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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 12:50pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

MY GOAL- To assemble as complete of a "Terrapin Station Suite," from beginning to end, as is possible with all the music that has been written/recorded.

The complete Terrapin Station Suite, as written by the great Robert Hunter, consists of the following tracks:

Part 1
Lady With A Fan
Terrapin Station
At A Siding (not RH)

Part 2
Return To Terrapin
Ivory Wheels, Rosewood Track
And I Know You
Jack O' Roses
Leaving Terrapin
Recognition

As far as I've been able to find on the good ol' internet, Robert Hunter has not performed "Return to Terrapin," "And I Know You," "Leaving Terrapin," or "Recognition." What I really want is someone here to tell me that he HAS played the entire suite, from beginning to end, and direct me towards a recording of that. More likely, however, is that I will have to piece together the separate parts from the cobbled meanderings of other artists, as neither Jerry nor Hunter himself ever put the ENTIRE suite to music. Again, this is all to the best of MY knowledge, and I do hope that I'm incorrect.

Outside of the Dead's Terrapin Station Part I and the "Ivory Wheels, Rosewood Track" and "Jack O'Roses" from Hunter's 1980 "Jack O'Roses" LP, I haven't found the completion of the suite actually performed by Hunter or Garcia. So, assuming I am correct, I am wondering by whom, where, and when the remaining parts of the suite were recorded. On this website:

http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/TERRAPIN.HTM

...a 1996 album called "Play Terrapin Station" by the Mudkats is mentioned, as well as a 1999 work called "Terrapin" by Joe Gallant & Illuminati. I suppose there is a tiny chance that there is unheard material that I seek on one of these two albums, although I can find no information on either composition. I did go to YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3xxuDPAWRI

...and found this interesting piece of music. I just cannot get into at all, it's difficult to hear and understand, but is it legitimately the music that Robert Hunter apparently vouched for and supported?

Here are Hunter's acoustic studio contributions, presumably from the Jack O'Roses LP which I am getting my grubby paws on ATM:

Terrapin Station - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J233eWvxZbU
Ivory Wheels, Rosewood Track/Jack O'Roses - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqWB0oI957s
Jack O'Roses, Terrapin Station Reprised - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R9GiUNfa6s

And here, on archive.org, is supposedly the "Return to Terrapin" vouched for by RH himself, with music by "Rodleen":

http://www.archive.org/details/ReturnToTerrapin

So, assuming that all my information is so far correct, that leaves "And I Know You," "Leaving Terrapin," and "Recognition" to still be discovered. These are, I'd say, pretty important seeing as how the conclusion to the Terrapin Story is contained within the lyrics. So, if anyone can add ANYTHING to my research, it would be so much appreciated!

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Poster:	Mpogoda	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 8:35pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Why not just contact Robert Hunter directly and see if he can help? He is accessible and he might be flattered/willing. You never know until you try.

Maurice

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Poster:	quarteroll	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 4:48pm
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Apparently the Trip has not yet concluded, Trumpethead.
Please blow your horn elsewhere, so you do not continue scare them within this truthworthy peaceful setting know as the GD-LMA via the World Wide Web.

Thank you for your time Trumpethead.

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Poster:	Cliff Hucker	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:31pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Chris, why do you feel so compelled to disrupt every serious thread here with your malevolent bullshit? Is it attention you seek, or are you just an asshole?

What a shame the kind heads at Deadhook kicked your sorry ass outta there again. It was nice here while you were in the hospital! Cant you please get sick again or just die?

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Poster:	Bruce Matzkin	Date:	Mar 2, 2022 9:27am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

There is at least one performance of the entire Suite (except, for some reason, At A Siding)...
by "August West"

https://archive.org/details/AW2011-05-24.AW2011-05-24

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Poster:	Bruce Matzkin	Date:	Mar 2, 2022 9:32am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

"Recognition" is performed by Hunter in the March 2 1997 Boulder show.

Far as I can find, there are no recordings of him doing Return, Leaving, or And I Know You.

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Poster:	dilcurrie	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 3:59am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

You've probably checked these out, but in case you haven't:

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/RobertHunter1978-07-15.html

that contains 7-Lady With A Fan > Terrapin Station > Ivory Wheels/Rosewood Track >
Lady With A Fan > Jack Of Roses > Terrapin Station

whilst

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/roberthunter2003-06-11.html

has Terrapin Suite.

If you check out this link there is a quote from from Robert Hunter saying he played the whole suite including Recognition in Boulder Colorado on 03.02.1997.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/goodbear/hunterframes.html

This may be the holy grail of robert hunter recordings... happy hunting...

