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Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 3:13pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | jerrys missing finger | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:29am |
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Poster: | skuzzlebutt | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:04pm |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:50pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | skuzzlebutt | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:51am |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 6:08am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
And I prefer the Dead over the Floyd too, by a country mile.
We did have a poster of Zappa taking a crappa tacked up in our Victorian flat's W.C. though...
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:42am |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 10:13pm |
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 8:56pm |
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 10:09pm |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:21am |
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:03am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
And a friend of mine has a "Schoolboys In Disgrace" tattoo!...
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:48am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Sexus, Plexus and Nexus is the Miller trilogy. Obscenity trials and the First Amendment. HOWL and the like in the courtrooms. Where are you Lenny Bruce? If ever in Big Sur, check out the library. Lots of cool stuff happens there.
http://www.henrymiller.org/events.html
Floyd - studio. Dead - live.
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:39pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:47pm |
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Poster: | Chiklod | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 9:12pm |
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Poster: | staggerleib | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 10:19pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
The early Floyd under Syd was just as trippy, silly and fun as anyone else. They grew into an orchestral and far more dense unit. As Roger took the reins, and also in his solo stuff, he tackled much darker material, much more personal, and likely far less universal. The themes were consistent and stormy. I believe that he achieved a far better voice in his solo efforts than he did with the Floyd. I personally love Pros and Cons, and would rank that show, with Eric Clapton taking lead guitar as the best show I've ever seen... BAR NONE. The bombast moves me.
For those who believe that Gilmour has chops, you need to listen to this show, and hear the way Floyd would have sounded with a virtuoso blues player. I think that David was and is a wonderful lyrical player. He's got a flair for melody, and an ear for tonality. On an Island is simply wonderful.
All that being said, there was never the level of diversity and spontaneity as there was with the dead. Even in Terrapin, or Blues for Allah, where the structures were complex and far more rigid, there is a delicate balance between chaos and control that is always beautiful even when it doesn't work. Warts and All!
There's so much room for so much music that I can not limit myself. I listen to Floyd almost as much as the Dead, but not as much through the years, as I tire of Floyd easier. I listen to Todd Rundgren often (I know, redundant, huh?) and going to see Elvis Costello, as well as Zappa Plays Zappa and Dream Theatre this summer.
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 6:02am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
For me, the only similarities on which a true comparison can be made are founded in their both spawning from the mind of a genious. Other than that, they are completely different entities. One has the polished sheen and beauty of the finest DaVinci, while the other has the madcap beauty of a Pollack. The Dead win the war in terms of live performance, but, for me, the Floyd easily passes them by with their studio work.
Orchestrated vs. Improvised. Beethoven vs. Bird. To each his own.
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Poster: | D_Raam | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:57pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Why should we???
On second thought, whuddayatakinabout... Dead kicks their ass...
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Poster: | SkyDawg | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:34pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:36pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCc5K7e04W0
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Poster: | mcgannahan | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:52pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | Finster! | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:38pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | mcgannahan | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:56pm |
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Poster: | Tidewater four ten O nine | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 3:48am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
But, as per my earlier mail - this is 'no contest'. The Dead win by a country mile. Jerry used to play the pedal steel, Gilmour murdered it. "Ummagumma" yes, more or less everything afterwards can be ignored (unless you like the sound of dripping taps and frying bacon).
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:02pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | user unknown | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:30pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 6:17am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Blues for Allah
Of course this is only my opinion - I never really listened to much Floyd, they never really caught my fancy.
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 7:45am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Oooops. Off topic. My apologies. Just wanting to be sure you watch your back.
Oooops. Double entendre. My bad.
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:12am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Got ya
dire does, afterall, live on the East Coast
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 3:34pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
In the years since, I've become a big fan of David Gilmour's guitar work and compare his ability to emote to Garcia's. Unfortunately, I don't thing Gimour's gift translates into American music in the same way Clapton's fails to. Both are so very close, yet lack the necessary sloppiness to be convincing American musicians. Keith Richards on the other hand...
