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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 5:24am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
I mean there are Miller remasters from Rob Eaton's FOB recordings for most of these files already. Do we really need more inferior sourced snoozers from '85 and '87 to know Jer's voice was shot and the band was mailing it in?
How many different files of 10/11/83 do you need anyway?
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| Poster: | B.C. Cox | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 6:25am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
This post was modified by B.C. Cox on 2009-10-23 13:25:26
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| Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 6:48am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | snow_and_rain | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:44am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:48am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:12am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2009-10-20 14:12:41
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:58am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:08am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2009-10-20 14:08:26
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| Poster: | waynecs | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 8:00am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
Nice touch.
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:19am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Appears?! APPEARS!??
I would say the data are IN on this, and there is no need to waffle...you can infer with great confidence this is true.
I have spent most of my time here letting folks know that we, or at least me, can with utter abandon clue one and all about the good, the bad, and the ugly, whether it be in music post-71, or the most recent post by someone with less than perfect punctuation (egads!).
Anything less is only a step away from GoP's once upon a time Post Modernist Position (which is both self-refuting and self-indulgently supporting in a pathetic sort of way).
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| Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:32am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Is being so horribly stuck in time pre-modernist?
In short, you preternatural scrotum scratcher: 4-29-71.
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 11:46am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
This post was modified by William Tell on 2009-10-20 18:46:07
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| Poster: | daliguana | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 3:57pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | skies | Date: | Oct 21, 2009 7:18am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 2:28pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
It's all in good fun!
At least I hope you think so...
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| Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Oct 21, 2009 9:14am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
What would Jaques Derridas say? Or Hillis Miller.
The "our" was one hell of a Freudian typo!
My "argument" on the other biard was certainly not post anything--sim0ly a post to indicate what asthetic particualrs of 4-29-71 pleased me more than 8-06.
Silly wabbit!
On that subject, really---the bottom line is that they really played the shit out of HtoH for about a year and a half. And choosing the "best" on is simply a matter of taste. And choice.
My God--to actually try to wrap a Grateful Dead debate in such scaret covers and call it your own.
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 21, 2009 1:41pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Ergo, Post Modernity and you agree...that's all.
Say, you seem more upset about the PHUD market than elb!? You can't be that down on it can you? I suppose the folks in lit are sometimes a bit too much--maybe that's why the PM'ers really excel in that domain of the academy!?
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| Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 2:52am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
This post was modified by midnight sun on 2009-10-23 09:52:55
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 5:16am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Interesting stuff...I can see the above notion in a pure technical sense, but I suppose the "commonality" of human experience is what also impressed me at DEAD shows. EG, the band I have talked about, HS DEAD cover band, they were actually quite good, went with me to every DEAD show, virtually, and we talked endlessly about it...I cannot sing, do not know notes, etc., but we had fundamentally the same appreciation of Phil's bass and his playing, etc., etc., etc. Other kids were child prodigies, playing cello every day of their lives, able to pick out things I never could, but we still liked the same songs...same riffs, etc.
Not sure how that fits in with the singularity aspect he touches on...
Cool stuff either way.
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| Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 11:17am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
gonna have to think about that one for another year or so :)
with music, the pitfall seems to lie in believing that the technical aspect of the process is paramount when judging, or for that matter, creating the content, even more so for composition students because harmonic studies appear to be quite mathematical when examining note, scale and chord relationships (not to mention fretboard patterns, the nemesis of the guitarist)
imagine it would be similar to trying to judge (or create) poetry by the frequency and order of the letters chosen with little regard to the effect of the words, or judging fine art by only examining the brush strokes up close w/o stepping back to take in the view
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 23, 2009 12:17pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:34am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Isn't that the motto above the door of this place (loosely translated from the original Latin of course)?
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 8:36am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Of course there's all the info on the band, and with the likes of LiA contributing, it is certainly valuable. But, you could put all my 68-babble in a thimble that's worth keeping (though if it inspired one budding forumite to change their era, that might be an important effect), and yet I think many of our conversations have actually had some significance in terms of assisting in small ways with our own self enlightenment (crap...cue the New Age Holier than the Unenlightened Masses string section now I suppose...argh).
Anyway, great fun...great fun.
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 8:46am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
My head is starting to hurt.
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| Poster: | skies | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 11:38am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | Judge TOOTMO | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:24am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
My head is starting to hurt."
Who will read these threads, you ask.