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 3:15pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

bologna hot dogs
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Poster:	Misty Eastwood	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:23am
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Then I'm expect to view the short once all your research becomes complete, Trumpethead. SPEND THAT MONEYTREE ! http://www.youtube.com/fgarvey#p/u
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Poster:	jglynn1.2	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 6:08pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Good luck with your search / task

The only one I can think of who might know is Ashesrising and he hasn't been posting much lately.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=149964

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Poster:	Inspiration Move Me Brightly	Date:	Jul 13, 2013 5:45pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

What would be cool is if you transcribed it and posted it to me. I really don't want to have to do this myself at this point....running late out of the Bayou for work.

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Poster:	Jerrob Hungar	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 2:48am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

According to the set list for the show at the Other End (with Larry Klein) on 20th July 1978, he played the full Terrapin Station Suite, but, if memory serves, some songs were missing from the recording...(I don't have access to my disks right now, so I can't confirm)
http://db.etree.org/lookup_show.php?shows_key=378745

In the Robert Hunter Set List Archive, the set list for March 2nd 1997 carries the following note - '*Included first (only?) performance of 'Recognition' section'. I can't confirm this as this recording has so far eluded me.
http://www.darkstarcrashes.com/hunter/1990s.html

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful at the moment but if you write to jerrobhungarAtYahooDotCoDotUk, I may be able to provide further assistance.

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Poster:	Bruce Matzkin	Date:	Mar 2, 2022 9:41am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Yes, the setlist.com lists all parts:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/robert-hunter/1978/the-other-end-new-york-ny-63e1069b.html

But it's only Lady/Terrapin/Ivory/Jack O' Roses

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Poster:	stratocaster	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 4:49pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

on April 29th, 1982, Robert Hunter performed the ENTIRE Terrapin Suite in all it's incarnations on the back porch of his marin county pad, his playing was flawless, his voice carried the tune like a spell spun with the web of a gilded spider...his girlfriend du jour and the four friends lay stoned on the floor in raptured audience to what was unfolding before them, but alas, THEY FORGOT TO HIT RECORD! can you believe that? bummer

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Poster:	quarteroll	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

your SCARING them stratocaster ... please refrain before your the next fender in HELL !!
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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:08pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

jesus and the 17 apostles
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:20pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

In order, these are the comments on the Grateful Dead Lyric and Song Finder site. The author is sound on everything else so I'd be inclined to believe him:

This is the sixth song in Robert Hunter's Terrapin Station Suite. It was never played by the Grateful Dead (nor, so far as I know by Robert Hunter himself).

This is the penultimate song in Robert Hunter's Terrapin Station Suite. It was never played by the Grateful Dead (nor, so far as I know by Robert Hunter himself).

This is the final song in Robert Hunter's Terrapin Station Suite. It was never played by the Grateful Dead (nor, so far as I know, by Robert Hunter himself).

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:28pm
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Yes I've read those comments many times :) My feeling is that there is more out there. I know that RH revisited the entire suite at one point, according to notes from "Box of Rain" that I first saw on that same website, and I want very badly to believe that somewhere is a performance, if nothing else then by RH's spoken word, of the remaining missing pieces of the suite.

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:43pm
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I know this is trite, but wishing won't make it so. If Hunter hasn't done it by now then I doubt that he's ever likely to. Do you play an instrument? Why not have a try at setting the lyrics yourself? Everything you've said leads me to believe you'd approach the task respectfully. Make your dream live.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:11pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

static-flavored pancakes with crushed noise syrup
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:52pm
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'Maybe there's a decent Grateful Dead forum somewhere that is home to Deadheads who understand my search.'

Well fuck off and find it then you whining little shit.

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 9:33am
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Explain to me why ,mister robtheworldsmith,you spit "little whining sh'',f''k off" to another deadhead here ?

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 9:54am
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I was tired and in a bad mood and I didn't like his tone.

It's done now.

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:00am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

I have 1 comment.

If, while reading posts in an internet forum, you come across the words, "I feel sorry for you", simply replace those words with, "I know that I'm better than you. You ignorant slut".

I have found that this sentence is always associated with some sort of less-than-civil debate and the one who writes it is, in troll-theory, assuming the moral high ground. But we all know this is just another passive-aggressive insult.

In summary:

I feel sorry for you = You suck, I rock.

If you think about using this insult, think again. If you read this insult in a post, simply decode and respond with a jovial "Blow me".

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:12am
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High Flow : what is the meaning of "blow me" ?

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:15am
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Whisper sweetly in my ear, my darling.

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:26am
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Hmmm,that's rather cute , High Flow but these words should e told only to your lady , methinks . As for 'being sorry' it is not as you say : we may say truly sorry when we hear about someone explainig they are getting surgery or had an accident or lost someone dear . ONly when i tell Cliff Hucker about 'being sorry for him ,poor thing" i really mean it as a joke , of course but not in a snobbish way .(yet i think it would be ridiculous to feel sorry for some nasty people i won't evenbother to name here )

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:38am
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Blow Cliff

:)

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:40am
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Never !He is in the second quarter of nasties !

