fcFarlan
Preston
B rower
Galna
]\rcGarry
(Lanark,
Cameron
Godfrey
]\rcKeo\vn
Pyne
Carscallen
Gooderham
]\racArthur
Pankin
Chamljers
Grant
Macdiarmid
Peaume
Champagne
Grigg
IMachin
Poss
Cook
Hanna
^^Lathiou
Shillington
Crawford
Kartt
^rilligan
Rtndholme
Dargavel
TTearst
:\rorei
Sulman
Devitt
Henry
Musgrove
Thompson
Duff
Hogarth
Ts^esbitt
(Peterboro)
Ebbs
Jamieson
i^ixon
Torrance
Ellis
Jarvis
Owens
Vrooman
Fallis
Lennox
Pattinson
Pairs.
N'one.
Whitesides— 63
The Resolution was then concurred in.
The Fourth Resolution, respecting the Education Department, having been
again read,
]\rr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
IMr. McQueen moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That the following words be added to the Resolution : — " This House de-
sires to assert the principle of Ministerial responsibility to this House of all
members of the Government for the work and conduct of their Departments,
and this House desires to protest against the unfair and unjust attack by the
Superintendent of Education upon one of the Honourable Members of the
House in respect of his legitimate work as a member of the House, in criticising
348 24th April. 1914
,
the work of the Department of Education ; and this House must hold the Hon-
ourable Minister of Education responsible for this breach of the privileges of
rhe members of the House."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division, and the
Resolution was then concurred in.
The Eighteenth Resolution, respecting the expenses of Public and Separate
School Education, having been again read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Rowell, moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That the following words be added to the Resolution : — " In view of the
action of the Government in withdrawing from the Legislature the control over
the finances of the Provincial University, this House has a peculiar claim upon
the Government for information and leadership in dealing with the finances
of the L^niversity, which the Chairman of the Board of Governors has declared
to be most serious, and that the University is facing a financial crisis. And
this House regTets that the Government had failed to submit to this House
proposals for dealing with the financial condition of the University, which was
disclosed, even to the public, more than a year ago."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division, and the
Resolution was then concurred in.
The Seventy-fifth Resolution, respecting the expenses of Government
House, having been again read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Sinclair moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. McQueen,
That the Motion be amended so as to read: — That the Resolution be not
now concurred in.
George V.
24Tir April.
349
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
- McQueen
Richardson
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Marshall
Rowell
Atkinson
Kohler
Mayberry
Sinclair
Bowman
McCormick
]\runro
Studholme— 17
Clarke
McDonald
Proudfoot
JSTays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(xodfrey
McXaught
(Essex)
rxooderham
]\rac Arthur
Bennewies
Grigg
Macdiarmid
B rower
Hanna
]\rachin
Cameron
Hartt
Mathieu
Crawford
Hearst
Milligan
Devitt
Hendrie
Morel
Duff
Henry
Musgrove
Ellis
Hogarth
i^esbitt
Ferguson
Lennox
[N^ixon
(GrenvUle)
Lucas
J^orman
Foy
McCrea
Owens
Fraser
McElroy
Pattinson
Galna
]\rcGarry
Peck
Pairs.
None.
Preston
(Durhaun)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Eeaume
Ross
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Pete^^-r•o)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides-
-51
The Resolution was then concurred in.
The I^inety-second Resolution, respecting the expenses of Miscellaneous,
having been again read,
Mr. Lucas moved,
That the Resolution be now concurred in.
Mr. Bowman moved in Amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
350 24TII Apkil. 1914
That all the words of the Motion after the first word ''That" be struck out
and the following substituted therefor : —
'' the Resolution be not now concurred in, but that the same be referred
back to the Committee of Supply with instructions to amend by inserting the
following note at the foot of the said item : — ' The above estimates do not in-
clude the expenditures for the year authorised by 'Statute, which for the fiscal
year 1912-13 amounted to $4,094,670.79. This sum will probably be exceeded
for the year 1914-15.' "
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division, and the
Resolution was then concurred in.
The House according to order resolved itself into the Committee of Ways
and Means.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That there be granted out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of
this Province a sum not exceeding Seventeen millions seven hundred and
twenty-four thousand one hundred dollars and seventy cents ($17,724,100.70),
to meet the Supply to that extent granted to His Majesty.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Ferguson (Grenville) reported,
That the Committee had come to a Resolution: —
Ordered, That the Report be received forthwith.
Mr. Ferguson (Grenville), from -the Committee on Ways and Means,
reported a Resolution which was read as follows: —
Resolved, That there be granted out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund
of this Province, a sum not exceeding Seventeen millions seven hundred and
twenty-four thousand one hundred dollars and seventy cents ($17,724,100.70),
to meet the Supply to that extent granted to His Majesty.
The Resolution, having been read a second time, was agreed to.
The following Bill was then introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (Xo. 198), intituled "An Act for granting to His Majesty certain
sums of money to defray the expenses of Civil Government for the year end-
George V. 24th Apkil. 351
I — ■ ■
ing 31st October, One thousand nine hundred and fourteen, and for the year
ending 31st day of October, One thousand nine hundred and fifteen, and for
other purposes therein mentioned." Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the second time forthwith.
The Bill was then read a second time.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee, severally to consider the
following Bills: —
Bill (No. 64), Kespecting the City of Ottawa.
Bill (No. 50), Eespecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie.
Bill (No. 179), To confirm By-law No. 389 of the Town of North Bay.
Bill (No. 189), Respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic Separ-
ate School Board of North Bay.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported. That the
Committee had directed him to report the several Bills without Amendments.
Ordered, That the Bills reported, be severally read the third time on
Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 7),
Respecting the Toronto Western Hospital, and, after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
352 24th April. 1914
, __ J
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 45),
Respecting the City of Toronto, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 194),
Respecting Auxiliary Schools, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Eilber reported. That the Committee had directed
him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into" a Committee to consider Bill (No. 135),
For the better prevention of Ticket Speculation, and after some time spent
therein, Mr, Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McNaught reported, That
the Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 105),
To amend the Registry Act, and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported. That the Committee had
directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered. That the provisions of the Bill be embodied with those of Bill
(No. 157), To amend the Registry Act.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 84),
To amend the Public Utilities Act, and, after some time spent therein, Mr.
George V. 24th Apkil. 353
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Donovan reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 81), To amend
the Mining Act of Ontario, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eilber reported,
That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 88), Respecting
Radium, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Eilber reported.
That the Committee had amended the Bill as direoted.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Monday next.
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Pyne,
Resolved, That when this House adjourns To-day, it do stand adjourned
until Three of the Clock in the afternoon of Monday, the Twenty-seventh day
23-JouR.
354 24tii axd 27th April. 1914
of April instant, instead of the hour of Eleven of the Clock in the forenoon, as
jirovided in the Resolution of the Twenty-second instant.
!Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Report of the Ontario Railway and Municipal Board for the year 1913.
(Sessional Papers No. 49.)
x\lso — Return to an Order of the House of the 16th April, 1914, for a
Return showing : — The quantity of settlers' effects delivered over the T. & N. O.
Railway at ]N^ew Liskeard and Cochrane, respectively, and carried as such under
the regulations of the said Railway, for the financial year ending October 31st,
1913. (Sessional Papers No. 100.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 17th February, 1913, for
a Return of: Copies of all correspondence fbetween Bishop Fallon, of London,
and the Provincial Secretary, the Minister of Public Works or any Member of
the Government regarding the Bilingual Schools in the Province of Ontario,
jgince the first day of May, 1910. {Sessional Papers No. 101.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 26th February, 1913, for
a Return of Copies of all correspondence between Bishop Scollard, of Sault
Ste. Marie, and the Government, regarding the Bilingual Schools of the Pro-
vince of Ontario, since the first day of March, 1907. (Sessional Papers No,
102.)
The House then adjourned at 5.45 p.m.
Monday, April 37th, 1914.
Prayebs. 3 O'CLOCK P.M.
The following Petitions were severally read and received : —
Of R. McConnell and others of Londesboro ; also, of G. R. McMichael and
others of Seaforth, severally praying for the repeal of the Stallion Enrolment
and Inspection Act.
George V. 27th April. 355
. — — 1
The following Bills were severally read the third time and passed: —
Bill (iio. 81), To amend the Alining Act of Ontario.
Bill (No. 88), Eespecting Radium.
Bill (No. 110), To amend the Forest Fires Prevention Act.
Bill (No. 157), To amend the Registry Act.
Bill (No. 129), To provide for the appointment of a Fire Marshal for
the Province of Ontario.
Bill (No. 58), Respecting the City of Peterboro.
Bill (No. 178), The District Representation Act.
Bill (No. 35), Respecting the Township of York.
Bill (No. 32), Respecting the Orphans' Home of the City of Ottawa.
Bill (No. 93), To incorporate the Town of Bala.
Bill (No. 172), To amend the Provincial Loans Act.
Bill (No. 176), To amend the Tile Drainage Act.
»
Bill (No. 184), For the protection of Pure Bred Cattle.
Bill (No. 171), For Raising Money on the Credit of the Consolidated
Revenne of Ontario.
Bill (No. 68), Respecting the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Com-
pany.
Bill (No. 173), Respecting the Town of Oakville.
Bill (No. 96), To confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Orillia.
Bill (No. 134). Respecting the Town of Pembroke.
Bill (No. 95), Respecting the City of Gnelph.
Bill (No. 94), Respecting the Town of Bowmanville.
Bill (No. 63), Respecting the Ontario West Shore Railway Company.
35 G 27th AriiiL. 1914
Lill (^Xo. 55), Respecting the [Niagara Falls, Welland aud Diumville
Electric Railway Company.
Bill (Xo. 109), Respecting the Morrisburg aud Ottawa Electric Railway
Company.
Bill (Xo. 109), To amend the Corporation Tax Act.
Bill (Xo. 48), To consolidate the Floating Debt of the Town of Aylmer.
Bill (Xo. 10), To authorize the Law Society of Upper Canada to admit
James George Guise-Bagley as a Student in his final year.
Bill (Xo. 59), To confirm a Mortgage made by the Young Men's Christian
Association of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the Canada Life Assurance
Company.
Bill (Xo. 60), Respecting the City of St. Catharines.
Bill (Xo. 108), To confirm a certain Agreement and By-laws of the Town
of Trenton.
Bill (Xo. 153), Respecting the Town of Wiarton and Canada Casket
Company, Limited.
Bill (Xo. 190), Rspecting advertising of Agricultural Resources by
Counties.
Bill (Xo. 154), To amend the Cemetery Act.
Bill (Xo. 49), To confirm certain By-laws of the Village of Weston.
Bill (Xo. 170), Respecting the City of Toronto.
Bill (Xo. 97), Respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
Bill (Xo. 43), Respecting the Town of Cornwall and McGill Chairs,
Limited.
Bill (Xo. 44), Respecting the City of Brantford.
Bill (Xo. 56), Respecting the Town of Wallaceburg.
Bill (Xo. 135), For the Better Prevention of Ticket Speculation.
Bill (Xo. 50), Respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie.
Bill (Xo. 179), To confirm By-law Xo. 339 of the Town of Xorth Bay.
George V. 27th April. 357
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 162), To amend
the Ontario Game and Fisheries Act, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The Honse accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. McPherson
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be road the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 186), The Berlin
and Waterloo High School Act, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McXaught
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (Xo. 166), To amend
the Surrogate Courts Act, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 137),
To prohibit Political Contributions by Corporations, License Holders and
Public Contractors, and after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed
the Chair ; and Mr. McNaught reported. That the Committee had directed him
to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
358 27Tir April. 1914
J — .
The Amendments, havinfjj been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (TCo. 195),
To amend the Ontario Telephone Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McPherson reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the x\mendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (iSTo. 181), To amend
the Ontario Elections Laws, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown
reported, That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill he read the third time To-morrow.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Hill (Xo. 177), Respecting
the City of Ottawa, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (No. 182), To amend
the Ontario Insurance Act, R.S.O., 1914, having been read,
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be withdrawn.
George V. 27th April. • 359
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 138),
Respecting Representation of the People in the Legislative Assembly.
And the House having continued in Committee until Twelve of the Clock,
midnight.
Tuesday, 28th April, 1914.
The Committee continued to sit and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. McKeown reported, That the Committee
had direct/ed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next sit^tings of the
House To-day.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 193),
The Municipal Amendment Act, 1914, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Eil'ber reported. That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next Sittings of the
House To-day.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 150),
To amend the Motor Vehicles Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Eilber reported, That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
160 ' 27th April. 1914
The Order of the day for the third reading of Bill (No. 147), Respect-
ing the Purchase of Timber Limits of the Pembroke Lumber Company hav-
ing been read,
Mr. Hearst moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Bowman moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by striking out the figures $185,000 in the twelfth line of
the Preamble of the said Bill, and the figures $185,000 in the seventh line
of Section 1 thereof, and inserting in each case the figures $25,000.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put was carried
on a Division, and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 180), To amend
the Ontario Stallion Act, having been read,
Mr. Duff moved.
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Anderson (Bruce) moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Richard-
son,
That all the words of the Motion after the word *'That" be omitted and
the following substituted : "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by inserting a provision that the Council of any County
may pass a by-law in the manner provided by the Municipal Act, providing
that this Bill and also the Ontario Stallion Act, Rev. Stat. R.S.O. 1914, Chap.
249, shall not be applicable to any County in which such by-law is passed.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put, was carried
and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
George V. 27th April. 361
On Motion of Mr. Foy, seconded by Mr. Ilanna,
Resolved, That when this House adjourns this morning, it do stand ad-
journed until Eleven of the Clock A.M. To-day.
Mr. Sinclair asked the following Question : —
1. What was the date of the commencement of the construction of the
Niagara River Boulevard roadway. 2. Has the said roadway been completed
and, if so, what was the date of the completion. 3. What is the mileage of the
said roadway. 4. What was the total estimated cost of the said roadway at the
time construction was commenced. 5, What has been the actual cost of the
said roadway.
To which the Minister of Public Works replied in the words following : —
1. The Niagara River Boulevard roadway was commenced with the con-
tract for Section No. 1 of said roadway in August, 1908. 2. The said roadway
was completed as far as its present terminus at the north limit of the Village
of Bridgeburg in December, 1913. 3. The length of the said roadway is 15.55
miles. 4. The total estimated cost of the said roadway at the time construction
was commenced was $194,881.41. 5. The actual cost of the said roadway, in-
cluding drainage, is $205,664.10.
Mr. Munro asked the following Question : —
1. When were the negotiations opened between the Government and the
Pembroke Lumber Company for the sale by the Pembroke Lumber Company
of their rights to the timber now proposed to be purchased from them. 2. Who
represented the Pembroke Lumber Company and the Government, respectively,
in such negotiations. 3. Who represented the Government and the Pembroke
Lumber Company, respectively, in the completion of the negotiations for the
sale to the Government at the price or sum of $185,000 ; and what was the date
on which the arrangement was concluded.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied as follows : —
1. In the year 1911. 2. The Honourable Frank Cochrane; the Govern-
ment; Mr. E. A. Dunlop; the Pembroke Lumber Co. 3. The Secretary of the
Pembroke Lumber Company sent in an option for $185,000.00 to the Honour-
able Mr. Hearst. Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines, dated the 12t.h of
January, 1914.
362 27th April. 1914
Mr. Bowman asked the following Question : —
1. At what date did the Government decide to sell the timber in the Town-
ships of Thistle and McWilliams, which was subsequently purchased by the
George Gordon Company, in the month of October, 1913. 2. Why was the
said timber sold subject to a lump-sum bonus instead of a bonus on the basis
of !-o much i)er thousand feet. And what was the date on which the Govern-
meni decided to sell it subject to such lump-sum bonus. 3. Was any applica-
tion or applications made to the Government to put up the timber in the Town-
ships of Thistle and McWilliams for sale prior to its actual sale. If so, what
was the date or dates of any such application or applications, and the name or
names of the applicant or applicant^.
And the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines replied in the words fol-
lowing : —
1. In April, 1913, it was determined to sell the pine timber in the Town-
ships of Thistle and McWilliams purchased at the sale by The H. H. Hettler
Lumber Company, The Georgian Bay Lumber Company, and Messrs. George
Gordon & Company. 2. The Government, after full consideration of all the
circumstances, including the risk from fire to w^hich the berths mentioned in
paragraph 1 were exposed, deemed it in the public interest to sell said berths
for a cash bonus subject to dues and ground rent greatly in advance of those
ordinarily charged, to wit: $5 per thousand feet board measure for sawlogs,
$100 per thousand feet cubic for square timber, and the sum of $10 per square
mile for ground rent. The Order in Council authorizing the sale is of date
the 21st of August, 1913. 3. There was no application from anyone to have
the pine timber put up for sale.
On Motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
What consideration was paid by the licensee to the Government in respect of
the issue of the original licenses respectively, of the territory included within
the proposed agreement with the Pembroke Lumber Company. 2. How much
was paid by the Pembroke Lumber Company for these licenses respectively at
the date of the purchase thereof by them. 3. What amounts of pine, hemlock,
cedar, spruce, hardwood and other timber respectively have been cut on the
limits or areas covered by the proposed agreement and returned to the Depart-
ment as so cut by the Pembroke Lumber Company in each of the years since the
purchase thereof by them.
George V. 27tii and 28th April. 363
On Motion of Mr. Kichardson, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. If
the Government granted the right to cut Pine or any other timber to Messrs.
Foley Bros., Contractors, or to the iSTorthern Construction Company, Limited,
or to any person, firm or company in connection with the construction of the
Canadian Northern Railway Company in the vicinity of Duchesne Lake,
situate about 90 miles from the Town of Sudbury. 2. If so, to what persons,
firms or companies were such permits made, and the dates of each. 3. What
consideration did the Government receive with respect to each of the said
permits, if any. 4. What Pine or other timber has been cut to date by each
of the persons, firms or companies with respect to such permits. 5. How long
was the right to cut to last, and over what extent of land ; and what were the
other terms or conditions upon which such permits were made, if any. 6.
'NATiat was the date of the completion of the construction of the Canadian
Northern Railway at this point. 7. What amount of timber has been cut by
any person, firm or company to whom such permit, as mentioned, has been
made. 8. Is any person, firm or company at the present time cutting timber
pursuant to such permit.
The House then adjourned at 1.50 a.m.
Tuesday, April 28th, 1914.
Prayers. 11 O'Clock A.M.
]\Ir. Lucas, from the Standing- Committee on Private Bills, presented
their Thirteenth Report, which was read as follows and adopted: —
Your Committee beg to report the following Bill without amendment: —
Bill (Xo. 54), An Act confirming By-law Xo. 5 for the year 1913, of the
Township of Crowland.
Mr. Foy, from the Standing Committee on Legal Bills, presented their
Third Report, which was read as follows and adopted : —
Your Committee have carefully considered the following Bills and have
prepared certain amendments thereto respectively: —
Bill (Xo. 136). To amend the Ontario Election Act; and
364 28th April. 1914
Ijill (Xo. 1ST), To amend the Ontario Companies Act.
Your Committee also carefully considered Bill (No. 8G), To Prohibit
Political Contributions by Corporations, Certain Associations and Government
Contractors, and embodied such of the provisions thereof as were approved by
Your Committee in Bill (jSTo. 137), To Prohibit Political Contributions by Cor-
porations, License Holders and Public Contractors, heretofore reported by
Your Committee.
Mr. Ferguson (Grenville), from the Standing Committee on Public Ac-
counts, presented their Eeport, which was read. (Appendix No. 1.)
The following Bill was read the second time: —
Bill (No. 196), To amend the Power Commission Act and to confirm
certain Municipal By-laws and Contracts.
Referred to a Committee of the Whole House forthwith.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee, and after some
time spent therein, ^Ir. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and IMr. Brewster re-
ported. That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any
amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 192),
Respecting the Public Construction and Operation of Electric Railways, and
after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr.
Brewster reported. That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill
without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (Xo. 85),
To amend the Assessment Act, and after some time spent therein, ]\rr. Speaker
resumed the Chair; and Mr. McGarry reported, That the Committee had
directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
George V. 28tk April. 365
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The following Bill was read the second time: —
Bill (Xo. 54), To confirm Bv-law Xo. 5, 1913, of the Township of Crow-
land.
Keferred to a Committee of the Whole House forthwith.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee and after some
time spent therein. Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McGarry re-
ported. That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any
amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The following Bills were severally read the third time and passed : —
Bill (Xo. 194). Respecting Auxiliary Classes.
Bill (Xo. 45), Respecting the City of Toronto.
Bill (Xo. 64), Respecting the City of Ottawa.
Bill (Xo. 189), Respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic Separ-
ate School Board of Xorth Bay.
Bill (Xo. 140), To amend the Industrial Schools Act.
Bill (Xo. 84), To amend the Public Utilities Act.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of Bill (Xo. 120), To
amend the Judicature Act, having been read,
Mr. Proudfoot moved,
That the Bill be now read the second time.
366
28th April.
1914
And the Motion, having been put, was lost on a Division.
And so it was declared in the Negative.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (Xo. 107), To provide
for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries sustained and Industrial Diseases
contracted in the course of their employment, having been read,
^Ir. Lucas moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word ''That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by making suitable provision for proper medical attendance
in the case of all injured persons, commonly known as First Aid."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading having been again pnt,
Mr. Proudfoot moved, in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituteH : "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Section 48 by adding the words 'for a period of ten years' after the
word 'behaviour' in the second line of the said Section."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McCormick
McQueen
]\Iageau
Marshall
Mayberry
]\[unro
Proudfoot
Racine
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 17
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28th April.
367
Nays.
Messieurs
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Beck
Black
Brewster
Brower
Cameron
Carscallen
Chambers
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Jessop
Lucas
McCrea
McDonald
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Mac Arthur
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Milligan
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
Nesbitt
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Ivankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 74
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading, having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word ''That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by striking out Schedule 2 of the said Bill, and trans-
ferring all the industries enumerated in Schedule 2 to Schedule 1 thereof ; and
to make such further amendments to the said Act as the said change may
render necessary."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put, was carried
and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
368 28th Apkil. 1914
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 155), To amend
the Factory, Shop and Office Building Act, having been read,
Mr. Duff moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. McQueen moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
That all the words of the Motion after the word ^'That" be omitted, and
the following substituted : ''the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by adding thereto as section 7 thereof the following: —
" 7. Section 38 of the said Act is amended by adding thereto the follow-
ing subsections as 38a and 385 thereof : —
" 38a. No employer shall take into his employment any child, youth or
young girl under the age of 15 years who cannot produce a certificate from the
principal of the school which such youth, child or young girl last attended or
from the school inspector of the municipality in which the employer carries on
his business certifying ithat such child, youth or young girl is able to read at
sight and write legibly simple sentences in prose and has such other educational
qualifications as may be prescribed by regulations to be passed by the Lieutenant-
Governor in Council.
" 386. In case a child, youth, young girl or woman appears to the Inspector
to be physically unable to perform the work upon which he or she is engaged
or if it appears to the Inspector that such work is or is likely to prove harmful
to his or her health the Inspector shall have power to prohibit the employment
of any such person until there is produced to him a certificate signed by a duly
qualified physician that such person is physically capable of performing the
work at which he or she is engaged and that the work is not harmful to his or
her health."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost upon the following Divi-
sion : —
Yeas.
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 19
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Marshall
Atkinson
Kohler
Bowman
McCormick
Mayberry
Clarke
McDonald
Munro
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28th April.
369
Nays.
Messieurs
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
Brower
Cameron
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber.
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenvlUe)
Fov
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Milligan
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
Nesbitt
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 71
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading, having been then again put,
Mr. McQueen moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by adding thereto as section 7 thereof the following: —
" 7. Subsection (a) of section 17 of said Act is hereby amended by adding
the words 'provided no less than four female Inspectors shall be appointed.' "
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division :
24-jorR.
370
28th April.
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Ferguson •
(Kent)
Kohler
McQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Bowman
Clarke
McCormick
McDonald
Mayberry
Munro
1914
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 19
jSTays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bssex)
Armstrong
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
B rower
Cameron
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenvlUe)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Milligan
]\rills
Morel
Musgrove
I^esbitt
l^orman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
^^^litesides— 71
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. McQueen moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by adding thereto the following as section 7 thereof: —
George V.
28tji April.
371
" 7. Section 32 of the said Act is liereby amended by striking out sub-
section (a) thereof and substituting the following subsection: —
'' {a) ' No child shall be employed for more than eight hours in one day;
no youth or young girl shall be employed for more than nine hours in one day ;
and no woman shall be employed for more than ten hours in one day, unless
a ditferent apportionment of the hours of labour per day has been made for the
sole purpose of giving a shorter day's work on such day of the week as may be
arranged ; nor shall any child be so employed for more than 48 hours, nor any
youth or young girl for more than 54 hours, nor any woman for more than 60
hours in any one week.' "
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division :
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme — 19
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Bowman
McCormick
Mayberry
Clarke
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McCrea
Armstrong
(Simcoe)
McElroy
Beck
Ferguson
McFarlan
Bennewies
(GrenviUe)
McGarry
Black
Foy
McKeowu
Brewster
Eraser
McNaught
Brower
Gain a
McPherson
Cameron
Gooderham
Machin
Champagne
Grant
Mason
Crawford
Grigg
Mathieu
Dargavel
Hanna
Milligan
Devitt
Harti
Mills
Donovan
Hearst
Morel
Duff
Hendrie
Musgrove
Dunlop
Henry
Xesbitt
Ebbs
Hogarth
Norman
Eilber
Jamieson
Owens
Ellis
Jarvis
Pattinson
Fallis
Lucas
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro;)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 71
Pairs.
None.
372
28th April,
i'Jl4
The Motion for the third read ins;, haviiiii' been then a.^ain i)nt. was car-
ried, and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 136),
To amend the Ontario Election Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr,
Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Preston (Durham), reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the provisions of the Bill be embodied with those of Bill
(Xo. 181), To amend the Election Laws.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (^N^o. 193), The
Municipal Amendment Act, 1914, having been read,
Mr. Ha una moved.
That the Bill be now read the third time.
^Ir. Studholme moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the followino- substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, bitt be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by providing that if it is made to appear to the Railway and
Municipal Board on the application of the Council, that it would be in the
interest of the Municipality that the By-law should be submitted on some other
day, the Board may order that the By-law be submitted on a day named in the
order and it shall be the duty of the Council to submit the By-law in accord-
ance with the order."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following Division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
CBruce)
Atkinson
Bowman
Clarke
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohlor
McCormick
McDonald
MelSTaught
]\rcQueen
jNlageau
^farshall
]M ay berry
Munro
Racine
Richardson
Sinclair
Studholme — 18.
George V.
28th April.
373
Nays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Essex)
Beck
Black
Brewster
B rower
Cameron
Carscallen
Chambers
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Dimlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Godfrey
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hanna
Hartt
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Jessop
McCrae
McElroy
McFarlan
]\[cGarry
McKeowu
McPherson
jNfacArthur
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Milligan
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
Kesbitt
Norman
Pattinson
Peck
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Proudfoot
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Russ
Rowell
Scholfield
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 67
Pairs.
None.
The Member for the North Riding of Bruce rising in his place, made to the
House the following statement: —
T, Charles Martin Bowman, a member of the Legislature for the elec-
toral district of North Bruce in the Province of Ontario, Dominion of Canada,
declare: —
That I am credibly informed and believe that I can establish by satis-
factory evidence the following facts: —
1. That in the month of January; 1914, the question of the adoption of
"The Canada Temperance Act," commonly known and hereafter referred to
as the '^Scott Act," was submitted to the electors of the Counties of Welland,
Huron and Peel respectively, and the vote on the said question was taken in
the said counties on the 29th day of January, 1914. For some weeks prior to
the said vote an active campaign was carried on in the said counties, both by
those in favour and those opposed to the adoption of the Scott Act in the said
counties.
:;74- 28th April. 1914
■2. The organized J.iquor Interests of the Province of Ontario considered
it of the utmost importance to them as well as to the men eniyagcd in the
''Trade" in these counties that tlie Scott Act should be defeated in the said
counties; for not only would tlie adoption of the Act in the said counties wipe
out litpior licenses, but thev thought it might lead to a general movement for
the adojuion of the Scott Act throughout the l*rovince of Ontario, By reason
of the importance which the Li(pior Interests attached to the said contests
they raised and. expended the sum of $<iO,000 or thereabouts in the said coun-
ties to procure the defeat of the Scott Act. and they ]^rocured to be formed
strong organizations in each of the said counties to work for the defeat of the
Scott Act. As the said contests develo])ed the Liquor Interests became in-
creasingly concerned about the situation in the said counties, and appealed to
the Provincial Secretary for assistance to help procure the defeat of the Scott
Act in the said counties.
3. The Liquor Interests, through its organization, or organizations, had
supported the Government in the bye-elections in the Province of Ontario, and
had contributed or expended substantial sums of money to help secure the
election of the Government candidates in snch bye-elections, and had given the
Government or some member or members of the Government assurances that in
the next general election they would suppont the Government. The organized
Liquor Interests had decided to raise very large sums to procure the election
of candidates who would support the Government and oppose the policy of
the Aboliticm of the Bar; and they had already' raised a very large and sub-
stantial sum for such purpose. By reason of the assistance which the organized
Liquor Interests had given the Government candidates in the bye-elections, and
by reason of the assurances of support in the approaching general election given
to the Government or a member or members thereof, it was agreed between the
Provincial Secretary and the Liquor Interests, through their representative,
or representatives, that the Government or some member thereof would co-
operate with the organized Liquor Interests to procure the defeat of the Scott
Act in the said three counties.
4. Pursuant to the understanding and agreement above set forth, it was
arranged between the Provincial Secretary and the said representative, or repre-
sentatives, of the organized Liquor Interests that a statement should be pre-
pared which should set forth the alleged weaknesses of the Scott Act as com-
pared with Local Option, and that this statement should be used to persuade
Conservative Temperance men that it was not in the interests of Temperance
to support the Scott Act and such statement was prepared by officials of the
License Branch of the Provincial Secretary's Department, in consultation with
the representative of the organized Liquor Interests.
5. In further pursuance of the understanding and agreement above set
forth, Mr. William K. Snider, Provincial License Inspector, whose duties were
George V. 28tii April. S'TS
to inspect the accommodation and equipment of the hotels in the Province of
Ontario, was sent by the Provincial Secretary to the Counties of Welland,
Huron and Peel and instructed to take with him this statement and interview
leaders of the Conservative Party in the said counties and Conservatives promi-
nent in the Temperance cause, and endeavour to persuade them to assist in pro-
curing the defeat of the Scott Act.
6. In order to assist the said William K. Snider in his work and to further
the object and arrangements arrived at between the Provincial Secretary and
the organized Liquor Interests, he, the Provincial Secretary, caused the said
statement so prepared to be handed to the Press for publication on the distinct
understanding that it should not be published as coming from the Government,
and this course was taken by the Provincial Secretary as the Govemment
wished to maintain outwardly the attitude of sympathy with the Temperance
cause.
7. The said Snider, acting under the authority and instructions of the
Provincial Secretary, visited the County of Welland on the 26th and 2Yth
days of January, 1914, and while there, spent some time at Ridgeway, Stevens-
ville. and the Town of Welland in his efforts to carry out the instructions he
had received to endeavour to procure the defeat of the Scott Kci. In carrying
out the instructions so received from the Provincial Secretary, the said Snider
called upon or interviewed prominent parties whose names appear in the records
of the Legislative Assembly and others. The said Snider, in his capacity as
License Inspector, in interviewing the said parties, made clear the object of
his visit, namely, to procure the defeat of the Scott Act, and stated to them or
some of them that he was in the said county representing the Government, and
that the Government or members thereof desired the defeat of the Scott Act;
and to such of the said parties as were favourable to the adoption of the Scott
Act, he represented the difficulties there would be in enforcing it, and
endeavoured to persuade them that it was not in the interests of Temperance
to carry the Scott Act.
8. The said William K. Snider, acting under the authority and instruc-
tions of the Provincial Secretary, visited the Coun-ty of Huron on the ^ord.
24th and 25th days of January, 1914, and while there spent some time at
several places in the said county in his efforts to carry out the instructions he
had received to help to procure the defeat of the Scott Act in the said county.
In carrying out the instructions so received from the Provincial Secretary, the
said Snider called upon or interviewed prominent parties whose names appear
in the records of the Legislative Assembly and others. The said Snider, in
interviewing the said parties, made clear to them the object of his visit, namely
to endeavour to procure the defeat of the Scott Act, and stated to them, or
some of them, that he was in the said county representing the' Department of
the Provincial Secretary, and that the said Department desired the defeat of
376 28th Apkil. • 1914
the Scott Act; and to such of the said parties as were favourable to the adoption
of the Scott Act, he represented the difficulties there would be in enforcing it,
and endeavoured to persuade them that it was not in the interests of Temper-
ance to carry the said Act.
9. The said Snider went to the County of Peel on the 23rd January,
1914, and while there visited Brampton and interviewed prominent persons
whose names appear in the records of the Legislative Assembly, and he
explained to the said parties the object of his visit, and that he had been sent
by the said Department to assist in procuring the defeat of the Scott Act in
the said county.
10. Prior to the vote being taken on the said Scott Act in the said
counties, complaint was made to the Government with respect to the actions
and representations of Mr. Snider; and on the 27th day of January. 1914,
the Provincial Secretary gave to the Press for publication the following state-
ment in reference to the alleged appearance of Mr. Snider in Welland and the
representations alleged to have been made by him there: — " I know Mr. Snider,
but I do not happen to know where he -is at present. If Mr. Snider said any
such thing he said it without the authority or the knowledge of the Depart-
ment. The Mr. Snider I know would never say any such thing. Such state-
ments entirely misrepresent the Department, the Government, and the
Conservative Party." The said sta«tement made to the Press by the Provincial
Secretary I believe was not correct in substance or in fact, and the said Pro-
vincial Secretary was well aware, T verily believe, that the said Snider had
gone to Welland and that he had gone there at his (the Provincial Secretary's)
request, and for the purpose of helping to procure the defeat of the Scott Act.
11. When it became public that the man who had visited the County of
Welland was Mr. W. K. Snider, the Provincial License Inspector, the Pro-
vincial Secretary gave an interview to a representative of the Press, and the
following further statement was published in the Mail and Empire of
February 7th : — " Mr. Snider was in Welland before the date of the election,"
said Mr. Hanna, " and as he himself says, he was without instructions from
myself or the Department. Mr. Snider explained to me that this visit was
made in the regular performance of his duties, which constantly keep him
moving throughout the Province." The said statement, so made to the Press,
I believe, was not correct in substance or in fact, but on the contrary, I believe
the Provincial Secretary sent the said W. K. Snider to the said counties ; and
I believe the said W. K. Snider, in the representations and work he did in
the said counties, was acting at the request and upon the instructions of the
Provincial Secretary.
I charge that an agreement or understanding was corruptly and improperly
made between the Provincial Secretary, acting in and for his Department,
George V. 28th April.
and as such representing the Government; and the organized Liquor Interests
of the Province of Ontario as represented by its organizations and represen-
tative or representatives, that he (the Provincial Secretary) and his Depart-
ment of the Government would co-operate with the organized Liquor Interests
in helping to procure the defeat of the Scott Act in the Counties of Welland,
Huron and Peel; and that the said understanding or agreement was arrived
at under the circumstances and conditions hereinbefore set forth.
I further charge that the said W. K. Snider did not go to the said
counties in performance of any official duties of his office or because he thought
it a part of his official duty to do so (as alleged by the Provincial Secretary)
but went to the said counties upon the request and direction of the said Pro-
vincial Secretary in order to carry out the said understanding or agreement
so arrived at by the said Provincial Secretary and the representative or repre-
sentatives of the organized Liquor Interests.
I further charge that the said W. K. Snider in so visiting in his official
capacity the said counties, then and there stated that he represented the Depart-
ment of the Provincial Secretary and the Government, and endeavoured to
persuade the parties he interviewed to work for the defeat of the Scott Act,
and advised them that it was the desire of the Department and of the Pro-
vincial Secretary that the Scott Act should be defeated; and that the said
statement of the said W. K. vSnider in the said counties that he was there
representing the said Department and acting upon instructions from the said
Department was true in substance and in fact.
I further charge that the Provincial Secretary, a member of the Govern-
ment of the Province of Ontario, by himself and officials of his Department,
illegally, wrongfully and corruptly intervened, interfered with and influenced
voters of the Counties of Welland, Huron and Peel in elections recently
pending in the said Counties on the subject of the adoption and passing of
the Scott Act and for the prevention of intemperance. The said illegal,
wrongful and corrupt acts having been so done and committed for the purpose
of preventing the passing and adoption of the said. Act, and for the purpose
of promoting and procuring the co-operation and assistance of the Liquor
Interests of the Province in favour of the Government.
C. M. Bowman.
Mr. Bowman then moved, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
That an humble Address be presented to His Honour the Lieutenant-
Governor, praying that he will be graciously pleased to issue a Commission
directed to two Judges of the Supreme Court of Ontario to enquire into and
investigate the matters set forth in the statement this day made to this Honour-
aiS 28th April. 191-i
able House by Mr. Charles Martiu Bowman, member for the Electoral District
of Xorth Bruce, and all matters and things which, in the judgment of the Com-
missioners, relate thereto or affect the same; and the said Commission shall
confer upon the said Commissioners all the powers contained or given in or by
"The Public Inquiries Act" or in or by any Act amending the same.
^Ir. Ferguson (Grenville) here moved, seconded by Mr. Eilber,
The adjournment of the House, for the purpose of making a statement
in re conduct of the Public Accounts Committee and after some time, the
]\Iotion. having been put, was declared to be lost.
Mr. Pattinson then moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Crawford,
That all the words of the Motion after the first word "That" be struck
out and the following inserted in lieu thereof: "this House views with regret
and disapproval the making of ' charges against Honourable Members of the
House in the vague, unprecedented and unwarranted manner disclosed by the
statement just read to the House by the Honourable Member for North Bruce,
especially in view of the fact that all the matters set forth in said statement
and the alleged charges therein contained have already been discussed in this
House on a Motion presented by the said Member for I^orth Bruce, and the
judgment of the House obtained thereon. That while this House recognizes
the- duty cast upon it of investigating charges affecting the honour and dignity
of the House and charges alleging that any of its Members have offended
against the laws and regulations of the House, or have been guilty of fraud-
ulent, dishonest and disreputable acts that would render them unfit to exercise
the trust which their constituents have reposed in them and unfit to continue
to associate with other Members of the House when such charges have been
made on substantial and proper grounds ; it desires to condemn in the strongest
possible manner the making of unwarranted charges of the character referred
to as having an undoubted tendency to lower the tone of public discussion
both inside and outside the House and having a demoralizing and degrading
influence on the public life of the country generally, and to declare that it is
beneath the dignity and contrary to the best traditions of Parliamentary
practice and procedure both in this House and elsewhere in the British
Empire.
That this House further deprecates the attempt exhibited by this state-
ment to make political capital at all costs out of the temperance question, a
course inimical to the best interests of temperance and destined to retard and
hamper the splendid progress in this cause being made in the Province by
and through the expressed will of the people, aided and assisted by wise laws
enacted under the present Government and the strong, vigorous and effective
enforcement of those laws.
George V.
28th xVpril.
379
That this House desires to express its confidence in and appreciation of
the adiniiii.-tration of the liquor laws of the Province, which has enabled the
cause of temperance to make much greater progress during the nine years
this Government has been in power, than was made in the quarter of a century
prior thereto, and which has won for the Honourable the Provincial Secre-
tary, under whose Department the administration of said laws come, the
regard, admiration and esteem of the public generally, irrespective of politics,
and to condemn the unfair, unjustified and unwarranted attempt made by the
reading of the alleged charges contained in said statement for purely partisan
jMirpose? to injure the character and reputation of said Provincial Secretary
aiid to hinder and hamper him in the splendid work he is doing in the fram-
ing and enforcement of laws for the restriction of the liquor traffic and for
the welfare of humanity and the betterment of mankind."
And a Debate having ensued.
And the House having continued to sit until Twelve of the Clock mid-
night.
The Debate was continued.
And after some time
Wednesday, 28th April, 1914.
The Amendment, having been put, was carried on the following Division :
Yeas.
Messieurs.
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
B rower
Cameron
Carscallen
( liambers
Champagne
Cook
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duif
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(Grenvine)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeo"wn
Mc^NTaught
j\IcPherson
Mac Arthur
Machin
Grigg
Mason
Hartt
Mathieu
Hearst
Hendrie
Milligan
:\riiis
Henry
Hogarth
Morel
Musgrove
Jamieson
Jarvis
Nesbitt
NTorman
Jessop
Lennox
Owens
Peck
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Yrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 76
ISO
28th April.
15)14
Nays.
Messieurs.
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
BoA\Tnan
Clarke
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McDonald
McQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Majberry
]\[unro
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholmei — 18
Pairs.
None.
The Original Motion as amended, having been then put, was carried
on the following Division: —
Teas.
Anderson
(EJssex)
Armstrong
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
B rower
Cameron
Carscallen
r^h ambers
Champagne
Cook
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
BowTnan
Clarke
Messieurs ;
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(Grenville)
Foj
Fraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Grigg
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jarvis
Jessop
Lennox
Lucas
McCrea
^McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
]\rcPherson
MacArthur
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Milligan
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
N'esbitt
Norman
Owens
Nays.
Messieurs :
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McDonald
McQueen
Mageau
^farshall
]\f ay berry
Munro
Proudfoot
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Ross
Scholfield
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Simcoe)
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
VMiitesides — 76
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair
Studholme— 18
George V. 2Sth April. 381
Pairs.
None.
And it was
Resolved, That this House views Avith regret and disapproval the making
of charges against Honourable jMeuibers of the House, in the vague, unprece-
dented and unwarranted manned disclosed by the statement just read to the
House by the Honoiiralfle Member for North Bruce, especially in view of the
fact that all the matters set forth in said statement and the alleged charges
tlierein contained have already been discussed in this House on a Motion pre-
sented by the said ^Nfeniber for Xorth Bruce, and the judgment of the House
obtained thereon ;
That, while this House recognizes the duty cast upon it of investigating
charges affecting the honour and dignity of the House, and charges alleging
that any of its Members have offended against the laws and regulations of
the House, or have been guilty of fraudulent, dishonest and disreputable acts
that would render them unfit to exercise the trust which their constituents
have reposed in them and unfit to continue to associate with other Members
of the House when such charges have been made on substantial and proper
grounds, it desires to condemn in the strongest possible manner the making
of unwarranted charges of the character referred to as having an undoubted
tendency to lower the tone of public discussion both inside and outside the
House, and having a demoralizing and degrading influence on the public
life of the country generally, and to declare that it is beneath the dignity and
contrary to the best traditions of Parliamentary practice and procedure both
in this House and elsewhere in the British Empire;
That this House further deprecates the attempt exhibited by this state-
ment to make political capital at all costs out of the temperance question, a
course inimical to the best interests of temperance and destined to retard and
hamper the splendid progress in this cause being made in the Province by
and through the expressed will of the people, aided and assisted by wise laws
enacted under the present Government, and the strong, vigorous and effective
enforcement of those laws.
That this House desires to express its confidence in and appreciation of
the administration of the liquor laws of the Province, which has enabled the
. cause of temperance to make much greater progress during the nine years
this Government has been in power than was made in the quarter of a century
prior thereto, and which has won for the Honourable the Provincial Secretary,
under whose Department the administration of said laws comes, the regard,
382 28th April. 1914
admiration and esteem of the public generally, irrespective of politics, and
to condemn the unfair, unjustified and unwarranted attempt made by the
reading of the alleged charges contained in said statement for purely partisan
purposes to injure the character and reputation of said Provincial Secretary
and to hinder and hamper him in the splendid work he is doing in the fram-
ing and enforcement of laws for the restriction of the liquor traffic and for
the welfare of humanity and the betterment of mankind.
The following Bill was read the third time and passed: —
Bill (iSTo. 165), To amend the Succession Duty Act.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 160), To amend
the Ontario Insurance Act having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Pattinson
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third- time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 183), To amend
the Territorial Division Act having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee ; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Brewster
reported, That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the thi»d time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 193), The
^[unicipal Amendment Act, 11)14, having been again read.
George V. 28th April. 383
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthN\ith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
seme time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Owens
reported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Mr. Hanna then moved
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Studholme moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by inserting in Section 6 as subsection 4 of Section 263 of
the Municipal Act the following: "in case any Municipal Council is of the
opinion that such an emergency exists as renders it desirable in the public
interests that such by-law should be submitted to the electors at some other
anvl earlier day than that fixed for taking the poll at the annual Municipal
Election, such Municipal Council may apply to the Ontario Railway and
Municipal Board, and in case such Board is satisfied that an emergency
exists, and that it is in the public interests that such by-laws should be earlier
sub";xiitted, the said Board may, on the request of the Municipal Council,
direct that the said by-law shall be submitted to a vote of the electors at some
other and earlier day than the annual Municipal Election.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading, having been then again submitted, was
carried and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (IST'O. 181), To amend
the Election Laws, having been read,
Mr. Hearst moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Anderson (Bruce) moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Ferguson
(Kent),
That all the worrls of the Motion after the word '' That " be omitted,
and the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but
384 28th April. 1914
be forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instruc-
tions to amend the same by adding thereto the following Sections : —
1. — (1) Every person, corporation, officer or director of a corporation
that shall receive any contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or deposit of
money or other valuable consideration for the purpose of: —
(a) Either directly or indirectly influencing or controlling the result of
any election ;
(h) Either directly or indirectly assisting, promoting or supporting any
political candidate, cause or party ;
(c) Either directly or indirectly, in whole or in part, defraying or meet-
ing the expenses of any political meeting, convention, organization
or campaign;
(d) Being applied, either directly or indirectly, towards any of the pur-
poses mentioned in clauses (a), (&) and (c) of this sub-section
shall within ten days after such contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or
deposit, file with the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery a statement signed by
the person, corporation, officer or director thereof receiving the same, and such
statement shall show: —
(i) The name and address of and occupation or business carried on by
such person, corporation, officer or director thereof;
(ii) The date and amount of such contribution, payment, loan, gift,
advance or deposit;
(iii) The name, address or occupation of the person or corporation from
whom the same was received ;
(iv) The purpose for which the same was received.
(2) Sub-section 1 shall not apply to any contribution, payment, loan, gift,
advance or deposit of less than $50 value.
2. The Clerk of the Crown in Chancery shall keep on file all statements
received under this Act, and the said statements and the information contained
therein shall be open to inspection by any person or persons applying therefor.
3. It shall be the duty of the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery within ten
days after the receipt of the statement mentioned in section 1 hereof to send
George V. 28th April. 385
a copy of such statement by registered letter to the person or corporation from
whom snch contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or deposit is alleged in
such statement to have been received.
4. The Clerk of the Crown in Chancery shall also publish in The Ontario
Gazette not less than five days or more than twelve days prior to the date fixed
for any Provincial election a list showing in concise form the particulars con-
tained in all statements filed with him since the date of his last published
statement.
5. — (1) Every person, corporation, officer or director of a corporation
that shall give or make, or promise to give or make, any contribution, payment,
loan, gift, advance or deposit of money or other valuable consideration for the
purpose of : —
(a) Either directly or indirectly, influencing or controlling the result of
any election ;
(h) Either directly or indirectly assisting, promoting or supporting any
political candidate, cause or party;
(c) Either directly or indirectly, in whole or in part, defraying or meet-
ing the expenses of any political meeting, convention, organization
or campaign;
(d) Being applied, either directly or indirectly, toward any of the pur-
poses mentioned in clauses (a), (h) and (c) of this sub-section
shall within thirty days after such contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance
or deposit, file with the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery a statement signed bv
such person, corporation or officer or director thereof showing :
(i) The name and address of and the occupation or business carried on
by such person, corporation, officer or director thereof;
(ii) The date and amount of such contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance
or deposit;
(iii) The name and address of, and the occupation or business carried on by
the person, corporation, officer or director thereof who received the same ;
(iv) The purpose of such contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or
deposit.
25-jouE.
386 28th April. 1914
(2) The last sub-section shall not apply to any case where within twenty
days after snch contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or deposit, the person
giving or making the same receives from the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery a
notice, as provided in section 3 hereof, that the statement has already been filed
with regard to such contribution, payment, loan, gift, advance or deposit as
provided in section 1 hereof.
6. — (1) Every person or corporation, and every officer or director of a cor-
poration who gives, makes, or promises to give or makes or receives any contri-
bution, payment, loan, gift, advance or deposit for any of the purposes aforesaid
without filing a statement as herein required, or files a statement that is incor-
rect in any material respect, shall be liable upon conviction to pay a fine of
$50 or a fine equal in amount to such contribution, payment, loan; gift, advance
or deposit, which ever is larger.
(2) One-half of the said fine shall belong to the person laying the information.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put, was carried
and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 191), To amend
the Liquor License Law, having been read,
Mr. Hanna moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. McDonald moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Munro,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by providing for County Local Option on a majority vote
in arldition to the present Local Option provisions."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on a Division: —
The Motion for the third reading, having been then again put, was car-
ried and the Bill was read the third time and passed.
George V. 28th April. 387
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 197).
To confirm the Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1914, and to correct certain
clerical and typographical errors therein, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair and Mr. Pattinson reported, That the Com-
mittee had directed him to report the Bill vt'ithout any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 167),
The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914, and after some time spent therein,
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair and Mr. Brewster reported, That the Com-
mittee had made some progress, and directed him to ask for leave to sit again.
Resolved, That the Committee have leave to sit again on To-day.
The House resohied itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No. 187), To
amend the Ontario Companies Act, and after some time spent therein, Mr.
Speaker resumed the Chair and Mr. McKeown reported. That the Committee
had directed him to report the Bill without any amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 138), Respecting
Representation of the People in the Legislative Assembly, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee and, after some
time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. McKeown re-
ported. That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time at the next Sittings of the
House To-dav.
On Motion of Mr. Pergiison (Kent), seconded by Mr. McDonald,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1. Who
are the Members of the Legislative Assembly, if any, other than Mr. G. Howard
3?S 28th April. 1914
Ferguson, M.P.P., who had incurred disqualification under the provisions of
*'The Legislative Assembly Act," by reason of their accepting or holding any
ofiice, commission or employment, permanent or temporary, in the service of
the Government of Canada at the nomination of the Crown or at the nomina-
tion of any of the officers of the Government of Canada to which any salary, fee,
wage, allowance, emolument or profit of any kind was attached, and who would
now be disqualified from sitting as Members of the Legislative Assembly but
for the Act passed during the present session of the Legislature.
Mr. McDonald asked the following Question: —
1. If the License Inspector of North Essex has not applied for or bor-
rowed any money for himself personally, from hotel-keepers in North Essex,
since he was appointed Inspector, has he applied to or borrowed money from
any hotel-keepers in North Essex on behalf of any other person, firm or corpora-
tion. 2. If any such application has been made, what are the names of such
persons, firms or corporations, the names of such hotel-keepers and the dates
and amounts so applied for or borrowed.
To which the Provincial Secretary replied as follows: —
1. Paul Morand, the late License Inspector for North Essex, says: —
That his fellow directors in the Canning Company borrowed $1,000 each from
two license holders. They did not consult him until the signing of the note
giving security, when they all signed together. The money in both cases has
been repaid. He says he had no thought when signing the note that he was
violating the Regulations, and when he learned it was against the Rules of
the Department he immediately resigned. That the transaction in no way
interfered with the discharge of his duty as Inspector.
Mr. Maybury asked the following Question: —
1. Is J. E. Stone, License Inspector for South Essex, the Treasurer of
the South Essex Conservative Association. 2. Is J. E. Stone, License In-
spector for South Essex, Chairman of the Essex Division of the South Essex
Conservative Association. 3. Did J. E. Stone, the License Inspector for
South Essex, appear on the public platform at Edgar Mills and New Cannon
at the last Dominion elections on behalf of W. F. Parke, the Conservative
candidate. 4. Does J. E. Stone, the License Inspector for South Essex,
assist in revising Voters' Lists on behalf of the Conservative candidate in
South Essex.
George V. 28tii April. 389
And the Provincial Secretary replied as follows: —
1. No. 2. No. 3. Yes. 4. lie attended Court of "Revision as witness
only.
On motion of Dr. Pyne, seconded by ^Mr. Reanme,
Eesolved, That when this House adjourns, it do stand adjourned
until Twelve of the Clock Noon of To-day.
Mr. Hanna presented to the House, by command of His Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor : —
Annual Report of the Hospital for Epileptics for the year ending 31st
October, 1913. (Sessional Papers No. 23.)
Also — Cole's Report in re Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway.
(Sessional Papers No. 88.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 16th April, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. All correspondence between the Department of Educa-
tion and any officer or official thereof and the Boa^d of Trustees of the Almonte
High School. 2. All correspondence between the Department of Education and
any officer or official thereof and any of the teachers in the Almonte High
School. 3. All correspondence between the Department of Education and any
officer or official thereof and Miss Eade with reference to an application by her
for a position in the Almonte High School. (Sessiojial Papers No. 103.)
Also — Return to an Order of the House of the 21st April, 1914, for a
Return showing: — 1. The present practice of the Department of Education
in regard to the number of text-books authorized for use in each subject in the
Course of Studies. 2. The number of text-books authorized for use in the ele-
mentary and secondary schools of Ontario issued since the date of the last return
laid before this House, March 20th, 1911, and the methods adopted to keep
these books up to the requirements of the schools. 3. The cost to the Province
of each of these books in the form of payments to authors, printers and electro-
typers. 4. The estimated saving to purchasers of all text-books in elementary
and secondary schools on all the books as compared with previous prices of the
same. 5. The amount annually paid in royalties by the Department of Educa-
tion to writers of authorized text-books. 6. The cost to the Province of the
preparation, editing, and printing of supplementary readers authorized for use
in the schools. 7. The amount paid annually by publishers to any official of
the Department of Education on text-books authorized for use in the schools of
this Province. 8. What Ontario books have been adopted in other Provinces.
(Sessional Papers No. 104.)
The House then adjourned at 3.50 a.m.
390 29th April. 1914
'I
Wednesday, April 29th, 1914.
Prayers. 12 O'Clock I^oon.
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time: —
Bill (No. 199), intituled "An Act respecting Employment Agencies."
Mr. Lucas.
Ordered, That the Bill he read the second time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the second time and referred to a Committee of
the Whole House forthwith.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. ]\tcPherson
reported. That the Committee had directed him to report the Bill without any
amendment.
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
On Motion of Mr. Lucas, seconded by Mr, Hearst,
Resolved, That this House do forthwith resolve itself into a Committee
of the Whole to consider certain proposed Resolutions respecting the salary
of the Provincial Auditor, License Fee to Private Detectives and a grant to
sufferers in Newfoundland.
Mr. Foy acquainted the House that His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor,
having been informed of the subject matter of the proposed Resolutions recom-
mends them to the consideration of the House.
The House then resolved itself into the Committee.
(In the Committee.)
Resolved, That the salary of the Auditor be increased from the sum of
$4,000 to $4,500 per annum and that the Audit Act be s<3 amended.
George V. 29tii April. 391
Besolved, That the license fee required on the issue and renewal of a
license to Private Detectives be increased from $200 to $300, and that section 4
of the Private Detectives Act be amended accordingly.
Resolved, That the Lieutenant-Governor in Council may direct the pay-
ment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to the Prime Minister or Treas-
urer of Newfoundland of the sum of $5,000 for the relief of sufferers from the
recent disasters to those engaged in the sealing and fishing industries.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. MclSTaught reported, That the
Committee had come to certain Resolutions.
Ordered, That the Report be now received.
Mr. MclSTaught reported the Resolutions as follows: —
Resolved, That the salary of the Auditor be increased from the sum of
$4,000 to $4,500 -per annum and that the Audit Act be so amended.
Resolved, That the license fee required on the issue and renewal of a
license to Private Detectives be increased from $200 to $300, and that section 4
of the Private Detectives Act be amended accordingly.
Resolved, That the Lieutenant-Governor in Council may direct the pay-
ment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to the Prime Minister or Treas-
urer of jSTewfoundland of the sum of $5,000 for the relief of sufferers from the
recent disastei-s to those engaged in the sealing and fishing industries.
The Resolutions having been read the second time, were agreed to, and
referred to the Committee of the Whole House on Bill (Xo. 167), The'^Statute
Law Amendment Act, 1914.
The House again resolved itself into a Committee to consider Bill (No.
167), The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914, and after some time spent
therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Owens reported, That the
Committee had directed him to report the Bill with certain amendments.
Ordered, That the Amendments be taken into consideration forthwith.
The Amendments, having been read the second time, were agreed to.
392
29th April.
1914
Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time forthwith.
The Bill was then read the third time, and passed.
The Order of the Day for the third reading of Bill (No. 138), Respecting
Representation of the People in the Legislative Assembly, having been read.
Ordered, That the Order be discharged, and that the Bill be forthwith
again referred to a Committee of the Whole, with instructions to amend the
same.
The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee; and, after
some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Macdiarmid
reported, That the Committee had amended the Bill as directed.
Mr. Hanna then moved,
That the Bill be now read the third time.
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word " That " be omitted, and
the following substituted: ''the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by striking out the words ' except the Electoral Districts of
!N"orth-east, South-east, North-west and South-west Toronto,' at the end of
subsection (4) of section 1, and by striking out subsection (2) of section 4 of
the said Bill.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following division :
Yeas.
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Clarke
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
^^cCormick
McDonald
McQueen
Mageau
Messieurs :
Marshall
Richardson
Mayberry
Rowell
Munro
Sinclair
Proudfoot
Studholme— 18
Racine
George V.
29th April.
393
Nays.
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Beck
Black
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Chambers
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Duff
Diinlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Messieurs :
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(Grenville)
Foy
Eraser
Gooderham
Grant
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jessop
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
jMcGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
Nixon
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham)
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Kankin
Reaurae
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides— 66
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. McDonald moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Anderson (Bruce),
That all the words of the Motion, after the word " That " be omitted, and
the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by striking out sections 6, 7 and 8 of Schedule " B " and
inserting in their stead the following sections: —
'^ 6. The Electoral District of Centre Bruce to consist of the Townships of
Elderslie, Huron, Kincardine and Greenock, the Town of Kincardine and the
Villages of Paisley and Chesley.
" 7. The Electoral District of South Bruce to consist of the Townships of
Brant, Carrick, Culross, Kinloss, and the Villages of Teeswater and Lucknow,
and the Town of Walkerton.
" 8. The Electoral District of North Bruce to consist of the Townships of
St. Edmunds, Lindsay, Eastnor, Albemarle, Amabel, Arran, Saugeen and
394
29th April.
1914
Bruce, and the Villages of Tara, Tiverton and Hepworth, and the Towns of
Wiarton, Southampton and Port Elgin."
And the Amendment, having been put, vp-as lost on the following division :
Yeas.
Messi
ieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Clarke
McCormick
McDonald
Majberry
Munro
Proudfoot
Racine
Kichardson
Powell
Sinclair — 17
N'ays.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Essex)
Armstrong
Beck
Black
Brewster
B rower
Carscallen
Chambers
Champagne
Crawford
Dargavel
Devitt
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ellis
Fallis
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Eraser
Gooderham
Grant ,
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Henry
Hogarth
Jamieson
Jessop
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McE"aught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Mills
Morel
Musgrove
ISTixon
IN^orman
Owens
Pattinson
Peck
Pratt
Preston
(Durham")
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Pankin
Reaume
Regan
Rose
Shillington
Sulman
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Westbrook
Whitesides — 66
Paibs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put.
'Mr. ^IcDonald moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Anderson
CBruce),
George V.
29 th April.
395
That all the words of the Motion after the word ''That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: ''the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the same by striking out Sections (}, 1 and 8 of Schedule 'B/ and
inserting in their stead the following Sections: —
"6. The Electoral District of Centre Bruce to consist of the Townships
of Huron, Kincardine, Greenock, Elderslie and Arran; the Towns of Kin-
cardine and Chesley, and Villages of Tiverton, Tara and Paisley.
"7. The Electoral District of North Bruce to consist of the Townships
of St. Ednnmds, Lindsay, Eastnor, Albemarle, Amabel, Saugeen and Bruce;
the Towns of Wiarton and Southampton, and Villages of Port Elgin and Hep-
worth.
"8. The Electoral District of South Bruce to consist of the Townships of
Brant, Carrick, Culross and Kinloss^ the Town of Walkerton, and Villages
of Teeswater and Lucknow."
And the Amendment, having been put, was
Division : —
lost
on
the following
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
McDonald
Munro
I^AYS.
Messieurs :
Sinclair — 17
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Owens
Bennewies
(GrenviUe) McElrOV
Pattinson
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Pratt
Brewster
Eraser
McGarry
Preston
Brower
Galna
McKeown
(Lanark)
Carscallen
Gooderham
]\rc:N'aught
Pyne_
Champagne
Gi-ant
McPherson
Rankin
Crawford
Hanna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Regan
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Ross
Duif .
Hendrie
Mathieu
Shillington
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Henry
Morel
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Jamieson
Musgrove
Torrance
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Jarvis
Nixon
Vrooman
Lucas
Norman
Whitesides— 58
396
29th April.
1914
Pairs.
JSTone.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Sections 15 and 16 of Schedule *B' of said Bill by transferring from
the Electoral District of Essex North, Amherstburg and Maiden, to the Elec-
toral District of Essex South.
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Atkinson
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
McQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
McDonald
Mayberry
Munro
Rowell
Sinclair — 17.
Nays.
Messieurs :
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Champagne
Crawford
Devitt
Donovan
Duif
Dunlop
Ebbs.
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
McCrea
(Grenville)
McElroy
Foy
McFarlan
Eraser
McGarry
Galna
McKeown
Gooderham
McNaught
Grant
]\rcPherson
Hanna
Macdiarmid
Hartt
Machin
Hearst
Mason
Hendrie •
Mathieu
Henry
Morel
Jamieson
IMusgrove
Jarvis
Nixon
Lucas
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne_
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington •
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides— 58
(Jeorge V.
29th April.
397
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to aiERjnd Sections 15 and 16 of the said Bill by transferring from the Elec-
toral District of Essex North, Maiden, to the Electoral District of Essex
South."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Bruce)
Ferguson
(Kent)
Atkinson
Kohler
Clarke
McCormick
McDonald
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
B rower
Carscallen
Champagne
Crawford
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
McQueen
Mageau
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs ;
Ferguson
(Grenville)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
McCrea
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Morel
Musgrove
Nixon
Norman
Owens
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — 17
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides— 58
39S
29tu April.
1914
Pairs.
None.
The Motioii for tlie third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Sections 18, 19 and 20 of Schedule 'B' of the said Bill by trans-
ferring the Township of Sullivan from the Electoral District of INorth Grey,
and the Township of Artemesia from the Electoral District of South Grey
to the Electoral District of Centre Grey, and by transferring the Township
of St. Vincent and the Town of Meaford from the Electoral District of Centre
Grey to the Electoral District of JSTorth Grey."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — 17
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Atkinson
E^^ohler
Marshall
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Bennewies
(Grenv
i"^> McElroy
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Brewster
Eraser
McGarry
B rower
Galna
McKeown
("arscallen
Gooderham
McNaught
Champagne
Grant
McPherson
Crawford
ITanna
Macdiarmid
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Duff
Hendrie
Mathieu
Dunlop
Henry
Morel
Ebbs
Jamieson
Musgrove
Eilber
Jarvis
Nixon
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Lucas
Norman
Owens
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Sliilliugton
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides— 58
George V.
29th April.
309
Palbs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word ''That" be omitted, and
the following substituted: ''the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Sections 18 and 19 of Schedule 'B' by transferring the Township
of Sullivan from the Electoral District of ISTorth Grey to the Electoral Dis-
trict of Centre Grey."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — lY
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
^fcQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Atkinson
Kohler
]\rarshall
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
^IcDonald
Munro
]^ATS.
Mess
Beck
Bennewies
Black
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Champagne
Crawford
Devitt
Donovan
Duff
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Fergiison
(Simcoe)
Ferguson
(GrenviUe)
Foy
Eraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Hanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
^fcCrea
leurs :
McElroy
McFarlan
McGarry
McKeown
Mc^IvTaught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Machin
Mason
Mathieu
Morel
Musgrove
ISTixon
Xorman
Owens
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides— 58
400
29th April.
1914
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Proudfoot moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
That all the words of the Motion after the word "That" be omitted, and
the following substituted : "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith recommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Sections 18 and 20 by transferring the Township of Artemesia from
the Electoral District of South Grey to the Electoral District of Centre
Grey."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following
Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Bennewies
(GrenviUe) McElroy
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Brewster
Eraser
McGarry
B rower
Galna
McKeown
Carscallen
Gooderham
McNaught
Champagne
Grant
McPherson
Crawford
Hanna
Macdiarmid
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Duff
Hendrie
Mathieu
Dunlop
Henry
Morel
Ebbs
Eilber
Jamieson
Musgrove
Nixon
Norman
Ferguson
(Slmcoe)
Jarvis
Lucas
Proudfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — 17
Owens
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lianark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 58
George V.
29tk April.
401
Paies.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Howell moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word "' That " be omitted, and
the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Schedule B of the said Bill by inserting therein : ' the Riding of
jy^onck to be composed of the same municipalities as at present, viz. : Town-
ships of Camborough, Moulton, Sherbrooke, Caistor, Gamborough, Pelham,
Wainfleet and Town of Dunnville.' "
And the Amen<iment, having been put, was lost on the following division :
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
»-■"
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Sinclair — 17
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Owens
Bennewies
(Grenville) McElroy
Pattinson
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Pratt
Brewster
Eraser
McGarry
Preston
Brower
Galna
McKeown
(Lanark)
Carscallen
Gooderham
McNaught
Pyne
Champagne
Grant
McPherson
Rankin
Crawford
Hanna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Regan
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Ross
Duff
Hendrie
Mathieu
Shillington
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Henry
Jamieson
Morel
Musgrove
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Jarvis
Nixon
Vrooman
Lucas.
Norman
Whiteside^ — 58
2 6- JOUR.
4Ul>
29tii April.
1914
Pairs.
None.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Rowell moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Mayberry,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word " That " be omitted, and
the following substituted: "the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
' ;i!!iend sections 56 and 59 of Schedul ■ ' 1> " of the said Bill by transferring
from the Riding of North Oxford to the Riding of South Perth that part of
the Village of Tavistock which lies north of the county line between the
Counties of Oxford and Perth."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Simcoe)
(Kent)
Alageau
Racine
cVtkinson
• Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
^layberry
Rowell
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Sinclair — 17.
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Owens
Bennewies
(Granville) McElroy
Pattinson
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Pratt
Brewster
Eraser
McGarry
Preston
Brower
Galna
McKeown
(Lanark)
Carscallen
Gooderham
McNaught
Pyne
Champagne
Grant
McPherson
Rankin
Crawford
Ilanna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Regan
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Ross
Duff
Hendrie
^Mathieu
Shillington
Dunlop
Henry
Morel
Thompson
Ebbs
Eilber
Tamieson
]\rusgrove
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Jarvis
Nixon
Vrooman
Lucas
Norman
Whitesides — 58.
Pairs.
None.
George V.
29th April.
403
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
. Mr. Rowell moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Mayberry,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word " That " be omitted, and
the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-oommitted to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend sections 67 and 68 of Schedule 'B' of the said Bill by transferring
from the Electoral District of Centre Simcoe to the Electoral District of
East Simcoe the Town of Penetanguishene."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following division:
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
^fageau
Racine
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
McDonald
]\Iunro
IN'ays.
Messieurs :
Sinclair — 17
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Owens
Bennewies
(Grenville) McElroy
Pattinson
Black
Foy
McFarlan
Pratt
Brewster
i^ raser
Galna
McGarry
Preston
B rower
McKeown
(Lanark)
Carscallen
Gooderham
McNaught
Pyne
Champagne
Grant
McPherson
Rankin
Crawford
Hanna
Macdiarmid
Reaume
Devitt
Hartt
Machin
Regan
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Ross
Duff
Hendrie
Mathieu
Shillington
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Henry
Morel
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Jamieson
Musgrove
Torrance
Jarvis
IvTixon
Vrooman
Lucas
iN'orman
Whitesides — 58
Pairs.
ITone.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Rowell moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
404
29th xVpril.
1914
That all the words of the Motion, after the word '^ That " be omitted, and
the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend the said Bill by striking out sections 80 and 81 of Schedule 'B,' and
by inserting in their stead the following sections: —
" 80. The Electoral District of West Victoria to consist of the Townships
of Ops, Mariposa, Eldou, Catden and Dalton, the Town of Lindsay and the
Village of Woodville.