I'm picturing the cave at the end of Planet of the Apes when George Taylor, Nova, and Dr. Zaius discover the human doll. Except this time it says, "Blow me". Or, "TDIH" Or, "Baaaaa-Mooooo" Or __________
TOOTMO
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| Poster: | ghostofpig | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:47am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:58am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Of course, it might be an anti-arabic tirade, and that might be too scary, eh?
What if Tito rules this Post Forum Apocalyptic world?
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| Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:42am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
amazing work - great Planet of the Apes reference!!!
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:31am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:41am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 8:54am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
It does. It's here. And you're in it.
(cue Twilight Zone theme....)
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 9:04am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
Leave it to me to miss the obvious!
Lets hope the times we were mucking around in the sewer of the Forum were saved as well...I suppose it all is, eh?
Good news for those of us without a real life, or I should say, one so pathetic we find great satisfaction in entertaining and educating (?) the like minded while taking refuge here...with luck we can apply some of it all to our interactions with the bottom dwelling butt-munchers that beset us when we are forced to interact outside our comfort zone.
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 9:24am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=158342
Our every submitted utterance, whether carefully considered, off the cuff, profound, profane, self-indulgent, contradictory, supportive, castigating, insulting, embracing. It's all recorded. It's like being locked in a hall of mirrors.
Borges would have loved this place.
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 9:00am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
TDIH - SDH
Yes on this day in 2008, SDH reviewed a Grateful Dead show from 1980 and he (or she, do we really know?) said that the Shakedown>Franklin's caused him to break 4 chairs!! Amazingly in 2005 he also reviewed a Grateful Dead show from 1985 and said that the Lost Sailor>Drums>Space>Saint caused him to break 5 chairs, 3 because of rocking and two in anger because Bluedevil puked on his shoes!!" This dude broke 9 chairs TDIH!! Where else can you read this kind of stuff! We truly are blessed.
(end dream sequence squiggly lines)
Then again....
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| Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:31am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
As for all this talk of reviewing the reviews, is that not the perfect use of our pompous, self-aggrandizing verbosity?
Again, methinks.
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| Poster: | skies | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 11:42am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | daliguana | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 3:52pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:08pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Tell rises to the challenge... |
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| Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 8:29am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:01am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
Here is what IA says its reason for existence and stated goals are.
"Libraries exist to preserve society's cultural artifacts and to provide access to them. If libraries are to continue to foster education and scholarship in this era of digital technology, it's essential for them to extend those functions into the digital world.
Many early movies were recycled to recover the silver in the film. The Library of Alexandria - an ancient center of learning containing a copy of every book in the world - was eventually burned to the ground. Even now, at the turn of the 21st century, no comprehensive archives of television or radio programs exist.
But without cultural artifacts, civilization has no memory and no mechanism to learn from its successes and failures. And paradoxically, with the explosion of the Internet, we live in what Danny Hillis has referred to as our "digital dark age."
The Internet Archive is working to prevent the Internet - a new medium with major historical significance - and other "born-digital" materials from disappearing into the past. Collaborating with institutions including the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian, we are working to preserve a record for generations to come.
Open and free access to literature and other writings has long been considered essential to education and to the maintenance of an open society. Public and philanthropic enterprises have supported it through the ages.
The Internet Archive is opening its collections to researchers, historians, and scholars. The Archive has no vested interest in the discoveries of the users of its collections, nor is it a grant-making organization."
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 7:36am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
But I was pithier.
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| Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 5:36am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-10-18.sbd.weir.7295.sbeok.shnf
PITB>Drums>Dark Star>Dew>PITB to open the second set!! Nice UJB jam reminiscent of the transitions in the China>Riders from '73 and '74 in the Dark Star ta boot.
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:48am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
Little sweetspot, late '72, as the band is rounding the corner into 1973...
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| Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:14am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-10-20.fob.akgd224e.holwein.motb-0094.100700.flac24
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| Poster: | dirtybuck | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 6:54am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
you hate the eighties ? lighten up and go outside.
82-84 smokes !
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| Poster: | skies | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 11:52am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 20, 2009 10:23am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Whats with all the flotsam and jetsam? |
you hate the eighties ?"
As many times as I feel up to expressing my opinion!
Just as you are free to disagree!
If sticking up for Jer chasing the dragon during Drums/Space during a mid-eighties shnorrer validates the money and time you spent during '83 or '84 attending shitty shows, knock yourself out...
