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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 29, 2010 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Deal

I'm obsessed with Deal. Maybe not the most profound song ever written, but it thrums in my head all day long.

I bet some of you folks have a list of your favorite Deals you want to share with me? :) Or fascinating lore/trivia associated with this song?

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Poster: zeroenvy Date: Apr 29, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I was shocked to see this one from the swing hadn't been mentioned. Awkwardly, its not the playing in this one that grabbed me but the vocals.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-02-26.sbd.cantor.deibert.83283.flac16

It closes out the first set with a bang. On the final creshchendo for about 2 verses, bob and donna really scream. If anyone can show me versions where the ending is done similar to this epicness please do.

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Apr 29, 2010 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-05-15.fob.sonyecm220t.keshavan.miller.fix.94516.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: barongsong Date: Apr 29, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-06-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83718.sbeok.flac16 One of the best ever in my book but really just check out any 89 deal and you can't go wrong. Here's a good thread on this from a little while back. http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=292501
This post was modified by barongsong on 2010-04-29 17:51:55

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 29, 2010 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

assume Strat is referring to this show in that thread (not 11/17/78) re - "old school", Jer’s solo across the changes goes for 3 rounds instead of the usual 2...awesome!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-11-16.psbd.wiley.11486.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Apr 29, 2010 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Yeah that is good stuff and Keith is letting it eat. He is for sure awake

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Poster: plbowler Date: Apr 30, 2010 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Cornell!!!!!!

not sure why this didn't get mentioned, maybe i'm missing something.
nice and slow with Jerry absolutely KILLING the solo. K-I-L-L-I-N-G

Awesome

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.mtx.dan.29511.flac16

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Poster: plbowler Date: Apr 30, 2010 7:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cornell!!!!!!

omg


I was thinking of Loser...

what a moron, anyway the Deal is pretty smokin' too

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 30, 2010 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cornell!!!!!!

They're certainly related songs, I think of them as a pair. (So you're not a moron.)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 29, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I always feel left out of the Deal discussions. I have to admit that it's one of the few songs that markedly improved into the later era. The performances from the 80's are clearly better and more jammed out than the early era performances of the song. I'm sure the 80's zealots will be able to produce some fine renditions for you!

Still I'm more inclined to listen to the '71 performances at the Fillmore West or Harding Theatre...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-07-02.sbd.backus.11798.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-11-07.sbd.lai.2580.shnf

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 29, 2010 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I don't know. I'm more inclined to early era myself. Have been listening to the Europe '72 disks and at first I thought the Deal was too slow, lacking its later pizazz. But it's grown on me, and I have to admit, after checking out some of these 80's versions this afternoon, I think maybe the 71's and 72's win after all.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 29, 2010 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Bravo!

Good for you!

Here is another jangly '71 performance, short but sweet...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-05.prefm.miller.3391.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 30, 2010 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

OMG the Muddy Water has me mesmerized.

Ok I'm really going to try to calm down and stop posting.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 30, 2010 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Keep gushing...

12/5/71 is an historic perfomance and argueably one of the all-time greats!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 30, 2010 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I have never heard anything like this before!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 30, 2010 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Sold! This one is the winner.
I've concluded this is the way that song is supposed to sound. A bit slower, but a fuller sound. I'm definitely into '71 at the moment.
Off to listen to the rest of the show ... great stuff.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 30, 2010 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Am I the only one who gets childishly excited when the band is introduced?
rhetorical question - I don't think I'm the only one ...
My son tries to skip the intro and I'm slapping his hand ... I want to pretend I'm there.
(I know, get a life ...)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 30, 2010 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Robert Hunter would agree with you...

"In songs like 'Deal,' there are almost definate instructions being given on how to approach things. This is the only gift that I can give in that way."

Not sure I would though. In spite of my loathing of 80's Grateful Dead, I still concede that the song was better during the late era.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2010 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I feel the same way...there just aren't that many that grab me before my "era's up"...

As a studiophile, I also have never gotten over the original, from his first solo album, since I think it has such a crisp, unique sound, and I listened to it so much before ever hearing any live ones myself.

So, no brainer for me: I put the orig track on all my "Jerry Mixes" (from tapes in the 70s, to CDs for newbies almost 40 yrs later!).

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Apr 29, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Try 2-5-1978 dick picks 18. Part of the show is on here but not Deal. My fav

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 29, 2010 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-08-27.aud.hinko.16439.sbeok.shnf

This one is my fave from the later years. Gets nuclear at the end.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 29, 2010 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Thanks everyone. This'll keep me busy for awhile ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2010 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I guess you didn't get any "lore", but I will pull a Bacon on you, and transfer (re: hijack) to Loser, and the reliance on the Q of Diamonds (he's not gonna lose, right?), whereas, to Baconite it, in Desperado (whatever you think of the tune/Eagles/others that do it), "she" is NOT your best bet...rather, the Q of Hearts.

I always think of that trivia when listening to Deal/Loser, and of course, have always bet on the QD rather than the QH since hearing it...

How's that for far afield?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 29, 2010 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

excerpt from Annotated GD Lyrics (D. Dodd)

[[[4. inside straight
An inside straight is a drawing hand in poker with a single missing rank to draw a straight. A hand with an ace, a king, a jack, and a ten would need a queen to fill an inside straight. This is how the player knows he will not lose, the card on the top of the deck has the shine of the queen of diamonds, so he knows he will make his hand even though it is a statistical long shot. Good poker players will almost never draw to an inside straight.]]]


the queen of hearts is all about warmth (only privy to the dealer) but the queen of diamonds is the gal that shines!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2010 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Of course she does! [thanks for that...] [EDIT: of course, I can count the number of inside straights I have "filled"!? Shine or no, it just doesn't work out too often...]
This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-04-29 21:48:57

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 29, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

perhaps, who's "got the shine" would be better

then there's the Q of clubs (?) hey, a dude could end up having a hell of a lot worse to Deal with...

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Poster: vapors Date: Apr 29, 2010 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Of course, in a game of Hearts, it is the queen of spades that can prove most significant.

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Apr 30, 2010 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

This version is a 10 minute monster but never seems to get mentioned:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-06-30.aud.set1.cole.18559.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 30, 2010 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I think there are a ton of threads on this topic but I love the summer solstice version on pay per view. That one really cooks. Shoreline June 1989.

Also Branford adds a lot to this tune on the 1991 show from MSG

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Poster: snori Date: Apr 29, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I'm repeating myself here, but I think this one just takes off to another level in Jerry's solo. Sorry - http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-03-28.fm.hanno.3306.sbefail.shnf
This post was modified by snori on 2010-04-29 19:55:48

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Apr 29, 2010 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Link? or is that just a general observation of Deal?

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Apr 29, 2010 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

I dont know of a link but i will be more that happy to help you obtain a copy..if i knew where to send it

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 29, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

This one works pretty good

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-05-06.glassberg.vernon.17697.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Apr 29, 2010 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-05-01.fob.wagner.motb-0074.92416.flac24

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Apr 29, 2010 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deal

Not just a great deal, but a great aud and one of the great Hampton shows.