" 81. The Electoral District of East Victoria to consist of the Townships
of Emily, Fenelon, Bexley, Laxton, Digby, Longford, Somerville and Verulan,
the Villages of Omemee, Fenelon Falls, Bobcaygeon and Sturgeon Point, and
all the municipalities included in the Provincial County of Haliburton."
And the Amendment, having been put, was lost on the following division :
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Anderson
Ferguson
McQueen
Proudfoot
(Bruce)
(Kent)
Mageau
Racine
Atkinson
Kohler
Marshall
Richardson
Clarke
McCormick
Mayberry
Rowell
McDonald
Munro
Nays.
Messieurs :
Sinclair — 17.
Beck
Ferguson
McCrea
Owena
Bennewies
(GrenviUe) McEW
Pattinson
Black
-toy
Fraser
Galna
Gooderham
Grant
Hanna
Hartt
McFarlan
Pratt
Brewster
B rower
Car-callen
Champagne
Crawford
Devitt
McGarry
McKeown
McNaught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Ma chin
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Donovan
Hearst
Mason
Ross
Dnff
Hendrie
Mathieu
ShilHngton
Dunlop
Ebbs
Eilber
Ferguson
(Simcoe)
Henry
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
Morel
Musgrove
Xixon
Xorman
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 58,
Pairs.
None.
George V.
29th April.
405
The Motion for the third reading having been then again put,
Mr. Rowell moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Marshall,
That all the words of the Motion, after the word " That " be omitted, and
the following substituted : " the Bill be not now read the third time, but be
forthwith re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House with instructions
to amend Schedule 'B' of the said Bill by providing that each of the Electoral
Districts of N^orth-west Toronto, South-west Toronto, South-east Toronto and
North-east Toronto, as described in sections 66, 67, 69 and 70 of Schedule 'B,'
be divided into two Electoral Districts, and there shall be a member repre-
senting each Electoral District."
And objection having been taken to the Amendment on the ground that
the subject matter thereof had been already pronounced upon by the House
during the current Session, and Mr. Speaker being asked to sustain the objec-
tion, said,
That the Rule was imperative in the case of motions already disposed of
by the House, and that he had no alternative but to declare the Motion out of
order.
The Motion for the third reading having been then again submitted, was
carried on the following Division : —
Yeas.
Messieurs :
Beck
Bennewies '
Black
Brewster
Brower
Carscallen
Champagne
Crawford
Devitt
Donovan
DuiT
Dunlop
Eab3
Eilber
Ferguson
/Simcoe)
Feriruson
Foy
Eraser
Gain a
Cooderham
Grant
ITanna
Hartt
Hearst
Hendrie
Henry
Jamieson
Jarvis
Lucas
(Glenville)
McCrea
McElroy
Mcl'arlan
McGarry
McKeown
McXaught
McPherson
Macdiarmid
Machin
Mason
]\Tathieu
Morel
Musgrove
T^ixun
Xorman
Owens
Pattinson
Pratt
Preston
(Lanark)
Pyne
Rankin
Reaume
Regan
Ross
Shillington
Thompson
(Peterboro)
Torrance
Vrooman
Whitesides — 58.
406
29 th Apsil,.
1914
i^AYS.
Messieurs :
Anderson
(Simcoe)
Atkinson
Clarke
Ferguson
(Kent)
Kohler
]\fcCormick
McDonald
]\IcQiieen
Mageau
Marshall
Mayberry
Munro
Proiidfoot
Racine
Richardson
Rowell
Sinclair — 1 7.
Pairs.
N'one.
And the Bill was read the third time and passed.
On Motion of Mr. Hearst, seconded by Mr. Hanna,
Resolved, That the full Sessional Indemnity be paid to Sir James Whitney
and to Messrs. Machin, Johnson, and Elliott, absent on account of illness, and
to any of the other Members who were unavoidably absent for the same reason.
On Motion of Mr. Pyne, seconded by Mr. Reaume,
Resolved, That when this House adjourns To-day, it do stand adjourned
until Friday, the First day of May next, at three of the Clock in the afternoon.
Mr. Marshall asked the following Question: —
Has the Government transmitted to the Government of Canada the Reso-
lution passed by this House on March 25th in reference to Hydro-Electric
Railways. If so, on what date was the said Resolution transmitted.
And Mr. Beck replied, that
The attention of the Dominion Government has already been drawn to
said Resolution by the Honourable Mr. Beck, and formal communication on
the subject will go forward in due course.
George V. 29th April. 407
Mr. May berry asked the following Question : —
1. What are the names of the municipalities in the Niagara District which
have not paid their proportion of the Sinking Eund due to the Hydro-Electric
Power Commission ; and what is the amount of the Sinking Fund payable by
each up to the 31st October, 1913, payment of which has been deferred until
the 31st October, 1914.
To which Mr. Beck replied as follows : —
1. E'one. 2. No Sinking Fund payable until after 31st October, 1914.
Mr. Ferguson (Kent) asked the following Question: —
1. What is the amount of the Sinking Fund due by the City of Toronto
to the Hydro-Electric Power Commission under the agreement between the
City and the Hydro-Electric Power Commission up to the 31st October,
1913, payment of which has been deferred until the 31st October, 1914; and
what portion of the amount of this Sinking Fund has accrued due for each
year during the currency of the agreement between the City of Toronto and
the Hydro-Electric Power Commission.
And Mr. Beck replied: —
1. jSTo Sinking Fund due until after October 31st, 1914. 2. Answered
by No. 1.
On Motion of Mr. McQueen, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Return showing: — 1.
Copies of all correspondence passing between the Government, or any member
thereof, and ex-License Inspector J. A. Smyth for the South Riding of Essex,
with reference to the performance by him of the duties of his oflBce. 2. Copies
of all correspondence passing between the Government, or any member there-
of, and the said ex-License Inspector J. A. Smyth, with i-eference to the dis-
missal of the said J. A. Smyth as License Inspector and his appointment as a
Government representative in Great Britain. 3. Copies of all protests
received by the Government or any officer or official thereof against the dis-
missal of the said J. A. Smyth as License Inspector. 4. Copies of all corres-
pondence passing between the Government and any officer or official thereof,
and J. E. Stone, the present License Inspector for South Essex, in reference
to the work or duties of his office and the administration of the law in South
Essex.
408 29th April and 1st May. 1914
On Motion of Mr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Clarke,
Ordered, That there be laid before this House a Keturn showing: — 1.
All correspondence passing between the Government or any officer or official
thereof and Paul Morand, the former License Inspector of North Essex, with
reference to the manner in which the said License Inspector was performing
his duties. 2. All correspondence with reference to the conduct of the said
License Inspector in borrowing moneys on behalf of his Company from Hotel-
keepers in the said .Riding. 3. All correspondence with reference to the
resignation of the said License Inspector.
The House then adjourned at 5.35 p.m.
Friday, May 1st, 1914.
Prayers. . 3 O'Clock P.M.
His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor proceeded in State to the Chamber
of the Legislative Assembly and took his seat upon the Throne.
The Clerk Assistant then read the Titles of the Acts that had passed,
severally as follows: —
An Act respecting the Toronto Western Hospital.
An Act to authorize the Law Society of Upper Canada to admit James
George Guise-Bagley as a Student in his final year.
An Act respecting the City of Hamilton.
An Act respecting the Orphan's Home of the City of Ottawa.
An Act respecting the Township of York.
An Act respecting the City of Ottawa.
An Act respecting the Town of Midland.
An Act respecting the Town of Cornwall and McGill Chairs, Limited.
An Act respecting the City of Brantford.
George V. 29tii April. 409
An Act respecting the City of Toronto.
An Act to consolidate the Floating Debt of the Town of Aylnier.
An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Village of Weston.
An Act respecting the City of Sault Ste. Marie.
An Act to confirm By-law No. 5, for the year 1913, of the Township of
Crowland.
An Act respecting the iSTiagara Falls, Welland and Dunnville Electric
Railway Company.
An Act respecting the Town of Wallaceburg.
An Act respecting the City of Peterborough.
An Act to confirm a Mortgage made by the Young Men's Christian Asso-
ciation of Sault Ste. Marie and Steelton to the Canada Life Assurance Com-
pany.
An Act respecting the City of St. Catharines.
An Act to incorporate the Village of St, Clair Beach.
An Act respecting the Ontario West Shore Railway Company.
An Act respecting the City of Ottawa.
An Act respecting the Toronto, Barrie and Orillia Railway Company.
An Act to validate and confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Brampton.
An Act to amend the Mining Act of Ontario.
An Act to amend the Assessment Act.
An Act to amend the Public Utilities Act.
An Act respecting the Royal Ontario Museum.
An Act respecting Radium.
An Act to incorporate the Town of Bala.
■110 1st May. 1914
Au Act respecting the Town of Bowmanville.
An Act respecting the City of Guelph.
An Act to confirm certain By-laws of the Town of Orillia.
An Act respecting St. Paul's Church, Toronto.
An Act to provide for Compensation to Workmen for Injuries Sustained
and Industrial Diseases Contracted in the course of their employment.
An Act respecting the Morrishurg and Ottawa Electric Railway Company
An Act to amend the Forest Fires Prevention Act.
An Act respecting the Export of Pulpwood.
An Act to provide for the appointment of a Eire Marshal for the Province
of Ontario.
An Act respecting the Town of Pembroke.
An Act for the Better Prevention of Ticket Speculation.
An Act to Prohibit Political Contributions by Corporations, License
Holders and Public Contractors.
An Act respecting Representation of the People in -the Legislative
Assembly.
An Act to amend the Act respecting Sanatoria for Consumptives.
An Act to amend the Industrial Schools Act.
An Act to amend the Industrial Farms Act.
An Act respecting the Hospital for Epileptics.
An Act respecting Reception Hospitals for the Insane.
An Act to amend the Surveys Act.
An Act to amend the Ontario Land Surveyors Act.
An Act respecting the Purchase of Timber Limits of the Pembroke
Lumber Company.
■George V. 1st May. 411
An Act to amend the Motor Vehicles Act.
An Act to amend the Ontario Reformatory xVct, and to confirm a certain
Order in Council.
An Act to amend the Hospitals for the Insane Act.
An Act respecting the Town of Wiarton and the Canada Casket Com-
pany, Limited.
An Act to amend the Cemeteries Act.
An Act to amend the Factory, Shop and Office Building Act.
An Act to amend the Stationary Engineers Act.
An Act to amend the Registry Act.
An Act to amend the Land Titles Act.
An Act to amend the Coroners Act.
An Act to amend the Ontario Insurance Act.
An Act to amend the Game and Fisheries Act.
An Act to amend the Succession Duty Act.
The Statute Law Amendment Act, 1914.
An Act to amend the Corporation Tax Act.
An Act respecting the City of Toronto.
An Act for raising Money on the Credit of the Consolidated Revenue of
Ontario.
An Act to amend the Provincial Loans Act.
An Act respecting the Town of Oakville.
An Act respecting certain Colonization Roads.
An Act to amend the Tile Drainage Act.
412 1st May. 1014
An Act respecting l^istrict Representatives of the Department of x\gri-
culture.
An Act to confirm By-law Xo. 339 of the Town of North Bay.
An Act to amend the Ontario Stallion Act.
An Act to amend the Election Laws.
An Act to amend the Territorial Division Act.
An Act for the protection of Pure Bred Cattle.
The Berlin and Waterloo High School Act.
An Act to amend the Ontario Companies Act.
An Act respecting a School Site for the Roman Catholic Separate School
Board of North Bay.
An Act respecting Advertising of Agricnltnral Resources by Counties.
An Act to amend the Liquor License Act.
An Act respecting the Public Construction and Operation of Electric
Railways.
The Municipal Amendment Act, 1914.
An Act respecting Auxiliary Classes.
An Act to amend the Ontario Telephone Act.
An Act to amend the Power Commission Act, and to confirm certain
Municipal By-laws and Contracts.
An Act to confirm the Revised Statutes of Ontario, 1914, and to Correct
Certain Clerical and Typographical Errors therein.
An Act respecting Employment Agencies.
To these Acts the Royal Assent was announced by the Clerk of the Legis-
lative Assembly in the following words : —
George V. 1st May. 413
" In His Majesty's name, His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor doth
assent to these Acts."
Mr. Speaker then said:
May it Please Your Honour:
We, His Majesty's most dutiful and faithful subjects, the Legislative
Assemhly of the Province of Ontario, in Session assembled, approach your
Honour vrith sentiments of unfeigned devotion and loyalty to His Majesty's
person and Government, and humbly beg to present for Your Honour's accept-
ance a Bill intituled " An Act for granting to His Majesty certain sums of
money for the public service of the financial year ending on the 31st day of
October, 1914, and for the public service of the financial year ending the 31st
day of October, 1915," and for other purposes therein mentioned.
To this Act the Eoyal Assent was announced by the Clerk of the Legis-
lative Assembly in the following words: —
" His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor doth thank His Majesty's dutiful
and loyal Subjects, accept their benevolence and assent to this Act in His
Majesty's name."
His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor was then pleased to deliver the
following Speech: —
Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the Legislative Assembly:
In relieving you of your duties I desire to express my thanks for the
careful consideration you have given to the business of the Session, and also
for the beneficial legislation you have enacted.
I am glad to observe that you have provided by statute for the permanence
and extension of the system of District Representatives of the Department of
Agriculture. The labours of these officials in demonstrating scientific methods
of Agriculture throughout the Province are being more and more appreciated
by the people, and the extension of the system may be expected to contribute
to the prosperity of the whole community. The financial assistance given by
the Dominion of Canada for the improvement of Agriculture is materially
helping the Province in extending this very desirable undertaking.
An important and far-reaching measure has been adopted to provide
compensation to workmen for injuries sustained and for industrial diseases
contracted iu the course of their employment. The general agreement reached
as to the leading features of this legislation is a striking tribute to the fairness
41-i 1st May. 1914
auJ fullness of the iuquiry made before framing the Bill, and is at the same
time a hopeful indication for the success of the measure in the future.
Provision has been made for necessary extensions of the Hydro-Electric
system, and Legislative authority has been given to the Hydro-Electric Power
Commission to supervise the financing, construction and operation of radial
electric railways undertaken by municipalities, either singly or in groups.
The amendments made to the Liquor License Act are in accordance with
the temperance sentiment of the Province, and include provisions facilitating
the enforcement of the Canada Temperance Act and the addition of Good
Friday to the list of days on which the sale of intoxicating liquor is prohibited.
I observe with interest that measures have been adopted providing for
the appointment of a Provincial Fire Marshal, offering a reward for the dis-
covery of radium in this Province, improving the factory legislation and
authorizing School Boards to establish auxiliary classes for the education of
children who are handicapped in any way in the pursuit of their studies.
Legislation has been enacted readjusting the representation of the people
in the Legislative Assembly, having regard to the recent Dominion Census,
prohibiting political subscriptions by corporations. Government contractors
and holders of liquor licenses, and making certain changes with reference to
the nomination of candidates to the Legislature.
Among the other measures adopted are Acts to amend the Succession Duty
Act, to amend the Corporation Tax Act, and respecting advertising of agri-
cultural resources by counties.
I commend to your consideration the valuable Report on Public Highways
which has recently been made by the Commission appointed to investigate the
subject. It is hoped that the outcome of this investigation will be a greatly
improved system of roads throughout the Province.
I desire to thank you for the liberal provision you have made for the
public expenditure, and to assure you that the supplies you have voted will be
administered with a proper regard to efficiency and economy.
In conclusion, I wish to repeat my thanks for the services you have ren-
dered to the public, and to express the hope, in which we all join, that the
blessing of Almighty God will continue to rest upon our country and our people.
The Provincial Secretary then said,
Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the Legislative Assembly: —
It is His Honour's will and pleasure that this Legislative Assembly be
prorogued and this Legislative Assembly is accordingly prorogued.
Appendix.
REPORT
OF THE
Committee on Public
Accounts, 1914
APPENDIX
No. 1.
Report of the Committee on
Public Accounts, 1914.
To the Honourable the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario:
The Staiifling Committee on Public Accounts begs leave to present the
following as its Report :
Your Committee has had produced before it the following accounts,
vouchers, correspondence and particulars in connection with the Public Ac-
counts of the Province of Ontario for the fiscal years, 1011-12 and 1912-13,
ending Slst October, 1912 and 1913 respectively, which it has carefully exam-
ined and considered : —
All papers and particulars connected with item $220,595.76 appearing on
page a24 of the Public Accounts, 1912.
All accounts, vouchers and particulars pertaining to item $136,489.48,
on page 364- of the Public Accounts, 1912, and item $209,568.46, on page
373 of the Public Accounts, 1913.
All accounts and vouchers pertaining to item $274,965.91, on page 344
of the Public Accounts, 1912, and item $338,975.97, on page 379 of the Public
Accounts, 1913.
All documents relating to item $19,946, on page 323 of the Public
Accounts, 1912, and item $11,060, on page 372 of the Public Accounts, 1912.
All particulars relating to item $224,396.37, on page 349 of the Public
Accounts, 1912-13, and the Plans and Specifications of Government House.
All particulars connected with all items appearing on pages a68, a69, and
a70 of the Public 'Accoimts, 1912-13.
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APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
All particulars couuectcd with item $158.65, on page 10 of the Public
Aeeoimts, 1012-13.
All vouchers and documents relating to items $1,700.00 and $896.95, on
page 538 of the Public Accounts, 1912-13.
All particulars connected with item $209,568.46, on page 373 of the
Public Accounts, 1912-13.
All particulars re Tenders received in connection with the sale of the
Townships of Thistle and McWilliam.
All particulars re Public and Separate Eural School grants for the fiscal
year 1912-13.
All particulars connected with item $250,000.00, on page al7 of the
Public Accounts, 1912-13.
All particulars with reference to item $901,486.03, on page al6 of the
Public Accounts, 1912-13.
All particulars with reference to item $2,800.00, on page 21 of the Public
Accounts, 1912-13, and all tenders for coal for the Public Institutions in the
City of Toronto, 1912-13.
All contracts, tenders and books of account connected with item $125,-
106.41, on page 23 of the report of the Niagara Falls Park Commission, 1911,
and all contracts and tenders relating to the construction of the Niagara Falls
Park Boulevard, and all payments in respect of the same.
Messrs. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary; C. H. Sproule,
Deputy Provincial Treasurer; Aubrey White, Deputy Minister of Lands and
Forests; W. B. Poadhouse, Deputy Minister of Agriculture; F. R. Heakes,
Architect to the Public Works Department ; S. E. Todd, Farm. Director, Depart-
ment of Agriculture ; John R. Humphreys, Accountant, Department of Educa-
tion; A. J. McGee, Secretary-Treasurer, Temiskaming and Northern Ontario
Railway; J. H. Jackson, Superintendent, Queen Victoria, Niagara Falls Park
Commission ; Paul Morand, License Inspector for North Essex ; Eudo Saunders,
Chief Officer, License Department ; E. R. Rogers, Inspector of Asylums and
Prisons; R. S. Burrows, Chief License Inspector for the City of Toronto;
George V. APPENDIX No. 1.
Wm. A. Rushworth, Ernest S. Wigle, W. Turner, Wm. Upper and Charles
Lobb, were examined.
Your Committee has held, during the present Session, thirteen meetings,
and submits herewith the Minutes of the proceedings and the evidence given,
as taken by stenographers.
All of which is respectfully submitted.
G. Howard Fbrguson^,
Chairman.
Committee Room,
Toronto, April 24th, 1914.
MINUTES AND PROCEEDINGS PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE
ROOM, LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.
Toronto, March 13th, 1914.
The Select Standing Committee to whom was referred the examination
of the Public Accounts of the Province for the year ending 31st October, 1913,
and composed of the following Members : Sir James Whitney, and Messieurs
Bowman, Beck, Clarke, Dargavel, Ebbs, Eilber, Elliott, Ellis, Ferguson (Gren-
ville). Eraser, Galna, Gamey, Hanna, Hartt, Hendrie, Hogarth, Johnson,
Lennox, Lucas, MacArthur, Mageau, Munro, Musgrove, McCrea, McElroy,
McGarry, McKeown, McQueen, Pattinson, Peck, Preston (Lanark), Proud-
foot, Racine, Reaume, Rowell, Scholfield, Shillington, Sinclair, Thompson
(Simcoe), Torrance, Westbrook, met this day for organization at 11 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Bowman, Eilber, Elliott, Ferg-uson (Grenville),
Galna, Hendrie, Hogarth, Johnson, MacArthur, Musgrove, McCrea, McElroy,
McKeown, McQueen, Pattinson, Peck, Preston (Lanark), Racine, Shillington,
Sinclair, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance.
On motion of Mr. Preston (Lanark), seconded by Mr. Johnson,
Resolved, That Mr. Ferguson (Grenville), be elected Chairman for the
Session.
APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
On motion of ]\[r. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That ^fr. W. A. Rushworth, Toronto,, be summoned to appear
before the Committee at its next meeting to give evidence regarding item
$220,595.76, page A. 24, Public Accounts, 1912.
On motion of Mr. Bowmaji, seconded bj Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, be
summoned to appear before the Committee at its next meeting with all accounts
and vouchers pertaining to the expenditures on the Hospital for Insane at
Whitby and give evidence regarding the item of $136,489.04, page 364, Public
Accounts, 1912, and the item of $209,568.46, page 373, Public Accounts, 1913.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, be
summoned to appear before the Committee at its next meeting with all accounts
and vouchers pertaining to the expenditure on the Provincial Prison, Guelph,
and give evidence regarding the item of $274,965.91, page 344, Public Accounts,
1912, and the item of $338,975.97, page 379, Public Accounts, 1913.
On motion of Mr. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Sinclair,
Ordered, That Mr. Aubrey White, Deputy Minister of Lands, Forests and
Mines, be summoned before the Committee at its next meeting with all docu-
ments relating to the sale of Two Townships of which the proceeds form part of
the item of $220,595.76, page A. 24, Public Accounts, 1912.
On motion of Mr. Elliott, seconded by Mr. Racine.
Ordered, That Mr. Roadhouse, the Deputy Minister of Agriculture, be
summoned to appear before the Committee to give evidence regarding the items
of $19,946 appearing on page 323 -of the Public Accounts, 1912, and the item
of $11,060 appearing on page 372 of the Public Accounts of 1912.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, ]\rarch 18th.
at 10.30 a.m.
George V. APPEXDIX X^o. 1.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Wednesday, March ISth, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Clarke,
Darg-avel, Elliott, Galna, Hartt, Johnson, ^Musgrove, ^fcCrea, ]\reGarry,
McKeown, ^IcQuocn. Peek, Preston (Lanark), Racine, Reaume, Scholfield,
Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance.
Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended, but was not
examined.
Mr. W. B. Roadhouse, Deputy Minister of Agriculture, attended, and was
sworn and examined.
Mr. Aubrey White, Deputy Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. W. A. Rushworth attended and was sworn and examined. Ordered
to attend at the next meeting of the Committee with further business corre-
spondence re Haggart and McKendry Townships.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That Mr. Ernest S. Wigle, of Windsor, be summoned to appear
before the Committee at its next meeting, re Haggart and McKendry Town-
ships.
Committee then adjourned 'to meet again on Friday, March 20th, at
10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Friday, March 20th, 1914.
Committee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman, Bowman, Ilendrie,
Musgrove, McCrea, McGarry, McQueen, Peck, Reaume, Scholfield, Thompson
(Simcoe), Torrance.
Chairman read telegram from Ernest S. Wigle stating his inability to
attend at this meeting of the Committee.
APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Mr. W. A. Riishwortli attended and produced the further correspondence
ordered, but was not examined.
Mr. W. B. Roadhouse, Deputy Minister of Agriculture, attended, but was
not examined.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, March 25th,
at 10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Wednesday, March 25th, 1914.
Committee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Clarke,
Dargavel, Ebbs, Eilber, Elliott, Galna, Hartt, Hendrie, Johnson, MacArthur,
Musgrove, McCrea, McGarry, Racine, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance, West-
brook.
^[r. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended, and was
sworn and examined.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That F. R. Heakes, Esquire, Architect of the Public Works
Department, be summoned to appear before the Committee at its next meeting,
to give particulars of the item of $224,396.37 appearing on page 349 of the
Public Accounts of 1912-13, and that he be asked to produce: —
(1) The Plans and Specifications of the Government House.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, March 27th, at
10.30 a.m.
By agreement the above mentioned date for holding the next meeting was
changed to Thursday, March 26th, at 11 a.m.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Thursday, March 26th, 1914.
Committee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 11 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Dargavel,
Ebbs, Galna, Hartt, Musgrove, McCrea, McGarry, Preston (Lanark), Reaume,
Shilling-ton, Torrance, Westbrook.
Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended and was
re-examined.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, April 1st, at
10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Wednesday, April 1st, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Elliott,
Hartt, Johnson, MacArthur, Mageau, Munro, Musgrove, McCrea, McGarry,
Pattinson, Peck, Reaume, Shillington, Thompson (Simooe), Torrance, West-
brook,
Mr. Ernest S. Wigle attended and was sworn and examined.
Chairman ruled that questions regarding private business matters, or any
concerning matters with which the Government was not connected, cannot be
asked.
Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended and was
re-examined.
Mr. F, R. Heakes, Architect to the Public Works Department, attended
and was sworn and examined, and ordered to re-attend at next meeting.
On motion of Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
10 APPEiSTDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Ordered, That Mr. W. K. Jackson be summoned to appear before the
Public Accounts Committee at its next meeting in connection with item
$220,595.76, page A 24 Public Accounts, 1911-12.
On motion of ^Ir, Elliott, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That W. Turner be summoned to appear before the Public
Accounts Committee at its next meeting in connection with the item of $158.65
on page 19 of the Public Accounts of 1912-13.
On motion of Mr. ]\[unro, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That Mr. W. K. Snider be summoned to appear before the Public
Accounts Committee at its next meeting in connection with items of $1,700 and
$896,95, being items of salary and travelling expenses of the said W. K. Snider,
appearing on page 538 of the Public Accounts for the year 1912-13.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That C. H. Sproule, Assistant Treasurer, be summoned to appear
before the Public Accounts Committee at its next meeting in connection with
items appearing on pages A68, A69 and A70 of the Public Accounts, 1912-13.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Elliott,
Ordered, That S. E. Todd, Farm Instructor, be summoned to appear
before the PubKc Accounts Committee at its next meeting in connection with
items $209,568.46, on page 373, Public Accounts, 1912-13.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Friday, April 3rd, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10,30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Clarke,
Ebbs, Elliott, Galna, Hartt, TTendrie, Lennox, Lucas, ^NfacArthur, Munro,
McCrea, McElroy, McGarry, Peck, Racine, Reaume, Shillington, Sinclair.
Torrance.
Mr. F. R. LTeakes attended and was re-examined.
^[r. W. Turner attended and was sworn and examined.
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Mr. S. E. Todd attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. C. H. Spronle Deputy Provincial Treasurer, attended and was sworn
and examined.
Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended but was not
examined.
By permission of the Committee Mr. W. Turner was allowed to answer,
in a general way, a few questions re transactions subsequent to October 31st,
1913.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on "Wednesday, April 8th, at
10.30 a.m.
Meeting of Committee was subsequently adjourned to meet on Thursday,
April 9th, at 10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Thursday, April 9th, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Ebbs,
Eraser, Galna, Hartt, Hendrie, Johnson, Mac Arthur, Munro, Musgrove,
McGarrv, McQueen, Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Scholfield, Shillington,
Sinclair, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance.
Letter read from partner of Mr. W. K. Jackson, of Buffalo, stating that
Mr. Jackson was out of town and would be unable to attend meeting of
Committee.
Letter read from Mr. C. H. Sproule, Deputy Provincial Treasurer, that
owing to heavy Departmental work and shortness of notice, he would be unable
to attend until next meeting of Committee.
!Mr. F. R. Heakes, Architect of Public Works Department, attended and
was re-examined.
Mr. Aubrey White, Deputy Minister of Lands and Forests, attended with
papers, asked for during recess, as follows : —
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Be sale of Townships Thistle and ]\IcWilliam.
1. All tenders received bv the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines
in connection with the sale of the Townships of Thistle and
McWilliam,
and was re-examined.
Moved by Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Prondfoot,
That the House be requested to direct the Deputy Minister of Crown Lands
to produce the estimates in the Department showing the quantities of Timber
reported to be on the Townships of Thistle and McWilliam.
Chairman ruled the motion out of order. Ruling disputed and yeas and
nays asked for. Chair sustained, yeas 8, nays 5.
Mr. W. K. Snider attended and was sworn and examined.
Questions asked relating to certain expenditures made in the year 1914
ruled out of order by the 'Chairman.
Ruling disputed and yeas and nays asked for. Chair sustained. Yeas 9.
nays 4.
The following was asked to be produced at next meeting of the Committee.
Information re Public and Separate Rural Schools.
1. The amounts of the Public and Separate School Grants for the fiscal
year 1912-13, showing the basis of the grant and the percentage of reduction in
the grant in the case of both Public and Separate Schools.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, April 15th, at
10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Wednesday, April 15th, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Eilber,
Galna. Hartt, Johnson, MacArthur, Mageau, Munro, McCrea, McElroy,
McGarry, Preston (Lanark), Racine, Reaume, Shillington, Torrance, West-
brook.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 13
Letter read from Mr. W. K. Jackson (Buffalo), giving reasons for inability
to attend before the Committee for examination, and stating that could be
present between the 25th and 26th April.
Mr. John E. Humphreys, Chief Clerk and Accountant of the Department
of Education, attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. S. A. Armstrong, Deputy Provincial Secretary, attended and was
re-examined.
Mr. C. H. Sproule, Deputy Provincial Treasurer, attended and was
re-examined.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, April I7th, at
10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Friday, April 17th, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Clarke, Galna,
Hartt. Johnson, MacArthur, Munro, Musgrove, McCrea, McGarry, McQueen.
Proudfoot, Peaume, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance.
Mr. J. R. Humphreys, Chief Clerk and Accountant of the Department of
Education, attended and was re-examined.
On motion of Mr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Munro,
Ordered, That Paul Morand, License Inspector for North Essex, be sum-
moned to appear before the Committee at its next meeting, to give evidence
with reference to the item of $901,486.03, receipts from licenses, appearing on
page A16 of the Public Accounts, 1912-13.
On motion of Mr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Munro,
Ordered, That A. J. McGee, Secretary-Treasurer of the Temiskaming &
Northern Ontario Railway Commission, be summoned to appear before the
Public Accounts Committee at its next meeting to give evidence with reference
to the item of $250,000.00 on page alT of the Public Accounts, 1912 and 1913.
14 APPEXDIX Xo. 1. 1914
On motion of ]\rr. Prondfoot, seconded bv Mr, Mnnro,
Ordered, That E. R. Rogers, Inspector of Asylnms and Prisons, be sum*
moned to a]>pear before the Public Accounts Committee at its next meeting to
give evidence with reference to the item of $2,800.00, salaries, on page 21 of
the Public Accounts, 1012-13; and that he produce and bring with him all
tenders for coal for the Public Institutions in the City of Toronto for the year
1912-13.
On motion of Mr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Munro,
Ordered, That IMr. J. F. Mowat, Chief Clerk and Accountant of the
License Branch, be summoned to appear before the Public Accounts Committee
at its next meeting to give evidence with reference to the item of $901,486.03,
receipts from licenses, appearing on page al6 of the Public Accounts, 1912-13,
and the item of $2,100.00, salaries, on page 23 of the said Public Accounts.
On motion of Mr. Munro, seconded by Mr. Racine,
Ordered, That the Secretary and Treasurer of the Queen Victoria Xiagara
Falls Park Commission be requested to attend before this Committee at its
next meeting to give evidence with reference to the items appearing on page 23
of the report of the Xiagara Falls Park Commission for the year 1912 under
the heading Xiagara River Boulevard, and amounting in all to $125,106.41,
and that he produce before the Public Accounts Committee all contracts for the
construction of the various sections of the said Boulevard, or for any portion
of the work covered by the said sections and all tenders received by the Com-
mission for the construction of the said sections, or any of them, and the books
of account of the said Commission showing the payments made under the said
contracts in respect of the said Xiagara Boulevard so referred to on page 23
of the said report of the year 1912.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, April 22nd, at
10.30 a.m.
Per agreement hour of meeting was subsequently changed to 10 a.m.
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Public Accounts Committee Room,
Wednesday, April 22nd, 1014.
Committee met pursuant to agreement at 10 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Clarke.
Dargavel, Ebbs, Eilber, Elliott. Eraser, Galna, Hanna, Ilartt, Hendrie,
Hogarth, Lennox, Lucas, jMacArthur, ^Mageau. ^Nfunro, Musgrove, ]\rcGarry,
Preston (Lanark), Proudfoot, Reaume, Scholfield, Shillington, Thompson
(Simcoe), Torrance.
Mr. E. R. Rogers, Inspector of Prisons and Asylums, attended but was not
examined.
Mr. J. F. Mowat, Chief Clerk and Accountant of the License Branch,
attended but was not examined.
Mr. A. J. McGee, Secretary-Treasurer of the Temiskaming and Northern
Ontario Railway, attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. J. H. Jackson, Superintendent of the Queen Victoria Xiagara Falls
Park, attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. Paul Morand, License Inspector for Xorth Essex, attended and was
sworn and examined.
Mr. Eudo Saunders, Chief Officer of the License Branch, attended and
was sworn and examined.
On motion of IMr. Proudfoot, seconded by Mr. Bowman,
Ordered, That H. D. Symmes, William Ward, Charles Lobb and William
rapper, all of the City of St. Catharines, be called as witnesses at the next
sitting of the Committee and that they produce all contracts, accounts and other
papers in any way relating to Section 4 of the Xiagara Boulevard.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Thursday, April 23rd, at
10.30 a.m.
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Public Accounts Committee Room,
Thursday, April 23rd, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10.30 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Bowman, Ebbs,
Galna, Hendrie, Lucas, MacArthur, Munro, McCrea, McGarry, Proudfoot,
Powell. Scholfield, Thompson (Simcoe), Torrance.
]\Ir. E. R. Rogers, Inspector of Prisons and Asylums, attended and was
sworn and examined.
On motion of Mr. Bowman, seconded by Mr. Proudfoot,
Ordered, That License Inspector Burrows, of the City of Toronto, be
summoned to appear before the Public Accounts Committee at its next meet-
ing to give evidence with reference to the item of $901,486.03, receipts from
licenses, appearing on page al6 of the Public Accounts, 1912-13.
Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, April 24th. at
10.30 a.m.
Public Accounts Committee Room,
Friday, April 24th, 1914.
Committee met pursuant to adjournment at 10 a.m.
Present — Messieurs Ferguson (Grenville), Chairman; Ebbs, Eraser,
Galna, Hartt, Hendrie, ^MacArthur, Munro, Musgrove, McGarry, McQueen,
Proudfoot, Racine, Scholfield, Torrance.
Mr. William Upper attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. Charles Lobb attended and was sworn and examined.
Mr. R. S. Burrows, Chief License Inspector, attended and was sworn and
examined.
The Report was then read and adopted and the Committee adjourned.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 17
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS CO:\niITTEE.
Meeting for Organization.
March 13, 1914.
The Committee met at 11 a.m. Mr. G. IT. Ferguson, of Grenville, elected
Chairman.
Mr. Ferguson : I do not know that there is any business to be done this
morning. This meeting is only for organization purposes, and that consists
only of electing a chairman and deciding when to meet again. I do not think
it well to meet on either Tuesday or Thursday, as the Municipal and Private
Bills Committees take so many of our members. Our usual practice in the
past has been to meet on Wednesdays and Fridays^ and I would suggest that
we meet on Wednesday next at 11 o'clock.
In the absence of Mr. Elliott Mr. Bowman moved for the appearance of
W. A. Eushworth before the Committee to give evidence regard the item of
$220,595.76 on page a21 of the Public Accounts of 1912.
Mr. Chairman : It might be none of my business what that is, but I am
going to ask an}*way. I understand that there was some limitation agreed
upon as to the extent to which you should go into the back accounts.
Mr. Bowman: Probably if I told you what that is it would facilitate
matters. It is in connection with New Ontario, the Jackson concession. Mr.
Eushworth was one of the parties who got the concession originally from the
Government. The matter was up last year before the Public Accounts Com-
mittee. We had the Deputy Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines up in
connection with the matter.
Mr. Chairman: My understanding of the arrangement was somewhat dif-
ferent from that. As I understand it the reference of the 1912 accounts, to this
Committee this year, is entirely a departure from the usual procedure. In
■ fact I am told it is the first occasion of the kind. It is probable that that is
correct. I am also told that when the question was raised as to why it should
be done there was an understanding that there were some few items in the
accounts of 1912 that perhaps the Committee desired to deal with. While it
does not appear in the procedure, as set out, the real eifect of the reference, I
understand, was, that certain items referred to — the Hydro-Electric, and some-
thing about Col. Belcher, and one or two others were to be considered by it.
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]\Ir. Bowman : I don't know anything- about that. I had nothing to do
■with that. I was given to understand that we were at liberty to bring up
matters in connection with the accounts of 1912, with certain reservations.
Mk. Ciiairmax: Anything in the accounts of 1912 ?
Mr. Bowman: With certain reservations. But the motion is in Mr.
Elliott's name and probably he knows more about it than I do.
Mr. Chairman : What we want to get at before we adopt these resolutions
is to know how far we are going. Surely we are not going to review the whole
of the 1912 accounts along with those of 1913. But perhaps we can adopt these
resolutions with this reservation, that we will look at the material and see
whether it comes within the scope of the inquiry properly.
Mr. Bowman : In other words, you will see how dangerous it is going to
Ibecome.
Motions allowed in connection with various items.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, March 18th,
at 10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
April 15th, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. Chairman : We have another letter here from Mr. Jackson, written
■on the 8th. He says : — " I have just returned from Michigan and have your
favors of the 1st and 3rd and your despatch of the Tth. In reply I wish to
inform you that I am obliged to leave here for the East, to take care of a prior
■engagement, and will be away a matter of ten days. As far as I can see ahead
now, I can arrange to comply with your request between the 25th and 30th of
the month."
" Yours truly,
" W. K. Jackson. '
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You also asked for jMr. Sproule. This memoranda you gave me for
Mr. Spronle re the amounts of the Public and Separate school o'rants for the
fiscal year 1912-1.3, the basis of arriving at the percentage of reduction of the
grants in the case of Public and Separate schools. Mr. Sproule has stated that
that does not come from him. So T had it sent over to the Educational Depart-
ment and a gentleman from the Department is here now with information in
reference to it.
Mr. Joiix R. IIuMniREYs, called and sworn.
]\rE. Bowman: Mr. Humphreys, I want to ask you a few questions in
regard to the item on page 67 of the Public Accounts of 1912-13. I see there
" General grants, Rural, Public and Separate Schools, $382,.585.26."
A. — Yes, sir,
Q. — And, according to the detailed statement, a portion of that was paid
to Rural Public and Rural Separate schools, am I right in saying that ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — In what way does the Department arrive at the grants which are given
to the various counties — I see in Bruce there was given to the Public schools
$13,760.85 and to the Separate schools $1,082.36. How were those arrived at?
A. — We first divide the total vote on the basis of average attendance be-
tween the Public and Separate schools of the Province. The Public school
share, approximately, of the $400,000 vote is a little over 92 per cent, and the
share of the Separate schools amounts to a little over 7 per cent. That is on
the average attendance. The amounts obtained by that method are then divided
between the Public and Separate schools on tlie basis of the regulations, covered
by Instruction 12, that is as to salaries, certificates and so on. The only differ-
ence is that we take from this $400,000 $60,000 which is an equipment and
accommodation grant, for which the counties furnish an equivalent amount.
In arriving at the reduction of 28 per cent, that $60,000 is not touched.
Q. — Referring to the reduction of 28 per cent. I understand you to say
that only applies on the amounts given in connection with salaries and certifi-
cates ? That is correct ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — How is that reduction of 28 per cent, arrived at ?
A. — The total amount of grants earned by the Public schools under head-
ings one, two, and three, that is grants on salaries, certificates and fixed grants,
amounted to $434,.528.6.5. Those grants are grants on salaries and certificates
alone, and exclusive of the equipment grants. The total appropriation we had
to share was only $369,178.71, so that we had to make a pro-rata reduction of
28 per cent, in order to keep to the amount.
Q. — Was last year the first year you had that experience?
A. — Xo, sir ; for the last two or three years we have had that.
Q. — In previous years you didn't have enough money?
A.— Yes.
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J. A.
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Q. — AVas last year the only year any reduction was made ?
A. — Yes. AVe had always been able to get the Treasury Board to give us
the deficit.
Q. — And last year you couldn't get the Treasury Board to do so ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — And for that reason you were obliged to make a reduction of 28
per cent. ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In what way are these payments made. Are they not payable to the
County Treasurer ?
A. — To the County Treasurer, yes. They are subdivided by him and
turned over to the Township Treasurers.
Q. — How is the amount arrived at, how is the Department able to arrive
at it?
A. — We have a report from the Inspector stating the salaries paid the
different teachers, the grade of the certificates.
Q. — The starting point for arriving at the grants is the Inspector's report ?
A. — Quite so.
Q. — That report comes to the Department?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What happens to it there ?
A. — We go over it, verify the figures, refer to the regulations. We go
over the whole matter and see what corrections are necessary.
Q. — When the Department become satisfied that the report is correct what
happens then ?
A. — We make a report of the amount of money required to pay the two
grants in that County. Of course the amount isn't sufficient as voted by the
Legislature — —
Q. — What happens to the Inspector's report? »
A. — It is filed and one sent to the Township Clerk.
Q. — He makes it in duplicate ?
A. — In triplicate.
Q. — One is kept in the Department ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And one goes to the County Treasurer ?
A. — To the Township Clerk and through him to the Townshiji Treasurer.
Q. — To the Township Treasurer ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You split it into townships ?
A. — Yes, to the school section for each township.
Q. — You don't remit to the townships ?
A. — No, to the County Treasurer. He subdivides it.
Q. — I am right in assuming he gets a copy, a certified copy of this Inspec-
tor's report ?
A. — Quite so.
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Q. — Certified by whom ?
A. — By the Deputy ^linister of Education and by the Inspector in charge
of the Inspectors.
Q. — In connection with the school grants of last year, did the reduction
of 28 per cent, apply to both Rural Public schools and Rural Separate schools ?
A. — No, only to Public schools.
Q. — The Separate schools get 100 per cent, of their grants ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And the Public schools ?
A. — 28 per cent, reduction.
Mb. McGaery: The grants generally to the schools were just as large as
the year previous ?
A.— Yes.
Q'. — There was no reduction in the grant for educational purposes ?
A.— No.
Q. — The only reduction is in the application of the grant to the counties ?
A. — Yes, of course we had the Treasury Board order last year of $80,000
in addition to the $400,000.
Q. — That $80,000 you were this year imable to get?
Hon. De. Reaume: The fact of the matter is that the grant was as much
this year as last year, but the schools earned more, which made the payments to
the sections a little less.
A. — The schools earned more money for the year and of course we hadn't
the money to distribute.
Mr. Bowmax: Did the Rural Public and Separate schools earn more
money in 1913 than in 1912?
A. — The Public schools did.
Q. — How much more ?
A. — There was a difference of about $40,000.
Mr. Chairman : They earned $40,000 more, this time ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry : That is due to increases in salaries ?
A. — Yes, increased salaries.
Q. — An increase in teachers ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And I suppose increased equipment generally ?
A. — Yes, general improvement.
Me. Bowman : If you had treated it the same way in 1913 as in 1912, and
the extra money provided, what percentage of the grants would you have been
able to pay ?
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A. — If we had been given the same as in 1912 we would have been able to
pay all but about 6 per cent.
Q. — You would have been able to pay 94 per cent. ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In order to pa^- the full amount what would it have required a
grant of?
A.— $120,000 more.
Q.— In 1913?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Chairman : It simply means improved conditions in the Education
Department that require more money to maintain it.
A. — Quite so.
Mr. Eilber : It simply shows the estimate was low. That is all there
is of it.
Mk. Bowman : It was the same as last year.
The witness was then excused.
Mr. S. a. Armstrong^ recalled.
Mr. Bowman : I just want to ask a few questions in connection with things
we were going over here the other day. I would like to get some further
explanations, simply to see whether my own ideas are correct, and if Mr. Arm-
strong will verify them. I see, in connection with the expenditures here,
" Heating and ventilation systems of dormitories, cells, centre guard tower and
inside administration building " some $15,000 odd — $15,128.58. You estimate
that to finish that would cost $19,871.42, or, approximately, a total of $35,000?
A, — That is correct.
Q. — What is in that heating system ?
A. — The two are combined. The dormitories and cell blocks have two
heating imits in each which takes care of a dormitory and cell block. The
dormitory is along here and the cells along here. This is the place where these
heaters come down through. That unit controls this block and that block. My
recollection — if I remember rightly — I have that on record — is that the heat-
ing for this unit cost $15,000 and for the same unit on this side another
$15,000. That is including heating and ventilation. That would make
$30,000. I think the additional sum of money, if I remember rightly, is made
up of a ventilation contract on the centre guard tower costing, I think, $4,000.
That would make it $34,000.
Q. — Give us some idea of the nature of the system you have there. You
have the Harrison system I understand. Can you indicate how you heat
each unit?
A. — It is rather hard to describe that.
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Q. — Well, just the general principles of it.
A. — There are two kinds of heating. Direct heating and indirect heating
or hot blast system. The ordinary indirect heating, combining ventilation at
the same time, is driving cold air over superheated steam coils. For that equip-
ment you have to have a boiler plant, steam coils, fans, air washer, ducts arid
one thing and another. That isn't the hot blast system. I can illustrate it
better by the process. For these steam coils and steam transmission lines which
would be necessary to heat these coils, we substitute what is called the Harrison
air tube system. It consists of a number of horizontal tubes which are heated
from the furnace below and the cold air is passed through these tubes and passed
on through the ducts. We get precisely the same thing as with the hot blast
system, with the exception that we dispense with the boiler plant, steam trans-
mission lines, etc. It is maintained that we get something like 85 per cent.
efficiency from our fuel. That is the heating we have in these two buildings.
Q. — You do your heating by forcing hot air through pipes into the dormi-
tories and cells by means of fans ?
A. — Yes, it is returned reheated and passed on over again.
Q. — You made a reference to a washing system. Is that air taken out and
passed through a washing system.
A. — After the air is used it is returned and passed through the washing
machine. It is a simple thing. A small pump keeps churning the water up
and down and the foul air is passed through. We have every dormitory
equipped or heated with air from these Harrison heaters. We adopted that
system of combining ventilation with heating, and by returning the air we
economize in fuel.
Q. — It gives a perfect heating and ventilating system — considered perfect ?
A. — Yes. Before we decided to adopt the Harrison system we made exten-
sive investigations. We had taken the matter up with the Treasury Depart-
ment at Washington which had used them in a number of buildings the Wash-
ing Government had erected. They spoke highly of it. We got engineers to
make a full report on the whole system. They gave us a complete report and
also gave us an alternative system using the steam blast system. Our decision
was that having regard to our class of labor, where labor is not a factor in
handling coal and ashes, it would pay better as a capital investment to use the
Harrison heating system over any enlarged boilers.
Q. — If I remember rightly you have 125 cells in what you call the cell
blocks ?
A. — I think that is the number.
Q. — When these cells are complete what will be the equipment in each cell ?
A, — Each cell will be equipped with a lavatory and closet. We simply
adopt the practice that has been adopted in all modern jails that have gone up.
In Montreal's big district jail they adopted the same thing. The Federal
Government has adopted the same thing. The New York State Commission,
Ohio and other States have adopted the same principle.
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Q. — I tliink that is all, ^\i\ Armstrong — but just to complete the equip-
ment of the cells there. What is the full equipment of the cells ?
A. — Lavatory and closet with a bed and a chair.
Q. — T think that is all we want.
Mr, Sproule^ recalled.
Mr. BowarAN : This is in connection with the amount of securities sold
in connection with ISTorthern Ontario Development.
A. — Excuse me just a moment at the start
Mr. Chairman : What page of the accounts is that ?
Mr. Bowman: Page 68 and YOa.
Mr. Sproule : As to this question of a development fund, I wish Mr. Bow-
man would not ask me to go over that ground, because we have no such fund in
our records and I, as an official, cannot go back of the Policy of the Department.
Mr. Bowman : We can probably get it in another way.
A. — I have another sheet here giving you full information in a different
form, that is all.
Q. — I see, " Stock and Treasury bills issued under authority of 2 George
v., Cap. 2 "
A. — That is simply a record of the transactions as they appear in our
books and the Public Accounts and you can make what disposition you choose
of them.
Mr. Johnson : What does this inquiry relate to ?
Mr. BoWiVfAN : It is in connection with Provincial Securities sold and
issued under authority of 2 George V., Cap. 2.
Mr. McCrea: What page is that in the Public Accounts?
Mr. Chairman: a68 and a70.
Mr. Bowma^" : I see by this, Mr. Sproule, that the first amount in con-
nection with these issues of Stock and Treasury Bills, issued under 2 George
v., Cap. 2, was in 1912, an amount of £300,000, the first issue £200,000 and
the second £100,000.
A. — Yes. Those appear in the Public Accounts of 191 2, of course.
Q. — You give us here — these two items are the proceeds of the sale ?
A. — That is the amount issued in pounds and that is the amount issued
in dollars, then these are the net proceeds.
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Q.— ^The proceeds of the first sale in 1912 — the first amount sold amounted
to $954,101.62. That is correct?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And the proceeds of the second sale in 1912 was $476,895.93.
A.— The total of these two would be $1,430,997.55.
Q. — The amount expended to the end of the fiscal year of 1912 was
$236,833.57?
A.— Yes.
Q. — So that, if my addition and subtraction are correct, there was unex-
pended to the first of February, 1912, $1,194,163.94. Then this next sale
dated the 13th of February, 1913, which netted the Province $100,000. I see
you have here ix) the 14th of February a total expenditure of $239,746.32.
That figures out that from the first of ISTovember, 1912, to the 14th of February,
1912, was $2,912.75, bringing the total to $239,746.32, according to that
statement ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Can you tell me what purpose was served, as far as the Treasury
Department was concerned, in .selling more securities when there was a large
unexpended balance at that date ?
Me. Chairman : Mr. Sproule cannot answer that.
A. — No. The Treasurer had better answer that.
Me. Chairman : These funds were for general purposes.
Mr. Bowman : What is meant by general services ?
A. — Expenditure on other services included in the estimates of 1912-13.
Mr. Chairman : You mean it is put into the Consolidated Revenue Fund ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Bowman: You say, "expenditure for other services," what is im-
plied by other services ?
A. — Everything. General services under the estimates approved by the
Legislature.
Q. — I see. Then
A. — Public buildings. Colonization roads, everything it is required for.
Mr. Chairman: The money is not earmarked. It all goes into the Con-
solidated Fund ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Johnson : That was explained by Mr. Lucas in the House.
Me. Bowman : To get back to 2 George V., Cap. 2 — what authority — for
what purposes has the Treasurer got authority to raise money by the sale of
Stock and Treasury Bills under 2 George V., Cap. 2 ?
A. — I do not follow that.
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Q. — What is the authority given the Treasurer under this statute ?
A. — That is an interpretation of the statute he must answer for. I am
only an official. I do not have to answer for the policy or system of the Depart-
ment for which he alone is responsible.
Q. — As Assistant Provincial Treasurer you are conversant with 2 George
v., Cap. 2 ?
A. — In a general way, yes.
ATk. Chairman : It would have to he the Treasurer who could interpret
that, not Mr. Sproule.
A. — That is the point. That is what I call Policy or System. That,
the Treasurer is responsible for. He must answer as to his authority under
the statutes. I have nothing to do with t^at.
Q. — According to this statement here the second sale in 1913 took place
on the 30th of July. That is a sale of Treasury Bills ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What was the actual cost, on a percentage basis, of these loans ?
A.— 5.908.
Q. — That is 5.908 per cent, per annum?
A. — Nearly six per cent.
Q. — These Treasury Bills were issued — the first were issued on July 30th,
were they not ?
A. — The dates are given there.
Q. — And the second sale on September 3 ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — At a total cost for interest of 5.908 per annum. What disposition is
made of the balance on hand unexpended?
A. — It is all deposited in the Banks. Of course we keep two accounts,
current and special. In the current account we keep sufficient to meet current
expenses a few days ahead. The other amounts we place on special deposit
at three per cent.
Q. — So that any unexpended balance in connection with the sale of these
Treasury Bills, which cost the Province 5.908 per annum, would be deposited
in Banks from which the Province is receiving three per cent.
A. — A portion of it. Until we require it, in place of leaving it in current
account we put it in special account, it may be for a week or it may be for a
month.
Mr. Chairman : You get interest on special accounts and don't get any
on current account.
A.— Yes.
Mb.. Johnson : You don't keep a permanent deposit in the bank ?
A. — It is permanent in a way. If we have an excess of money on hand,
in place of allowing it to lie idle we place it to special accoimt.
Mr. Chairman: What is the interest on — the monthly total or weekly
balance ?
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A, — If we have a hundred thousand more thau we require to use within
a few days, in order to have the interest we put it to special account.
Q. — if you had it there only a week would they allow you interest
on it (
A. — Yes.
Q. — It is a daily balance 'i
A. — Until it is withdrawn from special account it is on interest.
Mii. Johnson: Or any part of it. Whatever the balance is you get
interest ?
A. — Exactly.
Q. — You do not cheque against the special account for ordinary ex-
penses ?
A.— No.
Q. — You cheque on the current account for current expenses i
A. — Yes. If we have $100,000 to place to special deposit we take four
special deposit receipts of $25,000 each. Then in a few days, if we want
$25,000, we take one down and then we lose interest on that, leaving $75,000
they have to pay us interest for.
Mr. McCrea: On the money in the special account you always get
interest ?
A. — Yes, we always get interest.
Mr. Bowman: The total expenditure on Northern Ontario Develop-
ment on the first of November, 1913, was $1,300,489.12. The total net pro-
ceeds of all the securities in the shape of Stock or Treasury Bills issued
under the authority of 2 George V. Cap 2 was $4,362,838.72. So that the
difference between the amount expended on Northern Ontario Development
and the net proceeds would amount to $3,062,349.60 . . . might I under-
stand— do you consider that money all expended ?
A. — That is all expended, yes.
Q. — You consider the total amount of $4,362,838.72 has been expended.
You say it was all expended in this way. For other services included in the
estimates of 1912-13, $3,062,349.60. Is there any special service included
in the estimates of 1912-13 paid out of this amount of three million odd, or do
you treat it as general ?
A. — We treat it as general. All the money comes into the general bank
account and is drawn out as required.
Mr. Chairman : What Parliament authorizes you to pay ; you pay from
that fund ?
A. — We take it to pay accounts in connection with the appropriations
approved by the House.
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Mr. McCrea: In using moneys out of the Consolidated Revenue Funds
for other than the various purposes authorized by Special Act, you do not
mean that the four millions raised for Northern Ontario is used for other
purposes, to the loss of that fund. Under the administration of the Consoli-
dated Revenue Fund the money specially voted for special purposes, in the
final administration goe^ to the special purposes for which it is legislated ?
Mr. Chairman: In a word, Northern Ontario gets all that is voted to it.
A. — I cannot quite follow that. We will have to raise more money to
make it good.
Mr. Chairman: It all goes into Consolidated Revenue Fund and is
chequed out for all purposes ?
A. — That is the simple way of looking at it.
Mr. McCrae: There is no diversion of funds for unauthorized pur-
poses ?
A. — ^Oh, no. Everything is done in a regular way, and all expenditures
are approved by the Audit Office.
Mr. McCrea: The money authorized goes to the purpose for which it
is authorized. I do not mean it is not earmarked, but that, in the final
administration, the sum authorized to be paid for certain purposes gets
there.
A. — I cannot answer that right off. It depends on what you call " autb
orized."
Mr. Bowman: Can you tell me what was the amount, the total amount
of the securities which the Treasurer was authorized to issue under 2 George V,
Cap. 2. Is there any amount specified in 2 George V, Cap. 2 ?
A. — The Act speaks for itself. I have it here.
Mr. Chairman: It isn't your business to watch the statutes?
A. — My responsibilty regarding any of these sums starts when the pro-
ceeds come to the Department, then I look after it.
Mr. Bowman: If under the statute 2 Geo. V. Cap. 2 authority is given
the Treasurer to issue securities to the extent of five millions, when that five
millions is all expended, either for Northern Ontario Development or other
services if at the time that is expended, there hasn't been expended more
than two millions for Northern Ontario Development, and it was necessary
to spend another three millions, it would be necessary to get additional legisla-
tion?
Mr. Chairman : How can he know that ?
Mr. Bowman : Oh, yes —
Mr. Chairman: Mr. Sproule, you don't know whether to legislate-
A. — We would have to have authority. If it is necessary to borrow we
would have to get authority from legislation.
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Mr. Chairinian : If the act authorizes you to spend five million and you
borrow five million ; two million you use for Northern Ontario, the other three
millions is still in Consolidated Revenue, if not expended for other purposes.
If you want more money for Northern Ontario you do not necessarily require
to get new legislation, if the money comes in from any other source, so that you
do not necessarily require legislation ?
A. — Quite so.
Mr. Bowman: If it doesn't come in from any other source of revenue,
the only course would be by borrowing more, and for that you would need
authority ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In addition to these securities sold last year, I see there were other
securities sold here under 8 Edward 7, Cap. 12, $1,600,000 was issued of four
per cent. Bonds and Stock. Can you tell me how they were disposed of last
year — but perhaps you haven't that information. It may be necessary to
give you time to get that.
A. — I went over that.
Mr. Chairman : That is on page 69.
Mr. Bowman : Yes.
A. — I was notified to appear in connection with statements 17, 18 and 19.
Mr. Bowman: Just refer to the sale made last year. What is the usual
course in selling. "WTiat course do you adopt in selling these debentures. Do
you advertise for tenders, or how do you arrive at the prices ?
]\[r. Chairman: I suppose you place them with a brokerage firm or
somebody that goes on the market with them and gets the best market price ?
A. — That is it. We sell to the brokers, as we find we can get the best
price.
Mr. Bowman : Is it customary for the Department to issue a big block of
stock by way of option, for a certain length of time. Is that the usual course ?
A. — Options have been given for a week or a short term that way. xV
broker comes in and says he is going down to New York and wants permission
to say he can produce this stock at a certain figure so on certain occasions the
Treasurer has given options of that sort.
Q. — Last year, was an option given in any different way for a longer time
than usual. Will you kindly look that up by the next meeting?
A. — I do not think there was anything special in any of the options.
Q. — Will you kindly look that up — I understand last year these securities
sold on a basis of 90. How did you arrive at the value as being 90?
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A. — There was only a block we sold at 90.
Q. — Wasn't there a considerable amonnt in the option given Murray,
Mather & Co. What was the amonnt sold to Murray, Mather & Co. ?
A. — $1,770,000 of that three millions issued, was sold from November 1.
1912 to October 31, 1913, at various prices, according to the market. $1,225,450
of this amount we sold to Murray, Mather & Co.
Q. — Have you the prices at which they were sold ?
A. — The prices — starting out in the early part of jSTovember, 1912, we
got two per cent, premium. We sold at 102.
Mk. Johnson : What was the interest ?
A. — Four per cent. . . . We got a premium on the sales up to March,
1913, then the market began to lull.
Me. Bowman : When was the first sale at a discount ?
A.— In May, 1913.
Q. — What was the amount of that sale?
A.— $2,150 sold at par; in May, 1913, $133,000 sold at par. Then it
dropped to 97 in the latter part of May.
Q.— In June you sold $95,000 at 97?
A. — Yes, and $50,000. That ran along in May, June and July. In June
there was another, block of $50,000 at 94.01, and in September, $1,225,400
at 92.
Q. — That is the three millions. . . . What securities were sold last year
on which an option was given to Murray, Mather & Co. at 90. Was any
sold at 90 ?
A. — That is the one. The sale price is 92, and we allow a brokerage of
two per cent.
Q. — I see, the sale in Sepetmber is the one on which Murray, Mather & Co.
had an option ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In September ?
A. — If they had an option. I do not think there was an option.
Q. — You are not prepared to say whether there was an option or not ?
A. — No, the Treasurer was negotiating with them.
Q. — You had nothing to do with that ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — That was done personally by the Treasurer ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — So that whether there was an option or not you are not aware ? .
A.— Xo.
Q. — As Assistant Treasurer do you deal with the matter of the price at
which these securities are sold. Do you determine what price you should
get, or the market value ?
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A. — These matters are talked over in the Department with the Treasurer,
and he may refer to me and he may not. He studies the markets.
Q. — Can you tell me whether you made a report ?
A. — I made no report.
Q. — There was a material drop from June to September in price.
A. — We wanted money and there was no market for the bonds, practically.
It was for that reason and in order to clear out the balance, Murray, Mather
& Co. were given the balance on hand.
Q. — You do not know whether the Department had bids from other people ?
At that time?
A. — I do not know definitely that we did. I know we would have been
glad to have sold to anyone who came along with better bids.
Mr. Johnson : Are these long date Bonds or Treasury Bills ?
A. — This is stock. That is, three million stock sold here in Canada. That
is in statement No. 18.
Me. Bowman : They are due in 1943.
Mr. Chairman: Thirty-year bonds.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, April 17th, at
10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
April 18, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. Chairman : We have a resolution here asking for the attendance
this morning of Mr. Rushworth. Someone wished to examine him. He is
here.
Mr. Elliott : There was a resolution asking Mr. White to bring certain
papers here.
The Clerk: Mr. White was here and left. He said he would have to
be sent for.
Mr. Chairman: Mr. ^^^lite will be here. •
32 APPEIsTDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Mr. Elliott: If he will bring those papers we can proceed with Mr.
Eushworth. I see Mr. Roadhouse is here, perhaps we can proceed with that
matter first.
Mr. Chairman : I understand Mr. Eushworth is anxious to get away.
Mr. Elliott: I do not fancy that with Mr. Eoadhouse we will be long,
so that perhaps we should dispose of that first.
Mr. Eoadhouse called and sworn :
Mr. Elliott: There is the item of $11,000 on page 372 of the 1912
accounts, and one of $19,000 odd, on page 323. . . . Mr. Eoadhouse, you
are Deputy Minister of Agriculture ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Then, do you remember you were asked to obtain certain information
about the items referred to in the motion?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And I believe you did not have the opportunity of laying that informa-
tion before the Committee — you were not again before the Committee ?
A. — I do not think I was called finally.
Q. — Then that information hasn't been received by the Committee ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Have you that information ready now?
A. — I have the vouchers, regarding that account, if that is what you wish.
Q. — Xo, as I recollect — as it would appear from the minutes of that meet-
ing I see you were to furnish a list of employees in the old country office, their
duties and salaries.
A. — Well, I have nothing before me but the motion to appear and give
evidence in regard to this item of $19,000 appearing on that page. ... I
recall, now that you refresh my memory, being asked for a list. I came up
with that information, but I do not remember whether it was submitted. But
I did not bring that with me this morning. I did not know what questions
you were going to ask.
Q. — You remember the information you were asked to get ?
A. — I remember being asked for that list, yes.
Q. — How long would it take you to get that information ?
A. — I do not think it would take long.
Q. — Could you bring it at this session of the Committee ?
A. — I think so. I would not like to say definitely. I think it is all in
the Public Accounts. I could go through them in half an hour and pick up
the details.
Q. — Perhaps if you would do that it would facilitate matters. ... I
notice an item of $11,000 and some odd. If I remember the motion cor-
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rectly, that was advanced by the Department. Do you remember that item
of $11,685?
A. — That item I believe was advanced by the Pnblic Works Department^
consequently it was not handled by me at all.
Q. — Is that amount an advance to Mr. Colcock?
A. — Xo, that item has to do with building. That is the item of $11,000.
The item of $19,000 had to do with assisted passages.
Q. — That is the item of $19,000 on page 323 of the accounts?
A.— Yes.
Q. — As I understand it, about four pounds per passenger is advanced ?
A. — That is correct.
Q. — Of that item of $19,000. At the time we examined you before there
was a considerable proportion of that, perhaps fifteen or twenty per cent. I
think, was your estimate roughly, which had not been paid back?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Are you in a position to tell us what portion has since been received ?
A. — I am not in a position to tell definitely, but from eighty-five to ninety
per cent, has, I believe, been paid back.
Q. — As I see by your evidence here before, that was the percentage you
put in at that time. Your expectation was that the balance would come in,
if I remember your evidence correctly. Would you be in a position to tell
now ? What we want to ascertain is, how much has since come back.
Me. Chaieman : How much of what was owing a year ago has since been
paid back.
Me. Eoadhouse : I could ascertain that by going into it in detail. Roughly
speaking, we estimate that we get back ninety per cent, of the loans advanced
through the colonization branch.
Q. — You wouldn't expect to find a great deal of the balance in since ?
A.— Xo.
Me. Musgeove: How do you account for the loss of the other ten per
cent. ?
A. — Well, serious illness, and various causes of that nature, makes it diffi-
cult to collect. We keep track of it as long as we can. We keep after them.
We do not forfeit our claims, but there is generally a small percentage, around
ten per cent., that it is -very difficult to collect.
Me. Musgeove : You just trust to the honesty of the labourer to send in
the money.
A. — We have their signature, and that is endorsed by people on the other
side, so that if they are able to pay we generally get it. But, frequently, we
have cases of serious illness, or something has happened when the man came
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out here and he has been deported. There is probably an odd case or two of
that nature. Various circumstances like that would account for, perhaps, ten
per cent.
Me. Musgrove: I was asking, because I have a case in my own mind,
a case in my district where he was told the Government was only trying to get
it out of him. and had no right to it. The labour men told him the Government
were taking it away from him. That might happen in some cases.
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Hox. De. Reaume: I suppose you cannot control that.
Me. Roadhouse : There are cases like that where a man disregards his
signature and promises and disappears altogether.
Me. Elliott: Is it any offence, where money is advanced to pay the
passage of an intending labourer, to pay his passage out, that is so as to
immigrants.
Me. Chairman : That is a question of law, Mr. Roadhouse couldn't answer
that.
'M^. Elliott : But no proceedings of that kind have been taken in regard
to that, at any rate.
Mr. Roadhouse: Xo, as a matter of fact the plan of assisted passages
has been adopted by the other Provinces and by the Australian States.
Mr. Elliott: Can you tell me how many assisted immigrants there
were last year, compared with a year ago, who secured advances similar to
that?
A. — T think it is pretty much the same, but I cannot tell exactly without
looking it up.
Q. — Perhaps you could get that information and also let us have an
idea of the amount of that money paid back.
A. — In order to tell the amount of that I would have to go back and look
up the names and see if the names are the names covered by that sum. I would
not be able to get that this morning. I will try and get the other.
Mr. Aubrey White: Deputy Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
called and sworn:
Mr. Elliott : Mr. White, you are Deputy Minister of Lands ?
A. — Yes.
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Q, — I believe joii produced before the Committee, a year ago, an agree-
ment relating to the sale of these two townships?
A. — Yes, that is Kendry and Ilaggart.
Q, — Have you that ?
A. — It is on the table there.
Q. — Let me have a look at it. . . . This is an agreement entered
into between His Majesty, represented by the Minister of Lands, Forests and
Mines, and Messrs. Jackson, Rushworth and Wigle, dated the 14th of June,
1912. Have you any personal knowledge of the negotiations leading up to
this agreement?
A. — Xone, w^hatever.
Q. — By w^hom was that conducted ?
A. — That, I suppose, would be conducted by the Minister.
Q. — Is that the usual course?
A. — Yes, that is the usual course.
Q. — In matters of that kind ?
A. — Yes, in matters of that kind. When the negotiations are finished
he comes to me.
Q. — There is also an assignment of this agreement. Can you tell me
the date of that assignment?
A. — That is the assignment from those parties to the Jackson, Tyndall
Company — I think you have that there, sir.
Q. — Is that dated the 14th of June also?
A.^That is the original agreement, I think.
Q. — There seems to be an assignment dated the 14th of June.
(Witness hands over document.)
This assignment is dated the 10th day of October, 1912. Do you know
if there was any previous assignment ?
A. — 'Ro, I think not, sir. The original agreement was with the Jackson,
Rushworth, Wigle syndicate. They assigned to Jackson & Tyndall, and they
assigned in turn to the Xorthern Ontario Colonization Company. Those are
the three assignments.
Q. — This is the first assignment, is it not, Mr. White — (handing document
to witness).