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Poster:	Misty Eastwood	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:44am
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no, I think cliffy has moved to the "I don't know" part of 3rd base.

http://www.archive.org/details/HP2009-02-20.hampsterpants

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:14am
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Thanks, flow. I'm not sure whether I just got told off or not!

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:23am
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No Rob, I wasn't telling you off. Your adversary, whose compass is obviously broken(mine always points to Terrapin), said he/she felt sorry for you. I was coming to your defense.
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:25am
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Thank you, high flow. Very much appreciated.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:16pm
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i have not even one comment!
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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 3:06pm
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Look TrumpetHead, I was simply pointing out a very common phrase which is used in web-based mud-slinging. You used it and it reminded me how pathetic it is to say such a thing. You don't really feel sorry for anybody here, do you? I thought not.

Your project sounds interesting and I explored several of the links you posted. I am very sorry I don't have the magic link that will bring your efforts to fruition. Hopefully, if all goes well, the next person who comes around asking this question will find an answer based on your research.

Blow my ego?:) That's a new one!

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:14pm
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shiny shiny box of rocks
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 4:11pm
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My original estimation of your, for want of a better word, character having been confirmed by your sententious blatherings I might very well take Mr Flow's advice and offer you a hearty 'blow me!'. However, not wishing to have your carious orifice come any where near my tender portions I will simply refresh your ailing memory and repeat my earlier admonition to fuck off, you whining little shit. And you may take your insincere love offerings with you and stick them where the monkey sticks his nuts.

Over and very much out. I'm done with this. The floor is yours - don't leave marks.

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 9:40am
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I noticed you are sometimes a jolly good fellow , Mister Robthewordshith , then you get to be an awfull nasty for no valid reason . It must be very stressfull for your mrs to never know ,each day what sort of looney is going to pop in . Maybe you drink too much brit's tea , have become allergic to London fog ? At any rate , you give a bad reputation to Scots !Next time you are pissed , put your kilt on and remember you represent a proud people , Scotty !

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Poster:	dilcurrie	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 12:08pm
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Glad to have been of some small assistance... keep us posted.

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 12:30pm
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Mr T?

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Poster:	TheProdigalSon	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 1:11pm
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are you referring to the version on Hunter's Jack of Roses?

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:14am
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That's not a valid excuse , nasty Scot !

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:16am
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I wasn't making an excuse. Catch your own damn pigeon, cherie.

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:36am
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What you really mean here is that you wouldn't even know how to send me a plum pigeon fed on brits foods ,hé , Scotty !

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 11:01am
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You still haven't given me an address to send it to ...

:-)

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 12:05pm
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I don't know your address to send you my address !

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:12pm
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many thwartings of the hobble-cobbler
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 6:08pm
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Look, sunshine I tried to help you, tried to find you a positive way of crafting your own answer, but all you seem to want is to have someone else hand it to you on a plate. I'm not in the least bitter, I just have a low tolerance for hypocritical ungrateful arseholes who think they can say what they like then sugar it with a nauseating 'much love' that'll make everything hippy dippy all right.

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Poster:	hippie64	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 10:04am
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I'll be the judge of hippy- dippy Thanx to all your support and guidance to this forum though, it is appreciated

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:12pm
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unrequited joy balloons
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 6:56pm
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Highly entertaining to you perhaps, but somewhat ho-hum to me. Yes, on the whole I am much more a huggable teddy bear than a bitter, hateful person, but you just might not get to see it if you continue to come across as such a dick. It's 2 am, I'm tired, and I'm going to bed, so don't expect further responses.

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 9:43am
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I care about your search ,Trumpethead ,and there are a lot of nasty snobs here ,and plain idiots too convinced they know it all because they gobbled what medias tell them to think . Vulgar and utterly boring they can get, don't let them intimidate you and keep saying whatever suits you here ,as a few of them are fairly decent and will talk back with you to discuss on infos you search ! Don't give up ,never !

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 9:24am
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Sure TrupetHead ! I don't know you but I am sure you are a much nicer being that nasty Cliff Hucker insulting you as wanting you ill and death . Hucker is a nasty old creep ,na !

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Poster:	deadpolitics	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:13pm
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If someone who cares or knows is present here, I wish good luck to them in navigating the Present Moment Drivel that is so omnipresent here on the way to your intellectual challenge.

p.s. one of these days I'm gonna have the patience to read through the entire suite... from your dedication to this task, seems worth it.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 29, 2009 5:17pm
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Brother, it is AMAZING. It brings me chills to just THINK about the emotional progression and completeness of the entire suite. One of the most amazing pieces of literary art I've ever known. Reading Terrapin solidified Robert Hunter's place (IMHO, anyways) as one of the most important, psychically connected songwriters in history.

