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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 12, 2010 1:22pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
Possible set list : Mystery Train Jam; Slow Instrumental; Instrumental Jam; County Roads Jam; Country Roads; Instrumental Jam; Nobody Knows but Me; Goin' to San Antonio; Studio Talk; Instrumental Jam; Tuning; Instrumental Jam; Seasons of My Heart.
Obviously this event took place, the music has circulated.
Anyone heard it?
Know anything about it?
Want to send me an mp3 of the set?
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 12, 2010 2:21pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
>From: jeff tiedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I'm impressed how, in the face of first-hand reports from Scotty, the owner of Scotty's Music Store and the source of the reel in question, speculation and disinformation such as what's below continue to drift in.
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>Here's are the facts:
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>1. The venue is Scotty's Music Store in St. Louis
Yes. The CDR I picked up from the store itself generally matches what's circulating.
>2. The date is unknown, but most likely recorded when the Dead and NRPS came through St. Louis anywhere from 1970 to 1972. Agreed. Date is certainly uncertain.
>Anything else reported as a fact is either guesswork or outright fabrication and can we please move past that now?
(And there are those who say that whoever is playing pedal steel is NOT Buddy Cage, that the playing is not in his style. So you see,even that is in question.)
Well, as you'll see below Scotty mentions that Buddy Cage was present and recognizes him on the tape. But he also says that he played that night. So, the unfamiliar style could be Scotty.
What follows are emails between Scotty, of Scotty's Music Store, and I regarding the unearthing of this master reel. (posted with his permission). BTW, Scotty is DeWitt "Scotty" Scott.
http://www.scottysmusic.com/
http://www.geocities.com/steelguitarjam/scotty.htm
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Scotty,
Scotty's Music was brought up today on a mailing list I subscribe to. The mailing list is for the www.deadlists.com website. The website (and mailing list) is dedicated to compiling setlists and other information regarding the
Grateful Dead.
Apparently, members of the Grateful Dead and the New Riders of the Purple Sage (NRPS) had some sort of jam session at Scotty's Music Store in October of 1972. The Dead played at the Fox in St. Louis from October 17th through the 19th of
1972. It is likely that the jam session occurred either just before, during, or right after these shows. A fairly degraded 30 minute tape circulates from this
supposed session.
Scotty, any information (dates, times, how it came about, etc.) that you can recall from this jam session would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you know anything about the whereabouts of the master tape of the jam session, that info would be very helpful.
I look forward to hearing back from you.
Regards, Jon
P.S. I enjoyed "Scotty's All-Star Band" with Vassar Clements and Doug Jernigan which I saw upstairs at the Sheldon last year (after the Flying Mules/Vassar
performance). Great stuff! Do you put these bands together often?
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From: Scotty's Music [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 1:37 AM
To: Jon Bruner
Subject: Re: Scotty's Music jam session (1972) -Reply
Jon,
Yes, the Grateful Dead and the New Riders were at my store. Not once butseveral times over the years. Unfortunately, I do not keep very good recordsand do not know the exact dates or what I did with the photos that I took.
My store is small but both bands were here and they sat on the floor and we were crowded but everyone enjoyed it. What they liked about meeting at mystore is that I did not take advantage of their being here by letting everyone know that they were coming. Jerry, especially, liked that. I had
contact with Jerry for a long time after that. I sent him a lot of my Steel Guitar LP's and he sent me everything that the Grateful Dead and the New Riders had on recordings up to that date. All this is packed in boxes and stored away. I did not even mark on the boxes what was in them back in those days. I would have to search many, many boxes to find any thing that I have on those guys.
About the recording. I only made one. Buddy Cage played steel guitar for awhile and I played steel guitar for awhile. Everyone had their go at singing and playing the flat top guitars. I made the recording on a cassette
or maybe it was a reel to reel I'm not sure now. It seems like I did make a copy for a person and he was sworn to secrecy that it be for him and not to be copied. I guess he did not honor that request. I do not know where that
recording is now. It is in a box with all of the other cassettes and in storage.
I remember I went to the Fox but do not remember much about it. I do remember more about going to the Kiel auditorium for one of their concerts. I went down before the show and Jerry had his ZB steel guitar set up and he invited me to sit behind it. He sat on the floor beside the steel and when I would hit what he liked he would say, "Far out" and I would show him the lick.
I sat backstage that night for the concert and the backstage was full of people. Jerry invited me to set a chair on the stage close to his steel guitar which I accepted. About ten minutes into the concert Bob Heil tapped
me on the shoulder and told me to look behind me. I did and there was no one behind stage anymore. Bob said I should feel honored because no one, absolutely no one, was allowed behind stage when the Grateful Dead was playing, much less being on the stage while they were playing. I got embarrassed I got off the stage and went out into the audience. As I look back to that scene I really do feel honored that I had that privilege.