A. — Yes. that is it. That is the assignment from Jackson, Wigle and
Rushworth to George Jackson, Annette Jackson and T^mdall.
Q. — That is the same date as the agreement with His Majesty, repre-
sented by the ]\Iinister ?
A. — I don't know about that.
Q. — This next assignment is an assignment dated the 10th of October.
That would be the Xorthern Ontario Colonization Company one ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Are there any others, as far as you know ?
A. — Xot as far as I know.
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Q. — That is the transactiou as far as you have any record?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — And can voii tell iis the amount of land in those two townships ?
A. — ^Roughly speaking, "I think about 100,000 acres. The money paid is
there. You can get at it from that.
Mr. Chaikmax : What was the price paid per acre ?
Mk. Elliott: A dollar an acre.
Mk. Chaiemax : What was the total price ?
Me. Elliott: $98,000.
Me. White : There was a little less than 100,000 acres.
Me. Bowman: $98,838.
Me. Elliott: I understand, Mr. White, you were not consulted on this,
or asked for a report before this transfer was put through ?
A. — I would not say I was not consulted about the character of the
country and that sort of thing. That would be a matter of discussion with
me if the Minister asked my opinion.
Q. — Did you make a report?
A. — I don't remember making a written report.
Q. — My recollection is that you said before that you were not asked for
a report.
A.— Xo.
Q. — As far as you know there was no report?
A.— Xo.
Q. — So that no report was made by anybody ?
A. — We had the reports of the surveyors who surveyed the townships.
Q. — How long were they made before this agreement was entered into ?
A. — Two or three years, I suppose.
Q. — That was just a general report ?
A. — ^Yes, a general survey.
Q. — And was not a specific report made with a view to sale ?
A. — Xo, not with a view to sale.
Q. — There was no such report ?
A. — I do not think there was.
Q. — You have no idea whether there was any investigation as to the
value of the timber.
A. — I do not think there was anything except the report of the surveyors.
Of course we have had subsequent valuations.
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Q. — Have jou any other documents, Mr. White, than the correspondence
here, ^'on state an ins])ection was made by yonr officer subsequently. . .
Is that the statement from your otlicer (showing document) ?
A. — Yes.
Q.— Who was he ?
A.— Mr. McDonald.
Q. — When was that report made ?
A. — The report was made on the 20th of February, 1913.
Q. — About six months after the sale ?
A. — Yes. That was a report of what they had done. There is also a
report as to the character of the townships.
Q. — A report as to the character of the townships.
A. — Yes, as to the timber.
Q. — What is the date of that?
A.— That is dated March 17th, 1913.
Q. — That is a year ago — who was it made by?
A. — Mr. McDonald, Crown Timber agent at Cochrane.
Q. — Have you any other report in connection with this ?
A. — ^Then we had a report by Mr. Whitson as to what they have done.
That is in December of 1913, I think.
Q.— That is December 18, 1913?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That is a later report ?
A. — Yes, that is the last report, of course.
Me. Elliott: I will have these marked as exhibits, Mr. Chairman. I
think it would be just as well to have these marked as we go along. . . . The
first agreement is Exhibit (1), dated the 14th of June, 1912 (former Exhibit
58). The assignment dated the same day would be Exhibit (2). The assign-
ment dated the 10th of October would be Exhibit (3). The report dated
February 20th would be Exhibit (4). The report dated March 17th, would
be Exhibit (5), and the report dated the 18th of December would be Exhibit
(6). . . . Now these other papers, Mr. White, in what way do they refer
to that transaction ? I see one, a permit to destroy old camps.
A. — That has no bearing at all.
Q. — Niot with this transaction ?
A.— No.
Q. — There is, on June 29th, a report of A. J. McDonald re islands in
Kendry ?
A. — Yes, they wanted to buy some islands, but we wouldn't sell them.
Q. — That was subsequent to these negotiations ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — There is a report to C. J. Powell ?
A. — That is Mr. Powell, of Pelleville. He wrote for a copy of the
agreement, which was sent him.
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Q. — What are the other papers ?
A. — Letters enclosing the agreement.
Q. — Perhaps you can leave these papers with us. I won't take up the
time of the Committee going through them.
Mr. White: Then I suppose the report of the surveyors ought to go in
as part of that material.
Q. — The original report ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Have you that ?
A. — I have it. I think it was put in last year. I think most of these
papers were in last year.
Q. — The agreement, and assignment were here, I see from the notes.
A. — I would like to have that go in again.
He. Chairman : If you will get a copy of it we can put it in.
A. — Yes.
Hr. Elliot : We will look at that, and perhaps we will have something
to ask you further.
Mr. Bowman: I understood you to say, Mr. White, that Mr. McDonald
reported on the timber as well. Looking over the report I see it is simply a
schedule of buildings.
A. — That is in another report.
Mr. Wm. Rushworth, called and sworn.
Mr. Elliott : Mr. Eushworth, what is your residence ?
A. — Toronto.
Q. — And your occupation?
A. — Timber broker. I deal in timber, buying timber.
Q. — Buying and selling timber?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In what part of the country have you been carrying on business
mostly ?
A. — Mostly in Ontario. Some in British Columbia, but mostly in
Ontario.
Q. — What portion of Ontario ?
A. — Well, I have handled timber in Brown and Wilson townships and
in the Gooderham district, and I have bought a good deal of timber in Xorthern
Ontario.
Q. — How long have you been in that business ?
A. — Four years.
Q. — What was your occupation prior to that ?
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— How long have you been in Toronto ?
— Five years.
— Were you in the chemical business when you first came to Toronto ?
—Yes.
— Then you went into the timber broking business ?
.—Yes.
. — By yourself or associated with others ?
. — By myself.
-Entirely ?
-Yes.
-Did you, prior to this, make any purchase similar to this purchase?
-You mean the purchase of the townships — no, I did not.
. — It was the first purchase of the kind ?
-Yes, of that kind.
-With whom did you have 3'our first negotiations in regard to it ?
A. — My first negotiations in regard to it were with Sir James Whitney.
Q. — About when ?
A. — I think it was in November, 1911. I'm not certain.
Q. — That would be the November previous !o the deal?
A. — The consummation of the deal, yes.
Q. — Where did you see him ?
A. — In the Parliament Buildings.
Q. — What was the result of that interview?
A. — Well, Sir James didn't give an opinion at all. I approached Sir
James to find out whether the Government would be willing to enter into
an agreement for the colonization of certain lands in the north.
Q. — Had you done anything in the way of colonization before ?
A. — I had not, but the gentleman I was associated with had had years
of experience.
Q. — What is his name?
A. — Willis K. Jackson.
Q. — Where does he reside?
A. — Buffalo, New York. He resides there, but he operates all over
Michigan.
Q. — Is his business confined to Michigan?
A. — I think he had some interests down south, but disposed of them
some years ago.
Q. — Previous to this did you know of him having any deals in Northern
Ontario ?
A. — No. I sold him timber in Northern Ontario, prior to that.
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Q. — But there was no colonization proposition attached to it ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — How long had you been associated with him?
A. — About two years prior to that.
Q. — You had had dealings ?
A. — I sold him timber.
Q. — Did anyone accompany you when you interviewed Sir James Whit-
ney, in regard to this matter ?
A. — I knew Mr. Ernest Wigle and asked him to introduce me to Mr.
Whitney.
Q. — Mr. Wigle lives where ?
A. — In Windsor.
Q. — lie was with you at that interview?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Is that the same Mr. Wigle who was a party to this agreement ?
A. — Yes, I interested him in it afterwards.
Q. — Then you and Mr. Wigle had decided, before that, to go into part-
nership ?
A. — Xo, not before that at all. He was simply giving me an introduc-
tion at that time.
Q. — Was there no understanding between you ?
A. — Xo understanding at that time at all.
Q. — As I understand you, nothing was done at that first interview?
A. — Xothing was done at the first interview beyond outlining my proposi-
tion, the proposition I wanted to submit to the Government.
Q. — Did you indicate any particular territory that you desired to have
at that time ?
A. — I indicated territory along the Transcontinental, west of Cochrane.
Q. — What townships?
A. — Kendry and Haggart. Those were the two townships in question.
Q. — That is the area you had in view at that time?
A. — Yes.
Q. — How did you decide on that area ?
A. — I dec.ided on that from the surveyors' notes. They are open to the
public, and I had looked through them.
Q. — Did you examine the townships ?
A. — Xo, I examined the notes. I had the to\\mship examined later, to
see whether we wanted to go on with the deal or not.
Q. — What was the result of that first interview?
A. — Sir James said he would give it his consideration. He thought it
perhaps might be a good proposition, but he was very non-committal.
Q. — What was the next step?
A. — The next step, I took it up with Mr. Hearst.
Q. — Yes ? Anybody with you ?
A. — ^\t. Wigle was.
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Q. — What progress did you make ?
A. — We were makino; very slow progress indeed.
Q. — ^What date would that be ?
A. — In February. I think, of 1912.
Q. — What was the result of your interview with 'Mv. Hearst ?
A. — At the time of my interview with Mr. Hearst I had examined the
area.
Q. — Did you examine it personally ?
A.-^Xo, I sent my son up with a couple of good men, and they examined
it carefully.
Q. — Who were the men who made the examination with your son?
A. — A man by the name of R. D. McKay.
Q. — From where ?
A. — Heal, Michigan.
Q. — And the other?
A.— A. E. Geddel.
Q. — From where ?
A. — He might be from anywhere. Toronto, I presume.
Q. — ^When did they make their examination?
A. — On December 10th they left Toronto and returned Xew Year's
night.
Q. — And in the interval between going up and coming back they examined
the townships ?
A. — Yes, looking at the soil and bringing down samples of the soil.
Q. — Then, at the time you interviewed the Minister of Lands and Mines,
you had a pretty good idea of what these townships were ?
A. — I certainly had.
Q. — What was the result of that interview ?
A. — We couldn't reach any agreement at that interview.
Q. — What was the difficulty?
A. — Mr. Hearst was not inclined to enter into an agreement until he had
looked into the matter more fully.
Q. — He wouldn't make any proposition at all ?
A. — Xo, he didn't make any proposition and didn't hold out any hopes.
Q. — He had received a proposition from you. what was it ?
A. — It is impossible to tell that without my correspondence, and I haven't
it with me.
Q. — Is it convenient to get it?
A. — It is put away, in two years' files. I guess I can get it.
Q. — Would it be difficult to pick out what relates to this from that file ?
A. — I think not.
Q. — Then if you will do that, and let us have a look at it, and see if there
is anything that may be of interest to this Committee. . . . That inter-
view was not productive of any substantial results ?
A. — Absolutelv not.
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Q. — What occurred next ?
A. — The next interview was in March.
Q.— 1912?
A.— Yes.
Q. — With whom?
A. — With the Minister, Mr. Hearst.
Q. — Did anybody accompany you at that time ?
A. — Yes, I think Mr. Wigle accompanied me at that time.
Q. — Anybody else ?
A. — I am not sure whether, at that interview or not, Mr. Owens was
with me. He was at one interview.
Q. — In what capacity?
A. — Simply as my Solicitor.
Q. — What Mr. Owens is that?
A.— E. W. J. Owens.
Q. — He acted as your Solicitor there ?
A. — He acted as my Solicitor prior to that.
Q. — He has been your Solicitor for some time ?
A. — He has been in certain matters.
Q. — He was not your general Solicitor, he was your particular Solicitor ?
A. — Yes, I have mining interests in the north, he attends to them for me.
Q. — You think probably he and Mr. Wigle accompanied you on that
second interview with Mr. Hearst ?
A. — I think they did. But I wouldn't be certain whether Mr. "Wigle or
'Sir. Owens was present.
Q. — You had had some correspondence in the meantime ?
A. — I had written Mr. Hearst a letter.
Q. — Then what was the result of the second interview?
A. — Mr. Hearst said he would take the matter into his consideration.
Q. — Xothing more than that ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — What happened next ?
A. — I think I addressed some correspondence to the Minister.
Q. — Did you receive any from him ?
A. — Only an acknowledgment of my letter.
Q. — You were not making very rapid progress ?
A. — Xot very.
Q. — You addresed some correspondence to him?
A.— I did.
Q. — Did you arrive at any arrangement as a result of any of that cor-
respondence ?
A. — Yes, I thought I could formulate a plan that would be satisfactory
to the Minister and that would be beneficial to the Province.
Q. — Did he indicate his ideas to you at that time ?
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A. — I tlioiif>lit it mio-ht be possible to arrive at some agreement satisfac-
tor,y to the ]\Iiiiister aud beneficial to the Province.
Q. — When did yoii see him again?
A. — In May. I think there was one interview in April.
Q. — ^When was the agreement finally arrived at?
A. — In June.
Q. — About the time the agreement was signed?
A. — About the time it was signed. About two weeks before. Certain
provisions had to be made. We had to agree to certain matters.
Q. — Up to this time, Owens, Wigle and yourself had conducted the
negotiations ?
A. — Well, Jackson was with me in May.
Q. — When did he first enter into the transaction?
A. — I suggested it to Jackson in November, 1911.
Q. — Had you been keeping in touch with him from the outset ? You had.
been reporting progress with the Minister ?
A. — ^Reporting what progress there was.
Q. — AYhen did you come to any arrangement with Mr. Jackson?
A. — I came to an arrangement with Jackson after we tried to get these
townships for colonization purposes in December of that year.
Q. — When did you first discuss terms with Jackson ?
A. — I presume at the commencemnt. They were changed. None of the
terms came through in the way we discussed them.
Q. — Before you concluded the arrangements with Mr. Hearst, had you
any definite agreement with Jackson?
A. — We had agreed between ourselves what we would do, certainly.
Q. — Had you a private arrangement, one with the other ?
A.— Yes. "
Q. — Is that agreement set out in the assignment ?
A. — The assignment was made on the same day, that was in order that
financial arrangements could be made and to allow Jackson and Tyndall to
advance the money. Certain work had to be carried out right away.
Q. — It was really part of the one transaction ?
A. — It was part of the one transaction. If you understand, Jackson and
Tyndall advanced us the money, therefore to protect them we assigned to Jack-
son and Tyndall, and they afterwards assigned to the Northern Ontario
Colonization Company.
Q. — Will you tell the Committee, briefly, the effect of your arrangement
with the Minister, and what your arrangement in assigning was ?
A. — We had to pay a dollar an acre for the actual land received. The
water was cut out and the roads taken out. We paid at the rate of a dollar an
acre, or double the amount the ordinary settler pays the Government. We had
to put so many settlers, actual bona fide settlers, on the land each year. They
had to occupy the land. If a man left it we had to put another in his place.
We had to put in, in twenty years, some 300 settlers.
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Mr. Clarke : How many were you to put iu altogether ?
A. — I reallv haven't divided the acreage into lots. But we had to settle
the full acreage.
Q. — How many acres to a settler? 160?
A. — Xo, those townships were surveyed with small lots, 150 acres, I think.
Q. — What was the transfer for, to W. K. Jackson, George Jackson, Annette
Jackson and Tvndall ?
A. — They advanced us the money for the initial financing.
Q. — They paid you so much for your rights ?
Mr. McGarry: We have nothing to do with that part of it. There is no
use going into a private agreement made by this witness and Jackson. We are
only concerned about what dealings he had with the Government.
Mr. Elliott : I understand the witness said that the agreement here sets
out the transaction between him and Messrs. Jackson and Tyndall, but it doesn't
state the consideration.
Mr. McGarry : Or it doesn't need to be stated.
Mr. Chairmax : That is the usual form. We have no right to go beyond
that document to find out what his private arrangements were.
Mr. Elliott : Mr. Eushworth hasn't objected. I do not think then, my
honorable friend should.
Mi;. Eushworth: I was going to object seriously to giving away our
private afi"airs. That is among ourselves.
Mr. Elliott : Then you do object to giving us the information with
regard to the arrangement between you and the assignees ?
A. — The assignees, as is set forth, were to form a colonization company,
and they did so in good faith afterwards. We made this assignment so that
the Jackson, Tyndall people could finance it. The initial operation took a lot
of money, about $100,000 had to be used right away. There hadn't been a
company formed then, and to protect them we assigned.
Mr. Chairman : The same as he would assign to a Bank when he got an
advance.
Mr. Elliott: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, I did not understand it that
way. (To witness) Did you assign in the same way you would assign to a Bank
for advances, or, was it a definite assignment, for a valuable consideration, of
your rights ? They were not merely bankers for you ?
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Mr, McGarkv: The assi^ment speaks for itself. Any. lawyer who
reads it knows what it means, if he is a lawyer.
Mr. Elliott: Some lawyers might read it and not know. (To witness)
They took over your rights under the agreement ? They did not remain as
mere bankers ?
A. — They took the right to go ahead and carry out the agreemenl; with the
Government, pending the formation of the company.
Q. — The company was formed ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And, afterwards, the rights of Jackson and Tyndall were assigned to
that company and your connection with it ceased. You were not one of the
assignees, so, of course, your connection ceased when you assigned on the 14th
of June to Jackson and Tyndall ?
A. — I am nominally interested in the company to-day.
Q. — The transfer that was made divorced you of all your rights at that
time ?
A. — My rights were understood and carried on to the company.
Q. — I understood you to say you were a shareholder of the company ?
A. — I am.
Q. — By assignment you made on the 14th of June to Jackson and Tyndall
you assigned all the rights you had up to that time ?
A. — Up to that time, yes.
Q. — I do not ^vant to pry into your affairs unduly but, it seems to me,
that it is evidence that would interest this Committee, the arrangement made
between you and Jackson and Tyndall at that time.
Mr. McKeowx : Surely we have nothing to do with that. We don't
want to spend the time of the Committee delving into private matters between
these people. What does it matter to us if he gave the whole thing to the
Jackson Tyndall people for nothing.
Mb. Chairman : We have been through that before. We have had pre-
cedents for it. I remember the time Mr. Whitney was here. Questions arose
as to his transfer to the Munn people and it was held then that we could not
inquire into it. We cannot enquire into matters of a private nature. It is
dealings between him and the Government we are here to enquire into, we are
here to see the money was received and the transaction properly carried out.
Mr. Elliott : I do not want to pry unnecessarily into Mr. Rushworth's
private affairs or anything pertaining to them.
Mr. Chairman-: We" must be consistent. I just happened to run across
last year's report, which you have. A ruling was made similar to the one in
the Whitney case I spoke about. We have had a number of times rulings of
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that kind. I do not think there is any doubt about the propriety of that. If
it wasn't for some such rule we might be here an endless time.
Mk, McKeown : The witness can tell of private matters if he wants to,
but he is not bound to.
Mr. Chairman: I would make it stronger than that. The Committee
mightn't want to hear his private affairs.
Mr. Dargavel : Isn't it infra dig for this Committee to enquire into these
private affairs. The Committee should be above things of that kind.
Mr. Elliott : I do not intend to press that at present. You will get us
the correspondence, Mr. Rushworth, in connection with that matter, correspon-
dence with the Minister or anyone else. Any correspondence you will submit
to the Committee. Perhaps at that time you may feel prepared to tell the
Committee exactl.y the transaction between you and Messrs. Jackson and
Tyndall. If so, I know that some of the Committee think it material to the
inquiry. Another point, have you the reports you received, Mr. Eushworth,
from the men who examined this land for you ?
Mr. McGarry: He would not be obliged to produce his report.
Mr, Elliott : He does not object.
Mr. McGarry: I have the right to object as a member of this Committee
if I want to. But I haven't objected yet.
Mr. Chairman: The witness may have a misconception of his position
here. He may think he is bound to do certain things. If he doesn't wish to
do it that is his own private affair.
Mr. McGarry: Everyone who has had anything to do with the lumber-
ing business, and I have, knows that there is one thing a lumberman will not
produce if he can help it — namely, a confidential report from his men, on a
berth. The Committee will not compel him to produce those reports.
^[r. Rushworth : I cannot produce the reports. They are the property
of the X^orthern Ontario Colonization Company.
Mr. Elliott : Have they them now ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Perhaps, then, you will l)ring the correspondence with the ]\Iinister
and any other correspondence you have that you may feel like bringing before
the Committee.
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Mr. BLvrtt: We might as well understand what correspondence he is
to bring.
Mr. McGarry: It is just the correspondence with the Minister.
Mr. Chairman: Just the official correspondence you have, Mr. Rush-
worth.
Mr. Elliott: Can you give us an idea of the number of settlers you
have put there, Mr. Rushworth ?
A. — T should say there are sixteen or twenty there now. Their families
went up in the fall, men with their wives and children. . . The men get work
there. We employ 250 men at the present time and have spent a large sum of
money. We have complied with every article of the agreement.
Q. — You mean the company employ about 250 men ?
A. — Yes. I am talking of hona fide settlers. Of course there is a large
amount of work to be done, clearing the land for the settlers and other things.
Mr. Johnson: Are these ready-made farms for these people you are
bringing in ?
A. — There are a lot of improvements, a certain abaount of land is plowed.
He gets work and is .paid cash for the time he is not working on his farm. We
supply him with a house and barn at, practically, cost price.
Q. — Where do these men come from ?
A. — The last ones came from around Gooderham and Haliburton district.
Q. — Then you are not importing any ?
A. — We imported a lot of Swedes and paid their exj^enses. They left us
to work on the railway.
Me. Clarke: Are these men on the farm. Are they cultivating the
farms now ?
A. — Xot at the presen^. time.
Q. — Xo, not in the month of March.
A. — This next year will be the first crop.
Mr. Johnson : Do the settlers get this land on as favorable terms as from
the Government ?
A. — They get it on more favorable terms. Of course, though, I may be a
poor judge.
Mr. Johnson : That is what that country wants up there — settlers. How
many- acres have you there ?
A. — 98,000. That acreage was arrived at by taking out the roads and
waterways and right of way for the railroad, because we cannot be asked to
settle those.
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Q. — Who purchases this land ?
A. — We do not get an acre of land by Patent, except where our buildings
and mills are. The land is practically the settler's when he performs his
duties. He has to live on it three years just as he has with Government land.
Q. — Fifty cents an acre is what you charge ?
A. — "We pay a dollar an acre, so we wouldn't sell it for fifty cents. That
is the price of Government land.
Me. Clarke: Probably you get $1.25 or $1.50 an acre. You are not
doing it for your health.
A. — Xo, we are not doing it for our health. I cannot state what they are
getting now.
Mr. Johxsox : I thought you said the settlers were getting this land on
as favorable terms as from the Government.
Mr. Eushworth: Well, the settlers are given employment. Everything
is done to help him along, to attend to his wants. There are schools, and a
church, too.
Mr. Clarke: They had schools in Haliburton — and a church, too, I
think.
!Mr. Johnson : I wish there were a thousand such companies as yours in
that country.
]\rR. Elliott : In regard to the timber rights. Of course the agreement
will speak for itself, but what dues do you pay ?
A. — We do not pay any dues.
Q. — That includes the timber and the land, that price you paid ?
A. — Yes, but every settler has to be left so many acres for a wood lot.
When the settler cuts timber we buy from the settler.
Q. — Who fixes the prices ?
Mr. Johnson : What particular species of wood are there ?
A. — Balm of Gilead, Balsam and a lot of Poplar.
Mr. Elliott : Xo Pine ?
A. — There isn't a Pine tree in 200 square miles.
Mr. Elliott : That is all at the present time. Mr. Bowman stated that
he had conferred with Mr. Armstrong, Assistant Provincial Secretary, and had
given him an idea of what was wanted of him. As a result, Mr. Armstrong
would be able to come to the meeting prepared and no time would be lost by
not proceeding with him at once.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, March 20th,
at 10.30 a.m.
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PUBLIC AOCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
March 20, 1914.
The .Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mb. Chairman : I have a telegram here from Mr. Wigle, I have juat got
it this moment. It was evidently sent yesterday afternoon. It reads: —
" Impossible to come to Toronto this or next week's meeting.
E. S. Wigle.
Mr. Bowman: That is rather an extraordinary telegram, is it not^
Mr. Chairman ?
^Mr. Chairman : It is somewhat extraordinary.
Mr. Bowman : I suppose the Clerk of the Committee communicated with
Mr. Wigle?
The Clerk : At once.
Mr. Bowman : I think that this Committee had better assert itself.
Mr. Chairman : We will see that Mr. Wigle gets here by the next meeting.
Mr. Bowman : We cannot allow the dignity of this Committee to be dis-
regarded in that way.
Mr. Chairman: I will see to it he is here. Mr. Rushworth is here, if
you want to go on with him.
Mr. Bowman: Mr. Elliott is not here. Most of our fellows are tied up
down town.
Mr. Chairman : I was speaking to Mr. Elliott about it yesterday and
he said that if he wasn't here there would be someone able to take his place. I
told him we could adjourn the meeting if he wanted it.
Mr. Bow:man : Perhaps it would have been better if he had accepted that
suggestion.
Mr. Chairman : Well, if you desire it we will adjourn the meeting, and
this matter can stand over until the next meeting.
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]\Ir. Bowmax : Verv well.
Mr. Eushwortii : Perhaps I may be in Chicago next week.
Mr. Bowman : There was something about some correspondence.
Mr. Ciiairmais' : He is here to produce his correspondence with the
Minister. Perhaps it will help the Doctor out and, perhaps, meet your require-
ments, if the Doctor leaves with me the correspondence he has, and you can
examine it and, if we require him again, we can let him know.
(Correspondence turned over by Mr. Rushworth.)
Mr. Bowmax : I presume that he will only be away a matter of a week or
two, if he goes to Chicago ?
Mr. Pushworth : Oh, yes.
Before the meeting adjourned the Chairman undertook to get into com-
munication with Mr. E. S. Wigle, by telephone, with reference to his attendance
before the Committee next week.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, March 25th
at 10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
March 25, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. Chairman: Mr. Armstrong is here if you want to go on with him.
Me. S. a. Armstrong^ Assistant Provincial Secretary, called and sworn.
Mr. Bowman : Mr. Armstrong, I want to ask you some questions in con-
nection with the items on page 345 of the Public Accounts of 1912, and on
page 379 of the Public Accounts of 1913.
Mr. Chairman : That is the Provincial Prison Farm, $274,000 ?
Me. Bowman : Yes, it starts on page 344.
Mr. Eilber : How do you get at this ?
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Me. Bowman : Under that inotiou passed in the House.
Me. Eilbee : But how do you get into this ? There was only the coal
accounts to be considered.
Me. Bowman: You want to get in touch with the records of the House.
Mr. Eilbee: We are the Committee. We don't care what the House does.
I'm not objecting, but I think it is a bad precedent to establish.
Mr. Bowman : It may prove to be so.
Me. Chaieman : I think we had better extend all the latitude we can to
our friends.
Me. Eilbee: I have no objections.
Me. Bowman : I think it is safe to leave it in the hands of the Chairman.
Me. Eilbee : But where are we going to stop ?
Me. Chairman : When we get to the psychological point we will stop.
I think for the present we had better allow the examination to go on.
Me. Bowman: Mr. Armstrong, the construction at the Central Prison at
Guelph is under vour control, under vour management?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You have full control of and superintend all the operations at the
Guelph Central Prison ?
A. — All the management, yes.
Me. Chaieman: Under the direction of the Minister.
Me. Bowman : Of course that is assumed. Xow, Mr. Armstrong, the
only thing I want to ask you regarding the accounts of 1912 is this. I notice
that in the Public Accounts of 1911-12 the heading is " Xew Provincial Prison,
Guelph," $274,000. But I notice that in the Public Accounts of 1912-13 there
seems to be something else included. It reads, " general expenses, including the
erection of buildings for the Provincial Prison, Guelph " ?
A. — That was changed as I recall it to meet the requirements of the
auditor. I cannot tell just the ground of his request, but the whole thing was
merged. As to the headings, however, I have nothing to do with that.
Me. Bowman : As far as the expenditure is concerned, that of the accounts
of 1911-12 practically covers the same thing as that of 1912-13, the only dif-
ference is in the headings, asked by the auditor ?
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!Me. Aemsteong: We do not prepare the headings of the accounts. Our
headings are taken entirely from the estimates. If the auditor sees fit he makes
them up in that form, that is within his jurisdiction.
Q. — When an estimate is voted for a certain appropriation 3'ou give ^n
accounting under that heading and the auditor deals with it afterwards ?
A. — Quite so. If you will notice in the estimates the manner in which
that vote is taken. It appears under " general expenditure, including purchase
of lands and buildings," this amount may be subdivided and set apart to capital
and maintenance, as directed by the Lieutenant-Governor in Council.
Q. — So that the heading of the Public Accounts of 1912-13 doesn't amount
to anything, as far as it indicates any change in the method ?
A. — Absolutely not.
Q. — That is all about that. 'Now, I would like to know your system, the
one you have in effect in handling the work at the Prison Farm at Guelph.
What organization have you in connection with it ?
A. — We have a superintendent of construction, a practical man in charge,
Mr. iST. B. Culman, a man of large experience in construction, both in factory
work and construction generally, and particularly in handling prisoners. He
was a man engaged with the contractors at the Central Prison — it was there he
acquired his experience with prisoners.
Q. — He was with the Taylor Scott Company ?
A. — Yes, in the woodworking shop. When they went out of business at
the Prison we took him on, of course, we were carrying on certain wood-working
industries at the time. We had a superintendent on the job of the name of
Dennis. Culman was transferred from Toronto to Guelph and took over the
superintending of the carpentering construction. Dennis' sei*vices were ended
that year and Culman was placed in complete charge of construction operations,
fnder him of course are the different carpenter foremen and the foremen of
the different trades, timekeeper, estimate clerks and all the rest, that is as far
as building is concerned. Then there are the industrial operations which take
in the cement tile plant, the quarries, the lime kiln, cement brick plant and the
railway. Those arc under the direction of a mechanical engineer, Mr. Black
who is directly responsible to Mr. Culman. The prisoners are in charge of
guards and they, and the discipline of the prisoners generally, arc in charge of
the Sergeant who is representing the Warden. In the morning, when the
prisoners start out to work, a certain number are assigned to each guard, and
these guards go out and are assigned to their work by the superintendent of
construction, and all the prisoners and guards are, so far as work is concerned,
directly under the control of the superintendent of construction. That organ-
ization we find has worked out satisfactorily. There is no friction. We have
perfect control of the prisoners and are able to get good efficiency from them.
Q. — Is all the work carried on there, in connection with the construction
of the buildings, carried on by prisoners or is there outside help employed ?
A. — Oh, no. We have outside help. For instance, in the bricklaying,
stonemasonry and plastering trades. Those are three trades that are unionized
George Y. APPF.XDTX Xc 1. 53
and it is a difficult matter to get men outside the unions. Union men will not
work with prisoners in laying brick or stone, and for that reason those trades
are carried on entirely by paid men. As a matter of fact I do not suppose in
the whole Central Prison population to-day you will find one bricklayer or one
stonenuison, and you may possibly find a plasterer.
]\Ik. Bowman : That is a good record for those trades.
A. — And a singular thing is that you will find that condition existing
throughout the whole country. Some years ago I made some inquiries in
Massachusetts and in the entire prison population of the State of Massachu-
setts Penitentiary there were only seventy-five prisoners classed as stone workers,
that is stone cutters and marble polishers. In these trades it is necessary for
us to go outside for men. We get very few expert carpenters. We get some
fairly good men, but it is necessary for us to hire men of that trade. They are
taken on and it is a matter of indifference whether they are nnion men or not.
As a matter of fact they haven't any union up there. The prisoners work with
these carpenters. We get many excellent hammer and nail men, men we can
send out to work independently of any other help. In the industries, the
planing mill, the quarries, the lime kiln, the crusher plant, the farm operations
and a dozen other things I could enumerate, the prisoners are engaged entirely
— under the direction of paid foremen.
Q. — Then all the building is done by the prisoners or by men who are
engaged by the Superintendent and paid by tlie day ? Anything under contract ?
A. — The only contract is that for the heating, sheet metal work and cer-
tain classes of mechanical heating and ventilation. We have no sheet metal
men and cannot undertake that work ourselves.
Q. — What system have yon in connection with the outside men employed ?
They are hired by the superintendent, I presume ?
\a.— Yes.
Q. — Wliat organization have you at Guelph — I presume you have an
organization right at the farm, an office staff to handle that end of it ?
A. — How do you mean " that end " ?
Q. — The office end.
A. — Oh, yes. We have a clerk of works there. He is in charge of the
office. Under him comes the accountant and one or two other members of the
office staff, then we have the costing clerk and this mechanical engineer who
make up the office staff. The costing clerk is the man who collects the cost
total reports from the foremen of the shops at the end of each day. Each
foreman is required to make out a statement of the work performed, the
material used, and the labor used, both paid and prison. These reports are
turned into the costing clerk, who summarizes them and charges up against
that work the requisitions which have passed through his hands, material, hard-
ware and such like. These reports are subsequently turned into the office.
At the end of each month we get a summary in the office here of the unit cost,
the cost per cubic foot of concrete, the cost of placing or bending steel, the
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cost per cubic yard of excavating, the cost per cubic yard of hauling stuff on the
railway, crushing, and everything else. By this we are able to check up
monthly and know at once if there is any advance in the unit cost of the work.
WTien goods are received on order — most of the ordering is done from the
office here, unless in a case of emergency when it is handled by the clerk of
works at Guelph. I direct most of the purchasing myself, particularly the
lumber, which is a large item. A duplicate of the order is sent to Guelph and
when the goods are received they are checked up by that order and certified by
the clerk of works as to their delivery and as to prices. These goods go into
store and can go out on a job only on a requisition certified by the Superin-
tendent, That enables them to keep track of the stores and see that they are
charged to the proper work. A card index is kept of all the goods and at the
end of the year an inventory is taken and everything checked up. If any
work is to be put into execution at either the planing mill, the blacksmith shop,
or the machine shop, or elsewhere, a work order is issued by the Superintendent
and the time of the prisoners and the paid men and the material that goes into
the execution of that work order is kept by the foreman of whatever shop the
work is being done at. On the execution of that work order it is turned into
the office and charged accordingly.
Q. — The foreman of each shop keeps the time of the men ?
A. — There is a timekeeper.
Q. — One time keeper for the whole works or one for each Department ?
A. — One for the whole works. The foremen have to keep the time as
well. That time is checked up twice a day in addition to the work of the
regular time keeper. They are all checked up so as to see that the men are on
the job, as reported by the foremen. Every employee is given a timecard and
that is made up once a week. That is for classification of the work, showing
the number of hours a man is engaged in any particular building.
Q. — Who fills in these cards, the man himself ?
A. — Yes. These are filled in by the men themselves and checked with
the time book, and O.K.'d by the Superintendent.
Q. — This is a record kept entirely independent of the time book ?
A. — Quite so.
Q. — Simply to enable the classification and allotting of the work?
A.— Yes.
Q. — How often do they turn in these?
A. — The time, of course, is turned in at the end of each week.
Q. — ITow often do you pay the outside men ?
A. — Every two weeks.
Q. — What is your method of payment ?
A. — By cheque.
Q. — A cheque is issued to each individual man?
A.— Yes.
Q. — They are issued, I presume, from the Department here?
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A. — The payroll is made up there by the Clerk of Works and a cheque
covering the payroll is issued by the auditor here and deposited to the wage
account at Guelph; against that, cheques are made up there.
Q. — A cheque is issued for the total amount paid for the two weeks'
operations, from the Department here. It is deposited at Guelph and cheques
are issued against that ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — That is very interesting, no doubt, to everyone on the Committee and
I want to say right here it is evident that Mr. Armstrong deserves credit for
having, as far as we have gone, shown he has, in my opinion, a good system in
connection with the handling of the work there. I want to be perfectly fair
to j\[r. Armstrong. Xow, in connection with the general programme Mr. Arm-
strong, I would like to get some idea of the general lay-out of the whole scheme.
I notice here in connection with questions asked in the House
Mr. Chairman : That is not the little red book ?
Mr. Bowman : ]^o, it is not the little red book — I notice, Mr. Armstrong,
in connection with the expenditure up to date — here is the amount expended
on buildings, etc., main reception building, including dining room, etc. — how
many buildings are there all told ?
A. — The other day when we met here you asked me to prepare a statement.
I prepared a statement of estimated expenditure that does not correspond to
that given in the House, because that statement was brought down to date to
the 28th of February; this statement corresponds to the Public Accounts, cover-
ing both Guelph and Whitby, with the estimated cost of the different buildings.
(General plan of Guelph Prison Farm and Buildings produced by witness
for inspection of Mr. Bowman.)
Mr. Bowman : Here then is the general layout — there is the administra-
tion building, that is the administration building represented by $80,000 in this
statement, is it ?
A. — The administration building at $80,811.50. That includes the con-
necting link between the guard tower and the administration building, it also
includes the officers' quarters and the Warden's residence and general offices.
Q. — ^What is the size of that building ?
A. — That building — I haven't got the scale of this plan — but it is about
140 feet long by 40 feet wide and, I think, about 80 feet wide in the centre.
Mr. McGarry : That is only part of the administration building.
Mr. Armstrong : Yes, that is three stories built of stone and steel, and
is reinforced concrete throughout. All these buildings are made as near fire-
proof and sanitary as it is possible for us to make them.
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Mk. Bowman: And that brings us to what?
A. — That brings iis to the centre guard tower. This central guard tower
is really the controlling centre of the prison proper, and in this building all the
prisoners are received. They are given haircuts and classified, and held there
if they come in late at night, in reception cells pending classification. They
are photographed, their fingerprints taken and so on. From this main tower
they are distributed to their cells or chambers according to their classification.
On the top floor is the Isolation Hospital and the General Hospital, which at
the present time is of a temporary character. There are twelve to fourteen
•cells, reception cells, shower baths, barber shop and the Deputy Warden's office,
and Sergeant's office. This is the dispensary and consulting room and the
-control cage which controls the gates leading to these different wings. That
tuilding is five stories, fireproof throughout and built of steel and stone.
Q. — Down here then is the centre guard tower, the reception cells and the
temporary hospital — that is represented by $33,000 ?
A. — Yes, that is the cost of it to date. " Inside administration building,
detention cells, and guard quarters " covers this point from here to here.
Me. Chairman : As between what points ?
"Witness : As between the guard tower and the dining room.
Mr. Bowman : That is represented by this $7,000 ?
Witness : That building is a two-storey structure. It has bedrooms for
the guards, their recreation rooms and there are something like twenty detention
cells there. There are rooms for the storage of the prisoners' effects and any
other stores they should require.
Mr. Musgrove : Why is it wider further on?
A. — These are cells in here and consequently it is smaller at this point..
Mr. Bowman: These are the expenditures to the 31st of October, 1913,
in this statement. These sums represent uncompleted buildings ?
A. — ^Yes. At the back I have given you an estimate of the expenditure
necessary to complete these buildings.
Q. — The estimated expenditure necessary to complete?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In order to get at the ultimate cost of these buildings it will be neces-
sary to take this amount (indicating expenditure) and this amount (indicating
estimate) ?
A. — Yes, I believe these estimates are fairly accurate. They were taken
from the unit cost and any advance would depend on the cost of material and
a rise in wages.
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Mr. Chairman: The central tower item would cost $33,000 plus the
estimate of $21,000.
Mr. Bowman: The inside administration building cost would be $7,000
plus $21,000, that would be right?
A.— Yes.
— That building is complete — the $80,000 ?
—Yes.
— Central tower, $33,000 — that seems to be finished ?
— Xo.
— Yes, there is an estimate of $10,000 — that would be $43,000 ?
— Yes.
Mr. McGarky: That is quite a large building?
A. — It is a high building. As I said, it is built of reinforced concrete —
the whole structure is fireproof throughout.
Mr. Musgrove : This building is high enough, so that from the top you
get a view of the whole Prison Farm and everything?
A. — Yes. Another feature of having this building high; we bring men
in, particularly from the north country jails, many of whom have infection on
them. Many are covered with vermin, they are filthy and dirty. These men
have to be put some place where these smells will all get away, where they can
to a certain extent be isolated.
Me. Bowman : Where the breezes will get at them ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That brings us to cell blocks one and two
A. — I may say that the scheme, as you see it, is the scheme as originally
conceived by the architect.
Q.— Mr. Lyle ?
A. — Yes. It provides for expansion, by the addition of these additional
cell blocks. At the present time we are just constructing to this point here.
Q.— Yes, the parts in red— cell blocks $52,000 and $18,000
A. — These cell blocks are three stories, fourteen cells on each floor. Each
cell is an outside cell with an observation parapet along here in front. The
cells all look out on these courts.
Mr. Musgrove : Have you guarded windows ?
A. — We have steel wire screens in place of bars.
Mr. Bowman : How many cells are there in these units under construction ?
A. — All told we have about 125 cells there.
Q.— All told?
A.— Yes.
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Q. — That -would be the total cell accommodation ?
A. — Yes. The idea of classifying the prisoners is this. A man comes in
and goes into a cell. Then as he shows his fitness to be trusted he is transferred
to a dormitory and in each dormitory there are probably from twenty to twenty-
five men.
Q. — I see there are two dormitories; what is the sleeping accommodation
in them ?
A. — Let me see ; that is twenty to twenty-five men to a dormitory, or
seventy-five men to a floor. They are three floors high, that makes 225 to each.
Q. — That is 450 in the two dormitories ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — So there is accommodation in the cells and dormitories for probably
about 575 prisoners ?
A. — From 575 to 600 prisoners.
Q. — This item is dormitories one and two ?
A. — That, as I said, provides accommodation for twenty-five men each,
that means three to a floor and three floors high. That item includes this stair
tower here, which is a sort of stairway that leads to the different cell floors and
dormitories.
Q. — The next item is heating and ventilation.
A. — The heating of these buildings was a difiicult problem, because at
Guelph we have an exposure that makes heating a difiicult problem. We used
a Hamilton air-tube system, a combination of heating and ventilation. It
distributes to these points for the heating of these units, and each unit controls
a dormitory and cell block.
Q. — Who installed it ?
A. — It was let to the Fred Armstrong Company under tender.
Q. — You have the cost here ?
A. — The cost of this ? The total contract price I think is about $30,000
for that.
Q.— Here it is— $15,000 odd and $19,000 odd, about $35,000.
A. — That includes also the ventilation in the guard tower in the admin-
istration building. This is the dining-room, kitchen, bakery and stores. It
provides accommodation for 700 men, so that if it is ultimately necessary to
extend the prison, then we will have accommodation there, in the dining room,
for it. The dining room is divided in two and in the centre is the kitchen.
In the middle are service pantries, where the men are served from. This is
our cold storage for stores, such as kitchen stores.
Mr. Johnson : Do you mean to say the prisoners all sit down at the one
time?
A. — Yes, they do with us at Guelph. At the present time there are 375
of them there and they are all accommodated in the dining room at the one time.
^Ir. Bowman: The next item is laundry and bathrooms — where have you
got them?
Geonje V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 59
A. — Down here — there is an underground passage. This is a tunnel.
We estimated the cost of putting- in a conduit with steam ducts — this is heated
with steam — we had to get hot water and steam for heating purposes.
Q. — You get the steam from a central heating plant ?
A.— Yes.
Mk. ^IcGapry: What is the distance?
A. — 450 feet is the length of that tunnel. We estimated the cost of tun-
nel construction and compared it with the cost of a conduit in which we would
have to run the steam mains if we did not use a tunnel. We found in favor
of the tunnel, found it cheaper than a conduit and the actual cost is in keeping
with our estimate.
Q. — This is the laundry and bath-house here ?
A. — That is divided in two — 225 feet by 65 — one half for the laundry and
the other half for the baths.
Q. — That is a laundry and bath-house for the prisoners ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What is the size ?
A. — 225 by 65.
Q. — One storey ?
A. — Yes, it is skeleton construction with reinforced concrete. That state-
ment was closed out at the end of October. At the present time the founda-
tion work is well under way on the boiler house. It is entirely of concrete
construction, except the smoke-stack, the contract hasn't been let for that.
Q.— What will it be ?
A, — That is just being settled now. We can build it of brick for $1,350
and of reinforced concrete for $850 — we would be supplying sand and a cer-
tain amount of labor. We are undecided. We have three different propo-
sitions. I think it will likely be concrete. The cost would be lower.
»
Mr. Bowman : And it makes a good stack, too.
A. — Yes, and we would have a guarantee back of it,too. We have already
put in a lot of transformers. We take Hydro now, have been taking it for the
last six months.
Q. — The next item is septic tank ?
A. — That is sewage disposal. It is connected by the main sewer with these
other buildings.
Q. — Does it all connect in here ?
A. — The sewer comes down at this point, then along here and down over
here to a point west of the hill. This goes down to the flats of the river. The
main sewage system goes right down here, taps the main sewer and then is
discharged into an Imhoff tank, goes from there into filter beds over crushed
stone, the effluent is chlorinated and discharged into the river. The rain water
is taken off. We did not want it to go into the sewage bed, we would have
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had to increase the size. We tap the rainwater here and bring it down and dis-
charge it here.
Q. — That brings tis to the end of the general prison.
A. — I laid that out in that way. I thought you would understand it better
by confining the prison proper to one item.
Mr. Bowman : That brings us to the industrial centre.
A. — At the Central Prison we carry on a number of industries, furniture
manufacture, broom manufacture.
Q. — What do you do with the brooms ?
A. — They all go for Government work. Then we have hospital beds and
prison beds, which are sold to the jails and hospitals and public institutions
throughout the Province. Then we have the woollen mill which is a big
industry with us. We make blankets for the jails, houses of refuge and the
hospitals.
Q. — That means transferring the woolen plant in Toronto here, to Guelph ?
A. — We haven't established the woolen mill at Guelph, it is still in opera-
tion here.
Q. — That is what it will ultimately mean ?
A. — Well, we have some machinery there, some of it has been in use for
thirty-five years, and is well used up. This is the woolen mill and this is the
machine shop. This was the first building on the place and was built of stone.
We found that even with our quarries the use of stone in the buildings was too
costly and we abandoned that and decided on reinforced concrete, using a struc-
tural tile we make on the premises We make these there and control the patent
rights for the manufacture of tile for Government buildings.
Q. — You acquired that right ?
A. — Yes, it is a patent process. The concrete is poured into steam-heated
forms, poured in very wet. The steam dries them and we turn out a tile, every
six or seven minutes with these machines. This, as I said, is the woolen mill,
this the machine shop, tailor shop and shoe shop — there are some stores at one
end. In the centre is the enameling and paint shop and the heating annex.
This is the raw unfinished stocks building, the stores. The raw material and
the finished stocks are stored here. This is the wood-working factory that is
now in course of erection.
Q. — What do you propose to make there ?
A, — We are making at the present time a large percentage of sash and
door frames for use at Whitby. We are making them now for London and
Orillia, where we are putting up buildings. We find we can turn out a better
article at a lower price than we can go into the market and buy them for under
contract.
Q. — Rather hard on the outside manufacturer. Xow, that gives us the
lay-out there.
A. — This in red is the tile plant, then back here you get into another indus-
trial centre, where we have the stone crusher, the lime kiln, the hydrated lime
plant and the plaster plant. We make our own plaster.
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Q. — Is that a special plaster?
A. — It is alea plaster, made of calcium alumnate, and hydrated lime.
With that we can nse twenty-five per cent, more sand, and as we have lots of
sand it cheapens onr plaster.
Q. — iSTow, dairy and storage barns
A. — This is onr dairy centre over here.
Q. — That is complete ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — $32,000, what does that represent ?
A. — This dairy barn here.
Q. — Have you any idea what size it is ?
A. — I have forgotten the size — I could get it for you — but it has accom-
modation for eighty milk cows. It has about five maternity stalls and the
front end has accommodation for twenty to twenty-five calves, besides bulls and
three or four other box stalls. The front end takes care of the hay. This is
the creamery building. We manufacture butter and sell that butter to the
Public Institutions. I may say that last year our creamery operations showed
a net profit of something like $700 and some odd dollars.
Mr. Musgeove : Have you hogs there ?
A. — The hogs are kept in a different portion of the farm.
Q. — Any sheep ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Then, '' plant and equipment, road machinery, steam boilers " ?
A. — Our road machinery consists of a steam roller, grader and so on.
That equipment is used to construct our own roads and is also available for
the construction of other roads the Public Works Department undertakes. The
difficulty of financing this i^roposition with the Public Accounts is this, an
appropriation is voted of so much money, it is charged against the Prison Parm
at Guelph and it doesn't matter what it is expended for, it is all charged against
prison construction, consequently, when we buy large quantities of lumber and
other articles of merchandise used in the manufacture of sash frames and doors
and everything else, which are sold to the other institutions, it is all charged
directly against the Prison Farm.
Q. — Of course you have a record of all that ?
A. — We have an absolute record of them.
Q. — So that when you get finished yon will be able to straighten it out?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Here, for instance, is $15,000 Bills Receivable, which is outstanding.
A. — Of this, plant and equipment at present charged against that con-
struction, a great deal is salvage. Take for instance, railway equipment. That
is charged against building, but when we salvage that plant and equipment we
will find our overhead charge for plant and equipment is small. That railway
equipment is our own narrow gauge line. That handled thirty thousand cubic
yards of stuff at a cost of seven cents a yard. We can't do it with teams because
the haul is over half a mile.
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Q.— And this ^
A. — That is stock ou hand. That consists of hydrated lime, plaster, lum-
ber, provision stocks and hardware, all the goods that come in from the indus-
tries. Everything that is manufactured there goes into stock and is then
requisitioned out.
Q. — You told us, practically, all the ordering is done by you here for
Guelph, except emergency items ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — ^What is the system ?
A. — There is nothing purchased by contract. Everything is bought in
the open market.
Q. — AMiat is the system ?
A. — We keep in touch with market prices. Take, for instance, lumber.
We take our stock. We find out if our stock is getting low. Then we make
out a statement of the total quantity wanted and send it to people we have been
in the habit of getting the best prices from. When these prices come in they
fairly well establish the prices of lumber unless there is a change. Then the
lumber firms are from time to time offering us lumber at prices which we know
are low.
Q.— This " Bills Receivable " .
A. — That will be adjusted and then charged to the different institutions.
They will be charged for the work. Last year we used 30,000 feet of lumber
in the manufacture of frames. This winter we used 50,000 in the manufacture
of sash and frames.
Q. — That brings us to Miscellaneous. I see an item here " maintenance
of prisoners to be adjusted $186,150.65.
A. — That represents the total cost of the maintenance of these prisoners —
almost two or three hundred — from the 10th of April to the 31st of October.
Mr. McGaery: That is from the 10th of April, 1910, to the end of Octo-
ber, 1913?
Mr. Bowma:n : From the time you started ?
A. — Yes. The question might properly be raised as to whether that should
be charged against the Central Prison at Guelph. These prisoners had to be
maintained. ^Miy should the entire cost be charged against capital account.
They have to 'be maintained in the Central Prison in Toronto.
Q. — What is the average cost of maintenance at the Central Prison here ?
A. — The cost of administration and everything — ^about fifty cents a day. -
Q. — What is it at Guelph?
A. — At Guelph it is 70 cents.
Q. — Then here it is twenty cents a day less ?
A. — Yes, if that argument holds good, prison labor is costing us twenty
cents a day.
Q. — But these men would be earning something here.
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A. — Not anything like as much as they are earning there. We hav^en't
the indusitries there now. When the contracts were terminated with the con-
tractors .
i}. — The Taylor, Scott Company?
A. — Yes, the Taylor, Scott Company, then work ceased for the men ex-
cept those employed in the industries carried on at the same time as the con-
tract work.
Mr. McGarry: Then, of that item for maintenance of $186,000 odd, two-
sevenths should be charged to construction and five-sevenths to maintenance ?
A. — That could very properly be charged in that way.
Q. — In the Public Accounts that item of maintenance appears in a num-
ber of items.
A. — Not that item of maintenance. That is from our own lx)oks. That
is not in the Public Accounts. It is made up of a hundred things that go into
the maintenance of these men. That is the point I was making a little while
ago. No system of accounting should charge to the cost of the work any money
except that proportion which is directly chargeable against capital account. I
say that five-sevenths of that ought to be charged against the maintenance of
the prisoners.
Q. — Let me understand. You have an amount here of $383,000. In this
you put various items, provision stocks, chemicals, etc., Is the total of what it
cost to feed and take care of these prisoners included in that amount of
$383,000 ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Then, if you take the total expenditure to date on the Central Prison
— $949,000 — if you deduct the $186,000 from that you get the actual expendi-
ture on everything other than maintenance ? That gives us the expenditure,
the amount paid out, everything purchased ?
A. — Yes. That is what it requires for maintenance, provisions, stock,
gratuities, and so on.
Q. — That covers it. Here we have a summary.
A. — Those are items for roads and bridges, improving the land, drain-
age, etc.
Q. — What work have you done in connection with improving the land,
and building roads and bridges?
A. — There has been an enormous amount of work done on the improve-
ment of the land.
Q. — Of what character?
A. — Cleaning up the land, fertilizing it.
Q. — Cleaning up the land? Hadn't it been under cultivation?
A. — A very small portion of it. What had been cultivated had been
cultivated in an indiffernt way. There is a knoll there — we are growing
alfalfa on a knoll that had never gro^vn anything before.
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^lu. Misgkove: Do you (h-ain it?
A. — We did a lot of draiiiaco, we are doing some yet.
Mr. Bow^rAx: What bridges are there?
A. — We had to build one large bridge to get over the Speed, and two
other small bridges. There is a macadamized road, also a macadamized road
over the bridge. To get over we had a costly fill to make.
Mr. ^IcGarry: How many acres are there?
A. — 850 acres.
^Ir. Musgrove: What sort of fencing?
A. — Wire fencing.
Q. — Is it fenced into fields ?
A. — Some of it. We are just completing a survey of the fields.
Mr. Bowmax : In connection with the farm, have yon a man in charge ?
A. — A farmer is in charge of the farm. He is responsible to me, but the
entire occupation of the farm is caried out under the instructions of Mr. Todd,
the Director.
Q. — He superintends operations ?
A. — He superintends the whole farm operations ?
Q. — What is Mr. Todd's salary?
A.— $2,400 or $2,500.
Mr. Elliott: Is he a graduate of the College?
A. — Oh, yes !
Mr. Bowmax: I understand you to say there were 850 acres of land.
Wtat is done with that land. What do you raise ?
A. — Mixed grains, vegetables, root crops, fruit.
Mr. CiiAiKMAx: Do you raise more than you use?
A. — ^We ship a lot of vegetables to the Central Prison, Toronto, to the
Mercer, to Mimico, and the Queen Street Asylum, sometimes.
Mr. Musgrove: Have you fruit trees set out?
A. — There are 18 acres of orchard.
Mr. Clarke : — How many acres are there under cultivation ?
A.— About 500.
Mr. Elliott : Will you be able to cultivate the balance, or is it such that
you cannot cultivate it?
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A. — There is some of it cannot be cultivated, but there isn't a f^reat deal
of it. There is a lot in this swamp that will be good when we get it drained.
It is practically virgin soil.
Me. Musgeove : Lots of fall there ?
A. — Plenty of it.
Me. Claeke : It's a nice little farm ?
A. — Yes, it is.
Me. Elliott: What does it cost to maintain these men, compared with
the cost in other institutions, I mean institutions like the average asylum and
other public institutions ?
A. — You must understand that the cost of maintenance must of neces-
sity be higher, by reason of the fact that the salary list is much heavier.
We pay guards from $40 to $50 a month. A guard comes in and starts at
$40, and gets $45 and then $50. With that he gets his clothing, boots, etc.
Q. — How many guards do you have for the number of prisoners you
have ?
A. — There is no rule.
Q. — But in general?
A. — A man might have as many as twenty-five with him. Another might
only have half a dozen. It depends on the men and where they are working,
the class of men they are handling and their sentences.
Q. — How does the living furnished them compare with the living furnished
men in other institutions ?
A. — The food for a man who is working and putting in ten hours a day
has to be better stuff, more nourishing food than the food of patients in the
institutions.
Q. — And the accommodation ?
A. — Well, here are 175 men with iron beds, mattresses and blankets,
sleeping in one big room.
Q. — As far as the baths and that sort of accommodation, they are the
same as in other institutions ?
A. — It is different.
Q.— Is it better ?
A. — It is different. The prisoners' bathroom is a series of stalls, eighty
stalls. Eighty men are marched in and given a plunge. There is nothing
elaborate except that it is sanitary. We tried everything to reduce the cost
of that type of bathroom.
Q. — Take the figures of the relative cost —
Me. McGaeey : Give him a chance to explain.
A. — There is no comparison. They are entirely different. You get
female nurses at $13 to $15 a month against guards at $50 a month.
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Q. — The guards and tlie meu under them, they do not eat at the same
table, thej do not receive the same fare ?
A. — Oh, no.
Q. — Is it entirely different?
A. — It is much more expensive, the fare given the guards and the hired
help, than that given the prisoners. The question of service is one of the
main things. They get something for dessert, they get butter, for instance.
They get various things which the prisoners do not get. They simply get
ordinary good fare. There isn't anything about the whole menu that is
extravagant.
Q. — Is this one of the farms where you raise more vegetables than are
required for the men on the farm ?
A. — Yes, we shij) vegetables to the Central, to the Mercer, and if there
is any surplus, we also ship to Mimico.
Q.— What about beef?
A. — Beef we do not raise. When I say we do not raise it I mean we do
not bring it from the calf. We buy steers and bring them along and feed
them.
]\Ir. Chairmax : The cost of a guard there is from $10 to $50. A guard
at the asylum gets $20.
A.— They get up to $25 and $30 now.
'Mr. Elliott: With regard to these buildings being fireproof, how do
they compare with other Public Buildings in that respect ?
A. — There is no comparison. These are modern buildings.
Me. Ciiaieman: Like the west wing?
A. — Xot as elaborate. It is a different class of construction. I suppose
the construction here in the city, where you have to pay a high cost for labor,
would compare very favorably in fireproof construction, with our buildings
at Guelph.
Mk. Elliott: Regarding fire protection generally, in the various Public
Buildings, what fire protection have you ?
A. — Only the fire protection that can be put in old buildings, fire escapes,
buckets, fire extinguishers.
Q. — Do you use a sprinkler or sprinkler system ?
A. — Xo. Each year we are spending money to improve the fire protec-
tion of the various institutions, electrical alarms, everything we can do to
reduce the risk and minimize the danger.
jMe. Bowmax : Simply to check up the inctliod of doing l)nsiness, pur-
chasing and everything of that kind, I would like you to produce the accounts.
I
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particularly of the lumber purchases, I would like to go through some of them
and check them up.
A. — If you will give mo a list of them I will be glad to.
Q. — There is an item here : P. Burns & Co., coal. Is that under contract ?
A. — Yes
Q. — You told us, in connection with paying the men, that a cheque was
issued by the Department covering the amount required by the two weeks'
payroll. An account was opened in the Bank, I presume at one of the Banks
at Guelph, to the credit of the Central Prison Farm ?
A. — We have two accounts there, wages and merchandise. That i^ayroll
is sent back to us and audited by the auditor.
Q. — I would like to have a sample payroll and check that up, and Mr.
Chairman, I will just give Mr. Armstrong a memo, of the different accounts
and items, I would like to have the accounts here for the next meeting. I sup-
pose that will be all right, and that it won't be necessary to make a motion
in connection with it.
Me. Chaieman : I guess that will be all right.
The Chairman informed Mr. Elliott that he expected to have Mr. E. S.
Wigle present next week. The meeting then adjourned to meet again on
Thursday, March 26th, at 11 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUII^TS.
March 26, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m. Mr. Armstrong re-called.
Me. Bowman : Just before we go into these accounts, I would like to
ask you a few questions. In looking over the statement here I notice in con-
nection with your industrial centre, machine shop, shoe shop, and boiler shop.
These three appear to be carried on in the one building.
A. — It3 is a large building. On the third floor is the machine shop and
in the lower portion there are two shops and room for storage. The building
is fifty feet by two hundred.
Q. — What will be the capacity of these industries as far as it relates to
the employment of prisoners. How many do you expect to employ in connec-
tion with these industries ?
A. — I couldn't say offhand.
Q. — But approximately?
A. — I wouldn't even guess.
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Q. — You must have an idea what equipment and machinery you will
require.
A. — I could not tell offhand. I could easily tell by looking up the num-
ber of men we have employed here, and we know what our increased capacity is.
Q. — It is possible for you to form an estimate ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Then if you will get me that —
A. — I will, yes, it is quite easy to get it.
Q. — I understand there are 800 acres all told.
A.— About 830 acres.
Q. — What percentage of that 830 acres do you expect will be used for
strictly farm purposes?
A. — I would say at least 500 acres. I am not a farmer, you know, but
I am satisfied of that.
Q. — How many acres were under cultivation during the past season ?
A.— About 500.
Q. — Under crop last year?
A. — Yes, I can give you that, if you want it, correctly; the number of
acres and the number of fields and what is grown in each field and all about
it, if you wish it. I can let you have a field plan if you want it.
Q. — It would probably be just as well to get that. I understand you to
say you have a superintendent of farm operations ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What is his name ?
A. — Hamilton.
Q. — If I remember rightly you told us he was getting $2,400 a year ?
A. — That is the superintendent of construction. I did not know you
wanted to deal with that yesterday, I would have brought down this chart
which shows how the industrial operations are carried on. That deals with
construction proper.
Q. — This man you spoke of yesterday is directly responsible to Mr.
Culm an ?
A. — This is the subdivision of the work. Mr. Cole has charge of the
storekeepers, construction stores, and general supervision of temporary head-
quarters ; he takes charge of receiving reports and checking all returns from
the different farm operations. He is also in charge of heat, light and water.
Mr. McLean has charge of the accounting and ofiice staff. That is, the office
men inside. Mr. Hogg has charge of drafting construction reports and estirtiat-
ing. Mr. Black is the mechanical engineer. He takes charge of the industrial
staff, the machinery, etc. He has also charge of the machine shop, the railway
in operation and roads and bridges. Construction i^ under Mr. Culman
directly, that includes the foremen of the various trades, planing mill, lumber,
and such like.
Q. — Then you have a superintendent of the farm branch ?
A. — The farm branch is separate entirely. It is under Mr. Hamilton.
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Q. — He has charge of that. He is in full charge of the farm operations?
A. — Yes
Q. — I mixed him with Mr. Ciilman.
A. — The farmer gets — I think his salary is $750 a year.
Mr, Hartt: That is not much for a good farmer.
A. — No. . . . Here is a payroll. When a man is employed or dis-
charged the superintendent sigiis that and sends it into the office here, that is
when he is hiring or discharging help. A man is given that time card. The
time is taken by the foreman. The foreman goes to the work half an hour
before work is started in the morning. The men have to be there at 7.30 o'clock,
7 in the summer. If a man comes in fifteen minutes late he is docked half-an-
honr. If he comes half-an-hour late he is docked an hour, and so on. In
adflition to the time taken by the foreman that time is checked up twice a
day by the clerks. ... I brought you the last pay-roll, which consists
of four days in the month of October.
Q. — That will be quite satisfactory. That gives the whole operation,
that is all I was interested in.
A. — These time cards are issued at the beginning of the week by the
office. Then the men fill in their time. We do that to avoid disputes between
the workmen and the timekeeper, and our time sheets. It is easier to straighten
it out at the end of a week than the end of two weeks, when there is a kick.
That card is turned into the office, o.k'd by the superintendent, who checks
up the time on these cards and the time of the foreman's books and the time
records in his own office.. . . At the beginning of the year an account-
able warrant is issued by the office and deposited in the Royal Bank to the
credit of wage account. That may be five or six thousand. When they make
up the pay, the cheques are all issued by the office up there. . . We issue
a payroll and it is forwarded to the office there. It is then sent down here
to me to be scheduled by our office, and, after being checked up, it goes up to
the audit office and, after it is checked up there, the Treasurer issues this
cheque on the Royal Bank to cover the amount of the payroll. The amount
deposited in the first instance is always kept the same.
Q. — Then the first move is made up at the prison ?
A. — Yes, that payroll is only for four or five days, that was the close of
the fiscal year. We had another pay coming in there, the audit office requiring
us to pay right up to the end of the year.
Q. — I see that it is signed by different men. Is it only signed when
they get their cheques ?
A. — That is all.
Q. — You say that a copy of this is sent down ?
A. — I am giving you now the voucher from the audit office. Here is a
copy we always keep for our file.
Q. — This is sent down from Guelph ?
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A. — Yes, to the office here with the voucher attached to it. This state-
ment is made up here. Then it comes down and is checked up by the account-
ants in the prison branch here. Payment is then recommended by the In-
spector, and then by either the Provincial Secretary or his Deputy.
Q. — Is this sent down with these signatures. Do you mean that first
they sign ?
A. — Xo, no. The audit office deposits a sum of money in the first
instance.
Q. — I grasp that now. That deposit is enough to make the payments for
the time, and as soon as the payroll is certified to the amounl^ is replaced by
this.
A. — Quite so.
Q. — That cheque is issued on this schedule, issued by the Department
here ?
A. — That is right.
Q. — To the account of the Central Prison Farm wage account. It is
signed by Kuhlman and, countersigned by S. A. Armstrong.
Mk. Hartt: They would not be able to get a number of fake men on
the payroll.
A. — Well, there would have to be a good many in the game.
Q. — You couldn't have a jeweller or a wholesale liquor man on the list
unless he was actually working there ?
A. — I don't think it could be done.
Mr. Bowman : What is he driving at now ?
A. — As I said there would have to be a great many in it and by the time
they had divided up there wouldn't be much left. . . . There is a cost
system of handling sash and frames and one thing and another. This is a
work order. When any work is undertaken in a shop it is noted on a work
order, made out by the superintendent. This order is marked 276, box frame,
detailed drawing sheet 200. That goes to the foreman of the shop who keeps
a record of the work done on these work orders with the material used, the
time of the men, and so on. He notes when it is finished, he has made a
notation of the amount of material. He knows the number of the stock bill this
material is taken from, and from it gets the correct number and price of the
material. The foreman is conversant with all that. That enables the men in
the office to know the grade, because if the foreman does not know the grade
of the material the office people would not know it. He puts the material
used, the time of the men — here is the time of the paid men, and the time
of the prisoners.
Q. — You have some paid men and some prisoners ?
A. — Oh, yes, you have to — here is the number of hired men and here is
the number of prisoners.
Q. — The foreman simply keeps a record.
A. — Yes, this is independent of the payroll, this is a shop record.
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Q. — At what rate do you cbariic the pri.sonors' time (
A. — The prisoners' time is charged at 7 cents an hour. When we invoice
it we make an additional charge. These men are charged at 33 to 35 cents
in this particular instance, and in order to take care of overhead expenses we
make the charge of labor 40 to 45 cents an hour and ten cents for prison labor.
. . . This is a copy of the invoice sent to Whitby. Here is a work order
for these frames. They figure the cost there from the labor and material
used. Then there is another order for priming these frames. This is a
requisition for lumber taken from the stores, put in by the foreman.
Q. — This is a requisition for material ?
A. — Yes. All this is turned into the office. At the office, from these
work orders, they make up that invoice. That, at least, shows the procedure.
Q.— All right. This went to Whitby ?
A.— Yes
Q. — How was it finally adjusted ?
A. — This is dated March 14. Whitby in the course of time will pass
that for payment. They will pass that invoice like the invoice of any other
concern. They pay it the same as to any other concern. A cheque is issued
and that money, when it is paid, will go into consolidated revenue.
Q. — It will be turned in as revenue from the prison farm ?
A. — Yes
Q. — The prison farm gets credit for that ?
A. — Yes
Q. — In what way do they adjust that, so far as the prison is concerned ?
A. — I don't understand you.
Q. — That cheque is issued to the prison farm, and the prison farm turns
it in as credit, but how does the prison farm treat that cheque ?
A. — The account is credited to the Hospital for the Insane, Whitby. The
Hospital is credited with a cheque for so much money. The revenue account
is charged with that cheque and then it goes into the Provincial Treasurer.
Q. — Have you, in connection with the prison operations, an account
whereby you show your profit or loss in connection with work of this kind.
A. — Xo, we haven't got an operating account as yet. Here is our difficulty.
At the present time we are running up there and doing an enormous amount
of work in connection with our own plant. By handling these in this way it
enables us to buy our material at a lower figure. By picking over our lumber
the better grades are put into sash and frames, for this and other work. The
lower grade stuff is culled and used for flooring centres for reinforced concrete.
It is difficult to adjust that. At the time this shipment was made to Whitby
it was charged with $1,074.04. The stock account and the wage account would
be credited for their portions of that and the paint stock and lumber stock
credited.
Q. — I see, you simply send in a detailed account of the amount of lumber
and the time used.
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A. — ^Well, we know for a fact that we are not turning anything out at a
loss. That is sure. We may not be running at a profit. In other words we are
not seeking dividends.
