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Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 11:57am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Felt forum 1971 |
This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2007-04-25 18:57:43
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Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 12:20pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 1:58pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Of course, I usually cut off at 70; I love the April Fillmore shows, and put those ahead of these, and then, personally, would select 8-6-71 and 11-7-71 before the Dec run you speak of...but I would put it in 'fourth' if you follow my logic.
Those above have said it well, and better than I, so I won't bore you with repetition...
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Poster: | mudcatbluez | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 12:20pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Not 10 minutes ago, bouncing around & getting ready for work, I start 12/6, having just wrapped 12/5 a bit earlier this pm. WTF, man...Deadzone synchronicity, methinks. Enough to pull me in for a quick appearance.
I haven't listened to 12/7/71 for a while; it being the only one of the 4 that I'd heard before last Monday. I remember the Smokestack being tasty, but memory's fuzzy beyond that.
12/4-5 have been occupying me for a couple of days, albeit piecemeal. Soundwise, from what I'm hearing, the night of the 5th is the weakest of the 3. I've been looking for another adjective to describe it, but your "bottled" nails it. I don't find it distracting & the recording remains a potent mix. ...And, hey, if 12/5's the "worst sound" the Felt run can give us, I'll take it, believe that.
I agree that this run leans more toward songs over extended jams, but don't you think the Dead periodically hit those spells? Some of '77 and the '80 Warfield/Radio City runs come to mind, though there are doubtlessly better examples out there.
I think the "beef" here lies in the package, in any one of the shows as a whole. At the end of your couple invested hours, do you feel as though those hours were well spent? Do you feel as though you've just put a helluva good show behind you? Do I? Shit yes. Excepting a couple repeats on the Smokestack, I haven't listened to 12/4 since Monday and I'm still loving that show, still thinking about it. As you say, they're playing tight. They're also having "one of those nights" (x4) where the symbiotic tumblers just fall into place: band>audience>venue, another night when it all just worked. Individually, these shows are solid enough (though I'd put 12/4 over 12/5); I think Felt Forum's rep lies largely in the run itself, a 4-night stand of rock-solid showings.
For me, 12/4's highlights lie in a Smokestack that may have usurped, in my heart, 11/19/66's. The Comes a Time is a severely cool reading. The sandwiches, TOO on 12/4 & Dark Star>Uncle>D-Star>SOTOTW the following night are tasty stacks indeed.
There's a whole lot to love about these shows. Do they deserve their rep? So far they're doing it for me in no uncertain way.
Peace.
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Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 6:48pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
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Poster: | Chris Freedom | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 1:28pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Your highlights are right on.( I Love the Rudolph runs) I have not listened to these shows in awhile but I do have something to add to what Mudcat was just saying. I think we should remember that the felt forum is part of the Garden. It seems to me this would be a huge set of shows for the band in terms of moving up from playing the Filmore East. Now do not get me wrong I would rather see the Dead play in a small theather any day ,any time but if you think in terms of the future for the Dead there is no place more respected in the rock world in N.Y. then MSG. This is a huge step for a band that would one day break the record for appearances at MSG. Also just imagine how the Heads felt about getting out of the lower east side to see the Dead in the Garden complex.
Moving on up to the East Side...
Hey Ghost of Pig does my theory hold any weight with you since you were actually there?
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Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 2:16pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
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Poster: | Chris Freedom | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 2:33pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Living in Queens I used to get off the train and walk cross town to the Garden. I guess I must have crossed Broadway which is the dividing line between the East & West if I remember.
"Moving on up" is from the Jefferson's, anyway I was just trying to get a feel if you thought these shows were considered a step up for the Dead?
I remember the buzz it caused when the Dead did the nine night run at MSG. It was like being part of history. Did you get that feeling from the Felt forum run?
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Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 3:48pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
I saw them again in 1973 at the Nassau Coliseum, and missed that good sound and pleasant vibe of the Forum.
Broadway, btw, is a truly crazy street. Did you know that it runs all the way up to Albany?
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Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 1:28pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
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Poster: | mudcatbluez | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 1:29pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Off to work. Peace.
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Poster: | Death&Mercy | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 5:27pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
12/7/71 could be the best sounding old show on this site. Not for the jam only fans as you say, but great versions of just about every song. Needs to be part of any collection.
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 2:35pm |
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Poster: | high flow | Date: | Apr 25, 2007 12:12pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Felt forum 1971 |
Both the Spring and Winter shows are tight and songs are played quickly and in short time. These shows are really good starter shows(shorter jams), because it feels a bit like best-of-GD, at times(SEE PITB). But not as glorious as the kitchen-sink shows of 73, which seemed to have it all.
Of course, 71 has a bluesier feel and you get some Pig. And Jerry's guitar in 71 is hard to beat, IMO.