On one of the their trips in St. Louis Jerry bought a new MSA D-10 steel guitar from me. When it came to pay me the manager asked me, "what is our price?" Jerry put his hand the managers shoulder and said to him, "You pass
this man the retail price!" They counted out about $2,800.00 in cash and gave it to me. I really felt nervous walking to my car that night with $2,800.00 in my pocket. I would meet with Jerry and the guys at their motel out by the airport here in St. Louis and party with them. In fact, anytime they would get within 200 miles of St. Louis they would call me and I would take my reel to reel tape recorder and a bunch of tapes from the International Steel Guitar [Hall of Fame] and we'd sit around and listen to
them.
I do put together a band when I produce a steel guitar show. I invited a player from Nashville or Branson and go to the Elks Lodge in St. Peters for an afternoon of steel playing. If you give me you mailing address I will put
you on my mailing list and you will know when we do again. We had a show on December 12th.
I do have that master tape here somewhere but with all the shows, seminars and concerts I do all year long and with the regular business here at Scotty's Music it would be very difficult to take off and open the many boxes I
have in storage to try to find them. Maybe, someday when I retire, I will have the time to do that.
Regards, Scotty
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Dear Jon,
At one time I valued the Dead cassette as "I was the only one in the world that had it" but I gave up that idea when I made a copy for the fellow. I will look for it and if I am successful I will put a copy on DAT for you knowing that it is to be shared NOT SOLD.
It will be next month before I will have time to sit down and just think to where it might be. Remind me again in about 3 weeks as I may forget to look for it. Must be my age OR I just have so much on my mind with the many projects that I am involved in all the time!
Anyway, the quality of it may not be worth it anyway. It has been a long time since I listened to it. I used one microphone to pick up everybody so until you get the DAT let your imagination be your guide.
The only time I seen a mention of the Dead being at my store was in one of the guitar players magazine. And in the article there was a mention that I was deceased. Did you happen to see that article?
Sincerely,
Scotty
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Hi Jon,
Are you sitting down? I found the reel to reel recording of Jerry Garcia. It does have a lot of Jerry on it and Buddy Cage. Using one mic wasn't the best solution but it was all I had at the time.
I have a friend that is in the business of recording and he has the master reel to reel tape to see if he can improve on it. It will take up almost the full side of a 90 minute cassette. All in all, it might be exciting for a devout Dead fan.
Sincerely,
Scotty
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Jon,
I think my friend will probably transfer the reel to reel tape to CD. I can take it and record it on DAT. Let's wait and see what happens. I will be out of town now until Monday.
I have no conception of dates. Other people here at the store put it in the early 1970's.
More later.
Scotty
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Hi Jon,
Yes, the information you provided looks right. May 14th, 1970 etc.I will get back to you very soon as my guy is anxious to get a copy for himself as well.
Scotty
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Hi Jon,
WOW! I now have a CD for you. Give me your home address and I will mail it to you. If you live in the St. Louis area you can come by and pick it up. I haven't played it to see if it is any better than the reel to reel or the cassette but it doesn't matter one way or the other because it will have to do. Nothing else can be done that I know about to improve it and you are welcome to share it as planned.
Let me know by return email your decision to pick it up or have me mail it to you.
Thanks,
Scotty
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Hi Jon,
I'm glad that we finally got the recording to you. I am pleased that you will accept the sound and I hope that you enjoy it and that everyone you share it
with enjoy it.
Sincerely,
Scotty
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| Poster: | Judge TOOTMO | Date: | Oct 12, 2010 3:18pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
Are you kidding me? Can you imagine what this is/was sitting on? This guy has a treasure trove.
Those emails were almost ten years ago: has this guy found the time yet to search his "many, many boxes"?
Road trip, anyone?
TOOTMO
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| Poster: | light into ashes | Date: | Oct 12, 2010 8:44pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
Which I think is quite logical, considering it has both Jerry & Buddy Cage. When the Dead & NRPS came through St Louis in Oct '70 & March '71, Cage was not playing with them. Buddy Cage joined the New Riders during the November '71 tour, so he & Jerry would have been together on that tour. When the Dead returned to St Louis in Oct '72, I don't think NRPS was with them.
Apparently the recording is 48 minutes & this is one setlist:
Warm Up Jam
Dim Lights, Thick Smoke (And Loud, Loud Music)
Yakety Axe
Take Me Home Country Roads
How High The Moon
Long Black Veil
(Is Anybody Going To) San Antone
Instrumental
Seasons Of My Heart
The show is available on sugarmegs (under the New Riders), if you want to hear it.