I suppose what I'm saying is that even the live stuff I've bought and heard from PF has such a polished sound, it never seems edgy. They never give the impression that it's all about to come apart...and it's never expected.
It's kind of ironic that it was always Garcia that suppressed the expectations of listeners. As such, many of us thought they were amazing overachievers rather than being a proficient music making unit. Garcia would have us believe the wheels could come off at any moment, and always promoted the fact that the band was operating on the edge...even up to using "Without a Net" as an album title.
It kind of bothers me that as a head, I always had high hopes and lowered expectations of the Dead. That was always the mantra...new album hitting the streets, we're not a studio band. New tour coming up, we're just a bunch of stoner garage band guys, and don't understand why anybody would like us.
Jerry lied.
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 4:21pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Grateful Dead: Consistently use odd time-signatures, and Garcia has no problem soloing over them.
Pink Floyd: Have to change the time signature in the middle of "Money" because Gilmour can't hack 7/8.
Grateful Dead: Play songs in all keys, and rarely repeat a chord progression from song to song (Franklin's/Foolish Heart being an exception.)
Pink Floyd: Post "Dark Side," 99% of Pink Floyd songs are in E minor (or it's relative, G Major, no different notes in the scale, actually). So they wind up repeating themselves... a lot. Echo & the Bunnymen proved you can do a whole album in the same key and make it work, but they changed keys from album to album. Floyd won't even do that, E minor or die!
Grateful Dead: Can be creepy, happy, charming, off-putting, affirming, comforting or energizing, depending on the song/show.
Pink Floyd: can be humorless or depressing, take your pic. And occasionally, baselessly, bombastic. Fun? Not for me...
Anyway, I could go on, but I'm obviously so biased that I probably shouldn't. Just something to chew on. And I want to mention I think Syd Barrett was godly, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:08pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
I just thanked you for one of your responses (10 min. & Under Songs) so, plese don't take this hard...
Arnold Layne is hysterical - maybe mainly to Brit audiences who get the joke, about a geezer swipes ladies knickers off the clothes lines...
Corporal Clegg, I think that's dark humor of a sort...
and The Madman is in my heade, ha ha hee hee... well, we laughed at that the 1st 327 times we heard it...
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:23pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | fenario80 | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:17pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Then there was the movie. I gotta tell you that after seeing that movie in 1978, I instantly became a wanna-be head. My first couple of shows the next year were more or less formalities, because I wanted to be part of that scene. When I saw the movie again on DVD a few years ago, I was a little stunned by just what an infomercial it is. The overriding message of that movie is "this is the thing to do: take some drugs, and come to all of our shows."
I'm not arguing the quality of the product they were selling, just acknowledging that they were packaging and selling a product. Remember all those "last adventure available" quotes from the 80's. "Well, you can't run off and jump a train or join the circus anymore, but you can go see the Grateful Dead ... " Most horrifyingly successful advertising campaign in history?
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Poster: | Darkstarz117 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:03am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:20am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
To me music should touch the soul. Being that Pink Floyd doesn't appear to have any of course I'll go with the Dead. Pink Floyd created artistic masterpeices, the Grateful Dead conjured magic.
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Poster: | daliguana | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 8:49pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | stratocaster | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 4:45pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Grateful Dead - modest commercial success, huge live shows that were organic and improvised...their best music is found on tape, not on record...
Both bands tap into the pschadelic subconscience in their own way...
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Poster: | falconcry77 | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 3:02pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
I'm just glad I don't have to choose! After bingeing on the Dead, Floyd is very refreshing, and vice versa. They compliment each other nicely and are both constantly in my rotation, with breaks here and there.
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Poster: | angular | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 3:08pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | Smokestack Jones | Date: | Jul 9, 2009 6:01am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | snori | Date: | Jul 9, 2009 7:47am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | Smokestack Jones | Date: | Jul 9, 2009 8:53am |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 4:23pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Really.
Now, you all know that I love PF, and Syd.
Did I not say that Syd is one of the 3 (or was it four?) most important 60s icons?
But, to even consider PF in the same league with the DEAD.
Well, okay # 2...that might be acceptable. And certainly, one could argue that more peeps bought PF materials in the 70s.