0- — It is difficult to arrive at the cost here of making these 27G box
frames. It is indefinite as to what that box frame really costs.
A. — You would have to take the details and make a comparison of
value.
Q. — It is impossible to get at it from that?
A. — It is impossible. The best evidence of that is from the men in our
employ who are experienced in factory work and mill work. Mr. Kuhlman,
our superintendent, is a man who used to be associated with the Owen Sound
Lumber Company.
Mr. Galxa: It must have been here in the city.
A. — He is able to speak as to the value, he knows well enough . . . but
I get your point, it is whether we are really making the saving we allege.
Unless you are prepared to make a more detailed examination than you are
prepared to go into now, you have got to take my word for it.
Q. — We are always prepared to take everybody's word. But we are
here for the purpose of checking it up. You appreciate that.
A. — I quite appreciate it.
Q. — We are very curious, Mr. Armstrong, but I suppose it is possible
to get more details and get a description of this ?
A. — I will give you a block plan and bring the drawings up here in ten
minutes if you want them.
Q. — That is beyond me. I am not expert enough for that. If you will
get me the dimensions of that window frame, the size, breadth, etc. —
A. — In other words, you can get a figure of what a frame like that would
be worth.
Q. — If there is a saving shown, by way of comparison, you are entitled
to get credit for it.
Mr. Hartt: Do you object because they charged \Vhitby too much?
^Ik. Bowman : I am curious, that's all.
!Mr. Armstrong: You want to find out whether we can go into the market
and buy these frames cheaper than we can make them ?
Mr. Bowman : Yes. I have given Mr. Armstrong credit for having a
good system. I want to check it up and find out if it is as perfect as he
thinks it is.
^\]i. Gai.na: I think it, is a very elaborate system.
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Mr. Akmsteong : If you are going to get a figure, we would want to
prepare a specification, to see that your man is figuring on the material we
are putting into them. We maintain we are producing an article at less money,
that is superior to an article similar to what we are making that we could
buy by tender outside.
Q. — I want to give you an opportunity of substantiating that statement.
A. — Yes, we can substantiate that.
Q. — Have you a summary of these accounts ?
A. — That is the file as it came from the audit office. They won't split
these things up. I have got to go through every account. They have only
produced 1913 here.
Q. — Have you the Whitby accounts for 1912?
A. — Here is one of Goldie & Co. That is one asked for. We prepare
the accounts twice a month. You will find them separated through here. The
audit office won't break them up.
Q. — I don't blame them.
A. — I don't either. Here is the account of Baines & Peckover.
Q. — Perhaps we would get on just as fast if you could leave these in
charge of the Clerk of the Committee, and I could get an opportunity of going
through them. It looks like a waste of time for me to go through them and
ask questions as I go along.
A. — I am quite agreeable.
Q. — It will save time. We want to do this in a fairly intelligent sort of
way. If we go through them that way we can't make any headway. I think
perhajDS we have got on as far as we can with Mr. Armstrong this morning.
If I get time to go through these accounts and wish to ask further questions
I can do it at a later meeting.
A. — Certainly.
Mr. McGarry : I want to ask Mr. Armstrong some questions.
Mr. Bowmax : I assumed you would have a few.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, April Ist,
at 11 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
April 1, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. Chairman: Mr. Wigle is here.
Mr. Ernest S. Wigle called and sworn.
Mr. Elliott : Mr. Wia'le, what is vour residence ?
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A. — Windsor.
Q. — And your occupation ?
A. — Barrister-at-law.
Q. — Will vou tell us what was your connection with these two townships
— the purchase of the townships referred to in the Public Accounts of 1912,
the townships of Kendry and Ilaggart ?
A. — I am a i)arty to the agreement.
Q. — That is, you were one of the parties that negotiated the agree-
ment?
A.— Yes
Q. — Along with ?
A. — Mr. Rushworth and Mr. Jackson.
Q. — Mr. Jackson was not a party to the first agreement ?
A. — He was in subsequently.
Q. — He was not in the first agreement, that was between you and Mr.
Rushworth and the Government ?
A. — The agreement speaks for itself.
Q. — Was Jackson present at any of the interviews with the Minister
before the agreement was entered into ?
A. — He was.
Q. — How many ?
A. — I cannot tell you how many.
Q. — Not approximately?
A. — It would simply be a guess.
Q. — Well, give us the best guess you can give.
A. — I cannot say. I know he was there at several meetings. I wouldn't
make a guess at it. More than half a dozen, I should say.
Q. — How far had matters progressed before he was taken into the arrange-
ment ?
A. — Preliminary talks.
Q. — Between ?
A. — The Minister, Rushworth and myself. I had seen the Premier be-
fore Jackson met him.
Q. — Had you arrived at a basis of agreement?
A. — A general outline was talked of.
Q. — Nothing definite concluded ?
A. — You mean before Jackson was taken in ?
Q.— Yes.
A. — I don't think so.
Q. — To your recollection there was not?
A.— No."^
Q. — Had you personally any experience in colonization matters before
this ?
A.— No.
Q. — Or any dealings of this kind ?
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A. — Not with the Government.
Q.— With anybody ?
A. — With other matters, yes.
Q. — Similar to this ?
A. — Similar.
Q. — Tt is a Timber deal?
A. — The agreement does not say it is a Timber deal.
Q. — But there is Timber in the deal ?
A. — There is Timber in the deal, I suppose.
Q. — Will you tell us the terms on which you and Mr. Rushworth took
Jackson in on the deal ?
A. — The agreement speaks for itself, as far as the Department is con-
cerned. Any arrangement between Rushworth, Jackson and myself, I regard
as personal matters. I do not think the Committee is interested in that, or
that the public is.
Me. Chairman : I think we had a ruling on that. I thought we were all
agreed on that.
Mr. Wigle : That is the way I feel about it, anyway.
Mk. Elliott : As far as the agreement between you and Jackson and
Rushworth on the one hand, and the Government on the other, is concerned,
that agreement sets forth its terms with sufficient clearness. But there is
another agreement, an assignment to Jackson and somebody else the rights
you and Mr. Rushworth had. That doesn't set forth the terms.
Me. McGaeey: It speaks for itself, too.
Me. Elliott : It doesn't set forth the consideration for that assignment.
Me. McGaeey: It sets forth the consideration enough to make it legal
and binding.
Me. Elliott : It is sufficiently legal and binding, but it says absolutely
nothing about what the consideration is.
Me. McGaeey: It is unnecessary.
Me. Elliott : We want to get it, if Mr. Wigle is in a position to give us
the facts.
Mr. Chair:man': Mr. Wigle has already stated that it is a matter of
private concern. I thought the rule was well established on matters of that
kind, that they were not the subject of investigation here. This is a private
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arrangemeut between these people aud we are here to examine only the deal-
ings between these people and the Government.
Mr. Elliott : I suppose this is a matter of the greatest interest to the
Committee.
Mr. Chairman: The only interest we have here is the dealings between
these people and the Government. As to what their private dealings were
we are not concerned in that at all. It seems to me that is obvious. I thought
we had agreed about that.
Me. Hartt : I do not think Mr. Elliott was here when we came to that
understanding.
Mr. Chairman: It has been a precedent established long before I had
anything to do with this Committee.
Mr. Elliott : That is the ruling.
Mr. Chairman : Oh, yes.
Dr. Reaume: It is more a matter of curiosity than interest.
Mr. Chairman : I remember last year this same thing was gone into very
fully. We looked up the records and found several precedents cited. We
went back to the same ruling made by Mr. Graham in connection with the
Shannon Timber Deal, and we had it over the \ATaitney-Munn Deal last year.
The precedents recited are recorded in the minutes. There is no use wasting
time reading them.
Mr. Elliott : I do recall the Chairman referring to the fact, that he was
anxious to get all the facts of interest, before the Committee.
Mr. Chairma^t: You might as well ask Mr. Wigle about any of his
private affairs as ask him about this.
Mr. Elliott: I have no desire to go into Mr. Wigle's personal affairs
at all.
Mr. Chairman : I understand that.
Mr. Elliott : Perhaps we can get the information we require in another
way. Mr. Wigle, will you tell us what you did before the deal was concluded,
what information you had as to these Townships?
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Mr. Wigle: I had plans and reports.
Mr. Elliott: Prepared bv whom?
A. — By ^[r. Rushworth.
Q. — Reports on the Townships ?
A.— Yes
Q. — You had not looked them over yourselves ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — You did so through your agents who had made examinations, the
gentlemen mentioned by Mr. Rushworth?
A.— Yes
Q. — What did they report as to the amount of the timber?
A. — The report was very full, and I presume it covered everything.
Q. — Have you the report or a copy ?
A.— Xo.
Mr. McGarry: These reports are in the possession of the Government
and open to everyone.
Mr. Elliott: I do not think the reports with the Government are the
reports Mr. Wigle refers to — to witness: Didn't you send up parties to make
an examination for yourselves ?
A. — Yes
Q. — In regard to this examination, have vou the reports ?
A.— X^o.
Q. — Are these reports referred to, the ones you say were laid before the
Government and made public ?
A. — Xo, that was our information.
Q. — So that it is nonsense to talk about these reports being laid before
the Government, showing that information you had obtained by your own
expenditure ?
A. — I do not say that it would be nonsense, it would not be business.
Q. — But it did not take place?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Have you these reports ?
A. — I have not.
Q. — Where could they be obtained ?
A. — I couldn't tell you that, now, Mr. Rushworth could answer for that.
Q. — Can you give us an idea as to the amount of timber ?
A.— Xo. "^
Q. — The estimated amount ?
A.— Xo.
Mr. Hartt : Providing these gentlemen have these reports, or that Mr.
Rushworth had them, it would not be in order to ask them to give us these
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reports. They are their own personal property, obtained by their own enter-
prise and their own money.
;Mr. ^IcGarry : Every person who knows anything abont timberinp;, knows
that if there is one thing a timber man will hold absolutely private, it is his
report on a timber berth. Lumbermen keep these reports absolutely secret to
themselves. I understood Mr. Rushworth to say the last day we here these were
his private reports and he intended to keep them so.
Mr. Chairman: He said they were in the possession of the Company
now. We all understand that if a man is going to buy a piece of property from
the Government or anybody else, he would get a private report on it, he would
not take the report of the vendor. This is his own personal, private infor-
mation.
Mr. Elliott : Can you give an idea of the amount of timber that has been
taken off there ?
A.— ^Tq.
-Q. — You are still a party, you belong to the Company?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Do you get statements from time to time as to the progress they are
making ?
A. — I have not seen any.
Q. — Do you know anything about the amount of timber obtained ?
A.— IsTo."^
Q. — Who has that information ?
A. — The Company.
Q, — But each member of the Company will be able to give it ?
A. — I can't tell you that. You know how the documents dealing with a
Company are kept, Mr. Elliott.
Q. — I supposed the various members of the Company who have access to
them should know what the condition is of their business transaction.
A.— I am entirely without it.
Q. — As far as you personally are aware, you know nothing of the amount
of good timber ?
A.— No.
Q. — Or what they realized for it ?
A.— No.
Q. — Or the amount cut over in those townships yet?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Do you know E. D. Mackay, ]\rr. Wigle ?
A. — I do not know R. D. ^Nfackay.
Q. — He was a gentleman from ]\Iichigan, who along with
!^^R. Cti airman: The fellows who cruised the place. This is the con-
fidential report they got.
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Me. Elliott: Are they interested in the Company now, do you know?
A. — I do not know.
Q. — You get information as to who was in the Company ?
A. — The returns will show that. The returns to the Department will
show it.
Q. — You cannot say that personally from your own information ?
A.— X^o.
Q. — Do you know the amount, if any, of any sale of that property ?
A. — No, I cannot give you any information on that.
Q. — Can you give us any information of the Company's dealings with the
property at the present time ?
A. — I do not know, Mr. Chairman, how far this investigation goes? Is
that a matter of investigation ?
Me. Chairmais' : What is the question ?
Mr. Elliott: With regard to the dealings of the Company.
Me. Chairman: You mean what timber they have obtained, what land
has been sold, how much of the land has been cleared, and how far they have
carried on the purposes they were incorporated to do. Are you closely in
touch, Mr. Wigle?
A.— No.
Mr. Chairman : Then there is no use asking him.
Mr. Wigle: I do not know whether Mr. Kushworth would be able to
give you that information or not, but he will know more than I do.
Mr. Bowman: I suppose Mr. Jackson is fairly familiar with the opera-
tions of the Company ?
A. — I am not.
Mr. Chairman : Mr. Wigle is attending to his private business in
Windsor, he is not looking after this Company.
Me. Elliott : If he has no personal information, there is no use taking
up his time.
A. — Xo, I haven't it.
Witness excused.
Me. S. a. Aemsteong, recalled.
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Mr. Armstrong: You were wanting the plans and blue-prints showing
the division of the fields, and you wanted blue-prints in connection with frames
that we were manufacturing and the specifications covering them. I have
them here for you.
!^^R. BowMAX : There was also something further.
Mr. McGakry : I think we ought to have these in first.
Mr. Bowman: In connection with that there was another matter went
along with it. We were discussing the capacity of the industries at the Prison
Farm.
Mr. Ar:mstronCt : You were wanting the number of prisoners that would
be employed. I have that here, too. You can quite understand that in giv-
ing you the number of men that would be employed, I can only give you what
are now- permanent industries, where we have approximately 330 men. We
will employ 330 men in what we call the permanent industries. The indus-
tries at present in operation at the Central Prison, Toronto, broom factory,
wood-working shop, woollen mill, machine shop, paint and enamel shop, tailor
shop and shoe shop.
Mr. Bowman : In referring to the number of men employed, you are
referring now to the new works ?
A. — These I am referring to are industries transferred to the Prison Farm
and that we estimate we will be able to employ about 330 men. That does not
take into consideration the men who will be engaged in quarry operations, stone
crushing and manufacturing lime, material used in the construction of build-
ings elsewhere, or in farm operations, or in dairy operations. That is difficult
to estimate.
Mr. Bowman : Now, at that time, before the Prison Farm was commenced,
or was broached, or started, or rather before operations were commenced at
Guelph, there were certain industries in operation in Toronto here, not now
being operated ?
A. — Under contract, yes. There were cordage works and the wood-work-
ing shops.
Q. — Am I safe in assuming that, previous to the change in policy, in con-
nection with the Central Prison that works you had under operation in the
Central Prison provided employment for all your prisoners there?
A. — All that were qualified to work. You can appreciate that there are
a good many men who are incapable of working in the industries.
Q. — As a matter of fact, wore all the prisoners in the old Prison when
the Taylor-Scott contract was in force — were all the prisoners employed ?
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A. — I think I can say yes to that by reason of the fact of the constant
friction between the contractors and the Warden as to the number of men sup-
plied to the contractors carrying on the industries. The contractors were
always demandino- so many men to keep up with the increase in business.
Q. — That clears up that point. In looking over the evidence of the 25th
March, I understood you to say from the evidence that there was a considerable
p'ercentage of prisoners who were idle, and that if it were not for the commence-
ment of a Prison Farm that a lot of these prisoners would have been idle here.
A. — Let me explain that. A very wrong impression is given "
Mr. Bowman : Here is your answer to a question ; with regard to a sum
of $186,000 for maintenance from 10th April, 1910, to the end of October,
1913, " The question might pro])crly be raised as to whether that should be
charged against the Central Prison at Guelph, Those prisoners had to be
maintained, why should the entire cost be charged against capital account.
They would all have had to be maintained in the Central Prison, Toronto."
Then there is the question, " What is the average cost of maintenance at the
Central ? A. — Cost of administration and everything, about fifty cents a day.
Q. — And at Guelph ? A. — At Guelph, seventy cents a day ? Q. — Here it is
20 cents a day less ? A. — If that argument holds good prison labor has cost
us 20 cents a day. Q. — These men. would be earning something here ? A. —
Not anything as much as they would be earning there." Then you go on to
say that when the contracts were terminated, work ceased except for those men
employed in industries which Avere carried on at the same time as the contract.
Mr. Armstrong : You will see the cordage contract closed out before the
Taylor-Scott, and then the Taylor-Scott business began to fall away in contem-
plation of a termination of the contract, and we had a large number of men who
had to be given employment.
Q. — That change was entirely of a temporary character by reason of the
change in policy?
A. — Which change do you refer to ?
Q. — The fact that you had a certain number of men who had to be given
employment by reason of the wiping out of the industries.
A. — The policy of the Government was to terminate contract labor.
Q. — There may have been a short time there were some idle men by rea-
son of the change of policy until such time as you were able to give them employ-
ment at Guelph. That would only be of a temporary character?
A. — Only until we were able to give them employment at Guelph.
Q. — Were there any idle men up to 1906-7 and 1908 ?
A. — I would not say. I cannot speak positively as to that. I know that
friction was constantly taking place between the contractors and the authori-
ties there over the supply of men.
Mr. McGarry: When they closed the cordage shops there were a num-
ber of idle men, and then you started operations at the Farm, and these men
got employment ?
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Mr. Bowman : I am safe in assuming then, that had there not been a
change in policy and the commencing of the Prison Farm, there would have
been industries continued so as to provide employment, if that policy had not
been changed.
A. — Only under contract.
Mb. Chairman : It is a matter of record in the evidence here that the
contractors were constantly demanding more men and were not getting them.
Mr. Armstrong: To-day there is a very serious situation down there.
There are a lot of men unemployed.
Me. Bowman : Xow, coming back to the Farm. This plan you show me
here, is a general layout of the Farm ?
A. — That shows the subdivision of the fields.
Q. — I think you said the total acreage is 800 acres ?
A. — I think that is about it, approximately so. I would say that there
are almost 500 acres under cultivation.
Q. — I see. There would only be then about 300 acres in excess of what
is actually under cultivation ? So last year you had under cultivation some-
thing over 500 acres ?
A. — About 500, 475, I think it was.
Q. — In addition to that, what portion of this 800 acres do you expect will
eventually be put in a condition to be used for agricultural purposes ?
A. — If you include, as being used for agricultural purposes, pasture lands,
I would say there is very little except the building site and the quarries around
here that will not be used for agricultural purposes.
Me. Chaieman" : Is that low land of no account at all ?
A. — It can't be used yet, because we haven't got into it to drain it. There
is a lot of fine virgin land, about two feet deep of land, that has never been
cultivated.
Q. — So that nearly the whole 800 acres will be used ?
A.— Yes.
Me. McGaeey: Over 700 acres, anyway?
A. — I would say over 700 acres.
Me. Chairman : How much do the buildings take up ?
A. — About 700 feet, by probably 200 feet.
Q. — I was asking in acres ?
A. — I cannot figiire that out.
Me. Muneo: It would be about 31/2 acres.
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Mb. Abmstrong : I would say that this land down in here, would be more
particularly reserved for pasturage, all the portion down here, this would be
reserved for pasture also.. .Over here there is some very fine timber, rock elm
and everything else. I believe the Farm Director intends to reserve this portion
here for pasturage purposes also.
Mk. Bowman: A safe estimate of the amount of acreage that will be
tilled would be approximately 500 acres, the rest will be used for pasturage and
purposes of that kind ?
A.— Yes
Mr. McGarry: I want to ask a question. You say there will be about
500 acres that will be cultivated and of the balance at least 200 acres will be
reserved for pasturage ?
A. — The balance of 200 acres would be reserved for industries, quarries,
buildings and pasturage.
Q. — Just explain how the farm operations are carried on?
A. — The actual management of the farm is in charge of the Farmer, who
is responsible to the Farm Director. The Farmer is required to make daily
reports to the Farm Director showing the work performed by him each day,
and that daily report shows the fields on which he was engaged, the amount of
labor employed, and the number of hours of work performed. These daily
reports go into the office and are transferred to a sort of ledger in which we
are able to keep track of the actual cost of the production of any particular field
on the Farm. In the Spring the Farmer has to make a report, not later than
the 15th June, showing the seeding done by him that Spring. This summary
shows the fields seeded, the acreage, what the seed was, and from these the
Farm Director is able to make up, in the office, just what is being produced in
each field and charges in this ledger, according to the seed that has been used,
and so gets a complete cost of what it has taken to operate that field. Then, in
the Fall, the Farmer turns in a summary of his harvest in which he shows the
number of fields, the crop harvested, and the total amount produced.
Mr. McGarry : You have these fields numbered ?
A. — This number in the ledger is Field Xo. 5. It was planted with
potatoes, and shows a net gain from the operation of that field of $761.77.
Q. — What is the acreage of that field I
A. — The acreage of that field is 15 acres.
Q. — So that you had a profit of $761 on 15 acres? .
A. — Yes.
Mr. Elliott : How does the size of the various fields compare ? Are
they fairly uniform ?
A. — Xo. For it is not possible to lay them out in uniformity. The
whole farm has been surveyed by an Engineer, and we know when he says a
field is 15 acres, that it is 15 acres.
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I\Ik. Musgkove : There would be good money in that field of potatoes ?
A. — Yes
Mb. Chairman : That would net you about $50 an acre ?
A. — That was allowing 70 cents a bushel for potatoes.
!Mr. Bowman : How many bushels ?
A. — That field produced 1,950.
!Me. McGaery: How do you keep track of what is sent to the other
institutions ?
A. — These potatoes are turned into storage. The Farmer's interest ceases
when he turns them into the storage. After that it becomes a matter of hand-
ling by the other Department.
]\Ie. McGarky: A matter of book-keeping?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Anything further with reference to the Farm ?
A. — Nothing, except as to the manner in which the cattle are handled and
the hogs. In the fields they make a charge of 7 cents an hour for prison labor
and 15 cents an hour for each horse. The cost of these horses is made up by
a monthly stable return put in by the Farmer of the number of horses main-
tained, the quantity of feed and fodder, at a stated price per ton, and from
that they ascertain the cost per hour for the upkeep of the horses. We have
records in the office by which we show the progress made by each cow. This
cow here is removed from the herd for low production of milk, for not coming
up to the standard fixed by the Director.
Mr. Musgrove: What is the standard, about 10,000 lbs.?
A. — I think about 14,000 lbs. I would not say for sure. .
Q. — A year ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — That is very high ?
A.— We have them go as high as 18,000 to 20,000.
Mr. Elliott : What class of cows are they ?
A. — Holsteins.
Q. — Holsteins only are kept ?
A. — Holsteins, at Guelph, yes.
Mr. McGarry : Do you follow the same system at Whitby ?
A. — The same system is used at all the institutions in connection with farm
operations.
Mr. Chairman: Your cow there produces about four times what the
average farmer gets.
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]\Ik. Bowman: I can take that specification and that formula, just lay
them aside and I will look them over, we can save time that way. Mr. Arm-
strong;, there is a another matter. Looking over this statement, you prepared,
I find that it does not give the Prison Farm justice so far as being able to arrive
at the actual amount of expenditure other than what is rightly chargeable
against the Prison Farm. Take this item here of $949,000. In looking over
this, I have come to the conclusion that a portion of that amount is not directly
chargeable to the Prison Farm. For instance, when you make purchase of
lumber, everything is charged to the Prison Farm, and the charge is included in
that amount. Is that not right?
A. — Yes.
Q. — So that the Prison Farm should have credit for whatever amount was
manufactured and produced there and shipped to other institutions and which
you have charged against these institutions?
A.— Yes.^
Q. — I would like you to get me
A. — I will say that, approximately, what has been shipped in that way —
that there would be, approximately, $25,000 taken off that.
Q. — Yes. Then if $25,000 is deducted, that would represent all that has
been manufactured or produced on the Farm, farm produce, in addition to
manufactures, that has been shipped to other institutions ?
A.— I would say about $25,000.
Q. — Then it is not necessary to go into the detail (
A.— Xo.
Mr. Musgkove : Is there any maintenance in that ?
A. — Oh, yes. We charge Prison labor at T cents an hour.
To Mr. Bowman : I prepared that statement in this way. As arranged,
it is simply a recapitulation or a reproduction of our ledger accounts. I have
shown there in that statement under several headings the expenditures. There
is a Main Eeformatory building, then the industrial centre, that covers these
industrials which at the time we never contemplated. It was not until the
Department got into the scheme that they were able to realize the possibilities
of the money in turning out our own lime, we found it possible to have a lime
kiln. That'^went up at a cost of $3,000 or $4,000.
Q. — You went into that expenditure because you came to the conclusion
that by spending $3,000 or $4,000 on a lime kiln, you would, when you had
it completed, be saving money on your lime ?
A. — There was a saving in the first instance in the construction of the
Guelph Institution. In the second we found we could make more than enough
to pay interest on the capital investment in supplying other institutions. We
experienced this difficulty, the trouble in the past has been in shipping in car-
load lots. It is not used up at once, and you know what happens to it. Xow
we hvdrate the lime and ship it in sacks that can be kept for years in that
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condition. Take, for instance, the stone crusher, we endeavoured to handle a
small portable crusher. The cost was so high we felt justified in going into a
stone crushing plant.
Q. — Do you sell any of the stone ?
A. — Yes, we sell to Municipalities.
•]\rR. MusGROVE : How much have you sold ?
A. — During last fall we shipped out about 600 tons.
Q. — How do you charge ?
A. — Forty-five to 50 cents a ton on the car — I would have to look that up.
Q, — How many cubic yards would that be ?
A. — I think there would be l^/o tons to a cubic yard.
Q. — How much did you say ?
A. — About 50 cents a ton.
Q. — Is that better stuff than the St. Mary's for road building?
A. — I would not want to say that.
Q. — Do many Municipalities purchase stone from you ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Do you crush it in different sizes ?
A. — From dust to 2 inches.
Mr. Bowman : It is good for concrete, then ?
A. — The very best. We expect that with the Good Roads movement that
the stone crushing plant and the hydrated lime plant will be important forces
in the development of the Good Roads Movement. The Highways Engineer
has experimented with our hydrated lime, which we have supplied him, in
concrete roads.
Mr. Musgrove: How do you hydrate it?
A. — It is ground to % of an inch in fineness. It is lifted from that mill
to storage bins.
Q. — After it is burnt?
A. — Yes. It is passed through a crusher and weighed into a hopper, and
l,50u0 lbs. put into the hydrater, a large revolving bin turns the stuff up against
stationary plows. We add about 33 per cent, of water, depending on the sea-
son of the year. In 20 minutes' time we hydrate it. It is then passed through
a hopper.
Q. — It will not slack after that ?
A. — Xo, it has passed from that stage.
Mr. Bowman : Looking over the evidence in connection with the capacity
of the dormitory, I see you say 20 or 25. Xow, is it 20 or is it 25 ?
A. — We estimate them at 25, that is three dormitories to a floor.
Mr. Chairman : Three on a floor and three floors ?
A. — I do not know whether I made all clear on that question of popula-
tion. You probably appreciate the fact that in these institutions, while there
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 87
is only accommodation for 500 to 550 men, we have, of necessity, a large first
cost. For instance, the dining room, the kitchen are able to accommodate 750
men, the same with the bathrooms and laundries, the same with the power
house, the same with the industrial buildings.
Q. — You anticipate a larger population ?
A. — Quite so. We realize this, that as matters go in the prison world
to-daj in Ontario, that if it wasn't for the outside camps we have at Whitby,
at Mimico and Guelph, we would' have great difficulty in handling the situation
created by money stringency this winter. We see clearly that though our
population to-day might be 550, with the growth of the Province, and to meet
situations such as exist to-day, it will be necessary to anticipate a larger institu-
tion at a later date.
Mr. Musgeove : How many prisoners have you at Fort William ?
A. — About fifty. (To Mr. Bowman) That is why the initial cost of this
institution is so high.
Q. — You are building for the future ?
A. — Yes, we are building for the future.
Mr. McGarry: Then you are allowing for the popularity of the Institu-
tion ? I was going to ask you, with reference to the A\Tiitby building, I would
like you to explain to the Committee what buildings you are erecting, and
what the object of those buildings are at Whitby ?
A. — We have proceeded at Whitby in the erection, first of the temporary
camp
Mr. Musgrove: How much land did you purchase there?
A. — I think about 675 acres, (continuing) — we proceeded first with the
erection of a farm dormitory where we have housed about 35 patients. These
men operate the farm entirely. Then we established a prisoners' camp, and
there we have accommodated 175 men who do the labour of construction. We
have eight cottages under way.
Mr. McGarry : What is the size of those cottages ?
A. — Those cottages accommodate fifty patients.
Q. — They are built of what material ?
A. — They have concrete foundations, with walls of concrete structural tile
supplied from Guelph, but we haven't been able to turn out these tile fast
enough from Guelph and in some respects they are not suited for our work at
Whitby, so that the cottages erected from now on will be erected with brick and
clay structural tile from our brick plant at Mimico.
Mr. Pattixsox : Will concrete tile give you a good, dry building ?
A. — Yes. In that connection, we conducted a whole lot of experiments
at the University to ascertain just what the heating loss through brick and tile
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construction and full tile construction would be, and as a result of these exi)eri-
ments, we found we were able to effect a saving of about $20,000 in heating
installation.
Q. — Bj using tile ?
A. — By using tile with a certain construction, with an insulation of tile
with metal lath and plaster. We have two cottage centres there and we put up
eight cottages in each centre and there is a dining room attached to each of
these cottage centres.
Mb. McGarry : What population is i^rovided for ?
A. — One thousand patients with room for expansion up to fifteen hundred
patients. In fact we can expand from anything from fifteen hundred up to
two thousand patients. The same situation exists at Whitby as at Guelph.
We know perfecth' well that the time will come when we will have an increase
in that population at Whitby. We judge that from our experience of the last
two years. We have put in a power house, heating ducts and sewage disposal,
that can be used for a much larger population. We have at Whitby our own
gravel screening plant because it is necessary to screen all the gravel that comes
from the Lake. We have put in a temporary screening plant with our seaboard
beam plant. We have adopted hollow beam construction and are using it in
the floors of these buildings.
Q. — What are these patent rights for the Seaboard beam ?
A. — We have rights we acquired from the Canadian Seaboard Beam Com-
pany of Three Rivers. We were anxious to get a light long span, a cheap type
of floor construction for the cottages. We eliminated heavy concrete beams, or
steel beams, but at the same time w^e wanted to make these floors as nearly
fireproof as we could make them. We did not want to duplicate the frame
construction in other institutions. After a good deal of research we hit upon
this seaboard beam, the Patent of which was held by the Canadian Company
in Three Rivers. We entered into negotiations with them. We wanted the
right to use this construction in all Government Buildings. They wanted ten
thousand dollars for the right. Subsequent negotiations enabled us to effect
a purchase with these people for $500.00. There was a little extra expense,
some $3G.50, for securing copies of Patents at Ottawa, etc. Our actual exper-
ience to-day, although the first lot were turned out when the men were not
working to their full capacity, shows that we are right in our estimate and
that we are putting in a cheaper type of floor construction than we can get in
any other way.
Mr. CIIAIRMA^- : What do you mean when you say you have a temporary
screening plant in connection with the beam plant?
A. — We have to bring the material up from the beach, which is a long
way from construction.
Q. — How far ?
A. — A good half mile.
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Mr. McGarry: You put in your owti siding?
A. — We have a Grand Trunk sidine". We have to bring this sand away
down here. You could not possibly handle it with teams over that clay land.
It is out of the question. At this time of the yeqr, with that class of land, it
is imi)ossible.
Mr. McGarry : You say you have eight cottages under way ?
• A. — Yes. And this dining room under way. These buildings are prac-
tically up, and we are starting on this other cottage centre. At a later part of
the year we hope to be able to relieve the congestion at Queen street by trans-
ferring the patients there and also by closing up the Cobourg institution.
Mr. Musgrove: Do the patients do any work?
A. — They handle the farm and dairy work at Whitby. The results, the
improvements in these patients, have been remarkable since they have been at
work on the Farm.
Mr. Chairman: You mean the outdoor treatment is beneficial?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry : What is the total investment to date down there ?
A.— $346,000.
Q. — Will you refer to your accounting system there ?
A. — The same method is practiced at Whitby as at Guelph.
Q. — How about the other institutions in the Provincial Secretary's
Department ?
A. — The accounting system in the Public Institutions is different to what
it is at Guelph, but in our accounting system in the other institutions the same
principles are employed, and we get at the end of every quarter, in the office
at Toronto, a separate sheet in which the itemized cost of the maintenance of
patients is set out, showing the cost during the quarter. We compare that
with its own previous quarter and compare it with that of the other institutions.
Q. — Do you get the cost of each item ?
A. — We subdivide them under different headings, as appear in the Esti-
mates, salaries, heating, drugs, provisions and different items of that description.
^Ir. Musgrove : You could detect it if one was going above the others ?
A. — Yes, we are able to keep a check on the cost of maintenance in the
various institutions. These sheets are sent out to the officers of the institu-
tions so that they are able to see just how they stand in comparison with the
others.
Mr. McGarry: If you find one is one or two points above the others do
you make inquiries ?
A. — We always make inquiries. Of course, there are always local con-
ditions. Take the smaller institutions, like Coboura:. Thev have a hiffh over-
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head expense for a small number of patients. The same applies to Penetang
and "Woodstock.
Mb. Chairman : The same overhead expense ■would maintain a larger
number of patients ?
A. — Quite so.
Q. — In providing for a thousand patients down there you put in an initial
expenditure for sewage disposal, water-works, heating, light and power for a
much larger population?
A. — Yes, but taking it on a basis of a thousand patients the cost per bed
works out at about $1,325. If w^e put that at fifteen hundred patients, the cost
per bed would work out much lower. As a matter of fact, at the present esti-
mate, of one thousand patients, with this increased first charge, the cost per
bed is lower, having regard to the character of the buildings going up, than
the cost per bed in other countries and if you take it at 1,500 patients the cost
per bed would work out at 87 per cent, of the amount provided by the Xew
York Lunacy Commission, and that covered merely the erection of buildings in
institutions already established and where they would not have the cost of
sewerage and power plants and everything^
Me. Musgrove : How much of the Farm is cultivated ?
A. — All of it. It is a magnificent farm. Part of it was known as the
" Gold Medal Parm of Ontario County."
Mr. p. R. Heakes, called and sworn.
Mr Bowman : Mr. Heakes, you are the architect of the Public Works
Department of the Province ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Have you had full charge of the construction . of Government House
from the time the property was purchased ?
A. — I have, yes.
Q. — Have you had charge of the grounds as well as the retaining wall
work?
A.— Yes.
Q. — ^Everything has been under your direction ?
A. — Yes, everything has been under me.
Q. — As the architect of the Department you also prepared the plans and
specifications of the building?
A. — I did, yes.
Q. — Now, I would like to get the details in starting. As to the grounds,
how many acres are there ?
A. — About fourteen.
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Q. — In your original plans did yon provide for the retaining walls you
have at the present time ?
A. — They were provided for in the first plans, yes.
Q. — What is the purpose of the retaining walls ?
A. — To carry out the landscape gardener's scheme.
Q. — Who was he ?
A. — Mr. Levitt of New York.
Q. — Did he have retaining walls in his original scheme ?
A. — That was his original plan, yes.
Q. — You had it from the inception ?
A. — We had it from the inception, yes.
Q. — Can you give me some idea of the total cost of those retaining walls ?
A. — I have that, as near as I can estimate it from the statements I have
here, it is about $39,000 all told.
Q. — Are they complete ?
A. — They are complete, yes.
Q. — When were the retaining walls commenced ?
A. — About the later part of 1911.
Q. — When did the work of excavation in connection with the foundations
of Government House commence ?
A. — They commenced about the next spring.
Q. — The retaining walls were commenced before ?
A. — They were commenced before, yes.
Q. — You have the plans of Government House there ? What area does
Government House proper cover?
A. — I have the figures, I can get them.
Me. Chaieman : You mean the buildings ?
Me. Bowmax : Yes, the base of the buildings.
Me. Chaiemax : What is the size of the building site ?
A. — We have that, I have got it here.
Me. Bowman : Have you the plan of the basement here, Mr. Heakes ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — I would like to see it (plan produced). This is the plan of the
basement ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — How many compartments are there in that basement. Start at the
front and give me an idea of the various compartments, the size and what they
are intended for ?
A. — The front portion is for storage.
Q. — That is the first room in the basement, what is the size of that room?
A.— 22 feet bv 10 feet.
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Q. — What is that room intended for ?
A. — Just ordinary business. We had to go down to get in ventilating
pipes.
Q. — What is the next room ?
A. — Storage also.
Q. — What is the size ?
A. — 33 bj 20, that is storage also.
Q. — For what use ?
A. — Just for general purposes, like the basement in any other building.
Q. — What is the size of the next room?
A.— That is 25 by 30.
Q. — Room number 3 is 25 by 30. What is that intended for ?
A. — For general purposes.
Q. — What is the size of the next ?
A.— 20 by 33.
Q. — Xow we come to this other one, what is that ?
A. — Same size as the first one, no, I made a mistake, that is 2-1 by 41.
0.— Then the first is also 24 by 41 ?
A. — Yes, the same size.
Q. — Now, that takes the rooms on the left front of the buildings — what
is this, a corridor ?
A. — That is a passage way.
0. — ^What is the length and width of that passage way?
A.— That is about 30 feet.
Q. — What is this room ?
A. — Simply an open space.
Q. — ^You say these are all open spaces ?
A. — They are all open spaces as far as that goes, we weren't putting doors
in them.
Q. — What is the size of this open space in the centre of the building?
A. — Take this one here. It is 27 by 48. That one is 30 by 65, this
one is 58 by 33.
Q. — Xow, you have given us the dimensions of these three compartments ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — What is this place in here, the stainvay?
- A. — That is merely under the stairway, a passage-way.
Q. — What is the size of it ?
A.— That is 19 by 36.
Q, — What is the size of this room, what is it intended for?
A. — Take room three, we will use that for electric apparatus purposes, a
portion of it.
Q. — What is the size of that room?
A.— 32 by I8I/2.
Q. — And in that room you propose to instal a portion of the electric
apparatus ?
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A. — The water service and that sort of thing goes down there.
Q. — What portion of the electrical apparatus goes there ?
A. — A motor generating set. We may not put it in, but it can be used
for that purpose.
Q. — What capacity motor would you require there, to meet the necessities
of Government House ?
A. — I cannot give you that.
Q. — Approximately ?
A. — No, not without looking at the figures.
Q. — You can probably get that?
A. — Yes, but it is hardly likely that we will put that in.
Q. — Well, we would like to get that any way, even if you do not instal it,
and an estimate of what it will cost ?
A. — It will cost about $4,000, that is my recollection, if we put it in. I
do not think we will.
Q. — That brings us to this passage-way ?
A. — That passage-way leads to the lane here.
Q. — Take this room marked number 16, what is the size of that?
A.— It is 32 by 33.
Q.— ^^Tiat is that for ?
A. — Just for storage or anything else.
Q. — Now, we come to the boiler room, what is the size of the boiler room ?
A.— 24 by 48.
Q. — What will be the installation in that boiler house, Mr. Heakes ?
A. — Here are two boilers.
Q. — How many boilers have you in that room?
A. — Two boilers.
Q. — What is the capacity of them ?
A. — 100 horse-power.
Q.— Each?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Can you give us an idea of what will be the cost of the boilers, the
boiler equipment, the complete equipment in that boiler room ?
A. — I can give you the contract, the contract covering heating and every-
thing.
Q. — You haven't got it separate ?
A.— No.
Q. — Can you give me the total cost of the heating contract ?
A.— Yes, $78,000.
Q. — Is that complete?
A. — Yes, the complete heating and ventilating system.
Q. — Now, what is this room adjoining there?
A. — That is the fan room.
Q. — What is the size of that room ?
A.— That is 26 bv 49.
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Q. — What do Tou mean by the fan room ?
A. — The room for the fans.
Q. — Yes, but what is the purpose?
A. — For ventilation. The cold air comes through here.
Q. — How many fans have you installed ?
A. — Two, one for* the air and one for exhaust.
Q. — Can you give me the size of those fans ?
A. — I would have to get the specifications.
Q. — What is this room here?
A. — That is for coal storage.
Q. — What is the size of that room ?
A.— 20 by 34.
Q. — What is the capacity of that, how much can you store in that room ?
A. — About 150 tons.
Q. — Have you formed any estimate of the annual consumption in coal?
A.— ]Sro, I haven't got that yet. I haven't worked that out.
Q. — Xow, we come to this wing here. W^hat portion of the building does
this foundation here represent ?
A. — That is the servants' wing.
Q. — What are these rooms to be used for ?
A. — Take this side here, that is the laundry.
Q. — What size is the laundry ?
A.— 17 by 37.
Q. — What is the next room ?
A, — That is for pantry and cold storage.
Q. — What is the size of the pantry ?
A.— 13 by 17.
Q. — Xow, we come to this small room here, marked 5, what is the size
of that ?
A. — That is a little room for a storage pantry, 6 by 9.
Q. — This one is also for storage ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What is this room ?
A.— That is 19 by* 15.
- Q.— What is that for ?
A. — Cold storage.
Q. — What is the size of the room marked 2 ?
A. — That is the same size.
Q.— What is it for ?
A. — Pantry purposes.
Q. — What is the size of room number 4 ?
A.— 16 by 14.
Q. — What is that intended for ?
A. — Wine cellar.
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0- — What room is nnniber 0 ?
A. — 16 bv 21, that is for the electrical switchboards, for lighting and
operating generally.
Q, — Is there a separate contract for that or is that included in a big
contract ?
A. — There is a general contract.
Q. — Have you any idea of the approximate cost of the switches in this
room ?
A. — I can give you the amount of the contract which includes the switch-
boards and the electric lighting.
Q. — What is the amount of the contract for electric work in Government
House ?
A. — $7,100. That covers the installation of the entire electrical equip-
ment with the exception of a small portion included in the heating.
Q. — ^Xow, we have practically covered all the rooms in the basement,
have we not ?
A.— Yes. '^
0- — In addition to this foundation plan for the main building, have
you a foundation plan for the other buildings?
A. — We have a general plan.
Q. — That is a plan of the grounds ?
A. — A plan of the grounds, yes.
Q. — What other buildings do you show here ?
A. — We have the greenhouses here.
Q. — What will be approximately, the size of the greenhouses ?
A. — I will have to get the other plan for that. I can't tell exactly from
this plan. We made a change there. Then there is the tool house.
Q. — What is the size of that?
A. — It is just a small building, hardly worth noticing. This is the garage
here and the stables.
Q. — What is the size of the garage and the stables ?
A. — I will send and get the other plans.
Q. — Well, probably you had better. We will get at it more fairly that
way. We have the j^lan here now of the first floor. This is the main
entrance ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — This is the porte coclicre, now what area is covered by that?
. A. — It is about 14 by 16.
Q. — That brings us to the landing?
A. — Yes.
Q. — What is the size of the landing ?
A.— 33 by 9.
Q. — We get to the landing by these steps, that brings us to the vestibule,
what is the size of the vestibule ?
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A. — About 10 feet.
Q. — What is the size of this square that includes the vestibule and the
entrance lobby?
A.— 30 by 25.
Q. — This is the main entrance, now on the left there is a sort of closet
and a public lavatory ?
A. — Two lavatories.
Q. — Two lavatories. Xow^, leading off the entrance lobby what have we
here ?
A. — The reception room.
Q. — What size is that reception room ?
A.— 19 by 33.
Q. — What height is the ceiling? -
A.— That wilf be 14 feet.
Q. — And this one leading off the reception room ? • . .
A. — The drawing room.
Q. — And what is the size of the drawing ro(TO ?
A. — 4-0 by 24.
Q. — And leading out of the drawing room we come to a corridor on the right
side. What is the size, the length and width of that corridor ?
A. — I will give you the full length of the corridor, about 100 feet.
Q. — How wide is it ?
A.— 9 feet.
Q. — And the height of the ceiling ?
A. — The same height, 14 feet.
Q. — That brings us over to the left side of the building. When we go
through the corridor what do we strike there ?
A. — That corridor continues to the side entrance.
Q. — What is the next room, here at the end ?
A. — That is a small room, the steward's office.
Q. — What is the size of that room ?
A. — 10 by 16, the next is the Lieutenant-Governor's office.
Q. — What is the size of that room ?
A. — 23 by 24 feet, exclusive of the bay window,
Q. — What is the room adjoining?
A. — The Secretary's office.
Q. — What is the size of that ?
A.— About 13 feet— 13 by 19.
Q. — Off the Secretary's office, what is that?
A. — The waiting room.
Q. — What size is that ?
A.— 19 feet square, 19 by 19.
Q. — We have now disposed of the front of the building, we come to the
centre of this, what is the first prominent thing we come to there ?
A. — The main hall.
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Q. — What is the size of the main hall ?
A.— 29 bv 40.
Q. — What is the height of the ceiling in that main hall?
A. — It goes right to the roof.
Q.— What is the height of it ?
A. — About 40 feet, it takes in three stories.
Q. — Now, that brings us to the main hall, what rooms open off the main
hall ?
A. — This is the state dining room.
Q. — What is the size of the state dining room ?
A.— About 46 by 26.
Q.- — That is on the left side of the main hall ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — What rooms are there on the right side ?
A. — The reading room.
Q. — What is the size of the reading room ?
A.— 23 bv 20.
Q. — AMiat is the next room ?
A. — The living room.
Q. — What is the size of the living room ?
A. — That will be 23 by 36, exclusive of the Bay window.
Q. — What is the size of the Bay window ?
A.— About 13 by 6.
Q. — Now, going through the main hall we come to the main stairway
leading up, where ?
A. — To a landing on the second floor.
Q. — What have you on each side?
A. — A passage about 9 feet wide.
Q. — What area ?
A. — About 9 by 20.
Q. — Will you give me some idea as to the size of the main stairway, the
width of it ?
A.— About 9 feet.
Q. — That leads to the landing that comes up here to the next floor and
then back to the top floor ? That is commencing on the ground floor and run-
ning to the upper floor — now, when we get up to this main landing we are then
one storey above the top of the foundation walls ?
A. — This is one storey now, the ground floor, one storey above the founda-
tion walls.
Q. — Are these foundations in the rear the same level as the foundations
here?
A. — Yes, with the exception of the boiler house, of course.
Q. — Now, when we come to the top of the main stairway what is the first
room we get to on the right ?
A. — We haven't finished the ground floor.
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Q. — Then we will continue with the ground floor, in under the stairway
there is a small passage, what is the size of that ?
A.— Abont 6 by 40.
Q. — And as you come through that passage-way, what room do you have
on the right ?
A. — On the right is the billiard room.
Q. — What is the size of it ?
A.— 53 by 24.
Q. — And the height of the ceiling ?
A.— 14 feet.
Q. — Leading from the billiard room, what room is next?
A. — The ballroom.
Q. — What is the size of the ballroom ?
A.— 40 by 64.
Q. — What is the height of the ceiling in the ballroom?
A.— About 30 feet.
Q. — The ceiling runs right to the top of the building ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — What have we leading off the ballroom ?
A. — That is a small alcove.
Q. — What is its size?
A.— 9 by 32.
Q. — You have given us the size of the ballroom, have you given us the
size of that area ?
A.— That will be about 8 by 18 feet.
Q. — How would you describe that ?
A. — It is similar to a bay window.
Q. — Coming back through the ballroom to the left what is the first room
we strike ?
A. — The private dining room.
Q. — What is the size of it ?
A.— About 18 feet by 24.
Q. — What is the next room adjoining the dining room ?
A. — That is the service pantry.
Q, — What is the size of it ?
A. — IT by 14, adjoining that is the kitchen.
Q. — What is the size of the kitchen ?
A. — The kitchen will be about 20 by 17.
Q. — What room adjoins the kitchen?
A. — The scullery.
Q. — What is the size of the scullery ?
A.— 14 by 16.
Q. — And the next room ?
A. — That is for cold storage.
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Q.— What is that?
A.— 10 bv 16.
Q. — What is the next room ?
A. — Storeroom.
Q. — What size is that?
A.— 10 bv 12.
Q. — And the next room ?
A. — The servants' dining room.
Q.— What is the size of that ?
A.— 131/2 by IS.
Q. — What is the next room adjoining?
A. — The servants' sitting room.
Q.— What size ?
A. — The servants' sitting room is 13^'2 by 18.
Q. — That brings ns into the corridor, what is the size of that corridor ?
A. — That corridor is 6 by 60.
Q. — What are the rooms to the right of that ?
A. — The cook's pantry.
Q.— What is the size of that ?
A.— 14 by l-t.
Q. — And the next room?
A. — That is for china storage, 10 by 14.
Q.— What next ? '
A. — That is a vault, a silver vault.
Q. — What is the area of it? ■
A.— 5 by 10.
Q. — Have you a vault in there?
A. — That is the vault.
Q. — We have now gone, practically, all over the ground floor, now we
come upstairs. What rooms have we in the front of the building, commencing
on the extreme left of the building ?
A. — That is the Lieutenant-Governor's suite.
Q. — What is the size of the Lieutenant-Governor's bedroom?
A.— That is 22 by 18.
Q. — And the bedroom adjoining?
A. — It is a smaller bedroom.
Q. — Take the whole area of that wing, what would it be ?
A.— That would be 23 by 42.
Q. — That includes the bedrooms?
A. — The dressing roojn and bedrooms.
Q. — What is the size of the dressing room?
A.— 13 by 16.
Q. — What room is that?
A. — Another bedroom.
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Q. — What is the size of that ?
A.— 20 by 19.
Q. — What room do you call that, in the centre of the building upstairs?
A. — That will be the library, the sitting room.
Q. — What is the size of that?
A.— 23 by 24.
Q. — What is the room to the right ?
A. — Another bedroom, the same size as the last one. This is a bathroom,
here are two more bedrooms the same as the others.
Q. — The same size as the bedrooms you have described ?
A. — Exactly.
Q. — Now the main corridor. What is the length and width of the main
corridor ?
A. — It would be about 112 by 9 feet wide.
Q. — Xow, as you come along, what leads to that corridor ?
A. — That now forms part of the main hall. On the first floor, we have the
gallery all round.
Q. — The main hall goes right through ?
A. — Yes, we gave a gallery leading right around.
Q. — What have you to the left of the gallery ?
A. — Two bedrooms, two bathrooms.
Q. — What is the total area covered by these two bathrooms and two bed-
rooms ?
A.— 19 by 48.
Q. — That brings us over here.
A. — It is the same on the other side.
Q. — We have a duplication on the other side ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Now, coming to the staircase, what is the area covered by this stair-
case ?
A.— About 20 by 30 feet.
Q. — What have you to the right here ?
A. — Nothing.
Q. — That is the landing, I presume ?
A. — That is taken in, in the landing I gave you.
Q. — What is this here ?
A. — That is the billiard room.
Q. — What is the size of that ? /
A.— 32 by 18. ...
Q. — Now, what have we in here ?
A. — Those are little balconies, overlooking the ballroom.
Q. — What is the area covered by those balconies ?
A.— About 7 by 28.
Q. — Here is another corridor?
A. — That leads to the servants' wing.
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Q. — What size is that ?
A.— 68 by 7.
Q. — What is the first room leading off that corridor?
A. — Those are bedrooms.
Q. — What is the area covered by those two bedrooms ?
A.— 28 by 171/2.
Q. — Xow we •come to the wing, I presume the bedrooms are servants'
rooms, how many in number ?
A. — Ten of them.
Q. — Including these two, that would make twelve? Xow what is the area
covered by those ?
A. — You have the area of those, I have given you that.
Q. — Well, what is the area of these ten bedrooms ?
A.— About 38 by 70.
Q. — Xow we have covered the second storey. That brings us to the third
storey. How is that laid out ?
A. — The same way as below, except there is one more bedroom in the
centre, that bedroom takes the place of the library below.
Q. — How many bedrooms ?
A. — The same number as the one below.
Q. — Can you give us the number ?
A. — Eleven of them.
Q. — Can you give us, approximately, the area covered by the third floor ?
A. — The details of these plans are simply a repetition of those below.
Q. — With the exception of this room, which takes the place of the library
down below.
A.— Yes.
Q. — What means have you provided of getting to these bedrooms on the
third floor ?
A. — We have an elevator, we have the main staircase and have a private
staircase from this end.
Q. — What is the size of that elevator?
A.— 6 by 7.
Q. — You sent away for a lay-out of the buildings for which you had ten-
tative plans, have you that ?
(Plans produced.)
A. — This is the entrance and this is the Lodge.
Q. — The first building will be the Lodge, w^hat is the size of that Lodge?
A. — Merely a small building by comparison, about 30 feet square, 27 or
28 feet by 30.
Q. — There will be how many storeys ?
A. — Two storeys.
Q. — And basement ?
A. — Yes, there had to be provision for a furnace.
Q. — Will there be two or one Lodge building ?
A.— One.
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Q. — You saj these are tentative plans, how many proposed buildings have
70U on these tentative plans ?
A. — The garage and stables would be in one building.
Q. — Can you give us an idea of the size of that ?
A. — I find this is not the right plan.
Q. — Then perhaps you had better get the right plan ; you can furnish that
at the next meeting.
Mk. McGarry: Mr. Heakes, yon were appointed Architect in 1883?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Under the Government of Sir Oliver Mowat?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Have you occupied that position since ?
A. — I was not appointed Architect when I entered the service. I was
appointed Architect in 1896.
Q. — Under a Liberal Government ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — And you prepared these plans yourself ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — And the whole of these buildings are being erected according to plans
prepared by you ?
A. — Yes.
Mr. Munro : "WTien were these plans prepared (
A. — They were commenced in 1910.
(Witness excused.)
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Friday, April 3rd, a.f
10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
April 3, 1913.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. Chairmax: Mr. Turner is here, perhaps others may turn up by the
time we get through with him.
'Slu. BowMAx : Is Mr. Jackson here ?
^\u. CiiATRMAx: We have sent him word.
i\rn. BowMAx: I understand "Mr. Snider will not bo hero.
Mr. Ciiairmax-^: He is not in town.
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Mr. Bowman : 1 do uot think Mr. Turner will take long, perhaps you had
better get Mr. Heakes.
Mk. Elliott : Do jou think we will have Mr. Jackson here this morning ?
. Mr. Chairman : It was Wednesday we sent word and he would only get
it Thursday, and would have to leave last night. No doubt we will hear from
him to-day in some way.
Walter Turner^ called and sworn :
Mr. Bowman : I see, Mr. Turner, in the Public Accounts of 1912-13, an
item, W. Turner, seiwices as valuator
Mr. Chairman : What page is that ?
Mr. Bowman: Page 19, — I presume you are the Mr. Turner referred to?
A.— Yes.
Q. — For services as valuator at $125 a month, in connection with the
Succession Duties branch ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — ^What were your services ?
A. — Valuing property in connection "with estates passing through the Suc-
cession Duty office, valuing real estate.
Q. — I see that in 1913 you only worked for the Department a little over
a month, 33 days.
A.— Yes.
Q. — When did your duties commence in the Succession Duties branch ?
A. — September 24th.
Q.— In 1913?
A.— Yes.
Q. — It was as a valuator of real estate in connection with estates that
come before the Succession Duties Department ? That is correct, is it not ?
A. — That is correct.
Q. — Do all the items of real estate that appear in this way come before
you?
A. — No, not all the items. Mr. McLeod hands over to me the valuations
I have to look after.
Mr. Chairman: You take your instructions from Mr. McLeod?
A. -Yes, I get my instructions from Mr. McLeod.
Me. Bowman: Is your work confined to any particular part of the Pro-
vince or does it cover estates scattered all over ?
A, — ^Wherever Mr. McLeod asks me to look after an estate I do so.
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Q. — You have only been with the Department since last fall. Can you
give.me an idea of how many parcels you valued and reported on?
Mr. McGakky: You are not going into this year are you?
. Mr. Bowman: Well then, take from the time you commenced work with
the Department up to October 31, 1913?
A. — I cannot give any estimate of that.
Q. — Would it be possible for you to find out, to get that'information?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Have you any recollection of the number of parcels, if any, that were
reported on by you to Mr. McLeod, in the City of Toronto, from the time you
entered the service of the Department to the 31st of October, 1913 ?
A. — I can't say; I could to the present time, I have been with them six
months.
Mr. Chairman: You could ascertain that information?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Bowmax : Would there be any objection to him giving us that infor-
mation— regarding the period since the 31st of October?
Mr. Chairman : Not in a general way, no.
A. — In those six months 1 have dealt with about 60 estates.
Q. — Since you entered the service of the Department ?
A. — Fifty or sixty.
Q. — Between fifty or sixty ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Have you any idea how many of them were in the City of Toronto?
A. — iMost of them were in the City of Toronto.
Q. — Can you give me any idea as to the character of the different parcels
of real estate, whether it was central business property, residential business pro-
perty or vacant land ?
A. — Some of it was central, some of it residential, some vacant, some
farms and some subdivisions.
Q. — Your %vork, up to date, has, probably, in the main, consisted in
reporting on Toronto property ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — It has consisted of central business property, residential property,
subdivision property .
Mr. Chairman : All classes, whatever came up.
Mr. Bow^man: All classes of property?
A.— Yes.
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Q. — What was your business before you entered the service of the Depart-
ment?
A. — Until five years ago I was in the retail drug business.
Q.— Where?
A. — In Markdale.
Q. — That is in Grey County ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The home of the Provincial Treasurer ?
A. — Yes. That was up to five years ^go.
Q. — What business did you engage in after you left Markdale and went
out of the retail drug business ?
A. — I was mostly engaged in looking after real estate valuations, mostly
in Toronto.
Q. — W^ere you in the Real Estate business ?
A. — -Xo, but I had done considerable valuating.
Q. — In what capacity?
A. — For outside parties, and myself, in connection with investments.
Q. — What character of property ? '
A. — Different classes of property.
Q. — How many parcels of property did you investigate during that time
for the purposes of investment, for yourself and for those for whom you were
working ?
A. — Since I have been in Toronto ?
Q.— Yes.
A. — I have investigated a good many hundreds.
Q. — Since you have been with the Department you have reported on be-
tween fifty and sixty ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Chairman : Some of them might have a number of parcels ?
A. — The most of them, in fact nearly all of them have a number.
Mr. Bowman : Can you tell me this, whether in these fifty or sixty estates,
were the reports you made to the Department acted on as a basis for adjusting
those estates ?
Mr. McGaery: He wouldn't have anything to do with that. That is for
the Solicitor of the Department to decide.
Mr. Chairman: He doesn't know whether the valuations are accepted or
not. You will have to get the Solicitor.
Mr. Bowman: Would you be in a position to know whether the Depart-
ment has acted upon your reports and valuations in connection with these fifty
or sixty estates ?
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A. — No. Many of them may not be settled up yet. I may put in a valua-
tion and perhaps that estate will not be settled up for a year or six months
afterward.
Q. — I am informed you are a brother-in-law of the Provincial Treasurer ?
A. — I am.
Q. — Can you give me any idea as to the number of estates, of these fifty
or sixty that have been passed on, that have been closed ?
A. — I do not know. Some have been closed.
!Mr. Chairman : We can get Mr. McLeod to tell us that.
Me. Bowman : Perhaps we should get him.
Mr. Chairman : I fancy that if he puts in a valuation that is all he knows
about it.
Hon. Mr. Lucas : There would be very few closed yet.
Me. McGarey: You know James Brandon, a real estate man in town?
You did some valuating in conjunction with him?
A. — Yes, before I was taken into the Department. I did some work with
him for the Government.
Q. — You valuated in conjunction with him the estate of the late Jacob
Singer ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That was an estate of considerable value ?
A. — About a million.
Q. — ^With a large amount of real estate ?
A. — Yes, there were 250 houses in it.
Q. — I will just put in this letter from Mr. Brandon, that is his signature?
A. — Yes. (Letter put in.)
Mr. McGarey : You have been living in Toronto for about four years ?
A. — Between three and four years.
Q. — Before you entered the service of the Succession Duties Department
you had done a considerable amount of valuating for outside interests ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Were you in any other business during that time ?
A.— No.
Q. — You were interested in real estate in every portion of the city, from
the valuator's standpoint?
A.— Yes.
Q. — By the time you received your appointment to the Succession Duties
Department had you already acquired the confidence of the outside real
estate men ?
A. — Yes, I think I had.
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Mr. Sinclair: Was that yuiir only line of business during that three
years ?
A. — Yes, that was my only line of business.
Me. Heakes recalled:
Mr. Bowman : There were certain plans you didn't have the other day in
connection with the outside buildings.
A. — Just a moment (Plans sent for.)
Q. — While the plans are coming — I remember you mentioned Mr. Levitt's
name the other day. What connection has Mr. Levitt with Government House ?
A. — None.
Q. — What connection did he have ?
A. — He prepared the plans and specifications for the grounds.
Me. 'Chaiemajst : The landscape work ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Bowman : You employed him to prepare the plans for the grounds ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — He has completed his plans ?
A.— Yes.
Q.- — Is that the work that is covered by Mr. Levitt's plans, completed ?
A. — All completed under his plans, although some of his work we omitted^
as too expensive.
Q. — Mr. Levitt has nothing more to do with Government House?
A. — No, sir. Mr. Levitt occasionally came here to look over the work.
' Q. — The work of building ?
A. — Yes, a general look over the grounds. He came on occasions as I sent
for him.
Me. Chairman : He came up to see if the work was being carried out as
he had planned it.
A. — In consultation, yes.
Me. Bowman : What was Mr. Levitt's work. I understood you to say he
was a Landscape Architect ?
A. — Architect or Engineer.
Q. You stated a moment ago he had something to do with buildings.
A. — He looked after those roads and bridges and the landscape.
Q. — I understand it now.
A. — This is the plan of the garage bere now. This is the house here. We
have the service drive to the left here.
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Q. — We will start here ; what building is tins ?
A. — That is the greenhouse.
Q. — What is the size and extent of the greenhouse ?
A. — That is not decided on yet.
Q. — Xot determined yet?
A. — No. We will consult the gardener who takes charge.
Q. — I suppose it will be large enough to meet the requirements of the
grounds ; now the next building ?
A. — The tool house and garden house.
Q. — What size is that?
A. — I do not know, it is only a small affair.
O. — And this one?
A. — That is the garage and stables.
Q. — Let me see, have you a plan of the garage and stables ?
A. — That is simply a building in keeping with the house.
Q. — What would be the size of it ?
Hex. Dr. Reaume: That is just prospective and has not been approved.
Mk. Bowman : Yes, Mr. Heakes told us that the other day.
A. — Take the garage, that is 23 by 35 feet.
Q. — That is only a portion of the building?
A.— Yes.
Q.— What is next ?
A.— The stables 32 by 23.
Q. — That adjoins the garage? It is part of the same building?
A. — Yes, part of the same building. The coach house is about 28 by 30
feet.
Q. — So what wnll be the size of the whole building?
A. — We had better put the garage and stables in one, that will be 40
by 25 feet.
Q. — That will be the main building with the coach house as a wing ?
A.— Yes, that is 40 by 33 feet.
Q. — What style of construction have you in view, what material will you
use?
A. — I propose to erect that building out of tile, finished with stucco
outside.
A. — Yes, one storey and a loft above.
Q. — It will cost, approximately, what?
A. — Not more than about $10,000.
Q. — ^What is the next building?
A. — Cottages for the gardener and coachman. These are simple little
cottages set up at the north end of the lot.
Q. What is the size of them ?
A. — About thirty feet square.
George V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 109
Q.— Each ?
A. — That is a double cottage, 30 by 60. It is cheaper to build them
that way.
Q. — -What other buildings are there ?
A. — Those are the only buildings.
Q. — That makes how many buildings, independent of Government House,
including the stables and garage ?
A. — The stable and garage are one building, we can call them two build-
ings— the lodge would be three — the tool house, you can't call that a building.
Q. — There will be three residences, practically?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In addition to the greenhouses, the garage and stables . You
told me Mr. Levitt was engaged as landscape architect and engineer to lay out
the grounds. I understood his work, as far as any services were concerned, was
practically completed. I assume he submitted plans in connection with his
work ?
A. — Yes. detailed drawings.
Mr. McGarry: He looked after the retaining wall?
A.— Yes.
Q. — He inspected the progress of the work ?
A. — Yes, he had the inspection of the retaining wall right through.
Mr. Bowman: I would like, to complete this inspection of the plans, to
get an idea of the general lay-out of the grounds — they consist of about fourteen
acres ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Did Mr. Levitt have in view the building of these retaining walls
right from the start, in his original plan ?
A. — Yes, I can show you them.
Q. — When the work was commenced, were his ideas adopted, right from
the start, in connection with the retaining wall ?
A. — We made some slight changes before the drawings were completed.
Q. — Were experiments made to see if it w^ere possible to do the work
without that retaining wall ?
A. — Yes, I tried that on the east w^all, but I couldn't keep the earth back.
Q. — Have you any idea of the cost of that work, before the retaining walls
were started, to see if it were possible to dispense with them ?
A. — I do not think I would even care to guess at that.
Q.— Would it be $6,000 ?
A. — I cannot say. We were simply shoving the earth over; we couldn't
hold it there. I wanted to do aw-ay with that eastern wall if I could.
Q. — It might possibly have cost $6,000 ?
A. — I can't say it w^ould. I don't think so.
Q. — Do you say it didn't ?
A. — I don't think so.
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Q. — Hlave all the contracts been let for the completion of Government
House ?
A.— X'ot yet.
Q. — What contracts have yet to be let?
A. — Interior decoration, finishing.
Q. — Has anything been done as yet toward working out a general scheme
in connection with furnishing the rooms of Government House ?
A. — That is under consideration.
Q. — But there is nothing definite ?
A. — As far as furniture is concerned, no. Not as far as I know.
Q. — Has there been any estimate as to what that should cost ?
A. — Not yet. (Plans produced.)
Mk. Heakes : These are only a part of the general plans.
Mr. Bowman : These are simply in connection with the retaining walls ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What I intended you to get is a plan of the fourteen acres giving an
idea of the general lay-out. Have you a contour plan worked on by Levitt so
we could form some idea of the general lay-out ?
A. — That plan was laid out by our own men here, our surveyors. We can
show you a plan showing the contours and can give you a general description
of the grounds.
Q. — Then if you will give us the general lay-out of the grounds.
A. — Here is a general lay-out of the grounds. There is the general lay-
out there.
Q. — Take the matter of roadways — have you any idea of what the extent
of the roads will be through the Government House grounds ?
A. — You come through here and this is a small court. A cement bridge
crosses here and that leads right up to the 'porte cochere. There is a side drive
out here to Douglas Drive. We may have a back drive here and bring in our
coal and supplies, and continue along here to the garage and out here to the
street, to Douglas Drive again.
Q. — Any other roads ?
A. — All the others are paths. This is a lower plateau down here.
Q. — That is on a lower level ?
A. — Yes, that is down in the valley. It has been proposed to put in a
miniature lake and tennis grounds there, at some future day. They do not
propose to do it at the present time.
Hon. Dr. Reaume: But ii: is an ideal palce for that.
Mr. Bowman: Can you give me any idea as to the distance between the
eastern boundary of the Government House grounds and the westerly boundary
of the Don Valley brickyard property?
A. — It is not on that plan.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. Ill
Q. — Cau you get that for us ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Then I wish you would get that, you can make a note of it. I think
that will be all.
Mr. Todd^ Provincial Farm Director, called and sworn :
Mr. Bowman: Mr. Todd, you have charge of the farm operations at
Whitby ?
A. — Yes. That is one of the places I have charge of.
Q. — What was the extent of farm operations at Whitby last year?
A. — In what way?
Q. — The number of acres cultivated ?
A. — I cannot give you that otf-hand.
Q. — Well, approximately '(
A. — We had 640 acres in the farm, about 110 of that was used last year
in building operations, cut up with general building operations, There were
about 150 acres in crop.
Q. — What was the character of the crop ?
A. — Hay, grain, roots, corn, garden truck.
Q. — What disposition was made of the products of the farm last year ?
A. — They were fed almost altogether to the institutions. A considerable
quantity of feed was turned into milk. Part of the milk was shipped to Toronto
and part of it consumed at the institution. The garden truck was partly con-
sumed at the institution and partly shipped to the Queen street Hospital for the
Insane. That is where the milk went to.
Q. — ^Was the entire product of the farm, either in the shape of crop or
milk, disposed of there by being consumed in connection with the operations
of the farm, or shipped to the other Government institutions ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Nothing outside of that?
A.— No.
Q. — Nothing sold off the farm ?
A. — Sometimes a calf would be sold for veal.
Q. — With the exception of that, you are quite satisfied that everything
else that went off the farm, or was shipped from the farm, was shipped to the
other Government institutions. You are quite satisfied of that?
A. — As far as T can recall at the present time, yes.
Q. — Your recollection is quite clear on that point ?
A. — I would not say it was until I went back and looked into my accounts.
Q. — Perhaps you had better investigate that more fully, Mr. Todd, and
it j»robably may not be necessary for you to report again. If it is we can let
]\[r. Armstrong know. You can probably look that up and get the information
and submit it to me.