I would absolutely recommend that anyone interested in beauty or love read Terrapin Station in its entirety.

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 30, 2009 7:44pm
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Hey DP--having joined so recently, I hope you don't find the sorts of lame attempts at humor (mine mostly) distracting...it is difficult sometimes when so much of the conversation is between "old regulars" but I always try to intersperse some DEAD commentary myself...anyway, subjects come and go, so stick around and it'll improve.

BTW, my read of THead is that because he wants something to be available, comments to the contrary must not be tolerated...and, reading thru, it seems "he started it" as trivial as it is to say it...

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Poster:	deadpolitics	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 10:27am
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WT, I mean Present Moment Drivel in only the best way - I love the offbeat playful weirdness in here. Instead of being a distraction, it kind of opens up the discussions.

Long live all humor!

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 11:33am
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Hmmm, "PMD", another apt descriptor for Forum antics...

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Poster:	midnight sun	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 12:59pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

it's a good thing you said, "he started it" is "trivial", otherwise the perceived indiscretion of implying that we have no control over our reactions would surely justify firing back with unbridled self-righteous rage

2 threads into it and TH is the talk of the hen party

i like him already :)

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 2:48pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Ha! Well, Terrapin is just not my cup of tea, so I'll stick to the social interactions here at the Forum...and of course, I missed this whole interaction, but if you wanted an "objective" (?) insight, it seems TH came with a real chip on the shoulder, and wanted something for nothing...which I guess is what many of us do...but, when asking for blanket assistance on any matter, my view is that you keep your tail between your legs from start to finish, no matter what responses you get, ya know? But, that's just me...

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Poster:	midnight sun	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 3:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

that's true in any world, when i happen upon a broken down vehicle out on the cold lonely highway the occupants have no choice but to tolerate whatever comments i direct their way or face the possibility of frostbite if not death

a slippery slope to be sure, but maybe that's just me

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 4:15pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Yeah, there's something to be said for a captive audience...hey, MS, did I ever tell you the story about my dear departed brother coming upon the burned out van, with a moose (roasted) thru the windscreen, outside of Fairbanks one cold night? Somehow your post simulated that ancient memory...no one was there, asking for help, but it was a surreal scene.

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Poster:	midnight sun	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 4:24pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

"captive audience", lol! never thought of this place that way, although our captivity is entirely by our own design

no, you never relayed that particular story about your bro, sounds chilling to say the least! well suited for this particular day...any further thought to embarking on that "pilgrimage" you referred to years ago?

guess the flip side to all of this is, would i be as accommodating to someone who passes me on a blind corner in a snow storm, then ends up in the ditch cursing at me for driving too slow? (not saying TH did this)

can only hope i do the right thing, whatever that may be

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 5:46pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Ha...well, I think I may be guilty of hijacking two threads, with a bit of prejudgement on my part, but hey...if TH's an innocent newbie, I suppose it's par for the course that the initiation was brimstone and fire. Besides, anyone with that little knowledge of only year that counts (har, har), sixty eight, deserves a bit of a newcomer roasting in my book...but, you'll have to consult the other thread to see have far I've fallen.

I suppose I've come a long way since the "WWWTD" days of old...must be getting cranky in my old and broken down fifties...damn. But hey, I could be gearing up for six months of darkness, eh?

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 2, 2009 8:57pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Yep, it was also the first day i'd ever heard of the Dead, and the first day I'd ever had access to the internet ;)

"Fire and Brimstone" HAH! Imposters, truly! I've seen more painful flame wars between anime and import "ricer" fanbois! This forum could use a solid lesson in trolling, hi-jacking and flaming, because if everyone's as "en pointe" as you *seem* to imply, then this is the softest message board I've ever witnessed!

High-stepping Bears, indeed!

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 6:44am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Why, we are the Charmin of the Forums, soft and cuddly as a baby's teddy bear...of course, there's the occasional bout with colic, but once he's burped, CLIFF generally recovers nicely from that...and Rob's sometimes a tad cranky if his pampers have been snuggled up a bit too tight, but overall, we are as coo-cooing a bunch of little babies as can be imagined. And when I am feeling a little irritable from Troll Rash, there's always Miss D around with a soothing word--which is nice, cause frankly, I'd rather leave the whole fish oil as balm to seafaring likes of jgl and mando...

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Poster:	skies	Date:	Nov 4, 2009 6:54am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Co oingcharmin of the forum , you , Cliff and Scotty ? Cuddle bears ? With bristles n needles , maybe ! Such conceit on how nice you all are , is baffling !But there is so much worse in this world , well ,we can endure daily your neverending coversations .

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 4, 2009 7:33am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: Take only as directed

That's right...but be warned: the FDA has declared that enduring our conversations has been shown to cause irritable bowl syndrome in chimps.

Metamucil or CLIFF's patented Shark Oil Cure All do help with this condition.