But, # 2, couldn't that be said for MJackson?
Seriously.
There is no discussion here. PF from 66-68 was hugely, hugely influential. In the same sense as Donovan, or Dylan. And, then, like one out of two of those, it morphed into something else.
At least in my book, I put them down as important, but not long term.
Sorry, kids--once again, don't write in.
Special note to CPW: keep your long scrolling responses coming!
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:05am |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 3:39pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
So, of those three, I actually would have to say that Dylan, Donovan and PF, in that order were influential.
Gasp, says snori.
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Poster: | snori | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 2:29pm |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 3:41pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
They also all dressed like him.
So, I made this pitch a month or so ago in which I argued that BHolly, BJones, Don and Syd were four of the most influential forces in the 60s.
But, it is just my bizarre little idiosyncratic list.
Pay it no mind.
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Poster: | snori | Date: | Jul 9, 2009 1:28am |
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 4:29pm |
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Poster: | lobster12 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 9:08am |
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 9:28am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
although I am still awaiting a grand death metal version of
White Christmas by such a stalwart metal icon like Impaled Nazarene ;)
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 3:26pm |
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 4:49pm |
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Poster: | craven714 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 6:06am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
interesting that this thread was started on the 3rd
anniversary of Syd Barretts death, and no one has mentioned it. Or is that the point?
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:04am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: What are the data? |
I was a bit over the top in my comments above, but often find it hard to compare bands that I have some "issue" with, and I mean that broadly and not necessarily as negative as it sounds. So, eg, with PF, I ended up being unhappy with much of their later work (hmmm, notice a trend with me in this respect?), and though knowing they ach'd great popularity, I somehow find it difficult to equate it with greatness, per se, as SCB pointed out, we smug discerning types try to distinguish record sales from genius, or whatever...
Suppose I like Strat's take on it, and certainly accept they were a huge success at a number of levels...
When folks conduct those "list like" analyses, do the DEAD still stack up as the most successful LIVE band, in terms of $$ they were making at the time, or have they been eclipsed by the great increase in $$ assoc with tours the past few yrs?
Any other criteria by which we could compare them with PF? Total record/CD sales?
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:28pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | cousinkix1953 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 2:30am |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:14am |
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Poster: | JC Edwards | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 1:22am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
I've said it a thousand times (more actually) Pink Floyd = The most God aweful, depressing band in musical history!
Give me the knife to cut your wrist's for you to put you out of my misery.
I have the GRATEFUL "GODDAMN" DEAD!!!!
PIGPEN!!
not Syd!
This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.....in the event it does not, please press # to return to the main menu.
Press * Se Habla Espanol.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:17am |
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Poster: | JC Edwards | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 10:54am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
"In the land of darkness, the ship of the sun is drawn by.........The Grateful Dead"
"In the land of the sun, the ship of darkness is drawn by.......Pink Floyd!"
This message Will self destuct inside Will Tell's hard-drive......in the event that that happens, please call the Geek Squad for him.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 3:45pm |
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WTF happened???!!
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Poster: | lobster12 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 9:05am |
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Poster: | stratocaster | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 4:55pm |
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:48pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:44pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
Of the "prog" bands of the era, its King Crimson for me . Listen to their live stuff from the mid 70's, in the Larks Tongues period !
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:11am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Is it always over after a few good yrs? |
Maybe like all geniuses, Syd had a few good yrs, and then by 25, the wad was shot...maybe he just had the good grace to pass from the scene...
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 9:41am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Is it always over after a few good yrs? |
I like the latter PF albums, but just not as much . But The Wall, mostly leaves me cold . "Another Brick..." seems to tell the "kids" what they want to hear, contrast that to the hated "Day Job," which tells them what they need to hear... (!) Oh well.
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:24pm |
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:29pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
The Grateful Dead. A Conservative Republican Band.
Proud members of the Bohemian Club, and soon to be Bilderberg Groupsters.
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Poster: | billydlions | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:58pm |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 8:10am |
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Poster: | cousinkix1953 | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 2:51am |
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This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2009-07-08 09:50:53
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:16am |
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Poster: | Edsel | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:41am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
If I were at a party, and heard someone say somthing like that, I'd probably ask them to quit bogarting, and pass it along.