(Witness excused.)
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Mr. C. H. Sproule^ called and sworn :
Mr. Bowman : Mr. Sproule, you are Assistant Provincial Treasurer ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — I want to get some information in regard to the sale of securities
in connection with the development of Xorthern Ontario. Under what statute
are those securities issued ?
A. — That is a point I would have to look up. I just had a notice in
regard to —
Q. — I see that in 1912 there were sold 300,000 pounds sterling 4 per
cent, inscribed stock under 2 George V, Chapter 2. Is that the Act that em-
powers the Government to sell $5,000,000 of bonds ?
A.— Yes.
Q.— In 1912, £300,000 sold realized $1,459,999 ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — This amount was realized for securities sold in 1912 in connection
with the $5,000,000 imder 2 George V, Chapter 2.
A. — Under the terms of that Act this money was borrowed.
Q. — Can you t^ll what the terms of that were ?
A. — Xo. That is somewhat out of my province. It has always been
the practice for the Treasurer to deal directly so far as negotiations in con-
nection with —
Q. — I do not wish to refer to the matter of negotiations at all. That isn't
my point. The point I want to make is this. In 1912 you raised $1,459,000.
Xow, coming to 1913 — can you tell me wha* balance you had at the first
of Xovember in connection with the item of £300,000 of securities sold in
1912 under 2 George V, Chapter 2 ?
A. — I couldn't, right offhand. I did not prepare this statement at all.
It is prepared in the Treasury Department.
Mr. McGarry: That money received from England is deposited to the
general consolidated revenue fund ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And would be deposited in the bank to the credit of the Govern-
ment?
A. — Certainly.
Q. — It is not kept separate at all ?
A.— Xo.
Mr. Bowman: In the Public Accounts of 1911-12 the total amount ex-
pended was $230,000. Assuming that 2 George V, Chapter 2 empowers the
Government to expend $5,000,000 in connection with the development of
Xorthern Ontario, would I be right in assuming that if the proceeds, that
$1,459,000, had been specially earmarked, the balance of that would be the
George V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 113
full amount, less what was expended by Mr. Whitson to the amount of
$236,000 ?
A. — I cannot swear to anything of that sort. I would be very glad to
furnish you with anything in the shape of a statement covering anything asked
for. But as to swearing to any points of that sort I simply cannot do it at all.
I could sit down and talk matters over if I had the vouchers and papers before
me. That is the only way to get at it.
Q. — I don't want to place you in an unfair position. I quite appreciate
the fact that probably we would have gained time if I had intimated to you
what I wanted. I overlooked that. Probably we can make better headway
if we g,ei that information.
A. — Explain to me what you want and we will have it in shape for you.
Anything the Committee calls for. We will do it the best way we can.
Q. — I would like to get from you, Mr. Sproule, a statement of the
amount of securities sold in connection with 2 George V, Chapter 2, which, as
I understand it, provides for the raising of five millions for the purpose of
developing !N^orthern Ontario, which work has been placed in Mr. Whitson's
charge. And I would like, Mr. Sproule, if you could give me a statement as
to the balance that was on hand, as on the 1st of I^ovember, 1912, in connec-
tion with the sale of £300,000 securities.
Mr, Chairman : You can look that up, Mr. Sproule.
Mr. Bowman: In addition, on the 13th of February there was a further
amount of £20,547 of bonds sold in connection with that same statute, which
realized $100,000. I would like to know from you what the balance was as
of that date?
A. — I will get that down as question two, these things require a little
careful looking into, referring to vouchers, etc.
Q. — I see that on October 31 there was a further sale from which the
Province realized $1,637,173.
Mr. Chairman : Wouldn't it expedite matters if you prepared a state-
ment and let me see it?
Mr. Bowman : Yes, I will prepare a memorandum and submit it to the
Chairman, and we will submit that to Mr. Sproule. That will save time.
A. — Yes. I did not know which line you wished to follow, so I am
not ready for it.
Mr. Bowman : If I had attended to that the other day no doubt it would
have facilitated matters considerably.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Thursday, April 9th,
at 10.30 a.m.
114 APPENDIX Xo. 1. ' 1914
Public Accounts Committee,
April 9, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
]Me. Chatrmajs': To be^in' with, I have a letter here from Jackson and
Tindle. It says: "Mr. Jackson left here Wednesday night, March 31, and
T flo not exj^eot him back until sometime next week, therefore it is impossible
for him to comply with your request. The letter will be referred to him on
his return.'' We cannot tinH any reply. I suppose he won't be available
until after the holiday .... There is also a letter from Mr. Sproule, the
Assistant Treasurer in which he sa.ys that, owing to the pressure of Depart-
mental work at Easter time, the information asked for is not in shape and
that therefore, with our approval he will not appear before the Committee
at its next meeting . . . That refers to the memorandum you referred to
me and which I sent down.
Mr. BowMAisr: Is Mr. Heakes here. I want to ask him about some-
thing he was not able to give off-hanrl when I last asked him — the distance
between the easterly boundary of Government House property and the wes-
terly limits of the Don Valley brick yard. He said he would try to get that.
Mr. Chairimais' : That was the last day. You haven't asked him that
this morning?
Mr. Bowman : Yes, that was at the last meeting.
Mr. Heakes : 239 feet, 7 inches.
^Ir. Bowmax : Then, Mr. Heakes, if it were the case, that the property
right adjoining Government House, or within 239 feet 7 inches is suitable
material for making the same quality of bricks as they are making there —
in the event of that l">eing true, if they used this material, there is a possi-
bility that, in the future, the future works of the Don Valley brick company
would come within 239 feet 7 inches of the Government House property ?
A. — I cannot say as to that. I would have to examine the ground.
Mr. Johxsox : Do you mean, Mr. I'owinan, that they would move their
plant down nearer Government House building?
IMr. Bowmax: I am not saying that.
Mr. Johnson: Well, I am just asking for information.
■\rR. Bowman: That is all, Mr. Heakes, I just wanted to establish the
distance between the two properties. ^Miat you say is that the T^oii Valley
land comes to within 250 feet of Government House property.
Mr. Johnson : That is not their works ?
^W. Heakes: Ko, their works are a very considerable distance.
Mr. Johnson: Erom Government House?
A.— Yes.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 115
Mr. McGAiuiY : Since that questiou has been brought up, what is your
opinion respectino- Government House site ? Your opinion as to the site
generally, its snitability?
A. — I think it is one of the most beautiful sites on the Continent, one of
tJie most beautifuh
0- — You are an architect of a considerable number of years experience?
A. — Yes. T would not say the Continent, I would say one of the most
beautiful in the Dominion.
Q. — You were appointed by the former Government, a Liberal Govern-
ment ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — And your opinion was followed by the Liberal Government in num-
erous instances?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And in your opinion that was the best site available, in Toronto, at
any rate.
A. — It is a magnificent site.
Mr. Johnsox : Every man will say that who is not prejudiced.
Mr. McGarry : The last day here, Mr. Heakes, you spoke of the boilers
with which you heat Government House. Do those heat the outside buildings,
too?
A. — Yes. There are two boilers there, duplicate boilers. One boiler
will heat the whole place, the yOther is there in case of accident, as a precau-
tion.
Q. — With reference to the landscape work, I understand a special land-
scape architect was employed ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Have you laid out the grounds with his design?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The retaining wall is indispensable?
A. — Yes, sir.
Mr. Johnson : You had the advantage of knowing that the land drop-
ping into the ravine there would prevent the possibility of anything disagree-
able encroaching from any quarter ? You had that advantage.
A. — I had, yes.
Q. — That is the way it struck me. The land is a little higher to the
west than where Government House stands ?
K. — A little higher.
Q. — Enough to give you an opportunity for displaying trees and shrubs,
for landscape gardening?
Q. — Has any smoke ever reached the building?
A. — l^ever, so far.
Q. — iSTo smut settled on the stonework?
A. — !N"o sir, you can see from the building to-day that it isn't so. (Wit-
ness excused).
8— J. A.
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Mr. Aubrey White, recalled.
Mk. Cpiairman : Here are some papers Mr. White was asked to produce.
Mr. Bowman: I would also like to ask Mr. White a few questions.
Mr. Chairman : I haven't your memorandum here. Mr. Bowman, since
the last meeting, gave me a memorandum asking for the production of some
papers and asked me if I would have Mr. White produce them and I took it
upon myself to do so.
Mr. Bowman: Mr. White, what is the custom of the Department in
connection with the sale of timber. Does the Department invariably, in every
case when calling for tenders, accept the highest tender ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Have there been any cases, when the amount of the highest tender
was not satisfactory to the Department, that the tender was not accepted ?
A. — I do not charge my mind with any at the present time. I think
such a thing might have occurred.
Q. — It may be possible, there have been instances?
Mr. McGarry: That is, within the past year. Confine yourself to the
Accounts you are dealing with. We do not want the history of the Depart-
ment since Confederation gone into now.
Mr. Hartt : What item are we discussing ?
Mr. Bowman: Under the heading of Crown Lands, page 822, receipts
from Crown Lands, Woods and Forests, bonus and timber dues.
Mr. Hartt: You brought him here under another item. We were not
discussing that.
Mr. Bowman : He was brought here in connection with the sale of two
to^vnships. The accounts also show a sale on October 30, 1913, and I would
just like to ask Mr. AMiite regarding the practice, as to whether in every
case they accepted the highest tender or, whether in the event of the highest
tender not being up to the ideas of value according to the judgment of the
Department, in some cases they refused to accept any tender.
Mr. Chairman : He has answered that ; that he cannot charge his mind
with any.
Mr. White: I cannot charge my mind with any particular case.
]\[r. Galna: You mean in the event of the offer not being what the
Department considers high enough.
Mr. Bowman : There may have been some such case. You are not ready
to say whether there was or not. You do not charge your mind whether
there was or not ?
A. — I cannot say.
Q, — What has been the method of late years in connection with the selling
of timber lands. Has it been the custom, in addition to the ordinary dues
per thousand, to call for a bonus ?
A. — Sometimes, yes.
George V. APPEXDTX Xo. 1. 117
Q. — What has been the custom of late years in connection with that
bonus. Has it been a lump sum bonus or a bonus with a lump sum addi-
tional ?
A. — Since when, Mr. Bowman ?
Q. — Say the last six years ?
A. — Either it has been paid as a bonus or so much per thousand in addi-
tion to dues. That is a matter for each sale. There is no law about it.
Q. — But, in the majority of cases, the bonus asked for has been asked
for at so much per thousand feet ?
A. — As a rule that has been so. That is a matter of regulation for each
sale. It] isn't fixed.
Q, — Precisely ; that brings us down to the matter I want to ask about, in
connection with the townships Thistle and McWilliams. I understand that
tenders were called for in 1913 for four berths in the township of Thistle and
four berths in the town>hip of ^leWilliams, and that they w^ere sold by tender
on the 30th of October, 1913. That is correct?
A. — Yes.
Q. — I see by the return brought down in the House that these eight berths
were sold to three companies ?
Mr. McGarry: Was any payment made on the 30th of October?
A. — On that day there was some payment made, yes.
Mr. Bowman : I see by the return that these eight berths were sold to
George Gordon and Company, the Georgian Bay Lumber Company and the
Hettler Company. That is correct?
A. — Yes. They were the highest bidders.
Q. — In this case, instead of following the usual practice of the Depart-
ment during the last six years, instead of calling for a bonus of so much per
thousand feet, in this case there was a lump sum bonus ?
A. — That is true.
Q. — Can you tell me the reason for adopting that course in this case?
A. — I suppose the Government determines its own policy. I have nothing
to do with that.
Q. — Totalling up the bonus for the eight berths I find my figure is
$147,500. Is that correct for the eight berths? That makes Thistle $68,250,
and McWilliams $79,250. That is'a total of $117,500?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In addition to that there were the usual ground dues of $5 per
thousand feet board measure and $100 per thousand cubic feet of board
timber. That is correct?
A.— Yes.
Q. — I would like to know what estimates the Department had, showing
the quantity of timber on these two townships ?
A. — There are two resolutions against producing those estimates. I can-
not produce them without instructions.
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Mr. Chairman: What is that?
Mr. Bowman : I asked ]\Ir. White to ^ive the quantities of pine timber
shown by the cruisers' estimates in connection with these two townships.
Mr. White: And my reply was that I cannot produce them without
the instruction of my JMinister, as there are two resolutions in the House
against it.
Mr. Bowman : I can furnish Mr. ^^^lite with two estimates made by
competent parties at the time these berths were for sale. One showed 139,-
000,000 feet of timber on these two townships and the other shows 141,-
000,000 feet. Also there is board pine on these limits to the extent of 8,-
500,000 feet, or what will make that amount of board pine. Do you say
these are extravagant estimates or not, Mr. TMiite ?
A. — I know nothing about it.
Mr. McGarry : Who is your man ? Better give his name and get it on
the record. Surely you want to back it up with something.
Q. — Assuming that that estimate is correct — the bonus is $147,500 — if
that is correct the bonus would be a little over one dollar a thousand ?
A. — I haven't figured it out.
Q.— It would be 141,000,000 feet as to $147,000.
Mr. McGarry : This is entirely irregular. You are trying to get an
argument of that "kind on the record and bring Mr. White into it. He is not
supposed to figure out how much that will amount to.
Mr. Bowman: I am putting in a motion that the House be instructed
to authorize this Committee
Mr. Chairman : Hadn't you better move that in the House ?
Mr. Proudfoot: Move it here first.
Mr. Bowman: Yes, we will move it here first. But, first Mr. White, can
you tell me now as to the situation as between the to\vnships of Dana and
McWilliams. Do they lie closely together?
A. — I think they do.
Q. — They are both on the Sturgeon Eiver ?
A. — Yes. The logs from both are watered on the Sturgeon Kiver.
Q. — Dana and McWilliams are practically adjoining each other and are
both on the Sturgeon River ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — I see that in the month of August, 1913, there was some timber sold
in the township of Dana, and sold to George Gordon and Co. who paid $10.25
per thousand, board measure, for logs in addition to $2 dues, and $350 per
thousand cubic feet, board timber in addition to $50 dues. In McWilliams
the dues for board timber were only $100 a thousand. Can you give any
explanation for the difference.
A. — Did I understand you to say the dues in the township of Dana were
$350 ppr thousand ?
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 119
Q. — According to this. This is an extract taken from a return; dues
$350 per thousand cubic feet for timber.
A. — That is not dues. That is in addition to $50 dues. $350 is to
be paid.
Q. — Oh, well I am mixed up there. In the townships of Thistle and
McWilliams the dues are $100 then ?
A. — Yes, instead of $50.
Mr. Chairman: You doubled the dues in Thistle and McWilliams.
Mr. Bowman : Do you say the timber in McWilliams is just as valuable
as in the township of Dana.
A.— No.
Q. — What reason have you for saying that ?
A. — It is not as good timber, according to our information.
Mr. McGarry: WTiat proceedure did you take with reference to the
sale of timber in Thistle and McWilliams?
A. — They were advertised, the conditions are here, I think.
Mr. McGarry : Have you a copy of the advertisement ?
A. — I thought I had one.
Mr. Bowman : Have you those tenders here ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Mr. McGarry : You advertised in the regular way ?
A. — Yes, for months.
Q. — Specifying the terms on which they were required to tender ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What information have you of the timber in these two townships ?
A. — As far as our information goes, some sixty per cent, is said to be
— in McWilliams it is said to be very punky and also in Thistle.
Q. — And you say you sold to the highest tenderer ?
A. — In each case to the highest tenderer.
Q. — And all the terms were adhered to?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And they paid the amount of money required ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Who were the rangers who went over the ground ?
A. — Men named Huxton and Welsh.
Q. — Belonging to where ?
A. — Belonging to the Woods and Forests Branch, Welsh is from Sud-
bury and Huxton from Sault Ste. Marie.
Q. — Thev are both men of considerable experience ^
A.— Yes!
, Mr. Johnson: I suppose the tenders came close to what the Government
expected to get.
A. — T do not think we put on any particular estimate.
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Mr, McGarry : In each case the Grovernment accepted the highest tender ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Do you know anything as to the result of cutting timber there ?
A. — The timber is turning out faulty, as we expected, as our rangers
stated.
Q. — In this case the timber is not turning out according to the expecta-
tion of the purchaser.
A. — What has been said to me is this. Mr. Hepburn said, it is turning
out just as we exi>ected when we examined it. It is faulty.
Q. — According to your reports did you get a fair price for that timber ?
A. — Yes, I think so. You must bear in mind that the ground rent is $10,
that is double the ordinary ground rent.
Mr. CiiAiRMAi«r: And. the dues are $5 instead of $2.
Mr. Bowman: You take $3 of whatever you would have got as bonus
And put that additional on the dues.
Mr. McGarry: They pay $10 a mile?
A. — Yes.
Q.— And $5 dues?
A.— Yes.
Q. — ^Yhere the ordinary purchaser would pay $2 dues and $5 a mile?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Everything was doubled up ?
A.— Yes. '
Q. — And you received the $147,500 bonus.
A.— Yes. '
Q. — And what responsibility does the purchaser take with reference to
fire ranging?
A. — He takesi all the responsibility, subject to supervision.
Q. — Is there any more timber belonging to the Government in that sec-
tion ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — How many townships ?
A. — Probably eight or ten townships, scattered along the north shore of
Lake Nipissing.
Q. — Are they required to cut within a certain time ?
A.— Yes.
Q.— Within what time ?
A. — I cannot say from memory. I have produced the conditions there.
Mr, Chairman : Isn't there a greater risk of fire in over-ripe timber than
in green ? Isn't the risk greater ?
A. — I suppose there is no greater risk in over-ripe timber. If the fire
^ot a hold there would be more danger.
Mb. Ckaibman : That is what I mean. If the fire got a hold there would
be more danger of destruction. The risk of carrying it is greater with mature
timber.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 121
Mr. BowArAN : I have this motion hero.
Mk. Cttatrman : It strikes me that motion is out of order. It would he
irregular for this Committee to pass a motion of that kind.
Mb. Bowalan : Then I will make it read that the House be requested
to direct the Deputy Minister to produce the estimates in the Department
showino; the qnantitv of timber in the townships of Thistle and McWilliams.
Mi{. Hartt : This Committee cannot instruct the House to
Mr. Bowman : We ask that the House be requested, to.
Mr. Cttatkman : It seems to me that the proper proceedure is for the
matter to be broug,ht up in the House on the initiative of the member who
wants the information.
Mr. Bowman : All right. Tvule whatever way you want to.
Mr. Chairman : That is my view. It is a question of policy and should
be pursued by a discussion ini the House and not by this Committee. I rule
that the motion is out of order and not a proper one. You can get the same
information in the House.
Mr.. Proudfoot: The House will grant it as a matter of course if the
Committee asks for it.
Mr. Chairman : The House has declared twice that this is a matter of
policy. Therefore the House must deal with that. Any member who desires
proper information can get it, but the House, the Floor of the House, is the
proper place to make such a request. That is the \aew I have unless the
Committee thinks otherwise.
Mr. Bowman : I prefer to take the expression of the Committee on that.
Mr. Chairman : We would be in a different position if the House had
not pronounced on this matter. The House has already pronounced on it
and the Committee are aware of that. It seems to me it is not within our
province to take a step of this kind.
j\Ir. Bowman : If you intend to rule it out of order we had better take
a vote.
Mr. Chairman : That is my view. It doesn't interfere in any way with
the information being secured.
Mr. Johnson: It is understood the remedy is in the House, so that we
are not shutting you out in any sense.
Mr. Bowman : Oh, no, no.
Mr. Chairman : It is simply a matter of procedure.
Mr. Bowman appealed from the ruling of the Chair apd the Chair was
sustained bv 8 to 5.
Mr. Bowman : I have another memoranda for Mr. Sproule. Is it neces-
sary for me tq make a formal motion or just submit this. This is informa-
tion I want for next meeting.
Mr. Chairman : I suppose it is not necessary.
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]\Ie. McGakry : What is asked for ?
Mr. Chairman: The amount of Public niul Separate Rural Sehool Grants
for the fiscal year 1912-13, showing the basis of the grant, the percentage of
reduction in the grant in the case of both public and separate schools, as
compared with the year 1911-12. The motion is all right except the latter
clause "as compared with the year 1911-12."
That will involve going back into the accounts of 1911-12. That is
another matter I suppose you can get through another channel. I suggest
that you strike out the latter clause and then we will let the motion go.
Mr. Bow^man : All right.
(Witness excused.)
W. K. Snider called and sworn.
Mr. Chairman : Here are some accounts asked for during the year
1913. They have been produced here.
Mr. Proudfoot: What position do 3^ou occupy in connection with the
License Department, Mr. Snider ?
A. — Inspector of Hotel buildings and equipment, upkeep.
Q. — When were you appointed for that position ?
A. — Just from memory, I think it was in 1909.
Q. — And you have occupied that position ever since ?
A.— Yes. ^
Q. — Prior to your receiving that appointment what business were you
in ?
^[r. Chairman : We are not concerned with that.
]\rR. !McGarry : This man is not on trial. You have no right to go over
his whole life.
Mr. Proudfoot : It is quite a proper question.
Mr. McGarry: Not at all. You are dealing with the accounts.
Mr. Proudfoot : T am dealing with items in the Accounts.
Mr. Chairman : Then let us confine ourselves to them.
Mr. Hartt : I understood Mr. Proudfoot was examining the witness as
Inspector of Hotels. I do not see that ho has" any right to go into former
years, or his private business.
Mr. Proudfoot: I was simply asking a question as to what capacity he
was emploved in ])rcvions to that time. It has a direct bearing on his position
as inspector.
Mr. Chairman: What bearing?
^Mk. Proudfoot: I am not going to argue the question I am asking it
and I think I have a right to an answer.
Mr. Chairman : I do not think so. We must confine ourselves to the
Accounts before the Committee. What is the good of going ])nck info rhc
historical actions of this man's life.
George V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 123
]\rR. Proi'dfoot: For the roasoii I have stated, that it has a bearing
on his position.
Mr. McGarry : First prove your premises.
Mr. Proiidfoot: I think I have proved them.
Mr. ]\rcGARRv : I do not see that it has any bearing.
^[r. Chairman : Yon asked to have prodnced certain Acconnts. We
have to deal with the Public Accounts of 191. 3. Yon are at liberty now to
examine ]\Ir. Snider with reference to them.
Mr. Proudfoot : I do not think a (lucsfion of that kind should be ruled
out. Do yon rule the question out ^
AFr. Chairman: We have to. 1 can't see that it has any bearing on
this investigation at all.
]VrR. Proudfoot: That is where yon and T diflPer.
AFr. Chairman: That is not unusual.
Mr. Johnson : We know who he is now. We don't care what he was
before.
Mr. Proudfoot: You see I do. That is the difference between us.
]\rR. Johnson: I do not know anything about his previous history.
Mr. Bowman : His history is good.
]\rR. Proudfoot : T understand that question is not to be answered. Is
that the effect of your ruling?
Mr. Chairman : You have a keen perception.
Mr. Proudfoot: (To witness), As inspector, what are your duties?
A. — T^ooking after upkeep, remodelling, tearing down, building up. mod-
ernizing.
Q.— That is, hotels ?
A. — Yes, licensed hotels throughout the Province, visiting them con-
tinually, endeavoring to keej) them in lietter condition, looking after changes,
trying to get better men in, and assisting local boards. There is considerable
variety to it.
Q. — And you examine hotels to see that they are properly safeguarded
as far as fire protection is concerned?
A. — Yes, fire protection and sanitation.
Q. — Did you examine the Woodbine Hotel in the city ?
A. — N'o, sir.
Q.— Why ?
A. — ]\rv duties are too extensive, and they have three ins]iectors in
the city.
Q. — Do T understand from that that you do not inspect in the city?
A. — To a limited extent only.
Q. — Then your territory does cover the city?
A. — Yes, it covers the whole Province. We work incessantly doing the
best we can.
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— Did this office exist prior to the time you were appointed?
— I cannot answer that question.
— At any rate you are the only inspector at the present time who
all over the Province?
— Oh, no.
— That is, as inspector of buildings in the class you mention?
— ^Yes, that is right.
-Were you requested to make any examination of the Woodbine
— Xo, sir.
— So that you cannot give any information about that hotel ?
— T have been there but not to inspect it.
— Xot as inspector ?
— I was there one night with the local inspector. We looked through.
— That was prior to the fire ?
—Yes.
— You would not call that the regular ordinary inspection you would
make if you went to a hotel to make an inspection of it ?
A.— X^o.
Mr. Chairman: It wasn't an official inspection I suppose.
Me. Proudfoot : I understood him to say that he was there with an-
other inspector and I presume that would be official, it was official as far as it
went ?
A. — It is always official. I am never out of commission.
Q. — Who was the inspector with you ?
A. — Mr. Dan ]\IoHenry.
Q. — Is he one of the three inspectors you spoke of in the city ?
A.~X"o.
Q. — I thought from what you said that one of the city inspectors was
with you ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Have you any other duties to perform than those of inspector?
A. — ^^Vell, yes; the local boards apply for my assistance a good deal,
for instance where they pass by-laws to reduce the number of licenses. I do
a great deal of that.
Q. — ^Thati is, to give them advice ?
A. — Yes; to assist them.
0. — Who do you get your instructions from when you are going out to
assist in that way.
A. — Well, the application generally comes in to Mr. Saunders. He
throws it down to me and I go out as soon as I can.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 125
Mr. Johnson : Have you any authority to compel suggestions you make
lo he oarrierl out '^
A. — Yes; under sections 75 and 127 of the Act.
Q.— What -is that ?
A. — We make a written order, a detailed statement of what improve-
ments we wjint and say that if satisfactory headway is not made with those
improvements at the expiration of thirty days we will ask to have the license
cancelled by Order-in-Council. I may say we never invoke that. Most hotel-
keepers when we hrinc; it to their attention that they have to comply with the
regulations try to fix up. Sometimes they spend a great deal of money improv-
ing their hotels. Sometimes $30,000 in a single case.
Mr. Proudfoot: You make a specialty of seeing that they provide fire
protection ?
A. — As far as I can, yes. It is a very difficult proposition, fire protection,
for various reasons that won't interest you.
Q. — Your salary is $1,700 a year with expenses?
A.— Yes.
Q. — These accounts I have here are signed W. K. Snider. Those are for
expenses you incurred.
A. — Yes, we put in expense sheets.
Q. — These were made up by you apparently?
A. — Yes; I make them up all the time, you will find dozens of them.
Q. — Did you visit the Manitoulin District ?
Mr. McGarry: Ask him for the year 1913 to the 31st of October.
i\[R. Proudfoot: Did you visit Manitoulin District between the 31st
of October, 1912, and the 31st October, 1913?
A. — JSTo, sir.
Mr. Proudfoot : Is that definite enough ?
Mr. McGarry: That is better. Yes.
A. — ^No; I wasn't on the Island.
Q. — Did you take any part, at that time, in any election that was going
on?
A. — In Manitoulin ?
Q.— Yes ?
A.— No.
Q. — Did you correspond with anv parties there?
A.— No. '
Q. — Were you in Clinton within the dates I have mentioned?
A. — I imagine I have been in Clinton very often.
Q. — For what purpose?
A. — The local inspector lives there. I do not know what time you refer
to, but I endeavour to get over the Province as frequently as possible.
Mr. Johnson : Have those accounts been paid Mr. Proudfoot ?
Mr. Proudfoot : I presume so. I suppose they are paid ?
Witness: Oh, yes.
126 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Mk. Joiixso^': And all the accounts have passed through the hands of
.Mr. Clancy and the Audit office?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Joux'so.n: Then that is the tightest thing I know of, the smallest
mesh 1 know of.
]\Jk. Proudfoot: Were you in the County of Huron within the dates
mentioned, in connection with a vote going to be taken relating to what is
known as the Scott Act?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Xot between those dates ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — You knew a vote was going to be taken ?
A. — I was told that perhaps they were going to have a vote last fall.
It was rumored. Then I heard it was declared off. It was none of my affair.
Q. — In going out from the Department who do you get your instructions
from ?
Mr. Chairman : He has sworn to that already.
Witness: We don't get any instructions. We know our duties and
work away at it. The ai)]ilications come into Mr. Saunders as a rule. Some
are addressed to the ^linister but they are always sent to Mr. Saunders. We
go to him exclusively.
Q. — Do you get what instructions you do receive from Mr. Saunders ?
A.— Yes.'
Q. — Xot from the head of the Department^
Mr. McGarry : Confine yourself to that year.
A. — Our work has a wide scope. I cannot state that oft"-hand, I am sure.
At this point ^fr. Proudfoot asked certain questions with reference to
the fiscal year 11»1-"M-I nml (il)jeetion was taken, the C^hairman ruling them
out of order.
Mr. Proudfoot: A> I nndci'stand voiir ruling, it is that I may not be
permitted to ask any question in relation to the three Scott Act contests to
which I have referred, in the counties of Peel, Huron and Welland ?
Mr. Chairman: I have already ruled that the accounts which we are
examining are the accounts of 191']. Further than those the Committee hasn't
any function or authority.
Mr. McGarry: Mr. Proudfoot knows that well enough. He shows it by
the fact that he has his motion ready.
]Mr. Proudfoot appealed from the ruling nf the Chair and the Chair was
sustained bv a vote of 9 to 4.
George V. APPKXDIX Xu. 1. 127
Mr. Pkoudfoot: Then, Mr. Cliairmau, in view of the stand taken I ask
to have the examination of ^Ir. Snider stand over until I can bring the
matter before the Legislature.
Mr. Chairman: Mr. Snider can be brought here at any time.
Mr. Pkoudfoot: It is useless for me to attempt to examine him further.
The witness was excused and the Committee then adjourned to meet
again on Wednesday, April 15th, at 10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
April 17, 1914.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
John R. Humphreys, re-called :
Mr. McGarry : You gave evidence here, at the last meeting, with refer-
ence to the appropriation made by the Legislature for the Rural Public and
Separate Schools, and, afterwards, there was an article in some papers with
respect to it, and I want a further explanation, so there will be no mistake
about it. As I understand it, there has, for the last three years, been a fixed
appropriation of $-100,000 for Rural Public and Separate Schools ?
A. — In the counties, yes.
Q. — Under the law you are obliged, as soon as that appropriation is
made by the Legislature, to divide it between the Public and Separate schools
according to their average attendance ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — For the past year, what was the result of that division?
A. — It resulted in approxima;tely $370,000 being :put aside for the
Public schools and $30,000 to the Separate schools as their share ?
Q. — When this division is made these moneys are entirely separate
A. — Quite so.
Q. — You are not allowed, under the Act, to use money set aside for
Separate school purposes for the Public schools and vice versa?
A.— No.
Q. — You cannot use the Separate school money for Public school pur-
poses ?
A.— No.
Q. — Or vice versa, the Public school money for Separate school pur-
poses ?
A.— No.
128 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Q. — After that division is made of these moneys you send these moneys
to the different ^lunicipalities.
A. — We send it to the County Treasurers.
Q. — At the end of the year you sent all the money, $370,000, to the
County Treasurers, all the money for Public school purposes ?
A. — Quite so.
Q. — There was no taking away from the moneys set aside for Public
school purposes ?
A.— X^o.
Q. — It was all sent to the Municipalities ?
A. — Yes. All their share.
Q. — Before that money was sent, before there was an appropriation, had
the Inspectors, the Public School Inspectors of the Province been notified
about how much there would be for division amongst them. Were they notified
at the beginning of Xovember, 1912, that in all probability the earnings of
the Public schools would exceed the appropriation.
A. — Yes.
Q. — In saying, that in all probability, the earnings would exceed the
appropriation, you have reference to the increased efficiency of the teachers,
the increased accommodation of the Public schools, etc. ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — That is an indication of the increased efficiency in the schools ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That had been taking place since this Government made its wise
legislation with respect to the efficiency of the teachers ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — As I understand, from the newspaper reports, it is stated there was
a reduction of 28 per cent, in the amounts to the Public schools, while there
was no reduction in the grants to the Separate schools ?
A. — That is not a correct interpretation of what took place.
Q. — As I understand it, the full amount was granted to the Public schools
which this Legislature authorized the Government to pav ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Last session the Legislature set aside $400,000 for both classes ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You divided that in accordance with the law?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The Legislature only gave you authority to give to the Public schools
of the Province — the Rural schools, $370,000. It would have been in viola-
tion of the authority of the Legislature if you had exceeded that ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Respecting the Separate schools. Xo moneys were paid to the
Separate schools which rightfully belonged to the Public schools ?
A. — Xot a dollar.
George Y. APPENDIX No. 1. 129
Q. — And vice versa?
A.— No.
Q. — Did the instructions which you Sent to the inspectors contain any
clause or clauses referring to the possibility of a pro-rata reduction.
A. — Yes.
Q.— They had that ?
A. — Yes.
Q, — So that no person was taken by surprise by reason of the working
out of the division ?
A. — No. There was even a special notice sent to them.
Mr. Chair]\[an : I suppose, with the basis upon which the grants are
earned, you cannot anticipate what might be earned ?
A. — No. It is something you cannot tell exactly. It might come down,
with a reduction in salaries.
Me. Chairman : The Legislature votes so much money and you distribute
it as they earn it ?
Mr. McGarry: Would you tell us the basis upon which the grant is paid
to the ordinary Rural school ?
A. — The first basis is on the assessment, the average section assessment.
Mr. Proudfoot : That doesn't apply to each section ?
A. — The average section assessed for $GO,000 or over. Take a section
of $120,000 assessment. You commence at $350 and get up to $670. We
pay 4 per cent, on that, on the excess over $350, and we pay so much for
accommodation and equipment.
Q. — You pay so much on the certificates held by the teachers ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Those are the three bases ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Chairman : The better the qualification the larger the grant they
get?
A. — Yes. The first class certificate gets a larger grant than the second.
The lowest teacher on w^hich they receive a grant is a second class permit.
Mr. Chairman : The idea is to encourage the employment of well-qualified
teachers ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry: Did the payment of the Separate school grant have any
bearing, directly or indirectly, on the reduction of the Public school grants ?
A. — Not the slightest.
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Q- — The ins]iectors were informed that jn'obably a pro rata reduction
would be made last vear?
A.— Yes.
Q. — If there was any failure on the part of the School Boards to know
what they might expect, that failure was due to the inspectors and not to
the Department?
A. — Quite so. I have a copy of the circular sent.
Mk. Chairman : It might be due to the inspector not informing the Board
of the fact.
A. — I have the circular here.
Mr. McGarry: This circular is dated November 12, 1912.
Mr. Musgrove: It was stated that the grant was held up for certain
Bi-lingual schools and was given to others.
A. — That is not the fact.
Q.— You still hold that back ?
A. — Yes. It wasn't paid at all.
Q. — That is still held back, to be paid if they comply with the regula-
tions ?
A. — Yes.
Mr. McGarry: I will file a copy of this notice and the notice sent to
the inspectors. Was it sent to every inspector in the Province ?
A. — Every inspector in the Rural schools.
Q. — To be exact, the amount set apart for the Public schools this year
was 92.27 yer cent, of the $400,000, amounting to $369,080. The amount set
apart for the Separate schools was 7.73 per cent., amounting to $30,920 ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — The amount earned by the Public schools was $43-4,528 ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That was exclusive of equipment grants ?
A.— Yes.
Q.— The reason for that increase from $369,000 to $434,000 was largely
attributable to the increased efficiency and accommodation of the teachersi
A. — Yes, and to the larger salaries paid by the Boards.
Me. Musgrove: For instance, if a school paying $400 increased the
teacher's salary to $550, they would get a higher grant ?
A. — Quite so.
Mr. Chairman : The full amount is distributed, and if it doesn't go tb
one school the other gets it?
A.— Yes.
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Mk. Proudfoot: How much was earned by the Public schools in 1912?
A.---Well, speaking from recollection, their grants earned amounted to
about $450,000.
Q.— In 1912 ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry: That is exclusive of equipment?
A. — With equipment.
Mr. Proudfoot : The amount granted each year has been $400,000 ?
Mr. McGarry: Just since 1912.
Mr. Hartt: The real increase was before. It was paid on that basis.
Mr. Proudfoot: In 1911 the appropriation was $380,000.
A. — The amount earned reached $488,855.
Mr. Proudfoot: In each year, previous to that time, where they earned,
more than the appropriation, how was that made up ?
A. — The only way we could make that up was by a Treasury Board
order.
Q. — And the Treasury Board did make it up?
A.— Yes.
Q. — So that last year was the first time the Treasury Board failed to
make it up ?
A. — Yes, the first year.
Q. — This circular you bring here was issued to all those inspectors ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Can you tell me how much the Public schools earned last year,
according to the regulations ?
A. — They earned according to the regulations about $434,000.
Q.— And they received how much ?
A.— $370,000.
Q. — $400,000 is the appropriation made by the Legislature, the total
appropriation ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Up to 1913 you say that appropriation was divided between the
Public and Separate schools?
A. — On the basis of average attendance.
0. — For 1913, based on the average attendance for 1913?
A. — Yes, the average attendance.
O. — When are you supplied with a stateinent showing the average arfend-
ance '.
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A. — The year preceding the distribution of the grant is what we get from
the County Clerk.
Mr. McGarky: The attendance of 1012?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Proudfoot: I thought, from what yon were saying, there was a
special retnrn made for that purpose ?
A.— Oh. no.
Q. — So you take the average attendance for 1912?
A.— Yes".
Q, — When was the basis worked out, showing what the Public and
Separate schools were entitled to, of the 1913 grant?
A. — That would be prior to the distribution of the grant.
Q. — Yes. but about what time ?
A. — About the end of June, when we got the full returns in. We get
the returns from the various inspectors. They are due by June 28, June of
each year.
Q. — You mean a return showing the division of the money ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The division is made by the inspectors ? .
A.— Yes.
Q. — They prepare their statements on the attendance, the salary of the
teachers, the certificates and the assessment ?
A. — And the equipment, yes.
Q. — That is a separate equipment grant, is it ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Then there are the three items ; first the assessment, second there is the
qualification of the teachers, their salaries, and third their certificates ?
A. — The grade of the certificates, yes.
Q. — These three amounts are fixed by the inspector ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — After he makes out his statements, that is sent into the Department
A.— Yes.
Q. — And the Deputy Minister signs his approval or makes whatever
approval is needed ?
A. — That is after we go thoroughly through the return — you can under-
stand that — ?
Q. — Yes, if you find a retur nsent in that is not exactly correct, you make
a change in it. I have seen some changed in that way.
A. — Oh, yes. We change a number of them.
Q. — So the Public schools earned, I think you told me $434,000 ?
A. — Approximately that.
Q. — If they had been paid in accordance with the rules and regulations they
would have received that amount of money ?
A. — Yes.
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Mk. ]\frsGROVK: Aren't the rules and regulations snbjcct to that (|nalitica-
tion, that a pro raid reduction may l)e made?
A. — Yes.
Mk. Ciiaikmax: If the Legislature had granted the $134,000 they wotild
have been paid in full i
A. — Xo doubt about it. Our circular goes to the inspectors each year
and a copy to each Trustee Board. You can see how that thing has been a
standard rule — that a pro rata reduction may be made.
Q. — Yes, but up to last year, while they had before them the circulars,
the grants earned had always been paid to the full amount, being made up
by receipt of Treasury Poard orders ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — How much did the Separate schools earn in 1913 ?
A.— Slightly over $12,000, about $12,000.
Q. — Was that the total amount I
A.— Yes.
Q. — Does that cover the whole Province ?
A, — When that amount was expended there were a number of schools —
English-French schools in the counties from which grants were withheld, and
are still withheld.
Mk. Chaikmax: What you mean is that you paid out $12,000. These
schools actually received that amount. They suffered to a larger extent than
Public schools ?
A. — They suffered more, so far as the total amount of the grant is con-
cerned. They got the full grants earned because there was more money in
their share than they earned.
Mr. Pkoudfoot : What means do you take, and have you taken, to divide
that $400,000 between the two?
A. — Under the Act we are compelled to divide it on the basis of average
attendance.
Q. — And the Separate schools were only entitled to $12,000?
A. — They were entitled to $30,000, if they earned it under the regula-
tions.
Mr. Chairman: As I understand it, under the Act you divide the whole
$400,000 on the average attendance. $370,000 to the Public schools and $30,000
to the Separate schools — if they earn it.
Mr. Proudfoot: That is assuming each earns in accordance with the
regulations.
Mr. McGarry: After you divide the appropriation voted by the Legis-
lature it is practically two sums ?
A.— Yes, $370,000 and $30,000.
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Q. — The Public schools cauuot use the Separate schools' grant or vice
A.— No.
Q. — And whatever these two branches earn under the regulations is paid
•our of their separate grants? Out of these two amounts?
.v.— Yes.
Mr. ]\rus(;ROVE: If the Separate schools don't earn $30,000 what do
yoii do with it (
Mr. Proldfoot: I was just going to ask him that.
Mr. Chairman : I suppose the money is still held.
Mr. Proudfoot: You have $30,000 set aside for Separate schools?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And they only earned in accordance with the regulations, $12,000?
A. — Approximately.
Mr. MusCtROve: You paid that. And if they don't obey the regula-
tions ?
A. — If they don't obey the regulations they don't earn the grant.
Mr. Proudfoot: Am I to understand that $18,000 of that $30,000 is
still on hand ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — And unappropriated ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — After paying out the amounts earned by the Separate schools, vou
have $18,000 you could have divided amongst the Public schools?
Mr. McGarry : He couldn't under the statutes.
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Mr. Proudfoot: The statute doesn't provide for setting aside $370,000
and $30,000. It makes the total amount f.f $400,000 cover both. Is that
correct ?
A. — Xo, sir. It distinctly provith's that, after the division is uuide o'l
the average attendance, these two sums are set apart and are entirely distincr.
We cannot use one to pay the other.
Q._Where does it establish the division of $30,000 and $370,000?
A. — In the statute.
Q. — The statute doesn't make it ?
A. — It is based on average attendance. Xext year the average attendance
in the Public schools might decrease. The percentage might eirliev increiHe
or decrease.
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Mr. Musgkove: It is on the basis of average attendance.
Mr. Proudfoot: What I want to get at is; Mr. McGarry says the statute
divides that $400,000 between the two.
]\[r. McGarry: 1 did not say the statute divided the $400,000 between
the two. It i)rovides for division between the two on the basis of average
attendance.
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Mr. Proudfoot: That is quite right. I didn't understand you to say
that before.
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Mr. Johnson: If it is not earned it is not called for. It simply lies in
the Treasury until called for ?
A. — That is right.
Mr. Chairman : A large portion of that $30,000 is amounts that have not
been earned by Bi-lingual schools?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry : Here is the section of the School Act providing the basis-
of division :
" The Minister shall so divide the sums appropriated for the purposes
mentioned in clauses {d) and {g) of subsection 1, that out of each of them
there shall be allotted to the Separate schools a sum which bears the same ratio
to the whole sum appropriated as the average number of pupils who attended
such schools during the next preceding calendar year bears to the whole aver-
age number of pupils who attend both Public and Separate schools during that
year and the residue shall be allotted to the Public schools, and subject to the
regulations, shall apportion among the Public schools the sum so allotted to
them and among the Separate schools the sums so allotted to them on the respec-
tive bases mentioned in clauses (c?) and (.9)."
Mr. McGarry (continuing) : After the application of these moneys was
made, you found the Separate schools earned only $12,000. The Public schools
amount was allotted to them. If you found there had been mistakes made, for
instance, in the amount of money due the Separate schools, you would have to
pay that additional amount out of this balance ?
A. — Certainly.
Q. — And if there had been, for instance, eases where you have withheld the
grants, which later have complied with the regulations, that amount would have
to be paid out of the balance ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — They are legally entitled to it ?
A.— Yes!
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Q. — ^ on cannot legally apply it to any other purpose than for the Sepa-
rate schools ?
A. — That is so.
Mr. Peoudfoot: Just to find out about that $18,000 left. How much
of that will be for schools that, if they had complied with the regulations, would
have been entitled to receive it ?
A. — T cannot tell that. The Separate schools have never earned more than
about two-thirds of the grant.
Mr. Peoudfoot: How much of that $18,000 is still unappropriated ?
A. — Perhaps if you put it at $3,000 or $4,000 it would be a fair estimate
of what is being held.
Q. — That would leave about $14,000 that will not be called on. Why
doesn't that go into the other ?
A. — We cannot pay it, under the Act. The Act distinctly stops anything
of that sort. We cannot change one appropriation to the other.
Q. — So that, at the end of the year, for which you have this appropriation
of $400,000, when you make up the payments which can properly be made, you
have an amount with you still, you apparently have about $14,000 ?
A. — Yes, about $14,000.
Q. — Can you tell me, when you set aside $30,000 for the Separate schools
how it is they didn't earn that amount? The Department must have an idea
that more might be earned.
A. — Xo, the Department has no say at all. The Act determines how that
money shall be paid.
Mr. Chairman: They have an opportunity to earn up to that extent?
Mr. Profdfoot : Ts that the average attendance of all the schools ?
A. — Just the Rural schools.
Mr. Ciiairmais": The same thing would apply if the appropriation was a
million and the schools didn't earn it.
Mr. Musorove : A great many teachers of the Separate schools teach at
salaries just merely nominal.
Mr. Pijofdfoot : The salaries according to the certificates are not as
high?
A.— That is the difficulty.
!Mr. IMfsgrove: Take the County of Huron. There are nine Separate
schools and only four of them receive anything on salaries. If they fall below
$350 in Huron thev would not receive anvthiuff at all. We do not start to
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pay until tlion. There are only three or four schools there that receive any-
thing. One receives $50 and the others $25 each.
Mr. Proudfoot : In my Riding it is only in Kinlore they get anything.
A. — That is the reason for the small grants to the Separate schools.
Mr. McGarry: According to what yon say, the only reason the Public
schools have any right to complain — if they have any right — is because the
Department, in previous years, had paid the full amount and they didn't provide
for it last year ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — I could go further and say it was because the Legislature didn't
grant it ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And I suppose if the Opposition wouldn't criticize over-expenditure
so much the Government would bring down a vote a little larger ?
A. — That is about right, I guess.
Mr. Proudfoot : To make up the amount it would take a Treasury War-
rant of $68,000 ?
A.— It would take about $120,000.
Mr. McGarry: That doesn't take in equipment?
A.— It would take about $120,000 or $121,000.
Mr. Proudfoot : How is that ?
A. — The previous year the Treasury Board gave about $81,000. The
diiferenee last year was much more. The schools earned about $40,000
additional.
Mr. Musgrove : What grant do you give extra, to the section assessed
for $40,000 ?
A. — We start them at $250 for the principal teacher and $200 for all
over that.
Q. — If a man gets $500 you start at $200 and they get a grant of 40 per
cent, on $300. If it is over $500 they start at $350 ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The Poor schools. How do you get at them ?
A. — ^We have a report from the Inspector stating the conditions, the aver-
age assessment. He sends the rate of taxation and the general details of the
situation. The Poor school, for which assistance is asked, after consideration
by the Minister, after the facts have been given, is allowed the amount asked
for, or a proportion of the amount.
Mr. Proudfoot : Is that paid out of the $400,000 ?
A. — Xo, that is out of a special appropriation, of $25,000.
138 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
Mr. ]\frsGKOVE: In some Ih-uec schools they have an assessment of $25,000
or $30,000. T do not see how they pay a teacher at all.
Mr. Proudfoot: Take a case of this kind. What would actnate the
Department in making this grant, a school is given, say a $180 grant, appar-
ently a special grant ?
A. — That might be for building purposes.
Q. — Xo, this school has been in existence for years.
A. — I do not know what that would be for. They might earn it under the
Legislative grant.
Q. — Xo, they do not come under that grant at all.
Mr. Musgrove : What school is it ?
Mr. Proudfoot: I think it is called Xo. 11 Hay, that is in Huron.
A. — That grant might be for a thousand different things.
Mr. Chairman : You cannot state what it was for, unless you have the
facts before you ?
A.— X^o.
Mr. Proudfoot : You do not know the circumstances ? I thought you
might have known this case ?
Mr. Johnson : We have been speaking here of appropriation as some-
thing set aside. It isn't that at all. It is authority to pay money out of the
general funds of the Province. They have authority to spend up to a certain
amount and they merely spend so much money out of the general funds.
Mr. Proudfoot: When you send that money to the Treasurer of the
County all he has to do with it is send it on. He has nothing to do with the
division of it ?
Mr. Chairman: It was explained the other day. They have just to pay
out the money.
Me. Proudfoot: All he does is to pay that out?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The Department sends a cheque for the whole amount and he simply
distributes it?
A.— Yes.
Witness excused.
Mr. Johnson : In regard to the subject up in the House yesterday after-
noon in connection with the statement made by Mr. Bowman. I hoped he
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would be here so that I iniiiht take it up in his presence. The charge is made
in the Globe " Whitney Government misapplies funds," " Liberal Whip exposes
reprehensible practices." The other morning- nobody charged any wrongdoing
as implied here. The whole issue was the ))lan of dealing with these funds.
The money all goes into a general till
At this point objection was raised by Mr. Proudfoot to Mr. Johnson going
into the matter, but the Chair ruled that the member had a right to be heard.
After some discussion ^Mr. Johnson continued.
^Ir. Johnso^j : I was speaking of the money going into the general till.
It is taken out for specific pur])oses and charged to the particular account, for
which the amount is intended, under due authority. The amount charged to
that account shows the expenditure made and the difference between the expen-
diture made and what is authorized to be expended is the amount yet to be
expended. The receipts from all sources go into the general till and all expen-
ditures are made from it and at the end of the year the balance of cash on hand
is brought down. It is possible to know w^hat these figures mean in the Financial
Statement of this year. There is a balance on hand here from last year of
$2,380,000. That was simply money on hand that had not been expended,
probably part of the proceeds of this sale of bonds and, at that time, it was
simply a cash book balance of last year brought down, the money on hand.
Mr. Chairma>^ : The point between you and Mr. Bowman is simply this,
as I understand it — a certain amount was raised by a Bond issue for the pur-
pose of spending it in Xorthern Ontario. Mr. Bowman's point is that a part
of the monev had not been spent.
Mr. Johnsox : I claim that it all goes into the general till. Mr. Bow-
man's contention is that it was raised for certain purposes and not spent for
those purposes. Probably he had better find out how the balance on hand will
be spent, that balance of cash on hand is available for next year. How could
there be a balance of cash on hand of that amount unless it comes from that
source ?
Mr. Proudfoot: Probably that is some other special account?
Mr. McGarry: Who knows?
Mr. Proudfoot : He doesn't know.
Mr. McGarry : Do you know I
Mr. Proudfoot: Xo. and he doesn't.
Mr. McGarry : Then I think you had both better keep quiet.
140 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Mr. Joiixsox: lie is not in a position to deny it. Of eonrse it is. If
you sold debenture? for $100 and only used $50 wouldn't that cash on hand
be brought down ? We have been charged here with reprehensible practices.
Mr. Proudfoot: You have been charged with using moneys raised for
one purjx)se for another purpose. That money was raised for certain pur-
poses and that money, instead of being on hand for that particular purpose, has
been applied in some other way.
Mr. Johnsox : It is on hand. There is a balance of cash. The money
brought dovm last year.
Mr. Proudfoot : The statement of Mr, Sproule the other day showed that
these three millions had been spent and if the money for Xorthern Ontario was
spent, more would have to be raised from other sources.
Mr. McGarry: According to your argument, when the Government
receives $1,000 for Succession Duties, as soon as it receives that it should hurry
over to the University and keep it separate, until it is paid to the University,
according to your argument and the same with every estate.
ISIr. Proudfoot: I say we passed a Special Act for raising certain
money
Mr. McGarry: The Succession Duties is a Special Act.
Mr. Proudfoot : This is different.
Me. McGaery : How is it different from Succession Duties ? Anyway
we are not desirous of taking up the time of the Committee on this question.
Me. Haett: It was discussed in the House yesterday and ^Ir. Bowman
failed to make it clear to me that the money had been spent for other purposes.
Me. Musgeove: Under the system in this Province it always goes into
one fund and is paid out of that.
]\rR. Thompsox : The same system has l)een in effect 31 years.
A discussion wuth reference to the calling of witnesses in respect to the
Xiagara Falls Park Commission report of 1912 ensued and the Committee then
adjourned to meet again on Wednesday, April 22n(l at 10 a.m.
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PUBLIC AOCOUX'TS COMMITTEE.
April 22, 1914.
The Committee met at 10 a.m.
]\Ir. ]\[cGke called 'and sworn.
Islu. PRornKooT : Mi-. .MeGce. what position dci you (ict'iipv in the T. and
K. 0. Railway I
\. — Secretary Treasurer.
Q. — How Ions: have yon been in that position?
A. — Seven years.
Q. — In the pnblic accounts I see an item of $250,000 "earnings on ac-
count of interest," what does that come from.
A. — It comes from the earnings of operating the railway — the net re-
ceipts.
Q. — But why is it paid on account of interest?
iV. — I do not know. I suppose the reason it is put in that form is this:
We have been loaned so much money. It is interest on that loan. I suppose
the Treasurer sees that is all we have earned in the year and he applies it
on that interest. I suppose that is what it means. ■
Q. — Tile item means that you earned $250,000 that year?
Mr. Chairman: So much of the earnings was evidently applied on
the interest.
A. — Our earnings were something like $255,000
Q. — What were the total earnings last year — up to the time covered by
these accounts?
A.— $255,000. That would be for the fiscal year.
Q. — How does that compare with the previous year?
A. — There is a big decrease.
Q. — Can you tell me, off-hand, about what it was ?
A. — I will get the report.
Mr. Citairmax: It was pretty near out in two.
A.— It was $454,000 last year— $200,000 less this year.
Q. — How do you account for it ?
A. — Xo business, decrease in freight rates and an increase in salaries.
Q. — The decrease in freight rates would not have any effect upon the
amount earned ?
A.— Why not?
Q. — That is not earnings.
A. — A decrease in freight rates and an increase in salaries will decrease
net earnings of course.
Q. — What were vour cross earnino's ?
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A. — Our gross earnings were $1,656,000; operating expenses $1,477,000
Q. — That is last year?
A. — 1913, yes.
Q. — How does that compare with the previous year ?
A. — Gross earnings in 1912 were $1,707,000, expenditures $1,384,000,
or $93,000 more expenditures this year and $51,000 less earnings.
Q.— That would not make $200,000 ?
A. — Then there is ore royalties, there is a $54,000 decrease there.
Q. — Is there any special reason by which you can account for the falling
off in earnings ?
A. — Only that we are not doing the business.
Q. — Yes, but is there any special reason why you don't do the business?
A. — As far as I know it is a general thing with all the railroads. Business
is quiet.
Mr. Chairman: A general depression?
A. — Yes; general depression.
Mr. Proudfoot : Was there a falling oft" in tonnage in OoDalt.
A. — Xot so much last year. The tonnage from Cobalt has been very
little, most of the ore is smelted right there. Of course the Transcontinental
was in couree of construction in 1912 and we had a lot of freight for there.
Mr. Chairman: Carrying supplies?
A. — Yes ; rails and equipment and that sort of thing.
]\1r. ]\1oGarr.y : Had you any reduction in freight rates ?
A. — Yes; we reduced all freight rates in 1912.
Mr. Proudfoot : Is that on special rates or on general rates ?
A. — On all kinds.
Q. — What was the average reduction?
A. — It is hard to say. I should say about ten per cent.
Q. — What was the reduction on pulpwood ?
A. — We are carrying pulpwood to-day from Cochrane to Xorth Bay foi*
less than one-half a cent a ton per mile.
Mr. McGarry: How does the pulpwood rate compare with any other
railways ?
A. — Our pulpwood rate is cheaper than any other railway in Canada.
It is one-half to two cents less a hundred pounds for long distances.
Q. — Are your rates higher or lower than the C.P.R. and Grand Trunk
Railway ?
A. — Some of our rates are the same, most of onr rates are lower.
Mr. Ciiatrmax: It depends upon whether the C.P.R. has competition
and whether it hasn't?
A. — Of course that affects it.
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^lii. Pkoudfoo r : Have you a competitive rate?
A.— Xo.
Mr. McGarry: Your rates are as low as the lowest rates?
i\Iij. C'liAiR.MAx: Whether at eoinpctiriNc points or not?
A. — Yes.
Q. — You haven't anv competitive points?
A.— ^0.
Q. — What is meant is: the C.P.E. rate where they have competition
may compai'e favorably witli yours, but where they have no competition you
are below them (
A. — Yes; that is it
Q. — They soak the public and you don't?
A.— Yes!
jMr. Proudfoot : From time to time are special reductions made ?
A. — Yes We have what are called community rates, special rates. For
instance the ])ulpwood and lumber rates, building material.
Mr. Mageau : What is the rate for pulpwood from Englehart to Xorth
Bay?
A. — Three and one-quarter cents.
Q. — And on lumber?
A. — I do not know what the rate on luml>er is. I am not familiar with
the tariffs. That is out of my line.
]\[r. Proudfoot : Three and one-quarter cents, that is a hundred pounds ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Has the Grand Trunk operated over the line yet ?
A. — Xo, sir.
Q. — You have an ag:reement with them?
A.— Yes.
Q.— When does that come into eifect ?
A, — As soon as they start to use the line.
Q. — When do you expect they are going to use it?
A. — That is a question I cannot answer.
Q.— I thought probably you would have some information.
A. — T do not know. I have heard rumors. Some say the 1st of Sep-
teml)er.
^Ir. Chairmax: There has been no official notice?
A. — Xo notice at all.
Q. — Are you ready to handle, prepared to handle their freight as soon
as they are ready ?
A. — Yes. sir.
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Q. — What clianges have you been making in the road in the way of
betterment ?
A. — We are rochicing grades, cutting out curves and ballasting the roadbed,
changing ties, putting in new rails, etc. We did quite a bit of that last
year.
Q. — What amount did you expend in betterment?
A.— We spent $84,000 on that last year.
Q. — Out of earnings of
A. — That isn't out of earnings. That is on capital account.
Q. — Would it have been necessary to have made that expenditure if
you had not had the Grand Trunk agreement in prospect ?
A. — Yes, sir. It w^as necessary to keep the roadbed up to the highest
standard in Canada.
Mr. Chairman: You have it up to that standard now?
A.— Yes.
Mr. McGarry: It was a hard pull to get it up there where you have
it, and you are going ahead cutting out grades and making the road a
first-class road?
A. — We are.
A Member: You are trying to make it as good a road as the Grand
Trunk Pacific ?
A. — ^We have as good a road as the Grand Trunk Pacific from Engle-
hart north. We have grades a little less than on the G.T.P.
Mr. Proudfoot : You have a branch line into Elk Lake ?
A.— Yes.
0. — When was that opened for operation?
A. — In February, 1912.
Q. — Can you tell me what were the receipts from that line in 1912 ?
A. — Xo. We don't keep them separate.
Q. — Have you nothing to show what is the cost of running that branch
line ?
A. — Yes ; the cost of running that branch line last year was about $47,000
or $48,000.
Q. — What receipts do you get from it ?
A. — I do not remember exactly. They were not one-quarter of the cost.
Mr. Chairman : You just want to get an idea of whether it is paying
or not.
A. — Not at all. You moan the branch itself?
A. — 28I/2 miles. You must understand that a branch line is built as a
feeder to the main line. The branch line itself is a losing proposition. The
Mr. Proudfoot : The branch, ves. IIow manv miles is it ?
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receipts are far less than the expenditures. That is a thing that has to be
taken into consideration in considerino; the cost.
Q. — You say it doesn't pay. Can you tell me the number of people — -
roughly speaking — that branch line serves ?
A. — I should say that between Earlton and Elk Lake there is one
of the best pieces of country you could get in the north country. That
is, for about 22 miles. Eor six miles as you come into Elk Lake it is
rock country. That is mining country, but for 22 miles it is fine, level
rolling clay land, fine agricultural land. Within the last year there has
been great activity there, and particularly the first three months of this year.
The settlers are getting out pulpwood, ties and that sort of thing.
Q. — You have a considerable number of settlers in there?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Particularly around Elk Lake ?
A. — Oh, no; between Earlton and Elk Lake.
Q. — Then except for pulpwood or timber shipped out, there would not
be anything shipped out — any agricultural products.
A. — Oh, no. They have nothing to ship out yet.
Q. — Take Elk Lake. What mining industries are going on there ?
A. — I do not know. I can't say what mines are active right in Elk Lake,
except that we are getting quite a good tonnage from Gowganda.
Q. — Have you other mines working there ?
A. — There may be. There is little activity in the mines there. I cannot
say oflF-hanrl what the tonnage would be. There is quite a bit of tonnage.
They are equipping these mines. Machinery and that sort of thing is going
in there.
Q. — ^Where do they ship the products for refining?
A. — Several places, Perth, Xew Jersey, Denver, Colorado, in addition to
Delora.
Q. — At any rate it all goes out of the Province?
Mr. Chairman: Delora is not out of the Province. Delora is in
Ontario.
A. — It is near St. Catharines.
Mr. Chairman : Yes. The Coniagas Company ha^e a smelter there.
Mr. Proudfoot : What are you taking out of Elk Lake ?
A. — Silver.
Q. — It is entirely a silver proposition?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Then as I understand from the figures you gave me the Elk Lake
branch doesn't pay possibly more than thirty per cent, of running expenses ?
A. — You might say less than thirty per cent.
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Mr. Chairman: You have to take into consideration that this branch
feeds the main line.
Mk. Proudfoot : Does that include through rates ?
A. — If there was a charge from Xorth Bay to Elk Lake we would appor-
tion that according to the mileage.
Q. — You are 2;iving the branch line credit for all it is entitled to?
A.— Yes.
^Ir. Chairman : "Where you took a shipment from Elk Lake to Xorth
Bay would you credit Elk Lake with the whole of the earnings ?
A.— Oh. no.
Mr. ^IcGarry: Xo; only between Earlton and Elk Lake.
]\Ir. PRorDFOOT: How many trains do you run over that line?
A. — We are running a train in and out and two trains once a week on
Wednesdays. We had up to, last week two trains a day. That is each way.
A train runs in as a mixed train and starts back as a way freight. We
only do that once a week — run this extra train.
Q. — You have a daily train ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Is that a passenger or a mixed train?
A. — A mixed train.
Q. — ^What other branch lines have you ?
A. — A branch from Porcupine junction into the Porcupine Mining dis-
trict, the Porcupine branch.
Q. — What length is that line.
A. — 331/2 or 34 miles.
Q. — xAnd does that pay?
A. — Xo; that doesn't pay either. I have not the figures of that. I can
get them. I am not able to say off-hand.
Q. — But you know it doesn't pay running expenses?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — What number of trains do you have over that line each day?
A. — We have five trains.
Q. — Five trains a day?
A. — Two trains each way and a little local train between Timmons and
Porcupine.
Q. — Are they mixed trains?
A. — There are two passenger trains.
Q. — When you say two you mean two each way?
A. — Two each way.
Q. — Two passenger trains each way?
A. — One passenger train each way. The other is a mixed train.
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Q. — Can you give me auy idea of the loss in operating that line {
A. — Xo, sir. I cannot say. 1 haven't the figures yet. I am having
them prepared now.
Q. — You kuuw there is a loss on the line ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — A very considerable loss ?
A.— I do.
Q. — Xow what is the next branch?
A. — There is one from Porquois Junction into Iroquois Falls.
yVii. Mageau : About seven miles.
A. — About seven miles.
J\Ii{. PiiouDFOOT : Does that line pay running expenses i
A. — Why no. It was put in there for the purposes of the x^bitibi Pulp
and Paper Plant. It is a good big plant but it is not completed and of course
is not doing business yet.
Q. — When was this line completed?
A. — I might say last October, possibly Xovember. There is a lot of
work to be done on it yet.
Q. — Do you have a regular train service over it ?
A.— Xo.'
Q. — So that you cannot really tell about that. . . . What other lines are
there ?
A. — There is the branch from Cobalt into Kerr Lake.
Q. — How many miles ?
A. — About four miles.
Q. — Do you operate a daily service ?
A. — Yes, a switch train. We run a switch service.
Q. — Does it pay ?
A. — Yes, I think it pays. It serves the mines in the Kerr Lake district.
Q. — You think it pays more than operating expenses ?
A. — Oh, yes. We use the service in our Cobalt yards. We haven't any
special service for that.
Mr. Chairman: The Cobalt equipment does that?
A. — Yes, the Cobalt equipment does that.
Q. — It cannot be treated as a line having a regular service but more
as an Auxiliary?
A. — Yes; a sort of spur line.
Q. — Does that cover them all ?
A. — X-o there is the line from Englehart to Charlton, about eight miles.
Q. — How long has that been in operation ?
Hon. Dr. KT-AFMr. : That is one of the first.
A. — Yes, one of the first built. That has been in operation about eight
years.
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Me. Shillington : It is the first branch.
A. — The first branch, jes.
Q. — Does it pay ?
A. — I am not in a position to say that.
Q. — Do you keep the accounts for these branches separate ?
A.— No.
Q. — So that you cannot tell whether that piece of road pays or not?
A. — No, I haven't the figures yet.
Mr. Chairman : You could ascertain them ?
A. — Oh, yes; easily.
Mr. Proudfoot: It is entirely a matter of calculation?
A, — Oh, yes ; it could be easily done, I could quit€ easily do that.
Q. — You know what the freight is and the passengers?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — There is another, the Nipissing Central?
A. — That isn't a branch line. That is a separate organization altogether.
Q. — You have charge of that ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — It is part of the system ?
A. — The Commission of the T. and N. 0. are directors of the Nipissing
Central.
Q. — That line runs from Cobalt to New Liskeard ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Is that oj)erated separately from the general operation ?
A. — Yes, it is a separate organization altogether.
Q. — Does it pay ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — What were gross receipts from it for last year ?
A. — Gross receipts last year were $85,000.
Q. — x\.nd what were net?
A.— Net were $36,500.
Q. — Any improvements made ?
A. — Yes, we built last year from Ilaileybury to New Liskeard, an increased
length of five miles.
Q. — How much did that cost ?
A.— Well, about $106,000, off hand, in the year.
Mr. Tttompsox : 1= that an electric road ?
A. — Yp.5, an electric road.
^fu. Stitt.t.txotox : That iiifliulofl the Haileyburv Spur, the electrification
of that line a« well ?
A.— Yes.
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Mr. Pkoudfoot: How far did you extend from New Liskeard ?
A. — We have extended from Ilaileybury to New Liskeard. The line was
originally five miles long, now it is ten miles.
Q. — Ts the last five miles you hnilt in operation?
A.— Oh, yes.
Q.- — How long has it been in operation?
A. — 1 cannot say exactly. It has been in operation for over a year.
Q. — When you gave me the receipts of the Nipissing Central did jou
include the receipts from that new portion of the line ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That was the total receipts of the whole line?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Who handles that line? Who is in charge for the Commission?
A. — Mr. McDonald is superintendent. He is under the jurisdiction of
the superintendent of the T. and N. O.
Q.— Under Mr. Clement ?
A. — Yes. As far as maintenance is concerned and under Mr. Griffin as
far as traffic is concerned.
Q.— .Mr. Clement is at North Bay?
A.— Yes.
Q. — He is chief engineer ?
A. — Yes, engineer and superintendent of maintenance.
Q. — Mr. McDonald acts under him ?
A. — As far as maintenance is concerned. Then we have a superintendent
of traffic as well. He acts under Mr. Griffin as far as traffic is concerned.
Q. — Can you tell me the number of passes issued for the Nipissing Central
last year i
A. — The number of passes ?
Q.— Yes.
A. — I cannot tell exactly, but there were very few.
Q. — Is no track kept of the number ?
A.— Why, yes.
Q. — Who keeps track of it ?
A. — I keep track of it.
Q. — Then you can easily tell us how many you issued ?
A. — I cannot tell off hand. For instance, most of them issued over the
line are issued to the Dominion Railway Board. That road is subject to the
jurisdiction of the Dominion Eailway Board. Every employee has a pass
over it.
Mk. Chairman : You mean the Nipissing Central. The same would
not apply to the T. and N. 0. ?
A. — No, sir.
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Mr. Pkoudfoot : . You mean passes issued over the T. and N. O., annual
passes ? I do not mean by members of Parliament
A. — Trip passes ?
Q. — Annual passes, outside members of the Legislature and officials of
the road
Mk. Chairman : And employees.
Mr. PRornrooT : Yes, and employees — outside of that ?
A. — It is hard for me to say, because everybody who travels over that
line has to have a pass. The chief engineer might send a man up the line with
a gang of ten or twelve men and they would have to have a pass.