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 7:42am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

You couldn't resist, could you?

Made me laugh anyway.

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 7:45am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Then my work is done here...

Great to see LiA chime in on the TC thread...knew he'd covered it before, but still thought a handful of us had some novel insights, not to mention fun, with that one.

What's enjoyable about these "detective" + "inference" style analytic threads is precisely the interplay between those two aspects. Unlike some issues, the TC thread shows how good detective work (ie, you putting together the timeline on TC, albums, etc.) can provide key info vis-a-vis a set of inferences (ie, "mine" with respect to suggestions of what happened when in 68 re: development of the suites). Instead of it being nothing but speculation & guesswork as to motivations, etc., we can uncover critical tidbits that better inform our analysis.

Don't mean to be making too much of the analysis of the analysis of a long dead band, but adding that to the mix of a bunch of old established forum friends keeps things interesting around here, eh?

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 8:54am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: speculations and digressions

I agree it was all pretty enjoyable building up some sort of semi-coherent picture between the idle speculators and the industrious researchers - fun for all concerned I think. The Scientological digression provided a great deal of amusement too. I really like these threads that start out fairly sensible and then just fan out in all kinds of unpredictable directions. You recall Earl's Jerry poll a couple of weeks ago? It's definitely those things that keep you sticking your head round the door day after day to see what's going on in here.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 12:33pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

finally...

you can't possibly call terrapin "melodramatic" if you know a damn thing about drama...

it is clearly FAR too complex of a story with characters exhibiting and dynamically devloping both positive and negative traits, with both admirable and evil character traits and faults inherent. I suppose if you compared the occurrences in (wildly simplified) the "first stanza" to the the occurrences in the "last stanza," if you will, a small indicator of melodrama may be inferred, but errantly; I guess you could call it "metadramatic" due to its dynamic, up-and-down feel throughout the piece, but ABSOLUTELY not "melodramatic." dont use words you dont understand.

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 12:52pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

You really think I don't understand "melodramatic"?

One could use the term to refer to StSt, my fav tune, for crying out loud..."one man gathers what another man spills" is by defn, "melodramatic"

Here we go: "exaggerated and emotional or sentimental; sensational or sensationalized; overdramatic."

You going to sit there and tell me that Terrapin ain't EXACTLY the above defn of "melodramatic"?

Terrapin is in fact, by Hunter's own allusions, "over-written" and "overly complex"...

It does not compare favorably with his earlier writings among critics of prose/poetry...where he goes too far, in my view, is in attempting a defn "story"...

Hunter does best when keeping it short and sweet.

If there is one thing I have a resonable understanding of, though often forsaking it here, it is the English language, so I don't think that's the issue...

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:17pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

WT: I was referring to the technical definiton of "melodrama" as far as one of the four distinct patterns of dramatic action is concerned. of course, a simpleton's dictionary definition will always miss the point.

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 5:57pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: Sorry, but the general public agrees about melodrama...

Oh great--get the defn you want, from an established source (mine was Websters), post it here and defend yourself... So far, you're not doing well in that regard. I put some below for you to ponder...common usage my friend, common usage... Oh, this is too funny--check this out for addt'l sorts that find TS "melodramatic" (no, I am not making this up, nor am I the reviewer, Doug Collete): "Given the ingenuous nature of this band, it's perhaps little surprise that one of their most pure instances of inspiration—Garcia and lyricist Robert Hunter's near-simultaneous creative epiphany giving birth to "Terrapin Station"—would end up one of their most seriously tainted projects. For this, their first record for Arista---founded by the archetypal record mogul Clive Davis as an expatriate of behemoth Columbia Records—Grateful Dead deferred to producer Keith Olsen, fresh off his mammoth success with Fleetwood Mac, who orchestrated stings and vocal choir for this epic piece; a tighter more concise arrangement, emphasizing the spaces between the pieces of the suite rather than filling those spaces, would've been much preferable. The melodrama on the studio version is almost laughable, especially given what the band, even so recently as this summer, was able to do with the piece in concert, and the fact that melodrama is virtually alien to this group that brought new meaning to the word understatement."
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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:30pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Just to assist you, here are multiple defn's of the term: ONE: "1. a. A drama, such as a play, film, or television program, characterized by exaggerated emotions, stereotypical characters, and interpersonal conflicts. b. The dramatic genre characterized by this treatment. 2. Behavior or occurrences having melodramatic characteristics." TWO: "A dramatic form characterized by excessive sentiment, exaggerated emotion, sensational and thrilling action, and an artificially happy ending. Melodramas originally referred to romantic plays featuring music, singing, and dancing, but by the eighteenth century they connoted simplified and coincidental plots, bathos, and happy endings. These melodramatic traits are present in Gothic novels, western stories, popular films, and television crime shows." THREE: "A dramatic work with a musical setting where the dialogue is spoken - for the duration of the work or for certain scenes only. Many operas have melodramatic scenes of this kind." FOUR: "1. (noun) melodrama formerly, a kind of drama having a musical accompaniment to intensify the effect of certain scenes. Now, a drama abounding in romantic sentiment and agonizing situations, with a musical accompaniment only in parts which are especially thrilling or pathetic. In opera, a passage in which the orchestra plays a somewhat descriptive accompaniment, while the actor speaks; as, the melodrama in the gravedigging scene of Beethoven's "Fidelio"..." Looks like I have a point, eh TH?
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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 6:24pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

hehe

i hope you didnt spend too much time on this

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 7:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