(By the way, I think the Kiel Auditorium show Scotty talks about would have been 10/24/70, since I don't think Jerry would have had a pedal-steel with him on the '73 tour?)
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 13, 2010 6:17am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
It's kind of cool, and the sound quality is much better than I expected...
http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/NewRidersOfThePurpleSage1971-12-09ScottysMusicStoreStLouisMO.asx
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| Poster: | bbbrew | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 9:35am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
I put in a reseed request over at LL. With any luck...
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 11:09am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
http://www.archive.org/post/110736/cliff-hucker-seriously-non-dead
Good luck with the Scotty's set!
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| Poster: | bbbrew | Date: | Oct 16, 2010 9:04am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
Highly entertaining thread. Reminded me of a punk rock band I worked sound for briefly in the college years. They did a cover of country roads, rocky mnt. high, and a grandmas feather bed encore. The best part of the band was their name, JDA, John Denver's Airplane.;)
Thanks for the sugarmegs link, I missed that the other day.
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| Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 11:25am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 11:34am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
http://www.archive.org/post/111048/last-nights-re-cap-and-amp-penalty-minute-totals
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| Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Oct 12, 2010 7:09pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music - Int'l Steel Guitar Convention |
Bluegrass Alliance alumni and Monte (hiding) - Dec 14, 2008 - Bickel's place - Louisville, KY
the Bluegrass Hotel project getting hyped
Tony Rice, Curtis Burch, Dan Crary, J.D. Crowe, John Cowan, Sam Bush
That's how I wound up in St. Louis in 1976 on Labor Day Weekend at Scotty's steel guitar convention... with my tape deck, of course. The sound engineers there and myself had a pleasant chat about musicians, live music, taping, and sound equipment. I was guessing they were some of Nashville's best engineers. Then I told them I needed to tape some of this stuff, and I asked for a soundboard hookup for my Nakamichi tape deck. They were so damned honored that I had asked them that question, they started stumbling over each other to help me get the very best hookup any taper could ever want. That's when I went outside to my VW bug to smoke a few bowls and get my Nak. When I went back inside, the engineers had a special rig put together for me. It was a stereo soundboard feed into an external stereo Audio DA box (distribution amplifier). This stuff was setup on a small road case, next to the soundboard. They even provided me with my very own lighting rig on a goose-neck mount. I could actually "see" for once what I was doing when I taped, instead of fumbling around in the dark, taping secretly. All I had to do was get my AC power adapter plugged into an outlet. These are easily the most unique of my tapes that I ever put into circulation. btw, all my tapes are unique. To my surprise and great disappointment, Doug Jernigan wasn't there playing his pedal steel guitar that year. It was the incredible Hillbilly Jazz album that Jer's pal, Vassar Clements put out in 1974, that first introduced me to Doug Jernigan's phenomenal steel playing. That double-album, put out by Flying Fish Records, featured Vassar and Doug playing swing, jazz, country-blues, and rock-a-billy style music - the best renditions I ever heard. Miraculously, I happened to be living in Nashville in 1975 when Vassar's Hillbilly Jazz band played with Doug - for one weekend only, live at The Exit / In. I taped both nights. My tapes from Scotty's steel guitar convention remained unpublished until recently. I circulated them last year on Labor Day weekend. That's when I began peeking around to see what's up with Doug Jernigan. Vassar passed away in 2005. Doug is still playing. He's made recent appearances at Scotty's. So I bounced an e-mail over to Scotty - he's still alive. I don't remember him at all. I told Scotty to get my tapes, and I mentioned my Doug Jernigan / Vassar Clements' Hillbillly Jazz tapes also. Then Scotty sent me Doug's e-mail address. I e-mailed Doug and told him about my Hillbilly Jazz tapes with him and Vassar, and, my 1976 tapes at Scotty's steel guitar convention with Buddy Emmons, Curly Chalker, Jimmy Day, Lloyd Green, Wally Murphy.
Scotty and Doug Jernigan are most definitely thinking, WTF!! - who the hell is Monte Barry? lmao...