Q. — I mean outside of those employees, to people not connected with the
road ?
A. — I would say 200 would cover everything.
Q. — Do you think 200 would cover it ?
]\Ir. CHAiR]\rAN : Leave off the members of the Legislature, Dominion
members and all officials and employees who are entitled to passes — how many
are distributed to the general public, to every Tom, Dick and Harry who want
to go over the line?
A. — How many ip. embers of the Legislature are there ? •
Mr. McGarry : You issue passes to settlers, special passes ?
Mr. CHAiR:\rAx: Perhaps if you got the number you could find who they
were issued to.
A. — I understood Mr. Proudfoot was asking for annual passes.
Mr. Chairmax: Mr. McGee means you to give him an idea of the whole
number and he can deduct these others. There are 106 members.
A. — I should say then we have issued about — we have issued over 700.
Mr. Mageau : Would that include passes in exchange with the C.P.R. ?
A. — Yes, we exchange passes with all the roads in the country.
Me. Scholfield: That includes passes for members.
A. — We have passes to employees here — secretaries and deputy ministers.
Mr. McGaeey: The 700 — are they included in that?
A. — Oh. yes, that includes them.
Mr. Haett: It also inclndes fire rangers?
Mr. Chairmats : Xo, they pay their way.
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]\Ir. Proudfoot: Counting the 106 members of the Legislature you issue
about 800 altogether ?
A.— About 850.
Mr. CTiAiR]\rAN: That includes school teachers, missionaries and all
kinds of people you give passes to ?
A. — Last year we did issue passes to clergymen along the line.. .
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Mr. Proudfoot : Annual or trip passes ?
A. — Mostly annual, but a good many between points they worked in.
Q. — Wasn't there a considerable delegation, some association went up
there last year ?
K. — I don't remember.
Q. — Were the teachers up there last year ?
A. — No, sir. The teachers were not up there. They wouldn't get a pass
anyway.
Q. — Then TOO or 800 of them covered passes of every description issued^
outside of the transjiortation of men from one point to another. I do not sup-
pose you issue the ordinary regular passes to them ?
A. — Yes, we do. If you get on a T. and N. O. train without a pass or a
ticket they will put you off.
Q. — I thought you might give the foreman of the gang a pass marked,
" pass Tom Smith and four men."
Mr. Chairman: They have that on every railroad — you mean for the
public outside ?
A. — Yes. I would say that 150 trip passes issued to outsiders would,
cover everything.
A. — By whom were they issued ?
A. — Most of them were issued by me.
Q. — What system do you adopt in the granting of passes ? Take, for
instance, the annual passes issued to those outside the privileged classes I have
referred to.
]\rR. Chairman : Ourselves.
A. — I do not know that th(n'e is any general system. I do not think there
is in any road.
Q. — Have you any regulations or is it left to your discretion ?
A. — Tt is left to the discretion of the Commission, of course.
^fi;. MrsGKOvi;: p]aeh reciuest is decided on its merits as it comes?
A. — I do not issue any animal pass unless it is approved of by the
Chairman.
]\Ik. McGaury: Don't all the railroads recognize some system of passes?
A.-^rou mean of exchange I
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Q. — All the railroads recognize some system of passes. There are certain
classes they issue them to ?
A. — The law restricts them. Unt many railroads have exchange passes.
Outside of that the Commission uses its discretion.
Q. — Just the same as other roads ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Proudfoot: There is no definite rule covering the use of passes,
outside, of course, of those who get them purely as a matter of course ?
A.— No.
Q. — Then, as Mr. Musgrove said, with every case you deal with it on its
merits ?
A. — Yes. Except as I say, what has been issued — the customary exchange
];etween railroads.
Q. — What became of the Dominion Railway subsidy granted to the
T. and N. O. ?
A. — I don't know.
Q. — Did that reach your hands ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Was it dealt with in the accounts of the T. and N. O. Commission ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — But you know that a subsidy was granted?
A. — I saw it in the Public Accounts.
Q. — It didn't reach you ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — ^Did the Commission, as far as you know make any inquiries, or efforts
to get that money ?
A. — I do not know, sir.
Q. — Not as far as you know ?
A. — No, sir.
Mr. Chairman: The Commission hadn't any right to it. The Govern-
ment built the road and this was the subsidy for doing it, to the Ontario Govern-
ment.
Q. — You say the royalties were reduced ?
A. — I did not say the royalties were reduced. I said the oaniings from
royalties this year were less than last year.
Q. — As a matter of fact were not the royalties reduced ?
A. — You mean the percentages ?
Q.— Yes.
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — When did that reduction take place ?
A. — There have been several reductions.
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Q. — What reduction was made (luring the year we are covering^
A. — Last year we were working the first six months on seventeen per cent.
and the second six months on twelve per cent. We are working on ten per
cent. now.
Q. — During the early part of the year you were working on seventeen per
cent. How was that seventeen per cent, fixed ?
A. — How do yon mean ?
Q. — Who fixed it at seventeen ?
A. — The Commission recommended to the Government that it be seven-
teen per cent, and it was approved by Order-in-Coimcil.
Q. — Had it been higher than that ?
A. — Oh, yes. It was originally 25 per cent.
Q. — What reason did the Commission advance for reducing it from
25 to 17?
A. — The mines weren't doing as well as they had been doing, and they
thought 25 per cent, a little high.
Q. — Was that a general reduction on the mines or on any particular
section ?
A. — All the mines under lease by the Commission.
Q. — The mines under lease by the Commission — they are probably all
silver mines ?
A. — Yes, all silver mines.
Q. — No gold mines at all ?
A.— No.
Q. — Was a request made by the mine owners to have a reduction made?
A. — Oh, yes. They are always after us to reduce them. They think they
are too high yet.
Q. — That applied to all the mines under lease ?
A. — ^You mean the reduction ?
Q.— Yes.
A, — Oh, yes ; the reduction applied to all mines.
Q. — The good mines and the bad ones as well ?
A. — Any mine at all.
Q. — What time was that reduction from 25 per cent, made ?
A. — The first six months of the year, then it was 12 per cent, the last six
months. It was first reduced from 25 to 17 and then from 17 to 12.
Q. — When did that reduction take place ?
A. — The last six months of last year.
Q. — What was the occasion for that ?
A. — I do not know that I could give any better reason than the other. The
mine people still thought the royalties were too high and that they should not
have to pay them. Mining was not paying well. We did not get royalties from
any mine except one during 1913.
Q, — Which one was that ?
A. — The Townsite. All the other mines are runuino- at a loss.
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Mk. ^Iageau : Didn't von get royalties from the 0"J5rieii ?
A. — Xo. We had nothing to do t\^ith that. That is a Government matter.
It is not a railway mine.
Q. — You have nothing to do with the Government mine ?
A. — Xo. Just the mines that are our own.
Mr. Pkoudfoot: The ToAVTisite was the only one to pay the railroad?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What amount did it pay ?
A. — I cannot say, off hand, what it paid us last year.
Me. McGaery: It would be in the Public Accounts.
A. — Xo, it wouldn't. We had earnings from mine royalties during the
past year of about $95,000 to $100,000.
Mk. Pkoudfoot : From the Townsite ?
A.^That is during the fiscal year.
Q. — How many mines are under lease from the T. and X. 0. ?
A. — Seven mines.
Q. — Where is the Tow^nsite located ?
A. — In Cobalt.
Q. — Are these all located in Cobalt, the seven you speak of ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Has the Townsite been paying royalties right along ?
A. — Xo, only for the last couple of years has it been doing that.
Q. — ^fiad any mines other than the Townsite j^aid royalties?
A.— Yes.
-Q. — When did they quit paying?
A. — About a year ago. Their expenses last year were over their earnings.
Q. — That applied to all the mines except the Townsite ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Was the Townsite paying royalties of 2^) per cent.?
A. — Xo. They began after the cut in royalties.
Q, — They were paying on the 17 and 12 per cent, basis i
A. — Yes, for instance, on the last three months of this year on a 12 per
cent, basis they paid about $24,000.
Q. — Who applied to the (V)mmissi()n for a reduction in royalties when
none were paying except the Townsite ?
A. — I cannot answer that.
Q. — Was it brought before you ?
A. — Xo, except in a general way. They probably took it ujd with the
Chairman.
Q. — As none of the others were |)aying it looks to me as if the Townsite
was the only one interested in having the royalties reduced I
A. — Xo. Thev were all interested.
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Q. — If they were not paying royalties — if they were not making money
they were not paying royalties ?
A. — I do not suppose they anticipated that they were going to lose or
make money.
Mr. Chairman: This agitation began before the reduction.
Mk. Muscjrove: How do you collect the royalty ?
A. — On the net profits.
Q. — You have got to wait until the year end, then?
A. — I think there was a general feeling that 25 per cent, was always a
high percentage.
^Ir. Proudfoot: You said none were paying under the 25 per cent, rate
exce])t the Townsite ?
A. — I did not say that.
Q. — I understood you to say there were no others during the last two
years ?
A.— The Right of Way paid $256,000 in royalties.
Q. — Xot in the last year ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — But I understood you to say the reductions were all made in the
last year ?
]\rR. ^FcGarry : The general agitation began four or five years ago.
A. — Some state the agitation commenced as soon as it was put on.
^Ih. Proudfoot: AVhen did you reduce it to ten per cent.?
A. — The first of this year. We didn't know whether we were going to
get anything.
Q. — Do you know who is president of the Townsite Mine ?
A. — -I think the president is W. R. Parks.
Q. — Who is the manager ?
A. — I don't know who the manager is.
Q.— Who handles the land of the T. and X. O. ?
Q. — What do you mean i
Q. — Who has charge of the selling or disposing of land, or granting it. as
the case may be (
A. — Of course the Commission has that. You mean to say, who has the
work of keeping the records (
Q. — What system have you of disposing of land under the control of the
T. and X. O. ?
A. — What system of disposing of it i Of course where we have had
townsite lots to sell the ])olicy has been to advertise for tenders. We haven't
any further townsite property except in Cochrane, which we are going to adver-
tise in the middle of Mav.
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Q. — Is the price fixed l>efore yon advertise or when you advertise for
tenders ? Had yon a reserve bid fixed (
A. — Oh, yes ; we always place an npset price.
Q. — Who regnlates the fixing* of an npset price ?
A. — It is a matter of judgment, jirobably h\ the officials of the T. and N". 0.
Q. — Is it done by the T. and X". O. as a matter of policy ?
A.— Oh, yes.
Q. — Then take farm land. You have farm land along the T. and X. O. ?
A. — Xo. We have not. It is all Government land.
Mr. Mageau : That is under the Crown Lands agent ?
A. — Oh, yes. We do not own any lands there.
Mr. Proudfoot : Do you dispose of any land ?
A. — We have about five or six small parcels we got from the Government
for ballast pits and this sort of thing. Outside of that we have nothing to do
with the selling or disposing of lands along the line of our road.
Mr. Chairman : You mean farm land ?
A. — We don't own any.
Mr. Proudfoot: Possibly you don't own any, but do you handle any for
the Government ?
A. — Xo, sir.
Q. — Who handles the freight business — who is general superintendent of
the freight business of the whole system ?
A.— Mr. Parr.
Q. — Where does he live?
A. — At X'orth Bay.
Q. — Has he general supervision over the branches as well as the main line?
A. — Of course. He makes the general freight and passenger rates subject
to the approval of the Commission.
Q. — Who has general control of the handling of the freight? Does it
come under his jurisdiction ?
A. — You mean carrying the freight, handling the freight ?
Q, — I know how that is done, but who has general supervision as far as
the handling of freight is concerned!' Making the rates and giving general
directions ?
A. — There are two different things. The superintendent is the man who
handles freight and the general freight agent is the man who makes the rates.
Q. — The general freight agent is ^Ii-. Parr ^
A.— Yes.
Q. — The rates then are made by Parr ?
A. — Yes, with the approval of the Board and by the Lieutenant-Governor
in Council.
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Q. — Who is tlie superhitendeiit ?
A.— Mr. Griffin.
Q. — Where is he located ?
A.— At North Bay.
Q. — And his duties ?
A. — As superintendent of traffic he is in charge of the traffic of the line.
Q. — When you say line, does that take in the branch lines as well?
A. — Yes. sir.
Q. — He has general charge ?
A. — Yes, over the handling of the business.
Q. — Who is he responsible to ?
A. — To the Commission.
Q. — And does he make his reports to the Commission or to you ? '
A. — Some to the Chairman and some to me.
Q. — What position did Mr. Dane hold?
A. — He was commissioner and land agent.
Q. — Land agent ? That would only apply to the townsites ?
A. — As general land agent Mr. Dane did special work. Mr. Dane, I may
say, during the time he has been on that Commission has* devoted himself to
the colonization of that countrv and he has sacrificed his own interests to do it.
Mr. Mageau : He would be a patriot then ?
A.- — He is. His title is general land agent, but he has been more than
that. He has endeavored to settle that countrv.
Mk. Musgrove: That was his specialty on the Commission.
Mr. Proudfoot : AVho are the others ?
A. — ]\rr. Englehart, Mr. Murphy.
Q. — Then there are Mr. Englehart, Mr. ]\rurphy and ^fr. Dane — who
takes his place ?
A. — Mr. Lee is appointed by Order in Council.
Q. — Who takes Mr. Lee's place ?
A. — The position is abolished.
Q.— What position did he hold ?
A, — General agent.
Q. — What did that cover ?
A. — He adjusted claims, smoothed down everybody.
Q. — Political boss up there, too, wasn't he ?
A. — I don't know anything about that. He was an all round man, an all
round useful man.
Q. — Was he in business himself i
A.— Xo.
Q. — Did he devote all his time to the T. and X. O. ?
A.— Yes, sir.
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Q. — He had his headquarters at North Bay ? •
A.— Yes.
Q. — What salary did he get?
A. — Mr. Lee got last year $2,070.
Q. — What did Mr. Dane get?
A. — Mr. Dane got $1,000 as Commissioner and was provided for to the
extent of $750 for this special work. That is $1,750.
Q.— What did :\Ir. Murphy get ?
A.— Mr. Murphy got $1,000.
Q.— And $750 as well ? '
A.— No.
Q. — And the Chairman ?
A.— $5,000.
Q. — And what will ]\Ir. Lee get in his new position ?
A. — He will get what Mr. Dane got as Commissioner and land agent.
Q. — As one of the other qualifications Mr. Lee had was he president of the
Conservative Association there ?
A. — I do not know.
"Q. — You know nothing about his political affiliations ?
A. — No, sir. That is one of the things I don't bother my head about. I
haven't time.
Mk. Mageau : What portion of the purchased electric railway are you not
using now ? About a mile ?
A. — I think something about that, about a mile. I do not know the exact
distance.
Q. — You mean to say that between Cobalt and New Liskeard you are using
your main lino (
A. — We are using the T. and N. O. main line.
Q. — For how much of that distance are you using the T. and N. O. main
line?
A. — I do not know the exact distance.
Mr. Siiili-ixgtox : They are using about a mile and a half of one track
of the main line.
(
]Mi;. ^Iagkat: The T. and N. O. is double tracked?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You are using the T. and X. O. track only part of the way?
A. — Just part of the way from Ilailfybury to
Q. — You are not usiug entirely tli<' T. mhiI X. (). trnck from ("()l)alt to
New Liskeard (
A.— No.
Q. — How much (
A. — Only part of it. I eaiinot say the distance.
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Mr. Chairman : T suppose that would couie immediately uuder some other
official — the exact distance ?
A. — T do not know the exact distance. We are using part of it.
Mr. Shillington : About a mile and a half.
A. — I think that is about it, about two miles.
Q. — That line is double tracked ?
A.— Oh, ves.
Q. — Couldn't you have run an electric railway there independent of the
existing company if the Commission had wished to ?
A. — I do not understand the question.
Q. — Couldn't you have run an electric railway from Cobalt to Xew Lis-
keard on the T. and X. O. double track without purchasing the local company ?
A. — We could do anything. We could electrify the whole line.
Mr. Chairman : You mean could they run electric cars from Cobalt to
New Liskeard without purchasing the local company, since the tracks were
doubles ?
1
Mr. Magbau : Yes.
Mr. Chairman : Could you establish an electric service between Cobalt
and Xew Liskeard without buying the Xipissing Central line?
Mr. Shillington: At that time the line wasn't double tracked. It was
only a single track road.
Mr. Mageau: Couldn't you electrify that part of the road?
A. — Certainly we could electrify anything.
Mr. McGarry : If you had electrified the road you would not have taken
the trade of the other company ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — You mean you would have to fight tbem for the traffic?
A. — You couldn't have done it. We have been considering for nine years
the electrification of the whole railway.
Mr. Musgrove : Electrifying the main line couldn't have got the busi-
ness of this other road '.
A.— Xo.
Mr. Mageau: How mucli land did you get in purchasing tbe railway?
A. — We got the townsite of Xorth Cobalt ?
Q. — How much land is that?
A. — I do not know the acreage. I should say we have from 2,000 to
2,500 lots.
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Q. — What are the lots selling for ?
A.— $50, $60, $70.
Q. — They are not selling very fast ?
A. — Xot just now. Xo lots are selling very fast up there any place.
Q. — What do you' expect to do with that land ?
A. — Sell it. We would like to sell it just as quick as we can.
Mb. McGarry: Has it proved a good investment?
A. — Yes, sir. I wish I had been in the position to buy it myself for the
price we paid for it.
Q. — What price did you pay ?
A.— $250,000.
Mr. Musgrove : You have got that value in Xorth Cobalt ?
A. — Yes, the people who sold that road were sorry. They say they could
have got $300,000 for it the next day.
Mr. Proudfoot : Who had the railway at that time ? Who were the com-
pany then ?
A. — Well, there was a fellow named Eoss, a fellow named Uttley and two
or three others — I do not remember the names — who were shareholders of the
Xipissing Central.
Q. — Was a transfer of the line made shortly before you purchased ?
A. — Yes, I think there was. Of course we own the stock of the Xipissing
Central now.
Q. — You are not in a position to state what the old company got for its
interest ?
A. — Xo, I do not know anything about it.
^Ii;. ^fcGARRY: When was the line double tracked?
A.^T think it was finished about three years ago.
Mr. Chairman : When did you buy the Xipissing Central? Was it
double tracked when vou bought the Xipissing Central?
A.— Yes.
Mr. "NfrGABBY: This year how much did you earn?
A.— $85,000.
Q.— $86,000 of that was net ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Mr. Proudfoot asked you with reference to freight rates a while ago.
Have you a statement prepared of comparison between the freight rates of the
T. and X". O. and the C. P. P., Grand Trunk and other roads ?
A. — We have, yes. The 1912 annual report will give you some compari-
sons of the rates.
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Q. — As a matter of fact your rates are considerably below the C. P. R.
and G. T. P. for the same mileage l In most cases they are lower and in no
case are they above ?
A. — ]^o, sir.
Q. — You make special arrangements for settlers going in there?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What is the arrangement for settlers' families going in from old
Ontario. What arrangement is made with reference to transporting them?
A. — The settlers get a special rate on a certificate issued by the Depart-
ment here.
Q. — The Department issues a certificate to him and the members of his
family and they take it to the railway station ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And they get a re<luccd transjK)rtation to the point on the T. and I^. O.
where they are going to settle ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Does the T. and X. O. look after the colonization of Xorthern
Ontario?
A. — Yes, that was Mr. Dane's work.
Q. — And you prepared a large number of pamphlets setting forth the
attractiveness of the north, 12,000 of them?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In what district were these phamphlets circulated ?
A. — Throughout Ontario, some in the Old Country, most of them in con-
nection with the demonstration car.
]Mr. ^Iunro : Any of them in the United States ?
A. — Xot a great deal. We have sent them to individuals who make in-
quiries from the United States.
Mr. McGarry: In connection with the demonstration car, wall you ex-
plain to the Committee what is done with reference to the demonstration car?
A. — For the past three years this demonstration car has travelled through-
out Ontario, east, west and south. It has been exhibiting the minerals, cereals,
roots, vegetables and fruits of Xorthern Ontario. I may say that as a result
of that travelling through the Province last year we had as many as 500 letters
from different people asking about conditions and wanting to settle in Xorthern
Ontario. We have had more than 100 letters in the office from different parties
as far south as Texas and as far west as Vancouver inquiring about Xorthern
Ontario.
Q. — You have had inquiries from the Xorth-west ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — This demonstration car goes all over Old Ontario ?
A. — AVe try to get to parts where we think people are not doing well and
would like to settle in the Xorth. places where the land is not good and the
people want to get out.
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Q. — Before the car p:oes to these jioints you advertise ?
A. — Yes. We try to advertise in the local papers.
Mr. Chairman : You try to induce people to go to Northern Ontario
instead of the J^Torthwest ?
A. — That is the idea, yes. I might say that the Commissioner had a man
in the office the other day who went up there last year. He took up a section
of land and did so well, that he came in and showed a list of eighteen others
he is taking up next month to take up sections around hina.
Mr. Munro : Where do they come from ?
A. — Toronto.
Mr. Munro: I do not see much in taking them from one county to
another.
Mr. McGarry: But you are taking these from the city and putting them
in the country.
Mr. Hartt : These men are from Toronto.
'Mr. MrNRo:' You have hit the bell for once. Do you think it would be
a good policy to send it do"wn to the United States ? To Michigan and
Wisconsin ?
A. — It might be.
]\rR. Proudfoot : Have you ever had it outside the Province ?
A. — Xo, it has never been outside Ontario.
Mr. Hartt: Isn't it the intention of the Department to put on another
car ? T heard talk about another car.
A. — I have not heard about it.
Mr. Chairman: You put this car out annually?
A. — Yes. at least for the last three years.
Q. — With that car do you send an expert ?
A. — Yes, we send two lecturers.
Mr. Hartt: Have you land guides to go out with the settlers?
A. — We have, yes. Mr. Lee is one, Mr. Palmer is another, we have at
Englehart, and we have a man named Baldry at Cochrane.
Hon. Dr. Reaume : You have men for that purpose ?
A. — Oh. yes.
George Y. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 163
Mr. Musgrove: You sell the land at half a dollar an acre?
A. — We don't own any land.
^Ir. Chairman: You mean Government land ?
A. — I think that is 50 cents an acre.
^[r. Prolt)FO()t: T understood you had nothing to do with selling land,
but you seem to have a department to look after it.
A. — We are interested in the settlement of the country. Where a man
wants to settle and has little time to look about and doesn't know where to go
we have people there to help him.
Q. — Are they connected with the road or with the Department ?
A. — We have people to assist in that.
Mr. Chairman : You spoke of Mr. Lee, Mr. Palmer and Mr. Baldry.
Those are the men you have there?
A.. — Yes. They are our own men.
Q. — Have the Department their own men ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — A^ou co-operate ?
v.— Yes.
Mr. Hartt : A^ou have men in these different centres who go out and show
the settlers where the land is ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — It doesn't cost the settler anything, does it?
A. — Xot a cent.
Q. — You have also provided in some of these places lodgings for prospec-
tive settlers '.
A. — \"es, we have lodgings.
Q. — T understand that at Englehart you have a place?
A. — Yes. we keep settlers there overnight.
Q. — Tt doesn't cost him anything?
A. — Xo. nothing.
Q. — The settler can get a good night's lodging for nothing?
A.— l^es.
Q. — Is there any danger of a settler going astray up there ? He is shown
aroiiiid ami shown the best j)hice to located'
A. — We have done more than that. We have helped needy settlers nn
there.
^Ir. C'liAimiAx: How do you mean ?
A. — Some fellows are given a little money to help them along for a few
days until they get on their feet. We help them to get positions. There wa-"
a man u]) there the other day was u]) against it. and we helped hirr! <^
n— ...A.
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finaucially and got him a position. The only trouble was that he didn't want
to work, and we made him work. We told him that we would put him out
of the countrv if he didn't work. Xow he is working.
!Mr. Pkoudfoot: Why did such a useful uian as Mr. Dane resign?
A. — I do not know. I know that Mr. Dane while on the Commission,
and the time he has devoted toward the work of the Commission and settle-
ment and everything has seriously interfered with his own private business. I
know that for an actual fact.
Q. — Had he a business outside of that ?
A.— Mr. Dane ?
Q.— Yes.
A.— Oh, yes.
Mr. Chairman: He was a manufacturer's agent.
Mr. Peoudfoot: Then he didn't devote his whole time to the service of
the Commission 'I
A. — I said he devoted too much time. He hurt his own business.
Mr. Hartt : How long has ^Ir. Lee been connected with the T. and N. O.
Railway ?
A. — Pretty near nine years.
Q. — He was a resident of that country all the time?
A. — He was a resident of that country long before he was with us.
Q. — He should have a fairly good idea of that country ?
A. — T do not think there is anyone has a better idea of that countrv than
^fr. Lee. lie is known from one end of the country to the other. T do not
think there is a ])erson in the north conntrv any Ix'ttci- inforniiMl than be is.
^Ik. McGarry : A good deal of lii> duties in tbe country were in contact
with settlers ?
A.— Yes.
^Ii;. TIak'i r: lie seems to be hiiilily tbou^lit of in that country. They
elected him as mayoi- for two terms in Xoi-tli liay.
A.— Oh. yes. He is a very ])o]»nl;ii' man.
Mi;. .M< (Jaki;v: ^'on take out a large (piantity (»f ])nl|>\voo(b do you know
just what (|uantity. Have you any statement of that i
A. — T can tell you that during March we took out 11,0((() cords.
Q. — 11,000 cords from the settlers?
A.— Yes.
O. — When the -errler- settle on rlie liiinl they \iv\ the ptilpwoud free? No
dues are charged ?
A. — I do not think so, no dues except on pine.
George V. APPENDIX ^^o. 1. 165
Q. — The rpduetion of rates on the difFcvont products of the settlers up
there would help to reduce the earnings of the road?
A. — Certainly. We do not make any money on pulpwood. We are haul-
ing it as low as half a cent a ton a mile. There is no revenue in that for anyone.
!Mr. Chairman: Is it the policy to ojx'rate along the line of a colonization
road ?
A. — That is our idea.
Q. — Tt isn't a question of making it jiav, nothing of that kind?
K.—^o.
Q. — It is a question of developing the country?
A. — That has been the object of the Commission.
Me. Hartt : If a settler wishes to go up into that country what steps does
he have to take to take advantage of this reduced rate ?
A. — He comes up to the director of colonization.
Q. — In the Department here ?
A. — Yes, and when he satisfies them that he is a prospective settler or that
he is a settler, and give him a certificate which entitles him to a reduced rate
on himself and family and his effects. He can get it by letter. They will'
send a form and affidavit to him. I think that is the procedure.
Mr. Etlber: That reduced rate applies to the Grand Trunk and C. P. R.
as well as the T. and IST. O. ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Would that rate be two cents a mile ?
]\rR. ^McGarry : It is about half.
]\Ir. Musgrovk: A twcnty-iive cent rate \\e will get for abnut fifteen.
That is about the way it runs.
^Mr. Mc'Garry : Ho yon know anything about the work of the Jackson
Company"^ Ho you know anything about what they are doing with those
townships ? ^
A. — Xothing further than that they arc clearing up a good bit of puljiwood.
Q. — You don't know anything about the settlers ?
A.— Xo.
Mr. Proudfoot : That is on the Transcontinental, a good distance away
from you ?
A.— Yes.
]Mr. McGarky: Mr. Proudfoot was asking you about the branch lines —
Porcupine is 3'] miles?
A.— Yes.
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Q.— And Klk Lake?
A. — ~-'>y2 miles.
Q. — Kerr Lake is four miles, how long is the Abitibi ?
A. — That is abont seven miles.
Q. — It is not poni]>leted yet?
A.^ — Not yet.
Q. — Is there any freight of consequence coming out?
A. — There is no freight coming out.
Q. — How do you get machinery in ?
A. — Over our branch there. We ran a branch from Porquois -Tunction
info Iroquois Falls.
Q. — As soon as it is ready for operation you will get freight ?
A. — They s'ay they will give us more traffic than any other place in the
North.
Q. — What is the capacity of the operations there ?
A. — I cannot tell you that. I haven't the figures.
Q. — What is the length of that line?
A. — About seven miles.
Q. — When was it completed ?
A. — That was completed last October or Xo\eniber.
Q. — Do you know what it cost?
A. — Up to the end of October we spent $1 Or). 000.
Q. — Through what kind of country docs that go ^
A. — Through very favorable country.
Q. — For settlement ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Air. ProndftMit asked ymi altnui the T. and X. ( ). subsidy, 'i'iiat
ai)plication was made by the Govcrnnicnt to the l)i>niini»in (iovcrnnicnt ^
A. — Yes.
Q. — The a]>plicatinn didn't an in fnnii the ( 'oimiiission alone?
A.— Oh, no.
Q. — The application was made by the Governnicnr ^
A.— A^es.
Q. — A^ou wonldn't receive that as a ( "uniniission ?
A. — We didn't receive it.
Q. — Tt was received l)y the Ooxci-nnient '.
A.—Yoii.
Q. — That ani(.niii<Ml i., .^2.1(10.000^
A.— A^es.
Q. — T snj)pose you have a record of llic apiilication that was made wiicn
the road was being built l»y the (dd Oovci'miicni. \'oii haxc a rccdi'd in tlie
Commission there ?
A. — 1 dare say we have.
George V. APPE:N'D1X l^o. 1. 167
Q. — Yon. oi ('(311 rse, wouldn't receive the $2,100,000 that came to the
Government ?
Q.— I was afraid Mr. Prondfoot wonld misunderstand. I jnst wanted
to clear that up.
]\Ik. 1*]joui)FOot: Oh, no, I didn't.
]\Ii{. ITaktt : Tn connection with the Earlton-Elk Lake proposition, I un-
derstood it wasn't a paying proposition. The Commission didn't expect that
small line wonld pay if left alone to itself, for some time at least?
A. — Of course you know no railway branch line is supposed to be a pay-
ing proposition except as a feeder to the main line.
Q. — That particular line is more of a colonization proposition than any-
thing else ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — It was built in to open up the country ?
A. — Yes, and it is a splendid country, none better.
Mr. Proudfoot: Are settlers going in there now?
A. — T couldn't say, off hand. I know a great number of settlers in there
have gone iii the last two years.
Q. — You said something about a large amount of pulpwood that was
being got out by the settlers. Was it all got out by settlers ?
A. — I know one man has got a contract for 150,000 ties and he has to
take them out on the Elk T>ake branch.
Q. — That is not all from his own land?
A. — Xo. he is taking it from the settlers.
Q. — Isn't the Spanish River Company doing some cutting on their limits ?
A. — Yes. they have some pulpwood there.
Q. — They ship it out by your line ?
A.— Yes.^
Mr. Hartt: When we were discussing that Earlton to Elk Lake line
last year, we were given to understand that line was useless, that it was a poor
proposition and that there was no possible chance of settlement in there at all.
A. — Well, I do not know. I was in there last December and I saw two
men plowing in a back field, one man cutting grass in a field.
Q. — Was that Xovember or December ?
A. — Xovember, that is right.
Mr. Clarke: It doesn't say the whole character of the land is a good
class for settlers, if I find two men in a field, one plowing and one cutting
grass. That is no argument.
A. — It is the finest piece of country around there.
168 APPEXDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Mr. jMaokai': What would be the rate from station to station on lumber,
say from Widditield to Temagami ?
A. — For iii-t;iiie(\ we are shipping pulpwood
Q. — But outside of pulpwood?
A. — T don't know that there is any difference
Q.^ — The standard rate is that on a shipment from Toronto to Cochrane
for instance —
A. — Flat rates are all governed by classification except what are called
community rates.
Q. — Take a rate to a settler from Englehart to Cochrane and from Ham-
ilton or anywhere else to Cochrane would the same basis of rate apply accord-
ing to mileage ?
A. — Do you mean special rates ? .
Q.— Yes!
A. — Well, now, [ don't know what you are getting at but I do not think a
tnan is entitled to a settler's rate from Englehart to Cochrane.
Q. — Say a merchant ships from Englehart to Cochrane, what basis would
that come under ?
A.— Under a local rate.
Q. — That is much higher than a general rate ?
A. — That is based on mileage.
Q. — It would 1)0 higher than through rates?
A.— Yes.
AFr. ('uAiK'ArAx : Local rates are always higher than other rates.
^lii. ]\lA(;KAr : Do you know what the rate would be on a case of dry goods
from Englehar.t to Cochrane?
A. — I cannot tell that.
^Ir. Chaii.'max: You would have to turn up the regular tariffs.
A. — If I hnd the tariffs I could tell you. I am not general freight and
passenger agent. I have enough to worry me.
Mr. Haktt: How many centres of colonization have you there?
A. — Starting at North Bay there is ^Mr. Lee, Mr. Palmer is at Englehart
and Mr. Haldry at Cochrane.
Mr. Chairman: You wouldn't have one at every little town along the
line?
A. — Every one of our agents is a colonization agent.
Mr. Musgrove: Do you get any mineral from Elk Lake?
A. — Some of it.
aeor<ie V. APPEXDIX Xo. 1. 169
Hox. Mk. Hkndjmk: Kvcrv station aiicnr is bound to give information
— (lon't you issue statements iiixiuii trade intoniiation, places to locate, business
oj)[)f)rtunitie.-i, etc. ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Wbere does that "o to ?
A. — That is distributed all over the country. They are sent to the (Jrand
'rruid< stations, tlie ))a|)ers. boards of trade.
(.}. — Your station auents <>ive yon that information?
A. — We conij)ile it from what records we can get at.
^Ik. IIautt: Do you notice many settlers moving ont of that country^
A. — They never nuive out once they get there.
Mk. McGahkv: I was asking you about the Abitibi pnlp ])lant. do you
know the capacity of it 'f
A. — Xo, I don't, sir. I cannot tell you that.
Q. — Do you know what territory they have ?
A. — I do not.
{}. — They are developing a water power there ?
A.— Oh, yes.
Q. — How many men can they employ ?
A. — I cannot say.
Q. — You are not familiar with that ?
A. — Xo. I know they are talking pretty big.
Q. — What about a townsite there ?
A. — At Iroquois Falls ?
Q.— Yes.
A. — I believe they have a townsite there ?
Q. — Have you any townsite there?
A. — We have at what was formerly Iroquois Falls, it is Porquois Junc-
tion now. The post office people suggested that particular name, it is sup-
posed to be a combination of Porcupine and Iroquois.
]\Ir. Chairmax: Before you built the branch in there I suppose repre-
sentations were made by the company as to the prospective development and
the amount of business to be had ? There must have been something like that ?
A. — The branch would not have been built unless we had had a pretty good
assurance that there would be business.
Q. — What sort of country is it?
A. — Good country, good clay country.
Witness was then excused.
Mr. John H. Jackson, called and sworn.
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]\rR. IJowMAx: What is your position, ^Ir. Jackson?
A. — 1 am superintendent of the system, civil engineer.
Q. — In connection with what?
A. — The Victoria Xiagara Falls Park Commission.
Q. — How long have you occupied that position ?
A. — I was temporarily appointed in lllO>^, in June, 1908. I was per-
manently appointed in June, 1909.
Q. — You are conversant with matters from there with reference to what
we are inquiring into ?
A. — The boulevard ?
Q. — Yes, the boulevard.
A. — Yes, although some part of it was started before I was with them.
Q. — Have you the contract? entered into for the purposes of that boulevard?
A. — Yes, sir ; will you take that up seriatum ? Section 1 A is the first one.
Q. — Was that by tender ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Who were the tenderers '(
A. — The tenders are here.
Q. — What was the lowest amount ?
A. — T think if T refer to the minute book I will get that better. The
tenders are Breen and Bedford. $14,785 ; J. Battle, $19,000 ; George A. Beggy,
$12,494; Queenston Quarry Company and T. E. Ferris, $12,987; Durham
Barbeau, $1.5,480 ; Gordon T. Jennings, $24,626.
Q. — Which of these tenderers was the contract let to ?
A. — It was finally let to the Queenston Quarry Company and T. E. Ferris
at $12,987. That requires to be gone into. There was an order of the Board
that the superintendent should look into the responsibility of the lowest tender,
George A. Beggy. I did so, and reported to the Chairman that he was not
responsible, that he was not particularly responsible, and furthermore I found
that he had made a mistake in his tender. He was in a section where there was
an enormous cut, eight thousand cubic feet, he did not estimate the amount
rightly and wished to be relieved.
Q. — Did he comply with the regulations ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — And they decided to let him out ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q.— It was a matter of $500, a little less than $500 ?
A.— Yes, $493.
Mr. McGarry: He wished to be relieved. He made an error in his
tender ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Proudfoot : Who is Mr. Beggy ? Where is he from ?
A. — I think he was from St. Catharines, yes, George A. Beggy, St.
Catharines.
George V. APPENDIX X.,. 1. 171
Q. — Did the fiviii t]i;it ror'oiv(^(l rlic conn-iici cari'v diir the work ^
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Were tliere any extra- (
A. — 1 can look tliat up,
Q. — Well. l(>a\(' tliar jii.st for a iiininciit.
A. — Speakiiiii' iicncrallv. I can ?^a_v there were some extras.
Q. — What was the lenath. the length in feet of this contract?
A. — 4,();37 lineal feet.
Q. — What is the whole length of the boulevard *
A. — The whole length from Xiagara Falls to Bridgebnrg — that i- wh^re
we built from — is IS^z-o miles.
Q. — Xow take section one — what is the next one ?
A. — 1 V), that passes through Chippewa.
Q. — Who are the contractors there ?
A.— Xo. 1 B, H. A. Campagne & Co., $8,050.'
Q. — Who compose that company ?
A. — Tt is composed of H. A. Cam])agne, William Ward, John Ward. Wil-
liam Tapper and Charles Lobb, trading under the firm name of H. Campagne
& Company; then "Ferris & Lowry, $9,175; Eower Citu Stone Com])any. $10,-
391.05. The contract was let to the II. A. Canxpagiie Company.
Q. — And did they carry out the work i
A. — Yes, sir. Xow these were all taken together. The contractors were
the lowest tenderers on each section, or taking on the four or three or what-
ever you wish to. The tenders were: E. D. Lowry and T. E. Ferris for section
2 A, $32,426.68 ; the same contractors for Xo. 2 B, $35,823.26 ; then H. A.
Campagne C^o., 2 A and 2 B, $66,950; Xo. 3 A, E. D. Lowry and T. E. Feris,
$18,685.81 ; for the same section. Cook and Menzie, $13,518.86; No. 3 B, E. D.
Lowry and T. E. Ferris, $19,061.13; for the same section. Cook and ^Melville,
$13,210.65; for 3 A and 3 B. one lump sum tender. Upper and Lobb, $37,107;
lump sum for the whole four sections together Lowry and Ferris, $101,178.83.
Q. — The tender was let to the lowest tenderer ?
A, — Yes. if you go through them it shows $66,950 is the lowest, that is
a combination of 2 A and 2 B. The others went to Cook and Menzie, whose
separate tenders are the lowest for these two.
Q. — Who actually got the contract '.
A. — H. A. Campagne got 2 A and 2 B, they were the lowest tenderers;
3 A and 3 B went to Cook and ]\Ienzie, the lowest again.
Q. — Did these men carry out these contracts ?
A, — Yes, sir.
Q. — Did H. A. Campagne have charge of the work himself, or his firm.
A. — These men were on the work.
Q. — Was William Ward on the work ?
A. — Yes, sir.
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Q. — Did he live in St. Catharines ?
A. — Xo, Xiagara Palls.
Q. — How about Upper '(
A. — He was on the work. He lives in St. Catharines.
Q.— And Lobb.
A, — He was on the work.
Q.— And John Ward ?
A. — T don't know whether John Ward was on the work or not.
Q. — They were on the work looking after it ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Were Cook and ^lenzie on the work on their particular section?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Do Cook and Menzie reside in St. Catharines?
A. — Xo, both reside in Xiagara Falls.
Q. — On the Canadian side ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — T forgot to ask von before: what was the length of those; give us them
separately.
A.— Xo. 2 A and 2 B have a total length of 29,100 lineal feet, Xo. 3 A
and •'. B have a total length of 16,700 feet. . . . Xow, we come to 4 A,
H. A. Campagne and Company, $7,195 ; T. E. Ferris and E. D. Dowry, $9,859 ;
Power City Stone Company, $6,947; Cooke and Menzie, $7,847. The con-
tra-t was let to the Power City Strne Company for $6,947.
Q. — And the number of feet ?
A.— 1,637 feet.
Q. — Where is the Power City Stoiio Cnni])any located?
0. — Its office is in Xiagara Falls.
Q, — Who are the officers of it?
A.- J. H. Sims and Kobin Boyle, secretary.
Q. — They carried that out ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Who had charge of that work for the Company?
A. — I think ^Ir. Boyle was there and a foreman.
Q. — Mr. Boyle carried that out, wdth a foreman with him. Was Sims
there (
A. — I think not.
Q. — Where is Sims living?
A. — At Xiagara Falls.
Q. — That contract was carried through?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Then give me the next one.
A. — X'"o. 4 B is the next one, the shipyard section ; The Queenston Quarry
Company, $15,520; Cook and Menzie, $13,387.17; Power City Stone Com-
pany, $13,795. The contract was let to the Power City Stone Company.
George V. APPKXDIX Xo. 1. 173
Q.— I see there is r).lS2 feet in that?
A.— Ye?.
Q. — That i? the same Company?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Who. had charge of the work for this Company ?
A. — The same men as formerly.
Q. — ^Ir. Boyle and a foreman?
A. — Yes.
Mb. McGarky : T notice there the contract was not given to the lowest
tender. Having regard to the experience of the Commission as to the ability
of the contractors to faithfully carry out the work, the lowest tenders were
followed in the entire contract ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Cook and ^Menzie were the lowest tender ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Did the Power City Stone Company carry out their contract?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — And the next.
A. — The next is No. 4; a tender was received from John Pirson. That
tender was thrown out because the cheque was not certified. That was $29,856,
with an uncertified cheque.
Q. — The cheque being uncertified, did von disregard his tender?
A.— Yes.
Q. — It wasn't considered at all ?
A. — Xo, sir. Then the Queenston Quarry Company and Thomas Emery,
$34,950 ; Upper and Lobb, $32,500 ; H. D. Sims, $33.500 ; James Arnold and
Son. cost plus — that wasn't considered at all. Upper and Lobb were given the
contract.
Q. — They carried the work through . . . 14,200 feet?
A. — Yes.
Me. McGarrv: That was the lowest tender?
j\Ir. Proudfoot: That is, eliminating Pirson?
Mr. CHATR:\rAx: That tender was not in accordance with the require-
ments ?
Mr. Proudfoot : Where was Pirson from ?
A. — Stevensville.
Q. — Did you make any effort to get him to complete his tender ?
A. — !N'o. The commissioners felt he was not a responsible man to carry
out the contract. He had had a contract to build a small shelter at Fort Erie,
and they had a great deal of trouble with him, and they considered he was
not responsible.
Q. — That is about two and three-quarter miles, representing about $12,000
a mile ?
A. — Yes, sir.
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Q- — J ^li<l not notice that with the others yon had the mileage put in.
Is that the only oue yon worked out that way?
A. — "^ es, sir. That broni>ht np the question as to the advance in cost;
sections 1 and 2 came u]) to $S.(^)00, this was brouoht up to $12,000 a mile.
'Mn. !McGakky: The work wasn't uniform at all?
Mr Chaik.ma.n : That dilfcrenee led you to examine into it ^
A. — Yes, sir.
Mr, Proudfoot: With regard to this Upper. Do you say he was on the
work himself?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q.— All the time ?
A. — Practically, yes, sir.
Q.— And Lobb? '
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — They took charge of the contract themselves and w^orked on there ?
A. — Yes, sir. I do not mean they worked at it every day.
Q. — Xo, but they were in charge of their .own work?
A. — They were in responsible charge of the work and were on the work.
Q. — Xow, take the next one.
A. — The next is bridges.
Q. — These are all for bridges ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Take the four contracts you have already- given me. That covers the
boulevard proper ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — That covers fifteen and a half miles of roadway ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And the other contracts relate only to bridges. Who had the c<)ntract
Por the bridges ?
A. — Rutherford and Patton.
Mr. ^IcGarry : The lowest tenderers ?
A. — They were the lowest in each case on the five bridges and the total
was the lowest $23,865.
Mr. Proudfoot: They were the lowest tenderers?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And was the contract awarded to them ?
A. — Yes, sir, and they, carried it out.
Q. — You told me you were going to tell me what extras there were. Take
those contracts in connection with the boulevard outside the bridges — I do not
want you to look that up at the present time —
A. — The notice T had, spoke specifically of the payment of $125,106. The
tenders were completed by that payment.
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^[r. C'I^AII^^rA^" : Yon conld jn"e])aro a statement?
A. — T C'onkl have got that information if I liad known von wanted ir.
^Ir. Protdfoot: V\i to tliis report of llMl. had fhev linished rlic work?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Did tliev tini-h within the lime |tro\ided for nnder the contract?
A. — Xo, sir. Xot in ;iny ease did they actnally come within the time.
And in some cases there was considerahle delay.
Q. — Were extras paid (tn each one of the contracts?
A. — Yes, sir. T think that in each ease thei-e was a small anionnt of
extras.
ls\\x. ^IcGarrv: Did yon vary the specifications?
A. — We made s])eeifications for each one because of the difference in the
contracts. Onr contracts were all based on what we call the unit figure. Per-
ha|)s T can illustrate. In each case we gave the contractor a quantity sheet to
lud ui)on. That was the basis of the quantities in the contracts. These quan-
tities were varied to some extent afterwards.
^Ir. Chair^iax : They were estimates as near as you could get them at
the time. What you refer to as extras were extras made in that way?
. A.— Yes.
jMr. Peoudfoot: Was the price at which the contract was awarded in-
creased by extra work?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Under the contract price.
A. — Yes, for instance, '' 86 lineal feet of 8-inch tile " that maybe went
to 100 feet.
ITox. Di;. Tv KA r:\n-. : The extra amount was paid in accordance with the
contracr lu-iee ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Take this section I. The price was $:12.r)()0. How much more than
this $;12..")00 did these contractors receive?
A. — T cannot tell that, at the moment.
Q. — Did they receive more than that amount?
A. — T think they did. yes, sir.
^li.'. ^I( Garry: Tf they did they earned it?
A. — Oh. yes. Everything is based on the prices. With that particular
one T think T can show you the amount that actually was paid. . . . The
amount of extras was $2,128.4r>.
Q, — That is the amount of extras ?
A. — That is the final amount. As extras became due they were settled
up month by month. The total amount of that contract was ^i^.tX'H.
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]Mk, CiiAiuMAx: $;5LMMt() was the (iriuinal roiitraet ?
Mr. Profdfoot: $32,500.
Hox. T)r. Reaume: Every bit of the extras can be accounted for?
A. — Yes, every bit. . . . 1 didn't realize, Mr. Prondfoot, that that
was what yon wanted. These were turned in to our inspector on the job and
certified by him before the extras were paid.
Q. — TMio was in cliarge of the work. Take for instance section 4 — for
the Commission ?
A. — W. L. Malcomson and James Hearn was the inspector under him.
Q. — Did rhcy cover more territory than section No. 4?
A. — At that time we had no other work on. When we had other work
on they would cover more. At that particular time we only had that one con-
tract going.
Mr. McGarrv : In addition to being api)roved by Mr. Malcomson and
Mr. Hearn these extras had to pass you ?
A. — Yes, I was in general charge.
Mr. Proudfoot : You ordered all these extras ?
A. — Oh, yes.
Q. — Before they were gone on with ?
A.— Oh, yes.
Q.— The total amount paid would be $2,061.02?
A. — Yes, the lowest estimates in each case. We balance up the estimate
and show what they were in each case.
Mr. Chairman: You could tell whether there was 20 feet of tile more
here or a deej)er excavation there or anything else?
A. — :Yes. Each extra as ])ai(l is (lctail('(l in this way. It would show
exactly what it was for.
Mr. PiiorDEooT: Vou could make out a statement and send it in showing
this in connection with the other contracts?
A. — Yes, sir. You want to know what was paid im each contract, includ-
ing the contract ])rice and extras. Do you wani the iletails of the extras?
Q. — No. just the liniiji -mils, 'i'lie detail- — I Would not l)e any wiser
if 1 had them.
A. — They were ])aid fi-oiii nionth to inontli.
Q. — Take the whole boulevard work — Have you an estimate showing
what the original cost was expected to \)v (
A. — The original cost was based upon an eiitii-ely ditfei-ent !)asis to which
it was constructed, if that is what vou mean.
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Q. — You ehaiiiicd it ?
A. — Thev had been talking of this project long before I came, for years
and years, they had made some expenditure in protecting the shore, had
purchased some land where land was washed away. The original idea was
simply to make a turn|)ikc road. They had an estimate for that. I do not
know what it would run to. It would run a great deal less.
Q. — You can show by what amount each contract exceeded the price it
was let at ?
A. — ^'cs, sir.
Q. — Another question, what amount did you pay over to the Government
last year ?
A. — Nothing, sir.
Q. — Nothing at all ?
v.— No, sir,
Q. — Or the year before i
A. — No, sir, or the year before.
i}. — What means of income has the Commission ?
A. — The Commission has certain franchises which they let and obtain
certain revenue from, and they have been permitted under the Act to take
revenues from the power companies.
Q. — That is, you get a revenue from these sources ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — What is that revenue used for?
A. — It is used first for the ])ayment of interest and debentures, it is used
secondly for the maintenance of the park; for the ujikeeji and the works that
have been constructed. Third it is used for betterment or cai)ital account.
Q. — Have you anything at capital account, anything now in cash ^
A. — It is Udt (lone in that way, sir.
Q. — Had you any cash on hand at the end of the fiscal year I
A.— Yes, sir, we had $58,000 on hand.
Q. — Had all the receipts u]) to that time been used for the purposes you
have just mentioned?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — So that no portion of the money received from the sources you have
referred to was handc^l over to the CJovernnient. bur was all applied for park
purjioses ?
A. — Yes, sir, nothing was turned over to the Government.
Q. — Nothing at all (
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Yon still have about $58,000 on hand I
\. — Yes, sir. I think probably you should go into that matter deeper.
There is an outstanding matter in connection with the power company rentals,
if you want to ha\e this coni])lete, should be s])oken of. There are contracts
with the power eoni])anies that call for certain sl(H'])ing rentals, fixed rentals,
whether the coiii])ani(s generate or not they i>ay. Two ))ay $15,000 whether
ITS APPEXDIX Xo. 1. 19U
they develop or not, one pays $30,000 whether they generate or not.
With those sleeping- rentals goes a certain amount of power. The com-
panies paying $15,000 a year are permitted to generate 10,000 horse-
power without any additional charge. But they have to pny whether
they generate or not. The company that pays $30.00() may generate up
to 20.000 horse-power without any additional rental. After that there i>
a sliding scale. For the first ten thousand it figures out at a dollar a horse-
power a year, the next ten thousand 75 cents a horse-power a year, after that
50 cents per hor^e-jiower per year. Xow in the contract it isn't quite plain —
we think it is ]ilain, but they do not think it is — as to how the power is to he
measured. They say it is on an average basis. That is, they take the number
of horse-power hours generated in a year and divide it by the number of
hours operated in a year, and they call that the average horse-power. That
is what they say they must pay a rental on. We say that isn't the method at
all. We say they should pay on the peak load, that when they make a certain
peak that is what they must pay on. If they generate 45,000 horse-power then
they can never get lielow that. They have to keep it up to that. This case
has been stated between the Attorney-General and the Xiagara Falls Power
Company as a test case. Of that $58,000, $55,000 was a payment made on
the 29th of December last year by the Canadian Xiagara Power Company,
which was beaten at the Privy Council, in liquidation of that amount against
it. The other two companies have not settled their arrears yet, although it is
a considerable amount.
Q. — Ts the income you derive sufficient to keep the park uj).
A. — Do you exclude the power companies in that question or include
them ?
(}. — Include them.
A. — There is the ]tark j>roject — or do you mean sini]dy maintenance (
Q.— Yes.
A. — A park ])roject to be really a ])ark ])rojoct. one this country will be
proud rif and should be proud of, I would say it would be no more than enough.
P.ut you cannot go to sleep on the job and not have any betterment. You have
to gY» forward with improvements because parks are being improved more
rapidly than a great many other things. You have to have improvements that
were never thought of a great many years ago. Having regard to the develop-
ment of the system, it wouldn't. If it is simply maintenance you would have
to do with, the revenue might i»rovide some little excess.
Q. — Are all these franchises you spoke of directly under the control of
the Park Commission ?
A. — Yes, the contracts are between the Commission and the companies
with the approval of the Government.
Q. — Does the Government derive any revenue from any of these sources i*
A. — They haven't up to the present.
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Q. — Have you had any (leinaiul from them (
A. — Yes, under the Act they have a right to any excess of revenue which
shall be paid into consolidated revenue fund.
Q. — Has any been paid over in that way?
A. — Xo. sir, I told yon that.
(Witness excused).
^Tr. P.vri. MoRAxi). oallofl and sworn:
Mr. Powmax: Mr. Morand, I understand you are license inspector for
Xorth Essex '.
A.— Yes.
Q. — How Iniio- have you occupied that position?
A.— Since 1005.
Q. — What are your duties in connection with that position?
A. — ]\ry duties are to ins]>ect the hotels, make reports to the License
Commissioners, attend the meetinprs as secretary of the board, lay complaints
against hotelkeepers breaking the law, the license law.
Q. — Can you give me an idea of how many complaints you have laid
during the last year or during your term of office (
A. — I would have to look up the books. During the past year I have
tried 29 cases.
Q. — How many convictions ?
A. — Xineteen convictions.
Mr. Chaiemax : That is a pretty good record.
Mr. Bowmax: How many licensed hotels have you in your district?
A. — I think 38, one shop license. The rest tavern licenses.
Q. — Your district includes the city of Windsor, Walkerville and Sand-
wich?
A. — Xo Xorth Essex takes in Anderdon, Sandwich West, Sandwich East,
Sandwich South, Maidstone, Rochester, Tilbury Xorth, Belle River Village
and Ford City village.
Q. — There are separate inspectors there?
A. — There is one for the city district.
Q. — Have you had any convictions against Joe Mantais ?
A. — He was up last year. He has sold out his place, and his license dis-
posed of.
Q. — He was there previous to last year?
A. — Yes.
Q. — During your incumbency of office have you had prosecutions against
this man ?
A. — I think he was fined once.
Q. — Could you give me an idea of what year ?
A. — Xo, I could not.
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Q. — Did von over have a prosecution against a man bv the name of
Wolff?
A. — Yes.
Q.— What year ?
A. — 1 do not remember. If I knew you wanted that I would have
brought my books. 1 think on two occasions since I became inspector.
Hon. Dr. Reaume: As a matter of fact he has been out of business for a
year or two.
A. — He has been out of business for five years.
Q. — Since you have been inspector he has been in business ?
A. — Yes, during my term of ofiice he was in the business.
Q. — For about five years of that time he was in business ?
A. — Yes, about five years.
Q. — I notice that a question was asked in the House in regard to the
license inspector of North Essex, and the answer was : " The inspector is
Paul Morand, appointed December 29th, 1905. He never applied for or bor-
rowed money for himself personally since he has been inspector." Have you
applied for money for any purpose other than your own — personally ?
A. — The company I was interested in borrowed money from two hotel-
keepers.
Q. — What kind of a company ?
A. — A canning company — canning factory.
Mr. Chairman : The company you were in ?
A. — Yes. I never had to aj^ply for or never got a loan from any hotel-
keeper. The company I was interested in did.
Q. — What position did you occupy ?
A. — I was president of the company.
Q. — Where was it located ?
A.- — One at McGregor and one at Cotton.
Q. — Did you say this company borrowed money from two licensed hotel-
keepers ?
A. — Yes, and from many others — farmers and others. There were two
licensees.
Me. McGarry : Has it been paid back ?
A.— Yes.
Me. Chairman : It was a temporary loan for the business ?
A. — It was, yes.
Me. Bowman : The money was borrowed ?
A. — Yes, we borrowed about $20,000 from private individuals, froin
different parties, farmers and others, and they got a loan from two licensees
of $1,000 each.
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Q. — Who were these licensed hotel-keepers 'i
A. — Wolf Gaugfeller aud i'red J. Kirsch.
jVlit. Chairman : The company got a thousand each from them.
Me. Bowman : What security did you give them 'i
A. — A note.
Q. — Did you pay interest i
A.— Yes.
Q. — Did you sign the note as president^
A. — No, 1 signed the note just as an individual.
Q. — You didn't give the company's note. You gave your own individual
note i
A. — Y'es. The directors signed the note and 1 signed it.
Me. Chairman : I suppose the borrowers would not accept the company's
note and required the personal security of the individual directors ?
A.— Y^es.
y^n. 'Row:\rAT: Did \hh rnmmitteo horrow money from thi? inan
Joseph Mantais ?
A. — Y^es, hnt he wasn't a licensee at the time.
Q.— How about Wolff?
A. — He was a licensee, yes, Wolff and Kirsch.
Q. — ]*ro'l)abl,v Wolff' and Kirsch are the same men I am inquiring f^'^^^t
Hox. 7)iv'. Kkaimk: Yes, the name is Wolff Gangfeller.
^.In. P)Ow:\iAx: What lono-th of time did you have this money from these
licensed hotel-keepers ?
A. — Tn one place two months; — that was Kirsch.
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— Was the note ])ai(l in full at that time, when it became due?
— Y^es.
— By whom ?
— Tt was paid by the company.
— The individual notes were paid back?
— The other note was paid by one of the directors himself.
- — You are confident that these are all the moneys borrowed from the
1 hotel-koenors — for the benefit of this company?
— Yes.
— Who neo'otiated the loan ?
— Tt was the vice-president of the company and the secretary.
— What had you to do with g-etting the loan ?
— T just merely signed the note.
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Q. — Did you speak to them about it?
A. — 'No, sir. ^
Q. — As president, are you one of the largest stock-holders?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — To what extent is your interest in the company?
A. — I am interested to the extent of $12,500 shares.
Q. — What is the total stock ?
A. — The total amount of stock in the company is $40,000.
Q. — How much is paid up ?
A. — The other directors have just $100 each shares in the company.
Q.— You have $12,500?
A. — Yes.
Q. — So that the company really is your company?
A.— No.
Mr. Galxa: That is not a fair way of putting it.
Mr. Bowman: Do you own the company?
A. — There are the other directors.
Q.— Each with $100?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Ciiairmax : You do control the company?
A. — Yes.
Q. — The rest ni rhe stock is not disposed of?
A.— No.
Q. — It is a general stock company?
A. — Yes.
Q.— What do von call it ?
A. — The ^lorand Canning Company.
Q. — Where is it located?
A. — At McGregor and Cotton.
Q. — Have there been any prosecutions against Kirsch during the year ?
A. — No. sir. There was no prosecution against any of these men. These
hotels are in about two miles. There were no prosecutions against any of them.
Q. — Was there any other time you borrowed money from any licensed
hotel-keepers for the benefit of this company?
A. — Not that I know of.
Q. — Have they been seen by you personally ?
A.— No.
Q. — You said there were other directors, who were they?
A. — !Mr. Ducharme is one of the vice-presidents, each of my sons has a
share and my wife has a share.
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Me. Chairman : Did it ever strike you that it was improper to do this
as license inspector ?
A. — iSTo, it never did. If I knew of it I would never have consented to
that.
Q. — Don't you think it is improper ?
A. — I was told it was against the law and I have turned in my resignation
as license inspector.
Q. — To whom ?
A. — To Mr. Saunders of the License Department, to-day.
Mr. Proudfoot : When were you first informed that it was improper ?
A. — This morning.
Q. — You mean by Mr. Saunders ?
A. — Yes, by ]\Ir. Saunders. . . . When he told me it was not legal —
I never had borrowed for my oAvn benefit, I never protected any hotel-keeper
in any respect — and when I found it was against the regulations I tendered
my resignation as license inspector.
Q. — You said the money was borrowed by the secretary and treasurer —
who is he?
A. — My son, Alphonse.
Q. — And who is treasurer ?
A. — My other son.
Q. — They arranged for the loan ?
A. — It was the vice-president, Ducharme, and Alphonse that arranged
that loan.
Q. — Did you consult with them about borrowing this money ?
A. — Xot for this purpose. They got the money and asked me to sign the
note and I signed that note.
Q. — You knew you were giving the note to licensed hotel-keepers ?
A. — Yes, but I didn't know it w^as against the law. If I had known T
wouldn't have signed it, and I certainly did sign it.
Mr. McGarry : You borrowed from others ?
A. — Yes. to the extent of $12,000 or $ir).000. we got money from farmers,
to the extent of $500 np to $1.0(»(). I can give you rhe names if yon want them.
Q. — You signed the note the same as the others without giving it any
thought ?
'a.— That is what I did.
Q. — You never approached these men to attem])t to make use of your
position to borrow this money?
A.— :n'o.
Q. — It was only to-day that the Department knew that the company in
which you were interested had borrowed from these hotel-keepers ?
A.— What is that?
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(h — It was oiilv to-day that the Department learned that the company in
which yon are so laraely interested had borrowed money in that way?
A. — Only to-day.
Q. — Yon had up to that time made a statement that personally you had
never borrowed money?
A.— Yes.
Q. — The department had no intimation of this, only to-day?
A. — Xo. only to-day,
Q. — And yon have tendered your resignation ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — As soon as Mr. Sannders acquainted you with the fact and told you
yon would have to resign, that what you had done was contrary to the regu
lations?
A. — Yes, and I tendered my resignation.
^Ir. Bowman : When did you borrow this money ?
A. — Some time in August.
Q. — Last year ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Did you not borrow any before ?
A. — Xiot for that company. Xo I never did.
Q. — Then for any company you w^ere connected with while license
inspector?
A. — Yes. for the Tecumseh Canning ('oiii])any. T borrowed inoncv from
one of these men four or five years ago.
Q. — While you were ins])ector ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Were you connected with that company?
A.— Yes.
Q. — In what way (
A. — I was one of the directors.
Q. — You were a director of the comj)any as well as a -liarcholder ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Were the same people in it ?
A. — Xo, sir. There were about S.5 shareholder.-- in that ('(unpaiiy.
Q. — What was your shared
A. — Mv share was very small in that, only to the extent of $1,000 or
$1,200. That company has been sold to the Dominion C'anners, two years ago.
all the directors — there were seven (lii'eclors — in lliat coniiJany signed the noic.
Q. — Were you one of them (
A.— Yes.
Q. — You signed the note ?
A. — Yes, I signed the note.
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Q. — What license holders did you get money from for that company?
A. — T think only one. T think that was Wolff Gangfeller. He is a wealthy
man and loans money. ... I remember now that when, we borrowed that
money of Wolff Ganofeller he was not a licensee at that time. T think that at
that time ho was out of business and remained out of business at that time for
five years.
Mr, McGarry: ITe wasn't a licensed hotel-keeper?
A. — Xo, he wasn't a licensed hotel-keeper.
(Witness excused.)
Mr. Eudo S.vrNDERs, called and sworn.
Mr. ^FcGarry: When did your Department first hear anything in con-
nection with ]\Ir. Morand, license inspector for Xorth Essex? That he was
borrowing money for a company in which he was interested ?
A. — He came into my office this morning and told me. That was the
first word I heard about it.
Q. — You had no knowledge until then ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — What happened at that time — what is the custom of the Department
in reference to these matters ?
A. — There was a question put on the order paper asking the question
whether any money had been borrowed by ]Mr. Morand from licensed hotel
keepers. As soon as that hapi)ened a communication was sent to him enclosing
a copy of the question and asking him to reply. He gave the answer and then
it ap]iears he was served with the summons to this meeting. Mr. Morand came
down and came to my office. Then I questioned him, what he knew, and he
told me all about it. Then I said, " That is irregular and contrary to the
jiractice of the Department. There is only one course for you to take, hand
me your resignation." He said it was rather sudden. He asked me to give
him a little time and in a little while he would come in. He came in and said
" T have violated the regulations unintentionally. I never had any intention
of doing so. I see. of course, that the only course open to me is to tender my
resignation," which he did — and that is all there is to it.
Q. — It is contrary to the practice of the Department '(
A. — Yes, we could not permit an inspector to do it. The moment I heard
a man had done that I would just say, send in yonr resignation. That is the
rule 1 have always taken. It is the only action we could take. The inspectors
must be entirely free of influence from anyone. The same thing applies to the
Commissioners. T would ask for their resignations.
Q. — You consider it is compromising any inspector to borrow money from
a license holder ?
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A. — Undoubtedly, absohitelv. That is the attitude we take and that is
the penalty we exact.
The Committee then adjourned to meet again on Thursday, April 23rd,
at 10.30 a.m.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
Anrii 2o 1014.
The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.
Mr. E. R. Rogers, called and sworn.
Mr. Bowman : What is your position, ]\rr. Rogers, in connection with
the Provincial Secretary's Department ?
A. — Inspector of Prisons and Public Charities.
Q. — You deal with the matter of purchases of supplies of coal and general
supplies for these institutions ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — What is the usual method ado])ted by the Department in purchasing
coal ?
A. — Tenders are called for.
Q. — How are the tenders dealt with when they come to the Department?
A. — They go to the Provincial Secretary. A statement is made up and
sent to him and he deals with the tenders.
Q. — You send them to liiiii and the Provincial Secretary deals with them?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Do you mean that the Provincial Secretary opens the tenders and then
passes them on — and then sends them on to you ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Have you any knowledge of the method adopted in connection with the
opening of these tenders ?
A. — No, I have not.
Q. — Have you any lixed ])racti(*e in counection with them ^
A. — I don't know of one.
Q. — As Inspector do yon have anything to do with opening the tenders?
A. — Sometimes, 1 would iioi >ay always.
Q. — The usual practice i-, they are deall with by the Provincial Secretary
and passed on to von.
A.— Yes.
Q. — They are addressed u> the Pi-o\ineial Secretary?
A.— Yes!
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 187
Q. — Is there any special mark iiidicaliiig what they are i
A. — Xot always. Some are marked.
Mr. CiiAiJfMAN: Some tenders are marked and some are not?
A. — Some mark their tenders and some do not.
!Mk. IjOw.man : At Ottawa the jjractice is that the advertisement calls for
the envelope to be marked on the outside what they are, for instance, " Tender
for Post Office," or whatever it is.
Mr. CHAIRMA^' : You would not refuse a tender because it is not marked ?
Mr. Bow^ian : Oh, no. I just want to get at the method of dealing
with these tenders. ... So far as you know there is not any custom or
regulation in connection with matters of this kind, that they are to be opened
by the Minister and officials of the Department ? They are dealt with person-
ally, as far as your knowledge extends — personally by the Provincial Secretary ?
* A. — Yes. As far as having them marked I cannot say.
Q. — In connection with the tenders called for, for furnishing the institu-
tions in the city — do you know any officials who get coal under these tenders,
under the contracts furnished by the different firms?
A. — Well, I know that coal is furnished to some of the employees at the
same price as it is furnished to the Department. But it is not paid for by
the Department. They pay for it themselves.
Q. — Do you know who the officials are that get coal in that way ?
A. — I cannot tell off hand.
Q. — Did you yourself, personally ?
A. — I got coal, yes.
Q. — In that way ?
A.— Yes.
JVIr. McGarry : And paid for it yourself?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And no coal was charged up to the Department?
A.— Xo.
Q. — There was no previous arrangement with the pe(i|)le, before the coal
tenders were opened, that you should get coal?
A.— Oh, no.
Q. — Some contracts were awarded in connection with the Public Institu-
tions in Toronto ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — These are the tenders ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Who were the contracts awarded to ?
A.— The lowest tenderers.
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Q. — What companies ?
A. — For the Central Prison — the Standard Fuel Company ; for the Mercer
Reformatory and Hospital for the Insane there was only one tender,
P. Burns c^' Co.
Q. — Did you have published, an advertisement in the paj^ors, advertising
that tender? would be received ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You called for tond(>rs for coal?
A.— Yes.
Q. — And the tenders were let to the lowest teiulerer in each case?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Before these tenders were acted upon had you any arrangement by
which any emi^loyec was to get coal at the same prices ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — That was a matter between the dealers themselves and the people?
Mr. Bowmax : There was nothing wrong about it.
Me. McGarky: I suppose it was done under the old Government?
A. — I cannot tell that.
Q. — You pay for the coal yourselves, Tt is not charged to the Government
at all ?
A.— Oh, no.
Mk. Pkoudfoot: Who prepares the advertisements for the coal contracts?
A.— I do.