It's what I do--I suppose you actually have to think about each post, eh?

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Poster:	jglynn1.2	Date:	Nov 4, 2009 7:25am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Quit being so damn melodramatic




Arrow Boy


hehehehehehe

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 4, 2009 7:30am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Well, it's nice to see someone actually reads this drivel! I was worried there for a bit--maybe I actually didn't know the defn of melodramatic.

But, as Woody Allen would say, "melodramatic is my bread and butter...my various breads and butters..."

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Besides being something of a drama queen what qualifies you to hold forth? Terrapin IS melodramatic - full of overblown emotions and stereotypical characters. Shorn of the music it is banal in the extreme, derivative and full of cliched imagery. Its success is entirely down to Garcia's setting.

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:26pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Just make sure you see this:

"...Ghost of Cat Mangler's Past arise from behind the stage and look down upon the [fat?] old man as if to say "OK, maybe not a good ol' Donna PITB spine wrencher, but not bad, not bad at all"..."

We just might have to put the whole frickin thing in the Forumiations Phrase Book, edition 4.

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Poster:	SomeDarkHollow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

And while we are on the subject, I must say that Terrapin is one those tunes I could really do without seeing live EDIT: as often as I did. The studio version is outstanding, but as a live tune it just doesn't do it for me. Way too structured and predictable for my tastes (in terms of what I would rather see at a show...or would have rather seen, to be more chronologically accurate). Plus you add on the stress the tune puts on Jerry's vocals, it could, and often did, become somewhat of a train wreck at times as Jerry struggled to hit the high ones. There were times at that particular juncture I swear I could see the Ghost of Cat Mangler's Past arise from behind the stage and look down upon the old man as if to say "OK, maybe not a good ol' Donna PITB spine wrencher, but not bad, not bad at all".
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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:19pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Well, this is what good friends are for..."piling on" as we sports buffs are wont to say...("wont" now there's a nice word, though a bit melodramatic methinks).

But, I know you both spoke from your own anti-Terrapin hearts...

So, I won't take it personally, though I still would like to...

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Poster:	SomeDarkHollow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:27pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Rob has a heart?

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 2:15pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

I can smell it from here.

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:30pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

It's a damn ugly rumour and I'll deny it to my last breath.

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:29pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

OK - let's cut to the chase and stop being so gentlemanly and reticent about this. Terrapin sucks the big one. It is pedestrian in the extreme and of interest only to the fundamentally naive and intellectually gullible for whom Dan Brown stands alone as the most insightful writer of our generation.

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Poster:	SomeDarkHollow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:55pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

"...pedestrian in the extreme and of interest only to the fundamentally naive and intellectually gullible for whom Dan Brown stands alone as the most insightful writer of our generation" Out-freakin'-standing For me, the only thing comprable to Jerry singing Terrapin in the later years would be a Puberty-ridden Peter Brady reciting, er, screeching passages from "Angels and Demons".
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 1:56pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Come on, man - you have to curb these anal-perfectionist post-modifying tendencies of yours.

:-)

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Poster:	SomeDarkHollow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 2:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Nah. You just wish Dan Brown would do some editing on the same scale. HAH! I will not be restricted! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyooALwfxO8
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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 2:50pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

All I can say is, it is amusing that the first ever "defend William Tell!" thread was hijacked just when I was starting to feel good about myself again...tragic, really.

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

You're just an unreconstructed egomaniac - this was never about you, you ancient blatherer.

Still, have to say you're quicker on the draw than that young eedjit trumpethead. (Is that a blowjob euphemism I haven't heard yet?)

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:17pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Clafification: my dad, who was one to recite this now and again when I was but a youth (F-W, above) always pronounced it "eejdit" and thus...

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:25pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

"Do you like Kipling, ma'am?"
"Why, sir, I don't believe I've ever kippled."

Wonderful stuff, WT! Did yer auld faither have a brogue?

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:48pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

An Irish one at that (of course, you knew that), and in spite of what the brits did to "us" (as he would always say), he had a real fondness for the military poets of the late 19th cent. Many a time, nursing some injury of sorts, while I was waiting to go to the doc, he would sooth my soul with renditions of various epic tales (charge of light brigade, fuzzy, gunga, etc.).