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 11:56am |
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 4:23pm |
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:49pm |
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 9:38pm |
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 12:50pm |
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If I was at a party and would have to even address something this absurd I'd probably leave
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Poster: | Edsel | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 1:26pm |
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:15pm |
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:18pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
As for politics, I refuse to ever play the victim. There has never been a president or political party that caused my life to either suffer or prosper under it's leadership. My world is what I make it.
Whether either party has a toehold on righteousness, I'll not be the judge, nor will I suffer fools that are motivated by false hatred. (That would be like trading half of America's hatred for George Bush with the other half's hatred of Al Gore.) Just when you think you're in the majority, there's the other half.
Finally, when the reaper comes, it appears to deal out death equally to all, and I know of no politician who has not sold their ideals along with their soul. I don't ever plan on selling out my ideology, or allowing it to be replaced with the kind of venomous hatred that appears to have your soul all in a knot.
Just a passing fancy, since you alluded, perhaps it might be an idea to have a personal plan for "the end game." I don't think government will bail us out when the man come round.
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:51pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Just a passing fancy, since you alluded, perhaps it might be an idea to have a personal plan for "the end game." I don't think government will bail us out when the man come round.>>>
F-16s won't do any good either, so there goes the GOP. The hate base seems to insist on reservations for Dante's Cornice of Wrath. Ouch.
Meher Baba (The God-Man, Messiah, Christ, Avatar) seems like a false profit, or at least a slippery slope. He seems to have said/signed near his end, "Do not forget that I am God." Hindu-Sufi syncretics can be tricky though.
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 8:17pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
How 'bout this caveat:
"Everyone's wrong about everything."
Anyway, we're in the 6th trump and heading fast for the 7th...
stick around any maybe you'll get to see the actual Anti-Christ and all that, if you believe... in all that.
I don't know anymore...
but the children believed...
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 5:54pm |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 6:36pm |
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 8:43pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 11:57pm |
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thanks much for the links! lol
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 9:08pm |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 9:48pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
But one day back in '83 I tried showing up and hanging out at a hippie semi-political hangout wearing a Baba button, a smile and keepig my mouth closed, as though I had taken a temporary vow of silence...
and those boys (one still a close friend) didn't like my act at all...
and almost threw me bopdily out unless I dropped the act (they knew what I was trying to do) and start talking like a normal human being.
Look, only Meher Baba is/was Meher baba...
but we're all in the body of Christ, Amen.
Praise Allah.
(well, scratch that last comment!)
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 4:28am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
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Poster: | Tidewater four ten O nine | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 5:03pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Pink Floyd vs. The Grateful Dead |
the title of the preceeding post is "Wow - things are slow", maybe this 'compare and contrast' should be included there? But, while I'm on the subject:-
I spent my early teenage years getting blown away by the early Floyd. IMHO they peaked with "Ummagumma" (and maybe the "More" soundtrack album) but then (at least to me) it seemed that they had found the formula and had settled down on an easy (gravy train) ride. Geesh, "Another Brick in the Wall" is so plodding, much worse than "Shakedown Street" (which has many more 'moments'). I gave up when I saw them 'live' during the "Atom Heart Mother" tour frying bacon on stage during "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" - file that one under 'money for contrived old rope' !!!! Then I heard people talking about that crazy outfit from the states called the Grateful Dead, I called into my local record shop, picked up 'Live/Dead' and asked them to play me a track. They ushered me into a listening booth, put on "Turn on Your Lovelight" in all its raw craziness and that was it - I was on the bus and there was no way back. Sure, the Dead also peaked and may have also settled into their own comfort zone, but nothing like the lacklustre comfort zone of the Floyd.
I can still listen to "Set the Controls" more or less side-by-side with "Dark Star", but all the later stuff ("SOYCD - they reckon Syd's a god, let's coin-up"), you can keep it.
Sorry Cliff - it's all subjective anyway - maybe you're right and I'm wrong - but that's my humble opinion.