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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 7:30am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Drums>Space anyone ? |
I mean, mainly "on tape", without the visuals and live experience .
Do you find it one of the most amazing things done at a show, or a boring, piss break ( track skip )?
I think they run the gamut . I tend to like space more than drums, though some of those , Garcai goes "bwwa, bwa, bwa, bwwwaaa" with his guitar synth. , and Weir goes 'REIK, REEIIK" , while the drummers take a break , and get old .
Has a brave soul analyzed the history of this aspect of the Dead's music , ala LIA 's awesome posts ?
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Poster: | BataviaSparky | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 9:34pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
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Poster: | AltheaRose | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 11:17am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
At shows, it wasn't really a time to visit the little girl's room. Best time for that would be a Brent song. I really appreciate Brent, but his songs? Just not GD to me.
Don't know the history, but I've assumed Space evolved out of the freeform explorations of the late 60s and early 70s, plus Phil's work with Ned Lagin. On drums, I'd wonder if the genesis, or at least the expansion, would have come with Mickey's work on Apocalypse Now, plus his growing interest in world music after Egypt.
Rock Scully (or his ghostwriter) describes Drums rather flippantly as a time for the drummers to stop being these half-invisible, hunched-over guys off in the back and finally get a few minutes in the spotlight, which the rest of the band liked because they got to sneak off for a smoke-Persian-Heineken break.
Offhand, one really hot Drums that comes to mind would be Marin Vets 10/31/83. (I think Airto was sitting in, which I guess would mean 3 drummers ... !!!)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-31.horvath-nak.ladner.19894.sbeok.shnf
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 12:16pm |
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Poster: | Longnstrange | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 3:23pm |
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 4:24pm |
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Poster: | user unknown | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 9:58am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
usually skip it, but there are a few interesting ones(none spring immediately to memory) that capture my imagination when I do listen
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Poster: | Purple Gel | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 10:13am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums&;Space anyone ? |
This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-06-07 17:13:14
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 9:24am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-07-22.pcm-sbd.miller.30650.sbeok.flacf
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Poster: | cosmic charlie dupree | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 1:51pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
One that gets cited alot is the 4/19/82 "Raven" Space segment - I personally detest that one above any I've ever heard! On the other hand, I love the 1/22/78 McArthur Court "E.T." Space which often is listed as a fan favorite.
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Poster: | AltheaRose | Date: | Jun 8, 2010 8:38am |
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Poster: | midnightcarousel | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 8:50am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
There's nothing cohesive about most spaces; at their best, I think they can enhance the concert as a whole by simply giving the listener a break from tonality. But most of them are way too long to be anything but boring.
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 4:39pm |
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Poster: | dedhed1981 | Date: | Apr 26, 2015 2:13pm |
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 4:42pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
I have noticed some basic traits in the evolution of these segments . They start as being rather normal percussion, then simple space transitions to the upcoming song; then they slowly get more complex , as they get more toys .First the tars, etc, then the electronic drums, the beam; and on the space front , the addition of midi, etc . In general the sections got longer .
I don't know when they started doing this, but before space they would pick an idea or "theme" to base it on . It is too bad they didn't write it down .I t would be cool to g back and see how whatever they chose to use actually affected what they did .
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Poster: | Capt. Cook | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 11:20am |
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 10:05am |
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Poster: | Dudley Dead | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 4:35pm |
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Poster: | pjcenedella | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 8:50am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
even though the only time i've seen the dead, 4/21/09, i enjoyed drums and space as much as the rest of the show.
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Jun 7, 2010 11:09am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
On Tape: skip it
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Poster: | snojon | Date: | Jun 8, 2010 6:12am |
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jun 8, 2010 5:53pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
Guests included Hamza el Din, Olatunji, Gyuoto Tantric Choir, with experimental musical instruments (a journal in N Cali at that time) and oversized balaphons. And of course, The Beam, a very long monochord played with pipes and gun shells and heavy electronics-processed. It was even featured in a museum show along with Partch instruments and so forth.
Garcia and the others got to stretch out for Space and it was cool to see what would come out of it. It could be inspired and resolve a good trip or often just miss like the rest of the show. But then how many came for the show?
I think that Mickey and another Dead person picked up the whole idea for The Beast/The Beam also completely from Francisco Lupica:
http://www.virtualvenice.info/music/francisco.htm
Michael Stearns had a cool album from a Beam installation in LA. See also for Huxley and Lavelle info http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/12/star-trek-female-orgasms-and.html
I'd also say that at times the visuals mattered quite a bit -- see the video "So Far" for archetypal mid-80s visuals. Later early fancy graphics were occasionally provided by SGI people called the Raster Masters.
My fave drums/space is Red Rocks 9-7-85, the one going into Dr Mr Fantasy, for both the balafon, Beam (esp), and the guitars.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-09-07.sbd.miller.18102.sbeok.shnf
I also like 11-22-85 Harvest Festival at Kaiser because of the 6 foot berimbaus.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-22.sbd.miller.77404.sbeok.flac16
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Poster: | spacedface | Date: | Jun 8, 2010 6:35pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
This post was modified by spacedface on 2010-06-09 01:35:39
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Poster: | Jim F | Date: | Jun 8, 2010 12:51am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Drums>Space anyone ? |
It's rare I make it past 79 so no comment there really. I don't get much enjoyment out of listening to the early-mid 80's.
As for the later years (late 80's-95), the rare times I do listen to those shows, the themier jams in drumz/space are often the most interesting parts of the show for me. Stuff like those Hornsby jams from Europe 90. 3/9/92 is another favorite.
In short, I mostly skip. When I do listen, it's far more likely I listen to the space and pass on the percussion segments.