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Poster:	skangster	Date:	Mar 27, 2011 8:36am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

http://irishbitz.net your one and only stop for irish torrents

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:04pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Old Kipling had his finger on the pulse and is still pretty relevant today. I think people across the pond have the same difficulties we do in reconciling deep respect for the troops on the ground in Afghanistan with despising the politicians who put them there. Kipling had something to say about that too:

If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Soldier of the Queen!

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:16pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

rofl this is just too easy

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:24pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

Too easy for what? For you to masturbate yourself into a state of self-absorbed delight? You need to do better than that, Onanette.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 6:24pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

whatever flips your skirt, man :)

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:09pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

OMG--pardon the webesque exclamation, but this is all I can think of after that:

"'E rushes at the smoke when we let drive,
An', before we know, 'e's 'ackin' at our 'ead;
'E's all 'ot sand an' ginger when alive,
An' 'e's generally shammin' when 'e's dead.
'E's a daisy, 'e's a ducky, 'e's a lamb!
'E's a injia-rubber idiot on a spree,
'E's the on'y thing that doesn't give a damn
For a Regiment o' British Infantree!

So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in the Soudan;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man..."

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 2:58pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

During Froggy Jerry years, it could be a fun moment when the whole auditorium screamed along with TERRAPIN! And then they would just crush and shake the roof. Sure, the lyrics may not withstand deep literary analysis but on a head full of whatever and good friends it was a hell of a lot better than the obligatory Don't Ease/Might As Well 1st set closer or lame Chuck Berry cover to ease us in to a Day Job/US Blues' encore.

So, NA! (sha na?)

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:10pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
[repeat many times and fade out]

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:14pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

See, you do know about US sporting events.

In turn, we owe over the pond for Queen's ubiquitous "We Are The Champions" blaring over the stadium p.a. system

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:27pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

Does anyone get royalties for that ta-da-da-ra-ta-ra organ riff they always play at ice hockey matches?

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:17pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

In 89 they were getting pretty Yes-ish with all the synth and midi technology and Terrapin was better for it. Check out this one...... http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-12-06.sbd.miller.tetzeli.fix-14917.33821.reflac.flac16 Ooooh! Celebrate good times, c'mon!!(A's win)
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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:30pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

"In 89 they were getting pretty Yes-ish with all the synth and midi technology"


That's incitement to pitchforks and burning windmills, young flow!

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:32pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of Terrapin

Riot if you must. I call them as I see them.

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:40pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of punk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hM1dtRolY

Really, watching this makes me want to search and destroy...

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Poster:	robthewordsmith	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 3:46pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: In defense of punk

This will get rid of that bad taste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91rAHIb8BwY

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Poster:	DeadRed1971	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 2:33pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

At least Peter didn't turn out like Greg:
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/5/The-Real-Greg-Brady-286881.html

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Poster:	Misty Eastwood	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 5:20pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say... "No Quarter"

I'm still wondering about the "Limited Number" edition of "Terrapin Station" I purchased like 10 years ago just to see it for sale again @ dead.net. Maybe rhino decided moving Terrapin to Vegas where Phil's liver transplants will be cheaper (according to Bill Walton's Chinese Girlfriend) closer to the Excalibur.

"The Bottle Was Dusty, But Like Liqueur was clean"

BOBO = 18yr old Single Barrel

RIP BOBO


..... come on Phil, "we are still waiting."

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:19pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

that's interesting, i don't like the studio version much at all (although "at a siding" is intriguing); even as RH (and quite possibly jerry as well) felt, terrapin was recorded and finished to soon w/o the proper development, because it had to be shipped off so the producer could "gussy it up with strings"

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 4:49pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

"even as RH (and quite possibly jerry as well) felt, terrapin was recorded and finished to soon."

Is there an interview in which RH relates his feelings about the recording of Terrapin? I'd like to read or hear that.

As for Jerry, I don't think he was ever truly satisfied with the band's studio efforts. I recall Jerry mentioning Mars Hotel as his favorite studio album.

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Poster:	Dust_E	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 5:16pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

So what hasn't been performed? I would love to have a stab at it. :=)

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Nov 3, 2009 11:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: OK, just shoot me now, but I've just gotta say...

http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/JACKOROS.HTM

Here is note 1 after the lyrics:

[(1) In his journal for 12 June 2003, Hunter explained: "Jack O'Roses ... is a Garcia composition, one he never played. Not because he didn't like it, but he was never keen to add lyric parts to a song already recorded. I always felt "Terrapin" was recorded too soon, there was much more to do on it. But recording company pressures dictated that our contributions to the album be done by a certain date so that the producer could take it off to London and gussy it up with strings."]

We could confirm this with a check into hunter's journals, which are no longer on his website. I think they are on the internet somewhere, as I recall reading a number of them looking for traces of rare terrapin performances. Who knows, though.