Q. — And for what length of time do you publish them?
A. — On an average — two or three weeks.
Q. — What papers do you publish them in?
A. — A list of papers is sent from the Prime Minister's office.
Q. — I ])resume publication takes place only in the City of Toronto?
A. — Oh, no. In Broekville and different papers.
Q. — Take for instance the tenders for coal for the Toronto Institutions.
Would you advertise in papers other than those in Toronto?
A. — The same advertisement goes into every paper.
Q. — The one advertisement covers all the papers. Is that the idea ?
A. — Yes, sir. Then a list of the different kinds of coal is published in
another long sheet.
Mi;. CiiAiKMAX : Different kinds are called for then?
A. — Yes, for the different institutions.
Me. Proudfoot : Have you got the advertisement ?
A. — I have not.
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Q. — Would Vdu julvcrtisc as wantiui;' so iiiaiiv tons of different kinds of
coal at various institutions?
A. — Xo. The advertisement is that tenders will he received for sui)j)ly-
ing: coal to the different institutions.
Q. — Do you s])ecify the kinds or the niunher of tons wanted, in that
advertisement ?
A, — Xo, sir. There is a lonu list <;i\iiiu' the name of each institution, the
nund)er of tons and the kind of coal re(|uircd.
.Mi;. Chaik.max : That you keei* in the Department and su])|)ly to anyone
who apjilies ?
A.— Yes.
Mr. Proi'dfoot: So the advertisement for coal is just to draw attention
to the fact, and then they ai)])ly to the Department for this list ?
A. — Yes. This is sent out to anyone who ever tendered for coal before.
Q. — ^You place that advertisement in certain newspapers in Toronto and
P)r(~)ckville ?
A. — And other points, Tving'ston, Hamilton, London.
Me. Chairmax : Wherever an institution is located ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Do you ever send an advertisement of that kind to the United States ?
A. — Xot that I ever heard of.
Q. — Or to coal dealers in the States ?
A. — Xo, sir. Xot that I know of.
Q. — In calling for tenders do you ask that the envelopes show that the
tenders are for a particular thing?
A. — I do not think so.
Q.- — When are the tenders opened ?
A.: — The tenders are all addressed to the Minister.
Q.- — Is there nothing to indicate to the Minister what they are?
A. — Some are marked " Tenders for Coal."
Q. — Su])j)osing they ar(> not. You say the character of the advertisement
<loes not call for them being marked in that way- — there is nothing to indicate
to the ^linister what the envelope might contain?
A. — Xo, sir.
^Mr. lk)WMA\: Are the envelopes preserved in connection with the
tenders ?
A. — They are nntil everything is closed.
]\rR. Proi'dfoot : Don't you think, as a matter of policy, that would be
the proper course to take, to ha\"e them marked " Tenders for ("oal "?
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^Ik. Thompson : They generally call for that.
Mr. Proudfoot : The tenders coniiug in, in the way yon mention, they
wonld be opened at the time, provided thev were not marked " Tenders for
Coal " ?
A. — Yes. sir. I ])resnme so.
Q. — Would it not be better to have all the coal tenders opened at the same
time ?
Mr. McGarky : Perhaps they are.
Mr. Proudfoot: Don't yon know as a matter of fact that some tenders
come in, and the envelopes don't show they are for coal, and they are opened
before the regular coal tenders are opened ?
A. — I cannot tell that. They do not come to me in that way.
Mr. Chair:man : He says they go direct to the Minister. They are
directed to the Minister. If they are not marked they wonld be opened by
the Minister.
A. — They are generally opened in the Minister's office.
Mr. Proudfoot : Yon have nothing to do with that ?
A. — They are sent to me after they are opened.
Q. — They do not reach yon nntil after they are opened ?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Is the tender accepted by you or by the Minister ?
A. — I make up a list and send it in, to be approved by the Minister.
Q. — I thought you told me the Minister opened the tenders ?
A. — Yes, then they are sent to me and I make up a list from the tenders
and send it in to the Minister.
Q. — Then he accepts the tender> and awards the contracts?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You spoke about coal being received by officials. Does that apply
to any ])lace, as far as you know, outside of Toronto ?
A. — As far as I know, yes. I cannot tell off hand.
Q. — Is it the usual practice throughout the various institutions, that come
in your charge, for the officials to get their coal in that way?
A. — There would not be many. Take the medical men. They all live
in the buildings. There would be some employees, probably the liursars out-
side, I don't know,
A .Me.muej;: They would i>i'obal)ly get ii in the Civil Service, if they got
it in the same way.
A. — Well, I don't know. I know the arrangement here. They have a
Civil Service Association. They get their coal through that.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 191
Q. — Do they get it from the contractors at the same prices i
A. — I cannot tell you that.
Witness excused. The Committee then adjourned.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS CO:NrMITTEE.
April 24, 1914.
The Committee met at 10 a.m.
License Inspector Robert H. Bttkrows, called and sworn.
Mr. Proudfoot : What is your position, Mr. Burrows ?
A. — Chief License Inspector for the City of Toronto.
Q. — How long have you .occupied that position ?
A. — In the latter part of last October I was appointed.
Q, — What was your position prior to that appointment ?
A. — I was Inspector of Licenses for the preceding eight years.
Q. — That is License Inspector for the City ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — You were promoted to Chief License Inspector?
A.— Yes.
Q. — What was the revenue derived from licenses in the City of Toronto
last year?
A. — You would have to get those figures from the License Department. I
cannot tell you off hand.
Q. — You don't know ?
A. — Not off hand. It is collected quarterly. We don't handle the money.
We issue duplicate receipts.
Mr. Chairman : The money is paid directly into the bank ?
A. — Yes. We don't handle the money.
Mr. Proudfoot: You were inspector for eight years?
A. — Yes, but I didn't have anything to do with that.
Q. — L^p to the time of your last appointment you had nothing to do with
collecting the money ?
A.— No.
Q. — The money was paid into the bank?
A. — Directly. We issued duplicate receipts.
Q. — You cannot tell me. off hand, what the total receipts were ?
A. — No, I wouldn't take a chance, not when it is accessible next door here.
But I can 2;et it for vou.
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Q. — And I would like to know, bow nmch of the revennc received from
licenses, for the City of Toronto, was under the five per cent, tax?
A." — That is somethino' we have absolutely nothing to do with. That is
handled from the Department here. l]v Mr. Eudo Saunders entirely.
Q. — You have nothing- to do with that at all ?
A. — Nothing whatever.
Q. — Don't you make an inspection to ascertain if they are making
proper returns of the moneys received, that they are properly accounted for ? •
A. — Not for the five per cent. I was never instructed to.
Mr. Chairman : There is a special officer to do that.
Mr. Proudfoot : But it isn't within your province at all ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Is it your business to inspect the hotels ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — One question I would like to ask yon is this ; in your inspection have
you anything to do with inspecting Clubs ?
A. — I have never been instructed to inspect Clubs.
Q. — I am speaking more particularly of fire protection.
A. — I never inspected them for fire protection.
Q. — Do you know if they have any inspection ?
A. — I don't believe they do.
Q. — If they don't I think they should.
A. — I think they should, too. I "would only be too pleased to inspect
them if I was instructed to. Some of the Clubs put in ropes in the bedrooms.
The American Club have ropes in the bedrooms.
Q. — Your opinion is. that Clubs obtaining licenses from the Government
should be inspected in the same way as hotels ?
A. — I don't know about that. They should be inspected in regard to fire
appliances.
Q. — I am speaking of fire appliances. Not anything else?
A. — Yes, they should.
Q. — Can you tell me — did you make an inspection of the Woodbine Hotel?
A. — Several times, during construction.
]\Ir. McGarry: When was that?
A. — Last year. The last inspection was in the latter part of January.
The hotel wasn't completed then.
Q. — That is January, 1014?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Wasn't it completed then ?
A. — They were at work on it two days before the fire.
Mr. Prot'dfoot: What provision was made for the safety of the guests?
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A. — Thore were three metallic escapes, two on King street and one on the
northwest side of the building. Tt was similar to other hotels. Just as good
as any other hotel, in my opinion.
Q. — Then how do you account for the loss of life ? .
A. — That is something I do not know.
Q. — What means was there of getting from the halls to the tire escapes ?
A. — To get to the fire escapes they would have to go through a bedroom.
Q. — An occupied bedroom ?
A. — It is liable to be. They generally have hotel help in the bedrooms
leading to the escapes.
Q. — Is there anything to indicate the door of the room that leads to the
fire escape ?
A. — Yes, they have either " Fire Esca])e " on it or a red light.
Q.— Which had they ?
A. — A red light.
Mr. Chairman: They have the same thing at the Queen's.
A. — Yes, and they have it at the King Edward. Xearly all the hotels
have them.
Mr. Proudfoot : The red light is worked by electricity I
A.— Yes.
Q. — So that if anything goes wrong with that it goes out, so then, that
hotel was provided, in your opinion, with proper tire ])rotection ?
A. — Well, no. In regard to metallic fire esca]ies, yes. In regard to
ropes, no. They hadn't got the ropes in. We w'ere waiting until they were
completed. That is why I left them. I had left the Albany and the Wood-
bine to the last. The ropes are the last thing to be installed. Even when they
are there they take them down to decorate.
Q. — Was there anything else besides the want of the ropes ?
A. — I do not know of anything else. Tt was similar to the bulk of the
hotels. I do not mean construction. I do not know anything about con-
struction.
Q. — I was going to ask you that ; you knew the back portion was made out
of an old building?
A. — Yes, I knew that.
Q. — Was that a frame building?
A. — Xo. I believe it was Mill Construction, with regular brick walls,
strong as most walls.
Q. — How long before the fire was it. you made the inspection you speak cf ?
A. — In the latter part of January.
Q. — And the fire took place ?
A.— On the ITth of March.
Q. — And in the meantime, between the timeof your inspection and the 17th
of March, did they complete the work (
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A. — No. I inquired from time to time and they were still at it. They
said one day the painters were still there. Another day they were papering
the rooms, kalsomining, etc. They Avere kalsomining there two or three days
before the fire.
Q.— Do yon know Fred C. Clark ?
A. — He is one of the licensees of Toronto.
Q. — Where is his license ?
A. — On Yonge street, a little above King on the east side.
Q. — When did he get that license ?
A. — He has had it for several years.
Q. — Do you know whom he got it from. Was it from John Collins ?
A. — I don't think so. There were two Clarks, you know, F. C. and Harry.
F. C. was on Yonge street and his brother at Adelaide and Simcoe.
Q. — Fred had the license for the Hotel Trader at 89 Yonge?
A. — Let me see. At the time of the cut he was one to lose his license.
There were two sons worked with the father at the corner of Adelaide.
Q.— Wasn't the Trader cut off ?
A. — I think it was. I am not certain.
Q. — Was that license afterwards transferred ?
A. — Which license ?
Q. — The license he got from 180 Front street. The one held by John
Collins?
A. — There was no license there; 180 was Mrs. Crawford's, the Duke of
Cambridge Hotel.
Q.— Was that cut off ?
A.— Yes.
Me. CiiAiEMAis:: That all happened during your incumbency as Inspector
not as Chief ?
A. — Xot since. I was then only acting under orders.
Mr. Proudfoot: Was one of the terms of the disposal of 180 that it
would be transferred to the Traders ?
A. — It was not transferred from 180 Front street. That was cut off com-
pletely. At the time the cut was made Mrs. Crawford was cut off with the
others.
Q. — Are you sure about that ? My information was that it was trans-
ferred to F. C. Clark.
A. — That i> wrong. Mrs. Crawford lost her license completely.
Q. — I do not know whether it was Mrs. Crawford or not?
A. — Well, that was 180. There was a John Collins kept the Genesee.
That is the only John Collins I know of.
Q. — Was that license cut off? Wasn't that the license that was transferred
to F. C. Clark?
A. — I cannot tell from memory. Some people ))urchased other licenses
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 195
and Ave allowed tlieiu to remove them to their premise::, piaees where licenses
were not cut off for cause, but cut off for necessity.
Q. — Was; this one on King' street cut off for necessity or cause ?
A. — Of necessity it was cut oft'.
jMr. McGakey : This happened three r^x four years ago ?
A.— Yes.
Mk. McGaeby : We have no right to investigate this. It has nothing to
do with this investigation.
Mr. Proudfoot : It happened during your time. You knew about it ?
A. — I had knowledge of it. l^ut at that time I was only doing what I
was told.
Q. — Do you remember the Ilaymarket license?
Mr. CHAiR:\rAx : Was that away back ?
Mr. Proudfoot : In 1909.
Mr. Chairman : I do not want to interfere with your examination, but
it looks as if to-day is the final day of the Committee and the witnesses from
Niagara Falls are here. I do not know" what the object of this is, but five-year
postmortems are pretty ancient.
Me. Proudfoot : But the hotels are alive.
Mr. Scholfield : About these ropes. Did you ever go down one ?
A. — No, sir. I did not.
Mr. Scholfield : Well, they should be hune: higher up. « No woman
could ever get out with them the way they are.
A. — I agree with that, and I am ordering them to fasten them that way
now.
Mr. Proudfoot : You will get me that information, as to the total amount
of license revenue and also how much was received from the five per cent, bar tax.
Mr. Musgrove : You can get that by a return in the House.
Mr. Burrows : I will ask for it.
(Witness dismissed.)
Mr. William Upper, called and sworn.
Mr. Proudfoot : I believe you had a contract with the Niagara Falls
Park Commission to build some 14,200 lineal feet of Park Boulevard ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Did you construct the work ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Who was interested with you in the work?
A. — Charles Lobb and William Ward.
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Q. — Had yoii more than one contract ?
A. — Yes. sir.
Q. — Yon had a contract for Section 4 of date of September, 1908 ?
A, — Yes, sir.
Q. — Was that the first, contract ?
A. — Yes, sir,
Q, — Was anyone else, other than J>obb and Ward, interested in that work?
A. — No, sir.
Q, — Did yon, later on, form a general stock company ?
A. — On other work. On the second contract.
Q. — That is the second contract, on what is known as A. 4 ?
A. — No. It was called two and three.
Mr. !McGarry : When was the second contract made ?
A. — It will give it there. It was about the time we completed the first
section.
Q. — When did yon complete the first section ?
A.— In 1011, I think.
Q.— Not later than 1911 ?
A. — No, to my knowledge we got straightened np abont 1911. The work
was taken out of our hands at that time.
Mr, Proudfoot: How much did von receive as the final amount iu 1911 ?
A. — Now, I cannot just tell you.
Q. — Have yon got your books with you ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Have yon any statement ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Haven't you any statement whatever ? Where are your books ?
A. — We really didn't have books of any kind. Lobb and myself took
charge of the work. We stayed at the work, and paid for everything as we
went.
Mr. Cjiair.max: You bought your own stuff and paid your own money?
A. — We were under no obligation to anybody, we i)ai(l our way every
month.
^Th. Pkoidkoot: Even then, you must have kept some track of what you
were doing (
A. — Tobb was the man who did the clerical part of it.
Q.— What part did you take?
A. — I stayed on the work, looking after the progress of the work, as fore-
man. It was only a small job and we went right there and did the work our-
selves. We hired no foreman.
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(^. — Was auvonc else iutcre-sted in the work i
A. — Yes, sir; William Ward.
Q. — But beside him ?
A. — There was just Ward. Charley Lobb and myself.
Q. — 1 see the contract was only between you and Lobb. After that, Ward
was taken in ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Where does Ward live ?
A. — Niagara Falls.
Q. — What is his business I
A. — He really did some contract work.
Q. — Was he associated with you before ?
\. — Previous to that ( Xo, nothing more than that.
Q. — Did you take any part in construction ?
A. — The first part Lobb and myself did. We had more work to do in
St. Catharines and so Lobb looked after the work in St. Catharines. I took
charge of this work myself, then T took Ward in. It needed two to handle it.
I hadn't much education and Ward was a good man to take an interest in the
work and look after it.
Q. — During the time you were carrying on work, there was no one else
interested, financially, in carrying the work through?
A. — No, no one.
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— Did no one else put any money in it ?
— No one put anything in except Lobb and myself.
— You took the next contract when ?
—About 1911.
— As soon as you finished the first contract you took the second contract,
you take the second one before you completed the first ?
— We hadn't quite finished.
— You got settled in 1911 for the first contract?
— Yes, sir. They were having some trouble with the right of way.
They couldn't give us the right of way. That is why we hadn't it complete.
We had to go back.
Q. — I see you were paid $9,448.45. Was that a final payment ?
A. — I cannot say. Lobb can tell you more about that. He looked after
that part of it.
Q. — Then you took the other contract. Which section was that for 3 A ?
A.— For 2 A and 3 A, I think.
Mr. Chairman: How far back are you going with that?
Mr. Pkoudfoot: That starts in 1911.
A.— Yes.
Q. — Who was interested with you in that ?
A. — Henry Campaigne.
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Q. — I see the contract was let to Campaiguo and Co. Who composed tlie
firm of Campaigne and company ?
A. — Campaigne bad a partner, at least one who was snpposed to be a
partner. He Avas to furnish the money.
Q. — Who was Campaigne's partner ?
A. — His name ? Now, I cannot tell you, I cannot speak the fellow's
name. Anyway he disappointed Campaigne. He was supposed to be the
moneyed man. When we went for blank forms for this contract we came into
contact with Campaigne. He told us what he was doing. Campaigne was
a friend of mine, so he said the fellow who was going in with him hadn't
matured. He was up in the north some place. He says, " In case he don't
mature how would it be for a cheque for deposit V So I says to Campaigne,
" If the man don't mature, and your figures are satisfactory, we will make the
deposit for you, provided you give us an interest in the work."'
Q. — Did you form a firm ? Is that the firm of H. Campaigne and Co. ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Who were the members of it?
A. — H. Campaigne, Charles Lobb, William Ward, John Ward and myself.
Q. — Had you each an equal interest ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — And did that Company carry through the work ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — When did you complete it ?
A. — Now, wait, last year we had a little difficulty. AVe had some diffi-
culty about resurfacing. We made a proposition to the superintendent, that
as we w^ere not doing the work satisfactory to him, to let them take their Staff
and complete the work and charge us for it and keep it out of us.
Q. — Who did you make that arrangement with I
A. — Mr. Sears and J. H. Jackson.
Mr. Ckaikmax : That is Mr. Jackson the Engineer for the Park Com-
mission ?
A. — Yes.
Mr. Proudfoot : Have you been settled uj) with since ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Your contract price for section 4 was $32,500 ?
A. — $31, .500, was it not? I M^ould not be sure. Strikes me it was
$31,500. ^
Q.- — How much did you actually receive out of it? 4
A. — What do you mean ? *
Q. — Did you receive the whole contract price or more ? M
A. — We were devilish lucky to get paid for what we did. f
Q. — Hadn't you extras ? ■
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A. — Of course. There are always more or less extras in auy contract.
Q. — l^o you know what you got in extras?
A. — T think something; around about $2,000.
Q. — And the whole amount was cleared up?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Were these three the only contracts you were interested in ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — Had you anything to do with
A. — I had nothing to do with any contract except these with Lobb and
Ward and the Canipaigne Company. Those are the only ones.
Q. — Were you interested with Mr. Symmes at all?
A. — Xo, sir ; none whatever.
Q. — Had you anything to do with the Power City Stone Company?
A.— Yes. '
Q. — Had you any stock in that Company?
A. — Xot a dollar.
Q. — Who was the President of that Company?
A. — Robin Boyle, I think, I don't know. They had stone to sell. We
needed the stone and bought it.
Q. — So that you were not interested as a stockholder, or otherwise, in the
Power City Stone Company ?
A. — Xo, sir. Xot any more than buying stone, where we could buy it
the cheapest.
Q. — Do you know if your tender of $32,500 — you seem to think it was
■ $31,500— was the lowest tender?
Mr. Chairman : How could he answer that ?
A. — I cannot answer that. I am not on the inside. I supposed it was.
Mr. McGarry : Mr. Jackson gave evidence on that.
Mr. Proubfoot : You didn't know anything of the contracts ?
A. — Xo. We had no pull. We had taken the work on our merits.
Q. — Do you know a man named Pirson ?
A. — Xo, I do not.
Q. — Did you know he had tendered for this Section 4?
A. — I think I heard something about it. He is a fellow who puts in so
many tenders for so much,
Q. — Did you know he had put in one for this ?
A. — I understood so.
Q. — Did you understand he put in a tender lower than yours ?
A. — Xo, I did not.
Q. — Did you ever speak to him about it ?
A. — Xo. I never spoke to the man in my life. I only know the name
from hearsav.
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Q. — You had nothing to do with him, putting in that tender ?
A. — I didn't know the man. I never spoke to him. I just know of him
from general talk.
Q. — For Section 4 you got your money in 1911 ?
A. — Yes.
Q. — You got your cheque for $5,148.45 in 1911. Who did your financing.
Who was the member of your firm who received the money ?
A. — Mr. Lobb. He had all that work. That was part of his work. I
had nothing to do with it.
Q. — Did you keep a set of books ?
A. — No. In fact I do not know just what he did keep.
Mr. Chairman : As long as he didn't keep the money.
A. — I was satisfied he wouldn't keep the money and that he would play
fair with me.
Q. — Did the firm, were the firm to have equal shares in the profits?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — How much of this money, that you got from that contract, went for
election purposes ? -
A. — Not a dollar.
Q. — Not any ?
A. — Not a dollar. It was a hard squeeze to pay our debts with it.
Q. — I just asked that question for our friend, Mr. Hartt. I knew he was
waiting for it. You say that not a cent was paid out in that way?
A. — No, sir.
Mr. Chairman : You didn't have much to go to election purposes. The
profits were not very large ?
A. — Indeed they were not. We tendered pretty close, too.
^Ib. Chairman : It was a pretty small contract for such a big firm ; five
men with a $.32,000 contract wouldn't leave very much.
Mr. Proudfoot: You wouldn't think so. . . . Did you have the
adjusting of the final amounts with ^Ir. Jackson or did !Mr. Lobb?
A. — Mr. Lobb had. Mr. Jackson does all that himself. You haven't
got a look in, except to take what he gives you. And you can be pretty sure he
will take damn good care you don't get any more than is coining to you. He
gave us a really nice trimming on that little piece of work, you leave that to
John H.
Q. — Have you got your pay sheets here ?
A. — No, sir.
Q. — Did you keep any ?
A. — No, sir. . . . If we did have pay sheets — Lobb is a single man,
and what little stnfi^ we had he told me to stow away some place. Then I
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moved two years ago and came to this stutT and I said, " Lobb, what the devil's
the use of keeping this stuff?" and he says, '' For Christ's sake burn it up."
Mr. Cifairman: He wanted to forget it.
A. — Forget it, yes .... We didn't lose but we did a lot of hard
work and got little out of it.
^Ir. Fraser : Were you satisfied with the settlement you got on Section 4,
the settlement for extras ?
A. — By God, I had to be satisfied.
Q. — Do you think you were treated fairly ?
A. — X-o, I do not.
Q. — Didn't you have certain amounts, which !Mr. Jackson wouldn't allow
you?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Didn't he tell you, at that time, that these extras were-
A. — He told me to go and sit down, that I had nothing to say about it. and.
I went and sat down.
Q.— Didn't the Engineer make a mistake and have you cut out two feet
too much for a long distance and then make you fill it, but you got nothing
for it ?
A. — Xot once, but three different times on the same piece of work. They
had a lot of little snots of boys as Engineers.
Mr. Proudfoot : Who was the Engineer ?
A. — A fellow named Hughston.
Mr. Eraser : Mr. Jackson wouldn't allow you for the Engineer's mistake ?
A. — Xot a cent.
Mr. Charles Lobb, called and sworn.
Mr. Proudfoot: Mr. Lobb, you are one of the contractors as named by
Mr. Upper. Have you any papers in connection with the matter ?
A. — Xo. Everything was settled up. We didn't see any use in keeping
them, so I gave them to Mr. LTpper and he destroyed them.
Q. — I suppose you have your contracts ?
A. — We have nothing. We didn't think there was any use keeping any-
thing.
Q. — The contract you had was for Section 4, the price $32,500 ?
Mr. Chairman: Was that back in 1908?
Mr. Proudfoot: Yes.
Mr. Chairman : Cannot w^e shorten this up ?
Mr. Proudfoot : You were settled up with a payment of $5,484.45 ?
A. — I cannot sav exactlv now. Whatever the balance was we ffot it.
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Q. — Have you papers sliowiiiir what became of the money?
A.— Xo.
Q. — Xo documents of any kind ?
A. — Xo, I left them with 'Mr. Upper, as I told you.
Q. — Couldn't yon find a single document ?
A. — I might get hold of a few cheques. I haven't seen them within five
or six years.
Q. — It isn't five or six years . . . were you in on the other two con-
tracts, 3 A and 3 B ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — AVhen did you finish those contracts ?
A. — We got through a year ago last fall. The Park Commission took
over the last bit and fixed it up and kept the money out of us.
Q. — Didn't you get the full contract price ?
A.— X'o.
Q. — Had you anything to do with the other company I mentioned — The
Power City Stone Company ?
A. — Xo, sir.
Q. — Then you were simply connected with Upper, in the way he men-
tioned, and also with the Campaigne Company ?
A. — Yes, sir.
Q. — Who did the financing in connection with the Campaigne Company?
A. — We had a bookkeeper.
Q.— Yes?
A. — He had to keep the books and look after the financing as well.
Q. — Did you keep regular pay sheets in connection with your works?
A. — There wasn't much books to keep.
Q. — How many men did you employ?
A. — I think about 20. That is what we generally had. I think we had
more on the last job.
Q. — It seems the price was somewhat higher — that is the one you did'nt
finish ?
A.— Yes.
Q. — Did anyone else, besides the men you have mentioned, have a finan-
cial interest in this contract ?
A. — Xo, sir.
Q. — Xothing was paid out to anyone in connection with the contracts,
other than your workmen and of course yourselves?
A, — Certainly we paid ourselves.
!Mr. Ciiaikmax : You paid your expenses of construction and divided the
rest.
A. — You mean some outsider ?
'Mn. PBorDFOOT : Yes ?
A. — What would we pay him for?
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Industrial and Construction Department
0RfiAllt2ATION CHAKT
StorfKeepers
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coal
Cemeni
truction Stores
. Cement
KUchen Staff
Butcher
BaKer
Domestic Stores
Ceneral Supervision of Temporary Head Quarters,
excepting DormitorieJ. which are in charge ot
Sergeant
Mr. Armstrong
Hr. Hogg.
Mr Black
Construction
Rec«ivintf Reports
and checking all _
Returns
Heat Light and Water
Accounting
Cost Keeping -
Dairy
Piggery
Poultry
Farm
.Office Staff
Construction Reports
Estimating
Drafting
Machine Shop
Rai Iway
Roads & Bridges .
Stone Crusher. Lime Kiln
Hydrator, Sand & Gravel Pit
Tile Plant, BncK Plant.
"Construction
Operation
Maintenance
■Road Roller
Traction Engine
Portable Steam Cniiher.
Foremen of various Trades
Planing Factory
Lumber Yard
Blacksmith Shop
Plant 4. Equipment, such as
Hoists, Cement Mixers, etc
used in Construction
Steam Shovel
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Q. — Well, did von pay anv niU>;idor?
A.— No.
Q. — Did yoii know this Mr. Pirson who j)nt in a tender?'
A. — Never knew the man in my life.
Q. — Did yon know he i)nt in a tender for this work which was awarded
to yon for $32,500; did yon know he i)nt one in at $29,856?
A. — I heard talk al)ont someone pntting in a tender. I do not know what
price he gave.
Q. — Did you ever see him about it ?
A. — No, I would not know the man if he walked through here now.
Q. — How much of this money did you pay out for election purposes ?
Mr. Chairman: He said he didn't pay anything to any outsider. I
thought that was what you meant by the question.
A. — I haven't paid any yet for election expenses. If I do, it will have
to be a bigger job than this Boulevard. That is why my hair is changed grey.
Witness dismissed. The Committee then took up the question of making
a report to the House, and adjourned to meet again on Friday, April 24th, at
10 a.m.
LIST OF EXHIBITS PRODUCED BEFORE COMMITTEE.
1. Agreement between the Government and Willis K. Jackson, et al. Printed.
2. Assignment, Willis K. Jackson et al. to Jackson & Tindle. Printed.
3. Assignment, Jackson & Tindle to New Ontario Colonization Company,
Limited. Printed.
4. Correspondence Papers, and Reports re lots in Kendry Township. Printed.
5. Letter, from A. J. McDonald to Deputy Commissioner of Lands. Printed.
6. Report of J. F. Whitson to Commissioner of Lands re improvement made
by New Ontario Colonization Company, Limited. Printed.
7. T^etter, J. Brandon to Provincial Treasurer re Valuations, Succession
Duties. Printed.
8. Tenders for right to cut Timber on Berth 4, Thistle Township. Printed.
9. Tenders for right to cut Timber on Berth 3, Thistle Township. Printed.
10. Tenders for right to cut Tind^er on Berth 1, McWilliams Township.
Printed.
11. Tenders for right to cut Timber on Berth 2, McWilliams Township.
Printed.
12. Tenders for right to cut Tind)er on Berth 3, McWilliams Township.
Printed.
13. Tenders for right to cut Timber on Berth 1, Thistle Township. Printed.
14. Memoranum of Tenders received for Timber Berths in Thistle and Mc-
Williams Townships. Printed.
15. Sale of red and white Pine Timber; terms and conditions of sale. Printed.
16. Financial statements and estimates of cost of construction of Central Prison
204 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914:
Farm, Gnelph, and Hospital for Insane, Whitby. Printed.
17. Comparative statement of average maintenance cost per capita, per diem,.
Hospitals for Insane for the twelve months ending 31st October, 1913.
Printed.
18. Stock and Treasury Bills issued under authority of 2 Geo. V. c. 2. Printed^
19. Notice to Inspector of Rural, Public and Separate Schools in organized
Counties. Printed.
20. Letter and statement of contracts re Niagara River Boulevard.
21. Tenders for coal, 1906 to 1910 and 1913, for Public Institutions. Printed,
Exhibit 1.
This agreement made in duplicate this fourteenth day of June, 1912.
Between :
His Majesty, represented by the Honourable the Minister of Lands,
Forests and Mines for the Province of Ontario, hereinafter
called *'the Government," of the First Part, and
Willis K. Jackson, of the City of Buffalo, in the State of New York,,
one of the United States of America ; William A. Rushworth, of
the City of Toronto, in the County of York, in the Province of
Ontario, and Ernest S. Wigle, of the City of Windsor, in the
County of Essex, in the Province of Ontario, hereinafter called
''the Purchasers," of the Second Part.
Witnesseth that in consideration of the mutual covenants, promises and
agreements hereinafter set forth the parties hereto have agreed with each,
other as follows: —
1. Concurrently with the execution of this agreement the Purchasers will
pay to the Government the sum of $98,304.00, the receipt whereof is hereby
by the Government acknowledged, which said sum of $98,364.00 is the price
or consideration paid by the Purchasers to the Government for this Agreement,
and is and shall be deemed to be fully earned by the Government by the execu-
tion of this Agreement, and the Purchasers shall not be entitled on the termina-
tion of this Agreement by forfeiture or otherwise to any repayment, drawback or
relief whatsoever in respect of the said sum of $98,364.00, or any part thereof,
but have received and shall be deemed to have received full value therefor in the
original execution of this Agreement by the Government.
2. Subject always to each and all of the terms of this Agreement the Gov-
ernment, under and by virtue of all rights or powers it thereunto enabling, doth
grant, concede and confer unto and upon the Purchasers the exclusive power^
Oeorge V. APPE:^^DIX Xo. 1. 205
right, license and authority, for the purposes of and durins; the continuance of
this Ao-reenient, to enter into and upon those certain parcels or tracts of lands
and ])reniises hereinafter set forth and to take possession and control
of the same and to clear, cultivate, occupy, use and enjoy the same. The said
lands are as follows : —
First: — The Township of Kendry, in the district of Sudbury, now in the
new district of Temiskaming as created by 2nd George 5th, chapter 21, contain-
ing a lot area of 50,002 acres, more or less, as shown on plan of survey by
Ontario land surveyer, J. W. Fitzgerald, dated 5th December, 1907, of record
in the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines, save and excepting there-
from the following reservations: —
(a) The beds of the Mattagami and Muskego Rivers and all lakes within
the Township, and all islands, islets and reefs in said lakes or rivers, together
with a road allowance one chain in perpendicular width laid out along each
bank of said rivers and around the shores of said lakes.
(&) The right of way, station grounds and extra land of the National
Transcontinental Railway across said Township as shown on plan of survey
of said right of way, dated 27th March, 1909, signed by S. X. Parent, Chair-
man Hugh D, Lumsden, Chief Engineer, and A. S. Cotton, Ontario Land
Surveyor, of record in the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines.
(c) All regular road allowances as sho\\m on plan aforesaid by J. W.
Fitzgerald, Ontario Land Surveyor.
(d) Broken lots 24 and 26, concession 9, broken lots 24, 25 and 26 in
concession 10, containing by admeasurement, 766 acres more or less, for the
purposes of development of the water power at Smooth Rock Falls, on the
IMattagami River.
(e) Those portions of broken lots 25 and 26, concessions 5 and 6, sub-
divided into lots and streets for townsite purposes as shown on plan of survey,
"by H. ]\r. Anderson, Ontario Land Surveyor, dated October 7th, 1911, of record
in the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines, together with all that portion
of lot 25, concession 5, and broken lot 26, concession 5, east of the Mattagami
River, not included within such subdivision, also that part of broken lot 25,
concession 6, and that portion of broken lot 26, concession 6, lying east of
the Mattagami River, and not included in such subdivision, containing by
admeasurement an area of 404 acres more or less.
(/) Reserving also the right over a strip of land 100 feet wide in any
and all parts of the Township for the purpose of constructing a pole or pipe
line to transmit electricity or power.
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Second : — The Township of Haggart, in the district of Sudbury, now iu
the new district of Temiskaming as created by 2nd George 5th, chapter 21,
containing a lot area of 49,860 acres, more or less, as shown on plan of survey
by Ontario Land Surveyor, J. W. Fitzgerald, dated 25th Xovember, 1908, of
record in the Department of Lands, Forests and jMines, save and excepting
therefrom the following reservations: —
(a) The right of way, station grounds and extra laud of the X^ational
Transcontinental Railway across said Township as showni on i)lan of survey of
said right of way, dated 27th March, 1909, signed S. X, Parent, Chairman;
Hugh D. Lumsden, Chief Engineer, and A. S. Cotton, Ontario Land Surveyor,
of record in the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines.
(b) The bed of the Muskego and Poplar Rapid Rivers, also the bed
of Departure Lake and all other lakes within the township, and all islands,
islets and reefs in said lakes or rivers, together with a road allowance one chain
in perpendicular width laid out on each bank of the said rivers and around
the shores of the said lakes.
(c) All regular road allow^ances, as shown on the plan aforesaid, by J. W.
Fitzgerald, Ontario Land Surveyor.
(d) Reserving also the right over a strip of land 100 feet wide in any
and all parts of the township for the purpose of constructing a pole or pipe
line to transmit electricity or power.
3. The Purchasers wull forthwith proceed to settle and colonize the said
lands wnth bojia fide occupant farmers and settlers, such settlement and coloniza-
tion to be effected with all reasonable despatch. And, without limiting the
generality of the above obligation, the Purchasers' guarantee that within two
years from the date hereof they will cause at least two thousand four hundred
acres of the said lands to be occupied and settled by at least sixteen boiiu fide
farmers or settlers, and that during each succeeding period of one year there-
after, for a period of nineteen years, they will cause at least two thousand
four hundred additional acres of the said lands to be occupied and settled by
at least sixteen additional bona fide farmers and settlers. Such farmers and
settlers to be such and the occupation and settlement work by them to be such
as to satisfy requirements similar to the present requirements in like ease of
The Free Grant and Homesteads Act and the regiilations thereunder. In
computing the number of farmers and settlers occupying and settling and the
acreage occupied and settled by them from year to year as aforesaid, any excess
or deficiency of numbers or acreage in any year, shall be carried forward to
the credit or debit, as the case may be, of the year following, and so from
year to year, and where in the case of any farmer or settler previously credited
his occupation and settlement subsequently fails to be such as to satisfy the
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 207
provisions of tliis flaiisc the (IcHciency so arising in numbers and acreage
shall be forthwith chargeable against the year then current and succeeding
years. Provided always that the Purchasers shall not be deemed to be in
default under the terms of this clause, so far as relating to specific numbers
and acreage guaranteed from year to year, unless and until the deficiency in
question has faileil to be rectified in subsecjuent balances wnthin at least two
years, but this proviso shall not apply to any failure to meet the obligations
of this clause as regards at least five settlers and a proportionate acreage in
the first period of two years or as regards at least five settlers and a proportion-
ate acreage in the second period of one year.
4. If and as requested by the Minister of Lands, iForests and Mines for
the Province of Ontario, hereafter in this Agreement referred to as the Min-
ister, the Purchasers will improve portions of the said lands as farms, in each
case by clearing and preparing for cultivation such area thereof as the Minister
may designate, not exceeding twenty-five acres, and by building house and a
barn thereon of such size and character as the Minister may prescribe, not
exceeding in cost one thousand dollars, and by digging a well, or otherwise as
the Minister may prescribe, and shall offer such farms for sale at prices and
upon terms to be approved of by the Minister.
5. The Purchasers will at their own expense, as directed by, in a manner
approved of by and to the satisfaction of the Minister, construct, build and, for
a reasonable period, maintain, all roads, bridges or other road improvements in
the said Townships of Kendry and Haggart, as such construction, building and
maintenance may from time to time be required in the interest of said
settlers.
6. The Purchasers will undertake that proper and adequate provision is
made, to the satisfaction of the Minister, for the institution of public schools
in the said Townships and for the erection of suitable school buildings. Pro-
vided always that such schools shall be entitled to the usual Government and
Municipal aid and support.
7. In order to facilitate the colonization and settlement of the said lands
the Purchasers will erect thereon a hotel, store buildings, housing for accommo-
dation and other buildings or works necessary to meet requirements in advance
of town or village settlements and will also erect, construct and equip thereon
a permanent sawmill, planing mill and lath mill, the buildings and works in
this clause mentioned to be undertaken and commenced within ninety days
from the date of this Agreement and to be completed within twelve months
from the date of this Agreement, and at least $70,000 to be expended on such
buildings and works.
8. The Purchasers shall cut the timber from the said lands in blocks or
areas of not less than eighteen hundred acres at one time, the location of such
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blocks or areas to be first approved by tlie Minister. The lands so cnt over
shall be properly cleared in a good and workmanlike manner, and to the
satisfaction of the ^Minister, and the timber is not to be specially selected, but
the cutting is to be done out of a face. Provided always that not less than
twenty acres of timber must be left for each farm as a wood lot. Xo land shall
be cut over in advance of settlement except to an extent limited until the expiry
of five years from the date hereof to fifteen thousand acres, such limit to be in-
creased each year thereafter by two thousand acres until a limit of forty-five
thousand acres has been reached. All timber cut from the said lands, other
than timber which, in the opinion of the Minister, is useful for pulp only, shall
be manufactured in the mills of the Purchasers and disposed of within the
said Townships or locally to the satisfaction of the Minister or otherwise to
the satisfaction of the Minister. No pulpwood cut from the said lands shall
be exported from Canada, without the permission of the Minister.
9. — The Purchasers will purchase from said settlers, on reasonable terms,
any timber on the lands settled by them and will also give said settlers the
preference for their teams and labor in cutting and removing timber from
their lands and also in cutting and removing timber from the other lands of the
Purchasers.
10. All sales of land by the Purchasers to settlers, all agreements be-
tween the Purchasers and any settler or settlers and all regulations by the
Purchasers affecting any settler or settlers shall before becoming effective be
submitted to and receive the approval of the Minister. Provided always that
the Minister, in considering, pursuant to this clause or to clause 4 of this
Agreement, the prices sought by the Purchasers to be placed upon the said
lands from time to time, shall have regard to the fair market value of the said
lands in view of the enhancement of such value brought about by reason of
the colonization and improvement of the locality through the efforts of the
Purchasers.
11. The Purchasers shall not issue or ])ul)lish any prospectus, advertise-
ment ur other publication respecting the said lands or the settlement of the
same, until such prospectus, advertisement or publication has been submitted
to and approved by the Minister.
12. The Purchasers shall not lay out any townsite or sites on the said
lands, except with the approval of and in a manner and upon terms and condi-
tions satisfactory to the Minister.
13. As and when the Purchasers shall from time to time cause parcels
of the said lands, not exceeding in each case one hundred and fifty acres, more
or less, to be occupied and settled in such manner, as regards qualifications of
occupant and character, continuity and duration of occupancy and settlement
George V. APPEIv^DlX Xo. 1. 209
work, as to satisfy requirements similar to the present requirements in like
case of The Free Grant and Honiestoads' Act and the regulations thereunder,
the Government shall, on the aj)i)lication of the Purchasers, issue a Patent
for the parcel in (jnestion to the settler in question, or where there remains
unperformed or only partly performed some obligation by such settler to the
Purchasers, to the Purchasers in trust to convey the same to such settler on
the performance of such obligation, or otherwise upon such terms for the due
securing of the rights both of the Purchasers and of such settler as the Minis-
ter shall determine. Provided always that the Minister may in any case, in
which in his o])inion such a course is desirable, issue the Patent to the settler
in question upon his own application and with or without the imposition of
terms in favour of the Purchasers.
14. The Government will also grant to the Purchasers Patents for such
portions of the said lands as shall in the opinion of the ^linister be reasonably
necessary for or in connection with hotel site, store sites, mill sites or other
building sites required for the purposes of the undertaking, such Patents to
issue in each case on the completion of the building in question.
15. Xotwithstanding anything in this Agreement contained, all mines,
minerals and mining rights in, on or under the said lands, and, subject to the
exceptions similar to those allowed by the terms of The Free Grant and Home-
steads Act and the regulations thereunder, all white pine now standing or
teing on the said lands are and shall be excepted and reserved to the Crown,
and all Patents to be issued hereunder shall be issued subject to such exception
and reservation and to all other usual exceptions, reservations and condi-
tions.
16. Upon breach or default by the Purchasers in carrying out any of the
terms of this Agreement, this Agreement and all rights, benefits, and advan-
tages of the Purchasers thereunder shall, at the option of the Government, to
be notified to the Purchasers in writing, forthwith cease and determine, and
all interest of the Purchasers thereunder or in or to the said lands shall forth-
with revert to and re-vest in the Government, and in such case the Purchasers
shall not be entitled to the return of the price paid as hereinbefore set forth
as consideration for this Agreement or any portion thereof, nor to reimburse-
ment for any sums expended by the Purchasers under the terms of this Agree-
ment or for improvements on the said lands or otherwise, nor to any compensa-
tion or damages whatsoever. Provided always that the interests of hona fide
settlers in occupation of any portion of the said lands prior to the date of such
termination shall be protected by the Government in such manner as the
Minister shall reasonably determine. Provided further that the title of lands,
for which patents have issued shall not be affected by such termination. Pro-
vided further that before the Government shall have the right to determine this
Agreement as aforesaid the Government shall give to the Purchasers at least
14— J.A.
210 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
six months' notice in writing stating- the nature of the default in question and
the Purchasers shall have failed within such six months to remedy said
default.
17. Time shall be of the essence of this Agreement.
18. All notices to be given to the Purchasers under the terms of this
Agreement shall be deemed to be sufficiently given if mailed postage prepaid
and registered and addressed to Jackson & Tindle, Buffalo, New York State.
19. Nto waiver by the Government of any default by the Purchasers under
the terms of this Agreement shall be deemed to operate as a waiver of any
other default thereunder or of any other matter or thing therein contained.
20. All questions arising between the Government and the Purchasers
under the terms of this Agreement or as to the true construction thereof or
as to true extent of the obligations of the Purchasers or of the Government to
each other thereunder or otherwise, shall be subject to the award, order and
determination of the Minister, whose decision shall be final and conclusive as
between the parties hereto.
21. No assignment of this Agreement by the Purchasers shall be valid
unless and until the same is approved and countersigned by the Minister.
22. This Agreement shall respectively enure to the benefit of and be
binding upon the respective heirs, executors, administrators and successors
of the parties hereto.
In witness whereof the parties hereto have hereunto set their respective
hands and seals the day and year first above written.
Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of
As to the signatures of Willis K.
Jackson and Wm. A. Rushworth.
(Signed), Aubrey White.
" Carroe C. Hele,
As to the signature of W. H. Hearst.
As to the signature of
E. S. Wigle, W. T. Piggott.
(Signed), W. H. Hearst.
(Signed), Wir.Lis K. Jackson.
" Wm. a. Rushworth.
" Ernest S. Wigle.
George 7. APPENDIX No. 1. 211
Exhibit 2.
This Iiuleiiture made this fourteenth day of June,, 1912.
Between : *
Willis K. Jackson, of the City of Buffalo, Eric County, State of New
York, Manufacturer; Ernest S. Wigle, of the City of Windsor,
in the County of Essex, in the Province of Ontario, Esquire,
and William A. Rushworth, of the City of Toronto, in the County
of York, in the Province of Ontario, Esquire, hereinafter called
the '* Assignors," of the First Part, and
Willis K. Jackson, George A. Jackson, Annette T. Jackson and Frank
T. Tindle, all of the City of Buffalo, in the State of New York,
carrying on business under the co-partnership name of "Jackson
& Tindle," hereinafter called the " Assignees," of the Second
Part.
Witnesseth that for valuable consideration the Assignors do and each of
them doth hereby grant, transfer, assign and set over to the Assignees as joint
tenants a certain grant and concession made the fourteenth day of June, 1912,
by the Government of the Province of Ontario, represented by the Honourable
W. H. Hearst, Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines, comprising and referring
to lands of the Crown in the Townships of Kendry 'and Haggart in the District
of Temiskaming, in the Province of Ontario; and all benefits, rights, privileges,
franchises, claims and estate of the Assignors and each of them in and to the
said lands and to the timber thereon, and other the premises bv the said grant
and concession vested in the Assignors or intended so to be, subject, neverthe-
less, to the agreements, undertakings and obligations of the Assignors therein
contained.
To have and to hold unto the Assignees, their heirs, executors, administra-
tors and assigns, freed, cleared and absolutely discharged of and from all claims
of the said Assignors, their and each of their heirs, executors and administrators.
/
And the said Assignees hereby covenant and agree with the said Assignors
that pending the transfer of the said Grant and Concession and other the
premises hereby assigned to a Company to be formed for the purpose of oper-
ating the said Concession by the said Assignees, they will well and truly per-
form all the covenants, agreements, obligations and duties, assumed, undertaken
or placed upon the Assignors under the said Grant and Concession; and that
they will upon the transfer of the same to the said Company obtain a covenant
and agreement by the said Company to assume the same and to protect, indem-
nify and save harmless the said Assignors and their and each of their estates of
212 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1014
and from the performance of any of the said covenants, agreements, obligations
and dnties aforesaid and from the payment of any damages, costs or expenses
in connection therewith.
And the said Assignors do and each of them doth hereby covenant with the
said George A. Jackson, Annette T. Jackson and Frank T. Tindle, their heirs,
executors, administrators and assigns, that they, the said Assignors, their and
each of their heirs, executors and administrators, will at all times hereafter
make, do and execute all such further acts, deeds, matters and things as may be
reasonably required for the more fully and effectually vesting the said Grant
and Concession and other the premises hereby assigned or intended so to be in
the said Assignees, their heirs, executors, administrators or assigns ; but, never-
theless, all costs and expenses incurred in connection with the same shall be
paid by the said Assignees, their heirs, executors, administrators or assigns ; but
so that no person who shall be required to make or execute any such assurance
shall be compelled for the making or execution thereof to go or travel from his
usual place of abode.
Xo assent hereto by the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines shall operate
as a novation of contract or relieve the Assignors or any of them of any of their
obligations under the said Grant and Concession.
In witness whereof the parties hereto have executed these presents.
Signed, Sealed and Delivered
In the presence of
(Signed) W. C. Dawson. (Signed) Willis K. Jacksox. (Seal)
W. C. Dawson. Wm. A. Rush worth. (Seal)
W. T. PiGGOTT. . Ernest S. Wigle. (Seal)
Exhibit 3.
This Indenture made this 10th day of October, 1912.
Between :
Willi? K. Jackson, George A. Jackson, Annette T. Jackson and Frank
T. Tindle, all of the City of Buffalo, in the State of Xew York,
carrying on business under the co-partnership name of " Jack-
son and Tindle," hereinafter called the " Assignors," of the
First Part ;
George V. APPEXDIX No. 1. 213
Xew Ontario Colonization Company, Limited, hereinafter called the
" Assignees," of the Second Part ;
His ^lajesty, re])ro.sented by the Honourable the Minister of Lands,
Forests and Mines of the Province of Ontario, hereinafter called
the " Government," of the Third Part; and
AVillis K. Jackson, William A. Rushworth and Ernest S. Wi<>le, here-
inafter called the " Purchaser," of the Fourth Parr.
Witnesseth that for valuable consideration the Assignors do and each of
them doth hereby grant, transfer, assign and set over unto the Assignees, -their
successors and assigns, a certain Grant and Concession made the 14th day of
June, 1912, by the Government of the Province of Ontario represented by the
Honourable W. H. Hearst. ^Minister of Lands, Forests and Klines, comprising
and referring to lands of the Crown in the Township of Kendry and Haggart
in the District of Temiskaming, in the Province of On'tario and all benefits,
rights, privileges, franchises, claims and estate of the Assignors and each of
them in and to the said lands and to the timber thereon and other the premises
by the said Grant and Concession vested in the purchasers therein named or
intended so to be, subject nevertheless to the agreemen'ts, undertakings and
obligations of the said purchasers therein contained.
To have and to hold unto the Assignees, their successors and assigns freed,
cleared and absolutely discharged of and from all claims of the said Assignors,
their and each of their heirs, executors and administrators, therein and thereto.
And this Indenture further witnesseth that the said Assignees do hereby
covenant and agree wi'th Government that they will well and truly perform all
the covenants, agreements, obligations and duties assumed, undertaken or placed
upon the Purchasers under the said Grant and Concession and contained in the
Agreement between the Government and the Purchasers bearing date the four-
teenth day of June, 1912, and the Government doth hereby accept the obligation
of the Assignees in lieu of the obligations of the Purchasers contained in the
said Agreement and doth hereby release and discharge the Purchasers therefrom.
And it is hereby agreed and declared and understood between the Govern-
ment and the Assignees that the said Agreement of the fourteenth day of June,
1912, is for all purix)ses to be read and construed in the same manner and have
the same effect as if the same were originally made between the Government
and the Assignees and as if the Purchasers had not been parties thereto.
In witness whereof the parties hereto have executed these jDresents.
Signed, Sealed and Delivered
In the presence of
214
APPENDIX Xo. 1.
1914
RALPir S. CuMirixGS.
Amos McDonald.
Ralph S. Cummings.
Amos McDonald.
Aubrey White.
Willis K. Jackson.
George A. Jackson.
Annette T. Jackson.
Frank T. Tindle.
[Seal]
[Seal]
[Seal]
[Seal]
]^Ew Ontario Colonization Company,
Ltd. ' [Corporate Seal]
Willis K. Jackson,
President.
George A. Jackson,
Sec'ry.
W. H. Hearst.
Exhibit 4.
NEW OXTARIO COLOXIZATIOX CO., LIMITED.
Lands and Lumber.
(Buffalo Office)
Buffalo, X.Y., April 22, 1913.
Honoural)le Wm. H. Hearst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
Dear Sir: —
Would kindly call your attention to our letter Feb. 4th, which we have not
as yet received favorable reply to.
Trusting that the Department has the matter in mind and tliat we will soon
receive patent, we remain.
Yours truly.
(Sgd.) W. X. Jackson,
President.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 215
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(TELEGRAM)
February 20, 1913.
A. J. McDonald, Esq.,
Cochrane, Ont.
Have you inspected buildings of Jackson & Tindle ? If not, please do so
at once. If you have, give me by telegram number and kind of buildings and
value.
(Sgd.) A.W.
3 En Eg Feb. 31st..
80 collect Phoned
Cochrane, Ont., Feb. 20, 1913.
Received
Feb. 24, 1913.
Sales & Free Grants Branch.
A. White,
Toronto, Ont.
Inspected buildings yesterday. Boarding house, four thousand four hun-
dred dollars ; annex, two thousand five hundred ; house Xo. one, eight hundred
and fifty dollars; house Xo. 2, six hundred dollars; house Xo. 3, five hundred;
farm house, seven hundred and fifty ; farm house, six hundred dollars ; store
and office, twelve hundred dollars. Blacksmith shop, three hundred ; barn, nine
hundred ; depot, eighty-five ; laundry, one hundred and ten ; warehouse, five
hundred ; circular sawmill, six thousand ; band sawmill, thirty thousand. Let-
ter to-morrow.
(Sgd.) Alf. McDonald. 9.10 a.m.
Cochrane. Feb. 20, 1913..
Aubrey White, Esq.,
Deputy Minister Lands and Forests,
Toronto.
Sir:—
As instructed in Departmental Letter Xo. 3870/13. I went to Matagami
River and made an inspection of buildings erected and improvements made by
Messrs. Jackson & Tindle to best of my knowledge and enclose report of same.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd.) A. J. McDonald.
216 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
MEMO OF i:\IPROVEMEKTS, BUILDINGS, ETC., MADE BY
MESSRS. JAOKSON ct TINDLE ON LOTS IN KENDRY
TOWNSHIP AT ]\LVTAGAMI RIVER.
Lot 26, Cox. 7, Kexdby.
Boarding- House — Frame, 60x64; concrete basement; 2 storeys; value,
$4,400.00.
Annex l^oardiiiu House — Concrete foundation, 28x60, frame; value,
$2,500.00.
Hospital Building — Frame; 2 storeys; value, $225.00.
Frame House No. 1 — 24 x 24, 2 storeys; frame; value, $850.00.
Frame House No. 2—24 x 24, 2 storeys ; value, $600.00.
Frame House No. ?> — 24 x 24, 2 storeys ; value, $500.00.
Store and Offic(^Frame, 25 x 32 ; value, $1,200.00.
Four small outbuildings — Value, $200.00.
Laundry Building — Frame; value, $110.00.
Blacksmith Shop — Frame, 1 storey, 26 x 32 ; value, $300.00.
Construction Shed — 24 x 60, frame, 1 storey ; value, $450.00.
Circular Sawmill — 30 x 75 ft. ; 1 storey ; frame ; value, $6,000.00.
Tool Sheds — 1 storey, frame ; value, $200.00.
Band Sawmill, not completed — Frame, on concrete foundation, 40 x 142
ft. : portion 2 storeys, portion 3 storeys. Estimated capacity, 75,000 feet per
day. Value, with contents, $15,000.00.
Engine Room — 24 x 30, brick, concrete foundation ; corrugated iron roof,
li/o storeys ; value, $4,000.00.
Boiler House — 36x48, solid brick, fireproof, 1 storey; value, $11,000.00.
Mill Office— 12 X 20, frame, 1 storey; value, $200.00.
Lot 27, Con. 7, Kendry.
Wood Mill— For rossing, 32x142, frame; value, $1,500.00.
Warehouse— Frame, 20x80; value, $500.00.
Depot— Frame, 12 x 24; value, $85.00.
Dwelling House — 28 x 28, 2 storeys, frame; value, $750.00.
350,000 feet lumber in yard.
Three million feet logs on river.
Spur line in yard cost $3,000.00.
One hundred and ten acres land choj)ped and partly burned.
Lot 28, Con. 7, Kendry.
Dwelling House— Frame, 28 x 28, 2 storeys ; value, $600.00.
On south portions of Lots 26 and 27, Con. 6, are residency I)uildiiigs of
Transcontinental Engineers, which an- to Iw repaired. Present \alue ))laced
at $400.00.
(Sgd.) A. J. :\I( Donald.
George Y. APPENDIX No. 1. 217
Exhibit 5.
Cochrane, March 17/13.
Aubrey White, Esq.,
Deputy ^Minister Lands and Forests,
Toronto, Ont.
Sir: —
Tn connection with tinilier in Tlaooart and Kendrv Townships I may say
that I do not iind any largp quantities of timber in the township.
In Kendry Township there is no heavy timber except a fringe of spruce
and stunted cedar along the banks of the Matagami River. On some of the
ridges running back from the river some large Balm-of-Giliad is found, but
it is very faulty. A great portion of this towmship is covered with small Spruce
on muskeg land. This Spruce runs from 3 to 7 inches on the stump. Small-
sized Poplar and Birch occur on the ridges. Some of the Poplar is merchant-
able. The Birch is fit only for firewood. Taken as a whole this is a poorly
timbered township.
The land in Kendry is well suited for agricultural purposes, except in the
eastern portion of the township where muskeg occur. There is no Pine in
the township. I have been over quite a portion of Haggart Township and find
better timber than in Kendry.
From Lots 14 to 22, Cons. 8 and 9 some very good Spruce and Poplar is
found, but pulpwood is scarce in this strip.
Between the Matagami and Muskego rivers Lots 1 to 6, Con. 4 to 7, is
found some large Spruce, Poplar and Balm-of-Giliad, also some cedar of very
little value.
There is very little timber of value along the railway line through both
townships. All waney Spruce and Poplar being cut for construction purposes
on the Transcontinental Railway.
On Lot 20, Con. 7, Haggart, there are about 120 small Red Pine trees, the
only jiine I know of in the township.
At one time I did think there was Red Pine in the north part of the town-
ship, but I find on close examination that it is in Alexandria Township. There
is only a small quantity. Messrs. Jackson & Co. had at the time of my visit
to their place about 110,000 logs out on the river bank at their mill. Spruce,
Poplar, Balsam and Balm-of-Giliad. These logs are very small and in the
case of Balsam and Poplar are very faulty. The manager admitted they were
not good and also admitted being disappointed with the pulpwood. The com-
p«ny have done quite a lot of improvement on their property since taking
possession.
Their mills, houses, etc., I value at about $49,480. They had at that time
some 97 men employed, many of whom were men who had located lands in Clute
and Calder Towmships, w^ho were pleased to find employment so near their
homes for the winter months.
218 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
The Jackson people have built some very comfortable houses on the farm
lots. I am informed bv quite a few settlers that they intend seeking employ-
ment with the company during- such time as they may be able to spare from
their farms.
The company purchase from settlers in Clute, Calder and Glackmeyer
Townships all pulpwood they have to offer for sale.
I might also add that almost all of Haggart Township is well suited for
agriculture.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd. A. J. McDonald.
Exhibit 6.
Toronto, December 18th, 1913.
Sir:—
As directed by you I made a careful inspection of the improvements made
by the Xew Ontario Colonization Co., Ltd., under agreement dated June 14th,
1912, on the ]\[atagami River, in the Townships of Kendry and Haggart, in the
District of Sudbury, and beg to report as follows : —
Approximately 400 acres of land has been chopped and bu^-ned over, 300
acres of which has been logged up and all the debris burned off, with the excep-
tion of the stumps. The 300 acres has been fairly well drained and part of it
is under cultivation; 100 acres of the 400 is not yet logged up, although the
timber has been burned off.
The improvements have been confined to Lots 25, 26, 27 and 28, west of
the ^fatagami Piver, in the (5th, 7th and Sth Concessions of the Township of
Kendry, and a small ^wrtion of Lots 27 and 28, in the Hth Concession, north of
the Muskego River.
The building operations comprise the construction of one large sawmill,
the machinery in which consists of one donl>le cutting band and re-saw, capacity
50,000 feet board measure per day; one ])laiiing mill complete with the latest
and most up-to-date machinery ; six rossing machines, capacity 50 cords of
pulpwood per day. Sixteen private dwelling houses have been erected for
employees ; two large boarding houses with accommodation for one hundred men ;^
one general store and post office; one school, used also as a church. The school
has an average attendance of sixteen children.
From ten to twelve miles of colonization roads, fairly well graded and
ditched, has been constructed leading from the mill site in different directions
into the Township of Kendry. Ditches have also been dug throughout the
cleared or partly cleared portion.
George V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 219
On several occasions when visiting the Company's plant last summer, I
found from seventy-five to one hundred men either clearing up land, construct-
ing buildings, or taking out pulpwood or timber for their lumber operations.
I also observe a good growth of all kinds of vegetables on the lands that were
cultivated in the vicinity of the mill.
The buildings constructed are frame, of a very fair type, comfortable and
commodious. The men working around the mill and in the woods appear to
be well cared for, the very best of board and accommodation being supplied.
The Company sustained a severe loss early last season, when a fire swept
•over part of their territory and destroyed a large quantity of the logs they had
taken out the previous winter for the sawmill operations.
Connected with the mill there is a good blacksmith shop, carpenter shop
and machine shop, sutficient for the requirements of any operations that may
take place in connection with their operations.
The roads constructed are of a fair type, suitable for the requirements of
the early settlers, and compare favorably with roads constructed for coloniza-
tions purposes in Northern Ontario.
Where lumbering operations have taken place, care has been taken to do as
little damage to the woods as possible. The danger to fire has been reduced in
as far as it is practicable.
While examining the Company's operations I took photographs of the
mill and most of the buildings constructed by them ; also a photograph of one
of the Company's roads. From these photographs you will observe the class of
buildings being constructed. Xone of these photographs include the Company's
large boarding house, nor the annex boarding house or planing mill. Neither
do they include views of four houses south of the Trancontinental Railway on
lands partly cleared by them.
The following is an approximate estimate of the cost of the improvements
made by the Company. This estimate is very conservative and is far below
what the Company's management claims to have been spent : —
Ten miles of road, costing between $8,000 to $10,000
Clearing of land and draining, costing
between 15,000 to 20,000
Sawmill, planing mill and rossing machines,
approximately 75,000
Dwelling, store, school house, boarding
houses and storehouses 20,000
$118,000
I have the honor to be, Sir,
Your obedient servant,
(Sgd.) J. F. Whitson^
Road Commissioner.
The Honorable W. H. Hearst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines.
220 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
(Copy)
Exhibit 7.
23 Toronto St.,
Toronto, Feb. 8th, 1913.
The Honourable The Provincial Treasnrer,
Parliament l^nildings, Toronto.
Dear Sir: —
The writer may be known to you as the Valuator who acted in conjunction
with ~S[r. Turner in valuino- the realties of the Jacob Singer Estate. I would
take the liberty of anticipating a continuance of your esteemed confidence in
the future. I have been one of the Valuators for the Succession Duties Office
for some time and I think my valuations have been satisfactory to Mr. McLeod.
T would like to say that I have never acted in conjunction with any other
valtiator who was more painstaking and careful than was Mr. Turner, and I
would bespeak for him the same confidence w^hich I do for myself.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd.) J. Brandon.
Exhibit 8.
Waubaushene, Ont., October 29th, 1913.
W. H. Hearst, Esq.,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
" Tender for Timber."
Dear Sir: —
We will pay $18,250.00 bonus for the right to cut the "Red and White
Pine Timber on Berth No. 4 Township of Thistle, and herein enclose you our
marked cheque on the Royal Bank of Canada for $6,085.00 payable to the Hon-
ourable the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly,
(Sgd.) W. P. Sheppaed,
Gen. Manager.
(Enc.)
George V. API'KXDIX Xo. 1. 221
Toronto, October .".0. lOi:^,.
IToii. W. H. Hearst,
^linister Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
Dear Sir: —
We are ]>rej)ar('(l t<» pay in a luni|) sum as Bonus for the right to ont tlie
White and Red Pine Timber on the Timber Bertli Xo. 4, Township Thistle,
Fifteen Thousand Dolhirs ($15,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable The Treasurer of the
Province, dated October -'JOth, 1913, Xo. A 450, Bank of Toronto, for Five
Thousand Dollars (5,000.00), being one-third of the amount offered.
Tender is made subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined in
your circular dated August 18th, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd.) Herman H. Hettler Lumber Co.,
H. H. Hettler, Pro.
Exhibit 9.
Toronto, Ont., October 30, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hearst,
Minister Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
Dear Sir: —
We are prepared to pay in lump sum as Bonus for the right to cut the
White and Red Pine Timber on Timber Berth X^o. 3, Township of Thistle,
Thirty-two Thousand OO/OOO Dollars ($32,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable the Treasurer of the
Province, dated October 30th, 1913, X^o. A 454, Bank of Toronto for Ten thou-
sand six hundred and sixty-six 67/100 dollars ($10,G6().(iT), being one-third of
the amount offered.
Tender is made subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined in
your circular dated August ISth, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd.) Hermax H. Hkttler Lumber Co.,
H. H. Hettler, Pro.
222 APPENDIX No. 1. 1914
Waiibaushcne, Out., October 29th, 1913.
W. H. Hearst, Esq.,
^linistcr of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
" Tender for Timber."
Dear Sir : —
We will pay $26,500.00 bonus for right to cut the Red and White Pine
Timber on Berth No. 3, Township of Thistle, and herein enclose our marked
cheque on the Royal Bank of Canada for $8,831.00, payable to the Honourable
the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly,
(Sgd.) W. J. Sheppard^ Esq.,
Gen. Manager.
(Enc.)
Exhibit 10.
Toronto, October 30, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hearst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
Dear Sir: —
We are prepared to pay in a lump sum as Bonus for the right to cut the
White and Red Pine timber on Timber Berth No. 1, Township of McWilliams,
Fourteen Thousand OO/lOO Dollars ($14,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable the Treasurer of
the Province, dated October 30th, 1913. No. A/J 455, Bank of Toronto, for
Four Thousand Six Hundred and . Sixty-six f6Y/lOO Dollars ($4,666.67),
being one-third of the amount offered.
Tender is made subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined in
your circular dated August 18th, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
fHERMAN H. Hettler Lumber Cc,
H. H. Hettler, Pres.
George V. APPENDIX No. 1. 223
Waiil.ausheue, Out., October 29tb, 1913.
W. IT. Hearst, Esq., ••
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto.
" Tender for Timber."
Waubaushene, Ont., Oct. 29th, 1913.
Dear Sir: —
We will pay $14,250.00 bonus for the right to cut the Red and White Pine
Timber on Berth No. 1, Township of McWilliams, and herein enclose our
marked cheque on the Royal Bank of Canada for $4,750.00 payable to the
Honourable the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly,
W. jr. Sheppaed,
Gen. Manager.
(Enc.)
Exhibit 11.
Toronto, Ont., October 30, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hearst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ont.
We are prepared to pay in a lump sum as Bonus for the right to cut the
White or Red Pine timber on Timber Berth No. 2, Township of McWilliams,
Nine Thousand 00/100 Dollars ($9,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable the Treasurer of
the Province, dated October 30th, 1913, No. A/J 452, Bank of Toronto, for
Three Thousand OO/lOO Dollars ($3,000.00), being one-third of the amount
offered.
Tender is made subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined in
your circular dated August 18th, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
Herman H. Hettlee Lumber Co.,
H. H. Hettler, Pres.
224 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
Waubaushene, Out.. October 29th, 1913.
W. H. Hearst, Esq.,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto. '
" Tender for Timber,"
Dear Sir: —
^Ye will pay $9,100.00 bonus for the right to cut the Red and White Pine
timber on Berth Xo. 2, Township of McWilliams, and herein enclose our marked
cheque on the Royal Bank of Canada for $3,035.00, payable to the Honourable
the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly,
W. J. Sheppard,
(Enc.) Gen. Manager.
Exhibit 12.
Toronto, Ont., October 30, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hearst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ontario.
Dear Sir: —
We are prepared to pay in a lump sum as Bonus for the right to cut the
White and Red Pine Timber on Timber Berth Xo. 3, Township of McWil-
liams, Forty-two Thousand Dollars ($42,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable the Treasurer of the
Province, dated October 30th, 1913.
Xo. A/J 457 Bank of Toronto for Fourteen Thousand 00/100 Dollars
($14,000.00), being one-third of the amount offered.
Tender is made subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined
in your circular dated August 18th, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
(Sgd.) Herman H. Hettler Lumber Co.
H. H. Hettlk, Pr.
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The Georgian ll;iv Linnlicr ( '(unpaiiy. Limited.
\Vaiil)aii-li<-iic. Out., October 20th. 1013.
W. H. Hearst, Esq.,
^[inister oi Lands. Forests and Klines,
Toronto, Ontario.
" Tender for Timber."
Dear Sir: —
We will pay $46,250.00 bonus for the riiiht t.. enr tiie Ti-ed and White
Pine Timber on Berth Xo. o, Townshiji of MeWilliams, and herein enclose
onr marked ehecjne on the Koyal llank of Canada for $15,420.00, payable to
the Honourable the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly.
(Sg'd.) W. J. Sheppakd^
(Enc.) General Manager.
Exhibit 13.