Track 3 is an instrumental named, "I Can See Clearly Now," during Lloyd Green's set. Near the end of it, Scotty gets recorded. The man is heard "coming out of his MC shoes." Funny as hell. If you ever wanted the next best thing to a "fly on the wall" about Jer and Scotty, there ya go. Now, close your eyes and try and imagine Scotty and Jer in 1970, 71, 72... (music fades up...) There's no doubt they were pretty good pals, at one point. This early vintage YouTube clip of Scotty's steel guitar convention has an old photo of Scotty's Music Store at the beginning. My documentation and material for everything listed above: the music, tapes, pics, YouTube clips, and my notes. Everything is on The Archive, easy to reach from my home page there: Monte the Taper archives
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| Poster: | Jim F | Date: | Oct 13, 2010 1:03am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
At any rate, I do have it, I think I grabbed it from Lossless Legs. Personally I believe it was from the time the Dead were here to play the Fox in December 1971. That is what I'm trying to confirm with Brad. I still have the show on my computer, would be happy to get it to you.
Here is the general info circulating with the recording.
Here's the note from James that came with the show:
Now, to the other goody I sent you. Here's the story on that. A friend of
mine who does sound and production work here in St. Louis was taking slide
guitar lessons and went through the archive of open reel tapes they had
there and found the one in question. He asked to borrow it and took it home
and did a 24 bit digital transfer from the mono 7" open reel. This hasn't
been heard by many more people than Brad, myself and a few others in 30
years!!! I was pretty damn excited about the discovery and glad that I was
only the second person that had heard it counting Brad after he mastered the
tape. As far as I know at this point it's Jerry Garcia, Buddy Cage and other
members of NRPS. Other than that that's all I know right now. The Grateful
Dead's archives don't even have this tape. Pretty fun stuff to listen too
even though it's a lot of noodling and such. I kinda like it myself.
Everything was plugged straight into the open reel deck. So the source would be:
7" mono open reel > 24 bit transfer > resample > CD-R
====================
My attempt at a setlist:
1. unknown (Garcia & Cage duet)
2. Runnin' Back To You ( G&C no vocal)
3. unknown (G&C)
4. noodle (G&C)
5. Take Me Home Country Roads (G&C Marmaduke and others on vocals)
6. jazz riff (Cage)
7. Long Black Veil (G&C McDuke on vocals)
8. Anybody Goin' To San Antone (G&C plus McDuke)
9. unknown (Jerry out? - he mentions having to get to hotel at the airport)
10. unknown
11. equipment fu
12. unknown
13. Seasons// (Weir on vocal)
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 13, 2010 6:15am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
I will ask Sean to send you my address!
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| Poster: | Jim F | Date: | Oct 14, 2010 10:37pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
I heard back from my guy, and he had a little more info, but not too much of anything new. Here is some of what he said...
I'm gonna talk to Scotty soon about the details again. I once wrote them down, but seem to have lost them. That jam at Scotty's was interesting, and Scotty remembers a few details. Most interestingly is the smokin hot lead guitar player. Scotty remembers his name I think. He was a Gibson rep out doing his midwest rounds and happened to be stopping thru St. Louis that day. He was there for the jam, and was totally unrelated to NRPS or Jerry. Cage on steel, Jerry grabbed a strat off the wall there, Weir, Dawson, maybe Nelson. I forget the recording method, but probably a few mics thru a mixer to a stereo reel to reel machine. I'll see what I can dig up on that. It really wasn't a performance as much as an impromptu jam. The Dead/NRPS were in town, and at that time Jerry no longer played steel with them, hence Cage's presence. A bunch of local hippie/deadheads found their way and crammed into Scottys for the little jam. Rick Rhamberg was there and recalls this Nashville Gibson rep guitarist all dudded out in his country getup and they didn't know who he was, but he sure could rip.
Scotty told me once about when Jerry bought a steel from him in '70, how his son Dewitt Jr. went down to the venue, probably the Fox, to deliver the steel and get paid. Jerry paid cash and insisted on paying full price, no deals. Dewitt Jr. said he was real young and a bit out of his element surrounded by hundreds of tripping hippies, carrying a fat wad of cash, and nervously got the hell out of there quickly. Scotty always liked and admired Jerry's humility and friendliness. Said he had a sincere love of the instrument and behaved with the highest integrity.
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At any rate, I'll be happy to get the recording to you. If you're a member on Lossless Legs I could hop on to seed, though my upload speeds here are capped at like 30kbps, so it might take a while. Either that or we could do a B+P or something. Just let me know.
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 6:09am |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
I will post my email sometime you are around, or perhaps someone you know already has it?
Or maybe Thomas can track this down for me?
Thanks and best!
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| Poster: | Jim F | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 3:04pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
jfeeherty@hotmail.com
Drop me a line and we'll work it out.
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| Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Oct 15, 2010 3:54pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
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| Poster: | yesss! | Date: | Oct 13, 2010 1:09pm |
| Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Scotty's Music Store Jam? |