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Poster:	midnight sun	Date:	Nov 1, 2009 11:44am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

don't know how you do it Will, somehow you manage to stay on good terms with almost everyone, bridge so many ongoing grudges between people, never resort to point "blank" vulgarities...it goes without saying your qualities are the reason i jumped into this one

that and the dual reality of the cold lonely highway...

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Nov 1, 2009 3:14pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE regulars list of posters needs attn

You're too kind MS, I am certain of that...but, this place rolls along, and we all seem to do well with it...at least the regulars that even if not posting every day, check in now and again. I really feel as if we 20-40 posters or so have established quite a "family" atmosphere of sorts, as close as you can come to that on the web anyhow.

I now it sounds almost pathetic, but if one of "us" posts (ie, just as an example, Rob, HFlow, Dire, SDH, BD, you, DHM, elb, jgl, mcglone, Ashes, SCBall, GoP, NC, smi2les, St Stephen, Jody, DrFl, vapors, veblen, Miss D, Mando, Earl, ducats, nagdot, amos, dali, ganges, tiger, strat, huntr, patkelley, dham, CPW, dilcur, snori, stealz, wharfrat, wineland, mcgah, CLIFF, cush, arb, max, user, LiA, HeLives, etc., etc. [sorry all--cannot try to list everyone!]) then the others more or less "get it" and though it seems like in subsequent posts they are "defending" them, it's really just the increased understanding that comes from extended interactions...you know what I mean?

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 3:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

haha

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Poster:	William Tell	Date:	Oct 31, 2009 3:37pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Well, if you ask me, you could spend your time far more productively with Hunter's works prior to 71...seriously. Terrapin is grossly over-written, overly melo-dramatic, and frankly, just not up to snuff. But, that is a very biased viewpoint of one that has spent a great deal of time with Hunter's early works...It is certainly the case that Ashes Rising, a former frequent poster hereabouts, would no doubt have a great deal to talk with you about--you should seek him out. But, for now, to each his own. Enjoy your pursuit!

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Poster:	Inspiration Move Me Brightly	Date:	Jul 13, 2013 5:43pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

He played it live and it's up with bunches of 5 stars...Boulder Fox theater 1997...here on the archives genius.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Jul 13, 2013 7:53pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

first of all, i'm honored that you think im a genius. good guess.

second, if you had shed your sarcasm and haughtiness (undoubtedly absorbed from some of the other self-absorbed know-it-alls on this forum) and listened to the song you so rudely directed me to, you might have found that it simply does not contain multiple of the songs included in the entire 9-part suite; where are "Return to Terrapin," "And I Know You," or "Leaving Terrapin?"

guess what, kids, they arent there- and if any of you ever-so-intelligent wish-you-were-there "deadheads" ACTUALLY knew something that I don't, I can only hope that you would have SAID SOMETHING instead of dealt with me in the way unabashed assholes would have...

however, thanks for reminding me how prickish old deadheads can be when they assume that they control every piece of useful information on the planet. at any rate, although i have more information NOW on the entire suite than apparently ANY of these "look at me i know more than you!!!!1!1!" dicks could even make up on their own, rest assured that i wont bother sharing any of it with these jokes of deadheads on the archive forum. by the way- do any of you jerks even PLAY music, or are you just fanboys? now THAT was refreshing.

finally:

Q: How many deadheads does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: None! They just wait for it to burn out, then follow it around for 30 years!

enjoy, kiddos

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Poster:	MR.SUNSHINE	Date:	Jul 24, 2013 12:10am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Have you found out if Robert has performed more than that Boulder 97 show TS? I think I heard a 2004 show TS that was longer but didn't contain 'recognition'. I admit I haven't read through all of the previous posts because a lot of them were made by people that had nothing legit to say. (most of them didn't even say anything related to terrapin, just a lot of out-of-skull high shit)

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Jul 24, 2013 7:55am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Unless he has performed it in the last couple years since I made this post, most likely no, he apparently has never set to music let alone performed at least 3 of the 9 tracks. Hard to say for sure though.

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Poster:	MR.SUNSHINE	Date:	Jul 24, 2013 8:30pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Damn, well thanks for getting back to me. He is going to be playing some shows here pretty soon so there may be a sliver of hope haha.

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Poster:	TrumpetHead	Date:	Jul 24, 2013 8:44pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

hey do me a favor and track him down backstage when you see him then, and ask about this? we'd all be very appreciative :)

id do it myself but am on way a different tour at the moment

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Poster:	MR.SUNSHINE	Date:	Jul 24, 2013 9:38pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: The COMPLETE Terrapin Station Suite- All 9 Tracks- Help Needed

Yeah I'm going to try to make atleast one, but its looking like all the shows are on the east coast.(I live in the west)