The Georgian Bay Lumber Company, Limited.
Waiibaushene, Ont., October 20th, 1913.
W. H. Hearst, Esq.,
jMinister of Lands, Forests and Mines,
Toronto, Ontario.
" Tender for Timber."
Dear Sir : —
We will pay $0,500.00 bonus for the right to cut the Red and White
Pine Timber on I-Jerth Xo. 1. Township of Thistle, and herein enclose our
marked cheque on the Royal Bank of Canada for $3,167.00, payable to the
Honourable the Treasurer of the Province of Ontario.
Yours truly.
(Sgd.) W. L. Sheppard,
(Enc.) General Manager.
15 — J. A.
226 APPKXDIX Xc. 1. 1914
Toronto, (hit., October oOtli, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hoilrst.
^Iini>tor of Lands, F(»rests and Mines,
Toronto, Ontario.
Dear Sir: —
We are prepared to pay in a Innip sinn as Bonns for the riirlit to cut the
White and Red Pine Timber, on Timber Berth Xo. 1, Township of Thistle,
Twelve Thousand OO/OOO Dollars ($12,000.00).
Attached a marked cheque payable to the Honourable the Treasurer of the
Province, dated October 30th, 1913. Xo. A/J 453 Bank of Toronto, for
Four Thousand 00/100 Dollars. ('$4,000.00), being one-third of the amount
offered.
Tender is made, subject to the terms and conditions of sale as outlined in
your circular dated August ISth, 1913.
Yours respectfully,
(Signed) Hkkmax t.V IIettlek Lumber Co.
H. H. Hettler.
Toronto, Ont., October 30th, 1913.
Hon. W. H. Hearst,
Minister of ].ands. Forests and ]\Iines,
Toronto, Ontario.
Dear Sir : —
In conformity with yonr circular <lateil August 18th, 1913, re sale of Red
and White Pine Timber, we hereby offer ])rices as placed opposite each berth
hereunder, and enclose herewith our cheques for one-third of the aniomit which
we offer for each lierth : —
Anidunt 1/3 checks
offered. enclosed.
13erth Xo. 1, Thistle 10.000 00 3,333 34
Berth Xo. 2, Thistle (i,()00 00 2,000 00
Berth Xo. 3, Thistle 2.5,000 00 8,333 34
Berth X"©. 4, Thistle 1 H.OOO 00 5,333 34
Berth Xo. 1, :\L-Williani 13,000 00 4,333 34
Berth X^o. 2, McWilliam 10,000 00 3,333 34
Berth X"o. 3, McWilliam 51,000 00 17,000 00
Berth Xo. 4, McWilliam 4,000 00 1,333 34
$135,000 00 $45,000 04
George ^ "
ArPKXDIX No. 1
227
Should oiir tciuler bo acc(']tt(Ml tor niiy oi- nil of these berths, we are pre-
pared to enter into an agreement a- cjillcd tor in aceordance with your circular.
'^'oiii's very truly,
(Sig'ucil )• (ii-diiiiK Gordon i: Co., Limited,
Geokge Goudox, President.
Exhibit 14.
Memorandum showing Tenders received for Timber Berths in the Townships
of Thistle and :\rcWilliams Oii'ered for Sale on P,Oth of October, 1913.
Thistle Toirnship.
Sheppard. Hettler. Gordon.
Berth Xo. 1 . . . 0,500 12.000 10.000 Hettler, $12,000— :N'o. 1.
Berth ^o. 2 . . . 6,000 Gordon, 6,000— No. 2.
Berth Xo. 3. . . 26,500 32,000 25,000 Hettler, 32,000— Xo. 3.
Berth No .4. . .18,250 15,000 16,000 Sheppard 18,250— No. 4.
$68,250
McWilliams Township.
Gordon. Hettler. Sheppard.
Berth Xo. 1. . . 13,000 14,000 14,250 Sheppard $14,250— No. 1.
Berth No. 2. .. 10,000 9,000 9,100 Gordon, 10,000— No. 2.
Berth No. 3. . .51,000 42,000 46.250 Gordon, 51,000— No. 3.
Berth No. 4. . . 4,000 Gordon, 4,000— No. 4.
$79,250
AuBEEY White, Accept highest tender in each case.
Deputy ^linister. W. H. Hearst.
Department of Lands, Forests and Klines,
Toronto, October 31st, 1913.
22S APPENDIX Xo. 1. lOU
Ex IT HUT IT),
SALE OF RED AXD WHITE PIXE TIMBER.
Rt authority of Order-in-C'oiiiK'il tenders will l)e roeeived at the Depart-
ment of Lands. Forests and Mines, Toronto, u\) to and including- Thursday,
the 30th day of Oetoher. 1913, for the rig-ht to obtain a license to cut the Red
and White Pine Timber on the Tind)er P>erths hereafter described.
Terms (uid Coiidilions of SdJr.
1, Tenderers Avill state the amount tliey are ])re])ared to pay in a lump sum
as bonus for the right to cut the Red and White Pine timber on each of the
undermentioned berths, in addition to Crown dues of $5.00 per thousand feet
board measure, when the timber is cut. Each Berth to be adjudged to the
person bidding the highest amount of bonus therefor. In the event of square
or waney board timber being made the dues are to be paid upon the same at
the rate of $100 per thousand feet citbic in addition to bonus.
2. Licenses for the berths will l)e issued in due course after payment in full
of the bonus and annual ground rent at the rate of $10 per square mile. Xo
cutting shall be made until license is issued.
3. — Licenses will run ten years in addition to the present season, viz., to
the 30th of Ai)ril. 192-1, after which the right to cut the timber shall cease and
the timber remaining on the lands shall revert to the Crown.
4. Tind)or will be sold subject to the manufacturing condition, that is to
say, it must l>e manufactured in the Dominion of Canada.
5. Each berth to l)e tendered for separately and tenderers must deposit
with their tender a marked cheque for one-third of the amount offered, ]iayable
to the Honoural)le the Treasurer of the Province. Xotes to be given for the
remaining two-thirds, payable in three, six and nine months at a Bank in the
City of Toronto, with interest at 0 per cent. (Ji-onnd rent for the cnrrent
season to be paid with cash payment of lionns.
0. The successful tenderer shall sign a crmtract agreeing to carry out all
the conditions of the sale and make the paymeiirs at tlie times sjieciiied. Failure
to carry out any of the conditions of the sale oi- nuke the ])ayments as th(>y
come due shall entail forfeiture of the berth- and all ]iaynients made in con-
nection therewith.
7. The timber is to be cut in an economical manner and in accordance with
the directions of the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines, or its agent
George V. APPENDIX Xo. 1. 229
ap])ointed for that i)urposo. J)iU'S shall he iiaid on any timber loft in the
bush not cut or hauled which, in tlie oj)inion of the otticer of the Dei)artnient,
should have been taken out, delivered and paid for.
8. The timber cut bv the jjureliaser shall be measured on the ground by
a culler or cullers appointed by the Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines, and
the measurement made by such culler or cullers -hall be final, and shall be the
basis on which accounts for logs, timber, etc., cut each year shall be prepared
by the Department and paid by the purchaser.
0. The wages and expen^^es of such culler or cullers shall be borne in equal
pro])ortions by the licensee and the Department of Lands, Forests and Mines.
10. In the event of any dispute arising as to measurement, the Minister
of Lands, Forests and Mines may, in his discretion, permit the purchaser to
pay on the output nf the logs when sawn into luml)er, excluding fmm such
lumber only the class of lumb(M- known as dead culls. Dues to be i)aid on
" mill culls and better."
11. In the event of any square timber being cut, the dues upon the same
shall be paid before the timber passes out of the Province of Ontario.
12. Xo green pine trees of a less diameter than twelve inches on the stump,
two feet from the ground to be cut.
13. The rights of holders of mining claims or locations, or lands purchased
for other purposes, if any, are reserved.
14. The sale to be subject to the Crown Timber Regulations, except in so
far as the same may be inconsistent with any conditions herein specified, and
to such Acts or Orders-in-Council as now exist or may hereafter be passed
affecting timl)er or territory under license from the Crown.
Tenders to be enclosed in sealed envelo])es marked " Tender for Timber,''
and to be addressed by registered letter to the .Minister of Lands, Forests and
Mines, Toronto.
Maps showing berths offered for sale may be obtained on ap]dication to
the Department, or to the Crown Timber Agents at Xorth Bay and Sudbury.
W. 11. IIkarst,
Minister of Lands, Forests and Mines.
Toronto, August l.'^th, 1!»1.'L
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APPKXDIX Xo. 1.
1914
DESCRIPTION OF TIMBER BERTHS.
District or Nipissing.
Township of Thistle.
Berth Xo. 1. Berth No. 2.
Con. 1— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 2— I^ts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 3— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Area 0 sq. miles, more or less.
Con. 4— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 5— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 6— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Area 814 sq. miles, more or less.
Berth No. 3.
Con. 1— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Con. 2— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Con. 3— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Area 13 sq. miles, more or less.
Berth No. 4.
Con. 4— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Con. 5— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Con. 6— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Area 101^ sq. miles, more or less.
Toirnsliip of McWilliams.
Berth No. 1. Berth No. 2.
Con. 1-^Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 2— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, G.
Con. 3— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, n.
Area 9 sq. miles, more or less.
Con. 4— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. 5— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Con. G— Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Area 9 sq. miles, more or less.
Berth No. 3.
Con. 1— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Con. 2— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Con. 3— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Area 9 sq. miles, more or less.
Berth No. 4.
Con. 4— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
Con. 5— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Con. G— Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Area 9 sq. miles, more or less.
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KxiiiKir 1 (■>.
C'KXTIJAI. I'RISOX FATLM, GUELPTT, OXT.
Fiuaiu'inl Sratciiicnt foi- the year endiiiii' Ocrober -'ll. ll»i:i, and Estimate of
Cost of Construction.
Provincial Secretary's Department, Ontario.
StATK.MKXT ok Kxi'K.XDlTUKE TO OcTOBKB 31, 1913.
Cki\ti;ai, Pi; I SOX Fakm^ Guelpii.
Main Beformatory Buildings.
Administration iJnildinii. Warden's and Officers'
Quarters and Connecting- Link $80,811 50
Centre Guard Tower, Keception Cells. Temporary
Hospital ". 33,665 71
Inside x\dministration Buildiiiii', Detention Cells,
Guards' Quarters, etc 7,071 53
Cell Blocks, Xos. 1 and 2 52,018 96
Dormitory Xo. 1 and Stair Tower 55,239 12
Dormitory Xo. 2 and Stair Tower 53,571 14
Heating and Ventilation Systems for Dormitories,
Cells, Centre Guard Tower and Inside Admin-
istration Building 15,128 58
Dining Room, Kitchen, jjakery and Stores .... 13,603 38
Laundry and Bath House - 21,876 65
Steam Distribution Lines, Electrical Equipment in
Power Station Transformers and Afotors .... 6,025 63
Power House and Transformer Station Smokestack,
Coal Vaults, Steam and Power Transmission
Line Tunnels 1,917 18
Septic Tank, Contact LJed, Sewers. Flu>hing Tanks
and Disposal generally $11,263 17
$352,222 55
licfoniKilori/ I luJiuslrial Centre.
Alaehine Shop. Shoe Shop and Tailor Shoj) $58,755 82
Woollen ATill, Enamel and Paint Shop and Hearing
Annex 3,115 34
$61,901 la
232 APPENDIX No. 1. 1V>14
Land Incest nicnt Accoioit.
Lands purchased $66,040 95
Fences, Improviiiii' Lands, Koads and Bridges .... 32,672 99
Drainage 4,344 33
Oreliark and Trees 2.723 18
$105,781 45
rcDntuicnl fndiisl rial < ) jicrni ions.
Dairv and Storage Barns, Silos, Creamery P>nild-
ing, Befrigerator and K(iui])nienr and Ilerds-
nicn's Qnarters $:>2.»;74 48
Alca Plaster Plant and Equiinnciit L618 80
Cement Brick Plant 456 87
Blacksmith Shop 1,564 33
Carpenter Shop and Planing ]\Iill 4,183 54
Crnsher Plant and Storage Bins 9,825 40
Gravel and Sand Screening Apparatns 211 44
Hvdrated Lime Plant . . .^ 7,469 72
Lime Kiln and Shed^ 4,620 79
Qnarry Equipment 1,408 35
Cement Strnctnral Tile Plant 12,309 C,Q
Machine Shop 214 44
^ $76,557 82
Plant and PJ(juiinnt'itf.
Road ^lachinerv, consisting of Steam Road Power
Grader Wheel Scrapers, Portable Crnsher and
Traction Engine $5,595 00
Steam Boilers, Electric, Water and Telephone
Eqnipment. Fire Protection, Concrete Mixers,
Gasoline Engines 10,439 18
Railway Eqnipment, inclndiiig Kails, Locomotive,
Cars, etc 9,486 41
Steam Shovel 1,560 00
Hoisting Engines and Derricks 2,355 00
Tools, Wheelbarrows, Cable Ro]k' and Sundry
Eqnipment 4,270 11
$33,705 70
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01 her . I x.sY'/x, Sfocl/s on Hand.
Alca Plaster Stock .$->!!:] 1)8
Blacksmith Stock .'500 09
Cement Stock 1 .203 35
Cement Brick Stock 307 97
Hardware Stock 11.4r,2 90
Fuel Stock 400 00
Feed and Fodder Stock 2,780 60
Hydratcd Lime Stock 4,838 90
Lumber Stock 10,214 68
Provisions Stock • • . . •"»f'3 ri4
Paints and Oils Stock 580 43
Paint Shop Stock 61 19
Structural Tile 2,596 98
Bills Beceivable, beinff amounts owing' by other Insti-
tutions for work and material 13,296 05
Live Stock and Implements 17.520 96
Furniture and Furnishings 8,642 08
Temporary Dormitory and other Temporary Build-
ings, material in which will be available in con-
struction elsewhere 30.005 77
$106,150 4 6
Miscellaneous.
Canadian Pacific Railway Siding $541 90
Improving Original Farm Buildings 2.881 46
Preliminary Investigations 466 64
Architect and Engineering 23,241 02
]\raintenance of Prisoners to be distributed 186,150 65
$213,281 67
Siunmnry.
Main Reformarory Buildings $352,222 55
Reformatory Industrial Centre 61.001 16
Land Investment Account 105,781 45
Permanent Industrial Operations 76,557 82
Plant and Equipment 33,705 70
Other Assets 106,150 46
Miscellaneous 213,281 67
$040,600 81
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ESTIMATK OF ExrEXKITURE XeCESSAEY TO COMPLETE BuiLDIXGS AT CeNTRAT.
Prison Farm. Guelpii.
Main Bcformatorn Buildings.
Centre Guard Tower. Eeception Cells, Infirmary
Hospital \ $43,868 22
Inside Administration Building, Detention Cells,
Guards' Quarters ^ 21,901 72
Cell Blocks Xos. 1 and 2 18,167 04
Dormitory Xo. 1 and Stair Tower 6,646 11
Dormitory Xo. 2 and Stair Tower 6,358 47
Heating for Dormitories and Cell Blocks, Guard
Tower and Inside Administration Ihiildings,
etc . 19,871 42
Dining-room Building. Kitchen, Bakery and Stores. 44,521 62
Laundry and Bath House 14,633 43
Power House Smoke Stack, Transformer Station and
Coal Vaults. Steam and Power Transmission
Line Tunnels 41,426 30
Boiler Installation and Equipment 14,600 00
Electrical Equipment Inside, Transformers, Motors,
Generators, etc 6,273 20
Electric Distribution System, Outside 5,000 00
Steam Distribution Lines 5.700 00
248,967 53
Beformatory Industrial Centre.
Wood-working Factory $30,766 00
Dry Kiln . . 2,500 00
Woollen ]Mill. Ihuimel and Paint Shops and Heating
Annex 44,280 47
Paw and Finished Products Buildings 18,154 00
$95,700 47
Miscellaneous.
Water Supply and Reservoir $15,000 00
Sr-vvers and Sewage Disposal 1,200 00
Poads and Land Improvement 10,000 00
Improving Original Farm Buildings 2,500 00
Fences 800 00
Architect and Engineering 20,000 00
■ $40,500 00
Total $385,168 00
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HOSPITAL FOR IXSANE, WHITBY, ONTARIO.
Financial Statement for Year Ending October 31st, 1913, and Estimate of
Cost of Construction.
Provincial Secretary's Department. Ontario.
Statement of Expenditure up to October 31, 10l;>. Hospital for
Insane, Whitby.
Permanent Buildings.
Cottage No. 1 $6,992 35
Cottage No. 2 6,181 67
Cottage No. 3 5,761 70
Cottage No. 4 5,861 16
Cottage No. 5 2,489 93
Cottage No. 6 3,721 07
Cottage No. 7 4,767 26
Cottage No. 8 4,413 54
Central Dining Room and Kitchen No. 1 143 80
Administration Building 4,114 68
Waterworks and Sewage Disposal 18,187 50
$62,634 66
Land Investment Account.
Lands Purchasetl $77,230 75
Fencing 441 01
Roads and Sidewalks 532 72
Farm LJrainaa'e 6,351 82
$84,556 30
Industria 1 Ope rat ion s.
Patent Rights Siegwart Beams $536 50
Siegwart Beam Plant 7,884 87
Carpenter Shop 2,853 64
Blacksmith Shop 155 82
Gravel Screenino; Plant and Crusher 3,173 27
$14,004 10
236 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
riant and Equipment.
Concrete :^rixeis, Pnnips, etc 2.080 80
Fire Equipment, Telephones and Electric Lighting-
System 2,698 22
Rails, Locomotive, Cars, etc 13,090 56
Clam Shells, Cars and Elevating Apparatus 2,224 64
Hoisting Engines, Derricks, Wheelbarrow, Cable
Rope. Tools and Equipment generally 16,848 74
$36,942 96
Other Assets.
Live Stock, Farm Implements, etc $16,929 93
Furniture and Furnishings 11,223 58
Architects and Engineering Equipment 691 15
Stocks on hand :
Hardware $5,104 33
Paints and Oils 1,194 55
Lumber 21,458 61
Cement 6,618 19
Lime 4Y7 64
Plumbing Sui)i)ly 2,161 21
Alca Plaster . . .' 3 40
Structural Tile 679 57
Feed and Fodder 5,062 27
Provisions 255 13
Fuel 3,658 14
$46,673 04
Accounts Receivable ] 30 40
Prison Dormitory, material in which is available for
elsewhere 7,438 10
Patients Dormitory, material in which is available
for elsewhere 2,312 01
Other Buildings, material in which is available for
elsewhere 5,264 23
Miscellaneous.
Grand Trunk Railway Siding $9,657 21
Repairs to Original Farm Buildings 2,268 89
Maintenance of Patients and Prisoners 44,724 94
$90,668 44
$56,651 04
George V. Al'l'KX I )I X X(». 1. 23:
Permanent J^nildinjis $02,0.'>4- Od
Land Investment Account (S4,.'35(> oO
Inrhistrial Operations 14,004 10
Plant and Eqniimicnr .'U;,l»42 00
Miscellaneous r)(i,Or)l 04
Other Assets 90,668 44
Total $846,057 50
Estimate of Cost of CoNSTKr( riox of Bi'ii.dings of Hospital for Insane,
Whitby. Based on a po])ulation of 1000 Patients, provision beino; made
to take care of increased })0]»n]ation. To do this has necessitated charging
for larger Sewage Disposal System, Water Works. Tlcat, T.iuhr and Power
Transmission and similar items, which must in the tirst instance be put
in with large enough capacity to take care of any subsequent increase
in population.
Administration Building and connections to adjacent
buildings ^ " $37,600 00
Two Admission Hospitals, Male and Female 88,300 00
Two Cottages at Admission Centre 27.600 00
Kitchen and Dining-rooms at Admission Centre .... 24,100 00
Two Acute Hospitals, Male and Female 122,400 00
Physician's Residence and Administrative Section of
Cottage Centres 8,000 00
Two Infirmaries, Male and Female, at Cottage Centre 81,000 00
Ten Convalescent and Industrial Cottages, Male and
Female 233,300 00
Two Kitchen and Dining-room Buildings, one for
each Cottage Centre 54,200 00
Tubercular and Isolation Group 25,500 00
Power Building, Coal Vaults, Workshop, Bakery,
Stores, etc 88,200 00
Power Station Equipment for Heating, Lighting and
Power, Domestic Hot Water, etc 00,000 00
Laundry and Wash Building 31,600 00
Laundry, AVashing and Disinfecting, ^[achinery an<l
Equipment 12,200 00
Mortuary. Ambulance Shed, etc 5,600 00
General ]\[edical Building and connection to adjacent
Buildings 46,100 00
Sedimentation Tanks. Xos. 1 and 2, Contact Beds,
Iron and Tile Sewers and Discharge Pipe .... 23,350 00
238 APPEXDIX Xo. 1. lOU
Storm Sewers, Road Gutters, Gulleys, Continuous
Batli Drainage, Clilorination Tank and Dis-
charge 7,000 00
Steam and Hot Water Distribution System 72,000 00
Electric Distribution System, including the lighting
of all roads ' 46,000 00
Water Main into Institution 6,500 00
Water Main around Buildings 15,000 00
Conduit, Tunnels, Trenching, etc., for Mains 48,000 00
Refrigeration and Cold Storage 9,000 00
Clearing Grounds, Grading, etc 12,400 00
$1,215,850 00
Add for Professional Services (Architects and En-
gineers) 60,000 00
1,275,850 00
Add for Contingencies 50,000 00
$1,325,850 00
Lands 03,326 00
Total $1,419,176 00
Exhibit 18.
Stock and Treasury Bills Issued Under Authority of 2 Geo. V. Cap. 2.
1912.
Amount Issued. Net Receipts..
June 1st (£200,000) $ 973,333 33 $ 954,101 62
Aug. 29th (£100.000) 486,666 66 476,895 93
1913.
Feb. 13th (£20,547-18-11) $ 100,000 00 $ 100,000 00
July 30th (£400,000) 1,946,666 66 1,887,989 77
Sept. 3rd (£200,000) 973,333 33 943,851 40
£920,547-18-11 $4,480,000 00 $4,362,83S 72
EXHIBIT 17
HOSPITALS FOR THE INSANE
PROVINCIAL SECRETARY'S DEPARTMENT. ONTARIO
Comparative Statement of Average Maintenance Cost per Capita per Day for the 12 Months ending 31st. Oct., 1913.
BR0CET1LLB COBODRO HAMILTON KINGSTON LONDON .\IlMICO ORILLIA PENETANO TORONTO WOODSTOCK
Breakfast Foods and Cereals. .
13.78 14.98 8.92 9.01 14.64 14.66 13.73 14.13 13.90 12.58 12.50 13.44 9.79 10.72 11.11 10.72 16.89 17.92 14.95 15.35
.32 .28 .14 .19 .27 .25 .25 .25 .42 .4U .40 .31 .23 .14 .21 .lU .22 .24 .28 .27
l.aa 1.83 1.24 1.13 2.66 2.31 2.03 1.93 2.20 l.!)6 2.94 2.74 2.09 2.33 1.89 1.94 2.94 2.64 3.81 4.02
Coffee and Tea .48 .47 .38 .41 .47 .45 .56 .50 .63 .60 .32 .39 .33 .32 .43 .44 .43
Eres .47 .57 .49 .43 .33 .31 .36 .29 .21 .18 .26 .54 .11 .07 .01 .01 .57
Flour. Bread, Etc 1.57 1.88 1.46 1.43 1.82 1.82 1.78 1.80 2.27 1.89 1.67 1.84 1.95 2.12 1.84 1.89 1.62
Fruit and Vesetablea— Fresh .29 .33 .37 .31 .77 .74 .31 .52 .59 ..58 .63 .75 .35 .71 .21 .23 .27
Canned and Dried ,53 .56 .10 .19 .35 .42 .59 .57 .45 .26 .20 .33 .29 .34 .20 .19 .59
Milk 1.56 1.77 1.44 1.45 1.49 1.23 1.18 1.24 1.38 1.32 1.13 1.02 1.15 .83 1.73 1.23 1.9U
Potaloes .86 1.05 .33 .33 .65 .84 .76 .84 .54 .29 .66 .55 .31 .32 .29 .44 .77
Salt. .Spices. Pickles, etc .07 .07 .02 .03 .08 .08 .07 .08 .11 .08 .06 .06 .03 .05 .02 .01 .11
Sugar and Syrup 79 .94 .51 .54 .72 .86 .75 .79 .85 1.06 .74 .90 .56 .57 .23 .34 .84
Unenumerated Groceries 87 .88 .52 .45 .67 .81 .74 .76 1.01 .46 .50 .82 .24 .25 .63 .12 .65
Butchers' Meat 3.48 3.98 1.88 2.07 3.74 3.86 3.81 4.04 3.01 3.14 2.43 2.66 1.77 2.26 2.99 3.23 5.05
FishandFowl 50 .37 .04 .05 .72 .68 .54 .52 .23 .36 .56 .53 .38 .41 .43 .42 .93
1.67
1.73
.33
1.14
.87
.74
1.52
3.05
1.12
.81
FUEL. LIOBT AND WATER 7.66 8.12 5.58 5.61 6.28 6.26 7.46 7.16 5.05 4.82 7.26 7.10 3.80 3.63 7.75 5.83 6.43 5.94 9.11
llandWood 5.39 5.74 3.88 3.82 4.85 4.95 7.41 7.10 4.04 3.59 7.14 6.98 3.00 3.01 6.40 4.64 4.82 4.59 5.50
.12 1.15 1.14 .56 .44 2.34 2.48
i &1 i >■' i i Boots. Shoes.
CLOTHING 1.83 2.41 .69 1.07 1.50 1.49 2.21 2.38 2.07 1.95 1.43 1.70 2.36 2.30
ClothiDB—Drj Goods 1.32 1.95 .45 .S3 1.18 1.21 1.70 1.84 1.61 1.42 1.13 1.40 1.87 1.77
Laundry and Cleaning..
Brushes, Brooms and Mops
Miscellaneous Expenses
General Repairs i.9g 2. 01 .71 .89 2.02 2.00 3.05 3.33 2.30 2.45 2.32 2.42 1.91 1.92 1.31 1.02
e and Furnishings 1.53 j.si .33
Plant.
Office Expenses..
Miscellaneous Items
Postage
Telephone and Telegraph .
.02
2.00
3.05
3.33
2.30
2.45
2.32
2.42
1.91
.60
1.45
2.13
2.63
1.67
1.82
1.77
1.85
1.09
2.77
1.99
2.18
4.82
6.02
1.69
1.61
1.67
2.44
2.66
2.96
2.48
2.72
3.12
3.17
2.04
1.02
.87
1.44
1.28
SALARIES 1827 16.48 23.03 22.27 13.65 13.59 22.25 21.15 16.55 15.43 18.16 18.62 10.74 10.06 18.05 18.03 16.33 16.53 21.47 22.11
Supt. and Physloiana ... i.gg 2. 06 6.09 5. 95 1.60 1.76
Bursar and Assistants . 1.47 1.54 2.68 2.28 1.01 1.04
Matron and Assistants 2,55 2.16 5.19 4.86 2.06 2.00
Engineer and Assistants i.jo 1.35 3,33 3,40 1.03 1.06
Artisans, not Domestic .92 .82 .60 .53 .50 .53 1.37 1.34 .91 .93 .76 .83 .54 .61 1.68 1.29
Farm and Garden 1.38 1.03 1.16 1.07 1.13 1.05 1.16 1.17 1.42 1.31 1.90 1.83 .61 .44 2.10 2.15 .66 .76 3.10 3.12
Teachers
Attendants 5.3J
Nurses 3,11 2.62 4.98 4.18 1.95 2.11 4.82 4.04 2.60 2.50 2.98 2.84 .89 .79 2.05 2.16 3.67 3.21 2.16 2.46
Temporary Assistance
6.31
4.87
3.11
2.62
.01
4.67
4.67
4.48
4.48
3.21
1.78
1.60
2.60
2.79
1.58
1.20
1.20
1.42
1.39
2.92
2.54
2.36
2.37
2.52
1.53
1.82
1.61
2.06
1.96
1.34
.91
.93
.76
.83
1.17
1.42
1.31
1.90
1.83
5.36
4.37
4.02
4.08
4.46
4.04
2.60
.01
2.50
2.98
2.84
5.42
4.76
4.99
5.86
6.32
5.20
4.67
4.91
5.72
6,03
.22
.09
.08
.11
.29
3.32
4.31
3.71
3.17
2.80
2.03
2.63
2.96
1.06
1.73
.96
1.23
.50
1.16
.62
4.23
4.29
4.30
3.71
5.40
5.11
3.82
3.86
4.16
3.65
5.32
5.07
.41
.43
.14
.06
.08
.04
3.68
3.19
.62
1.55
7.25
5.54
3.13
2.73
.17
1.38
6.03
3.77
Allowances
Etuplorees' Meals and UDiformB .
Employees' Otber AUowaocea
Farm and Garden
Feed and Fodder
MiscellaDeous Farm Expenses
Seeds. Etc
Contingencies
AmiisemeDls, Relisioo, EducatlOQ .
Elopers, Cost of Recovery
Freisht. Duties, Etc
For Capita cMt per d»r lew Salaries 31.54 34.17 18.66 19.34 29.59 29.88 33.14 33.43 29.72 27.67 28.89 29.76 22.48 22.94 26.80 23.91 29 86 31.80 36.04 34.53
ofSalariM 22.94 21.15 27.18 26.01 18.15 18.25 27.95 26.57 21.31 20.42 24.02 24.94 13.69 12.98 22.28 22.32 20.63 20 21 20.87 27.22
Total groM per capita cost por d«r 54.48 55.32 45.84 45.36 47.74 48.05 61.09 60.00 51.03 48.09 52.91 54.70 36.17 35.92 49.08 46.23 50.49 52 04 62.91 01.75
LeMtotal recovery per capita per day .... 13.28 11.31 2.48 2.25 15.37 14.42 11.37 1!.66 16.42 15.94 16.51 14.26 7.81 7.39 7.64 6.69 16.00 19.14 34.33 29.87
Net per capita burden payable bjProvincB 41.20 44.01 43.30 43.10 32.37 33.73 49.72 48.34 34. CI 32.16 36.40 40.44 28.36 28.53 41.44 39.54 34.49 32.90 28.58 31.88
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HOSPITALS FOR THE INSANE
PROVINCIAL SECRETARY'S DEPARTMENT. ONTARIO
Comparisons, Appropriation, Expenditure, Consumption, Population and Revenue tor the 12 months ending 31st Oct., 1913
BROOKVILLE COBOURG HAMILTON KINGSTON LONDON
ORILLIA PENETANG TORONTO WOODSTOCK
Days' residence of Patients
255
291
66
009
467
308
209
907
396
564
232
343
297
402
133
170
331
782
74
657
Average number of Patients
699
42
155
44
1
280
29
575
08
1
083
73
636
55
814
80
364
84
908
99
204
63
MEDICINES
Appropriation
H
200
200
1
200
1
200
1
200
1
200
1
200
750
1
500
700
Expenditure
I
195
79
125
25
1
167
14
1
193
74
1
196
37
875
57
1
163
79
158
76
1
121
52
523
43
Consumption
1
348
89
125
25
1
215
93
1
286
10
1
245
92
788
22
1
164
64
158
76
i
141
17
623
43
PROVISIONS
Appropriation
$41
000
7
800
72
000
36
000
68
000
38
000
35
000
18
000
69
000
12
000
Expenditure
40
985
16
6
803
20
71
943
36
32
528
86
55
767
45
31
980
01
31
592
71
16
165
93
65
780
27
11
877
34
Consumption
35
165
89
4
994
66
68
403
87
28
830
32
54
977
78
29
054
32
29
116
89
14
799
41
56
039
45
11
163
85
HEAT AND LIGHT
Appropriation
$22
500
4
450
30
500
16
000
23
000
14
200
13
000
11
600
20
500
8
000
Expenditure
21
956
81
2
852
40
30
131
51
15
972
36
18
765
81
13
724
88
10
350
42
9
880
87
20
249
06
7
836
69
Consumption
19
571
34
3
124
70
29
318
37
15
662
15
19
989
81
16
867
19
11
302
13
10
321
70
21
321
85
6
802
07
CLOTHING, ETC.
Appropriation
$6
800
900
8
500
6
800
9
400
6
000
7
500
4
800
6
600
1
000
Expenditure
5
780
97
522
50
8
339
27
5
778
26
8
637
13
4
003
10
7
200
24
2
223
50
6
463
04
401
20
Consumption
4
670
18
386
36
7
015
84
4
637
61
8
179
09
3
321
30
7
033
11
2
036
13
3
517
63
396
17
LAUNDRY. ETC.
Appropriation
$2
300
660
2
800
2
740
4
200
2
300
2
700
1
200
3
5011
1
200
Expenditure
1
829
65
413
06
2
330
81
2
548
55
3
629
79
1
800
64
2
271
78
280
41
3
419
62
800
98
Consumption
1
978
57
427
39
2
864
67
2
651
27
3
711
31
1
895
90
2
420
25
640
54
3
267
98
800
21
REPAIRS. ETC.
Appropriation
$6
300
1
000
10
000
7
000
10
000
6
500
6
300
4
000
7
000
1
500
Expenditure
5
931
97
488
42
9
738
37
6
911
36
9
993
12
5
960
50
5
472
68
1
992
87
6
975
04
I
235
28
Consumption
6
043
68
397
83
9
441
59
6
403
54
9
103
39
6
399
07
5
672
61
1
749
99
7
4SS
93
1
032
32
OFFICE
Appropriation
$1
200
300
1
400
1
500
1
600
1
200
900
600
1
500
500
Expenditure
976
80
258
11
1
375
71
1
411
16
1
139
50
1
017
67
649
83
401
52
1
054
40
421
54
Consumption
975
78
273
11
1
372
77
1
383
16
1
136
83
1
142
97
639
73
401
52
1
117S
30
418
64
SALARIES
Appropriation
$51
017
15
110
06
907
60
973
67
990
48
276
35
982
27
810
61
862
18
181
Expenditure
46
655
94
12
899
78
63
795
97
46
706
76
65
482
04
42
191
99
31
946
68
24
028
06
54
177
58
16
023
75
Consumption
68
584
35
16
223
98
84
830
65
58
666
62
S4
298
78
56
808
63
40
708
02
29
667
75
68
437
80
20
056
13
FASM, ETC.
Appropriation
$7
600
400
8
000
6
660
8
000
4
000
5
500
4
600
7
200
3
000
Expenditure
7
483
46
203
83
7
883
68
5
764
42
7
995
90
3
073
95
5
411
83
4
329
51
2
113
32
2
904
94
Consumption
9
663
76
207
12
16
542
29
7
081
16
17
066
28
7
365
57
8
060
22
4
895
80
2
062
13
6
413
30
CONTINGENCIES
Appropriation
$2
900
680
4
100
2
460
2
600
2
200
1
500
900
5
000
1
000
Expenditure
2
176
97
514
78
2
902
65
1
699
56
2
296
38
1
269
56
1
381
33
687
88
3
009
62
299
39
Consumption
2
086
69
514
78
3
088
97
1
736
38
2
161
97
1
301
17
1
447
58
687
88
3
158
11
361
89
TOTAL MTCE.
Appropriation
$142
717
31
360
205
407
130
323
185
790
123
875
109
582
74
100
183
562
47
081
Expenditure
134
973
52
25
081
33
199
608
47
120
515
03
174
903
49
105
902
87
97
441
29
60
149
31
164
363
47
42
324
54
Consumption
139
088
13
26
674
18
223
094
95
128
237
30
201
870
16
122
944
24
107
664
98
65
359
48
167
503
36
46
967
41
CAPITAL ACCTS.
Appropriation
$81
700
4
400
35
400
38
600
68
000
34
900
92
300
27
400
206
800
13
400
Expenditure
47
972
25
3
357
67
27
652
59
24
484
01
50
525
77
19
603
07
22
456
44
20
544
47
2
503
94
11
262
64
GRAND TOTAL
Appropriation
$224
417
36
760
240
807
168
823
243
790
158
775
201
882
101
660
390
362
60
481
Expenditure
182
945
77
28
439
227
261
06
144
999
04
225
429
26
125
505
94
119
897
73
80
693
78
166
867
41
53
587
13
From Paying Patients this year to date
last "
$22 234
15 038
Cents 8
Cents 5
16
37
71
98
1 033
851
1
41
38
85
46
40
302
521
9
8
52
67
91
87
16
If,
778
809
7
8
67
16
98
13
39
36
537
877
10
9
28
40
36
25
19
173
190
10
8
75
.34
83
74
13 230
9 684
48
43
2 668
2 532
2
1
68
86
00
91
51
67
920
275
15
17
14
76
6!
50
13
13
364 18
087 67
Patients' Uoveuuo per capjla this year
last "
4
3
45
17 90
18 60
From Farm and Misc. Sales this year
last •■
$343
440
76
28
123
191
45
02
562
617
81
05
604
733
42
78
1
638
049
38
24
1
533
804
95
58
355
753
12
80
873
587
56
74
1
877
007
45
86
3
1
223 38
665 86
Farm and Misc. Revenue per capita
this year
Cents
13
22
12
30
16
23
12
66
26
4 32
Farm and Misc. Revenue per capita
hist year
Cents
18
34
11
36
27
82
26
44
31
2 35
Total Revenue this year
last "
$22 577
15 478
92
66
1 156
1 042
86
40
46
41
865
038
33
17
17
383
542
09
94
40
37
175
926
66
64
25
20
707
994
70
92
13 585
10 438
60
23
3 542
3 120
24
59
52
68
798
283
39
61
16
14
5S7 56
743 63
Total Revenue l>er capit* per day this
year
Cents 8
84
2
07
10
03
8
28
10
16
11
06
4
57
2
66
15
91
22 22
Total Revenue per capita per day last
Cents 6
16
1
86
s
9S
8
48
9
63
9
56
3
50
2
35
17
81
20 95
year
Farm Production Consumption this year
last "
Cetils 4
Cents 5
44
16
41
39
5
5
34
34
3
3
09
18
6
6
26
31
5
4
45
70
3
3
24
89
4
4
98
34
1
09
33
12 11
8 92
Total Recovery per capita this year
last •■
Cents 13
Cents 11
28
31
2
2
4S
26
15
14
37
32
U
11
37
66
16
15
42
94
16
14
51
26
7
7
81
39
7
6
64
69
16
19
00
14
34 33
29 87
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Expenditure foi- Xurtlicrn C)nt:irio 1 icvclnpincin t,, X'ov. J, l'Jl;j $l,300,4b!> 12
do. to Xovombcr Isi. I!tl2 $236,833 57
" to February Htli. r.M:; 230,746 32
" t.. -luly 1st, li)l;; 443,181 05
•' to August 1st, im:; 543,899 45
" " to September 4th, 19 1:) !)44,015 97
" to Xovember 1st, 1913 1,300,489 12
Expenditure for other services included in Estimates
for r.U2 and I'.H:; $3,062,349 12
$4,362,838 72
Exhibit 19.
Important Xoru k io riri; I xsi'kctohs ok Riijai, Public axd Sktarate
Schools in the Organized Counties.
The Legislative grants earned bv the rural public and separate schools in
the counties in 1906 amounted to $178,265.00, and in 1907 (the first year in
which the present system for computing these grants was used), $356,726.42.
N'otwithstanding the increase in 1907, each succeeding year has witnessed large
additions to the amount required to pay the grants earned by these schools in full.
In 1911 the appropriation was $380,000.00, but the amounts earned in that
year reached a total of $488,855.00, and rendered necessary the obtaining of
an additional $120,000.00 from the Treasury Board. For 1912 the appro-
priation was increased to $400,000.00, and the regulations were amended in
the ease of townships with an average section assessment of $60,000.00 or
over, so that the 40 per cent, paid by the I)e}>artment in respect of salaries
would begin at $350.00 for Principal and $250.00 for Assistant Teachers,
instead of $300.00 and $200.00 as had prior to 1912 been respectively allowed.
In spite of the increased appropriation and the alteration respecting the grant
on salaries above referred to, the amounts earned by the schools for 1912
exceeded the appropriation by nearly $66,000.00, and it was again necessary
to obtain a large overdraft in order that the grants earned might be paid in
full.
In view of the fact that it is impossible to meet yearly such heavy in-
creases out of the present revenue, the Government has decided that all Legis-
lative grants for educational purposes shall in future not exceed the amounts
voted by the Legislative Assembly for the respective services, and that, when
necessary, a pro rata reduction shall be made in the amouu; earned under the
regulations by any group of schools, so that the total grants may be covered
by the sum voted in each case.
240 APPEXniX X... 1. lliU
The appropriation for 1913 for tlio Kural Pulilic and S('))arat(' Schools in
the counties i? $400,000.00. and the total of the g-rants to be paid to these schools
for 1912-13 mnst, aecordinglj, not exceed this amount. In computing the
grant, the percentage in respect of salaries used last year will again form the
basis of calculation, and it will be the duty of the inspector to state clearly to
the trustees of the schools under his charge tJiat the forty per cod. is merely
used for the purpose of computation and that, if necessary, such a pro rata
reduction will he made by this Department from the total amount apportioned
to the different schools binder the regulations as will Iceep the total aniouni paid
to the schools witJiin the appropriation ahore referred to.
In the case of the grants on certificates no change has been made in the
amounts allowed in respect of the various grades and length of experience
except in the cases of Interim Certificates of the first and second class, the
grants on which are now withdrawn, this step being in conformity with the
policy of the Department as announced in previous circulars.
The provisions above apply oxly to the Jiiiral I')d)hc and Separate Schools
in the Organized Counties and do not in any way affect the basis upon which
the grants to Bural Public and Separate ScJiools in the Districts are compiled.
A supply of Instructions Xo. 12, as amended, is now forwarded to you
under separate cover, and you will be good enough to see that the same is dis-
tributed to the vai'ious school boards in your inspectorate at the earliest ]ios-
sible date.
A. IT. T". CoT.Qriiorx,
Toronto. Xovemb(>r 29tli. 1912. l)('])iiry Minister of Education.
Exhibit 20.
ISTiagara Falls, Canada, April 2r)th, 1914.
Dear Sir. — I beg to enclose yon herewith a statement of the contracts for
the Niagara Tiiver Boulevard Eoadway. showing, frst. the amount of the con-
tract, second, the amount of additions to the contract for extra work jH^rformed,
and, third, the amount deducted from the contract for items not perfoniicd.
It should be noted with ripference to the contract for Section XTo. 1, let to
the Queenston Quarry Company and T. E. Ferris, that the original tender
was for $12,987.00. This tender was made iu 1909, but ilic right of way
for the section, contrary to the expectation of the Commissioners, was not
secured until the Spring of 1910, and in the meantime the contract was not
signed, although it had been awarded to these contractors. In the Spring of
1910 the Queenston Quarry Company and T. E. Ferris represented that labor
and material had increased in price, and would not proceed with the work
except at an additional cost of 10 per cent., amount ing to $1,298.7<>. In addi-
George V. API'KXDIX X... 1. 241
tiou ro this the aiirceinciils for the riizlit nt' \v;iy nii wliich ilic ruiid \v;is lo In-
built cjillcd tor three cattle |>as>es of leii feel in wiilili. wliereas tlie original
plans slioweil only ci^lil feet in width. Tlii- added 1 \.i\ cnliic yar.U of rein-
forced concrete whitdi. at j>r<> nila cost, amounted in $l!s<>.s<). TJie conti-act
as finally si<ineil. rherid'oi-e. -tood as f(dlo\vs:
Aiiiouni of original tender $12,!>ST 00
'i'eii /xr cciil . addition a^'recil to Ky t lie ( 'oniniissioneiv- 1 .1'i's To
Kxtra concrete in three cattle pas-e- 280 SO
Total colli i-aci $i4.r)r;(; no
This total i- the a luit -liown in the contract dated l^th May. I'.tKt.
^'o^^•- \'ery trnly.
doHN II. .Iacksox. Superintendent.
^Napier Robinson. Esq.. Clerk, l^nhlic Accounts
C'oniniittee, Parlianiont I5nildin<is, Toronto,
Ontario.
Statkm K.\ r oi' ( 'on ii;a( IS loi; Xia(.ai;a Iii\ i:i; I5<>i i.i;\ai;i> Uoadwav, show-
ing TiiK A.\ior\i' oi' ('o.Ni'i.'Acr wrni riii; Ai'OIiions and 1 )i;in('Tn>xs.
Sectio)!. Colli ivchir. Coiil nicl. Addii ions. Deductions.
jS^o. 1 — (}ueenston (^nari-y Co.. and
T. E. Ferris $10.r)22 00 $871 02 $(;2r) 00
Is'o. lA — Quoenston (Quarry Co.. and
T. E. Ferris 14. :>•)(; ."iO 590 4S
No. IB — Canipaiiine \' Company .. 8,050 00 23 92 38 00
No. 2 A and 2B — •' .. (;g,950 00 453 93 1,742 37
No. 3 A and 3 0— Cook \- Menzie .. 2G,729 51 337 83 50 75
No. 4A— Power City Stone Co 6,947 15 27 00 22 40
No. 4B— Power City Stone Co 13,795 00 566 98 273 75
No. 4— Upper cV Lobb 32,500 00 2,061 02 50 00
April 25th. l'.>14.
ExH ir.rr 21.
April 24. 11114.
Ti:xm:i.'s i-oi; ('oai.. T.MK'>.
Sealed temlers, addre-sed to the Pro\inciaI Secretary. Parliament Build-
ings, Toronto, marketl. "'Tender- for Coal." will be received up to noon on
Monday, June 11th. for the d(di\-ery of <ur\i (pumtities and (pnilitii's of coal
16— J. A.
24-2 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
in the s1kh1> <>t" the fdllowiiig l'r(»viiici;il Institutions, on ov lictore the 15th day
r)f Julv, next, riz.: Toronto. LoniUui. Kin«iston, IJaniilton. Miniico. lirockville,
Coboiirg, Orillia. Pcnetanu'. Woo(lst(K'k Asylums; also the Central l^rison and
Mercer Refornnitory.
S])eeitieations of the (lualitics and (luantities of coal reipiired and forms
of application may he obtained on application to the Department or from the
Bursars of the respective institutions.
Tenderers are to s])eeify the mine of oriiiin and the quality of respective
kinds of coal, and furnish evidence on delivery that the coal is of origin si)eci-
fie<l. fresh mined and nji to the standard of trade grades.
Delivery subject to satisfaction of othcers of De])artment of the Provincial
Secretary, who may reipiirc additional deliveries, not exceeding 20 per cent., up
to the ir)th July, 11>0T.
Tend(>rs will be received tVtr the whole (pianfity si)eeitied, or for the cinanti-
ties rtninircd in each institution. An accepted cheque for $500, payable to the
order of the Honorable the Provincial Secretary, must be furnished by each
tenderer, and two snihcient sureties wall be required for the due fulfilment of
each contract. The lowest or any tender not necessarily accepted.
W. J. Haxna^ Provincial Secretary.
Parliament Buiklings, Toronto.
May 29th, 1906.
Tenders fok Coat,, 1907.
Sealed tenders, addressed to the Provincial Secretary, Parliament Build-
ings. Torrmto, marked, " Tenders for Coal,"' will be received up to noon on
^Monday, May 20th. for the delivery of such (piantities and qualities of coal
in tlie sheds of the following Provincial Institutions, on or before the 15th day
of July, next, viz.: Toronto, London, Kingston, Hamilton, ]\[imico, Brockville^
Cobourg, Orillia, Penetang, Woodstock Asylums; also the Central Prison and
Afercer Reformatory.
Specifications of the (pialities and (piantities of coal i-iMjuired and forms
of ap])lication may be obtained on application to the Department or from the
linrsars of the respective institutions.
Tenderers are to specify the mine of oi-igin and the (piality of respective
kinds of coal, ami furnish evidence on delivery that the coal is of origin speci-
fied, fresh mined and up to the standard of trade grades.
Delivery subject to satisfaction of officers of Department of the Provincial
Secretary, who may require additional deiliveries, not exceeding 20 per cent., up
to the 15th July, 190S.
Tenders will be received foi- the whole (piauiity spccifiecl, or for the quanti-
ties re(piired in each institution. An ac('ei)ted checpie for $500, payable to the
order of the Honorable the Provincial Secretarv. must l)e furnished bv each
George V. APl'KXDIX NO. 1. 243
tendcivr, and two sufficient snvclics will l»c i-c(|iiii'((I 'dn- the due t'liltilnicut of
each contract. The lowest oi- ;my-tondei- not iicccs-;irilv acce|iie(|.
Xewspapers insertiiii:' iliis ;i(l\(Tii>eiiiciir wiilmnt wi-iiicii aiitlmritv fi-uni
the Department will not he paid tor ii.
W. d. 1I.\.N.\.\. l*rn\iiicial Secretary.
]'arlianient P>iiildini:s, T<~)ronto.
Toronto. Mav 1, I'.ioT.
Tkxdkrs i-()i; Coal. 1!)0S.
Sealed tenders, addressed to the Provincial Secretary, l^arlianient Build-
ing;s. Toronto, marked. " Tenders for Coal/' will be received up to noon ou
Satnrday, ^fay :>(>rli, for rlie -delivery of coal in the sheds of the follo\\4ng
Provincial Fnstitntions, on or before the 30th day of Jnly, next, viz.: Toronto,
Tjondon. Kinii'ston, Hamilton, ]\[imico, Brockville, Cobonrp:. Orillia, Penetang,
AVoodstock Hospitals for the Insane; also the Central Prison and ^Tereer
Reformatory.
Specifications of the ([nalities and (piantities of coal reqnired and forms
of application may be obtained on ajjplication to the Department or from the
Bnrsars of the respective institntions.
Tenderers are to specify the mine of origin and the quality of respective
kinds of coal, and furnish evidence on delivery that the coal is of origin speci-
fied, fresh mined and np to the standard of trade grades.
Delivery subject to satisfaction of oflicers of Department of the Provincial
Secretary, who may require additi'oual deliveries, not exceeding 20 per rent., np
to the 15th Jnly, 100!).
Tenders will be received for the who](> (piantity s])ecified. or for the quanti-
ties required in each institution. An accepted (dieipie for $r)00, payable to the
order of the Honorable the Provincial Secretary, must be furnished by each
tenderer, and two suflicient sureties will be reipiired for the due fulfilment of
each contract. The lowest or any tender not necessarily accepte(].
Xewspa]iei"s insert inu' this advertisement without written authority from
the Department will not be ))aid for it.
\V. J. Hanna. i'rovincial Secn^tarv,
Parliament Ibiildings, Toronto.
Toronto. Mav 1 Irli. liuis.
2U AI'PKXDIX X... 1. 1014
Tj:m>ki;s fdk Coai.. I'.tO'.i.
Sealed ronders, addrer^sed ro the Provincial Secretary, Parliament Build-
ings, T(trunto. marked, " Tenders for Coal,'" will be received up to noon on
Saturday. May L^'-'rh. tur the delivery of cdal as required in the
sheds of the followinii' Provincial Institutions, dii or Ixd'ore the .'51st day
of Auiiusr next, riz.: Broi'kville, Cobouri>', Hamilton. Kinust'on, London,
Mimico, Penetang'uishene, Toronto, Hospitals for the Insane, Orillia Hospital
for Idiots, Woodstock Hospital fur E))ileptics ; also the Central Prison and
fiercer Reformatory.
Specifications of the cpialities and (|uanritics of coal r('<piired and forms
of application may he obtained on application to the Department or from the
I)ursars of the respective institutions.
Tenderer? are to specify the mine of origin and rlio (|iiality of respective
kinds of coal, and furnish evidence on delivery that the coal is of origin speci-
fied, fresh mined and up to the standard of trade grades.
Delivery subject to satisfacrion of officers of Department of the Provincial
Secretary, who may re(iuire additional deliveries, not exceeding 20 per cent., up
to the ir.th July, 1!>1(I.
Tenders will be roc -ived for the whole ([uantity specitied, or for ihe ([uanti-
ties required in each institution. An accepted cheque for $500, payable to the
order of the Honorable the Provincial Secretary, must be furnished by each
tenderer, and two sufficient sureties will be required for the due fulfilment of
each contract. The lowest or any tender not necessarily accepted.
Xewsi)apers inserting this advertisement without written authority from
the De])artment will not be ])aid for it.
W. T. Hanna, Proxiiicial S(^cretary.
l^arliament Ihiildings, I'oronio.
Toronto, Mav 11th, 1909.
Ti;m>ki{s f(»i; ( 'oai.. lit 1<».
Sealed tenders, addressed to the Provincial Scciciary. Parliament Build-
ings, Toronto, marked, " Tenders for Coal,'" will be received up to noon on
Saturday. Alay I'Mh. for tlic delivery of coal a> rciinii'cd in the
sheds of the following Pro\-incial institutions, on or before the olst day
of August, next, viz.: I>r<K'kville. Coboui'g. Hamilton. Kingston, London,
Mimico, Penetanguishene. joroiito. Ilos|)itals foi- the In>ane, Orillia Hos|)ital
for Idiots. Woodstock Hospital for Kpile|)f ic- ; also the ("enti-al I'l'isoii an<l
Afereer Reformatory.
Specifications of the (pialities and <punititi('s of coal r<'ipiii'('d and forms
of application may be obtained on aj»plicati(»n to the Department or from tiie
P>ursar- of the respective institutions.
George V. APPKXDIX X... 1. 245
Tenderers are to sjiecifv the ininc ot' (iri;^iii ;iii(l tlic (|ii;iliiv oi respective
kinds of eoal, and furnish evidence im dcdiverv thai the coal i> of ni-in;iii speci-
fied, fresh mined and np \n the staiuhird of trade ,iira<h'S.
Delivery suhject to satisfaction of ottieers of I )cpartnient of the Provincial
Secretai'v, who may re([uire addiiioiial (Jeliveries, not cxccfMlinu' 20 jicr rent., np
to the loth July. IJlll.
Tenders will he recei^(■<l for i he 'vhole «iuantit_v speeitieil, or for the qnnii'i-
tics re(]nired in each institution. An accepted cheque for $r)00, payahle to tlie
order of tlie Honorahle tlie Provincial Secretary, must he furnished hy each
tenderer, and two sufficient sureties will he required for the due fulfilment of
each contract. The lowest or any tender not necessarily accejited.
Xewspapers insertine this advertisemeut without written authority from
the Department will not he ])aid for it.
W. rl. Hanna, Provincial Secretary.
Parliament ]^>uildinirs, Toronto.
Toronto, Mav 14th, 1010.
TENDERS FOR COAL, 11)10.
Sealed tenders, addressed to the Provincial Secretary, Province of Ontario,
Parliament liuildings. Toronto, and marked " Tenders for Coal," will be
received uj) to noon on Saturday, May 28th, 1910, for the delivery of coal as
required in the sheds of the institutions named below, except where specified^
on or before the 01st August, 1910, or in.such quantities and at such times as
noted below:
HospiTAT. FOR Insane, Brockvili.e.
Hard coal — l.G.JO tons large egg size, 7.") tous stove size, 500 tons small
egg. Delivery as required in July and Decemlx-r. 1 '.>!<».
Ho.si'iTAL FOK Insane, Cobourg.
Hard coal — 24 tons nut, 8S tons stove. Soft coal — 600 tons soft coal
screenings. Delivery as required in July and December, 1910, and February^
1911.
Hospital for Insane, Hamilton.
Hard coal — 2,750 tons egg size. 200 tons stove size, 75 tons small egg, 6(X
tons chestnut size, 150 tons hard coal screenings. Soft coal — 20 tons Cannell,
for grates, 250 tons soft coal screenings. Delivery as required in July and
December. 1910. and I'ebrnarv. 11»11.
246 AIM'KXDIX NO. 1. 1914
HuJi^rriAi. I'ou 1^■SA^'E, Kincjstox.
Hard coal — 400 tons small egg size, 1:^5 tons large egg size, 20 tons chest-
nut size, 50 tons stove size. Soft coal screenings, 3.200 tons. Delivery as
required in July and December, 1910.
Hospital for Insank, Loxdox.
Soft coal screenings — 2,500 tons. 300 tons Pocahontas mine run, .'JO
tons grate coal. Hard coal — 300 tons small egg size, 150 tons stove size, 25
tons chestnut size. Screenings delivered in hopper cars on railway siding on
grounds. Delivery as required in July and December, 1910, and February,
1911.
Hospital for Insaxk, IMnirco.
Hard coal — 125 tons large egg size, 125 tons stove size, 25 tons chestnut.
Soft coal — 2,200 tons soft screenings, 15 tons Cannell. Delivery as required
in July and December. 1910.
Hospital for IdiotS;, (3rillia.
Soft coal screenings, 2,000 tons, 5 tons Cannell. Hard coal — 70 tons
stove size. (50 tons egg, 75 tons chestnut size. Delivered on railway siding on
grounds. Delivery as required in July and December, 1910.
Hospital for the Insane^ Penetanguishene.
Hard coal — 30 tons nut, 80 tons stove. Soft coal — 2,000 tons soft coal
screenings, delivered on institution dock. Delivery as required in July and
December, 1910.
Hospital for Insane, Toronto.
Hard coal — 500 tons grate size, 500 tons stove size, 150 tons nut size, 75
tons hard screenings. Soft coal — 400 tons soft lump, 75 tons soft screenings,
700 tons run of mine. Delivery as required in July and November, 1910, and
February, 1911.
Hospital for Epileptu s, Woodstock.
Hard coal — 280 tons egg, 100 tons stove, 75 tons chestnut. Delivery as
required in July and December, 1910.
Central Prisox, I'ouo.n lo.
Hard coal — 70 tons stove size, 30 tons nut size. Soft coal — 3,000 tons
screenings, 500 tons steam lump. Delivci-cil on lailway siding on grounds.
Delivery as i-ecpiired in eacJi iiionth to duly. 1911.
George V. AIM'KXDIX X... 1,
Mekcku I{ki()i;.\iai(ii;v, 'I'(»i;().\ r<>.
Soft coal screenings or rnn o( mine lump, S(M» tdns. Hard coal, -10 tons
stove size. Delivery as required in 'Tuly and Dcci-mlHr, 1910, and February,
1011.
Tenderers are to specify the mine or mines from which the coal will be
suj^jjlied, and th(> (piality <»f same, and must also furnish satisfactory evidence
that the coal dclivci-cd is trtic t<> name, fresh mined, ;ind in every respect equal
in qualitv to the standard grades of coal known to the trade.
Delivery to be etfceteil in ;i manner satisfaetury i(» the Iiis])ectors of Prisons
and Public Charities.
Where full car loads of coal are delivered and aceepied on the railway
siding on the grounds of the institution, the weight of such car loads as deliv-
ered must be weighed at the nearest local point of delivery and this weight
only will be accepted, and no other allowance will lie made over and above the
weight thus sijecified on the local railway scales. Where coal is delivered in
any other manner, it must be weighed on the scales at the institution in the
presence of an employee of the deader and the institution, and such weight
only will be accepted.
And the said Inspectors may require additional amounts, not exceeding
20 per cent, of the (pian titles hereinbefore specified, for the alx)ve mentioned
institutions, to be delivered thereat at the contract price at any time up to the
15 th day of July, 11»11.
Tenders will be received for the whcde quantity above specitied, or for the
quantities required in each institution. An accepted check for $.500, payable
to the order of the Honourable the Provincial Secretary, must be furnished by
each tenderer as a guarantee of his hoim fides, and two sufficient sureties, or
the bond of a guarantee company authorized to do business in the Dominion
of Canada, will be required for the due fulfilment of each contract. Specifica-
tions and forms and conditions of tenders may be obtained from the Inspector
of Prisons and Public Charities, Parliament Buildings, Toronto, or from the
Bursars of the respective institutions. The lowest or any tender not necessarily
accepted. Xewspapers insei-'ting this advertisement without authority from
the De])artment will not l)e paid for it.
Mav 14th. 11)10.
W. J. HANXA, Provincial Secretary,
Parliament Buildings, Toronto.
TKXDKRS von COAL, lliir..
Sealed tenders, addressed to the Provincial Secretary, Province of Ontario.
Parliament Buildings, Toronto, and marked " Tenders for Coal," will be
required in the sheds of the institutions named below, except where specified
24S APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1914
received uj) to noon on Wednesdav. May L'stli, l".ii:5. for tlic delivery of coal as
on or before the -'Ust Anansr. 191:!. or in such (luantitics niid at snch times as
noted below :
Hospital fok I^^sAXl•:, T^rockvii.t.k.
Hard coal — 125 tons stove size, 355 tons small eiiii', 10 tons nnt. Soft
coal — :2,400 tons rnn of mine. Delivery as required in July and December,
1913.
Hospital fok Insani^ Coboukg.
]lar(l coal- — 24 tons nut, 40 tons stove. Soft coal — 000 tons soft coal
screenings. Delivery as required in duly and December, 1913, and February,
1914.
Hospital for Ixsane^ Ha:milton.
Hard coal — 3,455 tons eg-g- size, 415 tons stove size, 40 tons chestnut size.
Soft coal — 48 tons Cannell, for grates, 30 tons of ^4 lump. Delivery as
required in July and December, 1!)13, and February, 1914.
Hospital for Insane^ Kingston.
Hard coal — 425 tons small egg size, 130 tons large egg size, 60 tons chest-
nut size, 75 tons stove size. Soft coal screenings, 3,500 tons. Delivery as
required in duly and Decendx-r. T.n.'*.
HosniAi, for Insane, London.
2,375 toll- mine run. 50 tons grate conk Hard coal— 400 tons small egg
size, 225 tons sttjvc size. l\un of mine delivered in lio]>])('r cars on railway
siding on grounds, excejit coal requircil for north building. Delivery as
requircf] in July iiiid I )cc('iiilicr. I'.M.'!. jind h'cbruai'y. ]U\\.
irosiTiAi. i"oi; Ixsam;. Mi.mko.
Hard coal — ino tons small egg size, 10() tons stove >ize, 50 tons chestnut.
Soft coal — 3.i'00 tons soft screenings. Delivery as rc<|uirc(l in July and
December, 19 13.
Hospital i-(>i; FI•:l•:I;LI;-!^^INDED, Orillia.
Soft coal screenings, 2.2(H) tons. Hard coal — 00 tons stove size, 30 tons
egg, 00 tons chestnut size. Delivered on railway siding on grounds. Delivery
as retpiired in July and December, 1913.
George V. AI'I'l-:.\ I )I X \... 1. 240
1 InsiTiA I. loi; riii; I.nsam:^ Pk.n ktangl'isiikm-:.
Hard coal — '■'>'> tmi- inii, '.Ml tnn- -in\c. Soft c-nal — iMOO tons soft coal
screeniiiiis, (IcliNcrcil on iiisti,tutioii dock. Dclixcry as r(<|nir(Ml in -July and
DeceiulxT. T.il.'l.
lIosiMiAi, loi; I.ns.vm:, TonoNTo.
Hard coal — .")<)0 tmis tivntv si/.c, A'A) tons stove si/c, loO tuns nut size.
Soft coal — 200 tolls sofi liiiiii). T.^O tons run of ininc. Uclivcry as required
in Julv ;nid Xoxcmhcr. IIM:!. mid l-'chruarv, 1!J14.
lloSl'ITAJ. J-OK El'Ji.Ei'TlCS^ WoOU.STOCK.
Hard coal — 3oO tons egg, 4.") tons stove, 205 tons chestnut. Delivery as
required in July and December, 1*J13.
Centbai, Piasox^ Tokonto.
Hard coal — 100 tons stove size, 30 tons uut size. Soft coal — 2,000 tons
steam lump. Delivery on railway sidings on grounds. Delivery as required
in each niontli to July, 1914.
MeRCEII liEEOiniATOKY^ ToKOMTO.
Soft coal screenings or run of mine lump, l,oOO tons. Hard coal, 40 tons
stove size. Delivery as required in July and December, 1U13, and February,
1914.
Tenderers are to specify the mine or mines from which the coal will be
supplied, and the quality of same, and must also furnish satisfactory evidence
that the coal delivered is true to name, fresh mined, and in every respect equal
in quality to the standard grades of coal known to the trade.
Delivery to be effected in a manner satisfactory to the Inspectors of Prisons
and Public Charities.
Where full car loads of coal are delivered and accepted on the railway
siding on the grounds of the institution, the w^eight of such car loads as deliv-
ered must be weighed at the nearest local point of delivery and this weight
only will he accepted, and no other allowance will be made over and above the
weight thus specified on the local railway scales. Where coal is delivered in
any other manner, it must be weighed on the scales at the institution in the
presence of an emploj'ee of the dealer and the institution. an<l such weight
only will be accepted.
And the said Inspectors may recpiire additional amounts, not exceeding
20 per cent, of the »[uantities herein'lx^fore specified, for the above mentioned
250 APPENDIX Xo. 1. 1I>U
institutions, to In- deliverod thereat at the contract price at anv time up to the
15th clay of July, 1014.
Tenders will be received for the whole quantity above specified, or for the
quantities required in each institution. An accepted check for $500, payable
to the order of the Honourable the Provincial Secretary, must be furnished by
each tenderer as a guarantee of his bona fides, and two sufficient sureties, or
the bond of a i>uarantee company authorized to do business in the Dominion
of Canada, will be required for the due fulfilment of each contract. Specifica-
tions and forms and conditions of tenders may be obtained from the Inspector
of Prisons and Public Charities, Parliament Buildings, Toronto, or from the
Bursars of the respective institutions. The lowest or any tender not necessarily
accepted. Xewspapers inserting this advertisement without authority from
rhe Department will not be paid for it.
W. J. HAXXA. Provincial Secretary,
Parliament Buildings, Toronto.
Mav 13th. 1013.
INDEX
PAGE.
AKMSTKo.Nci, S. A., evidence 22-4; 50-67, 67-73, 80-90
Blue Prints re Public Institutions 203
Burrows, Robert H., evidence 191-5
Business before Committee 17
Chairman, elected 5, 17
rulings 5, 12, 121, 123, 126
Coal supplies 186
" exhibits 242
Committee, Report * 3-5
Da.xe, Mr., his position on T. and N. 0. Ry. Com 157, 164
Exhibits produced, list of 203
printed 204-50
Funds, misapplied, argument 138-40
Government House, evidence . .90-102, 107-11, 114-15
Guelph: — See Prison Farm.
Heakes, F. R., evidence 90-102, 107-11, 114-15
HVMPHREY, JoHx R., evidence 19, 127-38
Immigration, evidence 32-4
Jacksox & Co., evidence 35
Jackson John H., evidence 170-9
Jackson, W. K., letters from 13, 18, 14
Kendry and Haggart Townships, sale of, evidence 35-48, 73-9
exhibits 204
Lee, Mr., position on T. & N. 0. Com 157-164
License Department, evidence 122, 178-86, 191
LoBB, Charles, evidence 201-3
McGee, a. J., evidence 141-169
Minutes and Proceedings 5-16
MoRAND, Pal'l, evidence 179-85
New or Northern Ontario, development of 24-31, 112-13, 13840
Niagara River Boulevard, evidence 170-9, 195
exhibits 240
Prison Farm, evidence 22-4, 50-67, 68-73, 80-90
exhibits 231
Private matters cannot be enquired into 446
Public Accounts, 1912, Enquiry 17-18
Public Institutions, evidence 186
exhibits 231
Report of Committee 3-5
Roadhouse, W. B. evidence 32-4
Rogers, E. R., evidence 38-48
Rural, Public and Separate School grants, evidence .19-22, 127-38
exhibits 239
RusHWoRTH, William, evidence 38-48
Saixders, Eroo. evidence 185
School Grants, evidence 19-22, 127-38
exhibits 239
Smder. W. K., evidence 122
IXDKX
PAGE
Sprovle. C. H., evidence 24-31, 112-13
Stock and Treasury Bills 24-31
exhibits 238
Succession Duties, valuation 103-7
exhibits 220
Temiskaming & N. O. Ry. Com., evidence 141
" " issue of passes 149-52
subsidy of 152,166
" " " royalties - 152
" " " reductions — mines 152-3
" agents 157
lots 160
" Nipissing Central 160
" " " settlers 161-3
" " demonstration car 164
" " " pulpwood 164
Earlton-Elk Lake line 167
Timber, sale of 116-21
Chairman's ruling 121
exhibits in re 220
berths • 230
Todd. Mr., evidence Ill
Turner, Walter, evidence 103-7
Upper. William, evidence 195-201
Whitby Farm, evidence Ill
" exhibits 235
White, Aubbey, evidence 34-8, 116-21
WiGLE. Ernest D., evidence 73-9
Witnesses to be summoned 6, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16
Woodbine Hotel fire 192
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